Bussin' With The Boys - Joey Logano On Being Coined as “Sliced Bread” & The Pressure Of Being A Childhood Prodigy

Episode Date: August 27, 2026

Recorded: August 25th 2026 |  Welcome back to another episode and unfortunately our last episode of the season of Racin’ With The Boys. With football starting up and the loaded football season we have, the boys are taking a break but, keep an eye out for season 2 👀. We decided to give you guys a banger of an episode for our last episode with Joey Logano.  The guys get right into all of the beefs that Joey has had throughout his career and which ones he may or may not regret. Then they get into what it was like being coined as the “chosen one” and given the nickname “Sliced Bread”. Joey gets into what the pressure was like being a childhood prodigy and the pressure that comes along with it. He also gets into what it was like taking over for Tony Stewart and what went wrong with the 20 team for him to eventually lose the ride.  Will and Taylor ask what the relief was like when Joey finally on his first championship in 2018. He said it felt like he was finally able to get the monkey off his back and how it felt like he was only really able to enjoy the feeling for 15 minutes before his mindset shifted to the next season. Joey also comments on the trend of him only winning the championship in even years and how he could only win in the old playoff format. He gets into how that comment bothers him and how he and is team are using it for motivation heading into this years playoffs. Keep an eye out for Joey during The Chase as it is an even year and his team is getting hot at the right time. Comment below who you guys would like ot see in season 2 and we will see you guys soon. As always, enjoy fellas.   0:00 Intro2:11 Joey's Long List Of On Track Beefs4:26 Being Coined As “Sliced Bread”7:18 The Pressure Of Being A Prodigy9:23 What Went Wrong At JGR And The 20 Car11:48 What Are The Intangibles In NASCAR?14:56 When Did He Realize He Was The Problem? 17:26 Joining Team Penske & Taking Over The 22 Car19:18 The Relief After Winning His First Championship 24:54 "The Chase"28:48 What Was The Turning Point Of This Season? 33:24 What Are The Grey Spots In The Rules Of NASCAR?40:32 Joey Had A Fake Birth Certificate???46:41 The Logano Family52:21 Joey's INSANE Car Collection1:12:37 The Boys Are Pro's On The Mic At NASCAR1:15:41 Joey Isn't Afraid To Throw Hands1:20:58 Thoughts On Carson Hocevar1:26:04 Bussin To Sponsor Joey??See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to Joey Laganum. Let's kick it off. Well, shall we, ladies and gentlemen, Mitchie, once I get the point for you all know that we're going. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Racing with the Boys. Our guest today is an individual who won a championship in 2018, 2022, and 2024.

This individual, actually hates odd numbers. He's loved to be hated by some of the fan base, but that's the stuff that absolutely fuels him. This man doesn't mind a little altercation when it comes to getting out of a race. He doesn't mind mixing it up with the boys a little bit. An individual is an absolute legend.

Give it up for Joey Lugano. Wow. Thank you, guys. Doesn't mind just absolutely shaking it up with the boys a little bit. We were reading. You've had a couple of legendary shakeups. I have. A couple of legends.

Is there one that comes to mind that you're like, hell yeah, that was 100% worth it? Um, gosh, you know, in the moment, they're all worth it. Uh-huh. And then later on, you sometimes wonder, especially like I got kids now. I got five kids. Five? Yeah.

We'll unpack that in a second. And they're like, yeah. I'm going to teach you about something called contraceptives. We'll get into that in a little bit. Yeah. It's a little like, yeah, do as I say, not as I do situation. Like the bad part is all lives on YouTube, right? So like, it just, it never goes away.

Yeah. You know, so the dumb things you did when you were a teenager or early 20s is now, there for life. But yeah, I mean, it's racing, right? I mean, it's part of it. Sometimes you get some altercations. You don't see eye to eye on things. And sometimes things escalate a little bit more than they probably should have.

Yeah, yeah. Do you even alter ego? Maybe. I'd say, when I get in a race car, maybe you guys are the same way when you play football. Like, you put your helmet on and you kind of switch gears. Like, you can be, I think, a normal person, joke around, have fun. you know, be lighthearted normally. But I think when it's game time, it's game time.

Like, you're out for blood. At that point, like, get out of the way. Like, I am here to win, and I have to do what I have to do to try to win. So I don't know. I think it's just part of being competitive. I think that's pretty normal. Do you have like, you call yourself anything? No.

Like, me, I like, in my head, I was calm nasty. You were calm nasty. You said that to yourself? teammates call me that in college, and I just, I've always kind of thought. And so you kind of went with it. As soon as you got the nickname, you're like, I'm going to roll with that. Come nasty. So you were calm, like, all the time?

Comp nasty. Yeah, we'll, you know, we'll copped during the, you know, during regular life. But then when the helmet came on, it was calm nasty. Nasty. Yeah. Or really be the gorilla. I like it. I like it.

I like it's my dad called me. Okay. It's depending on how I was feeling. It's like put the women and children in the bed. It's time to go die on this football field. I love that. Yeah, there was always a Saturdays or Sundays, whether you're in college or NFL. The thought process was always like, if I die,

today. Like, we're in a good spot. Like, this is a great day to end it all. You know? That's what you got to. That's the brainwashing that takes place when you're in football, right? Do you don't, you did you have any nicknames growing up or anything like that? Um, I did. I've been called a lot of things now, but, uh, sliced bread was the was the joke and like, you know, as a kid, like, that's like everyone had their little nicknames growing up. Mine just stuck with me and it never really went away. Because you did the coolest things in slice bread. It's the next best thing, right? That was because, so when I was growing up racing, I was supposed to be like the next like Jeff Gordon like I was supposed to be the the dog and um and my career kind of

went down before it went up right um but as a child I was coined as the next best thing since sliced bread and the slice bread thing kind of went for a while and it never really went away as a as a child and you're hearing like the nickname sliced bread everyone's like this is the next one like what does that pressure feel like how old are you when you first get that nickname yeah my 13 14 years old so yeah you're you're going through testosterone you're starting to get here unfamiliar places you're not knowing what's what and what's going on. I drink the Kulae. Yeah, I believe it. Absolutely.

As you should. Well, a lot of lessons learned on the whole thing, right? But I did. You know, and there's enough people telling you that you're great. Eventually you're going to start believing that. And, you know, for me, my career was the youngest to do about everything, right? I was always bump in my age, like just to get into the next league. Shoot, I had a fake burst of fear for a little bit that allowed me to go racing before I got

busted, but I raced above, like, where I should have been for a while. And so all this hype just kind of kept following me all the way until, you know, I signed at Joe Gibbs Racing when I was 15 to go race there and jumped right into now the O'Reilly series and was able to win my third race. So, like, it was all, like, coming to. There's even a commercial NASCAR put out about me moving to the cup level. Like, it was just about me. And so I believed all of it. Now, I finally got to the cup level, which is the dog. right the best of the best and i got my butt kicked for three years straight lost my job like was out was 21 years old wondering oh this is all i ever did my whole life i didn't have a backup plan all

the eggs were in racing like there's no other basket and uh and then just really by the grace of god the 22 car opened up back in you know what was that what year was that the shoot i remember what year 15, 16 years ago, or no, I guess it's like 14 years ago. The car opened up and I've been in the same car driving for Ford, driving for Shell for that long now. So it's just really been the same ever since. I've just been lucky to have a second chance, right? And once you go into something, you already, you've made the mistakes, you've learned who you are, you've learned where to be better and you can start with a fresh start and a new team. Gosh, that was, it was exactly what I needed. I didn't know I needed it, right?

Because at the time, I thought, oh, my gosh, my career is over. Yeah. But then everything kind of turned around just where it needed to. How was that for you mentally being on, you know, being put on such a pedestal? And then getting your ass for it for three years and like you're saying, you think your career's over. How was that for you mentally as you try to get back into it? Right. Like, I mean, it's one thing if you're an underdog, right?

If you're the underdog and you get your butt kicked, you're kind of like, well, I wasn't supposed to win anyways. But when you're the favorite going into whether it's a game or your career, like you're the, the prodigies. you, whatever it may be, the expectation is so high that you feel like you have let down everybody, right? Like not just yourself or your parents or like your team itself, your sponsors, like your fans, everyone's looking at you like you were supposed to be something and you were the best thing that never happened, right?

And that's the worst feeling. I mean, I'm sure this is just feeling's worse than that, obviously, but because in the green scheme of things, you're driving a race car, but- You put yourself on this pestle, you don't meet the mark and then that feeling that comes with it. And yeah, who's the fingers pointed at? There's only one person to point the finger at, right?

It's me. And yeah, this is just super challenging, right, to go through that. But you, like I said, you get a second chance. Not very often you get a second chance like I got, right? Like it really, honestly, the car opened up by chance. It wasn't supposed to be there. They were in a bind. Team Penske was and they needed, you know,

someone that was not going to do things that were like I didn't go out I don't go drink I don't do like I was focused on racing right that's like all I did and so it was very safe um for them to have me and the team needed to grow I needed to grow at the same rate it's not like when I started at Gibbs I jumped in the 20 car it was Tony Stewart's ride they won two championships they knew exactly how to do it and I was just to plug into that as a 19 year old and it just didn't work like that it just didn't mesh this was a team that boy they they were pretty pretty new fresh young team I was young I needed something that has that security and it just grew together and it's just been more natural that way what what about jumping in to Stewart's old car and it's like hey plug and

play you're supposed to be the next thing like what didn't go well for you in those first three years yeah well on paper on paper it was perfect right like my whole trajectory of my career, I moved up, got one immediately in the O'Reilly series. And then Tony was, you were the youngest. I was the youngest. Yeah. Bread category. Yeah, I was doing it.

And then Tony Stewart went to start his own race team. So he left, my whole plan was to run a full year of O'Reilly racing before I moved up. Well, I ran eight races and they're like, well, Tony's moving on. The 20 cars opened up. We're going to put you in it. And I'm like, yeah, I'm ready. Yeah, exactly. But already in the one series down, like one level down, I'm going to be great. Yeah, put me in.

I'll be great. And I didn't realize I sucked. Like I didn't realize everybody was so good. And for one, I didn't know how to lose. I never lost as a kid growing up. I just could show up and win. So I didn't have to work hard. That was the number one thing. It was a blessing and a curse. Because I was on one hand, had so much natural talent and was able to be in the car so much, it was enough to get me there. but it didn't teach me the mental side of sports that I needed, right? The mental toughness that you need to be successful in sports and how to deal with that type of pressure and deal with the loss, right? And how to get over it, move on, like learn from it, move on quickly.

