Bussin' With The Boys - Maxx Crosby On Josh McDaniels Firing + Why He Thinks He Deserves DPOY

Episode Date: November 7, 2023

Recorded: November 6th 2023 | On this weeks episode the boys get into their weekends and the weekend that was in the football world. Starts off with Will coming to the conclusion that he no longer likes his dog, Waffle, the boys preview the trip to LSU this coming weekend and also recap their records from Slips and Picks. Following that they get into the NFL and College football headlines. The boys react to Josh Dobbs leading the Vikings to a win after only being on the team for 5 days. Taylor and Will both retract their statement from before where they said Dobbs wouldn't be anything crazy. They also get into the Raiders coming up with a huge win against the Giants ad they seem to really be rallying behind the interim coach Antonio Pierce. Taylor then has a tough time accepting the fact that CJ Stroud is in fact him. Not because Taylor doesn't like him, but the fact that he went to Ohio State and that we plays for the Texans. Following the boys chopping it up, they have stud defensive end for the Las Vegas Raiders, and one of the boys who have been with us since the jump, Maxx Crosby join them. Maxx gets into why he feels like he deserves to be in the running for defensive player of the year with the likes of Myles Garrett and TJ Watt. He also gets into what it has been like with the transition of coaches from Josh McDaniels to Antonio Pierce. Maxx also sets the record straight after a report came out about a team meeting and things that were said in that meeting. Maxx is another one of the boys and after talking with him, you can't help but think the Raiders are all the way back. Enjoy 3:55 Weekend recap 6:50 JP's brother is Dr. Doolittle 10:50 Will hates his dog 16:24 The boys are headed to LSU 20:58 Giveaway in Slips and Picks 22:34 Josh Dobbs is unreal 29:38 The Raiders might be back 43:38 Michigan in the clear? 59:06 Overly Direct Take 1:17:02 CJ Stroud is so good 1:25:30 Twisted question 1:29:40 The good, bad and ugly 1:41:05 New Merch 1:43:50 Canadian holidays 1:53:37 MAXX CROSBY INTERVIEW STARTS 1:55:30 Myles Garrett + TJ Watt comparisons 1:59:50 The switch in coaches 2:05:10 Jay Glazer report 2:08:10 Maxx has his own podcast 2:10:37 Maxx donated a good chunk of change to his college 2:17:39 Victory cigar 2:20:46 Day in the life of Maxx Crosby 2:26:32 Max was the first NFL-er to know Will from the pod 2:27:40 When did the insecurities of the podcast go awayFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Without question. I have never in my life felt more safe than I am in the passenger seat of your ZR 2. That's all that's all I'm saying. You enjoy putting the seatbelt on just knowing like, yo, I am extremely safe, five-star safety. You know, you guys can read it all. I enjoy being safe, but I also enjoy keeping the seatbelt off for the first 15 seconds of our car ride together. So I can get the whole, you put the seatbelt off from Compton.

And like a pole, like a doll pole string, dude. Keep that seat up for me. The first thing. It's like an alarm goes off in your head. I don't want to say it. That is, to me, that's in the category of shit to get you beat when that, when that beeping starts to happen, I'm like, I really hope they dial this in.

I hope they heard that. And then once it goes probably seven seconds after the beep, after the ding, I'm like, okay, I got to say something. Seven seconds, you're in the third ding by then. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Is your seatbelt on me?

You do the pole? You pull your seatbelt out? I don't know, is it? There's only two of us here. And it only happens in the front seats. If you're in the back, you know, have your seatbelt on, you're all good. But yeah, you're in the past year.

You're good to die. Yeah. You want to do. what you want with your safety. That's fine, but just don't annoy my ears. Yeah. Oh, is that me? Oh, is that me? That is so true, dude. How was... How was the weekend, man? It was outstanding. We threw a couple of fastballs out there for the balls. Yeah. Got a couple scholarship offers from Tennessee. That was pretty cool. That was awesome to be a part of. Talen went to Arizona. So I saw our horses. They went riding literally for the last 48 hours. They've been riding horses from like sun up to sundown.

What are them horses doing? Doing good. Strong? Strong. Strong? Durable? Are they ready? Are they Red Dead Redemption type horses. We talking to the good boys. One of them is. One of them is like the one you get unlocked when you go to the top northwest part of the snowy part of the map. And you get that one horse that's like it takes a minute to wrangle. I don't know if you ever did that. If you went to go to the hacks.

Yeah, I got into it. I went on Red Dead, but never in real life. Yeah, yeah. Red Dead too. I did do that. That was for me the greatest moment ever. But we have one horse that's a raining horse. And her name is Blondie.

And she's like a blonde horse. Has a blonde mane. And she's, you know, she's out there cooking. She's won a couple medals now, a couple ribbons and they do in the horse world. He's doing her thing. Okay. She's doing her thing.

Fun facts about horses, ladies and gentlemen. There's no way to make money. So don't think you're going to. Don't go into horses. I grew up with horses. I grew up on a ranch. There is no way to make money. She's doing it for the love of the game.

Do it for the love of the game. But it is, it's awesome. But Wynne was out there, she's riding, when's big into dragons right now. So she like literally, Wynne was nervous about being on horses. And then Tailon's like, what if you think of the horse is like a dragon?

and I'm the bad guy and you're trying to get away from me. There you go. You got to do X, Y, and Z. And apparently she murdered the game. She's obsessed with horses. She doesn't want to leave. She's crying the idea of coming back to Nashville.

Where's the dragon love coming from? Are we talking like... How to train your dragon? Okay. That's where it came from. Which, even if you don't have kids, that's a movie you need to go see. That movie is so good.

It is incredible. And it's taken Winn by Storm. Like, when it'll be... I'll be driving her to school and she'll be looking at the window. And I'll always take my mirror and I'll peer it down by her and I'll be kind of, you know, looking at her as I'm driving.

And she'll be looking at the mirror and just take a deep breath. I'm just so obsessed with dragons. Like literally just talking to herself. Like she loves dragons. Maybe throw Game of Thrones into the, you know what I mean? Yeah. Take my six-year-old to hey, let's look at all this. It's time to.

Here are all the episodes of the dragons in them. Let's go look at some real dragons. Or maybe for Christmas you get her a little, just a first-generation PlayStation and buy her Spiro the Dragon. That's a good idea, too. You know what she wants for Christmas? This is the first Christmas for when that she's like, want something real bad, like knows what she wants for Christmas

and it stayed consistent to her, we're like, hey, maybe for Christmas, blah, she wants a bearded dragon. Lizard. Right. I remember you saying that like however many months back on the bearded dragon. You're like, we're not getting out, but if you want it from Christmas time. We got a bait of fish.

And I was like, if you can take care of this beta fish, maybe a dragon will be in your stocking. Yeah, a beta fish dragon. Yeah. And the beard of dragons don't look, they're just, there's lizards with cool names. She'd get a Komoto dragon. She wants, what's that?

Camoto dragon. Yeah, dude. That'd be sick. Yeah, why not? He might be able to hook it up with the, even a bearded one. Yeah? Yeah.

A dragon or a lizard? Dragon. Because lizard, if you throw the name lizard in there, she doesn't care anymore. No, he has dragons. We might have to get like a little pet ski or something going on. He's bro. His brother lives a monks.

Like, he's like Dr. Doolittle. That's awesome. He can talk to animals. Yeah. that is bad ass dude badass how many dragons does he have around him he's got

legit like 35 snakes some of the most venomous snakes in the world black mambas cobras wipers that's my that's literally my

one of my two fears you guys know about from bed the bus yeah but snakes are like the most terrifying thing to me I want to the zoo with willow this weekend

we're there for two and a half hours get back to your brother JP go ahead J.P go ahead I thought you finished your thought I was done I was done. I was done.

Okay. I was like, how many dragons? So he's got 35 snakes. Taylor's like, my brain, my brain got like, we were at,

like, we got to talk about that for a second. We went to the zoo over the weekend. Yeah. He was going to talk about snakes. There were snakes there. Okay.

And it was scary. How many total animals does he live with? Like, let's see, 35 snakes, four dogs, an owl,

an emu, pigs, goats, chickens, peacocks. Peacocks. two tortoises and like four birds. And this is a single man living. In Charleston, South Carolina.

That is so funny. The government, if you heard that, it's not Charleston, South Carolina. What's his word in the emo? How does he feel about the emo? Loves it. Really? That thing is sick.

Is it an emerson? Oh, I'm thinking he's going over all the animals. Like, I don't have snakes. I won't get snakes. I don't have Komodo dragons. But I got goats, chickens, and what do you say? Pigs? I don't have pigs, but I got bunnies.

And I was like, you know. Bad bunnies. I think it would be sick to have, dude, so when we got those bunnies at that birthday party a couple years ago, the guy was there, he's like, yeah, we got a kangaroo. I was like, oh, yeah, what's it like having a kangaroo? He's like, just chills, just hangs out. Like, did you imagine coming over my house? Little goddess.

Guy was kind of hopping up to you, talking to your first, like, hanging out. Got one of your dogs in the water in the bottom? Locked them up. Lock them up for a second. Who let's smoke out again? It would be sick. I think having a bunch of animals is dope. I think it's great for having for kids too, for them to, like, do chores and stuff like that.

But single guy. Yeah, yeah. We can all go to Charleston. That'd be sick. I'd be intimidated. No, no, no. He's good with it. They'd have to stay in their little cages.

Yeah, it's like a whole room for him. So you're good. Yeah, we'll lock that lock and key padlock type stuff. I, dude, I can't see him. I can't think about them. I'm uncomfortable right now. They're crazy. One of the, uh, cotton mouse, like, you know, you got to take them out to feed him and

clean them and stuff. Why not? Why don't you just throw the food in there. Sorry, to clean the cages. you got to take them out. And so one time, you have to wear gloves. And it bit him. And he said he could see the venom just like oozing out of the snake's things.

That messes me up. Yeah, I was like, dude. On a big level. I just kept his composure. Like, oh, I must have messed up here. Yeah. I had a buddy in high school. Kyle Watkins.

Shout out Kyle Watkins, dude. He wasn't really my friend, but he was a senior when I was a sophomore. He said all the records in Arizona. I was a white receiver. Shout out the boy. His family had like a couple acres of land. And they had like the same kind of setup. They had like Komodo dragons, alligators, like a whole bunch of shit in like one little area.

Never went to his house. Was never invited. But I always thought, man, that's pretty wild. Yeah. All those things. Yeah, that's the problem. My brother lives in a neighborhood. Not on a few acres.

That never has on space yet. Why has he got all those things? He's obsessed with animals. He just loves them. Yeah. That's how, that's what's going to happen with my family. I'll see, I'll see JP. He'll post every now and then.

You'll just see all these animals all over the place, man. And he's got a do little time job. he's a PA too like a physician's assistant yeah so it's I don't know how he does it but man that is crazy yeah that would be a wild deal yeah you just got waffle yeah yeah I got waffle barely yeah barely yeah I feel like waffles in will's relationship I don't know if it's actually bad no you're right you're you're calling it's kind of like it happened something something happened the other day she just started barking she started barking she saw something across the street out the window and just starts barking.

I'm like, Waffle, shut the fuck up, man. That is so real. And then I look over to Char, I'm like, I'm just ready for her time to come. But it's like to the point, like, we know the relationship just is where it's at. And so I like making more extreme jokes because Charles, like, you hate Waffle. I'm like, I don't hate Waffle. But then something happens like, God damn it, Waffle, just nothing's happening out there. Waffle is now just a roommate.

Yeah, a roommate you don't like. Never cleans up after themselves. Sheds. Like, she, like, what she's stressed about? Everything, bro. I got Waffle. Like, this gate is not going to kill you.

Go past the gate. Where it's just, it lives in our house. It's a kid's gate. Dude, I got one. I posted her last week on my story because she was, like, trying to, like, jump up on the couch and couldn't.

And I was like, Waffle, what are you doing? Like, just jump up on the couch. And she's like, like, looks over at me. Now she's got them fangs that, like, come up over her little underbite. You can really see that relationship.

of going downhill. I know. You could. I got that same issue with my dogs. Like, you know, smoke, that husky.

So we got her. That dog sucked from the beginning. I've never liked that dog. But then we, like, fostered Jake, which Jake's the best boy.

Like, he is, he's such a big, dumb idiot. Like, he's so stupid. He wants to do well, so badly. But he's a follower.

He's got zero leadership in his blood, zero. So he bonded to smoke. And essentially now, Tailon has a dog, and that dog has a dog. And these dogs are just like little pack animals ripping around my house.

And I'm just like, can one of them just die, man? Yeah. I feel bad because I did love Waffle. Like there was a time Charles pregnant. There was a time Charles pregnant, I was like, oh, Waffle, this little kid, she's not going to take your spot. And it could not be farther from the truth. How quickly did that happen? I think it happened when Waffle would try to jump up on her bed at night.

And it would really start to piss me off. And then she would start to growl at me. And I'm like, this is not the road you want to go down. And someone- You want to shout out the belt, you let me know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it would just piss me off. And then I'm thinking on my head like, Waffle,

your days are numbered if you're like this when Rue gets a little bit older. And Roo, because Rue will be like, you know, she'll get older and she'll be in the stage where she wants Waffle off and she's just probably trying to push. Yeah. But Waffle makes the wrong choice. Like, it will be the wrong choice. I had a buddy who was like an animal control guy around Nashville.

Like we had a bunch of, and he ended up coming over a bunch to where we became friends. Mm-hmm. And he had a kid. And he has like two. pit bulls. And literally, they brought the kid home and set the kid on the ground. The minute the pit bulls walked over there, his words, beat the shit out of those dogs to set the tone. Like, this is mine. Yeah. Those dogs have not fucked with that. She knows how they're like, these are

territorial bulldogs are stubborn. So it's like, if she's jumping up on the bench, she's not listening to me to get down. She thinks like she owns that part of the better. She can do what she wants. And I'm like, no, that's not how I know. You know what I mean? Or if I want you to get down and you're not moving. Like, I'm asking you, hey, get out. Why, if I need you to get down? She, like, staying, you know, 10 toes down, paws down, whatever. Four paws down. Yeah, four paws down. Like, there's an issue. There's an issue. But if I take self-accountability, I do need to love her more. Like, I need to spend time with her more. And I don't do that. I kind of neglect her. And usually the only moments we have together are when I'm, like, already, like, not in the mood.

Tired. Yeah, tired. Like, while we're barking, I'm trying to, we got suits on right now. We're trying to, we're trying to spend time. You want to go outside and play with the ball. It's dark outside. You can't see the ball. You're going to lose it. I'm going to have to go find it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a process, dude. Yeah. So that's where. That's where. Shout out your brother, though. Not caring about any of the things.

Yeah. Yeah. shout out of Alex. Maybe I need to give Waffle to Alex. Yeah. What do you take? What do you take Waffle? Probably.

Who knows if the pack would accept Waffle. You know what I mean? Probably not. Probably not. Maffle would get eaten. Right. Yeah. Waffle would get killed fairly quickly.

I had a dog when I first got in the league and I had a doggy door and I knew how to use the doggy door but I wouldn't be home during the season and he would just go in front of the doggy door and shit on the doggy door right in front of it and just would not listen to anything would refuse to sleep

unless he was under the bed, under the covers in the bed like I would go to bed and he like walk up to me and just put his nose on my cheek it was kind of adorable and I would have to like lift the blankets up and he would go all the way down by my feet and sleep there like a rock all night. Shut up, brew.

Shut up, brew. Shut up, brew. And that is. You talk about that. It makes me feel a little worse because Waffle does like, she wants companionship with me and I, yeah,

I guess I'm a bit of a bitch when it comes. No, but I get it because we're, we back to Waffle. You and I are in similar areas of life with similar mindsets. And it's like, we do so much right now. And the time you do get to kind of just be to yourself,

you don't have to worry about some animal, fuck it up your time. or barking at something when you just want some damn peace and quiet, when you know, hey, Waffle, I've told you a million times, there's nothing out there. Yeah, that's what gets me is we just don't have any common sense in the brain with Woff. Yeah, that's tough. Hey, come on.

Hey, the neighbor's garage doors opening up. That's not an alarm for, hey, we are under attack. You know what I mean? Yeah. We talked about traveling a bunch boys. This weekend, we will be in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Yes. For LSU versus Florida.

We'll be our Fred's Friday night. I believe Shaquille O'Neal will be there as well, DJ. We're painting the town red. It's going to be an absolute, it's going to be a time. It'll be an absolute time. Last time I was there, I was talks of a casino being there. Always might have to jump over for a second. Just for a second, just to see how it feels.

Take a peek. Just take a peek. Just take a peek, play a couple hands and see how it goes. That's all I'm saying. Give that a little go. So we'll be there. We'll be in Baton Rouge on Friday and Saturday. Florida and LSU, it's a night game they announced, right?

So we're back. There was talks about it being an afternoon game or later afternoon game 330, but now I think it is a 630 game. Florida LSU, Death Valley night game. I mean, it's going to be a fun environment. If you're a college football fan, this should be a bucket list thing. Yeah.

Everybody talks about Death Valley at night and how it's supposed to be the most insane situation ever. I'm happy it's at night too because I get some time in the morning. What's that? Why not? You can say it. Somebody took me off the travel list.

Budgets, Mitch. No, I get it. I get it. But. Bitches. I want to go. But I get it. I get it.

Well, any of the guys want to give up their seat. I'll think what you can do. But if guys do want to give them to seat, we'll have to look at what they do role-wise and be like, ah, we can't have you. Sitting this one out. Hey, Mitch, something to think about, though. Do you know Nick Bennett?

Nick's driving down. Oh. Friday. And he's staying at Airbnb with Logan Stokes. Logan Stokes. Logan's, he's awesome. You're going to love him. So that option is still there.

Free ride, free stay. hit a couch and he showed the boys. And we get to save money. That's a thought. It just depends on how bad you actually wanted as a fan versus I'm going to throw this at my guy's faces since they took me off the travels. And let's think about this first thing.

I'm in the middle of talking about how much fun it's going and I glance over at you and you just go, I'm not going. He made a point. I'm not talking about you. I'm not going. And I was on this show right now when I found out you weren't going. That's how rolls.

but you have the option to go. I do. What I was going to say before we had to do that was I'm excited to night game because I want to see that experience, but also Michigan's playing their first real game in the season at noon. What's the next? What's the ad we got to jump into?

