Bussin' With The Boys - Josh Pate Breaks Down CFP First Round W/ Will Compton & Taylor Lewan + Michigan Head Coach Search

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

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Where do we even start? Because I'm curious, I know you put out a video. I'm curious to also dive into some Michigan talk about what even the hell you guys are going to do. Because it seemed like the entire operation and plan, some of the dominoes and strategy you had in place, just all went to shit within a total of like an hour. To the public eye, I 100% agree.

And I am the public eye, so I 100% agree. I like to believe that Michigan has a better game plan than, hey, hopefully Kaelin DeBoer loses to Oklahoma and we'll get him. And if not, Killing Dilihan's chomping at the bit to leave his alma mater in a place he loves more than anything to come to Michigan. I'm hoping the thought process went a little more farther than that. And we talked about this on the bus. If you're a top five program, you want to sit there and like we hear with Eddie O when he's talking about the LSU getting the interim head coach job, he's meeting somebody at a gas station, there's burner phones involved. Like, we have to cover all basis if you're the AD.

If this happens, this happens, you're always ready for every circumstance. So if something happens, it seems catastrophic. Contingency plans. You've got your answers. My thought process in the Michigan thing is this. Sorry, sorry. I know last week you had this strategy and I was bought into it. Like there was a strategy out there.

And now the strategy is just pure hope. Like you're just hoping everything's okay. The strategy is pure hope. I'm going to talk. I'm going to talk as if the only game panel was Kailen DeVore, Kade DeLam. Because if your thought process, if you're Michigan, is those are our two guys,

then it's everybody else, which there's great coaches out there that could take this job and be very successful. I have no doubt in that. But if that is the Michigan thought process, why would you in your mind settle them for somebody else and just kick the can down the road of the issues you already have, hoping that this person's be successful when those other two you know would be successful? So for me,

it's Biff Poji. The thought process is 2026, say, hey, we're going to go a Biff for the year. You frame it as we have a lot more issues than just who the head coach is to be the first of Michigan. It's great for PR. You get your president in place. Who knows what happens to Ward Manuel, whether he is the guy, he is not the guy. Clearly, it seems like the ball has been fumbled with football. But if you look at every other sport at Michigan, which he's the athletic director, not the football director,

they're doing a very good job on that end. So maybe he stays when he doesn't. But foundationally, Michigan needs a whole lot more than just, we have. a head coach now we have our answer because the last five years have not been ideal other than a national championship yeah so you would think in a i'm not going to say a perfect world within the framework of this situation in a perfect world you knew that the charone fire firing was coming from a long way away so you had your ducks in a row they didn't know the charon firing was coming there were rumors i heard him you heard him we talked about them a dozen times during the season

but we never knew like are we sure they're going to fire him As it turns out, because they went, what, nine and three, regular season, I don't think they were going to fire him until it all hit the fan the week after the Ohio State game, and then you've got an entire investigation, and then they are firing him. But the thing about it is, I'm convinced that Michigan folks woke up the Sunday of that week, not expecting to conduct a coaching search. And because of that, they had to scramble a plan together. And because they had to scramble a plan together, just like Penn State a few months earlier,

there were a certain number of candidates that would be obvious, yes, don't even need to get approval for type guys. In Penn State's case, that was Marcus Freeman, that was Kalin, guys like that. And then once they quickly, Mike Elko was another one. Once they realized we're not getting those guys, okay, those are like the peak of the mountain. Then the mountain gets really, really, really quick towards the base. More people get involved, more voices, more sign-offs, more checks and balances. So with Michigan, once you realize, like you said, this happened in,

like an eight hours span. Once you realize it's probably not Kalin, I don't think it ever was, but once you firmly realize it's not Kalin, then Kenny says, no, I'm staying home. You're kind of back to square one. You always like to think somewhere behind that curtain, they're just a bunch of mad scientists, and they're five steps ahead of us, and they've got a master plan, and if that master plan doesn't work out, it's got several side roads of contingency plans and we'll be good. It's just a bunch of people who have very, very little idea of what tomorrow may bring trying to conduct a coaching search. Yeah, here's the problem is, based on the reports that have come out since Sharon got fired,

is apparently, allegedly, this was brought to the athletic department in the summertime. Those are the reports that are being set on Twitter, whether it's true or it's not. Let's just say it is true. If you are the people making decisions at the top and you're like, hey, we're going to conduct this search, a piece of you, an alarm has to go off of if there's validity to this and the road would be to fire him, what is our contingency plan? That would be if you are the athletic direction. In this case, we don't know that the AD is the one running the search.

Right. Because it seems like there's multiple camps buying for the top spot to make the decision at the University of Michigan. That's where I sit there and I'm like, yeah, Biff is, if Biff sat here right now, he would say I'm not the long term answer from Michigan. Would he take the job? Yes, absolutely. He knows he's not the long term answer, Michigan knows and the fan base knows.

But if you're in the position you are now with a coaching cyclist pretty much all the way gone through and the two guys you thought you had a real shot with that you believed was of Michigan caliber, which is debatable at this point. They're no longer on the table. It's like, well, there's going to be a whole new coaching cycle next year. There's going to be job availabilities that we didn't see coming, just like we saw this year. There's going to be big names that are back in there, and why not be in the front of the line for next year, as opposed to back the line? You have a year of uncertainty.

Who knows, like, how boosters get behind it, donors? Because there's a level of Michigan arrogance in the donor category where it's like, regardless of who the head coaches, we want to be competitive. they're willing to put money and be like, hey, Biff, you're the guy, get the players you want, the players you can get, and let's be as competitive possible against this gauntlet of a schedule. And now you're in the middle of October. You're seeing the board more clearly. You have a better foundation for Michigan, and you're able to go, this is our guy. Yep.

