Bussin' With The Boys - Josh Pate Breaks Down Winter Storm Fern + Are Indiana & Miami Here To Stay? | Bussin'

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

Recorded: January 26th 2026 | On this episode of Bussin’ With The Boys, Taylor Lewan welcomes Josh “The Weatherman” Pate for a conversation that somehow blends natural disasters with college football chaos — perfectly on brand. The show opens with Taylor breaking down why it is just him on the show as Will is stuck without power and phone service. Josh joins Taylor to breakdown what exactly made Winter Storm Fern so dangerous and catastrophic. He gets into the science behind freezing rain, why it’s so dangerous, and what it means for cities like Nashville when Mother Nature decides to go nuclear. Once the storms pass, it’s time to talk ball. The boys react to the CFP National Championship and give their biggest takeaways from the title game, including what it means for the future of the power balance in college football. They debate whether Indiana’s run is a flash in the pan or a sign of real staying power, and question if Miami is headed for a tougher road than expected next season. To wrap it up, the crew looks ahead at some of the sport’s biggest brands and their outlooks moving forward. Michigan and Alabama both get the microscope as the boys break down expectations, pressure, and what success looks like next year. As well as what it will look like for Ohio State after they hired Arthur Smith and what that move could mean for the Buckeyes offensively. If you are in need of an escape from everything, look no further than here. Come join the boys for a fun hang and fun listen. Please stay safe out there and as always, big hugs tiny kisses. TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro2:33 Weekend Recap6:19 KNF Clean Take12:09 Is Taylor Going To Bring Zips To Nashville?23:20 UFC 324 Recap32:49 JOSH PATE INTERVIEW STARTS33:00 Will Is In Hell With No Power35:14 Josh “The Weatherman” Pate47:11 Chasing Tornadoes 57:46 Light At The End Of The Tunnel For Nashville?1:01:29 The Science Of Freezing Rain/The Damage It Can Cause1:14:30 CFP National Championship Takeaways1:19:36 Is Indiana Here To Stay?1:25:09 Is Miami Going To Struggle?1:29:39 Will Michigan Be Back?1:34:18 Alabama & Kalen DeBoer Outlook1:40:07 Ohio State Hiring Arthur Smith1:46:30 Bud Light QuestionSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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thoughts and prayers. We break all that down with our guests today. You'll see our guest, Josh Pay. He is a great weatherman. He knows all of the things. It's absolutely incredible. But our hearts go out to everybody that is dealing with power outages, food supplies, staying warm. It's like it's a very difficult time. On this bus, we've had a couple guys in the back right now, Jeremy Kump, Jack McPherson, Mitch Carsley. The boys are sitting back here, made a trek just to get this podcast done. Why?

We love you. We love the viewer. We love this job. Will was unable to make it a handful of other guys were able to make it. But we have a nice little skeleton crew to try to brighten up your day in terms of chaos. If you're one of the state, cities, places that have been affected by these insane storms, which seems like it's over half of the country. that has gotten hit pretty hard.

This weekend, or Wednesday last week, Will and I headed over to Samcom in L.A. It was a great time we had. But light out there, neutral is out there, first forum, South Rasella was there. We had a great time. We had the opportunity to go on stage. We had ourselves a nice little script.

And what they're telling us about the Samcom event, it's a four or five day long week. Everybody getting together, they're having a good time. They're breaking bread. They're having a couple of drinks. So this crowd is on their last day before Samcom is all over.

We were told crowd might be a little stiff, okay? They've had late nights. They've had early mornings. They're out there networking. Have a good time. Think of all the things you do when you're trying to network in L.A. for Samcom. Well, and I go out there.

We have a script that we go over for about five minutes. Steve Wolf, he's out there helping with neutral. And boys, I'll say we got a couple of good laughs. Got a couple of good laughs from a crowd that seemed like they weren't going to be a great crowd. End up being a phenomenal crowd. And the Samcom event was absolutely incredible. incredible. From that moment, we get done a little bit early. I have a flight leaving later in the afternoon to Vegas to spend one day there. We were going to do a whole vlog with Zupa boxing,

gambling, and obviously UFC 324 that took place on Paramount. But with these storms coming in, my wife and my two kids, they're at home. I want to make sure that I'm there for them. So my decision was, I'm already in L.A. I'll go for one night. I'll fly out the next day, get in and out, boom. So I get on a quick flight. We cruise over there, hang out with Dana and the fellows. We get a nice fun night on our hands. I wake up the next morning. I jump on a plane, and I'm so grateful that I jumped on that plane.

Because Saturday happens. A little bit of a storm, nothing too crazy. Sunday morning, power starts to go out everywhere. Ice starts to fall. It's a full breakdown in here with Josh Pate of how catastrophic this storm really was. And how a lot of people from the north, I lived in the north for four years, being at the University of Michigan and Ann Arbor, snow falls all the time. There's always winter storms taking place.

In the north, people just understand how to operate with snow. And Nashville, as much as I've been here, we've gotten better and better at the snow part. This is not a snowstorm. This is an ice storm. And it's incredibly chaotic and beautiful at the same time. And I say that in a weird way because there's so much chaos, people's lives are being so affected. I woke up this morning seeing trees drooped down by ice. And there's such a level of calm with all the power outages taking place with no,

cars on the road that it's a weird beauty about it but it takes so much away from all of us um it's just insane man to see all these people being affected and it truly sucks but i'm glad i got left the west to get back to my family because i would feel horrible if i was not there with them um so i guess we're gonna start off a little clean take clean take to have a clean take real quick and i think that's just being there for people when they need you most being there for people when they need you most, I have a neighbor who has a pacemaker. Their power is out. We're lucky enough to have a generator at our house. So our house is, for the most part, powered. But we're the only one I feel like within a mile that has, unless they have a generator as well that has power.

My neighbor has a pacemaker that needs to be charged. So this morning before I even got there, came to the shop. My wife sends me a text, hey, you had to go to the neighbor's house. You got to grab their pacemaker so we can charge it for them in order for him. Essentially, this guy's got to stay alive. And we get there, him and his wife, they meet me at the door. They're kind of explaining to me, hey, we appreciate you guys doing this, but easy exchange, grab the pacemaker, plug that thing in. Once I get back from the shop, I'll go bring it back to them. But just in times of chaos, in times of all a bunch of bad things happen to a lot of people, to be able to help is just, it's a very nice feeling. And I would only hope that if somebody else

was in the position that I was in, that they would do the same thing for me. All the boys, have rallied around each other. The group chat has been firing off. Boys have been checking in each other. A lot of guys don't have power. Jack, my fearsome were the lucky few to have power right now. But Jeremy Clump making the trek 30 minutes.

How was that little drive, buddy? Was that just insane? It really actually wasn't bad at all. I have one back road I got to go through. It was pretty cleared off. And then I'm mostly highway the whole way here. And the highway was pretty good outside of, what's the all the way to the left lane that you guys have?

The HOV. they just decided to not even they didn't touch it. That one is just, that's ruined. I don't know when that'll ever be a lane again in Nashville. But it's retired for now. But there's like two lanes wide open. The worst road is the one right here.

Yeah, this road right here on the outside, dude. It's terrible. That's the worst road. Other than that, like I was driving through all over the city trying to get over here. There's a bunch of trees knocked down. But the roads themselves are actually in a good spot. And Nashville's done a great job of kind of rallying the troops

and working their ass off to get things powered back up. The trees are crazy. it might have been your wife who shared a story on Instagram of like an aerial view of Nashville possibly dude it's just crazy and it looks like a tornado went through it literally looks like a tornado went through and there's just ice everywhere it's nuts ma'am it really is I've never seen a storm like this in my entire life it's one of the craziest things I've ever witnessed clean take for me like I live closer to downtown so there's something like obviously don't get me wrong this storm everybody losing power like it 100% sucks and like it's going to take a long time for everything to get back to normal but like being downtown and where I'm at like I have like a view of like the skyline the city was so quiet and nobody on the roads it was kind of like an eerie but cool kind of feeling because you're just looking around like this is like a hustling a bustling city like there's always cars going by sirens and everything but it was just dead quiet it was actually kind of like a cool thing to just kind of stand out of.

on my balcony just like, feel like, just see the city in its most raw form. Yeah. Clean take on like, eerie feelings about a city. Clean take in moments of chaos, finding a bit of beauty. Finding a bit of beauty.

That's a clean take, Mitch. I like that take. What he said. That's a Kevin's National Food clean take right there. I love it a lot. Do you boys got any clean takes? Clean takes out here? I would double down with yours.

Clean take. Just take every opportunity. you can to help people out. Like you said, I was one of the fortunate ones. I did not lose power. People very close to me lost power, two streets away. So almost feels like the grid system shut off right before mine started, which is great. But we, I live next door to one of my really good friends, two of them actually.

And thankfully, us not having power, we were able to host and welcome in a bunch of our friends who didn't have power, didn't have heat, they have kids. We had babies running around. So we were just kind of mixed between. we're calling a house A and house B. And just just letting it rip. Everyone's bringing what they have, their food, their blankets. And so when you just have an opportunity to get the community together through kind of a stressful and chaotic time,

take every opportunity you can and just lend a helping hand. Nice. Clean take, Jack. Clean take. Clump, don't fuck this up. Now we got clean takes going everywhere. Kevin's natural foods clean take is when you go on a trip or you do something and there's like those memorable moments that just stick out in your head.

And for me, for Samcom when we went, there's a moment when Taylor looks at me and he's like, if my day's going to be bad, I'm going to ruin someone else's doing. And there's just that vibe of having fun in those moments. Like I just kept playing that story back in my head the whole weekend, the whole week,

I guess, and it was fun. Yeah, because the trip, like flying out to L.A. this time of year when we're still like in the very busy part, it was extremely inconvenient. There's no way around like,

club's playing the optimism game. We go out to dinner. I got my gout scares that have stopped me from like really eating certain kinds of foods. So I go to this dinner with all the Silver Tribe boys and I'm looking at the menu. I throw the menu to chat GPT and it's like, you can't eat any of this shit.

Maybe some salad. That's about it. So we leave the dinner for like a two hour dinner. And I'm fucking starving. And we get the car, man, and it's like overtired giggles. And I'm just like, man, fuck this. I'm going to make sure everyone.

everybody else's day around me was ruined for the next 24 hours. We ended up having a good time, though. Good time. It was fun. Good time. And then Will was trying to ruin your day. Then it flipped like the next day because he was. Yeah, Will was on some shit.

I can't remember what he was saying. We were arguing about food in Nashville for hours. Will took a crazy shot at Zips. Well, I took a shot at Nashville about like the food. And I was like, there's not like a good, healthy, like quick spot you can go to around Nashville like or a multitude of areas that like elevate like high diet, like a high live in dining in Nashville tops of the tops

like fast food like fried chicken unique places tops the tops but where's that middle class like I want to go to my local bar my local sports bar kind of hangout area and just really feel it all and like enjoy it and I was like Zips would change everything for Nashville

am I off on that Jack I mean there I don't get me wrong I love Zips the facacia the wings you can't beat it can't beat it especially under that Arizona sun No ice. But there are a handful of like Jonathan's sports bar. Amazing.

