Bussin' With The Boys - Josh Pate Talks Penn State firing James Franklin + Greg Olsen & Luke Kuechly Recap Week 6 Of The NFL

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

The Boys are back breaking down another wild weekend of football. Josh Pate joins the Bus to talk about James Franklin being fired at Penn State and the madness of the college football coaching carousel. Taylor Lewan trolls Will Compton about Matt Rhule leaving Nebraska for Penn State, and they all dive into other potential openings around college football. The crew also recaps Week 7 of the season and reacts to the biggest moments across the country. Then Greg Olsen and Luke Kuechly hop on to talk about their middle school coaching gigs, whether they’re thinking about taking on bigger coaching jobs, and if Kuechly will join Clay Matthews, Delanie Walker, and The Boys on The Locker Room this year. They finish things off by breaking down Week 6 of the NFL — from big wins to major surprises. Big hugs, tiny kisses.   TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS    0:00 Open 2:00 Will Is Hot, Taylor Is Not 7:00 Michigan Outlook 21:30 James Franklin Firing 40:00 Coaches To Fill These Openings 1:00:20 3 Loss Team Making Playoffs? 1:04:12 AP Rankings 1:10:25 Greg Olsen & Luke Kuechly Begin 1:11:21 Youth Football Recap 1:15:30 Is Luke Leaving? 1:18:00 Are Luke & Greg Moving To Highschool? 1:25:10 Advice To Clay Matthews 1:29:16 Trophies For Going Undefeated 1:31:57 Panthers VS. Cowboys 1:34:34 Giants VS. Eagles 1:39:44 Are The Chiefs Back? 1:40:22 Sneaky Team?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Combined is 250. I think that's, okay. So that originally got back to, I think, That's what it was. Perfect. I know we'll touch on this when we get to the locker room again, Wednesday evenings, the boys and Josh Pate, the locker room on the bus with the boys' channel. I believe we collabs with your channel last week.

Blowing up. Blowing up. Blowing up. But hey, four and one in the big games. You? Boy, was a little spicy over the weekend. And right now going in, now, don't want to jinx it, knock on wood. Right now going into Monday night football.

We talked about six games on the NFL portion of the locker room with Clay and Delaney. Right now I'm sitting at 4 and O. And I have a confession for this is for all the boys for everybody. This is for everybody because this is on me. However, I do think you guys will understand because at times there are some solo missions on parleyes that you have to play. And over the week and Sunday. I literally saw an Instagram thing yesterday about this, bro. Here we go.

But here's a parlay that's open for me right now. And I'm glad we're talking about it because this could be the jinx that makes it lose and I'll feel much better. but if I win this, I had an eight-leg parlay plus 1,800, and it was Denver money line, Rams money line, Patriots money line, Colts money line, Seahawks money line,

Tampa Bay money line, Packers money line, and now I just need the commanders to hit. How much you put on it? 100 to win, 1900. What's a buyout right now? $11,1,127 to cash out. And when did you put this?

I mean, I'm riding with it. I'm for sure riding with it. Would you place about it? Yesterday morning, Sunday morning. But now I'm feeling guilty just because that was when I did. I know we share our parleyes in the group chats. Sometimes there are parles we just do on our own. Like I'm thinking to myself, am I who I think I am

because I've been a little hot since I've shaved the head. Yeah. You've been hot. So. You have a solo mission text thread with yourself. Hey, buddy, you're rolling right now. You see in the same shit. Thanks, man.

Yeah, for real. I have been working. Good news for Will. What was your college football again? Four and one? Four and one. Missed on Indiana. Which, again, apologies to the Indiana fans.

I know I went pretty hard last week because we got this little thing we like to do with Coach Lannning and Big Netty. A simple L.O.L. after the game with Big Nettie after and three sig emojis. Indiana's beating some ass right now. They're one of the best teams in college football. Yeah. Great for Wilco. Let's give a welcome to the round of applause. Yeah.

Now turn around in a moment. silence, I went 0 and 5.15. Buddy, the way the Red River shootout was taking place, and we didn't have much service, but we go away from that Missouri-Alabama game, and Alabama's up 10. I'm thinking, I said it on the ESPN. Don't be surprised if Alabama

wins this game by double digits. I felt really good about that. We walk away. We get through the tunnel and finally service starts popping up. Everyone just in their phone and we was like, oh, shows it over. And Missouri loses by three. I'm literally trying to speak in existence for the next 45.

I think the line was like two and a half, right? It was a one and a half? Yeah, I tell you. It was two. It might have been three. It might have been a push. Bamma's up 10 right now. But Missouri has the ball and they're in Bama territory.

So it was one of the situations where they score fast. I don't know if they in a spot where they got an onside kick it. We didn't get to see the ending of it. But once they won, he was like, what was the spread on the game? I was like, three and a half. He's like, are you sure? One to two. And I'm like, no, it was three now.

Are you totally sure. Here's the funny part. It's first off, half of Missouri Stadium is construction right now. So you're standing in the end. I was on the field. I'm standing in the end zone where the construction's happening. And I'm thinking about, first off, wow, Alabama really needs this win. Secondly, Missouri, they're down 10, so they're trying to score and get the onside.

And the moment that dude crossed the goal line, I'm standing next to three of my staffers. And I just yelled, they got him. They got him. And everyone else in that building and they thought I was talking about the dude scoring the touchdown. I was talking about you. I was talking about you the whole time. Because you were the only one I knew that said they're going to pull away. It was one of those weird things where the almost the entire world it felt like, including me, said,

I'm going to take Alabama. It's going to be really close, though. Normally when everyone's in unison, something other than what they're in unison about happens, the game played out. First off, spread was three to three and a half. Total was 51. Final score was 27, 24. Everything about the game played out according to script.

Yeah, man. And anybody knew when we, that was in the tunnel, we get in the, we get in the car, was to go to the airport. He asked the next person that he sees, hey, what was the spread on the game? Was it two and a half? Two and a half? I'm trying to get somebody to agree with me,

but I think it was two and a half. We get on the plane. Because I'm thinking of myself, because I've already gone through the games. I'm like, oh, I'm, oh, and four right now going into Michigan USC. The actual Fandle app tells you it was three and a half. And you hit them up.

Hey, I got a guy here in Dallas. I think you guys mess this up. I got a guy here at stand outside the carnival ride who says he swears it was two and a half. Are you guys sure? He didn't get on the plane and he, genuinely ask again out loud and I'm just kind of chuckling to myself like he can't take this loss right now I yeah I couldn't take it because I'm thinking to myself at the very least win one yeah

because I've I've been at the top of our like it's been very close between the three of us but I've sitting at the top and I'm thinking myself eventually it'll fall and I know it and I feel it and I know it's going to come but when it's actually happening you're like I really didn't prepare for it I just said the words I didn't emotionally prepare for this loss that I was about then you're o and four going into Michigan USC which what we got to witness on the lock room with the confidence the no the self the the the the locker room I think if you look that back you could I'm nervous I even say like I'm nervous with this game like they match up really well with us what they do well is what we don't do well and vice versa but I thought at the end of the day like

toughness is going to win and I was right yeah I was right toughness toughness the tougher guy won like and Riley won as much as I want to sit here and beat my chest about Michigan like the thing that makes me so prideful of Michigan is like when the backs against the wall they scratch claw and fight and you're going to you're going to walk away you're going to missing you're being missing a limb broken late you're going to have you're going to be beat up when you play michigan and that game we had our guys getting hurt their guys are celebrating on the sideline in the fourth quarter they run for what was it 225 yards over five yards per carry over five yards per carry and that's not with their starting running back yeah they're down several guys not that's

not with their second string big that's what they walk on running back and the miss tackles so yeah we got our ass beat good news we're oh and no this week and I'll be I'm we I told JP this before we started I'll be putting a two leg parlay together just a two little it'll be Michigan money line and South Carolina money line

because we're in October right now baby we gotta get it done I think don't you guys have a buy no we play Washington this week yeah this week yeah opened up at five and a half point favorites before Washington open up at five and a half point favorites in the big house in the big house Washington got down 21 to Maryland and came back they were on the road

I know. 24 in the fourth quarter to win. Watching it is a tough team. Like the only team they've lost to is Ohio State. Yeah, what do they do really well? Throw the ball well. They got a good running back. They do RPO.

They get the ball out really fast. I think what's the quarterback's name for USC? Myava. Myava. They were showing it during the game. He was using the ball out in like 1.3 seconds. Good player. Like getting the ball up, making fast decisions.

Like the pass rush, they're like, well, they know our pass rush is really good. And they just. Oh. they know our pass rush is really good so they just decided to take care of it they did a great job they did there's some scheme things i wasn't a fan of but at the end of the day it's amazing blue we got to handle the huskies can i say this though you did not disappear saturday night you were vulnerable you were hurting you were texting through it you were texting through it i was texting through it and there were a lot of parenthesis after the text you're texting through it i just text paid i'm like i'm so

sorry because his whole thing was I got a Michigan problem until Michigan proves me wrong and I'm like hey I'm I'm so sorry we let you down literally the next play price underword to marsh 64 yard bomb we're probably down we're back in it we're probably not yeah yeah yeah we're probably not like we're reverse psychology through the text I'm like that text much did exactly what I needed to do because remember all we needed was a stop yeah after yeah that's all we needed after the Nebraska game for the viewers who don't know you're laying on the field out there and it's tough you've lost and I've lost a bet you've won I go in the Michigan locker room with you. You're celebrating.

You're holding up the bus and bowl trophy. Everyone's happy in there. And I just kind of got to stand off on the cycle. I'm the only guy in that whole room that picked Michigan to lose the game, but am in the Michigan locker room after the game. And everyone keeps making eye contact with me. You keep making eye contact with me.

Everyone keeps making eye contact with me. And I'm in there learning a lesson. I'm just never going against this team again. When I'm on the fence, I'm going to ride with Michigan. And I rode with Michigan. And we crashed. This is what it feels like. Yeah, good news.

Were you riding with Michigan for the Michigan problem, or did you, in your heart of hearts, think Michigan was going to win that game? Kind of both. The model liked Michigan? I thought I liked Michigan. I had the Michigan problem to overcome. So now what do I do?

