Bussin' With The Boys - Matt LaFleur On Packers, Jordan Love, Vrabel stories, Ben Johnson Beef + Bussin' Reacts To NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Recorded: April 28th, 2025 Will Compton and Taylor Lewan are BACK fresh off the NFL Draft and Spring Tour stop in Lincoln, Nebraska for another episode of Bussin’ With The Boys. They sit down with Packers head coach Matt LaFleur to talk Green Bay’s 2025 outlook, but before their interview, Delanie Walker crashes the intro to talk Kentucky Derby, the NFL Draft, and Shedeur Sanders's slide. Plus, we settle the age-old debate: 100 men vs. 1 gorilla — who wins? Afterward, Packers head coach Matt LaFleur hops on the bus for an all-time convo. Coach LaFleur talks about Will knowing everybody in the league, why Will had the best punt sets ever, and how "NFL" really means "Not For Long." Matt LaFleur then tells a wild halftime story with Mike Vrabel and Taylor Lewan while on the Tennessee Titans. Plus, Coach LaFleur breaks down Will’s infamous 1v1 in Oregon, talks about almost becoming the coach of Will in Green Bay, and opens up about what it will take for Jordan Love and the Packers to get over the hump. Topping things off with his shredded pec story, and a ton of laughs packed in — this one’s a heater. Check out our new gear at BWTB.com and make sure to like and subscribe!Big Hugs and tintsy wintsy lil tiny kisses!   0:00 Intro3:29 Kentucky derby 9:57 Full Spring Tour Recap14:16 Delanie WON The Sheduer Sanders Bet33:54 NFL Draft Reaction1:26:12 Battle Camp is #4 on Netflix 1:28:13 Shoutout BO Free Shoutout1:48:13 100 Men v 1 Gorilla  2:03:58 MATT LAFLEUR INTERVIEW STARTS 2:05:05 Will Knows Everyone In The League2:05:43 Will Had The BEST Punt Sets Ever2:07:44 Washington Coaching Staff2:09:05 NFL Stands For “Not For Long”2:10:49 Coach Is Very Time Efficient 2:13:16 Coach LaFleur, Mike Vrabel and Taylor Got Into It At Halftime2:15:26 His Time In Tennessee2:18:10 The Game Within The Game2:20:32 First 15 Plays2:23:53 Coach Breakdown Will’s 1v1 In Oregon2:26:01 Coach Played Semi-Pro Ball2:30:26 His Coaching Journey2:35:32 Getting Into It With A Fan2:39:36 LaFleur's Pre-Game Speeches2:40:51 His First Time Calling Plays2:43:34 Hard Conversations & Realizing The NFL Is A Business 2:48:36 Will Was Almost A Packer2:53:53 Getting The Packers Job2:56:52 Will’s Vrabel Impersonation 3:00:24 Self Scouting + Challenges As A Head Coach3:03:05 NFL Draft Being In Green Bay3:06:20 Hardest Working Players3:07:32 Bud Light - What Would You Do Anything For?3:10:46 What Do The Packers Need To Get Over The Hump?3:13:32 Coach Tore His Pec Benching How Much??See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I don't know a whole lot about Final Gamby Let me tell you if your horse is a year 10 vet You might as well send him to the factory Because he's not gonna win shit Like 10 years is over a racing horse is crazy That's a from my understanding That's a breeder That's when you breed

That's when you breed if they'd done anything Starbreeding If they have them you just come out to stable But hey buddy you gave us a long hard life Obviously you cost a shit love My horse A 3 year old cult Hard in the game

Middle of the pack type of guy right now Ready to make his name big in the Kentucky Derby that is oh and almighty let's give him a round of applause it's only my horse you you don't have to clap you don't have to clap from my horse but love the juice love having it oh and almighty look at the muscular structure on this boy right here okay a lot of horses you're going to catch in this type of pose right now you're not going to see a lot of muscle you want the kind of those arms curled up a little bit that's you're going to catch the horse's bicep I don't know if you actually have biceps or not but this horse right here

here. And he's rocking number seven right there in that photo. Respect the sevens. A lot of opportunity out there. A lot of opportunity for Owen Almighty. I will be sprinkling, aka dusting, aka powdering a bet on that boy. A no sweat derby bet. Yeah, I'll be doing that and then bags. Putting bags on him. What you all draw?

Let's shout out some more of these fantastic horses. I got a Luxor cafe. Sounds like a restaurant. It means he's going to be eating out there. Okay. man. Nice. Let's go.

I got Rodriguez, a. Speedy Rodriguez. Can't lose. Yeah. They need the jet Rodriguez. Pappy and the Jets. Come on.

I got my favorite name in the whole field. I got the flying Mohawk. Best name. Who is jockeyed by somebody with the exact same name as me, Joseph. Really? So I'm like, we already have good team chemistry.

Right. Good draw. We might have to open up a joint bake account. I have to look at this horse's blood. bloodline a little bit. Sounds like cultural appropriation. That's okay, though. Don't name. A lot of great things. I'm laughing.

Adda boy. Hey, that is a top 10 awareness right there. We're going to keep this one clean. I have American promise. It's all you need to know. All you need to know. Promise you he's going to be up front. Promise you want to ride with this guy.

Stealing JPs quote earlier. No pun intended. Oh. Very nice. The boys are all dialed in. and then Will's got a 10-year-old grandpa, I guess, that he's riding with. He might be a savage.

He might be a savage. Do horses ears? Oh, yeah. Is it dog ears and horse ears? Do they have their own thing? My understanding, so my understanding of horses is mostly in the Western world. It would not have anything to do with thoroughbreds. These are all thoroughbreds.

The prime of your horse is like three to four. Sorry, two to four. That's when you're getting your horse. That's when they're in those, like, you know, young 20s. Can we look up at the age of Final Gambit? How long he's been racing? I bet you he's a three-year-old cold. Yeah, it might be a final for him.

He changed his name this year. Be wary of the old horse in a game where... We saw that at Oregon. Yeah. The horse died. Final gambit is three years old. Okay, there we go. He's in the prime of his life.

He's in the prime of his life. They're all going to be there. They're all going to be in that range. You know it's funny, like you look at the muscular build on these horses. yesterday I was scrolling around looking for looking at those red light therapy beds by the way those things cost so much money 140,000

it's unreal yeah what we need to do I hate cutting you off 10x we need to get with them in Miami we start working with them boys get a couple beds in this house yeah we need a plug for something like big time but as I was scrolling through I saw that there are these

like red light therapy outfits for horses like the way they take care of these horses these days is insane. Yeah. Like you're sitting there looking at the horse and it's got a full thing on top of it, red light therapy door,

it's covering the entire horse's body. It's hilarious. That's wild. Like for a horse. Yeah. And it's probably only for racing horses. Yeah. I'm surprised they don't have some for dogs right now.

You know how people care about their dogs, getting them in the red light. I saw something. I don't know if this is real, but I've always seen something like for $250,000 you can actually clone a dog. And the only way I know that is because Taylor sent me one, one time referring to her dog Akira.

And I just, I said no. We need to ban that. If that's really, we need to ban that. Can't have that. Can't have that. Cloning your dog? I guess so. I mean, that's what makes a dog so special.

It's like you have that one bond with that dog. I don't care if it's a clone or, like, you're never going to be able to recreate that. At any time, in any movie, you ever see somebody trying to play God and never works. Right. This is going to be a very stupid question. Very stupid. We're all about stupid stuff on this. All the Lissers out there.

Before you push send on the comment, this is going to be a very stupid question. you're cloning a dog are you getting its same brain hey that's not a dumb question because if that answers no well I'm just thinking you get a chocolate lab you just get another chocolate lab from that same breeder like it's gonna look the same

that's a bad example because most labs are kind of all the same you look at Kirk Curb Street's the labs that he's got you just the rinse and reaping like you have clones of that dog we're already doing it you know what I'm saying like why you got you just breeding yeah yeah he's been a 250 grand you could have bought that dog in between like a thousand one to five yeah kirk herb street i don't know what breeder he's going to for his retrievers but those are good-looking

dogs yeah the one he had uh at notre dame back in january that dog was bow-legged and athletic you could just tell he was ready to rock yeah the one that was um thin something like that but yeah the kentucky derby you can bet you can bet at fanduel it's going to be an outstanding time We all got horses. We're all going to place our bets on our horses. No straight. Great idea. Great idea by Sherm.

Great idea by Sherm. The boys, let's give a round of applause, spring tour. We finally concluded. It was an amazing time for those you haven't seen. We went to Oregon. We did a bunch of stuff there. We went to Michigan. We did the draft this past weekend.

And we also did Nebraska. Those will be two separate blogs. Yeah, check out the blogs. You haven't seen the Oregon. And those have been widely accepted. Will said this. we boys we have the blueprint for what we want our spring tours look like from here on now we have it like the access and the ability to keep the locker room alive is basically a core value of busting

with the boys and we had the ability to do that with not only the schools we went to but organ a school that has essentially no affiliation with us allowed us to be in there like we were players talking to the team lifting weights with the boys getting out at practice coaching the cats up a little bit having a good time that's the kind of shit that's like i've said this in a pod couple weeks ago right after Oregon, but Will and I are sitting in a hot tub, I'm just thinking to myself, you know, this is it. We've officially like achieved the goal of keeping the things you love about football alive. And here we are. Will's in his mid-30s. I'm, you know, young 30s. And we're eating it. Having a good time with it, man. So with that said, there's always a competition.

What was everybody's favorite? It's competition? Well, you know, you always, like, you always are comparing. I guess there's always comparison, not competition. Yeah. Do you want to go first? Do you want to let the boys? I mean, my top one's always going to be Nebraska. You know what I mean? Like I think when looking at the spring tour, the blueprint that you're referring to, it's going off of what we got to do in Oregon. You get in the schools, the schools that we choose next year, which, by the way, if you guys are watching and able to comment on YouTube, let the boys know where we should look to go next year, even this fall when we go to games. There's a couple we have locked in.

But we're wide open to ideas. But with the spring tour approaching it next year, I think it's the formula we used at Oregon to where you're in the mix of the competitive part of the spring. Whereas at Michigan, we were there the week of the spring game. So guys are kind of not like fizzling out, but it's just like it's the end of spring. Yeah. You're kind of in a recovery process. You're in celebratory mode.

We got finals next week. What are we going to do for the month of May when we have some off time? So everybody's like feeling good about that. And then at Nebraska, we were there for the spring day, the spring game, whatever you want, the scrimmage and events and everything else. But the formula to use is what we did at Oregon where you're in the competitive part of the spring of spring ball where you get to sit in meetings you get to see the curiosity of the players the competitiveness the competitiveness of players um and getting to do all that where you're working out

with the team you're at practicing the bull is flying seeing guys actually competing for jobs yeah i think that was the formula that's the formula to kind of use that's what you want because we've kind of done the spring game stuff we've done the go get interviews we kind of got away from interviews not like fully got away like we do an interview or two each spot we went to markets this year. Yeah, but it was the whole focus wasn't interviewing guys that are at the school and around interviews and doing a live show and everything else. It was more about the football side of everything, showing everybody like what the athletes go through on a day-to-day basis. I think we accomplished that. That was an A-plus at Oregon. So that's why I love like that formula that we did

at Oregon the most. Yeah. Yeah. If we're doing like rankings, like are we talking facilities? It's like nobody's touching the Nebraska. I don't think I don't think anybody touches Nebraska right now. I think they have the best facilities out there. It's, we, we got in the conversation of, is this too big? I, you have so much.

It's truly like a state of the art building. Yeah. It is, it is insane. It's insane. And I loved our facilities when I played there. But what they have now at Nebraska

is truly fucking incredible. What I love is the access points, like how everything kind of, the way things running together, like you can be in the locker room and you can go out the right side and you can be in the equipment room, the players lounge,

that area and then the weight room is right there as well. If you go at the left side, that's all your recovery stuff. So you have that little car wash area. I think the boys see a couple photos posted on Twitter of where you get in. It's like a horseshoe. You can walk around in the cold tub, which by the way,

if you sit in a cold tub and you don't move, eventually you're going to numb up. When you're walking through, it changes the game. You turn that corner you're trying to walk slow. It fucking hurts. It hurts. But you get the hot times right next to that.

They have a great sauna set up. They got the red light therapy set up. The bagman is here. Oh. The bag man is here. The bag man. Get on. I knew.

I knew something was up when J.P. was checking that mic before we sat down. Yeah. What's happening? We were just recapping the spring tour. For those of you, for those of you who are wondering why Delaney is so happy right now, he is happy about somebody's downfall. We were at Nebraska and even, even. Because it was concluded the draft or whatever.

And people were like, hey, Delaney won that bet, huh? And I'm like, yeah, he, you not only won the bet. You were spot on. Spot on. I told you, I graded him. I go by five stages. Don't even give away your stages. I'm not going to give them away.

Yeah. And I wanted to come on here because I wanted to say, Chador is a hell of a quarterback. Hell of a quarterback. I think he's going to be a sleeper because he fell so late, he's going to show up, right? I believe in that. I believe in the late round draft picks that they're going to be great. He's got something to prove. You were one?

I was one. Yeah. Were you fifth, six? I was six round. I was six. So for that to happen, even though it was hurt in my heart when I was sitting there and I'm like, damn, I'm about the, I'm right. I know I'm right. And then when it started happening, I kind of felt bad because I didn't really want to see the kid.

Right. I know. I know. I know. That is tough. That is a lot of those issues are self-induced. Yeah. A lot of those problems are self-induced.

when you go to the combine because a lot of people were breaking down like how the Manning's process was versus how Shador and Deon's process was and it just is way different it was a way different time

there's not social media no one no players had cameras following them around so you had a lot more access to see Shador's attitude the entire time we ended himself

with the combine like I get it I know a couple people talk about code switching and all that but if you're at the combine your hats like this talk about my product

I've done it year after year like I'm him below a ball and if you don't want to change the franchise don't get me. Yeah. And that's one of the stages. Personality. What's your personality like? And for people tuning in and don't fully know what we're talking about, Mitch, you can just run the clip of the

bet, the $1,000 bet that we had with Delaney. Yeah. Hey, before we get going, you got to hear this bet. Yeah, yeah. So I come in and he's just talking nonsense. Always. Deer Sanders not going to get drafted in the first round because he probably saw a tweet that said a couple scouts. Doesn't have him as a first round grade. That sounds like the late. And I graded him. Our bet a thousand. You've rated it. What do you know about quarterback? Nothing. A $1,000 bet.

This dude. A $1,000 bet that he goes in the top two rounds. If he goes beyond that, Delaney wins. What you think of that bet? I think you're going to lose $1,000. You crazy. He said, he goes, he said, Shadur is going to slip to the fifth round. Mark my words.

But this is an offensive line draft this year. A lot of old line going to go. That's going to push a lot. The line draft every year, bro. He's going to find his way into that first round. And he lost $1,000. He's a good quarterback. He's not going in the first round.

First round. I ain't taking it back. No, no, no, no, no. I ain't taking it back. We should, he was so confident we shot twice on that bet. Oh, shit. Twice. He's not going in the first round.

Not only did Delaney. That will have with Delaney. Well, I mean, yeah, but it was everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Hey, I really thought you were on crack.

I thought there was no fucking way. So many people did, bro. I was having people running up to me at the draft for the Titans. So I'm up there. They're like, you're about to lose the bat to Will. I'm sitting there like, bro. Right now, bro? They don't know about your five stages.

I'm like, you, I'm like, want to make a bet. I'm telling cats you, I want to bet. They're like, I'm in on it. I'm like, a thousand. Oh, not a thousand. I'm like, a thousand is all I'm doing. If you're not doing a thousand dollars, I ain't taking the bet. But not only did he, the $1,000 bet for if he got drafted in the top two rounds,

I win. If he falls out the second, you win the $1,000. Not only did you win that bet, but you called the round that he was going. I called the round. I told you, bro. That's impressive. In January. In January.

People thinking we, they think it's cat. This is what people are saying is the first overall fake. They like, oh, they posted that after it happened. Like, everyone think that we did not post that that was posted like two days ago, three days ago. They don't believe we did that in January. They just go back and watch the locker room. That's what I say.

I say, go watch the locker room. Like, it's an episode. I don't remember what episode, but go watch the locker room. Right. But it was in January when you said that. And legit, bro, I was like, there's no, that's the easiest money wills ever made. Yeah, everybody. thought that, you know what I mean?

Cats, I would even see Katz was hitting me like, man, I can't believe you made that bet. You know dude going in the first round. His dad is Dion Sanders. I said, this is not the NBA. It doesn't matter who your daddy is. Crazy shot at Brony. That is a wild shot.

Not a shot. Just facts. Just facts. You got his money? I don't have it on me. You're going to This was a surprise If y'all watching this right now

He didn't know I was coming So it was a surprise But yeah he will pay up Will is good for his money I've never lost a bet to Will And I always been paid And I said that in the show I never lose to Will Compton

It's just a fact Just like he said he guarded me That didn't happen Right now there's no fact checking that What Like losing a bet to me I can't think of any bets That the amount of bets that we had

What else have we bet on That you beat me? Is he crazy? right now? He didn't know the five stages. He don't know. What are the bets y'all make? I don't know.

What other bets have we made? Didn't you pay me $500 the other? Mitch, didn't I pay you $500? Yeah, but that money was from Will. Will? Yeah, because you guys made a bet about something. Was it on the locker room? Maybe the Miami game?

It was the Miami game. So you're 2 and 0. I mean, I think we got other bets that I've won. On the locker room, You're the worst gambler on the show. Wait, what? You were the, okay, let me say that again. You were the worst gambler on the show in the locker room this season.

Because of college football, but I'm on now. I'm on college football now. I'm on now because, you know, that was the first time I really started watching college football. That put me in a slump. But I'm on now. I'm on point. Let me ask you. So we just went to Nebraska.

Yeah. We just did this, the, their spring game. It was awesome. The access we were kind of talking about before you walked up. September 20th. is the bussen bowl. Yes. Michigan versus Nebraska in Nebraska.

Call your shot. Who's going to win that game? Have you broken it? Have you done your five stages? Let me do. Let me go and look at who hit the portals, who came to Michigan, who came to Nebraska.

Because a lot of people hitting the portal now after the draft, Katz was saying that a lot of players wasn't getting drafted from their school. Now they're starting to hit the portal. Let me look and see who they're getting and what's going on. I know y'all got Michigan got old buddy.

Price Underwood? Yeah, right. But they also have Royola. I know, I know. But we'll see. Let me go and look and see what's going on with the portal. And I'll have a, I have a pick for you. You have a whole spreadsheet.

You'll do your five stages of the schools. Well, my five stages only for draft picks and stuff. Fair enough. Yeah, yeah. Very isolated. Yeah, yeah. That is so, I knew y'all were up to something when you were checking the mic. Because you sat there for saying, I went, what's he doing?

I was just literally my, I was stupid about it. I just went back on my phone. But we've been creeping, they've been creeping before this evening. The pick even came in. It was like, it was round two. And it was like, I don't want to jinx this. But, hey, if you, if you win, we got to have you on the bus. Yeah, they started hitting me.

I'm at a chicken farm, literally at the chicken farm. When y'all face-time me, I'm at a chicken forum looking at 40,000 chicks, like, straight up. Y'all hit me. I'm like. So you didn't know when he got drafted? No, I didn't know. I'm in a chicken farm near Paduca, Paduca,

Kansas in a barn looking at 40,000 chickens right now, walking through not knowing what was going on. And then when you hit me, I step out to conversate with you, you know what I mean? And I didn't know that he had got, just got drunk. The most interesting life.

He's in Portland. He's looking at 40,000. What are you doing? Looking at 40,000. You flew to Kansas? I didn't tell you, I'm starting a chicken farm. You doing it with Von Miller?

No, no. So I'm going to be producing eggs. I won't be doing poultry. So I was doing all eggs. So, yeah, so I'm one of my guys, Jordan, give you a shout out from Smith Farms. He invited me to his farm to look at some of his chickens and see how the setup is before I do my setup. So that's what was going on. I didn't even know he got.

That's why I was like, what round did he get drafted in? Once you said the fifth, I went nuts. And then they heard me and they was like, yo, he went to fifth. You called it. So it was just like a crazy little time at that point. I'm like, yo, that's great. And then a lot of people hit me like, dude, how did you know that? Yeah.

You said the five stages. The five stages. Five stages holds everything. The five stages, bro. That is crazy. Round call. You got to get your farmer's market doing. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. No. My line would be crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Twin Ponds Farm. Check me out. Twin Ponds Farm.

Yeah. That is crazy. Yeah. When he went in the fifth round, exactly. I was like this dude was spot. Spot. Spot on. Spot on.

And I hate that. I know. I felt for him to. And with how everything unfolded, like the media and social media. You as a black dude calling it in January, maybe like he's going to the top two. I just thought that was funny. I know. They was like, so is Delaney racist?