I mean, it's franchise here. Great. It has upscale dining, good beers, TVs everywhere. See, you don't even want to have a conversation about this because your mind is made up.

I agree with you that Zips would change it. But there are options here. You just don't get out. Jonathan's grill. It's a sports bar. Yeah. Never heard of it. Why don't you just become?

There's like three locations in the greater national area. But I feel like you don't get out that much. Like you're not, Taylor and Juan, you're not going to find Taylor Law at a local Nashville sports bar. There was a Zips. I would be there twice a week. Let me ask you this.

Why don't you become a franchisee, franchise owner? Franchiser. And just bring one out here. If Zips would approach me with that idea, I would absolutely love to bring Zips to Nashville. Is there like a reason it's only in Arizona or is there like? Oh, you're talking about the storyline of Zips. So there's a bar called Goldies that is over by a bunch of baseball fields in Arizona. Goldies is the OG Zips.

I don't know what happened if there was a breakup that took place, but they are the OG like Golden Wing type of spot that you go to and you're like, my God, it's incredible. They had a nice little arcade in the corner. That corner, like the old school, like you play at the Simpsons game, a couple of like California cruising type of games, but like very basic. But you go there after the baseball games, go eat there.

Somewhere in the mid-2000s, I think, like Zips just started popping a blowup place. I'm definitely getting my timeline wrong, but it seems like it's just an Arizona staple. Now, if this is, Arizona staple wants avention over across the country over to the east and hang out in Nashville Tennessee. Buddy, call me. I am in.

I am all in on a Zips coming to Nashville. I feel like if you want Zips, you've got to call them almost. I'll call them. I know. But like... Like legitimately. I am getting so hungry and want a facacia and golden wings, extra straws, extra crispy. Could you imagine like a Zipz just sit in the middle of Germantown?

Would you be worried, though, that something would be lost in the... the move like if you move the franchise or like a franchise here do you think it changes like does the flavor taste different because you're in arizona good question i don't think the flavor tastes different i would take i would essentially go down and find the best chefs of zips and be like take me through your process so when we have to go train these individuals in nashville we we got to make them so passionate about a monaco faccia and the zips golden wings that they don't miss a step If the only way to be successful in business to have like-minded people with similar passions towards what you're trying to build, that's what make things happen. And if we can find a few chefs out there that can make Zips wings, which I've telling you, delicacy.

Delicacy. You get that done, boys, or operating. So Will was being a bitch is basically what we're saying. Hearing Mitch just say how he's like craving that makes me believe even more that Zips would rock here. Zips would rip. Like hearing someone speak about food that way, especially, no offense, Mitch. Mitch is like a pickier eater. Oh, for sure.

Like, no offense taken. Hearing him just say that he wants that makes me fired up. Dude, one of the greatest feelings I've ever had in my life, in my life is when we were all in Arizona. And it's like basically the whole squad's there. And I've been talking, yeah, at the Super Bowl. I've been talking and talking and talking about Zips and how great it is. And then the moment comes where I take them to my specific Zips that I know was going to deliver,

every belly was full, every heart was happy, and every soul was cleansed. and I walked away I sat in the back of that car on the way to wherever we were going next looking at the window smiling knowing I just did God's work for my boys and there's a moment too where like as you've just explained

it's like what if they're having an off day and my whole reputation is out the window right because you only get one bro because that truly if I think of all time greatest meals I've shared with my brothers that goes up there that's that's right up there it's up there and everything

delivered that you said, and I love ordering with Taylor, especially at a place where he knows what to order, because you just sit back, relax, and just let them take the driver. That, hey, that's a clean take. That's a clean take. Just don't even look at the menu. When you have the pressure of like, what am I going to get? A couple things look kind of good, but I really don't know because it's the first time and someone's like, hey, do you guys want to do family style?

And you're like, yeah, I'll do family style. I was like, do you mind if I just start going to the specific you want? You're like, I'd like this. Like, no problem. And they order everything. and you just sit back and ingest cuisine. Clean take. Clean take.

If you've ever, another clean take, if you ever have the pleasure of dining with Taylor at a family-style meal, you will never go away from that spot feeling hungry. Oh, yeah, buddy. Oh, yeah. That's a pretty good compliment. Yeah.

Which is so funny considering you left family-style food. Right. There's so hungry. Yeah. Like duck, high and peering, steak, high-impeering. They brought pizzas on. thinking of myself 2026, I'm still on the ground, can't be eating no pizza. But yeah, dude, if we go to eat and I know like, hey, like we're not doing a split bill thing. I'm going to

pay for dinner. Like, I don't want people to be like, oh, I kind of want. They'd be sick to try the primary, but it's like, no, bro, two of them. We're doing this. We're doing that. Whenever we go to out to Vegas to eat and it's like, brother, we're putting a schmort, like there's going to be multiple dishes that might not be touched, right? We're talking about first world problems type of living. Okay? Because that, I want my boys to be fed and happy and healthy. Maybe not so healthy because of what the Zips does, but hey, I'm telling you.

I honestly think if we reached out to Zips, like we could, you could, busting what the boys could legitimately get it out here. Yeah, I agree. If they're interested in partnering with us and we could franchise the Zips out here, Nashville will never be the same. It'll be the boom.

It'll be the boom. The unreal. Dot com boom. AI boom. Would we get our all, like would there be like a Jack Mac Faccaha

A clump cursed Faccaha Clump curse wings would go Yeah they're super spicy Energy vampire Margarita Like the worst ones That could that would be

Yeah something Hey we would have some specialities What I'd also like to do If this was a bust with the boys type of thing Makes suit like a lot of things unique to like we'll put the jerseys We'll have a classic sports bar feel

But everybody would have like a tag on their booth like there would be a boot, like a McPherson booth. There'd be a Susquehanna, Jersey in the rafter. They, we'd have to have a Susquehanna, Jersey in the raft. Dude, and also, like, you guys know, your boy's not a big boozer anymore, but the zipporitas they make there, any person that's had a beverage at zips

and they've had a zipporita, life changing, life changing. And we'd add a little Nashville to it as well. Outdoors have a little bit of some cornhole going on, outdoor games. You can have a little fun while eating a Monaco, facetia with extra jalapeno dipping sauce are you fucking me right now dude

I'll tell you right now one neighborhood that desperately needs a good sports bar is Wedgewood Houston where I live and that might be the best spot telling you it's up and coming something to think about something to think about

I'm so hungry right now buddy hey I never had this and I want it bro I'm telling you and I wouldn't want to take you to the Nashville one just yet I want to make sure it's down I got to take you to Via de Ventura and Hayden and get you in the corner at that zips because I'm telling you

because when I sit with you I let the waitress know like honey sweetheart baby I eat here like once a year and when I come in here I eat to die like I'm trying I'm trying to gorge myself tell the chef in the back to add a little extra love to all these dishes because I need this and you know what they do every time they smile they give me a wink and the food's perfect the food's perfect Clean take when a waitress says, like, I got you. I'm going to take care of you. If they actually follow through. Yeah.

That tip goes crazy. That tip goes nuts. Goes from 20 to whatever. Yeah, to whatever you. Sometimes, you, when I go to Zips, because, hey, not only is a delicious, it's also affordable, I'll match the bill with the tip. I'll match it. If they do what you just said, Mitch.

I'm going to take care of you. Don't worry about it. You said what? That's a clean flex. It's a clean flex. Clean flex. You gotta have it, dude. You gotta have it.

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Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special.

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Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman, Help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?

We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Awesome fight. Our bellies are hungry, but you know it's not the viewership on UFC, man. They absolutely crush this paramount thing. people were saying a couple things about commercial

sticking place where the walkouts are happening. To me, dude, it's $8.99, quit bitching. And I didn't notice any commercial. Like, I saw so many people complain about that. Right. Bro, it was like a normal, it felt like a normal flow is awesome. Yeah, no. How do you complain for not having to pay for a paper view?

Yeah. I feel like most of the commercials that I was noticing that it's kind of like out of the ordinary was, it'd be like a picture and picture where they'd still have the broadcast going in a smaller screen and then they'd throw up said advertising, which never bothers me. I'm, you know, running to grab something or, you know, I can go take a place. And let's not forget what commercials do for us.

Give us an opportunity to look at our phones, check in with people. If it's nonstop, actually over and over again, it's like watching a movie. It's like, I can't wait to talk about this when it's over. Now you get a little break here and there to talk about it. She's the new way they're doing their bonuses. Yeah, the bonuses are money. So they're doing $100,000 for fight of the night. And if you finish somebody, it's an extra $25,000.

So if you finish somebody in a UFC fight, the person that finished the individual, they get $25,000. On top of what they're already making. So now we're back into the rising tide, lifts all boats. UFC fighters are loving this Paramount fight as a Paramount Plus deal because their games now also get elevated. Their pockets are getting elevated. And this, dude, this fight did not disappoint at all.

Sugar Sean Amalei versus Song Yadong. Song Yadong. Back and forth, people are a little upset because they think Sean O'Malley should have not won that fight. You think it was a setup for a comeback. I mean, really if shot, If Sean lost that fight, his career in the U.S.C., by no means is it over. Right.

But it absolutely is in jeopardy for being main event cardworthy, because that would be his third loss in a row. Who knows what it is? I think I love seeing Sean win. I think America loves seeing Sean win. Friend of the show. Friend of the show. But man, that $100,000 five bonus has to be going to Patty and Justin Gagee.

There's no doubt. And hopefully it goes straight to Patty because, as he says, scowsers do not get knocked out. And he did not. I mean, truly, that dude, I mean, an absolute warrior. It's like every opportunity Justin Gaci had to knock him out and could have it feels like. And Patty just, I mean, relentless. Relentless.

Was creative in his attacks. Gaci just kept coming in, head down, getting into the body a little bit. Hit him multiple times. We're talking about temple shots, jaw shots. There was a graphic that came up and it was like significant hits and it shows the body. Yeah. 54, I think we were in the third round, 54 significant shots. hits to the head for Patty the Batty.

And he's still getting up his face. My God, at the end of the fight, it looked crazy. But even when he's sitting there and I love how they do the corners and they can hear the people talking about what the strategy is and all that, Patty's talking normal. During like he, while his face is all deformed, he's still going out there and fighting, swinging his ass off. Gaci dude, a lot of credit to him. There's a lot of rumors about him possibly hanging up the gloves, putting the gloves on the canvas

when it was all finished. He obviously did not do that. He has the interim belt now. Well, I can't wait to see what happened with him. One of my favorite things about UFC is after these big fights take place, whoever the winner is, a bunch of new lore or old memories come out. And one thing I saw was somebody tried to mug Justin Gaichi at gunpoint one time in a car. And Justin Gaichi, the news report was showed the mugger and their face was destroyed.

And this person pulled a gun on Gaichi. Gaichi disarms the man and beat the shit out of him. Like, what? That's a dream scenario that you. Sea Fire. Dream scenario. It's like, go ahead and try me, buddy. Yes.

Right. Dude, and he's got a crazy quote. He was doing like a podcast one time and he's like, if one man can hold you down, two can rape you. He said that publicly and I'm watching it. And after you watch Gaichi, you're looking at going, holy shit, he's right. He's right. I see the room got a little stiff when I read that up. All right.