As opposed to a rushing, because today is December 22nd when we're shooting this. I got a Christmas shot. The same. The players, either today, tomorrow, yesterday, are going to go on Christmas break. you are absolutely foolish if you think these kids are going to go home open presence with their family and not hear and have a million conversations

about what's revolved around them in the football building and guys are going to get in their ear you can go here, you can go there. Tampering period is crazy right now but now you're away from your main storyline and you're talking to... Now your parents are tampering with you. Exactly. They know all the money

could possibly get. This is going to be a very tough Christmas break for Michigan fans, myself included. Can I take some? It's pretty tough. Go ahead. Losing's not that bad. Wow. Losing's not that bad.

Like, you'll have to deal with weight loss. You have to deal with muscle turning into fat. You have to deal with some short-term pain that you can... You'll have to deal with shaved heads. But then you can direct your anger toward other teams and other fan bases and other chaos. And then you just sit back and realize, this is just a game. It's just a game. At the end of the day.

and then you just you gear up for next season can you give me one second then you gear for next season we're gonna take it all can you give me a timeout we're gonna put you in the little box real quick it's soundproof

I don't want to end up like that yeah I don't want to become who that is he can't hear us too so you can see what we're let me tell you something that used to be Wilcompton yeah that used to be Wilcompton

did you see his eyes I got bags under my eyes right now he's got bags under his eyes right now because of all the losing it's like a doll's like a doll's eyes like a shark's eyes they're just they're just glassed over they're looking off in the space what is he looking at me or jupiter what is he looking at right exactly he was talking to me but seeing through me i do not want to become that his his silver lining to me was you can direct

your anger somewhere else do you remember the fall yeah do you remember week zero week one and you know what's fucked up josh is i'm so glad to can hear us when we get on the the bus in March he's going to pull up the schedule and he's going to tell me he's going to look me in the eyes and say 10 and 2 he's going to say 10 and 2 again and being his friend i'm going to say yeah you're right i'm riding with you and if i ever go against it i'm all of a sudden the bad guy i'm in the trenches the anger's getting directed at me when i'm just trying to look at my boy like hey all the things you just said i've kind of said to you but anyway i'm worried about him i don't want to become that so let's let him should we let him back out of the box

I'm gonna do everything I can for you okay I need that I'm gonna do everything I can for you my only hope my only wish is we can go back in time and when Will was starting this journey with Nebraska you were there to be there the way you're gonna be there for me yeah I stayed in the foxhole as long as I could as long as I could because it's not built for everybody because there's a lot of question marks revolving around Michigan but like year three Matt rule Like even Dylan left Yeah and what happens in year four

So building the program Is he reading our lips? He's talking in there I see him talking in there Doing something Anyway let's get him out of air I'm sure he's running out of air You're back I'm not running out of air

I'm just I'm running off a strictly caffeine And Greek yogurt I pounded about 16 ounces of it It's all I'm running on I got a kid at home right now with 103 fever You got a scratch on your neck I got a scratch on my neck From my one year old

It's just a game Just a game. I don't want to become. I'm excited you have to hear that because we weren't just talking about you. We had a couple of other things, but I really don't want to become what you're doing right now. This went from we're going in tonight and someone's not coming back alive to it's just a game. That's way too serious. We would have, if we die, we die.

Why are we taking it so serious? That's, that's me soon. Yeah. If Michigan can't figure it out. You're one or two more nose away from... And if I could just go back in time and talk to somebody that's making a decision, be like, just call Kenny right now and offer him the job. Because him being a press conference saying, they never offered me the job.

We knew that. Yeah. But why not? Yeah. That was what was funny the whole time. He was playing everybody. I don't... I don't think he was.

I want to address that. My eyes are watering a while. So a lot of people are saying what you just said. A lot of people think, oh, man. man, Kenny and his agent just played Michigan. No, they didn't. We were, like, you, now that this is over, you talk with Kenny several times throughout this. Did you not? Yes. I talked with Kenny Dillingham, like five or six times throughout this. I know Kenny's agent very well. When most people were speculating that they already had an offer and they were negotiating with

Michigan, he had never even talked to him. And I don't mean that thing where your agent is talking so you can have plausible deniability. I mean, there was nothing in front of them. They really weren't waiting for Kalin DeBoer. And Kenny's just like hanging out there in multiple press conferences at Arizona State saying, yeah, I haven't talked to Michigan. It's because he hadn't talked to Michigan. He had no idea. You assume the offer's going to come. You don't know if the offer's going to come or not. Just because the internet says so, you don't know if the offer's going to come. So no one played anybody. He was brutally honest this whole time. That's why last week on the show, I said, hey, I don't think just if he gets the offer, it's a slam dunk that he's going to take it. I agree. Because he actually is truthful when he says,

I love Arizona State. Now, if you're, if you're living in Missoula, Montana and you say, hey, if you could have the Arizona State job or the Michigan job, which would you take? Well, that guy's taking Michigan, but that guy's not Kenny Dillingham. So it was always going to be a tough pull in the best of circumstances. And Michigan Search is not being handled in the best of ways right now. No. It feels that way. We could get a week down the road. It could completely change. But it seems like to me the deadline has kind of is at or starting to pass the deadline to where these kids are going to get impatient. Yeah.

Because they've done a great job of staying in. We've had a, I think we've had two guys transfer out. Both guys, you hope for the best for them. And when these kids do leave, a lot of Michigan fans are going to be mad. But how can you blame them if they leave and there's no structure or nothing around them to where they go? I feel confident about the growth of my football career hoping to make it to the NFL. That's the shitty part. Yeah.

So you sit there and you just go, name a guy. And the name you have right now is Biff. And you can get all the answers you want in 26. and just hope, a lot of these kids that say they love Biff, that want Biff, like Marlon Klein is the, was a captain this year, tied end, he said to the press, I want Biff Pogh to be the head coach of Michigan. So if a captain's saying that and guys are aligned and it feels like dudes are knocking at the door of the AD saying Biff, we're leaving, then call them on their bluff, hire Biff.

