Bussin' With The Boys - Josh Pate, Will Compton & Taylor Lewan Predict The 2025 CFB Season

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

Welcome back to The Locker Room! This year, we are splitting CFB & NFL between two episodes, and this is our future's episode of College Football. We are joined all season long by the future College Football Commissioner, Josh Pate! We make our predictions on SEC, Big 12, ACC, Big 10, National Champions, and Heisman Winners. New episodes every Wednesday at 6:00 PM. TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 14:25 SEC Predictions 28:29 Big 12 Predictions 40:43 ACC Predictions 46:51 Big 10 Predictions 59:47 National Championship Predictions 1:05:15 Heisman Winner PredictionsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Just been tapping all morning. I went to bed last night. There were two things going on my head. One, that fucking pitch. The second thing that was going through my head is, I can't believe I get to sit at this studio. with you two fine gentlemen and talk a little bit about football. Not even me, though.

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Only in Nashville. T-shirt, baby. T-shirt. Put it on there. How are you feeling about the reaction of the collaboration of Bustin with the boys in Josh Pate's college football show? Unbelievable. So we did it the other day.

I go to the gym. The show gets uploaded next day. I'm at the gym, been there two hours. It's been up two hours. And we're getting left and right comments. Love it, man. Hey, hey, like this. Hey, hey, a couple of guys said they hadn't even subscribe to the channel yet.

And they have subscribed because of that. And then probably several more on the other side. So the neighborhood's talking. The neighborhood is talking. I've been diving into some Josh Pate lore a little bit. Do we have to put a disclaimer out there that you got paid for the show? You do. You do if I got paid for the show.

Okay. What a mess that was the other day. What a mess that was the 99% of people? Yeah, I'll go in and somebody like jab him on something about getting paid for a show. I don't know what the inside. I don't know what the context or anything is. But I feel like it's like an audience where they battle back and forth. There's some trolling going on.

There's some fun being had. It's normally people who have been in your DMs asking you to be on their show. And you like haven't gotten back to them. Right. Because you were busy. All the time. And then the week later you do some random appearance and they accuse you of being paid for it, which I wasn't. They weren't even talking about this.

appearance. And then everyone jumps down their throat and then they want to apologize to you in the DMs, but they're really not sorry. They're just sorry. They got called out. Yeah, they're just leaving salty. Oh, that's the dude you ratioed into oblivion. Then I think he deleted the tweet. His fault, man, hadn't he deleted it too late. He waited it. He went to all day and then he deleted it. It's a law of this world. If you think you're getting ratio bad and someone's not going to screenshot that thing. Yeah. It was a screenshot, man. It got screenshot. Anything this is the first, this is your first time on camera since the first pitch, anything that you want to talk about,

because it's went from a lot of levels. Like right when you threw it, I kind of the look on my face, you're walking to me, you're like, catchable, catchable. Then it's like, you know, reality starts to set in. Now you realize. That's a good place to start. When I throw the ball,

it's like a son looking at his father being like, please tell me that was good enough for you. And so I'm trying to give you the answer that I want by saying catchable, catchable. You come up, your face says it all. It's like, yes, it was catchable? Was it the result we want to know? And Josh and I were talking about this before.

It's like if that happens in St. Louis a couple of months ago, this whole redemption pitch story thing never happens. It's like, yeah, it's a little high onward and up where we keep moving forward. Because the pitch happens at Cardinal Stadium, then we take a few months. We get 1% better every single day. We're going. I'm pulling you to the side every single day, being like, hey, we've got to get a couple throws in. Pate's talking, we've thrown.

Everybody who walks in this building has throwing a baseball with me. And then I go and take a flight to Kansas City to throw that. I mean, we checked a box, but at the end of the day, like, is checking a box what blessing what the boys is all about? No. It's about truly meeting the standard, and we did not meet the standard. So I need to reevaluate my level of athleticism. I need to reevaluate the choices that I've made in my life.

I need to understand that right now it's football season, so I have to take my own selfish wants and needs and put them to the side because we've got a big slate of college football and NFL football coming up for the next six months. But eventually, we've got to go back again. Eventually I've got to. Yeah. I mean, it was a family affair. Like you said, everybody in the shop has played, you played, didn't you play catch with them?

Yeah, he did, absolutely. Everybody's played catch with them. When you go out there, it's like, I think of it as you've trained all off season and you go or you went through all these wrestling tournaments. And you're sitting there, you're grinding it out with your old man. It's a family affair. You got the coaching staff. You got your teammates. And you go out there thinking, it's not just podium.

We're trying to get the gold medal. Yeah. Right. And you come out of that tournament with a ribbon. Can I tell you this? And the kids, did I do, you know, how much work did we put in here? First spill of the year. Yeah.

Like, did we waste our time flying out here? I don't think so. If you learned a lesson, you didn't waste your time. But I got to tell you, so I was, as you guys were there, I was live on the air last night. We were up at Penn State last night. I didn't have a laptop on set because I needed information. I had a laptop on set because I was refreshing it, waiting for updates. And the video dropped during the show.

and I looked at it and there's a moment in the live show where I just do a deep sigh and there's a moment of pause and the production crew they were kind of like on their phones and they look up because they're silence and I just kind of

you know I do the hand motion it's okay you guys wouldn't understand it's okay I told this dude to pop three Nykel he didn't he went and just he sailed one a little bit I didn't pop the NyQuil

and I think that was mentioned too in the hallway maybe I should have actually done the NyQuil but I thought you were trying to get me no I was trying to save you I sounds like it it sounds like it

and listen there was a moment about a week and a half ago. Jeremy Clemps sits there and he's like, you just seem too mechanical. Like you look like you're like trying too hard. And then so I just started ripping it because you work on the little processes and then at the end of the day like the 40,

you've got to just, you just got to run. So I'm just throwing and it's starting to go. Now we get to the game, we're starting to throw a little bit, a couple good ones, a good slew of like could be betters and then we finish strong. One I had to stand up on my hey, lock in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I go, we go, we do the tour, They're giving me the tour. It's a wealth of information. The guy that's taking on this Kansas City Royals tour. It's awesome. What a great franchise, all the things. However, I'm not thinking about that.

I'm thinking about I need to grip it and rip it. We get to this Fandual TV thing. There's a gentleman there who had 354 saves. He said, I like to give you a little bit of, you know, a critique or something. When I see your throw, you're out here. You have to be essentially 100% perfect to put the ball where you want it when your arm's that high.

You've got to come over at the top. Yeah. And instead of just gripping and ripping, I'm in my head thinking about coming over the top and my release point was a little high. You can't have it by the deal. You feel it in slow motion that time. St. Louis, that was a whirlwind. That was, I can't believe that happened. Oh, my God.

This was like a frame by frame if you slowed down in a video. Like the whole time I'm thinking, what are we doing here? Like you're thinking about what this guy's telling you, not just doing what you're supposed to be doing. Yeah. Speaking of frame by frame, let's go frame by frame in each of these conferences this college football season. What do you want to start, Ted? All right.

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Should we just, should we let the big dog eat right out of the gate and just start talking juggernauts in the SEC? I'm down. SEC. Time me up. Yeah, I mean. Josh Bateson, listen, you're the, you're the college football expert. To me, there's three teams that I juggle in my head

between Texas, Georgia, and Alabama. I would love to hear your breakdown. I got a couple thoughts of my own, but I would love to lean on the college expert in how you've broken down the SEC. SEC throughout your offseason. All right, can I ask you this? So you said, Texas, Georgia,

Bama were your three juggles. Yes. There's a fourth in there, too. I don't, is it LSU? Yes. I, for whatever reason, I just, I think they can be really good, but something,

just something about the staff, something about Coach Kelly, that I just, is he a national championship? Is he an SEC champion in that conference? I mean, when you got Kirby Smart, DeBoar, Sark.

