Bussin' With The Boys - Josh McDaniels Opens Up About Colts Job + His Expectations On The Year

Episode Date: August 29, 2023

Recorded: August 16th 2023 | In this week's episode, again, it is still just the boy Will as Taylor is in his final week up in Canada. The intro is super football centric in this episode. Will goes through and gives his prediction for Nebraska’s football season and the boys in the back chime in as we give our predictions for the college football season. Following the intro, the boys sit down with head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders, Josh McDaniels. Coach and the boys have a mutual friend in Dave Ziegler, the Raiders GM, as he was Taylor’s guidance counselor in high school. So they start off the pod talking about Josh and Dave’s relationship which is cool to hear. Following that they get into how McDaniel’s used to coach Mike Vrabel. He gets into how much of a headache it was going against him just in practice and all the trouble he caused. The boys then get into some of McDaniels former coaching stints with the Broncos, Patriots and what eventually happened with the Colts. He talks about the different lessons he learned at each stop and how he is using them in his time at the Raiders. Finally, the guys get into talking about the Raiders roster itself. They have a stacked roster and McDaniels dives into some detail about some of their studs like the boy Maxx Crosby and Chandler Jones. This is a very laid back interview and shows that McDaniels is just another one of the boys. Enjoy fellas. 2:23 Fall tour is taking shape 7:45 Will goes through Nebraska’s schedule 16:00 The boys talk about the College Football landscape 21:54 Predictions for the SEC 29:58 Shoutout no free shoutout 34:53 Pet Peeve of the week 43:29 Twisted Question 56:40 Tier Talk 1:11:59 Shittiest moment 1:18:20 JOSH MCDANIELS INTERVIEW STARTS 1:18:25 Josh and Ziegler have a long history 1:21:40 What is the cutting process like 1:23:00 McDaniels used to coach Vrabel 1:26:18 Would he cut off his piece off for a Super Bowl? 1:26:49 What has he learned since being at the Broncos 1:28:23 Some old coaches and mentors he had coming up the ranks 1:29:35 What happened with the Colts? 1:32:06 The Raiders roster is stacked 1:37:01 Does he like joint practices? 1:39:00 Maxx Crosby and Chandler Jones are animals 1:47:48 What was like it like coaching Randy Moss and Gronk 1:51:06 How do they finish better?For more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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which brings us, before we get in, head to Chevy.com to check out the Chevy Silverado and all the Chevy trucks, the official truck of busing with the boys. Speaking of being on the road in our Chevy, and seeing Chevy nationwide, we are going to be our fall tailgate tours coming up. We're actually going to, once we dial in these last couple stops, that we're trying to figure out,

which we could use your guys as help on. If you're watching right now, leave a comment in the comment section. Harass us on Twitter and social media. We're going to be posting where we should go for our final stops, for our final couple stops. We're going to do six stops this year. Obviously, one's going to be the bus and bowl,

so you know nothing but Chevy self-varado owners out in the great state of Nebraska. But let us know where we need to go because we'll be hitting the road. It's going to be a good, guys, it's going to be a fucking fun season. It feels honestly the vibe. at Bustin with the Boys HQ probably the last week or so now leading up into it. You can feel

kind of the urgency that's coming, the excitement with football season, but also the stress that I know you guys are feeling way more than myself. Like I'm like, fuck, we got to do all these different things. We're going to be doing Bustin with the boys. Bet the bus is coming back. Bet the bus will be

out this. I think we're going to roll it this Friday based on some things that we have to do this week. We're going to record on Thursday. That'll come out Friday. Bet the bus is coming back. We got another show in the works that's going to be getting announced soon. Then also doing the pro football football show out at Barstall, Chicago. We'll be in Barstall, Chicago on Fridays. And then our fall tailgate tours on the weekends, six different weekends this year.

And I know from my perspective, it's like, man, we got a lot of shit coming out, especially September. We're traveling every weekend in September. But I know for you guys, it's like there's a lot of shit going on. There's a lot of shit happening. There's a lot of shit happening. Some big meetings, one big meeting tomorrow that hopefully will help alleviate some stress from the boys. But it feels like we're more like as excited as everybody is. We're also trying to get our head above water a little bit before the season's even gotten started.

Do you guys have anything you want to win on? I mean, how much time do you have? You know, I think you hit it pretty spot on. We got a big fall ahead. I think once we get into like the first weekend, maybe second weekend, I'm hopeful. that most of the stress will kind of fall away, but you don't really know until you're in the thick of it. Yeah, it's like, right.

The positive is externally, it's a great problem to have, right? A lot of decisions, it's a lot of workflow stuff that it's like, okay, we really need to dial in some workflow, some streamlining some things, because there's just a lot on the docket that could get easily lost in the cracks if everybody's not on top of their shit. And then everybody's trying to pass the back, on who's false aware and there's a lot of there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen at times um but as as as

good as those problems can be externally if the internal isn't handled with all of that it can create some internal conflict at times and i'm not saying like you know bad conflict just you want everybody in a good high vibe mood when you when we're around each other on these tours because we're going to be around each other a lot and just like you know delivering everywhere we go everything we do um But I digress. I don't know what that came from. We were talking about, oh, the fall tailgate tour. The fall tailgate tour.

I mean, last year we had a really good tour. We hit Michigan, South Carolina, Tennessee, Notre Dame. Where else? Because we hit another one. Austin. Oh, no, that was spring. Oh, we hit Nebraska? Yeah, early in the year, we hit Nebraska.

Georgia Southern. No, northwestern. What? Yeah. North Dakota. Was it North Dakota? Oh, that's right. That's right. Nail Biter. Squeeze one out.

Squeeze one out in the president's suite. By the way, Ted Carter left. He's now going to Ohio State. He was the president that Nebraska bought in, decorated background and military background. Like, a motherfucker you that... The vibe was high at Nebraska. I mean, he was part of bringing in Matt Ruhl, Coach Ruhl.

Who took his spot, you know? I don't know right now. Like, that was something over the weekend that I was seeing. trying to. That's new news. Ted Carter left that he's going to Ohio State. I don't know if it's to be president. Ohio State landed a good one.

From everything I've heard about Ted Carter, like he's that dude. So that's actually a low-key, a big loss for Nebraska. That's a big loss going into the year with Nebraska. It seemed like he was out of nowhere because we extended him past 2027, I think. You're out here drinking the rule aid, though.

Yeah, I feel great about where Nebraska's at. Not great in a way that, like, I'm calling that we're going to fucking take the Big Ten by Air Land and C, I will praise, I will shout from the mountaintop all year long with that. You guys know I'm not going to waver when it comes to my pride and fandom of the boys in the red and scarlet.

What is that? Scarlet, the red. Scarlet is red. Scarlet and the scarlet and... Are you all? Yeah, red and white. I thought we were... I think you were just red and white.

Believe that. We got to edit that part out. Either way. Either way, I am. I'm horny for some Husker football. The cobs are hussed for this Thursday against Minnesota. Should we go through and we do a little prediction for Nebraska schedule and see where we fall? Absolutely. I think the time is right. If not now when, you know what I mean? The over-under on Nebraska on the sports, the sport books is what? Six and a half? The over-and-a-half. under six and a half? I think it's six and a half, but six is a bowl game. Six is a bowl game, but six and a half, we're talking at least seven games.

You guys are the, like one of two only Power Five teams that have not made a bowl game in the past like 10 years, 15 years. I think that changes this year. As a matter of fact, I think I'll go as far as like, I think I'm going to put it a grand on the over, $1,000 on the over. And you've got Thursday night lights this week? Thursday night lights. Thursday night lights from week zero to Thursday.

Unbeaten in week zero. However, we get to essentially kick off the college football landscape for real. Like some of them, you know, preseason games happened over the weekend. But all right, we got the Nebraska schedule pulled up for us. Nebraska versus Minnesota. Okay, over. We're going over six and a half. Nebraska, Minnesota, I think we start off with a win.

And I'm only smiling. I'm only smiling because I know it's like, here goes Will again. But I think we start off the season strong. I've been watching that little documentary series, that little docu series that Nebraska's been putting out, and it does. It fires me up.

I know we got cats that aren't afraid to work, and that's what you need. And you got Coach Ruhl preaching the good message. Like, I think you want to start rewriting the chapters of Nebraska, and I think it starts this Thursday against Minnesota. So a win against Minnesota. You are a seven and a half point underdog. Yeah, that's okay.

We're always the underdog. Like until we win games, we need to be the underdog. By the way, if you want to, the spread is seven and a half, take plus seven and a half. Spoiler alert for bet the bus. Take those points. Nebraska, Colorado. I think Nebraska beats Colorado. I think the stadium is going to be filled with red.

I think Colorado's over under on the years, like, what, three and a half games? Not a lot of promise. I believe in Dion. I believe in Coach Sanders. I think he's going to get that program heading in the right direction. there's been a lot of change just in his first year with the roster and everything else. I just don't think they'll quite be ready yet. And they're definitely not going to be ready for the big red machine coming into Colorado.

Week three against Northern Illinois, that's a win. That's our first home game. The excitement. Night game. That's the first home game after starting off 2 and O with the roulet filled to the tip top. That's a win against Northern Illinois. Then you got Louisiana Tech. And that's going to be one of those games where you're 3 and O

and you're sitting there in the meetings the night before a game. And telling these boys, Respect the fucking game. Don't sleep on these teams. We're not good enough. We're not going to be good enough this year to show up and win. You've got to respect the game because if not, they'll be celebrating on your fucking field. We'll be 4 and O going into the Bustin Bowl.

Here's what I'll go ahead and say we will drop a game because I can't be naive and think we're going to go undefeated this year. A part of me does think we got a shot. However, I'm going to say we drop a game to Michigan. I do think it'll be a tough fought game. I think it's a game where fans are going to be proud of the team that is performing. in that stadium of Memorial Stadium to where it's like, hey, we might have lost this game and we might not win them all this year,

but we're fucking trending in the right direction. That's what I believe with the state of Nebraska this year. So we're going to be 4-0 after Michigan. Will that be the first game that Harvall comes back from suspension? No, he actually gets to come back in week four now. I think it went from a four-game suspension to now three game. Okay, and that's week five. Yeah, and listen, Michigan's going to be a good football team.

That's going to be one of the horses we need going into maybe the college football playoff for the Big Ten. It's going to be them. I think Penn State's going to be really fucking tough this year. I think Ohio State's going to be really good this year. Big Ten's going to have some tough football. Now, moving on to Nebraska, Illinois, at Illinois. I got some boys. I'm going to say we lose two in a row.

