Bussin' With The Boys - March Madness Bracket Predictions + Steve Rinella On Building The Meat Eater Empire

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

Recorded: MARCH 18, 2025 Get ready for a must-watch episode of Will Compton and Taylor Lewan's Bussin’ With The Boys, featuring legendary outdoorsman Steve Rinella from MeatEater! The boys kick things off with March Madness parlays and predictions for the NCAA Tournament, their wild Montana trip, and of course yet another heated Michigan vs. Nebraska debate. There’s also talk of our new merch (sign up to save on our newest drop @ BWTB.com)! They then throw back to Will Compton’s wrestling days, and deep dive into Severance talk, NFL news, where Aaron Rodgers will end up, and more. Next, it’s time for the main event—Steve Rinella hops on the bus to share his expertise on hunting, outdoor life, and media. He breaks down what it’s like introducing new hunters to the sport, shares his craziest close calls with death, and talks about the gritty reality of the hunting world. The conversation covers tribalism in hunting, bear species differences, and how Steve built MeatEater into a massive brand. He also opens up about his writing career, adapting to media, and the most surprising guests he’s interviewed. Steve and The Boys discuss balancing fatherhood and the outdoors, and whether he’d ever take a government role in wildlife conservation. Plus, they debate the impact of wood tariffs on the U.S. Grab a Bud Light, sit back, and enjoy this epic episode with Steve Rinella! Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and drop a comment of who your team to win March Madness is! Big Hugs and Tiny Kisses!     0:00 Intro 3:22 March Madness Parlays 8:02 the boys are with bud light 14:05 the boys were in Montana 16:52 March Madness 39:29 Michigan Nebraska argument, again 55:47 merch store coming soon 59:08 will was a stud wrestler 1:02:14 severance 1:11:23 NFL news 1:22:37 Bert promo 1:25:59 spicy tier talk 1:41:26 STEVE RINELLA INTERVIEW STARTS 1:41:32 Brought To You By Bud Light 1:43:29 What Is Like Having People Who Haven’t Hunted Before? 1:48:42 Steve And His Guys Can WALK 1:51:34 Taylor Had A Close Call 1:55:12 Steve’s Closest Call 1:59:28 Being A Writer 2:08:22 Was Steve Excited About Television? 2:12:54 Tribalism In The Hunting World 2:15:47 The Differences In Bears 2:22:00 Building MeatEater And His Businesses 2:28:35 Was It Weird Getting Used To Media? 2:37:55 Shit Talk Among Outdoorsmen 2:43:24 Stats Only Tell Part Of The Story 2:45:56 Was There A Guest That Surprised Steve? 2:53:50 Parenting While Still Hunting 3:05:22 What Would Steve Rinella Do Anything For? 3:08:39 Are These New Wood Tariffs, Is It Detrimental To The US? 3:18:05 Would Steve Work For The Government To Help Our Wildlife?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is a second little. You got Michigan going to Sweet 16. You got Arizona making the lead eight. You can take all those futures bets and you can parlay them together. in one solitary bet. No other sports books doing that. Fandul is the only single one, and it's a copycat league.

I guarantee in the future, there's going to be a bunch of guys are also doing the same thing. But right now, the one and only sports book, Fandual, is doing it for you right now. And I believe... Can you explain that a little bit more? Great news.

Willie C just cooked one up. Yep. Do you want me to explain it more? Do you want Willie C to tell you what's going on? I think Will can explain it and then that would explain it. Okay, perfect.

Okay. Mitch has got a mustache. Mitch has got a little more confidence in him too. You look good. look really good buddy so on fandil you can do um a parlay on futures for the tournament so for example your boy has cooked one up already because i'm thinking like what is this about can i really just take like the top seeds and conservatively place them in the sweet 16 or the elite eight that's always the game we talk to for a second alburn they're a one seed i got them reaching the elite eight

florida to reach the elite eight st johns to get to the sweet 16 duke to get to the elite eight uh houston to hit the sweet 16 Tennessee to reach the state Sweet 16. Doesn't matter if I believe any of those teams can win the whole damn thing. But I have that six-leg parlay on all futures. You put that together and that parlay is plus 808 right now in the sportsbook. Spicey. Just FYI. People say, hey, this, everybody wants, you know, they want the March madness to come alive. Like they want to get cute. They want to find all these upsets. How is this tournament going to be chaotic? But also, people are talking out there.

It feels like this is not necessarily a year. You kind of maybe want to keep it. simple because these teams that are playing at a high level are playing at such a high level that it almost feels like a no-brainer like people talking about like Duke and Auburn, Florida. I got Florida. Rumor on the street is that Houston might be the best team out there right now. I've been talking to a couple guys and they're saying Houston, hey, I know they're on one-see, but people are still sleeping on Houston a little bit. You know why I like Houston basketball?

They're strength coach. Yeah? Yeah, they have a great strength program. Somebody I followed for a very long time. and his name is Alan. What is his last? He's followed him for a long time. I have,

but apparently, like he hasn't came across my algorithm in a while. And this could be a situation. Maybe he's somewhere else. But I started following Houston basketball because of this strength coach. Because he was big on like the eccentric work, you know, the trifasic model.

And he shows it like on social media. So I was just like, oh. And then when you see Houston kind of getting better and become the program that they've been, I'm not chalking it all up to the strength coach, but I'm thinking like, that's fucking awesome. That's fucking.

This doesn't need to be a wait. Yeah, Alan Bishop. Shout up the boy. Is that him right there? Yes. Handsome boy. Strong. He'll post the four and after photos of like the young freshman coming in and

shows them at the end of their year, their sophomore year and the progress picks. And it's like, it gets you fired out. I love that. And the eccentric talk is just a piece of nostalgia for me because it brings me back to Vanderbilt. We had that whole summer hitting that French eccentric with Rex. Yeah, that French contract training. That stuff gets you strong as shit.

Yeah. He'll have the heels lifted four or five second of century. Just the stuff that you know he's in the weeds on it. You think in your mind, like based on the surface level knowledge that we have in the strength game, you're like these basketball players, they're on something special out there. Give me juiced up. Maybe I want to get under a bar right now. Yeah.

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I panicked and I just started reading it. So thank you, boys. Thank you for that. And so the first thing, because you know people at the top of this episode if they're watching on YouTube right now. By the way, if you're listening on Spotify, Apple, all of them, make sure you're following

and subscribed on all channels. But if you're watching on YouTube, they saw a little special piece at the top of the episode. Bud Light. Let's give a round of applause for Bud Light. I mean, boys, this is,

There is not a stronger partnership or a more aligned partnership than Bud Light and Bustin with the boys. If you're in a think tank of Anizer Busch, you're like, we need to make a podcast that represents Bud Light in America. In sports. In sports. Coming together as one cohesive unit, you are realizing that Bustin with the boys is the perfect pair. Yeah. It's like wine and cheese, baby. It is the perfect.

Yeah. And if you've been a day one, I don't know when we went with the other guys. when we, you know, the bus wrapped. But if you've been with us in those first couple of years of buss with the boys, you know that this bus was a Budweiser bus, a Dale Earnhardt 8 Budweiser bus. And we had the merch drop that, I mean, it wasn't like a collab with them,

but we had our bowtie merch going. They allowed us to kind of do it for a little bit because... Until we got a little big and then we got to cease and desist. Right. So Ajax Turner, who is the regional brand for this area for Nashville, Tennessee, we'll just say that's the regional brand for Anazer Bush. They, when we first started getting sponsors, whether it was like, you know, a real estate company or this company, we started getting AJA Turner. We're like, yo, this is serious.

So they allowed us to use the B. And for the tier ones, you're listening to the story. You already know how the story goes. We end up getting a little bit bigger. Yep. We end up not having AJA Turner as much anymore. I can't remember why that just didn't work. We went to, we went with bar stools.

Not like that's what went away, but the sales, essentially our sales went away. We just had a guy that helped sell us in the very beginning, like one singular guy. a shout out Adam Freudel, but he would help, he would help with these deals with the real estate company, with Ajax Turner when they slid in the DMs. So then when we went with Barstool, you kind of, our exclusivity is now with Barstool. Right, the sales, they held the entire sales branch

of Bustin with the boys. Now going independent, shout out Fandul for giving us the nudge on that. Yeah. We have now been able to go and talk to other people and then Bud Light for a couple of years now. I met the CEO at PowerSlapp one time and he's like, hey, we'd love to be with you guys.

And obviously who we were in, bed with at that time. I don't want to be doing like I love the other people we were with also. Yeah. Great partners. Awesome to be around. Let us creatively do our own thing. Once there was like an opening. It was we get on the horn right away and say, hey, Bud Light, do you want to do this? And they were scratched and clawing at the door just to become a part of Bustin with the boys. So this is going to be a beautiful partnership. Yeah. And just getting back to the origin story. Yes. And it's like people, people love to use the sellout, the sellout game. You guys are leaving. You guys are selling out. It's like, really, we're getting more back to the roots than we ever have with this bus,

as OGs a possible we can be. Because when we got C-Indeed by Anizer Bush in the beginning, it was like, okay, well, we're not going to do free shoutouts. That's a core value of bus with the boys. Yeah, I mean, Budweiser is everywhere. It's everywhere. It's all over this bus. But on the side, it now says busing.

We had to get it repainted, but we had to get it repainted to Bussing because when we would do the fall tour or go to colleges, they're always like, hey, could we cover up the Budweiser, the alcohol stuff? Because you don't know what colleges are in bed where. So it was like, hey, it's just kind of easier. A, the free shoutout where we just have Budweiser all over the bus. Just a rolling advertisement for them. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, dude, it's, I'm fired up. I'm fired up with the idea of Bud Light, the amount of access that they're going to have for us, the amount of talent they have. It's post-willed in the boy Shane. Like, they have a bunch of people that were allowed to live in their ecosystem a little bit. They have so many great partnerships that are going to allow us to give you people better content. So it's just, it seems like a match made in heaven.

Could you imagine? if we're on a Bud Light Super Bowl commercial. I mean, I've told you, we're on the plane to Montana. Yeah. And I told you my idea. That could be amazing. It's a great idea. Like, do we say it out loud?

Part of me feels like, yes, because when it happens and we're not in it, it's like, well, we had that idea first. It kind of goes back to Jason Kelsey doing the Christmas album. We had that idea first. You remembered that idea. Yeah. Yeah. Dude. Making a Christmas album, we had the idea.

We had that idea. We had that idea, and then it kind of got shelf for a second. Fast forward one year later, Jason Kelsey's going platinum on a Christmas album. Yeah, a great album, by the way. It's a great album, phenomenal. But you want to say the idea? Go ahead, man.

Christmas time. Snow is falling in Nashville, Tennessee. Broadway, a staple of Nashville, where all the bachelor and bachelor parties want to go to are there enjoying their time. The road's empty. It's vacant even. And now you see a group of Clytemies.

Statesdale marching down with a wagon being pulled by yours truly and Will Compton right next to them. People are looking in awe seeing these beautiful horses walking down the street. Beers are flying from the wagon. They're being caught by Post Malone, by Shane Gillis, by Bachelorette, by parties, by Bachelorette. Payton Manning, Eli Manning, hell, even Cooper Manning's over there grabbing himself up on a butt light. I don't think Eli's part of the fact. He's not a part of that. He's with somebody else. Yeah, yeah, okay, so he's out. He's out.

He's out with the cartel. Snow's on the ground. And as you see the wagon pulling away, it just says, tis the season of giving, bud light. That's the commercial. No words. Just all action. None needed. Facial expressions only.

Yeah. I mean. Santa flying. You hear a distant, ho, ho. And then a shooting, is that a shooting start? No, it's Christmas time. You hear some jingles in the background. That's all you hear.

How beautiful is that? So something to think about. You know Bud Lights listening right now. They've got to listen. Yeah, this is the launch. Yeah. And if they're the partners they claim to be, but we're going to be in that commercial, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are the things that are going to happen. Get us in that goddamn commercial. Get us in the goddamn commercial. So yeah, really exciting stuff happened. We'll bust with the boys. We just got back from Montana. Yeah.

I mean, that was an incredible experience. Went to hunt coyotes. Didn't see one. Actually, that's a lot. I saw one. We saw coyotes. We didn't get one. I'll be broken down.

It looks like Jack's ready to question the ability. Jack's ready to say something. Steve Ronella, we have an awesome interview with him coming up where we talk about the episode. We have a vlog coming out as well. But yeah, the boys were in Montana for basically two and a half days,

ripping content, hitting the shooting range. Skin and beavers. Skin and muskrats. Trapping. Yeah. By the way, marshes. Just walking through those motherfuckers.

It is insane. Four mile hikes. It's just crazy. Steve was walking around marshes like it was no big deal. double knee shot himself but on a rock yeah oh yeah when I was in the water yeah yeah it got will just kind of

send the sidelines for a little bit because Steve was walking around I don't want to get too much into it but he was like you guys want to come and I'm like a little kid like yeah dad I'll come and he was like will you go and I was like you guys guys start laughing you smart too because I'm telling Steve's story

I'm telling Steve a story that I know he doesn't give two shits about and all of a sudden I'm up to my crotch and marsh just realizing there's a sunken little hole there yeah so these men move different they walk different than us but they were great as always.

Jack, you had a question? If you guys are going to talk about in the podcast, hunting and everything, then I don't want to give anything away. But I've heard rumors swirling someone, I don't know who it is, missed a shot on a coyote. Pretty close. Everything's got to listen to the podcast.

There's a great story behind it. I don't know anything. I'm just curious, so I will be listening because we weren't there as you guys in JP. So I'm excited. And Mitch was saying how this podcast, podcast is amazing. So podcast is awesome.

Steve's first time editing it. Yeah. It was really good. Dude, he's a stud, man. Very fascinating individual. Like getting his, cutting his teeth in through writing and everything else. You can just hear it when he's storytelling.

He's like, he's literally like one of the most interesting man in the world to me because like, we're not privy to that type of world. Like we're just sports athletes, dumb athletes. And then you go out here and then he's like talking about like, oh, you hear a bird. Yep, that's this one.

Just right over there. Just crazy. And it's like the people like that their brains can operate like that quickly. Like, oh, I know exactly what bird that is. I know exactly where it is. How old it is? Yeah. If it's trying to mate what the call is like.

This dude's one step away from speaking animal. It's so cool. It is so cool. Yeah. It's a fun episode. The cool thing about Steve too is that he'll sit there and you'll just be standing at a random spot and he'll point to something and just tell you a story and then give you a historical background and factual evidence on that little spot right there.

You had won the Marsh. There was one over by the Otters, but all that will get into the podcast. It's an incredible podcast. I think you guys are going to love. Yeah. It's awesome. But should we jump back to Mark Magnus?

Oh, should we dive in a little bit? Absolutely. So you've got a spicy little parlay that's plus 808 right now. Right now. Right now. I don't know what I'm going to add to it. I will let the people know what my parlay is going to be,

but I'm going to have a very exciting futures parlay that we'll be getting it on. And I am a massive fan. I started doing it last year. I'm a massive fan when we are streaming, getting us involved with which team's going to score. First to 10? First to 10. Yeah.

So this will be Thursday and Friday will be my first time truly digesting the March Madness tournament, diving in, putting the bets in, all that. So like, I'm ready to fly by the seat of my pants. I'm ready to listen to the boys, listen to the chat. Hey, what are we doing? Where are we going? I'm willing to throw away all of the money. Because it's like right when tip off happens, the excitement is at its peak.

It's like, it's here. March Madness, the tournament is starting today. What are we doing all day long? And you're so high when that first tip off happens. And you're kind of looking around. You're like, when's the second game coming? Like, oh, that one will be in like an hour or two. And you're kind of just sitting there watching the game.

And you got your first bet out there, whether it's, you know, one team to cover. And I'm sitting there like, okay, so we got to wait two full halves for one of these things to shake out. Two full halves. And I'm sitting there with Ryan Whitney. And I want to say Dave got in on it too and Big Cat. But we started doing these first to 10 bets. So I'm like, hey, how do we get the juices flowing even faster? Like when another tip-off happens, like, what's a live bet that we can hit?

So it'd be like first to tens just to give you like a little juice up front. So you're not like waiting for the end of every game to see if it's going to, you know, you pick the over, the under, the spread, whatever it is. Like the live bets in college basketball is a lot of fun. And like when we were back in, we'd go to state basketball in Missouri. We'd go up to Columbia at Missouri. And we'd sit there and we'd have like rolls of quarters and dollars and just bet like throughout the game. Like if guys going to hit the free throw and who's going to score.

It's going to be a three and you just be betting. So the live bets during March Madness is a lot of fun. The way I envisioned the live bets is like the movie focused with Will Smith when he's at the Super Bowl. And he's just sitting there with that really rich Asian guy going back and forth. The suspense in that movie, how I was feeling just being a third party in it. I can't wait to be the first party individual and I hope to God I'm Will Smith in the situation at the end of it. Winning hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars. There's so much going on in the first round, second round that there really is no way to prep other than have your phone charged.

Yeah, and your money ready. Yeah. And just be ready. Yeah. Have that thing on the Fandle where you have to sit there and be like, hey, just so you know you've been on here for an hour and a half. Yeah, I know. You know, that gives you little updates. Yeah.

Like you've been on here for 25 minutes, just making sure you're okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're out for too long watching. You're like, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And don't, uh, don't forget. I know we'll jump into like the full bracket, but those first play in games are on, Wednesday. Are today. Oh, they start the 18. Oh, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. I forget we're shooting on Monday right now.

So, okay. Playing games, yes. You laid it on some action there just to start spicing it up a little bit. So we can talk about those if we want. Kind of flex our muscles. Show them we know what we're talking about. We don't, though. We don't.

And we don't. Like, hey, let's flex our muscles on Alabama State in St. Francis. I'm thinking like it'd be fun to see St. Francis's Wayne because St. Francis County is where I grew up. So I'm just thinking like, all right. Oh, that's in Missouri? Yeah. Okay.

St. Francis in Philly. Yeah, St. Francis County is in Missouri. Right. It's like a... Like, hey, I'm rooting for this team. It's a name association. Name association. That's what we're dealing with right here. By the way, if Mitch was not here,

I would have thought we're rooting for a team in Bontan, Missouri. Oh, okay, okay. That's what makes you right? Because I'm thinking, yeah, I know it's not in. No, no, no. Thank you, Mitch. New mustache Mitch is different, man. He's saving this podcast. Because I'm sitting there like, yeah, fuck yeah, dude, Missouri.

We're going hard for them. There's one thing in these playing games. If Texas wins, that'll be the 14th SEC team in the tournament, setting a new. Which is nuts, man. It's crazy. So we kind of want Texas to win. Because we need the SEC to have something.

Right? I think they already have. And Xavier's like a blue blood. Yeah. But they have basketball conference. We need them to step it up. Because you guys are... It is...

Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called... Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide. range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas and then I wrote down on my little notepad Hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

Apparently the first time and I don't know how long that if North Carolina loses, it'll be their first time not making the tournament since God knows how long. Yeah, and there's some rumblins right there that they are, they're being sneaky boys. Apparently that maybe. Yeah, somebody's in bed with somebody in the committee. that got him in the bill bellichick bill belichick's working his magic in the basketball court already huh just just based on the two names who you're taking in this game american or mount st mary's american american bud light yeah yeah but light are you talking about just like the name of the

that's what i said just based off these two names and then we heard yours mish i hope that might caught it no yeah mount st mary's is kind of like they've been making some runs they're wagon they're a bit of a wagon they had this dude like a couple of america yet though he was like just 580s. Mount St. Mary's that ran into America yet. Fact checking me on that. I don't know if they play.

Who's going to play in to play Houston? Mount St. Mary's a bit of a wagon. I do have right now, as of right now, I have six circled upsets, which I don't know if you consider a nine upsetting an eight, like an upset, but they are underdogs. But here's what I have.

I have Creighton over Louisville. New Mexico over Marquette, Arkansas over Kansas, and I'm leaning like, hey, the SEC's got teams. Arkansas over Kansas. I like that one a lot. Baylor over.

Mississippi State. VCU over BYU. I just saw the way VCU was fired up at the end of their tournament. I'm like, oh, I would love to see them make a do a little bit of damage in the first round. And then, uh, McNeezy.

Shut out. Yeah, I had to know. It's not even state. It's McNeezy. Magnesey in that day. McNeezy over Clemson. Come on. All right.