Like, hold on. if I were a detractor. Okay. So you're not knocking Brian Kelly, but you're putting a question mark on his forehead. Why does Sart get a pass? What has he done that Brian Kelly hadn't done? I don't know. So if I can be kind of personalized about it,

I feel like Sark has a swagger and a player coach relationship that you don't necessarily see with Brian Kemp. Or else we haven't necessarily solved with Coach Kelly. Kind of operates the consensus. You know, he's got where he does this. the accent stuff and he has his own kind of fun but he operates kind of like a CEO so to speak where i feel like sark he does have that that player relationship you feel that player all you when you talk to anybody about sark in the coaching world and the player world they talk about how

much they love sark so you're right like what has he done but i just feel like if i was if i was differentiating the two yeah that's kind of like how i would see it with sark and i feel like sarke has his guy with arch even though he's not proven yet i feel like they they are operating with the monster. That's what scares me the most about Texas is all this talk and potential about Arch Manning. It's kind of terrifying because he's been a five-star athlete. I think he was the greatest thing to slight spread. He's got the pedigree, the bloodlines, everything. And now it's like, now we actually get the seed now. That's where I pull myself back a little bit on Texas. And the thing, just to double down on LSU and the difference between Sark and Kelly is, when you

look at Sark and you see the Texas logo, something about that gel, that's a peanut butter and jelly feeling where you're like, I can understand why that personality, that head coach is with that brand and that logo. Brian Kelly, who's still a great college football coach who's at Notre Dame forever, he doesn't have this like Coach Ode did with LSU. LSU feels to me like from a culture standpoint, you need a very unique personality to uphold the brand of the LSU Tigers. And Brian Kelly just feels like he's a great, he's a great college football coach. But does he fit the mold of the Cajun, Baton, fried lifestyle of the whole state of Louisiana. Yeah.

Who every single Saturday wakes up and they're saying, go tigers. They're spelling it a goofy way. They're tailgating from Wednesday all the way until Saturday. And they have that insane electricity atmosphere. It's like, does Brian Kelly feel the same way that LSU feels to the public? I don't think, I think there's like a little bit of a disconnect there. Sark, I don't feel that disconnect between Texas, Austin, Texas, and Sarkin. First off, you said the exact right thing.

if I were to take your side on it, that's exactly my answer to my own question. That's the edge that sarcasm over Brian Kelly. You're describing culture. You're describing fit, like why a guy would work one place and wouldn't work another. Yeah. That is not nearly as talked about in the NFL, because NFL franchises or NFL franchises. There's a difference in Buffalo and the Texans, but it's not nearly the difference in Michigan State and LSU, for example, in college football. I mentioned those two because Sabin was at Michigan State at one point, and he goes to LSU. He's lived in the South in his life. He's never coached in the South in his life. However, unlike BK when he took the LSU job, Saban looked and said, everything about Louisiana, I want to

like put my throat, I'm put my hands around the throat of that. I want that infused. And Brian Kelly, I think, kind of said, no, we're going to do it the Brian Kelly way. Louisiana this, Louisiana, that doesn't matter so much. They're kind of paying the cost for that right now. And they're trying to get back to that way. But I think that what you said right, I would therefore put Texas in that lead pack. I would put Georgia in that lead pack. I'd put Alabama in that lead pack. I went with Bama to win this conference in a kind of nod to the OC hire they made in Ryan Grubb, who they had for like five minutes last year before he went to Seattle. They would have had him on the staff last year. He comes back. I think what I trust with them is at quarterback, Ty Simpson will not give them the

highest highs that Milrow gave him, but he definitely will keep them from the lowest lows that Morrow gave them. That entire offense last year was so schizophrenic. There was no identity. So you had no clue what you were getting week to week. So if you're an OC, how in the world do you game plan? Because you could go beat LSU by 30 like they did and then go get beat by Oklahoma by three touchdowns like they did. There's no consistency in performance. They got the players. They got one of the best wide receiver rooms in the conference. Easily, I think, the best and deepest DB room in the conference. Line of scrimmage talent is good. It's Alabama. Just like Georgia, they should get back to running the ball this year.

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dudes, he's 6 and 0 against Sark and Kirby and Dan Lannig, which we all agree are three of the best in the country right now. And DeBore, in his time at Washington, goes 6 and 0 against them. He's just himself with better talent now. So I think year two, there will be a lot of concerns that are eased a little bit for folks who think Alabama is just about to fade into the abyss simply because Nick Sabin's not there. I think that's what people, a lot of people that aren't Alabama fans kind of want. The rest of the country wants it. The rest of the country wants it because Alabama has ran college football for so long. And I think as an outsider looking in, my feeling is what does that pressure look like to DeBoer when everyone's like now whispering about if 8 and 4 happens, how could 8 and 4 possibly happen at Alabama?

about how do you lose to a Michigan team in their bowl game where they can't even throw the ball? Like, where is the disconnect between Nick Sabin and DeBoer? Because they're completely different coaches. When we were there for the spring practices, they're talking about how there's music playing now. They're a little looser in the meeting rooms. They're having more fun when Nick Saban will run an extremely type ship. And I think we're so used to just feeling and seeing like one culture in one place for so long, that's hard to imagine it any other way.

So that's where when I'm looking at it in my dumb brain, I'm like, do I go into Alabama? Do I buy an Alabama? Or do I kind of ease back a little bit? Because I'm not sure from a cultural standpoint, which, you know, when I look at the sheet, I go a lot by the culture. And like, what do they do? You could take different pieces and put them in, but the culture is still the same. I don't know what Alabama's culture is. And that's why I get a little weary about them.

But I'm going to tell you what makes me nervous because you were just talking about Texas. What makes me nervous is I was out in Austin this spring. Like, they've lost players. They got a new quarterback, at least a new starter quarterback in R. So, like, there's a lot of the questions you would ask about him. But Sark said, we've been building towards this year. Right. Like, this is the year we've been building towards.

All of these are my guys. The entire building is full of my guys. So even though we may be replacing starters, the guys we're replacing them with, those are the ones we're banking on. Those are the ones we have recruited and evaluated and developed. And he said that without blinking. And I just, that burns in your mind because then you go and you do something like picking against Texas. And it's like, you know, fractions of inches here and there. And I just don't want to find myself feeling stupid in December because he gave me the answers to the quiz in spring.

And I just forgot about them. I think it is like fractions and inches with those three teams, Texas, Georgia and Alabama. If you give a nod to Georgia, it would probably be the coaching staff. You give the nod to Alabama. They're probably the deepest. You give the nod to Texas. I think they are equipped just like those other two teams, but I think their schedule is the most favorable out of those three. They have the easiest schedule out of those three.

Bam and Georgia both have tough schedules. And I know it's like Archie isn't proven yet. And I don't know how else to explain the belief in Archie Manning, because we've had, you know, fortunate enough. We got to have Peyton sit on the show and talk about the how they kind of handle everything with Archie, how level-headed he is. And the belief is just more so I guess Latchie. on it's like you know when apple just makes a product and you you don't know you might not even know what the product is but you know it's going to be a banger it's like the manning's historic like all of them they've all been good and with archie the hype there the way sark talks about him him being

at texas all of these things about them it's just it's just a feeling of i just believe it's going to happen and i that's why i'm going to go texas because again i think they have the the most favorable schedule granted everybody stays healthy and if archie manning is who everybody's talking about him being, being a Heisman contender. He's the Heisman frontrunner right now. But being a Heisman contender, and if that offense is operating in Sark system, I like them to win the SEC. I think all of us, I didn't take this team, but I think LSU is a team that we're kind of all sleeping on a little bit. They got one against Clemson, Clemson. I think JP dropped this little nugget of me yesterday. Clemsman has won a home opener versus a big team since 2019.