Because after this ad, we can jump into like just the football weekend. It was a very good weekend of football. You had Bam Alice, you dealing, you had Pennix versus Williams happening. the next day you got burrow versus Allen, you got Mahomes, Tua, the Cowboys, Eagles. Like, it was a weekend of football. But before we get into that, hopefully everybody is on the GameTime app.

The app that is the official ticketing app of Barstile Sports and Bust with the boys, you shouldn't have to worry when buying your tickets to the next big event. Game time is the fast and easy way for all sports, music, comedy, theater events near you. What do you think about the GameTime app, Taylor? I know you've used it a couple times. actually given some tickets away. Right. We did a giveaway. We did a giveaway. And we did a giveaway last week and I will say it was very easy to do. You download the app. You use the redeem code. I believe it's going to be, was it busing U.S.S.I.N. That's what's going to be on this thing. Once I did

that, I got a little discount on that thing and I sent it off. No problem. He got a little E ticket right there, scanner right there. He's going to be able to go rip a game. No problem. Should we do a giveaway and maybe Mitch jumps into the comments of this YouTube right now? Oh. And then if he wins the ticketing out, we give him a couple tickets to the LSU game this week. And then all he's got to do is get his ass down there. Something to think about. Something to think about. But no, no, no, this is something to think about.

Okay. We did a giveaway for this. Should we do a different ad this week? We could. But. I'm just saying if we're trying to think about a boy. Because you can take all the guests work out of buying tickets with GameTime, Mitch. Download the GameTime app.

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We'll probably do it for another sponsor, but dive in, game time. I'll be in the comments with my Twitter handle, so you guys can go through that. Yeah, leave your Twitter handle. Leave your Twitter handle. Great call. Leave your Twitter handle. We don't know how to contact you if you don't have the Twitter. There is going to be another giveaway this week.

I've been talking about this yet. There is going to be another giveaway this week. It's going to be on slips and picks. If you watch slips and picks, will be a cash giveaway. Okay. That comes out and you will find out a way to win by watching slips and picks. It will come out at some point during that show.

It comes out Thursday at 2 o'clock, 2 o'clock, 2 o'clock Central Time on Thursday. That's a great. That fires me up. Slips and Picks now. We are on a, this last weekend, everybody was winning. Yeah, I think, I think I only lost two games. Yeah, I think you went undefeated in the headliners. It was the chief.

Which is big as I had to flip. That was one in three, like two weeks in. row. Yeah. And Mule and I lost that one. And then you go all the way, you go all the way down. Like, I want to say Mule lost us in one of the parlayes. Tyree didn't score. He only at 80 yards. That was a bummer. Which we can get into, but let's finish up on slips. I want to give you some flowers. We talked about Vikings, Atlanta, under game, under game, under. I went back and revisited to give Will the opportunity to go under, under, says Josh Dobbs is going to play. Everyone said he's not playing.

Those reports at that time. And you shot a text. I shot a text to somebody on the inside. Guy gets hurt. Make sure to put in the little throwback clip in there, Mitch. But yeah, let him spin it. Let him spin it. Let him spin it.

And what did he do? Spun the fuck out of it. And did the under hit? The overhead. The overhead. That's right. And that's a big, that is called standing four paws down. Yeah.

And handling your business right there. I tell you what. And I know we were getting into our good. bad, ugly, whatever. Josh Dobbs winning that game against the Falcons. Falcons are going with Heineke. Falcons aren't dead. They're still a solid team.

We'll kind of see what they do from here on out. But the Vikings, with all of the issues that they've had, guys getting injured. Quiz, Questonbury, plays every snap. Guy goes down, he apparently had a groin injury on Friday, the tackle that was in front of Quiz. Yeah. And apparently he had a growing injury on Friday.

Didn't tell nobody. And then hurts it even more pregame. Quiz goes in and plays the entire. game. You got him as a backup tackle. Dobbs coming in. They're on the sideline talking about, you know, how they're going to do cadence, some pre-snap reads, adjustments. O'Connell

apparently is in his headset talking him through some of these calls and what he might be getting. Like, the way Dobbs' brain is operated, and he's done it now. He showed up a week before Cardinals for NASA. And played and started that first week. He showed up a few days before Vikings. They won. He did it with the Titans last

year. It was one week on practical wide. Then plays like, this dude is showing that He has the ability to fly this mercenary in, not only be a mercenary, but hey, this could be a guy who has like one of those backup rules. You know he's got a solidified backup role for here on out, like a Colt McCoy, like Chase Daniels, like those guys who will have a lengthy career as a backup because you know this dude can get the job done if the call calls for it. But he might be able to play himself into a starting role in the offseason, man. I can't wait for the overly direct take because you're touching on mine. Okay, okay. I'll slow it down.

You know, the boys in the back, you got Jack and Garrett, they're very close with Dobbs, and they obviously ride. They will ride to the death into the dark with Dobbs. And you love it because that's his boy for real. And you see him go and have a game like that. Like, I know it fires the boys up. It's fun to watch just because you know he's a good dude just having him on the bus. And you know he's kind of like that journeyman where he's trying to pick his shots.

Where should I go? You need personality too. I have a real shot, this and that. And, man, the reaction he got after the game from the locker room and everybody else. It's just a fucking cool moment to see. That is awesome. Jack, I mean, are you not smiling here to year? You're like our boy.

Yeah, I mean, it's awesome to see you guys finally buy into the theory of Josh Jobs. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. No, but here's what I want to say. Go watch Up and Adam, Taylor's over there like, Josh Jobs is the greatest quarterback. He's going to be a starter. This and that. There goes my way. We're jogging him this year.

There goes my own to. We'll get into. Here's what I'll say. I love it. But go back. Yeah, okay. Go back. Watch the film. Did you ever go back? Hang on. Let's wait. Now, this is a great conversation.

It feels like for the overly direct take. I had something I want to go with Jack, but apparently there's some other ammo going in. We'll wait. Let's wait for the overly direct take. I'm just happy that people are seeing his true character. Josh, outside of being a football player, Josh is a really good guy. He's a really intelligent human being and he cares a lot about football and people. So it's good to see like a good guy get his time. And he obviously played well in the first, what was the eight games with Arizona.

but didn't, they only got one win to come in and have this like historic kind of like starting career games. You see the video of him on the sideline like first quarter taking snaps with the center and the lineman because he's literally never taking a snap with him trying to get the cadence down.

Yeah, I think it was... That's heady ball, but he said. That's all I was saying a few minutes ago. That's awesome. I was giving a big flower. I'm super fucking stoked and proud for Josh Jobs. He deserves all of this. I hope that fucking the Titans are seeing this and realize

that they fucked up and we shouldn't have gotten rid of him. We should have fired Malie's ass. Hold on now. Josh almost wants a playoff game. But didn't make the playoffs. The Titans should be fired up about Will Levis. I feel you. Yeah, I'm with you. Before Levis, though. But you're saying

no doubt. Hindsight's 2020. They should have not gotten Malik? He's saying hindsight. The Highside should have let Malik go. Let Malik go, even though he draft him third round. That would have been a big move. It would have. Like, okay, we're kind of just giving up on this cat that we only threw in there a couple games. He's saying you let Malik go or you have them in there. You re-sign Dobbs, no matter what, has a backup behind Tana Hill. And then Malik falls a three on the depth chart. Then if you play

that game, you probably never draft Levis. Or maybe you do. And then, you know, then Dobbs might be, you know, who knows if they're playing Dobbs or Levis. Yeah. I don't know. You never know. You'll see Josh be bouncing around from team of team right now and have. And have. continued success, even though it might not reflect on the records. It's just cool to see a lot of people in the league rally behind him and him getting this moment in the spotlight where he, like you said, he's locked himself in for contracts as a backup and really, I mean, he's been in the league already seven years.

So it's probably going to be in the league for another five. I'd say at least just as a backup, if anything, just, yeah, he'll just can rely on him to if your guy goes down, he's going to come in and know the playbook. He's not going to do anything too crazy. so super happy for him and his success. Hopefully it just keeps going. If Dobbs does not become a full-time starter after this year, he has a role.

He's a Ryan Fitzpatrick guy. 100%. He can play 15, 16, 17 years. No problem. No problem. Dobbs is probably not a spiteful individual, but he's got to feel good after that game going and looking at what happened with the Browns

and the Cardinals in this game. I mean, they dummied. Cardinals got dummied again. And he's sitting there riding the highest of high. And the Vikings have a good fan base. They have a good fan base. base, that stadium gets loud, that stadium's up to date. Like, they do, they do well over there.

Yeah, you know, you know, you know, Dauves is probably in the mindset of he wants the Cardinals to do well. He didn't have the team around him. Like, if he wants to showcase what he's about, Vikings are a team that he can deliver to some guys because they have the talent, not only the talent, but a great coaching staff in O'Connell, West Phillips, the O.C. Those are great dudes. And like you just said, like the fan base, too.

It's like, you're in a way better situation. He's probably sitting in there thankful that he got the opportunity to do that and you kind of look back in the rearview and you're like, man, thank, you know, thank God. Because if he was, if he would continue starting for the Cardinals, like that's just not a good team. Like, yeah, they were tough in that first quarter,

but then you get figured out and everything else and it's kind of like, oh, shit, they're about to get rolled. It might have stunted his growth as a backup player in the league of being a guy that's like, oh, he is a serviceable backup. Yeah. You were going to say some, JP? I was just going to say it's going to be cool to watch him too

because you know Kirk Cousins is the type of guy that's going to be riding with him. And like, what better do to have help you learn the offense than Kirk Cousins? Yeah, you know Kirk was on the couch or the weekend yelling at the screen. Like, man, this is just unreal. And that's rare to go into that type of situation. You're looking at the Viking schedule right now. The next three weeks are winnable games.

Like, Josh Dobbs could be 4 and O as a starter. Could be. I mean, those are like, you know the NFL. Yeah, the NFL. Yeah, exactly. Broncos beat the Chiefs a couple weeks ago. I know. But if you're looking at these teams and just going, oh, yeah, he's got a shot to win these games.

Yeah. Absolutely. the Raiders now. Let's get into the Raiders a little bit because they're playing them the first week of December or second week? Oh, they must have a buy week. Yeah, they have a buy in between. They're playing them December 10th, but it's a great segue

into the Raiders. New, a new head coach, GM got fired. And then boys fucking put it on the Giants yesterday. Yeah, it's like people were saying like, oh, you beat the Giants. They're one of the worst teams in the league. And it truly did not matter who the Raiders were playing. The fact that they came out and played with that kind of energy,

Josh Jacobs was running like he loves to run the football versus like, you know, what calls? Like, we're not getting anything going. Devante Adams, we're talking about before the podcast. Yeah, he only had four receptions, 34 yards, I believe. Yep. But he's in the locker room after the game, and you see how connected these guys are to Antonio Pierce.

Like, when he's giving that speech, he's a raider guy through and through. The boys are smoking cigars in the locker room after a game. Wild. This isn't a team. Like, what's crazy is there one game, like, behind the, like, bills record-wise, which is wild to think about. I think of the year that the Raiders had.

But you let McDaniels go, and the team, like, played that way. They played that way. They played that. aggressive. They're up 24 to nothing at halftime. They had yet, I want to say they only put up 21 points against the Patriots. That's what the Max Crosby safety. So this offense is yet to put up over 20 points on the season. They put up over 20 points in the first half, bro. Like, they're flying around and playing. And again, yes, Giants are not that good of a football team. But it's the NFL. It does not matter. We saw it earlier. Broncos, Chiefs Laying Egg versus, or Chiefs

Lay an Egg versus the Broncos. Like, anything can happen in this league. And the fact And then they go, unless you go the next week and they win in Germany. Yeah. By seven, six, seven points? Yes. I mean. Yeah, I guess the high-powered dolphins. But yeah, man.

I mean, like, you know how it is. Like, I don't know if you, have you haven't had like a switchup in the middle of the year. Yeah. But maybe, I don't know if you've had a different play caller that comes in the middle of the year. We had Ken Wisenhunt to Mike Malarkey, 2015. We played Houston, Texas. We got dummy by like 50 to 14 or some crazy number like that. And then that night went to bed, woke up.

Malarkey is an interim head coach. Ken wasn't Hunt's out. And was everybody fired up? Guys were fired up. At that point, I was like still year two. Like my first full year of actually starting. And so I was like trying to figure myself up. But you look at the boys and Malarkey comes in and you know I'm not a fan of malarkey.

However, I thought he did a great job of like integrating fun at that point. He like brought a basketball hoop in. Hey, boys like we're shooting. If you can make three in a row, I'm giving you a hundred bucks right here out of my pocket. Like we're changing up the game plan. All this play calling was different. Yeah. We started running the ball more.

We started like. simplifying everything, and we went in that next game we played. We actually won against the Saints in overtime. And you're like, holy shit, we're going to be somebody. Didn't win a game the rest of the year. But like, you get a vibe like that. And we did not have near the team that the Raiders actually have. If you look at their team on paper, on paper, talk to bottom.

And you might not have like, you know, and I hated it too because we had a good time sit down with Coach McDaniels. And obviously you were like, we're boys to say, yeah. I love Zig. And but coming out of McDaniels, like, it seemed like they fired McDaniels and the team was like fired up, man. So you hate to see how much they hate him. But you knew, we knew that too.

You kind of knew. Because conversations. Yeah. In the off season, we knew like. Last year there were conversations. He's tough to, you know. And there's multiple guys in the Raiders that were kind of talking like that. Right.

And then you want to carry the optimism of you, you sit down and you have the podcast. And it's like, okay, maybe there's a personality shift. Some guys are a little bit more optimistic going into this year. But it seemed like the minute they let him go and they're riding with AP, Antonio Pierce, calling shots. It's like they get a new offensive play caller. They bench Garoppolo and go with O'Connell. And they're playing like that.

It's like, you know, who knows? Dude, and Pierce, too, being a Compton guy, like growing up with the Raiders, playing forever in the league and not playing for the Raiders, but always keeping an eye on the Raiders. Like, that's the kind of dude that, like, you want that. Yeah. To the silver and black. I wonder if he'll get a real shot at being the head coach afterwards. Time will tell.

You have to see the rest of the season. Because if they can muster up a winning record and show promise and they start giving Devante Adams the ball and they start giving Devante Adams the ball and they start putting points on the board and you see the guys, the vibes, the energy. Because I believe they have guys in the team like a Max Crosby that can go to ownership and be like, this is our guy. Maybe. We love them.

And that's a lot to put on Max. But I'm saying the sample size is beside you, right? Like, we won the back half of that season. Got into the playoffs. One seven games, I believe. And hopefully they don't make the same mistake. If players are standing on the table for Antonio Pierce, it's like hopefully the ownership does listen to that this time.

Take that into account. And you build off that because if not, you're taking another. shot on a completely new staff. Yeah. Trying to rebuild a different culture. That whole shift happens. And it just, that just happened with McDaniels.

You bring up a good point because I think McDaniels for the longest time has been a sought after assistant coaching job, like assistant coach to become a head coach. Obviously, we saw the things with the Colts that happened. And he had a stint at Denver, correct? Yeah. It didn't go very well.

But he, you know, he went back to the Patriots. He had a lot of success there. And all of a sudden his name starts resurging as, hey, this guy's learned a lot of things. He can go back and be a great head coach. I'm wondering,

after the end of the same, season because there's going to be multiple more fires. There's going to be a lot of guys that are available, maybe some college people that, you know, are going to, might go to the NFL, that type of thing where how big are the names where Raiders ownership is like, do we want to make a splash higher or do we want to keep building on what we have right here? And that's what they have to weigh. Yeah.

Because I feel like the Raiders fan base has a, they have the strongest fan base on the West Coast. Brand loyalty is crazy. So if you have a guy who bleeds silver and black and you see the improvement and you see the player saying this is our guy, it'd be very difficult as the owner to be like, no, we're going to do this anyway. Because you've got all the pieces. You've got good players in that locker room. You've got the new facilities. You're in a new place that a little, I was in Vegas two weeks ago. I saw three Max Crosby billboards. Like, they are, they're taking that town and they're really molding it into a football town, which is very cool. They just got to win games now to get that done.

Yeah. And so those are the pros and cons you have to weigh if you're evaluating that. Here's the optimism. I'll try and spin on like the McDaniel. Daniel's failure over the last couple times. Because I feel like it happens when any kind of Belichick disciple goes and they become a head coach outside of Vrabel. But Vraib was just a player. He didn't coach with him. He didn't coach with him.

This is worth Jack looking up to. I hate to coach you off. Can you look up how long Vrable was with the Patriots coaching coaching? I think it was really two years. I don't think he coached at all with Bray. I think he did he? I think Vraib went right into the linebacker job of the Ohio State. Then he goes to the Texans.

You're right. I think he's right. Goes from the linebarian coach to D.C. So really not a Bill Belichick tree. Right, right. But if you look at Patricia McDaniels, Bill O'Brien, Flores with Miami, because he was there before they fired him and then got McDaniels, right? Yes. Yeah, I feel like he was kind of screwed, though.

Flores? I think he could be a head coach. Potentially. Yeah, here's the optimism on the NFL too, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's the D.C. for the Vikings, and they got a good defense. Or wait, I'm slow to say that. They got a good philosophy on defense.

Yeah, because they were kind of struggling there early in the year. They don't have a good defense, but yeah, yeah, that was a bad take. But here was what I was going to say, optimism-wise, on hiring guys like that. When you look at the Bill Belcheck and the Patriot Way and everybody's like, doesn't work, doesn't not work, if you're hiring these coaches and they know of the Patriot way, right, and that's the culture you're wanting to build, these are coaches, I think, that have to have. And this is where it's like, I don't think we have that time anymore, but they need to have

four or five years. And the reason why is when you're going through all of these cultural, shifts, and it is a harder philosophy to play for as a player. You know it as a vet and everything else. Like, it is harder with you get these grown men on the board, especially if you don't have some of the best players of all time playing on your team that are already setting that example with Tom Brady, Grunk, and everybody else. If these coaches are going to get a real chance with the Patriot Way and everything else, you almost need a full shift of a roster to where the guys who are going into year four and five, kind of like a college, they don't know any different of the

philosophy that's being taught around the league. Like, you kind of have your draft picks, You've got to hit on your draft picks, and you've got to like slowly but surely, not like weed out, but you got to weed out the guys that don't buy in. And you almost need that fourth and fifth year to really show the development of that philosophy. Because again, you're going to have guys that don't know any different. Yeah. You know what I mean? I understand what you're saying. Because when you got the pushback within one, year two, it's just going to be, you know, you're either going to buy in or there's going to be a lot of friction.

