Bussin' With The Boys - Josh Pate Discusses The College Football Playoff W/ Will Compton & Taylor Lewan + Army Vs Navy Picks

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

Welcome back to The Locker Room with Josh Pate, Will Compton, & Taylor Lewan! This week, we dive into the College Football Playoff Bracket, Heisman Picks, and Army VS. Navy. New episodes every Wednesday at 6:00 PM CT.    Timestamps: 0:00 Open 2:20 SEC Championship 12:00 CFP Are Broken 30:10 SEC Bias 50:47 Utah Football Investment 58:14 NIL Issues 1:06:35 CFP Bracket 1:11:41 Heisman Picks 1:17:52 Army VS. Navy See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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old cast talk about it yeah should we get this may be a little weird should we give ourselves round applause or wait for somebody that's watching well someone's got to oh the guys seriously thank you guys really shouldn't have stop you shouldn't have unnecessary guys incredible but since you guys clapped we might as well talk about it was I hearing before the pod that uh uh, uh, uh, Pey was just breaking down tape. Yeah. Self scout with an IV in his arm, gave him back to full health. Do you? I don't know that the IV was necessary. HIPAA or hipo masculine. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm sitting in the chair this morning because I get the IV. It truthfully, I don't even know it's in that bag. But they put something in me every Wednesday morning at 7 a.m. So I have not watched

the alt cast. All I've had is my mom told me it was good. A few dudes online told me it sucked, which we talked about off air. Maybe we can mention on air if we have time later. And that's all I knew about it. We got good feedback from the people that matter at ESPN, though. And then it occurred to me this morning to search for it, and it's available on the ESPN app. So I had the IV in my arm, which I just realized I still have the mandate on my arm. Smart. You know, I make sure that take care of everything. And I watched, I watched the film. I thought we really peaked in the second half as the game went downhill quickly. So maybe the people did not see the best versions of ourselves.

But I thought it went really good. You called Cuevo, Mr. Cuevo several times. Had to. Several times. You can meet somebody for some time. You want to be a little more formal. I think that's the way to do it. The boys were laughing out because I gave him a handshake. Like you apparently dapped them up right before and I just.

What's weird about that too is like, you usually dab everybody up. Hey, man, great this too. And you go like this. It's never this. After that early season incident up at ESPN though with Hawk, I think you've been a little trepidious with the handshakes period. Yeah. You got no problem shaking my hand, shaking Taylor's hand. There are some hands, though, that you still look at and you go, how do I handle it?

Not Mitch's, not JPs, not JPs, not Jacks. I think we all know what we're. talking about not clays yeah yeah but yeah I thought the first quarter first off the dry run we're not even facing we've talked about it on bust on buss it but like I was like more I was very excited about the op knowing this four of us and like all of us together lifting the ship of like calling the game talking about even the person who's like being the quarterback and just going to play by play you can jump in at any moment and you give great insight I was like man this is really going to be a lot of fun, like the boys just kind of hanging out. And then when the dry run

happened, which by the way, dry run caught me off guard. No doubt. They didn't know we were going to be doing a driver. Once the monitors started going, I was like, wait on what's happening here? I hear Josh going. Isn't that the worst the first couple of times you do something and things are just happening? Yeah. You're realizing like, oh shit, I'm supposed to be focused on this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, when Will did his dry run and then looked up and just went, practice run. I thought, oh my God. You got to remember what Alabama did to go to stocked into the first game. That's this whole thing up. Yeah. And credit to him. Willie bombed in, man.

As soon as the lights are on, they said, hey, we're on. I had to go next play. You crushed it. I had to go next play. You absolutely killed it. It was awesome. And in the dry run, to be clear, there's nothing scripted about the game except the first five minutes before it kicks off, which is all we had to do a dry run for. And the producers were in the truck, like, hey, let's do a dry run.

And we are supposed to go in order, and they got preset packages, and we got it timed out when the anthem's going to happen, when the teams are going to take the field. and you drop this like 45 second to minute and a half just nugget of wisdom about offensive line play and they come in our ears like, Taylor, that's great. That has nothing to do with what we're talking about right now. Cue it back up. Start the truck. What's wild as I'm learning about this right now

because I never heard the producer say that. Great points. Totally relevant either. I wasn't hearing it either. I was just hearing the monologue Taylor was going on and seeing the screen switch and everything else just kind of chuckling to myself. Like I'm thinking, like, I'm sure we're probably supposed to have to get back.

G-P-O-T somewhere in here. Yeah. Yeah, long-winded boy, man. Long-winded boy. And then when it's, like, so loud. And Josh, you're like, you clearly look at one of us. Like, one time you and I made eye contact and you're talking, I can barely hear you. And as you're speaking to me, Caitlin comes in over you.

And so it goes to jump. I can hear you too. I'm just trying to read your lips now. And I just stare at you from a moment. I'm like, I got in my head most of that. Kenil's like, hey, by the other way, I've never heard. I'm thinking to myself. this is the worst time Caitlin you got to stop he's looking right at me i got to hear my boy i'm supposed

to talk next yeah i have no idea what he wants me to talk about here we go we're going to be going to in like 10 seconds dude yeah the first curse i'm like i just started talking and i'm like oh shit all right i guess hearing her talk over the year knowing that we can't hear ourselves and then just witnessing josh continue to stay in flow state going into commercial i was like but you know what it tells you know it lets you know it lets you know never sit at home and hate on an announcer for getting a a name wrong or for tripping over a word or for occasionally like mispronouncing the town they're in, those dudes have air traffic control in their ears. And it's like a very, very roided up version of what we were doing. We had minimum traffic in our ears. If you're doing legit, like, play-by-play

in the booth, you've got 37 different voices in your ear. Like, yeah, if I pronounce a name wrong every now and then, not the worst thing in the world. We're in fire or flight the entire time. Yeah. Yeah. Once a second half a minute to me, I'm breaking down. I'm breaking. I'm breaking down number three, CJ Allen. I'm going on this huge rant and it was number zero. Their D-Tackle. Talking about the A guy, talking about the alpha, the SEC. A correction, hand up. That is not C.J. Allen. You're going to get that a few times from Willie C.L.C. on this all cast. I thought that was great ownership though. Don't wait for the quality control email Monday morning.

Just own it on air. Yeah. Because you know everyone's yelling at you on the TV anyway. This dude is an idiot. Oh, there he is. He's calling himself an idiot. We're going to hear it a few more times, boys. CJ Allen, really good player, though. Really good player. Really good player. Really good tackles. Who was your favorite guest that we have? What did you guys think about like Taylor, Josh? You guys obviously were speaking with your inside voices. Will just felt like he was screaming the whole time. Yeah, Will was, Will was the night before WrestleMania 93. Will went full ultimate warrior. I was really surprised, no face paint. That was all that was missing. I thought he was

going to come with a little, a little brother. There was a part of me that started thinking about it before the game, but I was like, let's not, let's not get too obnoxious. We talked, we talked to the lower level. He talked to the 300s. He talked to the upper deck. Yeah. You're in every man's and I was picturing people in just in a crowded bar watching the game. He's like, I want to make sure everyone can hear. Will's the Roman Emperor in the Coliseum before technology existed. I've just got to speak with my outdoor voice or these people aren't going to hear me. I got to yell kill and it's got to echo around this entire building. That's a PI. He brought it. When, if you watch back, I'm sure there's a couple times if we're on camera, and Will starts to talk,

go to my thing and like turn it down for a second if it finishes and I'll just like go back and turn it up so I just come from what else because dude I don't know about you guys but like when I got home my ear was ringing until like two o'clock the next day yeah like just because do you have two in two little I had two I had two of them guys just start talking about

and I'm like trying to like get to his other ear because I'm assuming and he's like leaning that ear and I'm like no I'm trying to speak to just you nobody else and then I'm like hang on let me get this thing out of my ear yeah and I really he's got both of them I just have the one in my right ear so I can kind of like, I don't know, I feel like with that much, you kind of feel like you're in a little more of a bubble. Oh, I very much felt like I was in a bubble. Yeah. If anybody was talking to me, I was like, hang on a second. I'll just give him the mic.

I'm like, this is my only chance of hearing you. And it was so confusing me for like the first 30 minutes. I'm like, why can't he just hear the words coming out of mouth or in a commercial like, no one's screaming. It was great too. We got Sean Alexander that walked up. We got Brandon Spikes walks up. We had Cuevo later in the show, later in the broadcast walks up. and they're walking up and they're talking to you and you have no clue what they're saying and you either put your own mic up to their face or if you don't want to seem really weird

and they don't even know what you're trying to do you just kind of daff him up and say yeah absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely that is 100% to go to. Yeah meanwhile they walked up for all you know and say bro my grandma died last week but I'm still happy to do the broadcast.