I noticed, uh, you didn't have my boys in there. That's nice. I thought about it, but I'm like, you know what? I can't, because logically, it does seem like

Michigan's in a tough spot with their draw based on the way everybody else has been talking. Right, that 5, 6, 7 seed, right? They're always in a tough situation. Yeah, having to play UC San Diego. But apparently UC San Diego is like a pretty good team. Not just like, hey. They won 15 straight.

And they're a beast on defense. They're going to be a tough 12 seed for you all to play. Yeah, but let me ask you this. Who have they played? You see. Right? You see this. You see that?

You see Los Angeles. Yeah. You see Encinitas? You see D. You see Sacramento. I know. UC Los Angeles is UCLA. Did you mean to say that?

I was just saying like UC and now I'm thinking of Cali-Aid. Hey, mustache Mitch strikes again, 10 minutes of the pod. Just thinking of California. Why is he owning us right now? UC Berkeley. That is a tough run, though.

That's a tough little area from Michigan. Yeah, but can I see your little sheet real quick? Yeah, go ahead. It does have all the spreads on it as well. Yeah, so. Because right now, it's scary.

Michigan's not knowing what I know. I know that Michigan won the Bay 10 tournament. So like, shout out. us once again like Michigan we say what you want about my fandom about Michigan people hate on Michigan it's a good sports school it is I don't think anybody disagrees okay good but again facing a and M and Yale after that but facing a 12 and then you got and they're only then you got Auburn possibly after that two and a half point favorites against UC San Diego San Diego tough spot but smooth water water's never made a skilled sailor oh there you go

So my boys are going to be ready. Quick little shout out to the hometown, Lipscomb, in the tournament. Yeah. Big time shout out Lipscomb. Shout out Lipscomb. In Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt's in that. Bandy boys.

Shout out of the Sweenys. Do you guys have some upsets that you like in round one? I did just want to highlight one of yours, which was the Kansas Arkansas game. I've been watching Big 12 basketball like pretty closely this year. I've watched it closer in years past. but I think Kansas is extremely overrated. I've seen them lose several in-conference games. They started the year, very highly ranked.

They've fallen out the top 25 cents, but extremely vulnerable Kansas team. So I actually really like that Arkansas to beat Kansas in the first round. I love that pick. Do you have any other, Jack? I know you guys who are in the weeds more with college basketball. all. I feel like Drake,

Drake against Missou, I mean, just strictly looking, just strictly looking at record. I mean, Drake is 30 and 3 and where's Missouri? See, I love that. Sometimes it's just like, hey, look at the record.

Yeah, look at the record and make a pick. Yeah. You like Drake, Drake over Missouri. Correct. But again, Missouri's in the SEC. For sure, but 22 and 11 and 30 and 3,

like Drake, say Drake. Like, I hear you like dubs. Yeah, I feel like they're low-key, like, not really a blue blood, but they've been in the tournament sometimes. And like they're kind of, they're a little feisty. They get spicy. They get spicy. I want to say like Big East or American.

Sounds right. Yeah. Big East sounds more right. Yeah. I kind of like your VCU pick. For sure. I did watch the end of that game. Yeah.

They were fired up. Hit the free throws, kind of sets in, dub, going to the tournament. I don't know. Momentum. It'll be pretty sweet. There's a lot. I mean, it's March. Anything can happen.

I can't wait to see what storylines like come of it. It's like last year that cat who was dropping threes from Oakland. Oh, yeah. Remember him? Just going nuts. Like the peak of his life looking like J.J. Redick throughout all of March madness. I mean, he was. I mean, he would see Oakland.

We only know one basketball player. It's J.J. Yeah. Like the best. Any white basketball player will seize now is J.J. Redick. But draining threes like that. Like, bro, it was iconic watching this dude work. Oakland.

And they were like, were they? They were like 16 or 50. They were a very low seed. If you had to pick out of any of the one seeds to get upset, who do you think it would be? To get upset? Let me see what I got here. Auburn had a tough draw in the SEC tournament, no? They had a, their last like four games haven't gone as well as they wanted them to.

So that's either a good thing for them. Yeah. I mean, it's either a good thing to have a bad taste in your mouth or it's bad for momentum. go on that Ohio State type run. Right. Whether they start putting points in everybody. It's Auburn, Houston, Duke, and Florida. Yeah.

I think out of those, I have, again, no clue. And I'm a square. I have all number ones in the final four. Keep it simple. Keep it simple. Yeah, keep it simple. Kiss method. One thing I do know about Auburn is they're on average.

They're one of the oldest teams in the NCAA. They have a lot of 50 or six year guys. They're very athletic. They're a really strong number one. but some of those playing teams, those 16th seed playing teams, those are the ones to watch because they get that first win under their belt. Then they go up against that one seed. They're not playing cold.

They're coming in a little hot because they just played recently. Yeah, but. Yeah, the biweek. With the experience that you were talking about with Auburn. True. If I had any, I would say either Houston or Duke. Why? Because I know that Alabama can be very good.

and I know that Wisconsin can get really spicy. Cooper Flagg too hurt his really, like really bad ankle sprain. I think it was in the semifinal. So he couldn't come in hobbled. He's like they're bad. He's like overall. But they're talking about him just missing this first, maybe second round. Right.

But yeah, exactly. You don't want it done around here. Right. But if they're without, if they're without that cat for it would be against Arizona or Oregon. But look who they're playing in the second round. Look who they're playing in second round. Yeah, Baylor. You're right.

And don't be playing Baylor. Hurt, banged up. And then I think Houston too, because on the other side you got Tennessee, Kentucky, and I never sleep on Illinois. You know Will Compton does not sit on the fighting a line. That's a good football team right there. That's a good football. That's a good ball club.

Good run game of defense. I mean, they handle Michigan too. You're thinking this is going to be a well-coached ball team. Belema will have them ready. Yeah, Bealma will have Illinois ready for March Madness. See, I like Florida a lot. Here's how impressionable I am. Dude, I don't know very much about basketball at all.

We get out of the car this morning at a specific spot. We won't say where because we're shooting a little custom mad. Garrett says he goes to the game, Florida versus Alabama. And Florida went in a flow state mode where they would just walk up on a three and drain them over and over and over again to the point where geez telling me he's at first mad and now he's like I got to just watch greatness even though they're beating up on my own team. So now I just feel like, all right, Florida is going to make it. And they got some big white boys. Yes, they do. low and they're very good they're very active they're long like yeah florida seems very athletic

when you're watching every position and they are physical yeah those boys down low can ball i heard another physical team in the southwest region area Arizona then boys can get physical in there i was talking to a couple of homers from there i was going to say you might just sleep on Arizona Arizona group chat yeah yeah Arizona boys are out there obviously extremely biased we're like don't be surprised when they beat dude that's it's just like sherman before we came on the bus he's like If we can knock off Duke, we could win the whole thing. And I'm like, well, yeah. Who's we?

Who's we? Baylor. Yeah, you understand why I'm a little confused, right, based on how many teams you have? But Baylor is his first, his origin. Oh, your origin, right? His origin technically is not. That's where he went to college. Went to and graduated from Baylor University.

Yeah. Someone there. Yeah, someone's at the door. Let's see. Oh, yeah, it's coffee. Here's a question, pretty sure? You go grab the show? I'll go grab it.

Okay, thank you, buddy. Okay, we'll wait on that question. Jack, how are you feeling about Tennessee? I don't know, man. We didn't have a great final conclusion in the SEC tournament, but it's always good. I think we are in a really good spot of the bracket. I do like it, but the whole problem with Tennessee is we are like,

we'll make it to the elite eight and then we lose. So hopefully Rick Barnes can get it done. I think Rick Barnes is going to leave after this year. He might retire because we have like six of our seniors that are leaving. So I think he's going to kind of fade out. with them, but I don't know. Rick Barnes, one of the most elite college basketball coaches that has been out there and he's been in the game for almost three decades. But he plays a very older style of basketball in like a very evolved league. So I don't know. I hope we go deep,

but you just never know. This is March. So anything could happen. Yeah. Another storyline I enjoy too is Kentucky just because of that meme that the, that old buddy gave us you know where he had the little he made the face what they call it well yeah the mean mug yeah he bit his lip yeah he bit his lip he was mean mug and hardcore i see you guys both have uh taken kentucky to beat tennessee how'd you see mine i know i see him i and you want to know why sure the kentucky tennessee game was the last one i kind of filled out in the sweet 16 and i'm looking around and i'm realizing like how much of a square i kind of am picking all the like i upsets are like in the first round none really in the second and so when I was looking at

Tennessee Kentucky I'm looking okay three seed versus two seed I kind of looked at your guys is you guys playing this year it seems like Kentucky got you one time and we got them you're right right recently most recently so I was thinking like the toss up right thinking the toss up is like okay I'm just gonna go Kentucky here to get a three seed follow the patterns yeah like let me let me this is a game of Baccarat I'm understand you just let me get a instead of one two's across the board I also have and this was gonna ask you shroom because I know you're big and of the Big 12.

Texas Tech is also like one of your teams. They're a three seat. I have them beating St. John in the Sweet 16, which I love to see St. John go far because of Rick Petino. I love following all their stuff, the content that they've been creating with him. But it does seem like Texas Tech could be a bit of a wagon. To sell tech,

they are unreal beyond the three-point line. They actually knocked out Baylor in the Big 12 tournament by making 12 threes in the first eight minutes of the game. When they get hot, they get really, really hot, but their most important piece. And correct me, if I'm wrong, I believe it's J.T. Toppin. He's Big 12 player the year. He's the...

What a last name. He is the Texas Tech big man. And that dude underneath the basket, that goes across the board, by the way. If you are similar to me, where you are an absolute casual in college hutes, A great way to break down if a team has the ability to go far is either one, are they hot from beyond the three point mark, or two, do they have a nasty big man that no one can guard? And that's how a lot of these schools that are the higher seeds will make deep runs because they have one big nasty dude.

NC State was a perfect example. Right. Last year. Yeah, that was last year. And Purdue. Purdue. If you just have one big nasty that. is got soft hands by the hoop.

It doesn't matter who they're playing. They can be anyone because if that team's missing shots, you know he's getting the rebound on defense. And then offensively, if his team's missing, it's okay. He's going to get some offensive rebounds. He's going to get some fouls. They're better players. They're going to start fouling out.

That's how you win basketball games in a tournament because you have all the nerves of the tournament. Teams don't usually shoot as well as they do in the regular season. So that's a great way to kind of break it down. if you're a casual to this, you want to do a bit more research on your gambling, go look up some of these teams, some of these 11, 12, 13, 14 seeds,

see if they have a big man. If they have a big man that's putting up crazy numbers all year, that's a team to choose. And that's my opinion. And, you know, bet, what do they say? Like, be safe, don't bet too much. Responsible. Yeah, bet responsible is the word you're looking for.

Bet responsibly. On the fan do's books. I'm a podcast producer. Right. Responsibly. This is not real medical advice. here. Yes. You can't prescribe these types of things is what it is. All right. I like that. I love the conversation. Looking to the big fellas. The offensive line of the basketball.

Yes. The trenches. The trench warfare. I love that. I love it. I love the conversation too because we're, I know. I'm kind of just kind of falling a bouncing ball. A lot of circles. That's how everybody tries to operate. And I love that people, essentially we're operating like a one big group chat right now because there's a bunch of people that are coming to watch our sports podcast, be like, oh, Will and Taylor will have answers when we sit here we're like we don't I think people don't have any and they know that we don't have answers yeah we're gonna shock the world yeah we are gonna shock the world yeah I think there's a huge opportunity on Thursday Friday on these streams for people to make some good money good money going to the same I might bring my unit all the way down to $10 wow why because I

won my dog of the day bet with tailing you in Michigan let's go shout out the boys turn $10 in the 29 I might just operate off percentages then yeah The actual dollar amount. That's a smart. That might be a smart move. And you can have more fun. It's like kind of walking to a casino and you're like, I'm going to win it all. Then you spend all your money in the first five minutes.

You're like, uh, I don't want to do this more. And the thing too with, uh, with March Madness is there's a lot of opportunity. So you can, if you get in the hole and you're just losing left and right. And you're just like, all right, here's where we get back on it. Next thing you know, you're like, okay, I'm down quite a bit of money. Sounds like you're speaking from experience. Last year I was, I had a very bad percentage. Pretty much all of us did.

It was not good. We were believing. While keeping. while keeping your same unit? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You start flying it around first to 10, parlay this. Yeah. The cat from Oakland, is he going to make this many threes?

Like, you start getting into the weeds. Next thing you know, you got 13 bets laying out there for like one game. You're like, how did I get here? Yeah. Or you're like chasing like, you know, if you're down, like, hey, live bet you go in at halftime and live bet something else. And you're like, this one's not turning away. Something about being with a group of guys and live betting,

like each, well, with football, like every possession. What's going to happen in this position? We're all kind of teamed up doing our own thing. Because it's fun to put the parlays together before the game. But once the game starts, like, those things have to either fold or unfold the way they do. With the live betting, it's like you're getting action right then and there. So it's automatic endorphin spike left and right. At the end of the day, you go home, you're exhausted.

Exhausted from all of it. What did I do? What did you do? And I know one thing that's going to be on the Fanduil Sportsbook 2 is there's going to be like this, I don't know what it's called. We'd have to dive into what the exact verbiage is, but kind of like a Mulligan bet. Yeah, if you have a pick, like say you have Alabama, yeah, bet back. I think that's what it's called. Yeah.

I don't know if it's called that. We just know it's a mulligan. It's a mulligan. So, Mitch, the difference is like you could have, let's just say, Alabama minus four and a half. And or let's just say Alabama minus 18 and a half. Like say it's in the first round, whatever their big spread is against whoever they're playing. And there's like 20 seconds left in the game and they're only up seven. So you know they're not going to cover 18 and a half.

You can go in and get you a month. Mulligan bet and get a bet back like before the game ends. As long as you're doing it on live bet. Yeah, a bet back token. A bet back token turns your bet into a bonus bet if you decide to back out during the game. Yeah. So you're not going to get that money back into your bank out, but it'll be like, hey, you want to save it here?

That's fine. We'll just put this in a little nest over here whenever you're ready. Start dishing that boy out again. Yeah. But you got to be active. You got to be ready and paying attention for them. You got to be dialed in. Yeah.

You got to be dialed in. Yeah. That's a great note by Garrett, too, because when you get into the streams and you're watching games, a lot of times you can fall victim to what's happening on the bird, what's happened on Instagram. When it comes to these first couple of rounds, if you're going to hit that bet back token, you've got to be dialed. Yeah. You got to know what's going on. Good note, gee.

That's a great note. I mean, we're going to have multiple split screens going. So you're going to be. We'll be excited. Locked in. Locked. Maybe we assign somebody to like, hey, keep an eye on this one, notify everybody. Right.

Either hit eject. or hammer it. I'm excited for the first kind of rival bet that happens. Well, we might have a while, but. Just somebody has like a different take. Like, say Michigan makes it to Auburn. Who's gonna, what rivalry is that? I'm saying, like, if I'm sitting there bet

and I'll probably bet all right. The only just means more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can understand. That brings us back to the, I lost my three, I thought. But you could also. You could join forces in that moment, though, and do the hope.

Were you going to say my feud against Michigan? Well, I was going to bring it up. Yeah, your feud against Michigan, but it was also like the teams, the upsets. I don't know why that word could not come to me, but the upsets. I was surprised it wasn't in your first round because I know you got a little deal with Michigan. I don't have a deal with Michigan. I don't have a deal with Michigan. And we talked about it walking up to the bus.

I bet them. They were my dog in the day. It feels like, I don't know. And I don't know, I don't want to put words in your mouth. Maybe it's a jealousy thing. Maybe it's like a. No, no, no. It's a best friend thing. When you say jealousy, that's where the feud starts the spark in my body.

But it doesn't have to be a feud. I get it. No. See, now you're doing it. No, no. Now you're doing the thing that creates some feud. I don't have a feud with Michigan. I understand why you would be upset based on how the last couple of years have gone with Michigan, Nebraska.

But I'm not upset. I'm not upset about. So you're going to look at me with that tone of voice and you're going to look at me and say, I'm not upset right now. I'm ready to take down you see San Diego. Like if they lose, I'm going to think to myself, damn it this is the one that I know logically like everybody was kind of saying this is going to be the tough one.

This is going to be here. I think we need to take a time out. I think we need to take a time out. More it gets too heated. I think we get a bow timeout in. Oh, a bow time out. We're going to do a bow time out real quick. Boat time out.

Let's cool the jets for a second. Reset. Let's dial it in. Reset the battery. The vein was going to start coming out of my neck. Yeah, let me, uh, won't you put. Yeah, we got a bow time out. By the way, Mitch.

Nice surprise for you. We got some I know Taylor's about to talk about it here in a second, about some Bowberry waffles. We would love to see if you can take these things down how big of a bite you can take out with that large mouth you have. These laminated cue cards kind of mess me up a little bit. They are beautiful though.

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Potential heat. Yeah. Little Cajun heat. Yeah. A little Cajon heat. Now we've got to simmer it down with that little blueberry. I will say the shit is good You don't mind if I

You want to share Zies? Yeah, go on Let me get a little bite to you that You got the nice out See that little bite right there That's the one that you When your friend asks Hey can I get a bite

You want to take down one first Will was not smart enough to do that Right now Because the Cajun flays Incredible by itself But you put it with that drizzle That Boberry drizzle And just sandwich between a couple waffles

I see what they're trying to do Mitch Just take your bite. You're the big bite. Let's go, Mitch. Take it all. I think you can take it down all one bite, don't you think? No.

Try. You do have to try. It's for the boys. It's for the boys. Everybody at home watching right now, they're like, is Mitch going to take this down or not? Think about your family watching like they do every Tuesday night. I'm thinking about my grandparents. Think about game.

Hi, Mom and Papa. My Mom's Popup. I'm so sweet. They're going to. I'm all and pop up. There's no way I can do this whole thing. My dad's watching. Try, try.

Believe. Do or do not, there is no try. Believe. You got it. Oh, you shove it in there. You got to press. No, no, no. Mitch go.

Oh, oh, oh. Oh, okay, all right. That's a good bite though. That's a good bite. Now I get back to work. So I do, I don't hate Michigan. We're back, time in? Yeah, time in, time in.

I don't, I don't have a few against Michigan. It's very, I mean, a couple weeks ago you were sitting there saying, we're back to hating Michigan. We're back to the down. I'm back to this, back to that. It's because you say some spicy stuff that starts to spark that few. What do friends do? We gotta get spicy up in here.

I understand. I understand. Again, we just came off a time out. You're so focused on the Bowberry Glaze, dude. I'm focused on Cajun chicken at here, you know? I'm trying to get a little spicy on this bus, and it's very clear to me that you're just hating. And I know I can be a pestering fan. What am I hating?

Come on now. You said I can't wait to watch Michigan's downfall on multiple locations. That's because you pat... And this is after, this is after I said I want Nebraska to do better than the... Nebraska to do better than they did this past year. I know. I can recall the conversation. Oh, you can.

So you remember being a little nasty. The problem is I want you to be so on board because I don't want to surround myself with mediocre thinking. Greatness hates mediocrity and mediocrity hates greatness. And when you say, hey, six and whatever, seven and six, whatever that game up seven or five, that's where it's like, that's mediocre thinking. And I don't want that. That to me, I don't want that part of my life.

That is one, that's one trying of thinking right there. Here's the other one. You're my boy. So when you say that, that's where the fester starts like, all right, fucker. And you know, and you know that about me. You know that about me. What do you mean? So that's what fires me up.

I know this. I know Will Compton this. I know when Will Compton goes in the offseason, when he played 10 full years in the NFL, that he focused on getting 1% better. Being good consistently makes you great. So when Mississippi goes seven and five, if they go seven and five, you are being better every single year. You're being good, good, which will least.

to eventually being great. Okay, so I got a scenario for you. Okay, so, let me tell me. You're coming off, you're coming off. It's March, and we're talking about football. All right, the brackets here, boys, but let's dial it in this. You're bouncing back off of your ACL. Yeah.

