Bussin' With The Boys - Michael Chandler REACTS To Charles Oliveira Fight & Where To Go From Here

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

Recorded: November 19th 2024 | We have a massive bonus episode for you guys as we sat down with the boy, Michael Chandler, after his WILD fight against Charles Oliveira. Given that the fight was only two days ago, Mike's body isn't feeling the best. He starts off the pod by listing out all the things that hurt on his body. This was Mike's first time back in the Octagon in over two years so he dives into what it felt like to get back out there and all the emotions he was going through. The boys then breakdown each round of the fight and Mike points out some things he wishes he would've done differently. Overall, if you watched the fight, you know how absolutely electric it was and being able to hear it first hand from Mike is pretty cool. Hope y'all enjoy. TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 1:15 How Are You Feeling? 4:47 Chandler 2.0 7:33 Walkout Song/The Feeling As He’s Walking Out 15:55 Did Charles Almost Back Out? 17:31 Round 1 20:09 Being On The Ground With Oliveira, Are You Nervous? 23:58 Losing His Footing/Was He Injured Going In? 28:01 Reverting Back To Chandler 1.0 31:32 Round 5 44:14 What’s Next? 46:46 What’d He Say To 47? 51:24 When Are You Getting Checked Out? 52:39 Next Fight? 56:19 We Should Normalize Fighting At Your Normal Weight 1:03:44 How Was His Wife During The Whole Process?For more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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a true fucking warrior. Now, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a bonus episode of Bustin with the Boys. Our boy, Michael Chandler, is sitting with us right now, went to absolute war on Saturday night against Charles Oliver. Obviously, didn't go the way you wanted.

But even in a loss, you still win, dude. So let's give a round of applause to the legendary Mike Chandler. Round of applause to you guys. No place I'd rather be. I touched down in Nashville yesterday. So we've got to get on the bus. You lose your draw. This is where we go.

How are you feeling? How's your body? Body is a body is jab. My heart is full. Let's talk about my heart. Okay. Let's start with the heart. Let's start with the heart.

My heart is full. All right. I walked across the threshold yesterday. Happen ace put me in tears. I'm just happy to be home. You know, it was is good. I mean, I had a phenomenal training camp. We went to war.

We did our thing. Body, the most pain I've ever been in my entire life. Like the most injuries I've ever had in a fight for sure. shore. Yeah. You know, peed blood inflammation all over. My whole body's swollen.

I feel like, you know, my legs. Yeah. Was it like a dense color of blood or was like a light pain? The first one was very light, which was in my drug test. New York drug testing me before the fight and then after the fight. Just against it.

Test positive. Yeah. I tested positive for blood. For being a badass. For sure. For savager. Tested positive for. Got that dog in them.

Going nuts. But yeah. So they had like a light tent. And then the second one was like, uh, beat looking juice. It was, it was, it was, God, they hurt? No. Really? I don't, well, like what is it?

Also, my whole body hurt too. So at that point, you know. But starting from the pissing blood, what does that cause that come from like a shot to the I think it's, I mean, I think it's a little bit of rhabdo, you know, like rabdo myalysis or whatever they call it where, like overworking the muscles. Yeah, it's like you're overworking the muscles. Your muscles secrete blood and then your blood, you know, the doctor's out there. Don't fact check me.

But it's like, you know, blood. blood, their blood goes into the kidneys slash liver, whatever, wherever your urine goes. And it gets trace amounts of blood in it where, whereas mine wasn't really trace amounts. It was a large amounts. But, you know, I've had it before many times. Anytime you have a five-minute fight like, or five-round fight like that, 25 minutes, even if it's an quote-unquote easy 25 minutes, you're still hyped. Your body is doing things.

You're in fight-or-flight mode for 25 minutes. Well, really 30 minutes plus the walkout, plus the half. after plus the yeah when do you think that starts to hit the adrenaline rush of like you know you're not going to feel pain until probably a 24 hours later is that the walkout is that in the locker room right before you walk out is it the first punch it's it's it's actually in the octagon yeah it's it's like once you're once you're in there because i try to stay pretty present man i try to stay pretty present and pretty myself and and really just focus on being a human being and as soon as the cage door closes and then bruce is in there it's kind of one of those deals where it's

maybe like a kickoff or like whatever where it's like i'm in the game's about the start and then all of a sudden, then you're all of a sudden, you're running down the field or the first play. And you're like, oh, shoot, we're actually in it now. Yeah, yeah. And then you start, you know. Usually for me, it's like, oh man, okay, here we go. We're actually walking toward each other.

