Bussin' With The Boys - Josh Allen Speaks On The Stefon Diggs Drama + What Is Was Like During Damar Hamlin's Injury
Episode Date: July 4, 2023Recorded: June 21st 2023 | On this weeks episode the boys recap the summer event that we were all looking forward to, Beer Olympics. They reminisce on that day that was and all of the different things... that had happened at the event. We recorded the intro 2 days after the Olympics and you can that Will and Taylor are still recovering a little bit. Following the intro the boy, Josh Allen, joins us on the bus again. The guys immediately get into Josh being the latest Madden cover athlete and what that whole process was like. Will asks him his thoughts on the Madden curse and if he thinks it will affect him this year. The boys then got into the Bills season last year and the ride that it was. Josh recaps the night of the Damar Hamlin incident and what that moment was like from a teammates perspective. He gets into how scary it all was and how the players were the ones who decided that they weren’t going to finish the game. Taylor then brings up some of the old matchups that the Titans and Bills have had. He talks about the COVID game in 2020 where the Titans didn’t practice all week but still were able to beat the Bills. The guys jump all over the place from Will asking Josh if white defensive players belong in the league, to telling old stories of getting sick from alcohol. Josh is really just one of the boys and just a super laid back dude. You will definitely enjoy this conversation. 0:00 Intro 2:57 Beer Olympics recap 13:18 The boys in the back give their take on Beer Olympics 28:29 Shoutout no free shoutout 33:42 Pet Peeve of the week 42:48 JOSH ALLEN INTERVIEW STARTS 43:19 Josh is on the cover of Madden 49:15 Josh’s doesn't really have much of a diet 50:30 Josh recaps the Bills season 51:35 What was it like during the Damar Hamlin moment? 59:35 His take on the Stefon Diggs drama 1:03:43 How has he developed and continue to develop throughout his career? 1:06:43 What is his process in the offseason? 1:09:41 Titans didn’t practice for a whole week and beat the Bills 1:21:03 Bill’s mafia is awesome 1:22:27 His favorite alcohols 1:26:22 Josh’s favorite place to golf and his offseason surrounds around golf 1:33:05 Some of the cons of being in the spotlight 1:35:45 Opportunities he has had to turn down 1:36:56 Anything he would like to do when the career is over 1:39:15 Blue cheese or ranch on wings? 1:42:21 Twisted Question 1:48:28 Why does he enjoy coming to TEU ----- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Chevy: Head to https://barstool.link/ChevyBarstool and check out Silverado and all the Chevy Trucks ZocDoc: Go to Zocdoc.com/bussin and download the Zocdoc app for FREE Twisted Tea: Grab a refreshing Twisted Tea today! Duke Cannon: You have to try Duke Cannon, so for a limited time, we’re hooking The Boys up with 20% off your first order at DukeCannon.com with code “THEBOYS20” Georgia Boot: Use code BUSSIN for 20% Off at georgiaboots.com Bowlero: Visit https://www.Bowlero.com/Barstool to join the Bowlero Barstool invitational starting July 12th. Participation is open until July 23rd. NetCoins: Sign up today and enjoy no fee crypto trading at https://netcoins.comFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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You ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Boston with the Boys.
This is episode 230.
We are absolutely racking these motherfuckers up.
We're recording this on Thursday because the boys worked their ass off on Tuesday for Beer Olympics.
so the boys are going to have, what, Fourth of July off.
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You know what that means?
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40 hours post.
Yeah.
Now, I wouldn't even say, like, we started the beer Olympics 48 hours ago.
Yeah.
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I did like that, dude.
I like that a lot.
Do you know what DIY means?
You definitely know.
You're going to be so bummed.
Can you pull it back up?
Can you pull it back up?
I guess.
From off road adventures to DIY projects.
Do it yourself.
Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.
Yes. I don't do a lot of those.
I do not do a lot of those, brother.
I'll be honest.
I wanted me to hang some calendar yesterday, and I fucking fucked up the drywall.
And I was like, I was like, sweetheart, this is why I don't want to do shit like this.
Like, I could just task grab it. We can task grab at this shop.
You know you want a mainly manned husband, but I cannot be that for you.
You've drawn a line in the sand deal. We are domesticated cats.
No disrespect to us, but it's the life we've chosen to live.
I was so frustrated.
I was frustrated.
Why do you think I have so many tattoos?
I want to look tough knowing I'm not tough.
Like, it's just part of the deal, dude.
Because I text her, I was like, hey, I'm sorry.
I think I fucked up the dry wall.
What you say?
And she was like, she said, ha-ha, something.
She goes, wait, wait, are you joking?
I was like, unfortunately, no.
And I said something else.
Not like giving off too much frustration, but you knew, like, I knew that that's how
she was receiving it.
And she's like, it's all right, baby.
Like, I'll be home here in a little bit.
We can tackle this together.
And I'm just thinking to myself like, I don't want to tackle this anymore.
I don't want to tackle this anymore, dude.
Yeah.
Should we talk about obviously the most recent event we just had?
The Beer Olympics, 2023.
Was it not everything and more we'd expected to be?
Yeah, man.
I think it was things I didn't even know it would be.
Yeah.
It was such a pain in the ass to put together.
Because even though we started preparing for this months and months in advance,
there was still that 48 hours before, dude, I was scrambling, putting shit together,
lifting things and moving stuff.
And I'm thinking, brother, I'm a competitor.
I need to get the cold time.
I need to roll out.
I need to get ready for what we needs to be done to.
But I thought, I mean, the boys made it to the finals.
And obviously, it's already been, we've already said,
there's a big conversation.
Do we show who the winner is?
We don't.
We already know who the winner is.
And there's George Killing DeForest Buckner.
Congrats to them, hats of them.
They were a solid team.
They were a solid team.
They played hard.
They played well.
They were consistent enough to get in the finals and they won the finals.
Who else was a lot?
in the finals, though, is the fucking boys.
Which you can't be mad at at all.
No, if we win our own event, it doesn't look right.
It looks like we have it set up.
We cheated.
We did something wrong.
But I thought it was good.
And then by that point, it was dark and everything else.
Like, I was stoked that we just got back into the finals.
Because I thought, you know, we were so fucking buckled that during beerball that I thought
we were out of it after we lost a kid on the forest.
I was so, I legit almost cried.
Yeah.
And there was a moment we talked about it earlier.
Or JP is filming me.
And I'm genuinely, I am genuinely upset.
Like it was, I legitimately was emotional about it.
And I look over and Will is smiling with his beautiful smile with a group of people around him,
kicking his feet in the pool as he's sitting down.
And that shit hurt to see.
Let's see how easy you took that L.
But hang on, I didn't take it easy now.
You saw...
Will was furious.
I was furious, bro.
The hours of the competition.
He was like pacing around.
I thought he was going to get into legit fist fight.
There was a genuine pivot during beer Olympics.
And I can only speak for us and our things.
Well, obviously the vlog come out.
We had a great addition to Beer Olympics,
which was the Confession Corner.
I think it's going to be an amazing, like, reality TV.
You're going to see the chaos,
and then having teams regroup
and talk about what happened during that chaos.
And then seeing the difference between how drunk
or how sober everyone is in the beginning,
how drunk they were at the end.
You saw the one clip of Will sitting there
trying to talk Tanner Tignini and Tommy smokes
into why he was right,
which also, dude, I love Tommy smokes,
but also fuck Tommy smokes for having zero backbone at all the whole day,
telling everybody he hopes they win.
Yeah.
That's Tommy's game, though.
That's Tommy's game.
You got to respect his game,
but also when you're drunk,
dude, all I wanted to do was low-key bully him.
I kind of just wanted to bully Tommy.
Like that builds you,
that you just want to bully a little bit.
I didn't.
There was a lot of fucking chaos, man.
It was so much fun.
But there was a switch that turn.
We did the chug.
I thought we had a,
great time. We had second, correct?
Yeah, the very first event.
The very first event. I was so fired up for that 13 seconds.
Yeah. You, you, I was, I was very impressed because a lot of people hate on your chugging.
I thought you did a great job. A lot of people were like, oh, this, like, yeah, Taylor's
going to go fast, but everybody was thinking, competitors are telling me, like, I suck
at chugging, but, you know, as long as I beat you, I'm going to feel good.
And I'm just thinking, all right, this time not.
That's just their insecurity.
They're saying you suck, but as long as I beat you, I'm good, then they know themselves that
they're not a good chugger. They're just trying to put you down.
Right, right, right, right.
That says more about them.
But we go into the,
we go in the confession corner after Flip Cup
because we got body the first round of Flip Cup.
That's on me, just publicly.
And listen, I know you're going to say it's fine,
like you're a great teammate.
That's what you're about.
But that was a very disappointing performance by myself.
As somebody who, I'm,
every other time I play Flip Cup,
like I am solid,
the lights might have got to me,
like the crowd, the atmosphere.
A lot of people.
Maybe I folded a little bit.
And I wouldn't go against that
because I don't know what was fucking happening,
but I definitely let us down there.
And that was on me.
And it's all good.
But I do want to publicly say, like, that's 1,000% on me.
I wouldn't trade you for the world.
Yeah.
I wouldn't trade you for the world.
I appreciate it, brother.
We went in the confession corner after that.
And it was like, hey, we got to start talking massive shit.
We got to start.
We basically, in my mind, it was like, you need to become the enemies of this whole entire competition.
It's not being nice to everybody.
And that's...
You definitely flip that switch.
Yeah.
Too much?
I'm trying to think, like, hey, why don't you?
You guys are rooting for us.
Like, well, we, you know, we're kind of rooting that you do well, but your teammate.
Fair.
And I'm like, hey, say less, say less.
Yeah.
And I was like, yeah, say less.
You're like, no, you say less.
You're getting in a verbal altercation.
The quick witness you'll go back with.
You'll take it wherever you need to take it.
Yeah.
But at the end of the day, we got third in the beer pong.
You and lasers back and forth is going to be all time when people see that.
Yeah.
Lasers are funny.
And he was a great addition this year.
And literally met him three months ago.
Yeah, yeah.
He was great. Shane and Bert, obviously.
You could tell everyone was really excited to see both of them.
Yeah.
Big, even competitors.
Competitors were big fans of them and it was just cool to see.
They handled it with Grace.
More Bert than Shane.
Yeah.
Because Shane, Jack, Shane pretends like he hates the camera, but he fucking loves the camera.
Tell what happened when you saw that bit, though.
Same.
Because any time I do anything where my voice starts to barely elevate, he's like, what was he
saying to me?
He's like, oh, camera's around.
You got to.
It's smart and isn't because they're right.
writes himself a really nice insurance policy where he can be on camera as much as he wants
with the second he doesn't.
He's like, get that shit on my fucking face.
Yeah.
What did he say to you when he first saw you?
I was walking up on the driveway and I'm just trying to record tell him like, yo, yo, like,
can we get a prediction?
He goes, I'm trying to say, what's up?
Get that fucking thing out of my face.
I was like, my bad.
Dapped him up.
And then to me is like, all right, prediction.
Hey, Jack is doing his fucking job, man.
He's like, Will, can we just have a relationship of friendship outside of that?
the camera. Like, just be cool for once. I was like, please stop doing this to me, man.
Stop making it worse. And the thing is, whenever Bert and Shane would ever lose in their
part of the event, then Shane would be right behind me and Will just talking trash the whole time,
calling him, they're saying bad host to me over and over again. Why you got to be nasty?
Yeah. Why, why you being nasty, dude? Stop being nasty.
He'd be like, hey, Will, the entire time you're chugging, I'm just going to be in your ear saying,
yo, everybody's laughing at you. And I'm sure that was hard. And you still could understand.
What?
16 seconds?
Yeah,
I got 13.
Again,
proud of the 13 seconds.
Proud of the 13 seconds.
But hey,
you getting a,
you getting sub 4,
if that's even the right word,
and getting in the four second range,
it's incredible.
Yeah,
I appreciate that.
That was,
I think,
I don't think I'll ever be able to do that again.
That was my,
we're going to need you to because we,
you know,
the next day,
Jason Kelsey comes out and absolutely disintegrates a beer.
However,
you put you guys side by side like,
you got them.
You got them.
By almost a second.
By almost a second, which is massive.