You're just like, hey, I just want to start all year long, put on some good tape, just get better than I ended last year because I'm coming off an ACL. Are you thinking I'm going after, I'm going after all of it? I'm going after all pro, Super Bowl, Pro Bowl. Yeah, I was going after what I was. already achieving is what you're saying. You didn't achieve it the year before that. The year before that five games in, zero sacks, no pressures. I was crying. I was playing the best football effort. Great. So when I tore my ACL, my thought process was get back to what you were

doing. Get back to Taylor LeWan of old. And if I was just like, hey, that's kind of those expectations are kind of crazy. Like you're coming off a pretty, a major surgery. Like, let's just, let's just have a good year of starting every game. Yeah, but that's not. I would be, I'd be, I'd be, you'd be like, bro, you're my boy we're like we need to be going after this thing together yeah we and we go after it i'm saying and we went after right so okay if that's if that's the train of thought you're using then let's go after another bowl game but you know what i'm saying no no no i was at the my expectation for myself and how i was playing was up here so no matter what i'm thinking pre-acel i'm thinking let me buy ACL happens and i'm like how do we get back to where we were and so if we

want to use your logic it's like all right well we got the monkey off our back of hitting a bowl game for the first time since 2015. Let's go right back to just hitting a bowl game. No. I want these motherfuckers, Capital One Bowl. I want these boys fucking seven and five. I want the dogs out here.

Our brains are different. We operate differently. We're saying the same thing with different expectations. You're saying national championship. No, no. No. Well, yeah. That's what we're chasing.

Dude, I might need another bow time out. For real. The analogy doesn't really hit the same because Taylor was the greatness that he's trying to achieve. That was the year before he tore his ACL. What you're wanting Nebraska to do is like, hey, Taylor, your best years were when you were in second or third grade, like it's been a minute.

Like, let's get back to that. And it's like, let's get back to sixth, seventh grade before we start looking at those grades. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's been a minute. It's been a minute. And it's okay. Listen, listen, Nebraska fans.

You guys are being way too rational. Let Tim Loo, my boy, this is his expectation. Let Louis just talk to you for a minute, Nebraska fans. First off, I want to, I want you to know, I'm on your side. I love Big Red. I love Lincoln. Whenever I go into Lincoln, the camaraderie, the hospitality, people being around, you guys are incredible.

And I got to witness you guys, donkey stomp the Colorado buffs, who are a massive rival of you guys. I am on your side. When I say seven and five, I'm not being like, oh, a little poor Nebraska. I'm saying seven and five, like, yes, dude, let's get better. Let's just get better than the year before, right? Because if we go six and six, we're like, oh, dude, we're the same. I love Matt Rola.

I love that he's taking and he's literally trying to do exactly what Patrick Mahomes doing. Because why? Kobe Bryant did it for Michael Jordan. Why can't Dylan Rayola do that for Patrick Mahomes? We just want to be better every single year. And seven and five says you were better than a year prior. So yes, you're going to have the Wilcompton's out there that say, Nattie or bust. But when it doesn't happen, it's like, okay, well, we disappointed it.

but we went seven and five like we're better and next year's gonna be eight and four better and better and better that's what we want every single year and i do want to tell a little story real quick you're casual you're casual and that's okay yeah i'm a casual of my friends team yes yeah i am but i also give me uc san diego in the first round can i dude and also you want to talk about ball real quick you guys want to get rock hard rock fucking hard watching some blocking go pull up late 2019 Tennessee Titans Offensive Line. This weekend we're going to do a little camping

situation. The weather didn't permit. So we went to the man cave and I set up a couple of blow-up mattresses. But then you know how kids are. It's always a war at bedtime. So one of my kids who sleeps with the wife, I sleep in the man cave with my youngest daughter and I start seeing Andrew Whitworth and I are going back and forth. Like he sent me the tweet he put on Will Compton before he even tweeted. Just so you know, I'm about to put your boy's head on a steak. And hey, it's all good. Don't worry about it.

I know my boy's got thick skin. Then I don't all of a sudden, who was the other center for, I can't believe his name's. Eric Wood. Eric Wood post that. Out of nowhere. So I start thinking to myself like, it would be an absolute shame.

It would be a horrible, horrible shame if Offensive Lyman around the years of 2013 to 2020 started just posting their blocking videos, Roger Saffold, 2019, Raiders, clips of them blocking Wilcompton. So I actually go and I found a couple clips of me and Will when we went at it. Nebraska when you try to throw a punch at me. After I brought you the sidelines,

Raiders, when I blocked you out, we got a seven-yard game. You guys average two yards. So I'm watching, I'm watching YouTube videos on my phone, like 11 p.m. on like Saturday night of just these couple things. And then I just start self-sucking a little bit. I go to like the 2019 highlights. And I start watching these five men just put on a fucking clinic of blocking.

It was so beautiful, dude. It's like the good old times, the good old days. You sit back there, I'm watching B blocks with Roger Saffold and Taylor. I'm watching Man Reaches by Jack Conklin. I'm watching Aces by Josh Klein and Ben Jones. Boy, dude, I might be one of the greatest offensive, most underrated greatest offensive lines that have ever walked this earth. It was so beautiful to see.

So when I tear my ACL, I'm trying to get back to what I was, what we ended up being. Nebraska, we don't want to go back to what we were because we haven't been there since 2015. So we want to, this decade, the 20s, let's get better every year. And then by the 30s,

we're fighting it, baby. We're fighting it. I do have... I do have a science experiment. Go ahead. That I would love to implement this large amount of a turn. That's why I don't mess with you on a real level.

What do you mean? You know. I don't got to... Go ahead, Sharon. Okay. The streets are saying that the Compton Curries is a very real... thing. It's all over Twitter. Yeah, I've seen that. It's all over Twitter. I can vouch for that. So I think we go to some kind of place, uh, like lids or whatever. We get some basketball jerseys

for Sir Will. We have them put some on. Cheer for that team in March Madness during the game and see if the Compton curse really is real. Let's put it to the test. Yeah, I'm down to do that. To me, I just think like you get your lip bloodied over and over and over. You just got a keep coming back because one day it's going to shake. Do you legit Willis Homer Simpson when he decided to start boxing. Just teaks punches and punches and eventually that person is going to wear themselves out. They're so exhausted by hitting Will in the face.

He just won't get knocked out. Yeah. Dude, I don't think- It's hard to be a man that refuses to quit. I don't think that works, Sherm. I mean, we can try it, but I think Will's heart truly has to be in something for the curse to come alive if the curse is real, which I don't believe it is. What it's even been with some of these bets lately if he posts the bet.

on Twitter it loses it if he doesn't post it on Twitter and then he'll post this winning and be like hey yo look what I won because he wasn't gassing it up before the game right you need to go what was that like you called McPherson out for that right

because he would hit and he would post the winners like that's maybe where you need to go you need to go with that like don't promote your picks just say I've got picks I'll let you know how it goes and then you post the winners right because Jack's always talking about these winners he's always hitting on it's like

And dude, it's always on the fault tour. I specifically remember us like we're driving through Chattanooga. We can pull up our all-time gambling stats. We can and do this if we really want to. Yeah, yeah. If you guys were to go toe to toe, I assume you'd be prosperous. However, that's the point we're making. Yeah, and I remember us driving through Chattanooga,

and all of us are staying there on the border and be like, okay, what parlays are we going to put in? And there was a good long conversation that took place. I can't remember what game I think was in Georgia. Yeah, I think we were going out of Georgia. Yeah, we're going to, yeah. Georgia and South Carolina. And everybody's got an opinion

about what parleyes and we all dial in our parleyes and we go to the game. We leave and we get back and Jack's posting parleyes that hit when our parleyes did it. So that's crazy parley. That's where the hate kind of comes

is like we see, you may be have a beautiful mind. You got that Rayman of sports betting and you're kind of trying to get better. You're harboring all the wins for yourself. Dude, just speaking of betting, I haven't done a ton of betting since football into because I like to take this time to Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers.

And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Like do a little just break.

Soul-searching. Yeah, soul-searching. And I cannot wait for Thursday because I'm going to be dialing it up in a big way. And so just so it's out there, I will be posting all of my bets before tip off at least an hour. So at least an hour. At least an hour. At least an hour. Five seconds before tip. But yeah, I don't want to rehash something bad. I will be taking UC Sandy as my upset and has nothing to do against Michigan but I look at all the upsets constantly and I can't find one that I love that's like a 12 verse 4 12 verse 5 so that's where I'm out right now Jack can I say something yeah all good man dude that's

it's and it has nothing to do the Michigan this is my first time dive in in I hope the maze and blue do well but I don't know enough about basketball to you know plant my flag in the ground and be like we're a win because of X, Y and Z I can do that with football it's hard for me basketball I'm watching truly as a fan and just hoping for the best. It's going to be awesome. There was a moment we all, I think, experienced in elementary or middle school or even into high school where that Thursday and Friday where they put on all the games at lunch, at least they did it in our high school. You have those teachers that are just loving it. And it's sports teachers, yeah. It's basically,

yeah, it's basically like a free two days. Yeah, I know there's, hopefully we got a couple high schoolers listening and they're maybe listening on Thursday like about to go into these first rounds. And I just hope they're getting fired up thinking, man, I don't even have to focus today. So, God, I'm so excited for Thursday. Mr. Sivontes, economics class, he would do that. Shout out. Yeah. And they love it, dude.

I love that, dude. So fun. I love it. It's going to be exciting. I can't wait. It's going to be a fun little time. Update with Bussin. When's the merch store dropping?

So we have an update with the tornadoes and the rain and everything else. We didn't get the merch that got to the shop on time. Correct. So I believe we're pushing the store drop. Yeah, we're going to push it a week. Pushing it a week. We'll push it a week. But good news is we have almost 1,500 people signed up.

So shout out to you guys. And if we get to 2000, do we want to do some giveaways? Oh, we're getting the 2000. Yeah, we're getting 2000. So yes. Yeah. Definitely giveaways. We wanted to promise giveaways then is what you're saying.

Yeah. We'll get brainstorming. Yeah, we'll get the think tank. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think yeah. But if you're listening right now, go to bwtb. and sign up.com and sign up. And you'll be the first to know when the merch drops.

And I think there's going to be a discount code. Is it a discount for the first 24 hours? 24 hours, which will be big. But yeah, if we hit up, if we get these, if we get numbers up to, absolutely, we should give away merch to the tier ones. And there's going to be, I mean, I've seen the merch. Gee, done a fantastic job.

There's some new stuff. There's some OG stuff. Like, it's exciting. It's exciting what's about to happen. Yeah. That one thing we were texting about last night. and tease it. Whispers of the bow tie coming back?

The bow tie's coming back. We got sweatsuits. Yeah. Travel suits. Travel suits for real. And I saw that. I scrolled through it pretty quick last night. And I got to the bottom and I saw that sweatsuit.

And I was like, oh my God. Let's go. The bow tie, though. And the B. It's back. Just kidding. Loading. I just loading.

And some best sellers will be back too. Yeah. I picture all of us. Well, not all of us, but everybody that's like going on a spring tour trip. in the airport matching sweatsuits. Yeah. Just walking through the terminal.

That'll be hot, but yeah, I'm down. It'll be hot. It'll be hot. They go, what team is that? Yeah, people are looking at the squad

being like, that's not a team. We have height. Yeah, we actually covered, we look like a basketball team. We got all the heights. Taylor first off the bus.

Yeah, but I feel like in basketball, I'm like normal. You're like a point guard. I'm six seven. You are like a point guard, though. I'm like, yeah, it's a one.

In the NBA. I mean, I mean, I feel like, I'm a high school basketball team. I'm a filthy center. No easy buckets around me. Hell yeah.

What? Pool basketball? Well, you already know how that goes. I'm talking about high school basketball. You need someone to own the paint, buddy, I can throw out those some bows in the paint. I'm not afraid to get a little dirty. But yeah, shout out to all the people that have signed up already.

That's awesome. Yeah. $1,500 is crazy. That's nuts. Let's jump that up to $2,000. Let's get to $5,000? $5,000? Holy shit.

We might have to up the inventory. I got some Nebraska expectations on that one, but I love, I'll get behind that. What do you give it away? If we hit 5,000, what would you give away? A jar of Wilcompton's sweat, dude, from the sauna. That's what we need to give. A jar of Will sweat. I'll get it myself.

We have to get to 5,000. We got to get to 5,000. I give away a jersey. Okay. I have some Rader ones in the closet still. What about your sweat? I'll give way a sweat. Okay.

Put in a little mason jar. Maybe, yeah, well, Mason jar is a lot of sweat. Well, I'm talking about when them little itty-bitty-bitty. once. A little shot glass of sweat. Maybe me turn into a little necklace for somebody. Feel like, oh, what's on your, what's on your neck there? Oh, nothing hard work. That's what that is. I mean, yeah. Speaking of hard work, did you see my, uh, you see my throwback video last night? No. Come on, man. What's your home? Don't act like you. No, I pull it up because I might have seen it, but I don't. That thing's going viral right now. Okay.

Which one is it? Me wrestling at 10 years old. Okay. I did see that. this morning. And I am a pit bull. Look at the grainy film. Bro, Cody, for whatever reasons, just relive in the youth days back home. He got a v. air this weekend.

Yeah, he got a VCR to work, so he had this stuff up on the screen. Which were you, Will? He's the one in the blue. Yeah, Navy. Yeah. Put his little ass down. Hey, go to the...

Yeah, here we go. Now we go set up. Look at your boy in the back. Look at the phones. Look at... You right there standing up. You're just slaying back. Your shoulders are crazy.

You're right. Your shoulders are wild. Who the fuck? This is a fake cut, go into a cradle. So usually when you take the diamond position because you know when you, in wrestling,

you'll either get top or bottom if you're on top. You like get around their stomach. Can you move this stuff so you can show me? No, no, no. You sure? Take a minute. Okay.

But you get around the stomach, you know, you place it on the elbow, ref slowly around the belly button and right when it touches when the whistle blows. But I'm going diamond like, hey, I'm going to diamond cut them.

Like, I'm going to put my hands on his back. and I'm going to let him up, give him a point because I know he can't take me on my feet. Go Diamond, I'm on the side, and instead of letting him up, I just go for that cradle, just head in the side and crank him up. God damn. I understood most of that.

I'm watching that, and I told Cody, I was like, I can't believe that kid never won state. I'm watching, I'm like, he has it in him. Sounds like he didn't have the drive. You tried to quit in high school. Well, I quit in sixth grade and didn't come back until my parents starting to ground me in high school.

Which is just nuts. Wrestling's a different, that's a different game. It's a different world, bro. Is there a piece of you that wishes you had a little cauliflower here? I do. No, but that's like,

yeah, you got a little bit of cauliflower here. I guess it does. Yeah, yeah, I see it. You boys got a little bit of cauliflower here. I tried skipping school

when I got this cauliflower here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I came home acting all beat up. Like I just wasn't. feeling it had some cough flare a little blood coming from the ear how cool did you feel they drain it

no because it didn't get puffing of like cody's gotten his drain because he's got cough flier and it's like cody was an actual real wrestler yeah cody's you don't mess with cody you see cody at a bar and he's poking you in the chest you let that poke happen yeah Cody that's when you pull aside you're like buddy what are you doing like we're just trying to have a good time right well you don't got to look at everybody thinking they're trying to fight his version of a good time is you know them graco's that they're just psychos there's no really you're just He really, he's down in 30A and he's staring everybody down. Yeah, buddy, we're on vacation.

There are guys you go and you hang out with your, you're at the house, pre-gaming with the boys, just like, yeah, we're having a good time. He's all smiles. And then they walk through the bar door and it's like a trance comes over them. Yeah. They get severed. I thought I was literally going to bring it up. Yes.

Great tradition. I was going to bring up severed because it sounded like that's what happened. Severance season finale this week. I am so down the rabbit hole on every theory that is out there. I follow the Severance fan club on X. I've been checking out everything any message board

that I can fill my brain with severance and I have no clue what's going to happen or what's going on We gotta be careful Jack hasn't watched yet You haven't watched Jack

I was out of town all weekend He's in Knoxville Yeah I was at a wedding all weekend So I got back last night And you didn't watch it When you got back I started watching it In five minutes I fell asleep

But you have to watch this last one It's on the to do list Tonight 100% Bro James All right I get off the bus. We're going to do this.

He does that little... He does that little moan. What is that noise? He's like, I wish you'd take them raw. And she's like cutting this little egg and you're like, dude, this dude's a little psycho, bro. You're not listening. Or hand on the mic.

You guys, we're in the middle of a podcast. Get her start to whisper the things. Go like, hey, so, or when she's at her desk. You can talk. You have to talk. I was just playing into the... Or when she's at her desk, looking at the little code. Yeah.

And he walks in. My helie. She's like, what the fuck? Yeah, bro. I don't know what's going to happen this week, but I am so locked in. The last scene. I'm telling you something's going on with the sister. Something's going on with the sister, Mark's sister.

You know when she pulled up and Colbell's like, she's one of James? Like the the James guy is kind of like this Epsteinist figure, it feels like this elite. Well, I'm just saying, I feel like there's so many like calls to the things that have happened, like that happen in the world. it's like, uh, Milchick, him turn it against the system. Everybody else using big words, Milchick's not, for whatever reason you got to talk dumber. Like some racial ties going on and he's just like the man in the system.

Milchick's going to turn. Yeah, and we did get one of our OG boys back on our side. Who? Dylan. Dylan's back. Dude, I'm off Dylan. No, Dylan's back.

Hey, he's got to prove it. He's on a prove it deal. But he's such a pussy. Dude, if you're hitting severed, but in you're seeing your wife in that, in the room. It's like, why is the real life,

dude? Why is your Audi getting upset that she's like having dates on the inside with your severed mind? It's like, you could have some fun with that. I mean, yeah,

they're like, hey, can we hug and kiss? I'm looking at my wife like, hey, I would need you to, we'd have to get down in this little private room.

Come on. Yeah. And then go home and talk about it. Like, I feel like that would be, it's me. It's my brain. You know what I mean?

And he's mad and he walks out because he feels like she's cheating on him with him. Yeah, because Audi, who doesn't get a hose. He's a punk at home, dude. He's not putting in the real work.

And also, Milchick, that's Milkshake, Taylor. You've been hearing milkshake around the office. Same guy. Yeah,

yeah, yeah, I understand. And Milchek getting hit with that work-life balance. Jack's over here, sitting like a flashbang just went off in his ear.

Like, can we wrap it up? No, almost. Go ahead, finish your thoughts. I was just going to say, N-Gh- He's got Ten-Nus in his ear or some shit like that.

right now mark telling milchick about like he's like man it's just work man like i'm just going to take today and it's like it's hitting milchick that he sacrifices absolutely everything for this company that continues to belittle him and pat him on the head and they say hey get in line milchick's gonna flip and it's it's all starting to come together yeah he's already flipped on the one guy that was like that's your job not mine devour feculence what does that mean taylor eat something shit feculence yeah eat shit feces fecetes yes mr drummond

dude I I love the show the edit that you sitting in last night shirm dude you know what I love about you the fucking intentional words you put in sometimes like I know when you like something I always will know when you really

truly enjoy something I love this show that was it so amazing it's like one of my favorite qualities of yours is the passion in your voice you're truly into something. Thanks. That is.

Season finale this week. And Miss Wong, the way they kind of treated her on the way out. Go back tonight, let's go to your thing. And you see that everybody's like, these are raw moments of she's actually a child. The way they're kind of passing around, you're going to take this shuttle. And you can see the little bit of fear she has of just being young, dude. Again, the show is all time. And the little nuggets, it's, again, the Severance fan club followed on X is.

Follow me. Follow me at underscore Wilcompton. Both Instagram X TikTok. All right. You feel good? We're back. Oh, speaking of TikTok, we might as well just shout out the boys.

All of us. We're almost at $600,000. Oh, are we really? Oh, dude. Well, let me ask you a question. First off, I don't kind of said this while everybody was talking. Love these cue cards? Yeah.

Slippery. Got the Q-Cube. They've kind of, they've been fumbled. We got to have a good method. Like, we read the Bojangles. We got throw them on the ground. Yeah, see, I'm not doing that. I'm all mixed up when I went to read the Bojangles.

But let me ask you question. what does a mechanic and auto shop owner in Georgia, a taco restaurant operator in Arizona, and a life savings medical innovator, and Tennessee have in common. Tell us, Taylor. Well, they're all small business owners, they're all thriving on TikTok.