Okay, there's the five, you know, there's the first handshake. We touched each other. Clock's running, we're going. And then you're like, I'm kind of waiting to take that first punch to be like, okay, here we are. Right, yeah. Hopefully it's not a big one. Hopefully it's just like a nice little.

Just get the first hit out of the way. Yeah, you know. the age old phrase get that first hit out of the way you feel a whole lot better then you're in nerves are huge right before like all the doubts the insecurities the wondering the overconfidence i think it's all like a a flush of emotions all at once start to doubt your overconfidence am i too like yeah yeah why do i feel good i shouldn't feel this good then you start feeling bad all of a sudden self-talk just goes all over the place all over the place yeah then once you're in it you're like okay now we're in it now now now the body's just doing your training is taking over your your your reaction time your you know your spirit

So before the fights, Will and I had a cool, unique perspectives because Will was watching it over. So he was able to hear the commentators. I obviously was there. We'll talk about all of it. But as you were walking out, Will was saying that Rogan's like, I know you're going to see a new Michael Chandling here. I, you know, I don't think I know.

Do you think Oliver knew you were going to strategically go about this differently if Rogan was so clearly understood the process? Yeah. Well, the funny thing was, I knew I was going to, but I also in my interviews, I didn't want to talk about it too much. It's like I did the whole, I talked about the whole Chandler 2.0, Chandler 1.0, maybe gave a little bit of too much information because I still, I honestly wanted Charles Olivera to feel like he was fighting Michael Chandler from 2021. I wanted him to think he was fighting. I wanted him to think that was the guy he was fighting. Therefore, when I switched the game plan up on him a little bit, you know, it would be a different fight and I throw him into a scenario. But I think, yeah, unfortunately. the word got out that I was going to fight a little bit differently. And I, you know, and I did.

Who's the rat? I mean, I think it was, I think it was Joe. You were your own rat? I think it was a little bit Joe, that's not saying. I was like I, you know, but no matter what, I mean, the narrative was you could not hide from the fact that I hadn't fought for two years. You had to talk about the Connor situation. Had to talk about, you know, the two year layoff, the training camp for Connor, fighting at

170, different mindset, then going down to 155. And I was just speaking more. I'm just more of an open guy. I want my story to be told. I want to wear my heart on my sleeve. If I cry, I cry. If I get mad, I get mad. I just want to be myself and be authentically me.

And in that, obviously, I was just talking about my growth as a human being over the last two years, which was, you know, hard times, tough times. You guys know the behind the scene stuff as the boys of like the ups and downs of all of it. But I grew as a human and became a better man and fighter and athlete because of it. And then, yeah, I just wanted to go out there. little bit more composed and calculated. Also, 25 minutes is a lot different. It's almost like double the amount. It's almost double the amount of time as a three round fight. When's the last time you went a full fight? 25 minutes. Man, uh, Benson Henderson, like 2016 or 2018. Because every fight I

think I've seen. Invely, yeah. Peed blood after that one for sure. Yeah. That's crazy. Passed out actually. I passed out in that fight. My, my coach, I was unconscious on my feet. My eyes were open, but I was unconscious. My coach had to pick me up. up after the fourth round right at the end of the round woke up in the corner finally came to as my coach behind me neal yelled something i mean i was like what and i looked at henry i was like did we lose or is it over he's like no we're going into the fifth round go you got to go and i'm like okay and then uh yeah we fought luckily luckily uh luckily uh i mean that was just like a pure exhaustion slash yeah you know lack of blood flow to the brain or whatever the hell was going on but

do shout out nf what a fucking walk out shout out what a walk out what a walk out Yeah. It was good. He made that song specifically for you in this fight? No. Um, it was a song. It was a song. I mean, it would be really cool.

