Bussin' With The Boys - Jon Gruden On Coaching Football Again + Competitive Relationship With Andy Reid

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

Recorded: December 16th 2024 In this episode of Bussin’ With The Boys, the boys sit down with NFL coaching legend Jon Gruden for a no-holds-barred discussion on all things football, coaching, and his new ventures with Barstool Sports. They break down the College Football Playoff, an epic NFL weekend, and discuss Jon's storied career, including his Super Bowl victory in Tampa Bay and his thoughts on modern football, and his potential return to coaching. Taylor Lewan and Will Compton also dive into some dad talk with the back of the bus, and preview their weekend in South Bend, Indiana. They then kick things off with a breakdown of the upcoming massive football weekend, a deep dive into the College Football Playoff picture, and some wild betting stories like Will’s almost 9-leg parlay. They cover the latest NFL recap, including controversial topics like DeVondre Campbell walking out on his team and the popular Shoutout No Free Shoutout segment. TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 4:31 Massive Weekend Ahead 8:52 CFB Playoff Preview 11:03 Will’s ALMOST 9 Leg Parlay 14:10 NFL Recap 22:57 DeVondre Campbell Walking Out On His Team 35:09 Shoutout's OTW 45:58 JON GRUDEN INTERVIEW STARTS 46:21 His Passion For Football 48:24 Being A Fan Of The Teams He Coached 49:49 Diving Into The Barstool World 51:33 Coach’s Different Methods Of Interacting With The Guys 56:36 Adapting To The Newer Game - Guys Are Softer Now 57:46 Drop In Talent In The NFL Because Of Transfer Portal? 1:07:26 The Boys Transitioning Out Of Football With The Pod 1:14:18 Gruden Transitioning Into Media 1:16:17 Getting Fired As A Coach/Building Your Coaching Staff 1:18:45 Does He Want To Get Back Into Coaching? 1:21:05 Bill Belichick Is At UNC 1:23:40 Coach’s Football Facility And His Routine 1:27:21 Story Of Coach Recruiting Will To The The Raiders 1:32:01 Coaching Richie Incognito And Antonio Brown 1:38:00 Taylor’s Thoughts On Current NFL Tackles 1:41:57 Would Coach Pop Into Other Meeting Rooms? 1:43:59 Spider 2 Y Banana 1:45:50 Coach On The State Of The NFL 1:47:53 “It’s A Sick Obsessed World Of Football I’m Living In” 1:50:02 New Things With Gruden To Look For At Barstool 1:55:42 Will’s Rapid Fire Questions 1:57:02 Favorite Memories Playing 2:06:11 Which Coaching Job Could He Himself In? 2:07:38 Twisted QOTWFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Not sick off, but just like, I just feel off. I didn't know what it was. I wanted to spice something up. Right. I'm like, maybe this might bring something about. And while I was scrolling down while your ad reading, felt good. Felt good. Yeah.

All right. We're going to get through this episode. We're going to have some fun. Yes. Big guest. John Gruden. John Gruden. He joined the show last week.

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The locker room that comes out. Wednesday's now. Wednesday night at what, 6 p.m.? Is it 6 p.m.? And there's a fun little calling. You want to tell people about the calling? The fan calling. The parlay calling.

Yeah. Brain almost died there for a second. That's why we're here. That's why there's two people on the bus. Fan call and parlay segment for the locker room. If you have a parlay for the weekend, could be college, could be NFL, could be players. it doesn't matter.

Just note, take yourself a little selfie video, give us your best parlay of the weekend, and send it to info at bus and wtb.com for a chance to be featured on the show. Where do we start? Where do we start? Do I want to talk about what we're doing this weekend? Ooh, yeah.

It's exciting. That was an awesome message to get. Yeah, who'd you get that message from? The boys. Oh, yeah, the tribe. Yeah, the tribe said, hey, we want you to come out and go do this. Say, hey, we got you for the sideline passes.

Wow, four of them. Yes, four of them. Big time. Yeah. You just got to know the names. We're popping in and we're popping out. That's what we got to do. So what we and what myself and Will are alluding to, 12 team playoff, first year this has ever happened in the history. Now, there's a team a little bit up north in Indiana, South Bend, Indiana, that is, Notre Dame.

Sherman hates them. They are playing Indiana, a team that has just picked and plugged guys from the transfer portal and have got an absolute run in the Big Ten. and we're going to find out if they are for real or they frauds. Sharm, our friend in the back there is already saying Notre Dame is fraud. So he's basically saying this is a game between a couple of frauds going to the playoffs. The boys will be in South Bend, Indiana, watching the historic Notre Dame fighting Irish, take on the Indiana Hoosiers on the sideline vlog will be coming out the following week. It is going to be an electric time.

Shirm, you think both of these teams are frauds? He's always said, he said since we've met him that Notre Dame is a fraud school. Throughout the season, you'd almost assume, like... I think Indiana has benefited. off of their schedule, I think they are more of a realistic competitor in the playoff than Notre Dame. Notre Dame is yet to win a BCS Bowl, New Year 6th bowl, or CFP game. This is without a doubt. This is their last chance. If you can't get a playoff win against Indiana, you're a fraud for life. You're a fraud forever. It's crazy that they

keep on getting the invite with their easy schedule. They beat A&M. Cool. So, did how many other teams? South Carolina beat A&M. Texas. Texas. They're in the playoff. LSU. Here's a question for everybody on the bus is when you see a brand like Indiana,

you don't think to yourself football powerhouse, but they're in the 12th team playoff. They had a hell of a year this year. How many years would they have to have of making it to the playoff and being a dominant program in the Big Ten to be looked at as like a football brand worthy, like a noteworthy type brand? How many years? do you think will?

Yeah, I would agree. You were holding up too, weren't you, JP? Yeah. If they make a run... JP knows what you're talking about. If they make a run in the playoffs this year, and then they come out hot next year, I mean, that's a respect to you.

You're saying that is a football-branded school. In this college football playoff era, yes. Now, as far as like the blue bloods of the world, I mean, that takes time. Takes time. It takes decades. Yeah, but in the current, they make a run in this college football playoff.

And the next year, again, they start out about, what was their season record, 11 and 1 they're a team to be And a run to you is they beat Notre Dame They beat Notre Dame They stole out against

Who would they play next? Who knows who they play next? Well, I think you would know Who they play next. Or Georgia. Oh my gosh, yeah. Yeah, Georgia. No, it's not Georgia.

George is on the... Oregon? No, it would be... That's Tennessee. Ohio State. Arizona State. No, Arizona State plays Texas or... Look at us.

Look at us. Bunch of idiots. What did you? It's a football podcast. Here we are. Who do they play? SMU and Penn State. SMU and Penn State go against each other,

and then the winner of that would play if Indiana beat Notre Dame? They play Boise. So it's Georgia. So it's Georgia. Okay, so we could probably say that they're going to stall out. But does that count as a run for you? Like, they beat Notre Dame, boom. Is that a run?

I think it depends on how they play Georgia. If they play Georgia- tough, I mean, it's, look, you want to go and see. what's up with Indiana and Signetti. If you're a recruit, why not? Yeah, okay. They'll beat Notre Dame. They'll beat Notre Dame.

I'm with you. I'm with you. A more newsman. I don't know. Hey, how'd Army do over the weekend? Remember when you were calling for them? Here we go. Collegeville will play. Communist Willie.

Add it again. Before they go to, before they play Notre Dame, get smacked. That Navy quarterback had a great game. A great game. That's one where you got to throw it all out the window. That's Army Navy. That's Army Navy. That's Army.

Rival. Rivalry. Records go out the window. We saw it with Allstate Michigan. Record breaking performance by that. Navy quarterback. It was crazy. Yeah. I just thought it was interesting. I get it. Army gets their ass beat.

Yeah. Let's go over a little quick prediction. Just a quick fast prediction. Well, hit me down with those lines right there. Ohio State, Tennessee. Your first dog... I kind of want to save it for the locker room. I, that's a good point. I kind of want to say it for the locker. We haven't done any research.

I'm up in the air on Ohio State, Tennessee right now. Okay, I'll take Tennessee. Truth be told, I'm up in the air. I think Ohio State is in a great spot to just win the whole damn thing since they've lost to since they've had the season that they've had and losing the Michigan. I think they're broken. They're broken. It could very well be.

Here's one. Spoiler alert for the locker room. I'm not going to waver on this. Even if everything I look at tells me differently, I am going to pick Tennessee. I'm going to take Tennessee money line. And I fully expect Tennessee to plant their flag at the middle of Columbus, Ohio, before it becomes a felony.

That's what, that's what I see. They're going to get one last one in. Just send some fans of Columbus, Ohio while this game's going on. If they win, just get out. out in the stadium and plant the flag. Plant the flag. If you're a volunteer, if you're putting on the orange,

you've got to think to yourself, we're going to win this game. We've got to plant that flag. Now years past, we're talking about pro Big Ten, pro SEC. You're in a spot to root for these Big Ten teams. Right.

And I know. And in the past, we've called for Ohio State fans or root for Michigan. We have. We have called for that. And at that time, it made so much sense to me.

At the time, when we were talking about people rooting for Michigan, it made sense to me. What transpired between Michigan, Ohio State, the way Ohio State, the state of Ohio has really just folded, has literally crumbled in front of our eyes. The foundation of that state has become so little that a congressman is trying to push forward a bill to where planting a flag on the 50 yard line should be a felony.

You've lost me. You've not only lost me. I know there's people in Ohio that watch this show that are hardworking blue collar individuals that just get paycheck to paycheck and save up the money they have so that they can go watch a scarlet and gray on a Saturday. And I feel bad for those people that they're in the position they were. The state's broken. Because of that, Tennessee is going to win big.

Even if, and I'm Tennessee money line all the way, but I love plus seven and a half for the balls. I think that's a really good bet. Yeah. If you're a new better draft kings, get on there, plus seven and a half,

basically lock. Unless draft king switches it up on you. Yeah. I had a nine legger hit. Oh, I thought hit last night. I hit eight legs out of the nine. All I needed left was Josh Jacobs to get 60 plus yards, which I think he might have gotten the first half.

But I go back after I know Josh Jacobs has gotten 60 plus, I go back in the app and look at my settled bets. Apparently they went back on a stat correction, and Khalil didn't get 40 plus yards receiving. He got 39. It's a tough look for draft kings. Yeah, look, I get it. Because ultimately I'm betting on him that 40 plus.

if he didn't have 40 plus, then he had 39. Ultimately, I lose the bet. However, what I'm curious about is if before this nine-leger happens, this last leg, and my cash, it was a $100 bet to win like $2,600. Very conservative nine-leg parlay. Well, usually if you put nine legs together, you're thinking like plus $10,000 or something crazy. Yeah, yeah, something nuts. But what I'm curious about is say I cash out on this $100 bet when it was at like $1,700

is what the cash out was. If I cash out and then they go in and correct the stat, do they take that money back out of my account? That's what I'm curious about. That's wondering. Because I was, I was like tight. I was like, what the fuck? And made me want to go back and watch every play of the Bill's Lions game

just to see if he actually, if it was 39 yards. I'm assuming they're correct on the 39 yards. So ultimately I wouldn't win. It's just I saw myself winning. And then I felt like I won. And then I go back in the app and that money's going, the $100 is going. I think at the very least And I'm not going to tell

Jeff Kings was due That's a great institution We love that they're part of this show Maybe just give you the $100 back $101 But if you If you're in defense of Draft Kings

Like if he only got 39 yards For real You lost the bet They messed up on the stack correction I did lose the bet You're a big man Yeah That's beautiful of you

I've obviously thought about this a lot Yeah Is there something you want to work through Right now With Draft Kings But then it's like Well if he only got 39 yards then ultimately I was I lost.

And also Jeff King has been really good to us too. Yeah. And I was curious. I am, has anybody went through that? Has anybody had like a parlay that they might cash out on before it fully hits? You're one of like six people in the world that have hit been close to a nine lake parlay. Yeah.

You're one of six people who have been close to a five lake parlay. There was anybody who won a singular bet that they was corrected on and then they'd go back. I'd assume they would just take it out of your account, right? God. Did you imagine getting that email? Like you just hit best. bag on something, you're telling all your boys about it, then all of a sudden, Drafting website pops up,

or any betting website pops up. Like, hey, by the way, had a bit of a whoopsie daisies here. Yeah. So I would have, you know, the majority of people don't, like, take the money out of the account. Like the bill, even bigger, go down another worm rabbit hole. Say I only had $100.

I bet it on that nine-leck parlay. I cash out before the ninth lake, $1,700. I deposited back to my account before they do the stat correction. Then what? Lawsuit. Then what? You're in a game. Yeah.

Yeah. You're going to, court against draft kings. Yeah. Just interesting. It was a wild, it was a wild tournament. Dude,

you brought up a big game, though, Bill's Lions. Lions, they're so plagued by injuries, they lost a detackle yesterday as well.

Is it going to hurt them? Because right now they're tied for the one seat. I got the Lions schedule right here. It's a favorable schedule. I mean, they're at the Bucks

or at the 49ers, and then they have Minnesota. Shaky. Eagles, Eagles have at Washington, then they have the Cowboys. boys and they have the giants you got to assume they're both going to win two or three of those and then lions win lions would end up winning the buy I'm nervous for him in the playoff the way that they've had

these injuries on defense I know it's they've had a hell of a year like anybody needs the buy week it's the lines they got to have it because it's a team that's scratched and clawed they put the whole entire city on their back like we talk about all the time the lady in August essentially crying to us how much she loves the city and loves the lines like there's fans like that in Detroit and you want to see them make a big run. But I was looking at the playoff thing, and it's hard to think that the Eagles, who might be the most miserable tie for one seed of all time, the team, but Eagles and Chiefs, because you look at the AFC picture, and it's like, it's going to be the Chiefs again.

It's going to be the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. Where is Minnesota sneak it? Is Minnesota sneak the one seat? I mean, 11 and 2. They're a good team. Yeah, that's a good ball club. There's no doubt about it. Philly's interesting.

They are. It is crazy how they are arguably the best team in the NFL, and it just seems like they have nothing but drama around them. Do you see the Siriani clip last night to where he's going to the bench on the D-Line and the E-Lines coach, like basically saying, hey, not now, not now? And it just, I don't know. I just don't know how I feel about how they feel about Siriani. It seems like he just has, like, no respect around the Eagles organization.