Across the U.S., over 7.5 million businesses from family-owned shops to entrepreneurs are using TikTok to compete and grow. In fact, 40% of businesses on TikTok say TikTok has allowed them to scale their operations, increase sales, and expand to new locations. And that growth, means jobs. Today they're over 7.5 US businesses on TikTok employing more than 28 million people

and that number keeps growing. Small businesses thrive on TikTok. Learn more about TikTok's contribution to the US economy at TikTok economy.com. It's a good read. Thanks, ma'am. You know I've been doing a little bit is I've actually, well, yeah, I've actually, I start reading the cue cards before the show. So my brain's like, you've done this before, buddy. Like, you just keep on keeping on. You've been a part of these words.

Don't let them get you terrible. And I haven't done a fucking thing for my, to get the LASIC or whatever it needs to be done. We got to be accountability. You know what the problem is? Done with that one too and that one. You know what the problem is is

I'm going to do the LASIC and then my wife sends me a bunch of horror stories on LASIC and now I'm scared of LASIC. I'm still going to do it. But I'm a little, I'm a little afraid now and then something about like being on the

podcast and just kind of maybe it doesn't go right tell her to kick rocks when it comes to doing that okay mitch mustache mitch coming at my wife no tailon's awesome but it's like hey you know i'm gonna try i'm trying to do this why are you going to make me scared to do it but my wife is a a nervous version of me which i meet because if my wife was like me i would be we'd be dead we would essentially be dead it wouldn't be over done with that one too you know who is seeing the field well who's seen the field well the Cincinnati bangles You know, before we go to Cincinnati Bengals, I want to say something about TV shows. Okay.

Okay. The floor. I just sat here for 15 minutes and I just heard gibberish. Season four of Shorzy. It's out. And I'm almost all the way through it. Jack, have you looked into it at all? I've seen the first episode and a half, episode two, and then like five minutes of the third.

Big transition season. Yeah. Big transition. It's all about Shorzy. He's getting away from hockey for the first time. He's anybody who's ever played sports, whether it's high school college or in the professional league eventually you got to hang it up now Shores is in this nice gray area not nice gray area this tough gray area where he's trying to figure out what's next for me that's

gonna fill the void that one of what I once was and it's a fight boys is he listening to bus with the boys I hope so Jared Keizor needs to be on this bus he needs it and they could just be him sitting there because we'll be like hey have you seen the show and well's like no okay get off we need to I'm done to listen to the show though you know I'm done to sit there like yourself in severance and talk through it yeah I feel like I was we did it one time and I sat over there and that was fun and now it's become like a weekly thing for you guys and I know next week I'll sit on this show again

while you guys break down the finale and I have to hear Jack have tonight us again in his ear you know what it is too all you need is that one comment that says love the severance talk yeah just like we can have 40 that say stop with the severance talk but if one guy's like love the severance talk

it's not going anywhere it's not going anywhere but that's all I decide I think I'm going to dive in once we get through March Madness and severances over, so I'm starting at season one. People don't know how big that is. That's huge.

It's been a year and a half of us talking to Garrett about getting on it. Yeah. Getting on Shorzy. Because, buddy, I'm just telling you that you will love that show. If I know my G-baby, the way I know my G-Baby, G-Babby, G-B is going to love that show. You're going to love it. I can't wait.

It sounds like you can. March Madness, Severance. And then after that. I can wait. Yeah, you can wait, but not for very long. I'm excited. It's got to be in this year, this calendar year right now. But go ahead.

Talk football, Will. Bengals are doing great. I was just going to say. You were talking about LASIC. I'm like, okay, can we find a little transition to talks to NFL talk? You know who's seeing the field well. Yeah. This is Kennedy Bengals.

I don't think they're seeing the field that well. I think they're starting to. I think they understand they have key pieces they have to keep in the locker room. I think Jamar Chase, T. Higgins, Joe Burrow, those guys all deserve the contracts they have. If you go to our Twitter or Instagram, you can pull up a graphic that our amazing graphic designer Cooper made but shows how much money that LSU team

$666 million. Yeah, it hasn't guaranteed. Derek Steenley Jr. to sign a three year, 60 million? Three year... 30 per year or something like that. Okay, so a three year 90 million dollar deal then. But that, yeah, that team,

that team just in numbers value is probably proving to be the greatest team of all time. Like that, was it 2019? 2019 LSU team. That is insane. me get back on my bangles take for just a one more second. I love the fact that they're keeping these pillars on their team. However, your team wasn't very good last year from a record standpoint.

Your defense was not very good last year. Joe Burrow, as amazing he was and it probably had the numbers to win the MVP, they couldn't get in the playoffs. They had themselves in a situation where they did not control their own destiny in December. So now you've got to get better. You're keeping the pieces you need, but you're also letting Trey Hendrickson walk away, who is a stud for your team. He's an all-pro type of guy. he's the guy to get to the quarterback on a consistent basis. He is now a disgruntled employee. He wants to go somewhere else. He probably will.

And now you have a worst defense. And Hubbard retired. Yeah. Hubbard, the Cincinnati kid who had a great highlight, like a walk away from the game videos. You see it? Phenomenal stuff, a little mini J.J. Watt. Yeah. Walking around there with a little biological arm.

But I just think, yeah, you got to add pieces. I looked in. They added like some fifth year D.T. who was a fifth round pick from the Packers. but other than that, not a whole lot of movement in free agency for their defensive, on the defensive side of the ball, which I get, I get you want to keep those pieces, but boys, we got to, we got to strengthen that defense up

if you want to be, if you want your defense to be in the same level as your offense. Your offense is incredible. And by the way, there's like $150 million on the receivers in the quarterback, and then I think their whole offensive line is like, at like $69 million. Like, we need to spruce those numbers up a little bit too. Yeah, I mean, they still have holes, but if you look at last year, like, yeah, they had a very bad defense. To me, I don't think you can go anywhere but up,

even though you're losing these perennial players like Trey and Sam Hubbard. Because with Trey, it's like you can only pay so many guys at a number that they're going to be happy about. Yeah. And this offense, the way that they were performing, like, even though they didn't make the playoffs, they were still like on that back end of the season, they were like a playoff contending team. They were over, they were 0 and 4 on like a walkoff field goals. So, again, it just comes down to a last second kick with a brutal defense.

Again, they had guys on that defense, but as a unit, they were very bad. And so now they know that they can just get to work on getting young and getting good on defense because they were as good as they were on offense last year, and both of these wide receivers are playing when they're kind of disgruntled about what their future is with the team that they want to commit to them. Now they know this team is committed to them. Joe Burrell's happy because there was a rumor a week or two ago about, hey, if Bengals aren't doing the right thing, Joe B might be asking for a trade. and who knows if that was even real or not.

But now that they've solidified these pieces on offense, they know that they have to get better on defense. And I think, you know, you start trying to find these cats in the middle tier, lower tier free agency that can help your team out, play good defensive football, and then you're going to have to win in the draft. But I still think that they're set up in a very good position to grow off the year that they had last year

now that they got their receivers happy. And again, they did lose these key pieces on defense, but defense was a question mark for them anyway. Like if signing trade back going to make your defense better, They're like, yeah, if he's not on the team, like you get a little worse there. But again, you already know you have a lot to fix defensively anyway. You can't just pay a guy like Trey, try to get to some number that they might compromise on. And he's still a little disgruntled and pissed off kind of doing his own thing on the defensive front, just thinking about sacks.

Yeah. You need some guys to play team defense on the Bengals because it's not, hey, we're not going to lean on. You know, you want the room thinking, hey, let's lean on us to win games. But you just need, you need guys playing team defense in Cincinnati because that offense is what's going to win you these games because you got a killer, center and you got these weapons now on the outside and it's like I think about the time it's it's like them signing jamar chas and t higgins he like gets back to the years of when you know torello and genotro sinko were on the same team where you had these these superstar receivers like they have two contracts now they're in like the top five of wide receivers yeah a very happy

offense yeah you got to get a little bit better on the offensive line you of course have to pour in defensively but i think that they've established like the cornerstones now the cornerstones that were already there are now extremely happy that they're getting paid so i think it's just going to build good juju going into this year. Yeah, you're definitely on the offensive side of the ball. There's good juju and you brought up a good point. This might be my offensive bias, but you don't necessarily need to break off your defense.

You just need 11 guys playing as one. Everyone has to understand what they do, how they do it, edge wall swarm as like I was able to say. 11 Willie Cs out there. You need 11 Willie Cs with a better tan. That's all you need. You need 11 guys with a Wilcompton mentality and a little bit more of a tan from an athletic ability standpoint

and you're rolling. Yeah. Right there, you're top. But, brother, you need a couple guys that can rush to pass her. Because you can't be putting corners and safeties, will he see corners and safeties in positions to be covering all day long. You've got to get to the quarterback. You can do that with exotic blitzes and stuff,

but you much rather than have four guys that can powerhouse their way to a quarterback. Now, you know, a team that needs to make a move, or it needs their move to happen is the Steelers with Aaron Rogers. In my opinion. Because you're looking at a really good AFC North, especially if the Steelers get Aaron Rogers, you got the Ravens, the Bengals, the Steelers. Of course, the Browns, but the Browns, they're not going to...

Browns are going to Browns. The Browns are going to brown. And I think it's... I love these edge rushers, these Max Crosby's, these Miles Garrets, these... These guys, no, no, these guys that are... Not him. These guys that are like, I'm mad about where I'm at. And then they get broke off, they're like, never wanted to leave, actually.

I love it. It's a game of chess. It's a beautiful game of chess. And I think that's awesome. Because at the other day, we want our boys to get paid. Yeah. Miles Garrett needs to bring his big piece on this podcast. Yeah.

And we need to show him that photo and be like, is this real or is this enhanced? Just all of us wearing grays on the pod? Yeah, just grays. Yeah. That would actually, that needs to happen. What do you think of the rumor or the headline with Aaron Rogers and the Vikings? I don't know. It'd be cool for the story because then he's following the exact footsteps of Brett Farve.

but it didn't work out that great for Brett Farf. Like I like, I like him, he was spinning it there for a second. But I, like, like Aaron Rogers, I feel like still has more,

I believe he has more trend of the tires than people believe he has. I think he's still that guy and he needs a good room. And I think the Steelers make so much sense to me to have D.K. McCaff, um, Pickens,

George Pickens. Yeah, and Madison, buddy. Justin Jefferson. I understand. But I don't know. But I don't know.

If it's me, I would want to write my own story a little bit differently. It's just, I think it's just because of the Brett Farr progression, I love Tomlin too. I think I love the fit for the stairs. Obviously, he's going to do what he wants. And there are the rumors that Aaron Rogers is kind of just waiting on the Vikings. But I think you got JJ sitting there. Pat Mahomes comes out and says, JJ McCarthy has the best arm he's seen in forever. He can make all the throws, all the things.

And it's like, you have those weapons. It's a great learning curve for a guy like JJ McCarthy, who's, it'll be his first year starting. He saw Sam Donald have the success he did. He's got the guys you just said as weapons to dish it out to and allow them to make the plays to build his confidence. Like, why not? Why not go with this kid unless they know something that we don't know? That's probably what's taking so long for the Vikings to get back.

Because it is, it's like, if you're Aaron Rogers, I think the Vikings would be the better fit over these teams that are trying to get Aaron Rogers. Because, again, you're going into an offense that goes with O'Connell, West Phillips. You got Brian Flores as a de-coordinator. Like, that's a defense that's going to continue to just get better. already very aggressive like you're going in a situation that's that's prime for a run the

Steelers like yeah they've gotten better um but again who knows how much if you're Aaron Rogers looking at it and you're looking at the Steelers and the Vikings I just think the Vikings would be a a better situation to go into yeah and it's at the end of the world it might be a better situation for JJ if Aaron comes in another got to learn from a vet that's been there for a while hopefully Aaron takes a leadership role and be like I'll bringing this guy along with me. Yeah. Let's see how it goes.

But yeah, I honestly think this is the last year for Aaron. I mean, very well could be. Yeah. You were talking about just shred on the tire. I'm thinking, what,

maybe two years max? But this is a one year all-in situation for whichever team's trying to get them. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe it could benefit JJ, but I'm sure that's probably what's taking the Vikings so long as they're having all of these conversations

to see like what kind of move that they could make for Aaron Rogers. He'll be turning, what, 42 at the end of this year? Yeah. Rippin He's getting up there But he can still spin it He can spin it And he's got

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We don't care where you hear it. Defensive-minded guy. But Arthur Smith, like, that would be a great combination. And then you look at the Vikings, you got Phillips and you got O'Connell. Like, that is an offensive mentality right there to where they're just level two. They're just operating level two and three. And again, you got these cats that have been, that have played for those. coaches have been in the system you got a dog and Justin Jefferson as you're one.

Yeah, you do have pickings and decay, but you know Justin, JJ is about that life in ball. Addison, Aaron Jones. I mean, you have some weapons. Studs. Yeah, I'm with you. Good offensive line. I'm with you. I just see, like, everyone's conversation revolves around Aaron Rogers, not as talent.

A little bit of his age, but mostly it's about all the extracurriculars that go around around him. People talk about the distraction or the Pat McAfee's show and all these things. I've never seen a coach like Tomlin handle those types of situations. You go back to Levon Bell, Antonio Brown, like having those steps guys, the Pouncy Brothers, Alejandro Villanoiva, all these unique and different personalities under one roof. It seems like Tomlin is a guy that can always keep the boat level

in those situations. And I think that's why he would mess so well with Aaron Rogers and get the best of Aaron Rogers, allowing him to do the X, Y, and Z things, let him run the playbook. He wants to run. I know I've seen Arthur Smith sit down with Ryan, Tana Hill before games.

And Tana Hill bluntly going, I don't want this play called. I want this play called. Make sure you call this on that. And you listen to those conversations and you go into the game and you're realizing situations that Ryan was talking about with Smith are now being called and we're having success from that. Yeah. So Arthur does a great job of collaborating with his quarterbacks and just allowing things to

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Our spicy tier talk of best wingmen in the game, Taylor, you've looked in, you had a smile your face that you might be ready to roll yeah i feel good about mine yeah i feel strong about mine um saw this last night i immediately got on got on my phone and started looking up the greatest we man in pop culture history and i realized that the answer has been in front of me the whole time oh i know exactly so my tier three is going to go to doug glatt dug the thug glat uh the movie goon he is the greatest weeman of all time um leflim he is a goal scoring high Hawk on the

on the Highlanders and he can he can shoot and score but he's lost a little bit confidence after he took a big hit Doug the Thug Glat comes in and protects him bringing his confidence back to a whole new level willing to make the sacrifices physically so his boys can make the goals finestly so I have to give Doug de Thuglatt

my tier three when it comes to wingmen my tier two could have easily been tier one by the way this is like a 1A1B for me is going to go to Jeremy Gray wedding crashers. That is Vince Vaughn's character. A man who has the moves he does,

tells the jokes he does, he rambles on and lays on the sword for Owen Wilson, John, his character John, while he's trying to court this woman over and over again and eventually finding love along the way, there's not a better we've in than that

except for my tier one. Now, my tier one is a real individual. I've seen so many times this man close for his boys, whether it was college or high school or wherever. He's talked about it on Bad Friends podcast. My tier one is myself. I am the greatest wingman all of all time.

No, Moogh. I've done work for Moogh too. I've done work for all my boys, dude. There's nothing about a shameless friend that's willing to walk over to anyone at any time and tell them, hey, I'm here for you, but not just me. My boy's more here for you

than anybody else could ever be in their entire lives. Walk with me, talk with me, and I'm going to bring you over to them. have a couple drinks, see where the night goes. Bat at a high percentage too. Bet at a high percentage. Not to mention also from a recruiting standpoint at the University of Michigan,

I only lost one guy ever. All right? I only lost one guy in the recruiting pitch. So that's my tier talk. Mang gave himself to tier one. Self-glaze. Yes. Very safe week to do that with no JP on the bus.

That could have been a huge tree. I thought about putting Patrick Starr as my honorable mention for JP as the tip of the cathode JP. I have some tears. I want to hear your word first. Solid. Well done. Hyphenated. Hyphenated.

Big guys. Vane. Good. But good, though. All hyphenated. In a good way. Vane, but in a good way. Yeah.

Yeah, all big guys is a good comic. Gee, that's really, that's detailed. That's thought out. Big guys. I'm trying to figure out how to rate them, how to rate my three right now. Okay. I love them all.

Take a moment. Take a second. Not too long, though. I think you have to, my tier three is going to be Vince Vaughn from Wedding Crashers. Wow. Sorry. You don't know.

Well, you think that's low? You have the four. We could break all that down. Do you think that's low? Yeah. I mean, Vince Vaughn. Incredible. Wedding Crashers.

The maneuvering he does. Thinking on his feet. It's a booze talking. Yeah, it's the booze talking. Outjot you on my hair. Mm. Just the tip, just for a second, just see how it feels. I think Vince Vaughn is my three.

My two, and man, I don't want to say this. But I'm gonna go with the boy. I'm gonna go with the boy Taylor. And he's right, like, I have zero experience with him, but you just, you see the man work. And this is a guy you talk about no quit. fighting to the end if he were to get a challenge like that, I do think, I do think it is Taylor.

Like Taylor, Taylor is up there. I mean, you're tier two. And honestly, it pained me to hear you tell yourself tier one. Because honestly, I was about to put you there. Really? I was kind of hoping you go first with the hope that this is, sorry, go ahead, go ahead. I'm all smiles right now to my cheeks hurt.

But yeah, man, I think it's you. I think, again, a lot like Vince Vaughn, You know, very first podcast we did on OTP, like my comparison for you, like, personality-wise and everything else, was Vince, is Vince Vaughn out of like a wedding crashers movie? And I think you operate on that kind of level. And I give you the nod because I have a personalable relationship with you. So I give you the nod over Vince Vaughn, Vinci, if you're out there watching. My tier one is going to be none other than Barney Stinson from how I met your mother. I think Barney Stinson is, yeah, have you met Ted?

He's just, he's a wordsmith. He's suited. He's like, let's suit up. He's got a theme for all of it when you're stepping out. He's like, let's get suited up. Let's get suits on. He's got a closet full of him. And he's just, that show, how I met your mother was,

is probably my favorite sitcom. I think we've done Tear Talk before on sitcoms. I do believe how I met your mother might have been my number one. But I love that show. And I love the character of Barney Stinson. And I think that guy is the number one wingman in the game. And if you ever had a night out or had the ability to, to have one with him,

I think it would be a memory that you never forget in your life. And so that's my tear talk. I'm watching how I met your mother for the first time right now, season four, so I'm very happy. I know what you're talking about.

Yeah. How great is that show? Phenomenal. It's so good. Such a good show. Ted is a bitch, though. Whoa. That bothers me.

It bothers me how much of a bitch is like some time. That's an insane tape. Yeah. I don't like how my, I think he's a little. Yeah, Robin Rips. He has a, he has,

He has his moments for sure. And all the moments I'm thinking about in my head of him being a bitch, I have actually done myself, but still, it's watching it. It's like, God damn it, man. He's the vulnerable one. He's the character. You can be vulnerable, yet dangerous.

You can feel strong, yet have a soft size. You can have all the things. It just shows them. But then the side characters aren't what they are unless Ted is the way it is. You know what I mean? True. True. Well written.

Yeah, very well written. My one word, amazing. Elite. incredible greatest you've ever done never had a better moment on this podcast hyphenated

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wait for it dairy and then he asked to the mic I go don't steal my man so that's me and G's I guess

tier two that's my that's my hyphenated tier two damn good the boys. I haven't been my favorite tear talk about the whole time.

And as you guys said that too, I'm thinking like, damn, that was a good tear talk. Smiling about it. And if I would have went first, I think you would have been the one. Really? Yeah, I just, the double back you would have.

Kissed. Kiss up. Yeah, because I think you got it, man. I'm surprised you didn't put, like I just wanted to put a fictional character too and everybody, like, if you've watched how I met your mother, everyone knows. Barney is a late.

Once Barney Stinson rolls off the tongue, it's going to be. I'm surprised you didn't do Ryan Reynolds. What's that? I'm surprised you didn't do Ryan Reynolds. In what? Like Deadpool? Just in general. Yeah, just his style.

He's married. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gets the attention, but we'll ditching away. Ryan Reynolds, they're kind of in a different. There's a lot going on in the internet between Blake Lavling and Ryan Reynolds. Oh, really? Should we dive into it? Yeah.