I would love to actually lie right. I was like, I would love to lie right now. I was almost upset here in the commentating going on because I was wanting to, I could hear the song and I'm like, everybody shut up. I want to enjoy this. Dude,

the lyrics are so sick and it's, and it's a little bit, I mean, the lyrics themselves, which we won't give any of them away because it's, it's not out there yet. But, but it's,

it's very much. a you know i've always been the type of guy who's like i'm not here to prove the doubters wrong i'm here to prove my supporters right um i i don't really have a chip on my shoulder i'm more of a you know just like i just want to do my thing and be an athlete who works hard and kind of positivity stuff and then over the last two years i'm like eff everybody man f everybody i'm a different man and i deserve this i deserve to freaking absolutely smash this life that we call you know our existence and And I love the haters. Love the haters, man.

There's a special place for him. There's a special place for him. Special place in my heart for him, man. So when you're walking out right now, are you, you look loose. I love you. You look relaxed. You seem like you're about it. Because we're all sitting there being like, yeah, as your friend, we're thinking,

he hasn't fought in two years. McGregor's out there two weeks before that fight. McGregor breaks a little tiny pinky toe. He's now out. He's dipped out for the first time in his UFC career. What's going to happen to Mike? Now you're in this limbo. Do you wait for Connor still?

UFC fighters are talking shit. Haters are talking shit. And then all of a sudden you get Charles Oliver. Now you went from fighting a 170. Now you're going to 155. So there's all these different things that could allow you to stiffen up a little bit. And then you walk out and you seem loose, confident, poised, controlled. Like you just seem like Michael Chandler, like the ultimate confidence.

Yeah, man. Are you actually feeling that? Or is that like I got to put this on a little bit, thick it to you and make it type of thing? Because it has been a while since I've been there. No, I was, man. like I mean that and that's when you just know you're doing exactly what you were called to do man like it's it's it doesn't matter if I was out for 10 years it doesn't matter if I was injured it doesn't matter if there's stuff going on behind the scenes it doesn't matter none of that stuff

matters man because you're doing exactly what you were called to do and and this is where you were supposed to be there's nowhere else in the entire world I was supposed to be than in Madison Square Garden at that moment right you know and and and I was built for this thing and I was I was I was bred for it and uh it's it was an awesome it you know It was a little bit more like, hey, let's take it in because you haven't done this. You know, I did a lot of visualization closing my eyes when I was in our octagon inside of our gym down in Florida and like imagining the crowd and the lights and the fields. And even during the, you know, I hadn't been in a locker room like that warming up for two years. I needed to go out to MSG.

I like, they were like, you can't go out there. I was like, all right, cool. And then I like walked out anyway. And they were like, no, seriously. Like, come on, come on. And they were like pulling me out. But I went out to the arena. Smelled it.

Like you got to smell it. You got to feel it. You got to hear, you got to hear, because there's 20,000 people there and they're all talking and they're all of their hearts are beating and there's a bunch. There's an energy out there. Right. And there's a smell and there's a field and there's a taste and there's all of these different senses going on. And I hadn't smelt it in two years of actually being the guy who was going to be in the arena. And it all just came back, man. And, you know, getting in there and kind of walking around the first time I had touched the cage to my back in two years. The first time I had felt the canvas on my feet in two years. The first time I had. been in an arena with all of those different emotions going on around me, right? How hard is it to not get too high like once you do step in the oxygen?

And you are drinking it all in. It's like, hey, I need to focus on my breathing here. It is. It is. And you got your Trump and Musk. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you're back. You're facing them.

Yeah. The greatest. Yeah. The greatest. Yeah. The greatest crowd of witnesses, you know. I mean, that's pretty, that's a freaking really, really cool

little row up there, cage side. And yeah, I mean, I did have to pull myself back down because that was the biggest thing with me. Obviously, I will touch gloves and go balls to the wall until the wheels fall off and I go out of my shield and my heart explodes or whatever happens. But this fight, I wanted to be more present and I wanted to breathe and I wanted to feel my heartbeat. I wanted to control my thoughts.