You guys want some fucking realism out of the boy this year. You guys want some, hey, reel it in. There you go. I think Illinois is a sleeper team. They're like a dark horse. They build their team off. run game and defense. So you build the trenches. They got Bielma. I like Bielma. I think he knows how to build programs. I think he's trending in the right direction with Illinois. I think Illinois,

we might drop a second game at Illinois. And it's going to suck. It's going to hurt. Like, it is going to hurt, especially when you start off 4 and O and lose a tight game to Michigan at home. You still got like, we might be ranked at that point going into Illinois. And we could fucking lose again to Illinois to where it's like, okay, reset expectations. Western, put your purge masks on and dry hump those boys. We're taking that one for all they got. You go into Purdue at Nebraska. We're going to beat Purdue.

So right there, what are we? Six and two. Six and two at Michigan State. Michigan State could be a tough team. By then, who knows? I'm going to say, I'm going to say we beat Michigan State. That's when I'm kind of going back and forth because I look at the rest of the schedule. Well, people got to understand when we're talking about drinking the roulette and look at this promising.

We got a promising schedule we can win. We got a winnable schedule. We got to win the first two. All that matters this week, first two games, obviously you can't see past what you got in front of you. What you got in front of your faces. But those first two weeks matter the fucking most because we start off four and oh like we're going to beat Michigan State. Maryland at Nebraska. Maryland sucks.

Nebraska's going to win that one. Nebraska at Wisconsin. I'll go ahead. I'll go ahead, lay the sword down on that one. Wisconsin's a tough team. They've always haunted my nightmares. There's no leg for me to stand on when talking ill of Wisconsin.

Nothing but respect for that program and the billion yards they've rushed on us in the years past. Yeah, that's always tough to relive. Iowa and Nebraska, the battle for the border, I think we finally get up on Iowa. And when I say finally get up, we beat their ass last year.

We beat them. We were a whip dog going into the end of the year, nothing to play for, and we still turn around to whip this team. And we're going to control the border again for two games in a row, two years in the row, George Kittle and the boys are going to have to bend the knee to Willie C and the Huskers.

That, we just went what? Eight and three. That's not out of the question. Is that out of the question? And where do you guys think I could be wrong on that schedule? I mean, it depends where Michigan State is. But also, the fact that you guys are seven and a half point underdogs Thursday, a bit worrisome. But Jeff Sims, your quarterback, is a dog.

I've heard good things about him. He is an athlete. He's transferred from Georgia Tech. He's an athlete. He's a cat you want to get off the bus first. For sure. You know what I mean? You know, if I think I'm wrong anywhere, you look at the, you look at this week against Minnesota and you look at Michigan State.

Those are going to be dog fights, right? Like, but that's, that's the beauty of the game. And that's why I'm still going to swing the sword for the boys in red and white. What is it, red and scarlet? Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, Colorado's going to get, Colorado's going to get drug a couple weeks in a row.

Yeah. Gary was just saying Colorado starts off with TCU, and TCU's a, uh, juggernaut. But I do. I think the battle on the Big Ten this year is going to come down in the Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State's got a good squad. And you cannot

sleep on them athletes they got at Ohio State. I mean, Marvin Harrison, Jr. Everything that's come out of him, he's like the best wide receiver since, what, Calvin Johnson? The biggest question is going to be Ohio State's quarterback. Throw it fucking deep.

Just throw it up to Marvin. I mean, you got Marvin, you got a mecha, Buka, Julian Fleming and probably some other freshman that's a dog. Yeah, it's one of those things too. Like, I don't know how the others are, but Marvin Harrison being as fast he is,

it's kind of like that Deshawn Jackson's like, when we be on Washington and practicing and they're throwing deep to Deshawn, it's like you almost underthrow them. It's like you can't throw it far enough. Like they're going to go get the motherfucker. Just bombs over Baghdad, dude. Throw it up and pray.

Yeah. But that'll be, it'll be a fun year. I'm stoked that football is back. Like, you can just feel the excitement. College football, like, it's like pro football, the NFL, fantasy football. Everybody's like getting dialed in for, you know, their picks. And it feels more transactional in the NFL. Everybody's excited.

Everybody loves the NFL. But in college, you just feel the purity of the game a lot more. Like just that spirit that everybody has fighting for their squads. Is Tennessee going to be a player again this year? I fucking hope so, man. Do you think so? Yeah, oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, Highball is the best coach we've had in a decade.

So I'm really excited to see this squad. We got Virginia in Nashville this week, home opener. Shout out Chris Long. He's my enemy for 60 minutes on Saturday. But I think we're going to come out and beat the shit out of them. They're going to be here. Yeah, in Nashville at Nissan Stadium. I'm saying Green LightPod, Chris.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Dr. Fax hit me up. He was like, we need to all link up. And I was like, I'm putting it on the school. I think Tennessee, it's got to be, it's got to be fun to be a Tennessee vall right now, just because you just got the feeling of being back. You know what I mean? There were a lot.

There were a few years where it was, in a way, almost embarrassing to be a Tennessee fan. It just wasn't fun. It was a job more than a vacation. And we're starting to feel good about it. I think the East is still going to be pretty tough, Georgia's always going to be good. But if we can sneak one past Georgia, I think we have a really positive season in our future.

So we'll see. Did you say who you got winning the Big Ten? I hate to comment on that because I won Nebraska. Let's take Nebraska out of it. Anyone else? You know, I think it'll be Ohio State or Penn State. And I know that's a show. I, it's like, you hate to say that

because, you know, the boy's gonna feel like that's just a shot at Michigan. It's not a shot at Michigan. I just think that they've tasted, they've tasted the last couple years, and they just, they're just not that ball club. As far as that elite enchilat level,

that's wild again, that's wild to say, I need to temper that back. Like, they're a great football team. They're just not, I think Ohio State and Penn State are going to be the teams to beat in the Big Ten this year. When we were there to that Michigan,

in golf trip, they seemed like they had some shit to them. They should. They've been to the college ball playoff the last two years. They should have a lot of excitement. But what I'm saying is like they are, they're feeling that. They're feeling that we're superior to Ohio State. And I think they've gotten a couple games on them. And here's where I think it gets, it's leveled out.

And also I think people aren't talking about Penn State. I think people are talking about Penn State, but not in such a way that they're willing to say that Michigan and Ohio State are below them, I guess. And I think Michigan, Penn State will be good. I think Michigan's in that situation of anything that goes wrong is going to weigh more because of the two previous years. Because it's almost now they're at the point where it is expected. So if you do have a shitty game against, you know.

Nebraska. Nebraska. Or I don't know what their schedule looks like, but every play is going to feel more intense. Yeah. It's just they're in that situation now. that sucks for them, but I think they're good enough, but it will come down to just composure and whatever. Yeah.

Also, well said. Have you heard of what? I just don't know if they're that club. Have you heard what Harbaal's doing the first four games for coaches? No. Who's going to be the interim? I don't quote me on this, but I think I heard that for the first game,

whoever it is is going to coach the first half, and then someone else is going to coach the second half. And then for the second game, it's going to be the same thing, but two different people. That sounds chaotic. It does sound chaotic. But it could be a play, too, to get some of these coaches who might be in situations for a better job. He's given them exposure. Right.

Whether or not, however, the operation flows, because maybe the operation will be the same, but just a different face in that title so that way they can use it or getting a better job. That's just me trying to play like, yeah, why would they do that? that could be like a the positive spin on hey let's get some of these guys more exposure right because anytime a head coach is like stepping down they want that guy who should be a head coach next

or somewhere else they try and throw us like you know it's like when vrabs goes down and the assistant head coach is like awkwardman yeah and all you know runs the show or is the face that stands there um that would be my guess outside of that's an awful that's a wild thing to do but i don't think they'll like The game plan won't change. The game plan wise, it won't change.

I think the same people are still going to be calling the plays. Yeah. It's just given the exposure to those guys who could be put themselves in a spot to elevate the next off season, which is honestly, that is cool. Do you have any predictions for the SEC? Prediction for the SEC. Can you bring up? So Vanderbilt at the top, 1 and 0 sitting 1 in 0. You know, out of the east, out of the east, it's going to be.

be out of Georgia and Tennessee. There's two on each side. Yeah. The SEC East is going to be Georgia and Tennessee, and I think, I don't want to give them this, but I think South Carolina could be on the outside looking in in a couple situations throughout the season.

Like, this is a pivotal game for the season. I think South Carolina can be in those spots. They got a big home opening this weekend versus North Carolina. Not saying that North Carolina is going to be some, like, tough juggernaut, but that's a huge rivalry. Yeah. You never know. Yeah, I was going to say.

Drake May. Yeah, and they're a high-powered offense. It's going to make it rain with a Heisman candidate. Yeah, and what's the name, Juice? Juice Wells. He's nasty. He is nasty. He's cool, too.

Rattler's last year. You just hope that, I don't know, you do get a good vibe from that staff and when we were out there at South Carolina. So I'm kind of got that bias of rooting for him. But the SEC West, I think it is, I mean, it's clearly L. out of LSU and Bama. I don't think anybody really has an outside chance of competing with those two at all. And I don't know the schedules of Bama and LSU right now,

but do they play the big dogs of the east during the season? That would be the only way that they get in any type of dilemmas if they lose those tough games. But it's not going to be because of who's in their division. I think Well, as crazy is Yeah, LSU will be tough And I do, I think who comes out of it is going to be

Yeah LSU and Georgia Who I'll say is in the championship LSU Georgia I know But again, LSU, yeah It's tough SEC's a fucking toss up, man, you got some

dogs in there Hey, listen. LSU made it to the SEC championship with three losses last year. And one of those being to Tennessee by like 100. So think about that. Like you can have three losses on the West or East and maybe get in if you beat just the other person. At the right time.

Yeah, at the right time of the year. Because that's where a lot of that SEC bias comes in too with making it in the college football playoff. Now I'm just going to start projecting. Yeah, that's okay. We got weeks for that. I know, I know. We got weeks for that.

So, yeah, I guess I think it'll be out of LSU and Georgia. You think it'll be two and two, two big ten teams, two SEC teams in the playoffs? I don't know because I think USC has a chance to be that team in the Pac-12. They don't drop any games that they shouldn't drop. I know they do. I know they always choke. But it's still set up for them to get in there. They have the easiest path out of all these conferences.

and teams, you know what I mean? So if they make it, it's two SEC teams, one big 10 team in USC? I don't know, man. I don't know. Again, it all depends on where their records are at the end of year. This is the last year of four, and the next year it goes to 12?