It's a good opportunity. What was that? LSU had a season over since 2009. Okay, so that is the opposite of the opinion I was going to have because I read the one. I think two years ago, LSU's defense was abysmal. Last year they got better. I think they took another step this year. They have the most quarterback ready for the NFL and Garrett Nussmeyer. It's like, can they take those step?

If not, we might be looking at a situation where you're halfway through the season, you're like, is Brian Kelly really your guy? Those whispers started happening last year. My pick, and it's a cultural pick, it's Georgia. Before the show, we started talking about the wide reason. receiver room being the alpha in Georgia, which is never even heard of. Wow. You have a guy like Gunner Stockton who is weighted, sitted back, and kind of just waited his turn.

But I think you see a guy like Carson Beck who kind of fits the mold of Miami a little bit more. He's a little more flashy. And a guy who's going to leave a program, a big program like Georgia because of his girlfriend, can't buy stocking that. I don't want to be around that. Gunner Stockton's a guy that's going to be able to get it. And when he'd go in the game last year whenever Carson would get injured or something, I feel like the team would like rally.

Yeah, they would be. juice for him. I feel like there was some talk of like kind of way Quinn Ewers and Arch Manning in a much lower sense. Like anytime Quinn Ewer's didn't do something great, everyone's like, well, where's Arch? We should put Arch in. I feel like it was a similar feel for Carson Beck and Gunner Stockton. Remember this. They play Texas in the SEC championship game. Beck gets hurt. Georgia is trailing when Beck gets hurt. So Gunner Stockton comes in and with him at the helm, they come from behind to beat Texas for a conference. It's not like they had a three touchdown lead and they held on.

That's that same thing with the Bo Perbula kid, who's the quarterback at Missouri this year. Penn State was on the ropes on the road against Wisconsin. Aller goes down. They have to come from behind with their backup and win. So like whether it's Stockton, whether it's Perbula, these guys aren't totally unproven commodities. They haven't like had the QB1 tag for a whole year. But like you're right.

And also he's a homegrown kid. He's from Georgia. Locker room loves him. So they'll go to war for him. They'll like facing the fan for him over. a cliff for him. However, it all comes down to their O line for me, like to circle back and I'm going to give you the stage back. But if you tell me they've got a Georgia offensive line, I have no problem trust in that kid. Yeah. See, I lean so much more on the wide receivers

and the ability like Mike Bobo, the OC, he is a guy that he's got a little bit of criticism for it, but playing more latterly than he is vertically. So if you run into that Georgia offensive line, that locker room, future days. This thing is going crazy. was throwing up up there. But Mike Bobo, as the OC, he has gotten, the criticism you got, if you're a Georgia Bulldogs fan is he attacks too much east and west, not so much north and south. So as much as you hate the screens and the bubbles and all those different things, they get a lot of hate because they have aliens in the wide receiver position. So I don't necessarily worry too much about Georgia when it comes to their offensive line.

They're going to have their five-star guys. They're all going to come from like, you know, down south or corn fed boys. They're going to get after it. But if they have, you know, know, Zachariah Branch and Noah Thomas. So Zachariah came from USC and Noah Thomas came from A&M. Those guys step up and they gel. It's not about Georgia playing great in September other than Tennessee. It's about them playing great in November and December. And getting traction similar to the way Ohio State did at the end of the year last year.

That wide receiver room, just those names you're mentioning, they may just be names to people watching. Georgia fans know them, but they may just be names to people. So you think wide receiver, there's just like this 6-1-180-pound kid in your head. Yeah. They've got that, but they've got some six four, two, twenty in that room. Like, they've got a variety of personnel in the wide receiver room. And you were just saying what we were talking about earlier. I don't want it to just kind of get glossed over that you said the wide receiver room could be the alpha room at Georgia.

At Georgia, think about how crazy that statement is. With the running back rooms you've seen come through there, defensive line, lineback. You would go like six or seven rooms deep before you ever mentioned receiver. And yet they were so focused because they like. led the league in drops by a mile last year. Position led him down horribly. That's why I think Carson Beck has a decent chance to surprise people at Miami this year

if guys just catch the ball for him. And if he's healthy. Yeah, that's like this side note. But if Georgia, they've got wide receivers that play like that, you haven't seen that with them. We haven't seen it, so we don't even know how the team profiles.

Yeah, and then also Kirby Smart. Like you talk about, we bring up Nick Sabin all the time. He was essentially Lord Voldemort of college football for the longest time. How you kill Voldemort? I kill all his whore cruxes. That horrocks is Kirby smart. He is just a living, breathing version of Nick Saban, possibly the best head coach in all of college football right now.

So it's like, how do you bet against a guy like that who's proven it time and time again? I'm going to tell you the one thing that I have in my mind. So Georgia would have been my pick. This is the one thing that talked me off of them, barely. They're starting, they got a lot of first or second year guys in their too deep, more so than Kirby's had to deal with, which, you know, you don't feel bad for him. It's just something. I don't think they simplify. how complex that defense is just because they got younger guys. It doesn't happen until it gets the middle of the year

and becomes a problem. I think what happens in the middle of the year is they get Texas and Ole Miss and Alabama rolling in Athens. Okay, so home field's definitely on their side that Block G is on their side. The way I see those games going, if you had to like, you know,

give one percent edge either way if you're trying to pick the conferences, Georgia's not going to be a bad team. There's no world where that happens. There is a world where they're a really high-level team but you've got like one or two busts per game or you can't quite get home. And, you know, against Kentucky, that may not matter.

But against Steve Sarkeesian's team and Kalyn DeBore's team and Lane Kiffin's team, you've got some of the best play callers in the world there and Ryan Grub calling plays for Alabama. Like against those guys, the difference in that game is one or two blown assignments. Those are the best in the world at exploiting young guys that you're having to start on defense.

So if the league swings either way, that's what talked to me off, But I'm just standing over here. I'm not out of the room. I'm just over here saying, yeah, they can still do it. They could still do it. Absolutely. So where are you going?

I'm going Georgia. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I've been talking about Georgia for the last 10 minutes. I figured that was clear. But I'm going Georgia. You went on a raid about LSU. No, I talked about LSU.

You're talking about the culture in Alabama? When you sit there and you're talking about Texas, Georgia, Alabama. It's like those are the three teams. It's like there's three. But that fourth one is like three beat. Like it's right there. And I think Brian Kelly could be a guy that's talked about no matter what. But whether it's him losing a job or him playing for a national championship.

Like, those are the two different LSUs we're looking at this year. One thing I was asking you, the one thing that I just wanted to have on camera, on record, for when people watch this in December, is there is a thought out there. You would see it in the fan dual odds if you went and looked it up right now, which is just implying what the market thinks. It is Alabama, Texas, Georgia, LSU. Like, that's a solid front betting for. Then there's a little bit of a drop-off.

And then there are like five or six other teams. You got Florida, you got South Carolina. Tennessee's in there. And I just think that we're in a new world where there's a lot of compacted nature at the top of the league. And I don't think people have recalibrated their minds yet. I still think people think in terms of a lead pack. And it could just be a lot of 10 and 2, 9 and 3. And we're deciding it based on tiebreakers in December. And you look at all the professionals that talk about college football. I feel like every good team is 10 and 2 this year. Like we're going to have like 16 teams. No one's predicting 11 and 1 for anyone.

No. Aside from their own fans. Because no one wants to be on the hook for that. No one wants to be in December saying, how could you have ever predicted anyone to go 11 wins in this chaos? I just think you're going to have some eight and fours that were really good. South Carolina just randomly to pick a team. South Carolina could have the best offensive and defensive player in the league. Sellers on offense, quarterback, and Stewart on defense at edge, could be the best players in the league. You say that with Ohio State, with Jeremiah Smith and Caleb Downs. You could say that in the SEC about South Carolina. We haven't even mentioned them. In the league race, we haven't even mentioned them.