I didn't know how to do all that. So it took me a couple of years to, for one, understand that it's not the car, it's me. Right? Like, and then starting to understand, okay, where is my weaknesses? and how do you build up any confidence, right? Like, if you get your butt kicked weekly, you start to show up to the racetrack thinking, okay, how am I going to get beat today, right?

Not how am I going to win today? The mental warfare that takes place between the years. Yes. It's big times. It's tough. And it's a slow growth to get to, you can't, I don't know how to do it. Maybe you guys can't, but I can't fake that in my mind.

I can't lie to myself on like, oh, I'm going to win today. Well, you finish 30 at the last three weeks, you know, Like what makes you think you're going to win? Like it's hard to believe that. But it's a slow growth to get to that point, I believe. No doubt. The delusion is very important. What like when you look at football, it's like the things you can't teach is like

high weight, speed, athletic ability, things that guys are just clearly born with. Like I'm tall. I was athletic. So I was, I had a step to be like, okay, if I do X, Y, and Z, I could probably make it to the NFL. Sure. As a racer and a casual viewer, it's like, okay, we're pressing a paddle. I don't know the intricate details of how to operate a car into with the bubble and the vortex and we've got the bumpers to the bumpers and making it moves.

We've learned a little bit. We've operated a little bit. What are they like the intangibles as a driver that made you slice bread that everyone was like this kid is the truth? He is winning every single time. Like what are the intangibles of NASCAR for a driver? For a driver to have. I mean, there's a natural speed part, right? and physically you don't is not like other sports where you size matters right like physically

size doesn't matter a whole bunch when you're driving a race car right and you look at I mean some guys are tall some I mean with Kyle Larson he's a shoe and he's pretty small guy right hilarious reference for any person is I don't want to grace by calling somebody a shoe that is a wheel man I don't know he's a driver uh and he's pretty dang good in other words so The size doesn't matter. I think there's a certain amount of God-given, like, just ability to feel the car and be able to adapt quickly and figure out where speed is. But I think a lot of our sport to get good at it, it's like you got to study it. You got to be a student of the sport.

You've got to be in the car a lot. You've got to be driving things all the time, no matter what it is. I think just driving, just that repetition is important. But nowadays, the little details is what separates everyone. Because once you get to the top, everybody's got a lot of talent. There's no one really standing out from each other. There might be a couple stand out or just God-given talent. But you can beat them by being smarter than them quite a bit.

And that's kind of my thing. Like, I feel like I got a decent amount of speed and decent amount of talent, but I feel like I can outsmart the majority of the drivers out there. by just knowing what's coming my way. I've done this for a long time now, so I got a lot of experience on my side too, but knowing what is coming my way next and understanding where the car is going to go over a long run

or the flow of the race, the strategy of the race, those type of things. That's where I can separate myself, right, or the pressure of the chase coming up here, right, in the next week or two. Like,

knowing all that's coming, that's like our moment to thrive. Like, that's how we've won our championships in the past. It hasn't been being the fastest car. We're very rarely the fastest car over a course of time, right? We don't typically win the most races in the season compared to others, but we show up when it matters.

We show up when the pressure's on. A team doesn't crack under that type of pressure, like the leadership side from our team. I feel like is what separates us from the field. Like that's our strength. That's the strength that we play into. And so this time of the year when the pressure's on, that's when the 22 typically shows up. That's got to be a great feeling. Going back, going back to when you alluded to the first couple of years, you realized it wasn't the car.

It was more yourself. When did you start to have a breakthrough moment where it was this conversation with yourself on? You're kind of seeing everything or you're blaming things externally where it all kind of went to shit. And then the come up started to happen again for you. When your teammates are kicking your ass. Like that's really what it is. Because your teammates have the same cars. They're built from the same shop

to right next to each other when they're being built. And there may be a little small differences, but you should run close to your teammates. And at the time, my teammates were Kyle Busch and Denny Hamlin, right? Both shoes. Yeah, yeah, both. A couple of shoes. A couple of shoes.

Yeah. And so I had a great benchmark there, but I wasn't even close. They were winning. I was finishing 20. Like it wasn't even in the ball game. And eventually I got to where, you know, I could run with them every now and again. You know, I won one race here and there.

Like I eventually started getting close, but it was too little too late. Yeah. You know, they already went out there and found another driver to replace me. And right when I started getting decent, I was told that I'm out. So I was like, oh, just I'm too late. And the options for me at that moment, I remember it was, uh, there is no cup option at Gibbs so I can run at the time it was a bushcar right so you can run which is the O'Reilly series now um so I can go down a level which gosh once you go down the chances

of going back up like you're already a marked man at that point yeah you're probably not going to um I had I had an opportunity to drive for for petty and at the time that was probably the direction I was going to go to stay in the cup level now their cars at the time and the cars are pretty good now but at the time, their cars weren't super fast. So you're like, I'm going to get in a lesser car. And that's not ideal either. But, and you're all, the whole time you're thinking as a child, all you want to do is win championships in the cup level.

Like, that's all I ever wanted to do. And I'm like, well, I'm taking a step back. This isn't, maybe it's not even going to happen. And then, like, I'm telling you, the 22 car opens up. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, middle of year, they're in a bind. They just lost your driver. And I'm the available guy.

The only one. Like, here I am. So there was no competition. By the grace of God, that's the only way it could have happened. This car opens up and there's not like a list of dudes that are like, there's me and one other. Who wasn't? Sam Hornish,

who Sam Hornish drove for Penske at the time and, and raced indie cars, had a relationship with them and all that. And so, you know, so it's kind of between the two of us. Was there like an interview process that took place? There was.

Yeah. Yeah, I met with. Clearly it went well. It went well. I met with Roger. I met with the leadership at Shell. and they liked me enough to do it.

Okay. I said the right things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Told them what they wanted to hear in the moment. I guess. And they took a chance on me, right? I mean, and I am so loyal and appreciative to both, Shelly and, and Ford. Ford was there too, but in Roger Penske, like, there's, that's my family.

Those are my people, right? Like, I am a very loyal person who is like, if you do that for me, you're in. Like, we're going to do this. to the end and it's been a real special time together. You know, the relationship I've built with Roger Penske over, you know, the last, like I said, almost 15 years to see just the way he operates, his business, whether it's the racing stuff or what you see, you know, with the Penske truck leasing going on the road or car dealerships. I just bought a Ford car dealership here recently.

And Roger's been teaching me how to run a dealership, right? Like those things have been so valuable, right? or even just seeing what the race they had around the Capitol in D.C. this weekend, right? Like that was Penske Entertainment putting that on. That's amazing. You know, so to see that they, if they're hands on that many things and you can learn from the absolute best, what else could you ask for? Like I said, like, it's how it all happened is just unbelievable how I've gotten to this point.

Yeah. And you talked about how this happened 14 years ago that Penske gives you the opportunity. Yeah. So we're sitting around the 2012. You didn't win your first championship until. 2018. What was the relief that took place when you won your first cup series? After everything that's taking place, your slice bread, then you're kicked to the curb, you know who you are, your whole life you've been racing, but now racing doesn't seem like

it's an option for you. You could go back down, but you never could come back up. Now you get an option. Get to recreate yourself. You get to recreate yourself six years later. So there's a whole lot more time that takes place. There was. And you win a cup series. How does that feel for you? Like, you were right. Like, hey, maybe I am sliced bread. Are we back to being sliced bread now? No, I refuse to ever drink the Kool-Aid again. You don't even eat bread anymore. You've been carbure out of since 2012.

Yeah, yeah. I refuse to think I'm that good. That's why I said earlier, like, I don't think I am that talented. So you're not a shoe? No, I mean, I'm somewhat half a shoe. He's a head of shoe, dude. She's as long as it's the right foot. I'm all right.

But I refuse to let myself ever go down that path again. Right. Because I feel like it was, like I said, a blessing and a curse who got me there, but it hurt my career, almost killed my career, right? to where it didn't happen. So I will never let my head get big again. Like that slice of humble pie is, it is burnt into my mind. And it was exactly what I needed, but I don't ever want to be there again.

Yeah. So that feeling is something I never let myself forget, no matter what kind of success we have on the racetrack. But yeah, I mean, throughout those years, yeah, there was signs of hope. We were starting to win races. We won four or five races consistently a year. We got close to winning championships. We came up a little short.

but there's no moment like your first championship. There's just, there's nothing like it. Because at that moment, you've finally proven that you can do it, right? Like there's, there's a lot of, you know, you came close, but didn't quite get there. But, you know, you can win because you got to the, you know, the Super Bowl, right? The championship for our final race. Like, you got there. That means you're good enough to do it.

Well, no, it doesn't mean you can do it until you actually do it. And that moment of crossing the start, finish line. Shoot, I remember like the last five laps. past Truex for the lead. And, you know, you just click and laps off. I had a pretty good size lead and you just like, you start shaking a little bit. Like, I remember my, well, you're like, I was nervous. My hands were shaking. My foot was shaking on the gas pedal. I'm like, geez, like, and you're just waiting for something to go wrong. You know, just get to the end of this freaking thing. And right, when you finally come off four and you see the checker flag, there is nothing like it.

Even to this day, right? Like getting married's really special, right? So have a, you have having kids really special. That's why a top moment for most people. It's a top moment. But it's a different. It's a different. It's different. It's different.

Anybody can get married. Anybody can get married if you think about it. Yes. Right? Everybody can get a checkered flag. On 10-down-4, yeah. It's just different categories in life, right? Like all of them are equally as special as where I was going with this.

Okay. But that's definitely now where you landed the plane. You know, I was going over here. We were headed towards BNA and we landed in Atlanta. I don't know where you were going. You guys went there. I was still flying. You were a parachute it out.

You guys took a different route on me. It's great. Kids are great, but coming around that turn and seeing that check. Well, it's just a different category. Yeah. And it's just, it was, you get out and you, like, it's weird in a race car because, you know, you win a football game. Everybody's right there, right?

Your team's right there. You're celebrating immediately together. In a race car, like, you're by yourself for a moment of time, right? You win. You're stoked. And you're like, come on. five and nobody there. You know, like, I got nothing.