But the ownership is going to have to trust that, hey, this is going to be a five-year plan no matter what. That's my only optimistic spin on a McDaniels, on all these cats who've gotten, who've kind of failed at going at the head coaching world. And yeah, Brian Flores kind of got a, he didn't get a real fair shake at Miami because I agree with you. But it's like those, that's what you kind of have to look at. They touch on the Patriot way and the coaching secretary way and the coaching secretary in there. I think Bill O'Brien was with the Houston Texans for what, seven, eight years.

He, maybe not that long, but he was there for a while. They're able to go. AFC divisional game. They played the Chiefs there. They got beat up in that game. But they were making playoffs. They were owning, they owned the AFC South for a while. How long was that?

Yeah, he got a lot of time. Yeah, that's fair. That's a good point. He got six years right there. Here's my problem with your spin. If you have a franchise that's hurting, and I'm not saying the Raiders are hurting, but just take a franchise that's the Broncos and you need to get, let's say you should fire Sean Payton.

And you're as an ownership group saying, we're going to give you four to five years. The average in the league for a player is two years in the NFL. Doubling that plus is very hard to do for a coaching staff to really see the end result. it's really hard to like to justify that four or five years is a long time to prove yourself I understand that a little more in the college because you're recruiting developing guys and then you you know you're getting those that first recruiting classes as seniors and four or five years down the road but with NFL it's like there's so much uh changing like the roster changes like you know 50 60 70 percent sometimes where you can in one year get the players

in there and if your philosophy is good your play calling is good and you and you let the players know the rules, then you're into a situation where now you've flipped it in one, two years. But it's really difficult to do four or five years. No, I agree with you. That was just my, like, optimistic spin about the whole thing. Because at the end of the day, you look at the Belichick, the Belichick way, the Patriot way and everything else.

Bill Belichick's like, arguably the greatest coach of all time. I think he... I'm thinking about Lombardi. I'm thinking about other guys. I'm thinking right now he's like the best coach. I mean, you could argue Andy Reid, but he had, you had Tom Brady, who is the goat. You brought up at drunk.

Like you have, you have guys that truly, like, Tom, Tom, we've seen, we've seen, like, the sample with him, like, talking about it. Like, the dude was obsessed. Like, he was a guy who could be coached hard in the meeting room in front of everybody else. And he's somebody that, like, was locked in all year round and went by the Belichick way. But that was also his way of, like, you got to work. You got to play.

You got to show up. You got to do this first and last out. Like, your best player, who happens to be the best player of all time, is doing that and setting the tone for, you know, who might be hung over every now and then, but you know him coming in. Here's how you work with Gronk. Here's how I can get this out of Edelman. Yeah, Edelman's a hard worker.

Like, these are your best players being the example. The best thing to happen to the Patriots is obviously Tom Brady. But Tom Brady getting picked in the late sixth round. Did that too? 1-99. Because I feel like if Tom might have not had that same mindset, his rookie year if he was a first round pick, shit don't stink. I'm the guy, blah, blah, blah.

He came in third, fourth and the depth chart. and literally had to buy into the Patriot Way being like, I got to stick to a roster here. And then he gets in there, and the formula just ends up working, and he takes off from there and becomes the Tom Brady we all know and love today. Literally, Tom Brady is a Georgia boot.

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Nebraska and Michigan doesn't get to play next year. Georgia Boot versus Ariott. Some random other boot company. Yeah, we could do that. I mean, why not? That is, but you look back at Tom Brady when I was watching the Michigan versus Purdue game. Like, JJ didn't have the best game in the world, but he passed Tom Brady in yards already as a junior. Really?

Started for two years. Or his first full year starting was last year. And so Tom, what he was able to do at Michigan wasn't that, it wasn't a dude where you were like, this game would be the greatest dude of all time. Oh, for sure. I mean, he was like a late round pick. I think he was competing a lot for his job each year. Yeah, who was ahead of him? Who did he split time with?

Bill, um, what was his name? Drew Bledso. That was at the Patriots, but. That's my bad. My bad. I'm saying, yeah. Yeah, I'm saying that his Michigan career. Like, he wasn't like the guy for, you know, multiple years.

Yeah, he was like always competing. Stud, man. Stud. And he's just got it about him now. Yeah, he does. Brian Greasy and Drew Henson. Drew Henson. He was the one that played baseball.

Did you Henson go to the league? No, I think he chose to go play MLB. Go play MLB. I think. And then he maybe came back to NFL, tried to. God. Now that we're on Michigan, let's talk. There's been some changes at Michigan.

Connor Stallions. He got fired. He resigned, whatever you want to say. No, he resigned. He resigned, which is huge. is if you resign, your benefits are gone. If you get fired, there's a, there's a time where you get benefits. They used him up the way they knew how.

No, he, he's loyalty. He's a pro, but also a con. He's a patriot. He's a Marine. And he literally sacrificed himself. He jumped on the grade or good. Regardless of whether the grenade's real or not. He refused to cooperate with NCAA or Big Ten. He resigns and essentially said anything that you guys find

that would be quoted illegal was me and no one else Michigan's back Michigan's back only never happened and Michigan's 1-0 without an asterisk right now I want to be without an asterisk. No, that's false. It's in my bad that I think it's going to hurt Michigan that they don't have Connor on that sideline. Down the road, we're going to see this weekend.

You got to talk to this weekend is everything we need to see. You need it because there's, when you look at statistically, it's like it was what, the 120th, Michigan? against like the 120th toughest schedule in college. 112. 112. You know what Georgia's is? I don't care about it.

I think Georgia is beatable as well. Yeah. Georgia almost got snucked by Mizzou, which we called. They might get, who does Georgia play this week? Tennessee. Tennessee. I think Tennessee can. We play Mizzu this week.

We played Georgia at the following. Who's Georgia had this week? Maybe they have a buy. They're off. Yeah, maybe they have a buy and then the Newark's games, Tennessee. But yeah, Tennessee can beat Georgia, man. Like, Georgia's not an untouchable. Play Ole Miss.

Oh, Miss could sneak them. Ole Miss is like classic sneak team in the SEC. I know, but I feel like they always do this little run to where they get close to the top 10 and then something happens and they just don't, if it just doesn't get them over the edge. Ole Miss is not there to win championships.

Ole Miss is there to ruin championships. Yeah, that's not what their program is based on. They're there to tailgate, have Kiffin as their head coach, a tweet out every so often throughout the year and just ruin somebody's chances at a college football playoff. I agree.

I know. Georgia's, they don't have like the toughest schedule. I, yeah, I don't disagree with that. That's what I'm saying. I think this weekend, it's good that you guys are playing Penn State. This is a, you know, although Penn State, I do think they had a great win against Maryland, like putting up 50 plus on Maryland, holding them the 17. Maryland had negative 51 rushing yards at one point.

Yeah. You know, if they figured it out a little bit more on offense with the play calling and situational ball, this is going to be a great game this weekend. I'm fired up to watch it. I really am fired up to watch. Right now, Michigan is favored at minus four and a half. Over under is 44.5 points. Yeah, that'll be a fun game.

That'll be a great game. Great game to see. And to go ahead and help you out with your argument about Michigan missing Conor Stalions, Michigan, first week, first week we gave up more than seven points in the game. Last play, last offensive play they had was like fourth and five. Yeah, they didn't cover. They didn't cover. It's true.

They didn't cover. Yeah, 13. The Purdue scored 13 points. Same amount they scored against Nebraska. Was it 30? I think they scored 14. It was 31 13. Nebraska versus Purdue.

I looked it up during the game once they scored 13. I didn't. To make sure. Oh, yeah. See, look, 14. Oh. Because my boy, Sims got in there for one play and fumbled it and they took it to the house. No shit.

Like, damn it, dude. Yeah. Well, if you, if Nebraska could win the national championship, if you took the Connor Stallion's route. Nobody ever knew that you were doing it, but you had to go in and you knew that you were cheating and you were stealing signs. But it meant Nebraska gets a national championship,

would you do it? No, no. He is lying. Will Compton is lying. I think that would come out at some point in time. No, no, but this is hypothetical. I make the rules. It doesn't come out.

It never comes out for the rest of time. No. Will. National glory, bro. The only thing Will is doing right now is trying to show that he's a good person. Yeah. No, no, not the whole good. At the end of the day, this stuff came out.

So now that, like, once it comes out, then you have an opportunity to either stand on that or go the other way. It's like Connor resigning, Connor getting fired, whatever, resigning for the benefits thing. This shows that Connor's like, yes, this was happening. Because of not, he doesn't, he doesn't leave. You're looking at a guy, I'm glad you brought that up. You're looking at a guy who has bled blue his entire. higher life. He's obsessed. He was at the Marines talking about how he wants to be a Michigan coach someday. He would do anything for the University of Michigan. He's, he has not been proven

to do anything wrong yet. He gets, he gets suspended with pay because Michigan didn't think he did anything wrong. Now Michigan is in all the mainstream media. Everyone's talking trash about Michigan. So what does Connor do? He resigns to take himself out because he doesn't want to be a distraction to his true love, which is the University of Michigan Wolverines football team. That is, a good man because nothing's been proven yet. And because everybody's watching Michigan so closely, every win they have has zero asterisk on it. Okay.

Either way, this is positive because I hope they don't get postseason punishment and all that stuff now. Because it's just going to be a benefit because even though you say there's no asterisk, there's no asterisk that ever really gets put on anything. like a public opinion of this asterisk is going to be there for the rest of time. That is the upside of them. The upside is you get the national opportunity to win a Natty. And so Big Ten, being a Big Ten guy, get to claim Big Ten, like, oh, Natty's with us.

But when you get to play, you also get the benefit of this is an Astrox football team who wants. So I get to argue with the boys and say, oh, no, Big Ten, we're the best, we're the best. But then when it comes to actually talk to Michigan. Yeah, actually Michigan Ball, there's a lot of Michigan ball. and asterisk now, that is for the rest of time. And I think it's beneficial because I do think they need to win the Natty. But it's also a good thing, too, because like, let's let them into the college football playoff and see what happens again.

I agree with everything you said for different reasons. They go win the national championship. It's massive for the Bayton. The Big Ten needs this more now than ever. Yeah, we got the, we got the trope. And if Michigan is the team that's going to represent in the college football playoffs, then everybody, including Ohio State, including Michigan State, including Nebraska, everybody needs to get behind Michigan.

No, that's not how that. works. No, get behind, all right, sorry, I won't say Michigan. Get behind the Big Ten representative in the cultural ball playoff. Oh, I've always been that way. Yes. And I agree with you. Now, here's where I think it's a pro. Because the public opinion is going to be, everything's an asterisk. That means we get to reload even faster next year with that chip on the shoulder. And that is fantastic. Because now you're not going to sit there and be like, oh, we're national championships, we can relax. Now you get to go in the off season and all the boys be like, they all think it was fake. Time to prove them wrong again. So now we're talking

about a two-peat, boys. We're talking about a two-peed in the first week of November. I love that optimism, but here's my question to you. Say they drop a game. Say they'll lose this weekend to Penn State. And then say Ohio State beats them. They're a two-lost team. They don't get in the college football playoff. Ohio State then becomes a college football playoff team. You're screaming supporting Ohio State. I'm supporting the Bayton representative in the college football playoffs. Yes, that will not change for me. Okay. Because- I just want to make sure you're rooting for the Scarlet. Like you will be-I'm rooting for the Bay-10 representative. You're rude, but you'll be publicly like, no, we want Ohio State. You'll be saying,

we want Ohio State to win. I'll probably say that, yeah. Okay. I just want to make sure. I want to have the availability to retract if I want. No, no, this is, you get the thing about it now.

That's why I said probably. You're a Michigan man. Michigan man. That if Michigan is not in the college football playoffs. I would not say I'm a Michigan man because I don't need these kids. I have not represented Michigan the way Michigan would like to be represented in the past.

What do you mean by that? Elaborate. Legal problems. PED. overly aggressive with flags. Those are all things that Michigan, I wouldn't expect them to stand by. But you don't have to expect them to stand by,

but you can still die for your maize and yellow. You know what I mean? You just said yellow twice, maize and blue. Maze is yellow. Okay, maize and blue. Corn is the number one export of Nebraska. You're right. You're right, you're right. Best thing we have coming out, arguably volleyball team.

But the maize and blue, you can still die on the hill for the maize and blue while still saying, guys, I understand if you don't want to back me on this, I've done a lot of things. Not I can kind of change it all now because you feel like you're not being accepted by the maize and blue. You know what I mean? No, I just, I don't say I'm a Michigan man

because I feel like I didn't do enough myself. You feel like you didn't earn the ability to say I'm a Michigan. That's more accountability on myself of being like, yeah, your boy was out there punching Ohio State fans. After Ohio State game, we lost when we went for two, we should have got that and won the game. But we didn't. Now you're going to come around and be like,

I'm going to support Ohio State because I didn't. represent Michigan the right way back. I'm going to support the Bay 10 representative in the college football game. I'm not going to say, go Scarlet and Gray, go Buckeyes. But you have to say go Buckeyes if they're in the Natty.

No, I'm going to sit there. I'm going to be excited for a Big Ten to represent the college football playoff. And I'm going to hope that team wins. And then I'm going to, because that's what the whole game is. We're in the Game of Thrones. Where essentially we have to beat the Whitewalkers out there.

Right. We have to beat the Whitewalkers, the SEC. And once we do that, we can go fight these wars again. But to beat the Whitewalkers, you've got to uni up. Yeah,

and here's what I'll say about Ohio State. You got to uni up. You're going to have to wear a Scarlet. No, no. Here's what I'll say about a house state. I genuinely respect Ohio State. I genuinely do. I like the back and forth.

I like the, you know, with Ev and Mitch, even though Mitch is so fair whether it's kind of hard to argue with him. But like Big Ev, him and I, we have a little bet on the game

that we went over on Twitter. Like if he gets to do, I don't know, something at my house, whatever, but they're not. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I remember seeing it.

And if not, he's got to sing the fight song. He hates Michigan because I went one in three versus Ohio State and they had the talent to beat us. I have a lot of respect for Ohio State. I have respect for Ohio State. Michigan State, even though I still went one and three against up Michigan State, I don't have respect for that school. I think they're nasty.

I think the people talk super nasty on Twitter. And I know Ohio State people do too, but I think there's a difference because I think the talent level on Ohio State is a resource. respectable school that I can sit there and be like, yeah, it's a good, it's a good ball club. And if they do beat Michigan, then they represent the team and the conference in the Bay 10 playoffs or the National Football playoffs, then it's like, let's get this trophy back to the Big Ten and then let's go fight these wars. Because once we win it, we can all go back to hating each other.

It's the same thing I would want Ebb to do for me when Michigan inevitably is the national That doesn't do that. Ed doesn't do that because you wanted Ebb to pull for Michigan. Yeah, Ev doesn't do that because he didn't play the game. He doesn't he he he doesn't understand well oh no Taylor he don't understand I think I think I think he's fighting different battles because one he's got Dave ortonoy is he'll he would he doesn't want Ohio State to win nothing the real rival if you if we say if on this bus the tier one God tier rivalry in college in sports is the game then there's no there's no room for

respecting the team. There's no room for ever feeling like. I disagree for a couple reasons. I am not. You can disagree. I'm just saying. Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying.

I also disagree because the end of it, the fan you're talking to you right now is like we've said on this bus, a first time fan. I haven't been in a massive support of Michigan for a long time until these last couple of years. Really this. Don't you think you'd want to take on the fandom that represent your school? No,

because I see a F be putting a blender on 24-7. I support the shit out of Michigan. I'm going to do everything I can to help Michigan win the national championship, whether it's on the bird, calling people, hey, what do you need me to do? I will absolutely do that. I think for the greater good. Because I'm not looking at this year. I'm not looking at 203 only.

I'm looking at the whole 20s. I'm looking at the 30s. That's what I'm after. That manifesto. Yeah, absolutely. There should be a manifesto. There is. Every team should have a manifesto on how to essentially control their conference.

How do you think America's been great for so long? A manifesto? Yes. A manifesto looking into the future. This is what we're going to do the next four years during. this presidency, boom, new president comes in. Where's the manifesto? What are we going to do?

That's what we got to do at Michigan. Now, I think Michigan wins. Yeah, yeah, y'all got it figured out. Yo, you got to figure it out. That resigning doesn't happen unless, like, that manifesto prepares for a situation like that. This is next man on mentality. Who's the next counterstallions in the room? You don't think he's got some communication going.

He does more damage. I said this in my video. This man probably does more damage outside those walls than inside. Like, you got, this was like, okay, next step. Where's it at in the manifesto? Right. Oh, Connor, go ahead and resign. This is all part of the plan.

This is all part of the plan. I think if you look back at when we were at Barstall H.Q last November, was it? When we were doing the telethon and then trying to get, we were trying to get them all on board. Dave said the same thing. He said he would support Ohio State if they're in the college football playoffs. Yeah, but he's trying to get F. He's trying to get F on board. Right.

But words were still said. Yeah. I'm just saying words right now. I'm not, I'm not going to. I'm not going to put Ohio State T-shirt on and say, go Buckeyes. I will say, hope the Big Ten representative wins. We will make that shirt. We will make that shirt of Michigan's not the close of the law.

But here's the thing, though. What comes along with that, what we were trying to do, what I was trying to do as well. We want the Big Ten to feel like the best conference, but to do that, you need to get that team to win. Yeah. So you need to say, it's almost like, hey, we need the Buckeyes to win. I'm saying the same thing you are. I know, but you don't want to go as far. saying the Buckeyes winning coming out of your mouth.

This is essentially Talladega nights. We're talking about crepes or really thin pancakes. I'm just saying really thin pancakes. I don't want you to break my arm. I'm going to say I like really thin pancakes. And now that's it. Move on. We've said the same thing here.

Yeah, yeah. I'm just doing it in a way where I can still have some dignity at the end of this. I don't know, man. I just think it's a tough look. That's all right. Not rooting against Ohio State. I guarantee if Iowa was in a position that Michigan, Ohio State were, you would do the same thing.

Because you understand the greater good issue. I know. I know the games that go on up in this head. I would not do the Iowa. And your head? In your head? Games that go up in your head. Yeah, I'm saying I know I would not do the Iowa.

Like, just because I'm doing it with Michigan, like, that's not. But you wouldn't want the Bayton representative to win. It's not going to happen anytime soon. It doesn't matter. I was never going to be in a national championship. So it literally such an easy argument from, no, I would never. Because it's never going to happen. Iowa, yeah, I agree.