Absolutely. Absolutely. You're the absolute man. You're the absolute man. That reminded me too you brought up Sean Alexander there was one time we were going into commercial and he was taking the entire He was talking the entire time I'm like giggling to myself

I don't think he's like I know Peyton wants to get in here but Sean Alexander ain't stopping in time soon and I see the monitors go to like the first commercial He's still talking to you And I'm just looking at him and Harry's like What a guy Harry's making him feel so good right now We're 15 seconds to an Affleck commercial

Sean Alexander's Dude I remember we played here in 99 And we beat Florida And Spikes is standing over there It's the middle of an Afflat commercial Middle of it was great Spikes was awesome. Yeah, he came in with some serious energy.

He could have done the whole thing. Yeah, Spikes, yeah. I can't wait to get him on the bus. He should be part of the squad. Mr. Cuevo as well. Be nice to get him on the bus. He won't. Spikes, I could feel like, I'm saying Cuevo.

Why won't he? Because he's a superstar. He's a rock star. He's got things to do. He's going to, he appreciates. He's too good for us. He's not like, he's not above. And that's all I need to work here.

He's not above. He's, he'll see us. He'll dab it up. He'll chop it up. we need him for a segment, I'm sure he'll come on if he's at that place. But I'm thinking like, I'm thinking overall picture, we could probably hit him. Spikes and Spikes will be ready to get down to Nashville.

No doubt. Spikes would be ready to go. Cuevo. Already did? Already did. All right. We'll be back and on vacation. Let's fucking go.

Cuevo also, Cuevo posted you guys on his Instagram. So I mean, he did follow him after the podcast. He's like, 23 million followers. Yeah, I mean, he's global. I don't know he was like that. Like, I, you know, I still got a K next to mine,

which is probably. Let's dive in. Before we get into Army Navy, well, that's obviously. That's the main event. That's the main event. Miami, Notre Dame, and you said, I didn't write this, but Alabama should be in there as well. Have we not cleared the air on the playoff? Like, where do you sit right now when you look at these 12 teams?

I sit at, in 2025 this season, the college football playoff, the system is broken. Yeah, I agree. The process is broken. or the system is broken or are they the same thing? And this is coming from an industry plant. Yeah, honestly, I don't even know. I'm kind of nervous speaking in front of Josh because you know somewhere in that ear

he's got a bug in there because somebody in New York's telling him what they say. Yeah, here he goes. He's wired. There's things to fix. Like what? So to me, it's broken. That's crazy.

ACCC tiebreaker. I agree with you on that. Okay. You can't call me a plant and then agree with me. I need the stuff that you think I'm wrong about. Yeah, but so are you saying this? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, ACC, time for here, what?

Time out. Are you saying the system's not broken? I'm saying the process is broken. I'm saying the system can't be broken if it gave me the teams I think should be in. Not the G5 teams, that's its own separate thing. You and I agree. You and I agree on the G5 thing. Okay, system broken.

The G5 thing, we all agree with that. If we could take that and we could set it on the table, we agree on that. The rest of it, which came down to the whole Miami, Notre Dame, Alabama thing, It gave me the teams that I thought should be in. So obviously I don't think the entire system is broken, but the process, the Tuesday night rankings release, Hunter Eurocheck, like North Korean style propagandizing right up until the 11th hour,

and then they just flip the pancake on Notre Dame. Notre Dame's rightfully irate about that. They opted out of their bowl game, which I thought was a little extreme, but still I understand why they feel that way. And so even if you did get it right, even if the product is right, if the process is wrong,

you just like fomented distrust in the entire thing. So from that, like from that angle, yes, the model or the system is broken, but I don't think the results were broken, if that makes any sense. It makes a little bit of sense, but Notre Dame all the way up until that point, like Notre Dame got squeezed out of the college world playoff.

Yes. Like we watched with our own eyes, Alabama get whooped by Georgia. Yep. We're up there, and I'm not saying BYU should have been in all the way up until the very end of the rankings. We all knew BYU wasn't going to be in.

Yeah. But the way that, they talked about BYU. We saw what happened on the football field today. And that kind of, you know, they were never going to be in the equation. We bumped them back. And then you go into a full protection mode for Alabama that they don't even drop a ranking. So what I'm saying is Notre Dame was sitting at nine.

And by the way, they never really explained why they flipped Alabama and Notre Dame. Hunter sat up there and talked about they had a gutsy call on fourth down when they survived Auburn and Notre Dame, whoop Stanford. But they flipped. Your boy here explained it to you. I told you what they were. were doing. Insurance policy. I told you what was coming. Yeah, an insurance policy in case we got the doomsday scenario that you called a long time ago that could happen. Which is amazing that the

doomsday scenario that you've been talking about for multiple weeks literally took place. It took place, but also like let's, all right, so that's corrupt. What you said is corrupt. The, the fallacy, but that's not really the right word. The flaw in their entire approach is they overcorrected to begin with. So my viewpoint, I got to zoom out the telescope a little bit. My viewpoint is, Bama should have already been ahead of Notre Dame, but I also believed Miami should have already been ahead of Notre Dame. But they really knee-jerked several times in this whole process. They knee-jerked in that when the rankings came out,

that was I think right after Bama lost Oklahoma, or either the rankings came out, then Bama lost to Oklahoma. They dropped them like six spots, which was way too far. So that was point one. Point two was when the rankings came out, Miami was at 18, which was too low. We said that at the time. I didn't even know that we were going to head towards this conclusion, but I said at the time, there's no way Miami should be that low.

And Notre Dame should be that high. The third part, Notre Dame being that high, I thought was sort of predictive. They were putting Notre Dame high in preparation for what they thought Notre Dame was going to do. But that's not what you should be doing with the ranking. Your ranking should solely reflect the body of work. Not, well, yeah, we know Notre Dame's lost two games, but we think they're going to go on a run. So we're already going to put them where they would be if they went on that run. Because then what you did is times three, you made a big mess down the road where you had to correct it.

because what they're hoping is they can screw the rankings up, and then the teams will just sort it out for him. Kind of like Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss. They knew if he was going to leave, that they weren't going to let him coach the playoff. But they kept on putting off facing that fact because they just hoped the world would work itself out. Well, it didn't.

And then it got really messy at the end. The playoff committee didn't do their job properly, so it got really messy at the end. And so then people have like this tunnel vision. They got the racehorse blinders on, and all they see is that final snapshot, which is totally fair. It's not the public's job to do the committee's job. And so the public looks at it and sees just what you said and just what I said, which is, independent of what I think should have been, what was, was Notre Dame was ahead of Miami going into the final week. Neither of them played. And then all of a sudden at the 11th hour, the committee came in and said, well, you know, there's a head-to-head between these teams. We need to flip them. Well, the head-to-head was there last week and two weeks ago and three weeks ago. It's been there all season. Yeah, that's my point is when you're looking at deep state college football and big conference,

they're talking to us like they're talking to America like we're all idiots and we can't see through what they had to do in the 11th hour. Because the way it was set up, like Notre Dame was, again, number nine for a long period of time until they dropped to 10. We go into conference championship weekend. Everybody talks about should conference championship games meet anything? Should they not mean anything? We saw two teams, BYU and their championship game, Bama and their championship game, Bama and their championship, get whooped. And again, the committee went in full protection mode on Bama and protected their ranking at large. Because we were having the conversation the night before. This is one where Notre Dame and Bama are now side by side.

They can easily flip back to where Notre Dame is now nine because, again, they still never explained why they put Bama ahead in the first place. But we all knew was the insurance policy. But now Alabama is sitting there at nine. They got whooped. They sit there and talk about BYU. Their ranking didn't get protected out large. I know they were never in the college football playoff. I know they were never getting in unless they won.

But they still drop to get Miami right next to Notre Dame. And now they're feeding everybody the head-to-head game, which is that's what they want everybody eating at. But if Virginia wins, Miami's not getting, Notre Dame is in the college football playoff. Yeah, two things. Virginia's getting in. Does that make sense?

That makes sense. Two things. All right. So you asked, what do you mean about the ACC tiebreaker? So I'm going to hit that in a second because that would have fixed everything. Yeah, and that simply would have. The thing with Brigham Young, people are making this argument, and people are saying, hey, why did Brigham Young fall?

But Alabama didn't fall? Because they look the same on Saturday. Both of them are in conference championship games. Both of them lose convincingly. Brigham Young drops. Would they drop one spot? Two spots? Dropped enough to just get Miami next another.

Even if they dropped in one spot, they dropped further than Alabama. They goes Bama didn't drop. All right. A couple of things that if I wanted to play devil's advocate, if I was a deep state plant, and I may be, what I would say is, One of them is a comfortable truth, and that is, Brigham Young winning got smoked by a team that already smoked them before.

Bama went and got smoked by a team they beat in their own building earlier in the season. So at least BAMI's track record has a win over Georgia this year. BYU never got close to Texas Tech. The second thing, this is the uncomfortable truth, is what I told you last week and the week before, and that is whether people want to admit it or not, the treatment of conferences is conditional in college football. The Big 12 is not going to get the same respect the SEC does.

