Bussin' With The Boys - Josh Dobbs Reflects On The Jaguars Game, Teaches The Boys About Outer Space + Speaks On Life As A Backup QB In The NFL

Episode Date: January 10, 2023

Recorded: January 9 2022 | This weeks episode features Titans QB Josh Dobbs fresh off their game against the Jaguars. He speaks on their devastating loss and what he would have done differently in the game. Dobbs also dives into his time with the Steelers, Browns and the Lions and what it is like being a journeyman backup QB in the NFL. The Boys then dive into outer space talk and pick the brain of our smartest guest of all time. Also the Boys react react to the firing of Titans OC Todd Downing and others. Buckle up and enjoy the ride. ----- 0:00 Intro 1:15 Where Josh was when he got the call from titans 4:00 Dan campbells vibe as a head coach 5:50 Dobbs time in Cleveland 11:00 Dobbs time with Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh 16:15 Signing and starting for the Titans all in one week 35:15 Jeffrey Simmons contract talk 50:50 Dobbs advice to a rookies first offseason 57:15 Recap of Jacksonville Jaguars game 1:14:00 Hopes going into next season 1:22:00 Dobbs is a Certified Rocket Scientist 1:39:00 Tier Talk 1:46:00 Shoutout no Free shoutout ---- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ---- SUPPPORT OUR SPONSORS Chevy Silverado: The Strongest, Most Advanced Silverado Ever. Rhoback: Go to https://barstool.link/RhobackBSS and use the code “BOYS” for 20% off your first purchase! Proper Wild: Go to https://barstool.link/ProperwildBSS to try Proper Wild 30% Off.For more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, rocket scientists. And he started laying down information using words that I have to go Google later. I had to call Charles, ask her about the definition of some of those words. I was mouth wide open. You were consuming all of it, dude. It was truly incredible. I hope you guys enjoy.

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I'm stoked. I'm stoked. And also, like, everything I transpired, the last three weeks, two weeks? I don't know how long it's been. It's been like 20 days? No way. You're saying? I think the game was 18 days.

Wow. That's crazy. You got to put that mic up a little closer to your face. When we do start, we're kind of rolling right now. I can be staying. If it doesn't, it doesn't. When you got the call, where were you when you got the call from the Titans? So I was in the QB meeting after Detroit.

So I woke up in Cleveland. And so like Detroit to Cleveland was like two hours. So I was driving back to Cleveland on the off days just so I could sit in my own bed, wash my underwear, and then go back. So we played in New York on Sunday. Landed. I drove back to Cleveland for the night. shipped home all my Christmas stuff, like washed my bag. I had like four pairs of sweatpants.

And I packed for the week and then Christmas to go home. Yeah. So I drove to Detroit, had practice. I went through like a full basically Wednesday. And then I was in the QB meeting afterwards. And they're like, my agent called me. I practiced. I called him back.

He said, hey, I think the Titans want to sign you. And he's like, all right. This could be one of those things where they call and like nothing happens or it could happen fast or just keep your phone on you. I was like, I'm back. Going back to the meeting. Sat there with phone on silent and then it starts buzzing. So it was my agent calling.

So yeah, they want to sign you. And then Ryan called. And then I walked back in the room and said, you know, I got a flight to catch a 815. No way. Is it a team meeting or what meeting was? A quarterback meeting?

Yeah. Quarterback meeting? Willie is officially on the bus for those of you. Yeah, we just started, I mean, talking. And then I saw the numbers rolling. So I thought we might as well just get going. My man's in Cleveland. So I'm assuming you live in Cleveland full time.

time. That's like, it's home. I mean, no. No, no, kind of like a nomad. Like, I want to make Nashville home. Yeah. So I just have a, but I just have a apartment up there. I just had it through the season. It ends in February. And you were driving from Cleveland to Detroit. Driving from Cleveland to Detroit. My man had a, uh, just packed for like the week and then Christmas. And he's sitting, he's sitting in meetings in Detroit. He, uh, during practice gets a call from his agent, agent calls his agent back. He's like, hey, the Titans might want to sign you. But you don't know, like it might be one of those things. Who knows what's going on? He's sitting in a meeting. His phone starts getting.

going off. He picks up the phone. He's like, yeah, they definitely want to sign you. And then he gets on the phone with RC, Ryan Cowden. And then that's where we're at right now. So he's like, so you walk back in the meeting and you're like, I got to go. I was like, well, he's like, there's an 815 flight. Can you make it? It's like 6 o'clock. Yeah. Um, in Detroit. And they're like, we want you to dress on Saturday. And it's Tuesday. I'm like, I got to make that 815 flight. So I can get there at least, like get a good night's sleep. Like get the playbook as early as possible.

I was like, yeah, I'll make it. So I went straight in the room and said, I know I've been here for two weeks, but I got to head to the airport. The Titans are shining me. Like, shook, Jared, Nate, brew shook everyone's hands,

a QB room. So it was up to the OC upstairs and the GM and went straight to the airport. So I'm still on like that same bag. I got like four pairs of sweatpants, two pairs of jeans, just thugging it. Just thugging through it, dude.

That's wild. What's the head coach's name for the lines? Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell. What was his, you were there for two weeks, but what was his vibe? Because he seems like.

He's awesome. A football guy. He seems like a... People would argue, not us. We're not going to argue this, but people are saying he might be cool with the Mike Rable from like a vibe standpoint. I would say they're both up there

because they played. You know what I mean? Like, they get it. Just like the ebbs and flows of a season, like the emotions of it. As players, like, getting away for practice on a Wednesday late in the season.

Like, they just get it. Like, they walk in the room, they get it. Yeah. He was cool. It was where like the culture of there was awesome. Which is crazy to say about the lions. Yeah, the culture of those. I was really impressed.

You know how the lions were like, Like when I got drafted in 14, they were picking at 10. And I was like, fuck, dude. I do not want to go to Detroit. I was legit like, man, I do not want to go live back in Michigan again. I was begging not to get picked there. Well, so like just in my process, so I got released for Cleveland. Well, we'll get into that.

But like, so I was like either going to go back to Cleveland. I ended up going to Denver, working on Denver, and then visiting in Detroit. And like, even I was there like the night before the game. And it was like, you could just feel the vibe. in the building, like, just like everyone around it. They just are, just, like, focused on the right things. They have a ton of, like, coaches that are players, like, on their whole staff. Right.

So they just, they just get it. Like, the vibe is really, really good up there. I enjoyed it. Are you, are you pulling for the playoffs? Are you, like, are you pumped for the boys? Oh, wait, they got eliminated because Seahawks won. Look at me. Yeah, no, you're good.

That's all right. Yeah, that was tough. We bet the bus comes back. You'll be dialed in. Yeah. We'll cut that out. You're good. I didn't take my black label, my,

on it black label. Yeah. I think that's not NSF certified either. Yeah, I need that performance enhancing. You need that right now? You know what I'm saying? So you're in Cleveland.

You're on active at Cleveland. So I was the two all year in Cleveland. I want you to talk about Cleveland. Yeah, I want to hear about Cleveland. Yeah, I want to hear about Cleveland. You seem like a normal guy, and then you're paired,

you're in the same room as a super horny guy in Cleveland. I want to find out, like, how that dynamic works with you guys. Yeah, I got to hear the stories. You know what I'm saying? Like, did he come off that horny? or you're like, oh, he might not be as horny as they're saying. Oh, he got the rookies of masseuse.

Each person got a Christmas present. So the whole line here's a massage therapist. I can't, I cannot, I can't speak on that. But he's a normal dude. No, he's a normal dude. I like to show him Watson. I think at this point, he's a normal dude. He's a normal dude.

He's the horniest dude you've ever met? We all got our, you know what I mean? Everyone has a horny guy. Hornyest guy ever met. There's two. Mike Campanero and Rob Mojee. Those are the two horniest people ever met. Hoarney boys.

Horny boys. I feel like Chase Rice would be up there. Chase Rice was like a horny boy. He performed in my golf tournament last year. How horny was he? We, uh... Yeah, it's not in the back. There's cameras that go back there now.

Watch your heads. Watch your head. We took them out in Knoxville after the tourney. He enjoyed the streets of Knoxville. Yeah, I'm sure. He enjoyed the streets of Knoxville. We've got ourselves a line, boys. He had a good time.

So when you're in Cleveland, you are the two in Cleveland. Are you the two up into the point that Deshawn came back? Yeah. Okay, that's how it was working. So I was the two until Deshaun came back. They claimed the QB at the end of camp. So we had like three, but like four when Deshaun is coming back.

So they're trying to keep the room together. They're like, if we release you, you feel like you'll clear waivers so we can like keep all four guys together. Get you back on practice squad and stuff. Yeah, give me back on practice squad and stuff. But I was like, all right, like, if you release me, basically, my season there's done. Like, Deshawn's coming back and stuff. I'm trying to go somewhere, like play and like see the other situation. Like, because like every week, like you guys know how it is.

Like every week you look around like, Kui goes down, something shakes up. So I was like, I want to put myself in a position where teams know like, hey, I want to go somewhere and play. Whether it's for two weeks or however it may be from the end of the season. So that's why I ended up taking the visit to Denver. Then ended up going to Detroit really like the culture there. And like I'd been like they tried to trade for me a couple times early in my career. So I was like, I'm going to go there, check it out. And then shoot it worked out.

where I got here. Yeah. So you opted out of signing back on practice squad with the Browns because you wanted to put it out there like, yeah, I'm trying to go play. I'm not trying to be in a four-in-room and low-key be at the bottom. Exactly. Correct. Like, I felt like, I mean, you're getting demoted.

And they're saying, like, it's not for performance. It's just for logistics. But it's like, all right, so I guess how it is. Like, in the league, you have to look out for yourself and shoot, like figure out your path and your career and try to set up an opportunity, make an opportunity for yourself if you're not just given an opportunity. So that's what I felt like was the best bet for me. It seems like you saying that you have to look out for yourself.

Like I feel like when I first got in the league and you might feel this way too. But when I first got in the league to now, that phrase looking at for yourself has become much more vocalized throughout the league. Like people are starting to understand more like not only in the locker room because you know in the locker room. Guys got to look out for themselves. You got to get paid and do whatever. Sure. But like from a public perception as well, people are starting to understand that when you're in the NFL like you might love being a part of the team. But if there's a better opportunity elsewhere, like you can't really fault the guy.

Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think people like see that guys are their own businesses, right? Off the field and on the field. And every situation shakes out differently. So you have to put yourself in the right position for you to succeed. And shoot as a business. So you have to treat it that way.

Yeah. When you were in Cleveland, what's your mindset like, like going in there knowing that you're the backup and that all the whole Deshaun Watson thing was kind of up in the air? What's your mentality like going in a training camp and how you're going to sit? Because I would almost think if I'm in your situation, like you kind of feel, I would almost feel like, I'm a playsetter here until he gets back. Was that kind of the mentality?

Did you feel like you could, you know, make something shaking training camp to where you could potentially be the guy? Like, talk about your entire mindset while being accurately. Yeah, it was, I mean, going into the room, into the year, we all knew it was going to be interesting. And we signed three brand new quarterbacks that haven't been there with the Sean Jacopi and myself. So we kind of all knew.

Then obviously we knew how it was going to shake out based on, like, how they're paying guys. Like, hey, this is kind of the pecking order. but I mean I kind of just went in there with the mentality of hey just maximize my reps and camp even though I might not get a lot like go out have a really good preseason and then something shakes out in the season then go out and play well and then if it doesn't you'll at least set yourself up whether it's to be back in Cleveland or for another opportunity after so yeah I mean it was it was an interesting situation a unique situation with it just the whole dynamic you almost think too like a decision wasn't made yet with the NFL and everything else you're like yeah

I was thinking, I could legit be the backup. Like, this could be, this thing could be a year long. Yeah. Exactly. We didn't know until, like, three weeks into camp what the NFL was going to do. So that was interesting, but you always obviously knew they were going to make a decision. So there would be an opportunity there. But we're just kind of working through it.

Yeah. When you were at Tennessee, obviously Tennessee is a huge school. And, like, you're a big name guy. Like, everyone knows about Josh Jobs. You go to, you're drafted by Pittsburgh, correct? when you're in Pittsburgh, how was your experience there? But were you thinking like, all right,

Ben's coming up, he's about to be done. Like, I'm next in line. Was that like your mindset? That was definitely the thought. Because they, so when I got drafted there, it was Ben,

Landry Jones, and then myself, and then those were the only three quarterbacks. And so at the time, Ben had just in the offseason been going back and forth of if he was going to retire or not. And so I was like,

okay, like Ben, I know he wants to win another Super Bowl. So we had a really good team like my rookie year and we almost won it. Yeah. So it's like we went another Super Bowl and then there would be an opportunity. But Ben ended up playing for five more years like once I got drafted. So yeah, it didn't shake out the way that I foresaw it. But it was so cool like being like working with Ben and just and just seeing how he plays the game because he plays it so much differently than a lot of quarterbacks around the league.

So just learning from him being around him, we had a cool relationship now. so I enjoyed my time there. Is there a perception publicly of Ben that you feel like people get wrong about with his preparation and how he plays the game? You just said he plays it differently than... Yeah. You know, I think like he gets the perception of like Ben's a guy

that doesn't watch film and stuff. But the stuff he does on game day, he definitely, like, watch his film. He just doesn't do it maybe like at the complex or like running from your face. But when he goes home, he's definitely studying because so much of the offense was on him just to kind of freelance to the line of scrimmage,

like pick his... plays, like a lot of times there would be no play. Like, Ben's calling the game on the field. And you can't do that if you're not, studying, preparing, watching some type of tape to get a feel for the opponents. Those really impressive. Like, we would go to practice and we would call, like, no huddle. And, you know, like, you get the practice script before practice has, like, 50 plays

or whatever's on the play. This is, like, for OTAs in the camp. And you would get the practice script, there wouldn't be one play on it. The quarterbacks will call the entire practice. So you just get the line and you look at the situation, like, first and 10 left hash, you just call whatever play you want it, because that's what Ben would do in the game sometimes. And so it was cool, like, you're basically like a low O.C.

Right. On your own plays. Yeah, that's a real. That's a NCAA 14 shit. Getting a feel for it. So, like, as a rookie, you're out there calling drive and fourverts every play, just to find a completion, take a shot. But then once you get in, like, year two, year three,

you're like, all right, let me try to set them up. Let me, let me call this. Let me try to throw this guy. So you get to actually, like, work the game and work on, like, being a play call. Who are you asking questions to then? to kind of learn about two men and everything else. If it's like quarterback gets to kind of call their script, are you like really asking Ben, like,

hey, what's going on in your mind? Why are you calling X, Y, and Z? I would ask him a little bit, but he kind of like, he doesn't really like to talk about, like, why he does he kind of likes to just do it. And then you can, like, ask him for little stuff. But he's just playing chess at all times. He's just playing chess at all times.

So really, you're playing multiple games. That's okay, I'll give you a little bit, but not too much because I want to play as long as... Exactly. So I would, um, what would you do is like you'll watch him. Like, he'll call a couple plays. And then this is a funny thing. Like some of the plays that he liked,

you didn't really know if you didn't like him or couldn't really execute him until you did it. So like he would call a play. And then you would go in because it'll look cool and call it. And it wouldn't work. Like I ain't ever call it that play again. But no, it's smooth. Like two minute, two minute in practice,

the QB will get to call it. So you're kind of like dialing up. But you guys had like basic stuff like the Titans do, right? We have a number system or like different code names. We have the number system or stuff that you could get through at tempo. But clock stop out of. bounds, especially in a practice situation, like come to Huddl. If you were feeling it, you could just call whatever play you want and go from there.

Damn, that's a lot of pressure. Yeah. Because you got to know situationally, like what the hell is going on too. Exactly. You're like, well, we always were practiced that you needed a touchdown to win. So you could be aggressive at spots. But it was cool because you were put in that pressure cooker situation. And it was all on you.

You know, like sometimes like QBSA, they can get handcuffed with plays. Sometimes they, oh, I didn't like that play. Yeah. So then you throw a pick or incomplete, get behind the chains. but was you picking the play, I mean, you can't, there's no excuse. It's on you. Yeah. I wonder how the OC feels about that.

If you have the title of OC at Pittsburgh with with them, you're like, I'm really not really, I'm not just here to watch the game. Yeah. You almost like, because you're, you ultimately want to play into the strengths of your players. Like you have somebody like Ben Rothesberger there has been doing a long time. I'm sure they've had plenty of conversations to where it's like, hey, do your thing out there. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it comes from like Coach T. Just giving players that freedom. I mean, they know Ben, Ben, Ben's like a point. guard back there. Yeah. With the way he plays, gets the ball of his hands.

Yeah. Just be disrespectful. Like, in the situation of the tight, say Dobbs comes in and Braves looks at, uh, uh, Todd and it's like, hey, don't worry about calling two minutes. Josh Dobbs is going to call it. Then that's where I feel like you, you probably feel some type of way of, like,

you're like, you want to, you just go, yeah, arms crossed. I kind of just waiting to see what happens. Dude, um, since we're talking about the Titans, I definitely,

like, you signed and you were starting that week. Like, Talk about your mental space leading up to that week. Because you started twice. You started twice now. Like you just literally was thrown into the fire. It was crazy.

With the Tennessee Titans. Like talk about you signing. You get here. You realize, okay, they might want to sign me to where, oh, I'm the fucking guy this week. I better get my shit going. It was, um. Hold on. Before you answer that, did they say you were the guy right away?

So they're so. Because I know obviously Malik, right? Yeah. So the first week got dinner start. But they said we want you to dress. So I got there Wednesday morning, and the game was Saturday. And they're like, we're going to dress you as the two for the game. So I was like, okay, I could play.