And I just think that if you're looking at this like a ladder match, it used to be you had a bunch of teams on rung three of the ladder. Well, you can extend fully. You can't reach the belt. I think a lot of teams are on like the fifth rung where it's still tough, but like if they fully extend, they're within reach of the belt. There may be a team or two ahead of them on the ladder. That's where you just got to take a kneecap out.

But I just think the league's a lot more competitive this year than I've seen it. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun to watch the SEC. We've got to get to another conference before we get coined as SEC. We're already running long. The show's already running extremely long. We're already doing what we thought we'd do. Big 12. This is Josh Bates' favorite conference.

Yeah. Our boy Shirm, he loves the big. Sherman and Young, our boy, Sherm loves the Big 12. I was talking with Josh before we got on the show, and the Big 12, that's where I've spent the most time because I'm trying to figure out where I'm going to go. Like, I have my pick. And a matter of fact, I'm sitting here talking. about I have my pick. I forgot what pick I even delivered into the show because I've went back and

forth on so many different teams because I was asking Josh, I'm like, what concept is going to rise to the top with Kansas State? It's like you are not with Kansas State with the Big 12. My pick is Kansas State. It's like I know the floor of Kansas State. I'm familiar with climbing, got to go out there when he was at North Dakota State. And he's a massive culture guy. We know what we're going to get with Kansas State. Can they tap into a new ceiling with Avery Johnson taking a step and making a lead because he had some iffy moments last year. They go out in the portal, they round out some guys in their wide receiver room, they plug some holes on the offensive line. Defensively, they're kind of, you know, they can be good, but is their culture going to get

them over the hump this year? Is it going to be Texas Tech with McGuire where they go out and acquire all of these guys, build new facilities, have all the theatrics, talking about, I know Josh will get into it with their two and three deep, what they have on defense. But is that acquisition? Is that going to be it? Because they're the most talented. Is it going to be your boy up in Utah? The old dog, was it, Wittingham?

Kyle Wittingham. Kyle Wittingham. Rides a motorcycle. Only Big 12 coach that rides a motorcycle to work. Allegedly. And they grab the OC quarterback duo. Is that philosophy going to win? Baylor, Arizona State, both of those teams return a lot of their guys that they had last year.

So it's, I have no clue where there's going to go. I want to say Fandul has about what, two or three teams, at plus 550, two or three teams at plus 600. Like, there's like six to eight teams that are all right there around the same odds. And I have, I have no clue. I'm going Kansas State because I kind of have a soft spot with climate. I do with Dillingham too. But kind of, I've always enjoyed watching climate operate from a culture standpoint.

And I feel like Avery Johnson's really good. I feel like they have the talent. They have some big boys up front. They have the trenches kind of built. So I'm going to lean on them and just hope they raise the ceiling this year. But I could see Baylor. I could see we can get in Arizona State. You don't love Arizona State.

I'm not in love with Arizona State like everybody else has talked about. I think Scatabo is going to be a huge loss. And I could also see Texas Tech. So I don't know. So you, the defending Big 12 champs, ASU, you think the reason why they don't do the same thing they did last year is because they lost Scatabo. So ASU is a team that returns a lot. lot of their production from the year before. And I do, I think, I think teams have, you know,

teams have continued to get better in the Big 12, like we were just mentioning, Baylor's return, a lot of guys. Texas Tech went out to get a lot of guys. You've got the, the culture, the climbing, you know he's going to be a three, four lost team at least. So you're going to have those, and that's not even talking about Utah. That's not talking about, you know, I know you can be high on, on Kansas. Iowa State with Campbell, like they have a pretty favorable schedule. So my thought on Arizona State is, I think Scatabo is going to be a big, than people think about because they were in a lot of fourth quarter games last year to where you know they have scat plays they have playbooks for scatibo to where you would have to lean

on scatabode scatabot would have to make a play i think sam levitt is awesome i just i don't see them as like a clear this is going to be in the front of this big 12 conference because i think everybody else is kind of caught up to them and everybody else will be able to compete with i don't disagree with some of the things you said i think my pick is going to be as u uh i think kenny dillingham obviously i went to high school of dillingham i got charlie Vives guy. He's amazing. Yeah, Fives guy.

Kenny Dillingham, and I mean this is a compliment, reminds me of, like, when you're all sitting with your friends watching a football game and you got the one guy that's like, hey, he should have fucking caught that, he should have done this. If you took that guy and made him head coach, that's Kenny Dillingham. But with more football savvy, like, he's in press conferences being like, we suck right now. Like, someone's going to go three and nine. Why don't we go three and nine?

What a quote. He is a guy that allows his dudes to be who they want to be. You got Scatabo and Levitt before the college football play. playoffs talking all this shit in the world. Scataboos talking about how he's the best running back, not Ashton Genti. They're going to prove a whole thing in a lot of ways they should have beat Texas. I think the big thing about Kenny Dillingham, the big thing that changes ASU's culture is that Kenny Dillingham has publicly said and we all publicly believe he's not going to go anywhere. He's not. And ASU for the longest time, as long as you can remember since like 1976 when they

won a Pac-10 championship, every coach has gone there has used a stepping zone to get somewhere else. Now you have a place, Tempe, Arizona, fun spot to be at. You got this blue mountain state vibe of ASU. Sam Levitt's probably weighing up a little bit hungover right now in a nice apartment in Old Town Scottsdale with three blondes around him. He's getting $3.1 million at NIL. He can sling that thing all over the yard. And then everyone's saying, Scadabo, Scadabo, Scadabo, Scadabo. I made a couple calls.

I looked around. I called some coaches. This guy named Kyson Brown. They call him Sip. Guy averages 4.3 yards per carry. He's a fast guy. We're talking about a 10-7. type of dude in the hunter when he was in high school.

Kanye Udo came from Army, all right? Salute the troops. Right after the Army Navy game, he was the first guy to go into the portal. This guy had 1100 yards, 10 touchdowns on 179 carries. This guy is a zone gap scheme type of guy that's going to get downhill. He's going to get those dirty three and a half four yards for you. And there's one more cat. Let me take a little peek ski.

Relie Brown, transferred from USC. He was at ASU last year. He got injured. I believe it was camp. Rumor is from the coaching staff, guys healthy, he's a take the top off type of cat. He's a dude that Sam Lev's going to be able to wheel and deal, throw it out of the backfield too, put him out in the slot a little bit, give him some screens, and he's going to be able to have the home run ability.

All three of those guys, just because you have a running back room by community, doesn't make it a bad thing. You need, you have these three guys to take over for that one guy, Camp Scada bow. You've got the attitude. You've got the ability to instill a culture, and it has to happen this year in the B 12 by taking over and doing it two times in a row. They should have beat Texas. Listen, I'm not saying Arizona State's going to have a bad year.

We're talking who's going to win that. I don't think you're disrespecting ASU either. Because I agree with all of those things. I think, like, if you are who you say you are, this is when you put you cemented. Because right now everyone's looking at ASU and being like pitchforks, everybody, you know, it's plastic surgery and booze out in ASU. That's what they do there. Now you're able to turn to a football culture.

And Kenny Dillingham's that cat. I'm gonna tell you something. No one told you in Kansas City last night. I'm really proud of you. Thank you. You just rolled. I'm picking Arizona State. I got nothing to add.

I'm almost gonna be tempted to mention other teams I didn't pick because you so thoroughly broke down the Sun Devils. Kenny Dillingham could have watched this and learned something about his team. That's how proud I. Golf up? You let everyone else cook knowing I'm sitting on Arizona State over here. When we get to Arizona State, I'm rolling.