They're probably going to leave. Yeah. But at the end of day, man, it's like you can't expect them all to stay anyway. It's 2026, new NIL. find your guy in 26 don't force it right now because it's too late do you want Biff

my call would be Biff if I mean I think if like Kyle Whittingham but he asked he didn't ask who your call would be he asked if do you want Biff the way it feels right now I think the only answer is Biff but he didn't ask what the only answer is he

has to do you want Bif Pogie I want Bif Pogie for 26 I don't think I think Biff is not the long term answer at Michigan. So you want a short-term, you want a short-term guy. I think you go into an interim head coach situation.

Gary Mueller, similar situation in Michigan, gets fired. Who takes over his interim head coach for a year? Lloyd Carr. Lloyd Carr was there for 10 years. But that's not the game plan here. Probably a different situation. Most likely.

But it's the closest one I can give you right now. Right? Like, look at the situation in Michigan. I'm pulling at straws right now. Why buy when you can rent? I'm just sitting in the batters box and I'm, exactly. Why live when you can squat?

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college football playoff, we just had the first round. Hey, Merry Christmas. Yeah, Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. This is awesome. Just a game. I'm going to have a hell of the first. It's just a game. Let's talk about the games that happened over the weekend. Oklahoma. Yeah. You tell me about Oklahoma. I will say this about my experience in Oklahoma. I probably won't be going back for a while. That being said, I thought the people in Oklahoma were great. I thought the coaching staff was amazing. I thought the beat reporters were awesome. Everybody on the sideline I talked to was great. But there was one situation. I'm just like, I'll probably won't go back there for a minute. I'll let it breathe. And that's what it is

because it's not, I'm sure the players are great. Gabe Eichert, great guy, played with him. He's a big, he's big in Oklahoma. Probably won't go back. Environment was awesome. Cannot believe they blew a 17-0 lead. Can't believe it, especially with their defense. With their defense clump? Ty Simpson, though. He got it back. High-tie. He got it back high and tight, and he got it back between the ears. It's really got to make you to feel kind of dumb that you doubted him. You picked against him. I don't feel dumb. And you got called out for it. I still don't feel dumb. It's got to make the two of you specifically really look in the mirror and ask, how did I doubt Ty Simpson? Yeah. Can I tell you something? And then I look back in the mirror and I say, Kurt Big Nettie.

You're, Will, you're right on doubting them. They, Oklahoma just choked the game away. They blew it. This is a classic, we were right. Oklahoma just got it wrong. They screwed it up. They screwed it up. They screwed it up. Welcome to my world. Big fan of Ty.

Love him. Obviously, love Galen and Boer. Seriously, what great and he was. But they fucked up. Oklahoma messed up bad. Yeah, I got nothing but love for Ty, but no one's going to sit there and tell me that this is the plan you win the national title with.

Right. If you're two for 12 on third down, you average 1.1 yards per rush. The punter, he just drops the ball. He drops the ball. Did you see? Yeah. He drops the ball.

And then John Mateer, he can talk about miscommunication of the receiver all you want. You gifted a Christmas gift to the corner. He was taking that to the house no matter what the route was. Yeah. Well, I would say if it was a quick button hook, which I'm pretty sure he hand signal to him and he picked up on it, it wouldn't have gone to the house because it would have had to go through the receiver's body before it was taken to the house. I think that's what happened. Corner was sitting inside.

All he was doing is sitting in there reading the quarterback. It's cover two. Yeah, but I still think. So you go back and watch TV copy, which I assume both of you have. He looks out there, whatever in the world this means for Oklahoma, he gives it to him. I think he got a head nod from the receiver, but I'm not sure. Whatever he told that dude to do, I'm pretty sure he blindly trusted that he was going to do. And that kid didn't do it.

You're just, look, I'm someone who held a John Matier-Hisman ticket. I've got a dog in the fight here. Not anymore, but I did have a dog in the fight. I am not going to believe that John Matier took that ball, said, no receiver over there. Sabian Brown was good enough. I'm not going to believe he did that. that. If he throws an errant ball over the middle or something like that, okay. He could not have hit a DB in the chest any more effectively than he did with that ball. So I'm going to say

miscommunication. Oh, for sure, miscommunication, but I just want to put it to be picked off. But I'm going to say it's all on the receiver. I just don't want John Matier to get any of the blank. Okay. Hey, if that's how you want to live, absolutely. Yeah. Team sport, 11 guys got to be in the same page. He was great on third down in the first half. I thought that was going to end up being the out of the game. Well, you said it's funny too because the stat sheet was basically flipped from the last game. It was. Not like as bad as Alabama kind of had them in the last game, but the turnover margin, all that stuff. Think about the first quarter and change of this game. It was like the fifth quarter of the SEC championship game. How lifeless Alabama looked, how bad the field was getting

tilted on them, average starting field position, all that stuff that we talked about after Bama, Georgia, and to an extent Bama OU, round one, was the first quarter of this game. Okay, so like I'm joking around a little bit about Ty, but after the game, I'm on the field and some of the Bama coaches, they're kind of messing around, but like they're saying, man, you doubted us, you doubted us. Dude, yes, I doubted you in this game. I doubted you. I doubted you down 17. Oh, in the world, what in doubting you? And I still doubt you. It's not like, okay, I don't want to go that far yet. And I still doubt you. It's not personal. It's not personal. It's definitely not personal. It has nothing to do with Alabama. I'm just going to come out of my chair when I yell it. It has nothing to do with Alabama. This is entertainment. Well is just doing entertainment right now. And after, it's just a game. This is me versus deep state. Yeah, it's really just a game. It's just a game.

It's just a game. But this thing, people do sometimes when you've given them every reason to feel away and then you feel that way and then they act differently than the way that made you feel how you originally felt. And they're like, you had the audacity to feel that way. Yeah. Yes. And I'm going to tell you why.