Fuck, that's going to be sick. Because I think you're going to get, it was kind of similar with the Big Ten last year. You're going to get a one loss, two loss, two big ten teams over a three loss outside. team to get in before they come over to that conference. Yeah, so I mean, I feel like USC is going to be trying to, hey, yeah, you can't sleep on like, you can't sleep on the Big 12.

We're really sleeping on the Big 12 right now. But I mean, you had TCU last year, but they, we saw, we all saw what happened in the national championship. Yeah, but man, if Texas puts it together, like, they're a team who can. I mean, they got Quinn. Who can roll. Yeah, they're a team who can roll. Quinn Ewers, Arch Manning.

Yeah, you got a lot happening with Texas to where they're, you know, they're probably getting bigger as far as physically. Like, you compete with those juggernauts in the SEC. It'll be fun, man. See, I think Texas will come out of the Big 12, USC and the Pac-12. Oregon does have Bonnix for his like six years. Nebraska's going to come out of the Big Ten.

And Georgia's going to come out of the Big Ten. going to come out of the SEC. I know. What am I? You know what it is? I haven't done enough. I haven't got into it enough with the SEC. Because honestly, I want to say Tennessee.

Like, that's who I would want to. Tennessee? Bazooka Joe, baby. Do not sleep on Bazooka Joe. He's dialed in. He's gotten a lot better over the last three years. A lot better. I think it's going to be hard to beat Georgia.

It is. That's why I'm in. Dad, and we have to go to Tuscaloosa this year and play Alabama, which is going to be a really tough road game. USC, Texas, Nebraska, Georgia. Yeah, because we played at LSU last year. So? Yeah, do we want to do an ad?

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So get your annual plan today, terms and conditions to apply. Stream the NFL on CBS Live on Paramount Plus. Let's get into our shoutout, no free shoutout. Let's get this thing rolling because I didn't even, I haven't even let the people know. Like Josh McDaniels, he sat down with the boys, the head coach for the Silver and Black, the Las Vegas Raiders. We had a really fun interview, a good 30, 35 minute interview, sit down with him,

an awesome story about Coach Vrable, him back in the day when he was kind of running, being like a GA in that GA spot, running cards and how Vrable would handle himself at practice. But a really cool interview, I think Raider fans are really going to like hearing from because he definitely has this persona out there that we'll get into. But before we do, let's do some shout-out, no-free shout-out. Mitch, if you don't mind, brother, kick us off. Yeah, I'll start off. My shoutout, Nerfrey shoutout this week stems from last week we went to the Barstool Awards.

Everybody had to be dressed to the nines. So where my shoutout comes in is when we were walking to the venue where it was at, and you hear that dress shoe like click. Like you guys are just walking and you hear, like you hear, like you're wearing different shoes. You're wearing sneakers. Like you can hear your shoes. Fresh shoes. Yeah.

That sound when you're just walking with your boys and like just dressed up to the tent, like to the nines and just feeling good, looking good. Like we were just walking. I'm like, this is like kind of dope. Like we look, we look good. We feel good. And we're about to go play good. So it's like.

So my shout out is wearing dress shoes and that sound that they make when you're with your boys. Do you have a photo yourself from that night? I do not. Damn, I would love for you to throw that in there because it's. I have a, I wore it the same outfit. to a wedding so I could like throw that in there with your clip. All right. I'm out.

Yeah, I got you. When you're dressed to the nines and he's got the, he's just got a collared shirt on. I feel what you're saying, though. That is, it is a vibe. You almost don't know how to, you almost don't know how to carry yourself. You're like, yo, low key. Like, we're a beast right now, but you can't act like a beast, right? Yeah, boys clean up nice.

Jack, what do you got? What did I do? Oh, yeah. Mine is a pretty simple one in life, but my shout-out, no free shout-out goes to when you are low on gas, you roll up to the gas station, put the card in,

and you know, like, the three premeditated clicks you do on the gas nozzle, trying to get the gas to come out, and then it finally clicks, and you fill that weight of the gas coming on. Does anyone like, you know what I'm talking about?

It's that weight pull. It's like, guy, we're finally fucking here. And he's, you feel it just fucking streamlining into the tank. He, you run in the store, you grab yourself a water or something. You chill on your phone, whatever. But yeah, it's that subtle little weight that you feel on the handle just grab. You're like, all right, no more work.

We're just letting it do its thing. So that's my shout out this week. Okay. Okay, man. It could also be like a horrible feeling because of how much money is about to go in. just like click like no but my shout out and a free shout out is going to go to has to do with this time of year football is back but it's when you open your said app where you check your scores and all that stuff and you hit score and you have your favorite teams

and then when you see your college and NFL team finally on the same screen together it's just that feeling of holy shit football's back like there's that logo again for the next however many weeks it is, 18 weeks. Six months, man. It's an incredible feeling. Like, yeah, Alabama plays MTSU. Sorry to the Blue Raiders, but I saw that A pop up,

and it just gives you juice. Hopefully this week's the fastest week of all time. Yeah, dude, it is like, and then, you know, your TV asks you, like who are your favorite teams that you want to gear up for? You're like, I thought I picked you guys already, but I'm excited to do this again.

But it had, like, the best, teams on it. And then they didn't have like Nebraska on there. And I'm thinking, all right. Yeah. Just pick the conference big 10. Hell yeah. My shout out, no free shout it is going to go to, you know, it's the conversation we have right before the project. It's like when you know that the external world and Monday is trying to do everything it can to kill your vibe and hurt your attitude and give you a bad start to the week, just a second you lapse. You lapse and give in and fucking say something like, oh, these motherfuckers. That type of like, clench. But in that moment you also grab yourself and you know,

yo, it's Monday. And I woke up with some good juice, some good energy, and nobody's going to bring my shit down. And you, you fortify mentally and you push through knowing that you're going to crush the fucking week no matter what roadblock comes your way. Now Tuesday hasn't happened yet. Neither has Wednesday. But Monday, you got to set the tone. and when you defeat the enemy on Monday, you can defeat the enemy the rest of the week. And that's my shout-out, no-free shout-out.

Hell, yeah. Almost as good as the gas on. Yeah. The flow of gas. I'll tell you what, you gave me a pet peeve. Let's get into our pet peeves. Let's do it. You want to...

I'll go ahead and kick off the pet peeve of the week. My pet peeve of the week is when you do get that gas flowing and you set it on that little... You set it. on that little click or whatever it is, and you walk away and right when you're about to get in your vehicle, and mind you, your boy's in a nice Chevy Soperato, and I'm climbing up in that truck and you just here,

click, like it just loses it. And you're thinking, what the fuck is going on? And then you set it on the lower one. It's like, okay, I'll take a little bit more time. Yeah, I'll scroll the apps a little bit more. Maybe I'll find something better I want to listen to and just vibe or say. Maybe I'll call that friend that I need to call back right now. And so you got to set it on the lower one.

But then you start hearing it click again. And sometimes I think to myself, this gas the gas pumps didn't used to have this problem and for whatever reason they're having them now but my pet peeve be back to the pet peeve of the week is when you set that thing up what do you call that god damn it yeah when you set that click and it locks and it's just flowing and you walk away and right as you're about to get in your truck and you just hear that click and you got to stop ass crack sitting on the outside part of your seat and you got to slide back off just to turn around and go set that thing back up again. And you hold it just to see what's going on.

And then it clicks in your hand. You're thinking, all right, now I've got to set this thing at the low end and write it out. But anyway, that's my pet peeve. That's my pet peeve. Love that. Who wants to go next? Gee, Mitch, Jack. Anybody keep this vibe going?

Vibe of complaining? My pet peeve of the week is it's something simple and it's super easy to get around. but when someone sends you a text message of an address and it's not hyperlinked with the line underneath it. What are we doing? I don't know why it happens that way. I don't know if it's from, you know, like an Android to iPhone thing. I don't know why it happens.

But why is it happening? Like, we got to figure that out. Every time you send an address, it just should have the link to it. I'm with you. I agree. I agree. Because then you got a copy, paste. Like, come on.

Yeah, it's a good pet beef. I got a lot of shit going on. Save me a little bit of time. You got a copy base in your own chat box. Delete the rest. Yeah. Yeah. So that's my pet peeve.

Yeah. Apple. I also feel like this when parents do, but when someone sends you a screenshot of an address, it's like, hey, it is actually easier to just link this. Yeah. Jack's like, God damn it, dad.

I'll get next. My pet peeve of the week is people who are shitty to service workers, specifically like restaurant employees. People who think of there above like the law and just because they're paying for like a $20 entree at a fucking Chili's that they can yell at some poor and it's a woman who's just like trying to make enough money to send your kid to daycare. It's like, be better. Like it's not like the end of the world of someone like forgets your ranch or they mess up

in order. And there maybe is a time or two in your life when service is so bad that it warrants. some kind of response and I get that but I feel like at all costs it is like always better to just be understanding and like not like be like what are they going through maybe they're having a bad day maybe something's going on in their world but like they're doing their best and the service industry if you've ever been a bartender or a server or a cook it is a brutal industry to work in So it like fucking grinds my gears when people take the smallest things at a restaurant and take that as an opportunity to go in on some poor whatever, man, woman, child. And I just fucking hate that.

It's an immediate like red flag to me where I'm like, okay, you clearly are not the person I thought you were. And it immediately lowers my standards for them like almost forever. So if you're ever eating out with me and you're shitty to a service worker, I'm going to a, think badly of you probably for the rest of my life. But yeah, let's just treat our service workers better. What happened over the weekend? And that was just in my phone. It actually happened.

That happened this summer. And I'm not going to mention the guy because one of my really good friends. But he was kind of drunk. And unfortunately, the waitress, it took 30 minutes to get our drinks at first. And then it took another like 15 to get a server back to take our order. and then he like went off on her and like one of our friends who's not very vocal snapped on him.

And I was like, that's what I'm talking about. And then it kind of was all resolved. The lady, she hopped to it. Our food came out super fast. So yeah, this wasn't something that just happened this weekend, but it's something that I will stand by very heavily. We have to treat our service workers better.

