Bussin' With The Boys - Michael Chandler

Episode Date: May 19, 2021

Recorded: May 17, 2021 | The boy Michael Chandler isn't running from his loss at UFC 262... He jumps right back on the bus, belt or no belt, like the wolf that he is, for a solid pod with TONS of insight into the world of fighting and wisdom for life. The boy Taylor was feeling under the weather for this one, so Comp is riding solo. He and Mike start by talking about the build-up to the fight, how his preparation differed from previous fight camps Mike has done, and what Mike would have done differently (if anything). Next, Mike opens up about the importance of taking responsibility for your failures without letting them define you, how he explains losing to his son, and what a UFC belt would mean to him. On a lighter note, Will, Mike, and the boys rank candy bars (and discover they are all on VERY different pages), they answer a fan question from the Bussin' Video Mailbox, and they wrap up with some predictions of who Mike could/would fight next. Enjoy! ----- BUSSIN' MAIL: Send a video to The Boys! bit.ly/BussinMail ----- EARN YOUR WOLF: Want to be featured on our Instagram Story? Screenshot this episode, tag @bussinwtb, and share it to your Story. The Boys will take care of the rest... ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ----- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: Chevy Silverado: The Strongest, Most Advanced Silverado Ever. FreeFly: Get 20% off when you visit http://barstool.link/FreeFlyBUSSIN Roman: Visit your local Walmart store today and check out Roman’s line of men’s healthcare products SLIQ (Jel Sert): http://barstool.link/SLIQBUSSIN Nuts.com: Text BARSTOOL to 64-000 to get free shipping on your first order from Nuts.com http://barstool.link/NutsBUSSINFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And support your local Chevy dealership boys. we have on Mike Chandler. We will get into all of the fun stuff. I was pleasantly surprised that you still wanted to come on and do the podcast. I didn't like count you out of not coming and doing the pod. Just because when I was reaching out to you, I'm just like, you know. Number one, I was telling Garrett on the way over here, just like how much of a pro and just how high your emotional intelligence is in the first place.

So like when something like that happens, like obviously people want to find stuff. like your corner wants to find things to tell you that's going to lift you out because everybody wants to be there for you. Yeah. Because they feel like they experience the loss with you. Yeah. And so when I'm texting you, it's like, you know, this dude knows. Like he knows the game. How long have you been fighting?

It'd be 13 years in August. That's what I'm saying. Like you've been in the fight game so long. It's like it just seems like such a like the biggest moment because it's happening right now. Yeah. And it's the UFC 262. Like it seems so huge because it's, you know, obviously. I know all of us.

We're tuned in watching, like, again, I was telling Cody, because we're all fired up at the house watching. We're moving. It's not like when Cody used to wrestle. Yeah. Like being on the mat watching him wrestling. And then when it happens, you're just kind of like, it just takes the energy out. And you just, the moment seems so huge at that point in time. But it's like you've been in the fight game so long.

You, you, like, this is like part of the journey. Yeah, it is. And I mean, I think the biggest thing, and this is why I, so to give a little bit of background, you know, we already planned this. to be here, you know. We planned to have the belt the belt on the bus. Yeah, he said the belt is coming to the bus. I'm like, hey, that's fucking sick. And, you know, you sent me a nice text, you know, like keep your head up type of deal.

And then you followed back up. And then I said, hey, just so you know, like, I'll see you on the bus. And we were like, you know, I'm not quite sure, you know, okay, yeah, if you're down with it, let's go. But you don't have to feel me out. Like, the seat was open. I thought, because I was like, hey, man, thinking about you. Yeah. And said something else.

And you're like, yo, can I still come on the bus at 1 p.m.? I was like, you're goddamn right. Like, we got a seat warm for you. Well, and that's, I mean, that's the thing, man. The old, the old me would have, you know, I kind of give a talk now about, because I lost three fights in a row, 688 days. I went without winning a fight back a couple years ago. And I made three mistakes.

And the number one, the first mistake I made was I wanted to hide from the loss. Media was calling me. I was up for five of the year. They wanted me to present an award at the World MMA Awards. Hey, come, come present this award. I didn't take anybody's phone calls, anybody's text messages, anybody's emails. I was off social media because I was just embarrassed, ashamed, I wanted to hide. But man, this is where the growth happens.

The growth happens in these moments where I can sit next to you. I mean, a guy who's lost. I mean, you're an athlete. Everyone in here, it doesn't matter if you're an athlete, if you're a non-athlete, we all suffer loss. We all suffer setbacks. We all make promises that we want. want to make good on like I wanted to bring that belt home like me and my son prayed for daddy's

belt every single night for the last two months the last eight weeks we prayed every single night about daddy's belt and why daddy is gone why daddy has to be in florida has to be working has to be training has to be away from his son away from his fatherly duties away from the promise that i made to him so i wanted to make good on that promise but the belt is just the piece of the 12 pounds of leather and gold that signifies being a world champion. But in order to be a champion in life, you have to keep moving from setback to setback without losing the enthusiasm,

without losing the steam with complete disregard to my previous failures, my previous setbacks, one that just happened 48 hours ago. I still got the black guy to prove it. You know, millions of people saw it. And I'm sure there's a lot of people saying a lot of things about me, you know, eating my words and I wasn't that good.

But I'm choosing not to hear those things and just moving forward in a positive light that this is part of the journey. And when we do win that belt, when the belt does come on the belt for the boys with the boys, it's going to be even better. So I hit the ground running this morning. I got a sauna session in 40 minutes, just, you know, disciplined myself like Tom. Is this sauna at your house? No, I actually have one here. It's not put together. We just moved and stuff.

So I just went to the YMCA and which was much hotter anyway. So I sat there for 40 minutes and sweated it out, sweated out the sweat that was. in me for that fight and then sweated it out Monday morning we hit the we hit the ground running did something for my body my soul and now here we are talking about it expressing through the loss admitting the failure but not only admitting the failure sitting here with a smile on my face saying Saturday really did end Saturday night and Sunday morning a new sun rose and Monday morning the sun rose again a little bit more painfully a little bit more you know a little bit more tough but man this is it's all part of life this this whole thing and that's why

people are drawn to mix martial arts is that is it's a metaphor for life like what i went through on on sat on saturday night had a really had a great first round one 10-8 on two of the three score cards and then got caught you know got caught and lost and the other guy left with the belt that i was supposed to have yeah this is life talk about um because before we get into all the fight and everything like that talk about those the next 24 hours after that loss after you You recollect your thoughts. You give the interview with Joe Rogan. Like, what are the next 24 hours actually like?

Like, yes, the sun does rise. And I think this is, I was telling Garrett on the way over, the reason I was fired up about talking to you is because this is the majority of everyone's journey in life anyway is failures most of the time. You fail your way to the top. Like you go through so many setbacks to end up see you at the top getting to the top. Like, it's not just some escalator that takes you up there. Like this is the majority of what life looks like is losing.

Yep. So take us through those first 24 hours after the loss, after the press conference. You're banging your head against the mic. Like you can see the emotion. Like it was, it sucked watching it. And you just know like, fuck, man. Take us through those those first 24, 48 hours. Well, I think I think the hardest thing, the hardest part about mixed martial arts is it is it is just so tumultuous.

There is always a chance that you can lose even if you're a thousand to one favorite. Man, we're wearing four ounce gloves, these tiny little bitty gloves. And you have these spots on your body, you know, the temple, the chin, wherever it may be, the liver, wherever it may be, where the body just shuts off and says, nope, we're done. And the fight is over. And I prepared perfectly. I left no stone unturned. I did every single thing that I possibly could, lived my life like a champion from the moment. Hunter Campbell, who is number two in command at the UFC, and then Dana called me that

that same day. Whenever they called me and said, hey, you're fighting Charles Olivera, May 15th for the UFC title. From that moment, I lived my life like a champion, did exactly what I needed to do to put myself in the best situation to win. So when it's over and you don't win, then it's, then it's just, you know, kind of the bang in my head on the mic, I think it was after a reporter and Mark Romandi asked me a question about something. And that's when, you know, every now and then it just kind of hits you and you're like, dang, man, it's over. Like it's over.