Because you were terrible in Atlanta last time I saw you. Highly ineffective. Some people didn't even think you should be in the playoff. Yeah. I defended you. I went to bat for you. And you're giving them all the ammunition that he'll ever need slash they will ever need. So, yeah, I think there was a little bit of reason to doubt Alabama.

Absolutely. They overcame. Okay, now they get to go against Indiana. And that's a game we're going to cover post-Christmas. But that one, we got Miami, Ohio State. We got Oregon, Texas Tech. That's the big tense chance to flex and just knock everything on its ear. And Indiana can run the football.

Indiana's got Fernando Mendoza. And we talked about the drop punt. you saw the drop punt. Yeah. Before that drop pump. Hey, he just dropped it. He just dropped it. He just dropped it.

He literally just dropped the ball. Yeah, he dropped it. I'm glad you saw that. But before that, on that third and three where Minterer kind of makes it happen, he's got old buddy down the field. He just drops the ball. Yeah. Like that right there would have been 24-7. Yeah.

Yeah. And Alabama, like, their defense is pretty clear now. What they want to do is they want to play zone and back up and not give up X plays. And they're like, hey, well, as you just pick us apart up and down the field. Who can do that? Indiana all day long. It's what they can do. In a very nice way.

In a very nice way. And the most robotic computer way you can possibly ask for. Yeah, they're going to have to find some more like offensive just production because again, you look at them in the first part of the year until essentially what, like November, whenever they started to play South Carolina. Like Alabama's offense and you go and if you look at box scores and everything else, like they're averaging well over like 21st downs per game. And that kind of just goes away.

like when you look at their body of work at the late part of the year, which is where all the doubt crept in, is something wrong with Ty, is something going on with the offense, they can never really run the football. But they're only averaging around, it's like south to 15, like south of 15 first down, where they're just, they haven't had a whole lot of production. You're kind of hanging on explosive plays. Like, they scored 34 points in that game, and you look everywhere else, whether it's on the box score, everywhere. I can't believe that there was, what was the total in that game?

41 and a half? Yeah, but both teams combined scored like one. But over 60 points, 58 points? Yeah. Yeah, 58 points. I'm just, it did not feel like a game where both teams where you just generate 58 points.

Yeah. No, it was just explosive plays and then miscues on whoever's fault it was. We're going to, for this show, we'll say it was the wide receivers, the punter, like, just crazy stuff. Yeah, but if you take, if you take, so that, the pick six, that's a defensive score.

Just take it off the board. Take the three points they got from the muffed punt or muffed handling of the pun off the board. board. Even if you shave 10 points off that, still 48 points. It didn't even feel like a game where 48 got scored. Right. It's pretty crazy. And then you had the couple missed field goals there at the end, too, which I know that buddy was in hell mentally missing those field goals. Yeah. Yeah, he had to be dying. Hey, it's us to Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news?

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It was extremely windy there. It was more windy than the night before. I think once Miami realized we're sort of. sinking in our teeth a little bit and Marcel Re's not running the ball on us, which mobile quarterbacks don't against Miami. Once they realized that, it was like, we're not going to let Carson Beck lose the game,

is how I felt they handled it. Fletcher, you know, they got a four-quarter approach. They think that they can bust the game open in the fourth quarter on the ground. They did. So they were able to stick to that, but they were able to stick to that because defense allowed them to.

And so I'm sitting there the entire time thinking, okay, rewind one year ago, Miami's having to score 40 every game with Cam Ward doing it basically on his own so they have a shot to win because defensively they're just atrocious and they made a personnel change and went and got a new defensive coordinator

Corey Heatherman out of Minnesota they made a huge deal about it internally probably went under the radar a little bit nationally well now look at them and look at the ability imagine me telling you a year ago Miami a year from now is going to lose Cam Ward I'm not even going to tell you who they're going to get at quarterback

they're just going to portal in a guy But there's no way he's going to be as good as Cam Ward. So you're thinking downgrade there. Then I'm going to tell you they're going to go on the road in a playoff game. So they are going to make the playoff. That's great. They're going to go on the road. They're going to score 10.

And that's going to be good enough to win a game. It would have sounded insane. Yep. And yet they did it. You bring a great point too. Like imagine this Miami team had Cam Ward on it. Yep. Or imagine.

Exactly. Just imagine Cam Ward in a fraction of this defense last year. Yeah. They're in it and they're probably they have a good chance to win it. Actually, outside of just the missed field goals, that was brutal. That poor kid, man. I felt so bad for him. But I was actually enjoying watching the defensive battle.

I mean, Miami, and M2, but just flying around with their hair on fire, tight windows. And I'm thinking which quarterback's going to like step up in the spotlight and really, you know, neither of them. They're really leaning on neither one of them. It felt like in the first half, Marcel Reed's going to be the one to kind of like step up and finishes. He had a deep shot down. Like he did a play action, scrambled around a little bit, had a guy wide open and the left side of the field. got that and they stalled out, ended up getting nothing on that. It kind of felt like if there's a quarterback that's going to win you the game, it felt like Marcel Reed, Ruth and Carson

Beck throughout it. Yeah. And there's going to be plays that I know Marcel Reed's watching where just like timing and rhythm, he's going to want plays back, where I feel like when you're going against Ohio State, Julian will thrive more in some big situation. So I'm excited to kind of watch the Miami defense against the Ohio State offense. There's one more thing that's happening right now. Lanning's dealing with it. Elko dealt with it. It's this thing with the abnormal hiring cycle where your staff gets new jobs but then they're still coaching through the playoffs so elko is losing both of his coordinators Colin Klein took the kansas state job like he's going to be a head coach well he's still your offensive coordinator baitman is leaving as well so i was talking to some folks

about the dynamics that that creates in a building and on one hand it's really really weird for prep because on one hand you're you're very happy that your guys are getting opportunities but jobs not finished So your most important games are coming up, and the attention span is fragmented from your, theoretically, your second, third, most important guys on your staff. But also, here's where Rubber really meets the road. If I'm head coach here, and you're my OC and you're my DC, you're getting looks because we're winning, probably. So then you get hired as a head coach, and you get hired as a head coach.