Not the best, yeah? Not a good look for our boy. It's continued. Yeah. Can I say something without knowing nothing? Go ahead. Can I say something without knowing. I don't know any.

context at all about this yes so I'm just gonna say something I'm a fan of Brian Reynolds okay that wasn't no no I wasn't gonna I mean I just regardless of what's happened he's talented and I like him I like a stuff okay yeah okay you thought no I didn't know that's why I was kind of like oh no I just feel like a lot of times I feel like a lot times when these this this stuff happens people just toss you out to the side right I want you to know I'm still a fan of your work yo yo yeah yeah Ryan Love your work. Yeah.

Of your piece. Probably have a beautiful piece. Yeah, I'm fired up about that to your talk. You know who just missed the cut? And again, zero experience. But you just assume based on the stories and everything else, Delaney. Oh, shit. Honorable mention to Delaney Walker.

Yeah. Good call. Because I was like, do I want to go, like, you know, do I want to have two characters fictional? Because I'm sitting there, I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about Taylor. I'm thinking about Delaney. I'm even thinking about my boy, Logan. Logan. Yeah, bro.

He's like that. He's just got this spirit about him. He'll approach anybody. He'll approach any group and being on bachelor parties and everything else with him. Like he's just got that spirit about him to where he's not the most intimidating. But he just, he has a confidence that it doesn't. You know what I mean? You know what it's like you might you might eye up a table of gals or a group walks in?

A couple of ladies. And the boys. And I'm one of them. You kind of wonder where you're nervous. Middle school dance asses. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Like I'm one of the more nervous. guys. I'm not like the, I'm not like a tailor. I'm not like the guys. It's like, they don't think nothing of it. They have the confidence. They have the bravado and everything else. I don't know if it was the teeth I had when I was young to where there's just like a festering that happens where it's like, hey, you know, how are we going to go approach this group? And there's just a guy in the group that just has, seems to have the confidence in the, all the confidence in the world that just, that they, you're like game strategizing with the fellas. And then there's one that's like, oh yeah, why, why are we spending so much time talking about this? He's already at

the table. He's at the table. Like, why? while you're talking. He's Leroy Jenkins right now. And he's got the, you know, he's got the ladies coming over to where you're mixing it up, you're talking and everything else. And Logan's got that,

he's got that ability. Shout out Logan, man. Shout out the boy, Logan. Because you need a guy. Yeah. You need a guy that hits it. And a lot of times the guys that are like the type of confidence,

they're in it for themselves. They like to go in. They know what they're doing. They know what their mission is. Yeah. It's a different kind of guy that's like trying to, you gotta push it off this. Hey, this is, how are you?

Everything's good? Boom, pass the ball. Yeah. I pass the ball to your voice. And, but that ball ultimately comes back around. I mean, we're very happily married,

but I'm saying, no, I'm trying to process the ball back around thing. Oh, you say they come back here. Yes, the vibe you give off, it ultimately works back in your favor

because you're making it all happen. You're like the guy that's facilitated. Yeah, that's facilitated a little thing. And then, you know, the ladies start talking to that gentleman because they have the ability,

they have that approachable ability. You know what I mean? I feel you. It's like the guys that are, that are like us, you can get in your own head about how your game and your strategy is going to be. And it's like paralysis by analysis.

You're like overthinking it. With the guys who can approach and do everything else, they're making it about a purpose bigger than themselves, but at the end of the day, that one can win. I've never seen more beautifully done than a guy like Rob Mojee. Yeah.

And I just, I was wondering if Rob was going to make... No, because I never seen him really be a wingman. Like, Rob is definitely one of those cats. Like, even in high school. Like, we would go to places and he'd be like, oh, I'm going to go home and change real quick. And then he just would not ever come

out because you know somebody would come over or something like that and even now like I I remember specifically like when my wife and I first met I went and got pizza with Rob my wife Tealen and one of Taylin's friends and Rob comes in that we say what's up I introduced them as the first time Taylor and this girl have met Rob Rob goes I'm gonna use the bathroom we sit down and Taylor and goes he's fucking hot and I'm thinking I'm trying to court tailing so I'm like in this like interesting little like, okay, how do I navigate that world right now, right? Because I brought you. Yeah.

But I realized this is Rob Ruggie's beach and you're the sand. You know, and that scares me a little bit. But Rob just has it about him. And raw, it's not about Rob, but how like confident he is. It's the, it's the laugh. It's the smile and the laugh and that beautiful head of hair that he has. Yeah. He's just, he has it.

Mike Campanaro has it. Who else? There's one of the other. Campbell, he's like a guy that'll approach. Yeah, he's a guy that'll approach. approach but I feel like honorable mention to Mike Campanaro. Honorable mention Mike but also is Mike working for the boy or is Mike working for Mike that's why that's where the wingman think it's a little pulled apart right there

yeah because I think Mike walks into a situation he sees he sees the field he sees the entire he's got no peripheral vision issues yeah he knows where he's going he gets where he's going and then he gets out of there like Mike Mike's a ninja smoke type of guy yeah like all of a sudden you'll see a dust and he'll be just out of the out of the room and that's what I think is beautiful that's a whole other game that I don't I I don't I there's a lot of of rules out there right a lot of rules out there yeah Mike's a finisher yeah he's a finisher he's a finisher he's a closer you know like a put me behind the eight ball and I'll figure it out yeah like it's almost better if Mike stumbles and falls of the ground at first he's like

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guest that we've gotten to sit around, talk with, experience. And I'm excited for this interview because you're deeper than all of us. I feel like every story that you tell you can just hang out with you and you have a story for absolutely everything. And you get to learn about you a little bit. You got your, you started to find your niche in writing and you have this way of storytelling and bridging the non-hunters with the hunters, the conservation stuff, just the history of hunting. You're able to bring it all in in every experience or the two experiences that we've had hunting with you.

So I feel like you're the most fascinating guests we're going to have on this podcast. That's great, man. I don't want to say anything to ruin it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to end. No, he's absolutely right. Like, coming up here last year,

we went on a little duck hunt. And there was obviously some nerves because we knew, like, we were aware of you from, well, I mean, the first time I saw you was on Joe Rogan. Okay. And just your, the amount of passion and how intentional you are about conservation, about hunting. And now Will and I, who are two domesticated cats,

are walking into Montana, like, God's country to sit with you and all your professional buddies to go on a hunt. It's like, man, I hope these guys, like, kind of embrace us a little bit. Because I don't know if you've, like, know if you notice a bit like in the man's man community. There's always, like this, like, an egotistical, like, kind of dick measuring competition going on. I don't know if you guys would be, like, kind of laughing at us. But we came in and you guys were awesome. Like, you guys just treated us as, like, legit.

Like we were kids, but in a good way. Like, hey, we're going to teach you up. These are the do's. These are the don'ts. You guys are great with gun safety and all that. So it's been a fun second experience as well. It's just awesome. So we do appreciate it.

What is it like having guests that don't necessarily know what they're doing in the hunting world? I enjoy it. I've always liked it because it lets you, it lets you see the world to fresh perspective, a new perspective. I got started and doing a lot of the outdoor stuff, hunting, fishing, and trapping and all that. I got into very young, so I have no recollection of starting out doing it. And it is really, it's exciting for me to bring people in

and have them see it for the first time. That's one of the reasons I like to get out with my kids a lot and just like kind of see it through new, you know, see it through a new perspective. And I think at a point too when you get like, Sorry, light switch is right there I thought it all just turned off I know I thought I did too

Gun operation you're running Steve Let me slide this over What? Oh, he just he bumped the light switch there So we're still rolling though We're still rolling All right Power didn't go out just just the lights here

Go out with your kids, new perspective Yeah and then There's a thing to happen I'd hear people say that this happens But I couldn't even picture it happening is people say, well, eventually just more fun to, like, see other people have success, you know? I got this body of mine, a dude named Zuck that I hang out with a lot. Does he own Facebook?

No. Okay. No. No. This dude's last name is just straight up Zuck. Okay. Nice. It just ends at the K.

Guy Zuck called Mother Zucker. This dude, like, so he's hunting his whole life. you know he don't hunt now he only like it's just like he just like he just seldom yeah yeah he just likes to take people and just whatever it is he just has where he doesn't need to do it anymore he just wants to have he wants to like help other people and uh you know i could picture i'm not i'm not there but i could picture that more and more happening right it's just fun to take people i think did you have fun watching me miss that coyote yesterday i had more fun watching that happened, then if I'd gotten it, yeah.

Yeah, well, it seems like, it sounds like based on listening to the other conversations, you could have had an opportunity to get it too. Well, there was a gun in your hand and you decided to laugh at it. Garrett did say, if I had that gas gun, I would have put it down right when you missed it. Well, no, the main, like, the main thing is I woke up in the morning. Yeah, Garrett was talking crazy. Yeah, I was telling you, I woke up the morning and I thought, um, I was going to grab my shotgun. If we'd had a shotgun, we'd had it.

But he just, he came in, he came hard and fast. Yeah. On Rabbit number six was the sound we were playing. Yeah. You were messing with that call or like you were playing a video game. You're like, oh, I got these new calls. Let me try him out. Was it Max?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Max was showing me the film and, dude, the intensity you came. He was like, hey, he's on the right. Okay, yeah. All right, shoot him. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. You get it. Bro, and I'm just thinking putting myself in Will's position.

Holy shit, dude. I was so nervous because of him. I couldn't imagine. Steve was under the weather, so he wasn't at the shooting range of day before when we're trying to dial in the shots and you're messing with the tripod and you're trying to lock it in and get a good shot and obviously the targets aren't moving so when we get there the next morning and they're like hey will you're going to go with steve i'm like uh all right you know you're feeling the nerves like all right i got to try and i want to try and you know

make steve proud this is my captain and so we sit down and within within sitting down what within five minutes he puts the call out there and right away it's like hey hey there's one there on it get on it get on it are you on it all right you're going to you're going to shoot it shoot it when it stops. And then I'm like, I'm trying to get it dialed in and realizing my tripod, like, okay, I can't set up to where I get it tightened up and I'm scoping in on this coyote. Like it doesn't seem like it's going to stop. This thing's moving.

And he's like, shoot it when it stops. And then it wasn't stopping and it keeps coming in faster and faster. And the vlog will be out soon. And I started just trying to follow it on the scope. And he's like, shoot it. And then there's a pause and he goes, are you going to shoot it? And I'm like, yeah. I take a shot and miss.

And I look to the right and I see Steve And he's just laughing It blows me away Like you Stephen and I was with Garrett And we're like just the intentional walking First off you guys are men's on mission Like you guys are just going at a pace that There's no domesticated human being

Can actually go at And in this alpha team Just the rate of walking That's my specialty But Garrett Gareth will just start walking And I'll be like walking behind I'm like kind of like watching his feet And stepping where he steps

And then all of a sudden he'll just abruptly stop Like a duck You can just kind of look around a little bit And he's like, right over there. That's where to go. I was like, all right. I have no idea what you saw. But picking out, even doing the targets the day before,

he'd be like, all right, go to F, whatever it is, about 750 yards off to your left. And I'm just like, I got this scope in my hand. I'm just doing figure eights trying to figure out, like, where the hell is this F? And I'd find the number. You're like, all right, to the left of that. Okay, to the right of that.

And it's just the, you guys' ability to just see the world out of the, like the live, the live animals that are walking around is just mind-blowing. Yeah, that kind of stuff definitely comes from a lot of exposure. And shooting at the range is great. And you learn a lot shooting at the range,

but never, you can't replicate the stuff like what we saw with where there's like timing. Yeah. You know, timing and then trying to predict like behavior. And, you know, it's tough, man. It's tough. You just got to have, you know,

takes a ton of field experience. but the the walking deal that's the thing that's always bummed me out is there's no sort of glory there's no like Olympics shit do you know what I mean there's no like championship something that you get a metaphor

for just walking through the woods man or like walking you know what I mean like there's no there's no way that you ever get formal recognition for just being really good at like a measured paced walk do you take do you take governing body You take pride in your pacing?

Like, are you aware that you're just burying me as we're climbing those mountains? I'm aware that, like, yeah. If I started, he's not aware of it. If I started to run, I would have shin splints. It'd be terrible. But if it's just like a walking, yeah, it's like I'm, I'm, I'm, like, extremely good at just regular walking. Yeah, dude, we're climbing those mountains. I don't get it.

Not just regular walking, dude, but catching those beavers, too. Like, it's, I felt like a newborn deer, just trying to, like, get around. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, in the mud sinking. And you were smart too, because at one point you're like, hey, if you want, I'll just grab these other traps.

And I'm like, I'm like, I'll go with you, dad. And I'm just in the back, like, I'll stay here. You've been, you've had enough of Steve. Yeah, you boys got it. I'll just come with. We're walking around. I'm in the middle of telling some story

that Steve doesn't give two shits about. And I just like, my left leg all of a sudden just goes like, you know, three feet in the thing. And I'm like, kind of stuck for a little bit. He's getting like multiple traps while I'm like prying my leg out. You just, you just understand terrain. You know, that spot right was, joking had you walk into that spring

and get stuck in that line. It's like up to my sternum. I keep talking about it. I almost died in there. Will, go ahead and check it out. Yeah, so there's this little, there's a, there's a spring. It's a, it's a warm spring. It's not warm to the touch, but warmer than the, uh, it stays open year round where that water comes out of there. And I had waited in there and, and I was joking about getting stuck in there.

But like, later, like, I went into this little muck pocket and got stuck and then later was kind of like thinking like man but you know you were to myself like I was stuck stuck yeah and I realized I was like what would you even have done man and I'm like well I because my buddy pulled me out of there but I had my phone right here you know so I would have been fine but like the second time I went back there when I was with you I left my phone on the dashboard and you know you encounter all kinds of close calls in your life and stuff but dude if if no one knew where you were and I'd got stuck that mud i don't know that i had a couple things i could have tried to get out of that mud hole

but i don't know that i'd have gotten out of that mud hole i'd have been calling someone trying to explain where i was yeah because we're talking through it you would have had to take off your waiters and try and like swim out that'd be the thing i would yeah i guess the next thing you'd try is take off your waiters there's this place and this this is a harrowing story but you know you guys i've been to the town of anchor jlaska no i have not there's uh hurt stories yeah know about you know cap and cook You ever hear Captain Cook? Did he have a serial?

The great sailor. No, the cereal. I've heard of Captain Hook. Yeah. Named back. So there's Captain Hook. There's this city of Anchorage is on this thing called Cook Inlet. And there's a arm of Cook Inlet called Turning an arm.

And it's just, it's got silt. Like it's different kind of muck, but it's got silt like that. And, uh, but it's also got a tide. And there was a story from years ago. It's just so, like, heroin to think about where the, a woman walked out on that muck got stuck in that muck and the tide was coming up

and there was like first responders there trying to extricate her from the muck and no joke it's drowned her god that would be such a scary way to go out because you're not only stuck in the muck but then the fucking water rises man that's just the worst man you know what I mean

and I was telling you guys about that dude in the ice you know shit like that's haunts you man just being found frozen holding herself up you know knowing that you're trying to get out and just there's nobody around but the lady in alaska getting stuck like she's got to be so panicked and then see the first responders and there's got to be a sense of relief like i'll thank god i'm gonna get out of here and they go to help her but then they're like hey well i was getting too bad we got to get out here and they have to essentially make the conscious decision that we

have to walk away from this lady and let her die yeah trying to help her breathe through a tube and stuff yeah oh yeah there's certain like there's certain like get yeah like weird but you know with outdoor stuff people spend a lot of time i've written about this fort in various ways. People spend a lot of time thinking about, oh, I'm going to get attacked by a mountain lion. I'm going to get attacked by a grizzly bear, which is great to think about.

But, like, then when you're out messing around and doing stuff, you realize all these kind of, like, really mundane, dumb ways to have something bad happen to, you know? But all your mental energy is like, you know, me and my bodies rise, like, this never-ending debate, you know,

like, should you have your pistol or your bear spray, you know, and you don't even think about, or you just get stuck in the muck yeah yeah you're stuck it out think it out what's been what's been your closest calls you want to be just stuck yeah what's been your closest call the the in reviewing the back of my head there's there's a thing that happened with uh in southeast alaska we have a little fish shack in a remote area of southeast alaska fly into our fish shack and uh when i before my we were married Before me and my wife were married.

We were out one night and it was right around between Christmas and New Year's. We're out on our boat at night coming back from deer hunting and hit a submerged log so hard that it like we're going pretty fast trying to get back before it got dark and hit a submerged log so bad that it knocked the engine back up in the boat like the engine like bam up into the boat you know on the tilt. and the bow dove down and just scooped up a big old mouthful water in that bow and we were out in this we were out in this big channel in the water there's at that time of year the water there's upper 40s and you can't last anytime in that water you know and um and dude like reviewing it my like reviewing in my head we were like so you never made the beach you never made the beach i used to know that i met this guy

There was Coast Guard up in Catch a Cam, which is near there. And him talking about going to distressed vessel things, you know. And he said, like, it's always the same thing. Like, people's dying the water so fast. And then he said one time they do a call and they get there. And there's two people that were, uh, they had hit the beach, but they're just dead on the beach. From hypothermia, you know? Yeah.

And that, like, that water, they're serious. And I've always taken my kids out. We take them out and he realizes like it's, it's, yeah, you're just playing with, I don't know what I say playing with fire because like a lot of people do it. It's just that, that's a sketchy environment, you know. Yeah. And I'll bring up to them or bring up to other parents and talking about having kids and raising kids is like I like to kind of put them in a, what I call it like an arena of consequence. do you might like to bring your kids

into situations where there's like real ramifications to stuff do you know what I mean like it's like real you know and and I'd like to do that with them but then sometimes you also realize that if something bad happened you can imagine like the articles about what

an idiot you were right you know I mean yeah who would ever take little children yeah yeah out in some 18 foot skiff you know what I mean and you'd be like and people be like oh Darwin awards you know and all that shit you know I'm saying and you'd be like that you'd be like the never you'd be you'd be remembered as the idiot they wanted to put them in an arena of consequences yeah and you would

yeah they wouldn't remember you as like the the dad trying to like make his kids tough trying to make them better you're going to learn today yeah dude we uh when we were trapping you were talking about just like these muskrats and hey they used to be like $45 now you could probably get like $5 for these beavers and like you could see the passion in your face and your voice about just like trapping and you even said like when I was growing up

that's what I wanted to be was a trapper which to me growing up in Arizona I think it was like one of the craziest comments I've ever heard in my life like I never even thought I thought that like died in the 1800s yeah the end trapper but you see the next time we talk I'll explain that there was a path forward for you in Arizona

as a bobcat man He has a podcast man. But we, I can outline it for you later. What you would have needed to have done. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember I think it was on a call about what we should call it and well we were thinking I'm originally calling it

one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was this is how you guys remember it going down yes I have a very different memory of this we were talking about a thing a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say hey Jonas and then I wrote down on my little notepad hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title

for the podcast but thanks for remembering that guy Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Yeah, the Bobcat Trapper. But I see, like, obviously, the meat eater brand has become, you know, every time we come here, or the last two times we come here, like, I was in Vegas this past weekend. People were like, hey, the meat eater stuff you guys did was awesome. All my buddies in Cave Creek are like, I can't believe you got to do that.

Yeah. You know Cape Creek? Yeah, yeah. Shout out the boys. Yeah. But you've built such an awesome. like company and everything like that. Like where did you transition from? I'm going to be a trapper to you know what? I'm going to start writing.

I'm going to start being a conservationist. I'm going to go and oh, I'm going to start a company called me eater and made people more aware of hunting and fishing and the right way to go about these things. Like when did that big transition happen for you? When I, so I started trap at moss grass when I was 10 and was just like consumed by it.

The reason, one of the reasons I liked it, well, it was kind of, there's distinct, these two things that would work together on it. Like, I liked doing it, but I was also very interested in, remember we're talking about Daniel Boone? Mm-hmm. I was very interested in these, like,

these guys that we now call long hunters, like the early deer skin hunters, and very interested in mountain men and these other groups of guys that, that would go out and just supply the skin trade, like fur trappers and hunters and shit. I was just fascinated by that stuff. Part of a while I was fascinated by it is because I like to do it too.