The Big 12 is not going to get the same respect the Big 10 does. And that's just the way it is. You don't have to like it, but I'm telling you that's why that happened. And then the third thing, the ACC tiebreaker, which I keep glossing over because I think people live in the weeds of this, but they don't. If nothing else changed but the ACC fix their tiebreakers, none of this would have happened. And what needs to be fixed with the ACC tiebreaker? All they would need to do. So everyone's first tiebreakers head to head.

So if you and I are six and two in conference and I played you and I beat you, I get the tiebreaker. That's universal. The second tiebreaker should be conference standings based on the college football playoff rankings. So if we've got a five-way tie in the ACC, it doesn't come down to what a sixth grade calculations equate to or whatever. It should be the college football playoff rankings. And in that case, Miami would have gone to Charlotte. And they probably would have won convincingly. Miami would have been the ACC's team, and it would have been a moot point.

Bama would have been in, only one G5 team would have been in, Notre Dame would have been in, and Miami would have been in. Yeah. Instead, we got this because the ACC couldn't get out of its own way to the point where a five-loss team ended up in their conference title game. Yeah, Virginia couldn't get the job done with the ACC. Because you wouldn't have the two. You wouldn't have the two, yeah, you wouldn't have those two G-5s. But even if Virginia got the job done, there's not that much difference in Virginia and the G-5 team. Like Virginia is going to be a 16, some odd point dog, whereas James Madison's a 21 point dog.

Either way, there's going to be a huge gap. Like, there's going to be an undeserving team by universal standards in the playoff either way. Whereas if Miami would have gone to Charlotte and won, at least you have a playoff caliber team. At least you have a team loaded up with future Sunday guys, a team that realistically could make noise. You don't say that about Tulane. You don't say that about James Madison. Now, if we could broach this for just a second, the whole G5 and you. inclusion thing. I think a lot of people make faulty arguments about why the G5 shouldn't be in the

playoff. So you got people who think the G5 should be in the playoff. So we'll do this again. They're on the table here. They're not part of this conversation. You already have your opinion. There are those of us. Are you in, yeah, you're definitely, man. You're Mr. Anti-G-5. I'm not, I respect. You, you, you, hold, hold on. You despise the very fiber of the being of a player on a G-5 roster. We're doing this again. So I would say, I would say to, I would say to, to argue for Taylor when we were first talking about, I'm right here. Okay, well, defending Taylor, when we were first talking about the G5 teams on Busson, it's more so 2025 watching the G5 teams, knowing like none of these teams should be in the college. Not close. Not with the way we're

arguing about all these other teams that are on the bubble. Yes. You are a believer. Every G5 school, Lee like remembers Boise State Oklahoma Fiesta Bowl. And they-B state Michigan. Well, okay. All right. I'm just, I mean that, you know, keep blank. as well. And they think, oh, we could do all these things. That's like, hey, Boise State that year in the Fiesta Bull, August Oklahoma was an outlier. If the college football playoff was structured at 12 teams, I agree. They should probably be in. They would probably be like seven seats. Boise State making it last year. I'm like, yeah, okay, I could see this team coming in being a little destructive or making games closely, at least competitive. But I don't think G5 teams should just get a bit in because it's fair.

Like we all have to be equal in making sure that everyone is represented somehow. Like college football is great. These kids go from high school. They're one percenters. They get to go play football, whether it's a big school, small school, whatever. When it comes to the college football playoff, I want the 12 best teams that are going to be the best matchups, the down-of-the-wire games that I can sit there and be like, who truly is the best team? Because I keep bringing a Vanderbilt and Texas can be in the conversation too. It's in like Notre Dame. Like they all should have a good argument to be in the college football playoffs.

But yet it was never an option because one G-5 team has to make it. And now because the ACC can't hold their end of the bargain of being a powerful conference, two G5 teams have to get him. Yep. I have respect for both those teams, but I do not think they should be in the close world playoff. All right. All right. There's, they should be zero.

Systems broken. Systems broken. So let me. But here, the thing I love about this season, though, is stuff like this has to happen for change to take place. Because a lot of people, I've seen a lot of people, go, hey, we've got to go to 16, we've got to 24. It's like, if you keep kicking the can. down the road of more and more teams and a couple weeks ago i said here i was like i kind of like the idea of 16 i don't like the idea of 16 right now because the process the timing the calendar

has to change for the count for the playoff bracket to be correct then we can go and look at the 16 whatever people want to do the the the playing games those types of things but if it's not fixed at 12 it's not going to be fixed at 16 because we're going to have the same argument just down the road so i agree with you the three of us largely agree on this g5 stance but here's what i want to to anyone out there watching because there are a lot of debates about this and people get themselves caught up in debates and one of the worst stances you can take about the G5 view is I don't think G5 teams should be in because they can't compete in the playoff I don't think JMU should be in because they're going to get blown out by Oregon it leaves this really really obvious hole in your

theory and that is what happens if they go out there and it's a competitive game in the fourth quarter your argument is shot that shouldn't be your argument like what your argument should be is I don't think G5 teams should be in the playoff, because here's my argument. I don't think G5 teams should be in the playoff because they don't meet the minimum baseline of struggle during the regular season that it should take to merit playoff inclusion. I was looking at the schedule last night. I took JMU and I took Oklahoma, and I put them next to each other. And I just looked at our power ratings.

They're going to be similar with everyone's power ratings. Like Fandul would have roughly the same numbers. JMU played no teams power rated top 30. They played one team power rated top 50 and they lost to them by 14 points. Louisville. Outside of that, their toughest opponent was Old Dominion, who's number 52. That's their best win over number 52. Oklahoma played eight teams power rated in the top 30. They're not playing the same sport. Yeah. So I don't, my argument about the G5 would be the same whether JMU gets beat 50 to nothing or whether they legit go an upset organ. That proves nothing to me because I don't judge you

based on what I think you would be capable of. I judge you based on what I think you earned. And my very simple stance on G5 is the strength of schedule that they play does not warrant inclusion into the playoff. Because you're not playing the same caliber of football. You're not playing the same caliber of opponent. And the other thing is if people want to go back and point out the upsets in the past,

the Boise of like the late 2000s, those teams would murder current G5 teams because you didn't have the transfer portal and NIL that works the way it works right now. The way it works now is anything that is like the slightest blinking light on these G5 rosters immediately gets posted by the big boys. It happens with coaches too. We're watching both of these teams in the playoff whose head coaches already took power for jobs. The players do the same thing.

So it's impossible for a G5 program to ever start to elevate to the level where they would be remotely comparable to the big boys. So then people listen to that and they stop listening really third. 30 seconds in and they just think, oh man, you must hate the G5. Why do you hate the little guy? Why do you hate us having a seat at the table? I don't. I just wish you had your own table that made sense. And it gave you enough to eat to where if you really do get big enough,

you take the place of one of the weaker guys up at the head table. Because we got plenty of weak chairs at the head table. So if you want promotion and relegation to where you're not permanently banished to table number two, but we're also acknowledging there's a clear difference in Louisiana State University and Louisiana Monroe University, that's the world I would love to live in. It sounds so logical and then they just, they beat it like a pinata. Right. Yeah, for me and for G5s to even have a conversation to get in the playoffs, it would have

to be like you're 12 and O. It's obvious without an auto bid. Yes, you're 12 and O and you're winning, you're winning all your games by multiple touchdowns. And it's like, to them it might be unfair, but based on like the Old Dominion being their best win, as Jamie you were talking about. Yeah. Being their best win, it's like, that's like, that's.

That's crazy to me. Yeah. When someone says Old Dominion to me, I think about a band, not a football team. Maybe the freight line. Yeah. It's like, that's nuts. And now we've got to deal with those two teams. The thing I do love, though, is like, now we get into.

And I thought, like, one of your points was maybe the best point is, like, to get into the cultural playoff. You have to have a minimum ranking. Or a minimum struggle. A minimum struggle or a minimum struggle. Yeah. It's like if I could be the top ranked figure skater in the world. And you could be number seven.

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Well said. You said something earlier. I want to talk about the SEC bias. You guys, you, you, earlier you were talking about SEC, Big 12. Big 12 is never going to be compared to the SEC. Big 12 is not going to be compared to the Big Ten. Texas Tech. But also it's like we were on the Alcass, and I sat there a couple times.

in that second half and I'm looking at the camera and I'm like put Notre Dame in Miami both in the playoff over Alabama I think everybody understands that the SEC does carry they carry the bigger stick they carry the deeper pockets they have the most depth as far as talent different rosters and teams in the SEC yeah but that to me it doesn't mean that we should just accept it when we know that hey there is there there very much is SEC bias coming into this equation because when they put Notre Dame in Miami in front of the people and all we do is nitpick as much as we can for whatever their resumes are. We talk about their week one matchup where Miami beat them by three points. We're talking about how badly they beat teams who are inferior to them.