But the way it works is you don't just leave and say bye. You leave, and you've got to put a staff together. And the first instinct you have is to look right back in my building. because I've got a building full of top-level people in nutrition, strength and conditioning, your own support staff, like whatever the case may be. So I go from wishing you well, congratulate you, I may have even recommended you for the job to, I don't want you taking my staffers. And so I'm fighting against you and against you to keep people in my building who you only got an opportunity to work around

because I gave you an opportunity and you did your job. So we're even there. imagine sitting in a staff room where we're having to work together to put together a game plan to try and get ready to go win a game hopefully multiple games and I'm also competing against you kind of to keep staffers yeah that's not an easy dynamic this all happening quietly too yeah yeah it gets allowed then there's an argument yeah yeah throws every thing throws the entire like NFL if a coach gets hired and he's trying to bring guys on uh coaches for other teams can block guys leaving unless it's like a pay raise or not a pay raise but like uh you get elevated

as far as your role goes. Great question. Like they can't make a lateral move. They can't make a lateral move. Like there was multiple times like LaFlor when he left. I know Vrable blocked a couple people from leaving because like,

hey, I want you guys here and you're taking a lateral move. So he would keep those guys in the building. This will shock you. None of that exist in college. Oh, man. Yeah, college football is the best right now. There's no...

I'm getting fucked up. My school is getting probably the run of it right now. But it is awesome. Yeah, that would be tough. Because again, if you're the head coach the situation, you're doing everything you can to pour into the situation that be, which is, hey, we want to win the national title, win the couch world playoff.

Then whenever I know in my brain, if all of my prep and all my stuff gets done, once I get moments of time where I feel like I would be finding whatever the creative ways are, whatever you're obsessing about within the team, now that I'm going to be a head coach, I feel like all that free time now would be going into, whether it be the relationships inside the building, hitting people up outside, like, hey, what's your situation going on with this school? I'd be putting more toward into what my future is going to be at my next school because now I'm about to take my first head coaching job. And if coaches, they know this in the building, like, what is our actual chances of winning

a national championship? Like, I'm sure there was, like Texas A&M saw where their flaws were and then saw the road and realize our flaws don't match up. Can't be hidden through these future teams. So once you can make that decision, you're as an OCRD and now as a head coaching job, it's even more of a reason to go and, hey, let me focus on what I got going on here. So maybe I can be the head coach here someday or somewhere else. And the important thing to remember now that we go into quarterfought around is Dan Lanning's dealing with us.

He's losing both coordinators. So keep that in mind as you start to think about the Orange Bowl. How do I think they match up with Texas Tech? Well, that other factors in the room. I know no way you can quantify that because it probably works different program to program case by case. So you just never know. Culture by culture. And we're, I know Tosh is going to Cal.

Where's the OC going? Kentucky. Head coach at Kentucky. Yeah, it's like unless you're going to, I feel like I'm kind of zooming out, unless you're going to like an SEC or Big Ten or like a really good job where you feel like there's going to be a lot more resource help to where people can kind of do some of these things, some of these responsibilities that you deem as a priority

and you've got people that can handle it. If you're going to like an ACC or Big 12 school, where I feel like there's going to be more urgency there for you to have more responsibility because you don't have all the same resources and backing that, like the Big Ten, some of these prominent Big Ten and SEC schools have. Yeah. What, um, we interrupt this episode to bring you True Classic, specifically the True Classic Pima T-shirts.

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Would you guys make a few other two games? I just, all I did was look at the app. I learned that through the show. You can just go on the app and say, I'm Googling the scores. I put out my little goat Jurassic Park photo. I saw that.

No context and just waited for the scores to roll on. It seemed like Tulane got a whole lot better. They only lost 41 to 10 as opposed to 45 to 10. So a four-point swing from the last time they played. And then Oregon, they refused to cover.

I go ahead, JME and let him get back into, was that? You could really tell who did and didn't watch that game by the amount of people who said, Oregon didn't even cover, bro. Yeah. They gave up 34. They gave a 500 yards of offense.

And I said, well, the University of Oregon logo gave up 34. The guys on the field in the second half were very, very clean jersey, unfamiliar names because they rolled out their twos and threes in the second half. Because you are so inferior they treated the second half as like an FCS tune-up game. Yeah. They treated it like the last preseason. Like a preseason game before the playoffs. Let's see what these guys got for next year.

Yeah. So I'll do. respect, five possession lead in the first half was the big takeaway. It's 34 to three before the half. Right. Yeah. That's the takeaway. Yeah. And your two is score of 16 more points. So is it's a time that we now just move on from G5s. What are we changing the structure in cultural? Does something actually change going into the next year? I think something's got to change. There's been so much chaos that year that I feel like the structure, I like to hope to believe like there's going to be some type of movement. Yeah. Some type of restructuring, some type of figuring out a different process,

because nobody wants to see those games. No. You know what I mean? Like, hey, in this structure, they deserved it, they got in. They were, their conference championships were ranked higher than the ACC ones. So, you know, Duke or, yeah, Duke doesn't get in. Yeah, so we were saying is based on the structure of a college role playoff, the teams that got in and should have been in the playoff. Based on the current rules as they exist, those two teams should have gotten in based on the rules as they exist. Question is, do we change the rules? that. Do I agree with what? What he just said. Well, there's no arguing

it. It's just fact. The G5 teams got in because of the current structure? Yeah, I'm talking to the structure of college football. The teams they got in are supposed to get in. Are you walking me into something? No, I'm just asking if you agree with that or not. Do I agree with the current structure? No. The way the structure was, the teams that were in were supposed to be in because of the current structure, now we need to change something.

Yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter what my... Then we did walk him into something. I know what you were doing. I didn't know what you were doing at first, but you just made him say roll tied. That's what you made him do. I made him say roll tide. Miami should have been in Notre Dame. We understand why they're out now. I don't agree with the current structure. But you do want to blow the structure up. Yeah, I want to blow the structure up. I think we all want to blow the state up. I think we've all been aligned. Our paths to getting there were different, but we all believe that the college football playoff needs to be different next year. Most people think

that. Most people believe that. Very few people, if we straw-pulled America, college football America. Very few people are saying, I like it exactly how it is right now. Yeah. One of the biggest things that need to change is the second round needs to be a home advantage. Yeah.

I would love to see that. I would love to see Texas Tech having a home game. Like the teams that got buys, the teams that were one through four, like they get to have a home game in the college school playoff. Right. Because what we saw last year,

the team like Oregon who had a buy, they were not prepared. They looked a little rusty going to their game and get mop by Ohio State. Like now Oregon, gets a little tune-up game against JMU. Ole Miss gets a tune-up game. Now they get to go in a little more fresh

versus these teams that had buys. And if it goes the same way it went last year, it's like they're in a much better position, play more football. To go back to your thing about the G5, like everyone's spoken their piece on it. Then the result hit you in the face again the other day. And you got two blowout games.

So I warned you last week. I said, if these games are close, there's going to be a ton of bad faith argument out there. Well, they weren't close. So then, now, this is my opinion. you got more bad faith argument or maybe flawed argument on the other side. So I, like both of you, don't really love the idea of G5 teams just being kind of gifted a spot in the playoff. It doesn't make logical sense to me, but I know why it does exist. I'm not anti-G5 or anything like that, but I know

why it exists. But my take on it has never been they're going to get blown out. That's why they don't belong in. They happen to get blown out because they're inferior teams. But whether it was a three-point game or a 300-point game, I don't really care. I just, I talked to you about. last week this strength of schedule and how I think there's a certain bar you should have to clear and most G5 schedules do not allow you to do that. It's not their fault. That's why I would love a G5 playoff. Probably what shocked me the most about this whole era is I thought G5 fans would be on board with the concept of a G5 playoff if it had like a full financial ambillical cord attached to it. Because you say G5 playoff and the first thought is, oh, you're choking us off of the big

playoff, which means we're going to die on the vine over here because we don't have an money to survive. No, I would love to just pump money into that thing. Yeah, they see it as everybody wanted to put them at the kids. Yeah, which, which that is, it's brutally honest. That is what you're doing. It's the reality. It is just a tier of college football that's beneath the likes of. I mean, it's so stupid to think Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana State play the same sport. They don't. They play the same sport from a rules perspective, but from a resource perspective, we're on opposite sides of the Grand Canyon looking at each other. Yeah. Okay. So I'm always a G5 playoff guy, but then I get pushed back on that.

So like I'm, okay, it's not like I'm hard and fast on that. That's just how I'd like to see it because it makes sense to me. But if you're not agreeing on that, what is your proposal? And I had a lot of people say, all right, my proposal is G5 teams should only get in if they're ranked in the top 12. I'd be totally fine with that. I'd be totally fine with that. The question becomes if you don't give them a guaranteed seat at the table, but there are automatic bids for other conference champs, do you run the risk?

of a lawsuit. And then the third thing that I started to see some people broached this past weekend for the first time is what if there is a lawsuit? What if you just let them take you to court? Lose the battle, pay the check, and then go about it however you want to anyway. So there are a lot of different thoughts out there. Yeah. And in your opinion, what is the fastest way or the best way to fix it? And it has to be legally? It doesn't have to be legal. You've got to basically just decide whatever your structure is going to be, 12 teams, 16 teams, whatever. I think they're always going to have one spot. I think they're always going to have one guaranteed spot at the table. I assume that that's probably not going anywhere unless, and this is why I go to the G5

playoff thing, if you created a separate playoff and there was the promise of a huge payday in that playoff, that's the only thing that I theoretically believe could convince G5 presidents and athletic directors to look at it. I don't know if they would do it. But if you put out this, Not an idea, but like a fully formed plan. Here's the media partner. Here are the major advertisers. Here's the payoff. Here's the subsidy.

Here's what you're going to get if you're in it. Here's what you're going to get if you win it. Everyone's going to get something. You're not going to die on the vine over here because you got detached from the main playoff. Once the money part's taken care of, then you tell JMU or Tulane, you're going to compete in a tournament where you can actually win. Like right now, JMU's goal is get to the playoffs so I can get beheaded. Tulane's goal, their North Star is we can get into the playoff so we can get annihilated. So it's never made sense to me.

But G5 folks, many of them will look you straight in the eye and say, nope, we'd much rather have that than our own separate tournament. Yeah. Boggles my mind. And even the level of separation too, like everybody on JMU's roster or Tulane's roster, even though they're going in to get beheaded in the college world playoffs, basically everybody's goal in that building is play well enough to then get picked up from somebody bigger. You know what I mean? It's like, hey, we got into the playoff this year. Can't wait for all of us to come back, like, strengthen this. If we get an IL, we're coming back, JMU Tulane.

We're coming for blood next year. Yeah. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Even if they were to win, you know, they probably never win a game. But if they won a game... You can see them winning a game. Let's just say they won a game in a simulation.

Then the mindset for everybody still on that team is the exact same. We're putting film out. Yeah, yeah, we're trying to level up. Like, every coach is trying to get a bigger job. Every player is trying to get plucked by somebody from the P4. Now here's what the intellectually dishonest counter argument would be. Okay, isn't every kid that may play for TCU trying to do that for Texas? Isn't every kid that plays at, I don't know, like Arkansas trying to do that for Alabama?

Like people will say that. The answer is yes. The difference is you've got to at some point pool teams based on some kind of competition. The comparability is resource. That's just like when people say, well, yeah, JMU got blown out against Oregon, but Tennessee got blown out against Ohio State last year. Does that mean Tennessee doesn't belong in the playoff? Which is one reason I don't track in that argument because they can get you on that.

No, it doesn't mean that. Because Tennessee has comparable resources to Ohio State. They have athletes that can compete on the field with Ohio State. Like, yes, they got blown out in that game. The difference is if you play that game a hundred times, there's some very competitive games. There's some Tennessee wins in there, believe it or not. There are no JMU wins over Oregon, and it's not because you don't believe in them or think they should have a shot.

It's because there is a certain facet, like there's a certain level in football where it's a non-starter. Like it's, I call it the freeze point a lot of times. Water, if it's 33 degrees or 103 degrees, will not freeze. It has to be 32.4 or lower, 32.6, whatever it is, before it freezes. those rosters don't meet the freeze point. They don't even get close to meeting the freeze point. And so, like, I just think that if you're looking at an Arkansas, Alabama versus a JMU Oregon, you're intellectually dishonest if you're making that argument.

Because even if you're making the argument, you know Arkansas, Alabama versus JMU Oregon are totally different classifications of, quote unquote, separation. You've got to classify teams and group teams at some point. There's going to be a worst and a best in any bubble. The difference is if the bubble's 30 teams deep versus 130 teams deep, that first bubble makes a lot more sense to me. Okay. Which bracket does Notre Dame fall in?

Which tournament do they get in? I would put them in the head bubble. I would just make them earn their way in like everyone else. Which they didn't this last time. But they got a new, we wrote a new law for them, right, to get in? Yeah, no, that's a great law. It's a great law. It's interesting.

Notre Dame is being everybody that played a variety of game. Let's play the game where there's a G5. There's a G5 tournament every single year. Let's say one school will just say JMU or Tulane win that tournament like five or eight out of ten years. Just like the FCS in North Dakota State. Right. And they're just over and over and always crushing it. And then you have like the lower SEC Bay 10 schools that are constantly at the bottom over and over and over again.

Is there a relegation? Promotion of relegation. Is there a world that you would want to live in? Yeah, I'll tell you what else. would love to do. I would love that to exist. I would also love, I think they do this in European soccer. I know nothing about European soccer. They do promotion relegation. What they also do is pay, I forget what the term is, but it's a fee basically. If you're JMU and I'm Oregon and I take five of your players, I am paying a penalty to you to take those players from you, which I've

always thought should exist. Right now, it's a joke what P4 does to the G5, but it's also a joke what the G5 does to FCS. It's not like this. is a one-way street here. Like the G-5, I was talking to a guy from Mercer the other day, which is just an FCS school in Macon, Georgia, but they're pretty good. They go play the big boys every year, take their check, take their beating. He laid out their roster and which players have been poached and what they're being offered. And it's like Georgia State came and got this kid, Troy came and got these kids, UAB came and got these kids. So the G-5 does the same thing. It's just much less talked about because no one cares about the FCS, relative to talking about P-4-G-5.

I would love for there to be a restitution structure anytime you're taking talent because that's really what in the long run could reinvest in those programs and help them level up to where eventually they're consistently good they can retain their players and then if they're good enough

they can be promoted up a level and if you suck at that upper level you're not taking advantage of your resources you could fall down the ladder. Now I just said that in like two minutes that's very easy. You got so many spider webs to untangle there with conference affiliation

not to name the other few to where yeah it's very difficult to make that a rule or make that the new structure but we're just playing perfect unicorn world here right yeah we got a blank we got a we got a blank sheet it's doing yeah fix it however we want to yeah yeah for me it's just that everybody who loves college football the sport is becoming more and more popular every year a lot of people hey it's my favorite sport to watch just when you're looking at the playoffs this is the most, you know, competitive, you want the most competitive tournament possible in our favorite sport that we're all watching. Yeah, that vibe Saturday night was bad. Yeah, it's like the Oregon JMU and then Tulane Ole Miss, like, you're watching A&M, Miami, you're watching Bama, Oklahoma,

and then the other games, like, you're checking in to see, is there even going to be a fighting shot? Oh, it's 34 to 3. I don't even care to watch the rest of this football game. Oh, JMU ended up putting 34 points on the board. I wonder if it was against backups, whatever it is. Yeah. But you're not, You just, you don't care to watch those games at all. And like, imagine the world, I know, obviously I spout about the Notre Dame stuff, but imagine Notre Dame, BYU, or Vandy that would have been in the playoff or in some of these games this year. Yeah. You're like tuned in, excited to see what's going to go down.

Yeah, because now you're watching real conferences, real independence that say, hey, we're just as big as the big dogs. We're going to go prove ourselves because everybody wants to see the power for is like, who is the best. At the end of this year, we're going to have the conversations, whoever was the national championship, whatever, if it's Big Ten, SEC, we're all going to sit there and be like, this is the best conference now. The top of the top is the best conference. You're not getting that without getting like Vanderbilt to go to Oregon. That would have been a game. I think we all tuned into it. Hell we even maybe go to. Because we have multiple dogs in that fight. I think we make

the trip to Eugene over going to A&M Miami. Right. Right. You're right. There was like there was two games this weekend. Everything else was, hey, congratulations. If there happened to be that G5 team that is ranked in the top 15, top 12, whatever. Cincinnati from five years ago. Yeah, like you're still, you'd be curious, like let's see if they can rock with the big dogs. If they do, it's much more entertaining and fun to watch. We all knew how these games were going to go down over the league. It's always obvious when a G5 team actually belongs in the playoff. There have been several Boise's, a couple of UCFs, that Cincinnati team from just a few years back before they joined the Big 12.