I wanted to actually make decisions in there instead of my body, just doing just doing and reacting you know and I and I did that but I needed to come back down because I did get a little bit hyped up as I walked in I'm like hell yeah let's do this I remember this this is what I let's let's war then all of a sudden you know the cooler head prevailed where it was like wait a second bro bring it down you know and breathe a little bit and and realize that you're about to go into a job in a profession and in a contest instead of a war instead of a battle, you know, going back to the trying to win by a thousand instead of trying to win by one, you know, and I just truly thought, me trying to win by one, I was still going to

win by a thousand. She needed to wait on the moment presenting itself. Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, when Oliver's coming out and you're pacing back and forth. So the, the music changes. Like, does that affect you at all when you hear it, when you hear that? I just want to feel all the things you were feeling that time.

Yeah. That, uh, yeah, I mean, that's a little disappointing because then you're like, man, that, I'm I'm enjoying my music and I'm enjoying my moment. And I're like, oh, shoot, okay. And I got to have a five minutes where it's all about him. And I got to, you know, now we're. But I think that was when I started kind of to get locked in where I was like, oh, shoot, now the guy who's about to try to take everything from me is walking into the arena. Not only walking in the arena, but hugged you.

Yeah. Any part of you want to slip him? And I knew. Yeah, yeah. No, I knew that. I mean. I needed to stab him in the back. I saw.

Yeah. No, me and Charles are very respectful, man. There's no doubt about it. Like both you guys just were the old. It's a big hug, you know, God bless you type of thing. Like, dude, I'm just happy you're here. I mean, that's one thing, too, like when you talk about. I mean, look at Chris Weidman.

Chris Weidman woke up on November 16th thinking he was going to fight, probably to a phone call saying, hey, sorry, Eric Anders is injured, sick or whatever, pulling out of the fight. I'm just happy you're here because now we both get paid. We both get to fight. We both, like, this thing is actually happening. You know, so it's a, there's part of that where you're just like, man, thank God it's here. Because up until that moment, nothing is.

guaranteed you know until that cage door actually locks like nothing is actually guaranteed so then then it starts to get a little bit more real you hear his music his music is awesome I don't understand it because it's Brazilian or Portuguese whatever but it's a totally different vibe it's a cool it's a cool song sounds like a worship song or something I don't know but it's it's it's a subtitle JPM dang dude it's in the car closet closet Olivera fan over there dude um but that yeah that's kind of the moment where you're like, okay, now it's, you know, it's, it's no longer about my walkout. I'm actually in here. Oh, and that guy's coming out. And you're kind of like, you know, are you making eye contact? Are you looking at them? Are you, now you're also still questioning yourself, like,

how are you going to play this? You're going to like, you're going to like, you're going to fucking, you're going to lock eyes and kind of do one of those numbers. You're not going to look at them at all, which sometimes people are like, oh, he does not look at him, looking at all, which shows lack of confidence. And sometimes it's a high level of confidence to not look at your opponent at all. Like Jose Aldo was a was a perfect example of that he would he would go face to face with the guy and just look down and kind of like look at his feet the whole time would never never make eye contact yet he would go out there and absolutely smash somebody he wasn't afraid of them you know so it was a it's an interesting it's an interesting vibe but it was the game being

played at all times right yeah with mental warfare just like people just playing chess moving their pieces in certain places but it's it but it's funny too right because we're all human beings like we're all we all must play by the rules of human nature and and succumb to to just being a human and the thoughts that are going on the biological things that are happening inside of there where's your heart rate and all these different things we're a human being but you get looked at differently because you're an athlete and then even kind of even more different because you're fighting in an octagon with a very little rules you know but we're just human beings trying to figure it out and every single time is different you talk about being thankful that he you know he's there you guys

both the fight's going to happen, you're both going to get paid and whatnot. When the rumors of him possibly backing out or dropping out, was it due to injury? Well, so I never really got any kind of confirmation other than my manager called me like two days after that that news rumor kind of broke. And I didn't even think anything of it. I think it was more, there was some gamesmanship, I think, happening because it's like, hey, this happened at Chandler three months ago, two weeks before the fight. Let's leak something.

And it was Brazilian media. I don't know if it was his coach saying something or what. But I wasn't worried about it at all. I just kept training and I knew it wasn't me. So yeah, it had to be him. But I think it was all just. And also thinking this better not fucking happen. Yeah.

There had to be a PCD outside. You've got to be fucking. 100%. Because you, I mean, your thoughts go there. You're like, well, shoot, would I take another fight? Who would, who would they match me up against? It's a short notice fight. So then people think, well, shoot.