They're not paid like incredibly well. And at the end of the day, it's like, dude, it's just another meal. going to get it. So, yeah. I mean, that's a good one. That's a good one. I'm glad, like, you were able to vocalize that. It felt like it's something that's been in the basement for a minute now. It was. Yeah. My peep of the week is, it comes down to situational awareness, essentially. If you walk into the bathroom and it's wide open, like, nobody's at the urinals, nobody's in the stall, and you decide to go into the stall to pee, and then somebody else comes in behind,

behind you and like they have to poop but you're in there peeing in the stall when the urinals are wide open like what are you doing the the stall unless the bathroom is packed is meant for pooping and when so when i like it happened like a week a week or two ago all the stalls were taken but no none of the urinals it's most of the time it's just like two urinals and a stall. So like it's you walk in, somebody's in the stall, there's nobody in the urinals and you can just hear them peeing. And it's like, bro, I have to poop. Like use the urinal if you just got to pee. Like just have that awareness. Like, hey, somebody might have to come in and poop after me or poop while like I'm in here. So like use the urinal. It, like, and you're just

sitting there waiting and like somebody will walk in and be like, oh, like, I'm like, not I'm waiting for this because some assholes in here peeing when it should be used for pooping. So my pet peeve is when... People pee in stalls. People pee in stalls when there's open urinals. Listen, I was trying to navigate through that a little bit, but I'll get on board with you. If you're not going into the stall to sit and pee, you shouldn't be in there, right? But I'm saying, he's saying that they're standing.

If somebody sits in peas, like, you know, at least you're sitting and peeing, right? At least it kind of looks like you're pooping. Right. But if you're, it's like who is anybody to say that? Because anytime you poop, you're probably pooping MP. Yeah. But like if you're just strictly going into the urinal or to be in the, in a stall, that grind your gears.

Yeah, that. Stop doing that. If everybody out there, do not fucking do that, especially when you know Mitch is in the building. Because I got it like, you got to go. You got to go. You got to take it down. Yeah. So that's my pet peeve.

I can get on board with that, brother. Yeah. So if you guys are watching right now, I'll go ahead and drop comments. comments, pet peeves. What else do we have here? Do we want to get into Dude Wipe's Shittiest Moment? Tier Talk.

Twisted question. Do we have a twisted question? We get into the interview. Should we hit some twisted question? In the theme... No, we got to hit that. What else are we going to fuck? The twisted question.

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You're doing it wrong. You are doing it wrong this football season if you don't have a twisted tea in your hand. Grab a refreshing twisted tea today. They're essentially everywhere. But this twisted question comes to us. I want to say Garrett was brainstorming this boy. And it's essentially, would you rather go to the college football, would you rather your team go to the college football playoff four years in a row

or win one national championship? Now, are we saying go to the national championship four years in a row in a row and lose? Or you win one national title. And your, let's just say, you don't sniff the top 10 the other three years. All right, so would you rather go to the college, would you rather go to the national championship four years in a row and lose or win one national championship and not sniff the top 10 the other three years? You mean to start? Go ahead, yeah.

Do you want me to speak from experience? I'd rather take the one. Yeah, man, we got crimson tied. I'd rather take the one just because for that one year you can talk endless shit. you know, it's like you're one time to kind of just be like, you can't say shit to me. The other years. And you got it forever, I guess. Yeah, you got it forever.

But if you have the other, if you're going and losing the other years, you have like, shut the fuck up. So I would pick one. What about as a player? As a player, one. Mitch, what about you? There is something kind of to be said about the consistency of making it back four years in a row. But then you always have that you guys choked or, yeah, but, like, it's, and to be, like, to keep that and, like, to wear that for, like, essentially the rest of your life, it, it's something

that's super, super tough, but also if you win just won, they could say it was like a fluke. So, like, I think I would have to go the national championship four years because for four year consecutive years you were the second best team in the in the country yeah second best sucks but it's like maybe you win maybe you lose one of those games by like a field goal maybe you lose like some weird play but to be able to go back four days four years in a row i think there's something to be said about it so you're on the you're on the boat with four years in a row i think so yeah jack this is the answer ever. You win one national championship. Who gives a fuck

if your second place four years in a row? Like, just like what Mitch was saying, you're just you're not even a good team at that point, you're just good at choking. You're, like, you're just Michigan. That's all you are. You're making it there, but you're not...

Whoa, whoa! Whoa! You're making it the title game? No, but our original thing was college football playoff, and Michigan is two more years away from being this exact example because they are making it two years in a row and then choking horrendously. So would you rather have one ring or have four years of stories of how you almost were a champion? It just seems so easy in my opinion.

The only thing I can think of to argue for the four years is that if you're making it to the natty every year, you are most likely beating all of your rivals. And that to me is something to stand on. but at the end of the day, if my rival has made it to the national championship four years in a row and lost, I don't give a fuck if you beat me, you lost too.

Like, we're all losers. There's only one winner at the end of the day. That suspends on you always have to put yourself in. True. But I still would want to have one ring in three average years than to go to the college football championship four years and then be just like emotionally damaged goods for the rest of my life

because you were that... Imagine being a senior, like, in the locker room, getting the hype speech and be like, we've been here three times already. Yeah, we haven't done it, but this is the year. And then you walk back in as a senior, like, well, we didn't do it again. And then you go to the NFL as a college kid

and all the scouts are like, man, he's a great quarterback. He can do this and that. But he cannot close when the moment counts. So your draft stock's already dropping. You win that. Natty as a senior. Well, if there are three average years, they battled through, you know, green grind.

They made it through there. What if you win your freshman year? Like, what if you win? That's true. This is where we get into like a hairy, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because low key. Yeah, if you win as a freshman and then go average three years,

you might as well just not even try for the pros, I guess. I don't know. But I still stand on. I would love to have one Natty because in 20 years when like no one gives a fuck about you anymore and it's like your grandsons are the one like throwing out 12-leg parles on the college football championship, you can still have that ring on your fist

or you can have four war stories about how you got a silver medal every year in your college career. Or you're wearing four conference championship rings on your hand. True, yeah, that is. That is true. You bring a, you, you pull from very good points. It's hard. I low-key was in the boat of the four years in a row, but the way you just spoke right there

almost, I mean, you might just want to win one because you are, you're like, you're cemented in history forever. Yeah, one 90s. However, in the moment, as a player, if you, because look, at the end of the day, if I say four years, like I haven't, I've never won a big championship, I've never won a big championship, never won state, never won, you know, obviously not a national championship,

not a conference championship in Nebraska. In the NFL, we just want to, you know, a handful of division titles, but nothing of substance in the playoffs. So I don't know what that sweet nectar tastes like. I know what it's like to be defeated, and it is like when you feel like you fall short of expectation, which ultimately every other team feels that way at the end of the year if you lose the big one, right? If you lose the Super Bowl, you work so hard to get there only to lose, it's probably the worst pain that you can have.

And you don't want to feel that. You'd rather just win once and then maybe, you know, maybe be average. the other three years, but also think if you're a player and you're winning those three years, yeah, you do lose. And when you're talking on a high level of like being number two and choking, but those moments of beating your rivals every year, winning your conference championship every year, like being the standard year in and year out around the town, around the city, and the expectation obviously is so massive to where it is, like, oh, this choke job of a team just couldn't get over the hump. It's like the bills in the early 90s of the NFL. It went to like

three Super Bowls and lost them all, right? which they still had a documentary about it. So you would still probably get an untold story about that time, that generation of going four times and losing four natties in a row. But in those moments with the boys, all four years of being at the top, just not quite getting there. I just feel like in that moment in year three and four,

the people who support you the most are the people who are going to be affected by it. like, you're beating your rivals is awesome, but if you've been with this team and you're on year four and you've lost the Natty three years in a row, you're like, yeah, we're doing great, we're beating whoever, but we're going to lose in the Natty. And it's like, then you're just, your left side every year. And to me, it almost is like a Joe Burrough situation.

Like, I know he wasn't LSU. He came from OSU, but he won that one Natty and is cemented as like now one of LSU's great. greatest ever. Yeah, I mean, that's one season. That's what I'm saying, though. And, like, now he's, like, LSU royalty for one year. If he, if, let's say it.

It's something you can always, like, get with the boys and talk about. Like, we fucking. That we, we put together a hard-nosed football team. Hey, man, if we just, if we could have done something the other thing, it's like, no one gives a fuck about that anymore. That stuff's forgotten. But we got that one. You're right.

I think I got to go one national title. You swayed me. You swayed me. And thank you for that. Thank you for that. What if, like we said, you win it your freshman or sophomore year? And then your junior senior season is just like, yeah, you had that taste of victory. So what I was also going to say is, so I had two answers.

As a fan, I think I want to win it one time no matter what, because you have the bragging rights. And then forever you can pull from that year, right? It's like you get to pull from that one year in all of your spin zones that you have to create. but talking strictly as a player is where Jack swayed me because I was kind of like, man, you go four years in a row, you're playing with arguably the best team in the nation four years in a row as a college athlete

and you're part of arguably the best defense of that generation. I know in my instance, like, you're on the bigger and better things. But in that moment of having that one championship, and now to your point, if you do it and you don't really put a whole lot into the, if you're not out there on the field, pouring into that national championship,

you're going to be one of those guys trying to hold that standard. Ultimately, no matter what you end up sad. But at least you get to be a guy that goes out still going to the Natty every year because you are holding that standard. Man, you're right. Like, it's just every situation you can put,

you put yourself in a different chair, and I feel like the answer can be the same in a lot of scenarios. Because if you win your freshman year and you're on the sideline, throwing the towel, but you're a player, it's like, yeah, you get to claim the national title, but you're almost claiming it more as like

with your boys that aren't on the team as a fan and talking about the people you don't know versus when you're sitting in around the table with the guys and the players you almost just shy away from being in the conversation because you know you didn't do anything. You didn't do anything. Yeah.

Interesting. Hey, this is a good little question, Jim. I got a little question with that. It might be too early for this answer, but would you rather hoist the old crystal football or the new national championship trophy. Yeah, crystal ball would be awesome.

I think that one's just iconic. And that's why I think it might be too early with this one. Yeah, they just haven't gone. But when you think back at the coach or player lifting it up and all the cameras going off and reflecting off of it, like some of those are the most badass, like memorable things. That's how you know how good BAM is because I'm just picturing saving hoisting the crystal ball.

Yeah. Yeah, Bama. At LSU though, too. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. But I think that Crystal Ball trophy was, is the one. Yeah. What is it? There you go, G.

Yeah, like that, too. Oh, college football's sick. College football is so back, man. Oh, shit. Should we get into, should we do our tier talk? Tier talk or shittiest moment? Let's do tear talk. We interrupt this episode.

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You got to hold the bottle of Whistlepig whiskey. Is there a name we can call it outside of talking stick? Talking bottle. Talking bottle. That's big head's big head thinking right there, Mitch. So when you're talking and you're holding the talking bottle, yeah, working title, then it's your time to talk. But let's get into our tier talk. Our tier talk this week is going to be best things going back to school.