God, I hate that. It's what is from a, from a, listen, third party. I'm on the outside looking in. There seems to be something new every week. Last week it was A.J. Brown, but they all learn from that. It's like, feed the beast. Feed the man. Yeah.

He scores a touchdown. They go over and celebrate. They got him to ball early and often. It's over, sorry, it catches over 100 yards, a touchdown. And then the celebration to me just made me laugh. Yeah. They're letting you know that they handled it. They're letting you know that they handled it in-house.

That, hey, give A.J. Brown the football. You're going to need to give A.J. Brown the football if you're going to win this whole thing. True. I mean, Seekuan Barkley. but yeah. No doubt. You're right. You're right.

Sequani. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But if you're, if you're 12 and two as a ball club, like you should be, the energy should be higher than ever this point in December. Everyone's getting Christmas gifts.

The quarterback is dishing out to everybody. Something big. Something big. Mm-hmm. And right now, it just, you're right. It doesn't feel like it. And I don't know if we're just over dissecting clips. You see Seriani like the, was it the, uh, the, uh, the D-line coach.

D-line coach. He was like, hey, no, no, no. And Big Dom gets himself in back there. Like, it's a. The security is always finding, yeah. It's just always finding a moment to get in that camera angle. It's a wild situation. Hopefully they can just hold it together for another month and a half.

Yeah, because they have a fucking team. They have a fucking squad. She's Jalen Carter out there just. Yeah. Popping dudes mid-play. I'd be dead. I mean, I'd be dead. With that hit to the head?

What is this? Jalen Carter. He's in the middle of play rushing the passer and he just fucking pops. Who was it? No, I wasn't You're talking about Miles Garrett What you're talking about? The Eagles played the Steelers.

You're hot. Eagles played the Steelers. You just popped out of Miles Garrett. Yeah, yeah. On midfield. Yeah, 2D linens going on the offensive linemen. Miles Garrett is an edge rusher for the Cleveland Browns.

He has nothing to do with this topic. That is right. And I'm going to lock in. I'm sorry. You're all right. You're a little off today. You said it. I'll lock in.

with the Lucy. It's Monday. Lock him with a Lucy. Get dialed in. Dialed in. Miles Garrett did rip his helmet off in a really weird play. Yeah, he got injured. But that's different than what you guys are talking about.

Right. Jim Carter's out there assaulting dudes midplay on the field, which again, that violent team of the Eagles, I low-key love to see it. Do they have the best vibe right now with everyone doing the celebration after every good play? Even wide receivers getting up, first down. Cooper is he? What is this?

Cooper Dejean. Cooper DeJohn. I don't know what it is. I try to look it up. I might be too Caucasian to understand that, but that is kind of a nice little. I mean, Cooper did it? Yeah, let's hope that team has that vibe and continuity going. Because you think about the Eagles, you think Kelsey, Kelsey retires, huge leadership.

Then on the other side of the ball, you have Brandon Graham, who comes back for his 15 season. You think he's going to retire. He ends up tearing a peck. He sustains an injury, maybe as a trisip or something. It was an upper body injury. So now you have two major leaders in the Eagles organization that are now out. you think these are going to fall apart. And now the Eagles have the best win streak record of their entire franchise, 10 wins in a row.

Like, they should be thinking to themselves, boys, we can go win at all. We should have vibes up here. And it might be that way. It might be. I think it is that way. It has to be. It's just funny anytime you see a serianic clip because I'm just thinking, man, this dude's the head coach. And it's like they're always just patting him on the head like, hey, relax, relax.

God. You imagine a variable got patted like that? Oh, I mean. Brulogel. That's a thing, though. like the variable ain't getting treated like again I don't want to say too much because Seriana could be a great

he could be a great guy it could be nothing it could be absolutely nothing would love to have him on the show someday yeah talk about it hey are you respected yeah that's that's the question but the NFC is the most interesting playoff picture there is

because with the AFC it's like you just got to think the chiefs are going to do it again no the bills though yeah bills are the team if the bills would have just lost the regular season game against the Chiefs, I would agree with you.

You think the Bills will whoop the Chiefs? I think so too. It's like if you watch the Chiefs Browns, even the moments that the Chiefs have the opportunity to step on their throat and really just outscore. They haven't scored over 30 points the entire year. Over 30 points.

I got stat correct. The bills have scored 30 points in like six straight. And they beat the Chiefs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying. I'm just the opportunity to step on a team

like the Brown's throat. they failed to do so. They do win 21 to 7, but there's just something about the Chiefs. Just don't think they do it this year, man. When's he going to learn? Just when is he going to learn? I do love the bills.

I love Josh Allen. I love the way that team's operating. The hype video from Detroit, Detroit versus the bills, you see a high video on Twitter? It was like a back and forth about two cities and the team just putting them on the back. Where the head coaches are talking, like Campbell.

And it just fires you up. Yeah. Because there's not a lot going up there in Buffalo. I was there for a wedding. back in 2015 not a lot going they got the bills that's what they got they got they got the bills and wings and blue cheese which is disgusting but in the uh in the eagles game too tj watt do we know how bad that injury is with him looks like a foot right you lose t j watt it is over for the stealers you do he is he is so he is so incredible you know he was pissed that entire game yesterday

he's sitting next to fucking max too God. He was ready to kill somebody. But NFC West. T.J.O. Watt's injury, not long term. Probably good for the playoffs at least. Yeah. I mean, he's a watt, dude.

He'll be back. He'll have the D.O. Antler spray. He'll have all the things he needs to get done to get back on the field. Whatever it takes. Whatever it takes. Legally. They never got popped for a drug test like me. He will be back on the field.

He'll be smarter about it. Yeah. He'll have that. BPC, whatever the new version of BPC 157 is. Yeah. To get that thing done. You're talking about AFC West? The NFC West.

NFC West. And, once again, wide open. Seahawks had a big opportunity to beat the Packers and remain the top dog there. And again, the Cardinals went against the Patriots. Like that division between the Rams, the Cardinals, the 49ers, and the Seahawks is wide open. And I have no clue who's going to come out on top. I really don't. Yeah.

It's sad, but I think the 49ers are not the team that's going to come out on top of that. You say that, but you just never fucking know. You never know. I think the best team coming out is the Rams or the Seahawks. But again, with the Niners, you never know because that staff, they still got the guys. Everybody's talking about they're injured or this or that. Like they could just, for whatever reason, come alive. Yeah, basically the Niners have to win the last three games in the season just to make it in.

And they do the linebacker saying he's not going to play. what's the kid's name? Devonra Cary. I say his kid like a kid like he's like not three years younger than me. But like that that is insane to say you're not going to play a football game because your feelings are hurt. Have you ever heard of that? No, I haven't. No, you've heard about guys going in the locker room at halftime. They're 12-year events.

They say, hey, it's not in. I don't have it anymore. To me, it's like, hey, you just play the last 30 minutes and then retire after the game. But to say you're just not going to play a game. Because I think Greenlaw comes back from an Achilles injury. he's a staying in the Super Bowl and they're like hey we got to get this guy back on the field we're going to get him reps he's a starter he's a pro bowl all pro type of guy and then you take him out and then you're like hey third quarter guys are injured we need you in there it's a team sport and now you

because he decides out to play you got a you got a linebacker out there hobbling around right and that's just crazy and it's just not understood and who knows if there was drama going on before that game started with their situation inside the linebacker room but again and not being understood before he even straps up like he's dressed to go play it's like you know if you're you're you're you're you're The team needs you. Yeah. And what sucks is Devondra, he's a good linebacker. Like, he's a good, sturdy linebacker.

And again, the ego is the enemy, man. Whatever he's feeling in his situation. Because, look, it's like, even if they're going with Greenlaw and you've had a hell of a year or you've had a good, like playing, like, everybody knows you can play good. You can play well. You know that you can play well. And so if they're going with Greenlaw, Greenlaw, you're in a situation where, okay, yeah, you might be the backup right now.

But you never know when your opportunity comes. Like, again, Green Law, Greenlaw, he's. he's just come back from an Achilles. He needed to be tapped out and somebody in Devondre to come in to substitute for him. And he just decides not to play. It's like no matter what, you have the opportunity there to, again, you're proven everybody that they're right for thinking that, you know, this could be toxic on putting you as a backup.

Right. You know what I mean? Versus coming in and playing and knowing that you are still a good quality linebacker. They're just the futures with Greenlaw. And I don't know if he's on a one-year deal, two-year deal. And again, Devondre, he could be thinking I'm paid. he's made like $40 million. He doesn't need it and he's good with his decision.

But ultimately it's like, bro, your resume and your reputation on being a good linebacker. It's now tarnished because you walk out on your team. And I get it's a business. There's all these angles going on of everybody thinking of their own individual story and their own individual business going on. But you are in a team game.

Right. Team fucking needs you. There's a main story and there's a bunch of micro stories. And those micro stories are the individual story that you're playing out yourself. When he is out of the league 10 years from now and he's sitting at his house, I'm sure he's made all the money in the world. he's going to sit back and think about this moment and if he thought about it without any bias towards himself,

he's going to know that he made a mistake. Because it's just like you're saying, if it's a team sport and they pull you out, you have every right for your feelings to be hurt. You have every right to be like, bro, I've been playing well, I should be able to still play. But if you are asked to go back in the game

after somebody sustained injury and you say, no, you're not being a bad teammate to the guy who's hurt because now he's got a hobble around out there. You're hurting his money because he's putting bad film out there. And you're taking away opportunities from yourself. Like you just said, like when he goes, obviously, if he's that upset where he's not going to play, let's say he goes in place. You know there's an issue the rest of the year.

Season's almost over. When he's done, he can go to a new team. And there's no forward-facing media coverage of a guy who decided not to play a football game where 31 other teams are going to look at you and say, well, let's use out a team guy. When the shit gets hard, when the shit gets tough, we're not going to put him in. Or he's not going to be a guy we can depend on. And that's, that's the bummers because he made a, he made a, a, he's, a, he's, he's, he's, he made a, quick decision on something that is going to hurt the rest of his NFL career. It doesn't matter how long it is and eventually will become a regret that he has.

Because it's not, dude, the NFL, like we talk about it, how zoomed in players can be. Now, zoomed in, you and I were. And then you eventually get out and you realize, like, all the things that seem so big really aren't that big. This is one of those moments where it seems like such a big deal and you feel disrespected as a man. You just go out there and play. It's going to fix itself. You play good ball. It fixes itself.

That's the frustrating part. I feel bad for him. Yeah, it's like ultimately you're feeding the bad wolf. Yeah. The story is the good and the bad wolf on your shoulders. And he made a selfish decision. And again, it's like we can talk about football, but everybody. It's like everybody zoomed in on their own situation.

No matter what, you can't control certain things like outside of yourself. Like you can't help that the coaches want to go with Greenlaw over you. What you can control, what you can help is your attitude and effort every day. Coming in to know like, all right, I'm going to be the backup here. I'm going to be the best fucking backup in the league until my, my time comes again because no matter what, you've put together a great resume and you're tarnishing it because you're so caught up in your own story that you're pissed off because people outside of your controller making the decision that we're going to go with Greenlaw

where it's like, again, you just put your head down and be like, you have to accept the reality of your current situation and fucking be ready to go because your number is going to get called again in this league. Like one thing we do know, the NFL 100% injury rate. Green Law needed to tap. Your opportunity would have still been there to go back in. And you just, you never know. I hate to see it.

I hate the bad teammate stuff. I hate the ego. I hate the selfish bullshit. Like, I'm just not about it. I'm just not about it. To me, it's even simpler of it's your job. Like, you're paid to do this. And if you're healthy, you have to do it.

Right. In the real person world, it's like you can't show up and they actually think I'm out. Yeah. And then get paid. It's like taking the, if he doesn't love football, like some of the guys do, taking the Cheney Crowder outlook on it of like, like yeah it's like working at Walgreens i show up i do my job i leave and then that's it right and it's like i feel like that has gotten lost in a lot of pro sports leagues just looking from that angle

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Oh, I'm playing. Like, if I think back on any of my own experiences, there's a situation in 2017 where I was pissed when we ended up getting, and I've told this story before, where we get Zach Brown, pro bowl linebacker, he becomes the starter. Whether or not I think it's political, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, he was the starter. So the entire year, I'm a backup. We had a third string guy, Martrelle Spate, who's supposed to be the third string. And when Mason Foster or Zach Brown would be injured, we would go in the supplement.

And when Mason Foster went on IR for the rest of the years, like the middle of the year, back third of the year, I'm thinking to myself, I'm going to be the Mike Backer with the green dot and everything else. while I come to learn on the week of the game that we're playing against the Cowboys that I'm splitting time with Spate, who's supposed to be my backup, right? Like in my own story, in my own movie. And I'm pissed off because they're only giving me bass reps, which you know, 12 personnel, 21 personnel. Teams don't do it a whole lot in this game unless you're playing the lines like Dallas

did it that week. There's going to be about 15 snaps that I got to play base. The majority of the snaps are in your nickel package, nickel, dime, and spate was going to be the guy. Spate was going to be the guy with either the Green Dot or Zach Brown was. I forget what it was. I remember. Definitely not the guy.

But I remember being so pissed off. I go into the linebacker. I go to talk to Coach K.O. about it. And I'm like fuming. I'm mad that I'm finding out in a special teams meeting that like, hey, Will, you're going to be on all four. I think they're going to be rolling with spate. And I'm thinking to myself, like, why am I finding out right now in a special teams meeting that I'm not going to be the guy getting the reps?