I'm probably going to pick a beginning against Washington. I don't really know what to do. I feel like no matter what. I feel like no matter what. Because, see, I thought Kansas may have Texas Tech on upset alert a little bit too. So I said it. Then I get text from the Texas Tech staff after they blow them out. Hey, bro, you helped us out.

thanks that puts me in a no win position if i vocalize that i think someone's on upset alert and then they weaponize it in their building and the upset doesn't happen because of me what do we really do at that point do i just write all my picks in an envelope don't say it on air at all like oz it yeah these were my picks yeah you should do that one week trust if it keeps going this way bro yeah yeah it is um you've put yourself in this position though going back to sitting in a car listening people open stuff up putting the volume down and going through the whole segment yourself you've done great now people listen. Hoombsdomunks

us thought it would turn into this though. I don't know. How are you feeling about the rest of the season for Michigan? It's all winnable. But how are you feeling when you watch? Because again, I had USC and my whole thought process was

the way Michigan goes about things offensively, like as far as a lot of it has moved the pocket. You're wanting to run the ball. The way the, the resume that they had was they had these big explosive runs

by your running backs that kind of, you know, it's got Haynes top of the league or top of the country in rushing yards and everything else. But it's like if teams are able to keep the explosives from happening and you're behind. And they broke explosives on you. Right. And you're behind. Like it's just, it doesn't seem like a team that's built to like come from behind,

keep up offensively. So that's where my question comes in. Like when you have Washington coming in, you kind of look at the rest of the year and you kind of see what Michigan has been doing offensively. Yeah. From your vantage point when you're watching. watching at home. It's like, how are you feeling about the Michigan? When I'm, when I'm watching that game, there's so many things that I look at that. Okay, that's all you can fix that. The mistackles

you can fix like USC goes down on the first drive and scores seven should have been off its pass interference should have absolutely been off it's a pass interference however it wasn't and then we go and it's like okay the noise has been what you just said. Michigan has to run the football to be successful. They get these explosives. Pose their will. If you if you take away the explosives then Michigan's not but it's like you can say that all you want. want. However, it's like, Michigan, hey, don't get the explosives. But every game, Michigan gets the explosives. So, like, what kind of back and forth are we really dealing with? It seemed to me that, like, Michigan was really starting to find, in the Wisconsin game, their passing threat. Where it's like, okay, McCulley starts to come on a little bit, this Marsh kid who's a five-star freshman, he's really starting to figure out the playbook. He's got great hands.

During the course of the game, you realize these guys have really put a lot of intention in the drop ball. So I think there was maybe one, if not zero. So it's like, okay, you see there's some level of course correction there. But you start the first game with a three and out and you try to throw the ball three times. And it's like, well, that's not what we're saying when we need to have a vertical threat. It's like, let's utilize the run game. We know the safety's going to come in the box. We know for everybody who's playing Michigan, you've got to stop the run. So take advantage of it with the pass and be a little more 50-50.

Be creative in your past. Be creative in your emotions. And it just seemed like we got, Lincoln Riley had a better game plan going into from an offensive standpoint against their defense and their defense put us in third and long situations and we're able to feast. Like it's, sometimes when it snowballs.

Looking to the rest of the year, I think there's a lot of times where teams are a lot better than the way they play. Michigan's a perfect example for that. They got their ass kicked. And now you go into a team that everyone in the Big Ten respects Washington as a football club. You get them in the East Coast time zone.

You get them for them what would be at 9 a.m. kickoff because it's playing at 11 or noon. And so now it's like, okay, let's run the ball effectively. Let's be creative. Let's move the pocket of Bryce underwood and show sustained drives. Let our defense have a comeback game and say, hey, I know we failed last game because we have 500 yards of offense put on us. But let's redirect receivers at the line of scrimmage.

Let's push back the offensive line. Let's form tackle. And if we're not in a good position to make a tackle, let's slow a guy down. Calvary can come. Like, let's see team football starting to happen because all these games are winnable. And then you've got Ohio State at the end of the year, which we've been four and oh against. So it's like, it's not like the season's over. It's just now you've put yourself in a position where it's basically a win and go home if you think you're a college football team.

Yeah. What to say about USC, man? USC look good. This is the week. What are your thoughts? Who do they put this week? They are playing at Notre Dame this week. Yeah.

A lot of Southern Cal fans wanted to paint last week as the statement week. And I was very careful because I don't believe that was a statement because I don't believe you make a statement against teams your favorite against. You make a statement by going on the road. You do the whole cross-country time zone thing. You go play a team that is physically superior to you, has been talent-wise superior to you in part because the general manager for you now is who put that roster together in Chad Bowden. That would be the statement to me. But it wasn't very impressive that USC did what they did. They held Michigan, I think their longest row was 13 yards, by the way.

So they totally inverted the game script the way people like me and you thought it would play out. Okay, now, if USC were to go to Notre Dame and win, two things happen there. Notre Dame's out of the playoff. That's the first thing that happens. The second thing that happens is USC is a bona fide playoff threat. Third thing that happens is you all of a sudden look at Oregon's schedule down the road and you realize, oh, wow, USC goes to Oregon in November and that becomes a monster game. Yeah.

So a bunch of dominoes could fall Saturday just with that. game and then the fourth domino up the road in Ann Arbor is we're sitting in this world where James Franklin, who I assume we're about to talk about, was in overtime with Oregon, top five ranking 16 days ago. And now he's out of a job, which shows you how fast things can change in college football right now. So I'm thinking about everybody. But since we were just talking about Michigan, Michigan is a two-loss team right now. Okay, the Washington line opened at like five and a half at home. Not a lot of separation there. But yet, no one will be thinking on Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday of this week really worried about Washington, Michigan.

That's a Michigan thing only. The rest of the college football is not thinking about that. Right. If all of a sudden Washington pulls an upset and that just gets sprung on America Saturday, the noise would be turned from like three to seven on the Michigan staff. I like those dudes. Like I would prefer that not to happen. But I would have preferred it not to happen to James either. So I'm just saying, man, there are a lot of conversations happening behind the scenes because that snowball got kicked downhill with Penn State. state and now the folks at albairn are talking the folks at florida are talking the folks at michigan have been whispering a little bit i think it turns into an outright talk not a screen but an outright talk if that happens saturday yeah the bummer about that is the the michigan twitter world the social media world of michigan is louder than ever about that circumstance and i think it's a you've got to essentially

went out to ohio state for the fan base i don't know what goes on behind with everybody else but like for me like soon as the game in text you're on hey man keep your head you're having to keep your head head up. Yeah. Got to keep it going. Hopefully everyone's healthy. Yeah, I want to be very clear. So when we're talking about this, like I think a lot of this is insane. I thought it was crazy the way they were talking about Ryan Day last year. I learned it doesn't matter what I think because I learned I'm not making decisions in these athletic departments. In some cases, boosters are. In other cases, administrators are. So what I learned to do is just echo the reality. The reality, regardless of whether I like it or not, is there's going to be a ton of noise around him, but they don't win Saturday. And if they don't

keep on winning. Like I think 8 and 4 puts them on very thin ice with hot blades and they're a two lost team right now. And here's let's let's go down the world. Can you actually pull up? What was I going to say to pull up? I forget what it was. You mentioned something.

Anyway, I started going down the avenue of like, okay, what's our, what's our recruiting class look like? What kind of things do we need? We're a top 10 recruiting class. Yep. You have a lot of key freshman sophomore guys that are playing already that are showing a lot of like, oh, hey, we got, we got some guys. coming up what happens and you got brys underwood and you got brys underwood what happens if that staff

isn't there next year okay remember this so two things are happening firstly michigan recruits itself that's the first thing they'll they're banking on that rather yeah that michigan recruits itself guys are there for michigan not for one coach whether that's real or not that's what they're banking on number two the rule just changed in the NCAA it was up until about five minutes ago if your coach gets fired your entire roster can enter the portal for the next 30 days and your class falls apart and whatever. Now the rule for your roster is, you got to wait until the next coach is hired, which may or may not be legal, but that's the rule right now. So your roster is not going to immediately evaporate. Number two, Michigan is very, very well bankrupt. So I think

before they ever made a move in a hypothetical alternate universe where they made a coaching move, I think they would proactively make sure all their guys are locked up and taking care of financially roster-wise before they ever touch the coaching staff. So I don't really see this cataclysmic falling apart of the recruiting class, falling apart of the roster, unless guys are just so loyal to your current head coach, this goes for anyone,

unless they're just so loyal that they want to make a statement. You fired my guy. That's why I was here. I'm out. Some of that may happen with Penn State. I don't know what's going to happen with Penn State's roster.

You see that I think Penn State had like the number two running back? Yeah. I thought that hitter kid was the number one running back. In 20206, this is 2027 running back. He, I think even before the game, He's like, I'm not 100% committed to Penn State anymore. After James Franklin gets fired, he's now decommitted from Penn State.

So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things that happen just other than a head coach decides, or a program besides a fire head coach. All these kids are looking at that. I mean, like, I want stability in my life. One thing you do, like, I didn't realize that's so important when I was going to college is like, is the head coach going to be there for all four years when you're there? I had to go through two head coaches. You were able to play your whole career with one coach.

Yeah, a lot of recruits are pretty. I guess, look, I can speak for myself. Like, I committed mainly to the coaching staff. I feel like a lot of recruits basically commit to the coaching staff. I know everybody says, like, pick the school, pick to school, and that could be great advice. But I feel like you just get caught up in your relationships with the staff. You want them to be there the whole time.

So when they leave, if they leave, make either a lateral move or get fired or whatever, I feel like that kind of affects the roster. What do you see happening? We have a tier talk here from Jared Ladd, hashtag tier talk. Where does Franklin go from here? Part of me seeing. like I've just been in the Nebraska world, but it's happened at Auburn. It's happened at Florida.

But when Nebraska fired Pellini because they were so fed up with nine, ten win seasons, then you just see the decade downturn of what Nebraska and the fans and the world has had to go through since firing Bo Pellini. Where do you think Franklin goes from here? What do you think it means for Penn State? Do you think Penn State is going to hit when they get this next head coach, whoever it may be? if I were him, you wouldn't see me for either you wouldn't see me for two years or I'd go do TV.

Because I've got a theory on this. Like my theory is, I think when you're fired, if you're fired as a head coach right now, James Franklin, for example, very high profile coach. Okay, so been very successful up until the last two weeks, basically been very successful. Dan Mullen got fired at Florida. Dan Mullen did it right. Dan Mullen went and sat on TV for a few years and you're just a genius on TV. You get to be the one who second guesses. You get to be the one who doesn't have to make the call and live with the consequences.

You just get to commentate. You get to do what we do all the time. All coaches sound like geniuses on TV. All coaches' stocks go up on TV. Go sit on TV. You're making buyout money anyway. They're going to have to pay you $50 plus million. See your family.

Go sit on a beach every now and then. But also what you do privately behind the scenes is you circulate sort of your James Franklin 2.0 plan. Here are the lessons I learned. here's why it went sideways at Penn State. Here's how I'm going to acclimate to the new landscape of college football if you hire me. Here's who I'd hire. Blah, blah, blah. Then you wait and you select the on-ramp back to coaching.

That's what I would do. I don't think he's going to do that. Everything I've heard is he's looking to get right back into coaching. Like maybe the UCLA job, for example. Maybe he looks at that and says, yeah, I want that. UCLA jobs already taken. That's actually true. The UCLA job looks okay right now.

Yeah, I think. Well, yeah, I'll get that. I'm confident, look, if everybody else is on board with it, is that a state college area code? Wow. People are calling. If the entire college football world's on board with it, I'm good with UCLA just being two and no,

and they get to reset their season with this interim head coach because they've been on fire just these last two weeks. Yeah, I can get on that. I think UCLA might have to be ranked now. They're undefeated team. Yeah, they're undefeated right now with him. would come as a head coach. They are what I needed South Carolina to be.

It's Bruintober. It's not Coctober right now. It's Bruintober. Then again, Oklahoma comes to town Saturday. So let's see. Anyway. Money line. Oklahoma money line this week.

Oh, sorry, South Carolina. Yeah, yeah, my fault. My fault. Yeah, it's interesting. But also for Penn State fans celebrating this in such a way, do you feel like grass isn't greener? Yeah, I get it, though. That's where I sit there and think.