You can't get this one back. It's not a dream. You're not going to wake up. And the bell's about to ring and you're going to get another chance. Yeah. That's exactly what we were saying. Like, I'm going to let you finish that thought too. But when you like lose a playoff game or something happens where it's just not.

And it was the same thing when it was final that you had lost. It's like waking up from a dream. and that bell's going to ring again and you're going to have another shot. Yep. Because I've had those nightmares and a lot of times I do have those nightmares two weeks before the fight.

I imagine or I think I wake up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night like I got knocked out, I got choked out. Or I got extremely tired. I got outclassed. I just got beat. And, you know, that's kind of what it felt like

when the press conference is over. Then it's like, okay, now you go back to normal life. I knew even after the fight, back there, it was just me and my wife. I'm freaking crying. and my cry my eyes out. Usada is right there. I'm almost pretty much almost cussed that guy out because I'm like,

dude, give me a second to breathe, man. Like, I'm going to pee in your cup. It's fine. Oh, he's trying to get you to take a piss test right when you got back. Oh, man. Well,

I went back to go see the doctor and he's doing the lights and the eyes to check my eyes, check my balance, check my concussion, whatever protocols. And he's there and he's like, hey, man, and I'm with Usada, you got to pee in this cup.

I'm like, okay, well, give me a second, man. Like, give me one second. and so then he followed me back there and it was just me and Bree and then I you know did the use side of thing I apologized to him because I wasn't wasn't the nicest did you cuss maybe probably I don't know man you don't you're pretty tight you're pretty you're pretty disciplined with the cuss yeah I mean I don't

know man it's and I think it's it's that you know when it hits you that it's over and that's but that's the thing I I truly sit here I truly sit here with zero regrets like I did every single thing that I possibly could. And this is just the nature of life in general, outside of an octagon, but in the octagon especially, it's just the nature of the business, man. You win some and you lose some. And unfortunately, you're going to lose often. I mean, I fought the number three guy in the world, a guy who was on an eight-fight winning streak, a guy who's now the number one guy in the world, a guy who, you know, he's great. He's good. My next fight is going to be against another guy who's top five, who's great, whoever that is.

Like I'm you know you're fighting in the upper echelon you're going you're going to lose and And so I think that was that was just it. It's like man if I had another shot I would probably win that fight you know So you you start playing you replaying it over and it's like should I have let him up in the first round and should or should I have done this or should I have done that? But when you did every single thing that you possibly could to put yourself in the best situation to win, you really can't have any regrets and that's the only thing I can ask for if I if I lost that fight and I was like gosh damn man if that weight cut wasn't so bad because I wasn't disciplined with my weight or if I you know came in and I and I knew I didn't really train that hard or I didn't I slacked in this area I slacked in the area I had no I had none of that because I did every single thing that I possibly could to win the fight to get myself in the position when that page door closed and

that bell rang that I was going to showcase my skills and may the best man win that's what I said that's what I always say I preach it all the time you you got to embrace the uncertainty that's about to happen. And part of embracing that uncertainty is the fact that you may lose. Shoot, there might even be a 50% chance that you're going to lose and more than 50% chance that you're going to lose because you're fighting the best guy in the world. It's like, like you said, a playoff game. You don't just fall to the playoffs. You just fall into a playoff game. You have to be good enough to be in a playoff game. And then chances are you're playing against a team who is really freaking good. And you're both rising to the occasion. And you're both rising to the occasion.

And then made the best man win. And the better man won that night, I guess. guess, if you will, or that night he was the better man, we could fight 10 more times and I could win 10 more times. You never, it's just part of the game. I know, man. And two, I didn't know it took him so long to get a title fight. Somebody had mentioned a stat that it's been 11 years since like this was his first title fight. And it's been like 11 years for him to be in the game to get a get a chance. He signed with the UFC in 2010. I started fighting in 2009. So the guy's been cut his teeth in the organization. And that's what I said. I mean, in a lot of people, a lot of people see the things that I say on, on the microphone or in interviews or this

and that, like I'm hyping up a fight and I wasn't hyping up a fight. I truly believed that Charles Oliveira wanted to win just as bad as I did. This was his opportunity when he was born in the favelas of Brazil, which is like the ghettos of Brazil. And he had this glimmer in his eye that he was going to one day become a world champion in the UFC. This was that moment that he dreamed about, you know, and take nothing away from him. He's he, he, he, he beat me, you know, but I truly believed that I was going to beat him. And that's when, that's when, that's when, that's when magic happens, when you got two guys or two teams or two, two individuals fighting for the same,

for the same exact thing. Someone's got to win, someone's got to lose. And then it just, then it just, after that, it all depends on how does he respond as the champion and how to respond to the guy who, who lost in the championship fight. And I think by just by sitting here speaking about it, we get to move forward quicker than if we hide from it, shield our eyes from it, not answer the phone calls,

not, you know, all of a sudden just think that I'm not that good anymore or fall into this self-pity, this self-perpetuating, the perpetuating, revolving door of, okay,

maybe I'm not that good. And I truly believe I'm still going to be a UFC champion. Just going to take a little bit longer than I thought. Dude, I mean, you're right, man. Adversity shows people who they are

because it's all about how you respond to anything that happens ever in your life. It's all, it's like all in your response about how you do it. Are we, we're not, we're not doing the whole interruption of the, the ad rates today because this is fucking,

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That's a decent little set in there. I saw the ad come up. The last couple weeks we've interrupted. We have an alarm go off. And we have to immediately go in. You have to one take only. You don't know anything about what you're about to read. And you just go one take and go through the ad.

And we had Josh Wolf on last week, and he just destroyed us, chirped as hard. But we've had fun with the ad reads. But to get back into the conversation about adversity creating, I think Taylor tweeted it the other night, too. Adversity shows or adversity, I almost just repeated what I said earlier. but essentially adversity shows a man who he is.

And another reason I was fascinated to sit with you because I know you handle this stuff very well. I am curious though what you said earlier, the old Chandler would have not wanted to see anything, you know, wanted to kind of hide, shell away and stuff like that. Why? Why were you that way back then? And why do you think it's different now? You know, I just think it's a maturation process. I think I'm much more comfortable in my own skin than I used to be.

You know, I mean, I make it no secret. I was a small guy from a small town who was taught to do small things. And I broke that mold. But part of that mold, you know, but I also see, like even raising a child, you know, and you brought up your dog earlier. Like what happens when a dog knows that he peed or pooped on the floor? And then you acknowledge it. The dog immediately runs away and tries to tuck their tail between their legs.