It's an easy fight because the guy's probably coming off the couch. But actually, it's not an easy fight because you're like, it's a brand new opponent. and that guy's got nothing to lose. Like I love that idea. If Hunter called me and was like, hey, you want to step in and fight this guy on two weeks and I said, be like, hell yeah,

dude, I got nothing to lose. What are you going to pay me? Let it fly. Yeah, just let it fly. Let it rip. And if after a round and a half, my gas tank goes, you don't really lose because you weren't training for the fight.

You get the ultimate insurance policy. It's, you know what it is? It's Nate Diaz versus Connor won. Remember that? It was on 11 days notice. Diaz had nothing to lose whatsoever. Connor had everything to lose because he was training for 10 weeks

leading up to the fight. And he goes out there. and loses. He gases out and Diaz doesn't somehow. And he had nothing to lose and went out there and won. Shocked the world. Yeah. Dude,

round one. So you're coming out with the new Mike 2.0. You get in there and you feel it from like the beginning. The first 10 seconds of the fight, you guys are floating around a little bit. He throws a little leg kick. You kind of move it out of the way. And it already feels in the building like,

oh, this is way different than we all expected. Yeah. At what point do you think he fully realized that this is a new Mike he's fighting? Well, I know we went to the ground at some point in the first round within like the first two or three minutes. Yeah. So I think that first, the first couple, the first couple exchanges, just just navigating and actually letting the fight progress. Instead of forcing myself into the fight, let the fight progress. And if he lands a shot or I land a shot or whatever it is, let's just, you know, let's just get in here. Let's move around a little bit rather than rather than going right into the fire. And yeah, things were going well until that, you know, that first takedown, really, and then got on the ground. And then, but then even then I also, it shows my growth instead of trying to force my way out of the position, I was completely okay saying for the first time in my life, I can see today around.

I let him stay on top and I let him win the round because I had 20 more minutes to fight. And in your, in your head, are you thinking too, like don't force. anything here you need your gas tank yeah we're preparing for a five round fight that was exactly what it was like i was i looked over at the clock i've never seen a clock ever in my 32 fight career i've never looked at a clock never wondered what time it was never heard my coach say 30 seconds one minute whatever i've never never worried about it because i'm in there fighting whereas there i was not really fighting i was strategic i was it was like chart well number two even more importantly the greatest submission artist in ufc history is on top of you yeah

with your leg and my left leg freaking up in a knee bar type of position where you're one second away from him attacking that and snapping my leg off. Yeah, plus he's on. Yeah, plus he's on top. And, and, and, you know, he,

you know, I went back and watched the fight and Joe and, and, like, the commentators, like, those elbows he landed, he didn't land one,

one elbow on me whatsoever. They all looked like they landed, but they all glanced off my arm or glanced off like the side of my head. And I remember laying in there, like, he threw one. I was like, oh,

thank you, Jesus. That was good. because there was freaking, like three different times, a couple of those elbows were absolute fire balls coming at me with his bony freaking long elbows. And none of them landed. And I was just like, I'm going to sit here. And then pushed him, like as soon as the bell rang,

pushed him off me, walked to the stool. Are there ever times where you feel like you're in trouble when he's got your back? Because you're talking about rewatching it and you're hearing the commentating. They're like, Chandler could be in a lot of trouble here. If he, you know, he can't give him his back. you can't do this like this is a very dangerous spot for mike to be this yeah that is that is his

favorite spot to be in a fight right i mean he finished porre finished gagey finished so many guys he's got however many's 20 something submissions or something like that over a million dollars in bonuses the guys got right you guys are probably look at how many freaking rear naked chokes he has it's probably half of his submissions are rear naked jokes because he's the perfect body type if you go back and watch how long his forearms are. It's crazy. And they're not big. They're bony and they're skinny. But he's still strong. So he's got really long arms and he's got really long legs. So he's going to he's going to lock that figure four up around the body. Yeah. And freaking squeeze your guts out. Separate your freaking rib over here on the right side. When that one was happening? Oh, I mean,