If we're talking 40 times and everything else,
which is essentially what you're doing with that beer,
with the leader of beer,
I think like we're going to need you to perform that way again.
We got to get the big dogs in the room.
For the longest time I've been trying to hide my ability to chug a beer,
which you've done no good in helping me with.
Because there's times where I almost feel like,
this is too much of a,
we're trying to pretend too much of this.
I know, but I did to roost for an entire year
and then got him in Key West.
but I literally did the bit for a year.
Anytime Tric was brought up, I was like, bro, I can't.
I'm not.
And now that it's out there, I just got to be proud about it.
And I got to fucking, you know, no, I had to know that I have a target my back now.
Yeah.
You are one of the best chuggers in America.
Thank you.
I think so, man.
I would love to, I would love to see.
I would love to see you compete.
We were on the, we were in that car ride,
Zanis after.
And Gillis is drunk in the back going,
we got to let Rogan,
know about that. And I go, I go, I go, brother, you don't, you don't have to do that.
And there was a pause. I was like, but please God, let him know about the chug and all that.
What a fucking time, man. It was truly incredible. I literally was, I opened my eyes the next morning.
I don't know about you, but I thought there's no way I'm going to make it through this day.
This is when it ends. Oh, yeah, it was. It was brutal the next day.
Hurting. Hurting. I got the trash out, though. Did you? I did see that. I did see that.
Yeah, man. It was. It was an incredible day. How was it from your guys's vantage point? You guys were
obviously in the trenches the entire time.
And it just gets drunker and drunken and madness and mayhem is going on,
especially the chaos that happened in beerball.
And Jack, you're definitely my go-to when I was venting about all that stuff
because I feel like I find more common ground.
I'm like, I'll go to Jack because he'll definitely continue to validate everything
that I was doing.
What you want when you're venting is someone to say you're right.
Do you just want someone to say...
I was, I was boiling because James Neal was intentionally trying to sabotage our team.
And I understand that it was coming from my foot.
hitting the beer pong table a little bit.
That was unintentional, and we gave Laser his shot back.
James wanted, he wanted an extra shot.
It's like, bro, you just missed your shot.
But from that moment, he was trying to sabotage everything we were about.
And then when he's over there trapping you in the corner,
when we were truly in a competitive game, that matters,
trying to get to the finals and just doing the whole, I just, I saw red.
I saw red, but, brother, like, you weren't in the wrong at all.
Yeah, saw red.
That being said, I think that was the closest we came to a fight
in the whole entire beer Olympics was you and Niels.
Yeah, yeah.
That would have been a fight worth seeing, too,
because look, I think we know how I feel,
but James for sure can throw hands.
James can throw hands,
and I was talking about it the next day
with my wife and a couple buddies at the house.
James is sneaky, strong, and sturdy.
Like, I have him to pool basketball a little bit.
He used to dice people up on the ice.
I trust me, he was drunk when none of my house
making me show highlights of himself on the YouTube TV.
So I've seen them.
And it's fucking...
Listen, he's a strong...
motherfucker and he's sturdy he's got that balance hockey players have that they have that but he was
he was definitely in the wrong there and he came to my house the next day because joey was going to tattoo
and finished his tattoo on his head that he tapped on the first time and i go hey you can apologize
and he just goes no i thought that's exactly who james neal is that's exactly who he is it is
i wouldn't expect one yeah and forgiveness is is basically uh accepting apology you'll never get
Hey, that was beautiful.
James, I forgive you.
Yeah, but I want to hear you guys as vantage point.
But before that, we got to give a shout out to Jack for keeping.
So many compliments came from how the content was coming out, how interactive everything was, how it was placed.
Brother, I haven't even seen all the content on Twitter.
But it's, I've gotten multiple, multiple texts about how well it was done.
And so I can't wait to see the blog.
Can I wait to see it, Mitchie.
Blog's going to be crazy.
Didn't be nuts.
You did murder it on social media.
You murdered it, brother.
I mean, it's, is myself, Mitch, J.P. and Garrett, like, everyone.
It took an army clump.
Well, he was reffing.
But Stephen, like we, everybody, all four of us really were just, like you said, in the trenches.
And y'all know, I love to have a good time just like anyone else.
So to be in that atmosphere, but not, you know, getting tore up with the boys.
Yeah.
It didn't hurt.
But by the end of the day, your patient starts running a little bit shorter because everyone's so wasted.
And you're just sitting there sober as a rock.
Just like, what are we even arguing over?
Because you'd be listening to like, I'd see Will and George and Blanino, like, having this crazy intuitive conversation, but making no sense.
And I'm like, what are we trying to accomplish here?
And then it would be quiet.
And like, no one even knew what would the argument like stem from.
So it was just one of those things.
where it's dudes being drunk and after eight hours of drinking, like, it's going to happen
whether you wanted to or not.
It was tough.
But never once was I in a place from like, I got to get the fuck out of here.
Like, it was so entertaining the whole way.
Very stressful just from a content perspective, trying to capture all the fun moments.
Because you have so many things going on.
Like you see like an argument or a fight starting.
You got to run over there, grab that.
But at the end of the day, man, I thought it went really well.
And compared to last years, it was like way, way more put together production-wise,
the organization, the referees.
Because that one two years ago was, it got messy too.
But it always will get messy.
And we're only going to get better.
So I'm excited for next year's.
I think next year's could be huge.
It's going to be even bigger, dude.
Yeah, the production team did absolutely murder it.
You guys were in the trenches.
In it?
it was it was kind of cool like having to run from team to team or like argument to argument
what what are they arguing about now what are these like and it's it all stemmed like from the
same place but everybody was just so drunk it just none of the none of the arguments ever made
any sense but you guys were so into it and so we're like no I'm right you're wrong but like
from the sober person standpoint it's like this isn't even worth an argument but you guys were
just constantly screaming at each other, which made it a lot of fun, too.
I think our argument was valid.
When I watched your clip, I thought he makes all the sense in the world.
The James Neal thing, I was supposed to come after you guys because you guys lost, but
like, I heard out of my ear, like, you had some choice words for James, and I'm like,
oh, I don't know if I said.
Did you say James?
I can tell you all there.
Yeah.
Always like that?
Yeah.
Always like that.
I won't pry anymore. We'll definitely get it off air. That's obviously in such a public setting that should stay private.
When you're drunk like that. Yeah, yeah, I was in the moment. I was in the moment I was heated and I was pissed that I felt like the game kind of got kind of got taken from.
Because again, I was on that last little, that little thing of beer the entire time. Like beer ball, I mean, we are killers at beerball.
And the fact that it went that way, it was it was disheartening.
A lot of good movement too by the boys. I thought we did a good.
job once we got to one beer boxing out and having a nice little backboard between our shoulders
and getting around and knowing we were supposed to be. That's half a beer ball is knowing who's going to
go where. Right. Right. Right. There was a good job of. Because you were getting a lot of action on your side.
I was more trying to like keep my hand back there so that way the beer never fell off. Yeah.
Because I know that's like a deduction or something. A lot of movement. Yeah. A lot of movement going on. It was
it was good though. It was fun. Who at the end of the day was the most drunk, do you think?
probably Uncle Laser
But he was also
Like I did that video
Like who's gonna be the most drunk
And everyone
It was kind of spread around
Some Laser
Some Callie Hardy
If that's her name
But then Laser
His he was like
It's me
And he's like I've been drinking
It's 930 in the morning
Hey that's a good
Well yeah
We have a very similar raspy voice
Yeah
Cam Duddy came up to me
I think six times in the day
And he goes
Hey man
You ever thought about doing
voiceover work
and then we'll just walk away.
Like, I'm like, okay, it came.
It was funny the first time.
Like, he's like, as long as you keep laughing, I'm going to keep doing it.
And being sober and me around drunk guys, you just kind of laugh, like being uncomfortable and you're just like, uh-huh.
Yeah.
Yeah, dude, for real.
I think he thought I was playing into that.
But the last thing I'll say, when the vlog comes out, what I don't think people are going to anticipate is that, like, most of the guys being professional athletes,
you all are, like, competitors for a living.
And, like, that, that is what I'm going to do.
I saw the most. That was like the theme in the narrative is that everyone was competing like it was
their Super Bowl. Like it was the biggest fucking moment of their professional career and you were not
going to let anybody try and like outdo you outplay whatever. And that's where like most of the
entertainment and the turmoil came from. Is everyone just having to be the most competitive
person they could be? But yeah, I did I did have some personal shots to some people that I
I think everyone did.
I think in a sober setting I would take back.
But then all is fair and love and more.
I do take personal shots in the football field as well.
The one thing I kind of noticed was like the different levels of like talking trash.
Like you can like just like some of like us just randomly talking trash.
But then like the professional athlete like talking trash is a complete different like atmosphere of like getting personal like just the nonstop like in your ear.
like the different types of talking trash like it was super interesting but to go back to who the most drunk was
it was definitely hardy's wife she was by the way that team crushed it by the way and we're i was trying
to find that uh that spin zone epiphany after failing in flip cup because the hardy i mean they started
they they almost won flip cup right yeah they they were in the championship game but he's just
everybody getting hammered off a flip cup and say hey we might we might win just because we don't
have to slam them like everybody else he held her own though she was she did bro it was she was she was
There's 40 who threw up.
Well, they, everyone, there was a big commotion about like, hey, they should be DQ?
Should they be not?
It wasn't, it wasn't Callie.
But by the time, Callie made it to beer pong, it was, she was out.
Yeah, yeah.
No one was home.
It was a great time.
I mean, I think everybody threw up.
I know I threw up after the whole competition, probably three or four times.
Separate times.
I threw up, regained myself, threw up again.
Mine was one moment.
And it came within probably 30 minutes after I did.
Shane was adamant about the whole time, which makes sense because when you're talking about the who's going to be the drunkest.
And Shane was like, yeah, I'm going to try and get Will so fucked up.
Because the entire day, he's like, I need us to retruck.
Like, we got a race on the leader.
And I was like, you're faster me.
I don't know what you won out of me.
I think your time was faster than his though.
Yeah, well, just because he got the beer up up his nose.
I understand.
But he's like, I need you to run it back.
And I'm just thinking like, dude, why?
And then after the relay, after the entire day, we're like lined up under the.
under the pavilion or whatever.
And I slammed this liter of beer with him.
And then probably within 30 minutes, I'm like sitting alone over in the turf area
in the corner, like kind of in a little bit of a panic.
I felt like my heart rate was going.
My skin was getting hotter.
It was kind of everything was kind of shifting around.
And so then I just like dropped.
I like dropped off.
And then I just crawled over to like your little side garden and probably hurled nine times.
I gagged myself a couple times because all I thought was how am I going to survive?
survive the rest of the night.
So I started to gag myself.
And once one came, I'm just hurling, hurling, hurling, hurling.
Like you said, stomach cramping.
Yeah, bro.
That always gets bad.
Yeah.
Stomach cramps when I'm throwing up.
And then once the nine went, I kind of just like shuffled around and like propped myself
up against the little couch thing that you had back there until Nick found me.
And he's like, hey, buddy, you need some help.
I was like, can you please help me up?
Nick was their saving grace, dude, because when we went to,
He had a tough day.
Nick had a tough day.
He had a work day just like us.
He was in the trenches.
He told me, he's like, if you would have asked me at the end of Tuesday night, if I would
ever do that again, the answer would be hell fucking no, I'll never do that again.
Saw him Wednesday, like, late in the day.
And he's like, I would 100% do that again.
That was so much fun.
And Nick's like, next are very detailed oriented, like, little OCD, maybe not as an insult
way, just like very organized individual.
And he already had like written down shit of like how it could be better and all this.
Love that, dude.
He had a great, he, I mean, he had a great.
I mean, he had a great sense of the rules.
He helped us come with the rules.
We spent like six hours on the rules one day.
So he was fired up.
I thought everybody did an amazing job.
Still an eight-hour event.
We got to cut that thing down.
I don't think you're going to get in half by any means.
But you can get that thing to six hours, five hours.
You're living.
Yeah.
You're absolutely living.
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But yeah, dude, it was amazing.
It was a fucking time.
And Will and I were talking about this before we even got on the show.
It's like, could you imagine being in college?
And you know when you're in college and you get super fucked up.
And you might be the drunkest girl at the party.
And then you wake up the next day.
and guys are like, man, you did this and you did that.