And again, I was tight. And I was bitter about it. And when I went home, that day because I went out to practice. Coach Grude's trying to talk to me about it and everybody's trying to talk to me about it because I'm being a bitch in this situation. I'm being very salty about it. And when I go home, I'm like thinking to myself like, hey, if I don't prepare and go all in on these base reps, however many reps I do get, and I happen to play badly, all I'm going to be telling the staff and everybody else is that I'm proving them right for going with spate. Like

spate's going to be the guy. And then if I play poorly in my base reps, like he'll take over the entire spot. But if I don't go out and do everything I can to control my situation, which I was going to be the starting Mike Backer in the base package, and if I play well, then hopefully I can just build on it from there. Played well in that Dallas game, and the next week we're playing the Vikings, get a phone call, hey, you got the keys, you're rolling with the green dot, you're taking over for all of it. So that's, like, that's an experience I think about when I think about this Devondry Campbell is because, again, it's like you can piss him on all you want, but the moment you go out there, you quit on your team or you play poorly,

you're just proving everybody else right that they made the right, that they made the right call to go with a guy who's itching to come back, ready to come back, who's ready to sacrifice for the team and to make a run for the playoffs when you're kind of just fucking quitting on everybody.

Right. Show so much you cared about the team. I had a situation, it was like 2019, no, 2018. And they were playing the Saints. And it was like the second and last game of the year, Saints are an NFC team.

And the last game of the year, I think it was the Texans. And we were in this situation where for whatever reason that game like didn't matter from like a record standpoint it wasn't going to affect our seating going into the playoffs but the next game did so i think tana hill got like half the snaps derrick got like didn't play any of the snaps and there's a bunch of players that were getting rested for the next week and i found myself sitting there like i played every single snap of that game

or i wasn't even told that i was getting a break and i was finding out before where it felt like a preseason game we're like there you're sitting this guy's doing this is doing that and i felt like upset about it. Because I was like, why, why didn't I get? I decide this contract. You get into a mode of just like thinking selfishly about yourself. And then you see everybody else around you kind of getting this like, you know, this stressful time of year when you want to have a little bit of a break too.

If you're afforded the opportunity, which we were at that point, you want to have the break. And then you see a couple other guys. But at the end of the day, I went out and played over snap. Like you got to go and do those things. And yeah, it took a series or two because I found out like 90 minutes before the game. So I'd have a little come to Jesus talk with myself in the best. bathroom like listen

no one's coming to save you yeah you got to fucking embrace your situation embrace situation and it sucks as we the thing it's easy to sit on a microphone after everything's over and be able to talk and be like this is how everybody should operate and act

but we just show two examples of like as a player you easily find yourself falling into feeding the bad wolf we're like well people are getting X Y and Z why aren't I getting that you're like comparison is a thief of joy right and so now it goes back to what J.P was just saying

and Channing Crowder said you're just it's your job like if they're told you're told to do something you just go and do it you're getting paid a crazy amount of money to go play a sport so i think the soapbox is we're good on the soapbox yeah yeah yeah but it's just wild man jr you said alshan got here alshan's here all right should we hit um who who's over there with him do we have somebody over there with him so we can finish out this intro j rod jay rod and coop i can jump over there yeah okay let's do uh yeah jp Why don't you go over there since the ties? Let's hit these ads real quick.

Huh? We can recalver. Yeah, I just want to text me or... What do you want to do? You want to do a little shout-out, no-free shout-out? I can play a little bit of our... I do have a shout-out, no-free shout-out. I do as well.

And it's the syringe for medicines for little kids. Rue was sick over the weekend, and it was a battle getting medicine down. She never wanted to do it. And ultimately, it got to the point. point to where I'm pissed off and I'm like, hey, I'm going to hold you down. If you don't take this medicine, I'm trying to give her, we're trying to give her cookies. We're trying to talk about cookies and ice cream.

We're trying to talk about all these things to get it like, hey, just do this. We'll throw on Little Bear, we'll throw on all your favorite things. We need you to take medicine because, sweetheart, you have a fever and we have to get, this medicine is going down one way or another. Yeah. Do it willingly. Yeah. Do the easy way or do the hard way.

Yeah. Yeah. And ultimately, I'm having to hold her arms and screaming. Yeah. And she's like, Blu-R-R-Drew. I, like, wrote that tweet, I feel like I'm like waterboarding my daughter

and you feel bad. So where she's like, blah, and then you kind of look over and you start kind of like, you start chuckling a little bit because you just realize this. And it tastes good.

That's a crazy thing. I'm like, hey, dad isn't going to taste some too. And I'm like, oh, these tastes like sweet- like this tastes fine, like rude, just take the medicine.

It's like getting a dog medicine, dude. You should like grab by the mouth real quick, shoving the back of the throat and like close her mouth and blow on their nose and they swallow. Oh, my pushing too arch.

She's kind of choking a little bit. Like, let's see. All right, here, take some water. All right, round two. Right. Yeah. Just a little bit left. A little bit left.

Four or six hours. We've got to reboot this thing and get it done. Dude, how about kids when they're flailing? And it's kind of like if you really thought about it, you're thinking yourself, you're doing everything you can to get out of this. And it's not even hard for me. I know. Yeah, I know. I know.

I know. And also, dude, my children, when they throw temper tantrums, they always have a way of finding my testicles. They always figure out how to fucking flail those feet, dude. and they're just fucking hitting those things every time. My four-year-old, she was tripping about something the other day. And I picked you up and like, sweetie, relax. She's like, no. Legs start going crazy. She was like,

like body bagged the things for a minute. I'm like, how the fuck? How do you hit that? It is funny how upset they get and it internally like pisses you off in a way. You're like, all right, we're about to find out. You're about to really find out about your dad in his strength right now. And I'm thinking about, I am a psycho

for thinking this way. Dude. Yeah, yeah, two years old. I'm like, all right. All right, I see your test to me. You want to go, you want to shout at the title right now. A little early to make that call, but I guess I'll fucking, I'll let you have one. Yeah.

Yeah, dude. The message, shout out the syringes. So what is a good thing? Yeah, the ones where you can, like, you can pull it up and then you're just having a syringe. So that way you're not like trying to get them to take it from a spoon or have them drink it. You just get the, because they'll, like, bite their teeth and not try to not let you execute it whatsoever. Get it in there. I'm like, holding her jaw and cheek.

And I'm like, all right, here we go. And you feel terrible. I hurt you way worse than it hurts down. Yeah. After they're all done, they kind of like relaxed, like eating some Cheerios, watching a show or something like that. And you walk up, you're like, hey, you want to talk about what happened out there? But they've completely moved on.

Like I've fully tortured her. And then I'm like, you did it. You did it. Yeah. Yeah. You did it. Here's some water. That is awesome.

My shout out. No, first shout out goes to Christmas magic. And my wife started a tradition. It is such a pain in the ass that she started this tradition. But she does these. things the first of December all the way to Christmas she has this thing called Christmas magic and she bought this little like house type of thing and it has these little drawers that has 25 little drawers and yeah yeah yeah kind of like that's are awesome and she tail in hand writes

riddles and ties a bow on them and when she puts it in there the light turns on of the little house so the kids know the Christmas magic is here then it can be a whole bunch of different things like it was making ornaments one day it was finding a bunch of of toys you don't use anymore. We're going to go donate it to kids that can't have toys. And the one yesterday was just getting the PJs, whole family in the car. We all got T's and just go look at Christmas lights.

Call up a buddy who does lights. I'm like, hey, what's the best place in town? We go to this gated community. We tell them we're so-and-so. We dive into there. We go and just, it's so funny how kids' attention spans work because they're having such a great time in the moment where the lights are being seen.

But traveling, the 10 minutes to go see the lights, it's, I'm bored. I want this song. Can we have a Christmas story, not a Christmas song? And they're fighting about what Christmas song it is.

And then all of a sudden, it's like 10, 15 seconds of pure joy and bliss. Yeah. Look at those lights. What about those? I'm thinking notes for myself. I'm thinking myself,

I got to up my game. I'm seeing some of these houses out here. I'm thinking I got to figure out how to have a Griswold type of Christmas. You know the Griswolds? Yeah, yeah. What's the movie? I'm asking you.

The Christmas vacation. That is correct, sir. Nice. Good pull. I get worried about you when comes to the movie. I know, I worry about myself. But yeah, dude, Christmas magic. She literally handwrites these riddles and just total all-time mom move.

These kids are going to grow up and they love it. And my daughter, my seven-year-old win, she is like full Santa mode right now. She's fully in to the belief, all of it. So much so to where I'm getting to the point I'm like, I feel guilty. I'm kind of just lined her. You need me to make a call? No, you will never get that call again. Hey.

Don't with the bed or you will not get Christmas present. Oh Stop pissing the bed Dude that was When are you gonna be a good little girl now No more pee in the bed Or Santa will not come Is he really not gonna come?

I was like no no He's gonna say Santa's telling a joke I'm thinking to myself Go to bed, go to bed Will what the fuck was that I thought you wanted to stop pissing the bed Dude that was so funny

How old was Rue then Was that last year or two years ago That was like two years ago That was before I came Yeah I was like right before Rue Yeah, we didn't have one yet. God, I would love to hear Will do that call now because you know Will would be like,

hi, sweetie, how are you? Like, just understand. You're like, hey, I'm like in the middle of Whole Foods, sticking out cheese. No, Will's just like fucking playing a video. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't do that shit. You're not going to get anything, right? Oh, I heard you been peeing the bed. Dude, did you, how about the video I sent you of Wynn?

Yeah, it's a funny video. Dude, I got to show you guys this video. So Wynn has done this new thing where she, like, spies on me and my wife. And I said something. Because of dad. I said something. the other day, man. While I was walking,

I was like, fucking something. And she's like, dad, why are you always saying fucking? And like perfect pronunciation exactly the way I say it. And dude,

my wife and I, I just trying not to laugh at this thing. And I was like, oh, no, we're talking about ducks. Mom's like, yeah,

daddy really loves ducks. Yeah. And she's like, she's like, uh, my, Taylor's like, use an example of how,

uh, daddy uses that. And she goes, let's like, let's say there's a girl over there. And dad will be like that fucking girl. Or she, and you pointed to you're like,

and tattoo. And then you hear, Taylorin going into let's get more information. She's like, well, how long you've been hearing that? She's like,

like, like, three years? Three years are saying a number out there. She's like, oh, from dad. Yeah. Hey, the wild thing too is is when she said to dad,

I just pointed at tail in. Like, hoping my point might, like, would have enough energy to take her over to tail and to like take over that? But yeah, dude.

She didn't say it though. Like, we had that little moment. She said to y'all, I've been hearing this word, I've been hearing this word for three years now. Yeah.

Dude, I was on... How long you've been hearing that? Like three years. Bro. And I just literally... I was like videotaping it. And I had to send him to Will and he just sent him like a bunch of haze.

I'm thinking to myself, am I a bad dad? Not in those moments. You're like, damn. Kids hear everything, bro. Everything. Everything. That did unlock a memory of...

I remember like spying on my parents from other rooms. Yeah. Like I truly remember that. Like sitting like on... You go to bed. They're up in the living room talking. You want to know all the conversations.

All the conversation. And you can't even hear it sometimes. you're just like sitting there and you're watching them interact and then they're like, why aren't you when you hear him talking about you? Oh, yeah. In school or something? Oh, yeah.

Bro. Breaking news, David Montgomery out and definitely MCL injury probably done for the whole season. Lions might be folding. Fuck, man. I don't, dude. If there's a man that can do it, it's dead. I was going to say if there's a team of culture or staff.

A culture they can do it, it's damn. I hate that, bro, because they've been having a fucking year, man. and they've just been they've been getting hit with the injuries lately that sucks man that does because they really could be the team they really could win it all dude I want to tell you guys about something special

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Is it a little something extra? What is it? But it's really just the love of the game. Yeah, well, let me tell you something. Yeah. Yeah. And the way he talks to. Good coach.

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Please. Here is coach John Gruden. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Buswood Boys. Very special guest with us today. We have a legend of Clay High School. A legend of Dayton, Dayton College, quarterback. We have a Super Bowl winning coach, Mr. John Gruden. Hey, brother.

Yes, sir. We are excited to have you on, man. Obviously, we just had you in the locker room. That show's already come out. But your passion, your love for football. And you never know with some of these personalities you see. I remember watching you with, like, the draft experience, and watching you get up with players and having quarterbacks talk about it.

And you got that look in your eyes like you do right now, having them draw things up. But you truly, you truly love eat and breathe football. Where did that passion start? Yeah, I do, man. That's why I love being here. you guys. My dad was a coach. My dad coached at Indiana. He coached at Notre Dame. He coached with the Buccaneer, so I kind of grew up going to the locker rooms, idolizing players, wanting to be a coach. I played at Dayton. I wasn't very good. My high school is no longer

around. They closed the doors. So I don't have any tapes to show you or prove what kind of player I was. But, you know, when you grow up knowing what you want to do at a young age, and then you have an opportunity to get your foot in the door, it's just been that way from the beginning. How much of a learning curve was it like getting around your old man and when you were getting integrated into coaching, just understanding the work that goes into coaching football, the sacrifice that goes into coaching football. Because it's like you sit there as players and I've always had aspirations of coaching, but coordinators like coaches of mine would always just say, hey, if you find something else to do, you might want to look into that because every, all the work you put in

to be a player, it's like, you know, it's tenfold when you're coaching because you're there from start to finish all around the clock. I mean, I was lucky because my dad knew people. people and I was able to get started probably ahead of some other guys would. And I got started at Tennessee. The volunteers, they were in a sugar bowl. We beat Vinny Test Verdi. So I got around Walt Harris, a great offensive coach. And I was lucky, man, because when you're around people that know the game inside and out that can set the tone and put you on a routine and you try to accumulate knowledge every day and challenge you, that's just the environment I've always been in and the one I've tried to create. So, uh, anyways, it goes by fast. Look, look at me now. I'm on busing with the boys.

Let's go, man. Hit the big time. Of all your accomplishments, there's got to be top five. When you, uh, coach for, uh, your graduate assistant, right, for the Tennessee volunteers, do you hold any love for the volunteers now? Are you a fan of the balls? All the places you coached at, do you like still hold it near, oh God, I love Tennessee. I met my wife there. My wife cheered at Tennessee. I was a cheerleader. My wife. My wife, was dating Johnny Major's son. Johnny Major is legendary coach at Tennessee. She's dating

coach Major's son. And they broke up and I went in for the kill, man. But I absolutely love Knoxville, Tennessee. Love the volunteers. We have property up in the Smoky Mountains, Sevierville, near Dollywood, and we go back a lot. We just love it.

And we're in the playoffs, too. Who are your college teams of Tennessee and Indiana? Are those the two? Well, my dad coached at Indiana and Notre Dame. I coached at Tennessee, University of Pacific who dropped football in the Southeast Missouri State University of Pittsburgh. You were at Simo? Yeah, one year.