But then when Alabama gets in this situation, they're getting whooped right there in the SEC championship game. And you're thinking, well, what was Alabama doing in week one when Miami beat Notre Dame by three points? They were losing to FSU. They were getting mopped by Florida State. Yep. And if we're looking at how are they performing late in the season against inferior opponents, They beat South Carolina, JP, no disrespect. They beat South Carolina by seven points. They had to hang on to that. They went in, oh.

So close to being right. They didn't beat LSU very badly when LSU had just fired their coach and BAMA was coming off a biweek, I believe. And then they survive Albert, limp into the SEC championship, get whooped by a team that they had beat by three points earlier in the year. But they got whooped. Same way BYU, same way we've seen ass whoopens happen.

So to me, I'm thinking, I feel like it's justified when everybody's thinking, And, yo, is Alabama a top team that should be in the college football over these other teams that we're arguing about all the bubble? Because we've seen them over the last month, and they're clearly wounded going into this thing. Do you mind if I ask one question before you go ahead? Absolutely.

Because what I'm going to do over here while you ask is I'm going to zoom the telescope out. Okay. Because I have context. You're not wrong. I just have context to add to it. I'm with the telescope thing too. I just, I don't want to. If Alabama did not play Georgia in the SEC championship and we didn't say that result,

that is wiped from our brain, do you believe Alabama should have been in the playoffs? Yes. Okay. So if we're going to go into an SEC championship where there's two other teams that are in the playoffs already that didn't earn the right to play in that game, and we're going to... Three. What's that? Three, excuse me. And we're going to judge those teams. We're going to judge the two teams that have earned the right to play in a game for a championship. And we're going to judge them so much that they are now losing a chance to, which is the ultimate prize is the national championship. How is that fair to Alabama? Because they can lean on eight. They had eight guys out. I think three or four that is some of their best, some of their best. Some of their best. best players on the team. And yeah. To that, I agree. But that to me is where it's like the fact that they got protected with their ninth ranking at large is what blows my mind. Because again, they can still earn their way into the playoff because you move them down to 10. They're still in the playoff in that situation. And to me, it's like, are these championship games like, what do

they even mean to everybody? Because if Bama wins, they all of a sudden, we're talking to them getting the potential by week. They get to jump up so many. slots. You have a reward. It's a reward. It's like, okay, if they mean, if the championship teams mean nothing for the teams that lose that are already positioned in the college football playoff, it's like, all right, this is a dumb argument, but it's like, all right, so Ohio State lost by three, why should they lose their at-large ranking at still being the number one team? But I know that's just a flip. They're playing for the one seat. Yeah, you're going to movement overall. Why are we moving teams? Why? Okay, BYU got whipped again, protecting their

at large ranking at 11. Why do they have to get moved down? If two teams play each other and championship game and the winner of that game got a buy that's worth playing for also Alabama plays that game knowing hey if we win it yeah that's what we're playing for we're playing for a conference title and we're playing to jump up into the buy territory if they lose it even if they're still in it's not like they got they didn't get punished because they end up being one of the only teams in the playoff that ended up having to play five games to win a national title like from the end of the regular season you go play your conference title game we'll miss it and Not Oklahoma's not they're sitting at home.

So if you go playing Atlanta and you lose, it's not like that game didn't have it. It's not like the bumps and bruises didn't happen. Exactly. Then you don't get a first round by, so you got four more to go after that. You end up playing five games, which is probably impossible for them, to win a national title. But go back to the telescope. If we zoom it out a little bit, they did get smoked by Florida State at the beginning of the year. They did get smoked at the end of the year by Georgia.

They did look suspect on the road against South Carolina. They did look, they looked okay. Like they covered against LSU. It's just defense had to carry it. Covered. They did have to hold on against Auburn. All that stuff happened. But it's important to note that right before that,

they had that stretch where they had to play at Georgia with one of the best wins in the season, going on the road and winning in Athens. And then they had to play Vanderbilt and beat them by double digits. And then they had to go on the road before Missouri was injured and their season was shot. And they beat them on the road. And then they had to come home and beat Tennessee. So that little four-week stretch that's more impressive than anything, anything anyone went through all year, I think provides a lot of context in terms of injury,

in terms of vulnerability down the stretch for why Alabama looked the way they did. And while everyone's asking, well, what were y'all doing while Notre Dame was busy playing two top teams in the beginning of the season, apply that same logic. When Notre Dame was playing that, like, jelly middle of their season, what was Alabama doing? Bama was in the meat of their schedule. They're in the absolute trenches. They're playing four in a row. Instead of there's one here, then a month later, there's another one,

they went boom, boom, boom, boom, no buy, go on the road to Columbia, South Carolina. And like, that's why I remember when we broke that game down. And we were just talking about get out of there by one point, get out of there by any means necessary, because they're beat to death, get to the by week, however you can. Like, it was just big for me that they won that game, period, having provided the context of what they had just gone through. So you can apply, like, you can apply that logic. But to me, you've got to apply the whole logic. Like, you got to look at the whole picture.

That's why I didn't think it was unfair that they were in the top 10, 9, whatever. You can argue they shouldn't have jumped Notre Dame right before the final Sunday. But my counter would be they already should have been ahead of Notre Dame. So it should have been a moot point, which was kind of my stance all along. I thought it was dumb that they weren't ahead of Notre Dame. I thought it was dumb that Miami wasn't already ahead of Notre Dame, which provided a lot of the fireworks at the end. But we end up arguing about, like, the merit of teams. When you ought to be arguing about how, like, mind-numbingly stupid, the price.

process of the committee was because you find out, oh man, a lot of us actually kind of agree. What are we yelling about? We're yelling about the committee. That's what you're yelling about. Yeah. And the way the committee breaks down the games are going for a fourth, like, you know, being up. Dude, I'm telling you, man, you got to have. It is so ridiculous when they can literally just use logic to explain their answers. And it's simple. Like, Miami head to head and common opponents were better than Notre Dame. Regardless, there's the beginning of the season, at the end of season, whatever it was. Miami should be in over them.

That's just what is. They're more deserving. Regardless what they're better or not. If you just say that, is Notre Dame really feeling this big of a fit? Without they're like breaking all ties with the ACC now? You remember going into conference champions of Saturday when they jumped Alabama above Notre Dame? I looked at it and I said, oh, well, better late than never. You corrected your flaw.

Then Hunter Eurecheck, the committee chair, came on camera. And Reese Davis asked him, why did Alabama jump Notre Dame? and that dude started listing the reasons. And one of the things he said was, well, you know, they jumped out to a 17-0 lead. Auburn came back to tie the game. So they also blew a 17-0 lead. Well, they ran the ball better today.

Well, you know, they had a gutsy call on 4th and 2, and I just sat there and I just went, oh, no, I can't defend this. They made a move I agree with, and yet this sounds so bad. I'm going to have to spend all my time criticizing this. even though it correlates with the decision that I agree with. It's the craziest thing the committee does to you.

Yeah. To me, that's where it's like if there's accountability in the college world pile of committee to see how they're breaking all this stuff down. Because again, he's saying all that stuff publicly, making everybody else feel like, yo,

we see through all of this bullshit. We're going to need a better argument. An argument that you provided with Alabama, the gauntlet being in the playoff. And to me, it's like the logic of how that year ended and everything else. That logic is like, where is that?

logic when, again, they could just move down. They're still in the playoff and they could just move down a slot. But they couldn't do it because Virginia couldn't take care of business for the conference of the ACC. So they needed to find a way. We got to figure out a way to get to manipulate this, get these guys together. Hey, we value the head-to-head game. It's like, that wasn't it. If Virginia wins, Miami isn't in over Notre Dame.

I can't believe this is a world. We can't believe this is the world we live in. Now, can I fill it one more theory to you guys? This is a very 50,000 foot theory. So a lot of people who are saying that playoff expansion is the way you fix all this. I, of course, disagree with that. But let's remove the Notre Dame stuff for a second. Think about Vandy, think about Texas, think about Brigham Young, because those are teams that were just on the outside looking in.

Or last year, it would have been South Carolina and Alabama and Ole Miss. So last year, people were saying, we need to expand, these teams deserve a shot. I disagreed. It is my belief that people being mad at the end of the season. isn't automatically evidence that something's broken. I think that if you have a playoff that's the proper size, you'll know it because there will be anger at the end of a season.

Because it was exclusive enough to where not everybody could get in, therefore some people were left outside the door banging on it, but that just means there's still enough scarcity and that valuable thing you have that it means something. If you expand to the point where no one's mad, it means you got a playoff that's way too big.

That's how I feel about that. I don't disagree that 12 teams is the proper amount for a playoff. I just think in 2025, where we're currently at with this system, this system was broken this year because of 2G5 teams being in. And there was the squeeze out operation to get Notre Dame out when they led them to believe the entire time when all these rankings came out every Tuesday that they were going to be in the college football playoff. Can you believe this happened to Notre Dame of all programs?