And these were like these, these were these iconic American figures who made their livings doing that and had all these wild ass adventures, right? So I want, like when I was little, I wanted to make my living doing like as a hunter and trapper. The only contemporary version of that would have been being a sort of like, like generalist trapper um who traps for fur and and whatever else when they're growing up you know

or getting older and it just became untenable at the same time it became untenable because the economics didn't work out because this mark there's a market that like really fluctuates wildly i got interested in writing and for a while i thought well what i'll do is i thought i could supplement my income from trapping as writing articles about trapping went to college as an afterthought. I don't really know. What's the test you're supposed to take when you, like, what are the A-C-Ts?

Is that what you do? Is it? Is it? Yeah, SAT and A-C-T? I let people tell me there's no way this is true. I know I went down and took the ASVAB. I took the military test and thought about going to the Army for a minute, changed my mind.

I don't think I took the college test. Like, I honestly, God, don't think it. I remember going down to the community college. We had, where I grew up was in Muskegan County, Michigan. I went down to the community college and I wrote a check for 600 bucks for a semester of night classes. And that was, and I began college like reluctantly. Really? Yeah.

Reluctantly. Dude. And, and, uh, kind of fell in love with it. But I took two years of night classes and just kind of started getting into school and like getting more into writing. And then pretty soon, I was very, pretty soon I was very focused and dedicated on like becoming a writer. whenever I give professional advice I always point this out like when I get professional advice now to people I always tell them like

if I'm talking to kids or whatever I tell them like never have a plan B you guys probably know what I'm talking about because you made it a thing that was impossible to make it into like it's impossible to become to be in the NFL right right so it's like kill any plan B because it'll be more seductive

it'll be easy and you'll just, you'll do plan B. If the plan B is sitting there, it'll be the draw is too strong. Like you'll be sucked into your plan B. When adversity strikes, you'll look back at that plan B and be like, it would be easier just to do that. I could just pivot to this lane.

Yeah. Yep. And so, even though my plan A was like to be a trapper, my plan B was to be a writer, once I, once I settled on that idea, kind of like, sort of an adult notion of what to do is like to be a writer, I was, I was either going to do that or I was going to die you know what I mean like there was no other option

I never entertained other options about it outside of writing yeah I was like I was going to make it work as a writer and for years you know it was it's hard for years right like it's it's hard to get there financially but I don't if you're not married if you don't have kids you're not married like it doesn't like there's no such you're not like actually poverty you just bro broke right it was broke so you have years of being broke as a writer but I eventually got there and uh and just by being that that's what I was going to do you know what was the one thing that

started to catch catch traction in the writing world that started to shift like okay now I can start supplement money making a little bit more money like when did that momentum start in writing yeah I um you know the there's there's a man meritocracy to it right there's absolutely a meritocracy to it but there's also like a connections thing i got lucky there's this there's this writer he used to be very prolific writer this is this writer named ian fraser he wrote this phenomenal book about the american great plains called great planes where he just spent years cruising around on the great plains he's a really he's really good about culture writing um really good about like writing about landscape

and Western American West and Western history. He had this book. So he wrote this book, Great Plains. I love this book. It wound up being the weirdest deal where, like, he had never gone hunting. And he'd written all about, like, he'd written the whole books on, like, the Lakota Si and all this Western stuff, but hadn't hunted for some reason. And I got a chance to take him on his first deer hunt.

I took him on a canoe trip for deer. He gets a deer. And meanwhile, we talked. a lot about writing and he takes some of my stuff and sends it takes a piece I wrote and sends it to outside magazine um and this is in the very late 90s 99 the piece published in 2000 and i had written a piece about um that we used to go to the bar when the bar closed we would go out and sleep inside this dam and then fish white fish and steelhead inside the dam at daybreak you know and I wrote this whole story about doing this

and he gives it to his editor at Outside Magazine and they bought it for $4,000 bucks which I thought dude when I went there's this like I was living in Missoula, Montana when I got that $4,000 bucks I remember I bought a to Topper

for my truck which is like $800 and went out to Hot Springs Montana and basically just hold up at Hot Springs Montana in a like room for a couple days to try to just process the

like the windfall. Yeah. The amount of wealth Yeah, the amount of money. Man, $3,200 after that. I know. It's like I got a to topper.

I got a to topper. I'm going to blow a couple more hundred here at the Hot Springs Hotel. Now, what's my path forward? And yeah, that was it. It was just like, it was, I remember that dude telling me in the, in the writing world. And everything, it's changed so much.

Like, this is an old-ass story, right? This is the year, 2000 but him saying like he said like as a writer he goes somehow you just wind up with like a stamp of approval on your head he goes I don't understand it but all of a sudden you get it and you got it you get like the stamp of approval yeah and so in those days there's a hundred ways to do it but in those days there were certain magazines that once you would publish in those magazines it was like your stamp of approval and then all of a sudden people would like you could sell a book, right?

It's just like, all of a sudden the whole world opened up to you. All of a sudden, you know, TV people call either about development, you know, maybe they want to license something you wrote or get an option on shit you wrote.

I don't know, just all of a sudden, like you struggle, struggle, struggle, struggle, then all of a sudden, like some imperceptible piece, thing happens.

And it's, and all of some just life becomes easy. Yeah. And he told me that would happen, you know? Yeah. Or he told me that's, you just get, you need to get the stamp of approval. You'll know it when you got it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was true, man. Outside her magazine was a stamp, huh? Yeah, that was it. Outside magazine. And I want to be on the mast-headed outside. I wrote a lot of articles for outside. And I wrote, I wrote all over the place.

I wrote, like, I did magazine, I did magazine bits everywhere. I did, um, every, I wrote all tons of magazines. And then to start doing books, you know, and then from books got into doing television. television kind of got into doing podcasts and then were you excited about television because you're talking about you know plan a was trapper plan B was writer then writer becomes plan A when TV starts to come into the equation that's like another opportunity you know getting in front of the camera no not in and not in and of itself at all I felt like it was a I felt TV was a way to but I felt TV was a way to kind of round everything out with books.

Like I thought it would be a way to find audience and find readers, you know, like the primary. Like at any point in time, if someone said, if at any point in time someone came to me and said, hey, you got to, you got to choose, like, you can, you can host TV host, or you can write. at any time I would never without a doubt I'd always go toward writing always always if I ever had to make the decision but I always just looked at it like part of a thing you know what I said that the or I always looked at as like part of being a writer was doing that kind of stuff remember I said

the industry changes so much over time and being back and like when I was starting out that magazines were a good way to come in there's a hundred ways to come in I mean, you guys are media, you guys are like media professionals, like, came out of athletics, right? Like, I wasn't aware of that path to media. And it's, everything changes so much. Like, you couldn't do it the way I did it anymore.

But what became obvious to me over time is it became obvious to me over time that you had to learn, you had to think of like your world as a set of ideas, right? like it's in the set of ideas lives and it's this thing and you can hold like you can hold this set of ideas and and like imagine that there's all these sort of conveyor belts moving away from you do you know what I mean and you can have this thing in your hand it's your set of ideas and you can just randomly place them on these conveyor belts that move away from you when I started out it was like there was only one it was like it was like it was like it was was writing for publication you know and so every idea was placed on that thing on that one belt right but now i imagine that it's this array of belts and it's it's it's like it's podcast material it's it's television stuff you know i've worked a little bit i've worked on some documentary stuff right and it's instead of thinking that i'm doing all these different things i'm still dealing with this contained object, which is my ideas, like the things I care about.

And where I put them isn't important to me. Right? It's just important me that it's, yeah, it's like this remains like my fucking thing. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And I don't really care about all that shit. That's kind of how I've come to think about it. It's the necessary evil to get your idea, this contained thing out to more masses.

Yeah. So they can enjoy and understand it more. Yeah, exactly. And I went to kind of like, I went to at, what, At the time was a, I got into a pretty like a prestigious writing program in, uh, at University of Montana. And at that time, man, there was like, with the internet common, people were deathly afraid of the internet, man. People were deathly afraid of, like, everybody thought that like, that you were this, uh, that, that, like, writing books was the intellectual purity and everything else was less than, you know, and, and, and, and, everyone was real, you know, you could get real snobbish about all that stuff, but I just...

You never fell in that trap? Well, I did, but I fell out of it. I could see it. I could see it. The internet coming, be like, these individuals don't understand the art of pen to paper. Exactly. The community of the person writing. He's Philistines.

Yeah, yeah. In the community that you're in, if they're kind of frowning upon it, you have this vulnerability of, like, seeing it the way you're seeing it as like, these are just vessels that I'm able to get this idea out. They're not necessarily seeing that, but also you feel the pressure of like, if I do do this, you know the boys are going to be. Oh, yeah. You're having some whispers.

That first time he had an article on the internet, you know, he went back into that little group and they're like, Steve. You see Steve's on the internet? Steve sold out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did something on the internet? It's so stupid. Is that like, in the environments and worlds you live in, is that, like, a consistent

where I feel like in the hunting world, there's, like, a lot of, like, purity about it. Like, there's, like, I don't know if it's a cliqueish group, but, like, people have, like, their ways they want to do things. And there's a pure way to do something as opposed to, you know, maybe just the regular hunter who goes, it's in a tree stand and just takes the, just takes the rack or something like that. I feel like you've lived in those types of communities most, if not all your life. Dude, it's like, I'm sure everything is. I'm sure

everything is. I'm sure every discipline, community, whatever, there's like intense tribalism. There's like, there's a tribalism to hunting. It's almost comical. you know what I used to observe is like so so I grew up in a you know I grew up in a Christian household in a Christian community and if you had gone like like people would be I remember people would be they'd feel threatened by where I was growing up people might be feeling threatened by Latter-day Saints right threatened by Mormonism and um because it was like similar but a little different right and you'd look at me like well why aren't you guys worried about like devil worshippers that seems like it would be like a real enemy you know but you're like well yeah no one pays attention to that we're looking at we're worried about the things that are just a little different and then and like the tribalism of hunting is that you uh it's it's it's that yeah like there's like archery guys that are you know look down on rifle guys there's guys that hunt over bait there's guys that don't use bait to look down on guys

that hunt over bait um just whatever hunt you know at some point it winds to be that just guys that use a knife or you're you got to kill something with their bare hands exactly yeah track it down with your bare hands what it winds up being like the more i've been around the country and like met so many people and got to go to so many places it winds up being that that whatever you grew up around whatever's normal to you from growing up around that's right. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. That makes sense. And everyone else is, um, everyone else is like not right. Yeah. Intense tribalism, dude. Intense tribalism. I posted a video yesterday on Twitter or X of just like the landscape. Me and Garrett looking over like it was beautiful, but I had the rifle and someone's like,

be a real man and use a bow. Yeah. That was one of the first comments. I was thinking, yeah. I've never even shot a bow like, but in my head, I guess I'm not real. Yeah. Because I failed this man's a bad. Indian of hunting.

Well, next time you come out, we'll shoot bows. I love shooting bows. There's a rumor going around that we're hunting a bear next time. Oh, really? Rumor there is a rumor. Rumors. I'm glad you know. I'm glad you're very aware that we're hunting a bear next time.

Good. And there's something about the apex predator that I'm interested in. The thought that if I don't kill it, it'll kill me. I knew this would happen. Go ahead. Put me on gay. Talk down. No, you're not going to kill by a black bear.

Fair? But I could be. Yeah, you could be. Right? Maybe a couple of cubs walk by. The grizzly bear could kill you. Yeah, no doubt. Black Bear's not going to kill me?

Man, black bears don't like, here's the thing. They do. So I think that you have black, I think there's like black bear hunting seasons in close 30 states now. Okay. Most, like by far, most Americans live. Within like a 45 minute drive of a black bear. Okay.

There are black bears everywhere. you have you take a state like here it's like we might have 10,000 black bears in this state no one gets killed by black bear okay 10,000 black bears and I can't think of the last time someone in this state's been killed by a black bear you still get the number of them meanwhile you get a thousand grizzly bears and they're killing a couple people a year it's just a different bear man they're like a different bear with a different groove and uh they just got a different worldview and like even then the odds are small but there's like an elite group of there's like an elite group of players out there that are like very high risk individuals on getting mixups with

grizzly bears and it's a real it's a real thing like i've had like close calls with them little skirmishes um it's a different bear if you ever when you were having your mix your mix your mixups with the grizzlies like was there's some fears starting to set in oh yeah it's they're intimidating man they're intimidating it's a real bear i mean i love them to death i love them to death um but yeah it's like you know those bears those bears play for keeps man like in this state you know every year people get people get tore up by um one or two people in the lower 48 get killed by them and there's not that many you got grizzly bears in three states well now and then you'll have one in northern Washington,

but you got a small number of bears that do a lot of mixing it up with people. And they just have a different attitude, you know? Like a black bear, when you scare a black bear or intimidate a black bear, the black bear in his mind is like, he's going to get clear. He's going to get clear of the thing.

A grizzly, like usually as well. usually as well his impulse is going to be to get clear of it but 10% of the time whatever some some percentage of the time it's not 50

it's less than 50 is when he gets scared his impulse is to just like crush what scared him and blackbirds don't have it and it's like it's getting like nine times out of 10 whatever it is like nine times out of 10

or eight times out of 10 he's going to piece out but then you get like the right mix-up, the right proximity, he's in the right mood, whatever, and you, like, scare him? You know what the difference is? Picture you go around to your buddies and you hide around a corner in a house, right?

And your buddy comes in the door. Like, you hide in your buddy's house and your buddy comes in the door and you go, to scare him. Yeah. What percentage of buddies are going to jump back and go, ah? But there's going to be that one that just,

boom. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's a good analogy. That is a good analogy. You're like, I don't know who, you know, like, there's going to be that one that just decides to smoke. That has the, it has the sort of, the sort of response time. Yeah.

I fear. I know. I'm the jump back guy. Oh, yeah, I'm a jump back guy too. Hey, you got me. Yeah, I'm like a sass. I'm going to jump back. I'm going to assess.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could see you being a striker. Maybe I just hold you in high regard because of our tuner action. I don't think. No, try it. Well, don't try, because that sounds scary. Sounds like if I broke into your house, that'd be a world of hurt. If I had a minute to assess, then I would then take steps.

Just a six, seven shadow in the corner of your house. I'll be done. What about polar bear? I know I don't want to think this will turn us into a bear thing. But like, no, they're bad. Something about, something about like, they kill a lot. Cougars and bears and all that.

Because I'm, like I said, Arizona. Like, we got Havillina and heel of monsters and snakes. But there's no, like, giant predators. And so I walk out in the woods around here. You have black bears mountain lions. Well, those are up north if they're anywhere. They're not going to be down in cave creek area, like the desert. And you're overlooking one because usually there's usually a jaguar in Arizona.

A singular jaguar? Dude, I'm telling you. I'll take my odds with the singular. Like I just, I've never, I went to the University of Michigan, and the first time I get there, I see all these trees. I just think there's a bear. in every bunch of those trees. Like that's how dumb I am. And so then I come out here, I'm like,

we're for sure in bear country now. We've got to be. So then my wife is from British Columbia, and they're always talking about bears. Oh, she knows bears. She knows bears. They're aware. They're a whole, like,

if it's a black bear, get big. If it's a brown bear, like lay down. And then if it's a white bear, it's like, you might as well do it. It's over. It's over for you. But. Yeah, but polar bears.

Is that just, you see one of those things? It's game. Man, like I have, first off, I'm very comfortable. talking about black bears and grizzly bears yeah i have zero polar bear experience i can tell you though that numerically they are uh numerically they are a uh high high level of aggression but i'm i'm i'm way over my waiters talking about uh talking about polar bear i'm not a polly i'm not a polly i'm not a polar yeah i'm not a polar bear man polar bears would be i mean those things are massive massive terrifying

yeah we can get up the bear stuff well what do you got i was just going to talk i'll just going to You talk about bears all you want. I just can't talk about polar bears with any level of authority. Yeah, fair enough. I was going to ask, you've obviously built an incredible company with meat eater. You have meat eater, you have first light. Like, every time we come out here, I feel like we learn something new, like 150 employees. Like, how did you build this company into what it is today?

Because it came through writing. You get on television. There has to be a shift in your mind mentally to where it's like, hey, I could have the ability to build something of my own. Because I think that's incredible. It is incredible what you've built with me. Yeah, it's such a convoluted, complicated story. And it's hardly, like, it's hardly at all. It's just not like, it's not the doings of a,

it's not the doings of a single person at all. But I had eventually, do you guys remember, of course you do, all the Anthony Bourdain shows over the years. Okay, so what happened was, um the the production company that made all that bordean stuff it was zero point zero zero production uh chris and lydia tanaglia had zero point zero production and they did like cook's tour which is bordane's first show they did no reservations they did parts unknown and they produced all that material i'm only bringing that up because it's a way to kind of

understand the the group of people on top boat i i fell in with ZPZ on some like development projects to like develop some of the work to some of my writing into TV material and we started making meat eater the show like we just it was like meat eater was a TV show that I was making was zero point zero production I named it that because I just had a new kid my first kid was born and I would read them books about animals like I mainly was reading books about animals and be reading like books about dinosaurs and shit you know And it'd be like this ferocious meat eater, the T-Rex. So I just had that word in my head. And we started this show. And it was like no intention of being anything other than a show. And we would, we'd make the show and we didn't sell it. We just licensed it.

So we licensed it to Sportsman Channel. We licensed it for, we licensed it to Netflix for a bunch of seasons. And we just owned it. If someone had bought it, we would have sold it. to them okay so it was just it was like lucky that we if the right deal would have come along we would have just sold the eye we'd have sold it because that's how tvs always made like when a network a stream or whatever when they buy a project it's usually they that they take possession of the the IP you produce it for them but they own it we just

because we we just got lucky we got lucky and didn't originally sell it to anyone we only ever made licensing deals And it was almost like accidental, right? But what that enabled is it wound up being that we own this whole, we want to own in the like a seed to this whole sort of universe of hunting and fishing content and whatnot. Over time, we got an opportunity to take an investment that would let us spin, that we're approached about taking an investment that would let us spin mediator out

outside of the 0.0 cradle to spin it out and hire our own people. A lot of the guys that worked at, a lot of the guys that worked on the show that I did all lived here in Bowes and Montana. It was just like the very, it was a very small group of people and just almost like weirdly coincidentally were all centered around here. I had lived here before. They were living here. So when we found, when we found a way to like spin me eater off and make meat eater its own entity. We just like moved it here. And then we're able to take like,

we're able to take investment to buy gear companies. And we had had a sponsor, like First Light was a sponsor of ours going way back. Like the founders were one of our first sponsors. We eventually got to a point where we were able to like to buy First Light. And then other gear companies, FHF Gear, Phelps game calls, Dave Smith decoys, we're able to like to grow into this commerce brand. But my, I'm like aware of and know what's going on and, you know, in all aspects of it. But my day in, day out is like our media brand, right.

So we look at it, we kind of look at our world as being we have our commerce business and our, in our content business. and I work day in, day out. I'm like in the content business. But it was just, but it's like, it's not like a thing I did. I didn't have like a roadmap in my head for it. I don't feel, if you think about like your professional life, maybe you guys have found it differently.

I've never had it be that, that, I've never been in a situation where I felt like I arrived at a T in a road. do you know what I mean like a clean tea where you have to decide like you're going to turn 90 degrees right or you're going to turn 90 degrees left I've never hit that professionally every junction I've ever come to has been like like an angle that's the obvious angle or there's maybe like some little shitty dirt road you could take off to the side and I've always just like been like well I'm gonna stay on the one that seems the most like beaten down yeah like I've never had I've never had like some moment to be like oh do I do I do this or do this because they're equally tantalizing it's always been like well no man right now for me the clear option is to go that away right and I've just always gone like the clear option is to go that away and I just go that away I've never had like a do or die do you know I mean yeah I can't think of ever having to do or die, like, thing that happened to me.

Right. Change the trajectory of where you're actually going. It seems like it's all just been one thing to the next thing that's opened up the next door. Yeah, it's never some movie shit, you know, or like, someone's like, take it down. Yeah. You know. Last opportunity you're at a hotel room with a suitcase and a guy. Yeah.

Never happened. Yeah. Was it weird getting into the content world? Like, showing, like, showing hunts. Like, you know, when we go on these hunts and they're prepping us about Steve Renella. And hey, we got to have things in order. Camera guys got to be right because you're somebody who likes to go and do your thing. You're not necessarily thinking content first.