The white guy thought he was going first round. The black guy thought he was not getting drafted. How many texts you're getting right now? Man, I guess. That fucker is going on. No, I'm on the Zoom. No, he's not. Oh, no.

I'm on the Zoom. my auditor. See, I'm really, I'm out here, man. This is what I do. Like, that's what I do. I'm going to zoom with my auditor. This is what I do. What are you auditing right now? Everyone who works for me get audited. What do you mean? Let's go. Delaney.

Delaney, never going broke. You can hit silent? Huh? You can hit silent or something? You get a little gloom sound? Oh, the thing. Like, we're on the middle of the show. Oh, sorry, bro. Sorry, this is just Apologize to the audience. Sorry fans out there, man. Y'all know, y'all know. Y'all know

Y'all know them you. Stay popping. Stay popping. Hey, did you see, like, Stephen A. Smith and Acho and all that, been talking about code switching. Yeah, I saw all of that. And how, like, Shadur, this has happened in him, basically because he's black.

But Cam Ward won the first round. First overall. That's all, like, first overall. And you know what I mean? Compare how many black people with white people in the drag. More black people win. So it's like, who code switching? Where is the code switch, hey?

Yeah. And I get it. John Sanders is a dog, so everybody, you know, going to feel some type of way because it's Dion Sanders' son. So they're thinking that the people, what is going on? He's getting a phone call. What is going on? Oh, mute it.

I did mute it. It's crazy. What's happening right now? I muted. I muted it. I muted it. So everybody's saying that because obviously, you know, Dion Sanders, they don't want no problems with Dion Sanders.

And I understand. I don't want problems with Dion Sanders. But most of the time, they're not going to say how they really feel. They got to come up with something like, oh, cold switching. Oh, they didn't pick him because he's black. It's like the whole Sanders machine has been such like an operation for the last few years as him going from. Was it Jackson State? Jackson State to Colorado.

And even last year, like you look at early in the season, it's like Dion's on the podium saying like there's certain teams that's not going to be able to get him. You know what I mean? It's like, Shadur, like I'm a fan of his. I think his mental resilience, I think he'll be able to handle the pressure. And it's truly all about what you do at the adversity at this point. Very true. At the end of the day, you still got drafted. Like, you got drafted.

You have an opportunity. And that's all any player wants and going to the next level is having an opportunity. In a very winnable room. Yeah. And he's got that. So it's all about, I think they're going to get his best because now he feels like he's got this boulder on his shoulder. Of course.

But yeah, it's like, you look at the NFL, bro. Everybody's like, oh, they don't care about it. They don't. Like, you are a commodity when you come in this. Like, you are a product. then they're going to thumb through and comb through absolutely everything. You see reports where there could have been some, you know, the private meetings weren't the best at times.

We don't know the truth of any of that stuff. No. You call arrogance. You call confidence. Like they don't want to see an intimidating black man, blah, blah, blah. Like, bro, at the end of the day, like, you put this product in front of the world, and it's truly up to the league. And it's not like there's not, what the hell does?

That's the thing fell off. It's not like, you can make up whatever you want to make up, bro. But it's like, this is. what it is. Yeah. One thing that he wasn't throughout the entire process, like you can't tie humility and everything else to him because he'll be like after the Nebraska game,

he's throwing the old line under the bus. He's had a lot of high moments, but there's enough out there to where it's like, if that need doesn't fit the team, because again, he graded out good, but not like elite. Everybody wants to compare him to like the mannings of the past.

Like these are, these are Hall of Fame graded caliber players coming out. Dionne Sanders was that to where you hear the stories of him going. it means, you all won't be there to get me. Because Dion was that fucking good. Yeah, he was an undeniable elite talent. First, he, he, you knew he was going first round. Right.

See, they was trying to make the hype for him to go first round. It was hype surrounding him. Dion wasn't no hype. It was, he is him. Yeah. And him is he. You get what I'm saying? So like, so like, you will put up with whatever the bullshit is.

But if you're just a, like a good place. to where let's just say some teams had should there as a low first round grade or second round grade, whatever it is, all the everything else extra, that's up to the organization if they want to potentially deal with that or not because that is what it is in the NFL. True. And one thing I'm going to say, what could have heard him, he went to Colorado, right? And then you go to the combine and don't perform. You don't run. You don't throw. You don't do anything. You don't show that you can throw to other receivers. You can be. coach by other coaches that's not your father you don't show that i think that took a big that was

like a bad taste in everyone's mouth because they went like you already think you're going first round you didn't you lost the b yu in your bowl game we want to see you come up here and put something good and don't give us that last tape where it was bad that last tape he put on film was not good and then you come in thinking you a first rounder after all of that and don't perform at the combine and a lot of players are now starting out to perform because they're agent like you're going first round don't perform yeah right again if he's like an Andrew luck coming out of college with a scouting report like that you don't have to do you don't have to you don't have to hard an undeniable elite right true yeah but when you're not

you should at least put something on film don't run the 40 don't do all the other stuff but throw the ball right show them that you can throw the other receivers if you're a first round guy if you're a guy that's going to change a franchise like you should have no problem standing out there in underwear throwing a ball there routes on air yeah route's nothing it's nothing Yeah. And at the time, too, of the combine is in the middle of Dion Sanders saying some guy, he'll get drafted by somebody that he won't go to. Yeah. And he's basically referring to the teams that were in quarterback neat. I know.

Because they weren't good in the past years. Say it's Browns, whatever. So then they get to March and then Dion is like, you know, kind of changes his tune. But by the time you get to March, all that evaluation process is pretty much finished. And then you get past the first round. Okay, he doesn't go in the first round. After the second round, if you're getting a quarterback, the thought process of upstairs in the NFL is, okay, let's find ourselves a backup that can develop and hopefully someday be a starter.

If you're going to have a backup in the locker room with more microphones on him than anybody else, that is also going to deter you from drafting that guy. So once you get out of that, unless you want to deal with it. Unless you want to deal with it. Which like, I know there were a couple of reports. I don't know which team it was. I can't remember exactly, but they were talking about maybe this head coach doesn't have the personality to be able to handle this quarterback in Shadur.

And it's like, yeah, the argument there. I think Ryan Clark had this argument is like, then he shouldn't be the head coach. because I agree I give Tomlin flowers all the time he's a guy that doesn't matter what personality you get in there he gets the best out of his guys and he's like hey

he does a great job of seeing crazy different personalities on different spectrums and being like okay let's bring all these guys together he did a great job Levion Bell Antonio Brown

Rothesberger the Pouncy Brothers all those guys in one area but if a head coach doesn't have that capability then you're missing a huge part of your head coach because the whole thing is continuity understanding how to coach players

and getting guys to be their best on Sundays So that is an issue. If you're a GM, if you're an owner, and you're looking at your head coach being like, I don't know if this guy can handle this personality, automatic red flag. But to me, I look at it. The head coach is only as good as his staff. So if you got a staff, you hire a staff member who can handle that quarterback.

You hire a quarterback coach that not how to talk to that quarterback coach. Not all head coaches go know how to talk to every player because some head coaches is a defensive coach. Some head coaches is an offensive coach. They don't not talk to the defensive players. They don't not talk to the office. So you only as good as your staff. So if your staff, because you're not going to be in that, you ain't going to be in that room every day with that player.

So you may not have that same communication that the quarterback coach going to have with him. So you find that guy who can communicate with him. I don't think that was the issue where people finding that, oh, can I coach him? What we butt heads? It was more of, you know, what kind of person is he? Is this the type of leader we want in our locker? Would he bring, will he make us better or will he bring us down? You know what I mean?

Because like you said, the blaming. Oh, the offensive line would have blocked. You know, maybe we were the one that get. You do that in NFL. Now you got offensive line like, fall out. I slipped. You know what I mean? Dude, yeah, yeah.

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No, it's all a lot of great points because it's all very nuanced. Yeah. It's just the ideas of all of the headlines and conversations where they're going, where they're talking, people are trying to grab that racism. They're trying to talk at owners colluding and trying to keep it out or trying to prove a point or taking it personal where it's like, Like, dude, even if an owner feels that way, like there's so many people in the building that are coaching for their lives. Because the game is so year in and year out.

It's like if a staff feels like they want a specific player, and I know we're talking about should do it, but any of it, you're talking about looking at a specific player and wanting to bring that player in. The position coach wants them, a scouting department wants them, front office, anybody around there that want to go in on somebody, they're doing it because they want to fucking win now. Like no teams, like, you know, you have Browns that traded back and got some drafts. capital for next year. Like some teams are playing a long game, but also with the short term in mind. It's like, I'm sure the Titans, there's headlines about them turning down multiple draft picks to get out of the running for Cam Ward, but they felt so good about we want this quarterback right fucking now because we feel like he can change our franchise. Right. And it's like, nobody's sitting there being like, hey, we want Shed Dior Sanders right now because he can win

us a franchise and then somebody's coming in over the top being like, no, this is personal for me. We're not taking them. Because you're just going to put everybody in a bad situation. Because then it's like, hey, if they have a bad year and coaches like, hey, I wanted to draft this quarterback but you wouldn't let me. It's like, that's not how the conversation go. It's like, well, you're going to fall in this grenade for us now. The conversation definitely.

I'm sure there are conversations with head coaches when they, I'm sure some level of colluding, some sort of like behind the curtain stuff does go on at times. Or like maybe a personal opinion. Right. But I will say this. If Shadur Sanders was as good as Shadirr Sanders as he was, we would not be having this conversation right now.

And that is truly just the fact, he is a good football player. He is an above average football player. But when we're in the conversation of comparing him to the mannings who are being greeted as elite football players, it's a totally different conversation. It's a totally different conversation. And spin it into like a positive thing because, again, he did still get drafted. If Shadur Sanders is as good as he thinks he is, he's going to do just fucking fighting the NFL.

He's going to transcend. He's going to do all the things and accomplish all the things that he wants to do because he is getting an opportunity. And even if it doesn't work out with the Browns, because that's a very crowded quarterback room. I'm going to be fascinated to see how it unfolds in training camp and preseason and how the year goes and all that type of stuff. But he is at the level you want to be at as a player growing up

and wanting to play at the national football. Yeah, your draft day didn't go exactly how I thought it would. But this is not surprising. This situation is not as unique as people are assuming because this type of shit happens every year. It's just a magnified glass with you do because we've been, following documentaries and content since this little dude was in pajamas running around as a kid doing reality shows with his with his dad.

You know what I mean? And we've gotten to see him grow. We've gotten to see him. There's been a light on this kid for ever. You've seen the Sabins of the world. Like people that Dion has great relationships where they talk, Sean Payton talking about, they watch him grow up and he was surprised at how it went, but they might not have needed a quarterback to where you're a little dumbfounded because, again, we've watched this unfold

for like a decade. Right. And it just did not go the way he wanted to. The thing about the NFL, the thing about being at the 1% of professional sports is you cannot have this plan B, this one foot in, one foot out type of mentality. And I mean, Shudur had a lot of his hands and a lot of different things, whether it was reality shows, different sponsorships, he was rapping, he was doing a whole bunch of different things. You see kind of the change in his attitude. I think him and Shiloh were like live stream or something like that. And Shiloh's like, hey, you want to sing another song as I'm done rapping.

And so this might be the perfect thing for Shudur Sander going into his. future in the NFL being like yeah your whole life essentially you've had everything you've ever wanted you've lived in mansions you've had all the cars you've wanted you've gotten the nil deals you were the face of college football for the entire time you're in college football now you have to go to a franchise that historically has not had not good quarterback play a franchise that historically has struggled and has only made the playoffs a couple times in last however many years so now you have the opportunity to truly be your words legendary and create a legacy that will speak for a a long,

long time. Like you have, he has everything he wants. And for him to go in the fifth round, it is probably the best case scenario for him, for his,

his mental, everything like that. He has to fight this adversity. He's in a room that's crowded, but a room that's winnable. You have a guy that has a 270 million fully guaranteed contract that it's pretty clear

that everybody in that building is over that situation. Right. They're done with that. To where they're not sitting there being like, we paid him this much so we has to play. He's also coming off in Achilles.

Yeah, Joe Flacka, who's played a billion years in the NFL. He is a smart Super Bowl winning, understands coverages, understands how to get the ball out from a pocket passer standpoint. He will be able to help if Shador seeks that help. And he's old enough in the league to where once Joe Flacco's done with the NFL this year, he's at the age where he just transitions immediately into his senior home. And you're in a position where there's another rookie who had a really good career who had, who I believe set the record for most starts in college football, was a part of a playoff winning program or a playoff, a team that was in the 12th

team playoff this year in Dylan Gabriel. So now you have, you have competition, you get to see how. Kenny Pickett, who played a rookie. Kenny Pickett, who was a first round draft. The Steelers, been with the Eagles. You have every different personality in there. And you have the,

you have every opportunity to be the guy if you truly are the guy. Yeah. I love it for the potential part of this story because, again, it's like you want the world telling you that you're not good enough. And now he gets to go and show that he is good enough. Because, again, his mental resilience,

his ability to, he was like the most sack quarterback, like didn't really have a line of scrimmage that blocked well for him made a lot of great throws he has the ability now he gets to go he gets to go prove it in cleveland do you think the uh the browns will give like because they drafted dylan gabriel before they drafted chadur do you think that they're on the same like playing field or you think dylan's going to have like a little bit more leeway because okay we got you in a third round he might but it'll be it'll be fractional yeah it'd be very minimal because third and five third and fifth round once you get out of the top

two rounds that kind of like giving you know handing it over type thing like if you're a first round draft pick the minute you think you're ready you're going to play even if a guy might be a little bit ahead of you at some point and even second round even yeah you like your first runner like oh let's get him in here let's let's get some fire on them let's have make these mistakes and let's that was the investment yeah but if you're third fourth fifth all the way through the seventh like you're well basically three to five is pretty much the same and then six and seven some people argue that you'd rather be an undrafted guy than go six or seven because then you're going you're now picking a situation that's better for you because you'll usually have multiple teams call you and say we want you and

the signing bonuses are relatively the same they're not very much so you can say okay you can look at let's say will for instance look at each linebacker room be like okay i have the best opportunity in this lineback room as opposed to this one if you're a six round pick you might just be getting picked you're going to be a core four guy they might have a better linebacker room or stronger whatever and so you kind of want to be an undrafted guy. But that three to five, everyone's kind of in the same playing field. I think a third round compared to a fifth, a third is going to get the opportunities first. And they'll get a couple more opportunities extra.

Like my breakdown is more like you get first to second. You'll have like three, maybe depending on how you're going for. But yeah, that five to seven is pretty much all very, very similar. But he will. It's like Dylan Gabriel, he'll get the opportunities first. But it's going to be, I mean, Browns are showing you that they want a room that's going to be competing for who. they're going to dress for probably their three quarterbacks that they will for the season.

Yeah. You have a trade one right in Pittsburgh. Are they? Are they trading one? I mean, you have five in Pittsburgh. Who's Pittsburgh starting quarterback right now? Mason Rudolph. Rudolph.

They must feel good about Aaron Rogers. They draft a Will Howard late, which could pan out later, but you have no reason to not like shop one of those five guys. Yeah. Yeah. The stealer situation is very interesting. Right? Very interesting.

Very interesting. I was fired up for Dylan Gabriel. I was not ready for him to be drafted in the third round. I was pumped for him. That was awesome. Yeah. And when we sat down with him last year when we were out in Oregon for the spring tour, he was saying like, you know, he came back.

He got like a low round grade. And just based on size and everything else, you feel like those tangible things kind of play against him. But to see him going the third round, like I was fired up for him. Yeah. I'm excited to see what he does because that's a good kid right there. He drove the van, right? He has a van.

Yeah. That's awesome. Good head on his show. Shoulder. Good head in the shoulders. I mean, I've only seen him live one time, and that was against Ohio State,

and he was very impressive. Very impressive in that game. And I've only seen Shadur one time, and that was at the Nebraska game. And I'm in, gee, you were with me sitting there at half time. I'm like,

they're fucking dead. There's no, they're, it's, that was the worst. Those two back-to-back series of stop on, like, third down,

whatever, and then pick. Yeah. It was, yeah, that was maybe one of the worst games I've ever seen out of a division one football team. No,

the way they were operating handling. I thought there was no way to come back, but kind of shows what adversity brings, backs against the wall a little bit, they ended up competing to possibly play in a Big 12 championship, which is, you know, huge of a bit. You know who did play in that Big 12 championship? ASU.

Cam Scadabobo. Scatabo. I mean, buddy. I saw a post where when he was so happy for him. Scatabo's just crying tears of pure creatine. I saw a clip like it said Scadabobo's first. run for the Giants and it was the longest yard. That's how a white man runs football.

I mean, dude, good for him. I mean, his story is incredible too. He goes to Sacramento State ends up transferring to ASU. He's a guy that, you know, undersized, white, like small, not very fast, like all the things got to going against him and took a team and put it on his back where he was the bell cow for two seasons. And we got to see him in the spring game when you just ran him. You understood immediately.

Like, we got to run this guy. I know you're the starter. I'm going to need you for all. four quarters. Yeah. I mean, that's Mike Austin. He takes a team

to the fucking playoffs. Literally. It's crazy. They should have won that game against Texas too. Oh,

that was a good game. They should have won that game. That was a good game. My man was throwing up stale, toting that rock. Going.

Going. You know, I think it's going to be a stud. You need a little bit more on the old line there, but Ash and Genty. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's got such a good head. And I'm not. He's saying that because he had the Raiders. Well, yeah.

I'm hyped that he went there, but we got to do the two-minute drill with him after the draft. Yeah, I saw that. We'd seen him briefly in the Nashville airport, but he just seems like a quality dude, man. Quality dude. Man, I'm watching fish and listen to his little draft story. I was like, I like him. Yeah. I like him.

And the fact that he stayed at Boise State. I know. He could have made way more money somewhere else where he decided to stick with that. I'm sure that went in a long way. That's the guy I want. Yeah. Because when you, now when you come into an NFL locker room, they'd be like, tell us what what's your shining bonus?

First I started Louisiana Tech, and I went to Nebraska. Then I went to... Right. You guys going all over the place. All over the place. You're like, goddamn. And this dude, I mean, he's with Pete Carroll in a place where, like, they work. Yeah, Chip Kelly.

Like, dude, they could be good this year. Isn't he the second highest paid running back in the NFL? Because of the draft. I thought he was like for the fourth. He's top five. Yeah, he definitely top five. That's crazy. Oh, just because of the running back market and where he got drafted?

Yeah. It's like 30 million guaranteed. Yeah, that's why they say you shouldn't draft a running back high in the draft because now it's about to set the bar for all these other running backs. About to be like, I need to make more over 31 million now. Good morning. Yeah. Pete Carroll, man.

P. Carroll don't give a fuck. I'm fired up for him. I mean, you had to get him. It was like, once Jacksonville made that trade, I said, oh, it's about the, I knew it was about to mess up the draft. If it would have went in order, you could probably, he probably would have fell in a second. I, that's what I was thinking, but soon as- Gentie?

No, Sanders. Oh, we're back on Sanchez. Yeah, soon as that Jacksonville traded up to get Travis Hunter, I said, oh, the draft's jacked up. You can ask anybody who was sitting with me in a green room at the Titan Stadium. I said, I'm about to win this bet. I do just like that. I say, just like that. They're like, what bet?

Off the second pick? Off the second pick. That is crazy. The draft is jacked up. I'm about to win. I said, oh, it's jacked up. I said, I'm about to win this. It is a wild move for the Jags to take Travis Hunter,

trade that much draft capital to go get a non-quarterback guy. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, we were sitting with that crew in the little cafeteria area in Media Row, and they were saying how when they were asking about, what was it, Abdul Carter, or they were talking to Jacksonville about somebody. I forget who it was, but all that that GM wanted to talk about was Travis Hunter. Yeah. They were trying to get a feel for him on maybe Ashton Jentee since they were like four or five at that point,

before Jacksonville traded up. And they said all the GM wanted to talk about was Travis Hunter. Yeah. I know they wasn't getting. They went and got their guy. They got a running back. Yo, Travis Hunter, bro. I want to, like, doesn't Fandall already have odds on the app for him to run offensive rookie in the year and defensive rookie?

Like if he wins both. Plus 5,000. Yeah, plus 5,000 on Fandle sports. Bro, his energy. He's got the juice. He do, but we went and got the wire receiver who put him in a blender. Yes, we did. They came from Stanford?

Yeah. The odds on fan duel for Travis Hunter to win both the offensive and defensive and defensive rookie at plus 5,000 right now. Got to sprinkle. How insane would that be? Do you think he's going to be able to play both sides of the ball in the NFL? Yeah, I think so, but not as not as at a high quality as he did in college. It's a little difference.

It's a little difference. I mean, dude, how do you play 120 snaps a game? You think he's going to be able to do that in the NFL? I think he'll be able to be able to do something snaps without being dead. I'll say as I hope he does. I'd be so sick to see, bro. When your rookie year, when did you hit the wall? shit. Well, my work year

is kind of nice because I got hurt like week 12 so I miss last few. I hit when the wall hit. Yeah. I hit when the wall hit. Because you know that usually when the season keep going college football over with. We're still playing. Yeah, you get like past November, you get into December you're like, what the fuck is going on here? You're playing 140 stops in Alpsuette in Colorado.