Because for my entire life growing up in the South, I was taught that the entire system was rigged in the favor of Notre Dame. Yeah. And now we fast forward to present day. And Notre Dame's making the kind of argument that like a Fresno state would have made in the past. Man, you're boxing us out. The system's built. It's rigged against us.

Yeah. Notre Dame football. Who's the favorite child of college football? Rage against the machine, South Bend, Indiana. Who also Notre Dame got a clause in there. What was it, the MOU? where it's like if they're a top 12 next year they have an automatic bid? Lost Dellinger man over Yahoo was just licking that index finger flipping through papers

and realized that. And to his credit, he said, wait a second, no one's reported this. And it's just there, but it's in all that boring legalese and you got to like push the readers way down on the tip of the nose to even read it in there. And he saw that and he reported it and everyone was like, wait a second. So they're making this argument. they're like railing against the operation knowing this will never happen to them again

like mathematically or contractually they're guaranteed it'll never happen again where did that come from no one knew that I had never heard that before this past week never heard the automatic I never heard that they had negotiated as part of agreeing to

whatever current and present or future version of the playoff we're going to have that they're guaranteed if they're in the top 12 they get a they get a playoff spot or if it expands to 16 like whatever the size of the playoff is if they're in that number or higher

they get a spot in the playoff which has a lot of people up in arms honestly there's a very very minute chance that that ever comes into play but ironically it would have come into play this year but here's my counter all right so you're thinking based on that language you're thinking oh man if that was in place this year

then that means even though Miami was 10th and Notre Dame was 11th Notre Dame would have still gotten in. Well, if you believe that the system is built against you, how do you not know the committee wouldn't have just bumped you down another spot? And they wouldn't have just bumped you down to 13. If you believe that.

Like, I don't know that the system's rigged against them. I think the system ironically favored them too much in the regular season and had to correct itself, which is corrupt and flawed and stupid, but that's the way it happened. But I don't know that that just automatically gives me all the comfort in the world if I'm a Notre Dame fan. An example of them being comfortable.

is losing their first two games and still being in the top 25. That being like the first time in however many years that's ever happened. Right. Like, yeah, that process, it kind of did it to themselves. But to me, it's like, yo, if they would just come out and say the reality of the situation versus trying to make stuff up to where if you just look behind the curtain, you can figure out what happened. To me, I feel like that would play with more favor from the public eye.

You know what I mean? Like a few weeks ago, when they kind of flipped Bama, Notre Dame, They started to put insurance policies in place. Hey, BYU, you could be collateral damage here if they get woolp. It's just more like if at any point that they came out said, hey, we kind of messed this up. Dude, from the jump. Like Miami, we do value that. Yeah, it's like if we can get accountability.

If they talked like normal people. Yeah, we're sorry. We actually made a mistake. We actually did not put in the head to head or the pit game or any of that. Miami should be over over Notre Dame because of these reasons. Because I like, we made a mistake. It's like, yeah, we're probably all pissed off. We're like, oh, these guys made a mistake.

Who's to say it's not going to happen again? But like, at least they're not hiding behind bullshit. Like a gutsy call or having a 17-point lead. Fourth and two guys, no other coach made a call to go for it on 4th down Saturday. Just Ryan Grub in Alabama. Hey, how about just saying this? We changed our mind. Yeah.

We could just say we're 13 humans. And as we continue to watch the games, we changed our mind. Because every other person does that. Is upset as people want to? be that are not the non-Alabama fans out there who want to be upset about Alabama being in, imagine if Alabama lost where they did in the SEC championship and they're out now, what would take place in college football? I don't think we would have an SEC championship.

I don't think we'd have conference championships at all anymore. Not that they, not that people care, because if you're anti-Alabama, you probably don't care about the SEC championship game. I'm just saying there's a lot of other collateral damage that comes along with that, and I don't really even know what it is as I say it. I just know it would have been a mess. Kind of would have been fun to watch. Purely, like, voyeuristically.

want to watch the world burn it would have been interesting me yeah because i'm sitting there on the selection sunday when i see bam at nine i was like man i guess it's going to be is it going to be nether dame here is it going to be miami and you're just kind of sitting there waiting and then when you see the miami one come across i'm like oh shit this is going to be if i if i had surveillance footage of you as you were watching it what would i had seen you would have saw i'm sitting there and i'm like hang on sweetheart i just got to see yes i'll play hide and see with you here in a second i just got to see what happens here with my head. So you have your hand on your child's forehead. Yeah, I push her back a little bit. And I see it happen and I go, oh, shit. And Charles's like, what? And I'm like, you have no

idea what just happened. The world just changed. Yeah. Sweet I need five minutes on my fault. Set the timer. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, dude. It's, it's nuts. And the way Notre Dame is handling this. Like when they say we're not going to play a bowl game, I'm personally of the opinion that the only thing that matter is about bowl games is the 15 practices that you get. And the games. Playing in the game and the gifts. But playing in the game, there's going to be so many guys that sit out. It's not going to, it's like really a chance to get the scrimmage.

It's an exhibition match now. Yeah, but for some guys, some seniors who are never going to play again. I don't disagree. The cheerleaders, the band, all of that, for them to say, oh, shit, like that, the last game. We didn't know it was our last game. We didn't take a moment to sit there and go, you know, kind of look around like, hey, it was a fun ride. I have empathy for all of that. Yeah.

I feel like it was kind of, it was a weird move. Like I understand, emotional move in the moment. This is what they're standing on. This is where they're going to probably came more than likely from the administration. Their positioning of it, they're going to get torch for it for the rest of time, especially knowing what we know with the MOU where they're in the spot that they want to be in from here on out. You know what I mean? Like they're not going to, they won't be in the spot again as long as they're in the top 12 or however,

things get fixed within the process. And Clark leave me in like, Oh, you guys, you know, not did the book? He was like, no, we love football here. That stuff. He's part of big conference. He's in on it. He's in, he's in a big conference.

Clark's just playing the role. He's doing what he's told. Yeah, he's just reading off the seat that's in to him. He got the text from hate. Yeah, it's tough. You know, I was telling a story yesterday. When we were in the Big 12 championship, I believe in 09, and we lost that one second game to Texas when they kicked that field goal.

They put the second back on the clock. They kicked the field goal. It was known that we were going to the Big Ten, you know, after that next year or whatever. So everybody in their mind. thought it was like Big 12 was against us. I still at this day believe Big 12 was against us. But we lose the Big 12 championship. It's us

in Texas. Texas wins. They win by that game winning field goal. They go on to play in the national championship against Alabama. Well, the delegation for the Big 12 champion loser, like where we were a position when bowl games mattered a lot. It was the Fiesta Bowl got a Big 12th team.

The, was it the Cotton Bowl, the Alamo Bowl, I believe. We got delegated all the way down, a get all the way down to the Holiday Bowl, which everybody, yeah, San Diego, which everybody was pissed off. Because again, we're in our heads. We're the number two Big 12 team. All these other bowl games that are slotted for Big 12 that we get to get chosen with. And you know, the Nebraska fan base and we were playing. We had Endomboe and Sue Heisman. We had like the number one scoring defense in the country. And we get pushed all the way down to the holiday bowl. Bo comes in

the team room when all this got decided and asked everybody outright, do you guys even want to play in this fucking game? Like I'll tell you right now, I'll burn the whole thing down if you guys want to. Guys stood up. We decided obviously to play the game. Wooped Arizona that year. But it was a conversation in that moment to give people an inside look at when you feel like you just get wronged in a situation in that moment of time, which I'm sure, again, Notre Dame, there was no explanation, no nothing. It's like, you know, we've been sitting in the top 10 the entire, since the college football ranks have come out. And now all of a sudden you're just throwing this in here at us in our face. I'm sure they are, we're all in the team room and everything

else very emotional but yeah i remember bow comes into you guys won't even playing this fucking game and saying like i will burn this place down how long was that meeting uh probably about 15 minutes because it was emotional we just man we we we felt like they put the second back on this when reviews like it wasn't like a reviewable play to go and put a second back on they put it back on they kicked the field going win you felt like you won the big 12 championship but it was like a very emotional next week and then you know bowl games get picked and everything else and it was it was very tense, very tight. Like everybody was pretty angry how we felt like we got treated getting pushed down to

the holiday bowl. Back when bowl games were a big time thing. That was before people had opted out too. So you fast forward 15, 16 years, I could especially understand at Notre Dame, now that it's normal to opt out of bowls, don't take bulls seriously, you think you just got shafted out of a playoff spot. Yeah. I mean, walking in, the default mechanism is, yeah, we're done.

We're not participating in this. That's why I said when a million people. ask me, what do you think about Notre Dame opting out of a bowl game? Well, I personally hate the concept, but I'm not going to rail against them and act like I don't understand it. Yeah, so what would we live in it? Yeah, like I totally get where their mind is.

You think Jeremy Love is going to play in that game? No. No shot. No. You're thinking about... That ultra? That ultra. Then bragging rights. Michael Obotra. Superiors, we're playing for. And we're playing for a Mikkelobulcher.

We've started this raw paper scissors. And right now, I'm leading the series 8 to 6. At one point, I was down to... this would be catastrophic for you if you lose this one. Possibly. Rob, paper, scissors, shoot. Superior is worth playing for. Now it's 8.7?

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I have a quick question about Will, you tweeted about it yesterday, and I don't know, Josh, if you can give more insight about it. The whole Utah thing going with that. Oh, when I said what could go wrong where it seems like this. Can you explain that situation more? Yeah, Utah bought a P. or some private equity company bought a piece of Utah? Is that what we're talking about? It's essentially, it's essentially.

Wall Street getting involved. It's like a minority football team. Fighting against for the Big Ten, correct? As a whole, the Big Ten as a whole. Yeah. This is an individual athletic department, basically taking an infusion of private equity money. Over 500 million.

Yeah. It's no small figure. It is, it's, you can see it coming from a long way away. college football has been horrifically financially mismanaged for a long time it's no different than the federal government It's just college football administrators who have been loosely spending money because it's not their money. When you're spending someone else's money, you don't really have proper incentive to be frugal with it. And so a lot of different places have dug themselves in holes. And then all of a sudden you have on this other set of rails over here congruent to your train.

You've got the college football train at large, which has been mismanaged. And now you didn't really have a plan when all of a sudden you have to pay the players to pay the players. So you have this huge added operating expense that you can't afford because you never positioned yourself. You kept on spending every dime you made. That's why all the facilities look like they do. That's why coaches make $10, $15 million a year. The buyouts are huge because you couldn't afford to make the revenue and sit on it.

Because if you were sitting on a mountain of money, it was going to be really bad optics because the public was going to look at it and say, wait a second, you're hoarding hundreds of millions of dollars while also saying you can't afford to pay the players. So they kept spending the money as it came in the door and spending it on all sorts of ridiculous things. So now they're in a bind, not just Utah. Utah just happens to be the first one to do it. And they're looking into the future. And they're looking at projections and saying, yeah, we're just headed even more in the red.

We need help. Private equity comes in and they help. Now, most college football fans won't be affected by this. They'll see logos on the jerseys. They'll see branding on the fields and that's whatever. The real question I have becomes, who's making decisions for Utah? athletics now or yeah if it comes time to fire a coach and hire a new coach who's making the call on firing coach and hiring the coach because we're really in the interest of what's best for business right

right and if it's just your business it's your business but all the sudden if someone's bought a stake in Utah football or Utah athletics they want to return on their investment and they want to say because they're paying for a seat at the table which is what essentially is happening with Utah because where we're at it's like say you have this 500 million dollars in a price private equity, like you have all this money, you want to back it. Like we've been seeing, whether it's Cody Campbell down at Texas Tech, whatever it is. The thought was, we'll donate to the NIL collective. Like, make a donation.

They got a lot of money backing them. What's happened at Utah is they've stood up another LLC to where now this $500 million, this private equity company has bought like a minority stake in the team to where they will be decision makers for making money. Are they going to be involved with making these big decisions? We'll never see the fine part of that. There's like a new, yeah. There's like a new master who's now at the seat of the table with all this money coming in.

They now own a part of Utah athletics. They're not like donating like, hey, our group wants to make our football team better. Here's a shitload of money. Now they are minority owners like in Utah football. Can't say I'm crazy about it. Just getting that small breakdown, it feels like there's no good outcome. You saw Dillingham yesterday. He was doing, I saw him in an interview and they're kind of asking about.

He's like, dude, it's a mess man. As far as financials, as far as money, entertainment, the media. That is booming. It's going to continue to boom. Like very popular, but as far as all the structures and processes in college football, he's like, it's an absolute mess, man. So he's like, we'll handle it the way we handle each new thing that comes in. He's like, but it's a mess, man.

If you're looking at like a Utah, an ASU, these brands of college football, that their logo doesn't have like a bunch of people that have left, made a billion dollars that are donating a lot of money to NIL. To be competitive, what are the choices they have than to take on a private equity group? Oh, I'll tell you. you need to collectively bargain with the athletes. Athletes.org, I mean, I sound like a spokesperson right now, but it just so happens that as we're recording,

it's Tuesday, right? It's Wednesday. Two days ago, two days ago out in Las Vegas, they, go ahead. You know, spit down the ground? I just wasn't moving. As soon as you open it up, I started to get flashbacks. I just look at, I just follow your eyes. And then your eyes go down there.

Oh, man, he's looking at his crotch again. That must mean the thing. Doing it. But go ahead, players.org. You've got to make yourself financially viable in the future. Right now it's such a train wreck because people are trying to figure every which way around collectively bargaining with athletes.

I'm not taking a stance on this. I'm kind of old school in it myself. I'm just saying you've tried the congressional approach over and over again. Just last week, the Score Act fell on its face in Congress again. And that is basically to dumb that down, we're just normal people understand what's happening here. they really want a way for Congress to step in to make laws that say, all right, college football,

you're free to govern yourself now. You can limit transfer portal movement. You can limit what NIL is. You can do all of that because we're giving you the power legally. Well, that keeps falling on its face. So that's never going to pass the legal barometer that it needs to to be signed into law. At least it doesn't look that way. The other option is to collectively bargain with the players and to centralize that.

Take it out of the hands of the teams and the leagues and centralize it. This is very, very clearly gaining traction. Athletic directors are on board with it. University presidents are on board with it. Some of the most influential voices within those two realms are on board with it. And I really think over the next six to 12 months you're going to see traction on this. And then where I'm interested, because that stuff is boring, what I'm interested in down the road is,

do we ever get to a place where that same principle is applied to media deals? None of the networks really want that. None of the leagues really want that. But collectively, it would make everyone a lot more money if college football's media rights structure reflected that of the NFL. There is no AFC East TV package. There is just the NFL, the AFC and the NFC, but underneath the NFL's umbrella,

that is a media rights deal that is sold by the NFL, and NBC's got a piece, and Fox has got a piece, and CBS has got a piece, and the league kind of dictates. The players got a piece. Yes, that I think is the direction we're headed in college football. It's just we're like a pinball going through the machine right now to get there. It's not just let's flow down the river out into the ocean.

It's we're a pinball and we're going all over the place. So if that takes place and that happens and there's a CBA for college football and it becomes this like, oh, this is a big umbrella company. What happens to these private equity companies that have bought pieces? I don't know. I don't know because I'm not smart enough in that world to know. I just know. We need that guy for your life.

That's what we need. We need your line show, boy. That's what we need, man. That's what we need, man. He was bringing your dad, and I was like, confident. I was like, oh, my God. We were getting nervous. We were just tapping each other's leg.

You want to take this one? Nope. I'll tell you what, man. I, like, I love that the players are getting paid, but I also were in such a dangerous territory, like even for the athletes, too, with all this money that comes in and everything else happened. And just, man, when we were in, we were in, we were in. Man, when we were in high school, the whole thought process was, it was like, my day.

I'm just saying, like, think about the commitment, the dedication, the work ethic, everything, just to get the opportunity to get a scholarship on thinking that you're, that's the way out to get to the NFL. And all of the foundational values and cultural things that you have to establish as a high schooler, but you're very raw as a high schooler learning all of these values, learning all of these traits and characteristics. and then they get molded and developed and hardened in college to where whenever those first big paychecks come in in the NFL, it can get guys off the tracks. Like obviously you see guys fall off, but at least you're equipped.

I know when the money started coming in for myself, it's like a lot of guys know in their head, they have to stay very principled in their approach and commitment all year round to keep getting and keep getting it tapping into this well and keep getting paid and the life all the bells and whistles that come with it. Now it's like all that's just getting chopped when all this money sinking into these 17, 18 year old kids when they're going because now it's it's not even about this work ethic, this sickening, gritty approach when you're in high school. It's about picking up your phone, looking at how many likes you have on Instagram, looking at what deals your agent might begin to you because now you have an agent who's telling you all these things. You might

not have to worry about certain principal things that you're established in, whether it's workout routines and everything else because it's like, who's going to pay me the most money? Like, it used to be you owe the process everything and the process owes you nothing in return. Now, these kids are getting paid for a process they haven't even established going into college football. And it's just, I hate it for the athletes because the development that happens that isn't going to be taken serious as much near as much anymore at the college level is what bothers me about the whole thing. Because I do enjoy that they're getting paid. It's what we wanted. Right.

But all this, how it's getting pushed all the way down. Now we're talking about college is going to be looking like the NFL. That's a big fix because we need all this regulation to come in and help everybody out with all the money floating around everywhere But in doing that it just the way it massages the mentality of these college kids now at the high school level I'm like fuck, but in your CBA, let's say it structured properly because I had long conversations about this last week Because I have those concerns as well most people who love college football have those concerns You worry about the detriment of the product when 16 and 17 year old kids already bank high six low seven figures coming in It adversely affects the compass, the North Star, of motivation, of process-oriented, of drive, of everything.

All right. So think about this. All right, if we have a CBA in college, your player reps are probably not going to be freshmen. They're going to be upperclassmen. Those upperclassmen are in the position to be a player rep, probably because they've proven themselves and paid the price. If you have a CBA in college football, I think you have a pay scale that's very much correlated to like a rookie pay scale versus a second. contract, third contract in the NFL, not apples to apples, but very similar to where if I'm a 17-year-old kid, if we have a CBA, that also means that we enter into a world where there are

enforceable laws within IL, which means it's not just Wild West pay for play anymore. Like, yeah, you're going to make money, and it's been collectively bargained, but, you know, if you're a freshman committing to Nebraska, you're not making nearly as much as you're going to make if you succeed and you play, and then you're still a sophomore on that roster, and then you're a junior. And then there's a huge bonus that kicks in, third and fourth years on the same roster because you've proven yourself and you're under a collectively bargained umbrella where you know the big payoff is down the road where you have all the incentive in the world to keep chasing instead of already having a gigantic bag in your lap the moment you step on campus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate the way

you broke that down because I sit there and I'm like, we're hearing guys close to the program. Just be like, man, this dude's dumb for sign. in a two-year deal with NIL and I'm just thinking, Jesus Christ, I cannot believe we are in this world. There's two changes of thought there, though, like, when you're breaking out all the things, I agree with it. Like the process owes you nothing, the work ethic, if you're being coached hard by your coaches, like buying into a program, going to a school because that's the school you want to be at, and they just hosted you the best.

And you're like, this is where I'm going to take my next four to five years. Like, that is clearly missed. But I can't sit back and not just like, for these kids, if I, if we're in these, positions like yeah you want to gain the system as much as possible to put as much money in your pocket as possible and if it's signing a one-year deal as opposed to a two-year deal like I can't get mad at a player for doing those things with the CBA like I would love for a CBA to take place because then there's an umbrella there's only a certain amount of money you can spend each team can spend on their players the

and I love the idea of like you have freshmen's like a rookie and the more you work and the better you do and the amount more accolades you have the more you'll get paid because just on a way simpler level from being able to play in the NFL and go to the lunchroom and sit there in the morning and Georgia and Alabama are out to play and I have five Georgia teammates and three Alabama teammates and they're in their lunchroom arguing about their team and their love they have for their team. I don't see that in the next four or five years if it continues the same way staying that way in that lunchroom or it's like kids have like absolute pride and where they play that and they're

like Nebraska like no one's going to have that anymore and that's where like college football I think is at its best because In a unique way, like, when people gamble, it's like they're only going to want to gamble on their team for the most part because they're so invested in love with that team. When you played for the Tennessee Titans, who was your employer? The Titans. Was the NFL your employer or was the Titans your employer? The Titans were my employer. So in this world, I don't think that's the way it'll be structured.

I don't think you'll be employed by Ole Miss or the SEC. I think you'll be employed by fill in the blank name of whatever entity they form. And that is where the authority will be, but that's also where the risk will be. That's where the finances are handled. That's where private equity goes, by the way. In case you're wondering, like to answer your question, instead of trying to glom on to an individual athletic department, private equity will go to whatever that entity is. And that's where that cash infusion will happen. And they'll be able to afford the operating costs.

And at that point, University of Georgia, University of Nebraska, University of Arizona, you guys are good. We're handling it. But here are the rules you're going to abide by. And here's the amount of money you can afford to pay your players. Handle your salary cap accordingly. By the way, this doesn't get rid of NIL. It just repurposes NIL for what it was supposed to be, which is the same way it is in the NFL, which is Pat Mahomes is a superstar. So he goes out and gets all the endorsement deals he wants.

What's not happening is some guy who got rich beyond his wildest dreams who happens to be a camera. Kansas City Chiefs fan went to Pat Mahomes and free agency and said, I'm going to pay you $30 million to come and play for us. Because that's a competitive disadvantage. Yeah. Whether you think it's fair or not or should be, well, if you live in the world of the NFL, you're going to operate by their rules. And if you live in this world in the future, if it's collectively bargained, that means laws can be enforced. NIL is not going to be what it is right now. So guys will still make NIL money, but it'll be guys who legit deserve to make NIL money.

and most guys will make their money based off of, for lack of a better term, their salary. I think we're very, very much closer to that than people realize. There's a lot of movement happening on that front this week. As we speak, there's a lot of movement happening. Need the urgency.

Need the urgency. See, yeah, but like, I know that there's a lot of things that we want to fix. There is also the fan in me of college football and where it's at right now where there's going to be so many documentaries with the last four or five years. Yeah, we're in one.

Then I'm kind of just sitting here like, I'm really enjoying watching all these things unfold and all the chaos. It's just, hey, fix the ACC tiebreaker. There you go. Fix the ACCC. That was the butterfly. It lets everything. Led to everything.

Army Navy. Do we want to talk about the brackets? Do we actually want to do that? Because it really comes down to, we're going to talk about all these games on future episodes. I'm not going to take Tulane to win at all. So that's a spoiler. Like, that's a tease. Yeah.

And I'm not going to take J.M. to win it all. I think Miami A&M is the best game of the first round. Notre Dame beats both them. I think the difference. Can I just say one more? Let's play a game with Notre Dame your name. Let's play the game. Who does Notre Dame beat? We'll start with JMU. Raise your hand if you think Notre Dame beats JMU. Think about, um, Joe Joe. He does not think so. They probably give them a good fight. Probably give them a good fight. James Madison was the whole president, man. Yeah. Yeah. When I look at this bracket, the two teams that I'm most excited to see is Ole Miss and Texas Tech.

Old Miss and Texas Tech. Yeah, I'm excited to see Texas Tech. I'm excited to see Old Miss because of all the stuff that took place with Lane Kiffin. How they come out. This is the coaches are going back to Ole Miss to coaching those games, but Lane Kiffin is staying at LSU. And then Texas Tech, we've had so much conversation on this show about how the Bague 12 is not as respected as much as the Bay 10 or the SEC. And Joey McGuire being able to assemble a team that's, you know, more expensive than anybody else. And for them to play the way they have,

how good are they really when we go against these big 10 and the SEC teams? Yeah. I'm excited to see how they play out. They'll get to find out against a tuned-up, pissed off Oregon team that remembers this month very well from last year. And they're going to get a tune-up game with JMU. It's tough to beat old day in Lany.

Can I confide in you guys? Landing's not watching because he doesn't have a game this week. So Lanny won't watch this show. He's not going to be tuned in. So this is going to be some big-time rap boys. No one is set up better than Oregon here. I would rather have Oregon's spot in this bracket than anyone else's. They get the easiest first round matchup at home.

They then get teed up to go play Texas Tech, which out of the other three teams in the semifinal or in the quarterfinal, from a roster standpoint, they match up the best against probably. But look at the way it advances. Think about talent rosters. Think about who athletically could match Oregon. The three that I would circle the most are on the other side of the bracket. Miami, A&M, Georgia.

Ohio State, four of them. Four of them are on the other side of the bracket. And the soonest you would meet them is in the national title game. The most you'll have to defeat is one of them in the national title game. Oregon, I hope they don't embarrass me because I'm sky high on Oregon. I am too, man. And potential rematch of him and Big Nettie? I know. It's like we said, it's hard to beat a team twice when we saw it in the SEC championship. But if, but let's just be real. you already know what Kurt Signetti said about Dan Lannning and his family the first time around if they beat them again. I don't want to get ahead of myself. I know. But I am. If they beat them again in a semifinal, there's no limit to what that guy could text you. Yeah, there's not, man.

And we hate that. Yeah. We don't want college football to be like that. That's not what we want this game to be. No. We think of Cincinnati being Oregon again. Like, does Dan Lannin continue to coach? Say that again because the sound bite we cut down the road is going to be great. You said Cincinnati. Say Indiana. Sorry. If Indiana beats Oregon again, does Dan Lennon continue to coach? That's something you...

If Big Nettie beats Laining again, does Lannie have to take his wife? I thought we were going to leave it unspoken. I thought we were. You know, that's another... Big Nettie. And you met her.

She's a nice lady. She is a nice lady. And we know about Dan's game. What the whole, the Valentine's day, the card, the whole thing. Yeah, man. So I would hate to see a man like Dan Lending never coach again. But it seems like if he loses the Indiana.

I had Bama win at all. You got Bama win at all, don't it? Very much a past tense. Very much a past tense. Yeah. You're sticking with Oregon? I do you pick three seasons. I know.

I know so I pick three seasons. Am I sticking with Oregon? I guess you'll find out later. Wow. Do we know where these next round games are going to be? Like where would Indiana and the winner of Oklahoma Bama be? Is that Pasadena? Where would Oregon play Texas Tech?

where will the rematch of Ole Miss and Georgia take place? All right. Hard Rock Stadium, Miami. Yep. With Indiana, Ohio State or Indiana. Indiana is Rose Bowl. That's in Pasadena, okay. Ohio State's 18th Stadium in Texas.

Georgia is playing in Oregon. Sugar Bowl. So Oregon, if they go on to play in the national championship, we'll play in Hard Rock Stadium the second round and then a couple of weeks later in the national title. Because Hard Rock Rotate Stadium. in for the quarterfinals and the national title. Interesting. Miami could play a home game in the national title. Could. Could. Or they could not escape

the first round, you know, either way. And that just makes Will Conlin go, Notre Dame. Everyone who loses in this bracket, you just need to have the tweet ready to be fired. Notre Dame would have been such a better replacement in this game. No doubt, no doubt. Before we do true classic game of the week, Heisman, who's your Heisman right now? The four that's it there. Futures, Clump, did anybody who picked a future Heisman guy, did they make it? Yes. Who's that?

Oh, yeah. Will had Lenora Sellers, Sargifti. Jesus. John McKear, who actually was doing well until it got hurt. I deserve half a win for this. He led the odds until his thumb got cut off. He's playing with four fingers, and he's still in the playoff. Imagine what he could have done with five.

Imagine a couple weeks off getting healthy. That thumb finally gets figured out. Just do dexterity exercises? It's going to be in the sea. Bama getting healthy. Who do you have winning the highest in your mind? Diego, Pavia. What do the odds say?

Actually, they took it off now, officially because Fernandez was it Mendoza? Minus three thousand. I just don't get it. Minus three thousand? It doesn't make any sense. It makes zero sense. The game that catapulted him was a 13 to 10 game.

Yeah. It's not like you rain touchdowns all over the plate. He took one touchdown. took one of the hardest hits of the season, got right back up and cut one of the great postgame promos in the modern era. Buddy, that guy's a robot. I love it. I will grant you that. He might have won the Heism with that postgame presser. He had a good, you're starting to sound like the playoff committee. Yeah. He had a great third down conversion though. I'm sure Diego has as well. He's not as complete. No, no, I know you. I know where you stand on who the Heisman should be. But I think it's so clearly Diego Pavia. I agree with you. And when I tweet that and everyone's coming at my head,

Fernando Mendoza and then Jacob Rodriguez he just gets to throw it and I'm like I kind of wish he was good to New York but he's not going to win yeah yeah yeah it's like the only two people that you would argue is Fernando Mendoza and and Diego Pavia people want to say Julianne's name but I think there's enough holes there with who he was throwing to you know that that whole thing but Diego Pavia stats are his throwing sets are better than Fernando Mendoza and also you have to add on almost 900 yards of rushing and nine more touchdowns like if you're evaluating I do think Mendoza you're saying Who is the best player in college football? And who does more for their team than anybody else? Who keeps it high and tight? Diego does not keep it high and tight.

Who does more for their team than anybody else? It's him. It's him. Yeah, it's Diego. I do, I need, I need that speech. Need it. Through the air, Fernando has more yards. Fernando has more yards and touchdowns through the air, correct?

Yeah. Like, I think he was like. Not yards passing. No, no. Fernando Mendoza doesn't have 3,000 yards throwing. He has five more touchdowns, I believe. Five more Jones. Extra game.

Diego has more passing yards. Who's the last quarterback to win a Heisman that didn't throw for 3,000? It was Camdew and Camdew. Camdewon won the Heism in 2010. Use the mic. Use the mic. Oh, it is. Cam Newton was the last quarterback to win a Heism without throwing for 3,000 yards.

And the only reason was because he ran for 1,400 yards and 20 touchdowns. Well, that and Auburn picked up guys from the playground to be wide receivers for him that year. Yeah. So, Cam, a little bit different. A little bit. Apple Starvation is there just a little bit. People want to hate all this, you know. I think it's Diego Pavi too. I look Diego Pavi in the eyes last week.

And I say, he's like, what do you think? I was like, I think it's yours right now. But for Fernando Mendoza goes out there and throws for like 275 or 300 and a couple touchdowns. He probably needs two touchdowns at least. I could see where Fernando, where the public gets on Fernando. But that didn't happen. So I feel like I'd be lying. I would have lied to Diego if Fernando Mendoza wins this Heisman.

And it was the Ohio State game where he hit him for one, touchdown, one interception, and then a nice third downplay. Right. Raise your hand. Fernando Mendoza, great player, though. Keeps it eye and tight. I do enjoy it. I love every interview he does.

Need him on the bus. Raise your hand if you have a Heisman vote. We can't be trusted with us. True. You're right. Yeah, we can't be trusted to have a Heisman vote. Why do you get one? People not have it, not have the vote.

How do you get a Heisman vote? That's a great question, William. I don't know. Because I feel like if anybody would be close to it, it'd be you out of us three. Well, I haven't asked for one. Apparently, you need to beg, and that's not something I'm right. I think if you win the Heisman vote, right? You do get one.

Yes. So we do know Heisman voters. I'll beg. Oh, no, true story. A couple of years ago. A couple of years ago, I had a production assistant on my staff that was cutting video, and we were having this conversation, and I was just kind of laughing because I've never been upset about it.

I've just thought it's kind of weird that the way the Heisman votes are handed out, and she just echoes him back, wait, I have a Heisman vote. And we all looked at her and we said, do what now? She goes, yeah, I have a Heisman vote. It was at that point that I lost faith in the process. Oh, yeah. System's not broken, though. They did vote already.

The Heisman system very much. Wait, were you trying to cook the vote over here? I was just going to ask a couple people a couple things. Oh, okay. How many? Because I was just always making sure that if you've won a Heisman. You do get a vote. You get a vote.

So I texted Marcus and I was like, do you have a vote? And then when he says, yes, I'm going to say, who'd you vote for? And he says, You can ask Derek too. It's illegal. Yeah, I can ask Derek. It's illegal? Well, they try and make it sound like it's punishable by

Vanishment to Guantanamo if you reveal your vote. All right. So the vote's already in. Yep. I guess so. Diego lost, which is. Oh, it's over, man.

I feel like if there's anybody to be mad, it's Vanderbilt. Yeah. No playoff, no Heisman. No Joe Moore either. Vandy doesn't get to partaking any of the SEC bias. Nope. No SEC favor. And they showed.

They showed up too. They parked out front. They got a good spot. They went and knocked on the door and they hear the music inside and they know someone's home. No one ever comes to the door. I told the fuck off, which is insane. Wow, that's a little strong. Right. There's Mitch. Hey, guess what though? Every Saturday's got games. Only one fits just right. This is the true classic game of the week. This true classic is brought to us by the one and only true classic. Their new curve Pima shirts, fellas, Christmas season is upon us. shop for the boys, shop for the holidays. Find True Classic at Amazon and Costco, Sam's Club and Target Nationwide, or online at TrueClassic.com slash bussen.

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So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs. And on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes. to win on clay. Jenschen win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted.

She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of I Heart Women's Sports. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Army at Navy, America's game. Navy's favorite at six and a half. The total points in the game is 37 and a half. 50 stars, 13 bars, these colors don't run.

I think it's unpatriotic for me to even sit here and say, this team's brand on the other, even though Navy was in a three-way tie for their conference championship, and Army was six and five. So I would pick Navy to cover six and a half. However, I'm going to take the over 37 and a half. 37 and a half. Let me go defense.

I'll go under 30s and a half. Let me just fight for the under this weekend with these two teams. I agree with you. Under 37 and a half has always been a safe play in the Serbs Academy games, even though it's baked into the number. It's not baked enough into the number. You know, I told you I went back and reviewed the altcast. And the actual hardest image from that alt cast was we were on air when they played the anthem.

And you could see us. And someone like took a picture from the ground up. and we all got hands over hearts and old glories flying in the background, I'd be lying if I said I didn't get a little misty-eyed looking at that. We did that broadcast for our country. Yeah. This game is being played for our country. There's a lot of things that Bustin' With the Boys doesn't do for their country.

We believe in this country. I believe in these men that are taken the field. We're not at war. Yeah. We're not overseas. There's done a lot of things Bustin' with the Boys wouldn't do for this country. But, yeah, we're always in a war. That's true.

Every day's a war. That alt-cast was a war. The trolls in Pate's comment section. That's a war going on. Their war is that take place every single day. Yeah. It's whether you're going to answer the bell or not. I wish you could have my seat because the moment you said,

we're not at war yet. JP has been scrolling his phone for 10 minutes. Hasn't said a word and he just went, every day's a war. All right, so under, under, over. Yep. Fun fact, this game's taking place in, what, Baltimore, correct? Last time they were in Baltimore.

Army broke a 12-game losing streak. So if that's the case, if Army's going to win this game, it'll be an undergame. So it looks good for you guys. We feel good? Feel good. We feel good. Wonderful.

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Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas.

Nice. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. First people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's, Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel

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Winning on Clay is an art. The rallies are relentless. And at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades. Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast for no nonsense break of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments that define Roland Garris. She's an outsider to win the French name.

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