I don't think if I was. ever going to be. Now while there's red on the other side of that border. Iowa will never have a chance to win the national title. Iowa, the best shot they have is essentially a big thin championship every year. Yeah. Because that's the positive.

Do we want to get into our overly direct takes? Yes, but we can do overly direct takes. As soon as that's over, we need to talk about, unfortunately, Nebraska situation. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get in a little bit. All right, let's move on to the overly direct take presented by DirecTV.

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No, you go first. My overly direct TV take, Nebraska will still be an indie for the Big Ten championship. Look. No, no, no, we'll unpack that. Let me just say mine and then we'll just start doing because mine's not going to to be like that. Okay.

My overly direct take is Josh Jobs will be a started quarterback in the national football league, whether it's for the Vikings or so many else, 2024 season. Okay. We'll get to unpack that. The boys will all get the good back in that one. Right. Nebraska. Pull up the, pull up.

Yeah. Just pull up whatever I need to see to. The loss of the Michigan State. That's the bad news. Like the bad news is we lost to Michigan State. They have one win. We lost an inferior team. We lost.

That's a very bad loss. That is a bad look. We went in, trap game. They trapped us. They beat us. And I will say that. Their trick plays, they did a great job. If anybody, did anybody watch that game in succession?

I don't think it was on. Dean Blandino. Oh, it was on, FS1, FS1, Fox Sports. You don't have to go to the Big Ten or FS2 or ESP and the Ocho. This was an FS1 game. Dean Blanino and that crew, I mean, I'm not going to say the rest, I'm not ever going to blame a full result on the reps, ever. But they damn near cost us.

You could make an argument that they cost us that game. When you look at just the last play of the game, his arm is going forward. Dean Blanino always says, yes, that's an incomplete pass. But the fact that we're driving and getting in position to tie this game and then going to O team probably win, his arm is going forward, but they rule it a fumble. And for that point, the clock is running.

We're out of timeouts. Did you see that PI? Was that the PI? Hey, hang on, okay. Time out, time out. The first time out is O for two and third down. Hey, throws that. Okay, okay, that was bad.

That was a bad. Look, I'm sitting there, I'm like, oh, for the love of God. Like, thank God I'm not a gun owner, because I would off myself after that throw right there. Who's he thought it to? What PI are you talking about? But that's not the PI one. And number one, we're in the first quarter right there. If you actually look at the throw, you're throwing an interception inside.

the five-yard line. That's just good of a punt. We're playing the field position game because the black shirts need to get rolling. Michigan said had a great disposal, a great bag of trick plays, which kept them in the game and ultimately won the game. But if you look at this PI call that we had, which was insane, insane that it didn't get called. And that last play of the game, when the clock is now running, everybody has to run to the line and then they have to just hurry up and snap it and try to like throw a last play. The game is they, you know, they storm the field, I believe. I don't think they storm the field. But everybody basically shakes hands and goes off. Like if you go to two plays before that,

they should, they should not have, it should have been an incomplete pass and a stop clock. Is this the play? No, defense still holds up. That was a, that was like,

I looked at Charles like, it's over. It's over. Don't worry about the PI call. Just go to the end of the game. Keep going. Based off everything you just said, I would be equally as hot. Yeah, if you're taking that,

if you're taking that true, but that really is. I know I'm insane, saying that they're, being there in the big time. Then you should just end right there. You should just stop. Hey, here it is.

There it is. That y'all? Watch. All went backwards. Right. All we got to do is get in field goal position. How much time is on the car? Look, we had to rush to the line of scrimmage because they didn't review the play.

And Dean Blaine, they're sitting there watching it. And he goes, you know, he had like a little grin. Like, yeah, it is. That is an incomplete pass. I don't know how they missed that one. It's just unbelievable. hurts. And that really bothered me. Because number one, we shouldn't have been in that situation because we should have handled Michigan State, which is tough. But the good news is, and the reason

we could still be standing in Indy for the Big Ten championship, Minnesota lost. Now, what sucks is we don't control our own fate like we did last week. Because Minnesota lost to Illinois, and here's what we need, Minnesota's not going to beat Ohio State. We also need Wisconsin to beat Minnesota. However, all we basically need, need is we got to win our next three one game at a time. And if Minnesota drops to, which we are assuming Ohio State, but they also lose last week to Wisconsin, which can happen, we're in the Big Ten championship. So that's why I have that overly direct take. That is a bad loss against Michigan State. I'm not running from that. That is a very tough loss. I wanted to off myself.

But Minnesota lost, Wisconsin lost, we are still in it. It's not over. We ain't here no fucking Bell. So that's my overly direct take. That wasn't even one of those. But I heard you. And brother. Yeah, you guys should have beat. How much time was in the clock before that incomplete pass happened? Yeah, I was like, we had

to move. We legit, we had to move. It was a game on the 20 yard line, correct? It was all hands on deck. Should have never been in that situation. 13 seconds. I just want to know where they were on the field. We were on like the 45, our own, 45 or 40. Yeah, maybe 35, probably not.

Yeah, our own 45. So you essentially have to get 30 yards in 12 seconds. I mean, you got two plays to get 20 yards to get... Your kicker missed a field goal. You still have a chance. It's not like I'm going to sit here. Okay, we have to make sure he makes this field goal. I'm just trying to think statistically, like how much of a bit, like,

yeah, it's a big deal. They should have absolutely reviewed it. Either way, it should have definitely been an incomplete pass. Yeah, I agree. What down was it when they did that? And I'm not, again, there's a PI that you, I know you'd agree with. I'd like, that's not the delusional part talking. 19 seconds, 17 seconds, 16 seconds, 15 seconds, 14 seconds, clock down.

Okay. Still running. Do they bang a time out here? Do they, why didn't they clock it then? Second down. You have nine seconds left. You can only time you don't clock is if it's less, three seconds or less. You guys are downfield.

I mean, at this point, people on the sideline are young review that. You got to review that. Like, it was all, it was chaos the whole time. Yeah, I mean, I guess we can't go back in time. That sucks. And I'm sorry. Again, I'm not saying we win that game. We should have never been in that spot in the first place.

Who's a team that you've been talking about has been sneaky good this year? Maryland. I know. But that's great news that they're not the first five, five and O team, Maryland. That's good news because they're beatable this week. They're beatable. And then Wisconsin. Who they lost to?

They lost to Ohio State. Wisconsin's got their backup quarterback in there. They're not. That's a winnable game. Yeah. Tough game, yes, but winnable at Memorial Stadium. So you have to go undefeated and a couple things have to happen. Yeah, the biggest thing we need.

As long as we go undefeated, it's all about Minnesota. Minnesota has, I think they have, who they have this week? Rutgers. Oh, Purdue. Purdue, Ohio State and Ohio State and Ohio State's going to be Purdue. Minnesota's going to lose Ohio State. I think the game's closer than anything because it's right before the game. Right, could be trap game mentality

Who needs a win between Wisconsin, Minnesota? We need Wisconsin to win. Yeah. Yeah, I think they go two and one in that situation. I mean, that's assuming we take care of business. You're essentially relying on a hockey school to get you in the Big Ten championship. Wisconsin? Oh, yeah, we're relying on a hockey school to loot.

Yeah, yeah, okay, I get what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we need Minnesota because we lost that home opener against them. And you got to beat Iowa who's got a stingy defense. Stangy, but we beat them last year. Yeah. Yeah, with a lesser team. Which might be the bad thing. No, no, no, we got to get on a run.

They beat us six years in a row. We got to chalk this up. We got to get a street going. I like it. Michigan lost Ohio. That's my take. Two out of 20 years. Diving in your take and going off Jack's point a little bit wild that you're like,

this is a starting quarterback in the NFL. I think he has the opportunity to be a starting quarterback in the national football league. He's smart enough for him to digest enough of the plays, essentially getting in on Tuesday, not expecting the play, then playing, and then everything that led up, he has the ability to do that. And I think if you look back to our clips, you would say that I've never said anything to the contrary.

Yeah, I was going to say, Jack, speaking for myself, I was never like he's not a good quarterback. None of us ever said that. Neither of you said he was a bad quarterback, but you both were very headstrong on him being like, you know. More about more about... It wasn't wrong about the Cardinals are. Yeah, more about the Cardinals being bad.

Because this conversation has come up enough times where you kind of remember. And that was weeks ago. That was the beginning of the year of September. Right. But the whole praise thing on that, especially are you saying, it's almost like last week you alluded to

Purdy not being a starting quarterback. But by one game of Dobbs, you're like, this is a starting quarterback in the NFL. What I said about Purdy is the information I got is he's not the guy. I'm giving somebody else's opinion that wants to stay anonymous. But what is your opinion? My opinion about Purdy?

Yeah. Don't know enough about ball. don't know enough about Purdy. It seems like he had a couple injuries. He has enough people around him where they shouldn't have dropped three. Absolutely under no circumstance for the talent they have in that roster

shouldn't have dropped three. But if I'm going to argue the point of the person that told me these things, I would argue the defense hasn't showed up in those three games either when usually... It doesn't matter. The other person's opinion that's, we're like this is like us talking.

You know what I mean? It's like if you're going to say Dobbs is a starting quarterback and you say there's not a, there's not enough sample size on Purdy when Purdy's, like Dobbs goes into a good offense. Purdy goes into a good offense. De Thrones a first round draft pick and has played well. Yeah, the last three weeks for sure.

Concussion stuff up there. He didn't, he hadn't played well since he kind of got knocked on the noggined. Yeah, got dinged. That's where it's like, if I listen to Jack being like, you know, now you want to sing his praises, it's if you're comparing those two, you sound more like Josh is the guy, he's got it. But then on the other side with Purdy, who has who has the resume that he shows like this, a guy who wins you games. Wends you games.

Yeah. And is a starting quarterback in the NFL. I think there's three different, there's two different conversations that you're grouping together right now. The first conversation is Jack and I, Jack thinking I went after Josh Dobbs when essentially I was shitting on the Cardinals. The second conversation is my third party I've spoken to about Brock Purdy. And under no circumstances have I brought together Brock Purdy and Josh Dobbs and be like,

compare these two. guy's got it and this guy doesn't. I was going under the, the, my third party, talking about Brock Purdy, not being the guy. He has literally said, there's enough of a sample size out there now to where people know how to beat Brock Purdy. He's not the guy. It's going to continue to go this way. He's actually said to me as well that Sam Donald is going to end up being the star at the end of the year, the 49ers. That's what he said. I don't know that, but I do know the reason why I'm able to separate those two things is because I've been in a room with Josh Dobbs. I saw the way he played on a short week with the Titans against Dallas.

I see the way his brain works, how smart he is, and the it factor comes from essentially having all the chip stacked against you and you're thrown into the fire halfway through the first quarter away. That shows me that you have enough if you're able to do it consistently to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. That's what I see. Now, X is and O's and all that. I'm not an OC.

And that's where I essentially take a step back because then I start saying things that, then I start turning into a Stephen A. Smith or I start turning into a guy that is on TV every single day that has to have to take. When I'm not ready to just soil Brock Purdy, I'm just saying what I've been told. But I'm saying the energy of bringing the third party thing when Brock Purdy's down right now, like they've dropped three in a row versus Dobbs comes in and does a phenomenal job. It's the energy feels like Dobbs has it and then Purdy doesn't have it because you just want to deliver the information versus like he's down right now. One mouth giving that information, two different opinions.

One mouth giving. I'm the one saying both those things, but I've already been clear that that's not my opinion about Brock Purdy. Right, but that's the thing. What is the opinion about Brock Purdy? My opinion is he should, he probably shouldn't have dropped three with the amount of talent he had, even with Debo Samuel and Trent Williams out.

However, you brought up a good point about him getting his head. He comes back this week. I think they win this game. Who they're playing? They're playing, uh, fuck, I just looked it up too.

A tough game, Jacksonville. Jacksonville, six and two, versus five and three. But, I think this is Bounce Back City. Do you think so? Man, I was looking at this game too. Like, to me, Jags are in their form or getting in their form,

whereas San Frans dropped a couple. So if they, it's like if they won, it's one of those things where it's not going to surprise you if the 49ers come back rolling, right? Because they finally had a buy week. CMC's getting healthy. Who's coming on the show, by the way? Shout out CMT.

Yeah, I think that's tough. And it's at Jacksonville. Debo State's coming back too. Jacksonville's not a difficult place to play. Well, the biggest issue. there is the humidity. Yeah, but you still got to travel across the country. That is true.

That is true. Travel across the country. Duval, they're excited. They're getting in it. They got a quarterback rolling. We got a good ball club. But I think Debo coming back, and I'm pretty sure Trent's coming back this game too. So you're going back at full power.

Yeah. So I think early, without looking to the game a whole lot, we'll have to find out and slip some picks when we're doing a giveaway this coming Thursday. I'll have my opinion on that. But I look at that right now on a Monday when we're shooting this. I'm thinking, okay, 49ers seem like they are ready to get back. soundtrack. C.J. Stroud. Yes. Yes. King, bro. What do you know, five tetties? Five todies over 400 yards? Four and like 70. You saw Baker Mayfield after the game when he's talking. Like, he's like,

you know, I mean, you're him. Like, hell of a job. I don't know if he said you're him, but he's literally praising him like, man, weight of battle. Because you're Baker Mayfield. Like, you did, that offense did everything they could to win that game, right? You put up 30 points, 30, whatever they put up. You put up 30 points. The NFL. You put up. should win the game. Yeah, you should win the game. C.J. Strau, just incredible, man. Yeah.

What were you going to say? I was just going to say, because if they don't complete that touchdown pass, Baker Mayfield had a game-winning drive that was incredible. Yeah. And it's a whole different, the whole narrative right here is different. The pitch, was that a cold play? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't think it was either. And so that, this play alone with Singletary and he's running out and he sees him, he tosses it out, that gives me Patrick Mahomes. Travis Kelsey vibes. Not saying Singletary is going to be his Travis Kelsey, but like, the confidence in the idea of like, fuck it.

We're just going to end up doing this. I think it's going to pay off dividends for C.J. Stroud. I think he's going to be the fucking, he's going to be the dude. Yeah, man. He's awesome. And if you guys think that...

He's South, dude. They're also young at quarterback now. Anthony Richardson, if he can stay healthy, Trevor Lawrence, he's crushing at 6 and 2 at Jacksonville. CJ Stroud, they're only 4 and 4, but like, literally, we started this year saying Houston's dead.

they're fucking dead. And then Will Levis, obviously not as good of a game. The second start is at his first start, but like the dude's showing his confidence. And Will Levis played, I think Will Levis played awesome because you were going against a front that actually can come after you. Like Falcons, they do a great job statistically getting after the, getting after the passer. But it's more scheming blitz. Right, right, more scheming blitzes.

And they didn't really do a good job of that against the Titans. You go and play Pittsburgh at Pittsburgh when they needed that game and you got T.J. Y, Y, Hysmith, Cam Hayward was back You got all these guys coming after you He sat in there And it was dealing a little bit I man that game winning drive My parley

If he goes game winning drive The Diop the parley hits We're all I was fired up I know I couldn't imagine I know I saw you took D hop in that And there was one

Where he was wide open in the end zone I know And he like threw it down Checked it down And I was like fuck I know Will's heat Oh I know I know I like Will though

I think he's gonna be good And you're right That division is gonna be so fun That's a guy too I think I said he's going to be a bust. Who? I think I said, Will Levis is going to be a bust.

I said the big cat before PMT. I didn't even say it on the mic. Oh, because then he was like, I can't say that because he's a PMT guy. Like he's a boy. He's a boy. He's a stoolie.

They're saying. I can't brush over the fact that the Texans had that wide receiver kick a 35-yard field. Oh, seven years in the league. I mean, guys are on. How old are you playing through? I think it was 30 or 35. Yeah, nuts.

Three points. This isn't an extra point. tight game. Yeah. Look at this. 30 to 30, bro. 21 yarders? Okay.

No. And it's kind of on the hash, too. I mean, I think that was on the hash too, wasn't it? Or was that in the middle? I don't know. I just read that. We're on the hash. For the three.

That is wild. That's awesome. Man. Yeah, that has to feel so good. Like, look at it. That's a little. That is cool. Yeah.

And that pisses me off, though. That C.J. Strata is that good. Because Ohio State, I know. No, no, no, because of Texans. Yeah, I mean. You finally look into a place where like, all right, Texans are going to be down for a while. Colts are going to be down for a while.

We'll see Trevor Lawrence had a good gear last year, but who really knows? This can really be the Titans thing. And it's like, three years from now, this is the craziest division. Yeah, it really is. And for people tuned in, whether you're tuned in for Max, CMC, if you're new, whatever, we had C.J. Stroud on a couple weeks ago and just, he's got me. I'm a fan of his. Yes.

I'm sitting there in that game. Like I'm wanting my bet to hit because I had the bucks that game. But watching CJ, you just don't want to root against them. You're just like, man, I hope he plays well. And that dude, 475 touchdowns? I'm excited. 475 touchdown.

You know what I mean? There's a space and there's not letting anything brush over. There's a space there, right? JP's like he's the king instigator. Even when I was going through the whole Michigan-Ohio-Haw state thing, he's in the back. Every time I would glance this way, he'd be like... You saw his, if you look, you can kind of see.

He has those tweets every now and then. He had somebody on the plane, on the guy in the back, ready for the chaos. This is me just hoping chaos happens all the time. He's comfortable in chaos. Comfortable. That's a good quality to have. That's a very good quality to have.

He knows how to start the fire and not stand around it. CJ Strott did say, going back to Michigan, that all, they had an idea. They were stealing signs. I went back and watched that game. We didn't need signs to beat them. bro. So I'm excited to have back on the line. Did you see that play where all 11 just knows it's a, it's a run?

They actually said pass, but yeah. No, no, that's a different play. There's another one. I was breaking down tape over the weekend, kind of watching Aden Hutchinson, watching the Michigan Wolverines, because I think you guys played good off high IQ ball. The way hardball and them coached that team, like all 11 knew exactly where plays are going. Let's pause on that real quick. They do. For a college team, they have NFL coaching. Like you watch the DBs when there's contested catches, they're stabbing through the pocket.

They understand where they're supposed to be in their drops. They do a really good job. You would literally think. You would literally think. You see all the DBs lined up on the sticks, understanding where the sticks are and playing just such complimentary football that it's like, you know, it fires me up from a student of the game standpoint,

how well coached they are. It's impressive because you would truly think that they have the other team's playbook. Yeah. But that's just that's just, It's them understanding. That's them playing good. Vice tackles. They do a phenomenal job of vice tackles.