True. That is crazy. That's crazy. The man is a dog for doing that. And it's weird too. I don't know if I heard this correctly, but Jacksonville was doing a press conference saying he'll be on offense primarily with packages on defense. That feels backwards to me. No, they dropped them as a receiver.

Did no one notice that? A quarterback wide receiver. That's what it said on the thing. I thought it said receiver. He came up, he said. The press conference, they're talking like his primary role is going to be offense. Yeah, receiver. Yeah.

I don't know if you were about to say this, JP, but if he plays wide receiver, you have him and Brian Thomas Jr. Two young, fast, badass wide receivers. Now it's just up to Trevor Lawrence to make it work. But I'm with you. I think you got to play heavy defense. And then make a splash on. Right.

Because it's easier. Like, if you play primarily defense, a lot of those corners are, they don't really take breaks, right? They're on the field the whole game. They're on the field. The whole game.

Wide receivers you can kind of change out a little bit. So you can have a more extensive package for this cat. Put him in on, you know, a certain downs. Get him in that breather. He'll probably need. But bro, playing Colorado 140 snaps a game.

Like, that's intense. That's crazy. I mean, and the kid is impressive, bro. even when we saw him in Nebraska, I watched him. He just looked different than all the other kids. He just seems so light walking around like he just has found.

He's floating, bro. Is. Hands are crazy. The way he can locate the ball. Them celebration, touchdown celebration is going to be crazy. Yeah, we're going to see. It's going to, it's going to, it's either going to be, he going to shine on both or he's going to be a touchdown and a pick six in one game.

Bro. I think he can be a bus. No, I don't think he's going to be a bus. I say it's either going to pan out. him playing both ways or it's not going to work. He's at a weird, like, it's hard to evaluate what a bust would be for him. But he's going to play both sides of the ball. But he's so high up, if he don't perform, even in the middle, people will be calling him a bus.

Yeah, but I'm saying like, if he's playing both sides of the ball, if you play in the middle for 10 years, both sides of the ball, never make a pro, never make an all pro, is that a bust? But you're playing wide receiver and corner. You are Hall of Fame. Not a top five guy at any position. Not a top, you know,

eight guy. Is he on the same squad the whole time? I don't know if that plays. Does that matter when you're talking about a bus? If he's getting, if he's getting extended, it's like they drafted him to have a long career. And if he's having a long career to where he's playing solid football

on both sides of the line of scrimmage and then the external stuff he just doesn't get, I guess it just depends on how the team sees it. Only one person else did this other than him. And that's Dion Sanders. And Dion Sanders did it at, He was a good by Charles Woodson. Charles Wilson, too, but he didn't play as much receiver as Dion Sanders did. Dion Sanders would go out there, cook a cat, catch a pump return, go play DB, get a pick, take it to the crib.

This man did everything. But he was in play, like, he only played a few, like a few snaps. Yeah, he had packages on offense. They'll talk about Travis Hunter. It's 24-7. Yeah. Yeah, that, to me. Or it's like if he was playing all defense and he'd be getting at least 20-30 snaps on offense.

That's fine. I think he should play all defense and then get like 20 to 30 snaps on offense. That's what Deion did. That's why I think Deion had a great career at 60 receptions for 784 yards. That's Deion Sanders? Goddance. That's what I'm saying. This is AI and I guess his most productive season on both sides.

It says Dion Sanders played on offense for roughly 50% of the snaps during his 1996 NFL season with the Cowboys. and then he played 80% of defensive plays in the same season. That is. That is from AI. Sometimes AI has led us astray, but that is crazy. That's the only person we can compare him to. Yeah. He is him and him is he.

Yeah. But we said too if Travis Hunter is elite at both, he could get two Pro Bowls per year. Play 10 years, make 20 Pro Bowls. I don't think they go do that. Did you hear Warren Sat talk about Travis Hunter? No. He was just talking about, you know, he's played with Dion.

He's played with the Bulls of the league, and he's like, this dude is. He's a dog. He's like, he's about football. He's a dog. Like 24-7, this dude is about, he's about football. But I'm excited to see him go up against, you know what I'm saying? Some of the elites we have in the NFL that he don't see in his conference. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. So, AJ, that's who, like, dogs, like, big boys. Yeah. Because we watch him go against one, a half decent big boy at Stanford. and he big boyed him. You got $150, $2.30. Yeah. Big boyed him.

So let's see what happens when he goes against Tyree Hill. Yeah. I'm just saying. They play the Eagles. They play the Eagles. You got to lock down AJ Brown or Smitty. Then go play offense and get locked down by Cooper DeGine. I mean, that's tough.

That's a long day. That's a long day, bro. That's a long day. Yeah. Strap up. I hope he can do it, though. I do too. It'll be crazy because he'll be like probably the first player.

He can do it every week, but two times a year. Because he doesn't have to go guard the best guy. No. Man, but what? No, he definitely does. He got to. Why would you, you're a locked down corner, you Heisman, you better, you better guard the best player on offense.

If they, again, they're like Jacksonville's primary looking at him for offense. But yeah, if they brought him in to be a corner, it's like, yeah, then you got a. But to me, I'm seeing them on both sides. It would be dumb to put them on the best receiver all game. on defense and then have him come play offense. Like I'm putting them on wide receiver number three. But then how can you make the, how can you say he the best DB in the league

if he ain't even covering the best receivers? Oh, I'm not saying he's the best DB in league. I'm not saying you saying that. I'm saying that's going to be talk about. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? If he, rookie of the year, defense and offense, but you never, you didn't cover the best wide receivers,

but you still weren't rookie of the year. See, sometimes that, to me. What if he leads in picks? That's different. Now, if he leading picks, we can't do nothing about it. I think if he plays a significant amount of snaps on both sides of the ball and is just efficient, he should win rookie of the year. Yeah.

Because that's the more impact than anybody could have on their team. It's crazy. I give you that. I just think he's a generational talent. Yeah. Another one I'm fired up for Tyler Booker going to Dallas. And you see the way everybody responds, I feel like to offensive linemen when they get drafted, like the fan base seemed like they hate it.

Like I was looking at the Will Campbell stuff. People were like, oh, worst draft pick of all time. They're not pretty. That's why. There's nothing pretty about the old line. When you see Tyler Booker's interview with Michael Parsons? No, I didn't see it. Where he asked him about like why he loves football and he's like, you know,

guys who like love football, they love doing like their pregame. They love taking their supplements before the game, training for, they're enjoying going out and playing football. He's like, what I love about it is knowing that like basically all the kids love that, but then they come across Tyler Booker. When you come across Tyler Booker, when I'm hitting you over and over and over, Siri, snap, every game,

and I see that love, leave their eyes. That's what makes me love the game. I love that. That's me. I love that. Micropars his reaction. Yeah, yeah, they was getting too. I ain't on.

I ain't gonna lie. I don't listen to cats who still play football podcast. Like, nah, I don't do that. Hey, you. That sounds are weak, right? Messing with the boys. I'll fuck with Bussing with the boys. This is the difference.

Y'all was on your way out. Truth hurts. True hurts. He's like, y'all saw the vision. It's like you guys were transitioning out of it. Yeah, y'all saw it. And I said, okay, it ain't about done. The boys put the lot into it.

Taylor had to take a year off. What else do we have? What are the odds for? I see you got on the document the odds for. offensive play of the year and defensive play of the rookie of the year. Okay, I thought you was about saying. So I'm saying dual gentees at plus 270,

Cam Moore plus 400, Travis Hunter plus 750, Tet McMillan plus 950, Omarian Hampton, plus 1,400. For defensive rookie of the year, you got Abdul Carter plus 250, Jalen Walker plus 700, Travis Hunter plus 1,000,

Mikhail or Mikeliel Williams plus 1100 and Shamar Stewart plus 1,200. It's going to be hard to get defense of the year. I just looking at those names rookie deems of the year. Oh my God, that's going to be tough. What are your thoughts on Cam Ward?

Titans taking Cam Ward first overall. I like Cam Ward. Knowing that too, it sounds like they're fielding phone calls of people giving a lot of shit to try and get in that first slot. Yeah, no, they was trying to trade up. Titans wasn't going for it. They wanted Cam Ward. I like Cam Ward.

And the reason why I like him, he's humble. That dude is humble. Even though everybody, oh, zero stars, everyone had to say zero goddamn stars. I heard that a hundred times when this man got dragged. He had zero stars coming out of high school. Who cares? Like the dude been through so much and to overcome everything that he's been through to be where he had today.

I love that. He didn't come with chains on, jewelry on, came with a nice suit. That's the type of quarterback I want. I don't want to look at my quarterback. He looked like he supposed to be in a rap video. I want the quarterback that looked like he had goddamn quarterback. He had a video with Shadur, too. He's like, no, I don't want to do a song.

He's like, I just want to be. I want to be a football player. Yeah. My identity as a football player. As a football player. As a football player. Josh Pate told the cool story about Cam Ward. I think he was in Miami,

like a couple of days after Cam Ward got there. And he was working out. I don't know if it was Josh Pate, so I might be misquoting that. But he walked in and he saw that Cam Ward was just giving it to the Miami football team. Like going in on them. Yeah, being basically telling him how things aren't good enough.

You guys got to be better X, Y, and Z. But he was, he's been in the building for like 72 hours at this point. And these guys are sitting. there and eating it. And then he goes and produces the way he did on the field. But I love this Eurostar thing. I know you, I know you don't like it.

I love it because it shows, one, it shows the kid right now who has no offers in high school. Like, you still can make it even if people say you can't make it. And it shows how much like, this is unbelievable. Like this kid was from an evaluation standpoint,

every single college, the one, two, all of them didn't see the capability this kid has. Now, fast forward to 2025. He's in Green Bay's holding up the one. He's been the first overall pick of the 2025 draft. That shit is fucking dope to me.

Oh, he's the first zero-star recruit to be drafted first in the NFL history. Oh, yeah. Is that true? Or someone just made that up. That's what this graphic in front of us is saying. I mean, and I like that as a... If Instagram said it, it's got to be right. Of course.

The thing that, dude, the thing, only thing that worries me about Cam Ward, because I love the mentality. I love the attitude. I love how humble he is. It's all these experts saying how this is the worst draft. This, the quarterback draft is not great. If Cam Ward was getting drafted, it had been between Bo Nix and whoever got drafted after Bo Nix

in the last year's draft. If J.J. McCarthy was in this draft, he had been the first overall pick and he was like the second or third. Like all these things give me pause. But like the Cam Ward shows even being around him for the two minute drill. Like this kid has a presence about him.

That's like he wants to be great. He knows he's going to be great and he's going to go out there and fucking get it. I'm gonna be, this is just being real. Analyst are like me and you and you. We just say what the fuck we think. We don't know what's going to happen. You got five stages.

Yeah, I know, but we're all guessing at the end of the day. We can make these stages. We can put them in a category. It's a guess at the end of the day. You don't know what these dudes are thinking in that, in that room sitting there, analysts, like what, what they want for, for my player? These dudes come up here, like, I watched guys get mad.

These NFL players, they don't, NFL scouts don't know how to pick quarterbacks. They don't know how to do nothing. Like, these guys are getting mad. No one listened to. Mel Typer crashing out. Yeah, no one listened to them. For 20 years, NFL, they don't have to pay them.

Yeah, because we listen to it. But what have you really done but just go to school to be a journalist and learn how to read shit and take that and then go up there and give your opinion? No one gives a shit, honestly. No one cares. Like, you can say all you want to say about these players. I could have been wrong, you know what I mean? About the pick about it.

And no one cares. Obviously, they're going to joke with us because we clowns and people want to make fun of us for making a bad pick or getting a good pick. But these dudes really take that shit to heart. Personal. Personal. It's their jobs. It's our jobs.

No, my job, my job is not to evaluate people. At all. At all. At all. At all. But we give our opinions. You didn't do one scouting report. But we give our opinions, don't we?

Yeah. Todd DeShay, Mel Kiper, what is it? Daniel Jeremiah. These guys are all literally paid to evaluate players and say what they think. Yeah, they collect in a check. I mean, yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously, someone of them. that goes into it.

Yeah. I do feel like they spend a lot of time trying to break it down. It's tough to break it down when you're not sitting in those rooms, though, with these GMs and those scouts. It's really hard to break it down. Think about it in the fall when we're doing the locker room and you get on the Fandual app and you look at it and you're like, all, I think the Steelers are going to cover against the 49ers.

And then you look at all the information. It's so easy to second guess that bet. Yes. And be like, okay, you know what? Because of these couple of things, I'm going to go this way. Really, that shit might not matter at all. At all. And then they get blown out and you lose a bet.

Like what the fuck am I doing? Yeah. Like what do I try to reinvent the wheel every time I place a bet? And that's what they do. Yeah, but a lot of those analysts, they have a lot of sources inside buildings and everything else. Where they try to piece it all together in their own way. If I was a GM, I will be giving false information the whole five months until the draft. Because I know it's, it's moles in every organization thinking they can get a dollar by giving information.

I will sit there and tell lies. I would just be getting coffee like, yeah, I think we're going to go. go with it should do her first round just so people can believe it just so i because i know everyone is a moe i'll just lie it would be a fucking menace bro you get so many people somebody sitting there haven't called me i think we gonna go here can we pull up the titans draft because i i don't want to speak too quickly can you once you go through it will you try and pronounce every single draft pick's name because there's a few there's a few they're tough no he's talking about just for the tight just for the tight absolutely yeah just for the tithes oh yeah i have for too many

and I'll do the undrafted guys as well. This cat from, what's the GM's name for the Titans? I forgot his name. I feel like he was Callahan. Oh, not Callahan. I forgot his name. Borzenga? He came from Kansas City.

Yeah. What I'm seeing is this man knew what he was doing. He definitely know what he's doing. I said, oh my God, we got a good GM. All right. We got a good geo. First round, first pick. Obviously we know is Cam Ward.

Next, second round, 52nd pick. Alofimi, Ola, Ola. DiJo. That's true. Did he say it correctly? No. One for one. Come on.

Two for two. Edge. UCLA. I don't know anything about him. Three. Third round pick. Eighty second and overall. Kevin Winston Jr.

Safety. Penn State. Don't know anything about him. Fourth round, 103. Shemiri Dyke. Wide receiver. Florida.

Tough. Tough last name. I believe it's pronounced V.K. Doesn't matter. Is it. How is it spelled? Phonetically spell it online and it was like D-E-E-E-K-A-Y. Oh.

I don't know that sure or not, but I'm going to say dyke the whole series. No one's seeing phonetics. No one's hooked on phonics on Sundays. They're all looking at that. They're going to mess up every single time. Oh, my God. Fourth round pick, 120, Gunner Helm, tied in. By the way, that's why I started to sit there.

That's a good pick. And be like, a thousand and two yards, like 10 plus touchdowns. There's whispers that he's going to be, and I'm not just hands right now, the next Delaney Walker, he doesn't have. the speed that Delaney had, but I saw a lot of people being like, this could be the next Delany Walker. I saw that too. I saw that too.

What do you think about that? I love it. He's white. Workers are meant to be broken. It don't write the first record, the white dude had it. Then the black guy broke it. Yeah. So it may be another white guy to break it.

Or white guys were having to come back in recent years. I made tight in. Come on. Fair enough. The second fourth round pick 136 overall Elic. Ayo Manor. They saw it? Good.

All right, wide receiver, Stanford. That's the kid. That's the kid that cooked Travis Hunter. Yes. Another great pick. And I've only seen that game. So I don't know if it's a good thing. No, he balled in a lot of games.

Yeah. Gosh. We haven't done that in a while, but we need offense right now. Fifth round pick, 167, Jackson Slater, Guard in Sacramento State. I love guards being taken from small schools. Small schools. They be dogs. They're dogs.

They're fucking grinders. They don't. care about the bullshit. They get in there. They get their nose fucking dirty. They go home. They have a couple of bud lights. They get with the morning.

They do it fucking again. He's definitely a hunter. Can you do me a favor and pull that back up? He's definitely a hunter. Look, I told you he's definitely a hunter. Twitter today, too, I saw Jackson Slater was wearing our bussing hat. Come on, Jackson. There you go.

He knows what time is. You know, too, if they drafted him, you know, oh, Bill Callahan, just ready to get his hands on him. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Get him on that fucking slug. Get him going.

I saw the graphic. I'm like, he must be solid if Bill Callahan. Yeah. Yeah. That's my guy. Cats don't understand. We have a legendary offensive line coach. Legendary.

Yeah. Legend. Wait for it. Derry. You know what I'm saying? Six-round pick 183. Marcus Harris cornerback at a cow. Don't know anything about that.

Don't know anything about that. Need corners. Need corners. Got to have them. Got to have them. Got to have them. Got to have him spats. Get him on the gun or let him go.

and the sixth round pick 188 Khalil Mulling's running back from the University of Michigan. This cat, dude, first 20 games he started at Michigan was that middle linebacker. You know what? Oh, that was this cat?

Yes. And he had a breakout game against it was the USC? This past year, well, not this past year. The year before that, the national championship year, they put him as a running back.

Had a couple of plays was more of a short yardage cat. Big dude. Strong dude. Yeah. And then we saw this past year. Like USC had a, had a crazy run.

Had great runs against Ohio State. I mean, you see, based on the throwing capabilities of Michigan last year, we relied on this guy and Donovanward's the entire time. One thing that was crazy, Donovanward's not getting drafted by Jets. He was the CFB-25 cover athlete, which is just tough, man. He kind of got lost in the sauce this year. I don't know if it was a Yips thing or whatever, but... What a pivot for this guy, though.

Yeah, incredible. From backer to running back and then you get drafted? He's got vision, too. He's got great vision. It goes to the point when I first came in, though, he's being drafted in a sixth round to a team that has two good running backs already in the tight. So that hurts. He's going to have to be a team's guy.

He's going to have to be a team's guy. Teams guy and get to no third down package. He can tackle too. You got your short yardage guy right here. You get your short yarder's guy right here. He's going to have. But again, a guy that can round out that if you're only dressing three and you're looking at numbers, you know this running back, former linebacker is going to be running down flying around.

Yeah, knocking people out. So he's going to suit up. So that's a good point. That's a good point. That's a good point. He'll be your personal protector on punt. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, kickoff, pump return. Everything. That's a core four guy. Yeah, core four. Core four. No doubt. He's dotted. Can we see what the experts are saying was the best draft, like draft grades?

I just want to see it real quick. Where the tight ends ranked? That's the last one I saw. No, yeah. That was the last. pick. Yeah. Yeah.

You see the Eagles got Ty Robinson and then stuff that was kind of going viral last night when I was doomed scrolling. They got an A minus. Was there like,

hey, if they take away the tush push he'll just run Ty Robinson right at your face because he scored like nine out of the ten times that they had him on goal line at Nebraska.

Just another month's like, okay, you're going to take the tush push away. We're just going to draft this boy to just have him on the goal line. Right. So my Eagles got like great hits. Because they, they don't know

they always fucking do. They got an, incredible roster and then you just get the ad yeah they're taking best available every every time every time in their mind which is just so great a lot of Alabama kids Arizona Cardinals they got a good pick out of Will Johnson second round I know he's had a couple of neat things and stuff like that we didn't even fall in the top five this gray's able kid dude North Dakota State big fan of the bus by the way North Dakota State guard tackle individual stud this kid cares about family God country and farming that's the time I'm

My kind of guy. My kind of guy. That's right. Football's the top. That's God tier. Then there's other ones. Then life. Dude, the Patriots.

Always. You know who I'm fired up to watch is that the running back Henderson. Yeah. And everyone salivates over his third down pass pro. Salivates. Like anytime you see guys talking on pause over there like, what do you love about him? And dudes just love like jerking off to his third down pass. Picking up.

Which teams love? Like if you're a three down back. Pick up a blitz? Yeah. Shit. It's hard to find. running back back and having just an all-round back somebody who could like start and you don't have to take them out second yeah he can just play all three down you know what my favorite

wants to do he wants to he wants to he wants to be physical he got it back and it can do both those things yeah dude i love i love to pick will campbell too oh yeah and then shirman was telling me that there people were like measuring my arms versus his arms oh which on social media yeah i think the arm thing is so fucking dumb here's why 95% of office alignment are not using their length anyway. So if you have long arms, it's like, you're losing four, five, six inches. If this Will Campbell kid refines his game a little bit and uses length, which he does, you see in a lot of his

LSU film, if he gets pinpoint accuracy with those strikes, his arms are going to be just long enough. I mean, what do you mean by using your lymph? Because I feel like if you shoot too crazy and you miss, you're done. That's a tight end comment right there. Here's the thing. And he's talking about long arms, like,

when you feel somebody hit you with the long arm and there's nothing that you're able to, like, get inside on. You're like, fuck, you know, you can't reach. somebody's body. I'm not a long-armed guy. I'm a catcher. You catch and bring him in, hold on. Because you don't have to block for very long.