No shit. Cape Girardo, man. I was getting a little nervous. I saw when I saw Dayton on the Wikipedia playing college football there, I was thinking, I wonder if he has any love for Ohio State. But it seems like you just stay in the Indiana category, huh? Yeah, pretty much. I mean, I loved my experience growing up in Ohio.

My dad coached at Dayton, made a lot of connections there. What a staff he was on at Dayton. John McVey, who became the 49ers GM, was the head coach. But most of my ties are places I've coached. Those are the things I can remember the most. Yeah. What do you think about this Barstool media world? Yeah, man, it's totally different.

You know, I never had a Twitter page. I never had anything. I don't know anything about social media. I used to give everybody a hard time about doing it. Now I'm taking selfies, you know, with George Brett in the airport. I mean, it's really awkward and different. It's a wild game. Even when we finish a locker room, you're like, hey, put your helmet on.

Let me yell at you a little bit. Get this on camera. So it seems like you're diving in the game quickly. I'm trying. And I got some great guys, as you know, the guys that run the place, Dave, Portnoy. These guys are interesting, man. They're really creative, to put it mildly. I got to go on the golfing thing with Frankie and Trent.

We had some people come down to my office last weekend. And I'm anxious to see what is going to unfold. But I just want to do good. I want to be part of the team and try to find my role. Yeah, you told them to cut you if you're not producing. That's what I said. I said, give me out of here. I got a couple things I'm getting better at.

And this is all part of the seasoning process. Hanging around with you two guys. Yeah. You know, I'll steal some ideas from you. This is a hell of a setup, man. It's about, you know, telling the truth, having some fun, making some people laugh and making them think outside the box a little bit. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like getting to have this. Like, you know, we were talking about it. either on the locker room or outside of it, what you miss the most is the camaraderie. You miss the locker room. Unfortunately, we get to have people on like yourself,

players that are currently playing ex-players, to where you still kind of get that feeling, that ball busting, they're having fun, having some laughs. Because you do, you just, you miss the locker room so much when it's over. Oh, It's what you can't duplicate,

but you guys are doing a pretty good job of it. You know, just giving guys shit. That's what I tried to do every day. I tried to stir the pot, man. I'd come in there one day and try to make you guys laugh. Yeah. And I'd go to any extreme measure I had to go to make you laugh too. Because sometimes you guys are grouchy bastards every day.

No doubt. You know, and they need to laugh. You got to make them laugh. And then the next day I might try to fire you up. Hey, Luan, let's, you know, and in the next day you might really try to piss them off. Like, I might really try to piss Wilcompton off today. So you got seven shades of smoke when you're coming in the office. Well, you want to.

What's Rudy and are we going to get? Well, you just don't want to just install 22 Hank. And here's, you know, here's 18, Bob. after a while you know you get a little bit bored you got to try to make it fun and uh you try to stimulate your guys and i think that's when they play their best who's the best pot stirring coach you've been around ray roads Ray Rhodes Ray Rhodes was the head coach of the Eagles when I was the offensive coordinator he was a secondary coach of the 49ers when it all started for me he had Ronnie lot he had a great group back there he was a combination of Richard Pryor uh he was a he was a he was

a comedian and he was a great technician a great technical football guy but he would create analogies he would speak in analogies that were awesome and he used those analogies and his teaching methods ray roads was phenomenal one of the great coaches i've ever been around what about motivator yeah motivation motivation i uh i'd be a hard one i'd have to think about that for a minute but i've been around some good ones yeah about you who's the best motivator you've been been around. I mean, Bo Polini was a hell of a

motivator. I bet. Dude, honestly, like I've told Taylor this. I don't know if I've said it on the bus, but you are a hell of a motivator. I mean,

when you're, what was that when I came out there? It was like my seventh year and you're a veteran. You're coming out mid-year. And usually, like, when you're a vet and you've had some years in the league,

you've heard everybody speak. You've heard all the speeches and everything else. But I remember, you just had us after a practice one day and it was getting my piss hot. And it was like one of those things. you're like, yo, this is the fucking, you hear all this stuff about John Gruden and everything else.

Now I get to play for him. And you walk away from just that post-meeting motivational talk he gave. It is. It's one of those things because then coaches try to do it. And it's like you understand what they're trying to do. But it's not like getting you fired up or it's not making you think. You're like, oh, I wonder what Taylor thought about this speech. You kind of go and laugh about it.

But you were somebody that always felt like you had the right words, the right tone, the right time. And so I would say, I would say yourself, coach, Vrable he can get going. I thought I think Vrable is more of matter of fact. Yeah, but Vrable had a way of expressing to you like the keys to the game but in a way they were like

fuck yeah if we just do these three, four things. We are going to win this game. In the night before a game when he'd start running a highlight tape but you tell us they're talking about it's this way they're talking about us that way. Tell me we can't block on the edge. Tell me we can't make plays in space. Tell me we're not, you know, all those different things that would get you fired up.

Your brother, he was more of a, he was more of a comedian. He would take some like rap lyrics or song lyrics and bring it out and we'd like have fun. Jay's awesome. A lot of times I see assistant coaches. I remember when I was in Tampa, we all know Mike Tomlin now as the head coach. He's a great motivator. You should hear him in a room with his secondary guys when I was coaching for the bucks. He was a great boat. But Ronde Barber, John Lynch, he had those guys frothing at the mouth. Rod Marinelli, our D-Line coach was phenomenal. Now, some of my real, you know, bad words I learned. I learned. I learned. from Marinelli.

Yeah. Al Davis was a great motivator, and he used any method to get you fired up. Basaccia. Vasatia was good. I think you'd try to hire guys that can handle their players. I hate assistant coaches that come into your, hey, Taylor Luan was three minutes late. Hey, Will Compton wasn't paying attention in the meeting room. Go get them to pay attention.

That's your job. You know what I mean? I like coaches that can run the show and really get these guys charged up. in their own individual worlds. Yeah. When it came to coaching and you're talking about like one day, you would try to make guys laugh, then motivate,

then piss them off. What, like, how did you learn that I need to go about these different ways to motivate different players? Like, was that something you knew right away as a coach by watching your dad? Or is that something you gained over time? Well, pretty much you're not,

when you're the head coach, you're not just motivating the left tackle. You're not just going into a team meeting to motivate the quarterback or the wide receiver. You're trying to get everybody on a common thread. Everybody's got to see this together. And, you know, I just think the more camaraderie you can generate, the better chance you have. It's a long season. And I think it's important to laugh at each other. You know, get guys up there, have them talk for a minute or two. Bust each other's balls,

including your own. And that worked for me for a while, but I think I pissed some people off. And unfortunately, that's the way it goes. Now, talk talk about you pivoting throughout your career because the game is a lot different now. Your bus and our balls, you guys are much more sensitive these days. We had Mike Allstott on the bus and he's talking about how soft the league is now. Like how have you had to kind of adapt your philosophies over time? Yeah, I mean, I did Monday Night Football for nine years. And during those nine years, I got away from the players association, how practices have changed. You know, you can't hit the quarterback below the leg. A lot of different rules have come in. Players

safety, big issue. But the big thing is coming back and coaching, you have to adapt to the rules, but you still have to push the envelope. You got to create repetitions. Repetitions, the mother of learning, whether it be walkthroughs,

whatever it is. We have to develop players, and you guys will admit these college kids coming out, they are not as far along as people think they are. A lot of these guys are transferring year to year. They're only one year starters. They're really raw and you need time to spend with them, but you got to push the

envelope. You got to adapt to the circumstances that are laid out for you. Go ahead. We were talking about the transfer in the NIL and the last episode of Bustin with the boys, how it's got to be so difficult as a college coach to go up to a player and be like, these are the things you need to work on and be a little bit harder on them, a little more tough love on them because those be like, I'm just going to go somewhere else and get paid the same amount. Do you think there's going to be like a drop in the talent level in the NFL in the next five to seven years with guys not kind of because you have to be forged in fire a little bit when it comes to college you have to go through the shit the 6 a.m. winter conditioning type of

situations and a lot of guys when it gets too difficult now they'll just leave and if they're not pressed to move forward and grow they're going to be a less than player do you think there's going to be a you'll see it'll be raw without mental toughness yeah raw without mental tough well you just said the thing i i think is the key ingredient in being a pro football player it's mental toughness i don't care where you go what round or who you play for you're going to to get your ass knocked off in the NFL. And the media is going to jump on you. That's just the reality of it. And if you don't have mental toughness to lean on, you're out. You're going to be gone early. But I worry about the state of college football, what we're doing. I mean, these guys are

pulling out of bowl games. Guys are in the NIL portal before the season is over. How would you look at your teammate if you had a left guard playing next to you at Michigan? It's entering the portal before you play in a bowl game. That would probably piss you off. Especially the playoff, like the portal's open now. It's like these teams are going to try and make a push to win a national title. And you've got guys kind of flirting with the next girl. Yeah, I have no cool, bro. It's got to be, just because when Will and I were in college, it was you pick a school, you're at that school for four years.

If you want to transfer, you have to sit out for a year and lose a year of eligibility. So there's a lot of risk if you want to make it that dramatic of a change. So you either, you know, buy in or get the fuck out. And I could not imagine sitting next to a left guard or a tight end and blocking with them while they're like going going going to go to some other school, whether it's in the SEC or another school in the Big Ten. That's got to be difficult for players to deal with. The worst one would be just knowing a guy's bitching about the situation and you're trying to go like win a football game. Yeah. It's like brother, we're trying to win this game.

That's all it matters. And Will and I are big drink the Kool-Aid guys. Like we when we were playing our sport on our team, it was like we're living and breathing and dying for that team. I really didn't want our scouts to bring in a lot of players that were transferred players, guys that quit at Michigan and went to Notre Dame and went from, I wanted guys that were finishers that started and finished the job, signed up and executed their mission. Now you're going to have to adapt to that philosophy. You're going to have to take some guys that are bouncing around.

But I've met with some of these kids that have entered the portal. And a lot of it has to do with their situation. They don't have money. They don't have two parents. They weren't raised with everything given to them. They don't have any money. And all of a sudden you get somebody off for you $700,000 or $600,000. You can't blame these guys for chasing their dream and improving their family situation.

If you never had money before, it's hard to look at $700,000 and say, no, I'm going to hold out and wait. But there's another train of thought, too, is like if you've been broke your whole life, what's being broke a couple more years and being a part of something special. Yeah. That's kind of the selling point. If like you're a Kenny Dillingham from ASU, it's like, listen, we can't. can't offer you all the money in the world. But something special going on here, and eventually you're going to make that money. It's just hard, man.

Yeah, they just need to find a way to not make a free agency all year around. Yeah. Because as a coach, you're already recruiting your ass off to get the next guys in, but you've got to recruit your ass off for the guys that are there. And then these portal situations and opportunities open up while you're in the middle of a season. So I just feel like something, there's got to be a solution that's going to come. Well, you guys come from the big time.

You guys come from Nebraska, Michigan. I played at Dayton. You know, I got friends at coaching a mid-American conference. Just picture yourself at Toledo or Western Michigan or Kent State. You're coaching your ass off. You find these players that aren't five-star players that are maybe one-star players. You feed them. You develop them.

And as they become all-conference players in the mid-American league, sophomores or juniors, here comes Nebraska, here comes Michigan. You take all my players, man, and you pay them. And what do I get? You know what I get? I get nothing. That pisses me off. man. So the smaller schools are the ones that are getting punched in the mouth. And, you know,

that's just part of the program right now. The friends and coaches that you know and have, are they, is like some of their philosophy, just recruiting guys about, hey, you can be, this, this could be a stepping zone. I'll get you to the next league. Yeah, I mean, recruiting now is, it's a totally different deal. You got some guy walking in your office that's managing, hey, I got Taylor the one and Wilcompton. This guys represent you to. guys. And he's telling me, hey, if you want Luan and Compton, you got to pay him this and pay him that. And if you pay me, I'll make sure you get these two guys. So now you're dealing out, you're dealing with a lot of variables that has nothing to do with football. And it's a problem.

It's a problem. That's a good point. Didn't you tweet something yesterday about agents taking 20%? Yeah. Look, there's, there are agencies and I mean, you were with CAA. Like there's agencies where you get, Like in the NFL, it's bigger contracts, bigger money to where you're paying the 1 to 3%. And then if you have like a marketing rep, there's like a 10 to 20% cut that they take if they were to get you twist the tea or body armor. You know what I mean? To be like in a commercial. So I understand that there are quality agencies that command 10 to 20% in total off of, you know, $200,000. I understand that.

The problem I have is knowing that you have and you learned about in college that these runners that take place, like you could be represented by, coach gruden he's your agent he's your agency i could be somebody that goes to tennessee nebraska michigan just doing my own thing and getting your market understanding hey if taylor hit the portal what would he be worth 400 000 500 000 600 000 and then i dm and message you and start to poach and do all these things and i know nothing about your situation your experience anything i'm just trying to make a quick buck off you because i know i can get 20% if i start dangling these carrots in front of you like hey i know you're with him making 300 000 but I'm telling you right now, I'm feeling the temperature out there.

You can make up to 700,000 if you come with me. And so there's just so many muddy waters. Nobody's out there, you know, telling all the truths of it all because everybody, it's just an open market. The business has got to figure itself out. College football has got to step in and put some parameters somewhere. And guys, unfortunately are going to have to, kids are going to have to unfortunately learn the hard way at times.

It's going to have to sort of self out. But that's like the issue I have is knowing that I get it. It's a business. It's an open market. We live in a free market. We want players to get paid. college football makes millions and billions of dollars off this stuff. I understand all that.

But we know at the same time, too, like we were those players, we were those guys in college, and you understand how important development is, how important adversity is, how important being forged in the fire is. And maybe you are in a situation where, hey, you should transfer. There's a lot of guys that just get the wrong information and bad information, and they're getting bad mentoring or they're getting no mentoring at all. They're just chasing money when it's like, you know, I just hate to see that happen with kids. I know.