So the moment of cross the line special, but when you get out of a car and you see everybody that fought with you, that's the best. Like that first 10 minutes is what you work for. Like that moment, and it's so hard to replicate, but that is the moment that you work for,

just for that feeling. Does it kind of suck for 10 minutes? How fleeting it is? How like short. 2019, yeah, yeah. Yeah, 2019. It's like, fuck, we got to go race. We got to do.

it again. Now it doesn't even matter. 2018 doesn't even matter anymore. You get 10 to 15 minutes of just pure greatness, awesome, pure emotion, can't even put it into words to describe it and it's over. And you're like, that's it. You know, but it was amazing and then if you immediately, you got to have it again. Like somehow you got to get it again. You is, so how long did it last year?

24 hours of the hype of winning a championship? I don't think it's even that, it's not even that long. Would you do that night? Did you cry? I cried in Victory Lane a little bit. I did. Yeah. Yeah.

That's good. Yeah. Cries awesome. I mean, it's happy tears. I mean, it's just amazing. Like, you know, it wasn't necessarily like, I didn't cry by myself, but it was when you saw people, right? Like I saw my wife or I saw my parents and it's like, because you know the grind that

they went through with you, right? Those are the people that you confide to, right? The people that you, at home after a bad race, they're the ones supporting you. So when you see those type of people that were with you and you. in the hardest moments, those are the ones that makes you break down a little bit more. You know what I mean? No doubt. That's human.

That's okay. That's 100% okay. Absolutely. Do you get after it pretty good that night? No. With the 9 p.m. No. That's how we got out of the track.

It's close to midnight. We drove up to, it was in Miami this year. Well, it is again this year too. But last year, or 2018 it was. So we drove up to Miami. The team was already getting after it by the time I got up there. That's awesome. Yeah.

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Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, aka the biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time, and no one gets mad at their publicists for letting them do our show.

We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, not that great. Actually, can you have to help? Can you help me shape this? How about we flip it on his head? How about we flip the script? What is the surprise woman? Actually, you think is the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird. Adam Scott.

This entire time, you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. I would never expect. I have. I would never set expectations for something like that to happen. It seems like you did. The universe allows for something like that to happen. I'm open to it. I'm always going to accept.

You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I could smell it walking down the hallway, to be honest with you. I was like, I was like, is that weed? Nope, it's fragile masculinity. Ben Stiller, no. Because a lot of times out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean?

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Start up the season pretty slow. You rattled off a couple of wins, I think two of the last four. We feel them pretty good. Feel much better. And it's the old format, right? It's the same format as 2018. No. That's right.

That was actually Will's comment, but I was just covering me right there. Everything else was good before, though, because that was my stuff. Is there a part of you feels like you got to, you know, not have to get this one, but kind of like, I want to get this one so badly because the other ones you want in the old playoff format. Where people kind of, they have their talking points of, yeah, but he was 15th. Right. Handled the elimination rounds, the best one, the championship match. Like, was he the best driver that year?

See, like, those things, those comments hurt me. If I mean, it's like, it gets. I basically just threw it at you. You did. But people do say that. And like, it happens at all sports, right? There's, there could, you can have a mediocre regular season. You get in the playoffs and you get on a hot run and you go win the championship.

Like, that happens. It happens in every sport. New York Giants, Eli Manning, taking down the undefeated Patriots. Right? Right. And does that mean they didn't deserve to win the championship? No. No, because they went and played by the rules.

They came from behind and they went in one. Yeah. They deserve it. Right? So in my opinion, that's how we've always done it. And but at the same time, kind of like, there's a bit of a chip on my shoulder. Yeah, I want to be like, you know what? That's fine.

We'll do it this way too. I'll show you. So that is our motivation to go out there and win this thing again. I think we got a good shot at it again this year. Cars are getting faster again. I don't know if I believe in the whole even year thing, but it does seem to be that way. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely a trend.

It's kind of fun to believe. This year, I believe it. Next year, I won't. This year, we'll jump on that bandwagon. And we'll give it a shot. But I do think we're from where we were two months ago to where we are now, it's like two months ago, we're hoping to make the chase, forget win the championship. Now it's like, okay, we're in a pretty good spot and we got speed.

We can see a path to winning this thing, which would be the comeback story of all time. It would be the middle finger to all the haters. Right. And that's, and that's, sorry, but I, that is my motivation a little bit. Like, I love our fans, but man, I love rubbing something in somebody's face when you think you can't do it, right? When someone said you can't, you're like, watch me. Yeah, that's what I need to hear. How often do you look at the comments and stuff like that to get that little extra boost of motivation?

Probably too much. Not that much. I honestly, I'm not on social media that much, but I hear it. I see it, you know, and fine. Like, I'm always. okay with it. I kind of like learn to love it a little bit because I don't I don't know exactly why sometimes people don't choose to like me, but I think a lot of times I just don't know who I am, right? Like I'm an aggressive. Again, back to the helmet on, helmet off. Helmet goes on. I'm pretty

aggressive. I'm going to go out there to win and you're out for blood and then take your helmet off and you're joking around, having a good time laughing. I think a lot of people don't understand how that's possible. Like how can you be two different people? Yeah. But it's just who I am. And that That's what it is. So I don't let people get under my skin too much from attacking me personally, from who I am, because I know who I am, but from attacking what a championship means

and that my team doesn't deserve it, that pisses me right off. Yeah, now like that's what makes me angry. Well, the haters can say whatever they want. At the end of the day, like your Wikipedia is gonna say champion in these specific years and those aren't. So that's how this is all gonna operate.

I'm sure it would be amazing to have this 2026, new format or the battlefield format and everything. What do you feel like changed over the last couple months internally like with your team? Because again, you go half the regular season, winless. You've rattled off the, you know, two out of the last four. What do you feel like changed internally with your squad? Well, honestly, internally, the people haven't changed, right? It's the same team that's won the championship, you know, a couple years ago. So, and it's the same team that struggled earlier this year. And it's the same team that's riding away right now. So I think the fact that we've stuck together is good.

Now there's been hard conversations in there of, right, how do we become better? Like, it was embarrassing where we were in points and the way we were running. Like, it's not who we are. And again, what do you look at it first internally? You look at yourself. Okay, where am I off? Where am I struggling? How can anyone help me get to where I need to be, right?

And how can I help myself, obviously? And then where's the other weaknesses on the team? Where else are we struggling to do things? And so there was some things identified. There was some work that was done. And there's just slow little things that showed up, right? And it eventually started building a little bit of momentum. Over the last, sure the last four races looks spectacular.

But really, you go back a couple months. It's like you can start to see the trend. Like it started to be the slow climb back up. It's like an example of one of the small things that started to show up. Yeah, it was like one specific thing. I mean speed fixes most of it, right? Just being faster. Yeah, but you say speed.

Exactly. People talk about speed all the time. You're in that, like in my brain or viewers' brains that are similar to us. Like, you're in a NASCAR. Like, you guys all got the speed. Like we call them stock cars, but they're not really stock. There's not the stock about it. Yeah.

Yeah. I think there's multiple things, right? There's some gains that we've made as a team set up wise that has made sense on the racetrack. like just getting the car to drive the way I want it to where I feel I think those are good. NASCAR is started to- Does that become a point of contention on whether it's something with the equipment of the car? It just starts- Where you're like, I would like for it to be this way and somebody sees it differently? Um, no, no. Uh, it's just finally like we hit on something. Like, you keep changing things to the car and it's like all of a sudden, oh, there's something that

makes sense. I like that. How can we apply that other tracks? How can we start applying that in different ways? And all of a sudden, that started growing. So I think that's part of it. Um, NASCAR started enforcing a new rule with the front splitter, which I think some other teams were taking more advantage of than we were. And that's part of NASCAR racing is how far are you willing to push a lot of things? And, you know, I've been a part of the bad end of it when you get in trouble for the stuff. It's really bad.

So you can't afford to push these things and get your, like, you can't get in trouble anymore. The brands are too big around you. It's just you can't do that type of stuff. And some teams are willing to take more risk. And the more risk you take, the faster your car is going to go, right? The higher chance you're going to get in trouble, right, if you ever get caught. I think there is some things going on that were a little bit past what our comfort zone is.

And those things came back. NASCAR started changing some of the rules enforcing some of the things that people are taking advantage of. And it came back to us. I think some of those things are back. We're talking about PEDs and PEDs. We're talking about raising something like that. We're playing with the line a little bit. Yeah.

Let's get this little bit of testosterone in some of their cars. The levels weren't matching up to the drug test. I don't know how many rules are in the rulebook, but think about how many parts are on a race car, right? Like, it's a lot, it's when you're playing football, there's not many things you can mess with, right? Like outside of the human body, maybe, I don't know if you guys have any rules with pads and shoes and football. Yeah, sure, the pressure in the football, sure. Like, that's a pretty big one. But, like, outside of that, that's all you guys had.

A race car has got thousands of parts on it. And you can start to find a competitive edge on every single one of those parts if you want to, right? And the teams will, they will try to find a little bit of it. So each time some teams push us a little bit, they are there, NASCAR will come up with a new rule to bring that back. So, okay, hell, we never thought that can happen. Well, let's make a rule to make sure that, you know, because that's what the teams are paid to do.

They're paid to try to come up with things that makes their car faster than the next one. Find the gray area. Brian the grays and the rule. And so. Right. So then eventually becomes black and white instead of gray. Yeah. And then you can't do that anymore.

And I think some of those things have brought back some of the cars that were going really, really fast and brought them to us a little bit with our cars actually getting better at the same time. And now we're here. What are, um, what were some gray areas? You don't say cars, but things that were taking place that people were doing with their cars that maybe we're within the framework or the rules that NASCAR changed this year. Or like say, do you use an example back in the day if you want to. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean. So we're not. Where do you want to start? There's so many. Here recently it's been just a lot of the nose flexing stuff. Is this how much a nose traveled on the racetrack from what the tech heights are? Okay, well, let's, hold on.

That's all those are, that's really cool what you just said. I'm going to walk away from that and be like, that was badass. I didn't, I don't know what that means, though. So nose flexing. So like the nose, a splitter, all that whole piece is set at a height that NASCAR mandates it has to be at to start. Okay. When you get on the racetrack, there's obviously a lot air movement.

around a lot of down force a lot of pressure and things will move under that under those conditions and so noses were probably dropping more than others right because now there's struts there to hold it up in other words so then that doesn't happen as much anymore so some teams can maybe be a little bit more aggressive with letting it flex more some teams bodies themselves may just flex more like a Chevy versus a Ford versus a Toyota like all those can be different Right, so then some might be getting a little better, you know, better advantage on that than others. Well, when they put a strut in there, it holds everything up. Now all that, that game's gone.