And then the next day was Christmas after the game, they said, hey, can you come back early because we think we're going to start you Thursday night against the Cowboys? I say, yeah, for sure. I mean, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Like, outside looking at, right, it's a crazy situation. Like, bro, you've been there like a week. Like, you got to go start this game.

Like, there's a lot of pressure behind it. all this stuff. But from like inside looking out like me, it's like to start an NFL football game is something I'm waiting on for six years. So just for you to say like, okay, you got five days to get ready for it. That's plenty of time. You know what I mean? That's that's almost a lot of time to get ready for it to understand they play book. I mean, I got nothing else to do. I got one bag of clothes. You know, I had nowhere to go. Yeah. So it's just a tremendous opportunity, man, just to go out there play ball. You know, I thought, obviously, I expected to have more starts before going into my

six year. But to get that opportunity to go out and play and play well and just embrace it. I had a lot of fun with it. Play on prime time, too. Against the Cowboys. Prime time against the Cowboys at home. I mean, there's nothing better than that. That's what you live for.

You live for those opportunities just to go out and play. When you're in Nashville, Tennessee and you play Dallas Cowboys on Primetime, there is no home game. Regardless if you're in Nashville or you're in Nashville or you're, You were so many Catholic fans there. Oh, dude. That's how it was my rookie year, too. We played that. We were in silent the whole game.

I mean, at that point, we won one game. It was like week 13. It's kind of like, all right. We did the same thing. We were like, let's go silent. And it also worked because we knew

we were going to play in Jacksonville and it's going to be rocking anyway. So might as well practice this, especially, but that'd be my first time doing it. You make it played well. Once you get past the first couple plays where were the nerves like leading up to the game.

Yeah. Like you're excited. You're like, you have plenty of time to get ready for a game. Like you're in the book, you're in the book, you're in the book. You're in the book. You're going to get two ready. Yeah, and then the day comes and it's a night game.

So it's like, man, now I got to chill in the hotel. You're sitting in that fucking hotel all day. Talk about the mindset, the nerves a little bit. You're like, it's fucking. Yeah. So it's like you rather just wake up and play. You know, just get the one o'clock game so you don't have to sit all day. Because you sit in the hotel all day.

You look at the game playing a thousand times. And then by the end of it, you're like, all right, what are they going? You're trying to play the game in your heads. You're trying to anticipate plays. and then shoot you haven't been out there since the preseason so the first couple of plays like it was moving fast like guys were flying around it's like you saw what coverage they were in but just uh then going out and like actually like okay i got catch the ball i got to execute the play rather than just mentally executing it um it took a couple plays just to get back in the group

but once that once i got back in the flow it was smooth it was just like all right this is just football you know and that's like that's like the best thing like anytime you make the jump from any level right First time playing in high school. You know, you're nervous about the first game. College, same thing. And about the same thing because you're nervous about the speed of the game. You're nervous about whatever the opposing players are. And then you get out there, you're like, it's just football.

Same game I've been playing for a long time. Yeah. Yeah, but it does move a lot faster. It does move a lot faster. Those five days, you're like, oh, that's plenty of time to get ready mentally for a game, like learning the playbook. How much time did you take and look at like the personnel? Because you come into your situation for you individually is an amazing situation

because you're like, I'm looking to start. I'm looking to play. Tennessee. you gave you that and you're like, all right, that's awesome. Let's check that off the list. Now you look at the roster and you go, holy fuck. There's a lot of guys. There's no, like, this is a loose term.

There's nobody on the team anymore. You're playing with guys that weren't original starters week one. Yeah. So, yeah, so when I signed, I looked at the roster. And the first user scroll through the roster. See who you know. Like, okay, I got to know this guy. And I looked, I got down in his, like, injury reserved.

Yeah. I was like longer than looking at the active roster. Yeah. Like, dang, there's so many. guys out. So, no, there's a lot of young players. I think that was like going into a situation where they're all like three or four game losing streak at this. Yeah, they're what? We lost seven in a row. Seven. Yeah. So they're five at that point, right? Yeah. I think it was four because you came in. You were sitting behind Malik. When you, yeah, yeah, but go, so like, how did you work through that process?

Do you give a couple of receivers and be like, listen, like you go, like a Robert Woods is the first person that comes to mind. For sure. He's been to leave for a while. Before we got hurt, he had four 1,000-yard seasons. like if without playing quarterback ever I'm thinking okay I need a lifeline guy around here like Austin Hooper I need Robert Woods like were there guys you wouldn't approach it was like this is I don't know what the fuck's going on but I need to know that I need somebody to bail me out once in a while

yeah so I would just tell them just like stick with me like that was the biggest thing on the silence like yeah stick with me about to scramble especially like Woody yeah who because I knew like those guys have played a ton of ball and so I was like yo just stick with me but the crazy thing was so for the Thursday night game we didn't get any live reps in practice

because it was a short week. It's all like walk through, jog through. Late in the year, I mean, that's, yeah, that's how it is. Which is fantastic late in the year, but if you're just coming into it, you're like, damn, bro, I could use them full speed. Some of the throws in the game, that was, like, the first time I'd ever thrown that route to the receiver live. Like, we threw, tried to throw trailing a strike.

It was about a foot behind him. He was, like, back hip. I was like, that's the first live strike route I've thrown to him in my life. Yeah. We're throwing it, like, 37, you know, in the middle of the third quarter. a huge play. So it was like little things like that that you had to work through. Yeah, it was a crazy process. What's it meant for you to get that opportunity after waiting patiently for six years?

It was awesome. Not only that, you've had such a lot of pivots along the way. Like being drafted by Pittsburgh, getting traded, being cut, being on practice squad, being on IR, like, you've had a lot of different situations come about. Then you go on practice squad for a couple weeks with Detroit. You get a call. Oh, shit. I'm going to Tennessee.

You're dressing that. that week and then you're starting these last two games. Like, what is that meant to you with all the time that's gone by in your career? It was awesome. It meant the world. You know, I wish, obviously, the result of the two stars was a little different. But just to be out there and play, it's like, I tell everyone this. Everyone's asking me, like, what is it like?

Because people, you know, hype, like, oh, you're back of court right and leave. That's, like, the easiest job in the world. You're just chilling, like, watching other people play. That is something that is largely thought of. I think that right now. I'm ready for you to change my mind. McCoy every year. I'm like, yo, you're fucking winning.

You're living the dream, bro. Go win a couple games a year and then like, yeah, exactly. Middle reliever. Yeah. This is what I tell them. It's like, those like in high school, you have like the biggest test of your life, especially like before your first. You have the biggest test of your life.

It's basically like going to decide if you get to go on and do everything you want in this world or not, right? And so you prepare every single week and you know that test is going to come on Friday. So every single week, Monday, you wake up. You prepare for the test, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, got the butterflies in your stomach. And you wake up Friday and you don't take the test. and then you do it again next week. You do it again next week. Oh, damn.

That is it again next week. And then for me... I'm like, test, what the fuck he's talking about? I've done it. Yeah. For me, like, I've done it. But you brought it all together. I was like, oh shit, that's actually a good fucking point.

For me, I've done that for six years. I mean, like, every Friday there's a test. I just never know when I'm going to take it. And so, um, like, that's the biggest sound I remind myself. It's like, you don't know we're going to take the test, but you'll do yourself a disservice if you're not ready to take that test. So every single week I would prepare as if I'm going to take the test. So every single week I would prepare as if I'm going to take the test, not take the test.

Hit reset. Some weeks were tougher than others, but just keep pushing forward. And shoot, look up whenever the test is done and succeed. So it is easy. No, it's not easy. Not easy. It's like shitty being a backup and you got to do that every week. And you're like, you're dressed and everything.

Like, man, I got to be ready. You're so hyped up. And ready. Can you get hyped up? I just because listen listening to you and that whole thing right there like obviously you saw my mind get blown I was vocal about it but if six years and you're studying for a test every single week and then that last like eventually once in a while you're like fuck dude this test ain't coming this way like I got like if you're behind Ben right dude's been playing forever he's like a he's a statue in there but he gets the ball out relatively fast and he can take some hits there's got to be a level of being like all right maybe this I'm good this week roll up this defense line's not good they don't get the quarterback like that you do you do you do that. The second you do that, you're throwing in there. So, like, for instance, so second year, everyone was backing up Ben.

We'd be sitting there. And we were playing the Ravens, like, late in the season. It's cold. You're standing in Baltimore in the middle of December for three hours. And I was really standing there. It's probably, it's like the fourth quarter we're up to like five points. We're coming out. I was like, first and 15.

I'm like, all right, like, Ben got this. Like, the game's over. Like, I have my beanie on. I was not chilling. I was still in the game, but I was like, but you're chilling, yeah. You're chilling. You're sitting there, like, games over, we're good.

Then goes to scramble. They were on, like, P, Tampa 2, then goes to scramble, and the three technique, like, falls on him. And he's just, like, laying on the ground, just out. And in my head, I'm like, this man, like, just passed out on the field. So then, like, that's when stomach drops. Sorry, get the helmet, like, warm up. You haven't thrown since pregame warmups.

We go out there's, like, first and 15. Second 15. Coach T's like, throw the deep over. They haven't covered it all day. I'm like, damn, I thought we're just going to hand it off. You're coming out, the end zone, crowds going wild. Something quick. Exactly.

And then that was my first play in the league. So threw over to Juju. And then like, okay, I can do this. And then Ben walks back on the field. He's fine. He shook it off. He just got the wind knock out of him. But like all that to say was I was staying on the sideline five minutes before that.

Like, to your point, just like, like, okay. Like, I'm not playing today. Like the game's over. And then the second you like seek that comfort and you sit down, boom, you're throwing in there. So like just like examples like that have occurred throughout my career that I try not to catch myself like in that lull where it's like, oh, it's over. You know, just always just finding ways to, whether it's my routine or whether it's just the process of getting prepared just to stay locked in. Because as I said, you just do yourself a discredit if you're not ready for the opportunity. Right.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because there are definitely times where you think, you do think that way, especially depending how long the season has been too, because in the beginning of the season, you're kind of like, you never know what happens. Some of the coaches tell you, I don't know about for quarterback, but like lineback are like, oh, you will get you in here, X, Y, Z, blah, blah, but there are definitely times where you can get in some lulls of thinking about it, but he's right, like the minute it does happen. That anxiety you have, you're not prepared, you're, because that week where I had got cut

and then brought back on practice squad, and we were playing the Ravens for whatever reason. I was a little bit nervous because I, man, I, what team? Is this with the Titans? This was the Titans. This is, uh, 2018? This is the second sin with the Titans.

2020. Yeah. And, um, I was like, man, I, you know, I hope I don't have to go in there.

Like, I haven't, you know, really, that's a tough mindset too. Right, right. I hope I don't have to go in there.

Like, I've been on practice squad this entire week. They're just now telling me that I, I could play in the, or I'm going to back up in the game. So Friday or Saturday, whenever they're doing all the walk through stuff.

I'm just behind Roshan and Jion just kind of shadowing them because it's Lamar Jackson there's some wrinkles in their run game and pass game that it's like you can't just go in there with a dropback quarterback you feel a lot more comfortable

coming off like a practice squad situation you're like okay a lot of this stuff is real general concepts that everybody kind of has but the Ravens for whatever reason it's like a different game plan that week so since I've been on practice squad that whole week and then they tell me like

hey you could you're we're going to activate you a practice squad after just getting cut, you're just like, okay, well, let me stand because I was a little bit nervous, and that was the game, Jayon, fucking fucked up his elbow. That shit was terrible, too.

Thank God he was wearing long sleeves. Yeah, and literally I was in there, I was like, thank God I was going through just the walkthroughs and everything like that. It always comes when you're just not, you're like the most unprepared and you have like a type of anxiety of like, man, if I go in there and look stupid, like, it's the worst. It's over.

Like, yeah, it's over. Yeah. It's like Lamar does make people look stupid. Yeah. I think of Lamar, when he sees Jan go down, who's a very athletic linebacker, and then you walk out. Right. He's a white guy.

He's like, oh, I'm running out. I'm fucking him up. It didn't work out for him. You see a white linebacker? A black linebacker goes out, and then a white lineback comes out. He goes, oh, man, I'm running on that guy. You know what I'm saying?

All I'm saying is try being a white man chasing the tackle Lamar Jackson in this league. No, it doesn't fucking happen. Your only hope is making go east and west. And be like, please, God, Calvary get here. Exactly. Just wait, find some time. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Dude. All those dumb assed-dacking drills. Like, all right, don't dive off a diving board. They'll step under myself. All those rabbleisms, bro. Everything. Everything.

Everything. I got you a 90 miles from. I know, dude. Lamar is impressed. I hope he gets paid. I hope he... I think he will. For the Ravens,

you think he's going to go somewhere else. Oh. I don't know. I know he's going to get paid. I don't know. Who knows if it's going to be the number that he's wanting? Yeah. I don't know the number he's wanting.

I don't know if he's like an irrational person or not, but... I've never met him. But I think he'll get paid. I think he'll get paid. I think, but the OCs up for a job somewhere, so that might, that might shake some things up. But I think it'll be interesting is how all the GMs and owners will look at the contract situation. Because I know he can throw the ball around, but the running game is a big part of his game. And the life, the lifespan of like a running back in the league and you can look back at Vic and all these guys.

It's just wherever they see him, like, how long do he think? Exactly. How long can he play at that level? that level. The type of game that he plays. Because he adds another element. That element shows that, like, they only have so much tread on the tire

because you can't have, like, the way Lamar plays, he loses a step. It definitely equalizes the game a little bit more. Absolutely equalizes the game. Yeah. I wonder, uh, yeah,

I wonder if he is in a pit there. Love that on the bus. Love that one of the boys. Yeah, he's one of the boys. He's one of the boys. He follows. You're a three guy. Yeah, I was,

I actually made that joke, try being a white guy on the field chasing Lamar Jackson and it was one of those ones where it was going out there to different audiences and then people started calling me like racist and shit like that and then Lamar comes in and laughs that and everything else so it's like you get one of the bros on there like it's that's like almost the equivalent of being like oh I'm not racist my best friend's black like you got that card right there

he comes in and says something it's like the guy I'm talking about yeah yeah it's like this oh no I'm good you saw him I'm good Lamar got me we're sure we're sorry You know, people like that. People like that all the time. You get invited to the cookout, you're like, yo, I'm good. I'm him. I can't wait to tell all my white boys.

They're like, guys, I got plans on Saturday. Yeah. Oh, you just want to hang out? Oh, I can't. Like, we didn't ask you. Well, I'm doing something. Sorry, dude. Yeah, I hope.

He needs to kind of be like our boy, Kirk Cousins and kind of do like the short three-year fully guaranteed contracts. Curson gets that, gets the money bags. Money bags, bro. Sipping them things up, huh? Do you think he deserves? it? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I see. I was just trying to see if my boy's going to slip. I get some headlines out here. We got the same agent. So my, Mike, oh, really? Yeah, might be grinding.

Yeah. Kurt, like, we were actually talking about it this morning, like, Kurt played the situation perfectly. You have to take a little risk to get to the market. For sure. To see what your market value is. And then that's where if you're healthy and coming out, coming out looking good on skates and free agency, you're able to leverage all of your stuff to get. It might be a lower ceiling, but you'll get that fully guarantee contract. He's got it ever since. Ever since. Every contract. Yeah.

Because, yeah, we were on that conversation because of Jeffrey Simmons. Yeah. Yeah, we were talking about his fifth year option coming up. And if he's going to, I don't know, like, you know how the thing. Things get crazy when your contract is up and you've played well. Like, I jokingly told Jeff, hey, I know we're not the best friends. We got to fight in camp and for some reason he's never let it go since then. So, like, we're definitely on the rocks, him and I.

He holds a grudge big time. I was like, hey, I want you to know, like, our careers based on where you're at right now are identical. The exact same as far as Acculates go. I was like, I hope to God, yours ends better than mine does. But, and then we had a whole conversation. Your 10. Yeah, that's right. You're 10.

Loading, brother. But we had a whole conversation of like fifth year option and how that's going to play out. He was like asking about my stuff. And it's, it's crazy the stuff that he's got to go through now going into this fifth year. Because not only is he's looking at two possible franchise tags as well. Right. And he's going to get money, but it's not like that money that's like, oh, I'm, I'm, And long term.

Yeah, you want that contract that says. Because if he gets hurt, boom, he just lost a whole bunch of money that way. Yeah. I'm actually to see how that plays out with the Titans. Because we were just in general, we were talking about the different, like, mindset you can be in as a player, like, once your season abruptly ends. Like, for Jeff, he's like, you know, you saw the post-game video of him, like, crying at the locker, like, talking about what it means to him.