Yeah, we're rolling. I do want to say this. You mentioned this team one time. You said Kansas. No one cares about Kansas. They're just out in the middle of nowhere. And prediction-wise, they're out in the middle of nowhere. No one's predicting them.

No one's picking them. Jalen Daniels has been chronically injured his whole career. He came back middle of last year. Down the stretch last year, I thought they were the best team in the Big 12. They were playing at the highest level. But they were terrible at the beginning of the year, so it didn't matter in the standings. But I took a mental note. And then I checked back in in spring.

Hey, Daniels looks good. Check back in early fall camp. far, fingers crossed so good. That's the team, if you're looking for someone to come like staying from the rafters just out of nowhere, it's probably Kansas. Utah makes me the most nervous because, like you said, they did the Oklahoma thing. They went and got a quarterback and an offensive coordinator from the same team. Now, in their case, it was New Mexico. No one's paying attention to that. Whittingham, all he was doing was winning nine or ten games a year. They had one bad year and everyone wants to write them off, again, because they're Utah, so they don't naturally get talked about.

But the thing with Arizona State that I'll go back to while everyone's talking about returning starters, and they do have a lot of them, is can you believe that they won like they did last year and no coach left? You don't think there was a market for Arizona State staff? I promise you, because I know the market. I know the players. There were big market dollars. There were big raises to be had for a lot of Kenny's coaches to leave. And so Kenny did what he had to do to keep them there. but I'm going to tell you even then it wasn't matching dollar for dollar.

It's guys who were all in on Arizona State. So not just the head coach there, but if you really want to talk about the impact of a culture, it's how much does the program reflect the fingerprint of the head coach? And top down, everyone thinks like him there. Everyone acts like him there, at least as much as they naturally can. So that's why they peaked at the right time last year. I thought Iowa State was going to beat him in the Big 12 title game.

They just drug them. And so if they get in a mix, I trust them to peek at the right time. because I know they can. I haven't seen anyone else do that. So I think they're going to be in the mix. I trust Arizona State to be there at the end. I'm going to take them. There's so much money in the state of Arizona, especially in that Maricopa County, Tempe, Scottsdale area. If you're able to replicate what you did last year. Arizona, I've been on record saying this, it's the most fair weather fan state of all the states. Like when your team's great, everyone's all of a sudden completely bought in.

You see it with the Cardinals in like 2007, 2008. If they're able to do it, then they're going to have the money they need. to get the high-end players, not the five stars who commit to the Michigan's, Ohio, States, Georgia's, but the ones that, and then transfer over to ASU, they're going to be able to get them right out of high school. Yeah. Right out of, right out of community college, those types of things. So this is a, this is a big year for the next, not just for this year, but for the next 10 years of ASU. Anything, anything, any insight on the Texas Tech that you have?

Texas Tech being in the weeds of the Big 12 conference. That's the experiment. That's the experiment of of college football this year. Everyone else in the Big 12s pretty much built the same way, to varying degrees. Texas Tech is a totally different animal. Texas Tech realized we got a window here, we can go spend. They did. And I just want people like, if you know the Big 12, you watched it last year. You will turn on a Texas Tech game this year. And you'll see guys who started for them on the D-line last year that sometimes are not even rotating in with their twos. Some of them are bumped down to threes. They're not bad kids.

kids, they're not character guys, they're not hurt. They just got recruited over or in this case portled over. And there's going to be a lot of talk about offensive weapons. Their D-Line may end up being the best in the conference. And because they went to the SEC and Big Ten and got all the guys, you're going to look at the body type. I was in their building in the spring. Like if you looked at them, you would say, this could pass for like Florida State. It could pass for Arkansas or something like that, just where you would expect bigger bodies. And yet they're out there in Lubbock, Texas, because that's where they went to get them all. So then the only question I had, I was telling you, the only question I had is,

all right, you just went and got a bunch of individuals. Is it really as simple as tossing them in a blender, pressing the button, pouring it out, voila, we have a team. I'm skeptical of that, only because history has told me to be skeptical of that. But then history also says, hey, man, you've never even seen anyone try this. So I've talked to people in that building as much as I can. They swear the vibe is as good as they've ever been around. They swear it's not just a bunch of mercenaries.

Like we've got a team here, we got a unit here. Ask our quarterback. He's been here for a while. Ask him what his best group of guys he's been around is. So it's August. People are talking like that in August. Live bullets fly in a couple of weeks. Fast forward a month.

If they're still talking like that, that team's only going to get better. It's only going to gel. But if it gets wobbly early in the season, that's my question. Like if they get cut early in the season, what kind of team are we looking at? Yeah.

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Should we get to ACC? ACC. ACC. I feel like we could be a little quicker with this one because I think we're all sitting in the same place with the ACC. Clemson? Clemson. Yeah. I had one caveat.

My own caveat. Are you like, you, is Georgia Tech? Well, Georgia Tech, but I believe if they meet them again in the ACC title game, like I would pick Clemson. Georgia Tech's my sleeper in the conference. Okay. Love the identity of the program. Love the senior leadership at quarterback.

Good player, Haynes Keying. I think if they did nothing more than won the Georgia game last year, which was like a nine overtime game, everyone would be talking about them right now, which wouldn't change what quality of team they are, whether they won or lost that game last year relative to this year. But I am looking at Miami, and they were so terrible defensively last year, they wasted Cam Ward. Just like LSU wasted Jaden Daniels,

just like USC wasted Caleb Williams. You had that happen at Miami. All right. So I'm talking to someone from down there the other day on the staff, and they said, not trying to create hype, I'm trying to be really responsible

with what I'm about to say. But he said, you need to understand what we did at DB. Like, yeah, we went to hire a new defensive coordinator in Heatherman from Minnesota, but you need to understand

we got one kid that's left over from that defensive backfield. We flushed the entire thing. OJ. Fredericks, the one that's left. He was the lone bright spot there last year. We portled in a whole new secondary. That will end up being a strength on this team. If that person is right, then Miami's going to be a real, real player in this.

Because Miami's got better line of scrimmage talent than Clemson does. They are probably a little deeper in talent than Clemson. Clemson's frontline guys are great. You get past that front line. If Clemson encounters any injuries this year, I get really concerned about him because you cut into the bark a little bit. really green, really quick. But if they can stay healthy, I trust them. I trust them more than a lot of the question trusts that I have with Miami. So that's why I went Clemson. But Miami's got to be in

this mix. They got to at least find a way to be in this mix. They should have been in last year. Are you concerned at all with Beck's injury that is sustained in the SEC championship? I am not concerned with the injury. I am concerned about them having to replace their top half dozen pass catchers. I am concerned about that. But I am, the reason I go to the DB room is Cam Ward rolls into the stadium every year last year and knowing, yeah, I got to hang 40 today. That's what I have to do for us to win. I was saying, and just Miami, too, they just,

they randomly shit the bed. Yes, that's called inconsistency because you can't play defense. So you've got to score every possession. Right. Even against like Cal. And you go back a couple years ago, it's like coaching staff mistakes

during situational football. It's even if they do have all the things that you're saying, like if they have this, if they have that, it's still like when those moments happen, are they going to get over that hump and actually be a real contender or are they going to shit the bed again? I think those are fair enough questions for me to go Clemson because I believe in Miami this year. I don't think they're going to fall off, but Clemson's a proven commodity. Miami's not yet. Can I ask you about Bill Belichick in North Carolina?