Right. So now that where we felt like, well, you're probably a little behind there is come back to us. You don't know exactly what your competitors have. It's not like they let you crawl underneath their car and look at it. You know what I mean? But you kind of assume like, okay, and then seeing after that, like, okay, things are starting to, we're in the game all of a sudden after that. Like, you're like, all right, they must have been pushing this a little bit more

than us because now we're in the game before we're running 20th. Now we're running, you know, fifth or tenth can win in certain scenarios on the faster tracks that we were behind. Like, okay, we're in the game now. So that was probably the more recent one. But there's those games are, it's every week. Like that is constant in our sport that our sports kind of built off of that. Like NASCAR racing back in the day, right?

When things started when it was a stock car that people bought from the dealers. ship showroom floor and then put a cage in and made him race cars there there wasn't any rules right there was barely any rules now like think about it over the course of what 75 plus years now you have thousands of rules because everyone just keeps finding the next thing yeah yeah that's interesting it is it really is interesting man like having the height correct but it seemed like the black and white was adding the strut. Pretty much. I mean, it was black and white before, but it's kind of like, okay, on the racetrack when

it moves. But yeah, when everybody's going, everybody's flying. Yeah, exactly. So that stuff just changes. What's under that hood? What's it going on in the car? Are there people, like, official, like NASCAR officials who go and like look at all the cars before the race to make sure everyone's up to speed?

Yes. How was the latest time they go like, do the cars have to be like in pit row? Like National Anthem takes place in 15 minutes. We got our guys all looking at it. So the way it works right now is so the cars will unload out of the, the trailer, they all roll through tech. So what happens first is they put up on jacks there'll be officials that come by, look at the cars. They'll look at whatever they want to look at that weekend. It's hard to inspect every piece of this thing, right? Because there's so many parts

and there's 40 cars. So they'll go through that. Then they'll put the cars down to roll through scales. And then they have a system called the, they call it the Hawkeye. I think NASCAR might call it something different, but we call it the Hawkeye, where it scans the whole body. So you put it in this tent and it takes big picture of the car and it measures the car, the body itself. And so all of it has to be within tolerance of what NASCAR mandates. So if you don't make it, go around, you're out. Like you're out, go back around, adjust your car to make it fit, and then you try again. Right. So you only get a really get a couple tries at that. to make it right.

So all that happens before the cars even get on the race track. Then we have practice. We qualify right after. And then after you're done qualifying, they put the cars in the garage. No one's allowed to touch them. And then the next morning,

you can make quick adjustments to your car, which is just like heights and wedge and sway bar arms. Like you can't do a whole bunch. We can do some like fine-tuning things, but you can't, that's it. And there's an official watching every move that you guys make.

Roll the cars on the grid and that's it. in your race. Then afterwards, you know, they take the top three cars and they really tear them apart. That's when they like, it's much more in depth at that point. So like after a race win,

it's a couple hours of tearing the car apart where like the car just be in a bunch of pieces. I just look at literally everything. They're trying to. Yeah, yeah, they're making, and then that's their job. And the teams appreciate that. And as a driver, I appreciate that too

because you want a level playing field. That's all you want, right? Like you don't want to race against. somebody that's cheating their butt off over here, but you cannot possibly be because they are cheating, straight up cheating, right? Pushing the rules, I'm with you. That's part of our sport. And you should be trying to find the very edge, right?

But, you know, as far as straight up going too far, you know, NASCAR's done a good job at it lately. They've done a good job at raining in. And they've put some big penalties on people. That's what's done it, right? It's like you're going to slap our hands or you're going to put us in the ground. Which one is it? And they have made the penalties so large that there, I don't think there's many teams at all at this point that are doing things that they shouldn't be doing, in my opinion.

What are the penalties? De Niro. There's, so points, so it's points of money or the penalties. Right? And the points are probably the most valuable thing. I mean, money is real. But the points that you can lose from some of the stuff is like more than a race. worths of points of like win worth the points like it can take a few weeks to make up to just get

back to zero on some of these things so yeah it really pushes everyone back quite a bit so yeah you're with an iron fist I'm going to do anything yeah exactly a massive controversy that's taking place in recent years about car people messing with cars a little too much or is it not anymore for a while not anymore it was there was that going on now it's just kind of come back a lot what about in the O'Reilly series or some of these other these smaller series, is there more like Tom Fuller were taking place? And those are they maybe not as governed as much? I don't, I can't honestly tell you without speculating a little bit. Yeah, fair. But I think there's a little more grace over there with the cars and they can push things a little bit further. I think, but I don't

really know that for sure. Did you do some Tom Fullery back in the day? I mean, everyone did a little What's the thing? Yeah, I went a little bit. What's the sketchiest thing you've done in your erasing career? Not with the Cup series. Maybe as a young lad. But, okay, first. Actually, hey, put that, put a, put a bookmark on that.

Let's go back to this fake birth certificate. Yeah. That's got to be the one, right? Yeah. How old were you when you, is your mom or your dad? This is my dad. This is my dad. 12 of the 20 spot.

My dad is my dad's a wide open guy. And so, like, we just, my father had a garbage company. company up in Connecticut. I always, that's where I started to race. That's where I'm from. And then when we, he sold his garbage company and he just focused on going racing with me for the next like 10 years. And we had a freaking blast together. It was so much fun. We just went racing. He didn't ever race. You know what the heck he was doing. I don't know what I was doing. We just drive race cards and have a good time. And so we were so focused on it, though, because that's all we did. I was homeschooled. Really, all I did is race. That was it.

it. And so I was progressing pretty quickly because the amount of time I was doing it. And it got to the point like, my father believed that you're only as good as your competition. So as soon as I started winning at something, it was move up, time to move up, time to move up. And eventually you're bumped up against your age because you can't move up until you get a certain age. And I wanted to race these cars are called legend's cars. And there were some tracks that let me race, but the majority would not. And so when I turned, when I turned 10, I turned 12 one year. Oh, no way. We had a guy on the inside that ran the series and we're like, hey, we're going to, he was like, you know, send a new burst to get in and we'll just dump it in your file. All right, sounds good. So we

doctor it up and send it up there. And it worked for quite a few races. Ran like, I don't know, seven or eight races. And then I remember we drove, I remember like yesterday, we drove up to Charlotte, we got all our stuff we were ready to go racing. They're like,

yeah, you're not racing today. I'm like, what do you mean? And you're like, you're only 10. What do you mean? They come out, there's two birth certificates. He didn't take the old one out of the file.

So he had the new one and the old one. We're like, oh. Was there a penalty that took place there? Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, that's right there. Yeah, that's something like that. So,

so you're right. It was the opposite of that. That is hilarious. Your dad is from Connecticut. You're family group in Connecticut. Yeah. Northeast guy. Your dad had a waste management company.

Yeah. Yeah. He sold it to waste management. Yeah. He has this waste management. Yeah. Last name, Lagano? Yes, sir.

Hard-nosed dad? Yeah, he's pretty tough guy. Yeah. Sounds like a very similar storyline to a man named Tony Soprano who had a waste management company. What were we doing back there, huh? It's hauling trash. Just hauling trash? Okay, man.

All good, just something to think about. He had a guy on the inside. He had a guy on the inside. Dad would just come home late at night with the baseball bat in the back of the truck. Hey, well, you're going to race tomorrow. You're going to get it done. It wasn't like that. No, we had fun together.

We had a good time. Like, he was, my dad was a great dad. We had a blast together. And it was cool because, I mean, he's a very competitive person, right? And, like, I mean, to build a business like he did, like he was, he's an all-in kind of guy. And I think that's what, I mean, Like one of the biggest things I learned from it was just if you're going to do it, you do it all the way. And when he stopped his company and he focused just on racing, it was just like that.

Like we took it pretty seriously. You know, sure, we had fun and we had, you know, it was memories that I'll have the rest of my life. Probably my favorite memories of racing my whole life is probably when I was a kid. That's probably the best times, right? Because it's not a job then. You're just doing it for fun, right? Love it. Right.

And when you get to pros, there's a lot of pressure on you. Right. There's a lot of people relying on you. Friday night lights. Friday nights are the best playing on Fridays in high school. Yeah, exactly. So that was my Friday night lights, right? So those moments are always being my favorites.

I love that. What you don't? What are you doing? You look at the birth certificate? There was some of that. Yeah, fuck. Goes up smacks the doctor and what are you fucking thinking, huh? I'm going to talk later.

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that's how I would frame it as well. Yeah, they're all, well, we're fostering to, hoping to adopt. That's awesome. And then we have three biologicals. Gotcha. So we're in the, my wife's a superhero. My wife is a freaking dog.

I don't know how she can handle all that. She's doing it right now, as I'm saying, sitting here, right, talking to you guys in a school bus and she's got five kids at home. But it's, yeah, she's been great. It's been, you know, fostering is something that's been in, it's been in her family, her whole life, obviously, but also, you know, my father was adopted, too. So it's been something that's been special to us. You know, our foundation has supported foster care for the last, you know, 10 years, 10 plus years. And eventually is, you know, we've kept trying to say no that we're not ready for it, right? Life's busy. We already have three kids. How are we going to

do it? And eventually, you know, if you talk to talk enough, you got to walk to walk. And the math and foster care right now is not good, right? The amount of foster kids versus homes is not even close. So we felt like, you know, God told us to, we need to do this. And it's been great. You know, it's been challenging, maybe a little, a little more at times. than we thought and sometimes maybe a little easier than we thought, but it's been very rewarding and fun to see everyone coexisting together and living at home. It's been good, yeah, it's been a lot of fun. Do you have any future racers? That's about, yeah. Which one's the best, dude? Which one has it? Which one slice bread? My oldest son, Hudson, he has the talent if he wants to do it, but he doesn't

seem like he wants to race. He just wants to ride quads and dirt bikes at home right now. And I'm okay with that because honestly it's all I like when I grew up that's all I did. It was every day I got on my quad and I would ride until the sun went down and he's very similar that way. But I said, well, why don't we race? He's like, I don't want to race. I'm like, okay. And I don't want to push him either because I don't want to. Buddy, did you see this birth certificate I made you? Yeah, yeah. I don't want to rob the fun out of it for him. Yeah. And I have a blast just riding with him at home. You know, like he's he's quick. Like I mean, it's it's to the point now that we can like really race and kind of honestly be a little pissed off each other at times because it's

like you start pushing each other around a little bit but it's pretty fun it's been it's been a good time is he like a big into like nitro circus and stuff like that or is you more to say about tracks he mainly likes just racing part of it but like he's a big NBA fan and he plays on his basketball team and that's like that's what he wants to do competitively he wants to be an NBA player I'm like okay I'm like dad can't help you much with that I don't know much about that basketball, but let's do it. Like, you know, I'm not going to change. I don't want to ever force anything on him, right? I just, I tell him, whatever you, and I tell all my kids, this, whatever you choose to be, try to be the best in the world at it. It doesn't matter what

it is. It doesn't have to be sports. It can be, I don't, like, my father, he was a great garbage man, and he made a great life for himself, right? Like, whatever it is, if you become the best at it, you're going to be pretty dang successful. Just try to be the best at whatever that is. Yeah, with your oldest Is there another kid that has like the passion For racing that sees what their dad does And I go, I really want to do this Not at the moment

Yeah Not at the moment, no Is it hard for you when you have a kid that you see the talent You're like, I kind of want to push him towards this a little bit more But you also want to keep the fun in the game It's probably a balancing act that takes place It is It is

But I'm okay I'm okay with it Yeah It doesn't like I don't ever want to push my kids into something And because it's different for him racing. I think this is something that holds him up, I think. He hasn't told me this directly, but I kind of feel it.