Like, I had a close friend of mine. Jeff Dilo he hits me up I think he's he has I think he sent me a clip of yours and was just talking about

like it being he's of the camp of happy Franklin's out of there it needed to happen he fails or as this is on the banner one in 18 against top what is it top five top 10 opponents

or AP opponents and I'm sitting there message with him I'm like hey I feel you bro I promise you I feel you but the only experience I have is same kind of thing. Like a fan base was so fed up with Bo Polini.

I was like, now I don't think you guys go out higher, you know, like an average coach. Like we ended up going out and getting Mike Riley that kind of started the bottom. Then we completely whipped on Scott Frost.

I don't think that'll happen because they have the resources. They have the funds. There's got to be a sure thing out there. It doesn't matter if you got, well, billions of dollars is different. But it doesn't matter

whether you're well resourced. If you're paying 50 plus million dollars to fire a guy, or you're just getting rid of them, even if you didn't have to pay the buyout, although that's reality. So you're paying the, buyout, there's got to be a definitive upgrade, right?

For you to be confident. So I understand Penn State fan sentiment. First off, you're looking at Ohio State and you're saying to yourself, man, I invest emotionally like my buddy Mike does. I invest financially like my buddy Mike, the season ticket holder at Ohio State does. Why can't I get the results he gets? Why can't we get the results they get? Why can't we get the results?

Michigan's gotten. They've both won national championships. Indiana with Cignetti. Yeah. Well, Cignetti makes a lot of people look bad because he's doing it way quicker than everyone who's been there a long time. But you're looking at it and you're saying, okay, I don't want to just be very good. I would rather take my chances and jump into the fog and try and grab the great, but with the risk that we fall into terrible. I would just rather take that risk. That's

emotion thinking. That is not logic thinking. But I understand it because you're not supposed to be logical as a fan. You're not supposed to. So I'm sitting on the outside. I'm not emotional about it. I'm trying to be more logical. And I'm trying to say, you could do two things at once. You could admit we've just been pretty good. We haven't been great. We want to be great. He needs to make changes to be great. Okay, that's that's hand A. While hand B also says, man, there's so much further you could fall making this move than room to climb. And so I look at that proposition and I say, does it really make sense to make the move? Does it really make sense to pull the trigger and fire him? Not put pressure on him, fire him. And I thought the answer was no. I thought it's insane. The guy's 34 and 8 with three double digit win seasons over the past three years. He was, I cannot stress this enough for people who are mainly NFL and just kind of dabble in college. The guy was in overtime against Oregon 16 days ago with a top five ranking next to his name and the lead in the game. And he's out of a job now. 12 years in to his tenure.

Remember, when he took the job, they weren't that far removed from crippling scandal. Like Penn State had huge stains on their brand that extended well beyond football. Publicly, when you mentioned Penn State, no one taught football. They talked other terrible stuff. And James Franklin comes in and correct me if I'm wrong, there hasn't been a whiff of scandal since he's been there. So my thinking was just, how does this guy not have more equity built up than this?

How much very, very good can you turn in before people just get fed up with very good and in pursuit of great, take this kind of risk? Because this is a huge risk. And like you said, okay, if you want to go and you want to upgrade, that's fine. if there were a guaranteed upgrade out there, I would support this move. James Franklin himself logically couldn't push back on this move.

If you told James, hey, so-and-so is available. Like Nick Sabre, Kirby Smart. Kirby Smart's available and he wants to come to Penn State. Even James Franklin would have to say, yeah, you guys got to make this move. Pave me by money, you got to make this move. Kirby's not available. None of the top coaches are available. So again, we're not talking about Penn State having been terrible.

We're talking about them floating in about the 8 to 15 range, right, over the few years. So to upgrade, you've either got to go get one of the top eight coaches in the country, none of whom are going to leave where they are right now, or you've got to have such a surefire candidate out there. Maybe it's a hot shot coordinator, or maybe it's a coach that, I don't know, is like re-emerging on the landscape and you're going to be his final step. You're hiring for the next 15 years. I don't see that. Like, you know, I'm a huge Matt Campbell guy. I'd hire him tomorrow if I had an opening. But even I'll admit with Matt Campbell, that's not such a sure slamming. dunk that I'm going to fire James Franklin and pay him $50 million not to work here anymore

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That burner phone has come out and been like, hey, what do you think? Yeah, yeah, I would make that move. Do you think they know who their target is or who their guy is? Like, you're very connected in the college football world. in what you've seen because you watch listen we'll be watching Thursday night football and I see you tweeting about some game that's happening in college football it's not some game it's Miami Ohio Toledo it's a rivalry game buddy that's an in-state it's a rivalry game so head coaches coordinators up-and-comers like what is this list looking like

for Penn State like what are coaches that are you know for any of the jobs that might be opening up before you answer that question CBS had a whole report on this have you seen that CBS report, those are your friends. I can't remember which report it was. Maybe. It was about who the next head coaches. They said, and I quote, it starts here and it finishes here. Oh, I saw that one. I saw that one.

You're talking about my boy. You're talking about my second father. I think the odds came out too, and your boy is the number one front runner by... I need you to lock in on me. Right here. Hang on tear talk. Need Josh fake to whisper in my ear. That rule won't go to Penn State.

Hacksetechetechir talk. Tribulance is happening. The flight attendant's looking at us and she's not good right now. Hey, we're having a conversation. We're having a conversation. Door shut, bus doors shut. I'm looking at you. Put your seatbelt on.

Okay. I know and you know and you know that I know that you know that that's your burner. I know that. And I know that you want me to put your mind at ease. And you know I think it would be terrible if Matt left Nebraska to go to Penn State. I think the CBS report is right that that's their target. Because I think Pat Kraft and Matt Rule, I mean, if you and I think, vacation together and I'm the AD somewhere and I think that the job that I have

control of is superior to the job you have yeah I'm gonna offer you the job that's not the question the question is not is that their target because I think that may be their target the question is going to be is he willing to leave that's gonna be the question yeah yes he's gonna be willing to leave no no no I'm saying I'm saying I understand I understand what you're saying I think the rumors are very real I think the pressure will be at an all-time high and I think it just comes down to what's in coach rules brain and heart yeah i i'm not trying to say he's not leaving i hope these that these rumors aren't true that they're not targeting it i think all of that

is very real i just i don't know what is in his heart mind and soul because i know he was a walk on there i know he's an east coast guy i know he's got you know ties there family ties friends everything like penn state when he came and took the nebraska job you've kind of understood a little bit of this. Now I'm understanding more of it. So I don't know what's going on in his brain, but I do know that in my opinion, he's grown and as he's been there, he's on his third year now. He absolutely loves Nebraska. His wife, his family loves Nebraska. He moved his family. He moved some of his family over to Lincoln, Nebraska. His wife has a business in Nebraska. His son is a sophomore at UNL at Nebraska. You get everything you want at Nebraska. Money.

resources, facilities, you've got recruiting classes. Can I take so? You got a lot of things set up to where it's like you have some business that not only finish, but you can be a legacy guy at the University of Nebraska. I'm not talking to anybody in particular, but we got a lot of good shit happening in Lincoln to where I just, I think that as real as him and him being boys with the AD, but he's also very much great friends, boys with the AD, Troy Danin at Nebraska. I think that this is now, he's got emotional ties here,

and this is a program that he legitimately wants to build and win championships with. Do you know who Greg Madison is? I know who Greg Maddox is. They're both white males. Yeah, both white males. He was a defense corner. I think he was with the Ravens for a little bit, and then it came to the University of Michigan.

He loved Michigan. He loved Ann Arbor. His wife, kids, family, everyone moved there. They started themselves a little shop on Main Street called Rock Paper Scissors. It was like a cute trinket store, right? Holiday season would take place. You'd go over there, get some fun ornaments for trees,

Spooktober would take place. You have a whole bunch of stuff to kind of make your house a little more festive. A year after I left, he went to Ohio State. Oh, no. Because he had ties at Ohio State. And he's on record saying it's the worst decision of his life. He didn't say that.

Rock Paper Scissors is still there, and it's actually functioning very well when I took my daughter to a game last year. It's just as cute as it was before. Okay, where's the thing? Listen to me. Here's the thing. He opened rock paper scissors and that's great.

His wife opened rock paper scissors. My rule started a whole brand. He's got a whole podcast. I got you. He's on MacCap every week. Hey, show me that. We talked with this last week. Show me the brand of that podcast.

Where is the end? Okay, that's just trademarking stuff. You know that's just legalese. You can't get a trademark from the school you go to? You coach for? Maybe that's in the re-adishated deal. House rules. Can easily go to blue and white.

All I'm asking you and you and Matt Rule. I'm just playing devil's advocate. I want him to stay in Nebraska. Sure, because you think it would be terrible for college football if he left. I think it'd be awful for college football if you left. You've got to ask yourself this. And this goes for someone who is working a job right now that has nothing to do with football that just may be watching the show. Are you happy when you wake up in the morning and go to work?

Most people's answer is no. If Matt Rule's answer is yes, you've got your answer. You don't leave happy. You don't try and get happier than happy. And you've been around him. a ton. I've been around him a little bit. Unless he's totally faking it, he seems happy at Nebraska. Yeah. And if he's happy at Nebraska, then the best thing he can do right now, the best thing Troy Dannen can do right now is to make sure you understand, okay, to keep this guy, because he's in

demand, which is a good thing, by the way. If you guys are not in demand, he sucks. The best thing we can do is make sure we squeeze the sponge as hard as we can to drip every ounce of resource out of the sponge that is Nebraska, because that's what it's going to take to keep any quality candidate home and that's what you do right now. You're on to it right there and it ain't, look, we got the facilities. You're on to something right there. If it's a little extra payday. Holgerson, you can't take Holgerson though.

He gets paid overnight. Like he's made a shitload of money. Now it's how do you position this thing? They put it all into getting more players, more talent. Maybe that's it. But I think he stays in Nebraska. But I am aware that this all, this rule talk depends. is very real.

But I think we killed it. You use the term happy. I think it's a poor choice of words. We're talking about where Penn State is located at. Yeah, but one of the hardest things, hardest things to do for successful people is to get the goalposts to stop moving. I think he's in an incredible spot.

I think he wakes up very happy coaching the Nebraska Cornhuskers. What are you laughing about? You, just your operation. Because literally here's, here's, think about it, bro. I don't know. Hold on.

Think about this. I'm sitting on this show with my best friend and my second best friend right now. And we're here talking ball. We're talking ball. And I know my job at this point on the show is strictly to push your buttons. Because if it was, if was true serum was on me, I bet. I really hope Matt Ruhl doesn't leave. I want to stay in Nebraska.

And I'm watching my boy. Just reach and pick and try to grab anything you can't because all you're saying is right. Yeah. Put a billion dollar contract in front of them and say, you happy? We'll bring anything you want. I just know that the CBS report. You look at the odds. There's been a few fingers out there.

He's number one. And I, last week you and I talked about this. Like, is Matt Rule going to go to Penn State? And I shut it down. Is that a possibility? You shut it down. And like I just thought, oh, that's an interesting thought process. The minute James Franklin was fired, the Matt Rule headline started.