Best things going back to school. High school. I'm thinking high school days. Best things going back to school in general. Is it high school? Is it college? Should we say high school? Should we say college?

Is our demo, though, high schoolers? I know everyone has that. Everybody's got that nostalgia. Right. I think you'd... It was different. It was different. Whatever.

I mean, in football, it's always, like, pretty straightforward when you're going into your first week of school in college. Yeah, but mine's, like, a bit different because you were probably at Nebraska all summer. Yeah. I wasn't. Either way, I... Yeah. There you go. Back to school.

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All right. My tier three, going back to school, is just getting back in that, getting back in like a solid routine. I guess it can kind of go both high school or college. But like you have that, like, I'm a like a schedule. person. Like you have that schedule, you know where you're supposed to be at what times for how long, and what you're supposed to be doing after that and like so on and so forth. So having, having that schedule and that routine is big for me. My tier two, this is going to be more college related. But when you go back and you move in to like your apartment or your dorm or wherever you're at

with your roommates and like the four of you were just or however many of you are just back together it's like that camaraderie and the hype of like the first week and that first weekend out is just unmatched because you're just you're back with the boys who knows how long it's been since you've seen them last and you just get to like you're just back and it's like we're here to run this thing and do it again uh and then my tier one kind of obvious once once you're back for school football's back. And if you're playing football, that first Friday night game, Saturday game, that entire week, you were just laser focused in the meetings, in your workouts, in your practice, you're just like,

oh, this first team is fucked. Like, I am so locked in right now. You couldn't, like, nothing's going to take me off of this. And for us, our first game was a rivalry game. It was called Battle for the Stag. hat. And it's like, so you win a trophy every time we've beat, we played Lycoming. We beat them 15 years in a row. So it's not much of a robbery game. Settle flex. But that first game, it's like, you know it's hype. You know it's going to be crazy. Everybody from the school is going to be

there, especially in high school Friday night of the game. Stams is going to be packed. You have that expectation of the year. Tier one, football being back and playing in that first game. Brought you by whispering. Yeah, Jack, make sure to hold it. Okay. It's probably more important if I'm just holding it, I guess. But if you're going to share your tear talk, make sure you're holding it so that way they can... Yeah, I can go.

You're doing one. Words. So, uh, recap on a recap again. What was your three? I got lost in the eye. I got lost in your eyes when you started talking Friday, Friday football, because that was, that's my, yeah. Uh, three was getting in a routine.

Two was being back in, like, your apartment. or dorm with the boys and then won football. Those are good. My tier talk for back to school, best things about going back to school. Honorable mention is going to be figuring out which of your boys are in your new classes. You show up on that first day, usually a half day,

and you're pretty excited to be there. Walk into a class, all of a sudden you see one of your guys, just like, okay, it's about to go down this semester, this whole year, whatever may be. So that's always fun. Especially because I hated school. So like the first week of school was like, okay, I don't have to actually do much,

but I get to enjoy being here. And then you get depressed. You're like, fuck, hey, it's cool. Dear three, back to school fits. I love showing off a new pair of sneakers or a new sweatshirt or maybe my senior year, we had a thing where we all got like children's backpack basically like Power Rangers and Ninja Turtles.

We all kind of had like our own little thing. It's kind of like a tradition at our high school. So like that was fun to kind of show up and show off. You have like absolutely nothing in the backpack. You might have a football or like one pencil and like a crumpled up piece of paper. But it's all about the backpack. So yeah, just back to school fits in general. My tier two is girls.

Is seeing those girls who maybe blossomed over the summer or one that you remember from the fall or from September and I said we're the spring and coming back and being like yeah I mean time is really doing you a favor right now like you're looking good maybe we have Spanish together maybe we have a class

or two together and that's nice and my tier one obviously it's the boys it's being back with all the fellows but specifically in high school it's like that first few weeks in lunch when because for us

at Brentwood, there were four separate lunch periods. There would be like 35 minutes each. So you didn't know if you were in a specific lunch with certain people. And then you find out day one, like, who's going to be your lunch crew? So that's always nice to kind of like establish the order, the hierarchy. Like, are you like going to be getting dogged at lunch this year? Are you going to be the dog? So I always love being back with the fellas back at lunch, you know, kind of stirring up some troubles.

So that is my tier talk. The lunch one's a good one. That lunch one is nice. I didn't think about that. My tier talk for going back to school, I think the honorable mention is going to be that first year you're going back to school and you have your driver's license in high school.

Something about that. Like you just feel it's probably like junior year for some people, maybe sophomore year, but when you can roll into the parking lot by yourself for the first time, I think that's a hype feeling. My tier three is going to be, you've spent the whole summer and even the year prior figuring out who your new roommates are going to be. And when you get moved in,

like Mitch was saying that first week is unmatched, back with your roommates. It's just, it's unmatched. Tier two, I'm going to agree on the seeing who's in your class, like seeing your dogs. But then also seeing like what girls you have in your class and knowing if you got like a legit chill teacher or not.

You know, no matter what grade it is, high school or college, like you know day one if it's going to be hell or not. So that's tier two. Tier one is that first hangover. college. I think kind of tying it in with three, but going out, you feel invincible. And then you wake up and you're probably going right back at it on that Saturday or whatever it is. So I think

that that first one is that first party. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. It's my word. That's my word. We did forget to do words. You want to pass that one out? Boys, those were, those are good tier talks. Nope. My tier talk, honorable mention, is going to be getting the teachers you want. Whether it's the spring before

or leading up to it, and you're trying to select those teachers and the vets ahead of you know, they've let you in on some background, like, hey, so-and-so's tough, so-and-so's easy, so-and-so's cool. Like, you want to be in those classes where you might get a little bit more leeway, you know what I mean?

Or, like, to Garrett's point, how tight is it going to be in here? Like, are we going to be surviving? That's going to be my honorable mention. I really wanted to say that lunch table one because that lunch table one is all time. My tier three is going to be how you were saying when you get your license and that first time going back. My tier three is going to be, I don't know how you guys did it, but we got to, you know, you get to select your parking spot, like first come first serve type of mentality. So when you're older, the seniors going in the senior year would camp at the, the school for that first day you could sign up because you're trying to get that first row.

So it was like a cool thing in North County that would take place and happen. I just remember that year, like you have your license, you're getting your, Chuck, he just got this GTO, and he would bang fucking like Mike Jones. And those were just the days, man. But getting your parking spot when you have your license. anything else and preparing the summer, like preparing how you're going to go about it with the boys. My tier two is going to be getting in the classrooms with your boys, like with your friends. Like you just know it's going to be up all semester.

And if you get in those classes, the best is when you get in those classes and again, like fourth period, knowing that fourth period is going to go into lunch. So you're running from your class with your boys to the lunchroom. You just know like, yeah, running, bro. Yeah, we would run. But getting in classes with your boys And my tier one, there's nothing like Friday night lights, dude. The first week of Friday night lights, you're like,

my hands are sweating, thinking about it. Like the upper class, man, that's, you know, that's, whether it's pressure or tension or like, hey, you know, you can't wait, you're just getting out there for the first time or when you're being a senior, you're telling a young guy, you're trying to tell the guys like, this is fucking it. This is the year. We're going to remember this forever.

Fresh off watching Friday night lights or something like that. Might have a girl wearing your jersey down the home. Might have a girl wearing your jersey, your Letterman's jacket, just all of it, the spirit of Friday night lights in the air. The band is like playing in my head right now. And you just feel like we're about to just transition into some high school football scene at any moment from busing with the boys. But it's Friday night lights.

That's my tier one. And that concludes my whistle big whiskey, your talk. We bow our heads and pray to the football gods. Now, all right, we're going to kick off to the, we're going to kick off to the Josh McDaniel, Coach McDaniel's interview here shortly. This was a fun conversation. We got to sit down with him.

You know, he's got the, it's almost like he's angled as this uptight coach and everything else, the way he handles this business from being a Patriots, head, are being a Patriots guy and everything else. And low-key, I was nervous going into interview him because I just didn't know how it would be. I didn't know what kind of questions we could get, how deep we could get into questions. Because you wanted to ask about the Raiders, you wanted to ask about, we got to ask about him becoming the Colts head coach a few years ago and then backing out what he's learned

since being the head coach of the Broncos. We got, again, I mentioned the coach for able, the fun stories with Coach Rable. He talks very highly from. moment and I really tried stopping him. He really talked highly about Max Crosby and how how well positioned their roster is going into the season because they are going to win the AFC West. What else do we hit on with him? You ask him what it's like cutting people. Yeah, cutting people. What it's like cutting people, how hard that that is now, or how hard that is being a head coach, what it's like having Randy Moss is a cheat code. We got to get in some good

Patriot stories. I got to ask him about like a movie scene, like how he had motivated. Bates guys and shit like that. But I was nervous because I'm texting, I'm like texting with my boys who are on the team. And I'm like, hey, what are some things I can get in with Coach McDaniels about to get the guard down? And they basically just said, man, I don't know. We had a shitty day at practice today.

So it could be tough. And that just like kind of heightened the nerves. But man, he was awesome. Like he was cutting it up with the boys. He was telling stories. Like we had a lot of fun. I think you guys are going to enjoy this. But yeah, we got to get into, we got to get into cutting guys and what that's like

as a head coach cutting guys, which can lead into, we can. talk about our shittiest moment in light of the preseason ending. It is Tuesday. Oh, got you. It is Tuesday, which means this is the final day for cuts. So a lot of guys are getting released today. Today's like Grim Reaper, right? Like, you either get called, you either get called ahead of time and you get brought in.

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You either walk into the building and there's a fleet of these guys ready to just pick you off at any moment. I was texting with a buddy of mine the other day, which led me to that tweet. Like, imagine having to wait four days because the Titans just concluded their third preseason game on Thursday or Friday.

And I'm texting, I'm like, hey, so how do you think it's going to shake up? How do you feel? It's like, oh, we'll find out on Tuesday. They got to wait four days. And you got to practice those four days leading up to it. Imagine knowing that I'm on the bubble I might get cut and you still got to practice. You know the way the coach is treating you like I'm not making this team.

I didn't really get a whole lot of burning the third preseason game. And my boy was telling me they cut you now with guys coming off the practice field. Like they just grab you like as you're coming off the practice field. So the shittiest moment of being cut. Mine was my rookie year when it's like there was like a dark horse shot of making the Washington Redskins. And you're literally up the entire like you just don't sleep well. You're trying to message assistant coaches that you feel like you had some kind of rapport with to be like, hey, what are you hearing? Like, are they going to keep five here?