We have gone racing a couple times before. And when I went racing as a kid, I was Joey Ligano, Tom Ligano's son with the garbage company down the red. No one thought twice about it. But when Hudson wants to go racing or any other because I want to go racing, it's Joey Ligano NASCAR Champions Child. And you're supposed to be great because. you're, I don't know, you have a better car than everybody.

You have more talent. You have a better coach. You have like, you're supposed to be great. So there's a lot of pressure. And no matter what, they don't deserve it because they're seven, eight years old, whatever they may be. That haven't done it anymore in the next kid, but they are coming with all this height. Right. And it's just part of it, right?

Like if your kids want to play football, it's just supposed to be better than everybody else. Because genetically, they're better and they got a better coach and they know what to do and all those things that should be better. but that's not fair it's still a kid right anyway you look at it's still still a kid so i don't push him for that reason like the times we did go race and said okay it's a go-kart we're not showing up with the trailer and all this fancy stuff we're showing at the back of this pickup truck we got a bag full of tools we're going to park in the back we're going to put duct tape numbers on this thing and we're going to roll up there like and try to just be under the radar as much as possible it didn't work but tried to do it that way.

And yeah, I mean, he just, he just didn't seem to be into it that much at the time. But you never know. Things changed. Did he win? Yeah. No, no. He finished like third or fourth. He did, he did good.

But yeah, he wasn't really, not quite yet. That's all right. You got time. It sounds like you got time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's plenty of time. Yeah.

Yeah. And if he doesn't, like I can say, he does, he does have the love of cars, though. There's no doubt on that, like, I mean, like, a huge car guy. Like, that's just, that's my hobby. You have a crazy collection. right? Yeah. What do you have? Hey, how many cars do you have? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. 30, 40, something like that. There's a lot of cars in there. I'm a big Ford guy. So what's your, what's your, like, your crown jewel car that you're just like, I love this. This is my, I will never sell this. So probably both ends as a spectrum. So I have a 24, 1924, 1924, I need to say that now. Ford, is that this?

There it is. That's my Model T. Yeah. Love driving that car. You like driving that? I do. It's fully original and I like it just because it's, for one, it's cool to see how far we've come in 100 years, like from just the evolution of the vehicle.

I think that's really neat to see. And the other thing, no one's ever going to steal it because you got a hand crank it and no one knows how to drive it. Yeah. But it's fun that I put the kids in it and we go cruise around. And then I just got the new Mustang GTD, which is the new, the newest hot rod that got. Pull that up, pull that up, Maddie.

That thing is. GT. Yeah, it is. I know about the GT. So freaking. I don't know they had a new letter. Oh, yeah, that's the Mustang part. So the Ford GT was, was, was been, it's been out.

Then they stopped production of that. And now the GTD is the, uh, the new hot rod that Ford's got. And so yeah, that's that sucker right there. Oh, that's awesome. So it is ridiculously fast. 800 plus horsepower big old tires big ceramic brakes on it it's just carbon brakes on it it is what color is awesome uh i got it so all my almost all my cars are gray

with like a matte black stripe so that's so it's similar to that's the forward way i like i like everything looking the same it's the 22nd one built um so i drive the 22 and so um so these cars were so this car and the four gt when they came out, they put a, you have to apply to buy the car. Because everybody wanted to get one and they still do. And so as a Ford driver, you get a little extra bump on the list. You got a guy on the inside. I got the inside.

It's like, you get me a VIN 22. So I got VIN 22 of the GT. That's old Tom Lugano coming out of you right there. I know a guy. Yeah, so. Those two cars, I don't want to get rid of either one of those because they're like, they're special, the 22nd ones. There's like, talk about the cool.

coolest thing to hand down to your grandkids someday. Wouldn't that be the coolest thing? Like, this is dad's car. And what that thing's going to be like about by then? Oh my gosh. It's going to be the coolest freaking thing in the world. Yeah. You don't strike me as a guy that's going to let that thing rust or anything like that.

Oh, no. I take care of them. Like a warehouse that houses all these things? I have a building by my house and I just, yeah, I drive a different car all the time. I just want to drive different stuff. So, um, I'd tell you, I recent, so recently I bought a into Hundreds of Ford in North Carolina. Now, Joey Legano was Huntersville Ford. Anyways, for a car guy, coolest thing ever, because you just grab the keys and like, I want to drive one of these

things. Take the keys and take it for a run. That's awesome. Coolest thing in the world. So is there a car guy? That's the way to go. Is there a car that you got that you're like, ah, you know, I have it, but I don't know. Then you got it and you're like, oh, I actually was there a car you fell in love with after you bought it as opposed to just loving it and going right away? Um, what's a sleeper car in your collection is basically? for what I'm asking. A sleeper? Most of them have like some kind of meaning to them.

Like I'm a big fan of cars that like I either grew up with or around or something like that. That's really special. I tell you what the coolest thing is getting delivered this week. And I have kind of excited to see. It's called a water car. So this is a it's a boat car basically. So it's a boat that has wheels on it. And you dive it.

It's a duck boat. Okay. Yeah, so there's a water car. What in the James Bond is going on here? Not that one. So I used to have the Jeep version one that looked like a Jeep. And now I just ordered a one to the, yeah, that's what I used to have. I sold that.

I used to drive that all the time. That's super cool. And now I got the one that looks like a boat. The one to the left. That's the new ride coming in. That's coming in this week. I'm pretty stoked about that. So you just pull up to the dog.

He just pull right up to the boat ramp. Boom. Drive it right in. And then the wheels like come up. The wheels come up. You drop the motor in and see you later. Cool, right? That is kind of cool.

Yeah. What kind of horsepower are we talking about with that thing? How much is something like that cost? I think they're like, I think they're 150-ish. Sounds like a guy that didn't pay for it. Sounds like a guy that didn't instruct their check. I got a deal on it. I think there may be a little bit more, but I did get a deal on it.

But yeah, they're cool. So they're on electric. the wheels are on an electric motor so it's kind of like a golf cart if you will like a faster one larger one and then yeah when you pull in the water it's got the outward motor and wheels

pull up and off you go then you can the wheels pull up you can tow it as a trailer too you can put like a trailer attachment in the front and then the front wheels pull up and then you can tow it like that with the rear wheels now it's pretty sick no doubt I'm pretty excited about this one what's the dumbest thing you spent your money this is probably yeah this is probably

it sounds like you didn't spend you got a good deal I love that. Yeah, but that's probably it. What's the worst purchase? Doesn't have to be a car you made in your very long career. You know, there's no dumb purchase of wheels on it. No way. That's literally the opposite of what people say.

Yeah, I don't believe that. Floats, flies, or something else. Elyssie, you don't buy it. Other people's words, not ours. Sure. I've heard that before. But, I mean, cars are worth it. Cars are cool, man. I tell my wife their investments.

I don't know. Yeah. You buy the right ones they can be. No doubt. At what point does your wife kind of step in and like, hey, hey. We have five kids. You got 30 of them out there. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm okay. I'm not that crazy. I like I like the game of buying and selling and flipping them and jiving different things. I don't have. Your wife hearing you say, I'm not that crazy. How would she react? She'd probably roll her eyes a little bit. Yeah.

Not that bad. But see, what does help, though. is now my kids are in, well, at least my oldest kid, is into the vehicles too. So now it's like our thing. Now you found the loophole. Exactly. Exactly. Is there a car that's gone up so much in value, you can point to that if she ever complains

about anything? Yes. Yeah. The four GT. Yeah. The GT is the one in four first Ferrari, correct? Yes, but this is the newer version one. Yeah.

What value are we talking about? How much? How much is going? It's worth like 1.2, 1.3 right now. And I bought it for 400. So it's gone up significantly. So that one has paid for all my done decisions. Right.

So that's how your brain works. There was no mistake because of this one. That's how an addict talks. Yeah. Exactly. Now, did it skyrocketed value? That car is so badass. That's the one win.

I look at that car and I'm like, dude, I would love to have that car. Now, does it skyrocket and value because the movie? No. No. No, not because, well, I mean, the heritage of what that is is obviously one piece of it because of the movie you've seen the movie. But when Ford came back out with this, they went back to Lamah kind of relived that movie again. They went back there and won with this car. So not that particular car, but DGT.

Yeah, awesome. Okay, good. Yeah. Yeah. We have like a weird running bit where like the movies will be brought up all the time and Will has not seen him like Animal House. and I think it was one speed the other day. Yeah. There's just like a lot of like cult classic movies that Will hasn't seen.

Yeah. But Ford versus Fryer is one. That's a good one. I love that movie. Yes. Because I was going to think too, it seems like if it was the movie that spiked the price, you got to start building out this production company

and just make movies about the cars that you have. Yeah. You basically Logan Paul. What you want. That's smart. But this car dude, I think it's so awesome. But with my height,

there's like, I would never, a million years you wouldn't fit in that car. It's tight for me. Yeah. And it's like, that's kind of just gone out of my brain. I'll never, oh, yeah. Yeah.

I'm a zoo animal, dude. The Mustang's better for you. I don't know. I hate even bringing this up. I'm building a Mustang. Yes. Why do you hate bringing this up? This is what I want to talk about.

When I started to build this Mustang in 2022, I asked the guy, and I'm not going to say his name because I'm actually really pissed off at him right now. This would be a good time to call him out now. Yeah. How long until this car is bill? He said 10 months. I said in 2020. 22.