You're thinking hunting first and the content better adapt around it. So it was weird when you're starting to implement cameras into your day-to-day on the things that you love to do and you're wanting to show people? Very weird. Right, right. And then you're showing it to the world. You're putting it on socials. You're putting it on YouTube.

Yeah, it was very weird. And there was a couple times, there was a couple times early on in trying to film stuff. if I like to do. There's a couple times early on. I was like, man, I just don't know if I want to do this, you know. But I fell in love with it. And what, one of the things that really one of the things that made our material stand out in a somewhat crowded space is what made our material stand out is, is, remember I was talking about that shit with like working with ZPZ? So, like, like, picture that, that Bordane show for so long was like of such heavy influence you know like cultural influence like it was emulated it was like the the cool kids worked

on that show it was like the cool show well those dudes so there's like dudes that worked on that show nick brigden jared andrew kannis this guy mo phallin josh feral a bunch of dudes that worked on that show that would come when they weren't doing that they would come out and do hunts and these are guys that would they'd come out and film hunts and these are guys that could give a shit about hunting. But what they were interested in is just like story. Right? They're interested in like telling a good story, making

things like telling a beautiful story. And they're like, what turned them on to it was they're like, every quest is so sort of encapsulated and perfect. Like if you imagine there's a definition of a story, you'd be like, it seems weird to define what a story is, but like a definition, a working definition of a story

would be that there's a person, or a thing, want something, there are obstacles preventing them from getting it. A story is them working

through those obstacles to get it. So you go back to the Iliad, the Odyssey, whatever, like, it's,

that's the story. Someone or something wants something and they have to overcome obstacles to try to achieve it. And they're like, dude,

it's kind of perfect because all the shit and all the thought you put into it, like, what's happening? It's all just, right there. Like you want to go somewhere and get some thing. And then there's all these obstacles,

but they just like happen naturally anyways. Yeah. And then you either do or don't. But it's like, it's like, all you got to do is like turn someone loose in the woods. It's like, it's just, it's there already. So they were kind of fascinated by it just in this weird way of like, you could make these really clean, really entertaining 20, you know, 30 minute episode is actually 22 minutes you make these clean entertaining little stories by just going into the woods and being like what are we after yeah well see way up on that mount thing up there we try to figure out to get it yeah and they're like it was just it was just fun for them you know and they were able to bring their like all their talents of cinematography and other stuff to this thing that they just thought was fun and a lot of

those guys later on did a little bit of hunting and you know and and and and liked it but they were first and foremost they were like they were professionals and normally what'll happen and I'm and man I am not disparaging this shit like I do not want to seem like I'm was I hesitated to bring it up but like a lot of people that would would come up and do hunting material would wind up being that like your crew was guys like to hunt you know and there's a lot to be said for that there's a lot to be said for it but my In those early days of doing it, the crew was like people who were like film professionals. So it was just different.

You know, it was different. And I can't take the credit for it, right? Right. Because they brought like a lot. And so we came out with this show and it was just different. And part of why it was different is it was like, I'm in the world hardcore, but there was a lot of people involved in it just didn't care.

Do you remember all the tribalism and all that? Lost on them. You know? Right. you said, hey, man, we're going to go hunt this kind of weird squirrel. They'd be like, great. They didn't know enough to know that that was done. Cool, man.

Let's, what's the story and taking down the squirrel? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it seems he got a crew now that, I mean, Max himself says, Willis-in-old saying he pointed out the coyote from 400 feet like 40 yards away. Like, you got a crew that, like, everyone just lives and breathes. Oh, buddy. Now I got, now we got best of both worlds because now we got these guys that are, like,

media professionals. but you know a long time's gone by but now there's these like media professionals who are also very passionate and like here's the thing you take a dude like Max really I mean if you kind of looked at it

you'd almost maybe think that like if someone came down like an objective person came down and sort of looked at the meritocracy of it all they might be like dude I think that Max should be the guy on camera

and Steve should be and max crushes the old dude Steve should be like the whatever like the fucking sidekick the CFO guy or some shit you know I don't know and it should be that this max dude is like hosting the trips because like he's got like he's got all this you know he's like a you're guy's like an unbelievable hunter you know like walking around with them it's max spots the coyote 400 yards away steves once max points it out steves knows exactly where it is and I'm thinking I'm gonna what the fuck are these guys looking at? Like, we're the, hey, Steve, we're at on the mountain.

It's right under there, under that little lip of the cliff. And I'm trying to spot it, and the next thing you know, Steve's on the gun, but even walking, these guys and birds. These guys in bird, he'll be in the middle of a story that he's been telling this entire podcast. And they'll just, I don't even know what happens, but he stops like the way you, you know, talk about Gary where he just kind of stops and looks around. Yeah. But he'll be, Steve will be in the middle of a story. and he'll just stop and he'll be like Max, you heard that?

I think, yeah, yeah. It seems like one of those blueberry pheasants that came down that migrated down from the northeast. He's like, yeah. Sounds about four years old. It sounds like you brought his family down here. And it's sitting here

and it'll be in the middle of a story and he'll just hear this noise. They were talking about some like some crane and Max like it stands like four feet tall from South Africa. We're talking about a sandhill crane and letting you thought it was a Soviet crane. We were walking on the hill.

And we'll be walking on the hill and Steve will just stop. He'll sprint to this other hill and find this little bottom jaw of a lizard. Bone him. Hey, check this out. How did you see that? How do your eyes operate that way? Dude, something as simple as we're like driving back in the Canaan from the night hunt last night. Yeah.

And Garrett's in the middle of talking about horses. And a bird goes by. He's like, yeah, so we were a robert pheasant. And he just kept going. He has to let me know that he saw. this bird and you know every particular identify it for me

just so you know that blur that just went across your face as a pheasant you'll never be able to see it again but that's as long as you know now it's insane yeah there is a thing that's like imagine you could look at it and you'd be like it's like

what I was insane I imagine someone could want to look down on it and say it's a sort of like some kind of like a colonial tendency or whatever I don't know but there is a thing with outdoors be like that um cataloging landscape mm-hmm it is I've never called that before but just hearing you guys talk about there is a thing of like the the the the need to like list

it all yeah you I mean you know it's like there's a bird you have to go like you have you can't it can't go unnoticed yeah yeah yeah I mean we're like you guys like like like like like wild animals like a noise goes like yeah yeah well you can be standing on any part of land and Steve yesterday, we're just staying by the river. He's like, oh, look, the beavers, this is where they kind of, you know, this is kind of where they, it's like their Johnny on the spot. Look, they were rolling around over here.

That's beautiful. And you're just standing there. It's like, yeah, there's some grass in here. Steve goes, you see this horseshoe in this little river? I'm like, yeah, he goes, well, see how it's kind of like sloped here? Well, the beavers and the otters, they just think, I'm not going to take that trail. I'm just going to go and slide over here. And I'm just like standing in the middle of, like, their highway or whatever is.

When I'm in the mud and he's talking about the methanol, the gas. And you're like slowly sinking to your death. And he's like, you know what something crazy? Guys went ice fishing back there. Blew the 10 up. Blue the 10 up. And it's like this wealth of knowledge. Yeah.

Wealth and knowledge. Never been hitting the head that many times. Yeah. Do you, uh, when you go out with these guys, like obviously Will and I, we sit there and we obviously bend the knee. Like we don't, we are, we're, we listen to you. We know we don't know. So that makes it more fun for us to learn and like hear your stories.

Do you ever have guests that come in and be like, um, the greatest hunter? I'm maybe the greatest gift to hunting I've ever, anyone's ever seen. And you have to kind of deal with the... You're telling a good story and they're kind of like, yeah, yeah, I know. You know, I had something like that and he tells a story has nothing to do with anything he's saying. I have definitely encountered blowhards, but no, not like, no. You know, it just doesn't happen. It doesn't happen.

And I try not to... I just try not to even create environments. where that's like I just like the dick swinging and all that like I'm sure you could probably build you could probably build a world where it was just full of it you know but I just am so I just I dislike it I dislike it

are there any content creators in the outdoors world out there they're just kind of full of shit like I'll be I'll be out around crazy I'll be out around some we want you to do on bust with the boys You start a war with another outdoor. Where's the outdoor beef? Yeah, yeah. I'll be around some money.

You got to be. You got to be. Yeah, no, you'd have to be it. There's no way. There's no way I would ever take that question on. But say you don't take the question on. Are there thoughts of like, yeah, there's some people that are full. Like, I'll be around some outdoor buddies and they'll bring up some brand or some personality.

In fact, they curate it this way. But I've hunted with this guy and it's all, it's all manufactured. Well, I'll tell you this. It won't be as satisfying you to hear it. There are people I know that are like exceptionally talented hunters. And I'll know that they're like I'll know their bio. I'll know that they're exceptionally talented and like extremely dedicated. And then I'll hear rumors.

Oh yeah, he ain't shit. He did this. He did that. And I'm like, dude, it's not true, man. It's not true. Like there's such an appetite to, there's such an appetite to see people be diminished in such an appetite to see people be put in their place that people want those stories. They ask for those stories.

They're hoping for those stories. Yeah. They're hoping to hear a story about how terrible someone is. So in the same way that if I'm talking to a friend of mine. That's J.P.'s question. Listen, man. Who do you hate? Well, no, hear me out on this because, like, there's different ways of looking at shit.

Like if I'm hearing all about, let's say I'm talking to my wife and I'm hearing all about someone, how terrible some friend's husband is. Or maybe I'm hearing all about how terrible some friend's wife is. I'm always sitting there thinking to myself, why I'd have to hear their story too. Right. It infuriates people around me where when I hear a story, a lot of times I'm like, I have like a somewhat contrarian thing where I'm like, I'd have to hear more from them, you know. Sounds bad, but I don't know. Haven't heard the full story.

So there is so, you hear so much shit talking. It's got to be way worse and, it's got to be way worse than your guys' world of like, professional. It's bad. Like, like in athletics, it's got to be like a thousand times worse. But yeah, there's a thing where everybody wants everybody to be, ain't shit.

They ain't all that. They don't, they're a poser. Whatever. You know, I mean, and when I hear it, I'm always like, man, knowing how bad people want negative to be true and that they're rooting for negatives to be true, I just tend to just dismiss it. Sounds like a much more peaceful lifestyle than Willina. Well, Will and I grew up in, because a locker room can be a nasty place.

Yeah, but how much room is because you want to be seen as better? Like, even if you want to be looked at as better than you might actually be, a lot of times guys will lean to, well, he's not very good. I'm better. Or especially in like position groups. Or if somebody gets coached a little differently, coach is harder on somebody else. Or you see,

you know, if I'm thinking of my experiences, you might feel like, I might feel like I'm doing something correctly. I'm getting coached on something very small. And somebody that could be above me on the depth chart per se, they could be doing something that, the technique that's going on is not even being taught, but the coach kind of goes over

because he's like a he's yeah he's the guy you know what I mean and so you feel like this you feel like this bitterness that could build in your mind um because yeah it's also it's also performance based and in your success and you attaining this you know the roster spot or whatever it is is like predicated on your performance so I feel like you're very more high alert or highly aware of all of these stories that are going on around you to make it seem like you're you're doing the correct thing and this guy he's not that good like his your past sets different than this guy but the headlines are high really high really high up and you're like I mean he's not really right he doesn't have it yeah he doesn't have it yeah I feel like it is a lot more conversation in the sports world I can

only speak we only speak for football but ego yeah it's insanely high it's insane it's out of control do you feel that in you in in that world do you feel that there's a way that talent isn't captured by stats like it seems to me like how could there be anything that argue about because all all reality is laid out like all reality is is is on the table yes yes I think you can app there's stats only tell part of the story it's easy to see with like receivers or quarterbacks and all that but like take will for instance will was a middle linebacker if he had two detackles that are shitty in front of him it's going to make him look worse and they might get the detagals might have better stats because they're doing things that they shouldn't be doing but

they're getting through the line of scrimmage a little bit faster, but they're leaving big gaping holes where Will has to now have a bigger area to cover to make a tackle. He's going to look worse. But if you have two guys that are doing their job in that instance and maybe not making the tackle, but putting everybody else in a position to make the tackle, their value now goes up a lot more. Offensive line is going to do. There is room to just be mad and argue.

There's more room than that. Yeah. Yeah. Because you talk to like, offensive linemen. Our stats are only negative. How many penalties you get, how many sacks you give up.

those types of things. But there is a way like helping your neighbor. Like we like as five guys on an offensive line, like we're only as good as a cohesive unit. So if I'm playing great, my left guard's playing bad or vice versa, like it's kind of on both of us because there's so many times in a game that I can help my buddy out with, you know, putting my hand in a guy's shoulder at a certain spot. So it turns his shoulder more.

So it makes that reach block easier for my guard or he helps me out on the backside cutoff. There's so many, it's like that's why it's the greatest team sport ever. is like no one can just do it by themselves. It's not like basketball. You can just have like a superstar that puts like 40 up a game. Everyone's got to kind of function and have this well-oiled machine

working as one unit. Otherwise, it all falls apart. But with that comes guys getting more stats than others and didn't pay more. And then ego, well, I should have got this because I was, Will had 100 tackles this year, but I was eating up two blocks at a time. I should be getting paid more.

And then ego fights, fights, fights, fights. That's why culturally you need great leadership, not only in the locker room, but also, from a coaching standpoint as well. So there's a lot of different nuances in the football world that are just. Yeah, there's a lot underneath the surface. A lot underneath, yeah.

Gaps can get filled in and not as comparable to like basketball where I feel like the realities and the stats are laid out a little bit, a little bit easier for like the objective eye. Yeah. But going off of like not hating on people, but was there ever like guess that came on and you're like, I don't know if this guy's going to know, like it was like a pleasant surprise? of their knowledge and understanding of the outdoors. They kind of stood out to you. There's been a lot of people that have stood out to me,

but I can't think of people that stood it where I want to be as surprised. And you can't say us. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like you were surprised with our shooting abilities last time. That was surprising. Well, I was surprised until I thought about it, but then I thought about it.

But, like, but you guys, obviously you have to have, like, a very good, you have to have a very developed sense of situational awareness. extremely good hand-eye coordination. Right? And just like a little zip in your head. Who's that? Yeah, I don't do that. That was not me.

You know, I'm claiming. Well, what happened? Somebody farted. You rip on that? There we go. We got a hand down. We got to hand out. I would have been a million dollars.

I was a snap. I know. Yeah. Like a zip in your head. Yeah. Like a fast kind of like thinking thing. So then it was like, then it made,

sense to me that you would excel at it you know because you have a and then also there's a competitive drive so it made sense me but I was surprised yeah because I've seen people really struggle with you know trying to pick up a shotgun and hit a moving target with a shotgun but then when you factor in that your whole life has been you know big portions of your life are focused around a moving ball and following it and figuring out what to do and making quick decisions so yeah it would make sense you'd wind up being good somehow we spend that to us i was i was telling i was telling will about something yesterday is like we went out coyote calling okay and we'll go coyote calling it's kind of a midwinter thing here like uh after big game hunting

seasons are all done just a fun thing to do to keep active at a time of year and there's not a lot going out so we'll go coyote calling but i was telling him i got a friend this guy named mercer lawing right who's a professional predator guy. Like he catches, he does government work as a caller for predation work. He does, he catches bobcats for researchers to put radio collars on. Like his whole life, he's a fur trapper. So catches bobcats for the fur market. I don't, like, bouncing in the lower place.

Catches bobcats for the fur market. Um, does predator work for biologists where if you have like imperiled species and you're trying to, and you're trying to, uh, help sustain like a small population of animals and try to get them built back up again. And so you're trying to reduce predation on that little population of animals. He's a guy that will come in and do predator control, very targeted predator control in a place. And catches stuff for researchers who want to do. put collars on it, radio tracking collars on him. It's all this guy, I mean, like his whole life. So here's a guy that he'll call, he'll go predator calling for months on end.

Every day, months on end. You get to like, you guys will make some jokes about like, oh, you guys know this and me and Max or me and Garrett will like see this and see this and see this. You go hang out with like a dude like that who has been hyper focused on one small little component of this and then you get into like some holy shit shit. Yeah, he's like snow white talking to the animals. Dude, you get into like, you get into a highly focused man. And then I had a couple experiences of being able to go down to South America and hang out

with a condition. as South Americans. And so here people live, you know, living in a community in the jungle. Your people have always been there. They spend their whole lives maybe within, let's say you spend your whole life within about a 75 mile radius. But so did your great grandpa,

your grandpa, your dad, you, you guys hunting fish 250 days a year. You want to talk about hearing some, bird off in the distance. Yeah. They know what it is. They know what tree it's sitting on. They know what that bird's mom was.

You know what I mean? It's like you can't, there's a level, there's a level of depth to this shit that certain people can get. And like I get to live in it, but I live in this whole other thing of like, like, you know,

producing media. There's like a business component. There's a lot of guys out there. There's a lot of guys out there that just do a very stripped down version of just all in on fucking all nature all the time man and that's like hanging out with when you talk about being surprised by people the surprise winds up being how deep you can go and how good you can get on on um on on like wildlife and just immersing yourself into that natural world man and uh i get to touch it i get to like tickle it you know

know yeah but there's some dudes that live it yeah and i always try to be clear like you know i never run around talking about you know i never run around talking about knowing more than whoever because i've met the guys that know like i've met the guys that know at all and i can't compare myself to them yeah do you know i mean yeah yeah because they're just too deep they're too deep you'll never catch them so many like side categories that there's obviously like hunting right is just one thing and there's all these different things that people can specialize in finding these guys that just like sit out there and the generations of all that is just it's just nuts to me there's like you can never learn too much yeah there's never an end date like you

officially reach the pinnacle of the outdoors there's like there's this thing i've found bouncing around the country that like an observation i've had is it doesn't matter anywhere you go anywhere you go in the country you could have two Two houses next to each other, okay? Anywhere you go in the country. And there's two outdoorsmen. They live next to each other. You could find the one guy in the house on the right who's like, everything's all fucked up.

It used to be good, but all the spots are gone. Now the woods is full of idiots. Everybody's out there. The fishing sucks now. The fishing game agency fucked everything up. Right? Right. And then the left house right next to him.

always is a dude's like, fuck, you can't even scratch the surface. Yeah. It's too good. There's too much to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like everywhere you go, those two dudes, everywhere you go there is those two dudes.

You know, and I just like the guy in the left house better, man. That's ready to find the new pivot, find the new way to figure out. Yep. And they're just excited, man. Break through another ceiling. Can't scratch the surface. Yeah. Too much to do.

Yeah. It's like you always, there's always. always those dudes and I'm always like I'd rather talk to that left hand, the left house guy that can't scratch the surface. Yeah. And it's Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news.

We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,

where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that guy. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. It's like there's that like infectiousness about it, you know, about getting out. You got something? Sorry.

I was going to ask, you speak to so many people that are both hunters and even non-hunters because you have this knowledge of with history. And again, you're able to weave all these things in that kind of bring it relatable to everybody. So I want to put you in a situation where you're speaking to, let's just say, guys like Taylor and myself, people that are kind of like, you know, they flirt with hunting, they have kids, you know, we're both girl dads. You're very, you're very adamant about getting your kids out the whole arena of consequences. And let's just say you're speaking to, you're speaking to potential hunters or you're speaking to hunters that just kind of dip in and

they're wanting to learn about your philosophy of getting kids involved and getting in the outdoors more. Like what would be kind of your general approach when speaking to a group like that? Because again, I think you do a, it's really cool to hear you talk about hunting in a way to where you know that you are immersed in it in such a way that is very intimidating and you feel like you can't belong. But you're also able to sit next to guys like us to where it makes it seem so fun and that where you want to dive into it more. I developed a couple philosophies about with families and games. getting kids outside is like remember i was talking about in picking a career it'd be that you get you got to either get where if you're trying to do a thing that's hard you got to get where you're just going to do it or or die you know i mean and i would what it would have a little kids it's so hard

to get out it's like you go and you're like oh there's like the snack shit and this one still wears diapers you know what I mean like this one like take some weird ass nap in the middle of the day every day do I mean like in a point you just be like well just never mind man I'm not going to do shit and I'm just going to become like a bitter dad who's like pissed at his kids because I can't go you know I'll be like I'm just going to do that route and kind of resent my kids and kind of be shitty to my wife and just generally be pissed because now I can't live out my I can't live out my passions and I'm just like an old has been. Dude.