Jesus Christ, boys. Post fight was awesome too of that one. He said something to Patty Long Lai. of like, Patty mentioned pre-fight that he's going to bust his face up or we'll see how your face looks. And he's like, looks like your face is the one bust up or something cool like that. Just like in the moment to even have that ready to go is sick. And I like Patty, because if I'm him, I probably would have been complaining a little more about that thumb to the eye. I think that really messed him up.

And he, I'm so surprised post-fight he wasn't like that, that really impacted the fight. He lost with class, said like Justin Gage, he's a legend. It was awesome. Growing up to watch him and it takes a moment. It takes a good probably minute, minute and a half just to talk about men's mental health. Awesome. Yeah. Patty seems like a really good dude.

All time guy. Just the Scottish accent is legendary. Yeah. Clean take. He's not Scottish. He's Scouser. It's from Liverpool is what scourgers are. That may be the best accent of all time.

That might be up there. That's a take. Australians up there. Australians might have to clean take because that's a lot of opinions out there. Australian accent goes hard Just accents in general If you've never seen the viral video It's been around a lot

But it's a ring doorbell footage And Patty the batty shows up And he's like Hello miss He's like my dog Just took a messy A sloppy shit out here He's like do you have a bag

And she's like Is that potty the batty? She's like don't worry about it sweetheart I'll be there I'll clean he's like Are you sure It's a really sloppy shit It's like dude

A guy just going up on the ring To clean up his own dog That's a solid accent too Jack kind of killed right there. You kind of swung me on that one of the best actors. Yeah. But yeah, I can appreciate a man who's willing to clean up his dog's shit when when no one is looking. Yeah.

What do you do behind closed doors? Right. It's a true character of a man right there. I like it. So, but this, I mean, obviously we did it. We're doing an ad read for Paramount Plus and UFC in this episode. And it just seems like they have just fight after fight after fight. It's there.

It's going to be a hell of a year for UFC. A hell of a year. year Zufa boxing as well I know Dana just started that this year their first fight was on Friday went really well for them they're really excited he was on the podium talking about how people were to look back at the end of this year and but I can't believe they did that in one year of this boxing so Dana maybe the greatest fight promoter of all time he's now taking steps on steps on steps just adding to the legacy that is Dana White it's absolutely beautiful um let's talk about the guest seat that we have sitting right here this bud-like keg we got

are one of the best guests we have on Bustin with the boys. You might have heard a lot of rumors that are taking place about should Bud Light put a bunch of different kegs and Gillette and Lumen? Those are the stadiums for both the Seattle Seahawks and the New England Patriots. And a lot of, because both these guys are in the Super Bowl. Sources are telling Boston with the boys right now

that there might be kegs, possibly kegs, along with a lot of prizes, put in these stadiums with announcement as soon as Wednesday. So boys, keep your eyes on that, Bud Light Socials. You look at the Bud Light Socials and you're in the New England or Seattle area. Know that Lumen and Gillette Stadium quite possibly are getting Bud Light kegs along with a bunch of prizes as well. Bud Light socials will tell you those things.

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Stockup on Bud Light. Head to www. www. Budlight.com forward slash locator to find a store near you. Easy to drink, easy to enjoy. Our guest today is none other the Commissioner of College Football, Josh Pate. We have an amazing breakdown on this weather that's taking place in the southeast and the northeast,

this half of the country, the ice, how that all has. Dude, it's a very educational episode. We dive into Josh Pate's other passion aside from college football as well. The weather combo was actually like really cool to hear. Like, I feel like we could do an entire episode

just with him talking about weather. Dude, we basically, that when we touched on college football, Indiana, Oregon, Miami, Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State. So lots to talk about.

There is a story you're going to hear about, Josh Pate's grandfather. It is absurd. To the point where you think to yourself, this is not real. And he said before, hey,

when I tell you the story, you're going to think it's not real. I heard the story. I think it's not real, but also Josh Pate's never been a liar to me. So that being said, please enjoy this. Again,

the boys worked their ass off to get you here and to get you this episode. We could have sat back, said, hey, we're not going to do it. Brains got together last night in the 11th hour,

and we decided we're going to roll one, not for us, but for you, the video. So to all of you that do watch this episode, this one's for you. We appreciate you. We hope if you're in Nashville or any spot that's been hit by the weather really hard, that you are safe, you are fed, and your family is happy. Big hugs, tiny kisses.

Please enjoy this episode. Boom. Well, it's just me and Mitch here, but let's give Josh Payton around applause, Mitchie. Just a quick little. Nice clap. He made it. He did it. He got it all done.

We were just discussing the yonder over of who was going to make it to the shop today. And we clearly hit the year. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts.

We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we, how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas others. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.

And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends.

Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So we have clump, we got Jack, we got Jack. Jared, we got Sherman, we got Mitch, and we, that's it, right? And myself. So six guys made

to the shop, obviously you see to my right, we're missing our special boy. Our special boy is gone. Uh, our hearts are with him. He has one area in his house where he can get some sort of cell signal out. Last night he started firing off texts. And I'm thinking to myself, buddy, we've, we've handled this, but all good. And he's, he just panic texting over and over and over again. Should we just call this the Will Compton Memorial episode, even though he's still alive? It has to. It should absolutely be.

Because you could, dude, you could feel it. I don't know why. He would just send me text randomly like, you get this? I'm like, yeah, I got it. And there was a few hours there where I was the only person he could text. And it was the most communication I was able to have with Will outside of Bustle with the boys in three years. You could just tell he's going stir crazy.

He's losing his mind a little bit in that house all by himself. You can see when the flame on the end of the stick starts to die out and the wolves close in. And there's no more time for shields or emotional fences. You just kind of you spill your heart out because you kind of know this is it. That's been William over the past 48. Right. It's so fun for him when he's at Target and he's doing the content online. Once the self-service kicked out, he's like, oh, no.

Wait, wait, you mean, you mean I don't just get to have all fun with this, but no consequence, this is a real thing that could happen? Dude, Will Lili thought to himself, I could probably lose power, we could lose food, toilet trees, everything. But at least I got Wi-Fi no matter what. And I think it was the one and only thing that went down for him. But he did, he had a clip and I hope we put it in the show of him driving. And he's like, the roads are bad. Don't go on the roads. I'm the guy that when a tornadoes outside, I'm the dad that walks outside and has to see the

tornado. And I'm out, I'm literally watching the video outside of my house trying to feed my animals and stuff like that, thinking, all I want to do is just kind of figure out what these roads are really like right now. And it's the curiosity. So it's a big reason why women live so much longer than men. We just, the dumb curiosity. But I digress. I want to give you the floor for a second because this week, you've done an incredible job of giving Will and I updates of just saying, hey, this is what's going in. You're talking about using big words about different. graphs that are saying different things. They're the ones you believe in. It's headed north. Now, it's back south, but it's definitely going to head back north again. We're a team. We're in the

trenches. It's been a trench talk all year long in 2025 about Josh Pate being in the trenches. Now you're no longer in Nashville and you've fled south. The rumor is Josh Pate fled south because he was afraid of the weather. And I'd love for you to just speak to the masses on kind of that narrative being written about you across the nation right now. I would never say that about you, by the way. I want you to know that. You're my guy. I would never say that about you. Clump said that. Clump said that. This is one of those rare instances where the narrative's true. I wrote the narrative. I told you guys. So about a week ago, I started smartening you up to the fact that, hey, the midterm long range models are showing some stuff for us. And at that point, the stuff was just

going to be historic snowfall. And we were going to, at one point, me and Clump talked about doing this show today in the parking lot pretending that we didn't have power so we could just dead sell the fact that we were gathered around a campfire in the parking lot with like inch and hour snowfall rates piling up in our lap that was fun those were the old days right that was a while back okay then then a different word started to work itself into the equation ice now people will look at what Nashville is going through right now who grew up up north and say oh I'm used to that complete BS no one's used to ice storms. No one gets used to ice storms. Now, since I have been immersed in weather my whole life, I know what a crippling ice storm is like. So I don't run from tornadoes. In fact, you know,

I run towards tornadoes. I chase them in the spring. It's my second favorite passion. I don't flee hurricanes. I actually win Hurricane Matthew, which was our last cat five US landfalling hurricane hit in the Florida peninsula or the Florida shore. I went down there. So I don't run from any kind of weather. Only weather I will actively run from is an ice storm because it gives you the damage that a tornado gives you. You've seen the trees. So it looks like tornado damage basically. It's just way more widespread. And you're so powerless when power goes out. You're literally powerless. So I knew, and I told you guys about 72 hours ago, I don't like the way this is trending. If the GFS model doesn't make a good solid comeback here in the 11th hour, the euro is going to win. That's why they call it

King Euro. That's why they call the model King Euro this time of year. And if we were going to get what it looked like we were going to get, which we ended up getting, I don't want to be a part of it. So I don't think that there's any shame in being in relatively normal 41 degree Columbus, Georgia, in the AC hotel conference room right now, which was graciously given to me for this recording. Now the question becomes, when do I come back? Do I come back? Is there a whole left to come back? That's the question. We will rebuild. We, we, hashtag, we will rebuild. It's going to be a long and arduous process. Dude, so okay, I want to, this podcast, we can break down a little bit of college football, but I really want to know the weather.

Where did the passion come from? What the hell is GFS? You talk about the euro winning. I'm thinking democracy's done, the domestic dollar. Like, there's so many things. And you made a point when we were out, we traveled to L.A. for the Samcom, and you would hit Will and I in the group chat. And Will would say something like, we're warriors, blah, blah, blah.

We're going to batten down the hatches. And I would just be like, okay, thank you. and you'd hit us back with, Will has always got like some sort of profound, like quote from Gladiator and Taylor just says the most generic response back, because I'm reading your text and I'm thinking to myself, I got to funnel this shit all the way through Chat, GBT, GBT, just to figure out what the hell he's saying. I just know Ice Bad Snow Good. I'm a Neanderthal on this whole thing.

So where did Josh Pate's passion? Because every story you have is so unique, even the way you found college football without even playing football in high school. Where did the passion of weather come into play? All right. So when I was growing up, I went to school technically out of district. So I grew up in Harris County, Georgia, which is just north of Columbus, but it's just over the Chattahoochoo River, which means it's just over the state line into Georgia. It was in my best interest to go to school in Phoenix City, Alabama, so I could stay at Memaw's house in the afternoon until my parents got

off work. So I went to school over in Phoenix City until someone turned us in years later, and that's its own separate story. So anyway, when I would get off school, I would go over to Memo's house. and I would either watch SportsCenter or I would watch the Weather Channel or both. And I watched like some Nickelodeon, like some stuff like that. But mainly I just watched ESPN and I watched the Weather Channel. And about that time, I'm a little kid in the mid-90s. That's kind of when I first remember watching TV or anything like that. That's kind of when Twister came out.