You know a lot of things. Like if you want to go check to me and I be out there to help you. You know you should hold up for a certain of my time. Yeah, yeah. Back help. But if you are a fourth overall pick and you're going to play left tackle and you're going to protect Drake May's blind side, like you length is the most underutilized thing and the most helpful thing in office alignment can do. If you're able to just keep the guy away from your body, buddy, I'm. telling you. It is an absolute

game changer. Shout up Mike Sullivan. Because when I came to the league, I didn't use any length. I was all just, I just played with my feet and I was stronger everybody in college. Once I use my length, like, that's when I really took the steps. And this kid, he's got the attitude. I'll start watching highlight videos of this dude. My God. He does

the fucking eye black. And there's one where it's like, he goes up to the camera and he's like, tell them bitches and sit the fuck down. And then all of a sudden it goes in him just like dumping cats. And that shit got me hard. That was football. During training camp, he was honored to wear number seven throughout training camp. Like, you know, because seven's like the coveted number.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You seen the video of him squatting 600 pounds? He, there's one, he's like in the LSU. He gets the way to his back. The whole team's around him. And he looks at the camera, winks. And then squats the fuck out of it. I got, I got goosebumps thinking about this cat mowing down the AFC East.

Moing these bitches down. He's good. He's got it. and do the show with us, man. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I love the bus and the back of the bus. You know, I'll fuck with them. We'll do the show, too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the microphones right in your mouth. I know they Tennessee fans, you know what I mean? We ranked 32. I did see that. Ranked lowest due to the least draft capital over expected, indicating limited value in their selections. Wrong.

They just added. They don't know nothing. They just be writing shit. That might just mean, like, they were expected. to probably trade the first overall pick. Why would they? I don't know. People were pretty like, damn, that's so dumb.

They did trade a lot, though. Those middle rounds, they did trade back quite a bit. Did you not see the stadium with nuts when that fan, when we hit Cam Ward? I mean, you couldn't even hear. The outside noise has 32, but I feel like everybody in Nashville who sees all these offensive players that the Titans took, everybody's elated knowing what the Titans have done in the past. Let's have a, come to Jesus conversation about what the expectation should truly be for the Tennessee

Titans this year in Cam Ward. This year. No, you crazy You're crazy. Hey, nah, no, you're crazy. Don't do that. Don't, yeah, don't do that. That's crazy.

You can't be 500 in the league anymore. I know, but like 8, 9, 7 and 10. Here's a deal. I think the record, if you go 7 and 10, but you're showing a massive upswing, you're losing games in a very slow, small fashion. You're not making done mistakes.

You can see all three phases doing their jobs and it just happened to be. Hey, the kick went in. It was a long kick. He made that kick, so they ended up winning by one. And that's your record at 7 and 10. We should sit here. Be proud of that.

You know that Callahan's the guy still, blah, blah, blah. Because if they start the way they started last year, Callahan's going to have his ass out the door pretty quickly. They only start the way that happens if Cam Ward's making the same. Same, but like... He's not going to be doing that. Will, Will was making some bonehead fucking moves in being. He was memed every week for the first five weeks, right?

Yeah, yeah. Four for four. Yeah, on the meme zone. Like that's a tough deal But this Cam Ward kid Like first overall pick He was zero stars All the things whatever

Bill Callahan has a history Of all the quarterbacks That he's had in the past If he's Decent This year And shows a couple of flashes This is actually a quote from JP

Because I really agree with it We shall be proud of that We don't need this cat to be We would love for him to be Offensive Rookie of the Year We'd love him to be Jane Daniels Daniel C.J. Strowd

Let's have a reasonable expectation for the growth because everything is saying Titans are still in a rebuilt. Seems like they had a good draft. They went after some things. I didn't see a tackle they'd taken actually. We need a right tackle. We got one in the free We got a free agent. But he gave up the

most goddamn Oh yeah. Sacks and hurries. Yeah. That scares me a little bit. $80 million deal. I feel you on the being happy if Cam Ward is like decent but bro, a quarterback can turn

shit around. I mean, just look at both, Jay and Daniels, C.J. Stroud, their teams, Bo Nix, the year before. I don't disagree at all. The year before, like, Houston was abysmal. As an organization, everything, top to bottom. C.J. Stroud comes in. They get a new head coach. They get Will Anderson and C.J. Stroud in the first round. And just like that, bro, they are weapons. That's fantastic. I don't disagree with those two examples. But we're talking about a massive sample size of a lot of first round quarterbacks, a lot of expectations. You can even throw Bo Nicks in the mix. I said Denver. So like, yes, that is great.

I think a Denver step would be awesome. Like you're in that playoff hunt at the end. Yeah. And you're kind of controlling your destiny. If they have a year that the Denver Broncos had this year, I am, I think I sit there at the end of this 2025 season thinking, boys, we got something cooking. If I'm a Denver fan right now, I'm thinking we got something cooking over here, which is awesome. It's truly on the feeling of the cue, man.

Again, when Houston got done, it's like, we have a fucking quarterback. You have a squad. When Denver got done, like obviously Bo Nix had some growing pains earlier in the year and then got going in the back half the year

it's like, you know, Denver might be nice this year because they got a quarterback. Jane Daniels, you watch his year unfold as the rookie the year.

It's like, we have a fucking franchise quarterback. Right. It's going to come down to like, if you feel at the end of the year, Cam Ward is our dude no matter where

that record kind of sits. Like if you're saying Cam Ward is that dude you're sitting around maybe right over 500 but you're feeling great about the future of Cam Ward

as your quarterback for a very long time. If you as a fan are able to sit there in December, early December and go, we can make the playoffs if. That's good enough. We need to understand. That is, this should be the, that should be the bare minimum expectation for the Titans this year. I feel like, you're in a good spot. Because honestly, if I'm Washington, I'm more nervous than I am.

I'm excited, obviously, because you have a quarterback here. The franchise, Dan Quaney is incredible. But I'm also nervous because you went to the NFC championship last year. Like that is you're one game away from going to Super Bowl And to recreate that and do that again Is very very difficult to do I am I'm in a very optimistic state If I'm the Broncos as you know they're gonna take a step up

As a Washington fan you're hoping they do the same thing as they did last year But I think everybody in Washington knows that they overachieved and so when they beat the lion It's like man this is this is crazy down Goliathes Yeah right so I think they have like that level of expectation And you're like level of awareness to where you're gonna see what happens But, bro, imagine being on the squad, knowing that you got a quarterback in the room. Like, think about your wives right now in OTAs. I mean, we got a killer under center.

Think about it. You brought in, what, Tyler Lockett. I mean, that boy, now you got two deep threats. Now you just, you can even just throw a hell marry up for him. He's still like that. He just had a down seat. Yeah, I do. He's more possession, that, bro.

He's like a. He's like a bomb. You throw a bomb, he go get it. He's a T. He's going to work. He's a T. He's old, bro. It doesn't.

He's old. He's old. Like, I get it. You know, everybody said, this is the graveyard. They're like, oh, this is the graveyard for receivers. I don't think for him, no. And then bringing in Cam Ward, I think that opens up his door. I think that's going to help him.

I really believe that he's going to have a bus out of year. You got a veteran presence. The way they've talked about Tyler Lockett in Seattle over all the years that he's been there, as far as leadership, the way he shows up to work, everything. It's going to be a ying and yang. It's going to be great for Cam Ward. Yeah, and he literally made a video, an actual video to every person who got drafted. to the Titans.

Yeah, he tweeted out of all too. That's great. That's good leadership. Lockett will be good for these wide receivers that we drafted that are similar builds. Nope. Dyke. Yep. Dyke.

We got to get Dyke shirts. We got to get Dyke shirts. I just think there's going to be a whole different dynamic in that locker room. And I'm excited to see what the Titans. I think they have to have success before the true dynamic shifts. I think they brought in good leadership. But think about like after the 2019 season, we sat there as like players and we're like, we have a fucking squad.

Yeah. Like we can go win this motherfucker for real. 2020, like I remember OTAs in 2020 being like, well, we actually didn't have OTAs in 2020, but like this going into the season of 2020 being like, we can really win all of it. And there's a different level of intention when you actually know your team can win it all. Yeah, you when you believe it. Yeah. When you really believe it.

And that's where Washington's sitting right now. That's what I'm saying. That's where these teams are sitting when you got like, yo, this quarterback is nice. And then you realize like your roster is good enough. your quarterback's damn sure is good enough you're like you're moving throughout the off season like you're ready to go win the whole thing right yeah i'm excited right now in the a mc south fan dual odds yeah the hush and texasons plus 125 this is the future to win the afccccccc jacks plus 270 plus 270 plus 270 and then the titans plus 1,000 god man we just get disrespect i mean you might as well i'm a hammered at that's disrespect i mean bro they were i think the worst team in the modern football era

These teams sitting up there who you got one in the division? The Titans, man. What the fuck? Come on. The Titans. Of course. Always the Titans, man. I've never going to go against the Titans.

I wonder if they're over under wins. I wonder if they're over under on wins went up after drafted Cam Ward. Because if it's like five and a half, six and a half, I feel you got to hammer the over. Cam Ward. Just the juice and the swag That the squad will have Everybody in the stands gonna be doing that

Everybody in the stand's gonna do that They did it when they drafted them When they drafted them People was doing that shit I'm like god Everyone was doing it at the draft I'm like yo this is crazy I do want to say to all Titans fans

Jack McPherson was the first Titans fan To get a photo with Cam Ward as a titan Oh I believe it It was awesome dude Like Delaney is saying, he's a humble cat, but I'm pissed. We had footballs laying around, and I could have been the first player ever. Player. First player ever to catch a pass from the number one overall pitch in the 2025 NFL draft.

But I got the photo with them. I'm so fired up about the Titans season. I'm ready to be hurt again. So it's going to be fun. Yeah. I mean, I know you probably heard after the Nico thing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that

We're over that And it's gonna be a Titans fall I mean the Vols too We're not gonna talk about it Will Buddy Zero I promise you There's nothing in me wants to talk about it If I know you guys aren't talking about

What would you guys talk about? Nothing I don't even know why he would say anything This is about the coffee thing The coffee thing In Green Bay What happened there? He's talking about at the Oh the ice

The iced latte I didn't know I didn't want to bring up my bad No, I just, you know I think the Vols might They're in a rebuild Who knows? It's a tight

You know, baby It's a Titans fall And I'm fired up GBOO I'm so ready for football season To be here Bro, yes I'm fucking one

Or I don't know if we have a We played a way week one Last year against the Bears So I assume we'll probably have Week one at home Yeah The atmosphere And it could go all downhill

After that Like if we have one bad game We're right back to what we started But For about 20 minutes right before pregame flyover hits National Anthem's going. Holy shit.

All your same game parles are in. You're like, I'm about to cook-coco. I can't. Do we go? I'm there. I'm there. I'll be there week one. I'll be there.

I'm always there. Busted field trip. I'm always there. We got to be the whole stadium. We got to be the 12th man and put the sword in the middle of the field. I know you've done it. Yeah, they won't Taylor. but so everybody would like, why Taylor is?

I say, man, look, he will be. I always try to put it politely. I was still active NFL football player. I say he will be when, you know, he got to. So what happened? I was like, he will be. They be like, man, why Taylor never come with you? Why Taylor will never come?

I'm like, you know, situations. No, they always ask Will too, but they want to know, you know, will never be the 12 men. I'll be around when I can be around again. That was unnecessary. Yeah. You're like half to say that far. Hey, I will be...

Trust me, I am aware and I know. That was just a shot. That was just a shot. I was unnecessary. To Titans fans, I will be back around when it's appropriate for me to be back around. Yeah, yeah, and I say that all the time. I always say that all the time. Yeah, I love for the Titans.

Always. I don't think they win the division this year, but I love for the Titans. Wait, what? I don't think they win the division this year. And I think it's... Like, being realistic, like, you know, I can't say nothing because I know how I am with the Oscars. I just know when Marcus Marriota came, his first year. Yeah.

We were dogs. The first year he got there. First game. Well, I got hurt. That's what. If I didn't get hurt, we probably would have kept going. I got hurt in the Tampa Bay game. Remember, I missed two weeks after that.

Then I came back and then we started whooping that. What about the other four? We lost in a row. We started whoopin. Bo, we won three games that year. Oh, the first year? The second year? It was the second year.

Okay, the second year. Three and thirteen. It was one of the year. What the fuck is Delaney talking about? It was one of those years, bro. I will say, when we get closer to this in the summertime, we get closer to the fall, I'll start waving the flag for the Titans. Logically, we got to sit there, be like,

we're probably not going to win the division this year. I would love if we're fighting for that six, seventh playoff suit. Hey, boy, sorry. Sorry, sorry. That's what it is. What do you think of the five and a half games over under? So last year, I hammered the over is at four and a half, and it did not hit.

Really? But I love the fact that on the Fandual Sportsbook, it's minus 135. right now for the over for the over so that's telling everybody hey listen we put it here but it's probably over yeah so i will be betting the over yeah i'll probably take the and i will i am going to bet the future plus 1,000 of the titans winning the event where is the schedule out no you know they do some bullshit that's the most annoying part of the schedule comes out i think like may 15th may 18th so then we can react about and i already want to give a shout to the chargers once again crushing it they do they do the best on the on the announcements yeah the best well yeah they had a

lot of people pissed with the charges they had one person literally pissed who's that the receiver from uh the raiders uh he now he in green bay what's his name god's no uh he played with aaron rogers he got him vante davante yeah he had the rams now yeah he had the rams now gotta watch your film i don't really catch up on that drafting stuff like that boy are the trades and nothing like that. You just want to do, we feel good? Yeah.

We feel all right. Oh, just so you guys know, I just saw a report that battle camp is number three. What? Oh, Battle Camp number three on Netflix.

Yeah. Someone actually hit me up about that this morning. Like, I just saw your boy on Netflix. I'm like, yeah, man, that's dope that he did that, right? Bro, Wednesday, I still feel like this is fake.

But Wednesday, we got off the plane connecting in Chicago and some two Asian chicks walk up to me and like, you're on the show, you're the host of the show, right? And I'm like, yeah, you're on Netflix. But they were so aggressive about it. I was like, someone set this up. Was it a setup?

Was it a setup? I was kind of hoping you guys would tell me, was it a setup? I have no. Because that was wild. The show just released that day. It's Netflix, though. You know they watching. They love these reality TV shows.

Love them. And it was fun. It was fun to do. Shout out Tony. Shout out Tony. The boys were saying they want to get Tony. on the bus. Tony will shoutouts.

Tony from London. Tony actually when he was done, when he left the show in the middle of shooting, he's like, let me get on the bus. And I told him then, and I'll say it now.

No. Hey, Annie from London or something like that? That's, Louis. Louis don't too. Tony's like he lives in Miami. He's like 25.

Tony, you come on the back of the bus spot. Yeah. Tony can be back to the bus spot. Yeah. Tony be funny as hell. Shout out Beau free shoutout. Yeah,

let's do it, bro. Bo jangles is the home. of delicious chicken, scratch made biscuits, legendary sweet tea, and amazing fixings. And they are a sponsor of Bustin' with the boys. Bo Jangle's breakfast has the best biscuit sandwiches in the game like the iconic Cajun Filet. Bo Jangle Supremes are always a good choice, especially when paired with sauces like house-made ranch, honey mustard, and peach honey pair.

The bus pole, as we do our shoutout, Beau Free Shoutout, we will also go around and take a poll. You'll give your shout out and you will also say if you are a... or a dunk boy? Do you like to drizzle the sauce on your biscuit or do you like to dunk your biscuit in the sauce? So just keep that in mind when you're doing the shout out. No free. Or shout out, bow free shout out. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers and guess what?

We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts.

We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we, how do we actually to come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys. I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. And Bojangles hooked it out. Yeah. Bo Free shout out. And Bojangles hooked it up with the sauces, too. Yeah, they got lots of sauces over here. Go ahead and go some of those back here.

My, uh, shout out, Bo Free shout out. You guys mind. Honey? If I go first. Go for her. Let me just pass this back to y'all. My name is Will Compton. And my shout-up, Beauforty shout-out this week is going to go to Clay Matthews on the mic at the NFL draft.

Oh, man. That was an A-plus troll, A-plus delivery, went viral, took the internet by storm. But that's my shout-up, Beaufort's shout-out is Clay Matthews on draft night, having the opening mic. And again, my name is Will Compton. I would like to say that I am a dunker with my Cajun. Can I speak on? Clay will never, ever get to do that again. Doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter. That's how you go out. That's how you go on and done. One and done. Leave a legend and make the moment that'll be remembered forever. They have me dead.

Get in, get off, get out. Clay Matthews. He was, when he started, because we're literally on the side of the stage. I didn't know where he was going with it. He's like, I started the phone with Donald Trump.

I'm thinking myself, oh my God, what is he doing right now? I was saying, I said, I said, where is he going? With this. Crazy.

And then when he did that, I'd fucking die. I will say, too, I know you guys were talking about that but I'm still thinking about the Cajun Filet Biscuit. Like, when they say drizzler, are we talking like drizzle on a sandwich and then eat it? Yeah. I do like to like do it as I go.

Drizzle as I go. That's what they mean. Drizzler? Okay. I'm a drizzler. I'm a drizzler. Okay, okay. My name's Taylor LeWon.

Sorry, sir. My name's Taylor LeWan and my shout-up, Bofrey shout out this week goes to kids plays. I went to my kids play on Friday, flew back from Green Bay early in the morning I was a grumpy boy all day. But the acting in those things, actually every single year it was gone a whole lot better.

But they did a play on Finding Nemo. My daughter was a stingray. My oldest win was a stingray and my youngest was a dolphin. In the movie, there's one stingray and there's no dolphin. So there's all the little kids in the back and they'll like do like these like sequence choreograph like hand gestures which they were all off on and they were singing pretty much just mouthing.

I have a video of my youngest daughter yawning during it. I'm just like this they they finish and they're so proud of what they accomplished by standing on stage for an hour. And it is it's it was awesome to see. So shout out my kids play. And oh, I'd like to say for the most part, I'm a dunker. I think situationally the drisler comes in driving what Will is doing right now. Now, if you're sitting in a chair with an early place, that's when you drizzle. But for the most part, I'm sitting at the counter.

I order my Bojangles, my Caj and Biscuit. I sit down at the table to eat it. I'm going to donk all day because you get more sauce that way. And everyone knows I'm a saucy boy. Yeah, sir. Y'all can go first. All right, my bow or my shout-down, bow-free shout-out. Oh, first off, yes, I'm Garrett-Hargis.

My Bo-Free shout-out is going to go to people that hustle for what they love. shout out jack bebe you guys stepped on that rug on the way into the bus he made that he reached out months ago so this has been months in the making for him to get it here unfortunately you guys were gone at the draft but he came by was stoked he wants to make one for the locker room so i want to just shout out guys that have something that they want to do push to get it and then you know he was able to come yeah make it happen i told him i was like hey hit up people he had asked me. He was like, I don't want to be the guy that hits people up too hard, but if I don't, then I didn't try. And so we had a good conversation, but I want to shout out Jack Beebe, and

I'm a dunker for sure. Nice. Shout out, Jack, baby. Shout out, Jack. That rug is awesome. Yeah, shout out. I'm a big fan of that. The small details that Buston's got in the last couple of months is awesome. That's what he said. Mike deals who that was Evan Cube. And then Jack Bibi, Jack Bibi with the rug. He's a linebacker at Ball State. Will, he was bummed you weren't here. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, you brought up fans that we love.

I like to have a pet peeve. Go ahead. Don't do it. Should I not? I don't know. Because I literally tried, I was going to respond to him. You're fueling the fire. I know two times yesterday.

I looked at it. I actually, I wrote a DM to him. And, but, you know, you're annoying as fuck. You're talking about. Yeah, but I ended up, I ended up racing. Yeah. BK? Bro, I ended up erasing it.

I ended up erasing it. And I end up not saying the DM because I'm thinking, and he'll screenshot it and put it out. But I do feel that way. Like this cat is fucking... He's got into a point to where I don't know if he's a tier one for the boys. Yeah, but his bio says tier one.

I know, I know. He says me tier one. He's not. Like he... He's not acting like it. If I'm having a cookout and I'm inviting fans, he's not getting invited.

He's gonna be devastated. So basically, fuck that guy is what I'm saying. But I'm not gonna even say his name. Oh. No, dude. That's up here. Rule number.

one in the Luan household. Act like a bitch get treated like a bitch. He's acting like a bitch. Even more. Shout out the good fans out there. Shout out the good fans out there. Jared Bebe.

Evan Koove, those boys that support. Jack Bibi. Jack Beebe. And I'm drawing a blank right now. Who's our boy that's always at our live shows front? Caleb. Yes.