The amount of dudes that fall into that, you know, a lot. And I just didn't want to like, I didn't want to do that. And so I just had it, I would set a goal, even when they're little, like, you know, with all that shit like diapers and all that garbage. Um, I would, I would set like a goal like, we're going to go today and we're going to like, I don't give a shit what happens. There's no way it's not going to happen. We're going to go fish.

You know? And maybe we're going to fish something that's not that exciting. We're going to go catch some bluegills, whatever. But like I don't give a shit, dude. If we don't fish, I'm going to kill myself. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And like I had like go add like that with little ones.

And I'll tell you, here's the thing that I found like, well, there's, there's, it's two parts. Because this is an area that we, that me and my wife agree on is we're not. terribly interested. With little kids, we're not, like, real interested in what they think. I don't really want to hear about, like, I'm not that interested in what they want to eat, right? It's like, you're going to eat what we're having. And I'm not that interested in, on Saturday we're going fishing.

I don't want to go fishing. I was going to go to Bobby's house. It's like, no, you're not going to Bobby's. We're going to do it. Like, you live in our house and we'll lean your way. a lot, but in a lot of ways, you're going to lean our way. And you're going to do the things we're going to do because I think that one of the most important things you can demonstrate to your kids is like, demonstrate to them what it's

like to be passionate about something. You know, like, if everything, if all you ever can bring to the table for your kids is just like this kind of like ambivalence, passivity, well, I guess we'll go down to the park because what else you're supposed to do with a kid? later on like what is their impression about how you later on when they're grown up and they're thinking about like what is their impression about how you engage at the world you know even if my kids and they probably won't

I don't know I remember someone saying like what if your kids don't like the hunting fish as much as you do I'm like not many people do man um whatever that happens to them if they don't go at all they will when they're when I'm dead and they're sitting around with their spouses and they're like goofing on their dad, remembering their dad, they're going to remember someone who was fucking on it. Do you know what I mean? Who was like driving hard.

And they maybe won't like it, but later they'll laugh about it and they'll probably begrudgingly, they'll be like, yeah, I learned some shit from that. You know, and it'll be that like what you're going to do, like be fucking tenacious. and so it's not to me like getting them into the outdoors is it's like selfish because that's what I want to do but it's also it's also like well I'm showing them what it's like to care about something what it's like to try to excel at it what it's like to try to like be in it what it's like to try to do hard little goals you know and it's not just to make them be outdoors people it's just to have them see that.

Like that you can, that it's good to go through life, um, fired up, you know, to be like, this is fucking, we're going, man.

Yeah. It's windy. It's fucking cold. Let's go. Yeah. I love that because I think, in a way, like whether or not they picked it up,

they're about it later in life or when you're still around, but the moment that they start to have families themselves and think about it. Or if you, you know, unfortunately weren't around. anymore and you're able to recall things like ultimately you would bring they will be bringing that into their world because they're going to actually start to remember it's like all the things we resent about or you get we would get upset about with our parents and then you look back on things that they did

and it's like well this is why they did they did this and then it starts to come out through you now that we have families yeah so i love that interesting how parents will be like you don't like this now but you're going to appreciate it later right to say to when you're a kid and then you actually sit back and like you know i actually i really do appreciate it because it's it's very difficult I have a seven and a four-year-old and I want so badly to be a place where they can come and talk to me about things where they can just say,

how are you emotionally feeling, how do we work through it? What's the process of communication so that you don't just lose a gasket every single time you're mad about something like how do you process it in your mind and have an ability to talk about it? But then it's like, I worry

because I was successful and my kids live a much better life than I did growing up and it's like, hey, how do I stop? How do I, one, make sure they have a work ethic and then in a passion and whatever they're doing. And I think the answer you gave is the correct one, which is show them. Like, show them every day.

Like the reason why your dad is successful is because of X, Y, and Z. The reason why he has a hard work ethic is because he's passionate about the things he's working towards. And you just show him that over and over again. Eventually they'll sit there and be like, okay, I want to succeed in these things. Well, how would I do that? Well, my dad's successful. He did X, Y, and Z. And they can always lean back on that.

So it's a very, it's a difficult thing because I've been around, I went to high school, my senior year I transferred down to Scottsdale, Arizona. It's a very rich area of Arizona. And all these kids are driving, you know, the nicest cars and living the nicest houses. And you see them like 10, 15 years later and none of these kids have drive because they've been given everything their entire lives. So it's just like, I sit back as a father of two young kids and I'm like, how do I make sure that does not happen?

I get worried about that. That's the fear. That my kids have it too gravy. You have, you have, you've established something incredible. Like you've trailblaze an area that, you know, for a lot of times, only like a niche group knew about and you're making it a mainstream thing. And so, yeah, you might run into that. It sounds, actually, you're not going to run into that.

I hear the way you talk about your kids. Like, your kids are going to be just fine. It's from a tough standpoint. I think either way, though, like, there's always a fear. Talk about the definition of storytelling. Like somebody wants something. There's going to be obstacles. Some might have many more obstacles.

But if they're able to, if they have moments to where we're wanting to, to show our kids something. And maybe they're in college and we feel like they just haven't gotten it. We've done everything that we can. If they're going to overcome whatever that final obstacle is, they would have to look at themselves so closely to where you almost do appreciate. You're like, you know what? Dad was right.

I'm never going to tell him. But if I want to get this thing, I have to come over this obstacle that ultimately I'm just standing in front of my own way. Right. So no matter how it comes out, whether it's early in life or later in life, I do think it comes out at some point no matter what. And sometimes it's, you know, when mom and dad might pass and then you're reflecting. You're in a different state of mind.

Sometimes it's when parents are alive. Sometimes you're getting out of college and everything structurally has happened the right way to where they kind of have that driving passion. But no matter what, I think it'll trickle out at some point along the road. And it's like also like seeing the adversities they're going through knowing in your head, like this is not a big deal. And you know that. But it's like what do I essentially step back and say you work through this? You have the tools to do it. And then at what point do I go, okay, I need to intervene here because I want to make sure that I can see the path they're going.

And if they go that way, it's just they're either going to get in trouble or, you know, not handle it the correct way. So it's such a, it's a finesse game with kids, ma'am. And I don't necessarily love the word finesse, but it really is. Like, you've got to pick and choose your boys is. It's finessey. Yeah, finessey. You know, you know what sounds melodramatic, but like I think about it, I guess because I think about it, I'll just share it, even though it sounds melodramatic and kind of. simplistic.

Like I always picture, let's say your kid is, like your kid gets older and there's a fucking car crash, right? And there's like a car rolls over and it's on fire and there's like a person

that needs to be pulled free of the car. Right? But the car can fucking blow up. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And he always be like, will my kid be the, would my kid be the one

that runs over and drags them clear? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And like, it sounds so like, It sounds so melodramatic and like fantastical, but I'm always like, when I think about little things and bringing them up,

it's like, I want, how do you kind of from the ground up, make the one to be like, fuck, I don't want to do it, but I'll do it. Right.

I'll go drag them clear there. And the selfless act of like, hey, this could be the end of me, but you don't even think about that. And it's like a lot of things. It's like, how do you,

how do you deal, how do you view other humans? Like, what are your obligations to people? What's your obligation to your family? to your family like are you act first are you have it in you to act yeah do you I mean like

are you willing to like do shit you don't want to do or you know are you willing to like cord a little danger and have a little risk right and so I'm always I kind of look at like would this make it more likely that they would go and drag someone clear of a burning I love that the most extreme version I know we got to

wrap up soon but I have a question that's brought to us by Bud Light and people people do are you talking about this one well I'll let me go like 10 minutes yeah people do anything for a bud light what's something that you would do anything for is it is there

some big game out there that you haven't yet conquered what is something that you would do anything for there's a well yeah I'll tell you there's a um there's a documentary thing I want there's a documentary I want to make I don't want I can tell you what it is

it's a documentary I that I want to make and it doesn't it makes no sense and um but if if I don't there's a subject I want to take on in a documentary and if I don't get to take it on in my life in a documentary form my life will have been a failure holy shit and you can't give concept everything you can't tell us you tell us after the yeah I know he's got to keep some time ball I'll tell you about it and you're going to try to act like you think it's interesting because you're polite. We are.

But, dude, it's like, I would, yeah, yeah. I was going to say like a cheap shot. I was going to be like, I'll do anything for my wife. Yeah. Something's some low hanging through. But no, like, there's like,

there's a thing I want to, there's a thing I want to make. It doesn't make a terrible lot of sense. And like, I don't even, at this point, I don't even give a shit if anybody watches it or not. But it's so fascinating. I have to find a way to do it. I love that.

There's not a day goes by. I'm not kidding. I'm so curious about it. Goes by. I don't think of it. about how I make a film about it. I love it. People who go to great lengths to get a Bud Light.

I love that you'll go to any measure. Any length. Across the world to make sure that this document. But that needs to call it. Whatever it is, we'll be the presenting beer of it. Yeah, and I'll be like, and just bring me, and I'm sure they make one. They need to bring me an N.A.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they got a couple, yeah, but N. I'm actually going to start a beer company. Yeah. My old man, he's a, he's a drinker of Bud N. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I'll drink some.

The NAs, the Nays never. I'll kick back with the old man. But you know what I'm going to turn them on to? I'm going to turn them on to taking that the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, mingsing-zang, buddy merry mix. Okay. A little cocktail.

A little cocktail. You know what it is? It's like, because when you quit drinking, it's hard to, like, at night, if you're hanging out, um,

and other people are drinking, it's like, you can't just drink water. Because it does it, like, but you take that really spicy, bloody, This is a tip for people who quit drinking.

Take an N.A. beer. And then you put really spicy bloody merry mix in the N.A. beer. And you drink it. And it's got like a little burn to it. Scratches the it. Yeah. It scratches the edge. It helps you like.

You're getting there with everybody else. Yeah, but I wasn't like that kind of drinker. I wasn't like a, you know, I wasn't like an AA guy. I was just, I just drank too much and wanted to quit. And gradually quit. But yeah, that little, you need that little burn I find. And that little burn kind of your body is like, oh, there it is. It's just tomato juice with black pepper.

I love it. I did want to ask before you go, being a conservationist, being like someone who's in the outdoors all the time, there's been like a lot of stuff. Like obviously, I don't, we're not a political podcast. I really want your thought process on this. I'm not trying to make this anyway. We kind of touched on it yesterday. But there's obviously all this tariff stuff going on with Canada and all the wood and everything. So Trump's now put done this executive order saying, and I don't know the full detail.

So there's so many different news articles that say it's a terrible thing. It's a great thing. But he's like, sign this executive order that says that we have all this wood, like 300 million hectares of land that you can. He did it about hitting the national forest hard. Right. Hitting hard to essentially be like, we don't need Canada. Yeah. Because we have the resources.

But the resources is like 33% of our wooded resources. Some people have broken down to me like you need like 10 years for treat to mature and the longer they mature the better the wood is makes better the homes makes better quality. So you being in your world that you are. I just want to know is this like a detrimental thing to America? Is it actually, hey, there's a lot of things we can really clean up in America from a wooded area standpoint? Because it's like I'm just trying to understand that this little game of chess that's going on between our northern, you know, neighbors and us. I'll give you a couple. I'll give you like a little high level my kind of high level thought process on it.

And it's it's it's quite it's much more complicated than good, bad, yes, no. We need just like first off, I'm going to clarify. I'm coming at this strictly from like wildlife habitat and like an environmental wildlife habitat perspective. I'm not I don't have the home builders would market seat at the table, right? I'm the wildlife habitat guy. There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cut, and we need to have active timber management. And in a lot of places, we've neglected timber management,

and it's detrimental to habitat. A healthy forest, like if you go across most of the country, a healthy forest is a mosaic of stuff that was just recently burned or recently cut. whether from lightning strike fires or whatever. So it's like new growth, medium growth, old growth, right? You need it all because you want to create habitats that have all these different offerings.

And you want to create habitats with a lot of edges, right? Meaning like open areas that abut brushy areas that abut mature stands because that way there's a lot more going on. I'm trying to speak in very general terms. There's a lot more going on ecologically. greater diversity of plants, greater diversity of like of stages of growth. So you have things that are big old trees that are producing mast

that like producing acorns, beach nuts, whatever from old trees, young trees that have new growth on them and that's good for food. You have little thickets for stuff that likes thickets, right? So you want a mixed ecosystem. If we leave everything alone and don't do active land management, because the natural processes aren't there anymore,

like we just don't have, we can't just let fires rip, you know, because it destroys property and things and other issues, you got to kind of do a man-made version of how to create these mixed ecosystems. So there's a place for logging. Done right, it can be very advantageous for wildlife in the right areas.

What I don't like is, I can't support and I can't get behind, building new infrastructure, building new roads into our wilderness areas. I don't mean designated wilderness areas, but areas that aren't industrialized, like natural landscapes that don't have infrastructure in place, that don't have roads built into them. I cannot support a plan to go into those areas and build new roads in order to harvest old growth timber.

why is that like uh we're just gonna we're gonna we're gonna run out of it yeah we're gonna run out of it there's like a deal there's always a deal with the devil that you make on this stuff you mentioned your wife being from british columbia um Canada has you know Canada has a reputation like a little bit of some people hold Canada's a reputation of having a stellar environmental record in some ways like the U.S we've been able to hang on to our old growth coastal rainforests which we you know there's not that much left

old growth coastal rainforests and we've kind of looked and guys in my world will look and be like man I can't believe bc the way bc British Columbia has just maintained openness to just keep whacking away at it and it was kind of like man they're going to cut it till it's gone

right right And meanwhile, we got a lot of coastal old growth rainforest. Like I mentioned, I have a fish shack. Like, I have a fish shack and like ground zero of this shit. Tongass National Forest, surrounded by Tongus National Forest. It's a perennial, like, you know, like political ping pong back and forth is whether or not to build a bunch of new roads in Tongass National Forest to get after the old growth coastal rain. I mean, we're talking six, seven hundred year old trees. Right.

And you look, and that Southeast Alaska stuff, you look in BC and they've been hammering it. And they might hammer it to the bitter end. I just like, I think that if you go into the future, I'm very conservative about this. When I say conservative, what I mean is this. When we go into the future and more of the world is developed and more of the world is industrialized and there's less biodiversity. and less wildlife i think we're going to look at these last bastions of old growth timber and we're going to be like thank god we protected that stuff you you go look there's been a lot of talk lately like someone even some politician in florida i think introduced some bill to put

uh to put president trump on mount rushmore um they say that that rock face isn't even suitable to accommodate a new face up there anyways. But let's just say, let's talk about who, one of the guys that is there. One of the guys that is there is Theodore Roosevelt. Thedore Roosevelt, he's a Republican, and Theodore Roosevelt created the national forest system. Okay. And what he did was he knew that American wildlife was on the way out. Like, we, relative to the late 1800s, early 1900s, we live in the good old days of American wildlife.

shit was bad then um roosevelt came in and he knew that like for american wildlife to thrive we need a national forest system we need like big tracks of forest and he did that and people didn't want them to do it and they were pissed at him at the time now he's like universally celebrated every politician wants to be favorably compared to roosevelt okay um i i'm very cautious about any effort that would undo or subvert those efforts to create these big tracks of nature, these big tracks of wildlife habitat. And I'm just always going to be like, I'm always going to be on the side of preserving our landscapes.

And I'll use the term investing in these wilderness landscapes where American wildlife can continue to thrive. and I'm going to be like very I'm just going to be on the defensive I'm going to be on the defense I'm going to defend wildlife habitat man. It's guilty before proven innocent with you when it comes to the wildlife habitat

but it sounds like it's a double like it's a double short because on one hand what you're saying is because we can't let fires roam free we need the levels of growth so cutting down wood like is not necessarily bad no and if they're taking another layer that's when it becomes detrimental

to the the wildlife environment, human beings, the world we now see as it is today. If the right, so with that executive order, with the right person in place to interpret it, I would be, there's a, there's a version in which I'd be like, thank God. Yeah. Because there's a lot of, there's a lot of work we need to be doing for like wildfire work, wildfire reduction, habitat improvement, thinning. I'd be like, great.

with the right person on the ground implementing it, I could get excited about it with the wrong person on the ground implementing it, I could get fearful of it. And right now it's a little early to tell. But yeah, with the right people executing it, I could think that it would be like net positive

or it could be people doing it and I wound up being like upset about it. Now, a hypothetical question for you. Let's say you're sitting in your office later this afternoon and there's a call. Some of your secretary walks in, she goes, Steve, the president is on the phone. you answer that phone, it's Trump. He says it tells you how great you or how amazing you're, everything's going so great in your life.

But he wants you to be the guy to interpret this executive order. What do you say to that question? I would say, yes. And then I would promptly call, I would promptly call a couple friends of mine. And I would say, you guys need to do this because you understand it better, me and I need to act like I'm in charge. Smart man.

I love it. I love it. Was it delegate to elevate? Yeah. Exactly right. That's good. I do appreciate you breaking that down a little bit because it is so interesting like this whole like the political landscape we live in now because a lot of things he's doing

people are like, well this is what you, this is what everybody wanted. But there's so much going on that's hard for me to follow the bouncing ball and I do my best to kind of like kind of fall out because it is so interesting to me. But when I saw that, you know, my brain goes to it's probably not as bad as it is. because I'm not a pessimist. I'm very positive about, like, best case scenario is usually going to work out. My wife on the other hand, being from British Columbia, not knowing the nugget that they're actually killing the forest up there,

I'll have to bring that up at our next family meeting. But she is huge into wilderness. Her whole family, like her mom is like, knows like the fishing queen in her town because she's like, she can just rip any lip around there. So like she was very, she's obviously like worried and concerned. And I was like, well, I'm going to be with me either next week. Like, what a perfect individual to talk to it about.

Yeah. Because it is very interesting and just trying to understand all the nuances of kind of like you were saying, like, how do you interpret it these executive orders as opposed to just reading their face value and just assuming it's a blank canvas. Yeah. Here's the main rub. You got a second? I have a moment. Here's kind of the main route. I don't know exactly when the flight is, but I know we're getting it.

This will be very quick. This will be very quick. My problem with the administration. far when it comes to natural resources issues and public lands issues is I would like I like I understand some of the things that they need to do I think that they're taking a pretty ham-handed approach and a lot of the Doge stuff has been coming a lot of the Doge stuff has been decisions being made by people who have no understanding of what they're toying with and I think that a better approach is get your cabinet heads in,

get your administration, people in, and let people make decisions at a more expert level. The same way you read about Rubio's conflict with Musk. We're like, Rubio's like, I'm Secretary of State. Let me go into my like portfolio of interest and identify the cuts.

that's my world right i'll do it and so there's like a little possessiveness on some of the stuff with like forest service issues bureau of land management issues logging issues whatever public lands administration layoffs and all that get the right agency people in place let them know what they need to do give them a minute to go and have like a more fine-tuned expert opinion on where we find room for cuts and don't just start cutting shit that you don't understand because someone else is going to go in there and be able to do it without without throwing the baby out with the bathwater and they've thrown a lot of they have thrown a in the area that I'm informed on which is like natural resources issues they've thrown a shitload of babies out

and now you're going to watch people come in and they're going to come in they're going to be like dragging those fucking babies back right picking up those babies back up and putting them in and it just it creates a mess yeah and they will like the babies will get picked back up and it'll kind of be like well why don't we just like take a why don't we just do this in a more thoughtful way anyways because they're already like oh my god he got they got rid of what yeah right and that's causing a headache yeah so I just think that it's I'm not the only person to bring this up like there's an intention to go and do something and I think that it was just like I think the intention kind of ran away with itself for a minute.

Yeah. And there's going to be a lot of, I think now there's going to be like a lot of corrections are going to need to take place. Right. Yeah. That is, I mean, that's a whole other hour of a podcast. Sure. Yeah.

Different show or two. Different show. And I'd probably have someone different to me talk to you about. Yeah. I delegate. Last time was awesome, dude, shooting ducks with you. This time, just as much fun. Like the trapping portion, obviously we didn't get a coyote.

It's good that we didn't get one. You can't be like, hey, we're going on a meat eater hunt. Like, it's going to be right out in front of it. Right. That's honey. But we appreciate it, like, not just you, but your entire career, like the hospitality, the way you guys treat us, like everything's first class here. So thank you so much for that.

I appreciate it, ma'am. Thanks for coming out. I look forward to hanging again. Yeah, man, bro. Thank you. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe.

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