And you're like, fuck.
The anxiety just kicks, man.
You're like, just stop.
Just stop telling me all the things.
Like, let's get 48 hours removed.
And then you start feeling a little bit better about how you act.
Because you're like, okay, that's not me, blah, blah, blah.
No one will hold it against you.
Could you imagine being in college and being filmed that whole entire time?
And then having to relive it.
But I think that's the best thing about Beer Olympics is everyone, my God,
everyone is showing up to an event knowing this is not going to end well for anybody from a drinking perspective.
You're going to be hammered.
You're going to feel like shit the next day.
And there's going to be shit on there you wish you didn't do.
But I think everyone knows that going in and it makes the hurt of the next day a little bit better.
Yeah, yeah.
Because there's, I mean, like they, to their point, everyone's arguing about absolutely everything the entire time.
Like the testosterone and competitive nature that was just in that confined space, it was, it was bound to happen.
Bound to happen.
I don't know.
How many kegs did we go through?
Three kegs.
we actually, well, there was a situation of one of the,
I think one of the, one of the companies that came in, Tap Truck, by the way,
shout out Tap Truck.
They did an amazing job.
They came in.
There was a party going along with Beer Olympics and they were there.
But there were two like one-six kegs and they took them and were filling them.
So we thought we went through all the cakes, but we were actually just missing them because
they thought that was for them.
Gotcha.
Gotcha.
Yeah, you had a, because Martins was out there, yeah?
It was, yeah.
We had Martin's Barbecue was out there.
We had Daddy dogs, which, dude, daddy dogs are great people.
They are fucking awesome, dude.
You can always catch them on the corner by losers, dude.
Made at night, man.
You get a dog fully loaded that that should have saw him.
And then Tap Truck was out there too.
It was awesome.
And then Jason Russell, you guys know Jason the chef.
He started an ice cream company, and I don't know why the name is escaping me right now,
which is super embarrassed.
Like I shot the bottle.
Dude, I didn't know the whole time.
I mean, I knew, but I forgot that there was food there.
But you don't want to...
I saw people eating wings on my, man, them fucking things look good.
We had to, like, strategically go and, like, for, like, the production sign had to...
Yeah.
You guys are...
You guys are just...
Stone cold sober and, like, starving.
She's getting hungry like you should.
Yeah, and, like, we had to...
You don't want to eat during the event.
Strategically find time to go to go eat food because everything was happening all of it.
once. It was tough, but
Jack and I both ate
like 15 wings at the end of it all, which made it worth it.
Which made it worth it. Marns is fire,
dude. It was
a great fucking time. It really was.
Lightbox is the name of the ice cream company.
Jason Russell started. He's doing soft serve
ice cream boys.
Do you guys get the chance to try it?
I know JP did. It's like kind of a little like shot glass.
Yeah, came a little shot glass. He's like
getting a truck going, developing. I, you know,
your boy's in it a little bit. So I'm, I'm,
I'm going to be a little bias here, but I will let you know.
He does a non-dairy soft serve that is, you really can't tell a difference.
And it is, you can't beat soft serve ice cream.
It's the fuck.
It is so.
Softser ice cream is the best ice cream.
It's the best ice cream by far.
And you've guys seen him cook before.
Like the guy is.
There's waffles.
Savant.
Bro.
He is unreal.
Anything.
I'll see things on Instagram sometimes and just send him in the next day.
He's like, boom.
Here it is.
Exactly how all the parameters.
He made too.
Oh, yeah, the venison biscuits.
You know, that was your recipe?
No, no, he used the venison for the sausage.
Gotcha.
Yeah, but he did, but Lightbox, dude, they, I, I fully believe they will be taking over
Nashville's ice cream scene in a very short amount of time.
As soon as that truck is run.
Should we hit our shout-out, no free shout-out and pet people of the week?
Yeah.
Before we get into this Josh Allen interview, which, by the way, was all time.
Another boy would have been good to have him at Beer Olympics.
No, he's a very busy man.
Very busy.
Yeah, shout out, no free shoutout, dude. Let's hit it.
You guys got one back there?
Sure.
Yeah.
Which one?
Either one. You guys can both go.
You guys got it.
Go ahead.
My shoutout, no free shout out this week.
This happens a lot right when you leave the, like the our shop.
You get to that little intersection right here.
and when we're leaving, it's like rush hour.
There's so many cars going by.
You got that light at the bottom of the hill.
You just, like, everyone's just backed up.
But eventually, you're sitting there long enough.
There's that kind soul that's coming up.
It gives you the quick little and lets you go.
That way you're not stuck there for, like, another at least five, ten minutes
because everybody doesn't know, like, doesn't want to let you go.
But that person that lets you go through makes you want to, like, pay it forward.
and next time you see somebody waiting,
go ahead.
Just shout out those people
that let you go in traffic
when you're stuck at it, like a stop sign.
Mm.
Good one.
That's a song.
Becky Moon.
Um, kind of going off the cuff.
But I guess this works.
My shout and every shout out goes to
when you think that an issue in your car
is something like that is the end of the world.
And then it turns out to be an extremely quick fix.
Mm-hmm.
So on the way to the show,
this past weekend in NASCAR, my transmission dropped in my car and I couldn't go over like 25
miles an hour. My car is like an 0-4-4 runner. It's like 270,000 miles on it.
Great vehicle. Yeah, any major issue is like this could be the end. I might have to be
get a new car soon, something. I'm like, I just, I'm not prepared for that. And then it turns out
me, my dad looked at it and it was just a leak in the transmission fluid. So we got it sealed up
but now it's running like a charm again.
So shout out to when, yeah, some of those issues aren't as big
as your head maybe creates them to be.
Jack's thinking like, man, we need to get eyes in them.
I was thinking that too.
You need to send that clip to him.
I will.
Your time is running out.
Brother, we're past a year or two.
I know he does want to come on.
Yeah.
And he's made it very clear to me anytime like when we get to a year,
like his fans, our fans are going at rich real hard and he feels bad.
And so he's reaching out to me.
He's like, you know, like the other day when you were trash talking about not coming on,
like, hey, we're still waiting on you.
Yeah.
He texted me as like, your boy, why is he coming at me so hard, basically?
Not like overly emotional about it, but he's like, what's the deal?
I felt like, like, you guys knew I want to go on.
I've seen him make time.
I was like, we was just playing the game, brother.
Oh, yeah.
We love Rich.
We love Rich Eisen.
Yes, absolutely.
Like, if I need to go back and just print out that tweet I had when I was like,
yo, it's so fucking awesome.
I get to, like, essentially engaged with Rich Eisen.
and somebody I've watched until I was a little kid on ESPN and shit like that.
Like, oh, yeah, massive fan of Rich.
There is no hate.
That is, that's just playing the Twitter game.
Yeah, just having fun.
Rich is maybe a Hall of Famer in the sports industry.
Yeah.
He did him a beer Olympics next year.
Yeah, just to go.
Yeah, he can just come.
Yeah.
Just go.
I don't know if he'd be a good competitor.
But he should, I know, I know Rich run.
Rich run.
We should do a drink, rich drink.
As like, you know.
He does the leader.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He just does the leader.
That's it.
Does the leader.
Yeah.
Fully suited.
Fully suited.
Yeah, for charity or something.
$1,000 for every second he takes.
Ooh.
What if he takes like four minutes?
You guys have made a lot of money in your careers.
We'll be all right.
Oh, dude.
I appreciate it.
For the kids, for the kids.
Yeah.
I probably took a liter of sweet tea, dude.
Twisted tea.
I keep saying sweet tea, but it's delicious.
It's that sweet.
I feel like you're just drinking a sweet tea
and it happens to have 5% alcohol in it.
My shout-out, no-free shout-out, goes to the Pukin rally.
When you're down bad and you're in the fucking trenches.
The heart rates up, the anxiety's high, you're in kind of a panic mode.
You can't really fucking get full sentences out of your mouth.
Whatever arguments are coming up in your head.
And you get all of that out there.
And somebody, this is a special shout-out to Nick Bennett.
Somebody revived you a little bit.
Because whenever we ended up getting the Zanis,
Nick's like, like,
how are you still moving?
I was like, it's all because of you, brother.
He's like, the Pukin rally.
I love it.
So my shout-out, no-frey shout-out goes to the Puk and Rally.
I love it.
Shout-o Nick Bennett, too.
Shout-on-it-man.
I shot him a mess on that.
I was like, hey, I really appreciate you open me out.
Yeah.
My shout-out, no-frey shout-out is going to go to,
we are less than 100 days from Spooktober.
And it's right around the corner,
we're 94 days away from Spook-Tober when we're filming this.
And it's going to be, we've said it before,
October's in a contract year.
Oh, Supertobers very much in a contract year.
Yeah, it's got to show up in a big way this year.
And I think what better year than this year, the greatest year for Bustin with the
boys, 2023.
It's on us.
Yeah.
It's on us.
That's what you love to have.
We control our own destiny.
That's exactly what you want, dude.
So my shout out, no, for shout out goes to,
root October.
Pet peeve of the week.
You boys have one?
Yeah, my pet peeve of the week goes to, uh,
when people are just wrong in arguments.
I know I'm right.
People won't bend the knee.
Yeah.
When people just don't get it.
That's my pet peeve of the week.
People are just wrong when they argue.
Yeah.
With me.
My pet peeve of the week goes out to the last cup and beer pong.
That motherfucker, dude.
Dog, we were in hell.
In hell.
Two games.
Two games.
Couldn't get that motherfucker in.
But listen.
I said it, I don't know how many times.
They don't ask how many.
That's true.
Because the Hardee's almost came back and got us.
Like, we left them around.
around the entire time.
Which is just wild.
And gotta give a shout to Hardy
because his wife,
who played amazing in Flip Cup,
like her gas tank was running
very low at that point.
Hardy,
I think made nine cups.
No,
his wife made one.
His wife made one.
So he made eight cups.
Yeah.
But man.
Yeah.
That fucking,
that last cup
just refusing to go away.
Fused, bro.
And there was such a crowd around
and everything.
Churps going left and right.
You're just trying to hit the fucking cup.
And when you're drunk to
your thing yourself,
man,
it's cool.
everyone's around here. And then he started to realize, oh, everyone's around here because
there's no other games being...
They're waiting for our game to get done.
Yeah.
Yes. Yes, dude.
That is, uh, my pet peeve of the week.
Boys?
Um, my pet peeve of the week goes to
those people that wear those little wrist guards when they hurt their wrist.
I think that is the softest shit of all time.
If you have, if your wrist hurts,
just grow up and deal with it.
The fact that you wear those little wrist things,
like when you're rollerblading, if you're rollerblading and you wear them, that's fine.
But if you take them outside of like rollerblading or roller skating, you just look soft.
It just bothers me because it's like, what are you doing?
Like you can move your wrist.
Like unless it's broken and you need to cast on it, just let it ride.
But those people that wear those, in my opinion, are so soft.
Okay.
I am so glad you clarified yourself because I'm thinking you can't wear them like when your wrist is
fucked up and you're out on the gridiron.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
No, if you're...
I wear wrist cards when I play.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, I mean, I'm talking about the people that wear them.
He's telling Jen Pop walking around.
Yeah, like, you're going, you're just going to work wearing a wrist guard.
Like, what do you do?
But somebody just says I sprained my wrist and then wearing a wrist guard.
Like, what are you doing?
I'm with that.
I'm with that.
I fuck with that.
Grow up.
But, like, if you're, like, playing a sport or, like, rollerblading or anything,
you can absolutely wear it.
Like, that's to protect it.
But if you're just hurting it and, like, if it's just hurt and you're going to work or just
hanging around and you're wearing a wrist guard, grow up.
Mitch, I don't disagree with what you said, but you better pray to God.
I do disagree with that.
You better pray to God you don't hurt your risk in the next two years.
I am never going to wear one of those.
Yeah, no, I'm with you.
I agree with that.
I think, like, there's, I just disagree with them.
I disagree.
If my wrist, if I ever get to the point where I have to wear one,
just no, I'm not going to wear it.
and I'm just going to let you boys know, hey, I'm struggling, but hey, my pet peeve, I can't do it.
Yeah, I do it to myself.
Jack, you disagree.