They're going to, where does it look like I'm stacking up? You know, you just have no clue. And you're so nervous. Your anxiety is so high. And the next morning I woke up and there was an area code that called 7.03, I believe. I think it was. And you get this area code and you're just like, fuck, man, because you're just hoping nobody calls. It's like 6.6.30 in the morning.

I'm texting my boys who are on the team. Like, man, I just got called. So I'm thinking maybe you're out of the, maybe you're out of it because you haven't been called yet. Sure enough, a phone call. 703 area code comes across my phone and it's like, hey, good news and bad news. Good news is we want to bring you back on the practice squad.

Bad news is we're going to cut you. And make sure you get your playbook, bring your iPad in and everything else because we kind of got to go through the process. You get in this van and you're just going over with the boys who get cut. And then you go in and the grim reapers are standing there like on the railing. And they're like, hey, come back with me this way. They kind of take you through the ringer where you meet with the head coach.

You meet with the position coach. Everybody else just to pack your bags and get cut. But dude, getting cut sucks, man. Like, it sucks. It's almost like when you know you're a bubble guy too and there's a lot of, not expectation, but everybody's excited for you. Like, it's like if you guys are my boys and you guys are in, like I'm sure it's like this with Dobbs and stuff.

Like when he was ever trying to make a roster or anybody else, it's like your boys are checking in. like, hey, what are you hearing? Because you know you're on the bubble and everybody's rooting for you. So everybody back home, when you're like, oh, I'm getting cut.

You just feel like you're letting everybody down and like, fuck, man. Like, they all believed I could do it. I believed I could do it. And you don't get to play. You don't get to like, you know, you don't get to go out on Sundays. If you come back on practice squad,

you don't play on the weekends or you don't participate in traveling. Now you do, but back then you didn't get to. And that was like, that was a shitty. That was one of the shittiest moments. So getting cut, shittiest moment. It sucks. cut. Tease and peace of the boys going through it today. It's, you never know, you don't know

what to tell a guy. You don't know if a guy, like, he did perform bad and he did get cut. But one moment you're there right next to somebody and the next moment you're gone. And it's such like, you don't know, you'll probably never see him again. There's so many guys that got cut. And even when I'd get cut and, like, when I got cut from the Saints, there's just guys you'll literally probably never see again that you put sweat equity into to make a roster, to make a difference, to guys who celebrate and people. preseason everybody's like, let's say it for the game. Like, what are these guys celebrating a win for? It's like, yo, these guys fucking put everything into trying to show out and have some

success on the field, only to taste it a little bit, celebrate, and then those guys still might get cut. So getting cut sucks. That is the shittiest moment brought to us by dude wipes. Yeah, you just, it's tough, man. And a guy who might deserve to be on the roster, but it is a numbers game and it's like, oh, he's getting cut and you know he should be on the squad. But unfortunately, you need to carry an extra receiver, an extra DB that kind of trims down that list for him. And just like, man, he deserves it over that guy who just got on the team. And it sucks, dude.

You dab them up, you hug them. You're just like, man, you just hope they keep going. Because you're like, hey, you're still in a good spot. I know it doesn't seem that way because everybody wants to fame. everybody wants to be on that opening day roster then when you're on the opening day roster everybody wants to be a starter on offense or defense then not you want to be a big role on special team

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All right, so, uh, we Zig story. Yes, we're talking about Ziggs already. Joshi McDizzle. Joshi McDizzle just walked in here, a head coach of the, uh, Las Vegas Raiders. And he goes, so you were big, uh, Ziegler was your high school guidance counselor. And I was like, yeah, he's like, you must have been fucked up. Yeah, that was. That's right.

But you were asking his age. I don't know what his age was when he first was, uh, high school guidance counselor. Yeah. Oh, he was the young. He was doing with him. I roomed with him. in college. He was doing tight end and special teams.

And he was one of those dudes where it was like lipping, yelling. He was a yeller, man. He got after it. Yeah, we lived a little bit of a different lifestyle in college. Yeah. I did. Yeah, I was a little bit more straight-laced and he was not that. He wasn't that way.

It was, we've been kind of like peas and carrots since I met him. I actually hosted him on his recruiting visit. No shit. Oh, no shit. When he came to care of because I was one year older than him. And I could tell right away, I'm like, this guy, you know, he was looking for some fun. What did you take him to do? What was your recruiting?

I think he went to their horse track. Oh, no shit. I think we did. I don't know if that's been nice. You guys win anything or not anymore. Yeah. But the NIL stuff, I feel like everything's legal now. That's right.

You can do whatever you want. We had, we kind of hit it off. And then we ended up playing the two of us ended up playing on the, like we did line changes at at receiver. He and I were always in the game together. And he was, he was exactly as you would imagine. you know, hand under the face mask and always trying to create some kind of mayhem. Pretty.

Yes. Yeah. Type of guy you want around. You need that bruiser. He's a lot of fun. I've never been around him and not had fun. He was a guy too that like, you got him a job essentially.

That's how he got out of being guidance counselor, correct? Yeah. I mean, he, we had kind of obviously stayed in touch because we were good friends. And then, you know, he had done a number of things since we graduated. And then when I got out there to Denver, we, you know, kind of had a connection.

and I just said, are you happy doing what you're doing? Are you interested in getting in football? Because we were looking for some younger, like, guys to make their way in the scouting side. And he expressed interest, came out. And he's done everything on his own since then. But, yeah, we stayed in touch and that was how the door opened. Business about relationships.

Yeah. So he must not have been happy being your guidance counselor. No, he was not. I don't think he was at that point. He might have been doing something a little bit different. Well, he talks about law and order. He did like a cameo on law and order. guidance counselor. No, he did. Did he really? I did not know that. Yes, he did. We got to find that,

man. Talks about that. I think in his introductory press conference. So he's, he's done a lot of things. Dude, dude truly is incredible. He's like the reason why I was even eligible for college. Yeah. We talked about that on the show with him, man. Like, he literally, I had a 1.6 GPA. Like, I failed everything. Yeah. And then he, you know, he, he talks about his experience with that a lot, you know, and obviously we, we have a, you know, 90-man roster now. And every everybody comes from different backgrounds and all the rest of it. So his, I would say his expertise in that area has definitely come into play.

He talks about it often. And, you know, when we have guys coming from, you know, we have to treat them different. You know what I mean? And handle it handled different guys differently. It seems like a guy's guy for sure.

Being in the situation you are now, like 90-man roster in a couple weeks, you're going to have to make some big time cut. You're going to have to cut a lot of fat off the bone. Yeah. So, like, how, what does that process cut me right now? Yeah, it's, you know, I've actually kind of, in my head, softened it a little bit in terms of the, because of the 17-man practice squad.

Yeah. Or 16 plus, you know, we have a international player. It doesn't feel like you're losing half your team. You know what I mean? You're going to end up eventually cutting, let's call it 20, you know, from the 90. But it doesn't make it any easier. Those days stink. You know what I mean?

If you're a human being and you have a heart at all, which David, and I do. It's just difficult to, you know, you work all year with these guys, all training camp. They pour it out on the field and give you everything they got. And, you know, it's not quite good enough. So, um, those are tough days. Especially for the guys who got to be like the fringe guys, right? And then it does just become a numbers game.

Yeah. Where it's like you, you can be on this squad. Yeah. But we just have to go. Yeah. I mean, and the goal for every coach and general manager, I'm assuming is, you know, to create as much competition at every spot that you can. So you want those decisions to be difficult.

They're not difficult, and your team's not very good, you know what I mean? So, you know, I hope we have a lot of difficult decisions. There's a lot of competition on our team right now. And, you know, when those days come, like I said, it won't be fun. Do you coach Brab? I didn't. I was on the defensive side for three years, and I didn't coach Mike specifically. But I was there when I think I picked him up at the airport, you know, because I was like

that guy on the totem pole back then. Yeah. And then kind of work in my way through the defensive staff. But I was around them for those three years in 01, 2, and 3. And got to be around the, you know, the anomaly that is Mike Brable. So he's – Was he ever on the fringe? He – no, on the fringe of the roster?

No, not when I was there. Not when I was there. I was hoping, right? No, you were hoping he could use that. No, but he was that guy who was, you know, he always – you were much happier that he was on your team, you know, than not on your team. because he wasn't, he thought he was just the biggest asshole ever. You know what I mean?

But he was our asshole. Even if it was your coach, you sometimes feel like he might be the biggest asshole ever. I'm sure that that could be the case. The first year of 2018, his first year with the Titans, it was like, who the fuck is this guy? Why is he treating everybody like this? Yeah. But he's done a lot of growing. Yeah, years later, we had him on recently and we got the, you could just tell how nervous we were, trying to be like,

you kind of sucked your first year. Neither one of us on the team anymore. Yeah. And you would think, okay, now we can separate and move on. No. This head coach five, you're like, sir, good to see. How are we doing? I look he could cut you right now and you're like, you know what?

You're off the podcast. How'd that happen, dude? He's never going to lose that though because, you know, he had such a good career as a player. He carries that. He carries that. He had that kind of confidence as a player, you know? I mean, there's nobody that he pissed off more than Brady, you know, because he would play scout team all the time.

And so, like, he would do with our defensive reps. And then what he would do is whoever was playing like safety, you know, on the scout team, he would go in the huddle and go get out of here and he would throw the guy out of the huddle and then he would play safety and of course he would never do what the card said to do which pissed Brady off to no end

you know what I mean it's like well that he's not going to do that Mike and then he would go you know like those two had legendary battles going back and forth and all the rest of it but Mike was Mike was always the agitator you know what I mean that was part of his stick Billy B was okay with him going in and fucking up a scout rep

oh he didn't he he didn't really, no, he didn't care. Again, he just, you know, his thing was always like, well, you got to read it out, you know what I mean? If the safety's not where he's supposed to be, then drugs nowhere else. You know what I mean? So it was kind of, he he didn't really mind that, no. You seem like, like, the Patriot,

it sounds like so contradictory to what you hear as players. You just hear like the Patriot way, the Patriot way, it's like the hardest practices. Two a days are just, they wish they could have him back, so back to, so to hear that Mike was just fucking around a little bit and mess with it seems like very out of Bill Belich. But when Mike was out there doing his thing, it was always the way you would want it to be. Yeah.