You can just tell, you can tell how much the game means to him with it all. Right. And for somebody who shoot up his ankle, the entire. back half of the season to play and try to get the boys into the playoffs. You know as a player, you think in your mind, the logo, the team, everybody, everybody's going to be on the same page. But the minute the season is over, you go from this PAC mentality to now this individual mentality because now it is all suddenly business. And that shooting up and that playing hurt and that the product you end up putting on film, most of the time gets used against you

in negotiations, right? Just because, it's strictly business. I would assume the Titans are going to do whatever possible to retain somebody like Jeff, but a lot of guys go into it thinking I was doing it the honorable way all year long, fighting for the boys, doing whatever I can to get back here, feeling the pressures, the coach,

the training staff, fans, teammates, everybody. And I want to, like, I'm trying to. But then you turn around if you're not in a situation to have, like, maybe it's leverage like Jeff has or something like that. Usually it does not work out for you that way. But you think, damn, I thought if I sacrificed and did all this, you guys would

take care of me. And now you're using what just happened kind of against me. Yeah. You can't do that personal. Yeah. You can't take that personal. But that's, that's a lot of guys, they usually get that bitter. You just find out the teeth of the business that way, which is unfortunate. You know, when you're young, you're kind of like naive about it. You think it's, you don't know when you're young. You get your first off season. You look at a vet. You're like, oh, we get the

we get the next few months off. We don't have to come back until April. And you're like, oh, shit. And you're just, you know, you're just like a puppy. You're on this four-year deal. If you get to, you know, be with the team. in four years, you kind of just, you have no clue until you get bit in the ass with the business side, and you're thinking, damn, this is how it really is. I wonder, I think it's really

going to come down to whether Jeff is on the team or not, as how much, like, how he wants to get paid. Because he's extremely talented. He's a top three D-Tackle in the league from, I think anybody, any GM would go and say the same thing. What is, look up Aaron Donald's contract, because he's got the number one contract, right? And it's, he's,

that's a unique situation because Jeff has had two pro bowl seasons. going into a contract year, but Aaron Donald is arguably one of the greatest defensive players of all time. So his money's going to be crazy. Now, does Jeff want to sit there and say,

I deserve to get paid as much or more than Aaron Donald's getting paid? Because there's arguments for both sides. Jeff's younger. He's extremely disruptive. He's only getting better. He's a centerpiece you build around. He's a centerpiece you build around.

Those words are way too small. What is it? What is it per year? Three years, $95 million. right here. He's getting like 30-something average, bro. 30-something average.

When we were talking to, if they want to pay them like number one money, it's got to be like around 30. Yeah, I wonder what the other detackles, like in the top five get. If you're... Look up top five.

Obviously, it's going to be the agent everybody negotiating on his behalf. Like, whether or not you believe whatever it is, you're going to look at what Aaron Donald's getting because, again, you're making the argument

that Jeff Simmons is a perennial pro bowl player. De-tackles. Jeff Simmons is a perennial pro bowl player who you build around on defense. Like it doesn't, you're like, oh, he's not as good, blah, blah, but that's still what you're going to look to because that's what the market is at for superior defensive

tackles. 95, 84. See, look, the drum from Aaron Donald down to number two is $10 million. Aaron Donald average per year is 31. The force $10 million in one more year. 21 per year. Yeah. So.

The Forrest Buckner. Boltz. It's like literally playing, we're at the restaurant. doing napkin math. It's like, it looks like it could be like a 25 a year thing, literally just making that up.

I'm sure people use that for headlines. But his franchise will get the average, right? He'll get the average of the top five, I believe, right? Yeah. Yeah. Which is not bad money. That's what they were doing with Kurt Cousins, is they would tag him every year.

He would tag him every year. And then the QB market kept going up every year. Yeah. They make him money. He kept getting jumped like 5 mil, 10 mil a year. Because Washington offered him three years, 75 million 50 guaranteed loosely that's not like exact um and kirk was like why would i do that i'm going to make 50 no matter i'm going to make more than that guarantee just in the next two off my franchise tax

exactly so you got to come more correct than that they played with them too much you made it all the way to a free agency three teams had him at like north of 90 million dollars fully guaranteed and then you end up going with Minnesota probably with like taking all the financials involved with taxes and everything else yeah yeah yeah yeah how he ended up getting that there because Jeff's looking at a fifth year option, two tags. I'm looking at, I was looking at those top three tackles. It was Aaron Donald, Buckner, and then Chris Jones, both extremely talented. I wonder statistically what the difference between those three and Jeff is.

Because I know from what I've seen from Aaron or what I've heard about Aaron is he didn't have like the best year this year compared to like his past. The Rams went from Super Bowl to five and 12. Yeah. So they obviously, he didn't have a, he didn't have a great year. but that's going to be an uphill battle for Jeff if he wants to get above Aaron Donald right there because that's such a crazy outlier. That's like Quentin Nelson for the guards.

He, I think, is like $3, $4 million above the next highest paid guy. But how old is Jeff? Jeff is fourth, 25 years old? Man. Yeah, he's got, I mean, he's got... Aaron Donald's signed that at 31. Like, imagine Jeff at 27, 28? Yeah, but then if I'm a GM

and I'm just going to argue that point, Aaron Donald's a generational talent. Generation, generational, multiple generations, talent, and is arguably one of the best in the world. I think at this point, Aaron Donald, at this, at Jeff's point in his career, Aaron Donald already had, like, might have already had a defensive player of the year,

or, like, four all pros, and he was like four-time pro bowl. Like, he had, his resume was crazy. His resume was just insane. And then it just kept going. Yeah. So it's like, it's a hard argument. I hope Jeff gets that money.

I'm just saying, like, I wonder where in his point, if he's going to think of it logically. And I think if he thought about it logically and sat down with himself and his agent, and his agent was completely honest with him, his agent would say you will be a top five paid guy, but I think it'll be more in the middle range of the top five, like the three.

This is me without any information trying to talk about this. I don't know what the real market is other than the article we just looked at, but you're thinking like $20 to $25 million a year sounds like something he would look at and logically have to say, okay, I'll play for that. A four-year-hundred? Yeah, I would love to see him get three-year whatever fully guaranteed. Yeah, if you could do that is position. That's what we all want, though.

He's one of those guys. It's like, you want quarterbacks first, but you want top dogs at their positions commanding these fully guaranteed contracts. You might sacrifice a little bit of the ceiling. But if in the, if in turn you get three years of fully guaranteed deal, and you're seeing the market again at 28 years old, like. That's a good position to be in. Right.

It's a good position to be in. And, you know, again, it's not, you know, he can look at Aaron Donald's and just think, like, that's a marker for the market. It doesn't mean he thinks that's his floor. It doesn't mean anything other than like, hey, a top guy at this position got 31. He signed for it last year. We're getting all this influx of money. Who knows what that looks like capwise? Yeah.

It comes on the agent. I think if he goes to free agency and he sees that money. He goes to free agency, he'll see a lot more than he would if he signs a year or two. Or say he signed this off season. He would see a lot more than he would. because you're giving up the ability to go to free agency to sign something ahead of time. If you're going to work with the Titans on signing something early, then you're going to have to favor some things that go in the Titans way

because that's ultimately what a hometown discount is. Yeah. Crazy to think $25 million a hometown discount. Right? Yeah. Those are the cap situation. If they got them at 25, it almost seemed like, oh, that could be seen as a win. Yeah. You get Jeff Simmons locked in long term a year before his deals up.

now it's like that would be on Jeff to think you I think I do I believe I'd stay healthy my fifth year I'll write this fifth year option out just because I know what I'm going to see yeah but looming over his head of those two franchise tags yeah so you're looking at year seven in the league now he is 28 right he's 28 years old playing now he's getting a second contract still gonna make good money right still a first round draft pick still been franchise tag twice he probably wouldn't get franchise tag twice because I think it's like top five over the whole league right no it's top about your position. I thought the first franchise tag was at and then it levels up.

No. I think it's... Franchise tag then transition tag. But then the next one... First round picks. They franchise you again. It just, I think it goes up by a percentage. Like, it has to be more.

Got you. Than the one, whatever was like, interesting. There's a lot of things in the Titans feature that they really got to figure out. Because, like, I think, I think, I've said this on this podcast. I think Vrable is one of the best coaches in the NFL. But eventually, like, you've got to have talent to, match that coaching as well.

And it unfortunately showed this year because you look at the two last two years. Last year we had more injuries than we did this year. But last year had more? We had the record. We had the record. Last year we had more injuries and we were still the number one scene in the AFC. But if you look at what's the major difference between last year and this year, if you look at the IR list, the guys that played last year are now the ones in IR.

Like your main guys other than Derek Henry who got her week six of the season and was a rushing leader by 300 yards at that point. Yeah. Would have, in my mind, easily broken that 2,000 rushing record. He got what up to 1,600, right? Oh, he didn't play week 17. Which is that? You're talking about.

Yeah. Last year? Oh, last year. This year. Yeah, I think he's around 16. What do you get the other night? Get 120, I think. Yeah, I think he probably might have just got 1600.

He was top three going into that last game. Yeah. He's, I mean, I think he's number two, right? Josh Jacobs and him? I don't know how Nick Chubb did. Chubb was two, Derek was three. He finished two? Man.

Derek and Chub have some, I have a weird, whether they have a rivalry or not, they have a rivalry. I think they have a little rivalry. Yeah. Chub is a beast too, though. He's a beast, bro. And I heard he's a strong on assassin. Is he really like that? He doesn't talk.

He doesn't talk. Like, if you get him outside the complex hanging out, he's hilarious. Like, once he stops, starts talking, he'll be, like, the funniest guy in the room. Yeah. But, like, in the complex and then on the field, you don't say a word. All business. And he scored, he, like, we were playing the chargers this year. Unblocked safety in the hole, makes a miss.

When it's, like, 50 yards for a touchdown, stiff arms, Cleo Mac on the goal line, just hands the ball to the ref and walks off the field. Like, this guy's crazy. That's a cool. That's a cool fucking deal. I mean, Derek lost Josh Jacobs, though. I know. And he was somebody they didn't pick up his fifth year.

I know. So he went a good tweet about that. He went in this year with a massive chip on his shoulder. From what I've heard, I don't know. I haven't talked to Josh or anything. But from my understanding is they were trying to shop him for like a third round pick in preseason. And he was aware of that.

So him going out and leading the league in rushing. He goes crazy. I like the big middle finger to everybody. Like I'll fucking show you guys. Like that's how you love to see that. You hope it's like don't take any fucking discount. It's like the mindset of Jeff. Like if Jeff's going into it like, you know, I'll put, I've sacrificed all this.

you want to see players get paid and not have all the stuff that they've used, like against you and everything else. It's always like the pro player mentality. It's like if they didn't pick up his 50 or they did pick up his fifth year option, and he was pissed about it. It's almost like, how do you navigate those waters? Like, Josh, he now gets to go taste. Free agency.

For real. That's right. That's probably known in the NFL feeling better than Josh right now. You've got to feel good about how the year you just had, especially again, led to league and rushing on a roster where it seemed like, every position was talked about except the running back. It's like, okay, we got a good running back. But we got...

Derek Carl with Devonte Adams, Darren Waller, Hunter Renfo, all those boys. And then you kind of... Josh was kind of an afterthought. They don't pick up his option. It's like, all right, birds to everybody. I'm about to league to league and rushing. That's crazy. Yeah, the Raiders are by far the most underachieving team in the NFL this year.

Oh, for sure. I mean, Titans are kind of there too, right? So they had a bunch of injuries to hang their hat on. It's like the insurance policy. Not everyone. Like a lot of people were saying, talking about the Raiders competing for the Super Bowl. Yeah, they went.

Just when Devante would get there. I said my hot take was the Chiefs weren't going to make the playoffs. I was obviously very wrong about that. That was a tough take. Tough take. That's a tough take. But again, there's bias. Like, I'm rocking with the boys in silver and black, dude.

And I thought this was going to be the year. It would be the coolest uniforms in the league. You don't, you know, I still went what? Like five and three, I feel like on the year, picking the division winners? I think so. He's like to see a better ratio. However, I thought. I would have had one more if Saturday worked out a little bit better.

Yeah. I know. Titans were one. Titans were one that I picked. And there was a part of me, too, that was thinking about picking Jaguars at the beginning of the year. And I was like, I can't do that. Yeah, that would have pissed me off. Right.

Yeah. Because we were talking about. That would have pissed me off. Peterson, Justin Lawrence. We said it on this podcast, though, for those of you think we just joke around on this podcast, we legit have said Jacksonville is a good football team. They just need a good coach. You're welcome.

We said that first. When they've had, they had like three straight number one picks. I know, they really have just holstered in their shit. Yeah. I felt like Doug Peterson would probably, it was a big help like him going there. For sure. Yeah, organization, dude. Yeah.

With the boys pushing the cart in the same direction. What, um, since we're talking about mindsets too in the season of abruptly ends, like, where, where does, what does the headspace go for somebody like you in your position? Again, you come in the last three weeks of the year. Season's over, you see the look on everybody's face. Like, you're not as acclimated and is into all the, the buy-in that the type of, you. did all year long for the back, fuck, man, we didn't get it. What's it like for you now going into the off season? Yeah, I mean, when it abruptly ends, I mean, it stuck, but you just like,

navigate those emotions. Obviously, like, immediately, okay, shoot, where am I going to be next year? Am I going to be back here? I'm going to be somewhere else? Where am I about to live for the off season? Is my apartment even still a thing in Cleveland, you know, so just like working through it all. So, yeah, I want to be back in Tennessee, had good exit meeting.

So we'll see how kind of, like, free agency for me shakes out. but hopefully it's back here. So you, if you, your wish list would be Tennessee. Yeah, for sure. Tennessee boy.

For sure. I'm not from Tennessee, but played at Tennessee. Love Nashville. Nashville rips. Nashville's dope. And the state is like, seems like they're rude for you hard.

For sure. And like I've enjoyed my time in the complex. Like the guys are cool. I mean, though I got a cross pass with him a couple times. But everyone's, everyone's pretty cool in the complex. So it's been cool.

The, I wonder, from the outside looking in like if I was since I've been on IR since week too I've like turned myself into a fan obviously and watching Malik the first few weeks

obviously it was it was tough right like it's I think he had 88 yards passing in the last game before you started and when you came in it was like damn like he really out there slinging that thing and then everything like gets in your head like damn like dude biddy for five days he's done

like he's been able to do this at this time like you actually in a time where there was no hope for Tennessee. You look, he gave the boys hope. And I thought Saturday you were going to go in there and it was going to work out. Shut up. And he has had it. We'll get into that game because I really do want to talk about that. But what is a, what, what was it like with Malik? Because knowing Malik for the short time I did, obviously during camp, OTAs and stuff like that,

very charismatic, very energetic, great dude. You just wonder if, like, is he a guy that can develop into something that people thought he was going to be when they were coming to Liberty before the draft saying he could be a top 10, pick or is this one of those things where it just is not it's not going to work out and that's no shot at malique that's more just like wondering i guess like does he have it and that's not for you to answer my my my question for you is like how was the process between you two and like you quit coming in quickly changing of the guard um you know it was good i mean it it was smooth as smooth as it can be yeah um you know i know obviously you know being his his position was probably was tough on him and I know he would love to be out there too, playing, competing.

But as you said, Malik's a great dude. And so Malik and I, we trained with the same guy in Atlanta. So I met him the last offseason, actually, as he was getting ready for the draft and stuff, just in QB training. And it's a small circle. So, yeah, I mean, he was still the same guy throughout the whole process, extremely positive with the players being a great teammate.

It was great to me and helping me just get acclimated. And then, like, little things at quarterback, like, hey, what's the cadence, was the reminder to the O line, what's the communication, the huddle, just how have you guys done it, just to make sure it's smooth on everyone who was awesome. So, I mean, playing quarterback in the NFL is not the easiest profession, and it takes time to learn how to do it.

It took me time. I've had a lot of reps, even though I haven't played a lot, so I've had a lot of reps at doing it and watching guys do it at a high level. And so Malik will probably be the same process, but he seems like he works really hard. He wants to be successful. I think it starts there. So yeah, I'm excited to see how he comes back this offseason.

Being a vet, if you were to give advice to a young rookie quarterback, obviously I'm saying Malik in this situation. If you were to give advice to a rookie quarterback going into their first offseason, what would it be? Looking at your career now. Yeah, I would say, one, just like take a breath. As we know, that first offseason, you've been going for a year and a half straight from the start of your senior year.

So take a time just to take a breath and realize, like, how important football is to you, but also what other interests you have out there just as a human being and just take a step back. And then from there, like February comes around, then craft your plan of, hey, what are the five things I want to get better at between now and OTAs and work hard every day at those things? Whether it's something in the playbook, whether there's footwork on the field, whether it's one throw you're trying to master. But just find that rhythm, routine consistency. because if you find that, then once you go to OTAs,

you can take that same process and then use it all the way until the season. So that's, I mean, that's my biggest advice. That's what I did for myself. I took a step back, took a breath, figured out what I want to improve on, and then just went from there. Question for both of you guys. Is there anything you guys look back on? You wish you had a new at a younger age,

like when you are navigating the first off-season's. Because I feel like a lot of guys get excited, right? They can travel. They can do a little bit more. And I'm hearing you say, like, good stuff. I'm thinking like I'm one to ask because I we it's like we can all sit here and talk about I know you both have knowledge on it but how crucial routine process all that stuff is if you're trying to be a better NFL football player at your position I don't know I think like the like people always say like don't take breaks I feel like the break is really what helps you come back more more energized to work hard you know like taking it sucks when you're you're done first week of January so taking the month just to decompress from the emotions of the season whether you're in one spot don't you're whole year starting or you weren't or you were in three different spots like myself. Just taking that time to decompress is so powerful just mentally.

And then when February comes, when you watch the Super Bowl, you're like, that's my goal. I want to be there. And then the next week, you just work hard. Yeah. You know, and just get right back at it. Yeah. What would you say? I think the break is a huge thing.

My first couple years, I like didn't take a break. I was like, when people are resting, this is when I'm going to, I'm going to get them. And then you kind of realize that you get into like late November, December, and you're like, damn. You kind of burnt out. You don't really know why you don't like put that in your head of like, oh, you have been working since forever,

like since your senior year and now you're in your second year. And so when I saw the biggest jump from my success was year two to year three. And that's when I actually took the longest break I did, which was like I think we didn't make the playoffs, obviously. And then I took like three or four weeks. Like first of February was when I was like, all right, this is when we start. And it's like,

it's very rejuvenating. You get to like get back to neutral a little bit because you're drained, dude. The end of the season is so draining. Everything hurts always. And you're just thinking like, damn, how to make it to this next game? Like, you know, like little things. Because when you're out of it, like I've been out of it for so, like for so long,

relatively since week two, I don't have any pain in my body. Like my neck doesn't hurt. But I remember being like damn, I ever feel like every time my head touches something, I get a stinger. Like, or like my ankle or whatever. You're like, damn, this is just awful. And so you kind of forget what it feels like. And you're like just ready to get back into it.