And it was bigger than I ever could have imagined. Yeah. So I am, as your best friend, am afraid for you right now. I'm nervous because where do we go from here if we lose Matt? I know them boys in Nebraska I hate my guts because they're like how could you go from Michigan

you were out of our spring game and say there might be that's why the end stands for knowledge I went to Michigan so I'm obviously going to go against you guys but I still love and support you guys I what happened let's play a hypothetical game

and I'm just going to look at you right now if Matt Rule takes the job at Penn State where does Nebraska go from there who do they go get you open up the wall for anybody that's the problem though is you can't just open up the wall

for anybody You have to go find the right guy and open the wall for that right guy. I'm going to speak for both of us. Here's the answer. If an asteroid drops on your house while you're asleep tonight, what are you going to do tomorrow?

Nothing. Because you're dead. Yeah. I don't know what Nebraska would do. Oh, fuck. Because I'm not allowing my mind to go there because it's not going to happen. We got to.

It's not going to happen. But the answer is I would go like get Alex Golish. I would go get one of these coordinators as begging for a shot. Because you want to talk about legacy, talk about appreciation, And again, this is hypothetical. Look up Al-Golish's alma mater.

We got to make sure wherever that is. Actually, what's true. We got to look up wherever that is and make sure. I don't know. I don't know why, like, again, I feel very confident with what we've built over the last two years. The Astro is not dropping on us. Yeah. Not in Lingu.

Mike Echler in that special teams unit is sitting at the top of the country right now. Nebraska, we play a tough Minnesota team this weekend. It could be the first time we win six games. No! No! What happened? Ryan, you're happy. You're happy in Columbus.

The NFL will never call. Goalish, his alma mater is Ohio State. Why do they keep doing this to us? I mean, Ryan Day is not going anywhere. That's good news. That's good news. Unless a Penn State situation happens. That fan base would never turn on him.

Never. Last year, they're like, oh, Los Ohio State, or Michigan, all good. Who's out of the West Ohio State? Oh, Michigan. Buddy, you always knew that's exactly where this would go. We spent three minutes on Penn State. maybe three minutes on Penn State.

Yeah. We knew this is where it was going to go. To get back to the, to get back to the original question, I know we made it about the Huskers. The job's not even open. But who are these, who do you think these coaches are

that will be on these short lists when these, you know, programs? Because I'm sure, we are pretty sure that there will be more jobs open than just Penn State. Oh, yeah, man. And who are these coaches

that you think will be making some big moves in the off season? I think that Matt Campbell is, I'm going to go back to him. I mean, I might as well be his agent. Like, that's how much I believe in him. So Matt Campbell at Iowa State would be my call. Rules going to get mentioned with Penn State until the job gets filled. I also think John Summerall at Tulane has been ready. I think he's smart enough to wait for the right job to open. Probably an SEC job. I think a couple, at least, of SEC jobs will come open. Alex Golish, like we just mentioned at South Florida, like both of those guys in a previous life would have already left.

They would have taken a smaller job. Those guys can just afford to wait for a bigger job. Remember, Arkansas is open right now. Remember Oklahoma State is open right now. Arkansas, Stanford, UCLA, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma State, Penn State. Like, I got no clue what you do if you're Virginia Tech. I have no clue what you do. Your route, ironically, I don't think James is going to take Penns or Virginia Tech,

but your route may be to hire a guy who's already making buyout money so that you don't have to break the bank for him because there's no bank to break there. Fun thought. Fun thought. With some coaching experience, do you look at somebody like from your alma mater, DeAngelo Hall? Dee Hall's been in the NFL game. Yeah, well, Mike Vick's coaching right now. Right.

You see Dee Jack. You see some of these moves as far as like influence and branding. He's at Bowling Green. Could be a thought. It is a thought. If you're going for these big time programs, I think there needs to be a higher sample size before you start giving DeAngel Hall in Nebraska, job or a Penn State job.

Yeah. And look, that's more speculation like it. But if DeAngel Hall was somebody that like wanted to coach at Virginia Tech, that could very much be like a thought, depending if he sits down in the right rooms, interviews well and everything else. And if he's dying for a Virginia Tech job, a stud, a legend in not only Virginia Tech, but also the NFL, that could bring a lot of awareness, excitement, branding. Because Virginia Tech's been in a hole for a long time since like the 2000s, that first

decade in the 2000. Staying on the coaching and you brought up Tulane SEC, we know that Hugh Freeze is probably on the hot seat a little bit. We've talked about Billy Naper all year. Saturday is a big game for Hugh Freeze. They play Missouri. It's all caps. Do you understand what I'm telling you?

I'm on. I'm fully picking up what you're putting down. Big Saturday on the planes for Hugh Freeze. If, okay, those two we know Billy Napier and Hugh Fries. What about Brett Venables? Is there any noise there? You lose at Texas at the Red River driveway the way you do. Shoot out.

if, sorry, shootout, if Mateer's thumb doesn't get better and they go through this SEC process where it was kind of

a hot seat situation before the season started. Before the Tere got there. Let's say they lose to the game cocks. What's the rest of Oklahoma schedule? Let's just say it. All ranked teams. Okay.

So they're in a cockmovember type of situation. Sue Nember. Let's just call it a tough schedule. Yeah. Let's say it doesn't go the way they want. Is Brent, who was on who was kind of on this like theoretical hot seat before the season started

is that a situation where there's a vacant job at Oklahoma yeah okay yeah that's another one I could I took way less time to ask that question it's another one that's not on the radar yet because they started the season hot right you're looking at I'm just I'm trying I've tried to tell you guys like two weeks ago I've been alluding to this oh my god that's schedule sucks that's the reason it's gonna be insane oh miss Tennessee Alabama Missouri and finished with LSU. You got a good season going eight and four there. If you go eight and four against that, that's a good season.

Here's the problem. Something called the recalibration of expectation, a theory I have not presented on the show yet, has happened with Oklahoma. If Oklahoma lost to Michigan in week two, people would have never recalibrated their mentality to think Oklahoma could be a contender because they would have had a loss already.

But the problem for Oklahoma, ironically, is they beat Michigan. So people forgot their preseason expectations and they recalibrated. on the fly. And all of a sudden, Oklahoma became a contender. Well, then John Matere got his hand hurt, and then they lost to Texas, and now people aren't thinking eight and four is okay. Now people are thinking eight and four, given what my recalibrated expectations were, would be a disaster. We need to get rid of him. Now, you may think that's crazy or not. Again, I think it's crazy

James Franklin just lost his job. But it doesn't make him any less unemployed this morning than he is. Yes, I do think Oklahoma, they believe they've got the entire infrastructure in place, which they do. by the way. And they believe if there's only one shortcoming, if there's only one faulty wire here, and it happens to be the head coach, that's a plug-in-play. And that would be a very desirable job. And they're right about that. And I've talked to some coaches about that. And Oklahoma's looked at a little bit differently in the SEC. Like Oklahoma is the program that has this overlap of rough around the edges, blue collar, roll up your sleeves mentality that some coaches love. But it overlaps with that SEC money. And other places aren't like that.

Like other places, they're rich and they know it. Oklahoma's rich. But you can tell their first generation rich. Like they still wear jeans. They still tuck the t-shirt in. There's no belt on. There's stains on the jeans too. So you know they've been out working in the back before they come in for dinner.

That's kind of how Oklahoma is. So I say all that to say yes to that. And then there's a big question on screen up there if you want to ask me that question because I got an answer for that one too. Is Mike Norville safe? I got no idea because they'd have to pay him 60 million. Because when the Alabama job came open, Jimmy Sexton fleeced FSU and got them to sign a renegotiated deal that puts Mike at about, I think, 59 in change, million in buyout money if they were to fire him this year.

Now, here's the plus side. He did take a one year reduced salary, so you only have to pay him six and change this year. And then he goes right back to 10, I think. They have lost eight conference games in a row in a godawful ACC. They can't get up for any games, except Alabama. They got up for them this year. They're not built. Like there is no future there because they've just relied on the portal.

So they haven't recruited anything. So even though it's bad this year, normally it's bad, but maybe you look ahead and say, okay, when our young guys become juniors will be good. They don't have that there. Right. So I don't know. With 23 transfers going into the year. Yep.

Yeah, that's brutal. Going on coaches that might go to bigger and better jobs, possibly, Texas Tech, McGuire. Is he a possibility at a Penn State? in the hypothetical world than Nebraska a hypothetically an Oklahoma

Michigan I wouldn't leave there if I were on there's a hypothetical world there's a there's a more I think a more hypothetical world with Michigan than Nebraska wait a second

so on the hypothetical tree I mean the maze and blue lines I was above the red one I was with you in the hypothetical you're like more I'm like I'm seeing odds it's the search starts

and ends with Matt rule And you're like, hypothetically, like, it's even bigger. We'll see who's laughing at the end of the season. He took the knife out of Penn State's hands and gave it to you and you put it in his neck. It's crazy. A tale is oldest time. A tale is oldest time on this bus.

Hey, you know what we need to do. Oh, Joe, the buyer's son is at Nebraska? That's good. That's news to me, actually. That is, is that real? Yeah, yeah. No, that's real. He's on his staff.

He's on coach rule staff. Things might be up in Nebraska, hypothetically. Hypothetically. We've already gone through a coaching change and everything. I just went to equalizer with Denzel where he takes the gun and points it back at him. I'm just thinking to myself, we're having fun. We're having a good time out of here. Listen, Lubbock, Texas. Do you think he'd leave? No, you shouldn't leave. Okay, my bad. I want to take you guys out there. I don't know that business regularly takes either of you through Lubbock, Texas. I just don't think you guys regularly, like, travel through that part of Texas. So it would have to be a one-off.

Their facilities are off the charts insane. They've got unbelievable money out there. Cody Campbell, all those commercials he's doing, like that's the same guy that bankrolls Texas Tech. He is tied into Texas. Joey was a high school coach for like 30 years. There's been a coach in Texas for 30 years. Most of those were Texas high school.

So he's kind of just uniquely woven into the Texas culture. And so the jobs I think he would leave Texas Tech for were if the Texas job or the A&M job ever came open and they offered him. state. Yeah, like, I just think he fits there. I think it'd be a total fish out of water at Nebraska or Penn State or whatever. About Oklahoma. Maybe Oklahoma. Maybe Oklahoma fits.

Just a small little. Maybe Oklahoma fits. Because you talk about the blue collar, but we got money, the whole thing. But yeah, Texas Tech. Texas Tech's awesome right now. They seem like true contenders. Yeah. We could actually see them playing in the National Championship.

Yeah. Them in Indiana both. Yeah. You can't see through them right now. You really can't. Kurt Signetti, buddy. I love them. I think he is hilarious.

His name is coming up basically any potential job that could be happening. What do you see with Signetti? It makes sense that his name would come up. Like if I were Penn State, I was talking about Matt Campbell so much, I got to tell you, because I left out some context, I would call Signity before I call anybody. I don't get the feeling Kurt Signetti's just in a hurry to leave Indiana for Penn State. People don't realize how much money he makes there.

He's making as much at Indiana with his renewed contract as James was making it Penn State. So you're already matching the dollars. You've got way less pressure on you. You are now, and as long as you want to be the face of Indiana football, there was no before you. There is no shadows. You are Indiana football. And also, do we just know that he is dying to go to State College, Pennsylvania? I don't know that. I've actually heard the opposite. Now, maybe if some other jobs came open, maybe he entertains that. What other jobs are he entertained? Well, I mean, we just got the news that Michigan is going to come open. Like, Michigan is highly likely to come open.