And they want to run from it. They want to hide from it. when my son does something wrong or he, when we're potty training them and he pees or poops in his pants, immediately he doesn't want to make eye contact. He's looking away. He even wants to lie. He wants to lie and tell you,

no, I didn't. When you know darn well, he did, because you can smell it. Yeah. I think it's, it's partly human nature. I think it's partly,

you know, we as human beings, we don't want to let people down. We have this innate yearning to, to not let people down. And I think in mixed martial arts, it's such an, individual sport too that the the loss was on display for everybody to see and it wasn't you know it wasn't

the boys lost and the boys were behind me right you're behind me and taylor's behind me my team is behind me but it's not their loss it's my it's no we go to bed later that night you know and so it's it's such an individual thing but in that there's so much freedom because you have the opportunity to show people that even in an individual sport, even though I can, like I said, I was coming here, I'm not coming here with a belt, but I'm coming here with my heart on my sleeve. And I could show up today with my heart on my sleeve

with complete disregard to that failure that I had just 48 hours ago. And not disregard for it, but I'm not going to let it hinder me. I'm not going to let it define me because failure is an event and it's not a person. I am not a failure. I failed on Saturday night,

but the way that I respond and the way that I move forward can prove to those that have failed and prove to those that have seen the failure or had failures that they can in the future still become a champion and I truly, I mean, I was brought to tears earlier when I saw my wife make a post and she sent me a message

and that I am a world champion in life because of who I have in it, the things that I do have, the fact that I walked onto the bus with two capable arms and two capable legs and I get to do what I love and I have a platform to reach people, and I do have love in droves.

I have health in droves. I have a ridiculous support system around me in abundance, and these are the things that last. That belt would have been awesome to bring on this bus, but it's just 12 pounds of golden leather, and it will tarnish, and it will fade, and it means a lot. It means the epitome of accomplishment

inside the confines of mixed martial arts competition. It means I'm the number one guy in the world, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to be happy, doesn't mean that I'll be healthy, doesn't mean that I'm going to to live a long and prosperous life that will in turn, inspire, motivate, and reach people. So it's the old Michael would have just would have wanted to not do this. The old Michael would have said, oh man, give me a couple weeks. Give me, and those weeks would have turned into a couple months.

And they would have turned into, you know, sleepless nights. And they would have turned into a lot of self-pity. And they would have turned into a lot of blaming. And it would have turned into a lot of a lot of self-deprecate. thing, which really, truthfully, is a lot of selfishness. I think we also, we also look at our failures in a vacuum and say, well, I deserve this time to, and I do. I mean, if I, if I, if I know you understand this too, if I would have said, hey, man, I've seen

a couple weeks, you know, maybe I'll be back on the bus in a couple weeks. You would have not thought anything of it. Give him a couple weeks, let them, let them cool off, let them, let them lick his wounds, if you will. And I think I've earned that. But I also know it does sometimes come from a selfishness to thinking that all of these things and these losses happen inside of a vacuum. And these things happened to us instead of for us. And I truly believe that this loss happened for me so that this chapter of this journey,

now we can close this chapter of the first world title. Now it was a loss. And now I get to build myself back up and I get to have some amazing fights. and I get to have that next chapter, which will be winning the UFC title, I think eventually. So I think the old Michael would have ran from it. The old Michael would have shielded himself from it and thought that, okay, if I just block everything out,

that's where the real healing can happen. Or until I win again. Or until I win again. Yeah. So I know a lot of times people want to get back to the spot where they're obviously comfortable. Well, that's the hardest. Because there's insecurity that comes with not wanting to face certain.

certain truths and stuff of that nature. And that's the hardest part about mixed martial arts. I mean, you brought your brother up earlier. I mean, obviously, most of the boys know I wrestled in high school, wrestled in college. And that was the best part about wrestling. If you lost on Wednesday, you got the opportunity to weigh in again Thursday or Friday or Saturday.

Yeah. And you get back in the wind column. I'm not going to be able to get back in the wind column and get my hand raised inside that UFC Octagon until, you know, I don't know, November, December, January. So there's going to be months. And I can't wait. that long. I can't wait that long to say, okay, I'll get back on the winning track back then,

because my next training session will immediately become, okay, either I failed completely or I was successful today. And the old Michael focused so much on being perfect once I got to a certain point, once I won that first world title, once I got to that number three in the world, number five in the world, once I got that world ranking, I focused so much on being perfect because that's what I thought a world champion was. That's what I thought the athlete at the highest. level was but truthfully we're all human beings we're all flawed individuals we will have we will suffer losses we will suffer setbacks and and truthfully it says so much more about how you conduct yourself after a loss oh then it would if i came here on the belt and on the bus with the belt and not that

trust me boys i wish i had the belt oh i mean i wish i won but but now now it gives us an opportunity to talk about how do we where do we go from here how do we move forward from here and luckily i've been here before and I've been and I've battled back from worse than losing to number three guy in the world in a UFC title fight. There's a lot of great things that came from this weekend and I think my response moving forward

will do more for my legacy for the future accolades for the support system for the boys for the following for the everything than even the win. And I still got this story is far from being over. What is what is

kind of next for you. You mentioned November, December, January, February. You think it's going to be that long until you're able to get back in the ring? I think, you know, I mean, I've, I've had a heck of a year, man. You have had a year, but I feel like it's been a whirlwind. We came in hot, man. Because you had to be ready for the fight that you didn't end up fighting in. That was one step, which is obviously, you know, a great move by everybody's part. And it was a full training camp. Yeah. Did a full training camp for that opportunity, which was just a backup role. And then I did another full training camp for January and then another full training camp for May. Yeah.

And now here we are, May 17th. And, uh, you know, we're halfway through the year. So I'll probably, I'll probably be here in Nashville for a solid two months. I mean, I'm, I'm going to go back to Florida. I have a home down in Florida now. So it's much. Yeah. No.

Well, it's it was a mandatory. It was a mandatory situation. Yeah. I was doing the VRBO thing and it, and then I had a book of VRBO and book a rental car. And I just, I'm going to have my own life in Florida. Because you got your team. Your setup down there. Yeah.

Yeah. So, I mean, I have my gym here, obviously, Nashville MMA, and we can train and we can. There's the UFC call in there right now. Do you want to answer? We can cut it off if you want to answer it. Hey, it's the UFC, man. Yes, sir. This episode of Bustin with the Boys is also brought to you by Roman.

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Just calling and checking in, man. And I'll tell you what, man. I love my career. I love Bellator. I love fighting for them. But the UFC is a special, special organization. The people that they have, the level at which they operate, the security staff, the operation staff, they are just high functioning individuals, man.

They run the company and they invest in the company. They invest in the people like they're trying to take over the world. And that's what I love about them. And that's why I feel like I'm so equally yoked with them. So, yeah, to get that phone call on Monday morning after the tough loss, you know, it's, it's good. But like I said, man, work boots are on. Maybe you need to take a little, take a little bit of time off. Let the body rest.

Let the body, like get back to neutral. Cool the jets a little bit. But this journey is far from over. Yeah. If I'm your agent on the phone, I'm saying, hey, 12 weeks, what we got, boys. Let's get back in the ring. Yeah, I mean, that's, no, I mean, it's, uh, it's, uh, Yeah, we'll see.

I mean, like we said, like we were talking. How, I came out hot. Yeah. Oh, 100%. And obviously there's going to be some time in between now and your next fight. What is your routine and, like, body maintenance and training camps and all that stuff? What's that going to look like for you for the next several months? Like, how does that work for a fighter?

Because usually, yeah, you got a 12, 16 week camp. But outside of that, like, what does that stuff look like for you? So for me, I mean, I've always just, I've always. just try to treat my body head to toe like I'm a professional athlete and I don't think a lot of fighters don't you know a lot of them are a lot of them show up into training camp eight weeks 10 weeks out before ready to get in shape shed the fat get your cardio back up man I want to be in tip top shape and ready to go the day my feet hit the pavement down in Florida and I can move forward and do training camp in shape in you know lean ready to go so I can just work on skills just work

on game plan, just work on acquiring new skills. So between training camps, like, you know, I landed on Sunday, hit the sauna this morning. So I'll do strength and conditioning this week. My body, you know, my body's not not banged up. I'm a little bit sore here and there. Took a couple leg kicks. Hands are sore as heck from, you know, punching or whatever. Beat the shit out of them. Yeah, my hands are feeling sore, dude. But, you know, but it's just the little things that I can just work around and just keep my body moving. because I truly believe this. I don't think we get old. I think we get lazy and we get busy. We get really busy and then we justify and then we become lazy.