I think he got it. And, uh, is that the one we had you like fully stretched out? Yeah. Yeah. Because that's when I think DC and Ruggin were going back and forth like, oh, he's been here before. Yeah. And then I think somebody corrected the other. So you got to remember that was in the first round of the last fight. Like this is different because tanks, you know, guys are wearing out a little bit more. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was good. It was good once you start getting sweaty. Because I do remember that too, being in that first round, he gets on top of me. And you can, you can feel the guy you're holding on to. And it's like, it's sticky. And you're sticky is not good when you're fighting Charles Olivera. Second round, third round, fourth round. When you,

the sweat is flowing. Everything gets a little bit more slippery here, obviously. And then you're a better spot but you're also always in danger against charles but i've got good you know pretty good defense and keeping the hand control and when you're when in those three rounds when you're on the ground all all those times you all talk about being aware of him and how good he is was there ever a point where you're like oh fuck yeah he's got yeah he's got me because there's a like you talk about hand control all that there's just things that i i don't understand will you do a little bit because you did wrestling but like i'm watching the ground i got jp and my air being like he's doing this well and that well I'm mistaken to myself.

I know he's good on the ground. Were you ever like, if he does this one thing, I am fucked. It seemed like, because one time he like had Mike's face. It seemed like he did. He didn't have it a little bit lower.

Yeah, in the fourth round, I think it was, or third round, third or fourth round. Yeah, he had a full on rear naked choke in there two different times. And I was able to pull,

pull the arm down. And then I also planted my elbow and did this number. So I had kind of a kickstand going on there where he couldn't get the elbow when he slu any shorter. But I'd definitely,

only had a moment or two where because you know when you're about to go out if you can feel it where the crowd goes oh who you know it starts to get starts to sound like you're in a tunnel type of situation where you're like okay I'm not that far away from being choked out right now yeah you know if the crowd understands I should understand while your heart beats going a thousand miles an hour and your body's doing all kinds of biological stuff um but that was but I just remember you know, I, I wasn't, you know, there was just things weren't going well in there as far as distance and movement and my footing and all that kind of stuff. And then even being on the ground, it was like, I'm not moving well on the ground, but I also don't want to force positions. I was, when I walked

into that fifth round, I thought, okay, this is right where I was supposed to be thwart off all the attacks, let him do his grappling stuff, let him wear down and I'm going to finish him in the fifth. I had the plan of being there later in the rounds to finish him in the fourth or fifth. And I knew that's right where I was, you know, wanting to be. But so I was just okay with those positions. Yeah. Because you lose.

Go ahead. You brought up, I mean, obviously before we get to the fifth, that's the money part of the fight. It was unbelievable. But you talked about like you're losing your footing. You didn't feel like you were moving around too well. Like what? You took a big obloat kick in the leg.

And it seemed like that that was wobbling like crazy. And then I see you, I think it was after the second round, Jake, second or third, you're doing like the foot thing in the corner. It seemed like you were just trying to grab some sort of grip. So you, it seemed like you were understanding that like maybe you weren't mechanically working correctly. It was it your legs? Was your shoulder? Like, what was going on?

Well, I'm not, I will not say anything until I get an MRI. But, yeah, I think something happened to the knee in that first exchange where he had the leg and I did like a full 360. He did like a little knee bar thing because I walked back to the stool and I looked down on my left leg and it was not working, right? It wasn't, it wasn't stepping, it wasn't catching, it was unstable, it was weird. And then, and then yeah, during the fight,

it was like the, because you spar all these rounds and you know what it feels like, I've been fighting for 15 years, you know what it feels like to be on a solid foundation to walk forward, plod forward, move forward, attack. And I just wasn't, moving backwards was no problem. So my body and my brain was telling me, moving backwards is cool,

but moving forward, planting, and being in his face, and being in that pressure. Like, even if you go back and watch the fifth, if you really watch the fourth and fifth whenever I was kind of pursuing him, my legs were almost just, my left leg was just like almost like flopping

rather than stalking and moving forward, you know? And I remember, and Robbie Lawler is such a freaking badass Hall of Famer in some of the craziest fights ever. And I was just like, guys, I can't get my footing. I'm trying to figure out my footing. And he's like, well, you better fucking figure it out.