Yeah, coming from someone I've broken my wrist in my life 13 times so far,
hopefully I don't ever have to.
Oh, we're going to need a stat check on that.
Yeah, we need to see all the medical files.
That's fine, dude.
Literally from fourth grade summer until I was a sixth grader or four years old,
to sixth grade every summer the first week, I broke my wrist back to back to back to back,
back years. But
just live in life, you know.
I'm in trees, doing bad shit as a kid.
I get it. I don't,
I see where your head's out on that one.
But like if you have
a, there are fractures that don't
require a hard cast,
but do require a splint,
is that what they call them, or a brace.
And if a doctor's telling me to wear
a splinter brace, I'm not going to just be like,
fuck that, I'm not a pussy. Like,
I'm going to wear the splint. But
now I probably
won't ever wear one again
in fear that I'm going to get
flame for being a pussy or something.
Hopefully I'm over that part of my life, though.
If you have a hairline fracture,
you should wear a splint.
Yes.
You better be saying at least fracture
if you're wearing some shit around your wrist.
Yeah. I mean, if it's like a sprain,
that's, yeah, you can probably figure it out.
That's what it normally is, though.
It's like, oh, I sprained my wrist.
They're people who sprained their ankles
and they got crutches in a walking boot.
It's like the people
In the spring
Like the people in high school
It does depend but also
It's a high ankle sprain
Brother, that those are terrible
No, no, I'm with you
Yeah, I'm with you
Low ankle sprain, it just hurt
Yeah
It's like the people that wore like those knee sleeves
In high school
Like
What are you doing?
Like
Is this a direct shot at Lodhampton?
No, it's not
It's not like
Whoa whoa
Whoa
He made it in you
That wasn't
You wear a knee sleeve
I'm with you
That's swag
It's a compression sleeve
Yeah that's
Yeah
I'm talking about like
the knee right, but that's also, you know, that's like, it's like my signature thing. It's like
AI with his sleeve is playoff Willie with his sleeve. So, you know, I'm in compete mode.
But no, like, you guys, do you guys remember, like, those girls in high school that would wear those,
like, knee braces just for, like, just had, like, bumping their knees together. They all of a sudden
need to have a knee brace. Did you guys have that in high school? I don't. I don't. That's,
that's what I'm talking about. Like, it's, you just bump your wrist or you bump your knee and all
a sudden you have this big ass brace on and then it's almost like a little pity thing.
It's like, oh, what happened to you?
Like, are you okay?
Just like an attention seeker.
I think it's so dumb.
Yeah. If you fracture your C1 through three and you're wearing a neck brace, you're such
a fucking pussy dude.
That's like Mitch right now.
He's just mad about anything happening.
Right.
You break your neck and you wear a fucking neck brace.
What kind of soft shit is that?
Be a man.
Yeah.
Well, good.
Mitch. I'm glad you got that off your chest, brother.
Yeah, I remember seeing
it, like, out at the group. You said enough.
You said enough. Yeah.
Should we get to Josh Allen? Yeah, let's get
to Josh Allen. It was Mafia. You guys are going to love
this shit. He was all time. He says
some, some of his
responses to questions are just so funny.
Like his off-season stuff.
Bro. And he's just like... And us trying to pin
him into... Do you mean this? He's like,
I don't mean it like that. Yeah. Yeah.
It was a fun time, man. It was. He's one of
the best, bro. And he reps the boy.
and it fires us up because he was, my man was in L.A. doing a Madden shoot.
Flies into Nashville to do Titan U just because he's for the boys and he said he'd do it.
Flies into Nashville doesn't land until like one in the morning, gets up the next day and
he's over at the bus at 8 a.m. so he could do our interview on the bus.
And then eventually go over to Titan U and sling the rock.
Like, he's one of the boys, dude, and I fucking love him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And also, Bill's Mafia, we've had a couple of things in the past.
I fucking, you guys are a phenomenal fan base.
Yeah.
Like, I hope to God, you guys love this episode.
You played for them at one point.
I said, yeah, I said something about Josh on Instagram the other day,
but his ball security being wrong on the Madden, like, preview or whatever.
And I was, put my phone down for a minute.
And it came back and it was like, everybody was dumbing me.
You're going through some social media tables.
Yeah.
Exactly, dude.
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Enjoy the episode.
Dude, hey, thanks for coming.
I know you've been on the move.
You know.
Appreciate it.
There, good.
You just came.
So we're, for everybody watching,
watching. We are, Tide in you is today and Josh was in L.A. yesterday all day for his Madden shoot.
Got here. What time did you arrive? What time did you get in Nashville?
11.30 last night? It is 8 a.m. before Tide in you starts today. And the boys blessing us with
this presence. But you were in L.A. for your Madden shoot. Talk about being on the cover of Madden,
dude. Yeah, it's weird. It's like as a kid, right, and you, you play this game. That's heck. I
how I learned the game of football.
All the rules,
rough in the past,
you're going and playing against my brother.
It's just kind of full circle.
I learned it playing Madden.
Now I'm on the cover,
and some kid will eventually be like,
I learned the game playing for Madden.
It was the cover of when Josh Allen was on the cover,
and mine was 03 Marshall Falk.
So I vividly remember that cover,
and it's just, it's surreal.
What was a process for you, like, when you found out?
Like, did they call you, like,
hey, it's between you and like two other guys,
three other guys or they hit you up and just say hey you're the you're the cover of Matt yeah they
they called my agent and said hey we want to sit down with Josh or at least do a Zoom call and
we got on and they had this whole video and like you're the guy that we want you you're the most
used guy and they brought up all these stats and all these numbers of how many rushing yards I asked
like it was really cool it was like the one that I stuck out to me a billion rushing yards
over the course of people using Madden 22 yeah last one three three three
Well, they're telling you your stats of how people have used him.
Oh, shit.
Yeah, that's kind of fire.
A billion yacht rushing yards.
A billion rushing yards. A few billion passing yards.
A hundred million touchdowns.
Like, it was actually insane to hear those numbers.
And I was like, that's pretty cool.
All right.
Are you worried about the Madden curse?
No, that's already, that's done and over with.
Pat and Tom broke that a few years ago.
Yeah, but if you look at statistically, those two broke it.
They've helped the percentage.
It's not 100% anymore.
You were talking about high 80s.
Yeah.
I'm not supposed to be in the league.
I wasn't supposed to be here.
You know, right?
Where I come from, like...
Yeah, dude, you're right.
6-6, tall, super athletic.
Handsome.
Massive hands.
Oh, we're talking about you?
No, that's about you.
No, no, no, everyone was.
All right, I thought we were talking about you.
You got all those things.
Yeah, you weren't supposed to make it.
I'm just saying.
You did have a wild journey, but like getting into the NFL, like, if you look at you
know, like, yo, this dude should have been a five-star recruiting and everything.
You end up going to Wyoming, right?
Yeah.
Like how was that whole process like going into that?
Like we just lay bloomer didn't hit puberty until about 18.
What's the deal?
Really?
Yeah.
I was like senior,
junior year I was like 6-1-70 pounds soaking wet.
No fucking way.
Junior year I got to around 6-2, 63.
Then I went to junior college and grew a couple more inches.
And that's when I was living on my own.
And I was going to like Wendy's and Carl's Jr.
every single night and just eating as much as I could.
I finally got up to like 205 my junior college year.
And then I got to Wyoming.
My first year I got to like 2.35.
I put on some...
You still crushing fast food?
Yeah.
I love that.
What's your number one spot?
If you were to say what the best fast food burger is.
Burger?
Fast food.
Just strictly burger.
So I can't say chick flay here.
But chick flay is your number one spot.
I'd say, yeah.
Chick-fil-a's a header.
Chick-fil-A's a header, but I would...
Taylor's a closet-a-old?
You're a closet-a-a-a-cloatter?
Of chick-fil-a?
Chick-fil-a.
Oh, a little bit of public.
I got...
I got Chick-fil-a to me.
It was overused.
Okay.
on the plane traveling with the Titans
every single flight there's shook flight.
You start to get the smell, even the Polynesian sauce.
You're like, hey, I got to get the fuck out of here.
It just became too much.
I get it. I get it.
I appreciate you understanding my truth.
But as a burger goes,
this is a...
And I heard you mentioned Carl's Jr.,
which I feel is a slept-on franchise.
Yeah. Wendy's is good.
But not the best.
Nothing beats a Big Mac, man.
What?
McDone Mickey Diggins.
I may or may not have waited third.
35 to 40 minutes in the drive-through line last night on my way to the hotel because I was really hungry.
There was nothing open and got myself a Big Mac allegedly. Allegedly.
Hey, what's funny is you almost love when it's late at night and you're like,
the only options available is fast food.
You know what I mean?
I have to do it.
Yeah, I have to eat.
Or I'm not going to eat tonight.
I don't want to not eat.
But if I'm picking between, if you're like 2 a.m. and you got to pick a spot, T. Bell.
Taco Bell is a move.
Would you go T.
T. Bell over Big Mac?
depending on the night.
Yeah, I think if you're...
I don't think it's one way or another.
Yeah.
I think they're different.
But if I'm...
Because I live close in California to a Taco Bell.
I think if you're drunk or banged up, it's more Taco Bell.
You brought up California.
And there's a legendary fast food franchise there.
And brother, I need this.
What's your thought of In-N-Out Burger?
I love the burger.
That's all I need to hear.
Hang on.
No, no.
Don't even talk about it.
We're talking about burgers.
Go ahead.
Speak your truth, brother.
I think everybody agrees with me.
The fries are, they're just not the best.
No, no.
I'm not going to try to talk crap about it.
Burger's great.
Burger's fantastic.
And I'll leave it at that.
Yeah.
For the price point, I mean, it's fantastic.
It's fantastic.
Smashburger.
I mean, the majority of fast food chains are smash burgers.
Five guys.
You know what I had yesterday for the first time in L.A.
Rosco's.
Chicken and waffles.
Yes.
Hell is it.
Yes, dude.
I've never had that.
Yes.
It is unreal.
Did you go to a nice Rosco's or like?
The one close to L.A.X.
Inglewood.
Okay.
Yeah, all right.
That's what I need to hear.
That's what I fucking need to hear.
That's the one.
They got a low-lo's chicken and waffles,
which is like a sister company in Arizona.
We went there in 7th and Central
right there in Phoenix.
And it's like broken down.
But you can get like mason jars of Kool-Aid.
Dude, their food is unreal.
Man, I need you.
We talk about swelling of the body.
Just lemonade I've ever had my entire life.
No question.
Diabetes in a cup.
No shot jack.
Rosco's is great, though.
Big fan.
Ross goes, yeah, first time.
First time ever.
So you don't eat very healthy?
I think that's true.
I think we've kind of gotten to that point.
80-20.
He's talking about it's 20% right now.
80-20?
Yeah.
I'm all about chloric,
caloric intake other than all that other shit, right?
You need calories.
You don't focus on macros and all that.
If you want to lose weights, the chloric deficit.
I think like there are studies that show that,
if you want to lose weight, just stop eating, right?
So that's when I need to stop or start losing weight and start cutting a little bit.
I just eat way less.
I respect that, man.
It's like, you know, you're at the top of the food chain in the NFL as far as being a quarterback.
But it's refreshing to hear that you like to get a little, you like to get in the trenches late at night.
Yeah, that is nice to hear.
Yeah.
That is good.
A lot of dudes, too, people don't realize how bad dudes eat in the NFL.
You think everyone's just a well-oiled machine working on every little, hey, this vegetable, this protein.
it's bad out there.
The majority of guys, yeah, don't know.
It's about calories.
Even the college cafes, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tough sledding out there.
For sure.
It, man, I know we got away from the Madden cover talk,
but I wanted to bring up like the first,
it was the first posting of her, right?
And there was like a...
Yeah.
Was that a marketing employee, you think?
Conspiracy?
For sure.
Get people talking?
Yeah, of course.
It worked.
They didn't do it on accident.
I mean, how could you do that on that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You guys started off with an absolute bang last year
and unfortunately fell off at the end.
Can you talk about the season a little bit?
Yeah.
A lot of ups and downs.
A lot of crap that some teams may never have and never will have to go through.
You know, when you talk about some of the,
Crazy stuff that happened to us last year.
Like, you can, you can name it off, and I won't go through that right now.