I'd to see that happen with college football because it hurts the problem. And ultimately leaks into the NFL to where that's, you know, that becomes a bad product because the fundamentals and technique is off. It's way worse just because of the quality these kids aren't going and choosing football because they want to be great football players. They want to. They think they want to, but then they get bedazzled by money and everything else. And again, I understand it. I just hate this Wild West that we're living in because it's hard to figure out what this NIL world is because nobody really talks about it a whole lot. There's a lot of shit that goes on.

That was really fucking well. I mean, that was well said right there. I mean, think about it. Like, you know, Coach Norvell, he's with Colorado State. He was kind of talking on it. But coaches can't speak on it too much because you don't know all the legalities going on. You're in with the NIL collective. Like, they have their own stories and drama.

Coaches understand what their situation is. Players understand what their situation. It's just, it's fucking bizarre right now. And as a coach, as a college coach, your whole thing with these young players is 18 to 22 year olds is all about limiting distractions. And when we were, you know, oh, I was 09 to 30. You were 08 to 12. Yeah. When you're,

when you're there in college, then it's a game of like limited distractions with alcohol, with assholes and women. Like that, those are the big three pillars. Now you're throwing money in the whole thing too, because as a player, you're looking at that pot of gold at the end of the,

at the dark tunnel. But now there's little flickers of lights with a little bag here, a little bag there that can get you on the wrong path. And then you don't get forged in the fire. You lose a technique and you become a lesser football player that hurts you in the end. That when you're 25 years old, a couple years in the league, that second contract might not be as good,

which would be way more money than you would have ever made in college. So it's a whole thing. I just hate the money hungry runners. It makes it interesting, though. And snakes that are out there. You know, it's really interesting, man, is sitting here looking at you two guys on this bus, man. I mean, I've known you guys as players,

and I've seen you guys on this bus. And to think that you guys have turned this into, I mean, an unbelievable deal. I mean, you guys are killing it. We interrupt this episode to bring you body armor. This episode... What's this episode about us by? No, no, no, keep it in.

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Get yours a day or at a local grocery store near you, drink Body Armor, hydrate with body armor and enjoy the rest of this episode i just i hate to interrupt you guys and change subjects but this n il kind of rubs me wrong but you know success on the field is one thing but transition and like i just for all the young guys out there can you just tell me how you transitioned into this thing right here and have created and reinvented yourselves here this is pretty freaking cool man yeah if you if you want to take the first part of that yeah it's a story we've told a lot on the bus but it is not just right but a lot of players

You know, they get out of football. They kind of search for their next game, their next thing. How did you guys do this? Yeah, speaking for myself, I feel like I was in year six with the Tennessee Titans. And you know, coach, like when I got to play for you, like I cut my teeth into the league with your brother at Washington. And in my situation, if I'm a backup and a special teams guy, I don't want anybody to get hurt.

But if I'm going to get my opportunity, you know, you're going to need the guy to go down in front of you. And then, hey, I get to show them when I'm going to be. I'm about. I can show them that I can rock the green dot, do all those things. And so when I didn't get that opportunity in my sixth year, I'm kind of sitting there with myself, you know, there's things I'm interested in. I know I want to coach. I have the interest in like the real estate. You're trying to figure out where your curiosities go because at some point the game is going to end. It's going to end sooner than you think. It's probably not going to end on your terms like most guys. And so just knowing that

I love podcasting, I end up asking Taylor if he wanted to start a podcast with me. He was all in. And I'm kind of thinking to myself, like, people do make money in this podcasting world. If we could, you know, if we could, you know, have the, if we're able to spin it in transition and use this as a transitional point, like, how great would that be? And so for me, it was like, all right, I'm going to start a podcast. I could play myself out of the league because nobody in the NFL world is really doing it. McAfee retired to go into Barstool Media and then the media in general. But nobody's really doing it. And I know how coaches and I know how front office and people can feel.

about players being on a public platform, especially when it's like I'm not, I wasn't in a situation where I'm getting a big second contract. Like I was going into that offseason, knowing I was going to be a 90-man guy having to make a 53 roster and who wants any of that luggage or extra drama. So I'm like, if I play myself out of the league, but it's, you know, if we're able to transition and create something like, you know, then that's just the risk that I'll take. Fortunately, I got to continue doing it and being on the podcast, doing the podcast, being on the bus, going to play for you, playing with the tighties again and doing it for a few more years. But ultimately for me, it was like, hey, this game is going to end at some point. I need to

understand where my interests are, where my curiosity lies and try to do whatever I can to have the autonomy to do it myself before I have to go like work for the man. And who knows if I'm working for the man if it's going to be in the right situation. When you're done playing football, we get catered to our entire lives. The structure's there. You get a motivational speech. You understand how tough it is. You want to be forged in the fire. You have all those skills to transition. However, you don't get the highs of playing at that, that, that, that, you don't get the highs of playing at that elite level of the NFL, right? Going out there on prime time, winning with a band of brothers.

And when that gets pulled away, a lot of guys struggle because it's like, where's our next roller coaster? Where's our next high? We played on such a high level. The logo, even though they tell you, Coach Gruden, you know, you guys got a sacrifice for this logo. Everything you guys pour into this, we're doing it for a team, team, team. The minute the team is, you're not on the team.

anymore. That logo isn't calling you back to make sure you get your next job. So it was all about how can we control our situation. And I feel like we've been able to create Bustin with the boys. And it's been incredible because the big thing you miss when you leave is the locker room. We've gotten to create something off that. But that's like, that was like my train of thought going into Bustin with the boys. Yeah. And it's, it's interesting because you kind of see like Will and I's pass how different they were entering the NFL because when I got a scholarship offer in Scottsdale, Arizona for the first time, it's from Utah State. Right then and then. I thought to myself, I'm going to the NFL.

Like that is now, my, my path of life has now is very clear. And as a football player who lives, breath, and eats and loves the game of football, you truly think the most honorable death is probably to die in between the hashes. Like, that is kind of the way you want to go. You, you like, you look in the mirror before a game with tears in your eyes and you think, if today is the day I go, like, it's a good fucking day. And it's time to go out there. So for me, I was always a guy that's like, I was never focused on what's next.

I was always focused on right now. And it was, you know, playing well and getting to the NFL. So I go to Michigan, I become a first round pick. And when Will Compton comes to the Tennessee Titans, I just signed the biggest deal in NFL history for an offensive lineman. To me, everything is going according to plan where I'm not seeing the inevitable end of what every player has to go through, even if you're Tom Brady, who can beat father time.

Like you are always going to, the game's always going to walk away from you before you walk away from it. So when Will approaches me about doing the, a podcast. I'm thinking to myself, dude, like, I guess. And I just, in my head, I compartmentalize it as like, well, people do real estate, people do stocks. Like, this is the same thing. It's just an investment. I just happened to be in the public eye. And you mentioned it in the locker room. I'm not like your stereotypical office alignment, a seen, not heard type of guy. I'm very much seen and very much heard. So, like, it was an opportunity for me to kind of like allow this personality

to come out. And it was like, you know, to me, I thought, like, I don't know what this is going be this might be just a fun little game guys take a couple hours a day play video games in there at home it's like you're coming and yeah just coming for a couple hours coming rip in a podcast and it turned into this and it couldn't have happened at a better time i remember i bought so the the house i live in now i bought the land and i was building and will and i were walking around the property and it was right it was like right before the season or right after the season and will's like this is my last year i don't want to do it again i played that game with him for three more years every year it was this is my last year i don't want to do it again and then it was like you know maybe i can sneak in get rid of camp

And then he started playing the game. And so while we're both still playing in the NFL, Boston's kind of just like chugging along and getting more and more followers. People are more and more into it. We got a bar stool early and often, which you're going to come to find out as like the greatest teacher in this world. It gives you the ability to be yourself, unapologetically, be yourself, the good and the bad. And everyone would be like, that's all right.

You're a part of barstool. You can do whatever you want here. And so it is, it's interesting how it all turned out. And you just kind of look back and you're like, it's kind of fucking crazy. Like in my mind, I'm like, I kind of just looked into this. I kind of just like fell into meeting Will

and Will wanted to do this and he didn't, he wanted the safety blanket of doing it with somebody else. And I happen to be a safety blanket. I mean, we had our chemistry too. Yeah, I mean, it's a beautiful. Like when you sign the big deal, there's a part in my brain. I'm like, well, the team won't be able to touch him

because he's the highest pay player on their team. If I play myself out, I'm just not going to get a phone call again. Yeah. It's like, fuck it. We know, we knew we had three years of guarantee to do what you want. It ended up working out.

Yeah. And ended up working out for us. Coach Gruden ends up calling and I go out to, I go out to Oakland. Yeah. I go out to Oakland. But you've dealt with a lot of transition too when you were going from the NFL into commentating. Like a lot of coaches try to do that.

A lot of coaches try to dip their toe into the media space. But you came in and you murdered it. The ability to know what every player's college they went to and their mascot. And you just talk about guys as if you've known them for 20 years. How did, how was that transition for you from going from coaching to media? Well, I was a communications major in college. I always wanted to do the news. I always wanted to be a sportscaster, really, if I wasn't going to coach.

Excuse me. Oh, you're good. If you want to answer that too, do whatever you got to do. You kind of want to take that, don't you? No, I'm sorry, I didn't turn it off. But Mike Tariko was the key for me. I mean, I got fired. I was really humbled.

I was really down. And the NFL network called me and asked me to come to the combine and do some segments covering a combine. Steve Mariuci is a friend of mine. He says, come on. So I got right up to the combine. I said, I can't do it. I was just humiliated.

I didn't want to go to the combine and see all my coaching friends after just being fired. I was embarrassed. So Mooch says, come on, let's go. So I ended up doing it. And I guess I did pretty good. And some guys at Monday Night Football saw me, and we had a chance to interview. But when I met Toriko, long story short, he helped me big time. He threw me great fruits that I could hit.

He would hit me, you know, and probe me. And he really helped me with my preparation and my confidence. But it was a transition. It was pretty interesting. I really enjoyed the three-man booth when we had Jaworski up there because we would bust each other's balls. And it was almost like three guys at a bar watching a football game. That's what I felt like.

But it was a great transition, a lot of fun. And it allowed me to get to tapes, keep studying. We got our quarterback camp going in the spring, which kind of kept me going with the draft. and ultimately led to my return to the Raiders. Unfortunately, I didn't last long. Talk about how hard it was the transition. You were talking about being embarrassed and humiliated.

You were like a Super Bowl winning coach, and you were somebody who got traded. Yeah, well, that was hard too. But, you know, when you get fired, you guys know how it is. Eventually, even you got cut. That's it. Maybe you decided yourself, but maybe you saw the writing on the wall. At some point, somebody says, hey, you're out.

trigger. Yeah. You're fired. And it catches you. But when I did go back, it was a lot different. The world had completely changed. What's really hard is hiring a coaching staff. When you're the head coach, the most important thing you've got to do is hire the right

coaches. I'm going to call the plays and coach the quarterbacks. That's just how I did it. But you better hire the right defensive staff. You know, you better get the right personnel group around you that sees the vision that you have for the team. or vice versa. We have to see it the same way,

but that was a big challenge is surrounding yourself with guys that you grew up with. A lot of those guys had their own jobs. They couldn't get out of their contracts. It's a pain in the ass, man, getting your network together on the same staff so you can go in and do what you want to do.

When you are picking out those coaches, you're talking about your buddies, how hard is it to get a phone call from a guy that you may be known for a long time that you know is not the right person for the job? What's that conversation along? Oh, man, it's hard. You know, you got to say, I'm going in another direction.

And you lose some friends. It's hard to have a lot of friends. You know, sometimes you got to turn a guy down. You can't do it. You got a job open. Hey, I need the job. I don't have a job. I need this job.

And you got to let them down. And sometimes it costs you. But there's a lot of hard lessons and mental toughness that you got to understand come with being the head coach. Yeah. When you were in media for those nine years was the goal always to get back in the NFL and be a coach. it was initially. I thought I'd be right back in doing something. Right.

But the more I got around Torrico and Jaworski and the, dunk, dun, dun, dun, I mean, I fucking love that song, man. Yeah. And there was a certain, as a kid growing up, I love Monday Night Football. My mom and dad would let me stay up to watch the highlights at halftime. Howard CoSell and Frank Gifford. I felt honored to be on Monday Night Football. But I ultimately knew I had to get back on the sidelines.

And I still miss it, man. I still would like to take one more swing. But right now I'm busting with the boys and I'm with bars stool and I'm having fun, man. Are you hoping to get back on the sideline? Well, I mean, you know, fantasy. I live in fantasy world a little bit. I'm no different than I was when I was 18 years old. You know, I fantasize about stuff and I still fantasize about getting a can of whoop ass

and going out there with a bunch of guys and just kicking a shit out of some people. I just like that competitive game day feeling. You know, you can't get that anywhere else, man. The butterflies, the juice. We were a smelling salt guy. No, I never did that. I never had to do that. The smelling salts were always, it just adds that level of anxiety to a whole new fun level.

Yeah. But dude, when the Jets fired for their head coach, I think it was a booger came out. And he's like one name you need to think about right now is John Gruden. And for the last couple of years, your name wasn't really thrown around the whole coaching realm. And all of a sudden, your name is now starting to find. its way back in the NFL. When you start to hear that, are you getting phone calls about anything? Or are you just the media starting to talk and you're letting them do their thing?

Because that's how everything works. All it takes is one person to say your name. And then it's slowly like a snowball. It just starts getting bigger and bigger as it rolls down a hill. There's a few conversations, you know. I think the big thing I'm trying to do right now is coach people that I have the FFCA. I have an office. You got a fantasy factory down there.