So I think at 35 years old I feel like I'm still 25. My body still feels like I'm 25 because I've stuck to my body work. I've stuck to, I use my roller every day. I use my so right every day. I'm supplement. I did not miss supplements. I see this so right plug. I brought, yeah, when I brought my supplements,

I brought my supplements to the arena with me on Saturday night so I could take them Saturday night and I took them. Woke up Sunday morning. I already had another bag ready. Took them Sunday morning. Have not missed my supplements since. And I imagine most people like, ah, dude, that's only for training camp. I'm good. I'm going to take a couple days off. Not me. I actually doubled my dose of

omegas because I took some shots to the head. Double tripled my dose of turmeric and curcumin, glutatione, antioxidant. So just like reading my body of the inflammation. We're doing some homemade enchiladas tonight. Shout out to Breeze enchiladas. No free

Hey, no shoutouts. No free shouts. No free shouts. Going to corner pub, picking up some smoke, some smoke, some smoke chicken for enchiladas. Nice. Shoutout corner pub. No free shoutouts. You know, so it'll be a good home-cooked meal that's kind of feel like a cheap meal, but it's still healthy.

It depends. What do you put on the enchiladas now? There's cheese going on the enchiladas? I'm not a big cheese guy, so I'm going to lightly spread some cheese. A lot of sour. I'm a big sour cream guy, though. No free shouts. some shout

just anything you say hey Daisy Daisy sour cream real free shouts yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I went to the bathroom

hey no free shots to that bathroom you know so back to my body and taking care I mean

I just want to I always say this too I as a fighter we always think okay well punching kicking kneeing elbow and grappling and grappling

defense those are those are the most important things but I also think if all things are equal and we're just as if me and my opponent strike the same and we grapple the same, we wrestle the same,

the guy who is the better athlete who can push for longer and not just push for longer, but push for longer after it gets painful, who is mentally tough, physically tough, and a better athlete, that guy is going to probably be the guy who has a better chance of winning. So I've always just tried to become a better athlete,

especially between training camps. So I'm working a, I'll be doing a ton of strength conditioning, lifting a little bit heavier, put on a little bit more muscle mass that I lost during training camp because for eight to 10, 10 weeks, I'm basically operating at a calorie deficit every day to shed the fat, lose a little bit of muscle mass so I can make 155.

Like, you know, I woke up this morning on 184. Oh, shit. Yeah, in a week or two, I'll probably be closer to 190. You know, after I put on maybe a little bit of body fat. So I'm like cutting from 190 to 155. So I'm going to lose a little bit of muscle mass to get down to. Yo, that's insane, man. 190 down to 155?

Yeah, it's not fun. It's the worst part about fighting. But at what point were you 1,55? Like, when was the way in? Friday, Friday morning. And you're walking, you're right now, what, would you say, 184 this morning? So you're walking around already 20 pounds heavier.

Yeah. That's insane. That's 30. Hey, is that 30? Hey, somebody checked that. Somebody checked the fucking tape. Did we say 84? It was 80.

Carry the, carry the wings. That's 30, yeah. Almost 30. It's 29. And granted, I flew yesterday. Cole, what are you still fucking doing here? somebody grab a calculator just get mad lash out of somebody it's not as easy for you like you're you know but I always know

85 is 30 75 is 20 yeah that that's bad by me I pride myself on math so there goes any math credibility you're fine but if you ask me you know 120 120 something to 150 something I don't know what that is but I know what 150 something to 1 70 something 80 something 90 something just I get it I didn't get it it right man no you're good about it's that uh Mizarre Surrey education. Yeah. We've both got it.

We're good. So you're walking around 30 pounds heavier. Yeah. 30 pounds heavier, is. How much weight do you gain from the way into the fight? So that was, yeah, I was about 177 when I did my workout Saturday morning because I always do a shakeout. I always do like a hard pad session.

Saturday morning, sweat a little bit, shake it out a little bit, go over a little bit of game plan stuff. And then we fight Saturday night. So I was like 177. So you're already up over 20 pounds. Yeah. At that point. Yeah.

Well, I mean, just simple nuts and bolts. Like a gallon of water weighs eight pounds. And I can crush a gallon of water in the first hour. So I'm already up eight pounds. And then after two hours, three hours, I'm already through two gallons of water. That's 16 pounds, you know. Is it like the old wrestling days where you go to the, when you're a kid, you weigh in, you make weight, and you go to the nearest buffet in town and just load the plate up?

No, well, that's one of the great things about the UFC. No free shots, no shots. No shots at the UFC. And no free shots to the buffet. Fes either. No fucking free shout out. Golden Corrales. You act like you got to.

But no, you know, they had all their meal set up. So, I mean, I had a big old thing of rice and salmon, rice and chicken afterwards. So I had been eating essentially the same thing for the last eight weeks. So the last thing I want to do. I want everything in me wanted to go grab a pizza. No doubt. No doubt. Or even like a big pasta or something.

And I think I actually did have one gluten-free pasta that night. No free douching. No rich shouts to pasta. I thought we would come together and like, you know, a bond over a memory of, like, being young, making way you go to the nearest buffet, but you were like, no, I know, salmon rice and shit. Like, okay, yeah.

No, I thought before your UFC title fight, you were fucking pounded some pieces. I just wanted to keep it all the same. And then, you know, and then afterwards, even that night, man, after the fight, I finally ate that snickers. Did you hear about the snickers? No.

Like there was a, so right before I got the phone call from Hunter Campbell, like two days before, no, I guess a couple days before that. We were at an airport because we went to San Diego and Bree got me a Snickers. No free shouts, but she got me a Snickers is my favorite, my favorite candy bar. And I stuck it in my bag and I didn't eat it. And it stayed with me the whole trip. I forgot it.

And then I got the phone call that I was fighting for the UFC title. And then that same day I pulled it out. And I'm like, dang, dude, I can't eat this. Now this sucks. So I had it down to Florida with me for the last two months, like kind of set it up on my like. Yeah. Like, I'm not going to eat you. Yeah.

This is like me. Yeah. You know, my flexes and discipline. Yeah. And then so it made the countdown show Or no, it made, yeah, it made the countdown show And it made the embedded show And then people, people immediately came and like,

Look at Chandler trying to get the Snickers Or look at the UFC shamelessly promoting Snickers And I was like, no man, that's just a funny story, you know. Yeah, but Snickers, if you want to sponsor our boy. Yeah, well, Chandler, you know, no free shots. If you want to be for the boys. Yeah, exactly. Then pony up and call in.

But it was after the fight, it was already so late, you know, I didn't hit the press conference until almost won. And then everything was pretty much closed. Like, I could have got pizza or cut out something. I was like, I was like, because Bree was like,

hey, what can I get you? I want to get you some food, get you this, what do you want? Alcohol is out of the question because I got, you know, TK. O'd, so I wasn't going to drink anything.

Yeah. But as far as food, you know, all bets are off. I could have eaten anything. But then it's like, this would make me feel real depressed if I really fill myself

with a bunch of freaking food. So I was like, I'm going to eat this, I'm going to eat this Snickers and I ate, I think I ate like another protein bar or something. And that was pretty, that was it.

And then I woke up the next morning and had a breakfast. Snickers is your favorite candy bar? By far, that's what I took out of that whole thing. Yeah, but, well, I mean,

I used to have them like back in wrestling, but all the way back to wrestling, man, like, like just, get done with weigh-ins, you know, those wrestling,

those wrestling tournaments, loud as heck, you're just freaking munching on a snickers or like, Goober. Did you ever have Goober back in the day? Oh, yeah,

the chocolate? Yeah, gobers. No, sorry. No, it was the, it was the jar that had peanut butter and jelly, peanut butter jelly,

peanut butter jelly, It's called Goober. No, I don't think so. I thought Goobers were like a little, yeah, a little ball. Like you get the movies or some shit. Goober. Is it called Goober? Yeah.