Paid. I was like, how much is this car going to cost? He goes, high end this much ago. Okay, that's how much I'm going to get you right now. Give me your wiring information. I wired him. Pay for the car in full. And Taylor, we're in the locker room together.

He's showing me photos. Oh, no. Yes. It's going to be done in 10 months. It's like custom wheel wells or the tires are real big. What is it? It's a 1970 fastback. Yeah.

It's kind of a coyote in it. Oh, yeah. We had a custom. I think a roadster chassis. Like everything's like custom. I'm so fired up. It's 2026. And actually this,

morning he texted me he's like hey this is going to get done blah blah in two weeks ago you told me september 10th and you're telling me now that in two weeks you're going to get back for it to get painted and it's going to be a few more months like why am i just learning about this now and i literally just went off on about it when the car is done i'm going to be juiced about it but the process in which it goes down is just just brutal dude it's just like yeah we're four years later i hate i didn't even close yeah not yeah in this this story happens more than you think. And I hate, like, I'm into restoring cars and doing things like that.

You hear these stories so many times of people get. See, the Mustang is sick. Yeah, it is cool. You said it's a 70, right? It's a 70 fastback, yeah. I have a 71, so it has a little longer back on it. But yeah, that model year looks really, really good. It's super sharp.

And the wheel wells that come out, like the tires in the back are like, yeah. Did you put a supercharger on it? Yes. You damn right. All right. Now you're cool. All right, we'll take it. There you go.

Now we're talking. But yeah, dude, I'm old school Ford with it too where it's like I can have any color I want as long as it's black. So it's like it will be black. Yes. It's like nothing crazy. Like the body of the car itself to me,

that's telling, that's the badassness of it. Yes. I don't need to go, because I've never been like a, you're going to love it. The fast and the furious type of like highlighter colors. I've never been into that.

But like a sharp looking black Mustang. American muscle. Awesome. I don't. I do. I messed with it. So once this car's on, maybe the best thing to come out of my love for cars is starting racing with the boys because

now I feel like if I ever do this again, I have a lot of... You have way more connections. Yes. In Charlotte to be like, I'm going to build a car out there. That might be my next time, would you? Yeah, absolutely. Seems like you are the guy, actually. I probably am.

Do you do custom builds at all or do you have custom builds done for you? We do. So you have one. Yeah, yeah, we do some of it at our dealership. We do a lot of custom builds at our dealership, like a lot of them. A lot of new stuff. some older cars as well, the restoring stuff.

But that stuff's, that's my passion. That's what I love doing. You're my new plug, dude. Yeah, you love seeing like, okay, there's a stock car.

It's really cool, obviously. Like, you can think a Bronco or an F-150 or whatever, a Mustang. And they're like, they're cool to start.

That's just a cool start, but you want to make it unique and make it your own a little bit, right? And everyone has their way of doing it and their style, right? Like, your style sounds similar to mine or most of my cars are black and maybe a silver stripe,

but they're darker and they all look cool the same. Some people like the super, to your point, highlighter colors that are bright and out there. And I don't know, that's cool too. Like, we like building that type of stuff too. Are you familiar with these? What about the, the lobo trucks right now?

Do you like the lowered, like the lowered, like the lowered F-150s right now? Bags ones? Trucks. They're not even on bags, but just lowered like a sport truck. I actually have a 77 F-100 that is lowered, like where the wheel and the wheel well sit, like right in the fence, like nice and flush. And I like that street truck look a lot.

Yeah, yeah. But the older I get and like the Raptor you saw sitting out there, like I love, like if I'm doing a modern car, it's a two inch lift, it's 38s, it's 22s. And just that to me with a stance where it comes out like an inch and a half to two inches. To me, that's like the perfect look to a new, like to a newer modern car. Yeah. But now I'm seeing myself with the old cars like the, the bull noses. What is it? What is like?

It's like a 74 and I might be getting over my seats. I don't think it might be a Ford. But they have like bull nose. where the front end is like more protruding out and it kind of comes down like this little bit. Okay. Yeah. And I think those old like ranch trucks are awesome with a good lifting good tires on.

What about like a newer lowered truck? That's not my speed. That's not your style. That's not your style. That's not my speed right there. No, I like all the power to do it. Yeah. And I've had a lot of trucks pull.

Yeah. I have one of us. You pull up to me on the highway and you rev your engine a couple of times trying to get me going. And I'm like, no, bro, I'm cruising. I'm out. I'm 10 over, but I'm still like cruising, having a good time. Yeah.

There's a car right now. I love people doing that. See if you can pull up my 77 F100. Because it's, dude, it's Matt Black, and the interior is cowhide interior. I have a taxid squirrel. That sits there. He's got a cowboy hat,

a little gold chain, and a gun in his hand. And his nameplate says, Roy Cleveland Sullivan. Yeah, exactly. Hey, he ain't lying, bro. It works for about a week at a time. Literally, every three months it breaks down to where I called the same guy

that I'm pissed off right now. I go, I don't want to see it again. Like so. And he takes care of that. car for you if you have issues? Well, he's taking, yeah. That high school photo of Louis right there. There I am. There I am. There he is right there. I'm out of gas. I don't know you just out of gas. That's off the highway

right here. That's what I knew if you're out of gas. There it is right there. There it is right there. I had the cool chat. Yeah. And I got that. So the hood ornament is a guy on a buck and a horse. I found that on Amazon and powder coated it like that root beer. Yeah, the same color as the bumper right there. So Detroit steel wheels on the side. Like I love a a good, cool looking custom vehicle. But dude, I have an unreasonable expectation of these old cars where I want to drive them every single day. I don't want to get in it, turn the key and roll.

Like, when you're talking about cars being totally original and all that, like, to me, that's like, I'm a domesticated cat. Like, I can't change a tire. I don't know how to change the oil on a vehicle. I do not know how to do that. I'm a domesticating cat. I would love to just get in a car, turn the key. And it's like, this thing looks badass and it runs every single time.

Right. I am now learning about myself that this is the most unrealistic goal I've ever had for myself, ever and that sucks because I think yeah this truck rips look how bummed out you look right there I am so bummed out because I think I just got out of the shop and at the moment I was like I think I broke down again but you know the gas tanks there so I probably figured it out ran out of gas because we were did you walk did you walk to go get gas did you have to like no so we were all like kind of caravaning back to the shop this is like so you had you had friends with so jeremy clump actually pulls up behind me and we go to the gas station like a mile away.

I'll get this little tank and fill the back up. You didn't have to do the walk of shame, like walking back to your car with the gas jug. Been there, though. Yeah. And everyone knows. You look like an idiot. You're like, yeah, I ran out of gas.

That's on me. What's like, have you seen the vintage Broncos? Yeah. My wife has a 74. One of those has got a coyote in it. Yeah. Got a Wimbledon white.

Just classic light brown interior in it. It's pretty. So bad ass, dude. Yeah. It is such a cool looking car. She drives it. That's her. That was her dream car.

Yeah, it's, yeah, type in vintage Bronco. Vintage started making old Mustangs too. And they have a really cool deal with Ford to where they get, I guess that's it. I guess that's it more like that blue one, isn't it? It's more like that. It's more like that. Yeah.

There's more like it. Yeah, it's that, but it's in a Wimbledon white. And it dude, it's so sharp. It's fun to rip around. And it's got like the whole interior is like a new Bronco inside of it. It's like the glass dash and all the stuff, just like the new Broncos. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

I've seen one before. I only seen one, but they look pretty cool. Yeah, but the deal they have with Ford is like all of these parts come from Ford factory. So it's like, it's a, essentially it's a old looking car. This one's never broke down on me, which is amazing. And, but it's a brand new car with a 74 body. And I just think that's awesome. Perfect.

I'm a huge fan of that. George got something like that too, didn't he? Yeah, George's got, I mean, this is, yeah, George's got one, Portland or even. Like, he's like, I'm not a car guy, but he has, I think, two of these. Dave? Yeah. Oh, shit. I think when we were in New Orleans with him, right as we were leaving Barstall, we were all talking about, like, he's not into things like this, but he does love these Broncos.

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Not really. No, you can get a lot. You got them all. Yeah, and the old stuff's fun. So my dad from the trucking stuff, he was, he's in the old trucks. So he's, he's into a lot of stuff. Oh, Max, Peter Mills, all this stuff. Yeah, you figure out next time.

But that's, so I recently, I always drove the trucks around as a kid. Like that's when I got out of school before I was home school. When I lived in Connecticut, when I get home from school, I'd go to the truck garage there and I would just drive trucks around like as a child. Like that's what I watered a yard, a big tanker truck and I was a seven-year-old kid driving this tractor trailer is what I did. And I had fun doing it. And so like, I've always driven trucks growing up and used to that. And my dad's into antique trucks. And so I've always done it illegally. I finally got my CDL, which I think is probably the right. way to do it. Yeah. Well, I mean, I drove trucks on the highway, but I... How old are you doing like the CBL? Last year, so, yeah, I was 35 years old and I finally got it. But yeah, and now I can legally drive. I drive trucks just for the heck of it. I put my kids in the back and we go. We take it to your grocery store. We take it to church. We roll up to the church in a big tractor trailer. That's great. That's good times. Good times. Have you got to dad, something that he's always wanted antique truck? have I gotten him one?

Yeah, have you gotten him one? So I surprised him one year. I, yeah, I mean, that's the coolest thing to do because I wouldn't be here for my parents, like supporting my career, right? And so when I started to actually make it, not when I thought I made it and then lost my job, like when I actually made it, I bought my dad an old criss craft boat, like the old wooden Chris crafts. Yeah, those are awesome.

Yeah, super cool. And so I always remember I surprised him with. I was like, I've got this new boat. Come to the, come to the, go. to the lake, I want to show it to you. And we come cruising up in it and that's you're doing the keys and I was like, that's yours now. It's like one of these?

Yep. Yeah. That is awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a cool boat. Something about like a white polo and some, some blue shorts.

Right? Just cruise. Girl next to you's got a scarf on and some big glasses. That's the vibe. That's what it looks like, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's a good chugger out.

That's a pretty boat. That's a beautiful boat. It's just pretty. It's all wood too. Yeah, it's a piece of art. Yes, it is. They don't make them like that anymore. And it sounds great.

You like the old, like an old boat, just kind of run a little bit. Yeah, you know what I mean? And the water's kind of shooting out of the pipes a little bit. You know what I'm talking about that. That old boat sounds nice. That old boat sounds nice. You got to get a nice old boat sound.