So the concept of people storm chasing really captured me and I got sucked in. Side note, there was a timing, my kindergarten, year where because I was just glued to the weather channel all the time, I learned all my 50 state capitals by the time I was in kindergarten. Okay. And everyone rightly thought that was a lie. So the principal brings himself down to my kindergarten class one day because the kindergarten teacher was bragging about me to the rest of the school, I guess, in like the teacher's lunchroom

and the lounge and stuff like that. So principal comes down there and I think they had bet money on me amongst themselves. They had bet on whether I could, whether I knew Montpilly or something. was the capital of Vermont or whatever. And so I did. And so I think there was some cash that exchanged hands because of the weather channel teaching me my state capitals by the time I was in kindergarten. So then I grew up and like I've never, I've never relinquished that. Like I've never let that go to the point where I've talked to you off camera a lot. You ask me like, hey, when when college football gets so big, like when the channel gets so big, like what do you do? Do you go to the NFL? I don't go to

the NFL. Like my next big passion project would be. a full on weather-based platform. I would love to get into that. That is so wild to me. Then I'm sure like you just seeing these print, like this teacher and this principle going back and forth, gave you such a sense of pride at five or six years old, whatever age you were when you're able to like recite all the capitals and states

that it turned into this passion. But like people have passions. People get excited. They find identities and things that are like, oh, this is great. What made you good? Like when was the first time you're like, I'm going to take the next step, whether it's buying a weather radar system, whether it's chasing a tornado for the first time.

When was the next step for you in the passion category of weather? Okay. You're going to think I'm making this story up. So I don't know what age I was. This is going to sound like a made up story. Okay. Because it has to do with an ice storm. So there's a lot of correlation here.

When I was a kid, my grandpa died and we had to go up to Chattanooga, Tennessee. or Lookout Mountain, which is really close to Chattanooga for his funeral. So he got cremated and he wanted his ashes spread about this lake that he used to fish in, like up in the mountains in Tennessee. So I'm little. Like I'm way under 10 years old. So I kind of loosely understand what's going on. So we go up there.

It's in the middle of winter. We have, I think, a service. And then we're going to go spread his ashes the next day. So this is my mom's dad. My dad is up there as well, who you know very well. And so the forecast says there's going to be a big ice storm. So it's decided that the rest of the family, me included, we're going to go home early. My mom's going to stay up there.

They're going to spread the ashes and whatnot. And so, you know, it's too risky for everyone to stay up there. So I remember us going home. So I remember that was the first time I really learned how crippling an ice storm could be that we had to like miss Peepaw's funeral ash spreading because of it. Okay. That's not the part that sounds crazy. years later, unrelated to the ice storm, I get home from school one day. This is like five to ten years later.

I get home from school one day. My mom has this look on her face, like someone just hit her with a baseball bat. And I'm like, what? She said, so I need you to sit down. Never good. Never good. That's terrible. I mean, that got dropped on me about three times my whole life.

So this was one of them. Hey, need you to sit down. So it's about peepaul. And I said, Pee Paul's been dead like seven or eight years. I don't know what this could possibly pertain to. She said, do you remember when we went up there to spread his ashes? I said, well, I remember you did. I had to go home early for the ice storm.

I still did remember that. She goes, yep, all right. So you're going to hear some stuff on the news later today because a news crew just left our house. So I'm going to prepare you for it now. Okay, come to find out. There was a place up in North Georgia called the tri-state crematorium that they had sent his body to be cremated. All right. This place had been raided years later.

and they discovered bodies stacked on top of each other that hadn't been cremated in a big shed. They discovered bodies thrown in a lake on the property. These people's incinerator had broken. And so instead of handing back human remains, cremated remains, they were basically just handed back firewood ash to people who don't know the difference because who could really spot that. So we took like firewood ash, where my mom did, up into the mountains and spread it out and risked their life in an ice storm. and they come to find out his body's just been stacked in this shed the whole time. And they finally identified him because his toe tag was still on him. I'm not making any of this up.

And so, yeah, that was my first experience with a nice storm, my friend. Dude, what the fuck? Yeah. So Pee Pee Pah has just been sitting there in like a refrigeration unit for the last 10 years. No, they didn't even do him the courtesy of refrigerating him. No, he's just out in a shed. So is he like disintegrating? Yeah, they just, they were only able to tell us the white word.

I think it is. Yeah, he was decomposed. He could only tell his remains because of the tow tag was still long. So they didn't even, they didn't embalm him or nothing like that. They just stacked him. That's okay. I can see where we can find a line here of like, that's insane. Yeah. It's a big story, dude. You could like anybody can Google tri-state crematorium right now and just read all about it. It probably has his own Wikipedia page. That is nuts. So your mom sits you down. She says all this to you. Do you pop on the news that night? Yeah, because she was on the news. Got you. This was true. This was my mom's 15 minutes. And not the one that she wanted necessarily, but like she got on national news because of this.

So do we let's try to put a bow on this. Do we get a hold of peepa's body? Do we finally do the crematorium? And do we go to and spread his ashes? Great question. Yes. And then I was able to go this time. And we went way up like to a, we went to such a remote point in the Tennessee wilderness

that I questioned, how did he ever get here routinely? There was no, it was just strictly walking trails. And we went up there and spread the ashes, a legit ashes out this time. So I guess all's well that ends well, a decade later. Yeah, to think that tears were shed over firewood ash, though. Tough.

Tough. Tough living, dude. That is absolutely insane. So your passion came from malpractice. Yeah. Your passion came from malpractice. When was the first time you chased a tornado? Because if my understanding of our friendship is correct,

your favorite thing to do is chase. tornadoes. Let's dive into that. Give me. And can we come? And yeah, oh, I think Josh has already said, Mitch is in the corner, can we come in the reference of going to see a tornado? I think that answer's already been answered. Like we've been given. We are going to chase a tornado with you this year. I cannot be more excited for the opportunity. I can't be excited. I'm so excited to be terrified and then watch the V-Corps and drive towards the fight as opposed to away from the fight. Yes. Similar to what I have done in this ice storm. But, you know, no pat in the back needed.

First time you chased a, chase a storm. Who did you get hooked up with? What's his name, Red Dog, the sniffer? Who's the guy you work with? Oh, you must be referring to Brad Arnold, the tornado sniffer. The tornado sniffer. Now, I'm assuming he's not your first chase. You have to work yourself up to the sniffer.

Brad Arnold wasn't my first. He wasn't your first. All right. He wasn't my first. Tell me about when you've lost that beautiful tornado card. I want to say it was 08. I want to say You, by the way, just you saying, oh, wait, you love tragedy, right?

We talked about your peepa. Now we're talking about a housing market crash. You don't care. You're just chasing down tornadoes. Why is everyone look so glum when I'm talking, oh, wait, that's a great year for me. It was my first successful chase. No, there was a system that moved through really, really weird. So there are what are called closed core low systems, which I'm not going to explain.

But anyway, they provide their own cold air. It's fascinating. They are notorious for bringing a, severe weather signal the one day and then snow the next day in the south they're rare but when they do they're famous for doing that so we get an eF2 tornado right there near harris county where i grew up and we chased it we saw that one and then the next day we got seven inches of snow extremely rare like the biggest snowfall that we've had where i grew up in my entire lifetime that was the first one i remember but as far as doing it the way i want you got to understand like so i grow up uh

way closer to poor than middle income. So I can't leave. Like I can't go anywhere. Traveling is a non-starter for me. So I always made it a goal. Like, man, if I could ever, if I could ever make it, quote unquote, if I were ever financially secure, I would hope that it comes from covering college football, which we ended up accomplishing. But then the dream scenario is you're financially secure and you have your springs free so you can go chase tornadoes anywhere in the country you want to. So like that's what we do now. So if it calls for flying to Wichita or flying to Oklahoma City or flying to Omaha or Topeka, that's where we go. And then you run a car.

And like I told you, you could be flying right back out of Wichita the next day or you could end up driving all the way back to Nashville just because the chase naturally takes you east. And you get to a certain point and you're in Arkansas and you're like, we're already halfway home. Why don't we just drive the rest of the way home? But I love that, man. And now, so I'm 14, I've seen 14 tornadoes. And I think we can get that up to 20 this year. Yeah, but of a tornado slot sounds like. 14 tornadoes.

Where does the sniffer come in? Because we were flying back from New York a couple months ago. Great show on Get Up ESPN. They definitely dialed into college football portion. They asked you to come up. You do. You absolutely kill it the entire time on our way back. A lot of stuff going on in the media.

Weather is getting kind of crazy. And you're just staring at your phone with all these little dots and colors going on. and stuff like that. I don't know what I was going to finish that question with. That's the problem. The sniffer. How did you get to the sniffer? You brought him up on the plane.

And you talk about this guy that can just, he can find tornadoes out of thin air. He's one of those guys that puts the grass in the air, sees the direction of the wind and heads that way. Yeah, like he's in the movie Twister. If you ever see Bill Paxson just walk out in a gravel parking lot of a barbecue joint and just pick up some of the gravel and let it fall out of his hand. And then he looks at the sky of mysterious.

that's our boy. That's the sniff. All right. So here's the scene. When you're chasing these days, YouTube is a fascinating thing. In our world, it's changed our lives, but it's changed storm chasing too. So what you'll have is at any given time, you could have like 15 other chasers live feeds pulled up on top of your radar products and your GPS products. You just got a wall of monitors in your truck if it's set up the right way. So over time, I don't know any of these people personally. I didn't grow up them, but you just come to filter out who the legit like alphas in the space are. So over time, like Brad Arnold, who by the way is stranded in Franklin, Tennessee as we speak, so shout out to him.

Brad Arnold just starts to separate. And like anytime there's a tornado that's touched down or there's one that's imminent, he's always there. His car is always there. His little dot on the map is always there. So it turns out he watches the show. He's a big college football guy. So we just kind of naturally got hooked up.

He lives in Huntsville. Most of these dudes live in Oklahoma. He lives in Huntsville. So it makes a lot of sense. Like if we were to ever chase or if we were to stage out of somewhere, you got maybe the best in the world. He's power rated number one right now. Really?

I got him power rated number one. I don't know what he's ranked. But he's power rated number one. That's our guy. And a big fan of busing. So like you don't know it, but you guys are friends as well. Nice. And he's down.

He's down to he's down. A lot of people are down to do a lot of. lot of things these days, but he's down to chase the spring. Dog, I, it's, I'm never knew I was so excited about something until you brought it into my life. Like, obviously, I've seen tornado, but growing up in Arizona, there's zero natural disasters that take place. So as a kid, you wake up in the morning, sun's outside, and you put on, you know, the news and it's like, ice storm in Nashville, Tennessee, you know, tornado in Topeka, Kansas. And you just sit there and you go, hey, that's kind of crazy, and then you go outside and play. Like, it never really sparks in your brain that you're

outside and play. Yeah. This is like the, it's just the craziest thought process. So for the fact that me, Will, you and the sniffer are going to head out in the spring,

I cannot wait for the opportunity to stare at one of these bad boys because I remember being at Michigan. I think it was my second year. I just moved into a house with a couple of football players and there's a couple girls on the other side and we became friends with them.