I have my own. I got my videotapes and I'm obsessed with it. We have a lot of coaches, a lot of people. players, just different coaching staffs that have come in and we study football. And I really am getting my fix doing that. I really don't need this NIL stuff. I would give me a heart attack. Would you coach college? You know, I might if it was a big program with a lot of NIL money, because I'd buy a lot of players, yeah. And I guarantee I could walk across when we play Nebraska. You know what I'd do after the game? I'd go find the two or three guys that aren't playing a lot

that I like. I'd say, you know what, you ought to get your ass out of here, come play. I would do a good job of that. Yeah. I can see myself. Just snaking around, going behind that rules back. But that's just not how I'm wired. I just, I just am not wired like they're doing business now in college. I can't deal with a lot of this financial, you know, paying you a million dollars in the, the weak side linebacker gets 100. Right. Or this guy here, this guy gets nothing. I just have a hard time with the salary structure and the whole overall operation. But that's just me. When you see a guy like Bill Belichick with the resume that he has looking at UNC, is it

confirmed now? Is he now the Tar Heels head coach? He's willing to coach. At the time we're recording this, the post that I saw was like the North Carolina Tar Heels, they would know their decision within 24 hours. With Bill Belichick coaching now in college. What's your thought process seeing that? I'm not really shocked as many people are. I think he's got a son who's a very good young coach, the opportunity to maybe bring your son with you to Chapel Hill. Chapel, you guys ever been to Chapel Hill? Have not. There's a lot of good stuff there, man.

To go to Chapel Hill, you know, finish your coaching career with your son, perhaps get the program back to where people say, wow, we got to play North Carolina. And maybe someday have your son take over. Maybe that's something that's in the cards. I don't know. But he's got a new girlfriend. I see that all over the Internet. Things don't ever stay the same.

You either get better or worth. And I think Belichick might be looking for something a little different. How would you like to live in New England for 15 years? You know, you might want to go to Chapoil. Go to Chapo. Hey, yeah. A pretty young girlfriend. Have some fun.

Kick some ass and be with your son. You know, I think Belichick is capable of doing just about anything in football. He's already done it. And good for him if he chooses to get into the NCAA. How would you like that, though, if you're coaching in the ACC, you're at Wake Forest, or you're at Duke, you're the Miami Hurricanes and you open up with Bill Belichie. I know. Wouldn't that be cool? Got his cut out of sweater on.

Yeah. I was impressed how well he's done in the media this year. I did not think without all you heard like Gronkowski and Edelman and Brady kind of like chirp about it, talk of how bland he is and how he's kind of like. We got to see it for 15 years. Yeah. Got to see it just kind of talking in the media. Now he comes in.

He's doing Manning cast. He's on Pat McAfee show. And he does an incredible job. Did you expect that? No, I really didn't. But as I said, I, I don't know Bill Belichick like a lot of guys do. I don't hang around with the defensive guys. The offensive guys get on this bus, the defensive guys have always been on that bus.

But I remember when I was coaching the Raiders, I got a call from Bill, and he says, hey, I heard you like Bon Jovi. My wife loves Bon Jovi. I go, yeah, we really do like him. He's playing in San Jose Saturday night. You want to meet him and get two tickets? I see, hell yeah. So I've always been indebted to Bill Belichick.

Oh, that's awesome. He's a cool guy, man. I mean, he is a really cool guy. And I just think it's exciting at his age. to reinvent himself and come back, perhaps, as a college coach says a lot about him. Yeah. You talk about you have this football facility in Tampa. What does your week look like?

Like, when do you wake up? How is your routine on a day-to-day? Yeah, I got to have a routine, you know, Monday through Sunday. I have to have a routine. I always did as a coach. But Monday, I really like to go in there and look for my grinders, studying and looking at the Sunday, the games, the statistics, the playtime percentages, who did what my tapes really come in Tuesday morning.

So Monday I'm kind of getting my boards ready. You know, who really played well in third down, who had the best scoring game? I want to see those games. How did Russell Wilson throw for 400 yards? I can't wait until the tape comes in. But I kind of set up my Tuesday film study based on what I see Monday. And then Tuesday is like an all day.

That's why it's crazy. I'm here flying out on Tuesday. I couldn't get to my tapes, man. But, you know, then Wednesday, I try to work on my presentation. I believe you got to do the preparation. You got to study the tapes. For me to say this guy's playing good,

I want to see that he's playing good. If this guy's playing bad, you read about it, I got to see he's struggling, you know. But I do the preparation. Then on Wednesday, I start the presentation, start to send out my boards, you know, who I like, and I draw all my stuff up.

And then Thursday, I get into some behind-the-scenes things. I like to study Red Zone, just different short-yardage things. different running backs, just different things. But I love to study three hard days. And then I do like to get out on Friday if I can't hit the golf ball. Yeah. What time you're waking up throughout the week?

I get up early, 4.35 o'clock, not like I used to, but my office is right down the street, half a mile from my house. Let me just pause you for a second. You said 435 o'clock, not like I used to. What did you used to get up at? I used to up at 3 o'clock, 317. Every day, 317 was my number. Really?

Yeah, I don't know. What time would you go to bed? I go to bed early. I go to bed at 930, 10 o'clock. I try to be in bed by 10, 10, 10. 10. That's wild. What is that?

What do the hours look like when you are the head coach? Are you there until midnight and waking up at? No, I could never do it at night. And I didn't want my coaches to feel like they had to come in at 3 o'clock or 4 o'clock. I didn't want them to feel like that at all. But I had to get in there early. Nobody bothering you. Nobody's bitching.

Nobody's phone's ringing. I had to focus my constern. on the scripts, you know, the cards, you got to draw the cards, the tip sheets for the quarterbacks. And, you know, I try to get out when the work is done, you know. I did not want to be in there all night. Now, when I worked for the Raiders, Al Davis was a night guy. So I would be a morning guy and an Al would come in at 7 o'clock at night. He almost killed me that first year. Finally, I said, hey, something's got to give, man. I just can't stay in here until midnight. But that was a tough year. My, Al broke me in pretty good, man.

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It's a game changer. Let's get back to this episode. I want to talk about the time you recruited me to come back to the Raiders. Yeah. If you can remember, I'll recall it a little bit. So I was there the last five games for Oakland. We had fun. Like, we weren't having the best season.

Went out on a decent note defensively. And Coach Gruden brings me in for an exit meeting. You know, not like the NIL exit meetings where it's like, hey, you got to pay me this or I'm not coming back. But he brings me in on an exit meeting. Coach Grun's like, I need Will Compton back. Like, you're not going to be a Hall of Famer. You're not going to be a pro bowler. I'm sitting there in my head.

Like, I'm sorry. I'm still playing. like yeah I understand I can't be a I probably won't be a pro bowler but I can still aspire right still have a little bit of juice and the tank could be still could be a pro bowler though yeah yeah yeah right right right right right he's saying this he's like I need I want you around we need more will Compton's on the team and I don't know what's going to happen in free agency yada yada yada because I got to play and start like three games there at the end which I'm thinking of my head when I went out there and I did my workout I was on the squad I was in the

backup all special teams I was starting and based that fucking first one way week. I'm right, Coach Grun comes up. He's like, hey, just don't even think out there. Go out there and make plays that fun. I love you, man. That's awesome. Who would you play the first week?

The Lions. We play the Lions the first week. And so I ended up taking over the job, finishing out those three games. And so I'm thinking of my head, I thought I was coming out there to kind of finish out my career. Like, let me go out there. I'll go out on a bang, have some fun, be for the boys, bring some merchandise, promote busing, and just have a good time.

Because the stress is off of like I felt like my career was kind of, done after I got injured with the Saints. And so it's like, oh, okay, I get to go out here and play. Like, I'm just going to go have fun and finish all playing the game that I started loving. And so when I played those three games, I'm thinking, in my head, like, maybe I might get a little, maybe I might get a little something. I knew I bought myself a year or two, just because I got to play again. I got to have some film.

But they go in to recruit me. They pay $50 million to, like, Littleton and Kikowski, great linebackers, good linebackers. But I'm thinking in my head, like, you know, I thought I might get a little bit of, I thought I might get a little bit of coin. Two or three. Yeah, he'll go. Guaranteed money is what he wanted. Yeah, everyone does. Every player does.

What I'm interested in, though, is I have this philosophy. It's called RCE. You should get a hat and put RCE on it. Recognition, communication, execution. I think you've got to have it at quarterback. The guy's got to recognize the defense. And then communicate the line call, the audible, whatever. And that's going to lead to high levels of execution.

The thing I loved about Will is he could recognize the offense. He could recognize the situation. and he could communicate better than most guys I've seen at linebacker. He was a sharp guy. And that would lead to higher levels of execution. A lot of the yards you see are bullshit yards. Bad tackling, bad defensive entry, mistakes, a lack of recognition, a lack of communication. And if we can have that piece and a secure piece, that's what I was really after.

But you were, let's be honest here, you could come out with that smiley face with that microphone. You wanted guaranteed money, and I can't blame the guys. Go out to California and play football, you know, Vegas. Yeah, that was the first year transitioning to Vegas. Yeah. Because I had a minimum on the table with no signing bonus, which it's like the game's the game. There was no market for me.

So they were in a spot to where it's like, I mean, nothing else is out there for you. We'll offer you this. And, you know, I got PG calling me. He's like explaining everything. He's like, and Coach Gruden's like, I just want you around. I want to see, I want them to see you communicate, all this stuff. You don't have to practice. You don't have to do this.

And I'm thinking to myself, like, I just came out there as a minimum player and proved that I could play, like, the week of the game. Like, I can do the same exact thing and not put wear and turn my body for training camp. Right. And I'm telling us. There's always training camp with you. It was always training camp. It was always training camp for a little. Yeah, it was always training camp. And PG was like, can you call Coach Gruden and tell him the same stuff?

Because he's coming in. He's like, how are we signing Prince of Mukamaro and Nelson Aguilar? And Will won't come out here to the Raiders. I'm like, yeah, I'll be happy to talk to him. I called Coach Gruden. I think he was just finishing a workout. He sounded like he was sweating a little bit. He's like, Will Compton? He's like, you're harder to sign than Keishon Johnson, man.

How do we get you out here to the Raiders? And I'm thinking, yeah, I bet you over Keishon Johnson more than a minimum and a subway gift card. And we're like banter and laughing back and forth. And yeah, I always loved that story. I couldn't wait to tell my old man because he's always been a massive fan of football and yourself. But that's my, like, recruiting story with Coach Gruden.

you're harder to sign than Kishon Johnson. I'm like, well, fuck, Amy, he's getting me. I'm sure you paid him some money. Yeah. You had some characters in that Raiders team. What was your interactions like with Richie Incognito? Love him. Great guy.

Incognito is out of football. He had the episode with Miami. He's out of the league. And we brought him in for a workout. And we have the cone set up. We got Tom Cable, really good line coach. Been with Seattle a long time. And Incognito comes out, and he's listening to Tom Cable,

tell him what he wants him to do. He wants him to hop, basically, the first 10 yards, karaoke, do a couple other things, just to showcase his athleticism and his, you know, whatever, how he can bend and twist. Incognito goes around the thing one time, half speed, and cable goes, I've seen enough. Really?

He's a great out. Incognito's a really good athlete. I have the opportunity to train with that. He went to Nebraska. He's a little full of shit like Compton. But, you know, he has. the it factor that we needed. He had the nastiness. He had the, he has the Taylor Luan personality. He's very outgoing. He's not afraid to say something. He'll make you laugh. He'll piss you off. He had everything

we needed at guard. And he could pull on the power plays and adjust. He has a great ability to get out on screens. But I love being around him. He comes to Tampa. We play golf a little bit. He likes my wife. My wife's about this tall. And he's been through a lot in his life. But he's he's really a character. We had Vantes Burfect. We had traded for Antonio Brown. They put us on hard knocks. Yeah.

What a collection. I was assembly. You guys. I was trying to bring back the old Raiders, the 75, 80 Raiders. You did it. How was it like having Burfect and AB on the same team? Because obviously there's a whole thing about CTE ESPN that AB's doing. And you see that hit that Burrific put on AB.

Yeah. Like was there ever, did you have to make a men's? I never got around Antonio enough. You know, Antonio showed up on a hot air balloon. He had his feet fried. He had cryotherapy. I never even heard of cryotherapy. And he had an issue with his helmet.

He wasn't happy the NFL wouldn't let him wear his helmet. So we really never got him around the guys very much. I didn't have very much interaction with them at all. Really one of the most frustrating things in my coaching career was not getting him to play for us. We had a mini camp. I tell you, we had a mini camp back in Oakland. he put on a display he took some of our routes that we like to call lookies i got all these words he made the routes look better than anybody i've ever seen his conditioning was sick

if we didn't have a fence around the field he might have got killed by a car because he finishes everything he'll run 100 miles an hour i thought i went home and got hammered one night after minicamp i told my wife and said we're going to complete every pass that's how good this guy looked he was phenomenal and unfortunately i never got him for one freaking game what what's the conversation with Mayock when they're like you go out getting like hey what's the problem with ab being they're like doesn't like his helmet oh his feet were fried from cryotherapy what what are those upstairs conversations like when you're trying to deal with a guy like that well mike was a new GM too so a lot of this stuff is his first time and what an experience

it was it was a rough deal and you're on hard knocks by the way yeah yeah then he got vontes perfect but the two of those guys they they mixed pretty good they kind of laugh with one another and ritchie was kind of like the third part of the party Those conversations were great. I can't imagine being a room with them. You talk about busing with the boys. You should see some of the boys I busts with. But I always felt this.

If you have football character on your team, and we felt our coaching staff, we had Derek Carr, we had some really good veteran players, good football character. Let's bring in some characters. So we bring in Burfick. You know,

Burfick really is, he's a great guy, and he's a smart guy. He just knocks the shit out of you. And what's wrong with that? I mean, that's my feeling. And I think if you do have the character in place, you can bring in some characters and have some fun.

And Richie Incognito is a great guy. Don't, don't kid yourself on Bufict either. He's really smart. He's really a hell of a guy. He's misunderstood perhaps by some. And I really enjoyed Antonio Brown. I mean, hell, he went out with my son. He cut a song.

They got a song out there. I'm not even going to tell you the name. We got to find that. We got to find that song. Oh, Sherm will definitely find that thing before days end. And even on Incognito, too, like he was, how old was he? He was like the oldest player on the team. 34, 35 years old.

And he was a pro. I'm talking about whenever practice would end, the massage therapist that'd be coming in, the needling he'd be getting done, like somebody who like took care of his body around the clock. And working out with him in Arizona, he is a guy that like doesn't necessarily look like an athlete, but is truly athletic. Like he has all the pieces of an office line you'd want. And he's stout too. Incognito, yeah. I mean, we remember the COVID where you can't have meetings with the players in person. So we would have Zoom meetings. So you would see all the players on their little, you know, corner. You'd be having an offensive line meeting and you'd see the 15 offensive line meeting. You'd have a team meeting and you could see a lot of the faces. So I remember Incognito one time, took all his clothes off, was walking around in his garage, you know. He just did things that were so off the wall, hilarious to keep everybody laughing.