But just the way that we came together.
And at the end of the year, man, we were drained, emotionally, physically, mentally.
Because playoffs was basically a couple weeks after the, DeMarie Hamlin incident, yeah?
Yeah.
God, that was.
That was nuts.
Yeah.
And that shook everybody.
Yeah.
Thank God he's doing good now.
He's back in the building and put on a helmet, did some OTA.
stuff with us and, you know, he's gearing back up to play. So, um, I know even off the field,
he's got so much shit going on. It's, he's, he's an impressive human being. What was it like
in the moment that that happened from your perspective? I mean, it was a, I would assume just
eyes wide hoping that everything's all right. But like from your lens and your angle, like,
what are you sitting there in the moment thinking about? Well, I mean, you never suspect that, right? Like,
what was going on and the shit that we were hearing from the training staff and the paramedics
that were, you know, working on them. I mean, it's just like, it set in after about 45 seconds
standing out there like, all right, what's going on? Like, he's okay. And then all of a sudden
you hear some of the stuff. And it's like, this, yeah, it was, it was, it was nuts. I will say
this. But an amazing effort by our, our training.
training staff, an amazing effort by him for fighting through it. And I think that the one, the
buff, the community of Buffalo was fantastic, but really the NFL community coming together.
And, you know, prayers don't hurt, you know. So I think really everybody in the NFL community
come together and share in a moment at least for a little bit where everybody was united,
you know, cheering for one purpose and that was the safety of tomorrow. So I think that was pretty
cool. When all that's going down and, you know, sitting there watching the game,
everyone's talking about, do they play? Do they not play? At first, you think, all right,
this guy, this guy's injured. You have no idea what it is, but they're probably, you know,
you know, giving the ambulance and everything's going to start up. Then you start to see the
severity. You start to see the emotion in everybody's eyes. Like, at what point was,
were you guys like, there's no way we can play this game? Well, we didn't really have
a choice right away. It was kind of like, all right, warm up, you guys are going. It was like,
Dude, is that the most nuts thing ever?
Yeah, yeah.
I think it was that obviously it's a new spot for everybody to be in.
So I don't fault anybody.
But finally we're just like, hold up, right?
Like, let's go in the locker room.
Let's reconvene.
Like, there's guys sitting on the bench that, like,
looked in the face of death right now, right?
Like, so went in the locker room and had to do some tough things.
there and then say some tough things. But we ultimately came to the decision. Like if there was one guy
in this room that can't play, we don't play. And obviously there's more than one guy that was like,
no, I'm not going out there. I'm not going out there. And then, which I thought was a really cool
thing, the Bengals. So I talked to my coach and I was like, hey, we're not playing. I'm going to go
talk to the Bengals and just tell them like we can't do it. As I started walking over there, they were
walking to us saying the same thing. Yeah. So it was like, there was a couple guys. It was Joe and
Joe Mixen, Joe Burrow, obviously.
I think Tyler Boyd.
So to be able to sit there and talk with them
and just like, guys, like, we're not playing either.
I thought that was a pretty respectful thing
for them to do, which made it a lot easier for us to.
Yeah, that shit was wild.
That was a scary situation.
It puts things in perspective of how small football
really is at the end of the day.
Yeah, yeah. Especially in that moment.
I mean, it was obviously the most
talked about thing for the next, I forgot how many days.
But in that, because I, I forget, like, I don't even think I was watching the game at
the time.
I think I was watching something else.
Somebody's like, hey, do you see what's going on with this game?
And you're just thinking, like, you know, what could be happening?
You see Twitter a little bit.
And you're like, on this game.
And you see that it's on this long delay.
You're like, yo, what the fuck happened?
And you're waiting for videos to come up and everything else.
And you see, like, this routine type play.
And it's just a collapse.
And it's just like, what in the fuck is going on?
But yeah, everyone, you know, everybody's throwing out opinions, what you should do, what you should not do, all this kind of stuff.
Yeah, all these doctors are saying all this stuff. They're just online and say, this is what's happening.
Yeah, and like, like you say, it's almost like, I can't believe they're trying to get these guys out there to play and warm up and stuff.
But I mean, fuck, you don't know what's that.
Like some of these guys, especially if it's like a strength coach, they're probably being told, hey, it sounds like the game's going to go on or the coaches.
It seems like we're going to do X, Y, and Z like, okay, I guess if we think we're going to play, the big picture they think we're going to play.
Like, we should probably tell our guys to warm up.
They're like to like, hey, guys, let's fucking get going.
And it's like, you know, hang on.
But it's probably such a unique thing for everybody involved.
Yeah, for everybody involved, man.
And then we're on the bus after the game, just like refresh, refresh.
Yeah.
Refresh.
Give me news.
Give me news.
Like, I, it was tough to go to sleep that night?
I was so that.
So was Demar at the game when they said it was a paid actor that was sending?
Yes, that was him.
I'm glad you asked that.
We have to get some conspiracy theories going out there.
That was 100%.
I promised you.
I was in our locker room before.
that they were trying trying to move him kind of discreetly so he didn't get bothered too much and
obviously they're still monitoring and everything but that was him man that was it is still him
yeah still him promise yeah i promise incredible that he's back out there like you know like he said
put on the helmet per uh participating in some also can i get it on the next the next time you guys
go go where you guys got to buy one get one free for the teeth right yeah yeah yeah
Do you want to get some veneers?
Are you thinking about doing it?
I've thought about it.
Yeah?
My chompers are out.
My parents spent too much money in my mouth, you know, braces and shit growing up.
Yeah.
There's an easy fix now, brother.
I know there's an easy fix now.
Easy.
But look good on you guys.
Porcelain veneers, man.
Thank you.
Who was it yesterday?
He should think about it.
Moreau.
Yeah.
Foster.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he was out there.
Oh, I forgot to ask him.
Like, what was that from?
And honestly, I think it's because he got mashed in the mouth by it in the weight room.
Oh, you're talking about
Yeah, we got to figure that out
I know, we do have to do some investigative
journalism here on him
But yeah, you should look into some veneers
because you are in tabloids now, like you want to
You want to address some rumors out there?
It's a game changer for real.
Game changer.
It's a process, though.
You get the temps put on, I don't know how you were with the temps.
Hang on, hang on, we got it hurt.
Did it hurt?
Don't let him get away from this.
We're getting away.
You don't remember what?
I'm talking about, I'm talking about it.
I'm talking about it.
No, I know.
I said, is he, because he, he's,
flipped on us. He's like, oh, can I join you next time? Oh, yeah, you should look into the veneers
because he is in the tabloids like, apparently there's some rumors. He's dating an actress. Like,
there's some stuff going on out there. So the Madden cover?
You're an asshole, you know? Well, I guess it says it's on the docket. We should talk about
the rumors. Do you want to talk about your personal life and who you're dating? No comment.
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Talk about,
because it's obviously a big discussion right now,
a big conversation around
Bill's Mafia,
Bill's media and everything else,
the Stefan Diggs stuff going on.
Can you talk about your relationship with him?
Yeah, I love him.
That's my guy.
Like, what the media has blown this
so far out of,
proportion. Right. Like, we are in
rookie or mini camp.
We're not playing a game for four months.
He doesn't show up one day. He's still there.
You know, coach asked him to
go home. We were in talks and discussions of
trying to resolve some things. And it wasn't
anything major. And media
blew it up. They're still talking about it.
Let it go. Let it go. There's no reason
to continue talking about it. He was on the field
with us the next day.
you know, we're, it was not a big deal.
Yeah, I feel like every day I get on the bird app,
somebody's trying to find one little sentence
or a couple words they might heard from somebody
to where whether he's...
It's always like, oh, it wasn't this,
but it may have been this,
and someone else coming to know it wasn't that, it was this.
And everybody's got their opinion,
which due to social media now is broadcasts,
is that broadcasted everywhere.
Yeah.
And, you know, I see this guy on Twitter.
He's talking about how he was an all pro one,
time and he would have made all these plays.
Will come.
Oh, it was it.
You.
Anyways.
Brother, you just been catching.
Did I say anything about us?
I did like your tweet last night.
It was a trash day is upon us.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Trash day tomorrow, yes.
And I did forget.
Have a good sleep. You did forget?
I texted the nanny.
Oh, no.
I said, hey, so. I said, hey, so, dot, dot.
I'm not quite sure what happened from when we were talking about trash day to me leaving in
the truck a couple of minutes later.
later, but I forgot to roll the trash out to the end of the curb if you don't mind doing that
for me and keeping this between us so Charles doesn't find out because at the end of the day,
the key here is I knew that it was trash day.
Yeah.
She's for the ha.
I remembered.
You just didn't make, do the action.
Yeah, exactly.
That's all that matters.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, the whole Stefan digstang was wild.
I mean, you do see stuff.
I think it was like the AFC championship game and you could see he's getting like a pretty
he's yelling at you.
He's being dramatic.
You're sitting there looking at the tablet ripping through.
whatever. He's, looks like he's being real theatrical about it. But if I go back to week two,
Monday night football, when we were playing y'all, like, once I got hurt, I'm in the,
I'm in the locker room watching the game. The chemistry of your team looks like you guys just
have so much fun. It looks, it literally looks like high school football. Like you guys are
just truly enjoying. And I texted David Lee, Questenberry, Roger Saffold, DeKuan Jones. I was like,
is it really what it seems like? And everyone was like, yes. So it was unique to see the whole thing
the AFC championship and then all the stuff now.
Yeah.
You know, like, maybe it wasn't as good as it's...
I will say this.
Steph, Steph is hyped up on game days.
He'll yell at me for good.
He'll yell at me for bad.
Like, and I want that from him.
I want him to tell me what's going on.
And, um, but again, like, when things are going good,
he's yelling at somebody because he's hyped up and he wants to see somebody do something.
And yeah.
So, you know, it is what it is.
He's one of the best receivers in the game.
That's my brother right there.
I freaking love him.
And everything else that's behind us and we're moving forward.
He's a guy that takes a lot of targets.
And obviously, DeAndre Hopkins comes into Buffalo.
He might be going there.
He might be going to Tennessee.
Had to go to the Patriots.
But Will tells a story of Colt McCoy when he was playing with the Cardinals.
And DeAndre's like, hey, just throw me the ball.
What are you doing?
Like, pulls him to the side.
If DeAndre does come to the bills, do you think that would,
what would that do for Stephon?
Would he take that and want that?
Or would that be something that he'd be like, I don't, less, less targets for?
him. Honestly, we haven't talked about any of that. I know that having talks with other people
in our building that he may be okay with that. I don't know until we get to the situation.
I couldn't give you a real answer, to be honest. For you, what's cool, what's cool,
like having you on the bus last year, like, I want to say by that time you said, signed your big
deal, but you're obviously, you know, you were still essentially in your rookie years. Now you are
a year later outside of that first year, your first deal, like having an NFL quarterback on the bus,
like talk to us about, like, what maturities get made? Like, how do you develop even more? How do you
work on your craft? Like, how is life different for an NFL quarterback going from like a rookie
contract and now you're like growing into being more of a guy, like a veteran in the locker room?
Yeah, I think the weight of your words matter a lot more, especially in the locker room and
talking to guys. And, you know, I try not to talk as much. I try to work and show, show,
guys in my locker room that like this guy wants it so when I'm in the building I'm in the building
we're working hard um and make no mistake about it I I have a lot of fun like I like you were saying
it's the best job in the world it really is like I get to come in and work out and hang out my guys
and joke around and go on the practice pool and throw a ball around like that's freaking cool yeah
you know so I try to let everybody know and feel how much I love it um just like
I'm going to do me, match me, and do you.
Right?
Like, enjoy this.
And I've been so fortunate to have some of the guys in my locker room.
You talk about Micah Hyde and Jordan Boyer, who I've been there for my entire time with
Dionne Dawkins, who's vivacious character.
He's awesome.
Oh, man.
What a word, too, vivacious.
Yes.
Nice.
He needed that.
He's, yeah.
Von Miller bringing him in and having to hang out with him and see how much he loves the game
and bringing a guy.
Like, just the guys that we've brought in have been fantastic.
and they share the same passion for the game that I do.
So it's been, it's been easy, man.
When you talk about, like, knowing that your words matter and everything else,
like as you've grown into the role that you have,
do you feel like it's important to speak up a little more,
maybe more than you're comfortable doing?