Yeah. Oh, he's talking about the unit. Yeah, the unit. Yeah, he's a dog. Shout out Caleb. My, uh, my name's Mitch Carsley. I don't know. You started this.

My shout out, no free shout out this week. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. My shout-out, Beau, free shout-out. My bad, my bad. Out of boy, Delaney. Goes to redemption. Tell them why. We were in, uh...

Who, hey. We were in... Who would have called this? Obviously, we were at the draft this past weekend. Oh, yeah. There was a 40-yard dash thing there. I wanted to run it. And so, and then all the boys were like, yeah, go run it, go run it for sure.

I ran it. ran a 5-3 537 537 obviously I was pissed Will Taylor They were just on my back Like bro I can't believe Taylor three hours later

Bro what's crazy Like I've been thinking about it all day Thinking you're gonna say something profound Mitch really ran a 537 I'm like this motherfucker Get off my back It was pathetic But then yeah it was awful

And then Three hours go by Like literally we're walking back To our Airbnb 1130 a night 1130. And places closed down. There's nobody there.

We're walking by it. I'm like, yo, I kind of want to run it again. And Will and Taylor are like, yo, go hard. Like, do it. Like, now's your chance if you want to redeem yourself. I had to hop the fence. Got in that three-point stance and was out. Ran a four-seven.

Did it again. Ran a four-seven again. Mind you. Pants. Been standing all day. All day. No cleats. No warm up.

No. warm up like cold long day long ass day and i was able to redeem myself i went from the least athletic person on the bus after running the first one to i would like to say reclaiming my spot it's the most athletic but shout out beau free shout out to redeeming yourself and i am a dunker when it comes to yeah you dunked on us wait did you what did you run at your Pro day, Will. 4, 5, 6. Oh, okay.

Type shit. I would like to think, I would like to think if I were, like, training and shit, like I could get down. A 4-5? Yeah. That's what I ran a 4-5-6 in college. That is, and that is training.

All right, man. What's the hating for? He's quick. Yeah, no, I was impressed. I was impressed. by it. Say you're proud of it. But.

Well, come on now. Like, I'm, how old do you? 26? What do we? What do you?

What are you doing? I'm not trying to say anything. I was just kind of rolling my eyes at but the whole situation, like all of it. You guys, you guys turn it into something. You think you're running four or five?

I'm probably. Hand? Yeah. Oh, I'm trying to get out where you're like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I was impressed. I was impressed. I feel like there's a massive butt. No. No, but.

Here's just be happy for this. Here's what I would say to you. Future. Be more, figure out a way to be more confident in yourself about it because you were wearing it heavy after that five, three, seven. Well, yeah, because I'm like, I'm not that slow. Well,

and the Instagram comments were coming. Oh, I'm crazy. Ripping you. If you live, if you live by the cheers, you'll die by the booze, man. 100%. Well, how was he carrying himself?

You know, exactly the way Mitch does. It just took it like. But what did you do three hours? He said he took a personal. He took it personal, but like, he was pouting. He was pouting. He was pouting.

He was a little bit. He was pouting. And yes, did we pepper a little bit more? No doubt. But that's what bros do. I wasn't pouting. I was pissed. I was disappointed in myself.

And your body language show that you were disappointed yourself. I was like, come on, man. Like, just like that internal battle. Like, you're better than that. He cares. Listen, all the things. I'm proud of you. You came back.

You got punched in the mouth early in the day. You got punched in the mouth. Hard. There were people that the lights were on. There was a laser. fans everywhere to watch you run. A lot of people are busts with the boys fans were crowding around to see you run a

537. Nighttime no one's around. It's what you do when no one's around that defines your character. And you ran a 4-7. You ran a 4-7. I just said yes. Do you feel like Taylor's proud of you though, Mitch? Not really. I feel like this is kind of like a

backhanded compliment. What do you mean? Dude, you did good. I just said you did good. Yeah, but like there's just this connotation that like I feel it too. All right, all right. You know what? If everybody's feeling it, let me figure out a way to rewrite this. Mitch, you are very fast.

Great job. End statement. End statement. That was very fast. That was really good. I was impressed. The most impressive to me was standing around for five hours. You said three.

It was way more than three hours. Way more. It might have been eight. Yeah. It might have been eight hours for real because that was a number. early in the day and we didn't get done until 1130. Yeah. And then you took a challenge at 1130, didn't even stretch before, by the way, which is awesome for you, sickening in my head because I'm thinking if I did that, I'd break.

My shit would break. Yeah. So yes, very impressive, proud of you. Can we go to Sherman now? Do you feel good? All right. Hey, guys. My name is Sherman Young Jr.

Hey, Sherman. Hey, guys. My shout-out, Beau Free shout-out, is the boys having your back. There was a situation where it was late at night. After Mitch ran. After Mitch ran his 4-7. We were handing out some hats to some fans. One of the fans was a drunky boy, and he thought we were handing out Nebraska hats because he saw Wilcompton.

And so he slapped the hat out of my hand and yelled in my face, fuck Nebraska. Wow. And fuck you. And I have never seen a human react as fast as I saw Taylor LeWan come up to me and go, was he kidding? Was he kidding? Do I need to talk to him? What's going on?

And it was all in Taylor's face of like, he was like, I hated that. That guy disrespected you. I don't like that. And it's sick to see that from somebody. And then Mitch coming up to me later and being like, dude, I really want to apologize. I felt like I should have had your back more in that situation. I should have stepped up and I was like you have nothing to apologize about like it was totally fine but the fact that the boys are like swooping in like that that's a cool feel you don't know the old

taylor oh yeah no I lied that I lied that grace you handled that really well because that would have been a lot of conflict yeah I think everybody knew that this dude was just blacked out he was like one of three or four guys there and the other guys knew who we were and they were just fired up they're like hey can you get a pick and the dude was like who's this there's like oh man uh I was the first one. He was like, oh, Will Compton. He's like, who? And he's like, oh, he played in Nebraska.

I want to say he might have been an Iowa fan. Not the drunk guy, but the buddy that was wanting to get a photo. Yeah, yeah. And so everybody was really cool except for that dude. Yeah. And he's like, man, fuck Will Compton. Fuck Nebraska. I don't think you saw him slap the hats out of the room.

I saw it. I saw it. And I kind of just sat down like, this dude is so, you know, nine sheets into the wind. Yeah, he was like, I need one of his boys to kind of like help him out. Because this dude, like, he's at such a drunk phase where he's just wanting to cause chaos. Yeah, yeah. Because he was like, he was kind of like leaning sideways back and forward. He was all over the place.

And then I want to say, oh, he might have said like Michigan. Did he say fuck Michigan? Maybe. He was just saying fuck whatever it was. Yeah, he was just trying to egg you. Just one guy. This one guy was, yeah. Yeah, that's all that was.

I'm not swinging. Yeah. I was just like, you know, someone's got to say something like that guy. Yeah, back up. That was crazy. Yeah. I think I said something to this boys. I would have just check.

Get your guy and get him out of here. I'm like, I'm checking your pockets because. might get you in the alley later. Oh my God. Delay went back to Crenshaw. We would have to talk Delaney to L.A. Delaney likes that too. Delaney rides for his boys.

Yeah, rides. It was a cool feeling. It was a cool feeling. And then I don't want to speak for that guy. I feel like he's probably a dunker, the guy that slapped out of my hands. I'm a drizzler. Really?

Yeah. Well, I think it's more of like what the sauce is in. Because I got that honey packet, and I naturally just wanted to drizzle the honey packet, whereas if it came in a cup, I would dunk. That's smart. The way it comes in changes everything, because how are you going to dunk a packet? You can't. Can't dunk a back? Unless you're the cycle that pours it all out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like Tommy Boy. That's actually a good view of that. That's a good view of that. That's a good one. I like that. Thank you. Thank you.

In two, I just want to throw this out there. I think it also depends on the size of what you're holding. Like if you have a cup, especially like the smaller ones, the ones that are like this, and you got a fresh Cajun-Polet biscuit, hard to dunk right away. You might have to pour a little out,

but once you get bites to where you now have eggs, and now you can start scoping. That's good. Now you can start dunking and scooping. That's a tough way to answer that question, because you're correct. There's so many layers to the dunk and drizzle. Yeah.

Game within the game. Yeah. Yeah. While you're playing chess, man. All righty. Guess it's my turn. I am Delaney Walker. Hi, Delaney.

Hi, Delaney. Hi, everyone. My shout-out, Bo Free Shotout, is going to go to egg producers. And the reason why I say this, if you have never been in a chicken barn with 50,000 chickens, and you have to check every water line, every feed line. and get rid of they poop and pack those eggs. Dude, they go through a lot just to make sure everyone has eggs, healthy eggs, free range eggs. So shout out to them for doing all of that.

I got to see that last week. I got to see that two days ago, actually, a chicken farm being ran and what they go through in the life and day of a chicken farmer. And it ain't easy. So shout out to those guys that make sure, we have healthy eggs so we can feed our kids ourselves and yeah you know what I mean and then am I a dipper or a drizzler?

No, dunker, dunker, dunker, dunker. Well, the crazy part with me is I usually just pour the sauce onto the sandwich because then you get the variety of everything. Is that a drizzle? I guess you're a drizzler, yeah. You're just a different variety of jizzler. You're a subcategory of drizzler. Yeah, because I usually pour the ranch, the barbecue, all.

all together on a sandwich. So it's like, you remember that old commercial would be like, if it don't get all over the place, it don't belong in your face. That was not a commercial. That was a video you typed in a porn hub. The fuck is you. If it don't get all over your, what?

I know this was a commercial back in the day. I'm just not going to say the name because it don't matter what commercial it was. But it was for sure commercial. It was for sure commercial. All the fans busing tier ones tell them it was a commercial that remember. It was a commercial. It was a commercial.

It was a commercial. It's Red Hot type stuff. But we know you be on Porn Hub now. Thank you for letting us know that. Needs ID. Huh? You need ID to get on. Yeah.

You need ID now? Are you serious? And for the record, I'm not. Then how you know all of this? Actually. It's like somebody when they start giving you all the information about OnlyFans, be like, but I'm not on there. But how do you know?

Bro, I met a guy in Vegas that manages a bunch of Onlyfans people. And he was just telling me about the United Fans. business. I'm thinking, ah, this is crazy. Yeah, that's, that's wild. Yeah. Was he a dunker or a drizzler? I'll ask him next time I see him. He probably was a jizzler. I'm honestly, I'm not a fan of pouring the sauce on the sandwich. Really?

You don't like you get it all over to show? Because what I don't like about it is, I feel like it doesn't matter how much you put on there. It soaks into the bread, so you're not getting the experience tasting the sauce that you would like. Could not have said it better myself. That is awesome. Because I do,

I think you drizzle in the beginning if you have a massive Caj and Filet biscuit in your hand. You do drizzle the first one, but you're really taking a big enough bite to where you're kind of working off corners the rest of the time. Yeah. Because I am all about my sauce. Because even when you're eating, like even say I'm eating a burger

and I'm eating the burger and I'm at ketchup and mayo, I'll just in my head think like, I need more of this, what I'm tasting. And I thought I did a good enough job to where I'll just put ketchup and mayo and mix it together and just start dipping it. I will say sandwiches and burgers, they need to have a sauce already in there.

maybe do ketchup, mayo, mustard. But then after that, I need my extra sauce, whether it be ranch or extra ketchup or whatever, to dunk as well. I usually just get, like, I'm going to prefer to McDonald's, the mac sauce. I need extra mac sauce on everything. That shit goes fuck. That shit goes hard.

I can't do, I won't eat a burger without. You can actually buy, like, not the actual max sauce, but something similar, I put it on everything. I think it's Thousand Island, right? Is it? Something like that. Yeah, I think it is. It's got some other.

stuff in it though like relish right yeah i mean anytime i go to in-and-out burger did you get a couple extra uh sauces yeah yeah let me get it let me get a couple more of those sauces huh that's burger i was all right we got it too thank you for being uh vulnerable with the sunboffrey shout-h uh thank you thank you for being vulnerable oh yeah of course man you know i i like to be criticized on certain things you know yeah yeah it's how you communicate you're probably We criticize on the way you eat sandwiches. No, no. You don't think so?

No, no. I think a lot of people does it that. I do it that way. Fair enough. Fair enough. Even if they do anything. Who put that bitch? I mean, bro, you were fucking jacked.

I was just handsome, you know. That's just, that's handsome right there, boy. That arm was crazy. Hey, I have a question before we kind of wrap this thing up. There is a question that is storming Twitter currently. And I need everyone's perspective. And we've kind of discussed it in links, but not specifically this. 100 men versus one silverback gorilla.

Who wins? Gorilla. Wait, what is it? It is just a bare knuckle fight. Oh, bare knuckle. 100 grown men versus one full grown silverback gorilla. Damn, that's a tough one. I got a couple questions.

Yeah. How big are the people? How big are the men? We'll get your average, average guy, six foot. I mean, you know, you're sure. Or just your population kind of estimates. You got a couple guys y'all size. You got a couple of shapes and sizes.

All shapes and sizes. All shapes and sizes. Kyle bought in on my 100 boys. Because if there's 100 of me, look at the silverback. It's not up to anybody, I think, to give you. It truly comes down to the moment of the man. Like, you just take our crew and multiply it by whatever, 12, 13, 14. The main argument for the silverback gorilla is the first motherfucker going in there is getting his neck snapped.

So who is going to be willing to die? I think you just bum rush that motherfucker. So you think you're saying the hundred men would take down. Yeah, if we go all at the same time, we got to hit them at the same time. If we all hit them at the same time, I think we get them. Ain't no way in hell, bro. Gorillas taking down all hundred. I watched a video of two survivor girls fighting each other.

Ain't no way. Bro, there's no way, man. The strength of these, they can lift like two to four ton over their head. Their teeth are like. Think about, think of how just. tough their skin is everything and what dude like people can say yeah yeah if we all go in

but who's gonna be the one the several that's going out from the front and like you're gonna foe when you get to like people are gonna die are you willing to die to take down this gorilla and all 100 men have to be on that same page you see the way I'm saying hey yeah not joking around I'm ready to die out of bucket

no you get in this room and this gorilla walks out of the fucking gate the gate closes all right who's ready to step up and actually go attack this Okay, now I'm looking at it. If it's 100 Americans, guerrilla. If it's 100 goddamn Africans,

I'm talking Africans, that be in the goddamn jungle. I'm thinking them Africans is taking them down. They've done it. They have to. If them guerrillas come into it. They got to do it with like weapons. I mean, I'm talking.

There ain't no nothing in the room except you guys in the guerrillas. Yeah. That fear that's going to enter. If you were not on this bus and we said that. Said what? Africa. What does?

Yeah. Afrika You're gonna say Afrikaas Now if you say Contextually we cannot Like what's the pregame speech will look like? Like what's the pregame speech

The 100 guys You sit there You're probably You bet if we die We die speech Yeah yeah We die We die shit

At the end of day If you The way I view this is Like a colosseum-s thing Like you have a hundred guys walk in And it's either gonna be You or the gorilla And that fight or flight's gonna take over

And I think at that point You all have to band together And just But how can we hurt them No with our bare hands That's where I'm confused. Gouge his eyes. He may rip you off the face, though.

You get close to enough where he can grab you or bite you. Ah, fuck. Even if a hundred dudes try to like dog pile him, that's not doing anything. Yeah. I disagree. Man, look at this dude. There's going to be so much screaming. Look at these cats.

You're not lying. That first guy goes in there. You watch him get snapped into you're going, oh. That's what you all got to go on at one. That's what you're not. Even the first. But even when you're approaching him, Mono, one hundred.

Who the hell came up with that scenario? Bro, it was the guys versus guerrilla or bear versus guerrilla, I feel like it's a conversation that's been, it's as old as time. Yeah. I remember sitting in, when we were Washington, we talked about like 50 guys versus a gorilla because we're sitting there like, it's like me, Trent Williams, several people talking about it. And it's legitimately like there's no way in hell. You can take a hundred Trent Williams. Like you ain't taking down the gorilla, bro. And they called Trent Silver bag.

Yeah. I think a bear takes a gorilla though. Yeah, I mean a bear. A good one. He'll be a good fight because I've done seeing bears getting crack. The game card. He told me the claws on a bear, 100 on one. So you think in the Coliseum, they probably had that fight before.

Back in the Coliseum, back in the day, a gorilla and a bear. I'm assuming they had that fight. You would think so. You would think so. I mean, they were, like, famous for bringing exog animals from all of the world. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I'm taking the people, though.

I'm thinking the people, 100 people. I'm going to probably take the gorilla. day on that one. It's just, it's hard to see it happen. I'd lean gorilla for sure. Oh, think about exhaustion. Think about, I just think. You just seen that gorilla. It's a good fight. What about a hundred jade beam?

Gorilla. And it's not close. You take a hundred tail of ones? Like, watch this man walk up to these guerrilla. These Africans, they're not scared of the guerrillas. Like, everybody, they walk right up. These Africans, the whitest lady ever? No, it's an African leading a pack. She just, he, he,

telling her stay back you are so far you can film right here you can film right here but don't get close they smell your ass it's over for you i mean look at them fighting they're not even worrying about the people who just looking at their ass yeah i took a hundred will copped it i wouldn't i think a hundred delany walk because i know in my head like if we're all in that room the the the fighter flight the fear like it's like all right which which one of us motherfuckers is going and all we all staying together i don't think you they big you they big you one they start dragging people shit limbs are getting broken

yelling's happening tossing you it gets a little lighter tossing you with a hundred guys everybody's kind of getting exhausted trying to get to the grill and it's like fuck

hey he's taking us out quick Bing Bing Bing I'm gonna just lay down I don't think he's Bing Bing Bing bang I think it's overwhelmed and I think a hundred bodies on top

you're gonna get that gorilla down You're gonna have them Are we choking them bro you get you get him a circle You circle that motherfucker And he doesn't He's ha ha

looking around In all different directions And then right there, I'm on his back. Now, another guy's on us back. Someone's grabbing a leg. Arm, arm, gouging eyes. We're gouged eyes. It's going to be casualties, though.

Just cranking on that. It's going to be some casualties, though, for sure. You were kidding. Yeah, you're, but I think, I think it's actually a lot easier than you think. I mean, I'm biting him. You got to play his rules. You got to play his rules. Yeah, you got to bite his ass.

You got to play his rules, man. You're, you're fucking, you're shoving a fist up his out. You're doing whatever you got to fucking do to take this guy out. No, it's true. You're fish shook in that lip. He's trying to bite. I'm biting him too. Shit, I'm going to bite this.

And then you got a couple of guys. Just get that esophagus. You fucking shut the fuck up. Go to sleep. Shut the fuck up. You know? You're going to win. They say 300 to 45, 300, 350 pounds to 40.

Oh, my God. They can lift over, they can lift 4,500 pounds over his head. Yeah, they can live 10 times over their body weight. Talking about balance. We're talking about strategy. The brain, dude. We're talking about brain strategy. I mean, this my fuck is lifting up cars and shit.

You get him around. You go 25, 25, 25, 25, right? Come back to guys. Ha ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Get him going. Get him to come over here. And then all of a sudden, they get quiet, 25 more.

Now he's getting tired. You're right. He's breathing hard. It's a strategy. You're not just going in there, like, who's fucking, see what happens. Like, you're going after this motherfucker.

The humans may win. No, he's right. The humans may win if you come in with a strategy. I don't give a fuck about his teeth, bro. I'm telling me. You think the gorilla is going to go. That's a scare tactic. And then keep looking around.

know he's going to go after somebody. You got a hundred. But a hundred men. We can run. Yeah. It ain't no rules. You can run. You can run.

Tire him out. Run from him. Right. Come. Keep on gathering them. Run. Every time he chase one, run. He's going to stop. You gather him in again until he's tired.

Right. I believe the strategy. We're talking about hours. We're talking about hours. You didn't say how long the fight was. And guess what? I've already evolved from the beginning thought process that I thought we're going to win. Yeah.

Now we're running after me. Will's grabbing his legs. Yeah. Fucking widow. He'll get him in his ass. and then all of a sudden, Delaney's in the corner. He just swings the arm. He's killing four guys.

What do you think is attached to his elbow? Like, this is going to hurt, but like he's not killing. He's not going like this and people are dead. He ain't the fucking crazy. It's not the movie. We literally just think. He's just going to swing the shit. The golden dut and James Bond.

He was talking about like Godzilla and King Kong when he got the fucking arm and shit. You're getting this guy so exhausted at some point. You're just fucking body shot in this motherfucker, dude. You're fine. You're putting him in there. He got, he got, remember he's,

he almost like, I just doing nothing of that. I'm gonna be the runner. Let me, I'll tell you this. I was just trying to imitate the gorilla. A second ago in this room, in the shop.

In the shop? In this shop. Nah, fuck that. Now you're putting doors and fucking walls up. Yeah, I don't like that.

Well, you want open field? I want open field. You're just saying, no, no, no, he'll run away. He won't run away.