You guys are going the wrong way on this. I'm just engaging because I have no clue this boat sound that you're talking about. You don't know. It's a thought. Yeah. Yeah, you know, the water's coming out of the pipe. Like, honestly, when the, when the, you guys' cars at NASCAR pull into the pit, like, that kind of sound as you're an idol.

Yeah, it sounds good, yeah. Dude, that's the best sound in the world. Our cars at idle sound really good. They're badass. Look it loud. Gotta get me juiced up, man. Yeah. Have you guys been to a race yet?

Yeah, we were at the Grand Marshal. Grand Marshal for Cracker Barrel 400. Oh, really? Did you start your engine? Oh, thanks for saying hello to me. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah.

We hadn't met yet. We started like, holy shit. That's the Joy LaGonna. Yeah. That is not what you got at all. That's a slice bit. Did you do a good command now? Like, I didn't see it.

Some people are saying it's top two. Check it out. Some people say it's top two. We're not going to. Top two. Because like the Kevin James one is probably the best one, right? Kevin James is number one. That's number one.

You can't beat it. Hard to beat. I'll say this. Not to brag, but it has been commented. Look at you. That's the name. Yeah. That came out when talking about the look.

You don't want to brag about it, but you guys feel like this. This is the best one since Kevin James. Really? You guys feel that way? That's what people are saying? People are saying. That's what people have said. People.

Yeah. And we're not, we don't look at negative comments. Right. So only look at the positive. Yeah. Right. I've done a good job.

That's the best way to do that. Because if you got any hate comments on this, you'd like this. Yeah, the custom part of that is we'll hit them with an extra vroom vroom at the end. You gave a room room? Did you give a frum, room? Yeah. Yeah, we had a whole. I almost cracked too.

I'll start laughing. Yeah. Was that the plan? Did you guys like practice it? Did you have a plan on how you were going to do it? It kind of got put together that day. Yeah. But like you thought,

he had some thought into it that day. The most difficult part of this is, hey, we want two guys to say, gentlemen, start your engines. Right. And I say, all right.

And I know that Will's got, will's got a more commanding voice than I do. Okay. So I was like, Will's got to be the gentleman starts your engines guy. So I put together a little like, so this is, this is the hype.

Yeah, this is the hype. Taylor hit a monologue, an American monologue. Yeah, American made. Do you talk about America? We were built for tough that day.

I'll tell you that. Yeah, you were. Look at I wish I could hear this Yeah This is this is for the car Right back to the airport

Yeah I'm looking it up For sure Yeah Broom Brum Brum Yeah I will say

Here's my We did a practice Run right before this And I was better In my practice run That I was live Was the practice awkward While people were

Staring at you guys Practicing I was just real nervous I was just real nervous Like I thought Even when I'm yelling, gentlemen, start your engines, I can, like, feel my legs.

I'm like, fuck, dude. I know. Like, there's a lot of, like, you get a little nervous. Yeah. It's kind of a great feeling that when you're, like, nervous, like, oh, I'm about to go do something where, like, if I fail, it'll go nuclear for all the wrong reasons.

Right. Yeah. And if you're able to pull it off, it's like, fuck, yeah. Yeah. But if you don't, hopefully you know a shot. Oh, well, right? Like, if it don't, like, I feel like people are too conservative these days because they're scared of failure. Fear of failure.

Yeah. Fear of failure. is a real thing, man. I'm with you, holy, dude. Like, just do it. And like, you know, you might, there's a lot of clips of me looking like an idiot on the internet.

What do you think the number one is? Oh, well, probably me freaking fighting people at the end of a race. It's not real smart. I'm glad you brought it back up. No, thanks. But I'm just saying, that's gonna be, man, dang it. Here's some of my moments. What was your, what was your worst altercation with a driver?

Stewart, Hamlin, um, Bush. Probably No, the Bush one wasn't bad. That wasn't bad. Probably the one that I regret the most was one at Kevin Harvick.

And so he dumped me a couple times. It kind of was building. We're friends now, so it's okay. But we, he wrecked me and eventually I had enough. he put me on the TV and at the time his wife Delana she always wore a fire suit

on pit road and I don't know the exact reason why maybe I don't know what the reason was but I went down the road you shouldn't have gone I made it personal I said well it's not his fall I said you know his wife wears a fire suit in the family and I was like ah and that's total like

ah it's good wordplay though it's good word play it was it's good word play it was funny and he made T-shirt and he sold them for his charity and all and it's funny and so I recently went on his podcast and I wore one of the t-shirts from 20 years ago that's funny that yeah it was probably one of the funnier ones but yeah there's moments like that that you know you know it's just happens yeah you got to move on we've all done that was 19 there I think that's you that's me yeah you can't even recognize me no not at all I was way younger and so yeah that

wasn't one of the who's that you don't have to steer it there uh No, it was Harvard. That's Harvard right there. And the funny thing is now I drive the shell car. And he was driving the show car then. Man, it is crazy how young you were there. Yeah. Look at the strut.

Yeah. So anyways, yeah, that's one of my more embarrassing moments. Thanks for bringing it up. Any of them bring up for weird? Do you guys have any stupid stuff like that? I've actually never looked dumb on the internet. No, not once actually. Oh, cool.

Good for you. It's never happened. It's never happened. It's never happened. I've never missed. Actually, you know what? someone's this is one of my better moments

Matt Oh yeah pull my pitch up thanks I can always count on Mitch to bodybag me whenever we have a fucking podcast on Jesus Christ Oh yeah

This is my first pitch So we know when we talked about Being nervous before big moments Yes I was zero percent nervous for this Zero percent Zero percent But you should have been

You tell me I'm the wearing 77 See the person in the yellow Oh look he does hat you get some push hooks in too man

I gotta get right that is I don't like how hard you're laughing at that I don't know he's laughing he's the worst friend ever right here

he's gonna beam it in there isn't he look at them and boom not a problem an actual strike it was a perfect it was a great

throw yeah good job yeah and I just damn yeah that's Yeah, but I mean You can also

There's a lot of that thing Yeah, there you gotta balance it back and forth Do you have some balance? Got to have some balance in there Jalen Ramsey. Yeah, this one right here, yeah, this is This thing comes up like three, four times a year. I'm the guy in 77 if you can't tell.

I'm not the black guy. So what were you doing before? What was that little hand motion? So that was Josh Norman. Josh, his celebration was the arrow. So when he would do stuff, he would, like,

throw an arrow at the guy. He, he did some, he did some stuff. I didn't like, we were in a four-minute drill at the end of the game. And he,

he, he, know, he tackled our running back there, Kenry, and then kind of rolled this, like, it's like,

at the end of the game, like, we're in four minute, you guys have lost. It's pretty much over. So he's soaking on the sideline, and I go and I go and I go to this, I go to this to him.

What sucks, though, is, He's a lot smaller in you. Yeah, Josh is, Will played with him and says Josh is a great guy. Like he's actually an awesome teammate and a good dude. I should drop somebody cold where they stood too.

Yeah, he probably is. Like he probably is. Again, it's you get in a competitive environment. Yeah. And you flip gears. It's just, well,

it's what you're supposed to do. And also the position I played in football was very much like, there's an escarvers right there. Like you have an office alignment. So you're a protection. to your guys. So the running back and the quarterback like are always off limits to you.

Always, always and forever. But yeah, you have moments. Sweet Marcus. Oh, this is the Richard Sherman one? Yeah. So this is, that's Richard Sherman, which I met the Pro Bowl the year before, one of the nicest guys in the world,

but that's a crazy late hit. Is that you right there? Yeah, that's me. What were you saying to him? I can't even remember. Want to go to dinner later? Ah! Yeah.

The fucking thing. Fucking bullshit. You hit my quarterback. You hit my quarterback. Exactly. Just like a Neanderthal type of talk. Just learn words for the first time. That's bullshit.

That's bullshit. You know it. Hey, but a guy that ruffles a lot of feathers, drives very aggressively, kind of how you've described yourself, Carson Hosebar. What's your relationship with Carson Hosebar like? Have you guys ever got into it?

We've had, I mean, I don't know if there's anyone on the track he hasn't run into yet. So I think I'm definitely part of that list at some point. Has he wrecked you? Have you wrecked him? He's got me. Shoot, he got me this week indirectly. He wrecked himself and then I got caught up in his wreck.

But yeah, I mean, he's pretty aggressive out there. Yeah. He pushes it to a different edge. I don't know if I quite understand it, but he's definitely pushing it. I love the way you're talking. Is it kind of like yourself back in the day? No. No, no, no, no, no.

The world has changed quite a bit, actually, because the things that I did that made Harvick mad or Tony Stewart or like most of these guys that I got runs with, those things back then were pushing it. Now it's very normal. Like the aggressive, the level of aggressiveness in NASCAR racing is gone through the roof on how everyone's just, it used to be crazy to see cars go three wide. Like it was a big deal. Oh, God, they're three wide. Now it's like three wide every restart. Four wide would be something that's a little surprising, but even that's not that crazy anymore.

So it's just kind of... What is three wide? Just three cars? Like three cars? Three wide. Got you. It's more self-explanatory than I. That's for the viewers.

Yeah, you want to go any deeper than that. That's just what it is. So the things that used to make some drivers mad when I was first starting 20 years ago is normal now. This is a whole like... another level. What is he's just super aggressive? Like he'll just,

if you have a situation with him. It just doesn't add up. It feels like it's dumb aggression. Yeah, it's just kind of like, why? Like, if you're trying to win a race, you're making a move, you're doing something like to try to do it like,

okay, or you're just doing it to do it, then it's different, you know? And there's been some moves that are probably questionable, you know? And granted, like I said, I've been that side of it before,

you know, not this far, but there. And yeah, it's just, I don't tell you. You know, you gotta compete against each other every week. Is what it is.

Did you say this? Look at this guy? Oh, this weekend was actually humorous. Oh, this is last week. So it was raining, pouring rain. No, so it was raining, pouring rain. And they will, we are just now learning to start races in wet conditions on ovals. We've done it on road courses, but on ovals, we always say if it's wet but not raining, we'll start the race.

Well, it's raining out. Like to the point you can't really see water's coming inside the car. You can't start to race in this. So they, my spotter asked me at the moment like, hey, NASCAR is asking, you know, thumbs up or thumbs down to go. And I'm like, thumbs down. Well, how so far is next to me. And he's like, I guess he's going to see how much gripped there is.