You know, I mean? And so, you know, he, it was both ways. You know, certain guys got a little bit more leeway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Than others as it always is. Yeah. So, no, those were the guys we had back then, it was such an old school team, you know, Bruce Key Harrison, Vrabel, Tylaw, McGinnis.

Like, they just kind of, you know, they kind of like, could handle their own locker room, you You know what I mean? Like, it was just the way it was and went out to practice and they kind of held the standard. There's a legendary tale of Mike Brable saying that he would cut his piece off to win a Super Bowl. Said that in 2019? Something like that. They went to the-19 championship and then he said, no, I actually won't do it. And then they, you guys lost.

We lost to the kids. If he would have just held on to it. He would actually not cut his piece off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess what the segue is here is, what are you willing to do to win a Super Bowl? I want to work hard. I might give a finger. or something.

I mean, I'm not, no, not doing that. That's not happening for you. No. What, um, now being with the Raiders, what do you feel like you've learned since your first stint with Denver as a head coach and now getting another opportunity with Vegas? Well, you got to do it your own way. And I think when I left the first time, you know, there was such a, I didn't have a lot of wisdom about how to do it other than what I had seen.

And what I had seen was great. But you just can't go somewhere and just replicate that immediately. That's impossible. You know what I mean? And I was trying to do things that I had witnessed, but it just really, that doesn't necessarily fit, especially when you're 32. You know, so I made a lot of mistakes myself and really had the time that was really important for me was when I was done in Denver in 10 and then taken, you know, the number of years that I did to kind of go back through and say, okay, you know, this is how I handled that. This is what I would do now. Yeah.

And just really kind of look at it and say, okay, I know what I have to do the next time if I ever get one, if I'm blessed to have a shot at it. And it's just got to be authentic and it's got to be you. And I have a different personality than Bill and, you know, than Mike and everybody else. And so you just got to be yourself. And I've learned how to do that more. I'm much more at ease. Just, you know, distributing things to the guys that are around me have a great support staff. And they handle all their stuff. The coaching staff does a great job. And I try to manage the team from the head coach position through my own spirit and, you know, how I interact with them every day. So I'm happy with what we're trying to do. I'm at peace with it.

And I know it's authentic. When you look back, who are some like some coaches or mentors or people? Like when you are looking back at situations like I can go this way or guys that you just picked their brain and was kind of like there with you when you were trying to figure out the next step when that next opportunity would come. Yeah, there was a lot of people that, you know, you had an opportunity to kind of like, you know, you know, know, see as you were going. And I remember Tony Dungy spent a lot of time. I haven't talked to Tony in a while in that regard, but Tony spent a lot of time talking to me, you know, when I was in St. Louis right after the Denver situation, just about, you know, looking inside yourself and evaluate everything you did. I mean, A to Z, you know what I mean? And try to figure out, like,

is that really what you want to do the next time or not, you know? And there's many other people that were great during that process. including Bill, you know, because I asked Bill some things. And he understood the scenario, you know, you got to be you and be yourself and do what you believe in, but do it your way. Yeah. I'll tell you what, though. He brought up journalism.

He brought, yeah, he brought up Tony Dungey. He had, he has a phenomenal book. I forget what it's called, but I did read in college and he had a lot of, seems like he'd be a good mentor to sit with and talk to you about all that kind of stuff. You did a great job of giving me some advice. What happened with the Colts? You were about to go to the Colts? The rumor is, which obviously people know of the rumors of like, oh, he went back to New England

because he's just going to be the coach in waiting when Bill leaves and all that. Like, I feel like everybody know that that's not the answer. I feel like that's a two-part question, though, like what happened with the Coles and were you the coach in waiting? No. The second part, no. That was never part of any conversation that I was a part of. You know, it just, you know, that process, as we all know, is a little bit different. You know, when you're done with the season and then you go into that interview process,

and it's so quick, especially when you're still playing. And you don't get as much time to really devote to that whole thing as you really want, you know. And so I interviewed with a few teams that year while we were in the playoffs. I think it was during our buy. I think we had the buy. And, you know, you're trying to balance that with, you know, getting ready to play a really important, your most important game of your season, you know, and ultimately try to compete for a championship. And so, you know, it just, I just felt like.

Like as I kind of closed the loop there, we went to Minneapolis for the Super Bowl, you know, was still kind of going through that process in my own mind. Just at the end of the day, didn't feel like it was the right decision, you know, and I know the timing was awkward, awful, you know. Nobody, I didn't want to do that to anybody either. That was something that I regret in that regard. But I didn't feel like just because the timing was bad, I should go ahead and make a bad decision that I thought wasn't good for me or them, you know what I mean?

And so, you know, unfortunately it played out the way it did. I think we're probably fortunate. Like Frank went there and did a great job, obviously. And, you know, I stayed where I was and tried to continue growing and overcome that as best I can. It's like you're, yeah, it sounds like it's like you're in the interview process. You're excited. Yeah. You're going to get another opportunity.

Not saying that there's anything bad that goes on in Indianapolis, but you get time to do more due diligence, whatever may be. And whatever loose ends don't get tied up. You're like, ah, this kind of sucks. I got to kind of go back. but it seems like this was the better opportunity to go back to New England. It was. It was the right decision for me. Again, like I said, I don't, I don't think that it was the easy decision.

Yeah. You know, I certainly took my share of flack deservedly so for the timing of it. And I regret that, you know what I mean? Because I have a great deal of respect for Chris, Mr. Ursay. You know, the people that I met through that process were great to me. So, again, that was on me. You obviously, that happened. And then now you're here, the Raiders.

what are you looking at that roster, brother? You guys are fucking stacked. You're missing one piece. You're missing a four-four linebacker. You're missing a four-four-fired office line. All right. There we go. Three core special teamer, but...

What are you guys weighing nowadays? Look at you, huh? Oh, look at you. You see the fucking arms coming out of this minute. I don't hit a bus there, right? We can do a little work out in this room if you need to. No question. There's enough room in here, too.

Will can work in a phone booth. Yeah. I think Dave's done a good job of really, you know, when you come to a new place, you're trying to figure out, you know, who's there that fits your vision of how you want to play. That isn't an easy process to go through. And every time there's a change, there's ultimately potential changes that are going to take place on the roster, the staff, et cetera, because it's just not the right fit for how you want, how you see defense or offense or special teams.

And so, you know, we've had an opportunity to do such over 18 or 19 months here. We've changed over a decent chunk of the roster, you know, and that happens to every team. But I think we've added competition at most of the spots that we wanted to try to do that in. And right now we're having a competitive camp. Today was a competitive practice, you know, and, you know, we're going to keep trying to push that as much as we can. But I think what we've done is we've added some younger players and some players from outside that we feel like have a chance to fit us really well.

And now we're trying to blend them together. How awesome is wearing the silver and black? Awesome. It is. It is. And move to Vegas. The first time I saw the uniform last year when you come out for pregame warmups, you know, in the Hall of Fame game, I'm like, this is that uniform that I've thought about. Like for years and years and years, you saw all these Hall of Fame players wearing it and you're like, this is a bad uniform.

It really is. I think we did a tear talk, which is one of our segments on the show. And it was like that is. Coolest jerseys. Across the board, the best uniform. It is. Everybody kind of like the silver helmet, the black jerseysies. Yes.

It just looks cool. You get a little darker visor every now and then. Are you guys doing anything different this year? Because I know there's a lot of the... With the helmets? With the helmets? Yeah. No.

Nothing. No. Not a lot you have to do. I don't think we need to. Yeah. We don't need to. We just wear the old school helmets. Ours hasn't changed radically from what it was.

Yeah. I think what we're saying now is a lot of teams that have like gone through changes are now like trying to like bring back the retro version of what they're wearing. Yeah. We have the same one. Yeah. And it goes to basically. Yeah.

And we should ultimately like open up the sleeves where like the single bar helmet It's just bring the T bar back. You got to tape your fingers. Yeah, yeah. I just saw Fred Villenecoff the other day at our preseason game, and we were talking about that. Because, I mean, back then it was, that was, he was wearing that stuff. That was it.

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Put it on Rob. Because he says shit like all the time. Whether it's about himself, you know, the defense, you know, the period we're going to. He just, it's really, it's like a running commentary. And then, you know, you show snippets of that to the fellas and they get a kick out of it. What is that? Go ahead. I was going to say, let's talk about joint practices for a second because we're obviously not in Las Vegas right now.

Yep. You feel very strong with that joint practices are the thing to do in camp? I think that depends on who you're talking about. Like to me, we look at it. If the team that we could do it with, that the schedule comes out that we have to play in the preseason makes sense for us to do it against, then we go ahead and do it. For us, the two teams that, you know, we've chosen to do it with this year made a lot of sense for ourselves.

You know, we play teams that do. definitely feature this style of defense that LA uses right now. Staley and the Chargers, you know, there's some other people that we're going to play this year that have the same kind of defense. We don't see that defense in training camp from our own team. So it just, if it didn't fit structurally like that, I'm not sure that we would want to do it. But I felt like the competition against San Francisco, the style that they play, I thought that was really quality work for us to kind of get going in the preseason. And then to have the opportunity to do that with Sean in L.A.

It makes a lot of sense for us, just for a multitude of reasons. You know, and they're obviously a well-coached first-class organization. So this is a good day, you know, not always good for us on the field, but it was a good day. It's a bloodbath.

It's a fucking bloodblair, you always get that tension that rise. I'm sure with coaches, too, but it's like you just feel that we're about the joint practice. Like, is there a bite going to break out? Yeah. I feel like coaches always like the general, like watching the war go down.

They feel good about their strategy. Hopefully their men just produce. Yeah. You're like, don't fight, but you also muster up enough to be like, don't get fucking bullied. You got to go to the line. You got to go to the line. If you don't go to the line, you get your ass kicked.

Then everybody's pissed about it. And then if you go over the line, then you're pissed about it because that's not while we're here. So we, I mean, we, I don't know, we were staying behind the line a little bit maybe at the beginning today. Then we got up to the line and then it kind of, we crossed it a little bit. And we got it back behind the line. So you just, is it kind of like a, you go up in my, maybe,

like nudge max like get over the line a little bit no i don't have to nudge max at all i have to if i have to do anything i have to pull max behind the line again so he kind of starts practice over the line and then you just kind of try to see if you can rear him in yeah i've been hearing that he's like an assassin out there i'll tie it with um mir abdul and he's like bro max is like the hardest worker i've ever been around you talk about max a little bit yeah he's um rare um you know this is 23 years for me so i've had a handful of guys they're like this but not many um you know we're just every single day he can muster up the urgency, the energy, the desire, the effort, the competitive nature, just every single rep, every single day.