And I was like, you're right, Robbie. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, um, and yeah, it was, uh, yeah, man. I mean, we'll, we'll see, we'll see what happened. But yeah, essentially for about 23 minutes of that fight, I don't know if the, the leg was really working that. Well, how does it feel right now? Not great. Not, not, not great. How did you, how did your knee feel before the fight? The right knee, the right knee, you had some stuff going on and I think, I think we're going to get that cleaned up for sure. Um,

but I've had that for like two years. but the left knee is like the worst the worst i've ever felt on any kind of injury whatsoever um but it's you know it's a fight man it's you you figure it out and i'm also a my default is never okay where where's my where's my excuse buttons you know like i don't have those so i was just i'm like well it must be my fault it must be my footing it must be you know the canvas it must be like i got to get my feet wet you know i was trying to get my feet wet in between every single round like spitting water out pouring water out getting water on my feet because and then now when i go back and watch the fight because i know how i move i know what i look like i got my my last

couple sparring sessions of how i move and what my foundation looks like on my feet and it just was not the same at all um so it's a weight bearing issue slash balance issue slash whatever but i felt like how many times i fall in that fight like i'm up you guys i'm a pretty i'm a I'm a decently athletic guy. Like I'm pretty, I'm pretty athletic. Yeah. If you look like at the softball game, you made things. Yeah.

Like I didn't have trying. You say things more difficult to show off that you were athletic. Yeah. And like I got a fly ball and then just jumps in here. It takes three steps four just to die back and catch you. And I'm better at fighting than I am softball. But like I, I, I just kept falling. Like I, and I'm like, I don't, I don't really fall.

I know, you know, you talk about conceit the first round. Even the, even the, even the, sec round that you know you ultimately had to kind of concede and figure out but ultimately it led going to the ground because you tripped on the cage yeah i can cut my foot freaking did did something my damn hand here i looked down on my thumb because i think my thumb went back and touched my wrist yeah i know so i got emmer on that on that as well but yeah i mean it's uh that's why we love this sport dude you got two dudes just freaking braving the unknown to bodily bodily un bodily harm right so when you go down 3-0 and you're going on that fourth round are you thinking all right chanler 1.0 has to start

coming out because i'm starting to run out of time because he's had he's had me on the ground whether you can you talked about conceding the first one second one you kind of tripped and he had his way within the second round third round he's on top of you the whole time are you starting to like feel the conditioning wore off me like all right i got to start taking some chances here yeah because also i didn't take any damage i mean right i mean that was the one thing i mean to me as an athlete and i'm the hardest on myself and obviously my wife is my biggest She's going to, you know, she's got a skewed version and vision, as do you guys probably. But she's like, yeah, he got on top of you and controlled you.

But like, I mean, look at my face. I got a black eye. Part of the black guy too was like I came down and headbutted his knee or something in the fifth round. Like, I've jacked my face up more myself by going in and trying to throw punches and running into limbs more than actually getting punched in a fight sometimes. But he wasn't doing damage either. He was just getting on. winning and control in the fight like if it was wrestling yeah you're showing the ride time and everything else yeah so like when it when it comes to that i if you actually look at it i landed more strikes in the

fight than he did even though he controlled and had you know because because he would just take the back do the body triangle and then kind of just do this number and we were just hand fighting for you know when you're doing the back in the body triangle who's who's exerting more energy in those positions i was i was resting a lot you know like i and i and i and i say that that i i i used to to hate that word because I think guys pussyfoot around they don't fight hard enough they don't you know they're two point fight tactically but I was just like well hey when Charles Olivera has your back I can choose to force this and put myself in a bad situation I can choose to exert a crazy amount of energy with a 50 50 shot of getting out don't get out you try to create a scramble you're your

cardio goes down maybe you put yourself in a bad spot get arm barred triangle some something silly or just let him, you know, let him do his thing. And I still got, I mean, at that point in time, you're in the third round. You're like, dude, I still got 12 minutes left to fight. 12 minutes is like an eternity inside of there when one punch can finish a fight. And, and I say that as, as a guy who I'm proud of myself for actually being in there and fighting tactically and making conscious decisions rather than, you know, the bandana calls me the Arturo Gotti of the UFC type of, you know, it's like, that's great. I do love that. But also, man, I, I was 100% confident, 100% positive

that this is exactly the way it was supposed to be. I was going to beat Charles Olivera. I was going to fight for the title next. And this is the way it was supposed to be. And I had to fight that way as a real professional rather than just a guy who goes out there and entertains in a crazy badass fight, get a bonus.