They ran a play against Purdue. I truly never. Fast motion where they would go to the tackle and then run, like, like they would motion down and then start sprinting. And then the guy would get caught up in the wash. They'd find out it's man coverage. He'd get caught up in the wash and boom. A little tight little wheel route over the sideline.

I'm like, you know, they're really just exposing people because they're just, the coaching staff is that good. There's a reason why they're outscore opponents, 149 to zero in the third quarter. There's a couple of reasons. There's two, there's only two teams in all of college football that have not let a team score in the third quarter. Mitch, do you know who those teams are?

When they get a real beat, when they get into rhythm and they understand what the team's doing, they are as good as it gets. It's, I agree with that. Once you figure out the rhythm. Michigan and Penn State. Yeah, it is Michigan and Penn State. 211 to zero in the third quarter is what you all combine.

Dude, I can't wait for that game, but especially that third quarter when it kicks off because like, who scores in the third quarter? Yeah, what time is that game? That's like 11 or 12. Oh, perfect. Good for us. Yeah.

At Penn State. At Penn State. This is going to be awesome. Yeah, that's going to be fun. It's going to be fun to be around the fellas. But you brought up a point, too. I can't wait. When you really watch teams and their tendencies of what their game plan is going to be throughout the game,

picking up on that, that's a good coaching staff right there. Everybody can do that if you have a good coaching stuff. So I agree with what you said. Yeah, I can tell. Yeah, I'll tell you what, though, when you're in a game, you get a little hot and sweaty. little stinky after the game, jump in the shower. What are you going to do?

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And they got the thick, high viscosity body wash. That big ass brick of soap, dude, literally three times larger than your regular piece of soap. It is. It's incredible, dude. Let's see. Let's talk about this. It fits in your hand nice. Like, I'm talking girthy.

Yeah. In the shower, like nothing says confidence, like holding something girth in your hand. Confidence and a little sad, too, because you feel that. You're like, that's a real piece of soap. You kind of a little bit on, I feel like that, you know. But it makes him come out. It makes them come alive because you are confident. Because your piece is excited.

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Always shouting out Walmart. Bontair, Missouri, third biggest in the state. Yes, sir. That was a real thing when they was getting built in high school. We were fired up. We were about to have the third biggest Walmart in the entire state of Missouri. I shit you not. I love that.

That's what I meant last week when we talked about being in the bubble. We had Delaney on being in the bubble of Missouri. You get excited about things like that. You saw the meal. He was there this weekend, yeah? Where? Was he? Or did he repost?

Coming weekend. I thought I saw a post of him. Oh. It was this weekend. That's what I think. That's what I thought. The meal man gets. them Jenny's out there.

Shout out of Jenny's ice cream, though. Still a superior ice cream on the market. I don't know, man. Colstone's great. Colston's great. I think Colston from a overall variety standpoint of what they had to offer the quality in each of them is better.

That gooey butter cake is stupid, though. Bro, man, there's a few more, too. There's just brown, like, brittle fleck that's out there. It's insane. This high five that's got, like, chocolate-covered pretzels and, Oh, but I agree. Coldstone, you go in and obviously it's, you know, it's like a subway of ice cream. Pick what you want. Put it all together. Like that is, yeah, that's a lot of fun.

Jennings doesn't, Jennings doesn't have that. They just, they do what they're good at. And that's making ice cream their way, the way they know how. Keep it simple. The kiss method. Keep it simple. There we go. Pardon me off. Halloween party. Lightbox. What did you think that ice cream? Awesome. The popcorn, the caramel popcorn that he had in there that's kind of infused. It's like this caramel popcorn ice cream.

And then he'll stack caramel popcorn on top with this steam and smoke that kind of comes up from the ice. Like a dry ice type of thing on top of it. It's very good. A soft serve. A healthy soft serve. Healthy soft serve to me is supreme, right? You got Dairy Queen, but they've kind of fallen on my ladder under Jennings right now. But soft serve to me is supreme.

And yeah, light box, right? Lightbox. Yeah. Yeah, very good. Jason Russell, who's been cooking for me for two years. He's starting the company. Obviously, I jumped in a little bit with him. But he's getting that thing going. He's getting the, he's got his van done. He's getting a generator for it. And he, dude, he brings over samples all the house. People, like, is he out and about? Like, is he local Nashville? Can people go buy? I don't know. What you need to do is go follow a light box on their Instagram. And if you do that, I'm sure you can go do parties and all that. Because we're kind of in the process of we're going to start. It's about to launch 2024. We're going to launch at all. Like a catering. You go, we're going to be a farmer's markets. You want birthday parties, wedding. perceptions, those types of things for now because it's going to be mobile.

Things go well, you look at a brick and mortar in the future. But, dude, this guy, you've had us cooking. Oh, yeah. He is a talented individual. And he came to the idea with ice cream. And that's like his passion, his family's passion, which is really cool. It's going to be like a family run business. His wife's going to be and his kids are already doing it.

It's going to be an awesome deal. So I'm excited to see him and the success with that. It's going to be cool. Mitch, you got a twisted question for us. Twisted question. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Twisted question is brought to you by Twisted Tea, the smoothest hard iced tea out there.

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We're getting a dirt bike from Twisted Tea. It is. A good one. A good one. 450, right? I don't know if it's going to be that big. 250. 250.

250? Yeah, yeah. We need to do a vlog on teaching Will how to use the clutch. We're going to teach all the boys how to ride. That'll be awesome, dude. First love. First love of my entire life was motorcycles. Let's get into the twisted question.

All right. So I saw you put out a tweet looking for twisted questions. So this actually comes from that. And this actually comes from the S&P bet tracker. Shout out the S&P bettrak. What a dog. Beast. Would you rather scream every time you talk or sprint everywhere you go?

So you get up to pee in the middle of the night, you're dead sprinting to the bathroom. Or you're whispering in a movie. You're just screaming at the top of your lungs. Well, you know what I'm going to do. I'm going to ask a couple questions before I make my decision here. It's brutal. When you sprint, when you sprint, is there injury possibilities happening? I mean, if, if.

You got a good question? I'm thinking is our, is our cardio? Like, do we feel the fatigue of sprinting everywhere? Oh, yeah. You got to get yourself into shape. Yeah, I guess you do. And there's an opportunity to. You're not going to get hurt sprinting.

Like, like, if you're hurt or, like, outside of, doing that, like, you're going to feel that. You're trying to get wherever you're going as fast as physically possible. As fast as physically possible. If you have, like, a twisted ankle, like, you're still trying to run on. You're hobbling everywhere because you have to exert all the energy to get to point B. Just at the farmer's market. Or scream when you talk?

Oh, I'm getting a cold group, maybe I'll be right back. Get out of there. Imagine go to a theme park, bro. You're just constantly sprinting everywhere. That's ideal. Imagine like you're wet. It's ideal, but think how tired you are. Like, somebody's like, oh, let's go hit the water slide.

And you're just thinking, in the other park? And everybody's like, Yeah, let's go. Let's go. And you're like, son of a bitch. Imagine your wedding, too. Just fucking 40 times down the aisle. Like, you're escorting a grandma. You're like, come on. We got to go. So that...

I think a wedding, you have to accommodate it around you. At that point, it's known that you're a sprinter. Your wife, she's marrying a sprinter. She's going to know. She's marrying a sprinter. You're like that kid running to lunch every day. Yeah. Which I'm willing to do. Yeah.

There was a good two, three years when... that bell would ring and you'd sprint the cafeteria to get in line as fast as possible. Yeah. What? I did, man. I was out of that thing. I was walking like a little.

You get a little paste to you. I know you were running. The boys in them haul. I was in them hauling ass. I'm getting my ass out there. Get them chicken fingers. What do you, do you want to answer on three?

Yeah. One, two, three, sprint. Yeah. I mean, think about it. You got to scream every time you talk. You're literally doing it right now.

You're literally doing it right now. Wait a little. I love it. Every time you talk, every time you whisper, because that's an easy change of pace. I say we make it every time you talk. It has to be every time we talk.

It is every time we talk. Yeah. I think that's an easy one actually. Like, think about it, nobody's going to want to hang around you. And you're going to get right. Talk about mental fortitude when we were talking a couple weeks ago.

The first year of sprinting is going to be tough on the whole body. But after that, you'll be ready. You're just going to be at the house. You're just going to be at the half. Recreting. Yeah.

You're trying to, hey, baby, you're trying to go out today? Nah, you know, I'm trying to rest up. You can't, like, just go for, like, you can't be walking and talking with somebody unless you're in a dead sprint. Get a scooter.

Get a scooter when you don't want to run. Like, if we, if we, Will and I had this, we go to Baton Rouge, we'd say, hey, we need golf carts. Otherwise, Will and I have been sprinted up and down the sidelines.

That's what you need. They have this disease. Go on. What is it? Where they sprint everywhere they go. They're joking, right? No, not to be fooled with, with, I won't go there.

But yeah, I think sprinting. I think sprinting. I would have said something in the world. I'd be like, you know what? Let me take that back. My cousin, we just had to put him down last week. That is. Hey, how funny was that clip?

Why was that clip? Oh, you're talking about the dude saying the R word? Yeah, the dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah, we had to put him down last week. Yeah, he was in a blender the minute he found out. Yeah.

Hey, let me, let me apologize. guys. And the guy goes, yeah, mentally challenged. Mentally disabled, you know, we have a cousin, you know, we had to put, we had to lay him the rest last week. Yo, so funny, bro. That is a tough, tough, tough look. What a fucking. You want to snipe off the good, bad, and the ugly? Or do you want to do a good, no one?

Yeah, I feel like we kind of did the good, bad, the ugly. You want me to just rattle through him? Yeah, rattle fingers. My good was Josh Dobbs, C.J. Stroud, the Raiders, 4 and 2 on Bet the Bus. we are now 37 and 19 over the course of the year. Chaos over the college football playoff rankings. Minnesota and Wisconsin losing, Big Ten West still alive. Jenny's ice cream still reigns supreme, slips and picks murdered this week.

Oh, my two-mile runtime is down each week. We tack off almost a minute every week. That's very impressive. Are you ever going to run like a marathon or something? You never know. No. Possibilities are endless. Absolutely not.

My good this week, Michigan's opportunity this week against Penn State. season two of Shoresy is out. I've watched the whole season. It's incredible. Better than the first season show of best single season show I've ever seen in my life. Uh, throwing out the first pitch in the sounds game. That was just awesome. Super nerve-wracking, but awesome. C.J. Stroud, Josh Dobbs. OBJ. having his first touchdown as a Raven. Cool story for him with all the adversity in the last two or three years having two ACLs and stuff like that. Rob Deirdek. I went out a wormhole last night watching him. I think he has a podcast. He's just talking about his process and what like what got up to where he was going.

I thought that that shit was cool. And my last one is, there was another one to Instagram. It's this, I saw this kid, this disabled kid wrestling. And he went out there. He was kind of,

you know, going out there the way he went out there. And this kid understood and not just getting pinned right away. He let the kid pin him, but it like went a couple rounds where like he eventually let the kid pin him. And you're kind of watching and getting teary eye going, man,

I hope I raise kids like that someday. So that's my good. What's your bad? My bad. Taylor just starts off my screen time. Yeah, my screen time is tough right now. Oklahoma might be the biggest frauds in college football. Miami Dolphins, they might be frauds as well.

And that's tough. That's why they're not much to get you beat. They're just been bad right now. Daniel Jones, three games of the neck injury and then gets hurt in the first quarter. That was tough. Jim Ursa's celebration in the locker room. I thought that shit doesn't get you beat because you won the game, but that the dance move with him holding the guy's hand,

I didn't feel very comfortable watching the video. It was a great, Jimmy Johns. Yeah. Dance like no one is watching. I love it for him. Kansas City's four-minute offense against the dolphins really pissed me off. Third and one or two

and they decided to do some tricky ding pass play that ends up in an incompletion and that's just bad. Mine was a question. What do we think about the bills? Connor Stallion's resigning and getting fired because he's no longer on the sideline and the referees versus Nebraska.

Nice. Ugly. DeMarre Hamlin getting caught, picking his face and then eating it. That was a very tough. That's the shit that gets you beat. Obviously, he's been through a lot. I'm just saying that one little thing.

The guy in the Eagle's sideline that gets knocked over and exposed his red G-string. Did we see that? We did. That was tough. Do we know for sure that it was a G-string right now? I don't know if it probably was. It looks like cheeks in a red lazy thongs.

I would love to see Eagles social media team take a picture of him pulling down his pants to show the underwear and to put it on Twitter. That would be the best movie to get him out of some situation. And then... On the media app. And then Dallas is two-minute offense at the end of the game versus the Eagles. That literally is shit that gets you be.

It's so fucking bad. Off that. How do you not clock? How do you not clock it? That is crazy. Off that dude, because Dallas is amongst my shit to get you beat. The Dallas Cowboys, situationally, has been like the worst team in recent years, legitimately. Like, I know that can play better.

You go into, you know, them being down. And I was talking about it last week on the pro football football football. football show. Like, this is a front-runner team. They don't know how to get hit in the mouth. I don't think that they do. And Dak Prescott playing, like, his past rating is, like, worse than the league when he's behind. Jalen Hertz is one. But it's like, games like those against the Eagles, the Cowboys always seem to lose, like when it means the most, like, playoff teams that separate themselves, like the good playoff teams, everybody has figures out who they want to be on offense. Everybody starts playing good defense. But the team, the good playoff teams that

separate themselves is in those details, situational ball, the tight end being, six inches deeper to catch that touchdown pass. The Cowboys seem like they always lose in those situations. And they do. They look, getting to sit and, you know, learn through VRAB about all this situational awareness and situational ball. It's like you see the Cowboys piss down their leg every time they get into these situations.

And those aren't necessarily on DAC. Like, yeah, you would love your quarterback to understand all this. But he's a product of what they get coach to do. You can tell that they do not spend time by McCormick. Carthy and that staff does not spend a whole lot of time on situational ball. This is wild. Always pissed down their leg when they need it the most. You're going to understand the game plan Wednesday and Thursday.

Friday needs to be situational stuff. You're walking through a two minute. You're understanding, hey, ball is here. This is how much time's left? This is the timeout. What are we looking for? And you're peppering guys. What are you to do?

And then you need to cement it in guys' head to always understand the situation. And on top of that, and this is this is where Vraib does a good job is you watch the Friday tape early in the team meeting to where. you're learning from other team's mistakes. Yes. Like punching through the pocket. Learning it, this is Ozone here, out of balance or end zone.

Like you're learning the game like through the mistakes of other teams versus just being out on the field and talking about every situation. Or hey, here's what play we're going to call. You know, this is what defense we're going to run. They run this trick player. They run this last end of the game play. Like Vraib and that staff, they do a great job of learning, knowing where you're at in every situation.

And that's like to me. I would almost guarantee that the Cowboys do not do that. I bet a lot of teams don't do that, honestly, but some teams are better than others in situational ball. Yeah. I had, you had it, how many head coaches do you have in the NFL? In the NFL? Yeah.

Shanahan, Jay Gruden, Vraib, J. Gruden, and Bissotia. Jay Gruden, John Gruden, Basatia, Vraebel, Shanahan, yeah. How many of those coaches? Oh, Sean Peyton, Sean Peyton. Arthur Smith for a minute. Literally one.

Literally one minute. Of those coaches, how many of those guys focused on situational football more than Brable? Maybe Sean Payton. I was only there for 10 days. But Sean Payton,

it seemed like every time that something would happen even in practice, he would stop the practice and everybody would be literally dialed in. I'm kind of like sitting back, like, what are we doing here? Like, oh, he's going over a situation.

And he would talk like, let's say we had like something would happen in practice and he'd make him it spark something in his brain and he back let's say we have this going on this is why this is important or that's not important so maybe Sean Payton right what you kind of see the Broncos are playing better now you know defensively they were abysmal to start the year Russell Wilson everybody knows what's talks about Russell Wilson but you look up side-by-side stats he's playing solid ball he's playing complimentary ball that one stat we've taken and we've ran with it then he goes on and beats Mahomes I know plays him and like defensively you need it you need to coach

a team to get more mature. Like he's weeding out guys defensively to where it's like a young defense right now. Like Broncos are playing better football you know, with since Sean Payton's got there. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I've only had three head coaches and no one went over situational football like Brable. You, Vraib was, yeah, it's truly like, I mean, that's like a superpower. Yeah, but that's mainly the reason why all those injuries last two years, they were able to still have success because guys just understood the game.

Yeah, bro. I mean, you know this. Like, it's not like you had a team and Vrabe would remind us. remind us all the time. We do not have the talent in here to just go out on Sunday and play and win. Which is a hard thing to hear when you're a player sitting there, but you're like, he's not, he's not wrong.

You're right. But the year you guys went to the AFC Championship, like really any year, it's like, it's not a team that you're just going to roll out and they're going to win every week. This is a team that literally wins in the details. And you see how much it, like, pays off, like how much that stuff does matter.

All those little things do matter. The only other thing I had on shit to get you B is the NFL officiating. The way this game has been changing Like there are some things that you agree with Like body weight on top of the quarterback Like I feel like that's pretty clear now Like what roughing the passer is But then you have some of these plays

It happened the commanders You know Mac Jones he gets sacked And the guys like off on the side of him Joey B like I wanted the Bengals to win that game But he has one aware the guys like on the side It was not a roughing the passer And they just get protected so much

You see some of these hits I want to say who was it the Colts Jard the ball loose on that on that incompletion, like, doesn't even use his helmet or nothing, like uses his body. The ball is high in the air. It's not like he can go low. He's just lunging up to jar the ball loose. He does.

He gets a penalty. And then the taunting penalty on Josh Allen, like, dude, stop being so bitch, refing these games, man. Those fines that we see that come out, like, the week after, like, Patrick Ricard got fine for making a lot. Yeah, the fullback. That running back got fined for, like, not getting tackled. DeAndre Swift got fine for putting his shoulder down. I'm like, this is the game of football.

Like, you can't, you start finding people for doing that. Like, the game's gone. What was the clip that was the fullback that got fine? Patrick was like, there's no, there's no room for this in the game. Yeah. What y'all are talking about. That was. Yeah, it is, the issue is it's not cut and dry.