Yeah, man, like that with on some bread. You know, that's what reminds me. It sounds like it's just called a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Pretty much, but it's, it's a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in a jar. You don't have to have a jar of peanut butter and a jar of jelly and the bread. Yeah. So you only have two ingredients instead of one. I want to go back to the Snickers.

Oh, yeah. No free shots. Top three candy bars. Snickers, Baby Ruth. Baby Ruth, for sure. Are you just trying to be different there? Are you really like,

you don't like Baby Ruth? I like Baby Ruth. I don't think it's in my top three. Yeah, and then Almond Joy. Coconut, almond, chocolate. Top three. 100%. All three.

No free shots to any of you guys. Almond Joy? Yeah, bro. Kind of light. All the candy bars out there? Kind of light. I mean, I'll probably missing a couple, but I'm a creature out.

You're missing Reese's. Yeah. No, I do. I like Reese's in ice cream. I'm like a big Reese's ice cream. Oh, I'm a sucker for Reese's and ice cream, bro. Yeah. Anything chocolate.

I'm a big chocolate guy. Yeah. You'll go into the frozen yogurt, you know, little spot. Get you, get you. First of all, you sample the entire place. Yeah, you have to. And you probably sample it again because you're like. Not quite sure.

You got to go through the whole, the whole list, even the, the Sherbert that they try to put in there that make you feel better about yourself. Like, I'll try the Sherbert and be like, yeah, don't like Sherbert again. You got to try them all. And then you got to eliminate. Then you got to make it to the second round. Then you try to sample a few more. By that time, you're already getting a little full.

But you know what you want? At that point, it's all chocolate for me. I don't sample the fruit, the fruit stuff. Same. I'm not the fruit bar stuff either. It'll be like all the strawberries and stuff like that.

I'm talking all the candies, all the like the caramel, the fudge. That's the best. Boys, what are you guys is top candy bars? Eminem's speakers and greas. Eminem's isn't a bar?

Yeah. Oh, that's a, that's a little. debate too. Really? Reesis isn't either. Yeah, Rees isn't either. I mean, it's a cup.

Oh, you're saying Rees isn't a candy bar. Reese's Fast break. Okay, what about the Easter Rees? Yeah, the eggs. The bunnies? That's a bar. The bunnies?

Rees is period. Rees is up there. I am a huge fan of Snickers, big Snickers guy. I'm also a big Heathbar guy. The meat's a sleeper. I like it more in my, in my ice cream, but I'm a big Heath bar guy.

Heath, yeah, Heath isn't. I know, it's questionable. I understand. Stick your teeth too. Yeah. Whatever that is. But then first bites, man. And when you bite into the Heath Bar too and kind of like the, the aura, the vibe that comes

off of the bar of the sensation that kind of goes in your mouth. You know what I mean? I love that. No pause. So you don't like this shit, dude. You don't like, you don't like, you don't like. Candy Bar reviews is going to be coming up soon. There you go.

Did you see my mental going in to trying to figure out what the? the taste was like. Yeah, you said aura. The boys do bars. I do think it's a vibe. The boys do bars. I think when you light them all up. When you bite into a Heath bar, it's like, it's like, I don't know.

It's like an essential oil feeling your mouth, like a heath, that Heath taste. You know what I mean? I like that. I like that. It's an experience. Yeah. But you don't like Baby Ruth. I like Baby Ruth.

You know, I like chocolate. I like nuts. I like caramel. Yeah, I mean, that's all in there. I'm just surprised that it's actually making your top three. He said, yeah. I'm just surprised it's making your actual top three. And Almond Joy, I get it.

You like coconut. You need to seem like you got a healthier-ish bar in there. I just don't see how it's actually making your top three like that. Like there's so many good candy bars out there. Twicks? We've even talking about Twits. See, I'm not the big wafer. Not like the wafer that much.

But I like the chocolate and the... It's just chocolate and wafer, right? The caramel sitting in there on top, dude? Kit-cat bars? Butterfinger. Oh, Butterfinger! Ah, see, no, not, no. You like almond joy over the what we just named?

Yeah, because, see, I don't, I don't like, I don't like, what was the one we just said? The texture of butterfinger. Uh, kick, Twix. No, Butterfinger. But I don't like Butterfinger because I feel like it's fake. It's too fake of peanut butter. I see what you're saying. It's not like, Rieces, that's, that's like peanut butter you could put on a sandwich and make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, but you can't.

I don't like the butterfinger. I'm a, I love the, uh, I love butterfingers. But butter fingers, you can actually, you can't, like, have like, small bites of butterfingers. Because you take a bite and it flakes all over. over you, you know what I mean? It's got to shove the whole thing. Yeah. What else we got?

Milky Way. I was never a big Milky Way guy. No. No, too soft. I like the crunch of a nut. Rollos are good. Crunch of a nut. I'm just saying, sorry, I'm immature.

Crunch of a nut, bro. Hershey's like, it's like whatever, you know what I mean? Like, just give me Hershey's kiss. Hershey's is just chocolate. Crunch bar, don't really care. Mike, going back to the weigh-in thing? Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm sorry, I thought we were done with this.

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oh shit, they are way bigger than they were the other night? No, because I know I am. Like, I bet that that's what they think about me. Okay. I like that. No free shouts to me. Yeah, no free shout. No, free shouts to 1-85 me.

No, but, No, I mean, I think sometimes, yeah, I mean, it is a crazy thing because we, you know, you spend all this time thinking about your opponent. You spend all this time watching footage or maybe their fights or their highlights, their low lights. Then you do the face off and the way in and you start, you see them on fight week. They started, you know, a little bit sucked down, a little bit frail. And then when you step inside the, the octagon, you know, okay, that's the guy, I'm fighting. He's a big boy, you know. Charles Olivera was definitely taller than me, longer than me,

but he was very, he was slender. I guarantee I weighed more than he did. But no, not really. I mean, we're all relatively the same size, you know. Yeah, you're built like an Amstaff. I'm pretty thick. You know what I mean? Two Cs.

Let's talk about the fight. First round, number one, me and my brother shout out. Ain't no free shout us to Cody Compton, but all three shots because he's a boy. We've obviously armchair QBed this whole thing. You know what I mean? Why didn't you let him up? Let's talk about the first round.

Did you ever feel in trouble when he had your back? Because you did a great job controlling the wrist, but were you ever, there's times where I was getting a little nervous. I was like, oh, shit. Especially when you picked him up and slammed him down. It didn't seem like it got him off of you. Were you ever feeling a little nervous about that? So I wasn't because I really feel comfortable when someone has my back

that they're not going to choke me. I can shrug my shoulders and I don't have the longest neck and it's like big. They're like a pit. Yeah. You know, so it's like I'm not that easy to choke for the most part. And then when I get wrist control and I get a one on one or I get my two hands on his one wrist, which is what I did. Yeah.

I ate a couple shots because he had the one arm free. But for the most part, I knew I wasn't letting that bad dog go. And that's what I preached to all the young guys who were out there grapple. And it's like you get that one, that one wrist. A, you're going to get out and B, he can't choke you. So I held it and I had that sucker for like a full minute, I think. Oh, yeah. My forearms are sore as heck and it's not from anything else besides probably holding that sucker for dear life.