We got to gather them in. You're just hunting. Put him in Nissan Stadium. Put him in Nissan Stadium, lock the gates and they put like a tent net over. Yeah, yeah, that's different.

Now I got, I got movement. I got, in here it's too small. He gets us and dragging us in here. This is a whole different ball game. Yeah, yeah,

you're gonna tie him out. To the point where he's gonna go fight or flight. There's a lot of these motherfuckers out here. I'm getting a little tired. Yeah. I got to back up a little bit. He goes to go up the net. Hey,

buddy, you stay up there as long as you want. Guess what? I got my boys calling up. Yeah, he's coming up next one. He's freaking out, trying to bite. Sorry,

Guess what? He just fell 30 feet. Now get, got a rib. That one's broken. I guess we're... He was a net on top. Yeah, he climbed the net. You got to follow the story, Gene. Now we're fucking...

We know we're... Because he's grabbing a little bit. He's grabbing a little bit with that fucking rib. Right? He's grabbing that fucking rib a little bit so we know, oh, okay. He's just breaking their wrist on the grill. Oh, okay. He's got...

Do you think he's like fucking Kung Fu Panda over here, the Skadoosh? Yeah. This motherfucker acting like this gorilla just going to go out of here and just look at us and go, and we're gonna die. He's just gonna snatch you. If guys are running, pods are just getting murder and killed. Hey, new game, new game.

Buddy system. Teams of four, right? One of our boys he grabbed. We got three of them on that motherfucker. And he's already got the crack. There ain't no three going in. I'm telling you. Look at the PSIs of his bite.

He is literally only 400 PSIs under a shark bite. Which a shark could bite you in half, bro. Over, bro. How many times do you ever seen a shark bite somebody have? They got to do this. That's time You're gonna do that You're doing that

Bro That is time I'm telling you And this dude Y'all's talking about Hey Tate they're gonna bite the grill All the veneers are gonna rip out Yeah

I'd be a bad example That's a bad example That's a good moment Also just computed that Because my human brain This dude's got what 1,400 to 1400 per square inch A bite

That's called maximum Maximal velocity Think about maxing out reps bro. He's got three or four hard bites like that. You're right. I had three or four motherfuckers grabbing wrong. Delaney, you're right. Three or four.

So now I got 97, 96 dudes. He's ran out of gas in the jaw category. Guess what? One of his weapons are now gone. Yeah. And that's going to take a lot of fucking velocity. We've got them. It's not close.

I would even almost take 75. I'm telling you. I want the extra. I'm strategic, bro. Did I not just paint a picture for you guys to think, yeah, they actually got a shot? Yeah, and we all were shaking her head. Pretty bloody.

Yeah. It was, no doubt. We're going to have casualties. That's life, boys. Bam, bam, bam,

that is life. Yeah, but you get them. Like, if you walk in, hey, where are we going? And like, I'll just come with us

real quick. We gotta take you somewhere. What's this tunnel about? I just keep going out there. Hey, what's that noise? Don't worry about it. You walk through. They close the gate.

There's a hundred of us. Hey, you have 25 minutes of grills coming in here. You guys got to beat that grill. I'm going to kill all of you guys. I guarantee 20, 100 motherfuckers are getting there. And they're stationed.

Shaking. Wondering like, okay, who's actually going to be the first one to go? And then you know what I'd say? I'd get up there and be like, boy, some of you're going to die. That is what, if we die, we fucking die. My, what I would say to you, get the first hit out of the way.

Because, yeah, you're going to be nervous. I'm nervous. I'm nervous. I mean, that kind of makes sense. They say it's impossible for us to win without tools. I mean, I'm probably not. They say it's impossible for us to win without tools, using tools or weapons.

Oh, what this dude just made a Kevlar? Is this, uh, chat GPT? Yeah. But is he a bomb shelter growing? I mean, they got tough skin, though. You got to remember that, like, they skin is extra fucking tough. Who wrote this?

Chad GBT. They don't know shit, dude. They're still working through the kinks of chat GBT. It's so new. You can't give a chat GBT, a hypothetical, bro. You ask you for facts. I'm taking 100.

Damn, who said that? Shirm did. Oh, okay. I was... I'm sorry if my response did not make your expectation. You don't know shit. Or approach you'd like to be to take? Should we get to the floor?

No, no, no, no, no. Type this in, Sherm. How do the 100 people beat the gorilla with no tools? Yeah, see what he say. He said, GVT says that. It's going to give us some type of information. They got to always have some. Ah, got it.

Over one with numbers. We already did that. Divide the guerrillas forces. Yeah. Yeah. Just use a group, psychology. Just be mean to him. You gotta insult this gorilla.

Target the weak spots. Right. That's what we're talking about the rib shot he took. We fell 30 feet from the net. Exploiting girlas natural limitations. Right? He's going to get tired. He's going to get tired. Final thoughts. Yeah, but we can't believe chat. Was still heavily favored the gorilla. I don't like that. Yeah.

Yeah. However, this kind of fight would still heavily favor the gorilla. The humans were able to keep the gorilla distracted, work in sync and use their numbers to exploit the real those weaknesses, they might have a chance. They say they have a slim chance of winning. Still, fuck, I'm not reading more of that.

You know what I heard? You don't go through my head right now? So you're saying there's a chance. Yeah, yeah, it's a chance. I'm taking me and my boys any day of the week. Maybe I'm more of like a foreman, like a general. Like I'll be behind the net. That is what you guys should do.

There's a hundred of y'all. You guys should really, 100 and one supporting. A hundred and one supporting. You're the king sitting on the hill like, we're going to win this war. Sir, we have to pull back. No. No.

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You can't memorize that? I probably can. But when it's just sitting there, it's like, might as well. read well thank you he really got your education yeah yeah what's the end stand for knowledge that's right that's why we get it done there you know they say the same thing about northern michigan university really stands for knowledge yeah there you go everybody everybody just trying to copy the oscars yeah it's a copycat league yeah it's a copycat league it was funny when you were uh when we were talking about the having my hand and everything when i was in oakland or

Vegas, my linebacker coach, like every game, I'm like dapping somebody up from the other team, like on the side during three game war-ups. And he's always like, I feel like you could just be the mayor. I feel like you know somebody everywhere we go to. Yeah. And we'd have a nice little laugh about it. But I did feel like once I got to the back end, like it was, I was more just having the greatest time I possibly could. Yeah. I mean, you, you were afforded the availability to be playing at the highest level you can in the sport you love the most while also not caring. And I think that is. Yeah. No, he cared.

He cared. Yeah, he cares so much. This guy had the greatest punt sets I've ever seen. That's what we need. He needs to hear that. Brave has always coached me different. Like, you know, there's some different things fundamentally that if I was, if I was a special team's coach. He just lacked a little length.

Lacked a little length. Yes. And Vraib was, it was always about the punch. And for my length in my arms, like, I needed the guy to being a little tighter so I could finesse him a little bit. Because if I'm just trying to release, most guys are going to run. run with me downfield. So I need them to kind of be in my body versus shocking them because usually I got the T-Rex arms.

When they're like, use link. So you got a T-Rex arm. You're not a great quality in a player. Not a great quality. That's something that we always look at, that arm link. Ray wouldn't even let me on punt return. I've talked about it before, but I couldn't even like be on punt return because they just talked about my arm lengths.

Is it? Yeah. Is it that important? No, bro. That's like, it's like, you know, getting them at the line. a scrimmage. We do those one-on-one. I'm with you.

Remember when we do those one-on-ones in front of all the... Getting murdered by Keith Carter. But I'm saying at training camp when Brae would shut it down and you do the one-on-ones like in front of everybody. Do you do that with Green Bay? No. It's not something you do with Green Bay. No.

I love that. I just feel like it got the blood flow going like, fuck, you got to kind of... The stress of having the team watch you do a one-on-one. I don't think you could replicate that in any other scenario other than war. So you're saying we should do that a little bit more this year. I think it's good for... competitive juices. Okay.

That's good to know. I do. But if you're a young guy and you know you're about to be called up. Yeah. Usually the like, yeah. You're position. Yeah. Some of the bets.

But yeah, certainly. You might come up to the rush around. Yeah. You might respond. Because usually you do one-on-ones, but you're always broken up where it's stations. But when it's like the head coach calls it up and you're, he's calling out different guys, you're sitting there in line being like, yo, is he about to call my number.

And you just got that little bit of anxiety. A little bit. It's a lot of it. Yeah. It is a lot. But I think. I think the reason why you had the relationships with everybody is your time with the Redskins. And that's where you come into play.

That's where the nucleus of the entire league is right now. It's incredible. It is incredible. So everywhere was there. He was there. We got fired. That is, how did it not work out there with that many brains? Well, I think it just goes to show you the power of the player.

I mean, this is a, this is. Oh, you put the mic up a little. No. The power of the player. Yeah. You know, you got to have great players in order to have success. success in this league. And not to say that we didn't, I just, for whatever reason, it didn't come together. You know, we had the one good year in 2012, where we won our division and lost to Seattle in the

playoffs, Robert Tours ACL. And the next year was a complete disaster. I think we went three and 13. Yeah, that was three and 13. We remember we got just smashed by the Kansas City Chiefs. Oh, yeah. And there was a, that's when I knew it was all over. That's what that game. Who is it, Coach Burns? You guys were done after that? Oh, yeah. God.

And you didn't get retained by the group. I did not. Got you. No. Because a few of them did. Yes. Yeah. Sean did.

Yeah. Sean, Rahim. There's a couple guys. That's right. That's right. But not many. Yeah, not many survivors. No.

That's kind of the way of our, you know, it's a way of our profession. Yeah. How does, like, does that ever eat at you a little bit? Like knowing that the NFL stands for not for long? And you're just now I do think it over. I just think that if you're smart about it, it just ups your urgency level. You know,

you got to be urgent in everything we do. And you can't take it for granted. Even when you feel like you have a good team, like to me, that's when you have to push even more. So you can't let anybody kind of get complacent or rest. So yeah. But that's it,

but it's the beauty of our league too. the competitiveness. I don't think the hell is that. That was right above your head too. What do we got up there, guys? I don't know. We got like rats or something up there.

What kind of place are we renting here? I don't know. You know, Josh Jacobs stayed here when he first got here. I know, that's what I was telling me. He texted when he saw a video of ours plus last says like this is by to run out every time I go to the Wisconsin. Well, I mean, shoot, it's nice and convenient. Lambeaus across the street.

That is, it is, it's an interesting setup here for sure. It's a cool town. It's like, no. knowing that you just kind of like drive in this small town, then out of nowhere, Lambeau Field just pops out. Yeah. It's kind of the center of it all. Yeah, it is like, this town revolves around the fall and then preparing for the fall.

Like all the other seasons is like, I can't wait for August to get here. It's got to be nice for a head coach knowing that there's not as many distractions. There's zero distractions. So like if you can't get the most out of somebody here, I don't think you can do it anywhere. I love it personally because we don't have a lot of issues with our players and our guys can focus on football. I know even for me, and I think our coaches, you can say the same thing for. I mean, you focus on your job and your family. Yeah.

Well, Josh is telling us about your schedule. You've got to love schedule. Wednesday is getting done at like 3 o'clock. Is it that early? That's what he says. Put it like this. He was giving you a lot of praise. He said if there's one thing, he understands the efficiency.

The efficiency of time. Well, that's the only thing in life you can never get back is time, right? So I try to make it just expedite it as best we can. And I don't want to drag the days out. I want our guys to get in, get their work in, and then get out, go recovery, do what you've got to do. But there is an expectation. I expect these guys when they go home that they're not just shutting it off. However, you've got to prepare to get yourself to get ready for the next day, that's the expectation.

So you do put a lot of onus on the players. If you were in a spot like L.A. or Las Vegas, do you think you'd make the days a little bit longer because of all the distractions? Probably. If I'm being honest. Yeah. Probably.

What are they going to do? Go to Buffalo Wild Wings, have a couple of drinks. Like, maybe. Shut out B-Dubs. Shout out B-Dubs. We had it last night. It's fantastic. So B-dubs is open right now.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. B-DX is open right now. You've been around a lot of amazing coaches. Which coach do you feel like you've gotten the most from? As far as like your frameworks, protocols. Yeah.

There's been too many good ones, you know, from, from Mike Shanahan, just the attention to detail. And I mean, that guy could, his focus was on another level. To Kyle, just, he's never happy with anything. But I think that makes you better at what you do. I mean, there's, you always feel that, that urgency, that pressure to, and you better think things through before you bring him an idea. otherwise you're probably going to get your face ripped off. To Sean, Sean was great with accountability. Dan Quinn, just kind of like our culture and in our environment.

A lot was shaped from just being around him and making it a place where people enjoy going to work. And so I think you take something from everybody. Vrable was good to, I mean, he's going to put the most on the best players. on the team and you guys know that and he's going to demand the most out of the best and um so i think you learn from from everybody i want to get i want to i want you to tell the story of the locker room at halftime with taylor in variable yeah this is against the jets right i think it was the jets game they tried to bench quitting spain and i was so mad because spain was

hurt or might have been hurt or thinking about being hurt he had something to going on, but there was no other guard. And I was obviously, Spain at least, at the very least trusted me. And I could trust Spain to do the things I needed him to do. So Keith went to Rapelle and was like, we got to get Spain out of here. He's not playing well, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I went in and I think I called Keith Carter a tattletail, which if looking back, I would have used different verbiage.

But I walked in, I was like, you're a fucking tattletail. And there's no way to say tattletail in a cool way. And he's like, what did you say? And I remember Mike Sullivan like pulled me out. And then, yeah, Brave came in. And I was like, if Spain's not playing, I'm not playing, I'm not playing. He's like, then you're not playing. He's like, then you're not playing.

And then we got into it. Yeah, you guys to nose. And I remember I stepped in the middle. I'm like, guys, guys. And I got a shut the fuck up, Matt. And I said, yes, sir. And I just went back at the board. Got out of there.

I just got. I mean, I was, I mean, look at me compared to the size of these two guys. Are you kidding? Guys, guys. Shut the fuck up, man. The funny thing is they end up putting Ben in at guard. And I don't think of her passed off games better than my entire life with somebody. Like, Ben was incredible at guard.

I can't even remember the detail of that or why you guys were going nose and nose. But I do remember we won the game in overtime. Yeah. Or right before overtime. Yeah, because we were getting our ass kicked in that game. We won at the end of the game. Yeah, I started off that game with like a penalty, I think, in the first series. Like got mowed over one time.

it was like a bad start to the game and then we started to catch a little groove. Yeah. But it was, it was just turbulent times. Obviously, I don't like, I didn't like, I wasn't a fan of Keith. And there was just like a bunch of other things. I love Keith.

You like Keith? I do. I love that for you guys, man. I don't, yeah, I don't want to sit here and just, like, be, like, demonstrative about Keith because I'm sure he does have good qualities off the field, no doubt about it. But your time in Tennessee,

like, are you running the same offense as you did in Tennessee? No, I'd say it's, I mean, you're ever evolving, right? Yeah, but you're still in like quattro. Absolutely. The core principles stay the same. A lot of the techniques and fundamentals that we coach are very similar. I think the philosophy around, you know, your offensive game plan of trying to marry up plays,

trying to have the passing game be an extension of the run game and vice versa. I think all that has stayed the same, but certainly you've got to adapt to your personnel. number one and i always try to try to see the game through the eyes of the quarterback and try to figure out what he does well along with the other 10 men around them um so that's how you you you you try to implement your system do you remember that first o t a in 2018 oh yeah how of a shit show it was yeah i remember we got our ass kicked uh we had a bad practice and it was doomsday around the building and i was like oh my god i hope we never lose a game Because we went

Yeah Just speaking from an office line perspective We were running like only gap scheme And only inside zone So there was no like running off the ball techniques You guys came in and started implementing these techniques That I've never done before Sure. A lot of guys had never done before

So I remember the first day like Oh hey we're gonna run 19 Wanda I'm going towards the outside shoulder of the defensive end And Brian O'Ripo just goes right inside immediately Because I sprint And he goes right inside immediately It's a TFL I'm thinking of myself This is terrible

I hate this. And it ended up being, by the end of OTIS, I was like, this is the greatest offensive scheme ever. Well, good. I'm glad you came around. No, yeah. Dude, because it really became like my, obviously I, like, even at Michigan. It plays to your strengths because you're super athletic. Yeah.

And then once like, once you figure out the ankles. Then the guy sitting next to you. Damn. Just a unnecessary. I'm just saying. Just a, he's sensible. He's well. You do look great.

You look great. I know. You look great in that 51. in the green and gold. My one does go hard. Thank you. Just hurry up and get some positivity. Yeah.

But I love that offense. I love it. Wanda, all of it. Yeah. The sprinting off the ball, the cutoffs, like, it became my favorite thing. But everything has to tie in together. The back's path with the O line, the quarterback, everybody has a responsibility.

You know, we're going to demand that the wide receivers block. And I think that's one thing that I'm really proud of them with our group is they're going to go battle. They're going to fight their ass off on every play. And I don't think you see that, you know, from every team around the league. Can you, when you talk to when we were talking to Josh last night, he also brought up a conversation he had with Malik Willis. But it seems like a constant when you talk to your players is you know how to teach the game.

How did that start to develop for you in when you are like delivering the ins and outs of a play? Because I feel like every player talks about how well you coach. the game and teach like the game within the game to where the guys understand it because malique willis like what was that early in the season week three or four he just showed up and you guys pulling off an upset well you guys got him we start he started week two versus indy and he had been here i think 19 days yeah to that point before he started a game and now it was a we we didn't try to put too much on his plate i mean you can't when a guy's been here for three

weeks and um so we leaned on our run game heavily and we had a great The first half was we were killing it, rushing the football. We had over 200 yards rushing the first half, but kind of slowed down after that quite a bit. But he made some big-time plays late in the game that allowed us to win that game. And then the next week, it was the Malik Willis Revenge Tour going down to Tennessee. And, you know. I bet so much money on the Titans that game.

Did you? Yeah, I did because I felt pretty confident going into that game. Did you really? I did. See, Malik, like I had the chance to play with it. with Malik for a little bit. Sure. And the thing that I noticed was like he just wasn't grasping the playbook.

And so he would do the wrong cans or, you know, he wouldn't understand like when the safety's move. That's when you have to go the opposite way, all these different things. What year was that though for Malibu? This is his rookie year. Yeah. Yeah. But it was very.

Give the guy some grace, man. But you just go off of what you know, right? So I was like, oh, if this kid's coming in, he busted. I mean, they ran the ball a lot against Indie. This game, they have a whole, they have all this film on him now or at least one week of film. Like, this is where it ends. And I thought the Titans would get going at some point. And they never got going.

That picked six by Jay or certainly helped our cause. But I remember the first play of the game, you know, just knowing that we ran the ball 40 some odd times versus Indy that everybody was going to be geared up for a run. So we faked a little toss and hit Jay Reid out the back side for like a 30 yard game. It was great. Just how you draw it up. Yeah. His little smile. Yeah.

He's talking about it. How is that the first 15? Like how much, how often do coaches overthink the first 15 plays of the game? Well, I know for myself, that first 15 is really grown. So it's really like a first 25. Now, you never just rip it off. But what it does is, so for myself, I do this on Friday evening. Friday is actually a long day.

for me to kind of like really think about the plays that I absolutely want to get called. And then I get them to our players on Saturday. And I think it gives them an idea of, okay, I better be on point with these 25 plays that have a pretty good chance. At some point in the game, these plays are going to get called. So it really, it takes the game plan and kind of shrinks it a little bit. And I think what we felt it's been beneficial for our players. with that process are you looking at these 25 and is in your mind is are these in order like in a perfect world where you're playing the most you're calling the perfect game the guys are doing exactly what you want them to do is that one two three four five six all over down 25 like in order in your life yeah i don't think it rarely goes like that to be honest with you because the first 15 or 25 or however many somebody does those are really just non-situational plays those are normal ball that's first down first and 10 that's second and medium to second and short.

It's never really third down calls. It's not the red zone. It's not backed up. So you get a whole separate area for those types of plays. But yeah, I would say if you're just ripping them off the top, you're staying on schedule and you're doing pretty well. How much is it a chess match during a game when you're calling?

Like how like essentially the game to me is like the, OC versus the DC, right? And then you have all your pawns on the chessboard playing. Like how much is it? You're seeing what they're doing. You're reacting. They're reacting to you. And it's like a back and forth.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of that. But at the same time, it's, you know, if I got a guy that's better than your guy, there's a good chance no matter what I call. That play's going to work. That's a fair point. And you know, you know he's got the, you know he's thinking it's a chest match the entire time. Like you look at his bald fate he's got going on. He knows. Camera's going to be on.

He's going to be checking the scoreboard. Let me see your ball fade. Okay. A little sound money. Yeah. I need to get some product in the money. Yeah. A little drip happen.

Little hat head. Little hathead. Little hathead. Have you showered today? Last night. Okay. Last night. Long time today yesterday.