Because you're like, I do understand that I'm in this role
and I carry all this weight on the team.
Like, do you kind of, you know, push yourself to get out
and, like, speak up a little bit more because it does matter?
I'm trying to.
And that's always been a hard thing for me is like being the asshole, right?
Like, because it's not really who I am.
And I think being a leader, I think the main, like, the main thing for me is being as authentic as possible.
Or like, I don't, I don't read leadership books because I don't want somebody else's thoughts in my mind about how to be a good leader.
Like, sometimes you either got it or you don't.
That's my take on it.
Like, there's sports psychologists and all these people that can talk you through things.
again, I think that kind of takes away from being authentic.
And that, that to me, is the number one thing.
Just be me.
And it's worked out for me so far.
And, you know, in terms of getting respect from guys on the team and people in our building.
So just trying to continue to do that.
I'm talking about the mental aspect of everything.
Like, what is your process in the off season?
As soon as the season ends, like, what is your game plan as far as how long you take off?
What do you do?
From a mental standpoint, physical standpoint, where do you train?
stuff like that. Yeah, I think it's changed over the course of my career so far. Like, early on,
it was like, all right, let's throw, let's work out every, you know, four times a week.
I'm kind of like I was in OTAs the entire offseason. In the last couple years, it's like,
just get away, right? Like, let, because I played the game a little bit differently than most guys.
I take a lot of hits. Zero ball security. Zero ball security. Yeah, I'm out here.
You look for the physicality. I sometimes, and if I see Will Compton in the middle of the field,
I might be, I'm going straight right here.
You ain't fucking jumping over me.
I'll tell you that right now.
I'm going to have to come out of retirement.
Yeah, but like.
Special retirement announcement announced for real prompted, by the way.
Let's not get over that.
That's wild.
Well, I'm just saying, you know, the NFL's done their thing to hold me out.
I might have to go clean slate this year.
Your 10?
Would you consider it your 10?
Or 10.2?
10.2.
It'd be 10.2.
Because we gave it a go last year.
And I was in the building ready to sign.
But Roger Goodell and Tom Brady conspired.
I heard about that.
Yeah, about that.
You read the blog?
Twitter.
Yeah. You should read the blog. I'll shoot it to you.
Yeah. Thank you.
It has all the information that you need.
Perfect.
But you do play in Orthodox.
I do play in Orthodox, which, again, it's worked out for me.
And I'm not going to be young forever.
I'm not going to have this, the athleticism forever.
So trying to transition to being, you know, the guy that wins from within the pocket.
And that'll take time.
It's not going to be just this new guy overnight.
But in the off season, it's like,
get away, try not to do as much.
Like, still throw a little bit,
still work out a little bit,
and just try to maintain weight is really what I'm trying to do.
But enjoy and relax sometimes,
I think, allow my body to rest and recover.
Like, my strength coaches are going to hate that I,
then I'm going to say this.
The last two off seasons,
I haven't done really anything before OTAs.
And we have baseline tests.
In both years, I've come back and I've tested way higher
than I've ever tested in my entire career.
So, I'm going to keep doing that.
You think taking time off plays?
100%.
I think, again, there's guys that will be constantly working out and really take no time off.
I feel like those guys are always hurt.
You know, they're always dealing with like a soft tissue.
Yes.
Soft tissue.
There's a lot of stuff.
There's so many different factors, but you hear it all the time, you can't pull fat.
So staying a little bit chunky and.
And getting back into shape, I think that's a good process for me.
I don't know if it's great for everybody.
Yeah.
But I'm just a-
You've been fed on is what I've been trying to tell people for years.
Yeah.
You've got to have some cushion.
You've got to have some cushion.
Especially key.
Especially in Buffalo.
Keeps you warm too.
Yeah.
Especially practice, though.
Do you guys feel like you maybe practice too much sometimes?
Specifically, let's talk, I don't know.
COVID-year.
COVID-year Tuesday night game.
Yeah.
Playing the Titans, you guys had to stay in shape for.
we just went on Zoom calls and you guys found out took you to the backyard i wish there was a team
that like with the shed yeah let them know you threw a couple of picks in that game one i don't
you know it wasn't me but i bet if i was out there would have been me yeah no no doubt no i would
have fucking went right there um i i wish there was a team that did some experimental things
like that were like we're not even going to practice we did boys i know i know but like we're
We tried me.
We fucking did that.
But like for real, like the entire season.
Like, I won my practice this week, but we're going to take a couple weeks off and send you your stuff.
We'll do some Zoom calls and we'll figure it out on Sunday.
Wasn't that the most nuts situation of all time?
We didn't know if we were playing tomorrow.
We didn't know if we were playing Sunday.
We didn't know if we were playing Sunday.
We didn't know a player Monday.
Tuesdays.
Like, it was so up in the air.
And then I think we had a Thursday night game the next week.
So we had to get that switch from Thursday to either Sunday or Monday.
I don't remember.
It's kind of a blur, but that was nuts.
We were supposed to play the Steelers.
Like three days before we played y'all, they're like, all right, hey, game plans out.
We're playing the bills now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I remember, like, we did one walkthrough of that whole, whatever, eight, nine days.
And I'm literally thinking to myself, brother, we're going to get blown the fuck out.
Yeah.
You just got to buckle up.
Yeah.
Did you really?
Doing a couple of our meetings, like, just at the Bobby Hotel.
Yeah.
I was like rolling out, just kind of hanging out, like, man, are we even?
gonna fucking play these guys.
And then Tuesday night.
And man, you guys did not answer the bell.
I remember being on the phone with Trump Murphy.
Like, hey, what are you guys doing?
He's like, bro, we fucking, we were just running gassers at practice.
Nuts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So less is more is what you're saying.
To all the kids out here watching, see me on the Madden.
No, no, no, no, no.
Don't work hard.
Focus on.
That process works on doing it.
Josh Allison says the Buffalo Bills do way too much.
Yeah.
No.
Just fuck with you.
Now that I'm an established five-year vet,
It's year six for me that this is the process I found that helps for me the most.
Doesn't worry.
Again, let's call a spade of spade.
I'm not everybody.
Yeah.
And you're also.
A borderline hymn comment.
Yeah.
The borderline him comment.
Is that a him comment?
No.
Maybe.
If you win the Super Bowl this year, is that...
Are you him?
I think, too.
I think, too.
He's also a quarterback.
You are a physical specimen, all this ton of...
You do all these theatrics.
You're very physical and everything else.
But all the officers.
season, like, not doing anything else. I could work more in the line of quarterback. Yeah,
this kind of hit. Then, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking get ready to go. Like, for us, like,
I don't really, like, you've seen so many different quarterbacks and body types, like, all that
matters is here up, right? Like, well, then here over, too. Well, yeah. Here up. Yeah, there
go. You'll be careful. You got to be careful. Got to be careful. It's tough, man. There are some bad
body ballers out there.
Yeah.
But you,
I mean,
you don't look like it.
When you have the,
especially with all whites on.
Just you just get exposed with the all white uniforms.
Once I go,
once I go back in,
like I work hard and I get back into shape real quick.
Yeah.
But like I teeter around 242.
That's kind of my weight.
That's my fine weight, right?
242.
So I teetered between 238 and 244.
Tetering.
Tetering.
Teetering.
You what?
225.
I don't know if you'd be able to handle that mass in the middle, brother.
242.
24. That's my target hunting weight, dude.
That's who I fucking seek out. Oh, yeah.
You'd find it you'd have no problem.
No problem, O'Neill. Josh Allen did?
What's up?
It's warm on the bus. It's warm on the bus. Don't let him out of caffeine.
I've been rocking this coal brew and as the boys know.
Do you want me to save you a little bit?
Yeah, it does. Like, the cold brews, I love them, but they make me...
Ancy.
Yeah, antsy. They really do.
I'll come in the... Whoa. I'll go on the other side of the bus sometimes and he's just kind of
pacing around walking. I'm like, hey, boys, what's up the bill? I was like, I cold brew.
I got them again. I had to heat up my food one day, and I just stood and was just like looking out
the warehouse. Like, I had to stand and eat and kind of just walk around. Like, there's so much
going on in my brain that I didn't know how to like hone anything in. But anyway, that's why
I'm sweating. Working through it. You think I sweat you, brother? I'll tell you, well, we beat the Buffalo
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Unfortunately, Lashom Kroon.
No, LaShaul McCoy
did a little option route on our boy DB.
DB should have kept outside leverage
because he had help on the inside.
A little spin move.
Yeah, a little spin move got shook
and then he got it on third down.
But if we went on third down,
we ultimately win that game.
So technically we didn't...
You guys didn't win that game.
If you scored more points than us,
you would have won that game.
For sure.
Like Tuesday night.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
But in my own personal journey,
that should have been when I was on the field.
But the coaches wanted a little more
speed on the field.
Yeah.
Yeah. But you see how that works out. You need a little bit more IQ. You don't need all the speed in the world.
You're up. Yeah. Who was the linebacker, though, that you're calling out here?
A raw room, Darren Bates.
Darren Bates. We can have, and we can see that.
Aaron Bates got his ass exposed. It's a will say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what we'll say. He's
been about it in that. He's talked about it. I didn't say I should have been out there. But, brother, I should have been out there.
Then Wesley Woodier against the Chargers. You did bring up that. You should have been in there.
No, that's when I was on the couch just watching the game.
But if you were out.
I was yelling at the screen for the coaches to get him fucking.
This is exactly why you need to check rat and not let your middle linebackers go out
and cover Austin Echler one-on-one when he's the fucking one receiver.
I hate when D-Corporonators, you know, check, check something.
You got to play to your guy's strengths.
Play the strength.
Yeah, you got to play their strengths.
But if you were out there on Austin Echler, you know what we call that?
What check we would give?
House call?
Milk check.
What's the milk check?
That's pretty self-expected.
You know, you're 2%.
brother. I'm that skim, no, I'm scim, bro. Skim milk? I'm skim now. I was whole milk.
You were whole. Yeah, I was whole. But I've lost a few pounds.
Yeah, you look good. Yeah, I'm more of a skim milk kind of guy. But I love that. Milk check?
Nope.
Will you be like, hey, we got white linebacker out there. We're going. Double move.
Do you have checks like that?
You have milked? He's trying to think of all of his wording.
You think white guys don't belong in the NFL.
Oh, okay. Whoa. I just, I'm just, I'm just, just, you know. I'm just, just,
I'm trying to get my bearings here.
I mean, I don't think so.
You guys got a stud?
You guys got a stud white on defense.
Matt, yeah.
Who is it?
Matt Milano.
But he's Italian.
Yeah, he's a different.
No, he's a different.
He's a different.
He's got a claim.
We get the claim.
No, we get the claim.
He's not white.
Stop saying that.
Matt Milano is olive.
He is olive.
He's an impressive specimen, too.
I think we're getting to the point here where we just
kind of leave the Caucasians in the trenches.
And just kind of let them ride, you know?
Let them get out there, hardworking, gritty.
Dude, it's an honor to be on the field
and you're like the only Caucasian out there.
It's got to be having a lot more when you're on defense.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And when it's like notice and the boys are like,
hey, Will, you know you're the only white dude out here?
And I'm like, trust me, I've noticed the entire time.
Trust me.
I've been waiting for somebody else to see this.
I've been for you guys to, man.
Yeah.
So, yeah, Josh Allen doesn't like.
White guys on the field.
No, I love them.
Oh, easy.
No, because I get to give a milk check.
Yeah, yeah, a milk check.
Oh, my, my.
So you guys really didn't.
He's just like, milk.
Milk.
Is that a real call?
Milk.
Is that a real call?
Milk.
That's so funny.
It's got to be a good time, too.
Like, when you're in the game playing,
and it's like, hey, if we get this situation,
everybody kind of smiles, like, milk.
Yeah.
Milk check.
Yeah.
You see it over there?
We'll just be watching from TV.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Actually, just called the milk check right there.
Being a...
Hold on, let's talk about his ball security.
Okay.
Is that something variable points out every time we play y'all?
I'm a big, big ball security guy.
Have you ever been chewed out by your coaches?
All the time.
But you just choose not to be coachable.
He's like, my strength coaches are going to hate that I say this.