I would look at, I'm just saying, I'm just saying. You think Signetti would want to go to Michigan? Dude, yes. Yes. The Michigan job is, you're not turning that down. No way. He could be sitting in this chair less than a year from now. Yeah.

Welcome to Michigan. You'd want him over Charleau, right? No. Shraumaul is rolled. He's woven in the fabric. championship coach. I mean, he was the head coach during Penn State, during Maryland, which I said in the last championship year was going to be the hardest game.

Ohio State. Like, he was a part of those. I wish he was on the sideline in Nebraska. That's it. I've hurt people, hurt people. So I do have a question. What we just saw with Penn State and James Franklin, like the whole very, very good. These years, obviously he didn't win a championship there, but Davo Sweeney, could there be

any movement with Clemson if they were to drop, you know, Just another real game. You know what I mean? If they're going to lose a couple more games, but if they lose another bad game, like what are there conversations happening at Clemson? Not that I know of. That one would be off the radar out of left field to me. I know when you say conversations, I know what you mean.

There are absolutely conversations of, hey, what's our future going to be? But not conversations of, hey, we got a meeting tomorrow morning 10 a.m. We're about to discuss immediate termination of our head coach. I don't think those conversations are happening. happening like North Carolina though with Belichick oh I think that that's that's a that's a no-brainer but you got to think about how many jobs we're stacking on top of each other right now at some point you got to look at the coaching market and say might we just wait a year do we really want to compete against all of these other programs that are

coming open JP had a great take on this when who they lose to we're at Clemson they lost to it and this is when Davo was kind of having to crash out the podium maybe George yeah it's probably Georgia Tech and JP is like Clemson's got to remember remember who they were before dabbo because they were nothing right they were it was just a bad it was a bad program it's been too long and it like you lose dabba who is like you say woven in the fabric of a culture like he is clemson you got to keep him there let him die there yeah brian kelly will be gone by the end of the yeah okay j p just said brian kelly will be gone by the end of every coach besides who brian day let's put a list together of guys who will keep their

Yeah, that's what it's turning into. We can't finish the sheet. The Brian Kelly thing, that's another one too, is they win that first game against Clemson, the recalibration you're kind of talking about is like, oh, shit, we're, that's all we needed. We want a season opener. Yeah, we want a season opener. And now it's like, yeah, it is Brian Kelly. Is he safe?

Because I know there was like a whole lot of oil and water type of mixture when it came to LSU, Baton Rouge and Brian Kelly's personality. Yeah. So right now he's winning. Yeah. Well, he's also. He's awesome. He's coming up.

He's another guy who's got this not quite Oklahoma stretch in the second half of the season, but he's got a tough stretch. Now, I will say, as we're sitting here talking, it's the Monday following the South Carolina game. They only, would they score JP 20? Yeah. Yeah, they only scored 20 the other night. Two red zone turnovers. I actually thought their offense showed more promise than I've seen at any point this year. Doesn't really matter if it doesn't click.

That is one of two places, LSU and Oklahoma, where neither guys on an immediate hot seat. and I'm not saying they are. Those are two places that because of the schedules they're about to play could turn on a dime down the stretch. Hot seat talk could crank up immediately. And those are two places that view themselves rightfully so as organizations that are built very strongly. And if all you had to do was remove the star above the Christmas tree

and put a brighter star on top of it would be a very desirable tree to be placed on top of. I love that. It's really technical terminology. I'm sorry if I lost you there. Yeah, I followed. It took me a second, but I got there. You want to be a bright star and a nice tree.

You don't want to go have to find a new tree in the woods. Right, right. The tree's nice. It's decorated. We got the tinsel. We got real popcorn. It's not even the fake popcorn. Do we do that every year in my house?

It's a headache every year. They do it in LSU. In Oklahoma, too. Yeah. I'm fucking sitting there. I love how college football is such a roller coaster. This is the most fun year for it. Yeah.

I think these are like one of the, this is like one of the best years in college football. Yeah. Because anybody, it feels like can beat anybody. It's just up in the air. One more thing. I was talking to like 50 agents yesterday. And one thing they kept saying is something that's right in front of your face and you're not realizing it that we're having to deal with right now is we have been used to forever towards the end of the season. Guys get fired and then coaching searches start to happen behind the scenes.

But it's always, it's never going to be public or finalized until the end of the year. All right. So if you don't make a bowl game, it happens early December. And if you're going to a bowl or maybe if you're going to playoff or national championship, You agree if you're a coordinator, Kirby Smart once, stayed with Alabama through the national title game, even though he had taken the Georgia job. That was the old school way of doing things. But no one used to fire guys in October. Now everyone's getting fired in October, and these agents were talking to me yesterday and they were saying, you know, we're not hearing from these universities they want to wait to the end of the season.

They want to do the search now. To walk that through to a conclusion, what that means is, theoretically, if Penn State were to try and go get Signetti or, or go get Matt Campbell or go get someone else. They want it to happen during the season. I don't even understand how that functions. Yeah, so if they went and got Matt Campbell, we'll use his name. Would they say, okay, we've hired Matt, it's November 5th. Matt Campbell is the next head coach of Penn State,

and then Matt Campbell just goes to Penn State? Or does he coach at Iowa State for the rest of the last two games? I think he coaches, like say they're playing, say they're in the college football playoff. Like he coaches through, or maybe, who knows? but he's finishing out the year but it would probably work the same fashion it would like the NFL to where somebody might somebody's going to leak it

it's not going to be the the team coming out saying this is going to be our next head coach because to your point what's probably going to start happening is these coaches these staffs are going to be interviewing during the season over Zoom

you know on the phone they won't be flying and going face to face unless because that right there again you're going to that's going to get leaked it's all going to get leaked it's all going to get leaked, but staves are, like, head coaches are going to be interviewing on the phone, on Zoom during the season. Not just head coaches, but, like, coordinators as well.

Who's the OC from Missouri? Just talking to. Yeah, it's all good. We can figure out his name in a second minute. He already interviewed for the Arkansas job. Yeah, middle of the season. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go.

But are you hearing about any coordinators in the college football circuit that could be potential hot names? Yeah, Kirby Moore is his name. Yeah, that's right. more. Yeah, tons of them. But I don't, I think it all works downstream of which head coaches leave and which head coaches are available.

Yeah. Like there are a lot of places where if you look number three or number four on their list, it's a coordinator. But that's contingent on the first three names, which are head coaches not being available. So it's, and then what, what normally happens in this kind of cycle is, okay, current head coaches climb up the ladder and fill the openings. And then those jobs, like if the Indiana job were open, if the Iowa state job were

open if some other job were open. Those are the places that look at a coordinator. Historically, that's what happens. If John Summerall were to take the Auburn job, if it opened, Tulane looks at a high-profile coordinator. That's probably the way that goes. Yeah. I want to, I know we kind of brushed over it a little bit. We talked about UCLA being 2 and 0 and they should be 2 and 0 at this point. We should all just, we should erase everything from the prior head coach. But I remember a conversation you bit with Colin Coward. I clicked on the link and I listened to you guys

talk about UCLA and how bad of a job it is. Your stadium is 45 minutes from the campus. You're the second best recruiting team in the city essentially. And now all of a sudden

they're two and no. Who's the, is it? Tim Skippers is the head coach. No, no, no, who's the O.C.?

Jerry New Heisel is the face of the team. Yeah. Jerry New Heisel is the face of the team. Is that now, having that conversation with Colin Coward,

is that now a job that's like, yeah. New Hezel seems like he's the perfect man for that job? If I were them, I would probably go that route. I don't know the UCLA job as intimately. Like, I've had more conversations about the UCLA job over the best month

than I've had my whole life. Very eye-opening. And what it shows is apathy towards the football program. They don't have their NIL affairs in order. They don't take it nearly as seriously as basketball. And they love to tout how rich their alumni base is. But it doesn't matter if football can't tap into it. Frankly, Arkansas has had some of those problems recently.

Really? A ton of money in northwest Arkansas. It doesn't matter if the needle doesn't go into football, how much money you have. And then at least at Arkansas, you know everyone cares. At UCLA, you have the added burden of trying to make people care about football, which is a very unenviable position to be in. Like, if you're trying to make people care about football in a country that's football obsessed, you're probably just in the wrong part of the country or in that case in the wrong part of town. Even Riley struggled with that at USC though.

They packed the Coliseum Saturday, but that's called Michigan's in town. and because they may be winning, if they're not winning, they don't draw anything. And that's USC. So I still think the same thing I think about the job. It's just maybe they caught lightning in a bottle and they found out the answer was in their building the whole time. Yeah.

I mean, that's a good answer to have. That's what I enjoy seeing with the UCLA position, is just having like, because he played there, right? Sure. Yeah. Just having a little sicko, somebody who understands the culture, who understands, like, wanting to bring this brand back.

He's had some success. He looks like a brewing too. Blonde hair, blue eyes. He's got the wave going there. It's like this guy's perfect for UCLA. Seems like he's having a blast. Getting this opportunity. I think that would be an awesome.

I don't even know what Tim Skipper looks like. I feel like, you talk about the face of a program. He's the interim head coach. I don't even know what this guy even looks like at all. There's Tim Skipper. There he is. Wouldn't have guessed. Full transparency.

Would not have guessed. Sherman is brought up here. Does a three-lost SEC team make the college football playoff? Yeah, probably more than one. Yeah, that's why Saturday is important. Listen, I know we're in October and no one's like thinking this through. All right, last weekend, Arizona had BYU on the ropes and they let them off. They let them off the hook.

No one's thinking about the ramifications for the SEC when BYU and Arizona are playing at 1 o'clock Eastern time in the morning. But it's big because if Brigham Young keeps winning those close games and they're sitting there 11, and one are undefeated versus a nine and three SEC, they're going to get the playoff nod later down the road. All right. So that's the first thing to think about. Second thing, this Saturday, if Notre Dame loses to USC, they're going to be out. Right now, a 10 and two Notre Dame versus certain nine and three SECs is a legitimate playoff debate come December. All the nine and three SEC teams will get the nod over a nine and three Notre Dame because they will have lost their only two high level games and lost their third one. So they will have lost their three games against

their three biggest opponents, elsewhere, their strength of schedules, garbage. So a lot of these games outside the SEC are going to have as much impact on this as the SEC games themselves. Then in the SEC, what you want to ask yourself is right now you've got 10 teams with zero or one conference losses.

You've got to start having some separation. You've got to start having a few teams separate instead of just a bunch of two, three, and four lost teams because at that point it gets really hard to differentiate two from here, two from there. But I think the, over under on three lost teams is like one and a half and I'm going to take the

over by the way. So I'm setting the number and then taking the over. It sounds fair. Yeah, I think three lost teams are going to the playoff. Really? God. And that means other three lost teams are going to get left out because you're going to have a bunch of three lost teams, I think, in multiple conferences. Confrey. So I don't know. Confrey. I don't know.

A&M's undefeated guys. Old Miss is undefeated. Old Miss goes to Georgia Saturday by the way. Ole Miss was in a dog fight with Washington State. Doesn't matter because they weren't even aware they were playing Washington State until about 11 a.m. Saturday morning. They've just been busy prepping for Georgia. So don't worry about that. Okay. Not going to worry about that. Let's talk about more coaching hypotheticals, Lane Kiffin. Florida. It's it. That's Florida. Is that, does he, because there, I don't know if I heard this, made it up in my head. Who cares?