Well, there's been a lot of conversations about this bus about showering lately. There's a. Are you somebody who has to shower every time you travel at the end of the day? more than likely yes he says more than likely more than likely he says more than likely

so last week we were at we're at Michigan where were you at Michigan and harbor oh okay we're at the college for spring ball that's right watching the boys yeah we had a workout did he do any one-on-ones he kind of bowed out

no you kind of bowed out I may or may not have seen a one-on-one rep at the University of Oregon. Can you break that down if you're a coach scouting that? There is nothing to break down. Well, I mean, other than his ankles, he definitely got his ankles, bro. Knees. Knees and ankles.

See, the problem for me was just like, at the very least, make a reaction, like guess. Even if you guess wrong. Well, we talked about this. He told me. He knew he was going to take away the inside. You could have this conversation? Yeah. When we were setting up the interview, he was like, hey, I saw that one-on-one rep.

we were laughing about it he's like why don't you just guess to the inside I was like I'm telling you bro that's what I was telling the boys right before I'm like the cameras are gonna be on I'm talking to JP saying there I'm like cameras are going to be on this kid's gonna want to cross my face

he's gonna want to be on the big play is right come on man the body just didn't react didn't react it didn't have folded the frowned with him like almost I'd be grabbing him just a little bit and already reacting verbally

no it's so tough But it is That made me laugh though You did I'm glad I gave you some entertainment It was a lot

It was very entertaining When we were sitting in the locker room before He did that one-on-one I really thought like Will's gonna get him Will is gonna I started to believe it When he was putting the pads on

I'm sure he was He's turning black I was thinking I'm dropping quotes I'm sniffing the smelling salts We had like sick smelling salts In a bottle of water We're just like pumping it

I'm doing it too. Yeah. I want to be a part of the vibe. He's yelling at some security guard. Make your hard turn black. And the guy's like, what the fuck is going on? We find the lab in the children in bed.

He runs out. I'm like, this he's about to show that he still got it. Bro, I'm telling you. That was a very humbly moment, huh? Yeah, yeah.

I thought I was going to take the young buck. And I was like, man, he's telling Coach Lanting out, I was like, I hate the end your running back's career right here. Like, he can't get beat by this 35-year-old.

Missouri on Missouri, too. Yeah. God, know when it's over. When you, when you look at yourself in the mirror and be like,

once upon a time, I could do X, Y, and Z, but now I can't. Yeah. What was that like for you? Omaha beef, right? Okay, here we go.

Everybody loves to bring up the Omaha beef. You gave the Outlaws. Like, you were going. He tagged my athleticism. Let's talk about when yours ended. Well, I'm like the line from Rudy.

I'm five foot nothing, 100 nothing. So I just, I didn't have the same opportunities, I don't think. All right. So you're blaming on measurables. I'm just saying that genetics. You're blaming God.

I'm blaming my mom. My mom's 5'4 2. Yeah. Massachusetts type of guy like you're in Target and some guy comes out to you as man, if I was your high, I'd be a pro NBA player. Yeah. You know, he says it to everybody at practice. He's probably thinking to himself, man, if I was just,

you know, when I was getting recruited in college, everybody would tell me that. If you were 6-2, everybody in the country would be recruiting you. And I'm like, well, I'm not. So you were you a beast in high school? Like were you like that? I was not a beast. I was a student at the game. I was,

I would say I was a good high school player. I mean, I was good enough to play in Division II football. I walked on at Western Michigan and realized that it was going to be a lot of years sitting there before. And if that day would ever come to to get on the field, I actually was playing receiver at Western. We had, when I was leaving,

Greg Jennings was coming in. So I would have, I would have probably. And then what was the experience like, you said people bring up the Omaha beef? Like, you want the Omaha beef? I was on Dan Patrick yesterday. He brought it up. Oh, did he really?

Yeah. That's funny. I just hit the wiki. How long did you get? Omaha beef. Like, what is it? How long did you play there? I mean, honestly, it was, so I was a grad assistant at Central Michigan.

And I can't believe they actually let me leave. Like in today's world, that never would have happened. But I got a phone call saying, hey, you want to come play for the summer. for this indoor football team in Omaha. And I was like, all right, I'll check. Receiver? No, I was a quarterback. Okay.

So you obviously haven't done your research on me, Will. Yeah, that's all right. We get to learn. Curiosity. Yeah. It's a good pod. So I played quarterback. When I transferred from Western to Sagina Valley,

I ended up playing quarterback for three years there. But so I go to Omaha and, you know, I really, I wouldn't even the starter there. I just had gone into a couple games and did. did pretty well. And that's, I only played in a couple games there, though. So it was a very short. The next year, the Billings Outlaws called. And I went out there and this was insane.

So I went to a team who the starting quarterback was also the play caller. Well, he tore his ACL. So he couldn't play. And he had played in a game against me the year before. And I did pretty well in it and wanted me to come out. the team I went to was undefeated. And I get there and I throw four picks and I thought I was going to get my ass kicked after the game.

Everybody's looking at me. I'd been there like for two days and I thought these guys were going to fuck me up. So it was a pretty intense deal. And the next week, ironically enough, we went and played in Omaha and ended up winning like the NIFL player of the week. No shit. LaFleurie reviews, man. Yeah, I mean, so.

But why were the, why was there for four weeks? And I was like, I got to get out of here. It was just kind of a renegade league. There were, there were some talented guys in that league. But there was a lot of reasons they didn't play in probably the biggest of stages. Yeah. I mean, in Nashville, there's this team called the Nashville Cats. And they're just at Lipscomb right now, training.

Yeah. And I see like these offensive linemen that have like gray in their hair. I'm thinking, what are you all chasing? Yeah. Like you're. Well, I did. I did it for two summers and I was like, all right, I'm full-time coach. Yeah.

Why is everybody taking it so serious to where they wanted to whoop your ass when you were just there two days? Like, how much are you guys getting paid? Oh, like, I think I got $500. It was like $250 plus a $250 win. You know he's not getting rehab. In Santer's, yeah. You know the quarterback, he just tore his ACL and he just has a torn ACL with this. He's got like a brace of a sideline with a sheet.

You know, I was just hanging on to the dream. Hanging on to the dream. Yeah. You obviously just hearing you grew up your entire life loving football. Yeah, my dad was a coach at Central Michigan University. And so I've been around the game my whole life. And my grandfather, my mom's dad was a high school coach. So just grew up around football and just loved it.

It was all about it. All about it. And so when you're at like the Billings Outlaws and you're like kind of bouncing around like you're Saginaw, you get fired from Washington. and then you had a point where you were at the Falcons, right, quarterback coach, and then you went to Notre Dame for a year. Well, so we get fired from Washington, and I'll, I mean, you talk about the loneliest time of your life when you have no idea what you're going to do next.

And I've got two young kids and my wife. But I had, I worked for Brian Kelly at Central Michigan University and it was lucky and fortunate enough to go there. So I spent the 14th season at Notre Dame. And then Kyle, in the meantime, was going to go with Dan Quinn to Atlanta. And he called me up. And he was leaving Cleveland in that debacle that he had there. My brother was actually working for him. And he called me up.

And he's like, hey, I want you to come to Atlanta. I was like, dude, I got a great job. I was like, my brother's out of a job because you guys are leaving Cleveland. And I said, I'm not taking that job if he can't get a job. And he goes, I'm going to get you both. So what a cool opportunity for me to go work with my brother in Atlanta. And the first year was a little rough because Kyle's pretty hard on his coaches in a good way because I think it prepares you and it brings out the best in you.

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group shot, like these coaches that you've grown and they're all in their own head coaching roles or the coordinator roles. Like after a game, when you get one on Shanahan, McVeigh, your brother, there has to be some type of communication, right? Uh, there is. I would say, you know, maybe just. My brother is a guy that I'm going to talk to after every game, win or lose. But there's some games when, like, Like, when you lose a game, it's a pretty miserable feeling, as you guys both know, because what people don't, I don't think really can understand is how much time and effort and energy go into a three-hour window.

And like, all your work is on display. And no matter how you prepared that week, whether you had the best week of preparation or the worst, all they care about is the outcome. So I think, like, it's emotional, right? when you lose a game, you're, you're pissed off because you put so much time into it. So there's some games when we lose. I don't want to talk to anybody. And I don't.

Has anyone like throwing you a little, just a nice little condescending jab? No. Like having fun, like, yeah, you thought. Like, he just, he goes in, he goes in L.A. beats McVeigh, and he just shoots McVeigh a message. No, no. They know they're on the bus afterwards. Yeah, you thought. Great to see you.

Yeah. Hey, you said this in the press this week? Right. How'd that work out? Maybe next time, go give me the bulletin board material. There's none of that. You never had an exchange like that with anybody close to you in the circle? You might have some of those conversations amongst your staff, but not.

None with the competitive. I don't think so. That's kind of Bush League. What's it like for you? If I was a head coach and I beat you, I feel like I'd throw you something. Yeah. Like maybe shoot you the eyes emoji. Yeah.

Hey, not bad, huh? That's what almost led to the, from what I heard, the hardball Schwartz. Remember that interaction? Yeah, the handshake and the slap on the back. That's right. Jim, right? Yeah. Remember when Schwartz ran them down?

Have you had an aggressive exchange post game with the coach? I wouldn't say aggressive, but there's been some, I would say, contentious moments where you know. You want to say names? no or pregame with a band yeah he goes out to the fans that was a bad deal

the pregame with a fan was a bad deal yeah what what happened there I mean that was a pretty that was going around the internet yeah I would imagine it was coach Laferge is getting after this fan

well so this guy was walking you know like usually there's some healthy banner sometimes with some of those guys that are holding the flag getting ready for the national anthem and I mean this guy's like throat slashing our

players and I could see a bunch of our players getting worked up and and I'm like what that this guy's in our space it's different when it's coming from the stands right and got you expect that people are going to talk you're you're in enemy territory you know they're going to talk trashed you you don't even hear that noise it's just noise but when you're in our space on our field and you're doing this in front of our guys and riling them up I got a problem with that so I I said something that something he said something back and I was like is this really happening right now as we're walking towards each other so it was just one of those are you thinking at any point I might have to swing I didn't know what was going to happen to be honest yeah but I got to give the officials a lot of

credit one of the officials came in and just kind of side-checked the guy pretty pretty good I was pretty impressed but it's it's it should never happen it should never happen and like you know you always reflect on what you could have done differently. I probably should have just ignored it. But, you know, the heat of the battle. Yeah. Yeah, but if you're talking about it, you spend a whole week preparing, getting the guys ready, you're looking at your top 25 plays,

you're bringing to the guys on Saturday, you're giving a speech, now you're setting up, everyone's anxieties through the roof. The peak anxiety is always the national anthem. You're wondering, am I, is this the day I finally get got? Your confidence is high, low, all these different things. And then you got some guy who has the luxury upholding our name. nation's flag for the national anthem and he's doing a bunch of shit I'm sure like logically it's like you handled it fine well I appreciate that I'm sorry up like obviously you take all those

things you put tattletail tell how crazy is that were you there for that did you hear that part the tattletail thing we just talked about it I know but I'm saying were you in the room when that happened I can't remember that specific part we don't know no no I know we're having a moment I was, oh no, no. Hey, he said that. I was like, oh, shit, we got, we gotta get him some hell. Like, we didn't start the podcast. If I told the, if I told the title tell us story?

No, no, no. C-D-S-B-N. I was, sorry, I jumped too. Were you in the room when that happened? I was reflecting back on the beginning of this podcast. I think I was focused on trying to, like, just get a first down at that point. Yeah. And then I saw the commotion.

Yeah. The commotion. from a coaching standpoint, you talk about the week and the process it takes. I feel like every year, every couple of years, there's always one game

where the coaches come in the next week. They're like, I knew this was going to happen because of lack of preparation the week before. Like you lose a game. And it's like,

you could tell the boys weren't focused up. How do you work through the process when you see maybe your team as in as focus as you like them to be going into a week? Well, you try to get in front of that. If you feel it some type of way,

in the moment, I'm going to say it. Like, hey, man, we better lock in or we're about to get our ass beat. So you try to stay in front of it. But I've also experienced when I don't think we've had the cleanest of practices where we've gone out and had a kick-ass game. And vice versa, where we've had great practices and we go out there and lay an egg.

So, you know, you try to take it for what it is, what it is. and just hope our guys are balling on Sundays. We were trying to get some pregame speeches out of Josh last night, but he was saying you played your strengths well. Like you have your words, you have your things that you hit on before the game, but then you kind of let the players say whatever they need to say because we're trying to be like,

how's his speech game, how's his motivational speeches? He did say you spit fire after you guys win games. All right. He said you always got some nice bars when you come in the locker room and you say whatever you say, but he was giving you some flowers. Okay. We were looking for some funny moments, but we couldn't.

Yeah, I think I'm more, a little bit more serious, probably. I mean, you guys have been around me. Wouldn't you say so? Yeah, but you as a head coach haven't been around it. Some guys go, some guys like flip a different switch when they go from coordinator or position coach, and then one day they're head coach. I feel like, yeah, I'm the same. Yeah, I feel like the NFL too. I've never really been around coaches that, like, get the boys hyped up.

It's more like, you know this is a job. This is your process. Like, these are the keys to VIII. onward. John Gruden will get your piss hot. Really? Yeah. Because Rabel,

the coolest thing massage he'll get your piss hot. Really? Yeah. See, I had a high school head coach Charlie Regal who would literally make you run through a fucking wall with a speech.

But after that it was kind of just like, go play the game and play well. That's what we do here. Yeah. That's what we're doing. What was it like for you calling place for the first time? The first time having a sheet in your hand,

the game is yours. It's your chess board. Well, the first time, I want to say the first time I ever called plays was in the stadium. Here? Yeah. Sean had me. It was back in, it would have been 2017 with the Rams. It was a preseason game.

He's like, all right, you're calling it today. I was like, all right. And it was a fun experience. That's in the National Football League. I'd called plays, you know, at Ashland University back in the day. But in the National Football League, I think it was right here. And then I want to say that our year together in 2018, didn't we open up the preseason here as well? Yeah.

So it's kind of ironic how it all comes. Full circle. Yeah. But that first year in 2018 of really, especially you get into the regular season, I realized quickly it can be a lonely world, especially when shit ain't going right. remember the Baltimore Raven game and we got absolutely trashed. Yeah, he was 11 sacks. There's something like that. Yeah.

It was 11. It was 11. Okay. We gave up. We had like 120 yards or I don't even know. That might be generous of total offense and the whole stadium is booing your offense every time you go out on the field. It's lonely, man.

It's, it's a, I'm like, hey, is anybody got any suggestions and it's straight crickets on the headset? You know it's stuff for those guys here in the OSCE? Anybody got suggestions? Yeah, well, I'm just saying, and nothing's working. So does somebody else have a better idea? And that kind of happens naturally in games. It's funny, you know, when things are really rolling, everybody has an idea.

But when things aren't going good, it's crickets. Yeah. Like, shit, I'm not putting my ass on the line right now. Yeah. When games like the Ravens games aren't going, well, at what point do you just say, hey, let's pack it in. We're going to run the ball and get out of here. I just don't have that mentality

Really? I mean, don't get me wrong. There's been games especially I know here where you're like You know the game is over And you just don't want to get anybody hurt So you do kind of resort to that But

You know, I also think that there's Sometimes if you're getting your butt whipped And you want to get some momentum To try to get something going maybe for the next week. So maybe the guys give the boys a little confidence. Yeah, yeah.

Give them a little juice. In football, it's such a relationship's driven business, but also at the end of the day, it is just a business. With your journey and coaching, would have been a couple conversations that have been

the hardest to have, whether you've gotten fired and been caught off guard about it from somebody that you didn't think it would come from, or maybe you're leaving a situation and you're going into that you're going into the coach's office to tell him or you've even let somebody go as a head coach.

Like what have been a couple of your hardest moments or conversations with somebody? Or even again, you might be on the receiving end. But I would love to know because we have a head coach on. And I'm always curious because you know how it is like when you get cut and you might be blindsided. Well, I don't know. I don't know. I never played in the national football league. So how is it?

It's like getting fired. Yeah, it is. Totally. Everybody gets fired. And sometimes it comes out of nowhere or sometimes you're having a conversation with somebody, whether you're getting benched and it comes out of nowhere and you feel a little slighted and bitter because of the relationship you feel like you have. And it's hard to compartmentalize and separate the business from the relationship at times.

But I would love to know as a head coach and knowing that you've been in a lot of different spots. And with friends too. Yeah. And that's the danger is when you go through something together, especially something hard together, you form a bond with somebody. And then at some point that comes to an end for all players. And for me, when I have to let go of coaches, that guys that have poured everything into it,

and for whatever reason it doesn't work out. And it's always the danger of hiring people that are close to you as well. I mean, I mean, this well-known, I let Joe Barry go, who's a very dear friend of mine. And that was like one of the tough. as conversations I've ever had with somebody. How do you even prepare for that? Like it's like you can't sit in here and it's like he could give you any.

You can't prepare for it. You just, you just, that's why you just got to tell people the truth and whatever happens happens. But at least your truth, how you see it. That's why I just think you got to be honest with people. And it happens with players when you have,

especially veteran players, you might maybe aren't performing to the level that you feel like they should be performing at and you're going to make a change and set them down. And I mean, those are tough conversations, but conversations that you absolutely have to have that you can't avoid. Has any conversation went sideways? You don't have to say names, but is there an example? Sideways.

Yeah, we're a conversation, yeah. There's been a few. Really? Oh, yeah. Dude standing up getting in your face a little bit? Oh, yeah. I've had a player a couple years back. It was just him and I.

And this is before we had, we renovated our offices and we're in a different spot of the stadium now. But, I mean, we're in this center block room. I thought he's going to whip my ass. And there was nobody around. So I was just like, oh, well, here it goes, guys. This is the end. This is it. This is it.

And you just, you just. You try to de-escalate the situation, but sometimes there's no getting through, and it was one of those situations. So, but I'm still here today, so I live to tell about it. Still pretty. Did he put his hands on you? No. No. It was, I thought it might go down, but it didn't.

Does he get there because he's like, you say, you're going to move on over letting you go and he's just like, no, you're not? what we're sorry you want to say yeah show me no definitely um i i'd say everyone's a little bit different but yeah there's you you just the one thing i've learned the more you can take emotion out of any conflict and you can use this in your personal lives as well like i know with my wife the more i can take the emotion out of it usually the better the conversation goes yeah that is good advice But sometimes they want the emotion. They're like, hey, what are you feeling? Well, maybe you want the emotion.

Maybe you do. Something you want to talk about? I guess I'm feeling shame. Why? I'm just trying to think of the words, the seven words, the feelings. Seven emotions that you can feel. Yeah. But the therapist tries to dial you in.

They're like, oh, confusion, that's not a feeling. That's a thought. I hate that. That's deep. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, getting cut's not fun.

How many times were you cut? squad Titans Raiders three oh that's not bad I think because you were almost on every team I feel like he was more

yeah well it's like he was almost a Green Bay Packer bro I know was he actually almost a Green Bay Packer no no no no

did he did he did his name ever get brought up his name ever get brought up in a meeting room Yeah, we talked about him. Man, it was Lafleur's first year. I had no stroke there. Yeah, he couldn't swing the bat. But he wanted to.

I don't know how much it happened. But I think you're wanting to like you were saying, this is when I ended up going to the Saints in the Oakland that year. But he wanted to go into a meeting, I think pitch a few veterans. It was like myself, I think Chris Thompson, if I can remember correctly. It's amazing what people do. remember though. Right. Well, because I wanted to. And sometimes they remember a little bit different than you remember. Oh, yeah. But it's amazing. You don't remember it that way? Well, I mean, that was a long time ago.

I got, I'm just trying a text message. That's Matt's way of saying, no, he does not remember it that way. Well, he can even even if he already said, like, it wasn't close, like, even when I was going and worked out with the Saints and ended up signing with the Saints because Keio was here, like it was a setup that was it would have been lovely for the boy. And it would have been great. I would enjoy the locker room. Because I know he's about the right stuff. I appreciate that. That seems like the Will Compton, like every coach you talk to that's been coming across Will Compton is like, that is the guy.

Well, I mean, because otherwise he wouldn't have lasted as long as he lasted. If you wouldn't have been about the right stuff. That's a tough backhand and compliment, but it also. No, he's right. But that says, hey, sorry. I told you earlier, sometimes, you know, you just got to go with the truth. Yeah. Yeah, that's something I'm proud of it.

You should be proud of it. It doesn't feel like a backhanded compliment. You should be proud of it. Yeah, yeah. Played a long time in this league. Was it almost 10? Almost 10. Almost 10.

Some argue eight. Frable argues eight because he doesn't give me the practice squad. He says the first year was the practice squad year. I was like, bro, the last game of the season, this was in 13. Yeah. When we were at New York, it was London Fletcher's last game. I got the back up London Fletcher for his final game of all time. But that's when I got the, I was on the active roster for one game.