But like the first like, I would say March, they all of a sudden, sirens start going off. And these cats are from the Midwest. They're like, hey, I'm learning all this in real times where I'm playing it cool, but I'm also in like a massive

panic mode of what's going on because they're talking about how if this happens, we got to do X, Y, and Z. If the power items, we have to be able to get out. And there's, there's so many different variables that take place. What's it like for you when you're chasing these storms and there's so much damage that takes place in these towns, these cities, wherever it might be? like what is the move after the tornado ends? It can be really scary, can be really traumatizing. So I've been in the situation a few times. So what you do, you can have different purposes for going out there.

Some people are working on federal grants and they're actually doing work for the government. Many others have like big successful weather franchises that they run independently. They're gathering content, no differently than we are right now. but everybody kind of has the understanding that all right you're out here for whatever reason you're out here for but there's this mutual understanding in the community that everyone's here and in a moment's time you could become a first responder it could immediately turn into search and rescue now you got to walk a fine line there because not everyone is trained first responder and so you there's a point where you could be getting in the way you could be doing more harm than good

but there's also a point where like i mean if you're in the middle of a disaster Astor zone and no one's there. There are no blinking lights. Also, it's really crazy because 99 times out of 100 power has been knocked out. So there's no sound. And it's really, really surreal. It's like a movie scene. So you got to do whatever you can. And so you're always ready for that. You're in the middle of a chase and you know, especially if you're near a tornado or you're documenting one, within the next five minutes, you could be totally switched to searching through debris and search and rescue mode. You're dodging live power lines. You're dodging lightning as well, is my biggest fear. So like there, there's a high, high risk and like high volatility element

into the chase. But you remember, when you asked me on that flight back, you said, what's it like when you see a tornado? What's it like when you actually see it? It's because people ask me that so often I had to come up with this explanation. So the way I explained it, the way I explained the adrenaline rush, it's very sudden, is like if you combined the feeling of cresting at the top of a roller coaster, when you start to head down on a roller coaster, and you combine that with sex, you combine that with the feeling you get in the best haunted house you've ever been in, all of those things thrown into one are kind of a loose comparison to the, like the kind of adrenaline when you're right there in harm's way next to like a legit tornado.

That's like your three favorite things. Yeah, yeah, it's like my three favorite things. The thing that you're doing right now to me is one of, could be the greatest thing in a friendship or your worst nightmare. And it's essentially the same thing as when you're, when you go to a town, when you bring your boys to your town that you grew up in and there's that one restaurant that you're like, you guys have got to go here, eat here because it's zips. This is my, you are essentially talking about my zips right now. to where you're going to bring me along for this ride. And the possibility that we talk to talk about on this plan as well is,

you could go out there for six days and not see a damn thing. That's right. There is that element to where Josh Payton lets down the boys. Similar to the way Will was framing you during the Fiesta Bowl type of thing before we got that cleared out thankfully for JP. That fear is massive. Is it you feel it in your stomach right now? Yes.

No, but it's not up to me. So there's a calmness in the fact that it's out of my hands. Because I've been in this position myself. Like I've spent money on gas, on flights, on food, on lodging, and you go out there. And the thing about it is sometimes the most sure thing type setup just doesn't deliver. And it's not even necessarily like the weatherman's fault. There are a million different variables in the atmosphere. And especially when it comes to STP, significant tornado parameter, those things have to be combined in a very, very, very,

specific like combination of ingredients for supercells to form and tornado genesis to happen. Now, when it does, sometimes it'll pop off in mass. But if you don't get it, there's a fine line between a big outbreak and completely nothing. Can you get the cap to break that day? So I've experienced that myself. But that's actually what makes the big outbreak day feel the way it feels. Because it's not like seeing a thunderstorm. You see those all the time. So they don't mean anything to you. It means something. When you, you see a tornado because it's hard to chase those things down. When you get to, we're looking at Nashville and all the debris, I'm sure you've seen a lot of

photos. Over 300,000 people, no power. It's a very dangerous situation. Now that the storm has taken place and everything's frozen over, you being my number one weatherman guy, is there a light at the end of this tunnel? Because I heard rumors of, I know like middle of the week, it's going to get above freezing, but only slightly. So my brain goes to okay, we're going to have a little bit of a melt back to a refreeze. But then I hear there's a rumor of there's a possible another storm on the horizon

that can give us the same thing over again. What is your weatherman things telling you? Yeah, so I've been monitoring that. I don't feel overly confident that that's going to happen for Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama right now. I think if that becomes an event this weekend,

it's a lot more an eastern seaboard event. But again, that's still a little ways off. So it bears close watching. What you got to watch for in Tennessee is sunlight. You got to get as many hours of direct sunlight as you can get, which you're eventually going to get. Like, I'm in Georgia right now. I'm planning on coming back up there Wednesday.

So, like, I think we'll be good by then. Unless I text you otherwise, I don't foresee a big event in the near future. So I think we got some time to clean up. It's going to be cold, but I think we got some time to clean up. Yeah. Buddy, we got so much damage over here on my side. Like, just my house in general. $50,000?

$50,000. You're just looking around and I'm seeing fences, structures broken down. We have this whole compost station and it was there two days ago and now it's this a giant tree and you literally don't even see the compost station anymore. My goats and my dog bear, they have debris all around them. Luckily none of those structures, but like fences have been pulled down. Wires are hanging yesterday. My neighbor, his boss is like, hey, you need to get down to Orlando.

Florida and he's like I'm there literally if you pulled out of my house on one side like a house down there's a tree on the other side less than a house down there's a power line in a tree there's no way to get out but on my property I have a construction path from when we were building the house to get out on the other side so I take this can am I just bought and I drive him to the shell station on the corner of old hickory and I think noonsville I think those are the two streets I'm not great with streets take him there he has to drive down to Atlanta that gets down to Orlando after that. But I'm driving back to, and the amount of chaos that's taking place houses with trees

through the middle of them. Like where you go and you're on a street and it's like there's no way to get around, so you have to turn around and go back the other way and find a new way home because that just happened in the last five minutes. I've already talked about where I've grown up, but this is the worst storm I've personally ever witnessed. And I'm sure a lot of people in Nashville have as well. All right.

So I was thinking about this yesterday. You know how when you go through middle school and high school, how many subjects you have to take that you know, even in the moment, I'm never going to use this in my life. Yes, absolutely. Don't you think that weather awareness should be mandatory to be taught in school only because think about like, all right, finance 100% should be taught in school because it affects every single person. I think weather awareness or whether preparedness or at least like a basic functioning working knowledge of whether. should have to be taught because that's one of the very few things in life that's guaranteed to impact everybody. And like you're in Nashville right now. Think about how many people in the lead up to this storm really had no idea what freezing rain was. Dude, I'm one of them. I sat there and I'm like

freezing rain. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me because yesterday morning it's 28, it's like between 25 and 28 degrees and it's raining. And I'm thinking everything I've been taught about weather in my life is as as soon as it hits 32 and below, it's now snow, it's no longer rain. That's not how it works. And I'm watching, it's weirdly in all this chaos because the sunlight is out right now,

you walk outside and it's calm and kind of beautiful. Like if you ignore the fact that there's chaos going around around you, you're seeing these limbs that seem like they've been decorated for Christmas. Like there's a blanket of snow, which is actually just ice and it looks like so calm everywhere. And then in the distance, every two or three minutes you're hearing, because where I live in town,

there's, it's a lot of forest. You're hearing branches. You're hearing trees come down. You're hearing people in the distance. And where you're just like, it's crazy how this thing can look so beautiful, but also the amount of chaos that's taking place within one mile of me is just outrageous.

Because it's similar to the way you described, like after the tornado where there's no sound. Oh, you can just hear what everybody's going through. within an airshot because there's nothing else kind of taking that away. It's just nuts, ma'am. Well, it's so, what's really crazy is when you learn the science behind it, because I was in this one time when I was a little kid when I watched the weather channel described freezing rain.

It made no sense to me because I'm like, I've seen it snow when it's 35 degrees outside before. So how could liquid be falling out of the sky when it's 30 degrees? Yeah, how does that work? Well, you learn the science behind it and it would really help if I had a grease board. But like, so if you have just a still column of cold air all the way up to the cloud, that snowflake is falling through sub-freezing temperatures so it never melts and it just hits the ground as a snowflake. But sometimes, and this is why I started using the terminology warm nose with you last week, sometimes there's a warm nose that works its way into the atmosphere just above the surface. So there's this weird situation where at the surface, it's below freezing, but just above the surface, like two or three thousand feet up.

up in the air, it's like 39 degrees. So a snowflake falls out of the clouds, goes through that 39 degree air and melts. And then it gets right towards the surface. And even though it is below freezing towards the surface, it doesn't have time to refreeze because gravity's pulling it to the ground pretty quickly. So it doesn't freeze until after it hits the ground. So it falls as liquid, hits the ground, freezes on contact, and then it just covers everything like you're seeing right now. That's why the ice storm, freezing rain, is a hundred times more dangerous than anything else. And that's why once I realized that's what we were getting, I bailed. See you.

Catch you later's. Yeah. Because then you start to read about like a half inch of rain adds this many hundred pounds on branches. Yeah. And you know, like dude, when I woke up in the morning because our power went out around like 4 a.m. two days ago. And the generator had not kicked on yet. And I, you know, I'll tell my own heroic story in a second.

but I'm outside kind of going around, making sure everyone's good. And there are flashes of green and blue lights through the clouds. And the clouds are very low at this point, but you're seeing these flashes. And I saw like on Twitter or wherever I was getting my weather that this is probably a lightning storm coming with this.

So I'm thinking to myself, oh, this is just lightning. Come to find out these are transformers exploding because of the ice wearing it down and the amount of weight that's taking it's pulling these things off of these wooden poles. And sometimes the metal poles as well to where transformers are exploding in the distance where you see like,

you sort of really, oh, these are just little bombs going off all around Nashville. And it's just nuts. And then I had to go and, buddy, I had to fix my own generator. It was almost the end of me and Talon because she's sitting on the,

she's in the bathroom of our house and I'm on the outside. And she's talking about a vent. And I'm reading the vent. I'm like, she's like side panel. And there's obviously multiple sides and I'm like yelling at her because I'm like now freezing.

I'm getting rained on in 30 degree well. weather and it was chaos for a minute, ended up getting it cranked on. We're running just fine with the Luan household. But it is, I've never seen anything like this in my entire life. And it's just, it's just crazy that it's exactly how you predicted it as it was coming. Because yeah, you know, what's crazy about the power flashes? Tell me. It's the, so ice storms and tornadoes, you look for the exact same thing. You look for those power flashes. Really? And in the, whether it's ice storm or whether it's tornado, a tornado is a little more violent in the moment, obviously. That's

one of the telltale signs that the tornadoes on the ground is when you see the power flashes, because you know that's just transformers blowing, and there's really only one thing that's going to do that, and that's tornado on the ground. But in the event of the ice storm, same thing's happening, but it's for a far different reason. It's because of what you just said is happening to all those tree branches. And that's why I told you, because I know you live in like a really wooded area. If you live in wooded areas, especially, you're just screwed. If you get significant eye, It's like half an inch or more of ice is catastrophic because it's a 100% certainty tree. Tree branches are going to come down.