But if you don't take that break, then you're screwed. You kind of, you put yourself in a deficit. Like the return on investment no longer is there for you anymore after, if you just keep going the whole time, you just get burnt out. Right. And also I parted a whole bunch after my rookie year. So. You said you what?

Or you party to shitload. No, I was out in Arizona. I feel like that stuff happens. That's almost why, like, you know, why I wanted to like raise the question in case there happen to be, there are a lot of tier one rookies out there. they're probably listening to this podcast. Yeah, if you're a rookie and you were, you were a drafted rookie, like a top three-round draft pick, like there is, you finish the season and you're like, damn, I can't believe the season's

over. But then in that same thought process, you're like, holy fuck, I got all this money. I got all this time. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. You never had money. Like, we talked about all the time. Before, you didn't just have the season, but you like, like you were talking, you're

training for the combine, you're going to. Yeah, you're doing all the bells and whistles. So you're pretty much shot. But you're like, you can do anything. Yeah, then you get done. You're like, damn, I got a bank account for money. You can do anything in the world. Anything in the world.

You can travel. Anywhere you want. Bro, the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened to me. Or like that I look back and I just go, ooh, fuck, dude, that was tough. My rookie year, after my rookie year, the Super Bowl's in Arizona. And I'm from Arizona. For those of you listening who don't know, I go back. I go to Old Town Scottsdale.

Great spot. And it's a great spot. I'm a Cave Creek guy. Like, I'm more of like a small town kid, but I'm like, I'm fucking showing that shit off. I get the table. I go to El Havis. A couple girls from high school show up. Why?

Because they gotta see. They got to see that your boys made it a little bit. Bro, this girl, I have like a bunch of money in my pocket, like a bunch of 20s. This girl takes the money out. It's like, throwing in the air. I'm like, I'm really him. Look at this money flying through the air.

Thinking to myself like that, like not realizing it, you'll get a fucking idiot right now, dude. Going a bender for four days straight. It was embarrassing. It was fucking tough, dude. You get out of that little four-day piece and you're like, I haven't really slept. been acting like a fucking idiot.

I've been doing a lot of extracurriculars. It was a fucking tough gig for me. And it was really like a come to Jesus moment. Like Mr. A came and picked me up at some random apartment complex. Wearing the same outfit I was wearing four days before. But the buttons on the shirt were like wrong. Yeah. He has a picture of me.

He literally says it's the most disappointed I've ever been in you. I slept for like 18 hours. It went to a small coma. Like just it was just bad. I haven't parted like that since. Yeah. But I needed that. I needed that.

That's hilarious. Don't do that. Let us understand. Yeah, so don't learn from me. Don't do that shit, dude. It's cooler to pretend like you don't have money. It's good that you said all those things, too, because I feel like every, all of us. When I'm telling the story, I'm like embarrassed in my head.

I'm about to flex a little bit. I was being an idiot. Damn idiot. Yeah. There's more. I don't know if I want to go into it. We don't have to go another time. Yeah.

What should we transition into next? Let's talk about the Jaguars Titans game. Yeah. We watch the game together. obviously it didn't go the way we wanted but there are two plays that stick out in my head that we can go over one is what the fuck was Traylin Berks doing

when he tossed that ball over his head was that a cold play that was a cold play okay thank God because I literally thought like there's no way we should have done that that's not in the playbook what the fuck is that dude we put that in on Friday whatever Friday is for Thursday.

Well, we were expecting it was like third and 15. They usually play like a little off zone coverage. Yeah. We thought we're going to throw it to trailing on a slant. And then they're going to rally to just tackle. And then he's going to throw it to the back. And we ran in practice against the defense. And it worked perfectly.

Really? Like it was, it was like third and 17. Through it to the trailing. He threw it to the back. And he got like 30 yards. So we're like, all right. I bet. Might as well try it.

Yeah. He just launched that shit up in the air, dude. Oh, I was almost. too. It almost was when he called it though. I was surprised

when he called it though. I was surprised. I thought it was gonna be like later in the game. Gotta have a situation. Like, all right, we need something.

But I mean, that was like the second first quarter like the third, third down of the game. That's like fucking Michigan running the Philly special against TCU

in the first quarter on the first drive. What are y'all doing? Yeah. Yeah, like late the game. Yeah, go out. I thought it was a late game call. Yeah, for sure.

Like going off that, like when you get a call in your headset and you know the call before you tell the boys are you like, the fuck? If I'm the quarterback and they're like, yeah, do the fuck.

I don't want to play. What's the play called? It was called, like, tracks, like, a razorback for trailing. Razor bag. Razor back. Yeah.

Run razor back. Run razor back. And you're in your head like, holy fuck. What was the D&D? So, I mean, starting 15, and we're in field goal range. Nice. I'm literally just staring at him.

Like, don't do anything stupid. I don't throw it, like, way back. They get the ball. Like, because we got points. And we're about to start off this game on the row with points. We need these points. So we need this point. So the crazy thing was it worked.

It just wasn't backwards. Like it was literally like two yards. He really caught it. I'm like, oh shit. I can't believe he paid it like that while he's falling down. Dude, I were watching it. I don't know how you throw it through it. Yeah, I don't know how he got that off really either.

I know. Just looking into Traylon's eyes before. Some crystal green eyes. Hey, don't do something stupid. He's like, yeah, you got it. Yeah, you got it. or bet or something. He said, and he caught that as he's going on, he goes,

this is the perfect time to throw this fucking ball in the air. I'm throwing it. You know what a movie scene was going on this day. I'm about to beat the hero. Yes. For a first down in the first quarter. First quarter. I know.

Questionable call. Questionable. Questionable call. Let's just say hypothetically, it's fourth and 13. Defense is in a loose cover three at the sticks. I'm going to give you an empty set. I'm going to go three routes curled up at the sticks. they can get the first down.

We put the ball in the money, and I'm going to give you two checkdowns. Where are you going with the football? Probably should throw it past the stick. I was so hot. I was so hot to myself. Oh, bro. Everybody gets an extra playoff check.

Trainers are getting an extra bonus. You got everything in the line. You go into the sticks. You go on checkdown. Probably sticks. Hindsight's funny. I'll put it on me. It's straight.

When you threw that ball, I was like, oh, cool. they're doing another one of those plays. Fucking running, barely down, like, tossing. Dude something. Where's the- throw that thing? I was so hot.

So... Did you know it was third down? Yeah, I knew it was fourth down. You sure. Yeah, I promise. I promise. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I guess that's hard.

That has happened. So I knew it's fourth down. I knew what coverage they're in. It's like, it's called three week bus. I mean, they're standing at the sticks. And they're standing like right where the guys were running. I always told you guys like, hey, try to find the window and everything. I was like, all right, I'm going to stare at.

the guy over the ball i'm gonna try to pull as many people tour them as i can and try to rip it to trailing into the boundary so i caught it nicholas rick runs a chains route and there's like four guys standing there and then i looked right and there's like two guys standing right next to trailing like trailing one dude was right in front of him for sure the corner like touching shoulders and then woody like the safety standing in front of him so i'm like the worst thing i can do right now let's take a set and then like it was literally as i was saying that and i was about to start scrambling it was was just out of reaction, like Hassan just flashed in front of my face. And I threw it.

And right when I threw it, I was like, gr, come back. Yeah. So, no, that one sucks. Like one, you just replay in your head that you're like, motherfucker. I'm like, why did I throw that? Especially you, for sure.

You're thinking, like, every rep in your head, I'm sure you're like, every rep fucking matters. Like, this is my resume of starting right here. Yeah, you know, and just like the situational plays. Like, that's one thing from the first game. I was like, all right, let's be better, let's be better situation. Which, like, outside of that situation, the whole game, I mean, we were moving the ball and converting third and long.

like two big fourth down. So we were a much better situationally throughout the game. But yeah, in that play, it was like, you know, just give someone a chance. And I was seeing like a couple third down is like, yo, this is a huge third down. Like to stay on the field at that play. Like the play before it, I was like, all right, let's make it as a manageable of a fourth down as I can. That's why I threw the checkdown to Asan the play before it. But yeah, you flashed from my face.

And it was a false start before, right? Hoop fall started? False started. They flinch. You fall started. I mean, they're, I mean, they're, I mean, they're, I mean, they're, I mean, front is so talented. Not really.

So we're trying to do everything we can to slow them down. You might have gotten better. I think they got better. I'll tell you what. I don't know if Josh Allen's gotten better, but he's gotten a lot cooler looking on the field. It does look cool. The dark visor, everything with the sea on the chest, he looks. He does look cool.

He's got that perfect, like, oh, that dude is a dog. Yeah, I mean, you look. That dude is a dog. You look over there. Like, even, like, Trayvon Walker, like, he can probably, like, get some cooler sock swag. But, like, he'll get it. He's a rookie. Yeah, yeah.

Everyone has a tough time the rookie. You're like, just put whatever that matter. Whatever you put it in. Yeah. You put whatever in your locker. Either way, if you're trying to look cool, you're going to get clowned on for that. If you're not doing enough, you're going to get cloned on for that. Man, they look the part.

You get out there. Like, the first thing you do, like, especially at a quarterback, you kind of size up everyone on the field. And you look at their line. They got some guys over there now. Got some guys. I need you to hold up a little bit. Yeah. But not more than Dallas, your first start.

Dallas was the same way. Dallas was crazy because you looked at the deal line. You're like, Mr. Marcus Lawrence. I heard a lot about him. Yeah. Parsons. And you look over there, like, there's Michael Parsons. He's really good.

And then you look at their cornerbacks, and they're, like, taller than me. Right. And their arms are down to their knees. You're like, like, what am I? I can throw a go ball on that guy. He's as tall as the receiver. So you, like, size up everyone. They have a large, very large defense.

Very large defense on the left. No homo. Nah, it's all good. That's a no pause podcast. Yeah, this is a no pause podcast. If you're sitting there when you're, when I'm sure you looked at the play a million times what are you wishing you just did slightly different probably just scrambled you know let someone work for you were you under duress you do you have that play i can't remember if you there was

pressure or not i think the play before had pressure i pressure like a couple or a couple plays so probably just scramble get someone a chance work a scramble drill yeah um yeah damn i know bro we were hey we were dialed in we were watching so fired up we were fired up i really thought that reminds me Me, go ahead, finish your thought. What are you talking about the turnover? Yeah, I was going to say, what's your thoughts on that replay, the turnover? Yeah, because what was it? That was a six-man protection with a load to the right side.

Load to the right. And they brought the pressure earlier. They're like, if you see two of the back, you can flipper it, but also the load. Like all week we're like, slide to the load. Yeah. Slide to the load. I mean, it's Josh Allen, and then it's two interior de-alignment, and then we'll pick up the game on the backside. Slide to the load.

So I look at it. I'm like, I'm going to slide to the load. And then he'll bring a safety off the edge, which I felt him, I felt him rushing. Ah, you felt him coming. I felt him, I felt him rushing. From behind you?

Was this, you felt him behind? He was coming behind you. He felt him coming from behind you. Yeah. Coming up that back. I felt him rushing. So I'm going to drift to the right. And Trailing had like,

eight to ten yard route. And so I was just trying to give him to work off the defender. And literally a millisecond later, he catches the ball on the sideline for a first down. Because, I mean, he was wide open on the sideline. So that's football. So you saw the overload, you're like, all right, they're going to pick that up.

But you knew the safety was coming or didn't know the safety was coming? I didn't know the safety was coming. You didn't know the safety was coming. No, I did know the city. Okay. But it was a linebacker, a linebacker mug and the safety. Linebacker dropped. Yeah.

So in my head, linebacker drops. I'm like the back. I'm thinking the back will pick up the safety. The back's head, he's thinking I got to help out. with the internal game and then the left guard saying I got to push to the load for their games to the load. So everyone was more sliding right

and then it was kind of he became a free rusher just based off their scheme on defense. Damn. Yeah. Damn, bro. That's a bad call though? I thought it was a forward pass. Yeah. We didn't see it on the field

because obviously when you're away they never play any replays, especially of the biggest play of the game. The Titans, Anisastas Stadium they do. They play replays. They will be calls that go our way. And then they'll show it in the base screen, oh, we should probably. Probably throw the challenge.

I feel like that's what they're supposed to do, right? They're trying to show the replays that are in your favor. But Jacksonville could have thought, I don't. That's a forward pass. That's a forward pass. Exactly. Jacksonville could have thought, oh, this doesn't look like it's in our favor. Don't show the replay.

Number two also looks very cool. He does look cool. Yeah. That's fine. Can you go back to the other view? The play? Yeah, I want to see this. That same play.

But like this view. The next one. It's the next one. Yeah, I think it's the next one. You're talking about the check down or you? No, I'm talking about that play where he gets, uh, hit. Oh, the Ford. I want to see like the whole entire thing. They're really in this way.

All right. And they took it to the crew. Stop here, stop here, stop, stop, stop, stop. All right. All right. All right. Something is slide to the load. Yeah, okay, but there's a mug there.

There's no one coming. If you're sliding to the load, I'm not going to say what the call is, but they're sliding, these two are, a man and Haskins is his gap is right here in this A gap because he's unless somebody else is coming because his is either A gap. He should be picking up that guy if no one else is coming if they're rushing they're rushing five Yeah, they only brought five because no go okay okay sorry go back 41 ended up dropping to the field

Yeah is this a bigger or a little that's a little that's a linebacker okay so that is that is Asans yeah to the crib damn it was Josh. That's a forward pass. I feel like they didn't look at it very long. Me neither. I don't think they did either. But to me, it's like if you could have just had that grip for just...

A millisecond. Yeah. Millosecond. Because that's the thing. It's almost like it, even though your arm's going forward a little bit with it, you can see your... You can see it coming out early. Yeah. Which I get that part of it.

But with the... Like, he's hitting me for it. With the ball go. It's coming out of your hand forward. Like, here's my thing. If you... You know where you go back there in QB's... like sometimes they throw in the ball just slips out and goes backwards.

Right. But if it slipped down and goes forward, that's before it pass. That's the same exact situation. That's a good point. It's the same exact situation. I'm buying that stock for sure. Oh, that's, I think it's four-backer. So Jacksonville shouldn't have won.

You think then we punt our defense stops. Then we take a knee, we go home. The Titans got cheated out of a division title. We could say, right? Go back to that play. The play we were talking about the sack. I want to see the down in distance. Third and five.

Third and five, how much time is left? Three minutes. Three minutes. We get the first down. Three minutes in the game? Three minutes left in the game. That was right afterwards. What's wrong, what you got?

What you got on your mind? Nothing just. As an armchair quarterbacking in my head right now. Third and five. Go ahead. Defense has been playing well. Yeah. I think why not take a very like, not, you could absolutely run it.

You could absolutely run in that situation. Third and five? On third and five with two minutes, two minutes, 51 seconds left of the game, you could run it. You could run it. Or you can do a very quick, high percentage throw and hope he gets to the sticks. Right. Because your defense, look at the score. The defense has been playing great all game.

And we have the best punter in the league who's going to hit that ball 50, 60 fucking yards. Yeah. You do that. You're talking about a completely different game right now. Three timeouts on both sides. There's a. They'll probably burn one. If you run it, they'll probably burn it to save it before the two minute.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point too. But third and five, you're still trying to get the first down. You're still trying to get the first down, but you got to go with a super high percentage throw. That might have been a high percentage throw. They just, their scheme, beat our scheme in the situation with how they were setting the things.

Yeah. Again, it comes down to literally a millisecond. And it's totally different, too, if you sit there and let's say we're not sliding to the load and you think, all right, we got five guys up basically. Why don't we just mic this guy over the left guard? Now you have five on five. now Haskin picks up that safety off the edge. Yeah, that's a four-past.

That's a forward pass. That's a forward pass. Play it live. Play it live. And I get like the rule where they say, all right, let's let it, let it, let's let it go. That's what I got. I was like, they'll be like, it was a four-pass.

If you just saw that. I know, man. You think that's- a forward pass. Because, again, he's not hitting the ball forward. No. He's in my arm. Which is like a eight, nine-yard throw.

Is the exact same? Same play. Yeah, because you try to think of another argument for the times if you're being biased. And if y'all are playing the Patriots, when Tom was there, it's like, obviously they're having biased towards the Patriots. They wanted to go to the playoffs. Did it? Same play. Go back.

Pull up that play. Please pull that. You talking about the tuck rule? No way. Oh, yesterday. I want to, the way you frame that question him about the checkdown, it was a really good job. Yeah, that was, that was, yeah. Did you think about that before?

Yeah, it was kind of something. I was messing with. I was telling Caleb how I wanted to ask a question about the fourth and 12 play. Like, hey, I'm going to give this situation where we're getting a few out. We're going to have a checkdown fourth and 12 game in the line where you're going with the ball. Yeah. And then he started laughing. And Caleb was doing what Caleb does.

It starts like painting it even more. And it talks about there's a $40,000 check for everybody on the roster waiting to go to the playoffs. You get that extra bonus. Yeah, that's a little bit of my face. You're thinking how fuck I wanted that check too. God damn. Yeah. Exactly.

I mean, anywhere you slice it, dude, you played well in those two games. You played well enough for the Tennessee Titans to win the... Dallas, I don't know. Like, it just didn't go our way, that one. They played well, too. They played well. They had more talent on the field. Like, that is what it is.