That's the problem. It's not a cut and dry rule. It's all based up to the interpretation of the referee. Right. That's the shitty part. You can't put in these guys' hands. I know because they're leaning on protection, which I understand that. but when you lean so much on the protection,

it becomes so much more subjective versus like, Yoder, this player, have their helmet down spearing this person, which that to me seems like a more tail sign or when the quarterback got sacked, is the body going on top of him versus if he's on the side of it at all, it's like it should not be, you know,

Tom Brady, he got a gator old last year, and that was a penalty. Like, this shit is out of, it's out of control. That was a wild getter roll. Where do y'all's fines go? I think they all raise them all and it ends up being like a charity thing. Yeah, yeah.

It's stupid. I know y'all just did the... Great causes. The good, the bad that gets you beat. Yeah. What about the great of the new merch? What's some of the new merch? Yes.

I think right now the 24 hours is over for 20% off, right? For 20% off, however, there are... I don't know. No, if you're in there at 6 a.m. If you're watching the show as it comes out, that's true. You're able to snipe it out. 9 central time is the cutoff for 20% off of our ugly...

sweaters, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 20% off. That is, but before we even did that, merch, I would say that these referees, if they want to focus, they need to get things done, they need to go check out proper wild. Dude, if you suffer from symptoms of ADHD, lack of focus, no productivity, your brain is constantly wandering. You need to check out proper wilds, clean all-day energy shots. Proper Wild uses organic caffeine, stacks with L-thenine. Theenine. Theenine. Is that how it is? Theanine. Taylor drinks, which has clinically been shown to boost your energy focus and productivity without the jitters or crash. No preservatives.

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20% off. Every dollar over the target for Barso this year, all the money is being split amongst the employees. Not the one up them because we've already had this situation going down too. 25% of all of our net proceeds is going to being split amongst the boys in the back as well for a nice holiday bonus to the guys. Just for if you need any other motivation to go buy these ugly sweaters, you know, there's a bigger picture. It's the giving season.

It's the giving season. Yeah, it's time to do it. Is the season. Is indeed. Be job. demand Christmas music. What's your number one Christmas song? I don't know.

I think all I want for Christmas is you. That's what I'm going to go with right now. I carry. Yeah. Silent night. I'm a big fan of silent night on a silent night with some candles going, the fireplace going. Not going to have that with waffle.

You're right. You are right. I agree with that. Charles was like, hey, the L&O Market, they started putting up Christmas decorations. I'm like, what? Yeah, Illinois Market gets shut down. Yeah, we need, I'm a big fan of their protein balls over there. And they have a five-dollar's bakery.

The number one Christmas song of all time is Bing Crosby. Christmas is a couple of them. A great one. Christmas songs, there's a plethora of them, but I do agree we should not. We should withhold talking Christmas until after Thanksgiving. I got a stance on Christmas songs as well that I will save earlier for December.

Can't wait to hear that one. They're not as good as well people make them out to be because if they were, they'd be on the radio all year round. Dude, I got a text from Mincy Saturday morning. Yeah? And he's like, correct me if I'm wrong,

but the Atlanta Falcons feel like 2019. Tennessee Titans. And I looked at, I did exactly what you did, and I put it down. I haven't even responded yet. But it just sparked it when we were talking about the Falcons earlier. What are you talking about? He's talking about Ritter, Benj, Tienke, In, Arthur Smith, all that.

He's like, they can make a run, right? And I was, I used to respond to him. Yeah, you should respond to him. Yeah, that is a wild take. But Canadians are different. Taylor celebrates Christmas before it. lights go out right after Halloween, which I think is assinine being here. I can understand why you feel that way.

And I'm not going to fight too hard on it. Here's what I will say is when night falls at my house and I see the lights outside, there is a warmth that generates through my body. I do really like that to have like some sort of set up the holiday season. Because I was big before I met Taylorin as like Christmas does not start until Friday after Thanksgiving. Does not start. Will not start.

Yeah. Now, marriage is about compromise. And Canada, they do shit backwards out there. We've talked about Canada, how dangerous that country is. In October, that's when they have their Thanksgiving, like the middle of October. When is Canada? Look up Canada's Thanksgiving. Let's look up their holiday calendar because it seems so off.

I think it's fluid. It's fluid like our Thanksgiving. It's like the third, whatever, in the month of October. They just, they change it all the time. Yeah, October 9th. Second Monday in October is their Thanksgiving. Which is wild. And that's very disrespectful to spooktober.

but what a wild yeah like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go out there I'm not gonna put Christmas music on I'm not gonna get the tree none of that stuff but I do like the lights being up that does fire me up and I love how on October 31st Halloween we have all the decorations out and everything like that and literally the next day

those decorations come down the lights go up I think it's just a cool like quick 180 yeah which I would I like that but I understand I understand why you feel the way you do Does Canada celebrate Halloween? It's a Hallmark holiday, right? Is it? I mean, New Year's in China different than New Year's in America?

Halloween? Yeah, because I'm saying they celebrate Thanksgiving differently. I'll tell you this. When you type in Canadian holiday schedule, and this is the public holidays. Oh, yeah, 2023 right here. Halloween does not come up. Oh, wow. They don't celebrate Halloween.

It's getting more and more difficult for me to support. with them. That is, that's nuts, man. That's my number one, too. Do they celebrate July 4th? What's Remembrance Day? Do they celebrate Independence Day? Yeah, did they celebrate the 4th of July? That's Canada Day.

What'd they do? Day, July 1st. I want to know what the National Day for Truth and Reconciliation is. I think I might like to go to that. Yeah, what is Boxing Day? Like, they all just fight. The unboxing? December 26th, dude, they all just go out in the mountains and fight.

What, they do they have it on there for there? It's in boxing day, like the day after Christmas? Yeah. Yeah. What does that mean? It's like the purge. That would be so funny. I mean, you can't really take shots at that.

Damn it. But what is Canada Day? What are we? Canada Day is their independence. But they're still governed by... Isn't it actually their independence? Aren't they still governed by Great Britain? And that's a question.

I think if you check out our vlog, I think I put you to sleep on that one. Yeah. Chad GPT. Yeah. You've definitely did. That was so funny. But I think they, I think the French, and are they still with Great Britain? Do we look that up, Jack, please?

French still. This is a easy solution. Does Great Britain still technically rule Canada? Oh. We're going to want to find out right now, JP. We already found out. No. Canada wholly independent.

Okay. In 1982. What are you yelling about that? there. Queen Elizabeth let them let them be independent. They didn't fight for nothing in 1982. You know they can. There was nine years before I was born.

That's crazy. That's wild. Some things are just given to you. Interesting. Do you think Taylor knows they don't celebrate Halloween? She told me they trick or treat. She said like in October, like late October, they would go get in the car and they would drive to trick or treat

because it'd be too cold outside. That's funny. Isn't that wild? Yeah. So I thought that was just a thing, but the fact it's not a public holiday. I mean, your whole marriage has kind of been a lie. Yeah. And it's honestly, Canada.

Yeah, yeah. Like, Canada might be the ruiner of my marriage. She sees how passionate you are about every holiday and everything. She's like, I can't let him know. She lit my ass up. Where were we? And we were in Georgia. And I was literally fighting a battle between her, her grandmother, and her mom.

Because they saw the clip of me essentially shooting on Vancouver being the most dangerous. The family rallied up. Literally, we're all sitting there. We're at the bar and all the boys were talking. You wanted me to do karaoke And I was like, hey, I'd love to But I'm in a war right now I was like, bro, this is it, man

I know I've actually thought about that day Multiple times since then I've been like, man, I should have just gone up there and saying We'll get another opportunity No question, no question, no question Should we get into Max Crosby? Yes

Let's jump in, let's jump into Max Crosby Shout out you guys, man I had three sacks yesterday Nine and a half sacks on the year Max should truly be considered A defensive player of the year Why wouldn't he be? People just talk a lot about

I mean, Miles Garrett, T.J. Watt, he's also in the conversation. But I think Max, the reason why, like, he might not have the best sets of all, although I think you'll be able to find pressures, QB hits, all that kind of stuff will go into Max's favor. But it's like, these other guys, they have guys around them as well. Like, Max, he's like the only guy on the Raiders defense. And I'm not, like, I say that to, uh, uh, prop Max, to boost Max, to boost Max. Like, when you think of the Raiders defense, you just think of Max. you just think of Max Crosby. You know what I mean?

Like he doesn't have any other real pro bowlers around him or anything else. And I think the guy just, he wrecks games. These other guys do as well. But I just think it's almost like, you know Max is a guy over there and the Raiders, but he doesn't get the public or the national notoriety that these other guys do.

Yeah. I mean, TJ, he's got a good cast of characters around him, but you watch him on Thursday Night Football versus the Titans. It's like, holy shit. I know. He literally cannot stop this guy. Yeah, he's a freak. And same with, um.

Miles. Miles Garrett, dude. Like, you got offense adjusting to him pre-snap. And like literally in the Colts game was a one, two weeks ago. He had two sacks, a safety, a strip sack, and he blocked a field goal, and it wasn't even the second half. I mean, he is a grown man. He is the, no, he's the most grown man.

He's a grown man in the NFL, like to the NFL. Yeah. Yes. And it's tough because I think Max has the same capability as they do. like he's just as much of a disruptor, but those two, if you're talking about names, strictly like the popularity of names,

Miles Gary and T.J. Half him on that. For sure. And that's going to keep Max... Out of it. No, that's going to keep Max, that chip even more. Yeah.

That delusion, they're still counting me out. You're still probably going to be all pro. No. Imagine if you wasn't all pro. We'll ask him about it. We'll ask him about it. Need to.

Need to. And smoking a cigar. Love that. Tobacco. I had so much foam I was seeing the boys on. man, I should have signed with him this year. Like, I had the opportunity to. And with that being said, let's get into this interview.

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Max Crosby, Christian McCaffrey, Josh Allen, Derek Henry, any of the guys we've had on. Willevis. Yeah, Willevis. Had on the bus. We haven't had Willie on yet. Yeah. But. Brable on the sideline.

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You're talking Monday. You come in. It's off day. You're going to have victory Tuesday. Or victory Monday. You're going to have Tuesday off. You can get all the boys, hey, we're catering in chicken shacks on Monday after a victory. for Victory Monday. It's Victory Monday. Yeah. Victor Monday Shake Shick-Shack. If you're to look at the boys and say, hey, do you want fried, hand-bredded, white chicken, a lettuce, a little bit of that mayo on top of a bun?

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I think that's what we got to do. We got to get these boys doing chicken dances. We got to embrace the chicken dance. We need the fans to embrace chicken. chicken dances. Let's sell out for the chicken dance. I'm selling out. Because Shake Shack is, and Shakeshack is pretty near and due to our hearts. We, yeah, we talk about it highly. Yes. Top three. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. So we got Christian McCaffrey. We got George Kittle. We got Josh Allen. We got Derek Henry. Dr. Will Levis. Kittle. Hockinson. That's seven people.

And you know what seven is? Playoff Lennie. He might get active. He might get active this weekend. Playoff Lennie. He was on practice quad this last week. So we're sending out messages right now, You see this, just know we're calling you out. Back to the episode. Your upper body's starting to match your lower. Yeah, but I feel like there's been a nice... Yeah. You didn't say I'm little.

No. I'm not saying you're little. I'm just saying you're lanky. Max, what question for you? Real quick. Are we started? Let's look at this conversation. While we were waiting for you to jump on the zoo,

we were literally talking about which one of us actually looks better. not looks better like we were talking about if we were on stuff like who would look like the most jacked that's okay i think you would be the most jack because you're a squattery cat that's yeah that was the argument you said was your answer still the same if we were on tier what was your arm length like short 30 yeah short 32 maybe what's your what's your what's your arm length long as fuck the connoor hey you got my fans like 610 you got to do it uh Kenny or whatever uh Shout out Kenny, the one that wants you to recreate that Jordan wingspan photo.

You have to do that. Oh, yeah. I see that. Max, let's start off the show. We can get, well, actually, answer the question. He looks better. What's up? Do you all hear me?

Yeah. Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah, yeah, I'm good. You're at a bar. You're a girl. And you see both me. That wasn't even close to the question. Let's just move on.

You, I would say you, I can concede that. That's easy. We're both going for different aesthetics. Yeah, but yeah, you were wanting to talk about like, like, you're, like, you're build and all I'm saying, because you told me I need to wear a large t-arge. Yeah, I think Wilkins can go down a size because I feel like he looks good. I'm just saying like I'm broad, like you're

not as broad in the shoulders as you used to be. Like, not even close. The fact that you're 6-7 and can fit into an Excel means like you're a lanky boy. I'm a lanky boy. I'm the Max Crosby of this podcast. It has nothing to do with, hey, we go to a bar and get picked up, like who's getting taken home? I love how this thing was so shallow

and now all of a sudden it's been pivoted to where I'm just being the one that's shallow. Max, let me ask you question. What are you, T.J. Watt and Miles Garrett have in common. I mean, the obvious answer is we, you know, disrupt games. But, yeah, honestly, I think all of us are different in a lot of ways. I feel like physically Miles Garrett is a specimen. He's able to bend at 6'5, like no human I've ever seen before.

And just he's got the total package. I think T.J. just his ability not only to rush the past, but his batted balls, interceptions at the line of scrimmage, that's what separates him and makes him indifferent. And then I feel like me, you know, I'm not going to go into, you know, hype myself up.

What do you think of your edges against those? But the answer I was going to give you or the answer I was hoping you give me is all three of you guys have nine and a half sacks right now on the year. Yeah. Sitting there at the golden number. Max leads them, that crew and tackles for law.

too. PFLs? Yeah. Because we were sitting on the show before you came on. We were really talking about how, like, you're, dude, you're a dog and you disrupt games. It's what, when you think of the Raiders, I was in Vegas two weeks ago,

and I saw three Max Crosby billboards. Like, you were taking that entire city by storm. But we look at Miles Garrett, first overall pick, T.J. Watt, Watt, brother. Both are phenomenal football players. If you are in an elevator pitch with me and Will, saying, what gives you the edge on them?

And this is no disrespect to them. we've already covered the bridge that they are phenomenal football players. And we're talking about DPOY. Where's Max Crosby? Where does Max Crosby have the edge in that situation? Yeah, I just feel like there's, you know, nobody, you know, doing what I'm doing as far as playing the amount of snaps I'm playing and able to do it at a high level. And disrupting the run and pass game.

I feel like against the run, you know, I feel like I'm just as good against the run or better, you know, versus the pass. You know, everyone talks about path thrusters. They just talk about sacking the quarterback. But being able to affect the run game and the past game at a high level and move all around the old, you know, all around the D line. I feel like is what separates me from, you know, everybody else. But for me, like I said, like I'm only nine games into the season. I have so much work to do.

And, you know, I know those guys are my competition. But I have a ton of respect for them. They're both insane. And I have a ton of respect. And I watch what they do on a weekly basis. So I know I have a ton of work cut out. for me. But that's why I love this shit. I do it every single day and I do it all year round. So, you know, what I'm doing right now, it's not like I'm, you know, surprised. It's just I know there's

more to do. And I know, even last night, like, I had a lot of, you just look at the stats sheet, eight tackles, three sacks, whatever. But like, I left a lot of plays out there. And that's what motivates me every single day. Like, every time I go out there, I'll do myself the week before. And, you know, for me, it's not about the other guys, you know, the TJs, the Miles Gareth, the Micahs. For me, it's about being the best version of myself and outdoing myself weekly. So I tune into what they do, but like, I'm not like, all right, I need to match Miles Garrett this week. It's like, no, I need to outdo myself and, you know, the rest will fall in place. Comparison is the thief of joy, dude.

Hey, I love that. Be who you were yesterday, Willie. Max, great to see you, brother. Dude, you're crushing it. And it's so fun to see, like, you truly wreck games. Like, I know you guys have been down and out for a minute. We're going to get to these victory cigars in a second. but seeing the work and knowing the work that you put in

and seeing it come to life is incredible. And I do. I think you have a strong case for somebody trending toward a defensive player of the year and everything else. I know we're not going to, you know, we don't want to make it about here's what I do. Here's what they don't do. But you're a football guy through and through.

Like you eat, sleep, breathe football. I mean, for God's sake, you're in a film room right now. Like I'm sure you're just showing that off trying to flex on us. But you're a football guy 24-7. You really are. Talk to us about. about this past game. You guys go out and score 24 in the first half. And without a Max Crosby sack that gives you guys 21 against the Patriots, your offense, your team hasn't scored over

20 points all season. You guys go and do it in the first half with Coach AP at the helm. Talk to us about that, man. What was the energy like? You guys seemed like you were playing with a different energy. Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt about it. You know, I feel like, you know, unfortunately, the change happened on a short week. Like we went to Detroit on a Monday night and we got back 3 a.m. Tuesday morning and like literally in the next 24 hours we had a new coach.

We were preparing to play another game. We're all trying to get our bodies back together, long travel. Like it was a quick week and everything was happening fast. But just to see how the guys, you know, responded to everything. It's just a credit to AP because AP is one of those guys. Like y'all, obviously Will,

you were here in the building when rich, you know, got the job. And if there was one person that was unanimously respected in that building, it was rich. And I feel like AP definitely has that same exact, you know, level of respect when it comes to, you know, everybody in the building. Like there's not one person that's like, yeah, I don't know if I like AP. It's like, no, everybody respects AP. He was a great player and he always keeps it real, but he's a great coach as well. And, you know, guys can relate to that.

So his message is just, you know, He talks about having fun and going out there and working when we're supposed to work. But, like, it's our team. It's the players team. And he was like, every great team I've been on, the players ran the show. And that's what he wants us. He's empowering us. He's giving us that responsibility.

But it's a lot of, you know, we take that personal. Like, if we're going to get responsibility, you know, to run the team and do it our way, like that's a lot more, you know, that's weight on our shoulders and we got to take care of business. But that doesn't mean you can't have fun. You can't enjoy showing up to work. you shouldn't walk in the building and be like, oh, fuck, here we go. I got to sit in meetings for, you know,

eight hours straight and it doesn't have to be that. You know, we show up, we get our work in, we have fun while we're doing it. And, you know, this week was, it was awesome. You know, practice the two days, Thursday and Friday. Like, we were out there dancing before, having fun doing our thing. Like the Soul Train line, you know what it's about.

We brought that back. And, you know, just about enjoying it, bro, because just to get out there on Sunday, y'all both know it's not fucking easy. You go through hell and back just to get up, you know, to dress on Sunday. So if you're not enjoying the process during the week, you know, it's going to be, you're going to be miserable. So I think the guy just kind of bought into, you know, this is all about us. We have, you know, now we have nine or what, eight games left.