Go for it. Do you feel like there's just going to be all of a sudden a major shift or is it just so different in your mind that the NFL coach going to college is going to be able to like shift to culture that quickly? Well, let me answer your question with a question. Do you think it's as stupid as I do that people say college football is just like the NFL now? Yeah. Okay. So if you think that's stupid, then you probably agree with me. Well, I don't know if you agree with me, but if you think it's dumb for people to say that,

then you understand how different a world Bill Belichick's walking into. If you don't understand that and if you're 50,000 feet above college football and you see, ooh, they got NIL, they pay the players. It must be like college football now. Then you ignorantly think Bill Belichick's going to come in and teach college football. college football in Leicester. I happen to be on the other side of the fence. I happen to think that almost nothing about this sport is like the NFL, up to and including

the talent acquisition mechanism where people have to choose you. Even if you got money to offer, they have to choose you. So by my estimation, they're paying him 10 million a year, and I don't think anyone in college football gets paid 10 million a year to go 7 and 5 or 8 and 4. But that's North Carolina football historically. There are a 7.5 win per caliber or year caliber program. If you're asking me if he can do that, my answer is yes, emphatically. He can be what North Carolina's been.

That's not what people are expecting. People are thinking he's going to be above and beyond what North Carolina's been. So at that point, you've got to bring something to the table above and beyond. So at that point you would sell me on, oh man, the Belichick way and the culture that he's going to instill and all this and that. And I'm going to ask you where are the players going to come from? And you may sell me on, well, he doesn't need to recruit like Georgia or Ohio State because he's going to develop, he's going to get hateful three stars, he's going to develop him.

And I'm going to ask, develop him into what? And you're going to say, oh, they're going to be good football players. Okay, good enough to do what, though. Because remember, you didn't hire him to just be what North Carolina's been. Just cut through it. You hired him to contend for a playoff spot. That means you've got to compete against other teams that are gun him for a playoff spot.

And what you find out at the highest level of college football is it's not an either-or. Like at Georgia, they can go get talent and develop it. Like, they're good at recruiting and exes and those. Bamma's good at recruiting and exits and those. Clemson, ditto, Miami. Like, those guys are going to have players that are more talented than yours, and they can out-scheme you, or they can make scheme irrelevant because they just out-jimmy you, out-jo you.

So I am so, like, not sold on them coming in there and revolutionizing North Carolina football. And, you know, Saban coached into his 70s and retired, but he had been in the sport a lifetime. Belichick is coming into the sport for the first time in his 70s. So it makes him older than any three of his players combined, which is just a wild stat to think about. And ironically, Any three of these players combined is crazy. This is the easiest schedule they'll have.

This year's the easiest schedule they'll have. Yeah. They may have the lightest schedule in the ACC. I just, they play TCU week one, which is a team we never mentioned in the Big 12. Right, which is actually, yeah. They'll probably shark fin and win by 30 week one. I don't buy it.

You're out. Yeah, I'm out. For those reasons I'm out. For those reasons, I am also out. Let's move to the Big Ten, the Primetime Conference, the Conference that holds the last two national titles. How do we feel? Go ahead.

I'm going to take Oregon. And the reason why I'm taking Oregon is simple. It's culture. It's Dan Lannin. It's a guy like Dante Moore who is not. He's been there for two springs and two falls. And he got to sit behind, sit and watch Bow Nix, watch Dylan Gabriel,

and now he is taking the helmet, every person, including yourself, who has gone to Oregon and watched him practice, say he is not going to be the issue this year. You look at the culture in the northwest of what Dan Landing has been able to achieve. October 12th, they play Ohio State. They win that game 32 to 31.

Last second, quarterback for Ohio State takes a slide, time runs out, the stands, they pile into the stadium, they rush to field, everyone's feeling it. What an opportunity it is for 18 to 21-year-old kids to drop the next week against, Purdue. Instead, they put 35 on Purdue, Purdue gets zero. The week after then they play Illinois, 38, my eyes are bad, nine. Then they go to Ann Arbor, Michigan, my beloved Wolverines, and that felt

a little personal, because I know Dan Landing watches the show. They cover the spread, all right, and they go 38, 17. So the culture that Oregon has is incredible. I think they're going to, they're going to continue that step. They won the Big Ten last year, but it really comes down to the offensive line as well. Three of your five guys, your starters, are. transfer guys. You need them to gel. You got a guy in Isaiah World, who we're able to see it at the spring, spring practice, guy 6, 8, 315, small ankles, small, small hips, wide shoulder, looks apart, plays the part, the guy's a dancing bear. The head, the offensive line coach, I want to fuck this up, but a leak Terry, I believe it is,

got to sit in his team meeting room, tell the guys he loved them, talked about winning the Joe Moore Award. These guys are having conversations being treated like an adult in a cultural atmosphere that I've personally never seen before in my entire life. They're bought in, their stadiums bought in, the culture's bought in, Dan Lanny, he's not going anywhere. I love Oregon. And I love Oregon and I'm more confused about Penn State and Ohio State, which are your next two top dogs. And that's why I lean, I fall back on your foundation, which is always culture. I know Ohio State, we give them the benefit of the doubt. They're always going to be good. They're always going to be contenders. And you know they're going to win at least 10 games every single

year. Penn State is a little bit of the opposite. You look at Penn State and you're like, they have so many returning starters, they lose their tight end, they lose Abdul Carter, who are both top 15 picks, they bring a bunch of wide receivers in. But it's like, when we first met and spoke about Penn State, you give the reference of 315. You're trying to max out and you get to hear some guys can do this and some guys do this. This is not an indictment on them, but unfortunately, statistically just shows that Penn State, when it gets down to the nitty gritty of top fives, they can't get that last little lockout in that 315. So I have to give them, I have to essentially like you, but the Apple reference.

Apple comes out, you buy the Apple. To me, Penn State is my Samsung right now. I see it. It's probably a great quality product. I don't know how to use it. I don't know how to look at it. So I just essentially stay away from it. So I got ordered.

Joshua? 12 hours ago, I was up at Penn State. watched in practice. First thing that stood out to me is Tyler Warren gone. I think they have two really quality tight ends there that America will come to learn this year. But still, Penn State's had tight ends before. They haven't done what you're talking about. So that alone doesn't sell me.

Really good looking offensive lines, 65, 325 across the board. But they've had that before. So that's not going to sell me. Good defensive players all three levels. A bunch of them will play in the league. They've had that before. So Drew Allers back. Like they've had all that.

The one thing they didn't have is a threat out wide or multiple threats out wide. That is what has separated them from the big boys. No one's scared of Penn State beating them throwing the ball. And I'm confident enough that that changed with the kids they brought in in the Portland, watching the practice last night, that I am going to actually pick them to win the league this year. I'll get the schedule in a second. But I'm watching them practice. They got a kid named Trevor Pena out of Syracuse.

and they had to fight to get him. He makes two contested catches in indie stuff last night, probably better than plays I saw Penn State make all year at the receiver position. Remember, this is a team that did not have a wide receiver reception against Notre Dame. That's a semi-final playoff game. A wide receiver doesn't have a catch the whole game. Like you'd have to try to get on video games and try to be that bad. So I think they rectified that.

And then elsewhere, there's not much else that had to change because you said it. is not a team that's a long way away. It's a team that needed to find the 1%. How do you lock out? Well, you go either get stronger or in this case, you go to the portal and you find the players that you needed. So outside of that, Oregon comes to them early. Penn State needs to win that game. That's week four, week five, something like that. They don't play any quality competition really before that. That's the whiteout game. They're not putting it at noon. It's the 7.30 kickoff. So they get the whiteout. I mean, they've been like bloodthirsty for that for a while. They finally get it. Oregon's taking a new quarterback, new starter at quarter.

quarterback on the road, a lot of new guys. The thing about Oregon, went and watched them practice last week, too, is I got no doubt about Dante Moore, like you said, Decorian Moore, top wide receiver in the country, I believe. He's a stud. He checks out. He checks all the boxes. He's got no doubt about him. The wide receiver room downstream of Decorian Moore is not a weakness, but it is a question. And that early in the season, that's like, that's their baptism on the road. That's that offense is baptism on the road. And I think Penn State should win that game. And if they do, think about what that sets them up for the rest of the year.