You can't watch and beat their asses in. You gave Tennessee an opportunity to win. And that's all, at the end of the day as a quarterback, that's what you did. You did a great job. And your second start in the NFL. Yeah. That's incredible. You have everything to be proud of.

Appreciate that. Like, you can nitpick yourself on the fourth and 13 all day. But really, dude, you are... I mean, that's live, right? There's three things that can happen when you are a backup thrust into a starting role in the league. You can play so well that this dude needs to be a start in the NFL. You can kind of stay where you're at or you can play yourself out of the NFL. Yeah.

And you are in those top two. And on drop of the hat, like, again, you did that within a week, 10 days notice. Let's say, let's say, I mean, I'm assuming Tanna Hill's going to be on the roster next year. He's there. You're the number two. People know Tanyhill goes down like, oh, we got Josh Dobbs. We're going to be all right. Go play.

We can go play. We have an opportunity to win a game. Exactly. With an all season under his belt. You've leveled yourself up just off of 20 days. For sure. How cool is that? It's more than that.

I mean like the end of that was, um, several points like, well, why wouldn't you just like just go back to Cleveland, like send him back to their practice squad? It's like you have to give your, you have to, if you're not, if you're not, especially a quarterback, if you're not drafted in the first round or a team doesn't say, hey, we want you to be our guy and we're going to put you on this field until you are successful to be the guy. You have to look around.

and say, hey, I have to make an opportunity for myself. That's what you got to do. And that's what you did? Is that how you feel about it too? Yeah, for sure. The game gets done. Like, you're obviously upset. You're like, fuck, man, I would have loved to have gotten in the playoffs.

But now you can kind of sit back and look at these last two weeks. Like, you took advantage of your opportunity. Definitely. And any doubt that might have crept into your mind over the last six years of being like, am I starting this? Because everybody has self-doubt. Of course. Everybody has that.

You have silenced in your own head. That's the best thing. Especially you really like and you just you affirm to yourself that your process works You know I mean that that that's the biggest thing So when you do the process and then there's no Result at the end of it like there's nothing there's nothing to show for it You're saying they're like okay yeah some good preseason tape but a lot of guys have good preseason tape You know going out and actually playing like in big games like and playing well

In those moments is completely different than saying yeah you played really well in August Against basic cover four and cover three defenses for three weeks you know Yeah So yeah I know it It definitely does feel good to make the most of the situation. Wish I could have made more of the situation, you know, like not throw the checkdown. Yeah, yeah. I'm fucking with you on that.

I mean, I'm not, but also. Did you really tell Trailing to be smart with the ball on that play? For sure. All right. For sure. It's like. And again, you know that you can do it. It's like six years is a long time.

Not as you doubt yourself, but again, leaning back on conversations with Colt McCoy, he's like, man, because injuries would kind of hurt him to like be a full-time starter because he would get hurt. He's got, like, an injury history. He's like, man, I just want to know that everything I'm doing every day because he was very, like, regimented process, like first day and last,

all that shit, bro, every fucking day to him like, yo, you know, why are you still blah, blah, blah. And it's like, man, when I do get the opportunity, I just want to know that I can fucking do and everything I'm doing is correct. Like, I just want to prove myself that, like, I can be a starter. I can go out there and win a big game.

Exactly. But yeah, no, that's sick, man. It does suck. that it's like the boys don't get to go into the playoffs. Yeah. And also, I didn't get a check either. I would have got a check on the hour. You would have got a check?

Oh, yeah. I would have got a check. Remember Kyle? Phillips? Yeah. Wanted to pay for his wedding? Oh, yeah. He said, this check will pay for my wedding.

Yeah. We win this. This check will pay for my wedding. Yeah. Sorry, Kyle. But there's a lot of guys on the Titans roster that I think made themselves money. Like, I think Jordan Ruse went out and I think he played really well. He plays hard.

I think Corey Levin went out there and made some money for himself. Those are the guys like I've rooted for, but I like I'm not in alignment, so I don't know if they have. I thought, I thought Jordan, I think he's been starting for five weeks. I think he is, he played good. Like not, hey, you did, you did all right, but he played good football. A couple of you want back here and there. But I think he proved a lot of people wrong. I think Corey did the same thing because Corey's not the same person.

He was draft. Is he same draft classes? He was 17. Corey's like stories very similar to mine. Yeah. We were talking to him on the plane last night. was that yesterday two days ago it's all a blur and he was like yeah that was just my fourth start

like boy that was just your fourth start last night he's like yeah that was your second that's crazy of course the best isn't he is he's awesome he's super smart but the way he talks like is this guy he's coming out slower than he's thinking oh dude he thinks fast and talks slow he is a dude though like when he got here in 2017 I don't think he was a guy that I perceived

as being happy to be on the football team like happy to be in the NFL. I've made it because I'm here right now. Yeah. Just thankful for being in the room. Yeah. And then he got cut. I think he went to the Jets and then he went to Denver.

And we had. So the Bears. And the Bears too for a for a hot second. Kind of like really in a big limbo part of his life. Gets a, I guess a fourth chance in Tennessee again and is a, was a completely different person. Still same great personality.

Still talked real slow. But he was definitely one of those guys that I could see he has made like a maturity growth. Yeah. Being like I'm not satisfied with. just being on a roster. And I think the boy made himself some money this the last few weeks. You carve yourself out of a role to know that you're a dependable. You're a dependable backup emergency situation, which is a start too.

I think Corey could be a starter in the NFL. And I do believe Jordan Ruse can be also. I feel what you're saying. I'm just saying from situations like that, you almost need the confidence to know I've carved out, like, I'm going to be on a roster next year. Now I get to take advantage of actually competing for a job. Because when you're in and out of it, you're almost thinking like, man, What situation can I get in to make the roster?

And then you get to play a few games and you almost feel like, okay, I've earned myself some money meaning like I've earned myself a 53-man spot. Now how can I look at actually winning a job? A whole different headspace. Yeah. A whole different headspace. Yeah, because Jordan stayed with me. His family was in Texas.

And during camp, when they released the veterans, Jordan's like, I don't want to stay in the hotel. Can I stay at your house? So we did. And we would drive together to practice. We would go. We would constantly talk about like his situation. because he would lean on me

because obviously being somewhere knowing that I'm going to have a role on this team and what I'm going to be, he would lean on me and I would just kind of like get Liloki give him a letter grade every day. I was like, hey, if you did this well, thought you could have done this better,

blah, blah, blah. But put a really good camp together. And I think it was really looking where, because at first it was him, Daniel Munier and Corey. And there's always, you know how camp is. There's always like battles within the position group.

And that was his battle per se. Munger gets hurt in one of the scrimmage practices we have. and I'm hurt for Munya because that's my boy but Jordan he's sat for Munier too but at the same time he's thinking I got an opportunity that's one off the list right there

Nate has a couple of things Corey he starts feeling more into a center role so I'm looking at the end of camp thinking oh my boy's gonna make this team like he's literally willed himself into had a great camp played hard I think he had a tough last preseason game

and he was really it was really weighing on him and then two days before the active roster's done we traded for Dennis Daly and I think that's the one that took him out of the race because he was a guy for that moment took him out and because he asked me like, what do you think? I'm like, well, I don't know the kid. I don't know Dennis Daly very well. I know him better now, obviously.

But I was like, it seems like a tackle. All right. I think they. That was, yeah, that was not. They traded, I thought they were trading for a tackle because there was a whole situation with Dylan Radens. He and Nick were fighting for the tackle spot. Then Nick wins that.

I think they're now trying to play Dylan in a inside three. position, which also puts a little more pressure on Ruse, and they bring Dennis in to be the backup tackle. Obviously, a week into it, Dennis was thrust into a starting job, but that's what, it's crazy how you do all the right things. And now he's fucking out. You know what I'm saying? But, and then on the other hand, he sits there, he works hard, gets elevated, sits

around for 10 weeks. He's making activated money. He's grinding. Guy's a workhorse. Also, you're a workhorse, too. I saw you in that wait room a few times. You were getting after it. Appreciate that.

I got my weight on. But I'm proud of, I'm proud of Roos. I think, I think his year is like just the grinder. He's a grinder that's literally making his NFL dream work. And I'm fucking proud of that guy. He's done a great job. Those stories are like awesome because it's like, shoot, you just, you got to grind. You just keep grinding, keep grinding, keep chipping away, keep chipping away.

And you see like, I feel like you can see all those guys, right? And then you see the decisions made by one half and then decisions made by the other half. The other half kind of like, you know, gets. weeded out of the process and you're kind of just, you watch Roos do his thing. And you're just thinking, man, like, I'm fucking, I'm rooting for him because this motherfucker does all things right. Right. And then he was late three times.

Some guys put themselves out of the league. He was late to meetings three times. He was left three times this year. I will publicly say that. He needs that accountability. Almost everything. Bro. Yeah, that's going to be tough from here then on a public platform.

Yeah, that's going to be tough from here. But I've already said so many nice things. There's got to be something I have to drag him through the mud on. It takes his one jab and he's flying. It's like the comments on Twitter, dude, you see 10 good ones and one bad one bad one, things way worse. It's about a chugging ability and he was flustered. Yeah, but you're fast. Like you shouldn't talk about people's chugging ability because of you're incredible.

I understand that, but I'm talking about all I had to do was tell Jordan like, oh, yeah, Taylor murked you. What are you talking about? And he was bamboozled for like the next two months. Yeah, easily rattled Jordan Ruse. That's a tough pendulum swing on him just now because there was so many good things said about him. He was doing good. I started that. That's on me.

That's on me. That's tough. What do we talk about now? This dude is an aerospace engineer. Yeah, I don't... That's true? That's true. Yeah, because on your Twitter, it says certified rocket scientists.

You're a certified rocket scientist. This is on my Twitter. That was the coolest thing. I've changed it when I graduated. It's like certified rocket scientists. Yo, that is insane. It's almost like the default thing you want to be when you grow up when you're just the youngest. Yeah, I was like, I only be a rocket scientist.

Yeah. What does that even mean? You scientifically know rockets now? Yeah, exactly. Like build you a rocket, go to space. General Studies major. One of my classes was astronautics, and it was actually pretty mind-blowing

because it was literally like space travel. So you were doing, it's called like Holman transfers and non-Homan transfers. So just like talking about like trajectory. What are those two words? What are those words mean? Holman? Here's my first question.

Hold on. Sorry, sorry. I'm stuck right now. Like, you're trying to send a rocket from like Earth to Mars, like Earth to. another planet, just like the math and stuff around it. You're going to love our tear talk. What's that?

You'll find out in a little bit. Don't worry. It's been what you're talking about, but very dumb down. Eight year olds are going to love this part of the show. Perfect. What was your one question going to be? Is time travel real? So my time traveling, my time travel traveling piece is,

it's like, so like time is the fourth dimension in our world. So like you had it, if you're in a two, two dimensional world. No, no, no, no. No one laughed. This is unbelievable. If you're in a 2D world, like if you're 2D world, like a picture book, right? Right, you got two dimensions. Yep. The third dimension is time.

So it's like the ability. I thought you said the fourth dimension is down. We're in a 2D world now. We went back. Okay, okay, okay. So like you have a book and it's 2D. Yeah. So the third dimension would be time.

So like the ability to just flip the pages and like go from a different spot in the book. So like in our three dimensional world, time is the fourth dimension. So if you could time travel, you have to be four dimension. in a three-dimensional world. Okay, hold on. Yeah, okay. So I understood what you said, kind of. Yeah.

But I don't think you answered the question. So I don't think it's time travel is real at the moment. Because I feel like, I saw like one thing, one theory is like if time travel is real, like time travel can't be real until the day someone creates a time machine. Because then you can time travel backwards and force to that point. But until someone creates a time machine, you can't time travel to an area of time where there's no time machine. think that potential's out there? I don't know.

You ever seen Interstellar? I have seen Interstellar. Okay, hold on. That's the Interstellar. That's the interstellar. That's the 3rd. The 4D shit? Yeah, he's like,

40 could just pick where he wanted to go in the three-dimensional world because it's in the fourth dimension. So if time travel is only real when time travel is made. When there's a time machine made. When there's a time machine made. So if the time machine was made right now

and it was right outside this building. And we said, okay, we're going to time travel. We can only travel to the future. We can't travel to the past. Great. Interesting. You want to know what's fucking crazy. I just saw.

I don't know if that's true. No, we're going to take that as fact right now. That's, you just gave me all the information I now know about time travel. Like, that is, that's fucking it. You know what's crazy is like, say the potential to create that is out there. The moment it gets made and you can time travel, our future selves already knew we were going to come up with this. Yeah, because they look at their history books and say, oh, 2020 is when time travel. Matt, it kind of hangs up behind the library right now, a bookshelf just yell and do this.

that. You know what I mean? Yeah. He knows that it's going to come at some point. What massive implications are there on our species human beings? Or time travel? With, no, with time travel being able for the common man to do. Isn't that extremely dangerous? I think so. I don't

know. What's your opinion? Do you think of a superintend scientist? Yeah. Now we're talking about the butterfly effect. Well, like, being a rocket science is so funny because people... It's a great movie. People are like, you got to know everything. Like, when you become a rocket science, people ask me about everything. Like, I don't know

everything. I just know, like, rocket scientist stuff. So, like, time travel. I know rockets. You know, like, I know the couple theories. There's no rocket science. You think you're fucking better. Oh, I know. I'm just a man, but I do know rocket science. They're not all knowing, you know? When you're done playing ball, then what do you want to do with that? Show it off on podcast? Show it off on podcast.

Yeah. Yeah. Be like, uh, uh... We create, like, what's the... What's the guy that goes on the podcast and talk? the astrogy astrophysicist Neil de Grasse you'd be like him and talk circles around people no I won't I won't do that um you'd have my attention

I've done stuff at NASA like I want to get my pilot's license this offseason so I think I'm going to do that while wherever I think that would be dope like stuff like that um I really like aviation I really like aviation like stuff like growing up planes was always my passion I studied aerospace engineering

because aeronautical engineering would be just aviation aerospace engineering is aviation and space so you get both just to see the differences but I really like aviation I think that would be something really cool to get into if planes have always been your passion since you were a little kid why have you waited until now to get your pilot's license I haven't any time honestly

interesting so like the last off-season my first off-season I did a externship of fanatics just like learning like how they grew their company from a business standpoint. Just to learn business. Second off season, I was with NASA, third off season,

I was with NASA. Fourth off season was COVID. So nothing was going on, but I did stuff at NASA. So I just haven't really, like, had the time or just been in, I guess,

the physical place to be able to do it. So this off season, really like where I got the point. So I got released from Cleveland and I'm going to practice squad, as we all know. And so I was sitting there, I was like,

yes, I'm like, playbook and everything, but I also wouldn't be really productive with my time. I was like, we'll be something like cool to, like, set myself up for the offseason. So I started taking the pilots class. I was like, I'm going to get my pilot's license.

So I started taking the class and stuff. So I was doing that, like, in my free time. And then obviously since I got here, I haven't looked at it once because I had to, you know, play. But, yeah, so I kind of like saw that. I was like, yeah, I want to do that this off season. So I'm going to do it. There you go. And that fires me out.

Do you know what plane you want to fly in? Um, so I'm going to do it with Cirrus over in Knoxville. Yeah. Um, they make a lot of single engine jets and planes. Um, so I want to fly in one of their jets. So I'll probably train in. You're playing it. You want to train in a jet.

No, excuse me, one of their planes. I'm not going to get a jet license. That takes like a lot of, a lot of hours. That's a lot of hours. The fourth license down. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'm going to do like the 40 hour one where it's like 20, 21 days.

Yeah. Like hard training. It'd be awesome. You can just go fly wherever. That'd be awesome. Are you your instrument as well? Probably. Yeah.

In time, if I have enough time to do it. Man, that is sick. Because Sirius is like the new coming of age single prop planes. Yeah. They have the thing called SR 22. Little doors that kind of come up. It's like all carbon fiber. They like the Lamborghini, like butterfly doors.

Yeah. They're sick, dude. They're awesome. They're awesome make. If you want to get one, they're on back order. I can't really fully afford like my own one. But when I can, like you can get one like super decked out, customized. Damn.

Like they're dope. That second picture on the. right, that's their serious business jet. That one? Yeah. And that thing legit, you will sit in it and it's like an extended sitting in an extended suburban SUV. Yeah.

It's really super comfortable. So it's a single engine. So you're the engine problems. They have a parachute that deploys that for like, as it's safety feature. Yeah. And it's actually, they've actually had to do it like a couple of times. And they say like every time we do it, it's really cool because it just reconfirms. Like even though it's a single engine jet, like we still have redundancies to make sure

everyone's safe. Yeah. And if like the pilot gets incapacitated, there's a button. on top of the roof. You just press that button and the computer will locate the nearest airport and land for you. No, you don't touch nothing.

Jesus. So you like, you enjoy like flying around more than you do like being in space. Well, yeah, I haven't been, I haven't been to space. But I'm saying,

do you aspire to go to space? That was a great, that was a great comeback. Once I said it, I was like, oh, yeah, he has to, we have to be okay

with the fact that we know we're sitting with a man that's much smarter than us. For sure. I just hope to gain whatever knowledge he has to give us, Whatever droplets of information we can take, we got to soak that in. But laughing at me for dumb questions.

No, no, no, no. I'm not laughing at you. I'm telling you it's okay. No, I want to go to space. I would say, like I've thought about it. So every time I go to NASA, the first thing they asked me, it's like, but when are you're going to start astronaut training? I'm like, dang, you guys are like really serious about this.

Like they had me do a whole promo for them for getting people to sign up to be astronauts and everything. They're really, like the Bob Cabana. He's the head of Kennedy Space. Every time I see him, he's like, you know, when are you going to come work for me and go to space? I'm like, dang, man, you're really serious about this thing. So I think in time, like, I probably would. I think that'll be really cool. Yeah.