And then I did, I usually am able to do exactly what I did. And he is literally the best grappler in the lightweight division. Maybe one of the best grapplers on the planet. Most submission wins in the UFC, most submission wins in the UFC history. And I didn't really feel in danger and I was able to reverse it by keeping the, keeping the two on one going over my head and spinning inside of his his triangle that he had around my body he had long legs so he made a figure four right he made a figure four right my body because his legs were so long which is not an easy position he's squeezing the heck out of you yes but once you start

getting sweaty by that time we were sweaty slammed him it kind of loosened up a little bit then we kind of sat there a second he threw through a couple punches a couple elbows but i was kind of just buying my time waiting to explode and i exploded and then got on top yeah and then you put on a little bit of a show. I thought they were going to stop the fight at one point. I thought, man, dude, I'm telling you, we were on our feet screaming, dude. I thought that they were going to end up stopping the fight at that time. And that's where I go back and forth because I think, I think if I would have just backed off and said, get up, maybe I could have knocked them out. But then again, I'm, I get a lot of finishes when I'm on top of a guy just ground and pounding.

You know, ground and pounding them. I have good. I have pretty good. He just, long as he's at the really long legs. He was trying to keep me at bay. Through a couple kicks, came back in. You know, I'm trying to, you're aiming for the temple, the side of the head, hit the ear. Jaw, obviously, landed, landed some good ground and pound strikes, a couple elbows, cut them open. So I think, I think it was a 50-50 thing. If you look at it and you think, man, what a should have could, I probably should

have just stood them up. We had about a minute 15 left. I maybe could have finished him on the feet. But then again, you know, my intuition says if I got a guy hurt on his back, I'm going to be able to finish him on the ground. And I've done it numerous times in the past. So I don't say that that was a bad decision. I think it was a decision that maybe could have yielded a knockout or a finish.

But I also could have very easily just finished him on the ground as well. But I didn't. So like when like Rogan and those guys talk about going back to your feet, like what is the benefit of that? Other than being on your feet and being like Mike's better on his feet, stuff like that? Like is there an extra benefit? Like an added benefit? Is it that he's dazed and he's shaken up and you're like making him stand up and he's going to have to fight without all that?

Yeah. So, I mean, conventional wisdom and every fight's a little bit different. Every scenario is different, depending on my attributes and his attributes. But conventional wisdom would say, okay, he just got dropped. I dropped him with the left hook, hit him a couple times. He's on the ground. He's kind of like dazed. I saw the way he was looking at me.

Kind of was looking at me like a deer in the headlights. So to me, I say I'm going in for the kill. I'm going to knock him out on the ground. But I also could have just backed off, said come up. He would have stood up. Probably would have been a little bit wobbly. and if I landed a couple shots, my power punches on the feet

were going to be more effective than the power punches on the bottom. But I also had, I also had the film study that said he'd been finished on the ground before. And if Paul Felder can finish him on the floor or other guys can finish him on the floor, I could definitely finish him on the floor.

So I think that's where I thought, okay, I can finish him on the ground. Or if I don't, I go back to my stool, confidence is sky high, he starts to wilt. And that's where I thought we were. And that's pretty much where we were. but he just, you know, landed something in the second round and, you know, fight didn't.

Yeah. And then at the end of the first, obviously, you went back in at the, just the last, like, five seconds tried getting back in there. But is there a thought, too, like, fuck, I should have, I should have backed up and stood up? Not in the fight there wasn't, but now looking back at it. But that's the unfortunate thing about this, too. You can always, after you lose. Oh, 100%.

We all know what you should have done. We could have done this, and maybe it would have been different. Or I could have done that and maybe it would have been different. So the woodish or should have could is such a, such a tough game to play. And I try not to play it too much anymore because I also, I trust myself. I mean, like I said, if I didn't, I knew I knew I did everything that I possibly could to be successful that night. Yeah. To have no regrets.

And then I also know that I trust myself to be in the fire. I trust myself. Like, you know, if say he doesn't finish me with that flurry and I'm like hurt or whatnot, I trust myself. I know myself to go into autopilot. But I don't get finished and I would have been able to fight for 20, 20 more minutes and I would have won the fight. I truly believe that. But, you know, the fight happened, how it happened. But I don't know, I trust myself to make the decisions.

Right, to make those decisions in the heat of the moment. Yeah. And, you know, so I wouldn't say that I made a bad decision. I think I made a decision. And I think, you know, now we get to, you know, play what I should have could if we want to. For sure. You know, and I don't say that like we should or shouldn't. I mean, it's all.

I'm curious what's going to talk about. Yeah, I'm just curious what's going on in your mind, like as the stuff plays out. Because, you know, I'm thinking in times where I should have made a different decision. You know, I'll sit on the bench or something, but I should have done this. Like, next time I'll get to see it. Obviously, we get more opportunities to see it again. But, like, I'm just curious of the athlete in you. Like, when you get to the end of that first round, you're like, I should have just stood this dude up.

Obviously, you're thinking I'm a whoop his ass in the second round. We all, everyone's excited going into that second round. Yeah, no matter what. I mean, there was two 10-8s on the scorecard and one 10-9 on the scorecard. Right. So two of those judges thought I beat him bad enough to give him, give me a 10. For sure. So in that position, when you get done with the first round, I'm going back to the, I'm going back to the stool, back to the corner, you know, confidence high. Oh, it's similar to if you mess up on the first down, you're not thinking about the first down, going to the second down, third down. You finish the drive. Maybe you go back to the bench. Then you think about what I could have done differently.

Like for me, that's more after the fight. Now it's like, whereas when I went back to the stool, I'm just listening to my coach. Coach Henry's in front of me. Coach Comey's behind me. We're talking about this, that, and the other thing. Keep it simple. Fight's going great. Fights going just fine. I mean, at this point, the best grappler on the planet

took my back, wasn't able to finish me. And even better, I reversed him, did damage, beat him up a little bit, was winning the striking battle on the feet. So, I mean, the fight was going great. So it's, you know, at that point, you're just, you know. Yeah, because if you end up winning that fight, no one's even talking about the first round, like you should have stood him up.

This is obviously all the hindsight, fuck the way you want to wake up from a dream and be like is it going to get to be redone yeah but in the second round man because he barely he barely caught you yeah and is it like

lights get fuzzy for a second and it was such a quick turnaround that you're just like I just got to get I just got to quickly get back like you said and get back on this autopilot before he because you almost get fucking out and he just catches you with that left hand to end it yeah talk talk us through that

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's all, you know, it's, it's all fuzzy, you know, more than anything. But I mean, yeah, I mean, I remember, you know, I remember getting hit. I mean, and I can also go back and watch the replay. So then when you watch the replay and then you think, you try to close your eyes and think, okay, what did I actually see in the fight? You know, you get clipped and then you're, you know, then you're just, then you're just moving. You're evading. You're trying to, you just go in, you go into survival mode. Because, I mean, there's, there's the moments in the fight where you go into survival mode and you survive and then you go into survival mode and you don't survive, like this last one I didn't, obviously.

but I've been in those positions before where you've got to go from, I'm either, you know, you're either extreme offense or your defense or your survival mode in this particular fight. I went, you know, kind of survival mode, you're fuzzy, you don't know which way is up, your equilibrium's off and you just, you know, you're there, but you're not really there. And then before you know it, he runs away and you're like, dang, fights over, huh? Yeah, you're like, well, I could argue with the stoppage,

but I probably shouldn't argue with the stoppage because this guy knows what he's doing and I want to make an idiot out of myself. know because we've all been there before too or we all we all have as fans have been like why is he contesting that stop but she was a getting beat up or b he tapped and there's been fights where guys have tapped out completely the guy gets up and runs away and then the guy's like why did you stop the fight and you're like dude you did you you tapped you not remember tapping you were obviously out you know so that's the hard part too is it's and even and i and i actually do i i'm blessed that i actually got to get on the mic after the fight and joe came over because sometimes joe doesn't do that

And sometimes they don't interview the guy who lost, especially after a TKO or something like that. Because there's been guys who were like mumbling and zumbling. They're like, you know, they're kind of, they're still out and they don't really remember what they're saying or they're saying talking incoherently. And that's not good for the sport. That's not good for, like Joe.