Like even if they go and lose to Ohio State, they're probably still in Indianapolis. Penn State is one of the surest playoff teams this year. But they've already been that. We're looking to get them over the hump in the conference. I just, man, there's so much solid, like dependable assets about that team. The one variable, they answered enough at wide receiver to where I'm doing it. I'm buying them. I think it, I think you laid it out perfectly. I think it's those two teams because you're completely right about Oregon, the culture, everything going on, the talent that

they have on the roster, and you brought it up, the wide receiver room. They go out and get the cat from, what was it, Syracuse, Troy, USC. They went and got a starting backer from North Carolina to plug on defense. They're returning. A lot of their all big 10 guys on defense. They returned, he talked about the sides of the all offensive line, four out of five return. they got an all-American backfield. They have, you mentioned the tight ends, they have every piece. To me, it's not like, to me it comes down to James Franklin. Is he a fraud with a roster like this?

I feel like this is the year. He goes out, he's a coordinator merchant. He goes out and gets Jim Knowles from Ohio State. Arguably, what's talked about him being one of the best game planners on the defensive side in college football. You go out and get Jim Knowles, you have all these guys returning on defense, you have all of it on offense. And I do think Drew Aller also makes a jump,

not in the sense of he's going to be just this better all-around player. He's gotten better with his arm. He's gotten better with his feet and everything else. I just think the year that you can have, if Drew Aller's a guy that's in the film room and it seems like he is, but you make a jump from going, you're working with an OC in year one. Now they're in year two together. You go to, you go from photogenic memory, pattern matching,

to you feel prepared all season going to play to now you have a number. another year in the system, more watching film, seeing what the defense is trying to do to you to where you are better at anticipating the game versus I need to get prepared for this game and having the roll of decks of calls that the coach has given me. I think this is the year for Penn State because, again, they filled those holes at the wide receiver spot. You said you saw them in person yesterday, so I trust that. This is the year.

They win the Big Ten. I also. I know exactly where you're going. Just take a moment. If the national championship is going to stay in the Big Ten, I think. think it is with Penn State. That's what I wanted you to hold up. Do you understand?

Just let it be known. Because this, not only it's like I'm buying all the Penn State stock, but I, when you see all of this shit on paper, this is the put up or shut up year for James Franklin being surrounded by all of these goons. He's orchestrated an incredible roster from top to bottom. This is the year to where, you know, Penn State fans are out there right now just being like, we're going to be a two loss. We're going to be a three-lossed team.

It happens to us every year. It happens to us every year. This is the year where if it happened again, if there are a two or three-loss team again in a bad fashion, he's got to absolutely be on the hot seat, in my opinion. This might be a dumb question, but at what point is it too much for Franklin being one in 15 versus top 15 teams, being two in whatever, 10 versus top 10 teams where he's got the roster now.

He has literally set himself up in such a big way where it's like, If you don't do this, you are not the coach for Penn State. I had him on the show last night. I asked him this to his face. I said, for a long time, they said Kirby couldn't win the big one. Then he won one. He won one. Then they said Ryan Day couldn't win the big one.

Then Ryan just won one last year. Now they're saying it about you. I'm just sitting there talking to him like I'm talking to you. I said, so that's pressure. Is it fair? Is it unfair? Like, how do you feel about it? And he said, well, first off, I can't listen to it, but like, I took the job for that.

I coach here for that. So I welcome the pressure. He said, you don't put 110,000 people in a building because they're all normal and sane. So if I'm going to get paid what I get paid, I'm going to have the job I have. That's going to come with it. He said, same thing about Drew. You're going to be the quarterback at Penn State. It's not good enough to just win nine, win 10 games. So the Franklin conversation has always been really funny to me because there are people out there who get mad that he doesn't win those few big games. And they call him overrated, which I don't believe in because no one's ever rated him above Ryan Day. No one's ever rated him above Kirby Smart. No one's ever rated him above Sabin when Sabin was still around.

They rate him like fifth or sixth or seventh. That's about where people would rate James Franklin, which is about where he is. He beats everyone he's supposed to beat. The only ones he runs into that's an L is Ohio State or you got an Oregon last year. So he's like 95th percentile in a world where we're trying to get into the 99th percentile. And the other thing you just said is if you could handpick like the year for Penn State to have their best squad, this is it. Yeah. I mean, Ohio State, I don't know how much they come back to Earth, but that team lost two games last year with that full squad. So now you got a lot of

newness. That's the year you want to have your squad. You got to go in their building, but they don't know what they are yet. Now, what we do know blindly is they're going to have a ton of talent. As always. But you don't know how it comes together yet. So this is, that's why there's so much pressure on them this year, because it's totally fair. Like everything you've asked for, you've been given. You've got resources. You've got great facilities. Like you've got a good roster, now it's time for you to deliver. That's the most fair thing in competition. The unfair thing would be if he was at Minnesota, like if it was PJ Fleck. And they were all of a sudden saying, hey, Ohio State's down, so you need to win the Big Ten this year. P.J. Fleck could rightfully say,

but I haven't been given the resources to win the Big Ten. James Franklin has all that. Do you think Minnesota's a little sneaky this year, though? Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I've been on the show. I thought they were last year. Yeah, I thought they were last year. Yeah. I just, I love everything you're saying about Franklin. I love it. I can understand why I believe it. I'm just, like you the reference of Georgia, I'm in the room. I'm standing off to the side right now. Because he has

like 99, 95th percentile coach, 99.9 percentile roster. Like where is that 4%? Like, is he going to be able to himself, his coaches, make that 4% happen? And it's, that's a beautiful thing about sports. You got to wait a little while because they play nobody first three

weeks, four weeks, but then Oregon comes in. That's the big test for both of them. It's like there's basically like their season opener for the country. Outside of Penn State fans, no one will see Penn State until that whiteout game when Oregon comes in. And then they got Nebraska later in the year. They sure do. A team that none of the three of us mentioned.

That's the dark race. You know, it's our first show. We got Josh paid on. I'm trying to not grab at the things that you know and love, like, obsessed with Dan Lannie. I think he's a stud. I'm sure he's going to be tuned into this show, wondering why I'm picking Penn State. Again, try doing my best to keep my home.

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But who's your national champion? My national champion's Alabama. Because if they get there, I think they're going to win it. If they get there, that means the offense was balanced enough. If they get there, that means Ty Simpson was a plenty good enough quarterback. And then, I mean, when I went and watched them scrimmage the other day, the thing that stood out to me the most is their scrimmage, it was so physical, but their DB room is so deep. They got a 6-4 true freshman, just to give you an idea.

His name is Dijon Lee's five-star kid, one of the top-rated corners in the country. Comes from Southern California. What has been a chronic issue for USC. Five-star talent leaving the state of California to go to the south, and that happened again. That dude just ran with the ones the other day. Now, Damani Jackson, another Southern Cow kid playing in Alabama, probably their starter at one corner. But they just throw Dejan Lee into the fire because they know they're going to need him this year. Stud.

Unbelievable. And he's not six, four? He's not covering porous receivers either. Yes. So this kid's six, four, he looks like a complete alien. It looks like he's in the wrong position room. He's just that tall, but doesn't move like a giraffe. Like he moves very fluidly.

Ivan Taylor is a true freshman at safety. Kid will not start this year because they got sab back there. They got the other kid back there. Batting balls away. Getting in the wide receiver coach's face yelling at him. Come at me again. Come at me again. Their DB room is unbelievable.

I love the depth they have. Vinebackers should have been a weakness for them. But because Lawson got hurt last year and he comes back, and some of these other guys have just panned out for him, it's low-key like a strength of their team. So my point in saying all that is, I believe in the teams that can beat you many different ways. And I can see Alabama winning a game 1913.