I'm in no rush to do it, like, at this point. But with all the stuff going, like, so much commercial space, right. Opportunities are out there. So I think it's something that I'll do down the road. Would you want an internship with SpaceX? Internship with SpaceX. So you shadow Elon Musk?

I would want to go see what they do. Because, like, just so, so they have a big site down NASA in Florida. And they say, like, just talking with the NASA people, like, those SpaceX engineers work around the clock. So I went over there, and so they have one of the launch pads. They have two launch pads down there. So when they saw their launch pads and they have their landing zone where they land their rockets, like, at the space station after they detach. And so just like I've been around them like I've seen their operation and those people work like around the clock. I guess like what they what they've done for the space industry, they've changed the game.

Just like because of how often like how much they work like how many strides they take forward and short some amount of time. How many rockets they launch when they launch a rocket like every week and then they land it and reuse it and then launch it again. It's crazy. Damn. The cycling. I think Elon Musk is the answer. I think for Twitter. I don't only get kicked off Twitter

I don't want to ask that question so that way we had it for whatever clip we want to make Just in case I think Exactly I mean he's changing the game Like yeah I think so Yeah

Do you think he could easily become a villain? Do I think he could become I mean I think he has the power to I don't think he would Because everything that he's done Literally has helped Civilization Like work smoother

That's how it starts. Starlink, they're watching Wi-Fi for literally anywhere, anywhere in the world, you can have Wi-Fi. Tesla, we know what Tesla's doing with electric cars, you know. And he's like all the strides that NASA will make to go to the moon, go to Mars, happen because they have companies like SpaceX, pushing the envelope on everything that they're doing. So that's a rocket scientist answer. Yeah, that's right. So obviously I don't think you're going to have the answer. And if you do, I can't wait.

what is the future for space travel for the normal, for like the general population? So. Phenomenal question. That's a great question. All right. Okay, boys. I appreciate it.

He might be ready for president one day. I would say like in the next, the next 20 years people will be like going to the moon. It won't be. It won't be a odd occurrence that normal civil is it normal civilians, they want to go to the moon. They'll have the ability to do it.

I think like there will be people on Mars too. I don't know how soon. People like what, farming? Like are they like putting a snake in the ground? You know what? I mean, you're on once to go on Mars. I mean, they're training astronauts to go to Mars actively. And live there?

Yeah. I did. I mean, so the NASA, so I worked on the NASA Artemis project. That was to go back to the moon. So the rocket that I was like working around launched beginning of December or end of November, I believe. And so that was unmaned, went to the moon. It was like a 20 day mission. the circles around the moon came back

but it is for the next launch in a couple years where they're going to rebuild the rocket is going to take people to the moon and then like the fourth iteration that rocket is to go to Mars and then to take people to Mars. So it's close, it's very close. NASA works slower because there's a lot of red tape,

there's a lot of political things around it. I mean, the president changes every four, eight years and that really changes like NASA and like how fast that they can work and move forward. But because the commercial company, want to do it, the government will want to do it. And like, so it's going to happen soon. And because also, like, people are interested in it.

People are interested in space. People want to go to space. It's back cool now like it was in the 60s. So that'll be soon. People will be going to the moon and then shoot Mars as well. Is Josh Stiles the smartest guest we've ever had on the podcast? Off the top of my head, yeah, him and I think number two would probably be a Burke Crusher.

It's a big drop off. It's a big drop off. It's a big drop. Bert's a phenomenal. He's a very smart individual, but he ain't no rocket scientist. Some of those things where Josh is talking, you're just like,

oh, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm legit, like, learning. I feel like I'm like, yeah. I'm enjoying this. Appreciate that. Imagine being the first, like the first group of guys and gals that are like,

all right, you guys want to go to the moon? And it's like, fuck hell, let's go. And then like, we got to, like,

we are the first ones to do this. Like, for vacation, too. Do you remember? We did a vacation, like, how we're going to Cabo? Like,

Hey, I'm getting those tickets. Let's go to the moon for five nights. Yeah. I heard it's great this time of year. Let's go and check it out. Yeah. Dude, what was that? Was that in the 90s when they sent, like,

they sent, like, teachers up to space and that blew up? Yeah. I don't, that was a challenger. That's a challenger. I don't want them to misquote it. Challenger, yeah. So they have. Magic school bus gone wrong.

So, so. Yo, dude. So NASA has a statement. Said teachers school bus. Yeah, no, I got the joke. Yeah. Tough jokes. They have a room in the VAB down there where it's dedicated to the crash.

And they make all the commercial companies, like all the engineers that come through NASA, you have to go in the room. And you literally see the records. You see parts of the shuttle that they went and found and put in the room, all the records and stuff. Just as a reminder that, like, every day that you're working, it might be monotonous. It might be, it should have been 10 years since they've launched a rocket. But you put people on the rocket. You know, there's actually souls going to space and your work, you know, even though you're looking at the math and it's important, it's even more important with the life factor. So it's pretty cool.

It's like you go in there. You know, you're like, oh, a NASA's cool. And then you walk in there just puts it all into perspective. Oh, man. Crazy. I'm too good for this bus. Hey, before you do tear talk while you're talking. I got to pee.

I forgot about some part of our conversation. And also teach them shout. I don't know if you're shouting. Okay, okay, okay. Hurry up and pee, though. You said that you and I have had a conversation. couple run-ins before. When did we ran into each other before? I was just talking about the complex. Oh, okay.

All right. I don't know if there was like a drunken stupidly night. I was like a losers or something. And you're like, yeah, you were actually. What's that? That bender in Arizona was crazy. Yeah, a riot house in Arizona. Dude. For the Super Bowl. That literally was a spot too, always Old Town.

I can't stand Old Town like that though. Old Town's fun for like a couple days and then you're like, all right, I'm good. I know, but I just see where I grew up in Arizona, I grew up in Cave Creek. and my mom would always have like this personal vendetta against everybody that lived in Scottsdale. We get down there and you see the street signs started to change. She had these rich fucks. Like they're a bunch of, like, she would like implement like money.

Money's the enemy in my mind. So I get down to Scottsdale and all these fake people out here. I still like at 31 had that same like programming in my head. I got to get over that. I got to move on from that. But yeah, Old Town is every girl from my high, not every girl, but most of the girls from my high school, like they go to college and then they get jobs at like bottle blonde and stuff like that.

So look, when you go back to visit, you're like, you kind of feel like the man because you know a whole bunch of people down there. You're like, you can go in and out, go wherever you want. What's crazy to me is like when I was at that age, I'd be like, yeah, this is sick. And then you'd see like some 30 year old guy and you're like, what are you doing? You're doing here. Now I think to myself, if I go to old town, I'm like, I'm fucking that 30 year old guy. Yeah.

I'm just an old fuck now. No, you can go. Screw it, man. Yeah. I guess. May probably not. All right, tier talk. So the way tier talk is going to work is.

We're basically tier, like the way we talk about our audience, we have tier one fans. Like they would drink the Kool-Aid. They're in the cult. They're about the business. Yeah. Tier two is like just under tier one, obviously. They're like, they watch, they listen, but they're not like extremely diehard fans. And there's a tier three sort of like basic viewers.

So in Tier Talk, we have our category, which today is, Jack? I thought it was Best planets. Best planets. Best planets. Fitting. A lot of things. we might have a god tear on our hands too boys we might have a god tier

so the whole idea behind that is finding you're gonna go three to one you can have an honorable mention in there if you want and then it's going to be your third favorite second favorite and first favorite planets after you finish and there's a lot of gentlemen

on this bus today I hope the camera can you get the camera of everybody on the bus bossy everybody will go around with their microphone and give one word to describe how they felt about your tear talk Okay. So there's a lot of pressure here.

I'm the only one doing it? No, we're all going to do it. You, me, and Will. It's going to be a good deal. It's just best. Okay. Best planets. I know it's a weird.

That's why I said like it's very elementary. I'm like, dang. I don't know. I kind of know what my honorable mention is for sure. And I know what my tier one is. Would you? I think we might have a God tier. God tier is if like you, me and Will,

like, say like, our favorite planet is this. It becomes God tier. Tier 2 is now your tier 1, tier 3, blah, blah, blah. You have to find a new tier 3. Go ahead and start us off. I got to start us off with the tier talk. Yeah. I can't prepared.

My tier 3, no honorable mentions. God knows it will make the graphic. Although it is a New Year, New Us, New Us, G. New Year New Us, yeah. Maybe we put the honorable mentions in the graphic now. Yeah. Honorable mention. No, I know.

Listen, I don't want to be met with that kind of defense. We're doing the thing right now. We're trying to do a bid. just, honorable mention shout out to Pluto. I would love to shout out Pluto. I feel like it's somebody you kind of want to get to know. It's not a planet.

Right. They got exiled. They kind of get kicked out of the classroom. You kind of want to know a little bit about their story. Maybe they got something going on. But I'm going to give an honorable mention shout out to Pluto. That was mine. You made me go first. I know. I didn't think you think of it.

I don't think of it. I don't think you think of it. My tier three is going to go to Planet LV-201. You guys might be wondering what that's from. it's home to one of the best crossover series that have been made alien versus predator it's a breeding ground it's a planet where it's infested with aliens

and predators come every now and then the hunt big game and they call that that's their sport so my tier three is going to go to planet LV-201 my tier two the year of getting jack my shot my tier two goes to planet fitness so about making gains in 2023 boys and getting jacked and getting sculpted is one of them.

My tier two is planet fitness. My tier one, and my tier one is true and dear to my heart. It's a shout out. It's a tip of the cap to Star Wars. Daggobah. Daugobah. Daegobah. Daegobah.

There we go. Obviously, it's true and dear to my heart. I can't always pronounce the words correctly. I'm not on that alpha brain black label right now. But that's where Yoda was lived in exile after the third star. Wars in the series. In the swampy forest? In the swampy forest and brought the hope, the Jedi hope, backed by training Luke Skywalker and teaching him the ways of the force. A lot of law of attraction, biblical, foundational teachings and philosophies come out of that movie. And it started on Daegobah.

Degoba. Nice. So that's my tier one. That rounds out my list of favorite planets. Oh, it's pretty good. You're kind of thinking about the planets now, ain't you? Yeah. My list is a little different. All right, one word, Bloss. Go elite. Thank you, Blas. Nice. Fictional. Right?

Hilarious. I love it. Wrong. He gets it. He understands the assignment. I'm up. What's your word to describe my tier talk? Solid.

Just okay. It's the first word to him my head. Imaginative. Thank you. Good word. Do I get to ask Thomas why he's a fucking Hater? Yeah, yeah, yeah, ask him. I only get one word to respond.

Well, now you can describe it. Yeah, what's up with the hate? Describe it. Describe it. Dengelba? You know, I just, I wasn't thinking in the confine. I was thinking in the confines of our eight planets in reality, you know, not necessarily businesses or fake planets. So, I mean, I guess it's not, no hate. Because I love Banga. Big Star Wars guy.

It sounds like Thomas has really just fallen into a lack of imagination. You forgot the child in you. Yeah, I am a total serious guy. Nothing in me the joke. Your beanie says it all. My yellow and orange together. That small town thinking, you're only thinking in... Yeah.

You're in the box, man. I got to be out of the box. I'm glad we figured out this is a you problem, not a will problem. That's outstanding. Yeah, get out of the galaxy, brother. It's on me, man. I don't think it's wrong. Dobby, you want to go?

You want me to go? Or should you... Do you want Taylor to go? I'll go because I don't want to go last because I don't think mine's going to be that great. Well, that kind of attitude, it won't. All right, I'll go. The first stuff, I want to give a shout out to Will Compton.

I think he did a phenomenal job there. I am going to give an honorable mention. My honorable mention will be the same as Will's. It's going to go to Pluto. When I was in third grade, that motherfucker was a planet. Now all of a sudden, you're trying to tell me it's not a planet. Take out my fucking schooling that I had. Fuck you, school.

That is a planet. And I think it was done wrong. I think it was very disrespectful of what they did to Pluto. And I think Pluto needs it today. Pluto needs to be talked about more. fucking free Pluto, dude, because this is out in the confines. When I was Googling shit, it literally had the eight planets, and they made the planets big enough to where they had to stuff out Pluto's little ass.

Like, put Pluto back in the fucking image and just put Pluto, dude, and just go from there. I don't want to cut you off. But Pluto hasn't gone one lap around the Earth in your life. I mean, one lap around the sun in your life. What does that mean? I mean, it's like, it's not a planet. No, no, no. He's a follower. He's a follower.

It beats by its own drum. It's not a planet. Oh, y'all just want to go in circles all day? I'm out here doing shit. You know what I'm saying? Let me be here. It's the long time to get around. You see how far that motherfuckers out there?

You can't even see it. We barely see Jupiter sometimes that big ass piece of shit. My tier two is going to go to Neptune. That big blue bastard. Sorry, my tier three, not my tier two. My tier three is going to go to Neptune. That planet is overshadowed by Jupiter, that big ass ball of whatever with that little fucking.

Is that Jupiter with all the gas? It's really big and has that cool hole. Jupiter's the biggest one. Yeah. That's Jupiter. All right. Neptune. The red dot.

The only reason why it's in my tier talk is anytime I saw a picture, I thought to myself, that's a cute-ass planet. That thing's blue. It's beautiful, and I love it. I like Neptune, dude. I like Neptune a lot. Passion by that Neptune. Yeah.

My tier two is Uranus. And you can probably pick together why. I thought tier two should be Uranus, dude, because I think it's somewhere we all want to be. We all want to be in Uranus, Will. Because you like fingering dude. Dude, what are you talking about? you do something twice and all of a sudden you're a bad guy

twice you mean dude what do you mean bro I'm a bad dude dude because I like whatever I fuck with uranus dude I mess with uranus and my tier one salute

to the earth dude you got water you got gravel you got that good ass oxygen people can breathe wherever they want around there people are bitching about the trees and stuff too but the only place that you can just get out and go

and be all right without a dumb ass mask on you. Be grateful. Yeah, we could probably save more trees. Plant a couple, dude. We should do that this year for 2023. Not only get jacked, but plant a couple trees. Help out this beautiful earth.

That is my tear talk. Help the earth get jacked. Help the earth get jacked. I will. Before you guys, do your one word, I didn't like that. I was interrupted multiple times. All right.

Do it. If you need to put that into one, your one word, that's fine. But just know that pissed me off a little bit, dude. That's fair. I apologize, too. Thank you. My question was going to be like, why were you so angry presenting the whole time?

I don't know. You were like yelling. I was passionate, dude. Big fucking Neptune, dude. No. By Jupiter's big fucking ugly ass. I got mad. I got mad about Pluto because I remember being, I remember being in third grade being like, that's a cute ass little dot, like hanging out.

And then all of a sudden it was just gone. And there was really no explanation. They're just like, no, it's a star. Or what, is it a star? I think it's a satellite considered. satellite now? Is there Wi-Fi? No.

How is it a satellite? No, oh, Pluto. Oh, Pluto. Neptune's big and cute. Yeah, Neptune. Neptune, Neptune is massive. Massive. Just too small.

That's it? Yeah, it's just too small. He got the little guy. That's crazy, dude. You know, I didn't make the rules. Don't get mad at me. I'm just reporting the news. Darren Sprouls was too small.

There you all. Proving the haters wrong. My boy, Deuce, out at Kansas State. They said he was too small. Blake Coran was too small. We'll see. We'll see. They just can't be football players because they're small.

It'll be back. It'll be back. It better be back. Pluto's making a difference. So I apologize for my anger coming out, but Pluto did rough me up a little bit. Boyce, one word. Passionate. Thank you. Vulgar.

Intergalactic. Intense. Grateful. Thank you. Cosmic. invigorating. Passion. I'll take all those.

I'll take all those. Yours was very truthful, unlike Will's. His was a little fantasy, you know? Yeah. I love that. I'm coming from the heart. Also, before you go, Mitch, I feel like you just find out a word in your head,

and regardless of what anyone says, like, that's what you do. That's fair. Inner galactic. It was a cool word. And I enjoyed that. But I also thought to myself, that's not genuine.

That's just something he thought to himself as he was talking. He's like, oh, that's a cool, big word I'm going to say. And you got what you wanted. I looked up outer space. Did you really? Buzz light, you said this in Toy Story. I'm going to use it. All right, Josh, you're up, dude.

I'm up. All right. My honorable mention to start, because everyone pronounces it wrong, is Uranus, not Uranus, only for his pronunciation issues. All right. Tier three. Tier three will start with Venus. It's Earth's evil twin.

I just think it's sick. Like if you just look at the science behind it, they have like crazy hail storms. It's just an intense planet. My tier two is Mars because it's the future of human civilization is where we're going next. And my tier one is Earth.

Just like Taylor, just thankful to be here. Why is Earth and Venus? Why are they considered twins? Can we live on Venus? They're the same size, same mass. But everything Earth has, like oxygen and nitrogen, like Venus. has the exact opposite.

So no, we can't live. What's the opposite of, for those of the people that don't know? I think it's like, very high, I think like carbon dioxide. I don't know all the science behind it. I did it. I learned it one time. I was like, oh, that sounds pretty cool. Yeah, I just love the fact that you asked the question because you're like, I'm sure people

out there like, like we're all in class right now. Yeah. I'm sure somebody else in the class of this question. Yeah. Why can't we live on Venus? Hey, well, you just coughed. He coughed all over me. Like, spit in my arm.

Sorry, I don't think I got anything. All right, one word, Blas. Knowledge. Stellar. Here we go. Here comes. Straightforward. It's a two words.