Recorded one stat, got one tackle on kickoff. So I am in the books. for that rookie year. Now if you go by the credited and everything else, like, yeah, I mean. I got to give it to a practice squad to me that counts.

I'm counting it. Count it. He's skiing up all the time with Jordan Reed. It was brutal. So wait, does it actually in the real world? You got the credit of its season though, right?

So since I'm vested, they count your practice squad year. Okay. I bet. Because you know, I don't want to, Will and I got into a whole thing. I was making a joke one time about eight.

things got a little fiery and he's like, he basically did all the things he just said to you, but in a very demonstrative way. Understandably, I was trying to poke the bear a little bit. Sure. But right then and there, I was like, I don't know if, so does it actually count? It does count.

So the moment you get vested, like it wasn't counting. Yeah, once you get four years, then they go back and count one practice squad years. So say I had two practice squad years. Like Lorenzo Alexander was somebody, he played like 14 years and he started off two practice squad years. They only give you credit for one. Yeah, they only give you credit for one.

Have you ever been in a situation, kind of like Will was in, where coaches are kind of being like, I need to get this guy three games to get him accredited season? Have you ever had a relationship with your guy where you're like, all right, we'll get him dialed. Or we'll give him a shot. We'll see if we can make it work for three weeks. Not too many.

No. But it's come across once in a while. That's how it was with Passaccia. But we'll never, you know, we're always going to do what's best for the team. So. As you should. I mean, I love everybody. No, I know. Yeah. It's like even when we were trying to get year 10 to happen, it was like, I was telling, hey, you just give me three weeks. I get this credit season.

But how I was going to finish his thing off, how I wasn't close to become a Packer. Like even when the Saints came in the hotel room and they gave me the contract to sign and had me mulled over for that night because I remember being on the phone with you too. Called my wife, called you guys. Low-key, I was like kind of struggling if I even wanted to do it. But I remember calling LaFle. Yeah, we had some conversations. I swear to God, I will get on a plane right now and go to Green Bay. and play for you guys if I can get an offer, if we can get an offer on the table, or if you can do anything like seeing, I think I was straight up with you, wouldn't I?

Yeah, you were. You're like, man, it's not going to happen. You need to go ahead and take that. Like, there's just not a whole lot that I'm able to do. But yeah, I was one too. I was trying hard to get in number 51.

What could have been? Did he hit you with that conversation? Like, immediately, like when he called you, did you know what was coming or was, or was he? Yeah, we were in kind of, we were in communication. Yeah,

throughout training camp, Like, hey, you in shape? Okay, so there was a, you didn't blindside him with the conversation. That was just a, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we were, I think we got on the phone and we were, again, are you in shape and stuff like that? He might have wanted to pitch a few veterans in a meeting that was coming up. And then I would check in, either through him or K.O. And back, hey, what's the, what's the skinny?

K.O. I mean, I don't even go out to the workouts. And then when the Saints thing happened, I was like, are you, so are you sure nothing can shape up with the Green Bay Packers? He's like, nah, man. It would have been fun. I kind of selfishly want you, but yeah. It's not working out. It would have been fun.

Talk to me about your process of getting this job. Because I don't know how much you want to talk about what we're talking about before the podcast started. 2018, you're with the Italians. And then all of a sudden it's like you're with the Packers. And it was like, I remember myself thinking like, damn, I was bummed out that you were gone. I ended up being happy because art's my part too. Yeah. But like I didn't know.

It's been a great decision in promoting art. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. was one of those deals where I got a call after the season. If you remember, right, we had a playing game to make the playoffs. Yeah, unfortunately against the Colts. And it didn't go our way.

But I got a call that I was going to interview for this job. And I knew I was the last interview. And I was like, all right, well, shoot, I got nothing to lose. And I'm pretty hard of myself anyways. And I went through the interview process. As a matter of fact, the Packers flew up to Nashville. I had the interview at a hotel in Nashville. And I called my wife right after, and she's like, well, how to go?

And I was like, I think it went pretty well. And she says that's the moment she thought like, oh, no, here we go. The next day, I get a phone call from Aaron Rogers. And I'm like, that's interesting. And I was actually thinking that it would lead to the second round of interviews. being that I'd never really been up here. But they called me later that afternoon and offered me the job.

And it was a pretty unbelievable moment in my life, one that I'll never forget. What was that conversation like with Aaron Rogers? Did you have his number saved in your phone? Or did it just come up like a random number? No, who's this? They had given me a heads up that Aaron was probably going to be calling me at some point. He called me.

talked for like, I don't know, 40 minutes or whatever. And it was a great conversation. Obviously, it went well enough where I think, I'm sure he reported back and said that we had a great conversation and the rest is history. How was that process like the conversation with the Titans, like when you're interviewing or looking to take on a different job? That was pretty easy. I'm saying, hey, guys, I'm leaving to be the head coach with the Green Bay Packers. I think everybody understood that. Yeah, it was a very easy conversation. And I'm sure there were some people in that building that were glad that I was leaving too.

Makes it easier. Yeah. God. I wish we had to have into that more. What? Just the coaches, like that inside ball of the Titans and all that stuff that went down. Yeah, it's like the bureaucracy is everywhere, right? Like everybody, there's going to be haters on the inside.

It's a little. I always loved how Vraib would say it's loser talk. You get guys get into their clicks. Losers start talking about the negative, yada, yada, yada, yada. I feel like that's like... You know what my favorite time with the Titans was? What's that? Was when Will Compton did Mike Frable in the team meeting.

How old we? That was... It was so spot on. It was unbelievable. And it couldn't have come at a perfect time because... And I want to know who recorded that. Darren Bates. Oh.

Was it Bates? I think it was Batesy, yeah. Yeah. I think it was D. A RACPO had to record it. Because usually that is kind of... A Rackpo. You don't film those types of meetings.

Yeah. But I think we knew going into it. I think Rack or D.B. or somebody was saying how they were going to get it recorded. Yeah. Because I was nervous. You were nervous for that? Yeah, because Wesley Woodier was kind of been like, I don't know if you should do it. Like, guys could get cut over stuff like this. Like he, I guess he had an experience maybe in Denver

to where somebody might have did something for the rookie show. Yeah, I didn't think it was... I didn't think it was disrespectful in any way. Yeah, yeah. No, I didn't think so either. When you're about to do it, it's like you have the culture building that Vrable was doing. He did a great job of, like, separating the, you know, being a player's guy, but also a coach and making sure things ran strict and smooth to where, you know, he was tight.

Like, he was a hard ass at times, especially in training camps. For sure. So that's kind of where the nerves are coming from. Like, man, I hope, you know, he takes this. I actually find it when we have a rookie skit, if they don't clown him, you a little bit, I'm usually disappointed. Yeah. Yeah, you're thinking, what have I been doing

and not make these guys feel comfortable enough to joke on me? Yeah. So I think you go into it with that mindset. You can't be sensitive. It was a good time, though. We had some good laughs. That was epic.

But understanding your nerves for sure, too, because, like, 2018, Mike Brable was a different cat. And we were all kind of just trying to figure him out and after practice and practices were hard. He was hard on us. Those team meetings, buttholes are tight. Every single camp practice. That was the one year.

year, and I've talked about it before, but that was the one year where a lot of the times I was not looking forward to driving into work. Like I would wake up and not have the mentality I had, I was just watching before that, but not have the, I'd be like dreading going into work. Really? Dreading going into whatever the team meeting, whatever he was going to do in the team meeting. And if you lost, it just felt like the world was crumbling. And usually just in a lot of our experiences in the national football, you flip that. script because you got to get on in the next week yeah yeah you yeah you try to give the lessons

and you try to learn from it yeah and then you're on to the next opponent but yeah i do remember those lingering a little bit yeah yeah there were there were there was that was the that was the moments were sleeping in because i remember i come and sit next to the locker and derrick morgan was next to mine i bet man i fucking hate this shit sometimes well we'll just be laughing kind of like bonding over the embracing the suck i mean i remember a few team comedians where I said the same thing. Nervous. Hoping you know all the team keys, everything.

Because 18 was kind of a shit show. 19 is when like he showed like being a little more easier. When we lose, it wasn't so tough. 2020 was his best year. Yeah, 2020. 2020 was a totally different Mike Grable. Yeah, it was way different. Or you could just tell he was kind of like finding us footing as a head coach,

understanding the process and I will say it takes some time. Yeah. It definitely takes some time. I would say if you asked. We don't have too many guys that were here in 2019 when I got hired, but we got Kenny Clark, Elton Jenkins. I would bet if you ask those guys, they would tell you I'm a lot different than than I am now.

Do you go through a process after your first season as a head coach and evaluate how you handle your situations? 100%. Yeah, you're always, I think that's part of it. If you want to be the best you can be is, you know, sometimes you've got to look at yourself in the mirror and say, oh, man, I did not handle that situation well and be real about it. So I think you're constantly evaluating, constantly evolving in order to be your best.

How does the evaluation look, though? Because it's like, you can look in the mirror and be like, I could have handled that better. But sometimes you don't know what your blind spots are unless you're asking people close to you. And it's like, man, I need you to be transparent. You got to have truth tellers. And sometimes you don't want to hear the truth. And I've got a couple guys on my staff.

that will, you know, guy like Daryl Franklin, who will sometimes tell me the shit that I don't want to hear. And sometimes I might get pissed off about it, but he keeps coming back to me. And he's resilient in that regard. Joe McCillop's another guy. Like, you got to have guys around you that will feed you the hard truth. And, you know, you just sometimes you've got to accept it. With, since being a head coach, what do you feel like it's been your looking back?

Like, what do you feel like it's been your biggest challenge? Biggest challenge? Yeah. I mean, there's been too many biggest challenges. I mean, we've navigated through some tough times. Yeah, that's true. What's one that, yeah, I guess those tough times I was going to ask, what's one that's been surprising that you're like,

oh, this is a challenge I wasn't even thinking about or had the forethought for it? I mean, there's, there's, I feel like there's stuff that comes up almost every, well, it comes up every so often where you just get caught off guard. you know, whether it's guys are upset about, you know, playing time or production, whatever it may be, that you're like, wow, that came out of left field that you have to handle in the moment. But to sit here and pinpoint and say just one, I think it's tough to do because whether it's coaches, players, you're just dealing with so many people. I think that's what separates our game from most of these other sports is when you think about it,

you've got, especially off-season, you've got a 90-man roster. We've got like, I don't even know how many coaches we have now. It's like 25 coaches. And you're dealing with, you know, athletic training staff, strength staff, you're scouting department. You're just dealing with a lot of people that naturally shit happens and stuff comes up that you can't possibly prepare for. With the draft being in Green Bay, what is different about this draft for you guys compared to other drafts? I would say all this media stuff that we're doing.

Yeah. This is a fun one, right? Yeah. This is a fun one, right? This is your favorite one. Absolutely. Keep telling yourself that well. There were some media saying that, like, you know, people talk about the draft and how, you know, this is not the strongest draft in the world.

And a lot of these guys in the 20s are trying to maybe trade out of it and stuff like that. Is there ever like a pressure from the NFL for the team that at the drafts is in Green Bay? It's like, hey, we need to make sure you guys have a first round draft pick. Is there ever that? No, I don't believe so. I don't think we'd operate that way anyways. We're always going to do what's best for the Packers and whether you got a first round pick or not. But I think there's a ton of good players in this draft.

And who really knows? I mean, I'll tell you. Isn't that weird? I'll tell you in two or three years. Yeah, there's some guys that are going to come in this league and have instant success. but you guys know you've been through it. I'm sure you're a lot different player. Your rookie year as you were three years into it.

So, you know, you got to give these guys an opportunity to go out there and perform. What's your best war room story? War room story? Yeah. Day of the draft. Oh, man, you're trying to put me on the spot, Will. I feel like you got some that probably just jump out at you in your mind. I mean, there's just remembering you always remember like, man, that moment kind of changed X, Y, Z,

or this guy was right. here when I was saying something different or I was right here when they were saying Yeah, I would say there's some moments where hey, we're going to draft this guy and you're like, no, I don't want that guy. And there's some back and forth and hopefully you can come to a consensus conclusion on it. But ultimately, I'll tell you this. I can tell you that we've drafted players that I haven't been really excited about that two years down the line I was ecstatic about. and I'd be like, man. Can you drop names?

Because to me, that's a compliment. It's like you're fired up. I'm not. It's like, yo, I was wrong. I just, I don't want to do that. Damn. I'll tell you. I'll give you a name.

I'll give you a name. And I'll never forget this. So we're in L.A. And we drafted Cooper Cup. And I thought we needed a speed receiver. And it didn't take long before I realized. I was like, God damn, I'm glad we got Cooper Cup. because he was a baller.

So, and I know that makes me look like an idiot because how couldn't you see that Cooper Cup was going to be what he, what he's become? Yeah, but a white kid out of Eastern Washington. Like, you know, you know, the Fleur was saying that too. Like, hey, like he's playing like we need double whatever that is. We need speed. Yeah. Not a white guy.

Where did you go? Eastern Michigan. Eastern Washington. Eastern Washington. We went, we went and worked them out. And he's been, I mean, he's been. I mean, he's been balling ever since. He came in the league

his first year and was balling. And he would have crossed you over just like that kid at Oregon did. Damn. On that choice. The blur came with some heat today. Son of my bitch, man. With a, like, you talk about Cooper Cup,

like he's known as a go worker. Who are some of the best workers you've been around, like, from player standpoint? Best workers? Like the best workers, you're like, this guy, no matter what he's going to be, he's just a grinder. Well, it's easiest if I talk about some of the guys from our team right now.

Like a guy like Tucker Kraft coming in and just to watch him work on a daily basis. I mean, he's here even when the players don't need to be here in the offseason. And he's in there every day, just grinding away. He had a hell of a year too. He did. And I think he's going to get better and better and better because of what you mentioned, just his work ethic and how he approaches the game. I love his mindset.

that but there's there's there's there's i mean you guys i mean i would say you guys were great workers wouldn't you wouldn't you agree yeah i like i think i was a hard worker yeah yeah so both you guys watching you guys work it was impressive thank you it was nice get insulted but then all of a sudden comes he knows what he's doing comes back around comes back around he's treating me like a lady he's like being mean to me and wants me to yeah the game he's do a good job too yeah he's playing hard yeah he's playing chess right now. Do you want to do the Bud Light question? Yeah, we can do the Bud Light question. Go ahead. Our Bud Light question brought to us by Bud Light. You, Coach Lifer, you know, people would do anything

for a Bud Light. What would you do anything for? You want funny or serious? If you have one of each, then we'll go and take both. What would I do anything for? I would definitely, I know you guys said this earlier but I would definitely do anything for my family so I forgot to get the insurance policy no family no family no family no family because they like's taken away family you've got kids yeah you would do anything for your family kids I'll you want to I'll tell you what I did for for my family one time so Milwaukee Bucks right they win the NBA championship and my wife and I were we were celebrating at the arena and having champagne and with a bunch of people from the bucks. And I was thinking after the game, so we were staying in Milwaukee, I'll just get an Uber

and go back to the hotel or whatever. And I didn't realize they kind of like what they've done here for the draft where they just close off a bunch of streets. So it was really hard to get an Uber. You couldn't get anything close to the arena. So we had to take a walk and we're walking down by all these bars. cars in Milwaukee, cross water street,

and we're walking along, and all of a sudden we hear, pop, pop, pop, pop. And it was gunfire going off. And I immediately, initial reaction, you just start taking off. And I look behind me, and my wife's in heels.

And I'm like, let's go. She's like, I can't run. I'm in heels. So I literally, fireman carrier, put her up on my shoulder, shoulders run across the street around a corner about two three blocks to get her out of harm's way so fucking Superman out here laying it on the line that's a nice move that's that's

adrenaline that was a lot of adrenaline right there I thought you were to keep on running based on this latest story was going well I ran right up to some police officers and may have may or may not have named dropped and said hey can you help me get back to my hotel and they got us there so but in the process of that as i was scooping her up there was a railing that separated the sidewalk from the bars may have skimmed her eye across that railing a little bit and as i'm as i'm running with her she's telling me to drop to set her down i'm like hell no we're we're getting out of here so but um yeah outside of that i mean i would do anything for a super bowl ring you know what we have to ask you now i know i know it's coming so mike rable yes said he would cut off

his penis for a Super Bowl. Talked about how long he was married, kids, the whole thing. He won three as a player. He made sure to mention that. And then he would do it for a Super Bowl as a coach. Would you cut your dick off for a Super Bowl? I don't think I can go that far, guys. Sorry.

It's fair. That's fair and logical. I thought for sure you were ready to say, yeah, you're like, I would do anything for a Super Bowl. I would do anything. Except for the hat. He said, yeah. Yeah, I do know what's coming.

And the answer is no. What do you think is going to take for you guys to get over the hump? You know, that's a great question. That's something that I've obviously been thinking about for six years now in my time because we've gotten close. Yeah. I just think like when you get to the NFL playoffs, it is Sean McVeigh and I talk about this all the time. It's March Madness. So it takes you playing your best in the moment and you've got to make the plays.

And certainly there's always things as you can do as a coach. That could be better. But you need everybody clicking on all cylinders because we've been right there. Shoot, we hosted an NFC championship game in Lambo. Unfortunately, it was the year that was the COVID year. And you don't get to take advantage of that home field crowd. So I just think we need everybody to perform in those tough moments. Because, I mean, when you get to that stage, I mean, it's the, the, the, the,

margins are razor thin so you have to be at your best that's what it takes yeah and the health health oh yeah and we were healthy the majority of that season yeah and i mean not to imagine your division is just scary good yeah it's a pretty pretty competitive division right now yeah yeah vikings lions bears now it's like a wizard of all story man lions tigers and bears do you have beef with coach johnson i was waiting for this i i don't know know Ben Johnson. So do you have beef? Do I have beef?

I don't know Ben Johnson. I respect him as a football coach. I think he did a nice job. Yeah, but do we not feel the same thing right now? Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. But if you don't know him, why is it tight in here? It's not tight. I'm not tight.

Who's tight? I guess I'm just tight. Yeah, my fault. My fault. I thought it was interesting. What was interesting? I thought the press conference was interesting, but I don't have beef with them. I don't get it all into that stuff.

I thought it was... But you'll harness it. He'll see the I of Mojis after a win. I don't have his number, so that won't happen. You got a Jim Harbaugh him after a game? No, I would never do that. Do you have the strength to do that? I don't know.

Probably not. Apparently not. Apparently not. No, no, I'd never do that. You think am I not strong enough for you, Will? I know you're not. And you tore your peck. I did.

How's that going? It's a lot better now. A year ago, I flew back on draft day after getting surgery. No shit. Yeah. How did you tear your peck? Yeah, bench pressing. How much was on the rack?

315. Be honest, man. Huh? How much you think, Will? 135. No, it was not 135. 185. A little more.

200. 205. 205. Okay. It was 195. No doubt. No doubt. You know he hit 195 and then put the two and a halfs on just to get 200.

He had the camera set up just to prove. In all seriousness, it was 185. It was 185. Yeah. And I was just wrapping it out last set, last rep. And you just, you know, sometimes you just try to like throw her up there. Well, I got a little careless with my form and sure enough. Are you by yourself? No. I was getting, I was in the, in our weight room and our strength coach was right there.

Thank God, because one side went up and the other side went, it went right on my chest. God. Did you have any shoulder pain or chest pain? No. Do you ever feel tight or just happened? No, just happened. That's terrifying. You know, never do it again. Well, I will never barbell bench ever again in my life. I will dumbbell bench, never barbell. So I would tell you, how old do you know? 35. Yeah, I would, if I was you, I would never barbell bench. I don't have a barbell in the garage. Well, I mean, you're right, though. It's like we bench press more so for ego than anything else. Yeah. That sucks, though. Did your chest like cave in? Like, did it? Oh, yeah, you could, I had a big, I mean, it was, I had to go, I tore both tendons. And you know, you just think it

like went in. Oh, yeah. You could feel it. I could feel it like when it happened in the moment. No shit. Yeah. So I went to Dr. Cardasco in New York and had surgery. And, yeah, it was not a good time. Such a pain in the ass.

But he did a great job. If you ever tear your back, go see Dr. Cardasco. That's the guy. He's the guy to go to. Coach, we appreciate you, man. Yeah, thanks for coming. It was a busy day. So thank you for making the time.

come out here we'll talk more after the podcast no but you're the best and good luck this season i appreciate it guys thank you hope you get whoever you want so do i hey who do you hope you get this isn't coming out to next tuesday yeah i don't know who do you hope you a really good player what position what if we do this what if we do this you call a shot right now and if it doesn't hit we don't put in the podcast but if it hits it's like oh shit man called his i i really i really it's a business you're He would, yeah. I don't know. There's a lot of good players, like I said. So whoever we get, we're going to embrace and we're going to coach them.

I love that. Hell of a coach. Can't wait to see you guys one at all. Big hugs time. He says, please subscribe, rate five stars. Matt Lafleur. Packers, go pack. Thank you.

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