Trees in their entirety are going to come down. And there's only so many ways they can fall. And if you consider how many trees you have around you, eventually one of them is going to fall on a power line. And really all it takes is one, to fall at the right place to knock out everybody's power. Yeah. That's exactly what happened in my house. Dude, we literally, I walked outside and I hear a branch go down. It's very close, so I look over in the direction, and I see a live wire kind of ripping around on my street.

Oh, that's scary. That's scary. I mean, I'm clearly a far enough distance away, I felt like. But just seeing it, I'm like, this is insane what's going down right now. And it's just crazy. And then I think to myself, like, my neighbor across the street, I don't even know them. I kind of like keep to myself in my neighborhood. But like, they get a hold of my wife's number.

And this guy has a pacemaker. And he's like, we don't have power. So I'm like going over there, bringing it to my house, charging his pacemaker. or bringing it back. I got a neighbor that my kids hang out with. Their family is now in my house. And I'm like trying to house people because I'm like the only house in the block

that has any power right now. And it's like there's a feeling of a rewarding feeling of being able to like help people in this situation. But also it's like what's going to happen when it's all cleared up? Because pipes are bursting. I can, we've already talked about the amount of damage I have in my house.

Luckily I'll be able to like fix those things and get them done. But a lot of people around me are just for, months, possibly a year of are you going to have like repercussions for the things that are taking place in Nashville, which is just, you know, you have a lot of empathy and a lot of gratitude for you're at and you just hope everyone's all right. Yeah, the staff was asking me when I told them Thursday or Wednesday or Tuesday, I told them, I'm considering going out of town and they were like, why? And then we got past the whole joking around, oh, you're running from the weather. And I

explained to him, no, I'm not joking. I'm legit running from the weather. And they were like, oh, you're serious. Okay, explain to us why. And I explained, well, here's what's going to happen with the power. So in fairness to them, they know nothing about weather. So they were like, but the power goes out sometimes in storms. Why does that mean you leave? Do you leave every time you think the power is going to go out? And I said, no, the extended period of time, the power could be out combined with temperatures

and the, what's like the single digits last night. That's a really, it's a really big deal. Because like when thunderstorms knock out the power, I don't know that since I lived in Nashville, my power has ever been. out more than three hours, except when the tornado hit my building in 2020. That was a different story. But like other than that, just normal, normal power outages, NES is really good about getting that stuff back on. They are powerless on some of this stuff to get it back on because it takes weeks and weeks and weeks because you're not just like reattaching a line. You're not just

resetting anything. You have to physically rebuild the infrastructure of your power grid. It doesn't matter if you have the best in the world and they all work overtime and they bring crews from surrounding counties, you're talking about weeks to potentially sometimes months that that stuff takes to get fixed. Yeah, I was just texting with my wife before you jumped on and she works with this charity company called Home Street Home. This guy named Steve, it's an amazing story. He was lost his job, ended up being homeless. He thought, okay, this will be a couple of weeks. Ends up being, I believe, closer to a year that he's on the streets, like no home, nowhere to go sleeping under tunnels. And once he got himself financially,

stable, he pulled himself out of the situation. And now his whole mission is taking care of the homeless, getting them on their feet, giving them the tools in order to, you know, carry on with their life and get back up to where they should be. He just hit my wife up. Like, we are, that we're overdone. We have no more money. We're messed up. There's a, like, there are people dying right now, which is just, you know, it's terrible. It's terrible. And there's not a whole lot to go off that other than just like, you just hope everybody's okay. And so that's all I got. There's probably not a great follow up to that for you to be? Yeah, I've always been a believer that the way that they evacuate an area when a hurricane is imminent should be the same way you evacuate an area when you know an

ice storm is imminent. The problem is a hurricane is going to make landfall at a specific place. And then it's going to move inland. This thing, like if you look at the track of it, you're talking about anywhere from southeastern Arkansas through like Oxford, Mississippi, up through Memphis, Jackson, Nashville, Knoxville, you got an extended, very, very extended swath of land where it's kind of, it's not feasible to evacuate that large a chunk of land. So people like, that's why you got to prioritize like the elderly, your dude on a pacemaker, for example. Like, I mean, if you lose power, it's going to suck.

But you're in the prime of your life. You're going to be okay, probably. Yeah. But if you're 85 years old, especially if you're alone, like that's something that's happening. there right now. Yeah, it is, it's just crazy, man. And this conversation, if it's, you brought it up, but like having education as a young, as a young lad, being able to understand whether and what you do in certain situations of tragedy, whether it's a tornado and ice storm, a giant thunderstorm that breaks out power, like knowing what you should and should not do, because I'm guilty of it myself,

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I mean, it was back and forth. Like Indiana or Miami could have easily won that game. But what are your takeaways from, we'll start small. Your takeaways from this game, seeing an ACC team and a Big Ten team for the third time winning a national championship, that game. What was your biggest takeaway from those two teams? All right. First off, what a game.

Yeah. And I mean, I think, I don't think Mario would admit this, but I think in his heart of hearts, if you told him that morning, I'm going to give you the ball, first and 10, midfield with a minute left, down six, will you take that? I think he would have taken it. Yep. That's exactly where they were. So you've seen the movie The Perfect Storm, right? Yes. Beautiful and heartbreaking. Yeah, yeah. And to me, that was that entire game. And it's kind of like playing Indiana this season. But that game, but that game, was a great microcosm of what it's been like playing Indiana when they're on. And Indiana was on that night. So there were three different times where Miami probably took what should have been a knockout blow. They answer each time to the point like we just said where they have the ball in midfield. Like they, I fully believe, I was standing in the end zone with Christopal's family. I fully believe I'm about to see a celebration to end all celebrations in Miami's building. This is about to be surreal. And then Carson Becker just throws a pick and it's over kind of

anti-climactic there. But I felt like it was, there's such skill in being able to trade knockout blows. It's like watching old school like Muhammad Ali fights before there were any kind of regulations on boxing, they're going 15 rounds and they're just annihilating each other. And you're sitting there watching and saying, not only how did he just take that punch to his face, how did he deliver one? So in the perfect storm, and I'm going to spoiler alert it because it's been out

for a long time. They're going through like unimaginable hell on the open seas and they're like a confluence of three different storms and they're out there just trying to catch some fish. They're trying to feed their families. They're trying to get back to the mainland and they're stuck in it and they're going through it. And there's this point where George Clooney and the dude in the, in the captain's chair with him, they like kind of resigned themselves to the idea that they're going to die. And they're fighting it, but they realize we're probably going to die. All right. Then the skies start to part a little bit and it starts to let up. The rain stops and they get this look on their face like they just got a second chance at life.

And the second crewman there says, Skip, we're going to make it. And George Clooney's looking around and then the skies start to darken again. And then the wind picks up again. And then the sun disappears. And then the rain starts to fall and the waves pick up. and George Clooney looks and says she's not going to let us out. And that's what it was like watching Miami. They were like three different times where Miami feels like, man, we're going to win this game.

And every time Indiana had an answer and every time Mendoza makes a play. And in the end, it's just like they're not going to let them out. They're not going to let them out. And I fully believe you probably took Miami's best punch. Like all things considered, Miami gave themselves as good a shot as they could give themselves. But it was a game like you said where if Indiana, on, no one's beating them. And they were on enough where even Miami's best wasn't going to beat them. Yeah. And it's interesting too, because when we were talking about the locker room, you said,

do you believe Miami's best game can beat Indiana? And I answered what I really thought was the truth. And the answer is yes. But I do believe, like you just said, that was Miami's best shot at that and it just happened to be that Indiana just had a slight edge. And it's no shot at Christobal or Carson Beck or Fletcher, those two defensive ends. It's just, the storm. It just wasn't going to let you out. And no matter what you did and how hard you fought, eventually you were going down in that water until the bubble stopped. And it's, it was beautiful to see because it was two teams that we have, one team we haven't seen in forever in a national championship. And the other team has, hasn't been good in the history of their program in college football.

And it was just amazing to watch two unique brands go after it for something that mattered so much. and to see like Fernando Mendoza with the game on the line like a draw is called where he makes a guy miss, dives in the end zone, gets hit early in the game, multiple late hits that could have been called

on the Miami defense. It was beautiful. It was poetic. And I love the fact that Fernando Mendoza's story. I love that he referenced the fact that he was a two-star guy at the end of the game

and was denied a walk-on a walk-on scholarship, I guess, to Miami. and now he's on this big press tour and he's going to clearly be the number one overall pick and it's just it's incredible to see. My question is, do we see Indiana? Is this a, this is the new standard for Indiana?

It's Kurt Signetti who's only lost two games in two years or did they strike lightning in a bottle? And I know you don't truly have that answer but I do want to know your thoughts on where does Indiana go from here? This Hoover kid that come from TCU like what a amount of pressure that he has on his shoulder.

to take over for Fernando Mendoza. Like there's a lot of things that are now taking place. Is Cooper coming back? I don't know if he has, but Sarat's out. A lot of guys are gone. A lot of those JMU cats that came over to Indiana, made the team a national championship team. Those guys are gone now.

So I love to know your thought process on the Indiana program at this point. Yeah, I think they're there. Like, I think they're here. I think you can write their name on that fifth line, sort of in the Big Ten. Like we've had Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, they've been kind of penciled in as you expect success from them. And the big question has been, who's going to put their name in that fifth line? Now, we were thinking USC the whole time, and maybe USC will as well.

Just in my opinion, from this point moving forward, Indiana is solidly in that fifth blank. And that doesn't mean they're number five. That just means they've established themselves as the fifth mainstay to me in the Big Ten. So the reason I say that is they didn't, I don't think they caught lightning in a bottle. I think they took everyone by surprise, including me. But I don't think they caught lightning in a bottle because I don't, to say that to me, insinuate it's what they just did. They probably won't be able to replicate.

I think they'll be able to replicate it. Now, it's a really interesting conversation because they're going to have plenty good enough players. The staff will be plenty good enough. Also, you get that like Roger Bannister's sub four-minute mile effect where now, that everyone has seen it done, it becomes much more possible to be done again and again and again and again. So I don't doubt that the proof of performance will help them as well. Like you said, they established a standard there, all that stuff. The one thing that's interesting to me is when we were in Atlanta, I don't know if you were, I don't think you were there. I don't think you were there

when I had this conversation. I was talking to an Indiana fan at the game before the game. And he was, he was just kind of talking about, oh, man, you picked against us so many times this year. But he was like having fun about it. So he said, and think about this, bro, this is the least talented team that Signity's going to have because we're going to get more talented players now, which is not false, but he stopped short of saying what I think he was implying. What I think he was implying is if we're this good now, imagine how much better we will be. The one thing I don't believe is they'll ever have a better team than they just had. They will have more talented teams. I have no doubt about that. Maybe next year they will.