I could see him winning a game 38 to 31. And that's kind of versatility I need. I think I'm going to get that from Texas too. But I believe in Alabama more if they get to the finish line. If they win the SEC, I got them winning the whole thing. because I trust Kalyn DeBoer, because I think he may end up having the best staff in the SEC. I think Georgia's staff is the best. But if this were to happen, it may be because his staff's right there with Georgia's.

Right. Georgia's most proven. But, yeah, this all works out this year. It's juicy to hear about the DB room. Yeah. Hear about you watching practice. I had Penn State, but I think I'm going to flip it to Texas because I think even if Penn State takes care of everything. I'm sorry for doing this, too, Jay.

Walking away from the Big Ten. Not walking away, but. But if all of these things go how I think they should go with the Big Ten or Penn State went in and taking care of the Big Ten and them getting all the way to the national title game against a team like Texas or against a team like Alabama or another dark horse out there, and I think it's a moment to where Penn State just happens.

And they just don't. So you think Penn State wins the Big Ten? Winns the Big Ten. It ends up being Franklin. And it's a- So all the things are- It'll be a close game. I'm telling you.

He's like, I believe in them. They've got the roster. This is against the monkey office back until. This is, I'm saying this is the put up or shut up. Him getting to the national title would be massive from Penn State. But if they're going against one of these teams that we're sitting here listening, where he's visiting practice and it's a Bama or it's this Texas team. And if Texas or Alabama is hot and they have this momentum going to the national title game,

I think that would beat Penn State. What you've got to figure is, you got to figure, all right, let's just say Penn State's there. Let's say we play some of the national title game. It'll be fun. Okay. You got to figure whether it's Texas, whether it's Bama, whether it's Oregon, whoever gets there, they got there because they're doing what Ohio State did last year. They got hot. Whoever gets there, cutting through the weeds got there because they got hot.

Your concern is whoever gets there is hot and maybe with a better talent roster than Penn State. That's your concern. Yeah. And that's fair. Yeah. I'm staying in the Bay 10. Stay with my roots. Kirby Smart took him six years and winning a national championship.

Ryan Day, six years. Dablo's 29 years. Nick Saban 10, Jim Harbaugh is 16. So a lot of times it takes guys a long time to get to that national championship. It also took a long time for somebody to realize that a four-minute mile was possible. And then once it happened, it just started fucking rolling. I think Dan Lanning's that man. I think Oregon takes it.

I think Oregon learned a massive lesson last year. I think they end up winning the national championship if Ohio State beats Michigan. Ohio State does not wake up as a program until they have, until they lose a game being 20-point. favorites. All of a sudden, hair caught on fire, the town of their roster, all of a sudden gels. And they just, there was no stopping it. Every couple of years, there's like, this Alabama team could have beat the 32nd best team in the NFL. Ohio State is one of those teams you looked at last year when they're playing the playoffs. Be like, fuck, they might have beat the Titans. They might have did it. Because they were all across with their defense was

incredible. Their offense, they were thrown it all over the yard. I think Oregon got humbled. I think their culture resets, reloads, I think they win the Bay 10, and they put their foot on the fucking gas when the time is right in the middle of December into January, and they finally get over the hump. Dan Lending sets the expectation of win coaches and win national championship. If you're right, if you're right, that means they may look vulnerable during the season

and not to bail on them because that was Ohio State last year. Like anyone who's going to peak in December, January, you don't just get to rev the engine for four months. You've got to rev the engine when it's time to rev the engine, which means you may suffer a loss. Ohio State suffered two of them. So if Penn State may go into Oregon may go into Penn State, lose 21 to 9.

Would not be surprised by that. Like ugly game and it's like start over from scratch. No, they're still in it. True. Hey, who's your true classic Heisman winner? My true classic Heisman winner is going to be Jeremiah Love. He's got the logo of Notre Dame on them for the first time ever. They have a hard schedule. They play Miami, A&M, Arkansas, USC all before Halloween.

If he's able to once again score 12 touchdowns and 12 games, He's already got the name. I think if he gets to the point where he's putting up the numbers where he could be looked at as a Heisman, you have the people coming out of the bushes being like, when we're last year, maybe Ashton Genty should have won the Heisman trophy instead of Travis Hunter, and you have the pro running back guys.

Maybe he gets a little boost and a lift in the 2024 season. This to me is a fun one. I think a lot of guys, you go the Clemson Cat, you can go back, you can go Archmanning. But for me, Jeremiah Love is like a fun, like, awesome running back to watch day in and day out. He wears a logo of Notre Dame and it's like I get excited about the idea of him hoisting that trophy at the end of the year. I think it sounds nice. I think it'd be really tough for

a running back to be the... Can I be honest with you? Go ahead. Don't disagree at all. I think it's a fun Heisman. Yeah, I think it's a fun Heisman. I think Kate Clubnick sounds fun, but I think Clemson is going to be Clemson when the stakes get big and the stakes get high. I do think that they have a good team, but I think we're going to be in one of those situations late in the year where social media and everybody's arguing back and forth on people arguing for Cade, people arguing for Archie Manning. I like Lenora Sellers.

I think it's Arch Manning or I think it's Lenore Sellers. We got J.B. standing on the table right now. I think it's, I like Lenora Serres. Lenore Sellers. I think it's either him or Arch Manning because they're going to have enough primetime moments. I think the storyline, people are catching on to who Lenora's seller is a lot. I think he's fun, exciting.

He can run. He can do all of the things as a young cat and potentially one of the best players in college football. My pick is Lenore Sellers. Rumor on the street is why receiver room a little deeper at South Carolina than people like me thought it was. So that works in your favor. So I'm going ultimate boom or bust.

John Matier at Oklahoma is my Hysman pick. A lot of people worried about the release point. I'm not. A lot of people worried about the quality of competition increasing for him. I'm not. I think he has the kind of talent that cuts through. They attacked the portal at receiver, kind of like Penn State did. And so they got guys he can throw it too.

The only thing that concerns me with them is they may start a freshman tackle. So that's not fun, but we'll learn about them against Michigan in week two. I think Mateer's going to be a stud. I think he's going to be the story of the SEC this year. If he's not, your guy actually is. But if, let me ask you this, though, for John Mateer to win the Heisman, he's obviously he's playing electric. That means Oklahoma.

Nine and three. He's a contender in the SEC. That's correct, yeah. Because if they're losing some of these big games, that's going to kind of be the shot against them. Because I guess it's like Lenore Sellers. I feel like he'll be in a similar situation. But I feel like Lenora Sellers is more known.

And he feels more exciting to everybody. Here's what helps. And John Metier, because you'll be putting everybody on John Matier. Here's what helps me. People are already talking about how tough their schedule is. So that will be like in the mainframe conversation the whole year. He doesn't need to win 11 or 10. If they can go 9 and 3, maybe tiebreaker leaves him out of the playoff picture

or selection committee leaves him out. But like he was on the fringe. He had him in the conversation. Because people take into account their strength of schedule, that I think will be enough to get. get him over the hump. It could be the same with Lagway. Florida could just miss out on SEC championship or playoff. But Lagway balled out. Yeah, but they both do. But that works to my favor. Because if they're just good enough, if they're in the hunt, they can be 8, 493. Tebow won the

highest one loss, I believe, one year. Tebow had the entire world buying him. He did. So I'm going to know. That's a different brand of. I got some work to do with John. You guys going to say, you got a lot of work. Tim Debo, I remember being in high school and him coming out and his little documentary being in high school and getting all of his recruiting letters. It was like he had the name. He had all of it going in. He was doing that Netflix stuff in 05. Yeah, it was back in 05.

Yeah, anybody who was in high school the same time Will and I were, Tim Tebow was your favorite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was America's sweetheart for the longest time. All right, that concludes our first show. We were on Oklahoma again. You got him going nine and three. Do you have him beating Michigan in week two?

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