Joe has like gone back on his podcast after on a Monday after a Saturday fight. Like, yeah, man, I shouldn't have interviewed that guy. You know, that was my bad. I should just cut it right, you know, cut it. And they said, you know, in my ear, they said interview him. I just knew he was messed up. He stumbled over me. I shouldn't have done that because that's just...

Not only is a tough spot, you know. The guy just got his hopes and dreams and heart ripped out. But he's also, maybe he's not there coherently. But for me, you know, I was able to get on the mic, and I said my peace and shout out to, you know, Olivero. No free shouts. He is the world champ, you know, and, you know, tap, hat tip to him and let people know I'll be back.

And it's all part of it. Do you know who you think you might be fighting? I don't. Like, who would be on your radar? Like, I don't know. People's known around Gagee. People, obviously, what's going to happen after Connor and Porre fight? And, like, maybe the loser of that or something like that.

Like, who are people that would be on the radar for you? Or that would make that you think in your mind would make sense for you and possibly the UFC? Yeah, I mean, essentially anybody in the top five makes sense, you know. the division moves so fast, the sport moves so fast. I mean, that's even what the UFC brass, you know, talk to them after the fight. And they're just like, hey, man, keep your head up. Keep working.

Man, this sport moves fast. It's a what have you done for me lately business? You're only as good as your last fight. But when you're world class and you're in the top five, your world class and you're in the top five. And there's a, I've only fought Dan Hooker and Charles Oliver at this point. Like you said, there's Porier, there's Gauchy, there's Connor, there's Ferguson, Benil Darryush is now in the top five.

there's so there's no no shortage of guys to fight but at this point uh obviously Connor and poyer fight in July 10th we could see who the winner or the loser of that is you got Tony Ferguson who just lost but Neil Darius you just came in traditionally you know a guy who comes off a win fights a guy who comes off a win a guy who comes off a loss fights a guy who comes off a loss and then one guy moves up and one guy continues to move down um so I think really any of those names make sense I mean the only one that's kind of a wild card is Connor because Connor does Connor does have a little bit more say than

most guys I think if Connor If he loses this fight though If he loses this fight he'll He's still not gonna fight me I think me and Connor don't Me and Connor don't match up well For him because he's a he's a striker And I could I could grapple the heck out of him

If I wanted to you know like I think it's a It's a bad fight for him Whereas if I was the champion And Connor won Connor would go for the title No matter what and fight right you know whatever Just like he fought a bead but so I mean Gaecchi or if Porre

loses or Ferguson you know like those are Ferguson just I mean he's getting old he is but I mean but he's entertaining man people love him people do love and Tony like people love him at the press conference man he broke out the greatest line of all time freaking Dana White privilege

it was freaking hilarious that's amazing dude it's it was like for the time that we live in like you know obviously that's somewhat of a negative connotation the whole white privilege thing and like but like that's funny and shit dude Dana white privilege Dana white he's like man you got this thing handed to you man you got Dana white privilege and Dana just ma and I look up but then I'm like thanks Dana you know it's just so man it's it's a it's a fun group of it's a I want to beat them all I want to fight them all but like it's a fun

group of guys to be in with you know we're we're gonna have some fun the next couple years and I just hope it culminates at some point with me fighting for the world title again and really all that all that needs to happen is me win one, two, three, however, no more fights. Right. You show out the next fight. Show out the next fight. Continue to show that I'm world class and why I'm here.

And that's the thing too. It's such a crazy game of inches and you're fighting the best guys in the entire world. So yeah, I lost, but I lost to the number three guy in the world. I lost to the eventual world champion, you know. Yeah. So it's not as though it was like.

Now I need to fight number 20 or need to fight number 15. It's like, no, okay, now I'll fight number four or I'll fight number two or I'll fight number five or I'll fight, you know, I'm number four. I'll probably still be, you know, I'll probably still be number three or four when the rankings come out on Tuesday tomorrow. Oh, so we'll know tomorrow.

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, you lost to the eventual champion with a 10-8 round. Well, that's the thing, too. I mean, there's not like, like, you lost to the world champion on a 10-8 first round. Yeah, there's some people out there

who were like, hey, immediate rematch. Go Chandler-Olivera, too, right away. I mean, that's a possibility. Do I think that's going to happen? But if I got Dana White privilege, you'd, I mean, Hey, we need that Dana White privilege, baby, for that run it back. This is just a joke.

Like, don't. These people, freaking M.A fans are going to hate me this guy. We hate them from the beginning. And this is why we hate them now. Tomorrow night, he's just scrolling on Twitter and Instagram. And he just sees that one clip. Hey, if I get that Dana White privilege and that's all it is. Well, at this point, you're saying, what the fuck, man?

At this point, you just got to run with it. And, you know, it's, I mean, especially something like that. There's a little bit of the, you know, thing happening in the world with that. And then there's also the Dana White's last. name and it was said by a guy named Tony by by the guy like Tony Ferguson it's it's you know it's all part of it but I mean I think the general thread and not if even if I just take myself out of it and I just look at my body of work coming into the UFC and then what I did we just got done Sam and I came out hot I did everything everything that was asked to me I showed up like the blue

collar Midwest kid with his work boots on just like my dad just I showed up with my work boots on when the phone rang I said yes one time two times three times every every single time they called. And two or three other times whenever guys didn't take the fight. I was supposed to fight Tony Ferguson, October 24th. He said no. I was supposed to fight Dustin Porre, October 24th. He said no.

Was supposed to fight Tony Ferguson January 23rd? He said no. And then even when I beat Dan Hooker, January 23rd, they said, hey, do you want to be the co-main event against Charles Olivera? February 13th? And I said, yes. I was at Kane Prime here in Nashville. I had a steak in front of me. I had a glass of wine.

Yeah, no free sheds. out's the game prime M Street. All the restaurants are good. They're fucking great though. So, and I stopped eating my steak right there. I said, check, please. We'll take it. We'll take it to go box. I was on a date with my wife. Hunter Campbell called and said, hey, would you do this?

And I said, yes. And then Charles Olivera eventually turned it down. It was on three weeks notice. I was going to fight Charles Olivera February 13. So these are all just the things that have happened. It's six. Yes. So these are the things that have happened outside of this, the fights that I've actually had that that I think I was rewarded for.

That's why I got the title. shot. You know, it's, you've always stayed ready. Stayed ready. And the UFC is the biggest and baddest promotion on the planet and they keep things moving very fast in a forward trajectory. And if you're on the on board with them, if you're on the wagon

with them moving forward and you're going to say yes, you're going to be rewarded for it. And you've got to be a good employee first. You know, if you're a good employee first, you get put in a great position. And this is in the corporate world, the business world, other sports worlds or mixed martial arts. Be a good employee

you first be a good ambassador for your organization, be a good ambassador for your weight class, and a good ambassador for yourself, and then you will, things will usually work out well for you. And I think that's why I got the title shot and now continue to operate with the same, through the same vein that I have since day one. And we'll get a fight. And then we'll see what happens after that. I love it. You want to do an ad read?

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and West Chicago, Illinois. It must be 20 on up to purchase and consume. Please drink responsibly. Hey, that was, that was, thank you. But you went low, man. You went low with the... I tried doing that little undertone voice, you know, at the end.

It was so good. It was kind of fast. Oh, yeah. Try to do a little fast-paced voice. This was good. You did a solid job reading. Well, I can read. You, I don't, yeah. Luckily.