Seems like he kind of wants to go. I don't know if he does or not. I think he did once upon a time. He may still want to go. I could find you people who know a lot about that situation who would swear he'll take the job. I was of that opinion. Yeah. Okay, we also know he has talked a lot publicly, including in a documentary that just got released like last week about how woven into the fabric of Ole Missy is now. I moved his family there, this and that. That could be BS. He could be lying to you or he could mean every word of it. Yeah. I don't know. Can you bring up the AP, the AP 25, top 25? You just want to look at it? Yeah, I want to look at it. I just want to get his opinion on a couple things because he's got the commissioners poll.

Yep. That slowly is making its way as the number one poll. Then the AP catches up a couple of weeks later. AP catches up a couple weeks later. We're bringing it up here. Twitter, interesting way to go about it. Yeah. What an opportunity you have at the bottom of this list.

Cincinnati being 24, Nebraska being 25. Oh, to correct it? To correct. Correct the historical record. And also it's like in your mind, when you were breaking down all the college ball, like thinking about an Illinois being unranked because they've gotten mopped by Ohio State

and they got mopped by Indiana. USC being a one-loss team, that one loss being to Illinois, even though they did get mop, their two losses are to the number one and the number three team in the country. Like when you're looking at the AP poll, who are they missing on this week?

Who do you think that's like, hey, you know, is Illinois ranked in your commissioner's poll? or else on the chart. And for the love of God, you better, are you moving up Georgia Tech? Georgia Tech's probably about, I haven't done the Commissioner's Poll. It's Thursday.

So I like to marinate on these things. We don't want to make emotional decisions. You're right. But I do want to say, I do want to say the Notre Dame Texas conundrum confounds me a little bit. Texas and Notre Dame two loss teams. Texas, I think, was 21st.

Notre Dame's 13th. And Texas has two losses just like Notre Dame, but Texas has a win over Oklahoma. A top 10 Oklahoma. Notre Dame's best win is what, Boise or Arkansas? Like they don't have a quality win. I guess they're saying because their losses are to top five teams, then that kind of carries more weight.

But at some point, I'm asking, doesn't winning the games matter? Like you lost to good teams. Okay, but the key word there's lost. And Texas just beat, I don't know, I'm not that upset about it because they're both two lost teams. But I still think Vandy's a little bit too low. because I don't think Vandy was in the preseason anything.

And so what I think people are doing with Notre Dame all the way up at 13 is I think they are reverting back to their preseason expectation of Notre Dame and they're also projecting. Because now everyone who thought Notre Dame was going to be good, they're looking for any reason to believe Notre Dame's good. And by the way, they probably are good. And now they're projecting, they'll keep winning. So we're going to proactively bump them up to 13, whereas Vanderbilt didn't think they'd be up there. We begrudgingly had to put them up there. the moment they go lose to Alabama will knock them down. And meanwhile, they open as a favorite against LSU.

Vandy, a point spread favorite against LSU in the fall, Don't Lie Tour game of the week. Yes, 11 a.m. kickoff. I may walk to the game. Yeah. I also think it's crazy that Washington is not ranked. Their only losses to the number one team in the country. They weren't invited to the party.

And they were in that game, too, regardless of what the score says, like they had opportunities to win that game. Are you on board with Oregon potentially being on fraud alert with their only key win being Penn State? Because people are saying, oh, man, the Penn State win is fraudulent now. I look at that the opposite way. Do either of you think that Penn State would have imploded had they beaten Oregon? No.

I don't either. So if Oregon caused that, I'm not going to knock them because the team they killed played dead the following two weeks. I'm going to credit you for killing that team. So no, they got beat by a good Indiana team. Like at every turn, people are trying to find a way to cut the legs out from under Indiana's resume. Maybe Indiana is just really good. Maybe Oregon's just really good. That wasn't an impressive win, though.

So I fuck with you, Josh Bates. Yes. Last question before we go, because we have Greg Olson coming up. Of all the head coaches that could possibly take a job this offseason, who is, in your opinion, the best head coach? The two names that have come up the most is Matt Campbell and Kurt Signetty. Campbell is younger, much younger than Sig. So Matt Campbell would be my answer. Matt Campbell, people just forget how much of a wet bag of garbage the Iowa State football program was.

And he has made it so consistent an idea that you can win there that people are taking it for granted. This is not James Franklin at Penn State. This is a historically terrible program. And Matt's won there. They went to the big 12 title game last year. They won 11 games last year. They're down two starting corners, lost their nose guard and tailback in the game the other night, down to their third string kicker.

Like, that's the reason they're. losing right now. They have no depth. Plus, they just sent two wide receivers to the NFL draft. You should never be doing any of that at Iowa State. So that guy, that guy is good. He's my number one. Signity number two? Yes. Do you have a third? Let me think on that. I'll see you Wednesday. Yeah. This has been eye opening. Eye opening experience. Every single job in college football is open. Yep. Isn't that crazy? Except Nebraska. Oh, A. Is there anything about Bamer? Should we be worried about Bamer at all? No. I don't think so either.

After that Oklahoma, after that Oklahoma went Saturday, he'll be fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hell yeah, what happened? Nine and three. That's right. Josh paid everybody breaking down the college football world. We're going to take a quick break,

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Are we rolling? What do you think we're doing? Game planning. Salt, pepper, sugar packets? Hey, salt and pepper. That's in the NFL. We don't do that in youth football. We have some different calls. We can't tell you about it, mine.

I see you, Luke, on the... drawing up the game plan, four linebackers on that little clip I saw. Yeah, it's just a four-four. Luckily, the production company blurred it out, so I didn't see exactly where we were lined up. Perfect. I can't give all the secrets away, you know? I'm trying to get off for whatever.

Me and Luke were, I was streaming my computer to my television so we could watch film. And I can't get it off. How do I get it off? I don't know. I got it. All right. We're back. We're back, boys.

Before we get into, what was the result of last week's game? 32 to 0. 32-0. And I know, hey, listen, I know we don't coach the score. We coach the process. Talk to me about the tackling, the coverage, operation on offense. Like, I need to hear it all. Luke will start with you.

We had a win team, so not a lot of coverage. We had one ball that almost got over our head, but luckily, we had a good pass rush. The tackling was good. Greg's, what is it? They had 28 plays for 26 yards. Yeah, 28 plays, 27 yards. God, to love that. When you're dealing-

We gave up one first down on a little jet. They actually had a nice little concept. They formation, you know, wanted us and ran a little shotgun speed pop. And our kids were all chasing the back and they kind of just popped it to the fast motion guy. And he got around our edge. That was their one first down. Now, is that where you're getting in Luke's ear or you're pretty confident that he's going to get the defense corrected? We got to make some adjustments.

Well, the reason, I'll be honest, I didn't get it anyone's year because I coached the D-Line and our right edge, our right end was the one who ran inside and didn't keep the edge. So it was actually my fault. Now, when you're looking at your league, we know the NFL is a copycat league. Can we say the same thing for Pop Warner? You see that jet sweep and you're like, hey, maybe we should throw that in our bag? Oh, we run a ton of. We run a lot of jet sweep.

I'll just put it that way. Yeah, let's don't give up too much. I know. Not giving away a lot of our secrets. The other coaches are definitely watching right now. Luke, Coach Keekeley, when you're going against a wing tee, how much are you getting in the head coaches here to get a little extra time at practice? Because I understand this is a big eyes game.

We've got to be very disciplined. We've got to be very good with our eyes. Any subtle motions happening. You need a transition. How much are you trying to capture, hey, we need an extra period for this wingtie look. We're about to face. Luckily, we played against it four times in the last two years. So we've got a pretty good feel for.

But you don't need a practice with the ball. Everybody just needs to be in their gap, do their job, eyes in the right place. and if you try to make somebody else's play in the wing tee, that's when the ball pops. So when we practice, we don't practice with the ball, do your job, play your gap, play physical, and tackle the guy in your gap, and it's pretty straightforward. It's a no ball period.

It's a no ball period, boys. Yeah, you guys, I know the season's coming to an end, right? We're getting close to the final. Wednesday's last game, man. Last game. Do we got playoffs? Is there champions? Like, oh, this is just, we got to win this one,

put a bow on top of an undefeated season. We got to win and just put a bow. this team is good. We knew they were our last game of the season. They're good. They've only lost one game in overtime, so they could be undefeated. They're good. They got some talented kids. They're well coached. This is, this is probably going to be our biggest challenge of the year. What about this team do they do so well? I know you guys, I don't know if you watch too much film yet, but are they big motion or are they just, our guys. They got a couple good athletes. But that, you know, at this age, obviously, when you have a couple good athletes, you build

everything around them. So we got a work cut out for us on defense. They're, they got a good back, they're a quarterback, they can run, they can throw, they're fast. So we got to get hats to the ball. We got to tackle. We got to get these guys on the ground because they got two kids that on any play, they could score. Coach Keekely, what kind of chip are you building on your shoulder? Because just what I'm hearing, the rumors on Reddit, there's a lot of message board chatter, talking everything else, that talking a lot of shit about your philosophy, the way you coach ball saying you close the fridge with your hip, lay on your tummy at night, do a lot of things that, again, they're building a lot of bulletin board material. I'm wondering if you're hearing the

noise and how you're approaching this week. Hey, we do the same thing when we talk to our kids about. We don't worry about the outside noise. We believe in what we do. We believe in our scheme. We believe at attitude, effort, and intensity. And we believe in the game plan that we put forward every week. So all that bulletin board material, how I close the refrigerator, I don't think it really matters. Are you the type of coach that whenever you're getting stops or tackles for loss, you're yelling at the other sideline saying, Google me, look me up. Like what that's for,

for saying that about it. That's like what Signetti does. You said Google me. Yeah, and he's a dog for that. This is a question for both you coaches. And if you follow college football at all right now, there's a lot of head coaching jobs being lined up. A lot of people maybe being plucked from one place to go to another.

A lot of rumors are swirling around the Pop Warner culture that Luke Keekeley is one of the head guys for a head coaching job in that league. I don't know what rumors you guys are looking at right now, but your Reddit sources I don't think are super true. You see, I asked a question about you leaving. Now, Greg wants to stand up too. No, I didn't like that. I was sitting and he was standing. It made me feel very uncomfortable. Is this, Greg, do you, are you concerned about Luke Kikley taking a much deserving head coaching job in your league?

The advantage that I have is I'll out pay. I can outbid anybody in America. Oh, you got oil money. You got oil money in Pop Warner. Yeah, I'm like Texas Tech now, right? Well, we're just outbidding everyone for players, softball pitchers, facilities. So the good thing is like there's nothing anyone could offer Luke that I can't match pizza, buckets of beer, date, you know, Monday morning film session.