He's like, now my actual coaches are going to hate that I say this.
Yes, I need to be better in that area.
Why do you think you don't just tuck it?
High and tied five points of pressure.
Do you feel more elusive that way?
He doesn't like anybody else's opinions.
It takes away from his authenticity.
He makes it full.
He's got to say him.
He's going to do him.
He's got to match him and do you.
Don't listen to the coaches.
That's not me.
It's really turned.
This is turned in a hurry.
When I tuck it, especially in the pocket, I can't throw it.
Right.
So I have to keep it here.
So like...
But you roll out of the pocket.
I do.
Do you know your stats rolling out right to left?
Is it much different?
Much different.
Okay.
Left's worse?
I believe so, yeah.
If you roll out to your left, it's not as good as rolling out to your right.
Gotcha.
That is a game plan against you, by the way.
I'm giving you some insight game.
Don't get the boys.
You know, the boys.
We still need the boys to play well.
Do you play them this year?
No.
Yeah, but if they do.
Yeah.
Because that is a...
That is a nugget.
That's a nugget that...
Oh, no.
I would seriously look at it.
You're like...
The way coaches in the past, I'm not going to say what head coach I played for in the NFL.
Who I love Raves.
I fucking love them.
He was all time.
But everyone does when you're not directly on his team.
Yeah.
Will does get body bagged.
Yeah, he does get fucking shot up quite a bit.
When you roll out, I can't remember if it's your right or left.
We roll it to your left, it's just not an ex-play.
Yeah.
You're still making passes.
But when you roll out to your right, and I might be mixing up the sides.
Yeah, no, it's my right.
My right's much better than go on my left.
I know that.
And I think that's true for every quarterback, to be honest.
Do you think teams notice that besides the Titans and try to keep you roll out to the left?
Yeah.
would say so, but I still get right.
Sometimes.
He's like, I still get busy.
I mean, what was the final score of that game last year?
Like, 41, 17.
No, we don't know I thought about it.
It was bad.
It was an absolute bludgeoning.
By the way, let's give some flowers to Bill's Mafia.
Yeah.
Those people.
The best.
Yeah.
2018, I got an argument.
They're on the cover of Madden 24 if you didn't know that.
Really?
Yeah.
You have the actual picture they're going to use?
That's the one we were talking about.
That was it?
Yeah, yeah.
I thought he was going from the photo shoot today.
I think he's doing more stuff.
That was for like the TV spot commercial deal.
You got some good lines?
No, I don't say nothing.
It was that right there?
Look at the face mask.
You see the bar on the right side, how it doesn't come in the middle.
Man, it's Bill's Mafia.
That's legit Bill's Mafia, too.
They were in L.A.
Is it terrifying for you to go out in Buffalo?
That is sick.
You get hounded.
Is it terrifying what?
For him to go out?
around Buffalo.
Yeah, because it's like a small town.
I mean, what is?
A wing spot or two, and that's it?
A whole lot going on.
Sometimes.
But it's all out of, like, good places in people's hearts.
Right?
Like, they just want to say hi.
They want to say, go bills.
I don't go out too often.
They only, like, I'll go to dinners every once in a while,
but other than that, I stay home.
It's got to be a good place not to get in trouble.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I like to have the guys over to the house,
so they don't.
find trouble elsewhere.
Mm-hmm.
Like you're going to get in trouble.
You can stay here.
You can have a guitar.
I might hit the simulator and just don't take anything from the top shelf, please, without
telling me.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
I love that rule.
Don't take anything from the top shelf.
Without telling you.
Really the top right shelf.
That's my brown water.
What are your favorites?
I'm a pappy guy.
I got a few pappies.
I got a micters, a couple of mictors 20 years, which are great.
But if I'm just drinking, like, Mictor's 10-year, some weller.
I got, I have really good brown water.
I like the fact you call it brown water.
Yeah.
What's your favorite go-to, just casual?
Like, the thing you want to ask for, whether you're at somebody's house, like, do you have this?
Um, you go to a bar.
Well, if I'm, like, if I'm, if I'm at dinner, like, say it's an old-fashioned, it's an old-fashioned.
But it's like for, uh, Woodford.
You know, Woodford Reserve.
Start in there.
Nice, man.
Yeah.
Well, ice.
Yeah.
I mean, that's, I would have thought maybe something a little higher priced.
But Woodford is, Woodford is fired.
In the Woodford world, I like the rye.
I also like Angels Envy Rye.
That's my actual favorite.
Yes.
Like, if you buy a bottle, like the Angels Vy Rye, that green, because they have a
bourbon and then they have a rye.
And that, they, uh, it comes out of a Caribbean rum cask.
So you get that little caramel-y Caribbean flavor, that little rum flavor in there.
It's my favorite whiskey.
Pappy makes a tequila, too.
You didn't know that.
I did not know that.
Corzone.
Corzone.
Big tequila guy.
Taylor's a big tequila guy.
It's bottled in Buffalo Trace barrels.
It's actually really good.
It is a smoky flavor.
It does.
Almost like a mescal.
Not as harsh.
I am not a mescal guy.
I see, I'm a mescal guy.
I like it.
I can't do it.
I love the smokyness.
It's not good.
Because I always hated tequila.
Like, you know, everybody's got their bad party experience.
or they're yakking.
Mine happened to be tequila.
So I didn't like tequila for the long
because I've been coming around recently.
But I felt like I got back into it
because mescaled that's smoky flavor
because I'm more of a whiskey guy too.
Your first time throwing up was tequila?
Like, not like first time throwing up,
but like big moment of like, you know,
this tasted awful.
And then it came up and I was at a wedding
and got half in the trash can,
half on the bar.
Nobody saw it turned around and walked off.
But from that moment it like,
it was like that time where you just had that connection
that anytime I smelt it,
It was like, I'm about to be sick.
That's how it was for me.
I hated to fuck with tequila.
Yeager bodybagged me in high school one time.
Yeah.
And I literally, unless it's a Vegas bomb.
I don't only do Vegas bombs anymore, but in college, I would do those.
Yeah.
What was your, what was your, Captain Morgan?
No way.
Oh.
I love Sue Morgan in college.
Loved it.
Got the pirate on there.
Got me hyped up.
Yeah.
You threw up?
Oh, yeah.
What was the situation?
High school party.
It's actually, you know, first year in college.
Of age.
Nice.
Of course.
It was me and my, I was with four of the roommates and we, between five us, finished a handle.
And it was downhill from there.
Yeah.
And so since then, you don't even want to look at Captain Morgan.
Don't even look at it.
Yeah, but also Captain Morgan.
Yeah.
The cheaper bottle of rum.
For sure.
For sure.
He said college.
Yeah, but I'm saying now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There had no reason to touch Captain Morgan.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
with vodka for a while and I've finally started to turn the leaf on vodka.
Yeah. You're a big golf guy.
Huge. I got to go take my daughter to the doctor's point.
You got to leave right now?
Got to go right now. All right.
By the way, you see that he's got some handshakes now.
That's got to be insane. I can remember all those handshap.
Oh, you can go to the big dog seat.
Oh, hey, I don't.
Yeah, you're done.
Milk.
Milk. Milk. Milk.
Hey, Gary.
All right. I love you, bye.
Jim.
Bye.
seen a little bit.
Big golf guy.
What's been your favorite place to play recently?
Hoopie Match Club.
Where's that at?
Give me some context.
Garretton, we got some golfers back there, but I'm not as much.
It's in Georgia, like, middle of nowhere.
It's off dirt roads.
The coolest, like, boys' trip you can ever take.
You do an annual boy trip with it, or is this something you played at one time?
I just like, I've gone there twice in the last two months.
It's really cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like they've got putting greens at night.
You can turn the lights on and just hang out there for hours and just top crap and bet and just have a good time.
Of course, itself, it's got 22 holes.
It's got the best jerky you'll ever eat in your entire life.
Like, it is awesome.
It's like walking only.
The caddies have little speakers that they carry and it's just a blast.
What are a couple of like the coolest things you've got to do?
in your spot that you've had access to, you know,
within like, you know, since the rise within the last two or three years.
Like, you're like, fuck, man, I can't believe I'm, like, getting to do this.
Well, there's a couple courses that I've played that are...
Whether it's golf or anything else.
Probably golf.
I mean, it's just, it...
My life in the offseason kind of revolves around it.
Like, I just, I love it.
But just the opportunity to, one, go to, like, these golf tournaments.
I had the PGA championship in Oak Hill.
this in May, which is an hour and a half from Buffalo,
and it's like five minutes from where we train at an office seat,
or bird training camp, St. John Fisher.
But like to walk through there and like,
obviously, like they just grab us a cart and they drive us straight to the 15th chalet there.
And we sit out there with me and my boys.
It's my birthday weekend too.
So it was like, it was a fun time.
Yeah.
But just like, it is still surreal to me that because I play the game of football,
that I'm allowed to go and experience all these cool opportunities.
opportunities and experiences.
What, like when you say your all season kind of revolves around golf, like when the all
season hits, do you kind of have a schedule, like the golfing schedule going on?
They'd be like, all right, we're going to go here, here, here.
You kind of have that mapped out beforehand.
Yeah, but like as moments come up, you're like, all right, let's.
The first thing that's said is when is the Masters?
Yeah.
You know, I have to wrap it.
That's like the number one thing.
All right.
What am I getting there?
How long am I staying there?
Right.
Like, that's the first trip that I plan out.
Yeah.
It's usually at first or second week of April.
It's the best.
Who's your favorite?
Who are your favorite golfers?
Right now?
Yeah.
Give me three.
Not including tagger.
That's my number.
This isn't like a ranking either.
Like, who are three your favorite guys that you just fucking root for.
Yeah.
I root for Ricky.
I was rooting for him hard this weekend.
Justin Thomas is up there.
I'd go one more.
Oh, Keith Mitchell.
It's my guy.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's Casimir Keith, baby.
Gary fired out.
What?
Notice that you will.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I saw him at Riviera.
I was following around on Sunday at LACC.
That's what it's really cool.
I've three for three this year at the majors.
I've been able to play the Monday after.
I think that's my number one thing I've gotten to experience.
You've gotten to play the day after the term?
Four conditions at Augusta, Oak Hill, and LACC.
Damn, that is sick.
What do you think about all this,
what do you think about all the PGA Live stuff?
I don't know enough to give like a complete answer.
I'm just talking about you scrolling, like doing all of us.
I will say that the guys that went with Liv, right,
some of them got the bag, which is good for them.
You know, I'm never going to say no to that.
I don't like how some guys are saying that if they want back in the PGA,
they're going to have to pay it fine.
If they went back in the PGA, then they're going to have a fine.
What you see that?
So, like, if they wanted to get back on the PGA tour, some of these love guys,
they would have to pay a hefty fine to basically clear their name and allow them to go play
in the PGA tour events, which I don't agree with.
They took the chance by going over to live of never playing again, and then the whole merger
happens, which I don't know if it's an actual merger.
I don't know if that's completely done yet.
but there were some guys saying
they've got to pay a fine to get back into
whether it's the DP tour or the PJ.
Damn.
There's a lot of juicy drama in the golf world.
I don't follow that closely,
but obviously when that merger or whatever was happening that day.
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Back to Josh Allen.
That was obviously a massive headline.
Another question, but on the opposite end, being you, like, what would have been some of the
cons of everybody wanting your attention all the time?
Obviously, you know, fussing with the boys.
But everybody wanting you to come to their events and everything else, like,
what have been some of like the, you know, yeah, I guess the cons of being in the spot you're
in?
I'd say it's more like
because I'm a homebody.
I don't like going out too much.
My sister's wedding
and I was like it's her day
and I felt like I was getting bombarded
by people at her wedding
which I knew some of them I didn't know all that well
because it's her wedding.
She had a large wedding
and I felt so bad
because I thought like it was distracting for her
and it was like everybody's here for her
but I was getting a lot of attention
from people that I like
I grew up around and I knew and like it became a little bit too much and I was like I need to
get out here. I need like so that that one was a hard one for me when I was just like I didn't want
I didn't want that you know I didn't want anybody having to pull anybody away from me or I didn't
have like I didn't want to feel like that at her wedding because I just wanted to be there for her
yeah so that one was tough other than that like I get it like I'm the guy that I want wanted to be as a
kid. Like the professional quarterback.