God bless that guy. The baby face killer, man. Yeah. He hasn't aged a bit. Look at that face. You gotta see him hit a golf ball. He can play. He's an athlete.

He is an athlete, man. Wrong person to get on the bad side with. On the football field. Like he was one of those dudes that was a menace on just field goal. He was trying to finish you on field. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man.

I wouldn't want to deal with that. You want to get him going to hopefully draw a penalty. I wish I was able to play with him. I would have loved to play. I think he was with Buffalo for a minute. And there was a little bit of talk about him coming to the Titans. And I was like, man, that'd be awesome to play right next to him for a year. Well, let me ask you this.

You played one of the toughest positions there are, man. Who are some of the guys now that play left tackle that you look at and say, hey, he's really good. Who are they these days? It's easy to say Trent Williams. He's not playing right now. Yeah. Well, Trent, to me, I think, is the greatest of all time. I think he is from an athletic standpoint, from a strength standpoint,

understanding because with offensive line like you're playing every single snap of the game and they say to go hard every single play he is a true understanding of like if you're the backside on power and you're doing a hinge like you you have a very easy job you take care of the B gap you wing out the ends coming down

you just block him out real quick so he he does a great job of picking and chooses his times to attack in the game a guy that I like I love his feet is Lamarie Tunsell I know he talked about Houston having some struggles but I think his feet or maybe the best feet I've ever seen.

I think Ronnie Stanley, he's got a poetic movement about him when he's in his past set. He's very smooth. And a guy that was injured and has now come back and I play with him, Jack Conklin, talk about a guy that has zero technique,

has zero fundamentals when it comes to playing the position, but just always gets the job done. I like those guys quite a bit. They got a guy in Tampa I really liked as Tristan Worf's. Oh, my God. Yeah, Tristan is a power player playing left out.

Have you seen the video when he was coming out for the draft and he was jumping out of the pool? Who can do that? That type of power is just different. And then we talked about him too is Joe Alt. I like Joe Alt quite a bit too, like a young guy who's found his way on a run heavy offense that I'm a big fan of. And embracing the move to right tackle. Yeah. Because you're talking about that, like some guys that he was telling you at the draft, he didn't want to play right there is right there.

Yeah, that is incredible. It's wild how Iowa gets these offensive linemen. I know, and then white cornerbacks. Yeah, and then Micah Bechton. Was it Micahe Bechton? That's who we were talking about? Yeah, Mackay Beckton. He's the left tackle.

He's out of Louisville. He, you know, he goes to New York, and the media gets on him, and they let him go, and he gets with the right coach and reinvents him, puts him in there at right guard. It's really important for these, the position groups at all times. I'm sure it's important for everywhere, but for an offensive line coach, especially. Because you got DBs. and they're all like, they're not playing as one unit. They all have their own job.

Some might be in zone. Some might be in man. You're playing too high, one high. And then receivers, you have all your different routes. But with an offensive line, it's like truly all five guys have to be on the same page with what everybody's doing. That's just such a different job. You need a good offensive line coach to be successful. You got to have it.

Oh, my God. That's probably the most important hire. Yeah. If you're the head coach, your defensive coordinator and your line coach. You know, you got to get somebody that can be the sixth man. can play both guards and center, a swing tackle. Those are tough jobs, man. What were those conversations like with the swing guys?

When you have a guy like me, I was a guy that only played left. You put me in a right-hand stance. I'm as worth as a football player as you'll ever see. Well, I think the good line coach, well, you're the left tackle. You're the highest paid left tackle. We're not going to talk about you for a minute. But other guys on the practice field, Bill Callahan was my line coach for a long time. He's currently with the tights, his son's a head coach.

Yeah. But he would go out on the practice. this field and we'd have Luan playing right guard. I'm like, Bill, what the hell are you doing? I, you know, and then we got the lawans playing right tackle two days later. But my point is he would create your versatility. He would force you to get in a right-hand stance, a left-hand stance, a two-point stance, a four-point stance. And I think you have to have a line coach and a backup line coach who studies a playside to back side. It's always on your ass every second of the day. Those are what the great ones do.

You know, and I think, as you said, that's a key part of being a great lineman is who's coaching you. We had a, with Rable, Rable was always a guy that would just find his way into the offensive line room. And he would just tell us how to block, having no idea how to block offensive line. He's just like, just getting away. All you have to do, you don't you just position block this guy. Were you ever a guy that would just wander into position groups and just hang out for a little bit? Not really. I was pretty much always on the offensive side, you know, but I would try to reach out to the defensive guys later in the week.

I always had a lot of respect for our past rushers. You know, we have to have a fourth quarter pass rush, or we got no chance. That's why I can't wait to see these playoffs. Warren Sapp, Simeon Rice, you have to have guys that can close you out. And that's why I love the 49ers if Bosa plays. But now without Bosa, without Armstead, they don't have that fourth quarter pass rush. That's why the Chiefs can win the Super Bowl every year, because they do have a great coach and a great quarterback. But they got a fourth quarter pass rush, man.

And if you have those three, you have to have those three elements, I think, to win it. But I was always interested in the game plan of our past rushers. What are you going to do to Luan? You know, what are you going to do to Luan? But as you know, you don't want to be in third and seven. You don't want to have a lot of third mates. You know, and when you do get to third and seven, you got to be careful as a play caller to make sure we have a chip over there.

We got somebody nudging the guy, quick game screens. You've got to do some things to help these guys. because in the noise against some of these guys, it's a bitch, it's a hard job you got. You've either got to chip these guys, slide to the most dangerous pass rush or have a quarterback that can facilitate and get the ball out quickly. That was one thing we had Ken Wisenhunt for 2014 and 15,

and Ken was like, this is my offense, but he's been dealing with Philip Rivers for the last 10 years. So we have Jake Locker and Zach Mettenberger eventually after Jake hurts his thumb, and it's all key right and key left. We're doing six-man's protections. We're not doing chips ever. And we don't have the quarterback that understanding,

the offense well enough to know where his hots are, when to get the ball out, or where the man's side protection is with Vaughn Miller on that side. So it was tough sled for a couple of years. You need those chips. You got to have them. One play that you're obsessed with, Spider 2, Why Banana? What's the obsession?

It's a man, it's a max protection type of situation, a low red type of situation. Why do you love it so much? Andrew Luck. We had Andrew Luck on our show, Gruden's QB Camp. and David Shaw, the head coach at Stanford, was on my staff in Philly and in Oakland. Well, Stanford runs a lot of Spider 2Wi Banana. And I have never met a quarterback coming out of college like Andrew Luck.

I mean, he had everything. 6-4, 240. He could run and probably the smartest guy I've ever met, play the position. So they're running Spider 2Wy Banana at Stanford unlike I've ever seen. And I'm just studying getting ready for Andrew Luck. And I'm seeing Spider-2-Wy Banana, Spider-3-Wanana. The guy's putting on a clinic, throwing, throwing, but Spider 2Wy banana, they must have thrown 15 touchdowns.

I'm not shitting yet. So they're playing USC. Stanford is playing USC. Big game, college football game day is there. Spider 2Y banana is very simple. You hit the fullback in a flat. Or if the tight end pops, you might hit the tight end of the corner. You never throw the ball backside on Spider 2Y banana.

Well, Andrew Luck on Spider 2Y banana against USC throws a pick six. throwing to the backside he called it a lightning route or something so as soon as i got to that play his face got red as a sheet and we busted his balls on that yeah and it just kind of went viral whatever the word is you guys use you know when something hits with fans but it was it was a cool moment and um ever since then spider two wide banana but it is a hell of a play if you're running power if you're running a rock if you're running mike allstad on 96 power and your linebackers are worried about tackling that big son bitch watch out we'll slip a pullback into the flat spider two wide bananas yeah who are some of the teams right now that are kind of in the middle of the pack that

you could see winning the whole thing i think Pittsburgh and baltimore i think someone's going to come out of the north you know i i i still think i still think Pittsburgh's dangerous i mean they're leading their division but when you look at their schedule them in baltimore i kind of consider them as the middle of the pack in the AFC. That's a tough question for me. I really think there's five or six teams that have a chance to win it. I think there's about 20 teams that are getting ready for next year. Yeah.

What is your view of the landscape of football right now, the quality of the product? I just think continuity is a big part of winning. When you look at Andy Reid, he's been there, he's done that. He's been in Kansas City. Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh, John Harbaugh and Baltimore. Timor. Dan Campbell's been in Detroit. Shanahan. Like the teams that are in the money every year, it just seems to me like have been together.

The Philadelphia Eagles, Siriani, has been there now a few years. I just think there's a lot of change over now. Teams change coaches, not just head coaches, offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators. And I think it's a problem with the development of players. You guys can speak on this. When you're a first year player, when you're a rookie, it's an eye-opening deal, man. I don't care what round. But when you came back as your second year in the same system,

that's when you probably showed your most improvement. But when you keep pulling a rug out of you players, and here's a new snap count, here's a new system, it's a hard deal to get better, don't you think? Yeah, absolutely. You're on that, like, level one learning curve in that first year. And then, again, when you go into years two, year three, you're looking at them details.

You're thinking outside the box. You're trying to think more like a coordinator than just your own position. You're thinking about everywhere, everybody else around you, how everything moves around you. But yeah, when it's a new system, it's like you just want to understand like what your job is. Yeah, you understand. You understand the bigger picture going into year two as opposed to just your assignment. For your play calling, was it always the same? Did you always keep the same numbers?

You say 96 power, Spider 2, Why Banana, do you always have the same terminology and phrases going from year to year? Did you ever try to switch it up a little bit? I took a lot of pride in the verbiage. I learned under Bill Walsh with the 49ers, Mike Kohngren. We had a lot of words. and we became very wordy. But when I was out of football and I came back, we realized that a lot of these players,

you know, we got to tighten up our communication. So we can pick up a player off the waiver wire, make a trade, whatever, bring you in and fast track you. You don't have time to learn all these crazy words and what they mean. So we did streamline it a little bit, but we still had a lot to say because we had a lot of formations. We had a lot of motions, a lot of personnel groupings.

and if you want to have a big airport, you want to take flights everywhere, you got to make sure you're organized, you have the ability to do that. I never like these teams that line up and trips right and clap their hands and put the ball in play. You know, I like multiple looks.

If the defense hasn't seen it, they can't prepare for it. It's an illusion of sophistication, but we're just simple and basic. Plays that start off looking the same that are different. You know, there's some common threads of philosophy, I think, that you've got to have if you're going to be any good at it.

How much football do you feel like you forgot when you were in media for nine years, terminologies, your playbook? I probably didn't much just because I have my own computer at home. And when I watch the first play of the game, I type in the formation. A lot of times I even type in the front. So now you save your work and I can come back and be my own quality control guy. It's a sick, obsessed world of football I live in. And that's why it's kind of cool to get out of it.

and it's almost like I'm out of prison or something. I mean, I'm playing golf with these guys, and there's a drone flying around. Me and Trent are playing. We're playing golf. Frankie's on the other team. We're talking, having a good time. I'm like, is this John Gruden?

You know, shouldn't I be in a fucking laboratory, studying a red zone offense or something? And now I'm on the bus with you guys. It's really, you know, wish I'd have done this 10 years ago. It's a lot more fun, man. What can people expect with you at Barstool? It seems like you're bringing back the. Gruden football camp.

We're going to try to bring back Gruden's QB camp, and it won't be the same. It'll have a little different spice to it. But this Dave Portnoy guy, he's something else. And this big cat guy, I really like this big cat. Yeah. I'm just getting to know them. And I got hired really week eight of the season. So it's hard to just create a show and come on.

I mean, you're going to have to put a little time on task and meet with some people. And, you know, I'd like to do something. with you, man. I like to do some with you guys. I don't know. Yeah. But I have a creative mind myself and just starting to scratch the surface a little bit. I've got some people out there that send me nasty texts and messages, you know, to help me get better. And I encourage that. Yeah. You know, I need to help from people. But I really am excited about what could happen. Yeah. Because I know the potential is, is unlimited. Oh, yeah, bro. You just got on top of a rocket ship. Like Barstle has a way of making you more known than ever. Yeah.

How did those conversations go? Dave just hit you up. Like, hey, I'm going to fly to you. I got a message on one of those, you know, I don't know. Twitter? TikToks or whatever. Yeah. My son, Mike, who wrote the song, Nicy, he's my music man.

He says, hey, Dad, Dave Portnoy reached out to you. So to make a long story short, my wife was in a ballroom dancing contest in Orlando. And Dave flew in to see me. And we just had dinner together and talked a little bit. And next thing I know, man, I was in Chicago filming something up there. You know, you walk in, you don't realize what's going on. I mean, hell, I'm just a coach. I walk in there and they're filming stuff.

Hey, what about John Daly? Did you go golf with John Daly? You start talking about it. Next thing, you know, it's out there. Everybody knows about the whole day, you know? But it's really fascinating how it works. Yeah. You know, and the ability that they have to reach so many people on so many different platforms

instantly. And they take a lot of pride in it, you know. They want to be really good, which is what I like. Right. Your Gruden loves football content. I mean, since day one, I like, I consume it. It's like, all right, I'm trying to hope you drop stuff before we do the locker room to hear everything you're breaking down. Because I remember I'm like, I'm not thinking, it's probably his son running the profile, but he's got the Gruden Loves football Twitter profile. And I just DM and I'm like, I need Gruden on Bustin. I'm message with him, but I'm just having fun with the profile. I'm like, I need Gruden on buss with the boys like I need air. And he responds to me like it's him running the whole Twitter account. He's like, oh, you're a Gruden grinder. Of course I'll come on. I'm thinking, oh,

okay, I'm just messing with Coach Gruden again. Yeah. But you know, when you break a game down, what I wanted to do with that is try to take fans into a little bit of the reality of what we go through. 100%. If it's the chargers in the bucks, let's start with top of line things you might want to know. I mean, here's the injury list, right? Here's where they rank statistically. here's how they play on the road. I mean, there's a lot of things that you got to get your mind straight on before you even get in to the

Chargers offense. Let's talk nothing but about Chargers' offense. And I wanted the fans to know who the offensive linemen were, who the receivers were, who the running backs were, who the play caller was. I mean, I spent 20 minutes on a Chargers offense. Here's a couple schemes they like to run. This is the Chargers offense. But they're going up against

Tampa's defense. And then you spent 20 minutes on Todd Bulls calls of plays. You know, they got Winfields hurt. They got Jamal Dean's hurt. And you go into all the matchups and some of the blitzes at Todd Bulls runs. And he got to do the Chargers defense against the buck's offense. Next thing you know, it's an hour and 15 minutes on one game. And people are like, man, fans aren't going to want to watch all that.