Like, you never have to worry if his car's in a parking lot at 530 because it's already there in the morning. And he does everything possible to help himself be the best player he can be to help our team. And he's also learning, I think this is really a cool phase for him. He's learning how to also transfer that to others. you know and it's one thing to be able to do it on your own it's another thing to try to infect the rest of your teammates with it and then get as many of those guys to do that as as you can so um we're we're seeing that right in front of our eyes he's developing into that kind of a

leader and um he's he's an incredible person and he's a really good football player he's definitely a guy you want on your team 100% every single day yeah every you don't again you don't ever have to worry about his level you know what I mean and really what he's trying to do is get every everybody to try to play up to that every day. And that's only a good thing. Yeah. Jesus. Michigan.

I know. Like so fucking random. And he was kind of scrawny when he came out and, you know, and he just, again, he's just the toughness. It's hard to measure toughness. Yeah. You know, you got the combine and you can say his height and his weight and his 40 and all that.

But relative to his effort, his toughness, his motor, his love for football and all that. I mean, it's impossible to measure all that. What about playing sound defense? Does he play a lot of that? He does. now. But, you know, that's a great question because, you know, when you have a guy, when you have a guy like that, you build your defense around people like that. And so to try to take him and say, hey, just do this and don't be as good as you could be because it fits something on the whiteboard, I don't really know what, you know, what's the point of that. When you have a guy like, it's like saying, hey, Randy Moss, here's what I want you to do. I want you to run some curls. and some short routes because that's what we do. Well, when you have Randy, you go deep and you draw different routes that are different for him,

and then you build the rest of the offense around him. I'd say the same thing about Max with defense is, okay, in order for him to be as great as he can be, which would help our team, then we've got to build the rest of it around him. So, hey, if we want to give him a little freedom to go inside or outside, that's fine, as long as the rest of them know about it. Right. And that's what we're trying to do as we go into our. second year here. We know him a lot more. Now we know who we have around him. Build it around that

and just, you know, we'll see how it all turns out. Matt, Max, don't hear this and think you can just go fucking rogue now. That's exactly what he does, though. No, no, no. We've built it such that he has some freedom, which he should. Like I said, if he doesn't have freedom, I'm, I'm caging an animal that doesn't need to be caged. You know what I mean? And just let him, let's let him go ahead and do his thing. Sometimes he has to be disciplined in that regard. And other times he can do himself. imagine being Max watching this right now. That's why I had to see that. Then he stopped me again.

He's really good. Max is really good. And a guy that he reminds me of the way you talk about is JJ Watt. Because JJ was a dude that never played sound defense. If you were to put up a chart and be like, you have the C gap in the situation. He's not going to have a C gap.

I'm sure a few times. Well, that's why you'd also see he'd have like 50 TFLs. No doubt. No, that he's swimming back side. Three people. Like the Patriots who played Super Sound, they'd break that 60-yard touchdown because he would take the brink.

B gap when he should have, the C gap. Yeah. And that linebacker wasn't covering the C gap. I understand that. And I think, again, as long as he's doing it within the scope of the defense, again, that's the responsibility of the staff around him and all the rest of it. But like, there wasn't, there wasn't too many guys that I disliked playing more against than JJ Watt. No question.

You know what I mean? Because it's like, yeah, he might not have been doing what he was supposed to do, but he was still a pain in the ass. Disruptor. Same thing with Aaron Donald. It's like, you know, I think they're both disciplined, you know, enough and that they're so talented that they just you know they want to go behind the block and make the tackle they want to go ahead and rip through it they want to go ahead and call the game

on second down when it wasn't called in the you know what I mean like yeah they just do things and they have a different ability to do it when you had a did you have anything I did I was going to add to that like predictability in offense looking at a defense is when it's predictable it's the greatest thing in the world when you have a guy that's going to play the C gap the whole time you can run fit him exactly how you want you can do play actions exactly how you want to, there's not a better feeling in the world. Agreed. But when you get guys like Max, guys like TJ, guys like JJ,

like JJ, Aaron Donald, there is a level of anxiety that goes through your body as an offensive alignment. I'm sure. We're like, fuck, man, these guys, I can't run off the ball the way I want to. I can't. You play less. You play less. You're a little hesitant. It's a level of chest you now have to get into other than just, hey, we got to make sure whoever's got better technique is going to

win. Now it's like, what fastball is he throwing? Do I need to do something different this time? Yep. And you get in this, like, dance with this individual. And that's where the scheming part of it, once you get to the regular season, I would say has some element of a, it factors into the equation.

You know, because like with JJ, I used to hate running away from JJ. Because you run away from him. He didn't matter if he cut the, if he beat the tackle across his face or went behind the tackle and then ran it down from behind.

It just was, it was an impossibility to get him blocked. Yeah. And so then schematically you go at him. And it's like, so all my, all our runs this week, in this category are all right.

We're not going left on those because we can't make them work. You know what I mean? So I think that's where the coach has to help sometimes in terms of how do we avoid this being a big problem? I mean, we deal with it every day in practice. You know, it's a pain of the ass. Like Patrick, which plays his max in for? Okay, one through six.

All right. So we got a screen. We have a draw. You know what I mean? It's like we can't just, hey, run inside zone at him and go, why didn't it work? Yeah, get the why to go and block it. That's right. Pull them off just enough to make it.

You got it. It's not a good thing. Just getting away a little. I don't like to do that a lot in training camp. But for those guys, Richard Seymour was another guy that when we practiced against him was like, if you don't take that into account, your practice is going to be a mess.

Yeah. And so you actually are quote unquote, game planning your own practice against your own defense, which you don't really love to do. You just want to test your rules and shit like that. But these guys require you to do such. It's a good problem to have. It's a great problem if you're the coach.

Yeah. And the guy on the other side, too, Chandler Jones, word in the street is my man's looking lean, looking ready, looking speedy. Yeah, and we just got Tyree out there too today. So we're trying to add that depth there. You know, Chan has been such a great leader for us

and, you know, was really productive in a running game last year and did a good job, you know, with what we did. And we're trying to look for all those guys to kind of help us do a little bit more in the past rush. And I'm excited about the group right now as it stands. We interrupt this episode to bring you Peloton. Listen, working out is tough. Working out consistently and finding a program that sticks, even tougher.

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when you're coaching somebody like Randy, is it kind of like you have like a cheat code going on during that year? I mean, it's Rob, Gruncowski, Moss, you know, some of these guys that you, you know, it's just, it's tough to Devante today, you know, it's tough to cover them with a single player, you know. And so the one thing you learn over time is, you know, okay, if they take him away,

what do you need to do to still be productive without taking him out of the game yourself? Yeah. You know what I mean? Because yeah, they can play cover two and roll to them. Well, you got it. You can't just say, all right, well, Randy's not going to catch any passes today. You still have to work to try to figure out how to do that, you know, when they're trying to take it away.

So there's a little bit of a chess match involved with that. But if they give you single coverage against some of those guys, it doesn't have to be real hard with the quarterback. Yeah. It's like, look, if they roll to the middle of the field and that guy's over there one-on-one, you know, like, I don't really care what the rest of the play is. like the ball should go over there. Yeah. And so there's only a few guys that you can say that about. But when you have one of them, it's, it feels good.

It's such a complex game. Simplifying it that way helps so much more. Yeah. The quarterback's got so many things going on in his head and protections and where's the front? Who's blitz and all the rest of his stuff? Yeah. And he sees this guy go to the middle. He's like, great.

He's throwing this one-on-one. That's what you try to do. Yeah. How fun was it coaching Gronk? Awesome. He was, you know, tough. physical, practice really hard, smart. You could do so many different things with them.

He worked hard in practice every day. He tried to get better at the little things. He blocked. You know what I mean? Like he's the first guy out there and it's nine on seven. And like, you know, he's like, hey, bring it behind me. You know what I mean? Like, you know, there's not a lot of tight ends that are doing that.

You know what I mean? So he was a complete tight end. And those guys are, as you guys know, they're less and less. it's hard to find him. You know what I mean? Where, you know, they can factor in the running game, factor in a passing game, factor on third down, factor in the red zone.

And this guy, not only was he all that, but he was also great fun to be around. And it was, you know, it was really fun to coach. A lead bro. Huh? He was an elite bro. There's no question. He was in a lead bro.

Blocking you're right. Like, there's not a whole lot of tight ends that do that very much. No. Which I feel like, I mean, there's two, the top two tight ends are Kelsey and Kettle, right? That's what we're kind of talking about.

If you're building a team. Yeah. Who you want? Either one of them. They're different. That's a very good coach answer. That's right. Because I, you know, I have to run the ball a little bit.

I do. I do. But I also, I also. No, I mean, they're both. They're both, it's almost impossible to stop. We double teamed Kelsey the entire game last year and he had four touchdowns. Yeah. Wasn't it the game he had like four touchdowns like 24 yards?

Yes. We basically said, hey, we're not going to let him touch the ball. And then he found a way to touch it anyway in the most critical play at a game in the red zone, you know, which was, you know, was disappointing, but it was also, it was a, there's a great player being a great player. Yeah. You know, we took him away for, I mean, 59 minutes of the game. He didn't do a whole lot, but there it is down there in the score.

How was that last year? Like, you brought up the 59 minutes of the game. Like, it felt like the boys always played solid until that fourth quarter, until later in the game and just a play or two that matter. Yeah, we, we have to get better at that. That's not just a, that's a everybody, you know, coaching, playing, situational awareness. We had leads and we got to learn how to close. You know what I mean? It's like being ahead in a boxing match.

And instead of being content and saying, hey, let's just win it on points. You know what I mean? Yeah. Let's go knock the guy out. You know, and so, you know, if we get in that situation again this year, hopefully we'll have a better idea of what we need to do to keep playing the way we're playing because that's how we got the lead. And so we just didn't, we didn't quite establish that last year.

And that's my fault. So we have to do a better job. No doubt about it. Last one, favorite movie? Favorite movie? Oh, boy. I like... I know, there it is.

It's like, okay, good. One more, Coach, favorite movie. Heat. With Al Pacino, Robert De Niro. Tombstone. Phenomenal. Like Tombstone. Phenomenal movie.

And a few good men. That's a fucking... I've just... Saw that recently. There you go. That is. Do you ever pull the tombstone... What's up?

You got to go. I know. Do you ever pull the tombstone clip where he talks about, like, bitch slap and the dude in the bar as like as like a motivating inspiring. I haven't done it yet. That's a good idea.

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