It's a hyphenated. We do the hyphenated words here. Yeah. Educated. You better not say it again. Smart. Educate. Educate.

Yeah. Not too. Thanks, Malone. Hifin Milky Way. Hmm. Yes. Yeah. We'll put an hyphen in it.

Informative. Thank you. That was good, dude. That was good. Should we include them on Shoutout? No Free Shoutout? Yeah, if we want to. Are you familiar with Shout Out? No Free Shoutout.

What's that? So you've never watched an episode. I've watched an episode. I haven't watched a full episode. You just watch the clips? Yeah. Fair of three of you. We have a lot.

a big tier three fan base. Okay, so shout out, no free shout out is our favorite segment of the week. The way we phrase shout out no free shout out is on this podcast, we're not going to shout you out. We're not going to shout you out. You got to pay to play in this game. This is our opportunity to dish out a couple of shoutouts to those small little things in life that maybe are overlooked or underappreciated.

Okay. So we will all go first and then you may have the floor if you would like to. Okay. Boss. Just us? Yeah. All right. Do you want to go first?

Let me go first. I have mine. Go ahead. It happened this morning. Oh. My shoutout, no free shoutout, goes to. I forgot how I'm going to. You want me to?

You go, you go. My shout out, no free shout out goes to when you're at the cash register and you're speaking to somebody and they look at you and they say, all right, that'll be however much money. It's 1249 and you put your credit card in. And then they take that little white thing and they spin it back to them and they don't give themselves a tip because they realize they turn it too fast. and they pressed no tip. They were the bad guy for themselves.

They took that extra initiative. Yeah. And so you kind of walk away being like, damn, they actually deserve a tip now for not taking a tip for themselves. But the integrity of that individual, wow, that's incredible. A good shoutout.

Thank you. I thought about that on this bus. My shout-out, no free shout-out, goes to love at first taste. When you get that, when you take it, whether it's a swig, have that first bite, and you get that electric shock down both your jaws

that you just tasted something nice. Yes, dude. It goes out to that little subtle difference that makes in your day Because when you taste something, it was after a hard workout I took a, I took a drink of that drink you put me on. Yeah, Celsius. Celsius. Those Celsius drinks, I took the little peach flavored and it rocked my jaw, dude.

And I was like, dude, I'm in heaven. Yeah. I'm glad to be out of this workout and sipping some liquid with the boys. So my shoutout, my shout out, no free shoutout goes to love at first taste. Yeah, that was a good one, dude. I was really good. I was doing down the hill there at the end, but I was tripping a little bit,

but I caught myself. All right, Josh, you want to give one? Yeah, I'll give one. I'll give one. My shout-out, no-free shout-out. That's what I say? Yeah. My shout-out, no-free shout-out goes to sleeping your own bed.

You know, when you're traveling on the road, when you haven't been home for a long time, just the first time you're able to look at your bed, jump in it and sleep in it, just that sensation of being home. Yes. That's a good. That's a good shout-out.

No-first. Because them covers will touch you nice, bro. On the next minute. They dress you. Yeah, then you're rocked up next second. You don't know what to do. You're like, am I going to go to bed right now? I'm going to finish this boy off.

Yeah. I don't know. What's what? You start like straightening your legs and stiffening your legs. Yeah. God, this thing is touching me. He's like, what are we doing? And he kind of comes out of the seat.

Right, that's you. Yeah, dude. Nothing like jerking off in your own bed. That was Josh Jobs. Shout out. That was Josh Jobs. It's jerking off in your own bed, Josh Dobbs. There is a nice little deal when you get in like a family opposite.

Like you get in a hotel room. room, you lock that door and the night is over. You don't even have to lock you. And you take that generic-ass little watery-ass lotion. You're like, you're about to have hell. You looked out at your little buddy and you go, you know what's up. Yeah. See, I'm lazy, though.

I don't think, uh, I don't think lotion. Like, I want my hands to kind of stay dry, so I just get that rag. Really? Yeah, I'm rag. I'm straight. Yeah. No, I think that little, that little water lotion needs to catch hands. I'm in a hotel room.

Then you got to get up and go wash your hands after. Nah, I don't. You just wipe it with the same. Yeah, I kind of. You know when you have the rag and you have that hard streak after? Like you got to like, like, you're taking off a layer of skin with that rag. And the next day you wake up, you're like, the scent is still there. Which is nice.

It's all right. Like, the best scent you can probably get is like eucalyptus or lavender. But usually it's that plain jane like you know there's lotion there. But then you think to yourself, are people going to realize this lotion is only on one hand? Yeah. I got after last week with some conditioner. Oh. Yeah.

Matter of fact, it was Dukes. Duke Cannon. Yeah. It was their conditioner. Yeah. Dude canning conditioner and had this nice minty smell.

That can hurt though. It can hurt, but it felt nice. I had the cooling sensation afterwards a little bit. I was a little frightened. Because of my story. Right.

But it wasn't like that. It was nice. Yeah. Do you remember the first time you masturbated? Do you remember the first time you did? Do you? We've talked about it before

on the pod. Like we have. Like, I'll tell you. It's your own story to tell if you want to tell it. Yeah. I'll tell you my, I remember my first time. I remember like it was yesterday.

I don't really want to know your first time. He's drawn the line. I appreciate your openness, though. I do. I really do appreciate it. You know, LimeWire was involved.

Are you sure you don't want to... We talked about on the pod. Dude, for real. Go Adam 22. So, we're going to assume you don't want to talk about your first time masturbating on... I'll probably pass this.

Maybe my second time. It's probably smart just because you got, like, NAS and some big shit in your future. Yeah, NASA is obviously watching this podcast. right now. He had a little musk and go, oh, he masturbated? Never mind. He might have some homies at NASA. It's like, oh, they're on this podcast. I want to watch Josh Dobbs. Yeah. Look, getting you guys, you know, some new viewership. Yeah. That'd be cool. Different clientele. That is cool. That's going to be awesome.

More of the University of Tennessee. It seems like you're like... Loved. There's Peyton Manning and there's probably Josh Dobbs. Yes. What about this? What about the last game? He saw it at the game. I saw it. He saw it at the game. I saw it. That's why I'm saying that. Yeah. The games are hilarious. Just like the, like, I mean, just like going upstairs and just like the whole process of it. They're all about, they're all about Josh Dobbs, dude. That's awesome. That's an incredible feeling.

You did feel it the rest of your life. Live. You should go at least once a year, the rest of your life just to get that ego boost. Just like, if I'm feeling down on myself, I just should go to Knoxville. Oh, it's fall? Not for long. Let me show up real quick. No, it was not.

I got to meet him. I had the privilege of meeting him in right in front of the elevator. I remember it clearly. And I was thinking, don't overplay your hand, Will. Hey, you should come on the bus one day. Did he say you say you should come on the bus? He did. That's the first thing you said.

like that. I'm always out to recruiting. Always. ABC always be closing. Yeah. That's my sales tactic. Well, we got some strings, though. He was in the chancellor's box. He was up there. I saw him. Yeah, you really like that. He says you really like that. You really like that? You really are?

And I knew there was some underground because of Jack, too. Like, Jack goes, like, he leaves the bus. Yeah. He leaves us for like a week every year to go film for his camp. Yeah. Damn, that's That's cool. But anything else?

What do you got? Y'all play golf? I like to try it. I like to smoke cigars and play music and have a good time. I mean, it's just an open bar at the golf course, basically. So you guys got to come playing the golf tournament this year. You have a golf tournament? Yeah, in Knoxville.

That's what you're saying, Chase Rice. Chase Rice. Horny Chase Rice came. He played out of it. Last year was the first year. Honey Chase. Yeah, y'all got to pull it this year. It's fine.

Where is it? It's at Tennessee National, just right outside of Knoxville, like on the weekend of the spring game. all the all the VFL's coming back and playing it Hey you see this what weekend is that It is the We did it with April Third week in April

That's a busy time for the boys in the bus We're doing a little spring tour We could do Knoxville well Were we doing in Knoxville again? I don't think we were I don't know But we could make that work We don't want to give anybody out there hope

That we could be rolling through Knoxville again We're trying to put together a fun little spring tour If you're around just let me know I don't really golf but I'll go Yeah yeah absolutely Thomas doesn't golf Some bruce with the boys? Yeah.

Hopefully Chase is there. You get them back. Yeah. Chase have fun. You won't play again. No. He's not there chasing. Do we ask all more questions?

Is there anything? Any questions from Jack, a Tennessee fan? I mean, I know, Josh. I mean. Anything that you're listening to. You would ask as a fan, none of the friend. Right, right. What was your most memorable moment as a volunteer?

I wanted him to walk through the most iconic play from his career in Tennessee, which was the Georgia Hail Mary. Hell yeah. Because we're going to see fans, it was, it was like not just the play itself for the game, but we had a string of weeks where was that the first time we beat Florida the week before in 11 years? Yeah. Crazy game came back, went against Florida, and then the Hail Mary that Josh threw to, yeah, Juan. I don't know, I thought that was cool, but that's not really like necessarily a question.

You did it. You just did it. Now, tee it up. Finish it up. Put a question mark at the end of that. How. monumental is that for not only your college career, but confidence moving forward going into the NFL. Well, that was a good way to round that off.

That was good. That's a good question today. Snows for Jack. Yeah. No, I was live. So, like, so I grew up in Alfredo, Georgia, so just outside of Atlanta. I wasn't really recruited by Georgia, but I never wanted to go to Georgia. But I just had beef because I never really liked Georgia.

So, like, I was, like, senior year on the road at Georgia. and we're like going back and forth the whole game but then they're like I don't want to lose to Georgia like a beat him last year we got a beat him again and um they threw like a hellmary ish play like right before it so there's like 15 seconds left they just burned their last time out I was really standing next to Malone they're on like the 47 yard line but they have to score a touchdown

me and Malone are like oh yeah we won like we're about to get on the about to get on the plane get back to Knoxville it's live we just won at Georgia and then the next play they throw a whole shot down the sideline, dude catches it in stride, and we literally look at each other like, no way. So they score. With how much time left?

There's 11 seconds left on the clock. Oh, shit. But listen to this, a dude from their sideline runs on the field, no helmet, 15-yard penalty. And he's actually, he's from Nashville. That's why it was funny. He went to go to Tennessee, think of him.

He ran on the field, 15-yard penalty, so backed him up. And so we had the best returner in the nation that year, Evan Barry. So they had to kick it They had to kick on the ball They would just kick down The back of the end zone

We'd be running hook and ladder And just praying They had to kick it He catches it They tried to like pooch kick it He catches it on the 30 He runs right We're like

All right keep going He runs he looks at the clock Runs out of bounds At their 46 yard line With four seconds left on the clock And so before that We're like Are we going to do hook and ladder

Or we're going to throw Helmerie So we get to that yard line We're like all right We can throw Helmery So we get on the field Line up call timeout, come to the sideline, get back on the field. And then they rushed three.

And it was like, make sure you don't take a sack. Make sure you don't throw it out of the back of the end zone. Yeah. Pepper this check down. Four seconds. He was waiting for that. The whole story. The whole story.

I thought of it once you said, don't take a sack. I'm like, oh, he's going. And then you kind of smiled. I'm thinking like, oh, shit. I'm going to get him. I'm going to get him. Yeah, that was a good one. Just rub it in my face.

Kick him on down. Check down. Now, I just threw it to Jawan. He did the hard part. He threw a bomb. And when he caught it, you're like it's fucking up. You're probably just sprinting down. So when he caught it.

Is this the play? Yeah, this is the play. So when he caught it, I really remember seeing him, like, catch it right here. And then it was like, all hell broke loose. God, that's so cool. at Georgia. So that was what was so cool about it because you could literally hear a pin drop.

And then they put all the Tennessee fans like open the rafters at the top of the stadium. And it's just like they're just going crazy. The band is like at the top of the stadium too playing Rocky Top and then like Sea of Red. Silence. God. Why?

That is big. That's fucking cool. Tennessee does have one of the best fan bases. They really do. They roll so deep. They do. What a bomb too. No.

You know everybody in the defense, everybody fucking jumping for the ball and shit. I know that defense coaches were just... I was trying to find the play that set it up because literally Georgia threw like a 40-yard bomb with 12 seconds prior to this play. We were up four points. It was for them and they were gonna win.

And they were... Babes could just beat us and everyone's like no fucking wins. We're 4-0, undefeated, and they threw it. And I forget who said it. Someone goes, and they bought to party their butts off tonight. It was like electric in the stadium. It got rowdy, but then we were. able to come back and do that coach

coach joan coach at the time with jones where's he at now he's at uh Arkansas state oh damn that's tough yeah good dude good dude yeah really good dude you play with some good players yeah i saw camaro on there yeah you feel like tomorrow's most underutilized

college football player of all time yeah well like we had jalen heard too the most underutilized college football player of all time you see what he's doing in the league who's going crazy you got then we had jail and heard too Jalen heard was a thousand-yard rusher as a freshman and sophomore. And then Alvin got there too. So, and then once Jalen got hurt,

Alvin obviously started going off. But like he was already going off. He just, like we would give the ball to Jalen a little bit more than we gave it to Alvin. So, I mean, obviously at hindsight, like, man, this dude's amazing. He's like one of the best running backs in the league. Wish we could have used him more in college. But like at the time, he thought we were. utilizing people the best we could, you know?

Damn. Now I'm thinking, I'm like, fuck, I don't want to keep going here that much longer. But I am curious. There's a couple players that I'm thinking of

that you play with on the Steelers. The Pouncy. Pouncy. So I've heard nothing but like insane things about the way he is as a leader. And also it seems like you got to play with Antonio Brown.

I would love that. Was with A.B. Yeah. What did you think of A.B.? Like playing with them on the, on the black and yellow. Yeah. Black and gold.

I don't want to butcher. No shot. of Pittsburgh Nation. Black and yellow. Black and yellow. Black and yellow. Oh, I just got a text from Dennis Kelly.

Todd Downing and Keith Carter were fired. I didn't even see anything. So that might be. That might be Privilege information. Breaking information. But that was from Dennis Kelly. Oh, really?

Yeah, it feels from Dennis, and that means it's probably out there. Keith Carter. The old line coach. That's crazy. Wow. What's the reaction? My reaction?

Keith Carter and Todd Downing just got fired. Real time. We just saw right now. What's your reaction to that? I don't think you can say that. We got a video. Wow. We got a video.

Oh, my phone's out there. You got the video? So, Coach Major, that's his name, not. And then Keith Carter and Todd Downing. Oh, Air Frasier did? Yeah. Rob Moore still there. I don't think Rob is going anywhere either.

What an interesting, I mean, first initial thought. I know you're literally on the spot. I know. I'm without any time to register any of that information. I think Todd is an incredibly good person. He's like awesome to be around. He's a great guy. You kind of could tell, like obviously the whole season,

everyone's calling for his head. Like that writing was on the wall. There was a moment when I went out to a walk. I think it was right before you got there. I was literally in a poncho. And Todd, Todd was like, oh, you playing tied-in? I was like, yeah, I'm going to play tight-in next year for you.

And he goes, oh, you go into, and he recited some random high school football team. Like, he, I think Todd knew he was going to be fired. I think so. I'm really, I don't know. Hard goes out to him. Good family man. Good dude. Obviously a bad situation after the Packers game.

Keith. He's been there. Yeah, for like five years. That's five years. Yeah, man. Keith and I have had a very up and down relationship. And I think it's ended at a much. higher point.

But damn. I think like when Keith first got there, the way he came in and the way he was trying to act towards everybody, like very disrespectful, very... Like the authoritarian? Very authoritative, but like in a very like dictatorship type of way. Keith grew every single year. And he did live on the O line with impossible standards.

That was kind of like one of those things. You know how it gets kind of toxic sometimes. Like it's never good enough. You think you do well, but all of a sudden there's one or two plays you want back and sometimes you just want to pat on the back and you never truly get that. I think Keith's a good, I think Keith is a good offensive line coach that was stricken by injuries. Me, Ben, Nate, Brewer was hurt this year and Nick missed a couple games.

That's all five starting guys were hurt. So that's not necessarily Keith Carter's fault. I think he'll be able to get a job in the NFL game. But, yeah. I think, yeah. I mean, I don't want to say anything disrespectful. Right. Because I think he's a good dude.

And I think, like, his, his nice friendship, friendship is a very loose term. But our business relationship got a whole lot better from the first time he was in to now. I just wish he, he focused a little bit more on taking care of the older players. I think Ben got a little more of that towards the end. And then I kind of did this year. But those practices are hard and they wear on your body and they wear your tires are. really fast. And you could see it

towards the end of the season sometimes. But I think, I think Keith's getting to get another job. I think he does a great job. I don't know Coach Midget at all.

I pass him in the hallway, knocks every once in a while and that's kind of what it is. I hope it works out for him. But damn, that's crazy. Yeah, it's happening.

Black Monday. Yeah, I didn't think, I didn't think they'd be fired until later. I didn't think Keith, I did not think Keith was going to get fired. Damn.

Are we sure it's Keith Carter? Do you see that Blake Quorum's coming back? Yeah, I did. Oh, I meant to put a tweet out there like, bro, there's only so much shred on the tire in the NFL, you got to go. Leave this conference. Figure things ahead, brother. No need to come back to Michigan.

Yes. Nebraska will take care of it for you. Three-time, Bay 10 champions coming up. Last thing, Josh is final. Hang on. Don't even bring that out, Doug. He was talking about it. He was talking about it before that news came out.

He was talking about a couple of his teammates from the Steelers. Let him talk. No, no, no, no. What are you going to say, Jack? I just want to know about Josh's last game as of all. The Nebraska game? Yeah. It will.