And why not? We do this all year round. We put in so much work just to be, you know, in this position. So let's have fun with it and go dominate and see what happens. So, yeah, AP's been doing a hell of a job. AP, he seems like a leader of men. What was that first team meeting like when he came in the room? Obviously, you know, poor Zig, RIP, I love Zig, but McDaniels has gone too.

How did he approach talking to the team for the first time as an interim head coach? Yeah, it was awesome. You know, he absolutely killed it. You know, he is straightforward with everything. You're not going to get bullshit. You're not, he's not going to sugarcoat anything. He's going to talk to you directly. He's going to be honest.

And he's going to be himself. and you can do nothing but respect that. And he's consistent. That's how he is. Even as an assistant, you know, being a linebacker coach, me and him, our relationship was like, you know, on the sideline during a game, he's always coming up to me, like, trying to get under my skin.

What about too much? Oh, oh, oh, oh. Look at us. We're remixed it on us. Remixed. He was going off, though. He was. He was saying some absolute shit there for a second.

Yeah. No, he was a. He was watched to, by the way. Yeah. Paddock Felipe? He's the man. I think that's a, that's a, that's a, that's one of my favorite watches. That's a cool watch. He talked about that soul, that soul train. Yeah, what is that? It's like at the end of warmups, or yeah, at the end of warmups, the music turns up real loud and it's like, you know, songs that are like trending and stuff

like that and guys get called out to go dance in the middle in front of everybody. Yeah? Yeah. I evaded it. No, no worries. We were talking, he was filling me on the soul train thing and how that all that goes down. That's... Yeah, I was always nervous. I never wanted to get it. So I would always try to call back. No, thank God. Really?

Yeah. You can bust it down a lot? I know. Sure, could. You know how I get my own head. You know what I mean? It starts to get close. I'm like, shit.

Max, I don't know if you know this about Will. If it's, if it can be premeditated, this guy's a plus. It's the... And we gotta do this right now. If it's something I'm not in, like, if it's something, yeah, I'm not like necessarily in my, in my zone with, like,

in something that's already in my bag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it seemed like he took it with stride, yeah? Like he didn't he didn't give no shit. He was like, hey, this is the situation. Because it's stuff. I've been in the locker room when you have a coach change. All three of us have you now being through it two times.

And it's the middle of the season. It's really easy for guys to go and just pack it in. And then to go to get a W like this. And the way you guys got it, pretty incredible stuff, dude. That's awesome. Yeah. I appreciate it, bro. It was awesome.

Like, you know, the first time this happened in my career with the whole Gruden situation. I'm rich. It was very similar. We went to Denver and, you know, we scored over 30 points, got a big dub, and everybody responded. And then we just, you know, continue to build off that, you know, the rest of the season end up making a playoff. So obviously, it's just one game, but, you know, we're off to a good start. So it's exciting to see, bro. We have to ask about this player coach meeting.

It's now circulating a little bit. I want to say Jay Glazer, is that his name, Taylor? Glazy? Yeah. Yeah, Jay Glazer, he was talking about it before your guys' game on Countdown or one of those shows saying that, you know, McDaniels was talking in that meeting, and then it ended up not going the way that he thought it would to a point where AP was standing up

and kind of speaking for the brand of the staff. It's just like trying to get the boys, trying to get the boys right. And then he brought up the Patriots, how the New York Giants dethrone them. And McDaniels was like, don't ever talk about the Patriots. And then it kind of went south.

He said that in the team meetings. That's what Jay was reporting on, like, before their game. And we obviously have to ask, like everybody knows how close a relationship is. So it's like I feel like I'm not, you know, I would be avoiding it. But did that happen? Did that happen, Max?

I don't know where that came from or where he heard that. But that's, you know, I'm not going to speak on detail about what went down in the meeting. But I don't, he didn't stand up and like, AP, you can't talk about the Patriots. That's false. I'll just say that. But it was very real. all, you know, basically every captain, every leader, everybody that has something to say went up and said their peace.

And everyone was honest, including Coach McDaniels. You know, everybody was honest. And shit got real. And it was necessary. And, you know, it is what it is. You know, it was, you know, coach McDaniels, you know, called us in and he wanted to do it, you know. And we went in there and everyone just left everything out on the table.

and, you know, it went away. You know, it went. So that was something that was not premeditated. It wasn't like, all right, we got, you know, in a couple days we're going to do this meeting. It was just like, boom, spur of the moment. We went there. Everyone laid the shit out. And then we moved on with our day.

So, yeah, it was probably one of the realest, like, meetings I've ever had my life. You know, it got real. And there was a lot of emotion. And, you know, either way, whatever, you know, people are going to say whatever they want about what happened. but the only people that know what really happened, you know, were us in the room. And that's for us, you know, it's family business. The fact that it even got out is kind of like irritating. I was irritated when I, you know, found out that somebody who was talking about it.

But it is what it is. And it's in the past. It's over with now. So can't do anything about it. Was that one of the most, is that the most unique meeting? I'm sure you've probably ever had, like just being an athlete. And you hear like, you hear that a team meeting happened. And then when you hear that, oh, it was a player coach meeting about vending and everything else.

You're just thinking like, oh, oh, shit. I wonder if guys actually said things. But it sounds like, you know, it got real. And that's for all the boys. It'll be a fun conversation to have in the off season when we go to, you know, Max's house and have some more pizza and wings. Yeah, or a couple years from now, a couple years from now. Yeah, let it live a little bit.

Go see the boy out there. Yeah. Unless he talks about it, segue, unless he talks about it on The Rush with Max Crosby, you guys have been doing a hell of a job. I was listening to one earlier. I heard your cries of needing the jersey of mine from all the guys you respect. I will get that to you. But talk about the rush and your podcast and talk to us about that experience in season,

kind of doing both a little bit. Yeah. You know, it's been something I've been wanting to do for a long time. You know, Brogan, my co-host, we, you know, it's one of my best friends. It's like a brother to me. So we've been talking about it for literally years now about doing it. And, you know, initially, me and you talked about it, about possibly doing something, and there was different people involved.

And, you know, I was just trying to figure out how we were even going to make it happen. And, you know, it takes time and everything has to happen at the right time as well. And that's kind of how it came together. You know, I got a solid team together. You know, at first I'm looking around thinking I need to go to some bigger company and have them help out. But literally, and I'm not just saying this because I'm on your show, but you convinced me that, like, I need to build my own team and keep it in-house and own 100%, you know, the show. And that's the route we took.

I built up a team of, you know, it's not just some random people or people that I'm associated with. It's like literally all my closest, you know, people around me. And we've built up a hell of a team now. We got, you know, eight people, you know, on board now, at least. My agents involved helping out with, you know, behind the same things as well. But we just have a great crew. My boy, Dary and Sorrell, Dustin Creel, they're also on the show.

they're my college teammates and like big brothers to me. So we just got like, we literally, it's just authentic and it's organic. It's not hard. We don't go on there and like, okay, we're, it's like everyone has their role. We put the shit together and after every single game, we get on and we just, you know, ride that whatever that wave is. We lose, win. We just keep it real and honest.

And, you know, we just, we're having fun with it. And we're just getting more comfortable in front of the camera. So it's been something I want to do for a long time, but we're having fun with it. And, you know, we love it, bro. that fires me up. Yeah, it fires me up because Will said this in the beginning of the episode, how you are truly like through and through a football guy. But at the same time,

you're able to look towards the future and understanding your brand isn't just what you do on the field, it's also what you do off the field. So planning for that future and keeping that media footprint and starting it now, that's going to pay dividends for you because you've really got it both on the field and off the field. And you talk about your college teammates, I saw the boy gave a million dollars to Eastern Michigan. Like, what was the process for you to come up with that?

number and kind of give back in a big way to, you know. Numbers easy. It's Eastern Missouri or Eastern Michigan. My phone. Eastern Michigan, I think they're like, they're renaming the stadium after Max for a million dollars. Yeah. What is it?

Was it like a negotiation or that? Did they do that? Oh, you know, I'm busting your balls, Max. No, of course. You know, it was a process, you know. They've been talking to me, you know, I have a great relationship with them. My head coach who was there with me, who brought me in, who recruited me. he's still there. So all the people

that were there from day one, they're all involved still. So we've been talking for years and I've always wanted to do something for them. At the end of the day, like they were the only D1 team, the only team in general to get me in a football scholarship. So like they gave me a chance to, you know, do what I'm doing now.

So I've always wanted to do something big for them. I didn't want to do little shit. Like they would ask like, hey, do you think we can get 15,000 to get like an outfield camera? I'm like, I don't do shit. That's amazing. Yeah, like you know, those new like 4K, whatever type cameras they got on the field. Now I'm like, no, like, I want to do something big, like to actually make a real impact.

And we've been back and forth, you know, the number was higher and then it was lower. And then, you know, we had to get to a common ground where like we're both comfortable. But my financial advisor, obviously he was, you know, all my people, my money people were involved with the whole process. And we got to a point where, you know, we were comfortable and happy with it. And, you know, it's not just about naming the field. Like, obviously, that's important to me. you know, them name in the field is a freaking honor. But for me, it's about, you know, giving back and, like,

creating change and leaving a legacy. And that's really what it all, you know, comes down to for me. It's just giving back to the school that gave me, you know, an opportunity to, you know, be in the position I am today. Max Crosby Field. You got to respect it, though. They weren't, like, coming after his pockets right away. Like, hey, can we get, you know, a few bucks for an on-field camera?

Knickle and dime a little bit. Hey, let's get a piece real quick, brother. And Max, like, look, let's let's change. Yeah, yeah, sprinkling it. And Max, like, no, let's change the game. Yeah, let's do it big. The million dollars is a wild number. Now you get to write it off.

That's a big deal. You said the number was higher. Can you tell me where that number was at the peak? At the peak. They started originally, I could say it, but they wanted five. Whoa. All right. Yeah, you know, that's going to be tough.

You know, but this is a thing. I respect it because Scott Weatherby, our AD, like, he's a, he's a true Southern guy. He was at Mississippi State before. Like, he's dead ass, like, straightforward with everything. It's like, we can start here. And then we have real conversation. I'm like, come on, Scott. Like, we're not doing that.

We start here in the real conversation. I mean, I can do it. But come on, five. I'm like, that's a little. 15,000 to five million? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've got a slight jump.

You got to read him the entire school. Max Crosby. university. Yeah, they would have to put a fucking statue of my head in the front of the facility. But no, bro, it was a, it was a process, but we got to, you know, we figured it out and got to a place where, you know, we're both happy. And I don't, you know, this is not going to be my last donation to Eastern either, you know, down the road, like, I want to be a big part of helping build and change, you know, that whole,

you know, that whole athletic department in general. because like just where they've gone in the last six years since Creighton's got there, seven, eight years, how long he's been there. Like it's, it was literally like about to be burned to the ground. They were going to take football out of the school. Like it was so bad. We're one in my freshman year, bro.

It was literally a shit show. And we had no fans, nothing. And now we're going to bowl games every year and we're, you know, got a real culture. So, yeah, I just want to continue, you know, giving back and doing what's right for, you know, the people that helped me out. Bull games. Yeah. building the powerhouse at there at Eastern Michigan.

Damn right. Take down Nebraska. You know, it's going to be... Y'all ain't taking down Nebraska. Y'all had your chance to probably take down Nebraska. We just didn't make it to a bowl game in years past.

But now we're, you know, we're not worried about Eastern Michigan. Hey, I will say this. Me and Amir, you know, me and Amir,

we chop it up. Oh, yeah. He's my Nebraska, you know, updater. And he said y'all are doing pretty good. He's like, even though the offense is a little shaky, y'all are still finding ways to win.

So, you know, I'll get my respect to the cornhuskins. Yeah, you're probably nicer to Amir than any time I'd come in. You'd have some bullshit to say. Oh, he'd come out to you like that? Oh, every time. Because, you know, Nebraska's down and he had to punch while he could because Eastern Michigan won a couple games.

Man. It's the way you care, you know, the way you talk about them. I'll get my respect when it's due, but you just, you know, he's taking a little too far, so I got to just bring it down. Yeah, I feel that. This is a daily experience with Will, like literally putting, trying to put everybody in a blender to figure out a positive. Like, they literally, Nebraska lost a Michigan State this week.

week. The Michigan States won two games this year. And he's got a positive. Our destiny's still there. We still got to do all this. You know how it is. Max. Like you got your the Raiders, they've been in the shooter in the earliest part of this year. Now you just put a 30 and it's like, hey, we're kind of one game out of this situation, one game out of that. And you just keep stacking days. Don't worry about what everybody else is doing outside. Minnesota will lose Ohio State. Minnesota will lose Wisconsin. And as long as we take care of business, we're going to be there in Indy. I love it. Let's just, let's make a bowl game. I want Nebraska to make a bowl game. Let's break that street. That's what I'm

Yeah, but let's talk about the real thing. Taylor, what's going on with your boys in Michigan? I know Will's been very vocal online about, you know, the allegations. Do you have any comments on that? I just want to hear your... Yeah, my comments. Max, I ask you this, do you...

Are you a Patriot? Don't do the Patriot. Don't do the America. Like, he wants your comments. My comment is I believe in the judicial system that America put in place as the strongest country in the entire world of innocent before. proven guilty. Stay with me, brother.

Stay with me. Connor resigned. Listen, Connor resigned. And if you resign, you don't get any benefits or anything. So he literally took himself out because he didn't want to be a distraction. Keep the main thing to maintain. Make sure the boys can go do the thing. He failed to cooperate with NCAA and the Big Ten. He said, if anything comes out, it's because of me and me alone. As far as I'm concerned, there is not one asterisk on any part of University of Michigan football. And we should go win the national championship this year.

And you should be stoked. We're literally neighbors. Eastern Michigan and Michigan, you guys are essentially, we're family, brother. We're family. You see his look away. Yeah, he's more delusional than I am in Nebraska. My tattoo artist lives in Ipsilani. I mean, so basically what I've heard from this is that he's the fall guy. They got their fall guy.

And that's their saving grace, basically. Every part of the manifesto. Table. Listen. I bet you Conno Sallians, I bet I bet Eastern Michigan offered him a job the minute he resigned. Hopefully. I don't know. Creighton is a fucking

dignity. He would never do such money. Same with Jim Harbaugh. I've been saying that forever. Max, victory cigars. Who borrowed him out? I did. That a boy. You brought him out? I bought him the night before. I had our equipment guy. You know Adam. Yeah.

I texted him. And he, they got, end up getting three boxes. So it was about 100 cigars. I got cutters, lighters, all that. shot him over a Venmo, and they got it all set up. And then he just, he texts me the day of the game. He's like, what do you want me to do with the cigars? I'm like, right before, you know, right before we come in after the wind,

we got to bring those bitches out and pass them around the locker room. And literally all hundred cigars were smoked in the locker room from equipment guys to staff. Literally everybody was lighting up in there. And it was a legend. Victory cigar, man. I wonder what that locker room smelled like, you know, waking a success. Going down the hallways, you could see smart. Like everywhere it was smoked out, but it was awesome.

You know me. I'm a big cigar guy. So, yeah, I feel like it was necessary, you know, start of a new era. And yeah, we just had a little bit of fun with it. You know, people can have their opinions. But, you know, it's football, bro. You got to have fun. And I feel like the Raider way is, you know, doing that.

Not giving a fuck it anybody thinks and just being us. And, you know, I feel like everyone felt that. See, that's why the silver and black is just so damn cool. I know, man. It's like Max is the best. Yeah. Let me ask you this, dude, you guys continue success. We're not going to say undefeated, but you guys win some games, lose some games.

You have a positive, you end the season in a positive trajectory. Is there a piece of you that goes to the owners and says, hey, this is our guy. We got to keep him because Will and I had a conversation about Basaccia and how, you know, Will thought he should have been the guy in the raiders? Yeah. Is there a place for you if you see the positive and you see it training in the right direction where you'd essentially stick your neck out for this guy and be like, this is our dude. We got to keep him.

Yeah, no doubt. You know, I expect us to continue, you know, improving and win more games. And AP, you know, like I said before, I have a ton of respect for them. Everyone else does. Like I said, we have a lot of work to do. But, you know, how it was when the whole rich situation went down. You know, I was public about it. I went to the owner.

I went to a lot of people. And I was like, rich is our guy. Everybody was saying rich is our guy. And, you know, we went into a different direction. But I think, you know, Mark is definitely. definitely going to give AP and champ, you know, a real opportunity and real chance to, you know, earn the job. And, you know, it's a day by day process. But, um, we're off to a good start and, you know, me, like at the end of the day, if I, if I have respect for somebody, if I, you know,

if they got respect for the guys and they love football, like, I'm all in. So all I care about is winning and, and having a great culture in the building. And, you know, the rest is take care of itself. So yeah, you know, I'll go to war for AP all day. I love that, dude. Amen. Max. Go ahead. I was just going to thank him for coming on. I had one more. Oh, this is what it was. You talk about your schedule all the time. When we saw you in the office season,

you're talking about being up at 5.30 a.m. Take us through so these young kids who are playing ball right now and want to be the next Max Crosby, what does your schedule look like on a regular Wednesday, that tough day, that tough day during the week? Yeah, so Wednesday is our first, you know, first practice of the week, you know,

following the game from Sunday. So Wednesday, I'm up, 530, 535. I'm in the building by 6.15. I have my pre, you know, I have my pre, like, squad meeting routine. So squads at 8 o'clock, I'm there, an hour 45 before, eat breakfast, get in the tub, stretch out.

And then by 8 o'clock, I'm in meetings. We go, you know, leading up to practice a few hours of meetings, two, three hours. And then I go get, you know, stretched out by our guy, Alex Guerrero. He's the freaking, he's the guy who worked with Brady, Ray Lewis, all those guys. He gets my body right, nice and limber from 15 minutes before.

Then I go, get taped up, do my deal. Then I go out in the field. I'm usually out there about 30 minutes before practice. I roll out. I get my body ready. Then I do my get-offs. I have a nice routine. I hit the bags, get my hands right, get my feet right.

When I'm doing this, like, it's me and like one other guy that are out there and nobody's out in the field. But I'm just preparing myself before practice. So, yeah, practice goes through. do our thing. And then after I'm getting my body right, it's immediate recovery. I'm doing extra grip workouts after every lift. And it's just nonstop. Like, I'm always trying to stay 10 steps ahead. And if you do that every single day, over time, you're just going to fucking run laps around people. And that's how I operate on the daily basis. And that's how I operate all year

round. Like, it's literally just doing more than everybody every single day. You don't have to do a million things more than everybody every day. But if you're doing consistently more than everybody and getting up and challenging yourself on a daily basis, you're just going to continue to give yourself longevity and be able to do what I'm doing. Like, people are confused how I'm playing 100% of this NAS, but I'm not confused. Y'all, I tell y'all, like, I'm not going to see your bullshit

and be like, yeah, I'm the hardest working guy, but I'm bullshit and half the time. Like, I talk about it confidently and talk about it publicly because that's what I do every single day, bro, and I want to be the greatest. Like, that's literally why I do this. And it's got to be every single day. I stay consistency of the number one most important.

thing and just finding that 1% you can improve on every single day. Just trying to outdo myself on a daily basis is what got me to this point. I feel like it's going to continue, you know, propelling my career. You are a walking motivational video.