I didn't really understand maybe what came along with it, all that much.
But again, I made my bet if that's what I got to do on the other, like, those are the
cons. I'll take those cons, you know, with the pros that come with it in the day of the week.
So you got a squad like CA to kind of help.
Exactly. Yeah. Schedule all those things. Say no.
Yeah.
Just the first offseason I've had like a legit calendar where I can pull it up like the Google
Cal on my phone and be like, I know exactly where I'm supposed to be at exact, what exact time.
So, like, that's made my life, like, more easy.
If that makes sense, it's like, I don't have to stress about.
Because I used to be like, what are you doing this weekend?
Josh, I'm like, I don't know.
What are you doing today?
I don't know.
I wake up and I'll figure it out, you know?
Right, right, right.
By the way, you got, you got to shoot tomorrow.
You know, they're coming to pick you up at 8 o'clock.
I was shit, you know, so.
Like, I forgot I said.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So do you make it back home a lot?
Like, do you get back home a lot?
Did you used to compared to now?
No, not that much.
I'd like to because there's some food in my hometown that is, like, killer.
So every time I go up there, like, I'd go to the same spot like two or three times.
If I'm there for three days, I go there every day.
Yeah.
Fireball restaurant.
It's a super original name.
Which restaurant?
It's called Fireball Restaurant.
Fireball Restaurant.
It's the best Mexican food.
Shout out to Fireball Restaurant.
Shout out of Fireball Restaurant.
What are a couple of opportunities that you've had to turn down?
because of scheduling conflicts or having to be some more mandatory,
and you're like, man, I got phone moments that's on on that.
Or it would have been cool to go to that.
Right now, I don't know if I could think of one because I'm,
I can't think that far in the past, really.
Yeah.
But I will say this, I'm in the season of yes right now.
So if I get asked to go somewhere cool, it's like, yeah, yeah, I'll go.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's like, it's been a fun off season.
Just a couple golf trips that I was like, I probably should have went on that.
Yeah, big golf guy.
Big golf guy.
Big golf guy.
You see out of trouble, you know.
Do you go out to the one that tournament in Tahoe?
Is that what it is?
Yeah, we're all the, it feels, is it a lot of players and celebrities?
Is that like a big celebrity tournament?
Because I see McAfee.
He's on the simulator right now, training for it.
Pats out of the boy, Pat.
He was out there.
When is that?
When is that?
July, I'm going the 11th through the 16th, but it's the 14th, 15th, 16th.
That seems like a fun time.
It seems like everybody has a blast out there.
It's awesome.
Are there any things that you would like to do in the future?
So say, like we had Travis on yesterday, he got to host SNL.
He wants to be in like, you know, hit a movie one day, like be like an actor.
But not like a, he wants to be in like a comedy.
He would love to like make an appearance in a comedy or play a role in a comedy.
Are there any things that you would like to do outside of being a quarterback and being a golfer?
I like, I think about this all the time, like after, especially after I'm done.
done playing, which hopefully isn't for another 10 to 15 years, whatever it is.
I kind of want to do the Tim Duncan route. It's going to disappear.
Like, I don't want to be too much in the spotlight. Like I, like I said, I'm a homebody.
But like traveling is one thing I definitely want to do. I've only been across the pond once.
But I went to Monaco for the Grand Prix a couple years ago, which was really, really freaking
cool. But I was there for two and a half, three days and then bounced right back to Buffalo.
I haven't spent much time in like, I want to go to Ireland, Scotland, play some golf courses there.
I really want to go to Japan.
I've never been there.
What for?
The food.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm a big sushi guy.
Nice.
Yeah.
And like the architecture there is really cool.
It seems super futuristic, like with the technologies that they got.
So I think that'd be pretty cool, too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I've vowed to myself again, then we've got another golf comment too, that I'm going to play
the top 100 courses in the world. Okay. And I got 10 down. I got 10 down. And like there's
yeah so like you could do like one of the Hamptons trip and knock out another three or four like so
but Australia sneaky good golf. There's like five or six on the top 100. So if you make a trip out
there like I'd probably spend two or three weeks out there and just try to go to all of them and knock them
all out and my brother-in-law's from Australia. Yeah. Yeah. So I got to get out. Does he get the
accent? Super thick.
Love that. We love to have a conversation with him.
When he gets, when he gets drunk, you cannot understand him.
Sorry, Braden.
Even when he's not drunk, it's like, we've asked, like, he's starting to get a little more
clear in talks, but there's been somebody like, what'd you say?
And he gets kind of frustrated because after the third, like, I can't understand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anybody got any questions in the back?
I got one.
In Buffalo, a lot of people are on the blue cheese.
over a ranch with wings.
Are you on that?
Where do you stand on Blue Cheese and Ranch for wings?
Blue cheese in Buffalo is different.
It's, Blue Cheese is him.
Blue cheese is him in Buffalo.
Like, it's not even close.
Like, there's...
What do you mean in Buffalo?
It's...
Brother, blue cheese is garbage.
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
Not.
No, Blue Cheese is fantastic.
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That's like her trailer.
Over Blue Cheese.
cheese ranch debate. It's not even close. So you're a blue cheese over ranch guy?
1,000%. I got to defend my guy here. I'm from upstate New York, too.
Stephen, you just got here, brother. It was made in-house. It's fresh. It's creamy. It's
really good. And it's, I mean, it goes perfect with wings. It does. That's the idea. You've put a
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Um, Stephen, you got anything? I do know you are. You were.
I'm representing Bill's Mafie. So I'm just along for the ride here.
Do you have any questions for this?
I didn't hear the golf stuff was like awesome. I mean, the O-Kill stuff. So like, I used to work in Rochester.
So it was, I knew the course you'd go up and, you know, junior tournaments, all the rest of it.
So like, I can't imagine getting to watch the pros on that course. And then, I mean, we used to hear stories of Eric Wood and, uh, and all the guys just before your generation going to O-Kill right before training camp.
shitty Buffalo teams.
Easy.
Well, I mean, listen, I covered some of those teams.
Kyle Williams was the man back then.
But I used to hear...
That's what I used to hear is like he and Eric were like sticks back in the day.
Can I just say something?
I'm going to do a slight flex.
Okay.
Last day I played at the American Century with Kyle.
And I beat him.
That's a flex?
Because he's a stud?
He's a stud.
He had a bad day and I had a good day.
And that's what it took.
But I went 82.
He went 83.
And he almost won at the year before.
And I've never, never even sniffed like the top 50.
So nice.
I went out there, beat him.
And he was pissed.
Do you guys have any plan?
Are there any, like, planned golf events for, you know how you, last year it was,
uh, it was you and Pat versus Aaron and Tom, right?
Yep.
Do you guys have, do you have anything playing this year?
No, not this year.
The match is Patton, Travis, versus Steph and Clay.
Hmm.
Do you feel slighted?
No.
All right.
All right.
I know, no.
Twisted question. Do we get to bring that out?
Oh, shoot.
I got two quick questions. Are you playing in Lake Tahoe this year?
Do you know who you're partnered with?
No, not yet. We'll find out literally the day we get there.
Who do you hope you're partnered with?
Who are a couple guys you'd love to be partnered with?
I did love playing with Kyle Williams last year.
Obviously, I was with him for my first year in Buffalo.
Really, really good dude.
I played with Pat and Travis last year, which is a blast.
Travis is a fun time to be around.
Yeah.
You can tell me.
He's got that energy.
He's got the vibe.
He does.
You can feel it.
You can feel it.
He likes to have a good time.
Playing with Aaron would be cool.
I like Aaron.
Would you rather play with someone not in your profession?
So I played with Joe Mauer a couple years ago, the catcher.
That was really fun.
He was a really good dude.
And I played.
with who else did I play with
I'm not even going to try
to name the name because now I'm going to feel bad
but I do like
meeting new guys and yeah
that'd be fun too
what's your handicap I'm at a 7
right now we would have a good
time yeah okay what's yours
G 7 hell yeah oh
G's got a little stroke on them now
whoa pause both on the course
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solid
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Can you tell a twisted story?
Maybe about a time of Dave and Busters.
Twisted story.
Time of David and Busters.
I don't know what you're talking about.
This is years ago,
but this is years ago.
It's not a good question because I left before.
The festivity.
Damn.
Well, could be a good question because obviously we can edit this up.
Because I'm trying to think of like, you know, anytime you're like, do you have a great locker room story?
Like a fucking one that people don't know about or it's just going to be all time whether you're sitting around a, you know, a grill one day.
I mean, there's a couple, but I won't say.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, you know, something that would be like appropriate, but that's also inappropriate.
But something that, you know, is digestible.
Yeah, touches the line a little bit.
A twisted story that's out there.
Do I pee in the pool?
Absolutely not.
Well, okay, okay, hold up.
Depends what type of pool and whose pool it is.
You got a pool, if you have a pool in your backyard, you got people over.
Are you going to pee in the pool?
No, I'm, I will be, no pun intended, pissed if people piss in my pool.
Then, you know, I expect an invitation, but you'll be upset with me.
All right, then you're not.
I'm coming over, you know, brother.
No.
No.
But if I'm in a, like, I grew up swimming and, like, competitively and, like, huge public pools.
And sometimes you're in a long race.
And it's like, you got to go, man.
So that I will when you're, like, in the middle of a big race.
Sure.
Yeah.
And that's okay.
I think so.
Somebody else is coming right.
It's water, though, volume of water.
You know, like the urine to water ratio.
It stays under.
And those pools are so heavily coordinated.
It doesn't matter.
Mine's a nice salt water pool that doesn't have much chlorinated.
in it and you got to keep it nice.
So you don't pee in the hot, hot and cold tubs at the facility?
No, no.
Do you?
You've peed in hot and cold tubs.
Yeah.
No, you haven't.
Yeah, I promise.
Why would I lie to you?
That's disturbing, Will.
Bro, it's filled with high levels of chlorine and chemicals.
It's way worse for us than, you know, a little bit of urine.
That's a psychopath mentality right there.
You know that.
No, bro.
You never just, you know.
That's a tiny little pool.
But urine is.
used to clean things. Yeah, man. It's sterile. Yeah. Some could argue that it is,
should be in like the medicine field. We should be peeing on more things. Are you drinking your own
pee? If I need to. Yeah, you get stung by a jellyfish. I can't give you that one. I know, like,
there's no question that some of the boys have peed. Like, why you're in the cold tub and I'm sure they have,
but. I'm surprised you never having the hot tub. Like, once you get in and, you know, you get the
little whirlpools, the little single whirlpools. Oh, the metal.
Got you.
Smart.
That is a smart move.
That is a smart move.
Do you have a story?
No twisted stories for you.
Maybe off the bus.
Maybe off the bus.
I won't go there.
Tighten you plug.
Like, you're one of the few star quarterbacks that comes to tight in you.
Like, what kind of makes you want to come to the event?
Hell yeah, JP.
Because I'll get to hang with the boys.
I love George.
I love Travis.
George asked me, I think, the first two years that he had it,
and I didn't come.
And then last year he asked me, Kim, was like,
I literally go out there and throw the ball.
Like, they're running like a little five-yard route,
and I just did that, right?
So it's easy work for me.
I still get to get some throwing in.
Obviously, I got Dalton.
I got Dawson, Dalton, and Quentin Morris here this year.
So three of my tight ends in Buffalo,
which is to be able to, like, sit there and listen to some of the best guys in the league
talk about.
different releases and in intricacies of playing tied-in.
I think that's fun to do.
And then, yeah, it's hanging with the boys.
Love that.
Man, we appreciate your time.
Like, we'll all be a tight-in you today.
I don't know what all you have,
but thanks for coming on the bus, man.
It's always fucking fun.
Same time next year?
Same time next year.
You're going to be here at Titan-you-again?
Come on now.
This could be an annual thing.
I know.
Hopefully you don't have anything in L.A. the day before,
so you can get here a little early
and we can have, like, you know,
like the round one you had last year.
some brown water.
Yeah.
We can hit a, yeah, we can hit a pool party.
Nope.
If I see Will jumping in the pool, I'm jumping out.
No chance.
No, but thanks, man.
Appreciate you, bro.
Appreciate you, bro.
All right, boys.
That was fun.
Great.
That was a fun one.
That was a fun one, man.
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