I don't think it is possible for a team. In the purest sense of what a team is, I don't think it's possible to have a better team dynamic than what they just had. I don't believe that to be true. So I'm not saying that to like try and put emergency breaks on expectations or anything like that. I'm just trying to say, like, I always go back to Sabin's first years at Alabama. He gets there in 07. A year later, they go to the SEC.

title game. They're 12 and 0. They play Tebow and lose. The next year, they go undefeated. They win the whole thing. And those teams still had like some Mike Shula players on those teams. There were a few holdouts. It wasn't even all Sabin's roster yet. And I remember Bama fans thinking, we just want a title and our most talented teams are still to come. And they were right about that. But if you ask Sabin about the best teams he had, he'll go back and point to those teams and he'll say, you know, we never really recreated that unique kind of dynamic. Because the way he put it, which I think's brilliant, and I think it applies to Indiana, is he said those 08 and 09 teams, those were the last teams we ever had where the building was full of what

can I do for Alabama guys. Every year after that, because of our success, because of the athletes, we were able to recruit, we were really talented, but there was always this element of what can Alabama do for me in the building. And he said, I never really had a group that was like that 0809 group. Now, they went on to win more titles. So it doesn't mean they weren't able to replicate success in the form of winning championships. But if anyone thinks that Kurt Signity is going to have better teams than he just had, I think you're crazy. Yeah.

I love everything you just said because Indiana has now put it to where when you look at the logo, your brain doesn't necessarily go to basketball immediately anymore. You're now looking at football. And that's what these kids are looking at as well. They see the success. They see Sarat who did JMU, this Cooper kid, Black, and the basketball. field. Fernando Mendoza is the perfect example for all these things. Like two-star kid goes to Cal. No one's really talking about Fernando Mendoza when he signs his letter of intent out of the

transfer portal to go to Indiana, yet he's the one that wins the national championship. So every kid now is thinking, if I go to Indiana, I will get X, Y, and Z. And so that is, it's a terrifying thing. It's also a thing that I look at a guy like Kurt Signetti of he's going to handle it the similar way that Nick Saban does. And he's gonna, he's gonna see it changing because he's been around Sabin. They butt heads a lot, but they also butt heads a lot

because they're very similarly built and being the guy, understanding culture and implementing that culture, regardless of the certain personalities that they have. So I do agree with you that Indiana, although they might not be the same, the record will reflect similarly every year because of what they've been able to build.

When I look at Miami, I get a little more pause when I look at Miami because you obviously have Maliki I think he regraded, I believe is the correct term. He should have been a senior in high school this past year. That's absolutely incredible for him to be such a vocal point of that offense and one of the best players on that entire team. But you're losing Beck, who is, you know, seventh year in college football, which is still

such a crazy thing for me to wrap my brain around. They have to find a quarterback, which I don't know if they have. I haven't followed very much. They're losing Mesedine, Mesadol. Medador and Bain, who are the two guys that anytime you're brought up the defense. You'd be like, yeah, their back end's really good. Their front seven's good, but it's these two guys that allow everything to operate.

Mario Cristobal, friend of our show, friend of yours. What do we think about them? Like, it seems like their road is a little more touch and go to be like they're going to be in it every single year. Now, their path to me seems like, okay, yeah, they're in the ACCC. They had those fumbles versus SMU and Louisville, but I could see them clearly, you know, getting into playoffs, but making that big of a run. That's where I find pause. I kind of feel the same way about them as I do, Indiana, just in a sense that I expect them to be there every year.

To me, the skill is in putting yourself in the playoff picture every year. And then you hope you peak at the right time, you get injury luck and stuff like that. All right. So do I put them in that category? Yes, I do. I think when the dust settles, I think they're going to get Dary and Mensa that may be done, may not. That's a dude quarterback? Yeah.

It's just a legal thing. He'll be the quarterback. down there. So they're going to get him. I think his best receiver is probably going to follow him. I just have stopped doubting that they're going to backfill with really, really solid replacements for the big time guys that they're losing. I think that you just saw in only one year having a turnaround they had defensively. They were woeful when Cam Ward was there defensively. And they hired Heatherman from Minnesota, and they just turned that thing around. And I mean, honestly, I think the results they got last year should have taken two years to get. But

they got them last year. So I think they'll continue, they'll continue being able to win on that side of the ball. I just think every year further you've gotten into Mario being there, you've progressed, and every year further you've gotten in, the team looks more and more like what a Mario Crissball team should look. That's why they were able to do what they did. How did they beat Ohio State? They just bloodied them. No one else does that to Ohio State this year at least, but they did. And then they did it against A&M before that. And that's how they were. we're able to at least hang with Indiana and make it a game against Indiana. So in that sense, I think it'll be there.

I just think in January especially or February or even spring practice when we're looking at this stuff, we're so far away, kind of like that weather thing. When we're a week away from it, we got a general idea of what could be in the vicinity. But nailing down the specifics, you got to be 24, 48, 72 hours out, maybe at that point you kind of know. So like with Miami, I mean, what is what is the intel out of the scrimmage? one in fall camp sound like. Do they have any key injuries? Malachi Tony, you know, we watched Ryan Williams and Jeremiah Smith as pop as true freshman. And then this past year were their second

years. Williams fell off a cliff. Jeremiah Smith was still legit. And the point there is, it's not just an automatic that when you're a star as a true freshman, that you automatically scale that performance level linearly in year two. So there's a lot of unknown. That's why I speak very generically about teams this time of year. And I say, they're going to be in the hunt. I think they're going to be in the hunt. The wild thing about them is they play for a national title before they've played for an ACC title under Mario. That to me is insane.

That is just crazy. And people now are looking at like Clemson as like, oh, that's a dead dog. But you never know what's going to happen with them as well. Dabo Sweeney as much as hate he got this year. It's like could just bring them back out of the fold. He has a tendency to do that when they have a down year, a big bounce back right for that.

So even though the ACC is not stacked and we've argued about, you know, they're a little more irrelevant, which Miami brought them back in a lot of ways. There's still that one or two teams in there that can also make a big push at the end. But you're absolutely right when it comes to injuries, looking downrange too far this early in the year. It's more fun to talk about than it is to put your stamp of approval. We can do that in August when we have our very exciting things coming up that we can break at some point. But it's very interesting. I know I always talk about Michigan with you.

But you had a clip come out. about how Whittingham, this young nucleus of team, there's a lot of optimism. You see the fan base, you're kind of living with the fan base as far as the way the optimism goes. I'm as a fan sitting there being like, oh my God, the potential. The potential that this team has this year

is a playoff caliber team. Not just a playoff caliber team, but a team that can actually go and maybe get a couple chunks even with the schedule that they have. But then we just got done talking about Mario Cristobald, but more importantly, Kurt Signetti. And Kurt Signetti, he has a lot of famous quotes,

but one of the ones I love the most is he takes production over potential. And what Michigan's dealing with right now is we have a shitload of potential going into the season and not so much production. And that is where my pause is. So I love a little more of an outlook professional view on the Michigan Wolverines, barring injury, barring all the things. How do we feel as two Michigan Wolverine fans right now about this team? Remember what Signetti was having to do, though.

So up until five seconds ago, Kurt Signity slash Indiana could not attract premier highly rated players. Yeah. Highly rated talent. So what he had to do was he had to go bargain barrel shopping. And out of that crop of players, he's saying, I trust the production over the potential. Now I think even he'll get into an area where, look, they can knock on recruiting rankings all they want to. I promise you if a five-star receiver wants to commit to Indiana, they're not turning them away. I promise you, they're not.

And I promise you, you'll probably see that kid on the field as a true freshman. I promise you that stuff will happen. So at Michigan, we're talking about a different little caliber of athlete from a recruiting ranking standpoint. And that's its own conversation and people have really flawed theories about that stuff. But 50,000 foot, there is no better forward-facing predictive measurement in high school sports now than recruiting rankings. 50,000 feet. Michigan traffics very well in that category. So if my unproven potential is really high-level athletes that most other schools wanted, I'm okay with rolling the dice that Kyle Whittingham will be able to get the most out of them. Like I'll take that risk in other words. But the point I was making,

the video you're talking about in the mood tracker segment we did was at least now we know. Like at least now there's no me showing up to the shop on a Wednesday. And before we start recording me and you were talking 20 minutes about what we're hearing behind the scenes at Michigan. Yeah. What could be going on. What could be just around the corner or, you know, hidden behind this curtain. We know now. So we know the NCAA stuff's done. No one's mentioning Conor Stallions anymore. No one's mentioning Harbaugh anymore. No one's mentioning any investigation. No one's mentioning, hey, man, have you heard this about Sharon? No one's mentioning that. Right. So we're on the other side of that now. And now it's just, hey, let's play ball. Let's roll it out there.

spot the ball, let's go. And we got a guy who was one of the winningest head coaches in the history of college football and Kyle Wittingham, who very clearly has tread left on his tires. Also, if you believe in the chip on the shoulder, added fuel source, imagine that guy who was told, time for you to move on at Utah. And then it just so happens, the Michigan jobs open. So the Michigan job, maybe when he was otherwise stagnating in his career, reinvigorates him. I think the same thing may happen when James Franklin at Virginia Tech, by the way. Yeah. So we may see that, that, that, element multiple places. You got year two with Bryce Underwood, so you kind of try and get to see, like, does he blossom

year one to year two? I just think it's so much steadier sense of footing right now. That's what gives me optimism. So I put Michigan in that same category of they'll be able to give themselves a puncher's chance. Like they'll be in the picture this year. And then moving forward, I have very little doubt they'll be in the picture. Yeah, I know.

Definitely this year, very early. I mean, after the Oklahoma game, it was like. like, oh, we are not, we are talented, but we are misdirected in a lot of ways. Then the USC game happens. Then I talked myself into Ohio State, which you were on board with into the 11th hour. You were my ice storm in late November. But yeah, being a part of the University of Michigan, Latter-day Saints, like I am, I kind of like where we're at right now.

And it's also insane to me that BYU and these Utah programs were so a part of the locker room that we always bring up American Primeval. Now I'm a part of the squad, dude. Now I'm a part of it. I want to ask you about two more teams, and then I'll let you get out of there. I'm sure your beautiful wife is waiting for you to get off so you can go do your thing.

Your father, Dan Pate, finally got the, I got the follow on Twitter. You let me know quickly, and there would be no way for me to ever know that he was following me unless you gave me that message. We've exchanged DMs, which I will screenshot and send you at a later date.

But his team, the University of Alabama. I need a temp check on Kailen DeBore, where we're at. There was a whole conversation around the quarterback, and is, is he going to leave? I heard rumors about him possibly going over to Tennessee

if he didn't get a first round grade and he wasn't going to go in the NFL because a lot of people were thinking, this backup quarterback who, you know, Garrett Hargis, our number one Alabama fan here at the bus. We're talking about that kid. He's the one.

He's the truth. You watch him in pre-games before the SEC championship. You're like, oh, I completely understand why people are about this kid. He ends up leaving, to the NFL draft. I want to know about were there any truth

of these rumors in your mind now that the time has passed and this is usually we can talk about these things and from a fan base perspective from your dad's perspective who seems like he's got his his finger on the pulse

of what goes down with the Crimson Tide. How are we feeling about Kalin DeBore? All right. First thing, in retrospect, Ty Simpson was never going to do anything other than go to the draft because he had mega offers on the table. I mean, he had a mega offer

from Miami on the table. and I got respect for it. I got a lot of respect for it because his reasoning was I was a captain at Alabama. I got my hands in the concrete there at Alabama. I don't want to be looked back on as a guy that just sort of threw that away and went elsewhere. That's such an old school, like, bygone way of thinking. I could not have any more respect for that. I wish there was more of it.