Those teams, Cincinnati made the four team playoff. And I remember vividly saying, yeah, I think they belong in. I didn't push back on it. It's not like you're blanketly anti-G-5. It's you want deserving teams in the playoffs. Right. The other thing is I don't believe in comparing basketball to football at all. But for the people who do go down that road of comparing the NCAA tournament, March Madness to the college football playoff, and they're like, man, we want a Cinderella, blah, blah, blah.

I enjoy watching like a George Mason go up against Duke in the first round. Point spread maybe 24 and a half, but there is something in the back of my mind that tells me this could happen. It's unlikely, but it could happen. Also, I enjoy watching the kids have that experience. There is nothing fun to me about watching JMU or Tulane be on the same field in any kind of competitive playoff environment with legit like top 10 caliber Big Ten and SEC teams. And the other dirty secret from the past, two dirty secrets from the past. The first dirty secret is most of the great G5 teams people use in these arguments to prop up the G5 will never exist again because all the talent got. rated in the modern age. Number two, and this is one that gets pushed back, but I don't care

because I know it's true. Most of the examples people use Utah, Alabama, UCF, Auburn, whatever the case may be. It was a G5 team playing their Super Bowl against some SEC or Big Ten team that missed out on their goal and now they're playing a consolation bowl game. So you've got disproportionate motivation and buy-in. This last weekend is actually what it looks like when a G5 inferior opponent gets the full focus of a power program. That's what that actually looks like. I had an Auburn kid in 2017. They beat Alabama and Georgia.

Then they go to the SEC championship game. Carrie and Johnson's hurt. They get beat by Georgia. And they go from thinking they're going to go to the playoff or whatever, win the SEC to they're going to play in the Peach Bowl against UCF. I had one of the kids telling me this is not one of the six biggest games of our season. UCF has a banner in their building because they won that game. Yeah.

Just to give you an idea of how different that was. All said. Yeah. I think we covered it. Yeah. Is there anything, boys, do we miss anything in the back here? Jared, I know you're a big cultural football guy. Is there anything you got?

Shout out Oklahoma. Shout out Oklahoma. Thank you for the hot dogs. Thank you for the hot dogs. Yep. As an observer of the weekend, it was like, I'm sitting there. I'm hearing about what happened to the boys.

What happened in my? boys. Then I see Pate's got his roll-a-dex of content coming out where he's on a few of all those things. I'm like damn. There's levels to the show. Yeah, there's a level there. And all the things, all the things that went down, I'm sitting

there at the end, we're flying back. Jared's sleeping with his mouth wide open. J.P. and I'm having a good conversation. I'm just thinking the one-time Will doesn't come with us. It all falls apart. Deep State. It's where I'm going to have to go and tell Clump what happened, tell USPN what happened, and I'm going to have to get on the phone with

will and be like this is what happened and it sucked I see my boy just in the top row like like the wind blowing eating popcorn and then I go to Pate's timeline he's in the beach backstage petting the dog yeah he didn't get the red carpet rolled out he's you know what we you know what's good for bus with the boys though is this has been 2025 has been an incredible year for us it's been awesome I mean our relationship the locker room the traveling all the things doing ESPN We have been like Icarus, dude. We have been flying towards the sun.

It was about damn time. We fell a little bit. So actually, shout out Oklahoma, because we needed a good humbling. We needed it. Go ahead. On that topic, on the flight there, do you remember you just being like, man, everything is perfect? Dude.

Yes. And it wasn't the flight to Oklahoma. It was a flight from Oklahoma after everything happened. And I'm thinking, dealt with a bad egg. Like, that happens sometimes. And I'm like sitting there reflecting with all the boys. Like how cool is this year been? And it feels like every year is its own like whole lifetime that takes place.

You gave it a positive speech. Yeah. And we're all like kind of shaking our heads being like, yeah, dude, it's awesome. Go to sleep, wake up. Hell is taking place. And I literally have somebody from ESPN saying what people said about you guys in Oklahoma, they reference it to a terrorist attack. I can't believe you can even fly.

You should be on a no-fly list right now. Taylor's sleeping. The boys are sleeping. I'm snagged up in my bed, dude. Holiday in, I'm like, oh, this is a good humbling for us. Like, we stay at Ritz Carlton for the S.C.J.D. We're in the good times right now. Oh, let's get in this holiday in.

Like, oh, we're slow-me. Everyone's great beds are actually relatively comfortable, too. Sit there, wake up. Ah, decent night's sleep. Look at my phone. Hell. Grenade. Great.

Hell. I got to tell you. I got to tell you. I told you off air. I'm going to tell you on air. I'm at Oklahoma Fairmount. I storm chase in Oklahoma. National Weather Services on the campus.

of the University of Oklahoma. So me and Oklahoma, so I vouched for Oklahoma. However, I vouch for you as well. And so I think probably from a mediator's standpoint, I got work to do. Maybe I take this personally. Maybe this is kind of on me.

I haven't taken responsibility for anything on this show all year. So maybe it's time, December 22nd, maybe it's time for me to take my first L. So I'm going to fix this. I got to find a way to fix it. I'm going to tell you our game plan.

We've set our piece. I'm now going to sit back and pretend like it never happened until somebody leaves that for me. I'm just going to sit in the pocket and I'm like, hopefully it gets figured out. It's not worth stressing about. I had Christmas shopping to do where I'm like kind of stressed about that.

Same. Oh, God, yeah. God, yeah. God, yeah. God, God, he's funny. That's right.

Yeah, yeah. The perfect way this ends is us storm chasing with Josh and that one individual would make them come with us. Yeah, yeah. And has a tornadoes coming.

Just for clarification. I don't want to clarify what I just did. What in the world happened here? Don't even worry about it. You'll find out when we go storm chasing. Someone just died. Someone fell out. Wow.

Okay, well, from an insurance, from an insurance perspective, I can't allow that to have. I'm kidding. I would never. Big Cuck, sunny kisses. Merry Christmas. We love you. Subscribe.

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