It fires me up. Fires me up to watch you work, dude. And everything you've overcome, it's amazing. We appreciate you coming on the show. Yeah, man. Happy to know you, brother. And if you guys, everybody listening right now, Raider Nation, whoever, new, old, whatever,

If you want Max Crosby's initial reaction after every game, go on to YouTube, type in The Rush with Max Crosby. It's on all podcast platforms, I assume, and you can listen to the boy, you know, within, what, 24 hours? When do they release? Yeah, we release every Tuesday morning, 6 a.m. on the West Coast, 9, or no, 6 a.m. on the West Coast, 9 a.m. on the East Coast. So, yeah, we're out every single platform, YouTube, Iheart, Apple, Spotify, the whole nine. We're on Instagram, TikTok, all that as well. So, yeah, just keep tuning in. We're going to do it every single week and, you know, keep it coming.

Hey, you guys, you guys do really crush it. When all that stuff was going down with McDaniels, I was thinking to myself, like, I was going to shoot you at taxing back, hey, this should be something that you probably hit on as soon as possible. And literally, you were, it was coming out and you were already doing it. So keep doing your thing, bro. Like, you're a stud. I really am. I'm happy to know you.

I appreciate you. I love you guys, man. I'll talk to you guys too, brother. Love you too. Yeah, yeah. Peace. No, he's a man. That dude's just a top-notch individual. Yeah. He really gets it. He really truly gets it. You can just tell he just works extremely hard. And it's cool. Like he does confidently talk about it. And it's like he does do it. Like I've seen it. I know it. And everybody else who talks about him says, yes, that's him.

So there's no, like when he is talking about it confidently. You just, it's understood. Yeah, it's understood and it's like, it's easy to wake up at 5.30 a.m. One day a week, two days a week. But they do it every day in and out consistently. And to do all that monotonous work, like, you know how it is, bro. Like, especially when you get into these months. Right now.

Week 10. There's still, you don't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah. It's still to get up at 530. Still to get tape. Still got to do this. Because this is when, you know, all that I'm going to do X, Y, and Z before the year starts. That starts to dwind.

And you really just to rely on what you've done on a day-to-day basis and continuing to do that and just telling yourself, this is going to be worth it. Right. Sometimes you're like, you play 100% of snaps. And you're like, I'm going to treat myself to this, treat myself to that. I'm playing a lot. I'm running a lot. My volumes up. I feel good. You start just doing different stuff. Or you get away from doing those things that you were doing literally every day in the off season and at the beginning of the season. But your body feels so much different when you're in season that sometimes you can, you know, you can be somebody who stops doing some of those things that you were doing in the beginning. And Max is just, I mean, it's 24-7, 365 for that, man.

It's hard to not make excuses. It's, when you get to this point of the year, it's so hard not to tell yourself how you're doing fine. Go ahead. It's amazing. I really, I have so much respect for him. You really, like, you said it a couple times. I'm happy to know you. Yeah.

And that is the perfect way to phrase it if you know Max Crosby. Yeah, yeah. Because he is, he's having all this success. I think it's easier to reform now. But it's like, we've seen it over time. And it's just, it's cool that he's, you know. he's reaping what he's sowed. Yeah.

And I think it's cool, too, how much you were, like, we've talked, we've spent multiple conversations about you talking to Max about he's been one to do a podcast for a while. Dude, he was the, I'm not joking, he was the first guy in the NFL, because I didn't know who Max was. I mean, he was a fifth round pick that year. So when I went into Oakland, I didn't really know anybody. I just knew whoever the players were. It's like Richie Incognito.

Yeah, I kind of knew of Josh Jacobs, but not really. You know what I mean? Derek Carr, you know that he's the quarterback there. But this, you know, red-headed cat that's, like, fired up about, oh, this dude's a superstar. This he's busting with the boys. Like, he's a podcast guy. This is, what, three years ago, four years ago? Yeah.

This is, yeah. What was that? 2019? Yeah. Yeah. You guys just run. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, 2019. And he's like, yeah, I'll watch your guys' stuff all the time. And I'm thinking, that was where I felt more comfortable in the environment of Oakland because my, oh, man, this, there's a player that people know. You're like walking in vulnerable thinking, man, if people like clown me or. or something like that. Like, this is a new locker room, a new group of guys. But Max was, like, all about it.

He was the first NFL player to, like, openly talk about, you know, bust with the boys. It's awesome. And now he's like, he's doing his thing. Question for you. When we were in the beginning of this podcast, all the doubt and insecurities that we had, was that a defining moment for you being like, oh, we're going to be all right? Or did you already feel successful? No, I felt, to me, I felt successful.

Like, I knew. it's like one of those things where you feel nervous, right? Or you feel vulnerable or insecure a little bit and things like that. But you just know ultimately like this is the gray area rough patch that everybody goes through like when they're trying to make it somewhere. There is. There's always that doubt. It's like the first time I went to, you know, when I play in Bontair, Missouri and then you go to a national camp like a Nike camp. And you're low-key nervous being around a lot of black dudes that you're not used to being around that are good football players.

Like this is the psyche that goes on in your mind as a kid, right? Right. And then when you play well, you start like, or somebody calls you the white hope or something like that. You just start to, you gain a little bit more confidence. It was like one of those things to where you're kind of coming in. You're like, you know, you know you have this fun. You know why you have, why you're doing what you're doing, but not everybody else knows why. So then when that's kind of open for, open for interpretation and a group can kind of get at you for it or chirp you about it, like that kind of opens you up a little bit like, damn, I got to weather the storm until, you know, you can kind of, whether get out of there, get back to what you know. but that was like oh peers NFL guys tune in and watch

so that was really cool that's awesome you brought up a thing too is like hey you go to a Nike camp there's black guys and makes you uncomfortable like you first hear that phrase you're like okay well well but like growing up in Cave Creek 5,200 people

one black guy on our team I remember going to USC for a junior day and being around a bunch of black dudes and literally feeling like they were kind of like not picking on me for being white but like this white boy right here. No doubt. You're legit like, I got to prove that I'm not as what as they seem. I seem. Yeah. Or the first day you step on Michigan or Nebraska, the upper classmen are in there. It's like, you know, you're showering for the first time with all these grown men in your eyes.

And it's just you get in all these, hey, Will, go run with the twos. And then you go from backup and that's like, hey, Will, go your first reps with the starters. Like every time you go into those new elements of like uncomfortable, you're like, you're insecure and you're like nervous. But it's like a, it's like that healthy nervous, right? And then like, one. Once you make a play, once you do this, or once you get that comment, you're just like, okay, you get a little bit more comfortable. You get a little bit more confident kind of carrying yourself. You're going to say, yeah, it's a prove it to yourself mentality. But all it takes it's like one play.

Yeah. If I just do that over and over again, I'm going to be straight. Yeah. You step into the indoor for the first time. You smell that turf because usually, you know, in high school, unless you're like a school that can have a turf field all the time, like you're smelling that. You're just like, man, they get after it out here. And then they're like, hey, Taylor, Taylor, get in there. And you know, you're nervous.

Yeah. Not that you just- Anything too. Like your first practice at Nebraska in Michigan, your first set of one-on-ones before team,

Indy drill, you're kind of just following the older guys and being like, I don't know what the fuck to do. And everyone just seems like they're so well-oiled and you're like,

yo, I have no idea what the fuck is going on. Yeah. How these guys know what to do win? Then you hit one-on-one. For me, it was always one-on-ones. Like, as I got older,

it was like, I have to win all my one-on-ones. But in the beginning, it's like, yo, I got to go against Brandon Graham right now. Yeah.

He's going to be a first round pick. I'm 254 pounds. Yeah. You're just like, I throw him in there. And you're like, fuck. I know. And you're just sink or swim. Sink or swim, bro.

Yes. With all of it. First date. You know, them throw me in, you know, trying to evade the soul train. Yeah. It's like those moments where you're just out there in that spotlight for men. And you're kind of nervous because you're like, you don't know how it's going unfold.

Yeah. Dog, it is so funny how things seem so foreign. And then how quickly things just seem. so normal. Because by the third practice, you know it all. Yeah. I know, we're going to do this next, go to that next ball. There's still a couple hiccups here and there, but like how quickly you're able to adapt and integrate into the process of the essentially company you're with. Yeah. Is it's wild how fast it works. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely, man. That's wild, man. But it is, yeah, it's cool. Like, Max was the first one. And I'll literally never forget,

walk in that meeting room. It's like one of those things, too, like you just know where you were on these singular solo moments of, you know, kind of milestones, right? And Max was the first NFL player who was about the pod. And I was like, about it. Now he's doing his thing. I think he's got eight guys on staff. He's literally got two more guys on staff than we do. Yeah, I was fired up because he was really interested in us doing things.

And obviously, like, we've tried doing different things. We haven't actually tried, but it's very new when you're looking at either scaling or growing or working with other talent. And with Max, he did a thing last year with Blue Wire. Yeah. And although good, it wasn't like, you know, him talking about Brogan and his boys that he's like, you know, went to college with. Like, that's what you need to be doing because it comes off as authentic. Like, you guys know your inside jokes.

You're not trying to force it with anybody seeing that. That's why we work. It's like we know how to talk with each other. We know how to correct banter, chirp, do all the things, right? And he was really excited to potentially, like, hey, let's figure some out. Let's figure something out. And you know how it is. There's a lot of steps on the back end that a lot of people.

Like Max, they're just not aware of. It's not like we're not wanting it to happen. There's just a lot of things that we would have to jump through to kind of figure it out to trust that you'll be doing what you're doing because it's kind of hard to be like, hey, after a loss, after a bad game after this, are you going to get on a mic? Or you're going to do X, Y, and Z, yada, yada.

And then I was just, all I told them was, hey, even if it's not right now, don't get fascinated by these company, these production companies that are going to come in and say, hey, we'll give you, you know, a few hundred thousand dollars. And then they'll own your IP or they'll do it with you. like you build it internally because then you'll own and you can have, I'm like, I'm telling you, bro, you have the budget to build your team however you want it.

Yeah. It's worth it up front now knowing where we're at, it's like it's worth the spend. It's worth like taking that risk up front because you can have everything in the house. And then you can kind of dictate where you want to go or what you want to do. Yeah. It's like it's staying away from the cheese that, oh, I can get this right away. Oh, I can make money on a business that makes me successful as opposed to essentially betting on yourself. and then looking at the back end, like that's the goal we're trying to get to right now. Like, we sit, every single week, we sit and we chase goals.

And we're like, hey, this is where we need to be. This is where we want to go. And there's always adapting, especially with social media. Yeah. And every single week doing new stuff like that. And so it's getting to be cool to see, is he going to keep this as a seasonal thing? Or is he going to take it into like just, like, 24-7

or 365 type deal, like we do. Yeah, I mean, I think he'll go 365. You know what I mean? Like, that's, if he's one to do it, the way like he was inspired by us he talked about fighter and the kid he talked about same ones that we've talked about before and um knowing that that's where his mind was it that's where it would be most beneficial to do because i was like you know how i don't know what the what access you would give or what you're allowed to give i was like but you know how i always took that

little camera around i was like you have your boys like do it and vlog like vlog the experience do this because people just love going because people love max you want to know what he's up to because he is like the hardest working motherfucker and and you know he's like the hardest working motherfucker It's like post-game reactions, you know, what the squad's doing. If you build that audience, it's like they want to know what's going on when you're going to a game. Your boys are going to a game. They might not be big enough names yet, but you know how it is, bro. Yeah.

Blog starts building everything else. And then it'll be something that keeps him busy, especially in the off season, even though he is very. Yeah, but the cool thing about Vegas is there's something to do every single day. So it gives him that ability to kind of do the vlog stuff. All he has to get what, if he's your boys, especially working the camera, it's like, Oh, you and your friend just go to an event, but have a camera with you, chop it up what's real nice,

and then there you go. You're getting content and you're having a good time, and you can do it at the hours you want because you have, you're keeping the main thing, the main thing with football. Yeah. So, hey, maybe future boy.

I would love that. Yeah, Max, future boy. I think he would do a great job with that. Yeah. Yeah. I told them, though, because it is super easy to kind of fall in love with the blueprint

if, you know, a way of entertainment. man, they do a great job. Like, New Heights is like the best podcast in the world. But it's like you go, besides ours, besides ours. But you go, you know, you look at, it's like an agent coming to recruit you. They have this brochure. They're showing off new heights. This could be you.

It's like, we'll throw you a few hundred bucks or a couple hundred bucks, whatever, or $100,000, whatever it is. And it's easy. Like, we'll set it up all for you. So that way you can focus on ball and yada, yada, yada, yada. And it kind of just speaks to you like, yeah, I need to keep the main thing, the main thing. Let me focus on ball.

But in Maxis's position, you have, you have the pockets you have the he has the want to and the drive to want to do like he's always been super curious about it so it's like bro literally you spend your own coin and figure it out along the way because you'll learn more even on your missteps and everything else you'll learn more about it doing it that way even if it's slower versus like being on a big platform right away because all you're going to do is get in front of a mic and then he'd probably want to pitch them brogan or some of his boys they might say no you know we don't really know them or anything like that but he's this is he's doing it the right way and a positive

to not going with, obviously, a wave is great, and I'm not taking anything away from them, but a positive to maybe not getting so many eyes at first. If you go back

and watch our old Bustin' with the boys' podcasts, we have come light years to understanding the process and understanding how you and I are even going to work together and all our segments and stuff like that,

like while you're building your audience, that you're going to have that core group that's been a day one with you, that's always going to grow with you, but you're able to find a stride and find out like, what is your, I don't want to say personality character

because I do believe that you and I are extremely authentic in this, but you kind of figure out how to work the narratives when you're having fun with a Nebraska type of situation and stuff like that. That allows you to grow organically where people start coming on. They're just,

it's such a more solid foundation than having big numbers and then you're trying to figure out your way along the way. Especially if you say something like, not crazy, but like you say something that people disagree with or people are like, yo, this dude, he's just out there talking. And then you catch flak for the first time and then you're like, yo, should I have said that? Should I have done this, ball, blah?

And it's like, yeah. But then you start to realize, like, the media market is 24 hours. Like, or the news is 24 hours. So literally you can say whatever the fuck you want, as long as you're not dropping like, you know,

big time shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously cardinal sins of don't say this, don't say that, but of like, you can have a stupid take,

a horrible take, 24 hours, it's gone. Right. Because it's not like, even though you have audience, they're not the, they're not like the,

that organic crowd that started with you. You know what I mean? People are going to tune in because they're fans of you. But if it's on this big, platform and they're, you know, finding you on Bleacher Report. These are people who read and do everything Bleacher Report. Right. You know what I mean?

And that's the tough part. Like, I can't imagine how, like, Stephen A. Smith is or is it Collinsworth? What's his name? Colin Coward? Colin Coward? I don't know who's Collinsworth? What the fuck? But those guys that are literally on the mic every single day, I think McAfee does the best job of all of them because he doesn't truly take a strong

opinion on anything. But these guys literally have to show up every single day and have a, this is 100, And I'm selling you on this opinion. And you're not going to hit every single time. So you're going to make a lot of enemies that way as well. But it's how they've been. That's how they've grown.

Not like they think I'm going to make enemies. But Colin and Stephen A, like those types of guys who have personalities that now they have their own podcast, which does, you know, they have audience that goes there from ESPN over to them or Fox over to Colin. It's like those guys are like pros in the space. I got people love to kind of hate on them and talk about this, that, the other. These guys are actual pros like, you know, a high schooler looking at NFL players. Those are the NFL players in the space of like media, people who show up every day and constantly talk about it.

Because it is a hard thing to do, especially when you're running your own or you are by yourself on the bike. One guy that I think is done it really well is Shannon Sharp. Yeah. Just seems like he is crushing the game. Yeah. Fushing it understands the process. Day in and day out. It's a good way of thinking about it.

Yeah. I think about it as like, man, every day having to show up and have a strong opinion. something that's got to be tough, but you're right. It's just being a pro in that space. Yeah, they're truly trying to figure out what their opinion is on it. And yeah, they definitely fluff here and there. But it's like they research why their opinion is what it is. So that way, you know, if you do get in a debate or anything else, they're able to go layers in on why they think that way. Yeah. But yeah, Shannon crushes it, man. And from what I've heard, he's a very hard worker.

I mean, you got to, this dude was a three-time pro bowler. He's a Hall of Famer, or not three-time Super Bowl champion. eight-time Pro Bowler, Hall of Famer, like, you know, and it's known as one of the hardest workers in the media space. And then you got McAfee, who's built his monster. Monster. His empire with, and now he's with the ESPN and everything else. But, yeah, man, it's, it's all fun.

It's all fascinating. Yeah, what's fun about all this is, like, it literally takes a camera and a microphone, and everybody can do this. Yeah. And it's just about staying consistent in finding your core group, no matter how big or how small, it's just finding your core group of rider dies,

like the tier ones that show up on the bus. every single day. That's the shit. Yeah. And pushing through that fray, pushing through that gray of the insecurities, the vulnerabilities, and some last, some periods last longer than others. Some are, you know, whether it's the, you want to use the word privilege or have a better starting line than other people, there's still going to be those levels of gray that you have to like, you know, push through and see it through, especially if you desire it. It's almost, yeah, without getting into too much of the just TED talks and

yeah yeah yeah we can easily get into the you mentioned it earlier but Rob Deer Dick the Rob Deer Dick rabbit holes like there's so many things that we could layer on here but yeah I know this pod we're probably sitting at three hours right now and we still got Christian McCaffrey coming on yeah do we have any more ad reads shake shack with McCaffrey

yeah man and for those of you who do want to start a show there is so much information or just be successful on anything we have the internet we're truly like all these successful people are giving you the blueprint to be great. So, truly on you at this point, what you want to do. The resources are in abundance right now, especially in digitally. Well, let's say a break and then we'll get to Christian McCaffrey right after this, yeah? Yeah.

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