So Keelan Russell is the name to know at Alabama. Keelan Russell was a five-star, I believe he was rated five stars out of high school. school last year and they had a situation where he could come in and he could red shirt because tie was there. I went and watched them practice a few times. I go to as many practices with as many teams as I can. And Keel and Russell, you've been around it, man. You've been around high level athletes and you just know when one is different, especially a quarterback. You know when one is different. Now, that doesn't mean they're ready to play at that moment. But when you witness elite, like physical traits, there's no mistake in that. They don't blend in. They stand out

from the pack. So that guy's got that. I was shot. This is me personally speaking. I had no knowledge of it. I was shot that they did not lose Austin Mac in the portal because Austin Mac is another pretty good quarterback. You saw him come in in the Rose Bowl against Indiana when Ty Simpson went down, made some good throws. I know for a fact that when he transferred from Washington to Alabama, I guess two cycles ago now, there were some other teams that wanted him bad. But Mac had come up in DeBoer system and he had played under DeBoer. He just wanted to go continue to develop under Kalin DeBoer. But look, they're going to have a competition this spring. And I'm not saying they won't. I'm telling you unequivocally, I think Keelan Russell will win that competition. And that's why I was

just kind of surprised. Again, it's kind of a bygone concept that a guy is okay staying at a program and developing. So hats off to Austin Mac as well. As for the Kalin DeBore thing, I think there's a healthy amount of, not so much doubt. I think there's sort of a prove it to me, people begging them to prove it to me because they want to believe in them. Like, there's some, like the 10% that are always negative, remove them for a second. Let's go like with the core fan base. They got high expectations, but that was always going to be the case if you went to Alabama. I think they're looking and they're saying, we're dying to have a reason to believe. And it's not like they went seven and six. They went to the playoff. They won a playoff game.

They were beat to death at the end of the year. What they want is they want to look like Miami looks like on the line of scrimmage. That's what they want to look like. Yes. Like they want the idea that when someone faces them, they fear that they're facing a bully instead of your Alabama and you're going to play Indiana. And you're trying to find ways like a slide of hands, smoke and mirrors. Let's see how we can hang in this game. That should never be the vibe with Alabama.

So I think that's the vibe from the fan base right now. Now, you just fired an offensive line coach. and you get a guy from USC in there, and there's a lot of hope that like, okay, that's going to help us turn the corner. And now we'll be able to run the ball again. And look, I sit here from the outside, not even halfway claiming to know the ins and outs of why they can't run the ball. I just know that that's got to get fixed. That's got to be a non-negotiable. So that's the thing I'm watching for.

They're bringing in an excellent true freshman, but will be a true freshman at tailback. Keel and Russell, I think will win that job. But they got a really good quarterback room position situation right now. I don't know. I think they're yet another team. I think they're going to be in the mix, but I'm not ready to say, oh, they've definitively turned some corner yet, because it's January. Yep, it's January.

Everything else is right now is just speculation and fun. I love the, I love the conversation around Austin Mac, Austin Mac, correct? Yeah, they came in. Yeah, during the Rose Bowl, the idea of delayed gratification is such a thing that you said, like it's an old school way of thinking. You see it happening in the Northwest with Dante Moore and his choosing, him choosing to come back for another year when he was clearly the number two pick and just the way the NFL cycle works, he started to be argued as the number one pick as we got closer and closer. Once he saw his combine

numbers, all the thing, people would find a way to say this kid's better than Fernando Mendoza and then it'd probably still end up one and two. He comes back for another year. They also got a kid Dylan Raola from Nebraska. It's very interesting to see culturally Dan Lanning's ability and what seems like Kailen Dabor's ability to keep quarterbacks at bay when it seems like everyone one's first inclination is just to run to the transfer portal over and over again. But Oregon's not the team I want to talk about. The team I want to talk about is Ohio State. Arthur Smith, friend of mine, he was a GA type of, that was kind of like he was a

Titans assistant when I first got to the Tennessee Titans in 2014. He was a guy that did all the grunt work, slowly worked his way up, became the OC at the Titans, went over to Atlanta as the head coach didn't work out there, found himself at the Steelers this year and was interviewing for head coaching jobs after the season. He ends up finding home in the worst possible place in my opinion because I have so much respect for him and I think he's a great coach in Columbus, Ohio. So now you've got Ryan Day, who is a person that, from an NFL perspective, it seemed like there are some rumors, rumblings similar to Marcus Freeman of jumping and going to the NFL. His was maybe a little bit lower than Marcus Freeman, where Marcus Freeman

has to say, yeah, I'm not doing that. And now you have an OC and a DC that were NFL head coaches at one point. So I know you had to dig into your bag a little bit with the NFL, but what does Arthur Smith bring to the table? This is his words he used for me. Ohio State has a roster that is better than some NFL rosters right now. And that is a big reason why he chose to go and become an OC at Ohio State. That pissed me off. And my text back was, I love to see how good Julian San really is without the aliens around him. Joking, of course. I think Julian San is a great quarterback. but I want to know your perspective from Ohio State. Is this a pissed off Buckeye team?

Yeah, of course. Clearly. Of course it is. Yes. You've built a world there in Ryan Day's Ohio State where I don't know what the closest Sabin's Alabama. Maybe it would be the closest cop of how he could just, it's an ecosystem almost. It's not even just a football program.

It's an entire ecosystem where it's totally plausible for NFSA. borderline head coach or former head coaching caliber types to just get a year or two in as a coordinator there. But here's the other beauty in it. And you'll notice this kind of parallels what Saban ended up doing. Saban would bring in all these guys at Alabama. And he would say, I'm not bringing their system here. They're coming here to run my system. They're coming here to run the Alabama offense.

That's kind of what Ohio State is now. It's like Ohio State's got the Ohio State offense. You're going to come here and run it. we're going to win, you're going to look great. If you don't have the opportunities you want now, fast forward 11 months, and you will. And so it mutually benefits all of us. And that's kind of the ecosystem there. And I also think once you won a national title, I'm not saying the pressure's ever off. You're always under immense pressure as the head coach at Ohio State. But I think now it's more just purely competitive pressure. There's not an ounce of job security pressure, not that there ever should have been, but there was. But there's no more of that. Like your process, your methods are

proven. And now you, I mean, you just, it's rinse repeat. And you know, like we just said with three other, four other teams, you're going to be there every year. They were already there. Before they won the title, they were in position. They couldn't get over the Michigan hump. But even before that, that Georgia semifinal game where they miss a field goal at midnight in the semifinals, they would have gone on to Slaughter TCU. They would have easily gone on to do that. So they're that close to winning a title four years prior. It's like Ryan Day's, always been a stud. He's always been that guy. Now, my question to you is, you know good and well he had multiple candidates for this coordinator position, right? Do you think that, and I'm not saying

this is the way it worked, let's just say for argument's sake, Ryan Day has six finalists for this job, and they're all pretty equal in his mind. Knowing the relationship you guys have now, well established. Do you think if he knows that picking option five is, going to put you on tilt emotionally a little bit, that that's enough to push option five over the finish line and get option five. In this case, Arthur Smith, the job. So you're saying, does Ryan Day think about me so much that he's making coaching hires in order to get out of my skin? If, now, this is not that it gives a guy a leg up. If all the candidates are pretty equal, like he thinks, I could close my eyes and throw a dart, whichever.

balloon it hits, I'll win no matter what. If option number five there, author Smith, comes with the added benefit of keeping you up at night, is Ryan Day making the higher of option five? A hundred percent. Absolutely. A hundred percent. And it's like, a lot of people are like probably sitting there right now, be like, oh, Taylor, it's main character syndrome. Listen, Ryan Day declined coming on bus with the boys and then they beat, they beat Michigan. And 12 hours later, it was, oh, by the way, he has availability now. So Ryan Day is playing chess in my brain right now. He's got the 20th floor penthouse suite in my brain,

and he's got free range because he's done it. And as much as I don't like it, I respect the man now. Like he is doing a good job of trolling. And by hiring Arthur Smith, who I consider a friend is just crazy. And what I consider even crazier is, I had to find out on the internet, Josh Pate,

that Arthur Smith, took this job. And I had to find out for my own bustle with the boy's account that he took this job. And I know this is all Ryan Day is doing just to get under my skin. Because you're right, they're going to win no matter what. Uh-oh. I got a text. I'll let you guess who sent this to me right now. It says, today is Monday. Tomorrow is Tuesday, but every day is Ryan Day. That's son of a bitch, man. Good luck. Good luck, Arthur Smith. I got Wittingham. I got Bryce underwood with an actual quarterback coach. I'm not worried. We're good. I'm We're good.

I'm back. Exactly. I am back. Don't you worry about me. Josh Beck, you heard of him? He's going to, hey, we're going to have a creative offense. We have an exciting offense. Josh, gee, we appreciate you.

Thank you for taking the time from Georgia. You're the man. I'm so looking forward to you, me, and Willie C., chasing tornadoes this year. It's going to be amazing. Sniffing out on the open plane. You know what? We may end up in Norman, Oklahoma.

You got some unsettled scores to finish there as well. So who knows where we'll end up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Mitch's mouth and bud light question to me. Listen, anyone would do anything for an ice cold bud light. I don't know if we have the camera. We have a whole keg sitting right here. What is something that Josh Pate would do anything for

and you cannot say anything about family? Strictly selfish. Okay. So it can be selfish. I don't have to give the requisite. Yeah, no, no, no. Family, we all know. You throw that out now.

We're done with that. Maybe something weather-related. Ooh, maybe something. I think he's already said on the show, me personally, if I'm in Josh Bates, Josh Pate's brain, I think I know what you should say. It's whether or not you say it or not. Does it have anything to do a private aviation? Now it does. Yeah. All right. There is a dream scenario. You and I, we have spoken about the joint private jet venture many times.

And our big hang up is what we would spray pain on the side. But let's just, let's just table that for a second. I mean, imagine private helicopter access during a chase. Because at that point, you're no longer handcuffed by the winding roads and limited access and you just, you go after it. You attack it. That, so you want private helicopter access to chase a tornado, which is horrible weather. Yes. That sounds terrifying. that you were going to sit there and be like, buy a plane.

And I'd be like, hell yes, that is 100% that if I could do anything, that would probably aside from family, well, I would want that. But a private helicopter. I got to have maneuverability. Oh, my light went out. I got to have maneuverability. Yeah. That's back.

That sounds, dude, that sounds so scary to me. Also sounds so sick. It sounds so sick to be in a helicopter. How close could you get to a tornado in a helicopter? Buddy, there's, it seems to me there's only one way to find out. I love it. You know what? I'm getting on that helicopter with you.

I'm getting on that helicopter with you. Okay, I got some forms you'll need to fill out. But yeah, I welcome that. Hey, they'll be filled out with white knuckles. I'll be so terrified. But I'll do it. All right, Joshie, I appreciate you, brother. Let's give a round of applause.

Just me and Mitch giving you a round of applause from a distance. Let me know when you head back. You mentioned Wednesday. If it is Wednesday, just keep me posted. I want to make sure my boy's safe. We'll do. I'll be in touch. All right, brother.

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And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to SportsSlic on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicalife-12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok.