Bussin' With The Boys - Josh Pate Is Partnering With Bussin With The Boys + BOLD College Football Playoff Predictions

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

Recorded: August 18th 2025 | Will Compton and Taylor Lewan are bringing the Commissioner of College Football on to the team full-time! Josh Pate, college football’s favorite analyst, hops on the bus to talk shop on the 2025 season, and how his career has led up to the lore of what now is, Pate State University. Before Josh joins, the Boys kick things off with a little preseason heat: Will breaks down UFC 319, Taylor gives his early Bussin’ Bowl predictions, and we get an official update on Papa Lewan’s first pitch mental prep for the KC first pitch. Then it’s time for the man, the myth, the Late Kick legend himself—Josh Pate. The Boys get into everything from NIL chaos and conference realignment to which coaches are built for war and which programs are living off vibes. Josh pulls back the curtain on what it’s like building a football empire on YouTube, what fanbases really move the needle, and how he handles getting roasted online weekly. Whether you’re an SEC diehard or a sicko watching Mountain West football at 2 a.m., this one’s for you. Big hugs, tiny kisses. TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro3:04 The Locker Room Is BACK5:27 CFB Season Outlook16:19 28 Team Playoff???18:30 New Heights And Taylor Swift Broke The Internet21:18 UFC 31930:01 Tubing Is Not For The Faint Of Heart37:01 Taylor’s Redemption Is Happening39:59 New Merch + Live Show Tickets Are Available41:20 NFL News46:04 JP’s One Year Anniversary 48:40 Is Tee The Best Pool Game Ever?50:31 JOSH PATE JOINS BUS52:38 His Daily Routine58:40 Journey Into College Football Media1:09:11 Is Pate A Bigger Nebraska Fan Than Will?1:11:03 Josh Coming To The Bussin Bowl??1:14:54 Josh's First Pitch Advice1:21:56 The Sensory Overload Of Football1:31:07 Does Not Being A Former Player Help Him?1:41:49 Josh's Big Break1:57:47 Suits On TV Are Out2:08:30 Josh's Sleeper Teams This Year2:29:17 Did NIL Level The Playing Field?2:39:43 Ohio State vs Texas Expectations2:46:10 Michigan's Slap On The Wrist3:02:16 Bud Light: What Would He Do Anything For?3:07:01 CFB Commissioner? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Good afternoon, ladies gentlemen. Welcome to the episode of Bust with the Boys. It is episode 342 with the one, the only college football, future college football commissioner. Joshua Pate, we go into his life, how he got to where he is at today. We talk about all the things college football. We dive into a few specific teams. And we also talk about the locker room, college football. He will be with us weekend and week out during the fall for our game.

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And this week, the first episode of our locker room is coming out Thursday? Wednesday night. Wednesday night. College football show, we're separating them very like very much. They're separation because last year I want to say we combined them for a while. Combined for a while. And then started the separation at the end. This year we are separating them fully. So we will have a college football show that'll drop on Wednesday nights. And then our NFL locker room show that'll drop on Thursday morning. And boys, this week we are filming our futures. You guys heard about the big news about Clay Matthews.

How's now, Jordan, but supposed to give him a round of applause. Just an absolute professional as well. Jeremy Klump has kind of been aligning all of these things. He has called, texted, sent to pigeon, sent to Raven, every which way you possibly can to start preparing for the locker room. That'll be amazing. And as always, joining us will be Delaney Walker. He's locked in.

Lonely locked in, Clay locked in. and do you want to go ahead and announce the special guests that will be joining us for the college football? Do we want to wait? Do we want to do it now? Well, today we were recording on Monday. The announcement is dropping today that the collaboration is happening.

So by the time people are listening now... Because they'll see who our guest is. Yes. That guest is not just a guest on Bustra of the Boys. He's also going to be a part of our college football show, the one the only, possibly the commissioner of the entire college football world, eventually. Joshua Payne.

So those things coming out this week. We're getting the season started. It's big time. I believe it's Ireland, correct? Week zero Ireland's going down? Football is officially, officially back. This week, it's going down. It's amazing.

And this whole year, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, there is going to be a whole slate for you guys that we will do our best, our absolute best to show you the schedule of what is coming out with Bustin with the boys. It is going to be an amazing time. But Josh Pate, just a man of the people. Got beautiful arms, got a beautiful head. That man has got a beautiful brain as well. He's going to take us to school every single week when it comes to college football.

We're going to have a blast. He's the best college football head in America. Best college football head in America. And as the best college football head in America, he had some very nice things to say about Nebraska. Did you see that? I did see that. I didn't know if we wanted to wait until he got on the bus to where we could talk. I know we got several things on the docket involving college football.

We got the 2018 playoff. We got the Michigan scandal, how that kind of got solved last week. We got, you know, people putting Nebraska in their playoff runs. People are starting to find out about Nebraska a little bit. People are starting to whisper. People are starting to do what Wilcom's been doing for the last 17 years. Talking about Nebraska football. Nebraska football is no longer a team that you're just like, oh, yeah.

Remember that when they were good in the 90s? Now we're talking about potential candidates for potential playoffs. Potential. Potential. Potential's there. Potential. It has. If people want to talk about

Connor Stallion's manifesto, Willie C's manifesto on Nebraska, is starting to come to fruition. That's right. What does potential mean, Will? Potential means... Let me stop you there. Potential means you haven't done shit yet,

but you have an opportunity to do something amazing. That the ceiling's high, but you haven't touched the ceiling. Yeah. But the ceiling's up there. The ceiling's there. You got to do the things

that tap into that potential. But we have not done that. Potential is you see where you could go. Now it's your job to build the ladder. Potential is the capacity to develop, succeed, or become something in the future. In the future. Building blocks.

Matt Ruhl, all those boys have been building blocks every single day in camp. Will Compton, he hears whispers. I'm sure he talks to Echler every single day. I walk in on Will to get, get him a little stretch in our sore next weight room. What's he doing?

Listen to Eklore. talk about a Duna Press conference. What's he do after that? Probably calls Echler. Will Coptin knows what's happening in that building all the way about a thousand miles away in Nashville, Tennessee.

The rest of the world will now find out coming August 28th when Cincinnati takes on Nebraska. Cincinnati, home of the new Heights podcast. Nebraska for that week, home of the bustle with the boys' podcast,

it is going to be an epic start for the Nebraska season. What's the future look like for Nebraska in that first game for you, Will? An ass whooping. An ass whoopin. 60 minutes of fuck you The world's gonna find out on Thursday night

A week from Thursday I was getting juiced up about it last night That is kind of wild And yeah I expect a good strong performance I expect a very strong leg People have been hearing the whispers Been seeing the interviews

With tears of Archie Wilson Being homesick being away from his family Living in Australia Apparently he's got an absolute juggernaut of a leg Can kick it every which way can bomb at about 70 yards. Our punter is going to win his football games this year, and he might be the number one punter in the country.

Might be the number one punter in the country, and it's not just one leg. Kids do legs. It's both legs. Dual legs. They're dual leg threat. Dude, I mean, I'm excited. In football season, we all know it.

Everybody with their team, everyone's a champion right now. Everyone's champion. Everyone has a lot to be optimistic about. A lot of teams, do. There's some that might be, you know, they might be a middle of the road. They might be ready for a middle of the road season.

See, I love that. Ain't nobody ready for middle road season. Even the teams that have had great camps, and if they were to lean back a little bit and actually look at the entire team and probably realize we don't have the talent to compete for a next championship, every division won football team

thinks this is the year they shocked the world because of X, Y, and Z. I don't know. This is the year out. Time out. Does everybody here have high expectations for their team this year? Yeah.

Yes. Yes. Jack, you do? We don't want. Of course I do. And you do? Yeah, I do. We have like one of the easier schedules in all of college football. And please pull up Tennessee's schedule. We have a very easy schedule as well.

Yeah, they do play in the SEC as well. They do play in the SEC. That's true. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. What? You guys have a lot of depth. You guys have more depth than the Big Ten. Huh? The SEC has more depth than the Big Ten. This is a catastrophic one. This is a catastrophic 180 for Wilcocton.

So you're saying by saying that the Big Ten, be a realist about it. Like the Big Ten had the Natties live in the Big Ten. Like the top of the top is the Big Ten. But as far as depth goes, SEC has more depth. If Nebraska pulls their weight. If Nebraska pulls their weight this year, you got Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon. Leading with Michigan.

Illinois. USC. Illinois is a sleeper this year. USC. Indiana was in the playoff last year. And Nebraska, that's eight teams. That's a good core foundation. Now the bottom.

I don't know about the bottom. Like our boiler makers, Rutgers always seems to be a little like sneaky. Every once in a while, Maryland can be a little sneaky, but it's like, ah, but it's like, ah. The gophers are sneaky this year. Who's at the bottom of the SEC? I'm letting you know right now, the Minnesota gophers.

That's a sneaky bunch of boys. Yeah. Yeah, Mississippi State's kind of trash. But Vandy, they're spicy. Kentucky's pretty low. Right? Kentucky's always good for some weird upsets. Missouri?

Missouri? Mizzu solid? A lot of question marks. around Oklahoma. Like people were real down in Oklahoma. Now recently everyone's like, actually, they might be contenders this year. It's very odd.

Very odd. But yeah, best on best. Big Ten takes that. I think that middle class of the Big Ten has gotten stronger in the last couple of years. I think this year is where potential is there. Hasn't done shit yet. But the middle class in the Big Ten has a big year ahead of them as far as Big Ten becoming an all-around.

When you look at the- the middle class. You look at Illinois. You're going to look at Minnesota. Nebraska right now you would put in that, but I see them having a bigger year. But as of right now, the middle class.

Yeah, middle class. USC. Yeah. I think takes another step. I think those four teams, it gives you a nice, healthy middle class in the big 10. Appeal's been talking about Michigan State a little bit too.

Yeah. Ass. I agree, Mitch. I agree. I would assume so too. If you're in here, Mitch Carlesey said Michigan State is ass. I don't disagree.

agree with that. I would assume so too. I've just, you know, you got Iowa, Indiana. Yeah, a lot of people down in Wisconsin as well. A lot of people are down on Wisconsin. They have a, they have a tough schedule. They have potential. They have potential. Everybody has a thing. That's what, that's a great full circle moment. Get us back. Week zero, everyone's got potential. Everyone's out there and they believe they're going to be Bay 10, SEC, Big 12, ACC champions. That's the exciting part of where we sit right now and the middle of August. Everyone's hopes and dreams are alive right now. Now, get to October, we're going to start separating from the pack. We'll see who's who in the zoo when it comes to college football. But right now, as we all sit here, all of our teams are winning it all.

And that is the beautiful thing about sports. Juses you up. And I don't even think my dumb brain and timelines don't really work out together. But really, yeah, a week from Thursday. I didn't even fucking realize. We will be at Arrowhead. Arrowhead. Watching Cincinnati, Nebraska. Then we'll, we will be flying to Columbus for Texas Ohio State. Texas Ohio State. We'll find out week one. Yes. And there's so much of this conversation that needs to take place in the locker room.

So much of it does, but it's going to be, I mean, it's 30 to 45 minutes show. So I get weary of what do we talk about here as opposed to the locker room? Should we bring people to the locker room or should we talk about it right now? It's kind of up to you guys. But the thought process going on my head is who's got more pressure on them, Texas, Ohio State in this week one matchup? I personally think Texas does. I think Texas does because they have an insanely talented roster.

Sark they've been building. I want to say a couple years ago, was it two years ago when they beat Bama earlier in the season? When they just started to kind of like, hey, what's Texas going to be like in the SEC? And that O line in the trenches, they handled Alabama. I was kind of like, oh, shit, Texas is for real this year. I feel like these last couple years, the way Texas has been trending and playing in these big moments, with Archie Manning at the helm, I feel like they have the most pressure

because they are everybody's number one going into the season. In Ohio State, even though they are defending national champions, you got a new quarterback, they lost a lot of pieces, new running back room, like, yes, they've reloaded. It's Ohio State, they can reload. They have those capabilities. But I feel like I just think Texas has the most pressure going into it. Yeah, I think, I agree with you.

I think Arch Manning is a massive reason why Texas has the most pressure on them, this gives the highest rated quarterback of all time. He comes from the bloodlines, all those things. Now he's finally thrust it into a starting role. He's one of those cats that look at at a Heisman already, and he doesn't have like too much film on him. A lot of pressure over there. Texas is always a school that's going to have a microscope on them.

They're always going to be like, when is Texas? Since the days of Colt McCoy, every year it's like, is Texas back? Is Texas back? You win a game, the Cotton Bowl a few years ago. And you got people begging, Texas is back. We're going to do X, Y, Z, we're back, that whole entire thing. Then you start seeing them, they make the playoffs.

they get embarrassed by the team that actually wins the national championship, which is Ohio State now this week one matchup. Ohio State loses everybody in their defense except for two guys, one guy, one of them being the safety who's like one of the best players in all of college football this year. And Ohio State does have an incredible, they do a great job of every single year just reloading. They never have really these valleys. It's usually just like their baseline is peaking.

And they always have the best wide receiver rooms. Their offenses go crazy. They lose their OC to the Raiders. So there's a lot of question marks going for them But the pressure doesn't seem like too much pressure Because they got their national championship It's not the big 10 yet It is a nice

It's like a nice marker to see where are we at week one of college football When you're still kind of working through all the kinks of everything Because the good teams Tennessee is a great example of this You see them they play their first four games of the year They're always covering They're playing the slums The whewers and they're minus 35 points

And they're always covering over that That's a sign of a good football team We'll see with Texas Ohio State, but I think Texas has more pressure on them to come out of the gates firing quickly. Yeah. It's going to be, I just can't wait for this season. I cannot wait. They also, Ohio State also lost their D.C. Yeah.

To Penn State. However, they reloaded with Matt Patricia, right? I think so. Believe so. You're Ohio State guy. Yeah. Yeah. Matt Patricia.

You can be non on the number two pencil. going crazy on that thing. But yeah, going to be a fun, fun college football season. What else we got in the dock? I know it's like I want to sit here and talk like, can't you think to win,

but we will have Josh Pate on the bus. Right. I know. We brought up, to me, it's just so let's just embrace all of it. If people want all these goddamn teams in the playoff, just roll them out.

You're talking about 28? Yeah, the 28th playoff. I love having it. I would mean something to make it. Yeah. I kind of like the March Madness idea of like, hey, you make it to the dance and he thinks possible now. It's way too many. I know, but that is.

It's so many teams. But it's fun. If they want to go to 28, I'll be right there embracing it with them. But to JP's point, it's like you do want it. It's like seven from the SEC, seven from the big 10, five from the ACC. Like, what are we doing at that point? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can see where that we get, the number would get a little high.

I like 16. I do like 16. I like 16 quite a bit. And I want. I want championship week right into playoffs. That's what I want. I also want, I like 16 because I want to, I would like to remove the bi-week factor

for the teams that are the best teams. Is that what happened? You are a brachologist. That's what would happen? Yeah, if you do 16, then you have, you have eight games all being played. One verse 16. When you have 12 or you have 20 or 24,

you're going to have to, you would credit the best teams and give them a buy week. And you don't like, I just, I feel strongly because in the NFL playoffs, people talk about, you know, the best teams coming off of their biweek, how they're going to perform. We're talking about 18 to 22 year olds having a biweek after having some more time off. Obviously, you slash that time off after championship week and get right into it.

Right into it. And you don't do biweeks. Like everybody will still have that same momentum that they had versus wondering, you know, have they been studied for finals? How do you practice them? Right. I like the biweek, but the biweek's scary. I mean, you look at Oregon, they had their buy,

and they came out a little flat versus Ohio State. You see a lot of these teams grabbing those buys. It doesn't don't look awesome. But I just, more than anything, I want football to start right after championship week. I want to start whatever, December, whatever that is. And let that ride all the way, Jan 1, Jan 7, that's what the national championship is.

Yeah. We'll talk to the commissioner when he gets on here. We'll talk to the commission. We'll get his opinion. We'll figure all that out. New Heights. Yeah, building around Arrowhead. New Heights, our friends.

Our friends are friends. For now until Thursday. They had a big guest on their show. They had Taylor Swift on their show. She finally came out. She announces her album. Just an amazing job of rolling that out. And I believe it's 17.9 million views on YouTube since released last Wednesday.

1.2 million watching it live. Yeah. 1.2 million people watching live. Yeah. When I popped on, it was 1.3. Golf clap for New Heights. Golf clap for New Heights. That's impressive.

You got to tip the cap every once in a while. That is... Have they grown a million subscribers yet? When I popped on before Taylor Swift, when they announced it, the night that they were like, oh, we have a huge guest and it was leaking. They were at like 2.52 million subscribers.

Were they at right now? Three. Godly. Jesus. So, yeah. A million. Every clip that they've dropped, It's like again, when they did the whole special guest and released Taylor Swift, I like popped on their Instagram.

It was like one hour after they released it. It had like 700,000 likes already. I mean, catastrophic numbers. Stratropic numbers. Good, good opportunity to tell you guys if you're watching the show, please subscribe, unsubscribe, resubscribe. We'd love to hit a millie, right? We'd love to just get to a nice little million piece. Yeah.

Let everybody else have the multi-millions. We'll take the one million. We'll just keep running the ball. Just keep running the ball. Just keep running the ball. Stack in bricks daily. Yeah. Stack in bricks.

Yeah. Throw us, throw the boys and subscribe while you're here. Every once in a while. On Spotify, follow. Yeah. We'll obviously talk about this when Pate gets on the bus, but I do want to just quickly address

Michigan football, if that's okay with you. I would love for it to be with the commissioner here. Okay. We'll wait for the commission then. We'll just wait. You guys need to look forward to that. The actual rule.

Yeah. Get the actual. We'll get some actual breakdown. UFC 319? Yes, Mitch. Don't rip an ad? Don't rip an ad? Do you want ripenette?

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We finally got it right. We finally got it right. That's big. We needed that. Do you see the parlay? I saw the parlay. Did you see my comment under your parlay? Because then you would have known when I saw your parlay.

That was incredible. That was a place. Plus 529? Yeah. Lost the first one out of the gate, first leg. Got shook. Dead. Immediately.

What did you do? Got back in the fight. Got back in the ring. Four leager. And credit to, obviously, Clay Matthews. Somebody, you know, before the fight started, hey, who you like him? What do you feel? Right.

What's the parlay? Who's going? How we swinging. Yeah. And he gave me that five-leger. We died right away, but we got back in it. And look, we turned it around, came out on top. comzot dude

Hamzot Kamsat whatever you want to call That motherfucker Dog Is insane I love it Did you watch the fight

No I fell asleep I fell asleep So I was kind of just open For you to kind of Rift for a little bit Yeah so Comzot comes out

Is that how you say it or is it Hamzot I think it's Hamzot Hamzot Hamzot and Drikis Yeah Drichus do Glessy There were comments in the YouTube

That people were making fun of how they're pronouncing they were on my ass for saying driskus which i understand but buddy this fucking performance by homzot like stink on shit bro i'm saying the dude is smiling right when bruce buffer does his thing they get to the middle homzot's like ready to go and so is drickus he's ready to go defend his belt again hell of a fighter drickus is a stud and homs Hamzot is sitting on the other side and they're both kind of crouched out. And Hamzot's just smiling, knowing that he's going to run through this cat. And every round, because it went all five within 30 seconds.

And I'm saying 30 seconds because in round four it took Hamzot 30 seconds. But within like 15 seconds, every round, Hamzot's got this motherfucker on the ground. Punishing him. Just going after him. I'm just smothering him, dominating him, doing whatever he wanted to him, was trying to like, was trying to progress. He crucified this man like five times.

Do you know what a crucifix is? Yeah. That's what Jesus died on. Yeah, that's what Jesus died on. But he's got, he's got Drichus, where he's like laid out over his body,

he's controlling one arm, and landing shots with his left hand, and his other arm is between Hamzot's legs where he's got him crucified out on the map. He did that to him four or five times. Did you watch it, JP? You were at the, that's where you had the wedding.

Anybody else watched this fight? Anniversary. Fuck. It's okay. Keep going. Don't let that. Don't let that derail you that you forgot. Well, it's like I want some. It's like I want to play off somebody in here to just how dominating of a performance this was. A lot of people thought the fight was boring. I like to those minds that want excitement and want action the whole time, I can understand why it was boring. Because again, Hamzat's taking him down every round and just smothering this guy. But it's all like, JP knows what I'm talking about. What positioning is. MMA is everything and Drickus is a hell of a fighter so a lot of the times Hamzot smothering him and not giving him a lot of space and drink is doing a good job of staying close to him because he knows he's in fucking trouble with this motherfucker. Yeah.

So I can see where it's boring but the wrestling clinic and master class that Hamzot put on is insane to me. This is the it's it's when people talk about wrestlers coming in and being able to dominate a match but usually the skill level has gotten so good in the UFC to where wrestling is not the end-all be-all. Like everybody's got skill set of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, taekwondo, fucking all the different

mixed martial arts. And they got black belts and everything. And so these guys are able to, their takedown defense is really good to where they can either keep them on their feet or they're very good on the ground. This dude, Hamzot is like, it's like back to when MMA was starting to blow up

and wrestlers were dominating it. Hamzot is like, it's like swinging that way in his weight class with this individual because he is so fucking good. at wrestling. I'm saying every time. After the third round,

Drickas is sitting over there in his corner, and I'm just like, at this point, what do you even say to this man? Other than I don't know what the fucking do. Right.

Like, the dude's going to say, fight, and then he's going to come out. He's taking my ass down no matter what I do. And Drickas is like trying to keep his distance and trying to find his shots,

but he gets one flinch and boom, double. He's on his ass again. And he's so strong. he gets him there. Look at that photo. It's crazy. Like, he's so good and strong

that he truly couldn't do anything. I mean, if you're this guy, you've got to post that just for the meat pick. Like, that's a nice bowl. You always got on there. But he's just getting tossed around the yard the whole time. The whole time. How many takedowns?

How many takedowns weren't tipped in? I want to say there was one that drink has fought off one time. But, Amsat, white on rice, got on his ass again. Just a gnat. Constely going at him, 24 seconds. And so strong to where Hamzat's extended on the double leg and he's got a fighting chance to scramble and get out of it

and make it interesting. But again, the strength of this motherfucker is crazy. This post has control time was 21 minutes, 40 seconds, 12 takedowns, 529 strikes. Well, say the control time again? 21 minutes, 40 seconds. Almost 22 minutes of control time out of the, 25 that they fought. That's fucking wild.

Like of him just being on top of him. And again, it's like, you wanted to see him. He got him full mounted once. Madrikas, again, he's the fucking defending champion. He's defended his belt. He's a great fighter. He had him. Hamzat mounted him and Drickas got out of it.

He was getting out of situations where it was getting dangerous for him. But as far as like getting out of the control of this psychotic. Yeah. Dagestan? Yeah, Dagestanian? I don't fucking know, dude.

The Daxanian guys are just different fucking cats. It sounds like him and Bo Nickel need to have a good old-fashioned wrestling match. Hamzat, I think, will control this man.

Anybody. Again, it's like, when there's a good wrestler in fighting, fighting has gotten so good to where take down defenses a lot better. You're standing on your feet.

The wrestler's got to learn how to strike. The guys who are not wrestlers, they're very good. on the ground or they might have you know they might be very comfortable on their back this dude is different it's daghistan dude and when people are talking about like oh he just laid on him like uh hamsat the entire time's trying to work for better positioning like you know get trap his knee down on his elbow to try to reposition and get maybe in a better mount position get him into a better

like what is it called when on the side not the not the side guard but a side mount side mount the whole crucifix thing it's like uh dc daniel cormay was doing a great job of basically the entire time trying to educate everybody on like okay here's how you can have a better crucifix having his knee right above his elbow because the whole time he was crucifixing him he had it in between his legs so he couldn't get that positioning to where since he's got it between his legs he's just got these little shots to where he's just pointing him and that's where it's boring because hamzot wasn't able to like keep his elbow on the ground because driscus obviously a hell of a fighter wasn't allowing him to but if he was able to pin his elbow on the ground he's able to drop bows he's

able to land shots on him yeah yeah more catastrophic yeah stuff that people would like to see yeah more catastrophic more catastrophe in this fight catastrophe everywhere yeah but uh it was like uh i was just in all watching the entire fight watching how dominating of a performance this was from somebody who wasn't the champion going for the belt and was just having his way doing whatever he wanted Madrikas. Jesus Christ. So he's gonna be a champ for a while. I think so.

He just has to, the only problem with him going into it was like his health. You seem like, because he got sick, he had to like retire for a little bit. Some of the weight cuts are giving him issues. So if he can dial that in,

sounds like there might not go anywhere for a while. There might not be another human being that could beat him. JP, when we get off the bus, you need to go drop on YouTube and just watch that fight. It was like. Were you trying to give examples? I see you got the bruise on your knee.

that's that's that's so your boy was tubing over the weekend oh tubing a couple of I almost told my goddamn laborum you forget uh you forget what tubing can do to your body like when you get extended like this and you're trying to like hang on and not fall off and just I fucking almost lost my entire arm you've had that whole thing stitched up haven't you yeah 12 anchors all the way around 12 anchors you guys know what the clock looks like 12 to 12 that's how much damage was in my shoulder got it fixed back in college but I was always I was always I was a decent little psychopath on the tube growing up yeah I think the tube is like boys the men like how willing are you if you're willing to put the thumb up for the

extra speed on the tube yeah if you're willing to keep that thumb up like slide me to the side of the boat because you see it away and also tubes have hit a new level of science the way these things you see the ones that get airborne now they have like a little you if you get a boat going fast enough and it'll actually there's ones that'll go like 10 feet in the air and you're like a damn kite so boats and tubes have gotten better boats and tubes are now crushing this was a little more difficult Mitch can Mitch can speak to it too this one had it was a donut tube so it was like a bigger tube and it had it had it you know it had the circle cut in the middle you it seems like

you had a that was a flat tube yeah yeah with the wings that's a fun one right there yeah me and uh me and my buddy Gabe got uh got launched but we need to go the boys need to get on a boat and go tubing. Go tubing. Gotta get tubing. It is so much fun. Oh, G doesn't like the idea of tubing. I'm not trying to die.

See, I'm trying to get fucked up a little out there. Like I got off the tube and I was just reminded of like, yeah, this isn't. Who's driving the boat when you're tubing? I'm not young again. We use this cat shout out Seth, but there's an app called like, get my boat or something like that. Okay. That's what art.

Yeah, to where you can, you know, you just pop on there. You find a boat that you want. you have the not the pilot the captain and he had all the bells and whistles he had a little wakeboard for surfing uh he had the tube he had skis if you wanted a water ski no shit we just ripped around for like i think it's you don't all hickory i think so you know you know what it is well just puts it the GPS man just shows up you know how it shows up ready to party with a really nice house you're just do what you told man no doubt ain't no doubt preach kid preach where we going today put in the maps Yeah, I'll drive us there.

Just blind driving, man. This is out there ripping around. When you're tubing, who's the captain of your ship? Seth. Oh, Seth's the guy. He just goes, I'm your captain today. Yeah, he shows up. He had a beautiful, beautiful truck.

I complimented on the truck, platinum. And yeah, he had this little boat, this speed boat, whatever the hell kind of boat it is. And he just took us out, took us out on the water for like four hours. I would love to get a bustle with the boys tubing. but the thought of like I picture you and me on the tube

and then these boys behind the helm we're not living we're not gonna we're not gonna make it out well yeah you fall we'll start hitting with the thumbs down and then you feel it going up a little bit what did you say Jackson where they're laughing his ass off

his little his phone we're just moving around getting tossed no in reality I think I'm probably the only one who's legally allowed to drive this boat because in Tennessee after 1998 you have to have a boaters license really and I have one

but I would fuck you your shit up Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But that's just, that's generational, because that's how dads do. That's how my dad did it. It's like, yeah. If you're not throwing guys around, then it's like, what are we doing? That's a Southern Boys Bar Mets coach. You cruise for a little bit and you're like, okay, they got it.

They got a decadent. Now, let's crank it up on them. I will say, though. They're feeling a little too confident back. Yeah. If you tube after the age of like, let's say, like 23, 24, you realize how sore your body gets. God, boy. It's not.

No shit. Same. I intubed in a minute. It's not a tube. got a tube that grip strength too yeah that crazy your palms will be in shambles for the next few days yeah my buddy he had a boat what the what is this oh i thought that was Mitch my buddy had a boat and it was like one of those tubes but i had like a back to it like a couch so me and like two my buddy would sit there and kind of it was kind of just nice but then then the dad would kind of be like

they've been on this for too long yeah and would just rip us around good ripppj man he would Fuck us up on that tube. Is he dead? Yeah, yeah, he died. That's why I said RP, man. I think that's it. Yeah. So ours was blue.

Ours was blue. Those ones get lost, and I haven't been on one of those, but I feel like you'd feel vulnerable hitting the turn. Just sitting up. Getting moved around. God. I told Seth too before he was like,

you feel pretty confident in tubing. I said, I used to devil back in the day. Go ahead. You can rip it up a little bit. You know, he kind of got me off on the first, the first big turn. and he drove back over

I was like all right yeah I've lost a step tubing tubing yeah are you working on Canada no I like it's it's Charo it's her family like what am I gonna do

yeah Rue charl to do with Rue but again it was like a we had like a donut tube so I felt a little too big like Rue being like below me I just didn't feel comfortable

like trying to maneuver my own body around her yeah Is this the kind of do you? Yeah. Yeah. Which is tough because it's like, you know, Yeah, like you can hit the side a little bit,

but when you're on the straightaway, you know how you like to just kind of like lay on your stomach to let your arm strength, like regain its rest, like give your grip a little rest. And when you have the hole cut out in the middle, it's kind of just hard to get comfortable. Then when you're climbing up, it's like you've got to balance on that tube part

versus just being on a flat tube. You can just get up on your knees. Now you're engaging Corley. How do you get some rest? Yeah. How do you get some rest? That looks fun. Yeah.

That's, see, that that'll fuck us up. But that's a squad one. That's like the thing. You know the thing at the park as a kid where it was like the big circle and you'd sit in it and then you'd spin the middle of the wheel and then kids the velocity would just take the kids out one by one. Is that a merry-go-round? No. Not a merry-go-round, but it's like the- it's like a blue thing and it has seats. and then there's a pole in the middle with like a disc

and you rotate the disc and it rotates the... Oh, gotcha. All the kids. And everyone's like who could hold on the longest. And then it always goes so fast that the smallest kid, you know, he just gets sacrificed like a lamb. Like he just shoots out five, six feet. We'd be doing that with just a regular, you know,

saucer one where it's just got the rail in there and you just got to hold on to the rail. And somebody's just psychotically spinning me. You're just like hanging on to the rail. Yeah. You've seen the ones where they tell like a quad, they get like a quad and they get like a string and tie it to it.

And then they just take off and you see the people just get ripped out of there. That shit is that shit's too much. Do we have, we have big news. I have redemption coming if you're watching this on Tuesday. Today, Kansas City. I'm throwing out the first pitch to Will Compton.

Big redemption. Our fans at Fandwell, they are giving away $10,000 in bonus bets. $10,000 in bonus bets truly on if I have a catchable or not catchable throw

which is hilarious and disrespectful all at the same time because a lot of people would be like striker, strike or ball. We can kind of assume it's going to be a ball. It's really how much does Will have to move his body with that tight back

to catch the ball that I throw? Do we know that for sure? I believe, yes, I don't, I can't ever say for sure. No guarantees. We have to figure out the rules. My understanding is it's catchable or not catchable.

But yes. But they're giving away, yeah, $10,000 in bonus bets. So you pick the boy, throws a catchable ball or not? I'm gonna say right now, go ahead and bet catchable. I've been putting in some work. I've been getting after it. It seems like every damn day. I bug you every single day.

We're in the office. Let's go get a game of catching. Even Will is in the middle of working. He's doing some for the dad stuff. He's got his notepad out. He's playing on his iPad. And I'm like, hey, I need you to come out and get this with me real quick. So we're putting in the work.

We've done some meditating. We've done some visualization. I think this, fuck it, this week, what literally happens tomorrow. But maybe tomorrow before we go, we go get on a diamond real quick. You know what? Fuck it. We're not doing that. I'm going in.

I'm raw dogging this thing. Grip and rip, bro. Grip and rip. It's time. Yeah. Hayes in the barn. Get a couple good ones this afternoon. Five to ten throws.

Just feel it. Just feel it. Put it in there. And let's make a catchable ball. The hay's not in the barn until you get out there. The work is, well, when, yeah, when you go to play a football, game you still got to play the game but the haze in the barn as far as the preparation goes will we talk about the preparation again it's like we got to get there early so you can feel

the stadium there's still some work to be done no doubt get out there yeah but do when i go home am i out there playing with my kids right now no i'm i'm icing my shoulder i'm sitting crisscross applesauce in the corner of a house i got meditation music going i'm doing deep breaths that's what's happening when i'm at home right my kids know daddy's got to make things right yes i've dishonored their name and it's time to make it right. $10,000 bonus bets. We will have more details on that. Follow us and socials.

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Delaney will be with us. Delaney's coming. Gotta have Delany. Yeah. Which also, I played catcher Delaney last week. and I think he'd have trouble on the mound and just catching in general. Him holding a glove in his hand

just seemed like very unnatural for him. He was looking awkward out there? He was looking a little awkward out there. And that's coming from me. That's coming from me. In the light of baseball, we have baseball jerseys. BWTB.com. Go find those there.

It says tier one in the back. If you watch any of the socials of me throwing the ball, you see me wearing that jersey, feel good, look good, play good. That's what we got going on there. BWTB.B.com. Also on BTB, the live show. Again, we will be in Lincoln, Nebraska, September 19th, doing a live show before the big game, Michigan, Nebraska on September 20th.

But you can get those tickets at BWTB.com. It'll be at the Rocco Theater and Lincoln, Nebraska on Friday night. Special guests, food, drinks, fun, banter, getting the juices flowing before. Giveaways. The trophy game, the Bustin Bowl. God. A lot going on, man. A lot going on.

Catastrophic. Catastrophic. catastrophic. There's so much more I want to talk about, but I feel like we should wait. I know, the college football, the football, so knowing that football's back just has us all so excited.

It's starting, you start to feel it. Like when you're driving to work, when you're consuming your content, football is truly, there's games getting played this weekend, yeah? Yeah. Games getting paid this weekend. NFL, James Cook,

he's holding out a little bit with the bills. He just got paid $48 million. He's locked stocked two smoking barrels for the bills to make that final push get over the hump. Trey Hendrickson right now with the Bengals. He's saying, I don't want to play for y'all anymore. You got to pay me. I'm looking at Max Crosby, Miles Garrett, T.J. Watt.

I want that type of money. Their first round pick goes from his holdout. He almost went back to A&M. What's going to happen with the Bengals? Their defense wasn't great last year, but their offense was amazing. Dude, it's an exciting time of year. An exciting time of year. I saw that, uh, Tray Hendrickson's on the trading block.

Yeah, that's what we were just, yeah, there's a lot. lot of teams. Yeah. There's a lot of teams out there that. Oh, Will brought up a good point. Trey Hendrickson. He's very upset. He wants to get paid. He looks at Max Crosby, T.J.Y. Miles Gary. He's like, I want to get paid that much. The first round pick, he was at A&M, thinking about going back to college, but now he's back in. So I think, is this a viable option? Get rid of Trey Hendrickson. But now, Trey Henderson, you got the Cowboys calling. You got the Titans calling. You got the Raiders calling. You got a whole bunch of teams calling, saying, we want this salty white cat on our team. Did you hear about Trey Hendrickson?

No, no, no, no. I think we should give a shout out. Did you hear that, or see James Cook got a bag? James Cook, four years before, hey, Millie. The barrels, they're looking to take the next step, get over the hump of the Super Bowl. Lockstopped at two smoking barrels.

Those guys were ready to go out there. Catastrophic intro. Quinson Judkins. What's going on with him? He's expected to return. Prosecutters dropped. Quinnson Judkins. prosecutors drop charges.

Bink, he's ready to go. He's got no criminal liability going on. Isaiah Bond, he just signed with the Browns. They got his quick, his junk kids also on the, on the Browns. Yeah. So prosecutors drop him. Isaiah Bonn, he's also at the Browns.

And meanwhile, Deshawn walked and sitting in the background of the Browns. They're just like, hey, 80s, Raiders, let's be them. Let's fucking be him out here. They're doing, they're doing their thing. What do you think of, uh, Dylan Gabriel's comment? There's entertainers and competitors, man. he knows which one he is yeah i like it's like is that a shot or is he basically just is he just talking about being a competitor i don't think it had anything to do with shudor same i know i think it was about

the media because when you when you see the quote you think shedur but then you watch him talking and you're like oh he's just talking about the world and like what he he knows what his role is and he knows what he has to do right because exactly because she was asking about how do you handle like all the media pressure whatever it is and i think he was saying yeah the media all the media all the media all are whatever, are trying to entertain people and we're like actually playing the game. Yeah. It had nothing to do with Shadur.

Yeah. You know how the internet is, man. I know. Yeah. Dude, the Browns are a fun team to watch this year. That's, they got a great lawyer. Yeah. They do, man.

They really do. Yeah. Yeah, Shadur out there. He's doing his thing. He's kind of silencing the haters a little bit. Even if he doesn't start at the beginning of the year, probably going to be Joe Flacco's job. Miles Garrett's out there just walking Johnny Gray's letting his piece,

flapping the wind. Spencer Rattler leading the Saints, the game winning drives. Spencer, Kellynne Moore sitting there with Kay Adams a couple of days ago, still not willing to say who a starting quarterback is. So we got, there's a lot going on. NFC South is an odd. It's an odd ball world.

I feel like it's a Falcons. It's a Falcons division this year. I disagree. I think it's bucks. Oh. Good point, strong point. I think it's bucks. Nix takes a step.

I could see the Pennix taking a step right here. I can see Pennix taking a step, but I just think like the Bucks or the team to beat the South. Like I say, I think the bucks would be really good in the AFC in general. Yeah, especially if they ever went to the AFC. Yeah, they were quite crazy. Did I say AFC or NFC?

Yeah. You were talking about Trey Hendrickson. Oh, yeah. Trey Hendrickson, he wants to go. He's in the AFC. Did y'all see all local Atlanta news? Did Pinnick's so dirty? Oh, my God.

Yeah. Crazy they would copy that, dude. Crazy troll. Yeah. It has been in headlines. Dick jokes have been big headlines in the past week.

It's true. So shout at Atlanta getting in on that. So are UFC guys. Well, UFC guys up too. Good. People saw us on UFC.

Now they try to get to get the only. Oh, yeah. It's a copycat league, man. It's a copycat league. JP had a big joke on Twitter. Oh, yeah. The cloud? Yeah.

And I love, dude, the first comment was so pure. they were like this reminds me of that nerve football i'm like yeah yeah okay exactly that was insane nice looking piece massive yeah i wish i knew i wish i saw this cloud piece i wish i saw it um he put a date on it yeah i put a date on it all right cool that's good that's good there'll be another one dropping it was home day anniversary yesterday yeah congratulations man dude somebody sent me a video of the rick 65 thank you you somebody sent me a video of the relay of like a of longer video of the pool relay which i

hadn't seen before on release footage wow luckily it luckily for you they started it after that first leg okay buddy actually you might still be in the water i think i might be out yeah well's one that took the video yeah but yeah no it was fun we were down in florida and it was the sunsets out there dude we freaking we're three for three was that your drone? Yeah. The birds flying across

you cannot. I mean, it truly left us both speechless. Because you see it a little bit on your screen when you're filming it but then when you go back

and actually look at the footage you're like, we'll never, never going to be able to top this. God. One year, it goes by fast. Goes by fast, man.

It's crazy. It's crazy how fast the whole thing goes. It's wild that just a year ago you guys were doing a pool party and I was driving 10 hours to a wedding to spend four hours and now look at us huh all for nothing too just because you got back and they stay got delayed yeah that's crazy that is crazy

we needed we need to take it out on them yeah did he think so you think what I think our boy just got here eight minutes or eight he should just enter right now let him come in let's see yeah let's just get him on the bus I think he's getting he's probably listening to his tunes in the car big News. He's probably, uh, not for the public right now. Okay. But we have a massive guest locked in for this Thursday.

Locked in for this Thursday. And they will be coming out the following week. Give you a hint. And it's not what you think. The king. No. No, no, no, no, no, no. Josh Pates probably out there rocked up right now because he.

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Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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We had to let you know that information. We played the game T yet again. A few round applause with Mitch Carsley, handling business. Nice, Mitch. Taking me out of the championship. Was it y'all two versus each other? It was us too.

Mitch. First one, first one, Mitch grabbed no problem. Second one, Mitch was doing the thing where he jumps real high in the air. So he did,

I just hit him right in the hip. He was trying to end on a highlight. Yeah, he was trying to dunk on me, really. So I got his hip. He went a crazy distance and I went and got that thing.

And then the third one was very anti-climatic. He saw it. He hunted it down like a heat-seeking missile and took a championship. Yeah, I played. It was fun.

Oh, yeah, it was awesome. It might be a top, it might be the top pool game. Oh. I mean, without putting a whole lot of thought into it, it's like, when's the last time as an adult you had that much fun playing a pool game? Obviously, pool basketball, pool volleyball, like those are tough to beat.

Yeah, I feel like, I love that drain game. What's a drain game? Splash ball. Yeah, gutter ball. Yeah, gutter ball. You are right about that. Hold on. Fill me in a little bit.

So what I was going to say is all around, I think T is the best water game because you can kind of make that happen and whatever kind of pull you're in. Some of these games are circumstantial. Which gutter ball, if you have a pool, you got a big enough pool, usually it's out a public pool, but you know how they got the gutters on the side. And you take a splash ball, and it's like two on two. You kind of figure out how wide you can go, but you're trying to skip it into the gutter. Oh, that's dope. So it's just offense, defense.

You're trying to make sick diving catches, trying to skip it. Fun time. Get the sidearm going. Gutter ball is a blast, bro. We got to get that dialed in. What you got, Colum? I have someone to present to you guys. on the bus.

Present? A very special guest. Ladies gentlemen, Josh Payne. Good to see you, sir. The future commissioner of college football, Josh Pate is on the bus. Some people say he is college football.

Some people say he is college football. Open that for me, please. I got you. What you got there, dude? Tart chair juice. Honestly, that's just meo-cathinated water. Okay. It's really what you drink it out of.

This is probably the bigger deal. I've never let anyone else unbox one of these things. What's it say? You shouldn't have. Paid state chalice of supremacy. That's the same stuff they make the crystal football out of. That's not true. But that looks like the same stuff they make the crystal football.

It does. That's beautiful. Yeah. So what does this mean? What does this mean for us? Are we part of like the Pate Illuminati? Honestly, you determined what it means for you. I hand out about 15, 20 of those.

a year, mostly to family and friends. So we're going to go backwards on this. So, look, balls in your court now. My balls are in your court. You kind of define. Oh, so you gave us a gift. You kind of defined.

You kind of defined. Not necessarily today, but yeah. I mean, I don't just give gifts and not expect something back. You never do something for somebody just have the kindness of your heart. Absolutely that. Absolutely.

Charity is one of the best businesses to be in. I think we all know that. It's very profitable. And I will say, we knew you'd probably bring gifts or we brought you something as well. Okay. You want to see it, now?

Yeah, because I think it'll determine the mood the rest of the day. Okay. Yeah. Thanks, buddy. Absolutely. This, uh, this episode, uh, this interview is brought to you by Bud Light. But Light is always brew for simple ingredients for a clean, Chris Taste. Butlight is the official beer sponsor of the NFL, the NFL, the NFL draft, Tide in you.

And Shane Gillis is 2025 tour. Bud Light partners include Peyton Manning, George Kittle, Tara Luan, Baker Mayfield, Mayfield, Will Compton, Emmett, Emmett Smith, Shane Gillis, Post Malone, Dustin Porier. Stock up on Budlight. Now head to www.budlight.com for it slash locator to find a store near you. Easy to drink. Easy to enjoy. I'm actually going to need that back in a little bit. Dude, uh, did it really? Yeah. No way. We're on the bus, bro. That's really tough to do. Yeah. We are. Your arms are incredible. Thank you. It seems like you have a great V going on as well. It's tough to accomplish. You know that. Yeah. Absolutely. I haven't accomplished it. You seem like you've got it. The pump if you have free time on your hands and you just shop at G&C regularly enough, that's not hard. the V is tough. In your 20s, it's not so tough. Google says I'm 55.

I'm not 55 years old. They've got me mixed up with that other Josh Pate, but I'm not 25 either. So the V is, it's a challenge. Are you willing to tell us how old you actually are? I'm in my 30s. Okay.

Are we talking? Oh, I like this game. We're talking 39 for the next six months. Oh, let's go. You're going to be 40. Not 40 yet. Yeah. Not 40 yet.

You look good. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Yeah. We got a little free time in the middle of the day. That's how we do it. Yeah.

You got to work at 5 a.m. and 10 p.m. Keep the middle of the day free. Yeah. That's when the gym's empty. That's when the sun's out. That's how to prolong your life like 10 to 15 years. Take it in, box it up.

What does for people that see that the paid state machine happening? What does a daily cadence look like for you? I'm prepping for your shows because you rock live. How many times a week? Three times a week. Three times a week, you rock live. You're traveling all the time. You're also a marriage.

man, like what does a daily routine look like for Josh Pate's when you're firing on all cylinders? So we're doing, so it's usually 5A wake up. There's all the any kind of programming, any kind of like I like to watch a previous night show and grade it on a rubric, kind of like you were great film. The day after you played a football game, we got like a rubric where we kind of grade performance on air. Then there's the engagement stuff. Then you do a whole lot of media in the morning. You'll do meetings in the morning. We will do show prep part one production. meeting, then we'll go to the gym, we'll get to the office for basically hardcore show prep from 3P Central until show airs, show airs at 7th Central, post-prod, that'll probably end 930, go home,

1030 to 11th when you're trying to finish calls that you tried to make throughout the day, and hopefully embed by 11. Up at what time? Five. He's a machine. Which is hard. A machine. Did you ever, like, did either one of you ever get conditioned to pre-work out, get conditioned

like morning workout. Oh yeah. You did it. Did you ever get to where you said, this is not a problem for me? Because I never did. Like, what do you mean? This is not a problem for you? I always feel sick.

I feel sick if I have to work out at 5 o'clock in the morning. I've done it. Like for years playing sports, I did it. But I never got into a sweet spot with it. And so it surprises me that I'm able to like normally wake up like my dad used to do. I used to think my dad was a psychopath because he woke up at 445 every morning on his own. And now I'm like that. But I never thought I would be a.

a morning person. I was always stay up until 2 a.m., sleep until 9, and now it's totally inverted, which is good because you get the most work done in the morning. I feel like I've had to teach myself to get used to working out like in the afternoon or in the evening if I can't get it done in the morning. So I feel like if I don't get my workout done in the morning, I'm just behind on everything. You know, I have a little bit more anxiety. So I would rather, if I have to wake up earlier, like do whatever I have to in the morning before I get the day going. Well, your gym's 45 feet away now, too. Yeah, that's a fair point.

If that. The thing, yeah, the morning workout to me, I am now training myself that we have the sore next gym at our shop. It's like, all right, get the stuff done, do your little routine in the morning. And then once you get the bulk of your stuff done, take the 45 to an hour and get the workout and then. But I'm very much like, wake up in the morning, have your disciplines or whatever you want to get done and then start your day. And it makes you feel good. But if you're waking up at five every single morning, I find myself Wednesday or Thursday.

finding that lull, finding that drag, because I don't find a lot of times for naps. That's where the season matters. Yeah. Because in April, there's nothing, there's no light at the tunnel at the end of the week. Right. I mean, unless you're going on vacation or something. That's why this time of year, like, so we're sitting here talking week zero starts this weekend. Then next weekend, everyone will be playing.

And I, like I call that season protocol. So someone out there's watching this or listening to this and their Wednesday's going to suck. And if your Wednesday sucks in March, your Wednesday just sucks in March. If your Wednesday sucks in October, you know, no matter how bad it gets today, I got Michigan kicking off. I got Nebraska kicking off in like 72 hours or 96 hours. Yeah. That's where that whole key, it gets put in the ignition and it gets turned. Like, how do you have a bad day in the fall?

You fucking gas at that. It's true. Yeah. There's always something to look forward to every single week, the hopes and dreams. We were talking about in the intro. It's like, what do you, like every week there's something to look forward to. That's where people, so. casual fans who watch football if it's on at a bar or if they're at a buddy's house,

they don't get that. But see, they'll make fun of people who are diehard sports fans. And I always, like, I'm in on the joke with them because the joke is on them. Because you don't have this thing in your life that for six months out of the year makes everything that's bad during the week, right, because you have it to look forward to. What are you looking forward to? If you don't have this in your life, I've got God in my life, I got family in my life, and then I got college football six months out of the year in my life.

Even if you have the first two, what do you, what's filling the third void? There's three great voids in life. I'm making this up like a like some kind of monk said this at one point. You sound like a modern day philosopher right now. Yeah, look at Will. What does you have? You're juicing me up because you're right. It's like God, selfless, family selfless, but what's that selfish thing?

Yeah. That's pushing you to the end of the week that you could just get giddy about. I don't know what else it is. I know where people have other passions. but I don't know what other thing that people really partake in. Like I guess if you were a big fan of a musician, they're going to come to your town one time out of the year. If you're a big like Marvel fan,

their movie's going to come out and it's going to come out one time a year. We get this boom, boom, boom, boom, every Saturday, every Sunday. Do you drop every weekend in the fall. And you know it's coming. Every single time. It's great. Talk to me about how the origin of college football love started for you. Because when you were here a couple of weeks ago,

we started breaking down. You play a little bit of high school. You're more a baseball guy. Then you really didn't do anything in college, but you just found the love. And then you've obviously turned into the college football guru you are today. Yeah, I grew up in it, like I was immersed in it. So the stereotype about kids who grew up in the South, like, that was me.

So it was no different than that. What I wondered for a long time is like, okay, if I'm not going to play it, I don't look like I'm going to get a scholarship to Syracuse or Northwestern or one of those big journalism schools. So everyone I see on TV has one pretty much Or either they're a former player or former coach And I'm none of those So it looks like maybe I won't be able to do this for a living

So I'm just going to watch it And I'm going to love it like all my buddies do So then what was crazy You guys have seen this just like I have 2013, 14, 15 rolls around I've been doing radio for a little while But like when I pulled up Facebook one day And someone was live streaming

Or when I pulled up YouTube one day and someone was live streaming. I wasn't around for the Berlin Wall, but in our world, in my world, in the non-former player, non-former coach, non-big journalism degree world, those were the Berlin Walls coming down

because overhead and distribution was the name of the game. Well, your overhead here is a bus that you tricked out and your distribution is the internet. And so once that became the two game changers in the space, I realized, oh, wait, maybe I can.

Like if I'm half good at it, maybe I can do that. You can truly bet on yourself at that point. Up until that point, even if you did everything right, there were like five or six gatekeepers that really determined who scaled, who made it, and who didn't. So it went from passion that I loved it, but that's going to be a hobby.

That's what I do for fun to maybe I can do that for a living. So I would say from birth, I loved it. About 10 years ago is when I realized there could be something professionally there's a career. What were the learning curves like when you were trying to hit your break, throughs or break through the ceilings that you had on top of you or that you assumed was on top of you. Well, it takes so many chops. It's like full Greg Shiano. I mean, the guy has set up there at Rutgers for

years. Every Thursday night, it felt like they play a game. And every Thursday night, he'd get on air and he'd say, we've got to keep chopping wood. We've got to keep chopping wood. And I listen to that. It's like in one ear, out the other. That's coaching speak. That's cliches. But then when you start doing this, I mean, for a long time, I'm happy if we get double-digit viewers on a live stream. I'm happy if we've got 17, like we're pushing 20 tonight. And so that's a big deal. Well, I'm thinking to myself, I wonder what I have to do to get millions of viewers, millions of subscribers and listens. And I mistakenly thought, you've got to do way better work. You could be doing the right work. It just takes a while to cut through, which is a good thing. You actually want your big break really

quickly, but it's a blessing that the big break doesn't come because you actually may not be ready for the big break when you're praying for it. So it's actually a blessing that you're three, four years down the road is when like a Shannon Terry calls you up. Because then you've got your thousands of hours of repetition. You've got a persona a little bit. Like you've got an identity. You know who you are. You know what your presentation is.

You're not trying to emulate anyone anymore. Like you have your influences just like we all do. But you've divorced yourself from trying to be as repetitively like comparable to them as possible. And so it's just being comfortable not being seen or heard for a long time. And understanding it may be a blessing that no one's seeing you or hearing you for a little while. And then the competitions out there quitting every day because they're not getting the results. So unbeknownst to you, they're like 5,000 people that started the same time you did. And there are about three to five spots at the top of the ladder in what you do.

And so it's like 10 years down the road before you could ever achieve it. And you can't see your competition. I'm in Columbus, Georgia, doing what I'm doing. There may be a guy in Des Moines, Iowa, maybe a guy in Tucson, Arizona. And every day, like five or ten of them are tapping out because no one's watching them. Right. That is hard to adjust to if you don't have perspective about yourself. I heard a...

That's powerful shit right there, Josh Pate. That is, bro. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that is. Chopin wood. Yeah. I feel like anybody who's tuning in and thinking about something, or they're curious or interested in doing something,

that would be a conversation that they should, that they're probably sitting there and self-talking themselves on, do I want to do this? Or if they're in the middle of something right now. and they're not getting the love that they think they should be getting right now. Like that right there is a great perspective to lean on. Take consistent action. And eventually you'll be rewarded for all the things you do.

That's it. Hey, even if you're not, even if you don't get the reward you think you're owed, you'll never lay in bed at night wondering, man, I wonder what would have happened if I didn't quit? Or I wonder what would have happened if I pursued that. That was like in the times where our traction was nothing.

And like I'm trying to work part time to even stay from getting evicted. You're still telling yourself, Yeah, but I'm doing what I love. I'm pursuing what I love. So I'd rather just go broke doing this than go take, like there was a job. I remember this, the convention and trade center in the town I grew up in. There was a job. It would have paid me $60,000 a year, way more money than I had ever made at any point.

That was like double what I was making in local TV. I could have taken that and been totally fine the rest of my life. I would have escalated up through middle management, upper management, but I would have never known. And also since that's the mid to late 20 teens, congruent to me tapping out, someone else would have blown up in the college space or two or three people would have blown up in the college space. And I'd be sitting here in 2025 watching their channel,

subscribe to their stuff, downloading their pods. And I would think to myself this whole time, I'm not happy, I'm not fulfilled because deep down, I think that should have been me. With that mindset of being like, I'm going to keep this going, I'm doing what I love,

regardless if the money's not coming in, Did you have that thought process the entire time or was there ever a point where you're like, okay, maybe I should pack this. Maybe it's not for me. I see these other guys that maybe, because once you start doing something, you become more aware of what everybody else is kind of doing, trying to do around you. And you kind of see maybe this guy to your left is getting a little more views than you. He's starting to do a little bit better than you. That can be a little bit like comparison is the thief of joy. Like you're losing it.

How is he doing better than I am? Was there ever like a maybe I should take that $60,000 a year job and worked through middle management? or was it very consistent like, I'm going to keep doing this and keep chopping wood. I would say there were individual moments where, yeah, there was doubt, but I would say they were fleeting. Like the consistent theme was, I'm going to see this through. Like, I'm going to steer the ship into the fog. If I hit the rocks, I hit the rocks.

But like, I think that's the way I'm supposed to go. Right. I think the other thing you hit on there is something that's the stupidest thing that exists in our space, like in the digital media space. People don't know how to define competition in our space. People treat competition in digital media. like it's 1993. So in 1993, if you got busing going on, and I got my show going on, and we're both

airing in Nashville, Tennessee from 3 to 7 p.m. in the afternoon, every listener you get is one I can't get. There is no on-demand. There is no replay. There is no download the pod tomorrow morning if you miss the live show. So we got to beat each other's throats. And I got to do whatever. I got to do on the streets.

I got to get in the pocket of advertisers and take you guys out because that's how I'm going to survive. 2025 is not like that. 2025 is high tide raises all boats. It is on demand. The audience is in full control. And so when you do good, if I have my head on straight, it actually helps me. Right.

So all that gets in your way is ignorance or jealousy now. And it's crazy. It's as old as Canaan and Abel. So it'll always be there. But to watch the guys who don't get it and who still try and talk about being competitive. And they think competitive means taking views. from someone. It's not the way the industry works anymore. And I, look, there was a whole bunch I didn't know. There's a whole bunch I still don't know. But I realized early on, if I'm watching other people who are

doing college football on digital media, I'm rooting for them. I'm not looking at their viewership as being twice mine and saying, dude, man, I'm so envy of that. How do I take that for myself? What I'm thinking is, how do I make sure I'm in their suggested videos feed? How do I make sure I get some rub with their channel? How do I make sure their audience sees me? I'm going to be active in their comment section. I'm going to do that. But the competition, dude, it's so misunderstood. The competition's with a standard.

It's not with anybody else that's in the space. At least I don't think it is in 2025. Dude, I could not, I could not agree with that thought process more. Like you said, there's so many eyes and ears in this world. And if you're a fan of sports and you go find, we were talking about new heights. Like they just had to Swift on, they had 17 million views on Wednesday. That's a win for everybody. Like you're allowing, you're bringing more eyes.

and ears and hopefully they come and see you a little bit as well and you get to snap off you know one percent of those people want to stay with you and watch you as well it's such an interesting change when you go from playing competitive sports yes where everyone is like you know you walk into a room it's high school you walk into a room there's a starting left tackle I want to be the starting left tackle so now I'm competing with him back and forth trying to get that job and then obviously if you're able to get it you're trying to get a scholarship it's always competing for self and then going to a world like this it's like you have to kind of turn you're going to turn off the thought process of competing with others to now you're competing with yourself

and how do you make your brand and quality as good as possible. So when people do stumble upon you, it's like, all right, like you're giving them something that they want to come back to. Think about this also. What do you want out of it? Like, you could be of the mentality that all I want to do is grow my brand individually, make as much money as I can. You could be purely selfish about it. And that's your business. Like, if you want to be that way, I don't advise it, but I'm not going to tell you not to be that way. But like, think about fundamentally what you get to do. You get to, both of you played the game. I'm sitting here having not even played the game. I'm strictly taking from football. And it's the stupidest mentality in the world to have where you

make life-changing money sitting on a microphone talking about a sport to think, oh, I don't owe anything to this space. I don't owe anything to that game. I don't owe anything to the community at large. I don't know how you make it long term thinking like that. I don't know how you make it in life thinking like that, much less make it professionally. Boy,

that Nebraska hat looks so good. You like it? I thought you would have one on too. I know, I watched your show last night. I heard. I saw the clip, obviously. I heard.

But I also consumed the entirety of your show last night. And I had a little shit-eating grin when I heard you say biggest Nebraska supporter in the city of Nashville. So I assume that you probably have on something Nebraska related.

I dare I ask, are you going to be on the road with us next week at Arrowhead, Nebraska Cincinnati being the Nebraska supporter that you are, which fires me up because you're a monster in the space. So, hey, more Nebraska supporters, the better. Here's the problem I have. The problem I have is if I'm at Arrowhead next week and then I'm at the bus and bowl a few weeks later, the public starts to talk about Nebraska homerism, the public starts to throw allegations that I can't afford right now. And so I've got to choose one of the other.

But wouldn't that be better because isn't the bias with Josh Pade is that you're an SEC homer? It really depends on who you're listening to because you go around the South and they'll tell you, do you slurp the Big Ten too much? And the Big Ten will definitely tell you the opposite. And then some guy randomly throw Big 12 homerism at me the other day. And there's not a Big 12 homer on the planet, by the way. That's not even a thing that exists. Oh, I don't know. We got one that sits in the back there. Right there. Someone gets that fun green cap. loves Big 12 football back there. I love the Big 12, but everybody thinks you're making it a charity case when you say that. There's, I'm talking about people who would like in Predator take the machete across the chest. They bleed Big 12. Yeah. Those people are hard to find. And so when you get a, when you get like accused of being one, it's almost like a badge of honor in a weird way because it's the safest allegation. You can own that. And if you're a Big 12 homer, no one hates you. So that's actually the one I want. But it's not the one I have. Did you hear the little. little nuggety threw in there, the Easter egg.

What's that? If he's at the bus. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you come in, so yeah, honestly, if it's my perfect world, would love to have you at the bust and bowl over Arrowhead. Do you worry that you may overshadow the game that day? I think me.

We're getting to the point where... Me personally? The juice around the bus and bowl, I'm just... Do you think you talk to Sharon, you talk to Matt Rule, and then you talk to you guys, Do you think that there may be leading up to kick off a little concern the game's being overshadowed because bus and bowl is in town? I think that's pressure and pressure makes diamonds.

Yeah. And one team will rise to the occasion and one team won't. It's a reason why it's the greatest trophy game in all of college football. Which I disagree with. Well, we can get into that. We all have opinions. No matter how wrong or right they are,

we all have opinions, right? Yep. But also, we're bringing eyes and ears to the game that we love to the teams that we love. Yeah, you're giving back to the game. These guys want it. They need it. They got to have it.

They look at that Buston Bull trophy that's in Ann Arbor, Michigan right now, that's sitting in their players' locker room or their players' lounge, whatever it is. And they smile when they walk past it. They think Buston with the boys. They think tradition, rich history, two elite programs that have been a staple of college football since the time they planted their block N and M. That, that fires me up. They're proud.

That fires me up. September 20th, two teams will enter, one team will leave Victoria. One day that trophy could be Floyd of Rosdale. Floyd of Rosedale. One day that trophy could be Floyd. I got one trophy on my set. Is it the pig? And it's the pig.

Is that Minnesota? Minnesota, Iowa. Minnesota, Iowa. That's the greatest trophy you think? I love it as the greatest trophy in sports. I think it's better than the Stanley Cup. I just love it's got a name. It's a pig named Floyd.

Yeah. It's a pig that's a trophy that's a statue. They've got the axe. You probably know the Big Ten trophies better than I do. Wisconsin, Minnesota. That's beautiful. That's a good one. And honestly, as a pig lover, I had a pig in college.

His name was Dr. Helmut III. I can have respect and love for that trophy. Doesn't hold a candle to the Buston Bowl. Doesn't hold a candle to Paul Bunyan trophy. And you're not biased in any way. Like, you're speaking about this from an unbiased perspective. I think if you look at, I mean, just pull up, just pull up a picture of the Buston Bowl trophy. If we're talking about looks alone.

Sentiment, sentiment as well. Yeah. There's sentiment on my side with Floyd. I can understand. I'm not knocking this trophy. This is a very good trophy. In time, I think it could elevate in meaning. I think this year goes a long way in that.

Yeah, I mean. Floyd's been around since the Mayflower came over. Yeah. I would agree with you. I could say I would have. Since the Mayflower. Speaking for myself, biased towards the bus and bowl,

but in all totality, you can't just have a one-sided bus and bowl trophy. You know, can I give? And we're very young. We're in our youth stages right now. Can I get some feedback? Go ahead. I think you need to feature

the trophy more prominently. I have not seen a close-up of this trophy. And I consume your stuff pretty fairly religiously. So I think that you need to get the image of the trophy out there more. I think it needs to be more prominent. I think it needs to be featured more. I agree. Many trophies merchandisable. I don't think it's a terrible idea. That could be your chalice of supremacy. Yeah. Write that down back then. We interrupt this episode to bring you dude wipes. Are you fumbling the ball when it comes to getting a confident clean in the back of your end zone? Make the right play, call an audible and switch from dried toilet paper to wet extra large dude wipes. Why?

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diamonds and big game coming up. That's what four weeks from now? What date is that? September 20. September 20. But like before August ends, you got a first pitch coming up. Yeah. Actually, it's tomorrow. Yeah. And so it's tonight as we're listening to the show. As you're watching the show, it is tonight. Can I give you my take on this?

Because everyone's going to try and hype you up. Everyone's going to tell you don't be nervous. You're going to be nervous if you remain in your current state. So folks like to listen to music before they go do stuff like this. Folks like to do pushups or do the armbands. If you'll pop three NyQuil, 30 minutes, before you throw out this first pitch. You will be fine.

You'll go, you'll go in or third, outer third. You'll be able to location spot. You'll be fine. You fall asleep afterwards. Yeah. But you will be totally fine and you hardly will even remember the experience. But you'll have the film like George Bush after 9-11.

And you'll be able to go back and you'll be able to say, dude, I fell asleep in the dugout after this. But that was 63 on the block. Tell me why NyQuil. How did you get there? I thought you were going to say something along the lines of visualization.

No. I thought you were going to compliment my throwing abilities as we've actually played catch. We have. But that wasn't Kaufman Stadium. You're going to Kaufman, right? You're going to Kansas City? Yes. Yes.

I just all due respect to the alley back here. There's not a waterfall in center field in the alley back here. Could make one. Quick trip, by the way. One of my big partners is the presenting sponsor of Kansas City Royals. So this is a big deal for me to even have you guys in town. In fact, welcome to Kansas City. Yeah.

I'm just in all due respect. Like, that's a little different than out back the warehouse. Listen, Josh. With all due respect, we have been working on the mental side. Feeling the grass, feeling the space around you, trying to bring yourself back to Bush Stadium when it happened. Okay, so I'm just saying my advice is scrap all the prep and take NyQuil. Take NyQuil.

That's my advice. You take it or leave it. Right? Okay. That's what you may be okay. What's your experience been with NyQuil in these big moments? I can throw accurately, so I don't need it. But when have you used NyQuil?

What I'm saying? No, what have you used NyQuil to help you out in a big moment. No, I've not done that, but I just, you get one shot at this. So you're giving my man some wild. He's, you give me a wild advice. Part of me feels like maybe you're trying to set me up a little bit. I don't want to set you up. Maybe on the mat, I started taking a slumber.

I would say take it an hour before if I wanted to set you up. They would wheel you out there then. No, I want you just to be so lost and not in the moment. He's just like muscle memory, boom. I threw it. Did I throw the pitch already? Yeah, you did. Here's the replay.

Good to go. Fly home. So you're basically telling me drug yourself. Yes. Legally. This is role models. This is Sean William Scott out camping. and he takes a bunch of drugs with the girl

so they can sleep, they can have hallucinations. It is the Sean William Scott approach to first pitches, yes. Okay. I will. You can get this stuff at CVS. We're going to put that in the suggestion box. Could be a partner.

We're going to put it. Could be a partner of the show. This is all works out. If you're looking to sponsor, I will overdose your shit for the big moments. We are not brought to you by NyQuil. Yeah, we are not brought to. No free shout us to NyQuil.

No free shout us to NyQuil. That is an interesting take. Just get drowsy enough so it doesn't mean a whole lot to you. Yeah. Just whatever. If I make it fine, if I miss it fine, I'll be asleep in five minutes either way.

You know who's really fucked me up the most in this? Jeremy Klump. Yeah. He has, for the last two weeks, every day at one point told me how nervous he is for me. And I wasn't nervous until mid last week. And then after the 50th time of him being like, I just hope you have a good pitch and I'm worried about you.

Hopefully it's a good, and I'm like, I should be a little worried about this. I should be a little worried. Here's where I sit. Because it's getting closer. Yeah. It's here. Yeah.

It is here. Like I, like, you're probably watching this episode right now and I'm on a plane to Kansas City. Fandil's promoing it. $10,000 in bonus bets. Taylor does a pitchable or a catchable pitch. So where is your mind at? Where's your mind at?

At this point, I'm going to take these next 16 hours. I'm going to do the work I have to do sitting with you. We have another person coming on later. Knock out a couple of things for the show we have on Wednesday. And then I'm going to visual. Realize, meditate, get five to 10 throws in today. Five to 10 quality. I'm not looking to rip it.

I just want to feel the arm action. I want to feel my shoulders coming across the body. I want to feel the release point. And then Hayes in the barn. Yeah. Get ready. Watch a little film on the flight. Look over my notes, game plan, the whole entire thing.

Lean on Will tomorrow. I'm going to lean on my boy a little bit. He's the one that's going to be catching the pitch. And when time comes, I'm going to grip it and rip. people would go and take the easy way out. Floated. Floated over there. Hey, I did it.

No, I've got to throw it. I've got to do full wind up. I've got to do exactly what I did in St. Louis, but the ball's got to go down the middle. I respect it. I'm pulling for you. And if I fail. Yeah, it's a win for me either way.

So I'm pulling for you. I think it's throw your hands up. If I fail. No, no, no, no. Well, he kind of cut me off. If I fail, if I fail, back to the drawing board, we go back again. Do you just keep hitting?

up big league parks until you throw a strike? Listen. Yes. Big league parks hit us up. They were like, hey, we want this here, multiple teams. If I fail here, you bet your ass I'll be back again. Do you do a tour through the miners before you hit the big leagues again? That's been talked about.

Yeah, that's been talked about. If I miss this pitch, Savannah bananas will be my first call. Oh, okay. Sounds might be my second call. Sounds DM. Sounds like we're ready for your redemption in Nashville. Yeah. To be honest, I wanted a major league ballpark before I, you know, I would probably have to bend the knee and say, okay, I need to go down to the minors.

So if I fail this, I'll probably, hell, I'll probably go to Little League for a little bit. Start doing some coaches pitch for some kids for a little bit. Let them do their thing. Just step towards your target. Yeah. Just don't grip the ball too hard. Grip it and rip it, but don't grip it hard. Yeah. And just step toward your target. Right. You'll be fine. I'm with you. I'm with you. As we're talking about, I'm getting more nervous now. That was the purpose. I might need the NyQuil. I might need the NyQuil. You already know too. We're on that plane and we land. We get to the stadium.

It's going to be a different feeling. And the thing too is like we're doing a whole bunch. We're doing some fun days. We're doing BP. We're doing it like we're going to have a bunch of content to do. And it's like great fun. Yeah, I'm going to try to be present for that. However, you know in the back of your head.

Like when I was when I was playing football, it's like people would come in. They'd fly in. It's Nashville. Everybody wants to come and watch a game. So they come in. So every other weekend I have friends and family in town. And they're wanting to hang out. But you get to Thursday.

It's like, I'm not. here with you. I might physically be here, but mentally I'm thinking about this guy, his rush, what the defense does so the blitz comes so I can be more prepared for this guy standing inside instead of just talking to you about your work. Because to be honest, I don't care right now. You know, no disrespect. I don't give a shit how it works going, you know? Do you think that, so of course the normal person doesn't understand that, but just the concept of game day. You talked about Thursday. Just take game day. I've always thought if you could take a normal person, don't even have them go through reps during the week. Don't have them go through

film. Don't have them do anything. But just walk them into the environment on Saturday. Wake up at the hotel or Sunday. Get on the bus, police escort into stadium and then just be on the field during warm-ups. The sensory overload that is a big-time college or pro environment, just the hour pregame leading up and try and explain to that person, hey, you've got to go execute against professional football players after all this. To me, even just work in media, it takes a little while to get adjusted to how big the sensory overload is. You can sit in a studio and do it. You can be on a practice field and doing it. But like executing in an arena on Saturday, on Sunday, coaching or playing, just to be focused, like the level of focus you got to get to. And with a coach, they're not doing

physical, physical, physical, physical. There's just mental, mental, mental, mental. To stay locked in, I've always appreciated folks who can do that. It's a, the, I, to you, a regular person to do that, if you take it a step further and give them the entire week of preparation, we're like, here's your playbook, here's your tendencies, here's your keys to victory. And you're basically studying for a test all week long. And then you add the police escort waking up in the morning. It's quiet in the chow hall. Everyone's sitting there having their omelets. Some guys can't eat. Some guys can't. You get on the bus. Music's just playing. You hear different genres of music going on. Some guys like to sit quietly. Other guys are a little more loud. It's that nervous anxiousness.

then you get into the if you're on the first bus, you're there two hours before the game starts. You're rolling out, you're stretching. Everything's quiet. And then you go out. Fans, if it's an away game, they're yelling at you, screaming at you. Then you go to the pregame. Now the juices are really flowing because you have the full uniform on

and you're going through and you don't want to like over-exert yourself, but you want to put enough effort into where you're lubed up a little bit before you go in the locker room. The hardest part of every game is after warm-ups, going to the locker room before the national anthem. That's the hardest part of every single football game. because then you got guys with their notes I'm sure Will was like this where he had his notes

his defensive calls, tendencies, these types of things. Some guys want to put the trap music on and then go to the prayer in the shower right after that and they're yelling at hoot and hollering. You got a guy in the corner that's throwing up. There's so many different things. And then you walk back out after being a part of warmups with the stadiums,

25% full to now it's 100% full and it's like you're walking to a fucking gauntlet. And then the national anthem hits, your heart rate's at 180, haven't even taken a snap yet. And you're just thinking to yourself, let me get this first shot out of the way. And once you get that, it's like, all right,

we can get going. The hardest part of the game. We're here. Yeah, it's right here. And we get to, being able to sit and watch, so much more fun. Yeah. It is.

Yeah, so much more enjoyable. Just to observe. Yeah. Like, man, that boys really get his ass beat today. Being the guy that's getting his ass beat that day, not fun. Winning, playing the game, you cannot be playing a football game

and having that many people watch where you feel like you're the main attraction, nobody else in the world cares about whatever's going on, except for right here. But the pressure that comes with it can be overbearing, overbearing. So no, I don't think a regular person could handle that pressure week in and week out. Because then you go, games over. Well, if they were prepared for it, like when you say regular person, like if they had, it's like he was given the analogy,

like putting people in that environment with zero preparation, and then they got to go do it. I feel like you have the, you kind of have a fallback in your mind of you're not prepared or underprepared. Yeah. But when you're fully prepared for an entire week and the expectation is there and you're going over, are they going to get me here? Are they going to motion empty? Are they going to isolate me on third down and trips far gun?

Are they going to do all these things that you are prepared for? But you're trying to figure out schematically what are they going to do to you? I feel like understanding that expectation walking on the field as the national anthem is going on. and that fear, that fight or flight is in your mind on just executing. I think having an entire week of being fully prepared and walking out there would be a different feeling than having zero preparation at all and then going out there. You'd be scared, but you'd be able to fall back on, you know,

I didn't do anything to get this moment. I get to feel all of this moment, but I feel like that anxiety and that fear that kicks in being fully prepared is the difference of, with your analogy, on putting somebody in that environment. I think the getting, to the clearing of the mechanism headspace that you got to be in. And again, you could just as easily be talking about a quarterback as a play caller.

The level of, like if there's a scale of 1 to 10, maximum focus a human can have on a task at hand, getting to 10, getting there, and on kickoff being there, but then being there three and a half hours later, you've just been there. If you're good, if you're good at what you're craft at what you do, you're still there three and a half hours later, especially like if I'm watching quarter, back on Netflix. One of the things I appreciate the most is the prep is beyond insane. People would never understand it. You're going through living the life. You're going through being the face of a franchise, all that. All right. So then you get to game day. You go through what you just talked about. First quarter is over, second quarter is over, half times over, third quarter,

fourth quarter. Most NFL games are decided maybe in the last 10 minutes, last eight minutes, and to be that sharp and to be that zoned in at level 10, at level 11 with two minutes, 12 seconds to go. and it's third and eight, and you know these next two downs are going to determine the quality of life for the entire next week for your entire locker room, not just you,

and to still be that dialed in. I'm talking about maintaining that level of focus for three and a half or four hours at a time in that environment. That is what blows my mind that people can do it, but that's why most people can't do it.

Yeah. Also the preparation point, in 2020, there was all the COVID stuff going on. We had a game, we were supposed to play the Steelers. And then there's this big COVID outbreak of the Titans. So we do Zoom calls all week long.

Like, hey, we're playing the Steelers. We're going to start preparing for these guys. This is the game playing. This is what's going on. That game gets canceled. And they're like, hey, you're no longer playing the Steelers. This counts as your biweek. Now you're playing the bills.

Yeah, the buy week. Yeah, you guys are having a buy week. They put us in, like, Zoom calls. We go in one day for a walkthrough. And everyone is walking to that walkthrough with two thought processes. We're going to get our ass beat or we're going to beat ass. There's really no middle ground of what's going to happen because there's been so little preparation.

The bills just came up again. There was kind of a release too. There was a release. It's like, fuck it. Let's just. Yeah. And we end up beating the shit out of the bills. Brought to you by Zoom.

Brought to you by Zoom. So that's where I, when you brought up the bring them in cold and just let them enjoy, like let them go through a game day. That's not the pressure. The pressure is you, you're given these coaches, if they're good coaches, are giving you the answers to the test all week long. You've studied. it you've repped it countless times now you have to go and do it and because they told you this

this and you have to succeed you have to do these three things offense defense special team so nine total key points you do do those things you're going to succeed then you have the results of the game if you succeeded it's great we these are what we checked off is what we can do better if you lose it's like we gave you the answers the test you guys failed the test then and now people are going to rip us all week because you failed the test yes when you go into that game we play the bills it's like truly that's what are you walking in that game you're like yeah we're probably gonna get murdered today because no one's done a whole lot we got 15 guys on COVID we've been on zoom the whole time we did a jog through and that was the one thing we did in a 10 day span and all

the players are we're in our position groups just going to like a local park separately yeah the player it's just all player led like hey let's go coach wanted us to go over this stuff yeah has any good documentary been done yet on the COVID year needs to I have I have not seen one look at the score this game. 42 to 16. After that, we're basically, we're in the locker room. Ten, tits out.

Forward boys. Tits out forward the boys. And trying to talk Brable and then no more practices. No more practice. We told Brable in, we don't got to practice. We don't, we don't got to do this. Brave you said it anywhere, any place, any time. Yeah.

And we did it. Like, their proof is right there. Yeah. Against Josh Allen and the Buffalo bills. The hardest thing, the hardest thing is not, like, that week is really hard. The preparation is really hard. It's having a result.

good, bad, or indifferent how you played, how do you do next week? Yeah. That is, that's, that's the true scale of a, of a great football player. It's like, can you do it consistently 17 times and then having a bi-week? And then you're going to have an injury. You're going to be sore. How do you replicate a good game? How do you get rid of the bad games?

How do you take the coaching? How do you get ego out of the way? It's a, it's so much more in-depth than people think that it really is. Even that quarterback shows, because quarterback shows like they're doing practice. and then it's like a blip. It's a five-minute blip. And then they're out with their wives and they're going over the plays.

Like Jared Gough, his wife's reading the plays. It's like, yeah, he does that. Probably when those cameras turn off, he's like, okay, I'm out of here. All right. And he's upstairs. We're going to work now. Yeah.

And I'm gone all day long. Yeah. It's crazy. Enough about us, though. Yeah. Let's get into Josh Pate. Didn't play. How are you growing your brand,

your style on camera when you're also factoring in the play factor because a lot of people, a lot of haters, that'll be one of the first things they come at if you miss anywhere or get something wrong as they'll talk about, you know, they could talk about your reputation of being able to play. Yeah. Well, I mean, I would say former players miss all the time too. Like, who in the world? I would, I would take former coaches. I mean, no one knows the game better than a guy who played and then coached. You've seen the game from every angle. You've experienced it from every angle. Find me that guy who

is now making a living betting football. Because if it's really, if that's the shortcut, find me anyone who's sitting behind a desk. There are a million former players and former coaches who were in studios on Sunday and Saturday. They pick games, don't they? I mean, it's all public. Like, which one of them's knocking it out of the park 70 plus percent against the spread? So clearly, there's more to understanding or digesting the game than just having played it, but make no mistake. I'd love to have had a 15-year career playing for the Atlanta Falcons. I mean, that definitely gives you name and brand recognition, you have a deeper and more nuanced understanding of the game. There's no substitute for that. But when you walk in a stadium on Saturday, or when you fire this video up

and you look at the viewership of it, 99% of the people in the audience never played. So who are you stacking your show for? Are you stacking your show for former players? Or are you stacking your show for the millions upon millions of people who are going to watch or listen? The answer, to me at least, is I want to build the show for the audience that I want to consult. assuming the show, which means we're going to talk about the game, but the key is not, hey, did you play the game? The key is, do people care what you have to say? So like when I'll go and speak at colleges, they'll ask for advice. There was that symposium in Nashville last week. There were a lot of people here from college football, and some of them wanted to get into media.

And they were saying, what's your biggest piece of advice? And I always asked the same question, because someone asked this question to me. They said, why would anyone care what you have to say? and it was just like awkward silence when I got asked that question because it sounded like a trick question. It sounded like they were trying to dunk on me or something like that. They weren't. They were given the most honest, brutal piece of feedback ever. And that is, if no one cares what you have to say, it doesn't matter what you know. It doesn't matter where you played. It doesn't matter where you coach. It doesn't matter what your IQ is. Nothing. Doesn't matter how great your thumbnails and SEO is. If no one cares what you have to say, no one's going to watch you or listen to you. So how do you make people care what you have to say?

that's the most inexact science in our business. But I think the best cheat code is be your audience. Like, I grew up with my audience. I am of my audience. I go eat barbecue on Tuesday afternoon with my audience. I always have. Because like my social circle growing up, that's exactly who I tailored my show towards.

Because that is the mass college football public. I mean, that's a guy that's roofing down in LaGrange, Georgia, from 9 to 5 every day. That's a guy driving a cement truck in Topeka, Kansas. That's your audience? Your audience isn't former players. So when people do that, a lot of times it's more born out of insecurity.

Because like, no dude with a huge following who's a former player ever dunks on me for not being a former player. It's people I've never heard of before who were in defense mechanism mode. They're like in wounded animal mode because they haven't really found a path for themselves. And so it's like, what can I say about this dude? Let me think. Let me think. Oh, he didn't play. Like, cool.

How'd you find out about me other than I say it every week? How'd you find that out? So it doesn't really hamstring me all that much. I mean, you bring up a good point because, again, the people who would do it would be like players. Yeah. People who played the game. Like Greg Olson's not dunking on me because I didn't play.

Yeah. Like the guys who have made it as former players, they're not the ones throwing that at you. The ones throwing that at you are like Tiger Boy 036 at 2.30 in the morning with 36 followers. You didn't play. Why would I listen to you? I think that's one of Sherman's burners. Yeah.

I didn't ask you to listen to me actually. Going off of that, though, I think you said something really good there to where you're curating your content and your stuff, your own unique self to a former self of yours that was in these social circles. How have you curated your content and built out your content, knowing what your strengths are and trying to stay away from what your weaknesses might be? Well, listen, first off. So listen to people, like listen to what they want to talk about.

Don't be stupid enough to ever get on a grease board and start. talking X's nose because I've got no business doing that. And if we if we really find that the audience wants that, I'll go find someone to do it on our platform and then stay true to what it is you promise people. Like if you promise to be college football all year, present college football all year. Don't do it through January or February and then all of a sudden go 20% into politics or go 30% over towards some secret passion you have that your audience didn't sign up to listen to you talk about. The only difference with that is like I go storm chasing a lot in the spring. And we found that there is broad fascination with storm chasing.

Because I would drop nuggets about it on our show. And we would get thousands and thousands of requests. Hey, talk about that more in the spring. I'd rather listen to that than updates on Northwestern's offensive line. So that's the one exception where I've maybe deviated 20% off college football. And it's in the middle of spring when there's no games going on anyway. Otherwise, just stay true to what you promise. It's like really simple.

People screw it up all the time. And it's so simple to just define like, What's the overlap of your passion and your talent? For me, thankfully, it was talking about college football. And then just stay there. That's where your career is. That's how it never becomes a job. It's just a career because you're doing what you would do for free.

You happen to be doing it for a living. And fingers crossed, people like it. Okay, check. They do. Don't be stupid. Don't screw it up. Just keep delivering what it is they're telling you through their engagement of viewership and listenership that they want.

You talked about staying in your lane. It has obviously like we all have so much band with per week per day to be able to accomplish certain things with our shows or our ambitions, what we want to do. Have you ever been approached to in a sense that people want you to keep doing what you're doing, but at a higher scale, maybe going on some major networks or something like that where you had to evaluate and be like, okay, would this take away from my enjoyment from what I truly enjoy? Every year for the past three years, that's happened a lot. Nice. Give us an example. Well, this past, I mean, this past spring, it happened a lot. I mean, you know,

in our world you you don't work in terms of calendar years you work in terms of football seasons so it's kind of like a fiscal year which i never understood what that was because i was broke so i do understand it now a little bit more and my world the calendar is august through february and then you you negotiate all your stuff in spring so like this past spring i mean there were several networks hey would you be willing to do your show five days a week and take stupid for us to put it on our platforms or behind a paywall. And so, hey, man, money's great, but we already make enough of it. And I'm doing my show three days a week. And the tradeoff there is, like, we went 90 minutes last night, hardcore in-depth, like a ton of information

in that. Yeah. Like, I think that I could have gone four hours if I wanted to spread that out. Well, the only way we can do that is to do it every other day instead of every day. And the audience consumption rate says that's good because we get bulk majority of our engagement on replay traffic the next day anyway. So if we were trying to deliver that every night, we'd be delivering a wateredown version of that. We wouldn't really be ever giving 100% what we're capable. It would just be like 75%, but a lot more of it. And really, you would have just sold out for a paycheck anyway. And if I was in dire straits, like maybe a network comes along, I've got to think about doing that for two or three years to set myself up financially.

but if you're doing okay or better for yourself, I've said no every year to that stuff. Yeah. What are your personal non-negotiables like when you're thinking of, I'm doing just fine, doing what I'm doing? Well, I'll... To where you don't get that dangling carrot. I don't want to wear suits on air.

Fair. I don't want... Bad news about locker room this year. We're changing the wardrobe. Really? Yeah. Full suits. Is it a tear off at least?

It's every other week. It's actually T-shirts. T-shirt suits. I got in a big fight. about this with a local TV general manager one time. Because the way I started was like he called me cold. Never met him. He said, hey, I run a local news affiliate, like an NBC affiliate.

Do you want to do a late night college football show? Like no one's going to watch it, but you'll be on TV. You'll get reps. Hopefully you'll build something. And but the non-negotiable was, hey, man, if you're on my, if you're on my desk, you've got to wear a suit, which was fair. Like it's his platform. But I love the dude.

Like I still love him today. But we would argue back and forth because he was old school. He was from traditional news. And he's like, you cannot wear t-shirts on TV and be taken seriously. And I said, I can't report on a triple homicide. We're in a T-shirt and be taken seriously. I can talk about Alabama versus Georgia Saturday in a T-shirt. And I promise you, the audience we're trying to reach, we'll consume it just fine.

So, hey, I'm on his dime. So I'm going to do it his way. But as soon as we got to wear, we owned it and we controlled it, I said, I'm not putting a suit on again. Not doing it. Like unless I am working national championship coverage or something like that, Like when I was with CBS, I'd go up to New York and do their inside college football show. I respect them. That's their show.

I'll wear a suit. But on my stuff, I'm not wearing a suit. I don't want to have anybody touch creative control of the show. So I want to be executive producer of it and have full final say. I want to have personal relationships with the advertising partners instead of being told, hey, you're partnering with this brand because I want to present stuff that is authentic to the brand. So those are a few of the non-negotiables, I guess. And to not have to touch anything other than college football.

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Sorry, I just. Because I know we're gonna get to ball in a second, but I did hear a juicy story in our pre-production meeting about you getting into the space of sports media, where you went and you DM'd a company. It was a radio station. Yep. You went and got a job you're kind of doing,

you're doing a little bit of bitch work, you're kind of running stuff. Somebody gets hurt, car accident or something like that. And they're like, we gotta, we gotta thrust somebody into this and ends up being you that goes on the station and they're like, you were so great that they made you a mainstay on the show.

Is there truth and validity to that? Well, there's a lot of truth. So it was just the guy had a cold. Car wreck sounds better though. Yeah. So a guy got in a car wrecked. I was actually told broken leg as well. I don't know if he made it, honestly.

To this day, I didn't have NyQuil. It was a bad deal. Yeah. It was a bad deal. I understand. So I'm working, I had worked construction down at Columbus, Georgia. I was in a fabric warehouse at this time. And I was listening to talk

radio. Like I would listen to Colin Cowherd's show every day. He was at ESPN radio. He's fantastic. Oh, he would get me to lunch every day. Like, that's how I got myself to lunch. And then the afternoon, that was when like Rosillo and Scott Ben Pelt had a show. It was a really good stretch of radio. So I just listened to it all day every day. And I'm telling myself, that's what I want to do. That's what I want to do. That's what I want to do. I'm also telling myself, I've got no way in. I've got no way in. I've got no way in. But I remember Sabin had just gotten to Alabama. It was like the second year he was at Bama. He comes to Columbus. He does like a public speaking to her. A $45 entry fee. I can't afford it. I borrow money to get a ticket to go save and speak.

And he talked about process-oriented thinking. He talked a lot about how defining your goals, but then totally setting them aside and just focusing on the process, that's the key to success. And it's not like he was the first person I'd ever heard say that. He's the one who made it clit for me. So I'm sitting there in that warehouse and I'm thinking, you know, he had also talked about doing an inventory of your time. Are you investing time or are you just spending time. Look at your typical day. What period of the day is being spent? You're not getting anything back from that that you could repurpose. So I figured out I was driving in my truck like an hour and a half every day, two and from work, two and from class. So I decided the way I'm going to take back some of

my time is I'm going to mute the radio. I'm not going to listen to anything in the car and I'm just going to simulate sports talk radio. So I just talked to my steering wheel. Hours and hours and hours. I would just simulate like I would turn on the radio. Cowherd brings a segment in from break, mute it. I take over for him. And I have. had thousands upon thousands of hours over two or three years of doing that to where I begged that radio producer could you let me come in and observe finally he lets me come in because i'd never seen live production happen before so i sat in that studio like two months and one day car crash aka dude gets sick five minutes before air time he has no advance warning he says do you just want to hop on

air today it was the middle of college football season in the south it was an afternoon drive caller-based talk show. So I hopped on, just killed it. Great synergy, great chemistry. And the dude thought I had been doing it for a long time. After the show, he was like, where did you say you've worked before? And I said, well, I've actually never been on air before. However, I kind of do a version of this every day in my truck, like a psychopath. So he never took me off air. And then you fast forward two years. And that's when that news station GM hit me up. So then I go work local TV. And then I start getting towards the end of a contract. And like, I'm seeing YouTube come of age. I'm seeing Facebook live as a thing. I know where the industry is going. I see those Berlin walls coming down.

I know that if you got internet, unlike maybe five years prior, you could make it. Like, you can make a career for yourself. They wouldn't let me do it because I was on an employment deal at the news station and you can't be creating your own content. It's a breach of contract. So I let my contract run to the last day. And they sit me down. General manager right there, news director right there. and they said, do we, we've been calling your bluff. Like you've been saying you're going to let your contract run out. We just thought you were BSing us for more money, which we don't have. So I was at, I was at 275 per year.

And I was at 30 per year. And they said, what are you going to do? You were really going to leave? I said, yeah, I'm going to leave. They said, what are you going to do? I'm going to start a YouTube channel. And they just laughed, not even like a disrespectful laugh, just like, oh, you poor thing. Like you don't know what you're doing.

Don't screw your life up. They said, you can't monetize that. How are you going to make? money because no one was monetizing YouTube at the time. And I said, well, I think the industry is about to change pretty quickly. Like it's very obvious where viewership trends are going. Ad dollars will follow that. They didn't buy it. So I negotiated to stay with them as a 1099 independent contractor, making like fractions of what I was making and I was already making nothing. But the tradeoff I negotiated was give me the studio three nights a week to do my own show out of. And we agreed on that. So we launched the YouTube channel.

and we were doing a college football show. That's it right there. That's like a first version of it. Three nights a week, out of the news station. And it blew up and in two years CBS called. So we've been here ever since. No shit. Yeah, that is amazing.

That's an incredible story. It was a unique way to start doing it. Like, that microphone's clearly not plugged in. I'm clearly wearing a live mic. That's clearly just an aesthetic I bought off Amazon. Yeah. But yeah, that was a weird, weird way to do it. But it was the only way I could do it.

That's the only way I saw in. It's so interesting the way you bring up Nick Stevens conversation about the process. Yep. And a lot of people hear those conversations all the time about how you should handle your time, put your goals to aside. Like that conversation takes place a lot in a kid's childhood and as a young adult. I feel like something has to happen to you, whether it's borrowing $45 and realizing I have to borrow $45 to go hear this person talk for it to finally like resonate with somebody. And I think that's just, that's just awesome that people who listen to this show,

listen to other shows, they'll hear a bunch of nuggets all the time, but it takes a certain perception and you have to be going through something for it to really like set inside your body. Dude, something else happened to me. So when I was working in that fabric warehouse, this was all within a three month period. The whole Sabin comes to town thing. Like the same two or three month period, the guy who owned the fabric warehouse, name was David Rothschild, ultra wealthy family had made a fortune in textiles. Columbus is a textile like an old mill town. So he was dying of cancer. And he had always taken a liking to me. I'm working back in his warehouse. I don't see him that much except when he comes through there like once a day. But he'd always taken a liking to me.

He would always catch up with me. I had not finished college at that point. And he would like nicely, but very forcefully tell me you're screwing your life up. Like you've got, you've got ability. He saw way more in me than I saw in myself. And so he promised me like if you'll, I'm going to die. Like I am not going to see this through, but I will pay for your school if you'll get back in school. And like simultaneous to that, the director of the communication department at Columbus State University is just hammering me via email. She doesn't know, she's not related to me. She doesn't owe me that. But she's hitting me up saying, get back in school. Like, I'll get you back in school. We're going to have a radio and TV program over here. You could do all the reps that

you need over here. And so all that stuff happens over a three month period. And you realize, like, you've got to be a total and complete idiot, not to see that there is something slash someone trying to kick you in the right direction. And so that all like that's what it's over 10 years ago. Yeah. But that's all a confluence of events. And like I always heard people say right place, right time. I always questioned that. Like I changed my thinking because of all this. I changed my thinking to where being in the right place is where you want to be so that eventually the right time finds you. I changed my thinking because of like that. It's just like I changed my thinking on hearing save and say stuff like that. I used to hear it. And I thought those statements were

a diamond does and that's like fortune cookie logic right looks good on a bumper sticker but it's coach speak it's cliches it's just people go into motivational speaking seminars near the airport and someone fooled them into buying a ticket no man that stuff works it's just hardly anyone applies it yeah if you apply it it works for everybody that's the that's the beauty of it doesn't matter if you want to get in this or you want to go like start a new insurance company and make a fortune over there like if that's what you're called to do you can do it it's just not going to happen overnight and it's a good thing it doesn't happen overnight or everyone would do it yeah when when all this is happening around you what do you feel like when you look back on it what do you feel like you weren't seeing in yourself

um i feel like the thing i appreciate the most looking back on it because i journaled a lot through this period i never done that before but i knew what i'm going through now like i got a victim from my apartment it was not it was not a great time it's it turns out good but it's not a good time and i realized one way or the other, I'm going to want a record of this. So like I journaled a lot of it. And I look back on it now. And the one thing I kept saying is I got no clue how this is going to turn out. I got no clue how I'm going to make this bill the next month. I got no clue here, no clue there. But like I know what I'm doing is worthwhile. And so I know if I'm right about this, what I'm experiencing is going to be so valuable for so many people. That's why I don't hesitate and telling the story a whole lot. It's certainly not bragging. You don't brag about getting evicted or anything or being broke, but you brag that you know there are. There are kids who grow up dirt poor and they got like that caged animal syndrome their whole life. There are kids who grew up rich and it doesn't matter how many mistakes they make because they'll always be set for life. There is like an ocean of tweeners out there. I was one of them.

I was lower middle class. But like I was not worrying about where my next meal was going to come from as a kid. But I also wasn't set for life as a kid. And so you get out of high school and you don't know what you want to do. And then you're 20. Then you're 22. Then you're 24. You still really haven't made anything of yourself.

you know you've got potential, you know you got talent. We all do. But you're just like floating. You're just pissing away time. You're pissing away years of your life. And so like I didn't really even start having that click till I'm like 30 years old. And I realized if I make something to myself, imagine how this plays to an audience of 22-year-olds. Because I know forever there will be tweeners in life who are sitting out there and they just want something to light

of fire under them. Well, what better than someone who can say, yeah, I was right there. where you were. Like if you're broke, you've got no other option than to work or you're going to die. Like you're not going anywhere. If you're rich, eh, whatever. But if you're a tweener and that's like a huge population of the United States of America's youth at any given point, no one's really feeling sorry for you, but no one's handing you a whole lot either. That I told myself even at the time. That's who I want to speak to one day. If I ever make it, that's who I want to speak to. I love that. What was going through your mind when CBS was

starting to get on your your tail for, you know, launching, you had done your show on YouTube for two years, then you get picked up by CBS. What was the feeling like in your body, in your mind when those phone calls were starting to happen? It's a little bit of, so it's validation. I mean, it's validation, number one, that someone noticed. It's validation that they were going to pay me $70,000 a year because that's triple, maybe even quadruple what I was making at that point. I was making nothing at that point. Actually, YouTube has started to do okay, but still, like, there's a thing like when you play your first down in the NFL you made it as a pro football player they'll never be able to take it away from you it doesn't matter if you get cut the next day you played

in the NFL the first day someone pays you a company pays you to talk about sports on air is a very surreal moment even if they're just paying you five bucks it's a surreal moment because everybody in your life wants to do it like everyone dreams of of holding one of those like big network microphones and like you're actually getting paid you're on national TV so there was that piece but then also there's all right now it's time to go to work and it's time to shake the tree like we're going to find out really how how well the root system is taken because you can't screw up you're going to screw up but you're thinking this is a tightrope walk you've been walking a tightrope five feet off the ground you're going to be 500 feet off the ground now and a lot more people are going to see you and you're

going to be exposed in every way imaginable there's going to be a lot of unfamiliar technical jargon. There's going to be, you know, a lot thinner air. You're going to rub elbows with a lot of people you grew up watching as a kid and you better not have stars in your eyes. Like you better work with them and talk to them on their level. Or if you're really what you think you are, you better be able to walk in that setting and own the room. Like how do you walk in there? I grew up watching these guys and listening to these guys. But do you have the presence of mind to set that aside at the door and walk in there and own your craft so thoroughly that when you look at them, like you're getting respect back from them.

Because like as a man, you know when you do and don't have someone's respect. And so that's kind of some of the stuff I was thinking about. And then also thinking, I think I'm prepared for this, but I know there's so much I'm unprepared for. Let's go do it anyway. Then you start doing it. Then COVID happens two months later. Yeah, that whole year, that whole year, you're talking about it on your side.

Imagine on my side, I moved to Nashville. You remember the tornado came through. Oh, yeah. Hit our building. that's the first two months I'm here. COVID happens shortly thereafter. Like later that month is really when you start shutting down. And I always say this and it sounds so bad. So I have to like really carefully preface it. COVID was terrible for a lot of people. And a lot of people lost family members. Like it was a real serious deal. Professionally speaking, it was the biggest blessing I could ever have that

it happened when it happened. Because I came here and then things shut down. And Shannon Terry, who was running 24-7 sports, but that had been a lot of it. acquired by CBS. So like I'm working for him. I'm working out of his building. He said, I'm going to get you emergency access to this building. No one's going to be here for I don't know how long. No one's going to bother you. Just do what you think you need to do. And so we got like six months of doing the show our way on CBS's platforms with no corporate interference. And by the time people slowly started to come back. And by the time like the executive types started seeing it, it was already making money. It had already scaled. Yeah. So they never even had time to, I'm not

saying they would have, but they never had time or a reason to step in and try to change this or turn that knob or, you know, course correct at 20 degrees. It was already proven. By the time COVID had ended, it was already proven. So we were good to go at that point. Yeah. Yeah, there's got be a good feeling to be like, all right, I get to kind of just run with this thing. No one's expecting anything to work out anyway because we're in the middle of like COVID. And then by the time it gets there, it's like, yeah, there's nothing to critique. Because if you're in there with everybody else, there's a chance that executives are going to bring you into a room, but hey, maybe change this, maybe do that.

Now you're second guessing yourself, but it's your creative process. So you don't want that the whole get messed up. So there's all these things that could, different variables to mess you up in that process. Yeah. That's a massive win. Well, think about this.

So you're in the exact same seat that I'm about to talk about. What you're doing right now, you're creating jobs for untold hundreds to thousands of people down the road because companies watch what you're doing and you've massively scaled a product. You're doing it totally your way, like it's authentically yours, everything's yours. So you've got pop, you've got proof of performance.

There's no questioning whether this works. There will be companies, there will be private equity firms. There'll be huge money that gets redirected towards trying to duplicate what you're doing and giving people jobs and putting them behind microphones they otherwise wouldn't have been behind. Now, at that point, they either sink or swim on their own, but you created an opportunity for someone. I was thinking that, like I still think that today, but I was thinking that, okay, CBS has kind of made me the test. pilot program. Like big networks five years ago, they're not really in the business of going and finding some guy on YouTube and putting him in their chair. They're in the business of we're going to find

someone who's already proven or we're going to take former players, coaches, like it's a really tried and true formula. We've done this for 100 years. So I get my shot. I'm thinking, yeah, this is big for me, but they're like 100, 200, 500 other guys out there who may or may not ever get a life changing opportunity based on whether I make this work or not. And that was a really huge deal. Like, that's, that's part of legacy. That's part of something that extends well beyond yourself. And I, like, I think about that stuff every day. Co-Bers is an interesting time because I feel like the media changed in so many ways. You're bringing up the suits earlier. And like, I was with CA as my agents for football. And I went to L.A. I saw like their death star.

That's what they call it. And in the music department, nobody wears suits. Because at one point in like the 60s, or 80s, whenever it was, I was. a band came in that everyone wanted to rep. They came into CEA and they were like, you guys are all suits. We can't trust you guys, blah, blah, blah. You guys don't know the brand. You don't know the influence.

You're going to try to change us. The next day, they had a meeting, a company-wide meeting saying, no one wears suits in the music department anymore because we need these people to know that we're here for them. And then you go fast forward to 2020. You see Pat McAfee start taking off. You see these other podcasts start taking off.

You're taking off. It feels to me like the suits of the mainstream sports media is slowly going away and the Pat McAfee tank top kind of process is now taking over a little bit. So do you see that happening

with ESPN, CBS, and all these other major corporations in the future? 100%. McAfee's like Roger Bannister, basically. Roger Bannister, up until the point he ran

to sub four minute mile, lived in a world where people thought, oh, it's humanly impossible. Yeah. So up until McAfee gets put on ESPN, even when he was independent,

people would have told you, oh, you can't do that stuff on ESPN, though. Well, you always could. It's just someone had to do it. Because once Roger Bannister ran a sub four-minute mile, then a bunch of other people ran a sub-for-minute mile. It was like 70. It was like 70 the next year broke four minutes. Question becomes, did they all just become capable of doing it because Roger did it? Or were a bunch of people capable of it and just had to see it happen?

So similarly, like you've got to be an idiot to not have known that all the while sports fans who are consuming content, are sitting at home looking a whole lot more like that than they are wearing a suit. They probably don't look that good. That's a, that's a very nice phone. Maybe the guy back there holding the bone nick, Simon. But like, the point is, again, who are you stacking your show for? Right. For a long time, suits, if you want to call them that, just people at the executive level,

people with seven figure earnings and golden parachutes if they fail, they have formatted their content for themselves. In lieu of knowing, it doesn't matter what we present. They'll consume it because there are no other options. Well, bad news. forum when digital media came of age is well now there are options fully on-demand world that's the beauty of what you do it's the beauty of what i do the audience is in full control like you have never accidentally gotten a viewer every viewer has intentionally sought out your video sought out your social feeds sought out your podcast same with me if you're on network tv you may see me because you're in an

airport you may just see me because you're in a barbershop i happen to be on and so for a long time they didn't really have true feedback what they were doing was working because there was no competition in the marketplace. Now there's competition in the marketplace and magically you're willing to bend on things like on-air wardrobe. And, you know, people who don't watch sports may say, do you really think that's why Pat McAfee works because of what he wears? No, what he wears is authentic to himself. And that's why it works. The same as you, the same as me. It's just that 15 years ago, you weren't allowed to present it that way because someone who really didn't know the audience, but own the keys to the audience, controlled that.

And now they don't and you find out it really never mattered what you were on air to begin with. Yeah. Great reminder for everybody tuning in right now to subscribe to Bust with the boys as you are watching. Yeah. You don't have to exert energy. You know, I have to run a four in a mile. Just take your thumb. Hit that subscribe button.

Just hit the button. I love that you brought up the Roger Bannister analogy. I feel like I heard that from Tony Robbins like back in college. Got like a piece. Go take a piss, buddy. I'm enjoying it so much. I will say he had to pee last night on his show and he had about an hour left, but he was gonna fight through for the betterment of the audience.

Dude, I pushed. Just, I was just gonna put that out. Give me a water as well. Just to let you know I consumed your show. Yeah, you're down. That was before or after the Nebraska prediction? I feel like that was after. No, that was before.

It was before. I was, you know, not to flex, but I was in my weight room at that. Is now the time to get into football or should we kind of save that for the locker room? Because Pate's gonna be on every week during the football. But there'll be some things that we can,

some headlines we can talk about, but for everybody watching, our new show, the locker, with college football with this trio right here, this three-headed monster, we'll kick off Wednesday evening where we'll be going over all of our futures for the college football.

I feel like it's worth a clap. My water just got here. Hey, people didn't see this coming. No, they didn't. Haders are swinging at the air right now. They're scrambling. They did it again. They're scrambling.

They're scrambling right now. Is there, like, dude, I've enjoyed all of this conversation. And I fucking love your thought process. And I wanted to interrupt. to you, but I feel like everything you explained about what you were feeling to when you were getting up in the big leagues, the CBS, the M.A. Who I say I am. All of those feelings, all of those processes right there is what we are explaining is I feel like a similar experience that you're

explaining walking out into a college stadium or an NFL stadium without just the theatrics and the adrenaline dump. Aside from the adrenaline dump and everything else, that thought process of caring so fucking much about what you do and how hard you work at it and having so much perspective on how you got where you are and hey am i who i think i am i'm gonna there's some i don't knows and some question marks but i'm willing to jump and go after it with competition with everything else around that right there is a mentality that gives i feel like the anxieties of everything you do whether you walk out into a stadium or you're just elevating at your next job or going into your big league so without the stage and everything else i feel like that

is a very similar feeling that every competitor has when like walking out into the arena. That's the, that's the competition. Like that's, it's, it's not do I get more views than the other dude. That's how I think you define competition. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that, yeah, everything you were kind of walking through when you got that call, am I this? I'm going to be in. Am I going to own the room? I'm going to feel this way. Can I put my ego at the door? Because it's going to be lined up across from so and so or I'm going to be talking on the desk with so and so. I feel like all of it is the same mentality because you you care so much about your success or your version of success in your world. So I feel like that is that is the that is the bridging of the gap between

the normal person and them seeing somebody at some high level doing it. It's like no, yours can be there too, which is how much you're pouring into that process. And when that big break does come, just know that is the feeling that everybody feels of jumping into something they're very uncomfortable about. That's but when the big break happens, the awesome thing is when you get wired that way. The big break is when you're a kid, you envision it, whatever is going to come of your life. When the big things happen, there's confetti, there's parties, there's slaps on the back. And then when you actually wire yourself, the way you have to be wired to even get the break, you're wired in such a way where you celebrate for 10 minutes. Yes. And you just, next.

Yeah, because it's not like, unless you're selling a company and retiring, that's it. That's the difference. Once you get a, the big break, whether it's financially or you have a, you've, you've, I've achieved one snap in the NFL. I paid one step in the NFL. It's like you can celebrate that as a perfect example. You can celebrate for five seconds because then there's the second. Yeah. Yeah.

But like you get the job you wanted. You get the you get the, you get the someone's like, hey, you can do this now. You get more money or whatever it is. That's exciting. But then now the work actually has to come in to prove whoever gave you the opportunity right. And that's where it's like you really have no time. Yeah.

To go and sit there and be like, look how great I am. It's like you truly have to be on to the next thing. Then it's the whole when you reflect, when you look in the rear view of mirror and be like, okay, I was able to achieve all this. But then if you do that for too long, now you're losing what's in front of you. It's a very interesting game of balance that needs to take place because there always has to be gratitude. But if you're wired the way we are, it's like, okay, what is the next step towards the end goal,

which truly we don't know, which is actually dying. Like, you just eventually die and it's like, how do you do? That's why I also appreciate it. You get up there and he pulls up the scroll and he's like, let's take a look. Hey, not bad. Not bad. Could have done better here though. Yeah.

You know? That's why I also appreciated going over the parts where you've said no to a lot of people are said no to some things because I think another thing that successful people or achievers have a hard time doing of getting the goalpost to stop moving when you know what I am doing is enough. And I know, hey, not that you're relaxed. I'm just going to be doing this forever. But this doesn't necessarily tie to what I want to do with my audience or what I want to do

in the future. And you're able to say no to those people, which probably makes you, it does make you more valuable because I'm sure those numbers go up and they're trying to dangle a beer carrot. One day there'll probably be a carrot to where you can't say no too. It's a big ass carrot. Maybe it's the commissioner of college football. Yeah, or maybe you just grow the garden. Maybe you just grow the garden. Hey, yeah. Maybe we feed everybody. Hey, I don't like that. Hey, I saw. Maybe you just grow the garden. A, uh, I saw one. I want to say it was like a stoic meditation. It was like, he who chases two rabbits stays hungry, why not grow the carrots?

Sounds easy. Yeah, yeah, sounds easy. Yeah, sounds easy. Yeah, sounds easy. In theory, yeah, you know what? Let's just stop chasing around. Let's just grow the garden. You know they have like when you turn down opportunities though. There is almost like, who do you think you are? Yeah. Like the audacity.

Yeah. How could you say no to us? And it's like, well, I mean, do you understand the concept of alignment? Yeah. Did you understand the concept just like how that works? I mean, would you put this show on your network? No. Why not?

Well, because it doesn't fit our network. You just describe why I'm telling you know. Right. No hard feelings. Like, that's just why I'm telling you know. Yeah. But the person who wants to put. the square page in the round hole, dude, it's, it's very difficult when you don't have a whole lot.

And you're just constantly wanting success and you think more is better as opposed to quality over quantity. Yeah. So it's just, it's a game, man. It's a game of knowing who you are. And if somebody like you doesn't know who they are as much as they do, it's like, you probably fall under that trap more times than once. If you're listening right now.

Okay, if you're watching this right now. So that's, that's, subscribe. Absolutely. Subscribe. Subscribe. Okay. What are you doing here if you haven't? Yeah.

This is the simplest question. Ask yourself, who am I? this is like this is a mind bender for a lot of people because they will say they'll give you their name or they'll give you their skin color or their height and weight or their hometown that's not who you are that's the stuff on your driver's license who are you like dig the dagger into your chest cut yourself open who are you what are your talents what are your passions what are your likes and dislikes what do you cut out to do um like what is your purpose all that stuff if you ask me that at 23 i would have just stammered i know that someone

ask me this. That's, I didn't have the answer. It's the same dude who asked me, why would anyone care what you have to say? He asked me, who are you? I didn't know how to answer that. Why would anyone care what you have to say? I didn't know how to answer that, which just meant I wasn't ready yet, which just meant you got years that you still have to put in. Didn't want to hear that at the time. I didn't accept it at the time, but it was a reality at the time. So it doesn't matter if you want to get in media or you want to build a trucking company. Like, who are you? How are you about to go anywhere? How are you about to build anything before you even lay the foundation? That stuff, it messed me up.

The guy asked me that. Those two questions, it messed me up so much. And now, like, years later, I ask that to everybody. When I speak at colleges and stuff, I ask that to everybody. Quick break from the episode, because we are brought to you by neutral vodka seltzer. Have you tried neutral? If not, you are missing out.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. On the topic of who people are, who are the Nebraska Cornhusers going to be this year. So I feel like we're close enough to the season where a lot of people are going to start getting on the whole, ooh, I just did my research. It looks like Matt Ruling year three is a big deal. Well, we've been saying that for a long time.

Will I've been saying that since the minute he was hired. So year three is the year. I don't think that those people know that even Holgerson is the offensive coordinator. Right. I don't think most people know that. I don't think most people understand. Davey knows. Just so I've got Dylan here.

I've got Dana Holgerson here and I just feel like that's about to happen this year. And even though they lost Tony to Florida State, which is a move I still questioned, by the way. Even though they lost him to Florida State, I feel like the defensive personnel will be good enough that the scaling of offensive production combined with what I think is the most workable

Big Ten schedule in the entire conference. There's such a path to 10 and 2 and I think 10 and 2 gets them in. The question is, the question is. Oh, God. The question is, Who's ready, not to follow that prediction, but like, is anyone ready to top that prediction? That's what I came here to find out this morning slash early afternoon.

Hey, timeout now. Just for a little context on Josh Pate's starting the bar at 10 and 2. You were at 8 wins not too long ago. No, it was 9 and 3. No, no, it wasn't. Yes, it was. Here's what happened. It happened a little over a month ago.

And nothing in July matters. 9 and 3. Yeah, July's vacation month. Vacation. what happens in July. August is rubber to the road. Yeah. Fart in the wind. Yeah. Influences from around the neighborhood have pushed me to 10 wins. I think it was 9 and 3 losses coming from Ohio State, USC, and Michigan. Nebraska, I am ready to predict. I am ready to back with my own money. Yep. That Nebraska will be better than 6 and 6 this year.

Yeah. Could be 7 wins, could be 12 wins. Yeah. As it turns out, it's 10. It's 10. It's 10. 10 wins. Look, if you don't believe in Nebraska. Better than, hey, because he was trying to, he shot me that clip being like, they never noticed when you toss love out, shame. I said, better than six and six is loved you, Josh. He said, that could mean 12 and no. I said it could also mean 7 and 5.

Which is a floor for Nebraska this year. Yeah, you think so? I think that is a, if you're a logical fan, you sit at, if you end the season at 7 and 5, you think we've gotten better. We've gotten better. How is it 7 and 5 look? I think that determines a lot of things. You can't be like getting blown out.

out five times but having small wins. But if you go seven and five after not making a bowl game since 2015 until 2024, you need to be proud of what your program is putting out there. Do we agree with that? No. No, no, nobody really does. But hang on, before we go any farther, do you have Nebraska pegged at seven and five this year?

I, that's a tough question. Let me have this conversation and then I'll give you my answer. Because he's also trying to speak for logical Nebraska fans, which he knows absolutely nothing about it. I am trying to speak for logical fandom. Right, people, casuals who don't really follow in Nebraska ball. So the under-hits. If you're just on the outside looking in.

I think the far more you look in in Nebraska football, the more you'd be like, yeah, they should be proud of seven and five. And to follow up on your 10 and two now, where you were, I replied to you and said, eight plus are my foxhole guys. Those are the guys buying stock. Those are the guys that understand what's going on in the kitchen in Nebraska football? Are they really see 10-plus win-level optimism battling for a college football? what playoff spot? No, very few are. Very few have that kind of courage. But the ones seeing the field with eight plus are the ones I'm ready to go to war with. You said, I can do eight. By August, I could see myself flirting with the nines. Now we're at 10 and you're saying, is anybody crazy

enough to top 10? I'm not saying, is anyone crazy enough? I'm asking, does anyone believe in Nebraska more than me? Is there sharing the bus with them? You're sharing a college football show with them. 11? I can see us going 11 and 1, yes. Okay. You want me to go over to the schedule? I'd love this, because it's all on record.

So yes, I would love this. This is my Christmas present to myself in December. So I have us at 10 and 2, but I believe easily that we can go 11 and 1. Okay. At least before we'll starts. I have to deal with this. four times a year.

Starting middle of January. It's probably the first time this happens. Then it'll be like April, then June, July, and then right before the season. Go ahead. I don't feel like I shove Nebraska football down your throat like I could.

Cool, calm collected, because I know what's brewing. But I digress. Nebraska, Cincinnati, that's one where we set the tone for the season. That's one of no. Akron, 2-0, H-C-U, School of the Blind.

HCU's what? Was that Houston Christian University? Never heard of her. All right, so that's three and up. That's three and up. Michigan, I got us taking down Michigan. To me, that's the game where it's like, who the fuck are we going to be this shit?

No, I agree with you now. And I think in Lincoln, Nebraska, Nebraska beats Michigan. Michigan State, I think we win. And here's where I have our first loss, either at Maryland or at Minnesota. Not because they are better than us. We are the more superior team. I think when you start to get, can you scroll, what is that,

six and O before Maryland? That's six and O. We're in uncharted territories where you don't know how we're going to handle this success because the moment we beat the Wolverines, we're going to be catapulted up. You're going to be on your show talking about the power rankings. How we're going to be like a top 10 school item? You got a buy week though. You're talking about before.

No, after you beat Michigan thoroughly, you got a buy week. You're going through this world of rule aid and Kool-Aid to where, how are the boys going to handle this? And this could be a challenging clip because I know when we are 6 and O and we're going to go out to Maryland or the Fleck Bank in Minnesota. Everybody knows how weird that gets out there. But he runs a solid program. I could see us dropping one because we've gotten too big for our britches, which gives it, which honestly is great timing. Because then you beat the piss out of Northwestern and those nerds.

And then you host USC in Nebraska. And USC is a good team this year. And I think we need all the fucking piss and vinegar we need. I would rather have us sitting at that. what is that 7 and 1 8 1 with USC coming in with that little ego check November.

Then being absolutely undefeated up until USC comes in because I think USC is going to be a tough team and we would have whoop their ass if the ref would have thrown a flag last year on that passenger appearance call late in the game. We beat USC. We handle UCLA because they fucking beat us

last year at our home spot and they should not have beat us. And I think we're going to get a bad taste out of our mouth to UCLA. We're going to be motivated. Then you go in. That's going to be, look, if we're undefeated at Penn State,

or one lost team at Penn State. We're talking all of it. Big noon kickoff college game date. What's your fall tour called? The Fall Don't Lie Tour. The Fall Don't Lie Tour. What's going to be ours? The Boys of the Fall Tour is going to be there.

Everyone's going to be. Well, we're not going to three Nebraska. Nebraska at Penn State. Whiteout. For probably a whiteout. One v. 2. 1 v.2. We dropped that one against Penn State.

That's where I'll take my realism. You know where I'm right. I got us 12 and 0 personally. But if I'm going to have some realism in this take, we drop against Penn State. That's where I see us being a two-lost team. Then we handle and beat the absolute shit out of fucking the Iowa Hawkeyes because we need it. You want to know the last time? You know the last time they won or we won at home against Iowa?

2011 when Willie C. was operating. Iowa comes in Nebraska. We closed that one out at home. And we go 10 and 2 on the outside looking in because I think it's going to be. Penn State, Oregon in the Big Ten championship. And we're going to be positioned beautifully for the college football playoff. That's my season of Nebraska. Where's Klump? Are you right there?

All right. So have you seen the movie tremors before? Oh, great movie. Great movie. Yeah. So you just stand on some shit. You just the lead role in it. So you just played the worm.

That's basically what you played. What I wanted to do, and I told Klump this, what I wanted to do is plant my flag early today. I came in with strategy. And what I wanted to do is at the end of that movie when they throw the dynamite stick behind the worm to piss it off and get it to go hard at the edge of the cliff and then he just tunnels, tunnels, tunnels through the edge of the cliff and it flies down to the bottom, it splatters all over the place. I either want you to be a legend to end all legends and this to happen or I am playing this on loop in December because no one will remember my busted 10 and 2 prediction once you've just done this for the past five minutes. But I'm with you. I agree with you with the Penn State Oregon. I agree with you that Nebraska is positioned well.

I just, I didn't like sweat like a Baptist preacher and yell emphatically when I said it. So like I've got no lose situation here, I feel like. Either they come through, which we're all happy. Almost all of us are happy. Or they don't. And then you're the face of it. I can live in that world.

Yeah. I've been in that world. But I'll tell you this. I've never been more confident than I, him this show. I think they can do it. They can do it. He's right. Thank you, JP. J.B. knows what I'm talking about. Beautifully said.

How do you feel about that? I like 10 to 2. That's what I have them going. 10 and 2 college football playoff team. Where do you see the drops? Where do you see the losses on that schedule? One of Ohio. So, no, one of USC, Penn State and then another random, like you said. I didn't know what you said. That's 9 and 3. No, no, no, no.

One of USC or Penn State. Okay. Yeah. What a random be? No, no. So we jump against USC, you guys going into Penn State. One of Michigan. There's no skill in this.

Ten and two. That's what they're doing. They're going ten and two. There is some skill in this. Well, you think they beat Michigan. I'd pick them to beat Michigan right now. Why? I think they're going to be a better football team than Michigan.

Why? I like, I don't. This is just stalling for time. Honestly, September 21st, when things go my way, I'm going to have a hell of a time on the show with you guys. So I feel like if the game were in November, I got almost a full year of Bryce Underwood. I'd feel a little bit better than, but he will have already gone into Oklahoma.

So it's not like going on the road is going to be foreign to him. Yeah. I don't know. I just like the way the game profile is better for him. I should have brought my laptop in here. You don't like Week Martindale? Yeah, I like him. Yeah.

How could you not? Fantastic. I've watched what he's done. Yeah. You're going to put Rayel in a blender, aren't you? Taylor doesn't like how much he blitzes. 1913 kind of game? I didn't like how much he blitz in the beginning of the year last year.

I thought it was a little too chaotic, a little too crazy. He listens to the show. I think he got a whole lot better, a whole lot more tactical with the way he handled his exotic blitzes. He does a great job of hiding the shell. He does a great job of not letting you know where it's coming from, but he really fine-tuned it going in the back half of the year. Obviously, we had the forward pass turned off last year.

So it's very hard to evaluate where Michigan is. I know we ended with beating Ohio State and beating Alabama. So that's a pretty good ending for a team that couldn't throw the ball at all. I think we had 110 yards throwing in both of those games combined. It's incredible. We go there in the spring. A lot of conversation obviously revolving on Bryce under what everyone really likes him. We got to see him play.

I thought he was really impressive other than the one interception he had a Nico. But a lot of guys are talking about the defense, how they're actually going to be better, even though they've lost the two guys in the middle. I've heard that. I got to see it. Yeah. I mean, they played more than half the year without Will Johnson, the number one corner. They had a kind of a revolving door.

they lost their safety to an ACL. He'll be back. They have a lot of talent. Michigan, when I think I've done it as a really good job of, is developing players, taking three stars, turning them into that five star. I think they've done a better job than probably any other team that I can think of right now.

So when I think about that, if that defense is better, if that defense is better, and Bryce Underwood is 75% of what people believe he can be, then I think absolutely they've stopped Nebraska. it's a double-digit. That's double-digit. Okay.

Yeah. I think it's 10 plus. I just think you don't face a ton of offenses that can beat you in multiple ways up there. And Nebraska, if I'm right about it, if I'm wrong about a moot point, if I'm right about them, they'll be one of those teams. But so will Oklahoma. So you will have already faced a team if I'm right about those teams that are layered enough to beat you in several different ways. Like you don't have one answer for them, in other words? We'll all have a much better understanding of Michigan after we two.

After Oklahoma. After Oklahoma, it's like, do they win? Do they lose? I don't know. but how does the game, how does the game look? How does all 60 minutes of that game come together? How does Bryce Underwood handle adversity if it's sacked a couple of times?

Because that's the biggest question mark. Rayola, I love a Will sitting because he's got a guy that you can see getting better and better. I think it's a little disrespectful that I think the top 10 quarterbacks of college football came out and Rayola wasn't in it. I think he's a guy that could be sitting in that nine or 10 spot right now. But with Bryce, it's like potential.

Potential we talked about in the intro of the show, haven't done shit yet. So I really need to see what he does before I start planning a massive flag on the ground. I think you're never counted out when you're playing when you're with Michigan. Never count out, especially seeing what they did last year with literally the inability to throw the forward pass. Because our offensive line is going to be a lot better this year. They got two running backs that can shove it down your throat.

Yeah, why are receivers that are willing to block? And then he had a defense who's hungry and swarms for the ball. Has exotic blitzes that a lot of quarterbacks that don't necessarily know how to pick apart defense defenses is in college, they're going to be thrown a certain way. They're not going to really know what to do with certain zeros, with the nickel coming when you don't see him coming, flipping the protection, those types of things. Gritty wins. Again, biggest game of the season. I've got, I've really been talked into the like external dynamics on this thing, feeling like a playoff game. Nebraska Michigan. I'm emotionally invested in it now. I didn't walk into

the season emotionally invested in it, but now I'm kind of emotionally. invested in it. It's not just another game for me. I thought it'd be one of your your hinge games that you were going over. Yeah, probably I started to fit fast forward. It probably should have made that list. When's he going to start a damn fast for me. What are you doing? It was either going to be Nebraska, Michigan or Michigan, Oklahoma, because I know you're big on Oklahoma this year too. Yeah. Yeah, why is that? Because I heard in earlier in the year, everyone's like, Oklahoma's going to have a really down year. They never seemed to really get over the hump. This quarterback's supposed to be really good, but we don't know if Oklahoma is actually going to be anything of substance. Yeah.

Now we're getting closer to the season. And now, know if it's like a draft stock thing where a guy is a tweet like late first round early second then all of a sudden he hey this guy could possibly be a top 10 pick and then still ends up going late first round early second like what is Oklahoma to you why is it all of a sudden why is their stock rising so much because they were never a fatally flawed team they were a team with multiple top 10 classes stacked on top of each other they portal consistently in the top 10 like last year their fatal flaw was they horrifically failed at hiring at the OC position and it was oil and water And Jackson Arnold in that offense was dead on arrival.

It's terrible. So it's the season thrown away. And so what people didn't even pay attention to is this isn't a terrible team, not the terrible roster. It's a pretty good to high level roster with fatal flaw on it that makes all the rest of it irrelevant. So then they addressed the fatal flaw part one. They brought in OC and quarterback from the same place. Utah did the same thing, by the way. People aren't paying attention to that.

So Mateer comes in with his OC. The second thing they did was they attacked the portal to one area. they needed to attack the portal, which was wide receiver. So they get a kid named Dionne Burke's back, who should have been a star last year, transfer from Purdue, but he was hurt. So he's back this year, dog. Then the rest of the wide receiver room, I think not only is filled out, but it's really complimentary. It's not like five of the same dudes.

So do one question I have about them that I'll be watching early in the season, specifically when they get tested against Michigan is, are they as improved on the offensive line as they think? Because that was a real liability for them. They had like 10 different starting rotations last year in the first 10 weeks. if that's in place, I've actually got very little doubt about Mateer. I don't question him. Like I think he could contend for a Heisman trophy. So I think he's going to play at that high level.

Defense conservatively top 15 unit could be better than that. I just think people who are shot when Oklahoma is good this year didn't really watch Oklahoma last year. They know the quarterback sucked or the quarterback offensive coordinator combo suck and the rest of it, they just kind of tuned out. They watched it from 50,000 feet. I watched him against South Carolina. Yeah, that was bad day.

That was a bad day. Belt to ass. That was the week after Carolina goes into Tuscaloosa and loses. I know. They should have won that game too. We were in Oregon. Yeah. They go in there and lose and Beamer after the press conference, he said, you know what?

This is enough. It's just enough. And they go out to Oklahoma in the next week. I think it was three pick sixes. They had 21. They had 21 on the board and not an offensive point to speak of. Just crazy. Yeah.

You brought up a team and it is in your favorite conference at Bay 12, Utah. Not a lot of people talking about Utah. You think ASU takes, well, I don't want to get into. futures, because we'll talk about futures on the show. I'll say right now I like ASU, but talk to me about Utah. Well, Utah, everyone watched Whittingham win double-digit games forever. And then he had a down year last year. And people just, I don't know, I said this on our show last night. I feel like people have made an effort to forget about Utah after one down year. It's the big 12. There's not a lot of difference in 10 and 2 and 5 and 7. It's like a bunch

of one possession games, bounce a ball goes against you, injury for them went against them last So everyone's talking about Oklahoma going and getting a quarterback OC combo from the same school. They did that. They went and got a kid named Devon Dampier out of New Mexico and brought him Beck, his offensive coordinator. So they basically imported an offense and you don't have a quarterback learning on the fly. Elsewhere, it's still Utah. Like the roster is still Utah. They're going to, I mean, they could take a stone and squeeze it and they get drops of water out of it.

So they get every possible ounce of potential out of a roster. They always have. So either I'm supposed to believe which. Hittingham's entire career, or I'm supposed to believe last year's the new Utah. And I don't believe last year is the new Utah, because it's not like NIL and the portal has sunk its teeth into the Big 12. In the SEC and the Big 10, they're fundamentally different conferences because of it. The Big 12, no one, outside of Texas Tech, no one's spending a ton of money. Like, no one's got huge roster turn. No one's got huge staff turnover. So the conference pretty much is what it was. Texas

tech's the one exception. And I think there'll be a contender this year. But you look at, if you got a Fandule right now, and you look at the odds to win the Big 12, they don't look like any other conference. Every other conference has got a couple pretty high-level favorites, then there's some drop-off tier two, drop-off tier three. Kansas State, Utah, Texas Tech, Arizona State, Baylor, TCU, they have pretty much identical odds. You would have to go to the Show Me More function before you ever got down to someone who's plus 1,500 odds or lower. So that's the Big 12. Even Fandul's saying, yeah, we're just threw these numbers out there, like, go ahead, take your pick. If you think you know this conference better than we do.

Look, you go one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. They're eight teams deep before you get to plus 1500 odds. And that plus 1500 is Kansas, who with the healthy Jalen Daniels could win the conference this year. They don't play their games in Arrowhead this year, by the way. They love the Big 12th. Yeah, they actually have a home campus stadium again this year. Yeah. All right, Shirm.

You know Sherm was fired up about the Big 12 talk. You brought up the NIL. ever since NIL took an NIL took over you see a massive jump in the big 10 in national championships is that proof that the SEC was paying their players before NIL no the proof of the SEC paying players is that the SEC was paying their players like it didn't need to be people look at this as like a one track sort of scenario like yeah NIL came along here's what else happened Nick Sabin retired from Alabama like Sabin retiring in any era was going to fundamentally impact the death grip that the SEC had on college football, because it wasn't the SEC that had a death grip. It was Alabama that had a death grip on college football led by Nick Saban. Ten, we did our SEC preview on our show last night. And for all the talk about the depth and competitive balance, 10 of the last 11 SEC championships were either won by Bama or Georgia. There's one exception. That's Burrow and LSU in 2019. Okay. So he retires. I'm not, you, you could come back at me and say, but what if I told you he retired because of the way NIL was impacting the sport? You could have some validity there. I don't doubt that. But the point remains, if the NIL thing never changed and Saban retired, that would have fundamentally changed the SEC.

It would have fundamentally changed college football. It just so happens that a lot of that stuff overlap. Like also somebody would come at me and say, hey, man, the expanded playoff, that's what's changed everything. Like, no, it hasn't. Nick Sabin retiring was a bombshell. It was like an asteroid into the ocean of college football. So you either, you really do believe the guy was the greatest of all time.

and acknowledge what I'm saying has to be true, or you think he was a fraud. Because you can't think he was the greatest of all time, but not acknowledge his retirement had to be a huge, like, monumental change to the sport. Wasn't he public about NIL's one of the bigger reasons of why he retired them? Yeah, no, I don't, like,

I've listened to him, talk about it on and off the record. It was absolutely a reason he retired. But I would follow up with this. Let's say he chose to stay at Alabama. Does anyone really think Alabama was going to fall off a cliff? Like, they were still going to compete. They weren't going to have three deep of future first round in NFL talent. No one does.

Kirby doesn't. No one does. But that dude always found a way. COVID came around. Dude just pivoted on a dime. They dominated that year. That dude ran three different, totally unique versions of offense in his time at Alabama. Like they won with Tua.

They won with Derek Henry. They won with John Parker Wilson and Greg McElroy at quarterback. They won with Bryce Young at quarterback. They won with 260-pound middle linebackers. one with Rashan Evans at Mike. They did all kinds of different things. So at every turn of his career, he adjusted. He would have adjusted to this. It's just he looked at it and said, I'm not sure that's the version of the game I want to coach anymore. Also, I'm in my 70s. And I can go work at ESPN and get a raise to talk about football instead of just coaching it anymore. Yeah.

Great points. It's a good point about the SEC, but like Alabama having a chokehold on the as you see if Alabama is no longer there does Georgia and LSU and all these other top tier SEC schools are do they go and win the national championship you're talking about if they had this is it this is it if like right we're taking Alabama off the face yeah yeah yeah or just making them another pretty good program yeah yeah I don't know I really don't know I think about I mean I go back and think about like the mark rick Georgia teams the less miles LSU teams. Those teams, those guys' legacies were fundamentally changed because of Nick Saban.

If Saban's not at the SEC, first off, Urban probably stays at Florida longer than he did, and he may rattle off three or four titles. But Mark Rick probably wins one at Georgia. Les Miles, if not for Alabama, he's got the best team in the league most years in those early 20-teens sort of period. So I think back about a number of guys and how, I mean, you can't prove it. You can't prove a counterfactual. But you never know, like, whose career would have taken off.

Because then Kirby's, if Sabin doesn't take off at Alabama, what's Kirby smart? Yeah. Don't know. Yeah. You feel like Alabama, the way, remind me the head coach, Utah again. Kyle Whittingham. You feel like DeBoer is in a similar situation. It's like the feeling around Bama is Alabama has a down year.

And all we've done is watch DeBore double-digit wins throughout his entire career. To a certain extent, yes. I think the difference with that is. is there's a huge portion of the public that actively wants Alabama to lose. I don't think there's a large portion of the public that hates Utah. They just don't really, they're indifferent.

So they've chosen. Like, I think it's a lot easier to root for Kenny Dillingham. Like, Kenny's an awesome dude. Right. It's really fun to say, like, I love what they got going on in Arizona State. Or, like, I love Iowa State. I love the colors.

The mascots are tornado. They check all the boxes for me. Texas Tech, just spent a ton in NIL. So it's a lot more flashy to root for them. Utah's, really meat and potatoes, which doesn't really sell. It's not all that sexy. So I think that people have forgotten about maybe them just because Utah was never at the forefront of their mind. Utah had to elbow their way into your line of sight every year. No one ever focuses on Utah.

They make you focus on them. At Alabama, I mean, there are a hundred different reasons why people want to board to fail, unless you're a Bama fan. Most of America wants him to fail. They want Bama to fail. Think about at any given point, like you said, when Sabin's at Alabama, your one ray of hope in the SEC is this dude's a little bit older so he's going to retire eventually. And you always told yourself Bammo was bad before he got there. So it hasn't been a Bama thing. It's been a Sabin thing. And once he leaves, Bama will revert back. Plus there's going to be a whole generation of entitled fans who don't know reality.

They don't know what losing's like. They'll be paranoid. They'll run the next coach out of town. The biggest nightmare. The biggest nightmare. Yeah. For any non-SCC fan or non-Bama fan, if we clip this later here, I'll just do this cleanly.

The biggest nightmare for any non-Bama fan has been Saban-era ends, you breathe a sigh of relief, and somehow they find a replacement that meets that standard again. Because it's not supposed to be possible. Right. So if he comes in there and wins

and DeBore's what in like his early 50s or something like that, then what do you do? You got 20 more years of hell. I was down there over the weekend. I went and watched some scrimmage. That's one of the more physical scrimmages I've ever seen.

They're built different. Dude, they got after it. They got after it. It was more physical than a lot of the games you go to in the fall. Yeah. Which brings you back to Michigan. Yeah. You can beat them two times in a row.

Physical ball club. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not like an Alabama hater. Wait, have you? I feel like Alabama hasn't been like people talk about Georgia. Like I feel like they're not in the conversation. As much?

As much. And they went nine and three last year. And I feel like just. understanding, you know, what happens when you're just absolutely superior and a coach has a, you know, not up to expectation year, then it's like if they had another nine and three year, God forbid eight for eight and four, it's like, are they going to be calling for divorce? No, they would. Right.

They would. There's no doubt about that. It's, you can think whatever you want to about it. But you don't get to take over that job at the level it was handed off to him and have two down years. The thing about replacing a legend, I sat in his life. office and talked to him about this for like two hours in the spring. He's absolutely wired the way you have to be wired to work at Alabama post-saving because he doesn't care about the whole no one wants to take over after a legend. What he cared about is, is everything operational at the level it

needs to be. Because if it is, like, he would never say this, but here's how he thinks, because a one-percenter thinks this way. They know saving was great, but a one-percenter looks in the mirror every morning and says, I'm pretty good too. Like, I think I'm really good too. I think I may be the best in the game too. And if I'm being given what I need to win, I'm going to win. I don't care who was the boss here before I was. The trade-off on that, the reason that's really so hard to replace a legend is because it's hard to win at a high-level period, but especially like if you look at the legends in college football, very few of them retired at their apex. Most of them hung around several years too long. So you were taking over a program that was trending downwards, but the expectations were still sky-high. And no one had time for a rebuild. No one wanted to listen to you say, I just took over for a legend, but we got to start from scratch. Well, DeBoer walked in, I mean, Saban had just gone to the playoffs and overtime against Michigan.

Like, that's when he said, all right, I'm out. So they got a loaded roster. They've, I mean, administratively, like they're about as good as anyone, got one of the best ADs in the country. So like, organizationally, everything's where you need it. He hands them a world class recruiting and personnel department. They kept a lot of those people. A lot of those, a lot of the Sabin people are still there. He infused some of his folks, but he wasn't ignorant.

enough to say, I think I'm just going to bring Washington down to Tuscalo. Like, he kept a fair amount of mixture of the two. But you go into year two and all that sounds good. Yeah, you got to win. You go eight and four again. There's no defending that. You play a tough schedule, but yet I watched them Saturday. There aren't many rosters that look like that.

There aren't many coaching staffs that are built like that. So 12 Saturdays in the fall. That's when you get judged. It's totally fair. Get you so juiced up for it here. It does. Quick break from the episode. A question for you.

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Think about their defense, they lose. I'm having trouble. I'm having trouble. Yeah. I mean, they're obviously going to reload completely at the wide receiver position there. receiver you essentially quarterback unproven

Ryan Day yippy what is that me what is that me what is that you know the yips oh yeah okay yeah

I thought you were doing some weird celebration for him no yippee no yips versus Michigan like talk to me

how are we feeling about Columbus all right it's ironic they open against Texas because the two teams that I'm having

trouble with or Texas and Ohio State only because them replacing production is not like a normal team replacing production. Because when you go watch and practice, like when I go watch teams practice, I will stand with a player personnel guy who knows the roster entirely. And all I'll do is say, who is that, who is that, who is that?

Give me his story. Give me his story. And I'll ask about twos. I don't ask about the starters. You know the starters. I'll ask about twos and threes. And at Texas and Ohio State, it's constantly, yeah, that dude to start everywhere else. That guy will be a future first rounder for us. And they're running with the twos and the three. So like, okay, you put that in the back of your mind. And then you know once they send 13, 14, 15 to the draft, the two's become the ones, the three's become the twos, yada, yada, yada. You don't know their names, but not every new starter is created equal in this sport. Texas and Ohio State have aliens on their bench. It doesn't mean anything.

It doesn't guarantee that they're going to produce, but you just like there's a benefit of the doubt you bake in. And I've done it with them. I did it with Sabin at Bam. I do it with Kirby. I do it with Sark. I do it with Lannning. I'll do it with him too. Yeah.

To where if you think they're good enough. if they meet the standard it takes to start for you, I trust them. May not be as good as last year's team. Maybe some of those guys raw talent levels better than last year's team, and the experience levels is not there. Those two teams are so important not to draw definitive conclusions after week one. Like Penn State, you can draw conclusions after week one.

You've seen all those players. They added some wide receiver help. Let's see what they are at Tide-in, but largely like Penn State's going to be who they are. Ohio State and Texas should look a ton different in November. Like when you play them, do you really think Ohio State goes to Ann Arbor last week of November? It's just going to be like a copy and paste of week one in Columbus. There's no way that's the case. No.

I mean, there's so many different variables. Injuries, all sorts of different things. Even if they're healthy. Different Jersey. Even if, yeah, true. Even if they went wire to wire healthy, which will never happen. I would love to see how different that team looks. In week, what is that 14 this year, two by weeks?

Yeah. I'd love to see how different they look. Not to mention there will be injury. Always. God. I'm really looking forward to the Texas Ohio State game. I'm excited just like every other person is to see Archmanning. Is he really what everyone says he is?

Seems like he has the right head on his shoulders. You know, he had a little press conference the other day talking about doing shots. He's like, I'm 21. I can do a shot. Like, oh, he's got a little personality to him. He's got that manning pizzazz. You know, it's just like, is he going to be that guy? But do you...

That's a lot of pressure. Do you, like, what... So if someone were to say, let's do the three of us here, someone tells you in 10 seconds, give me your expectations for Arch Manning this year. Go. Heisman candidate. Go. Heisman candidate, possible national champion. I think he's going to be a fringe Heisman candidate.

He's going to be a pretty good to really good quarterback. So I stopped short of the whole hyping him up to be elite, hyping him up to be the Heisman favorite, only because people do that all the time to college players. And then it gets to December. And let's say I think Arch is the best quarterback in the country. I pick him to win the Heisman. he's the fourth best quarterback in the country this year. What happens in sports media land is no one looks at that kid in December and says,

well, he played the way he was going to play. I'm the, I'm the dude who screwed up. I'm the dude who overhyped him. No one does that. No one ever looks in the mirror. They look at the kid and say, you were a bust. Right. But Arch Manning hasn't set an expectation for himself.

Arch Manning hasn't made a prediction on himself. People who write for a living or talk for a living have. So like the way I do it with all these new starters is I assume. that dude's there's a very high floor for him. But my expectation for him is, I think you're going to be pretty good to really good. Anything above and beyond that is just gravy for me. You're playing for Texas.

You shouldn't have to be an elite quarterback to win at Texas. If you are, they'll remember you for a long time. You could have an iconic season loading, all that. But I think he's going to be pretty good to really good. I think there'll be inconsistencies. He's human. There's going to be a game randomly where he throws two picks before halftime.

And people are going to say, I'm sorry, do you have to think about maybe making a change? No, you don't make a change in the third quarter. This is real life. Yeah. He's got to go to Columbus, Gainesville, and Athens before they even play OU in Dallas, I think. Like, his four toughest games are away from Austin. That stuff's not easy.

Right. Kind of a soft take, though, just kind of making it easy, right? I'm making it easy on him. I'm making it easy on him. Kind of a cop out pretty good and above. Heisman National Champion. I think he's going to be good to pretty good. Good to pretty good.

Anyone can say that. Anyone can say that. But I picked my tier to win to Heisman. Yeah. That's a, that's a, you think he's gonna play the whole season? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I do. I do. I'm comfortable. He put a statement out. Everyone did. He put a statement out.

Statements. I mean, what more can you do? No, I'm sure he's a good kid. And I'm sure he fucks around and mess with his boys or whatever. But you know, that hit home for me because I am still on my dad's cell phone plan.

I've never gotten off of it. I pay him every month. I'm going on. same way. I've never come off my parent's cell phone plan and I'm nearly 40 years old. You're going to grow up. So I really am still in the famous. I pay my dad via Venmo every month. If you were to look at the transaction, if I was dumb enough, excuse me, if I were inexperienced in life enough to have my transaction history on public and you saw what I use as the description when I pay my dad for my cell phone bill, you would think we were running a Mexican drug cartel. And all I'm doing is paying my cell phone bill. So we're running a cartel like 150. $15 at a time.

But so when he said, look, I've never been on sports in my life. It's just an inside joke between me and my buddies. He's probably lying, but I got it. I related to it because that's what I do. He's probably lying, but I got it. Do we want to do before we let Josh Pate go, do we want to talk about the conclusion of the Michigan Wolverines? You said you wanted to do a little thing on it.

Yeah, yeah, I want to know about what you think about my Wolverines. I want to get your true opinion about Bryce Underwood, if you've been able to watch him at practice. I have not been up there. Oh. I have not been able to watch him. It's crazy. So I think he's going to be pretty good or really good.

That's where I think. He seems like a cat to me, like even sitting here as a Michigan Homer, like the expectation is insane for this kid. Yeah, he's the one guy that he's fundamentally, he could transform the season for, because if you think about it, like I think the same thing about Georgia's offensive line, the Michigan quarterback position. If they get A minus quarterback play, when everyone's expecting question mark or C plus or B minus. It fundamentally changes their season and the season downstream of like 10 other teams.

Yeah. So I haven't been able to watch them though, so I don't know. Basically what you're saying is Michigan football. And everything just revolves around it. Yeah. That's it. Did they get a slap on the wrist for their, the findings? I didn't get upset about this. The fine. Because I thought what happened was what was going to happen. Here's what I'll say. They alleged multiple level one violations. when you were a kid, you were a kid, I was a kid. That means hammers dropping on your head, borderline death penalty, multi-year postseason ban. All right, a lot of people out in Ohio State Message Board world allowed themselves to believe it was still 2003. And it's not.

And so my whole philosophy, and I know this because I had a network executive explain it to me. I wasn't just guessing my way through it. They said, do you really think that we are paying billions of dollars to leagues, which are just, University presidents. That's what a league is. Those university presidents created the NCAA the same way that NFL owners created Roger Goodell's position so that he can take the heat and take the arrow so the owners don't have to. Well, university presidents created the NCAA and the enforcement arm and the investigation arm and the committee on infractions. They own that. Like they created it. And that executive said, do you really think we're going to hand billions of dollars to university presidents only for those university presidents to voluntarily have an enforcement arm that punitively punishes one of the assets that we paid for to the point where fewer people watch it. That's not what we're in the business of doing. So they can find them all they want to. They can give show causes all they want to. They're not getting a postseason ban. That was never on the table. And people built it up in their minds. And they said, well, look at what happened

in previous worlds when level one violations were alleged. That's a previous world. Billions were not on the table back then, just merely millions. We're in billions land now. No one gets postseason ban anymore. Big whale hunting is what we're doing around here. Yeah. So basically what you're saying is a lot of allegations. They did their investigation, realized we don't have a whole lot of footing to stand on.

And so they slapped them with a $20 million fine, aka drop in the bucket and says, Sean, you got to suspend yourself for one more game. And you just choose when it's going to be. This year, next year, whatever. Yeah. But this is us saving face.

I do think it looked. Yes. Yeah, what you said right? Okay. I think that we don't have to do anymore. No, I thought they were going to go retracting wins. I thought they were going to try and do that. I never believe that matters.

Which, by the way, is the dumbest thing. No, I've never believed it matters. It's like, Reggie Bush. We took your hyphids. Did you, though? I got chewed up. Did you take his Heisman? Like, he had his heism.

He's got a photo with the Heisman. Oh, you don't get the highsman anymore. Still got the photo. I said this on my show. And a bunch of people said, oh, it matters a lot. I said, no, it doesn't. I was there. Like, I was there when you won the national championship.

I stood there with J.J. McCarthy on TV after the game. You can't tell me all of a sudden from Indianapolis, Indiana at NCAA headquarters. Hey, that experience you had, forget it. It didn't happen. Didn't exist. So that never mattered to me. That's why I thought they'd do it because that's all window dressing. That's all aesthetic.

They didn't even do that. And also when the microscope finally went on Michigan, it's right before Penn State, Maryland, which I said that year was going to be the hardest game of the year, Ohio State, Alabama, and Washington. Yep. So if you're being, everyone is watching every single thing you do, Let's say you were cheating. Let's say all the worst things are real. There's no way to cheat those games.

Can't do it. They also would have never gotten rid of any evidence. Who? What? Like Michigan got rid of all the evidence. Like they said that something happened, but there was nothing that they could. The manifesto lived out. Like I'm talking Sapuku, gutted himself, through cell phones in the water.

A lot of evidence was burning. A lot of alleged things happened. But the manifesto, it's like, yeah, sorry my boy is detail-oriented, who is also a Marine, by the way, show some respect. Yeah. So it's like, you attack Michigan, you attack this country. People, yeah, you take Michigan.

I listen to tell us. Like, listen, Michigan didn't do anything wrong. I feel like, how long is, um, it's just amazing, man. Clearly they did stuff wrong. Right. Clearly they did. You don't have to pretend it's a Boy Scout troop up there. You don't have to do that.

You don't have to go Scouts honor. They did stuff wrong. They didn't get popped for it. And it wasn't as wrong. No. As some of the internet claimed it was, didn't do anything wrong. Listen, there are rules. Yes.

Mike Vrable sits there. He goes, you find the rules, you exploit them, and you, you, to, good teams use the rules to their advantage. Michigan is a good football team that took the rules, found the gray, explored the gray. Those will be sewn up. There's a reason why there's a reason. There's a reason why there's tax loopholes. There's a reason why there's tax loopholes for all the billionaires. There's a difference in gray area.

Yeah. Gray area is something not allowed. to skirt up to. You're trying to compete. You want these things to not happen. Make them black and white rules. I got no problem with it. I'm not running the NCAA.

They didn't do anything wrong. I'm just saying it's a great area only because you know they really can't pop you for it, even though there's a rule against it. That's different than you haven't thought. Like landing put 12 on the team on the field last year. And the big tank got mad. He was like, there's no rule against it. Genius.

Yes. That's different than what we're talking about here. How? You got off because there are rules against the illegal scouting. is just Connor looked at it and said, how are they ever going to prove this? Which was smart because they can't. Right.

Yes. But Connor, his punishment, what is it? Like an eight year? Oh, yes. Like, which honestly, he got the punishment. Who said it? Someone was talking about it. If anybody got punished, he got the punishment.

He did. But, I mean, he could go work in the NFL tomorrow. There's a role in the NFL for him tomorrow, I believe. Yeah, it's in Seattle, I bet. Could be. I bet you it's in Seattle. Could be. Yeah.

No, you're right. I do. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it wasn't. I just love the two sides of this. I watched this from a distance. And I watched Ohio State claim that anything less than removing the Michigan logo from the sport of college football would be a stain on the veil of the game.

Right. And then I get on this bus and you say, we did nothing wrong. We did nothing wrong. Because you got a Michigan side where there's like this, this arrogance about it. Like they just, they don't say that, they claim that nothing happened. And it's like, you guys can have. some awareness and know that something happened, but you got away with it.

Like, you guys still won the national title. Still won the national title. Can't take it away from you. Can't take it away. We did it. It's like, yeah, Connor, was he at the Central Michigan game? Probably. Was he doing those things? Probably.

Prove it. I think I did. Get it done. I think Payt State investigators. Hey, yeah, you had the point. You did. I will say, and I know like, obviously Ohio State and I have a very interesting relationship, but the fact that,

that Michigan had all these things and get slapped with what they had. But in 2011 or 2010, they get free tattoos and they have bull bands, wins. They went, that was a my senior year. They would have won the Natty. They would have won the Natty.

They couldn't play in the big thing championship. That is the crazy shit. If I'm in Ohio State fan, I'm pissed about it too. Oh, I'm going to court. I have every, I completely... I'm going to court. Right. I'm getting my wins back. They took wins for me.

You should be like, was it UCF that put up their 2023 national championship banner? Hang the bag. If I'm in Ohio State, that's what I'm doing. So you all took us, you all going to do shit to Michigan? We won the Natty in 2011 or whatever the year was. Prove we didn't. Yeah, prove we didn't.

Yeah. Prove we didn't. No, I get it. I understand the whole Michigan thing and people want to hate on it. I think it's funnier than anything else. I did laugh. Hey, Ohio State, that does suck. The tattoos is bad, man.

That is got a, that is some bullshit. Yeah. Whatever, Mitch. Mitch is an Ohio State fan. Alleged. Yeah, he didn't know that the coordinator. Alleged. Yeah.

So you haven't really done a deep dive on Michigan yet. You haven't looked into it? Not to the degree of like going up there and watching them. Okay, but you've looked into them. You've looked into their ones, twos and threes. Yeah, like, I mean. So if we threw up the schedule here, you'd have a good thought process. I think I had them at eight and four.

I don't like that. I took under eight and a half. I did take that. I saw a, tweet I blocked you. But I feel like it's 2026. I look at this, you're going to feel different, which I would if I were you too. I'm looking at them and saying it kind of like with the thing we were talking about a second

ago with Arch. Anything above eight and a half wins I get this year. Great. Wonderful. If we go on a run, we go on a run. But I look at the way they're built with Underwood. I am thinking 2026. I'm viewing this entire prism or season through the prism of 2026.

So I think they're a year away in a lot of areas. That's what I'm saying. That's what the vibe will be. you see them falling. Don't say Nebraska, but you see them losing to Oklahoma. Oh, you. You're going to pick Nebraska. Maybe. Well, if you don't think of Nebraska clusters. It's like USC and who else? This Washington team sucked on the road last year. That's going to be a sleeper team this year. That's one of the best quarterbacks you'll face this year. Keep scrolling. Michigan State. USC. Got him as a sleeper, but I don't have that one. Yeah, USC at USC. Yeah.

Last year, enough data. Anytime the Big Ten had to travel. going out west though. I don't know. That was a classic game last year. Scroll down. Yeah. Yeah. That's the Ohio State game.

I mean, I'd pick Ohio State right now, but I've picked them four years in a row so it doesn't matter. Yeah. To me it's like... Doesn't matter. Yeah.

Ohio State's... Doesn't matter. I'll probably just keep picking them now out of principle. Yeah, you can't change it because I need Michigan to keep winning. Well, think about how dumb you look if you picked Ohio State four years in a row

and then the year you pick Michigan it inverts. So you just got to stay on one side. But you look at this. It's not the most difficult schedule in the world. No, it's not. I just think it's a lot of close games. I mean, you got Oklahoma, Nebraska are tough games. USC's a tough game.

Washington, I think it's a get-back year. We got one. They got one. They come to Michigan. I'm wondering, just a random game on October 4th. Wisconsin, multiple years in under Luke Fickle, I'm shocked. They're where they are. See, I don't know a lot about Wisconsin. No, you shouldn't. They don't have an identity. Exactly. You can't know. That's what I'm talking about.

People are kind of saying they're like bad year, tough year coming up. Dude, I took under five and a half wins on them. I think they're going to be bad. you think October 4th, they're just going to sneak up on Michigan? No, what I'm saying is it shouldn't be what I'm saying. Right. Multiple years in under Luke Fickle, like questioning the identity of that team was the last place I thought I would be.

But he tried to do something different. He did, people aren't talking about it, but like Lincoln Riley made a bad offensive or a defense coordinator hire when he first took over. Kelly did the same thing at LSU. They have since course corrected. Fickle did that offensively. He hired Phil Longo and he tried to change what Wisconsin had been for 100 years. years and it failed and now they're trying to course correct and it's like but you're doing that three

years in and that's not what you're supposed to be doing three years in so i'm not saying no that's like an upset potential game i'm just saying wisconsin plays the toughest schedule in that league this year there they're there i think they play one team in conference play that has worse odds than them every other eight of the nine big ten games they play are against teams with better odds than them and they play bama out of conference on the road in tuscaloosa so it's They win five games this year. What are they doing? Right.

Yeah, I was surprised too with Fickle. Talk to you about this. Cincinnati. Sneaky. Not that game, but Illinois as a team. As a team. USC goes there in like week five. I think it's like one of the sneak games of the year.

Like Southern Cowell, if they win that when they're off to the races, they're undefeated when they play y'all. They got on the road at Notre Dame after that. Like Southern Cowles in the playoff picture. If they win that game, if they lose that game, it's probably the first of three or four losses again. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah, USC at Illinois, I don't think the country's going to be talking about that.

USC at Illinois and like Texas at Florida are two random huge games on the schedule around the same time that people just aren't circling it because they're not typical rivalry games. They don't happen every year. Florida, people aren't used to be in a competitor. Illinois, people are not used for them to be in the picture. And they're both in the picture this year. And it's just those games are there.

And you're going to get to that week and you're going to say, this is a huge game. Yeah, I think it'll make or break USC's season. It could make or break Texas' season when they go into Gainesville. They will have already played Ohio State on the road. They go into Gainesville. They've got OU the next week,

and they still got a trip to Georgia later in the year. So, New Texas has got, it's not the toughest schedule in the league. All their tough ones are on the road, though. Big boy schedule. Yeah. For our final question, our Bud Light question. What's up?

I just had one more before you did but like question. Go ahead. Any relation to Brock Bowers? DNA-wise? I don't think so. However, you know, there's more to that than just blood. Yeah. And so I feel a lot closer to Brock now than I did two, three weeks ago.

And you both got hair. You wouldn't understand it. Side note. My beautiful wife, piece of advice walking out the door this morning, this came out of her mouth, I kid you not. She goes, where are you going? I said, I'm going to do the busing show. She said, don't try and upstage them.

They have mustaches. I just looked at her like I'm looking at you. Now, did that make you think I should grow a mustache? It made me think you've never mentioned facial hair to me in my life. I didn't know that you were harboring this idea that like you're inferior if you're not walking around with it. But now it's not, I love you. I'll see you later. Like, do you want me to cook tonight?

It's don't try and upstage them. They have mustaches. So for Brock Bowers to be coming to me Instead of me going towards Brock Bay, it feels good Yeah welcome You can open up a can of worms with a mustache They know I kind of want to see you with a mustache I do too

No I want to see like What's it look like? You ever seen Joe Dirt? You ever seen Joe Dirt Yeah Okay so Joe Dirt when he went on the radio show The guy sat across from him and he said wait a second You're telling me your facial hair actually grows in on its own all white trash you like that

He goes yeah that's kind of what's happening it's a white trashy look it's blonde I think I need it's not great it's not great so I just have never let it happen I think we need it in November

yeah we need the mustache starting now I can't tell you how important the charity would have to be to me for me to participate what's your number I'm gonna write it down for you okay yeah off air I want to offer you yeah

and then I'll show that on the locker room this week it's eight figures oh shit yeah it's okay never mind A little blonde mustache just for men, CVS, bing, bing, make that thing darker.

Yeah, every road you're going down, hypothetical. I've already gone down it. Fair enough. We'll figure out a future. We'll figure out a future that he puts in on. And if he loses it. Yeah. I'll be honest with you, one thing with the locker, we're going to find out, there's always these bets and it always involves losing the top of your hair or facial hair.

Something happens. And it's always JP. He nails that right before you start. I mean, I'm done. Me and Brock Bowers, we're good. You bet something else for us. Budlight question. you know how people would do anything for an ice cold bud light what is something that

josh pate would do anything for i would love to be able to um go to pre-technological times and be able to watch like surveillance camera footage of stuff before cameras existed you could watch dinosaurs you could watch like the declaration of independence get signed like you we live in a world now where anything that happened in the last what like 75 to 100 years you've got photos of of you like i've seen the kennedy assassination i've seen the moon landing i think i have i've seen the challenger explosion like all the big stuff 9-11 like there's footage of that you have to imagine what it looked like when um the first white settlers came to america what america looked like before that what did what did it look like i said when dinosaurs roam the earth

you just get to watch cartoons of that or you watch like recreations of it but you don't get to actually see would it look like. There could have been a stegosaurus where this bus is right now. On a Tuesday afternoon, I don't think they knew it was Tuesday, but like you're watching that stuff in prehistoric times

if you're actually getting to see it. If you could deliver that to me, I would, that's what I would do a lot for. You do anything for. That's a great answer. He said I would. Cause what would you dial up?

Like I go to dinosaurs. Yeah, you had me on dinosaurs. I probably want to see that meteor impact or figure out what really happened there, right? We decided as the meteor. Have we figured that out? Look, I'm not 100% on it. I'm not 100%

on most things. This is how we find out. Yeah. And then the bad part is you come back to the future and you try and convince people, they don't believe you. Right. Can we get the last supper,

like live shown live stream? Here's another one too. You kind of had conspiracies. You've heard the conspiracy of like the Nazis fleeting to South America? Yeah. I'd like to see that. Yeah.

Like where was Hitler out in his little bunker? Did he dip or did he take that pill? So much stuff. I know. There's so much stuff about history. Pyramids, yeah. Pyramids, yeah. That's a good one.

Just. Also. The time lapse of the King Bill? I bet you it's like a Blink Stonehenge Also when the last Bigfoot Walked the Earth Amelia Earhart

Amelia Earhart The moment before impact Did you So I heard They might have found her plane In Antarctica Yeah but they say that like every two years Yeah but this is the most

This is the real one I'm just delivering you a message That I've seen with my own eyes on the Instagram But like they found a plane That was like buried into Around the same year Into a cliffside In Antarctica

See, I heard some rumors that some terrible stuff could have happened to them when they crashed. Just internet rumor. Like talking about internet lore. Yeah. Like deserted island they float upon or sharks. Maybe don't die when you land, but maybe some people find you, you know, that kind of stuff. I don't know. I wasn't there.

Like I said, I don't have the footage. Right. And that's not that long ago. It just so happened we didn't have cameras over the ocean. So we didn't see that. Yeah. But if we go back to like 1,300. Go up out of the Dark Ages, something like that.

Roman Empire. You get to see the entire Roman Empire. That'd be sick. Yeah. So Marcus Aurelius dropping pods for us weekly. Drop in pod. Yeah. What would be the one place?

You'd start a dinosaurs? I think I would start at dinosaurs, yeah. And then I would just start going famous moments throughout history. You a big dinosaur guy? How do you not, how are you not fascinated? You seen the nearest Jurassic World? I haven't. Oh, oh.

This gets me to another thing. So you're a big dinosaur guy. No, I'm a big dinosaur guy. I'm a big storm chasing guy too. I would love to go back before meteorological records existed because, you know, like severe weather, huge hurricanes, huge droughts, huge snowstorms were happening forever as long as the earth has been here. So I always think about like Nashville, Tennessee. All right, if you want to go and check out the biggest one day snowfall, you could do that. But the records only go back like 100 years.

So who's to say in January of 14803, there wasn't a three foot snow. no fall where we're sitting right now or who's to say there wasn't the equivalent of an EF5 tornado that came through who's to say there wasn't like the strongest cat five hurricane in history making landfall in Biloxi Mississippi that's a little more nerdish not as many people would be into that but I'm into that I love throughout this podcast how many random cities and states you say yeah you got to drop it's fun yeah it's a it's a nationwide show chasing tornadoes how many have you chased I'm at 13 you're 13th I've seen 13 can your 14th be with the boys I've already spoken to someone

about making this happen. Really? Okay, good. Because I think that would be... God, this could be a fun. Such an elite collaboration. Yes. Imagine us in Oklahoma.

They're still mourning the loss of Michigan and we... We're just... We're back. We're back. How real is the ambition for college football commissioner? It's real. I take it tomorrow. I'm equipped.

I'm qualified. It's probably why I won't get the job. I got really good ideas. I got really good ideas. What are three ideas you would implement right out of the gate in your first 90? First thing is I would, so all these people talking about private equity, I would try and harness private equity to compensate for all the money grabs. Let me give you an example. Georgia Tech plays Georgia every year. Georgia Tech is moving their home game against Georgia to Mercedes Ben Stadium this year because they can get 12 million more dollars out of it. You're taking away a home field rivalry moment for the sake of more money because you need it because you're in a new.

era. So I would love to get private money and I would love to funnel it and say Georgia Tech, keep your game at home, we'll subsidize it. I would love to harness private money that way, private equity money that way. Second thing I would love to do is basically take control of conferences from a media rights perspective. And I would love to have a college football media rights deal instead of the SEC having their own, the Big Ten having their own. I would love for it to look like the NFL. A broadcast rights deal of 1961 would have to be addressed here. But I mean, I would be in the president's back pocket. So I get this. I get this. I get. get this taken care of. This is a MAGA podcast. We can talk about that. So I would love,

because first off, what happens right now is like Fox has very little incentive to talk about the SEC. The ESPN has very little incentive to just talk about the Big Ten because they're not in business with each other a whole lot, which is very stupid because in the aggregate, the game doesn't scale. Also, the playoff contract, one network owns it instead of NBC, CBS, Fox all having a piece of it, which means there's very little incentive for them to promote the playoff and promote the game moving towards the playoffs because they don't have a cut of it. So I would do away with that. And I would also love to reconfigure things where conferences made sense to where Stanford is not playing a conference game at Wake Forest. Just for the sake of someone that you and you and me will never meet, cash in a few more zeros on a paycheck, I would love for that to not matter anymore.

I would also, even in a pure dictatorship, like if I'm the commissioner and everything I say goes, if I'm, a king of college football, I would have so many things that are popular vote decided. I would take my authority and I would say, I'm putting it to the side. We're deciding this by popular vote. I would just hold a national vote. Just pure democracy on some things. I love it. And the whole promotional thing too. It's like when was it last year? Was it like New Year's? Was it New Year's where it just felt like no one even knew that or was it the national championship? It was a, it was a, both. It was both. I would also love to work with the NFL. Look, man, I got, the NFL benefits a lot from college football. From a marketing and development perspective, the NFL gets ready-made assets

handed to them on draft night that have been developed on college football's dime. NFL hasn't had to pay a dime for the development piece. And they have been marketed on college football's dime to where when you draft Taylor LeWan, I know about him because he played at Michigan. I know know about him because I watched him start at left tackle for all these years. You drafted him, but I already know who he is. So you don't have to tell me who he is. And you don't have to develop him to the degree that you have to in college. The NFL never has to fit the bill for that. And yet when it comes time to decide the broadcast schedule, that's the one area where I really wish the NFL would work with college a little bit to make sure like college football's

postseason isn't a good spot. And instead it feels like you have to fight the NFL on every bit of that. So that's probably because people running college football have no clue how to work with the NFL. I think I'd do a better job working with the NFL. I love it. Start the playoffs right after a championship week? I think so. Yeah, have to. Yeah, I think so.

Keep that, just keep it moving. I think so. That gap of 28, 30 days is crazy. Crazy. Not needed. Yeah. We got a roll. Yeah, we do 2018 playoff?

No. Go above 12? I'd leave it. Dude, I'd go small than 12, but I'm keeping it at 12. I think they just, there's poison pillage you. They just put an Overton window kind of mechanism out there. It's like if I'm telling you, Will, we're going vacation. And you say, where are we going?

I'm saying, we're going to St. Louis for an entire week. You say, why can't we go to the Caribbean? Like, when can't we go to a beach somewhere? And I say, all right, we're going to Russia. You say, no, no, no. And I said, all right, St. Louis then? Okay, well, all of a sudden, you're fine with St. Louis. The Big Ten wants the 16 team playoff.

Not many people want it. So their marketing and PR folks just said, they're stupid. Just float a 28 team proposal out there. They'll hate that so much. All of a sudden, 16 won't sound so bad. That's all they're doing. That's all they're doing. Inside ball, Luminati type shit.

I don't like the bye weeks. I actually don't either. I don't like the buy weeks. So I feel like it would be 16 or if you go below 12, 8. I don't like having at-larges if you're going to have the play-in Saturday. Like the whole conference play-in Saturday. If you're having those playing games, I love them. I don't want a safety net under it.

I don't want you to be a four-seed who loses but knows, oh, I can get in anyway. Like if you're going to have play-in games at the conference level, they need to really be do-or-die-die-play-in games. games. So however we can figure it, I hope it's configured that way. We, you. Yes. The commissioner. Yes. With, with voters. Yes. We'll help you out. We'll be a, we'll be a, we'll be a board. I didn't say every vote counts the same. Super votes. Super dexterity. Yeah. That's right. Because we do have we do have this. That's right. We're part of the supremacy. That's right. I don't know if that's safe to say at this point. No, it's not. You can't. Just three white guys up here. We are part of the supremacy. Yeah. Josh Pate. It's going to be a hell of a year, hell of a season. Thank you for coming on buss with the boys. Pleasure. The locker room drops Wednesday night.

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