But the hardcore fans, nutty people like me like it. Then at the end of the game, they say, at the end of the presentation, they say, well, you've got to make a prediction. Who's going to win? I said, I don't know who's going to win. I said, I don't care who wins. Yeah. But then I start picking scores and some of my picks, I'm like you guys, I root for a team a little bit.

I kind of want to, so I kind of pick them to win. And it's not some of the gambling people, they get pissed at you. You screwed me, man. You gave me all this information. He picked their own. I remember coming in to Taylor, I'm like, hey, have you seen this guru-in-lofts football show? I'm like, bro, he runs it like he's low-key, like running a team meeting at the top of a week. It's incredible.

The breakdown of everything. Have you noticed how easy it is to over-exam? Because it's like you can break down all the film you want. But then you're like, all right, who's going to win? You're like, well, this team. And you're like, well, no, their defense is this and that. Have you ran into that where it's like you get into a point of overthinking it a little bit? You can easily overthink it.

And I tell you, there are some games. Now, I'm not a big gambling guy. I'll be honest with you. There are some games I've learned to stay away from. Got no idea what's going to happen in this game. Right. And there are certain games, as I told you guys earlier, I'm going in on this game. Yeah.

You know, and I don't pick it unless you love it. I don't pick the spreads. I would never pick the spreads. And I know you don't make as much money when you pick the money line. They call it, but you pick a team to win. I'm pretty good at picking winners. And I don't get involved in a spread. And then my son says, we don't get anybody if you pick the money line.

Well, if you pick two money lines, you know, you got a little parlay. I'm learning the words, you see. You get a little parlay. Anyways, I'm learning and I'm loving it. And this is really cool. This operation, I would not have expected anything less from you two guys. And I tell you, I don't know where you guys are going with the future. There's a lot of rumors about where you two guys are heading.

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fantasy football league but the teams are made up of only coaches which coach are you drafting first first overall pick I'd take Andy Reid because Andy Reid he can call the plays and he can coach the quarterback man that's a good pick yeah so anybody's going to fault you there If you could only watch one NFL game on repeat for the rest of your life, which game? One NFL game? One NFL game. It would be the Millennium game, Raiders versus Chiefs. The calendar just kicked over to 2000.

I was in my second year coaching the Raiders. I was going to get fired. We were 7 and 8. We're playing at the Chiefs. All the Chiefs need to do is win this game, beat the Raiders who they've beaten 100 times in a row, and they win the division and get a home playoff game. We're down 17 Zip. after about six minutes.

And this place is rocking, man. My boy Rich Gannon got pissed off and shredded him. We beat him 38, 35 in overtime. Check that game out. Raiders at the Chiefs, 2000. Last game of the year.

He knew it off the top, too. We busted him good, man. I was dancing on the field. Probably saved my job that day, too. Yeah. Yeah. God, it's got to be a great feeling to go home, crack open a nice drink.

What about you? What's your favorite? memory on the gridiron. Just get one. 2019 playoffs, AFC divisional round against the Baltimore Ravens. They were the one seed. We had to win five of six just to make it into the playoffs. We played against New England Patriots

and the dynasty for Tom Brady was his last game as a Patriot. And we go in against the Ravens. It was Lamar Jackson's first MVP in Baltimore. The bank was as loud of a stadium as I've ever heard of my entire life. And we owned them. I that is my favorite game from a blocking standpoint ever they had eight guys in the box we ran Wanda which is a open side outside zone and we blocked them and Dary and ran it for like 40 yards it just felt like everything we did it was we were going to get at least four yards

the guy sitting up like it was awesome we had a turnover in that game I think Dorel Casey got a strip strip sack fumble that was picked up by a harold Landry that player on like the 46 yard line going in and we call Lucy X-Pylon post. And it's Kaleif Raymond. He's like four or five yards past the DB and we score touchy on the next play. And it's just like, we're going to beat the fucking race. You know, that's the thing. See, that's the one thing I've learned about being

in social media is I like to discover like great plays. I like to go back and show you some of the memories of other players. I have tape in my office of Lawrence Taylor. I got Eric Dickerson running with that high form. But you can't show you can't really show the video you don't have rights to the video to use all the time you see right so you got to you got to creatively find ways to make your point but i would love to see that game it's awesome there's yeah yeah i can go on all day about that game that game was awesome the blocking was incredible we had five guys doing everything right every single play it was unbelievable

it's hard to think about mine i feel like it's more you just get pissed off that you lost like when we lost the green bay in the wild card round when we ended up up winning the division. Probably the most fun game and most fun memories when we clinched the division at Philly right around Christmas. Went out there. That was the dab game. My only career sack on Sam Bradford. But we beat their ass and we came back and just the city, the town was packed in Ashburn, Virginia. Like you were just going one, two miles an hour driving out of the facility because fans were so excited. It was such a moment that, you know, that was like, do you like that year? Kirk Cousin's kind of making his run. We're kind of a bad football.

team and we'd win one, lose one, try to string a couple together, and we ended up winning the division that year in the NFC least, they called it. But I would say that game is probably the most memorable fun game. As far as moments go, probably when I got to start against the New Orleans Saints. We played the week before at New England. We got our ass kicked. But I had made a few good plays. I think I had like eight tackles. And they made the switch to make me the the mic backer. And I remember Kirk Olivadadadale, he pulled me right into the office before we went into the defensive room to have a team or to have a defensive meeting to start breaking down the Saints. He pulled me in and he whispered, you got the keys, make me right and just dab me up.

And I'm like, oh shit, we're rolling. Like, I'm active. Like, I get to play now. Yeah. And so we end up beating the Saints ass, bro. And the paper, one of the papers is next week was like, you know, RWA Redskins with attitude. And, you know, I was spotlighted in and had a really good game. And that was probably the most memorable moment was when I got to ultimately like take over the job in Washington. Because you know, you just, you bust your ass to get in all the situations that you're in. The year before that, there was like, you know, that's when I got to play against you guys, the Delaney game. And I had a little run there because somebody had gotten hurt to where I, I accumulated some tackles. But then you just start to get noticed. Then next year, it's like,

hey, are you going to take this guy's job? You have a couple injuries. You don't get the opportunity to take it. Then in the middle of the year, as it unfold, similar to the Oakland year, where you just end up getting an opportunity and you just don't look back. Like, those are, those are more of like my memorable times in the NFL. What was the least favorite game ever? The tuck rule was bad. Oh, I forgot. I don't know.

I forgot that. People don't realize. I forgot the, yeah. He did a walk through, you know, at his facility, and he goes in the bathroom on the shitter, and he's got the photo sitting up, and it's the tuck rule photo. You know, we play the AFC championship game

when I was coaching the Raiders against Baltimore. And I don't know if you remember, but Syragusa killed our quarterback. We don't get a personal foul. We don't get anything. It really pissed me off in that game, too. But the tuck rule, you know, instant replay is designed to only overturn a play that's completely what, obvious. Yeah.

Right? To lose a game like that. Think of Steve Wisniewski. He's nine Pro Bowls, William Thomas, Eric Allen. These are great NFL players. That's the last game they ever played, you know? We got a chance to go to the Super Bowl. That's what kind of team we had.

Yeah. And I can see Belichick taking his headset off. Their whole stab, Brady's walking off the field. You can interview any of them. They knew that game was over. Yeah. And the only thing wrong with the tuck rule is they spelled it wrong. It's really not a T.

It's another consonant that's supposed to be. They don't even have the rule anymore. Yeah. That's how bad it is. God. Biggest rival coach out there where you're just like, I want to get his ass. Whether you guys went back and forth, who was your biggest rival? Andy, you know, had to be Andy Reed, you know, because we were on the same staff.

We're on Mike Holmgren's staff in Green Bay. You guys love this. So Andy played for Mike Holmgren at BYU. So he was kind of the teacher's pet, you know. Yeah. I love Andy Reed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we had this big board.

Me and Marriucci and Andy Reed were young coaches at the time, and we would put the plays on the board with the formations. And these are the plays that we think should be in a game plan. And Holmgren would be doing his thing. He'd come in and sit there and look at the board. and in a different color would be a new play. And Holmgren was always, he was always like, whose play is that? Andy goes, that's my play. That's 69 handoff solid.

You get on the board and draw it. Mike would put it in. And Andy would like, look at me and moot's like, I'm smarter than you. Yeah. So Andy would get a play in the game plan. It would be called. And it gained six yards or gained eight yards. And Andy would walk around the office all week.

I'm like, that's so, bitch. That's awesome. So now. We're not playing good. We just signed Reggie White in free agency. We got Brett Farr playing good. We got Sterling Sharp. We got a hell of a team.

And we're not playing good. We're like two and three. And people are starting to get on Holmgren's ass a little bit. You know what I mean? What's wrong with you guys? So we go into the room, there's all the plays. And there's this play called Fox 3, Fullback Slide. 58 all-go Z-Search.

Holmgren's like, what are those plays? I go, those are my two plays. And I had a cut up. And I, well, you don't like our place? Is that what your problem is? You don't want to run around? He was on my ass. Like yelling at me.

I'm like, fuck. So we go play the Bears on Halloween night. You can go back and watch this game. It's pouring down rain, the worst night in the history of football. Third and two, early in the game, Holmgren calls red left, fake Fox 3, naked right, fullback slide. I swear to God, Brett Farr kept it, runs it in, longest touchdown run of his career,

36 yards on Monday night football. I'm on the sidelines. I'm not saying anything, but I'm like, God damn, that's my play. So listen, this is true story, late in the game, we just need a first down to games over. And it's like third and 14. And I had seen Dan Marino run an all go with a little search route.

The guy acted like he was running a scene, but he would throw his shoulders down and uncover. And I put that play in, and Sterling Sharp ran it better than Mark Clayton and Mark Dupor ever ran it and far through it like a 23-yard game to ice a game. That's my play too. So we get on the plane. And back then they'd give you a little bag with two beers in it.

And Hunger is sitting in the front with Ron Wolf, the GM, and I'm in the back. I never forget this. I got my beer and I'm drinking it. I'm thinking, fuck. God damn. That was the greatest day of my life. Holmgren turns around. He goes, hey, Gruber, calls me Gruber.

Hey, Gruber, come down here. I walk down a fucking thing. I sit next to him. He goes, game ball. Hell of a job. I turn around. I walk back to my seat. I see Andy Reid.

And I go, Game ball. Yeah. I love compete with Andy Reid. Then when we competed against each other, and he was in Philly, I was in Oakland or Kansas City. I mean,

I just used to love seeing them. That's awesome, man. I love you guys, man. Yeah, this has been awesome, man,

bro. He sees you coming on, man. Merry Christmas and God bless you, man. If I can ever do anything, if I ever come back and coach, you'll be my left tackle. Let's fucking go.

You're not getting a guarantee contract. You're getting a shit. You're getting a minimum salary benefit and no incentives. I'll coach for you. I got to have a left tackle. I love it. Before you go, I do want to play a game of crystal ball with you. Okay.

Of all the coaching positions that might be open this year, might be the Dallas Cowboys, we know the Jets, we know the Bears, where do you think you would fit in best? Oh, I have no idea. That puts me on the spot. Yeah, you're right. That's a tough one, huh? We'll cut it. Guess what?

Cut. Hey, appreciate you coming on, man. I do think the Bears with that young quarterback is interesting. Yeah. You know, I like their defense, too, man. Have you seen a play? Yeah. They got some guys on Edd.

Two linebackers. T.J. Edwards, I mean, he's a hell of a player. They got some linebackers that can run. When they lost Jaquan Brisker, they lost a key member of that secondary. But they got corners. They do have some pass rushers. They got some receivers, man. Yeah.

They got a quarterback. I like this kid, bad. Got you got a nice. Minnesota might look out on, Monday night. These guys, this quarterback is interesting, man. I love it. It's got me feeling nicey.

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You are down a point. Two seconds left. It's fourth and 20 from the 35-yard line, but your kicker broke his foot. What's the play call? Shit. Thanks a lot. I'll go tandem right 76 rebound pass.

I'll throw a Hail Mary up there. I'll isolate my best receiver. If they play one-on-one over there, I'll throw it to him. If not, I'll pop it up into the end zone. Touchdown. Love it. You ever see guys throw Hail Marys and the ball lands off the field of play? I want to make this point before I leave.

Have you ever seen this shit where the, I'm talking to Hail Mary, okay, and the ball lands off of the field of play? Have you ever seen that? Yes, you have. Yes. Why do you think that is? They're scared? Why do you think it is? It's a QB rating, man.

They don't want to throw interceptions. Oh, you think it's an ego thing? I know it is. It has to be. These are the greatest passers in the world. You mean to tell me on a Hail Mary you can't put the ball on the field of play? Seriously, you can throw the ball in that tight window that big. You can sizzle it in there off platform into a window that big. But on the last play of the game, you can't keep the ball on the playing field. Let me tell you, when you see that,

you know you're dealing with somebody that's interested in his QB rating. Keep an eye on that. I will. I will. I love that take. Last thing I'll tell you, I learned this from Reggie White. Do you know tackles for loss and sack is a big way these guys get paid, right? Yeah.

So back in the day, Reggie White told me this a long time ago. They're playing for the Philadelphia Eagles. And the quarterback takes a knee. Reggie White, Clyde Simmons. He told me those guys would go flying in there to touch the quarter. quarterback to get credit for a TFL. And now that rule, I guess, has changed too. Yeah. But I'm interested in, you know, two seconds left in a half. You're in a prevent defense and somebody runs a draw play for 16 yards. You know, that's why statistics, you got to be really

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