No, we're not talking about the Panthers. We were both calling the game yesterday. We're not talking about the Panthers. We're talking about getting our boys ready to finish the season strong. So I think he values that over money. I think he values that over prestige. So I'm confident that our relationship is stronger than any rumor. Yeah, Coach Olson, with the landscape of trickling down from NFL at college football,

it's coming for high school. And these coaches kind of position themselves with nice buyouts. if they do make a move. Just asking both of you, Luke, are you looking at structuring your contract a little bit differently if there is a buyout situation happening? If there's one already in place, what is the buyout look like for Luke Keeckley

or Greg Olson or Coach Stewart? Are you guys, are these conversations taking place in the youth football community? I think if you position yourself for a buyout, you already are thinking about getting fired and we don't have that mindset. Our mindsets, we're just going to win, we're going to coach well,

we've got a great relationship. You guys are just trying to drive a wedge in between us. Oh, no, Coach Keeley, this is year four of this. We've never been closer to year five. We've never been closer in our lives. Now is not the time to get defensive, Coach Keeckley. We're strictly just reporting the news too. I am 1,000 percent.

I am a thousand percent trying to drive a wedge because if these young kids are going to learn, they're going to learn about the reality of the media. This is pro ball out here. Look at it. They're getting uncomfortable. They're moving around. They got the cameras going, We're like professionals.

What do you guys say to the rumors swirling about you guys taking the head high school football coaching jobs? Because we've received a couple of texts. They're Charlotte Area Code. And they're going by the name. Don't worry about it. 5-7-3. 5-7-3. People are saying, and a lot of coaches in the high school world are talking shit.

Like, look, they can do it in the Pop Warner World. There's no shot they can do it in high school. You guys hear those rumors. Greg goes, he travels with his son. His son's going to be playing high school ball here very soon. Yeah. We have been very clear. We have a great relationship with the high school staff, Chris James, the varsity coach

at Charlie Christian, good buddy of mine. I make it very clear to everyone. Our job at the middle school level, yes, we want to win. Yes, don't get me wrong. Our job is to turn over as many good football players, as many kids ready for high school football to him in ninth grade as humanly possible. We sent him a class last year. are now freshmen, our tailback from our eighth grade team right now, Jamal, Jamal Rule,

who's the kid going to Nebraska, the running back, he broke, he hurt his thumb and had surgery, so he's missed the last couple weeks. Our backup is a freshman. He played for us last year as an eighth grader, had never played football before. And now he's playing on varsity. He had two touchdowns Friday night against a really good team out of Georgia and is playing real ball. He's played one year for us. Our goal is how many of these freshmen in every class can we have ready to play high school ball, whether it's as a freshman, a sophomore, junior, who knows, but we're going to give them another really good class to back up that one, our eighth graders this year, really good. Our seventh grade class might be as good as any of them, if not better.

So as many of these classes that we can prep hand over to the varsity to kind of build this thing from the ground floor up, that's our model, that's what we're trying to do. And we've been very clear where our support lies, what our roles are. We are the farm system. We are. We are the farm system. are the fundamental foundation of the Charlotte Christian football program. We take great pride in that. We believe doing it at that level and letting these kids grow up through the program is the right way to do it. It's the best long-term way to do it. And that's what we believe in. So it's safe to say you're, you know, in the immediate future. Let's just say 10 years. 10 years they're going to have this farm system in place, middle school football, Greg

Olson, Luke Keakley, coach Stewart, just 10 years is probably aggressive. Okay, just I didn't know. I didn't know what kind of future we're looking at over there. Doubling down on that. How old is your youngest son who is going to go through this process? Seventh grade. So we got five more years. Five more years?

Well, they go to high school right in ninth grade, correct? But he's letting the fan base know. My kids are right now eighth and seventh. Okay. So I got my son after Wednesday. He's got four more years of high school football. He'll be a freshman in next fall.

And then my seventh graders got five years left. He'll have eighth grade and then four years in high school. So I got five more years after this until my three are all gone. And that's where our emphasis is. Can we get a five-year grind? And again, I want to be very clear of what we're doing here. There are a lot of schools around Charlotte that import kids on a daily basis. Kids are changing classes, changing schools mid-season.

We got kids transferring after week five and then going to show up and play quarterback on another team five days later. Like what you see happening is happening here in Charlotte. We have kids that want to come to Charlotte Christian. If we could get everyone in, it'd be a lot easier, but we can't. So you get in a couple here and there, but we don't have open enrollment. We don't have open admissions like some of the other schools we compete against. And the reality is this is the harder way to do it, right? Like this is a bigger grind.

And we don't shy away from it. We're going to continue to coach the hell out of these kids. We're going to continue to coach our kids. and build that core and build that. It's no different than at the college level. If you don't recruit well, you can only transfer portal your way so much. High school football has become the transfer portal, at least here in North Carolina. There's always going to be an element of kids coming into the program.

That's common. But you have to add good kids to an already very good core nucleus of players that understand your culture. That's the secret. You see it in college. It's no different than in the high school world. So this is, again, I'll clarify. I'll see if what I'm saying is correct, because this sounds like pretty big breaking news

that Adam Schaefter would cover. Charlotte Christian can feel good about having this staff in place in the middle school era for the next five years. I want to be clear. We are going to coach the middle school team one more year next year. We are going to get this current seventh grade class that we're coaching now. We will get them to high school.

How we manage doing, you know, do we start helping out with some of the JV stuff to allocate some time to there as these classes get older before they're ready for varsity. I don't know. We will coach the middle school team. Okay. One more year next year,

get my younger son up to high school. Contracts out. And then maybe some sort of hybrid middle school JV type world while, you know, my kids are in ninth and tenth grade. This is exactly why Greg Olson has such a great career on the podium and he's doing so great now. He's so well spoken. He's saying,

we'll do the JV and we'll do the Pop Warner. But we know. When it sounds like he doesn't want it, we're going to have a head football coach for the high school. Coach James, he doesn't know what's coming. And I honestly don't blame him. I want to stay as long as possible.

We're not starting that rumor. We're putting that rumor to bed. And you're doing a great job right now. You're doing a phenomenal job. We'll put the rumor to bed. I'm going to put the rumor to bed. I am not eager, nor do I really want, whatever I want to be a head high school coach.

That is a 12-month-a-year job. I could not call my games. Like, volunteering, doing what we're doing, what we're doing now as a program accessory, as a program kind of helper is one thing. Coaching real high school ball, if you want to do it right, is a seven day a week, 12 month a year, full-time job. I'm not doing that. Maybe Luke wants to do that.

I'm not doing that right now. Some people saying you don't love it enough. Oh, Coach Kinkley. Coach Kinkley, when you have, you know, this next year going into the final year your guys' contract, When you have seventh graders hitting the portal and wanting to visit Charlotte Christian, what is your message to them knowing they're not going to get you for the full two years at Charlotte Christian? Well, they'll keep growing. We'll still be part of the program.

So they might not get us that year, but the next year will be still there. So they just got to continue to learn and play hard. And you want to come play real football? You got to come to Charlotte Christian? I love that. It's our slogan. We play real ball. We play.

Yeah. Hey, we have so, Luke, and by the way, whenever this, your guys is season, and ends. Again, invites on the table. Both of you guys, Greg, I know you travel around a lot as well, but open invite to join the boys in the locker room or NFL. 45 minute flight, really easy. We'll put you up. We'll do the whole thing. Quick flight,

45 minutes will feed you really well. Commerodery will be high. We'll be with Clay Matthews and Delaney Walker, but where I'm taking you with this question, Clay Matthews has a very competitive kindergarten flag football team. He's under a lot of heat right now from the outside noise and the fan base

and the parents that are with that team, because he went into championship Sunday and apparently didn't play all the kids because he was trying to win a football game. Now he's taking a lot of heat for not playing all the kids. Care to comment, both of you guys? Every coach's worst nightmare. I'm shocked that there's not playtime rules

when we used to do the kids at the younger level. When we did Pop Warner, when Luke and I and my dad did Pop Warner a couple years ago for a few years, there was minimum playtime rep. So this was, what, like, fifth and sixth grade, we had minimum plays, and they had somebody who actually sat

on the sideline with a clipboard and had to check off. Every kid had to play, what? 10 plays? 10 plays. 10 plays. Minimum play time. So we've always had in the football world,

there's been rules in place when we did flag football when the kids were small. Each kid had to play like a quarter or whatever. There was like ways to quantify playing time. So I don't know. Listen, I'm not judge.

in anyone. We have not always gotten it right. It's very easy to get caught up in the moment of trying to be competitive and trying to win at the, you know, kindergarten. Six-year-olds. Yeah, even I'm like, let him get a rep. I mean, they don't have to get the ball. Greg, Gray, Clay has lost sleep because that trophy. They lost the game. They were in a, they were in a tough one. And he's trying to win a game. All the kids don't get in. It's five on five. I think his team carries 14 on the roster. It's a lot of kids. That's his first mistake. But he's lost sleep over not having the championship. And after, you know, he's still bleeding.

And a lot of parents, he's hearing a lot of noise. You didn't play my kid. A lot of emails take place, a random text messages from different area codes. Yeah. Coming out at him right now. So it's tough. Luke, are you trying to win a football game or are you making sure you getting all the boys in? Well, luckily for us, we can get them in before the game starts.

We play a fifth quarter. So all the kids, we get 12 offensive snaps, 12 defensive snaps before the game. we get all our kids in. So once the ball kicks off, we're trying to win a football game. The rules for the Pop Warner that Greg talked about helped us out a lot. And then that fifth quarter before the Christian game helps us out a lot because all the kids get an opportunity to get a couple reps every game. So they know they're going to get in. And then when we play the real game, we get our kids in there that can go play and help us win football games.

So I think we owe it to the kids to go out and try to try our best to win the games. And if the score and the time in the game dictates it, we can put the other kids in and get other. kids opportunities because I think the best thing that we can do is try to prepare our seventh graders for live action next year. So it's the eighth grader and the older guy's job to help us get ahead, get a lead and put those young kids in to give them an opportunity to play for next year. Just a couple of season vets right now. They knew all these questions were coming. They've read everything we've read as well. Even if they did, they just know what it's about. They just know what they're doing. Absolutely. I'm just shocked you guys send so much time on message ports.

Hey, listen, well, that's what friends do, Greg. Like, We sit there, we're like, oh, Greg's our friend. You might say your friends, but your message boards just try to drive wedges. Do I have a buyout? Am I going to coach somewhere else? And what would a friend? That's a really good point. Would a friend allow all that noise to keep happening or give you the platform to be able to sit there and say, listen,

this is not true. This is true. So we're giving you guys a massive platform for you guys to say, listen, I know everyone, everyone's eyes are on Charlotte Pop Warner football right now. Let us be very clear about our attention. Charlotte Christian Pop Warner. Boom. It's not Pop Warner.

Listen, it's under high school, it's Pop Warner. It's a blanket thing. That's how it goes? I just think how can I motivate these boys? How can I give them some multibor material? How can I give them some fodder? You know, I know a lot of people from your area tune in. They want to know, are we going to have a staff over the next few years?

I'm trying to do my journalism as well. I think they tune in because they hope we lose. That's exactly where you want to be, too. You kind of want to be hated in that world. You got you got a love it. Coach O's, go ahead. If you guys win this game, game. I don't know if the league gives you a trophy for going undefeated or will you guys go out

and get your team trophies saying, hey, undefeated season. Maybe rings. No, probably not. You know, I think that would go against everything we've preached to the boys all year. I want to make sure we're consistent. Like, playing to win and being out there for the sole purpose of only caring about winning, I think are two very different things. Like, we believe winning is a byproduct. Like, winning is a byproduct of how we prepare as coaches and the plan we put in. And then winning is a byproduct of how we practice today. And then our film study that we're going to do after and how we prepare and how we warm up and how we execute. Like we believe if we do all those things, winning will take care of itself.