38, 28, I believe. It wasn't that close. Close game. What was the score? You said 34? 28. 10 points. I mean, we're talking about two possessions. They scored with like two minutes left in the game.

And then we took a knee. We were doing handshakes in the locker. What year was that? 20, 2016? Yeah, 16. Mike Riley is the head coach, right? I don't know. Riley?

Yeah. I think that's part of the Mike Riley era. Like, that's... Don't sport that? Hey, sick, Jack. You beat Mike Riley. I didn't beat anyone. We always have just the...

I have a clearly healthy rivalries in college football. We have the most historic rivalry in college football. Have you ever heard of the Boston Trophy? The Boston Bowl? Did you see that? No, what's that? So you didn't see it. Oh, wow.

I thought he watched. So you don't follow At all Yeah He's an honorable mention watcher dude Yeah Every year Michigan Nebraska

They play for the Bustin Bowl There's a 40 pound bus trophy We got made Yeah It's sitting in Michigan's trophy room right now Along with Paul Bunyan Along with the brown jug For those of you want

When did y'all start that In two B10 trophy championships This was the first year This was the first year That's lie Yeah Bro we kind of just brushed over Those guys getting fired

Yeah Well like what a how You know, yeah, what do you really say? I don't know. I just feel bad. Todd Downing, I, I feel like everyone was just waiting for that one. Yeah. I don't think it was coming today.

What kind of, what kind of homage are we wanting to, or we want to spend time on it? Like, are you wanting to ask somebody a question after you spoke? No, no, no, no, I just kind of spoke. And I didn't want to be, like, disrespectful. And now I'm, like, rethinking about what I said. I'm like, it wasn't disrespectful. Yeah, it wasn't.

It didn't feel disrespectful, but I was also, like, you also got to cover all bases. those are human beings or families, and I want to make sure that I'm not like being rude. Right. But yeah, okay, so we can move on.

We can absolutely move on from that. And you're, and you're, go ahead. This is just such a good pop, but I'm thinking of the two hour mark right now. I don't know how you're feeling about sitting here. Okay,

I'm good. I'm straight. Because now there's a few questions I want to ask. I still want to talk to you about the teammates getting to play with Pouncey and Antonio Brown. And I also want to ask about your situation, like being in the headspace where you're at, being somebody that's been on IR all year.

Yeah. And you've talked. openly about anticipating being cut and everything else. Whether or not that happens, time will tell. Like, where has your headspace in since? Because it's one thing knowing that, like, yo, this could be my last year in Tennessee. I could probably get cut.

Like, we're in the season. The minute the game ends on Saturday, it's a different vibe because even, I don't even play and I felt so I'm like, damn, it's just over for the boys. Now it's off-season mode. Yeah. It's definitely gotten more real.

I feel like it's, yeah, it had to have gotten more. more real for you. It's gotten way more real for me because it's like, we talk about it all the time. Like me saying I'm going to get cut is like my weird like subconscious like egotistical way of being like I know I'm going to get got. And so I don't want people to think like I'm just getting blindsided here. Like I know like the writings on the wall for me. So I keep vocalizing it. One, because it's that's kind of how I process things, but also like in a weird way it's like me getting ahead of it. You know?

And once that game ended on that checkdown, I literally thought to myself like, damn it really is over like this is probably the last time I will ever be on you'll see the name Terrell Luan on a Tennessee Titan roster even even though it was on IR this year and so that like definitely like Saturday I told you I like I saw Talon like after the game I was like hey we don't talk about this now but like I feel weird right now I do feel I feel like uh right not like I would say emotion I think emotion is going to come when that time happens and I had a conversation with Ryan Cowden today. And I walked in his office.

I love Ryan. I think Ryan's a great dude. I have no idea how good of a GM he would be. John Warren there. I think there's nothing he could have shown in these last seven weeks being the GM and I'm like he brought you in. They did a great job.

You know, like that's huge. But like where are they going? What's their process? I hope he does get the job because the person he is. And I know he does things a little bit differently. But I walked into his office and I was like, I know, because I've gained a relationship with him. I was like, I know you're going to cut me.

and I know that's going to happen and just know when you make that phone call and it's going to be difficult for you to pick up that phone because of our relationship, no, I'm not going to take this personally. I understand the business and I'm not going to think this is you cutting me. I think this is the Tennessee Titans cutting me. And we had a fantastic like 15, 20 minute long conversation about other things too, but it is just, uh, it's just wild. Like I've never, like, I've never been cut before and I've never like had to feel that. And I know sitting in the team room with Ray, Rabel, he always talks about guys like, oh, so and so how many times you've been cut?

And they're like, uh, seven and other guys are like 10 or whatever. And then they find their home somewhere and they're like, damn, this person's been cut that many times. They've traveled to it in a suitcase. Like you're a nomad. And so now I'm thinking like, damn, like everyone gets got. And when you're in the position I am, you think I'm never going to get got. But here I am in the, in plain sight with the sights on me, knowing that like it's probably

95% going to happen. And so it sucks, but it's also completely understandable. And we talked about before, there's, there's arguments I could sit here and be like, okay, I could be back at the Titans because of these things. Like these are the pros. And, but like if I were to like, if I was a GM and I'm looking at Taylor Luan, I would think upside is solid. The downside is two ACLs in three years.

Like, how do you, unless I were to come back and we would renegotiate where I'm playing for way less money, like there's no way I'm on that roster again. So it's just different. It is a weird thing to think about. Being in that building today was really weird. Being in that team meeting for the first time since week two. Right.

It's just a weird feeling. It's interesting too because you've been out of it since week two, right? And you can even feel yourself. You said it earlier. Like I've been more, you lean into becoming more of a fan because you're just not in the daily routine with the boys. So you feel separated.

But the minute that game ends, for whatever reason, it feels so much more finite. Like right now, just in real time, coaches are getting fired. Like, it just sucks because you build such like a pack mentality all year long about the aspirations, the goals we're going to achieve together. And then the minute it ends, whether anybody likes it or not, you have to come in the next morning with a business hat on and start asking people.

That's just like the nature of the business, which sucks. You know what I mean? And you know, like, all this transition happening, that last year and the culture and the team than the core guys that they've had the last few years or whether or not that all stays intact. But either way, it's like, damn, this is going to be a way different looking team. Same once you get removed from college for a few years

and you don't even know anybody anymore. Yeah, that fourth year you're in the league. You're like, damn, I don't know anybody more. You're like, man, I don't even really have a pulse. Yeah. On this team anymore. It's like it has to move on without you, which is like, yeah, that's the nature of the game.

But still, it's like acknowledging that. Like when that last play happened, it's like we were sitting there talking about it real time. It's like, man, it just sucks at the boys. Like tomorrow's gonna be that trash bag day. That's gonna be in that's the worst day. I kind of see Taylor's face a little bit. I'm like, man, if I'm feeling stuff, I can only imagine. Like, I'm sure he's feeling, I'm sure he's feeling that shit too, whether or not you've been

on IR all year. So like, damn, this year, this page is actually going to have to actually turn now versus talking about it all year long and anticipating it. Yeah, it sucks. It is fucking, it's hard. It's a hard thing to think about because, like my whole. whole life has been playing football and lucky enough being really good at playing football and now I'm looking I'm 31. Your solo teams like obviously high school you dipped on your bat the shitty team I went to the good team to get a championship or two I respect. But university is like yeah you're in Michigan for four years.

Yeah. You're here forever. You've had you've had the ability to stay on one team for nine yeah nine years. Nine years. Yeah. And it's just crazy that it's like oh that's it's done. And I remember like being a. rookie or like a second year or third year guy in the NFL and watching these old guys and then

talking about how they openly talking about how they're out of their prime and I'm like damn fuck those guys like why are you talking like that you don't even know like that's never going to come from me you never think like it's oh now I'm 31 and it's like yeah like if you looked at me on paper like my prime has passed me I could sit here and pretend like no I'm I'm still him I can still do this but like that part of it might be over yeah and like who knows like let's say I did want to go play football again. I would have to sit there and be like, okay, what are the logical expectations I need to have on myself for this season?

Not only that, but now I have to re-go back into that headspace that you and I talk about all the time where there is the, I found so much success in football because I railroaded people. I had like a low-key, a narcissistic mentality. Like I have to get to where I need to go. And if anybody's in the way of that, they're just getting pushed aside. Emotions, all of them are getting pushed to the side. And I'm going.

and now I get hurt and the thing that when I got hurt this year it didn't hurt as bad emotionally because last year off season 2021 I literally did everything I could I was working my diet my diet was on point my conditioning was on point my strength and everything was on point

like I was dialed to fuck in you get hurt the second game of the season it literally is one of those things where it's like I did everything I could during that journey even know like the result is not what I wanted so I literally separated myself way easier than I thought I would from feeling negative emotions while still working through them.

Like, I started feeling like happier. Like I started realizing, oh, I don't have to act like this. I started doing like self work. You know, like, how do I work on me so I don't have to feel this resentment from this person or that person because of how a railroad with them the past trying to get to the top of wherever I was. And now it's like, okay, if I want to go play football again, the only thing I know how to play football at a high level is to go back into that mindset.

but it's so difficult to do once you realize what you've been doing to people. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's so much. It's so difficult. That's why people like, it's hard for people to understand what it takes to be a professional athlete. A professional athlete alone, but an elite professional athlete.

Like, it's very, you have to be so selfish. And it's fucking, it's hard. So now I have to, like, I have to go and reevaluate that because we literally, I was telling well, like, I think I'm, I think I'm done. I don't know if I want to play anymore. The second that game ended. the second they took a knee I was like maybe I should do one more

maybe I can and then you start playing that fucking same game you've played in your head over and over again where it's like you could come back and do X, Y and Z what a comeback story and now you're rewriting that story in your head that only you really know so I'm like fuck it's been a weird couple of days for me

it's been a very weird couple of days but it's something I got to sit with and figure out you got any words or advice for the boy you got any advice for me I mean shoot take it one day at a time Like, that's my, that's the biggest thing. I feel like, sometimes you get caught up in like that cliche, like, you know, take it one day at time, like one meeting at time.

But, I mean, it's literally real. It's like how you feel right now won't affect, how you feel right now, like the emotions of the situation, the season ending. Like, there's just a ton of emotions just thrown right at you. But things are like just taking time to just like chill, take it a day of time. And then, like, personally, I know you're trying to figure out like,

shoot, my going to come back and play football, just play ball. It's like, I feel like, you know, a lot of people ask me why when you just go, like, do engineering, you know what I mean? Like, it's been six years. Like, you didn't get your opportunity. Why you just go do engineering? And, like, the biggest thing for me is, like, I played football since I was five. I'm sure it's probably similar story for you.

And it's like, the blessing that is to be a professional athlete and to be at the top. And it's like, as long as, at least for me, as long as, like, I can do it. And there's even an ounce of possibility that I can be a professional athlete playing the game that I've loved since I was. was five, I'll take it and run with it. So just like, just putting that into perspective, like, seeing all the emotions thrown at you, taking a breath, taking a day at a time, and then going from there and then, all right, I want to do this and then working hard every single day at it,

that's kind of, that's my mindset. And I know that's, as you said, that's being your mindset. Just because you've recognized you're in a different headspace, doesn't mean you can't be that same player in a different headspace. Oh, yeah. Or it also doesn't mean, too, like, like, again, I'm not like trying to speak for you or nothing like that but i'm saying even for me if you decide like one day you wake up and just decide like man i'm not i'm not as interested like that's all obviously all right too yeah yeah i mean

if you yeah because i've always it's always it's always it's always a tough thing about getting out of it is there's there's people like there were always uh you know like family members or people in your close circle that you know they think like you need to be putting more focus in the football versus like you know man for me it's like doing more of this stuff like hey why aren't you trying to be in a training camp and stuff like that and it's like you're like you're like you're like being okay with like releasing yourself of those expectations. You know what I mean? That's like the hardest part, like the outside expectation.

Right. Because you said that too. You said that too in the ending, your journey is obviously different. But the ending is like, you know, you could still be the same player in the same breath. But it's also good. It's also fine. If you're like not one the- If you just, if you want to go just, I mean at the end of the day, like you, each of us, you know, we've earned.

I feel like just the work we've put in just in our craft, whether it's on the field or just in life, like earn the ability. like earn the ability to be able to do whatever you want. Which is powerful. Which is powerful. Yeah, it's like the majority doesn't get to do that. So even understand that perspective that we're in the position to even get to choose what our path will be. It's awesome. Yeah.

Yeah. It is a fucking, it's an interesting predicament to be in. Because I don't know you guys, but I'm sure this conversation happened in the locker room all the time where it's like, how many years do you want to play in the NFL? And my answer for that With somebody after a tough day How long you want to do this? I only got one more year Yeah

And like the majority of people will say 10 Yeah I never said 10 I said this cliche line I was going to play football until I win And it was not like Win a Super Bowl

Whatever just feel like Whatever Basically it was like fulfillment Like if I Feel like I've won the game of football Where like I've done What I needed to do

In this game To leave an impression That I'm proud of Then I am good And if I sat about it I'm like I've done that I've conquered individual accolades to the highest degree.

We talk about this on the podcast. I was a part of a team that was awful, two and 14, three and 13 the next year. And it was a massive part after seeing so much turnover in a locker room being a foundational piece and changing a culture on a franchise. Like I take so much pride in that. And so now it's like, what are my wise to go play football? Because if it's for money, I'm out. Like there's, I will not play football just to, I've made, I've made money. I am, I'm going to be all right.

But it's, now it's like a long, like obviously if I'm going to go play somewhere, I have to be, I have to make, I have to make money that I'm worth. But there has to be another fighting urge, whether it's, I need another year. I like, I don't know. I don't know. You know a fighting urge at the moment? Right now I do. Right now I do a little bit.

I have a, um, it's tough. I'm loyal to the soil. Like I literally came back for my fifth year at Michigan when I could have been the top 10 pick the year before like an idiot because I thought we were going to win a big 10 championship and I wanted to bring greatness back to Michigan. We were in the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl

my senior year. We lost to Kansas State like 44 to 10. We were fucking terrible. And if I just sat there logically and looked at the roster, I go, oh, we're not going to be good next year. You should dip. Yeah. But I'm just a loyal guy.

So like the thought of me being in a different uniform besides the Titans, like that does not sit well with me. You know? But also like watching the demise of Taylor Luan, I sit there and I'm like, do you want to be a guy on the Titans that just was good?

Or can I still be good? And so if I truly believe that my knee is straight, because nothing else my body hurts, my fingers fucked up, my thumbs fucked up, but they work. So if nothing else hurts and I know I can be a, maybe not as good as I used to be,

but still a very above average football player, then I have something to give to the Titan still. It's just about figuring out what I truly want. Because it would be ridiculous to not sit here. I stand this bus once a week with the boys, and we travel all around the country, and it's fucking awesome. This is so much fun, and it's doing well. I know you don't watch, but you should, we got to get numbers.

I watch. I tune in. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah. Tier three. Two or three cat. But it's cool, man. It's just about, it's just about a valid. evaluating that stuff.

Yeah. Evaluating and finding out. But taking one day at a time, I don't have to make the decision right now. I just to keep gathering information so I make the best decision for myself and my family. Yeah. That's where we're at.

Yeah. You say the loyalty thing, but what about the first, your first high school team? What about those boys? That was not. Yeah, that was not my choice.

And I only won a championship with that high school team. Sophomore year, we won state 15 and L. So. You dipped on the boys. Yeah. My dad made me transfer.

Forced me kicking and screaming to transfer. Transferring high school is this. kind of like the hardest thing to do. Yeah, so hard, do. And my boys, I literally have Roman Roll 6th tattooed here and here for my boys, the sexy six or the dirty half dozen, whichever one you want to choose.

But, like, they were all a bunch of ugly fucks too, like curly hair, zits and shit. Like, it was just funny. But they, like, I left. And there was one guy, Nick Bennett, who, like, came to the school, my first day.

And, like, when I noticed it with at lunch, call me, he was in the parking lot. He had a subway sandwiches waiting for me. And we, like, went and sat in the bleachers. but all the other boys basically were like you're a traitor like fuck you now obviously we've all had those conversations we're all good but it was fucking tough because it was something i didn't even we're all in a good place now but we were legit like uh i legit was forced to transfer now it's the best decision ever happened like i played one year off its online and was able to go to michigan so

that worked out well it was the best decision i ever made in my life that wasn't even i didn't even make it so it was a good deal but loyal No, see me in any other buses. You what? I don't go on any other buses. I stay on this bus. Loyal to the soil. Loyal to the soil.

Loils of the soil. I think 24 is a long time for a podcast. I do think it is. I'll ask my other questions off the, when we get out of here. I'm sure my, I'm sure the boys back there. They're probably like,

fuck, man. No, not you guys. I'm talking about the gas. Oh. Yeah, I'm talking about our guests. Oh, we're straight. We were going to go watch the national championship somewhere later. Who do you think is going to win the national championship?

Congratulations to the national championship. The T-C-U Hornfrogs. Let's go Hornfrogs. Hypno T-C. They've won about that. This comes out tomorrow. My fucking finger kind of cocked out for a second. We got them.

I'm all for that. Fuck the bulldogs, dude. Also, we'd love to come to your school for a football school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'd love to come to Athens. The dogs. Dogs. All right, this last question, the rowback question.

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I don't like the offense is like I don't think they're as consistent as the Chiefs are the Chiefs or I think the cheese are going to win it I try to think in the NFC who could give a run Eagles Eagles yeah but I feel like

I feel like the cheese versus the Eagles in the in the Super Bowl I feel like the cheese are going to outscore I can't have the Chiefs win Yeah we can't have the Chiefs Well I just I can't go from the hot take of saying They won't even make the playoffs To then watch them win Super Bowl

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