Thank God I can read. He just goes in the most genuine way. Well, I can read. I can read. Contrary to popular belief, most fighters can read most of us. It's surprising that you can read. I've got about 48 hours ago,

but I could definitely read about slick spirit of ice. Yeah. What do we got, what do we have, Alex? You have some stuff popped up. Did we have any fan questions, any good ones,

any good videos? comments. I need to leave in a few minutes. What time is it? It's 214. I've got to be there by 2. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. One question with him.

Hey, it's daddy, duty, man. Dude, I know. Monday morning, took half the school, hit the sauna, did the bus. How often do you go to the YMCA and hit that sauna? Just depends. I mean, often. Actually, the sauna just now got back open from COVID. Now is it a, it's not an infrared.

It's straight hot sauna, right? There's a hot sauna and there's a steam room as well. We'd love to join you one day. Green Hills. Let's go, bro. Yeah, I was looking into going yesterday, but they were closed by the time I got home. Because I drove back from Missouri and wanted to sit in the old son and sweat everything out from the weekend. It's good.

But, yeah, I would love to join you. It's good, man. So whenever you go this week, just let me know when you're going to go. But good. What do we have here? Jacob Schaffner. Shout out bustling with the boys. Shout out the goat, Michael Chandler.

So I got two questions, one for the boys, one for Michael Chandler. for Michael, what's the difference in like a UFC title fight and a Bellator title fight? And how was that preparing in the atmosphere like in Houston? And what do you think will you'll change or do something different at all if you do anything for your next title fight in the UFC? Because they obviously know you're going to be back, no doubt, greatest ever. And then for the boys, do you think you'll ever do one of those celebrity bosses? the matches like the Paul brothers are doing and if so do you think Taylor could kick Logan Paul's ass maybe maybe not but that's just the questions shout out to the boys love you

Taylor and will I guess you're my dad's but see you at the top yes hey see you at the top shout out Jacob Schaffner thanks Jacob man a great question because I obviously fought the majority of my career in Bellator you know the number two organization um you know the number two organization and the UFC's been around the longest. I would say the biggest difference is I won three world titles in Bellator, fought for the world title numerous times, defended the title numerous times, and they were in big crowds,

they were in big arenas, the atmosphere was big, but this time was different because everybody knows, or if you don't know, you're kidding yourself. Fighting for the UFC title means you are the number one guy in the world. 100%. No, if fans are butts, it's just how it is. So when I stood across the octagon from Charles Olivera, I knew the winner of this was to become the number one guy in the world.

And if I won, I was going to be not just the UFC world champion, but the world champion, the number one guy in the world. So I wouldn't say there was that pressure, but there was that confident expectancy of the excitement of what it was going to be had I won the fight. And then really just, you know, as we've talked about, the UFC is just a well-oiled machine. The UFC has quarterbacked and championed the entire sport, the entire industry, and built it into what it is. Essentially, the other organizations, there's about three or four other major organizations outside of the UFC.

They can all just show up to venues, put on shows, and they don't have to do a ton of promotion because the UFC is putting on such big shows touching every corner of the globe, putting so much money into marketing and building the sport that really all the other organizations can just show up and throw fights. and they'll do decently well because the UFC is building the sports. Right. Do you, it's very apparent when you're there. Is it pretty dope when Bruce Buffer's just going off introducing you? It's dope.

You know what I mean? Like, you're like, I'm in this fucking ring. He's introducing me. It's dope. And even, it even just some like,

you know, I started watching, my teammate was the first guy on the card, the first fight of the card. Dude, that was a fucking banger fight. Yeah. Great.

You know, this guy named Sean Soriano. Yeah. And, and I was watching the fight. and then they'd say, okay, now this fight is over, let's turn our eyes to what's going to happen later tonight. And then it was like Chandler and Oliver and I was like,

and I've watched so many UFC pay-per-views and I've watched the prelims getting pumped up to watch the fights. But this time they were talking about me and I was in my hotel room and in the window behind me was the Toyota Center right back there, a couple hundred yards away where I was about to report just a couple hours later to go do handle business and go fight for the title that they are talking about

on my computer screen right now. So it was just, it was cool, man, it's in Bruce Buffer, and they did the, they did the blackout completely with the lights around the octagon. I mean, which I've seen on TV, on the paper views, but this time it was me inside the

inside the octagon. And I just I rose to the occasion. I lost the fight, but I rose to the occasion. I had a fight. I did everything I could. I didn't feel, I felt like I was where I was supposed to be, man. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but that's the beauty of this

freaking sport, man. You just you take your losses, you take the wins, you never take the wins for granted because they aren't that easy to come by. And you definitely don't take the UFC title fight, the title shot for granted, because those are hard to come by too. So I believe we'll get another one eventually,

but we'll see. I appreciate you coming, bro. I know you got to go be a dad. Got to go be a dad, man. Back to Daddy, dude. That's good, man. This is where I want to be, though. Hey, what do you, what do you think Dana,

the way Jake Paul or calls out Dana White for not paying fighters? I mean I I don't know Dana pays me well yeah I mean I'm I you know we're we're always going to complain about don't we all like there's guys in the NFL who want to make more money like we all want to make more money we all and I get I get MMA and the UFC's a little bit different because we don't have a players association or a union or whatnot but we also just started what 28 29 years ago so we're still in our infancy as far as a sport goes man as far as I'm concern. The UFC has championed and quarterback the entire industry and the only reason that we are able to make a paycheck whatsoever is because of the sleepless nights and the hard work that Dana White

and the Frater brothers who started the UFC, bought it for $2 million. They just sold it for like $6 billion a while back. Now we're owned by William Morris Endeavor and just to see the growth of the industry. So I mean, that's just a way that Jake Paul, Jake Paul especially.

Yeah, it seems too, right, it seems too outside of anything monetary. Like the UFC is like first class in absolutely everything. That doesn't have the whole monetary. Like obviously there's arguments for the, you know, I made this, boxing, like all the fighters in the UFC get this. But as far as everything else in the total package,

it just seems like it is one of the premier organizations to be a part of. Oh, for sure. That and then the other thing too is we can't point our finger at our promoter when really we should be pointing our finger at the man in the mirror who is not, you can monetize yourself, your brand, your voice, your platform, your sales.

You can, with the platform that the UFC gives you, you can become a millionaire outside of your fight purses with the promotion and the platform that they give you, 100% unequivocally, especially some of these guys. Just look where my following has gone just in the last couple months, and I've only had two fights in the UFC, and if I want to monetize that, if I want to start a podcast,

if I want to write a book. What you will one day? I mean, I can read ads pretty darn. You can. That was the first one, the fighter and the boy? Yeah, the fighter and the boy, you know, so no free shouts to the fighter and the boy. That hasn't happened yet. You know, but you can monetize a brand.

You can build a brand and you can make money outside of just your fight purse. So if you're mad at your promoter because you're not getting paid enough inside the Octagon, well, take it upon yourself to take the attention that you can grab from every single one of these fights and monetize it. So that's my two cents, but I'm also a bootstrap's, you know, the man in the mirror is the guy who needs to, to do the work, not the other people kind of guy anyway. So who can read good? I can read pretty pretty good, man. I appreciate you, bro.

Thank you for having me. Go, yeah, go pick up. When lose your draw, we were coming on the bus. I know. And now that you're, I heard you're going to be in town for a couple months. Like, that's, boys can hang, man. Boys can hang. And, you know, if Taylor gets sick, man, you put me around here.

I won't hesitate. I won't hesitate. I don't have the mustache, but I could. We can figure something out. About 100 pounds less than him. Yeah. 150 pounds less. Yeah, let's do that, math.

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