Right. Like we will win if we do all of these things. We're not going to sit here and say rule number one, win. Because then I feel like we're losing all of the development. We're losing all of the pieces that we all understand prepares these kids to play in high school, prepares these kids to be really good varsity players at some point in the next couple years. So if we win every game, great. If we don't win every game, fine.

Like we understand what we signed up for. We're going to try to win. We're going to do everything in our power. And then after the game ends, sure, we'd be 7 and 0 if we were fortunate enough to win or we were 6 and 1 if we weren't. And the conversation is, did we get better? Did we develop these kids? Did we develop an attitude and toughness around football that we can carry over into high school? like we want to make sure all those things are right.

We feel like if we do all those things are odds of our winning any given game, this game two weeks ago, whenever it was, are in our favor if we play well. If we don't play well, this team can beat us. I'll tell you what,

if I have an error, I want to play for you two. You do. That's a thing. You do. I don't have an error. I don't have a boy. I thought you had a boy.

No, two girls. Two girls. Got it. They come by on. cheerleader squad. Yeah. Yeah. I love, I love for my daughter's cheerling.

I love for them to cheer for your teams, I guess. Yeah, I love for them to cheer for your team. If I ever have a boy, I'm moving to Charlotte. Yeah. Perfect. You guys are all girls? All girls. Four girls.

Some in the water on that bus. It's, I think it's the size really than anything. Just there's always a. I think it's a seaman. Who is it Cobb? I think it's a seaman. I think it's, yeah, but there's also like that. I think it's God's way of saying like, you're too masculine.

Yeah. Yeah, you're too masculine. Yeah, you guys. too much masculinity in that. You guys were dogs. You guys were too much of dogs. Playing on that gridiron. We have to give you a girl to cut myself down a little bit.

I love that. We have to talk some NFL football, for quick? Yep. I got six minutes. Perfect. I love it. Let's rapid fire.

Panthers go and beat the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas Cowboys defense is absolutely terrible. But Bryce Young has himself a nice game. Are we going to be surprised after Bryce Underwood, Bryce Young gets benched last year. playing better now. Are we going to be surprised when the Carolina Panthers give him an extension? Well, I think they got to figure out what they're going to do with that fifth year option first. That's the big thing going into this offseason. And I think Dan Morgan and Brandt Hillis and those guys in the front office are going to try to figure out what they want to do there.

I think Bryce has played a lot better in spots, obviously through the interception yesterday. That wasn't his fault as a slant that got dropped. And I thought at the end of the game, Bryce took us down at the, with six minutes ago to go score and win. So he's played better in spots, I think all we're looking for from this team is just more consistency. I think we're good up front. We've run the ball really well the past couple weeks. And for Bryce, I think it's protecting the football and being more consistent. And we got plenty of games left to figure out what they want to do. So I think the biggest thing before an extension gets figured out is what do we do with that fifth year option. They'll have to figure that out this offseason. Have you watched much Dallas

defense tape, Luke? Yeah, they struggle, man. I mean. Is it not like when I'm watching like I'm sitting there and it's surprising to me how stagnant the back end is on their pre-snap keys and everything else they feel i know that they've mixed in a lot more man recently but those first several weeks i feel like they're just kind of they're just kind of showing you what they're doing and they they're so they're so vanilla with cover two and everything else they're not they don't have an all-world roster but they're not doing anything uh you know defensive philosophy wise that like help them out you know when they're going to blitz because they're all lined up across the line of scrimmage. But are you surprised when you're watching kind of this Dallas team operate defensively?

Yeah, I just think, you know, watching it, especially last week against the Jets and then watching some of the game yesterday, a lot of just too high shell with two deep safeties. And for us, that's what we do best is run the ball from under center. So anytime we get that too deep shell like that, Bryce is either checking into a run or sticking with the run. And on first down, we're averaging almost seven yards of play. And a lot of it was based on the run game. And then we had the ability to throw some play action off of it. And I think for us, you take a light box with our offensive line, what RICO's been able to do.

And I tell you, the biggest thing for us yesterday is I think Dave Canales and I have done a great job of dialing plays up and calling plays and calling them at the right moment. So yeah, Dallas has struggled defensively this year, obviously. But I think those guys in the offensive side of the ball did a really good job of calling stuff. Heading over to the NFC East. You got the Giants defeating the Eagles on Thursday night football largely. due to the Korea team Caucasians,

Camp Scataboo and Jackson Dart. Do you think the way both those guys play, definitely not sustainable long term. However, right now it's the most electric thing we're watching in football. Do you think they can will this Giants team into possibly being, I'm not going to say NFC

East Championship, we still have the commanders there, but maybe a wild seventh, you know, make the playoffs. Can you see it happening? I mean, I guess you could see anything happened. I mean, I saw them before Dart even took over, again, coming off what we're just talking about with the Cowboys' offense, they very well should have another win. I mean, they, they lost by a 64 yarder at the

end of regulation in a game. They scored 40 in overtime against Dallas, in Dallas, when Russ went off and threw for a thousand yards or whatever, you know. So, I mean, we've seen them play well. I think their defense is really good. Obviously, Scataboo and Jackson Dart now are the toes to the town as they should. They're fun. They're, they don't take themselves too serious. They're letting it loose. All that is all fun as long as you continue to win. But I think defensively, I think they're pretty nasty, right? I think the Brian Burns trade has obviously paid off. I know he was leading the league in Sacks. Is he still? I don't need another one now. He was going into yesterday. I don't know where he stands now. But, you know,

Abdul Carter, Kayvon Tibadoes and playing well. Obviously, they got big Dexter Lawrence in the inside. So, I mean, that defense, they invested in heavily is playing really well. And then obviously Scataboo and Jackson Dart have given them a little juice, giving them a little energy. I think losing neighbors at some point not having that go-to guy is going to catch up to you at some point. Listen, could I see them sneaking in as a seven seed? Yeah, I mean, why not? I mean, we've seen teams that don't even have a winning record.

We've been on one. We made a playoffs without a winning record. So you never know in the league, would I bank on it? Probably not. I still think Philadelphia figures it out. I still think Washington is a good team. Dallas is a threat just because they're going to score 30 a game. You're going to have to win in a shootout.

At least that's what it shows. So the division's still challenging, which always makes the path a little bit more difficult. What you're doing to Camp Scadaboo and the agab, Luke? Play with good angle. He's a young guy. He's a rookie. You can't let a rookie run through you. Dude, hey, do you see the Zach Vaughn clip on the sideline?

Back to backs, right? He's physical, man. Bro, physical. He kind of had Zach on the side. He runs. shoulder down. You know the Checo just wants to run through your face? Yeah.

That's how Scataboo is. He's the same exact way. Yeah. He loves the contact. Oh, loves it. You see him just having a helmet on, just headbutton the brick wall on the outside. His mom came out and said he used to put on his older brother's shoulder pads when he was little and just go run into the telephone pole.

Whatever works, I guess. Like I said, not sustainable. But my God, this is going to be the most electric four or five of your career we ever see at Camp Scataboo. Dude, what are you guys, uh, what are you seeing? from the Philadelphia Eagles. I feel like they have, the problems are kind of coming to the surface. I feel like they are four and two right now.

It could easily be a one and five football team. If CD Lamb catches the deep ball in week one, if they don't block the field goal last year of the field goals. Yeah, two field goals against the Rams. They don't block a pun against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Obviously, I'm reaching more with that one. But to me, it seems like all the stuff is coming to the surface about the Philadelphia Eagles. There's a lot of frustration.

It seems like Jalen hurts his whole. under the football, just not spinning it when he has the opportunity. What are you seeing when you watch that game? Yeah, you know, I've called a lot of their games over the years. I think their roster is as good, if not better, than anybody in the league. I think offensively, some of these conversations have been going on for a while. I think they still got to figure out their passing game. I think last year when Sequan's busting 75-yard touchdowns,

what seemed like a weekly clip, at least through the playoffs it was, it can kind of hire little things. When you're that explosive in the run game, it makes up for some. some of the limitations in the passing game. Personnel-wise in the passing game, there's no reason they shouldn't be better. Talent-wise, the two receivers got her. They got the best two tackles in the lead combo. So they should be better.

The thing that surprised me the most against the Giants was the defense. Like, I, you know, that Vic Fangio, they're talented, they're young. I know that obviously didn't have, I don't think Carter played, right? Jalen Carter should play. He was out against the Giants. So obviously that made an issue. but like I think defensively is where they got to get back to being dominant, right? You look back at last year, the Super Bowl run, top defense in the league, a uniquely explosive

running game. And then the next factor was we still could get vertical on you in the passing game to AJ Brown and Devante Smith and hit chunk play. So like when your explosive passing game is your like third best thing you do, you're going to be hard to beat. I think that was last year's journey. So if the defense and they can't get Sequin going, now all of a sudden there's a lot more emphasis on the passing game, and I think that's the biggest difference between this year and last

year. Yeah, I love it. I know you got to get out of here. The last thing I'll ask you about is Kansas City Chiefs. They got Rashid Rice back this week. They just had a dominant win over the Lions who we all thought was the best team in the NFL or the Chiefs back. What do you think? I think they have a lot more weapons than they have in the past. They got worthy Hollywood Brown. Kelsey played well. Pacheco. Karim Hunt, sounds like, looks like like Mahomes is playing better last night and then they can rush the pass from the defense side of the ball. So I think they played some close games earlier. They lost by a real small margin those first few weeks. And I don't know. I mean, I don't think you can ever count those guys back. Count those guys

out. And now they have a more physical presence on the inside. I think they're going to be just fine. Anything sneaky you're seeing in the NFL right now that you're like, hey, this is a team that's going to, you know, be the cream of the crop come the end of the game. I think Tampa Bay is really good. I do. I do. I do. If they ever, if they could ever get healthy, they didn't have anybody. I mean, they don't have a soul out there. And I know San Francisco obviously was too. So give them the, you know. I hate that Fred Warner went down.

Dude, I know. Disgusting. Sickening. He had a disliked it. 49ers just seem like they cannot escape the injury curse. But this goes back years. But Tampa Bay, I mean, Mike Evans stand on the side room. I think Godwin.

They lost. Ambuka. And Bucca. I mean, they have, I think, Bucky Irving was out. like there didn't with it worst not play too i know that worst played last i caught the game i got home from my game and i kind of watched it in passing as i was getting organized but like the point being baker might be the MVP of the league right now in the top two or three he's literally willing them to win and um what are they five and one i mean they're they're really good

yeah that that that run on third and what 14 that it's hot from baker may field. He is, he is a truly willing his team to win. Guys, good luck.

I thought this was a nice treat. Oh, no, dude, this is awesome. This is everything and more you could possibly ask for

on a Monday morning. That's my king. That's my king right there. When Fred Warner went down yesterday, it felt like any time, you know, Luke would go down

and I'm like, man, he's going to play the next week is he out for the season. It just kind of breaks your fucking heart. That's my king right there. Boys,

all eyes on the championship. I know it's not technically a championship, but we're rooting for you. Ignore the noise. you guys. Don't worry. We're dialed in. We'll keep the Reddit people in Bay. Love you. Appreciate you. See you. See you. See you.

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