So he goes and passes the pace car, which is a no, no, you know, so does to do that. And then this is under caution before the race starts. And then just whoop spins it out in front of the field. And I'm like, huh. And that's what I was like, look at this. idiot like look at this guy go where's he going and um so yeah and and if you just see that context obviously it goes further than what you think is that's how they get you that's how they get you all it was just i was watching the guy spent out it's like someone making a dumb move on the highway like

look at this idiot where's he going you know like and that's kind of what it was and it was honestly it's kind of funny but um what would be the logic he was thumbs up he wanted to go racing and i was on thumbs down and he should have done done going no No, no, they pulled the Senate and waited for it to stop raining. Yeah, I guess that made sense. This is it right here. What track are you most confident on? Richmond.

Yeah, this is him under caution. You're probably going to see me drive by. Here I go right here. And what's the reason behind passing the pace car? You can't pass the pace car. The pace car is there to set the pace under caution under yellow flag. So what's he doing passing the pace? I don't know.

He's just to do that. He sounds like to be an idiot. Jeez. Yeah. Look at this idiot. Where is he going? We before, Uchi, I do have one more question from you,

and this was, make sure to ask you this before. All right, sorry, at the end, why are numbers so far forward on your car? Why the numbers far forward? Yeah. They're forward on all the cup cars now because they added more sponsorship placement

on the door. Gotcha. So in the past, the number was dead center of the door. So you didn't have as much sponsor placement. had it over to quarter panel like over to the quarter panels like the where the C post comes down. Yeah, sure where it says shell. Yeah. That used to be all you had.

A number was in the middle. So you didn't have much area to put sponsorship. Now the number's all the way forward. We can put a big old Penzo logo right there. And they like that. Penzo will want that. Yeah. That looks sharp to you?

Yeah. I think it looks sharp too. I just want to know your opinion. That does look good. Do you know how much it would cost to get a small bumper sticker put on your car? I mean, what size are we? We're talking about it. Something like that. Something small.

I mean, probably. I mean, we'll need it bigger than that, right? How big do you want it? Hold on one second. We want it to go across. All the way across? Okay. No, no, not all the way across.

I'm just saying like long enough. Long. Kind of like the NASCAR? I like that NASCAR thing? Yeah, yeah. On the bumper on the back. What's that Mustang you're building worth? How much is it worth and how much you get into it?

Is it two different things? Yeah. No, no, I was just like, you're going to let me drive it? Your Mustang? Let me drive. Yeah, I'll let you drive it. Yeah, absolutely. You'll just drive it.

You guys sign a couple waivers, a couple of things. I mean, technically I'm making promises I can't keep here. I don't own the car. Yeah. I just drive the car. Is there, is there, is there a way to sneak something on? Yeah, like similar to like when cars come out, there's a long wait list. Like you have a way to get to the front of line.

I mean, I think we can put a little sticker on there. A small little bushing with the bulls. I think like a side mirror. Like inside the car or something, maybe like an end of a sticker or something, Maybe like an inside, like an interior. No, not inside the car. Well, but then like the in-car camera can see it, though. It'll be exposure because you have the in-car camera.

Does that count? He's got a point. Is that count? The way, yeah, it counts. Yeah, it counts. Like, can you put sponsors? Yeah. Do you control any of the sponsors?

Very few. I mean, I have relationships with them. But yeah. You control some. Yeah. And you're like, do you ever like do prep bono, like kind of like how lawyers do for people that can't afford? No. No.

No. No. No. Do you? Yeah. Do I do. I do things all. time for people. For my voice? Yeah, for the voice. I remember sitting on this bus with you and being

like, once you're loyal to me, like I'll do anything. I feel like, I feel very loyal to you right now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just wondering how I'm trying to put your sticker on my car. I'm trying to pro bono. We're talking the same language. I mean, I feel like we're pretty close to the same language. What's your favorite animal? Maybe an accent a little different, but pretty close. Favorite animal? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I tell you what, I got three new goats today. I haven't met them yet, but I know I got three goats coming. You say a goat is your favorite animal. Well, I don't know if my favorite animal. Well, I tell you, I got a big poison ivy problem at home. I told you I like riding quads a lot. Yeah. And there's a lot of poison ivy back there. And

we've got it on us too many times. I said, screw it. So I'm getting goats. I got two goats already. We're going to get more goats and we're going to eat that poison ivy rate up. So I'm sick of being itchy. We could do like that. So right now, yeah, sure, that's my favorite animal. A stuffed goat. Yeah. And he's wearing something cute. And that's something cute, It's just got buss with the boys on it. And you can set it, you know, wherever you want inside for the camera. I didn't know you were going with that. Oh, so you weren't.

But I'm saying, it's got away. Hey, I like driving with my stuffed goat. Yeah. It's my good luck charm. Yeah. It's a whole different level. It's my good luck charm. And then everybody would be fascinating.

Look at that go. Oh, man, he's rocking a bus with the boys fit. Was it was a good? It's a shirt on that goat. What's going on? Is that a busing with the boy's shirt on the goat? We're kind of honest. Wow.

We are kind of on this. It would set you apart from everybody else. Yeah. At the end of the day, what are we trying to do, man? Set apart. Yeah. Exposure. Yeah.

Yeah. Can't be better if you're not different. Exactly. I used to get poison ivy so badly when I was little that I'd be naked, pink calamine lotion all over my body and just sitting naked in front of a fan. Dude, it did get so bad I couldn't like open my eyes when I wake up in the morning. That's really bad. Yeah, yeah.

We'll got to do a few things too. Rubbing it all over you? I guess we'd just fall in the leaves and just running outside a lot and kind of have like, you know, whether it's a what do you call them like a little not a tree house because we'd just be in the weeds and shit but we think you were in a pie too we think of it's like our house yeah yeah yeah you thought it was weeds yeah it wasn't weeds our little secret spot but it'd just be it'd be poison ivy yeah you need to get it's so bad that sounds awful yeah see that's why you had to move to a there's no there's no poison i don't you know some goats a lot of my body covered in this pink

calomite lotion there'd be three floor fans sitting around me and I'd just have to sit there after my mom put it all me and I'd just be sitting in the living room floor but just toes the head yeah yeah that's brutal that is brutal yeah so we can definitely have the conversation of a bumper sticker bust with the boys bumper sticker I mean I think we can have a talk about it yeah yeah we can again I don't own the car I'm making yeah we got to bettsky yeah we'll talk to we'll talk to we'll talk to penske yeah we'll get on the horn with them yeah hey dr. P what's going on man Bus with the boys here. Hope you're doing well.

Hey, we were talking to Joey on the bus. I don't know to sell the episode. And he said this is a great idea and we should talk to you guys about it. Yeah. Yeah. And he said he promised it without fully promising it. Just said we had to call it Dr. P.

And we want your drivers to have great people. You have my endorsement. I don't know about the rest of it. But I can help push down along. Okay. Maybe I have bustle with the boys fire suit. That's, now you're going too far. Okay.

That's too far. You know what? We've got to find the envelope somewhere. Yeah. Kind of you were in a good spot. Yeah. Then you brought the goat in pushing a little much. Like, I don't know if I'm on the stuffed animal goat hanging out in my car.

I don't know if I need that. Just trying to be clear. Fire hazard. That would be the reason. Fire hazard. That would be the reason. But you saw the things you don't want to do. It's pretty easy to land on the bumper sticker now, right?

I mean, within reason, I believe so. Yeah. I think we can all find that reason. We need to talk. We got a talk time. Because we don't know if we can't either. So we can't make that promise. But we don't know if you can do that.

Yeah, yeah. We don't control the sponsors. So can we trade it out then? Does that make more sense? Okay. Like if you're, if you're getting, can I get something in here? Like, do I get placement in here? Hold on.

If you're, if you're getting placed on a race car? Wait a minute. I mean, because I thought we were. You didn't know, you can easily give and take. Let me ask you, your perfect world. What is your? I think I got it. He could put one of his, maybe two of his four dealership vehicles.

Like he'd park him here. Oh, wow. You see how that works. Yeah. Huh. It doesn't see that. You have to go to 10,000 miles. Oh, it's like a test driver.

We'll do that for you. Great idea. Yeah. Well, wow, you guys are super kind. That's a great idea. Get your name on the license plate. Yeah. Yeah.

What if that busts on the boy's helmet up there is a Joey. Oh, that would look better. No, I think that's a good trade out. That's really expensive real estate. That's like. Oh, and my car's not? Oh, no, I'm just saying it is. He's saying it's a fair trade.

Yeah, it's equivalent. Like, if you want to talk about us on your hood. How much is busting with the boys paying you to put that helmet right there? That's, that's, that's, We know a couple guys. Oh, yeah. We got a guy on the inside. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. That's a big, that's a big piece of real estate. That's a big, really. I didn't, I wasn't ready for you to negotiate so hard. You want to talk about that one? I mean, that, you know, we can talk post show. Well, what, the cost of, yeah. Oh, the cost.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I thought we were trained. I thought it was a, you know. Oh, we do trade for sure. But that's like for a small little bover sticker. I mean, you were talking about the size of that NASCAR one. That's what you're talking about. Say it again.

You were talking about the size of the NASCAR logo back there. That's a pretty big bumper sticker. Have you seen a bumper sticker that big? That is a pretty big one. We could do something. Yeah, we can do that right there. Yeah, that was good. And if you put my smile in face right there.

But I mean, you're saying that size bumper sticker? Is that too big? Is that what you want? Is that what you're going for? I kind of like it long ways. I don't have any control of this. I like think of like a car, his car, up to another car. And they'd be able to see it right there.

Like they're doing a little. It's just one driver. Yeah. One driver sees that. In the goat thing, we can just, we could do that for your daughter. So whenever you want to race and you hug her, she'll be carrying the stuffed goat. Yeah. We'll find out their favorite animals.

There's a good idea. Yeah. That's a good. I like that idea. But now we're given two things. He's only given one. We don't want to overextend ourselves. Wow.

Fair, but he could be our guy. He could be like our driver. True. That's some good driver's on here. That's some great drivers. So we are playing favorites. We have a lot of recency bias. But now you have a real shoe on here.

Yeah. Bring it back to the shoe. Yeah, we got a shoe who's won two of the last four. Like this is where they start to get hot. It is 2026, even number year. Yep. Can you find a better one? That's what I'm saying.

I don't think so. I don't think so. I think this is a perfect way to end the show. This is a great episode. Yeah. Let's give a round of applause to Joaquin. I don't know what happened there. I went for a handshake.

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