Fight could be up for fight of the year type of situation, which is all great. But man, I'm here for championship. So now that that ship has sailed. In defending off one of the best ground guys who's known for finishing on the ground. Yeah. I mean, and it, you know, it needs to be said as well.

It's like I've only lost to three guys in the UFC. You know, it's like I've lost to Charles. Every single guy that I have lost to has been ranked top two or three in the world at that moment. It was Porriere, Gaichy, and Olivera. Olivera choked out and finished Porriere and Gaichy, you know, and he wasn't able to do it to me. So, I mean, it's all of those things. And it's either way, people can draw the conclusions that they want. people can love me they can hate me but we're having fun we're winning so

hard press to find hard press to hate me I mean that fifth round was crazy yeah yeah so go ahead no no you you were sizing up I was just gonna I was gonna say like after the fourth round and in your mind you're like all right I'm down for it like this is it like I got to empty the clip however I can yeah you go into that fifth round buddy I came up off my come on okay tell him tell him you're sitting there like you know we're watching from a different perspective like you're talking about with Bree it's like you're watching your brother. Like I'm, you know, I remember watching Cody all the time wrestling those feelings.

And you're sitting there watching the fight unfolding. Like, he's losing the fight. But all he needs is just, he just needs to land a shot. Yeah. He just needs to land a shot. And you were being patient. Like, you're defending him off. You're happy every time.

It's like, he's got you for most around on the ground. It's like, all right, if he can last two and a half minutes here, then you end up doing it. He's checking the clock. He's getting to the corner. You can tell you're breathing fine. It's like, all right, he has to go in this fifth round. Has to go. When you landed that first one,

And I tell you, I was so mad when you missed those two. Bro, I was like, fuck, because you had him. Yeah. You had him on the ground. I thought they were going to call the fight. Because you're right. Because I got my phone out. I'm recording the TV.

I'm like, come on, bro. You got it. You got it. Just go. Keep going. JP and I got our arms around each other. We're jumping in the air, like leaning over people screaming. Like this is fucking it. Because yeah, the first four, it's like, you had your game plan.

You did the game plan. It was what it was. But like you said, it's like you were one punch. and when you clip them, and he puts his hand like that, and you're like, oh, he's fucking hurt. He's fucking, and then he falls down, and then he starts coming in with the elbows and the punches.

I'm just staring at the riff like, fucking call it, call it. Like screaming, bro. Yeah, nobody, yeah, nobody in the last couple years has put Oliver in that position, and I put in that position twice in the first fight and then in the second fight. And obviously he got finished by Islam,

but that's his only loss. Well, Armin, but that was a kind of a hug fest, right? Yeah, man, it was, And yeah, hindsight is always 2020, man. It's so it, you go back and you're like, God, if you could just put me back in that moment, I would have just pushed off and I would have made him come back up and just, but the other thing too was I think I also knew you can just tell the way I was pursuing him. It was almost like I was like just tripping toward him.

Yeah. You know, like I said, I'm not making excuses, but like it was, it was a weird. When I was watching the film and still trying to be like, I, yeah, I could just go back to Last night I watched it and I was like, I was not happy. You could tell something was up with your legs because it seemed like you were walking on uneven surfaces. It was, yeah, you know, we'll see. We cannot say anything until we get the MRI results or whatever, but yeah. Right there, man.

Right there, I thought it was done. Yeah, that's, uh, and the referee was right there, dude, because I mean, he took like 15 shots to the year, like 15. And I was like, is he going to, is this, you going to freaking, you know, step in, dude? What are you thinking? you thinking like it's over like is that because well so the hard the hard part is there's kind of an unspoken rule at this point it's like it's got to be pretty definitive like if if because i would want the exact same thing if i was up three rounds four rounds to one or none and charles olivera clipped me i would want the referee to not step in unless it's like life or death

situation because i'm right right just let me survive and i win the fight type of situation and this is where you know this is where the my humility comes in where I'm like, hey, this is the sport and this is the way things are supposed to be. Like, I completely get, if it was a different fight, I think Keith Peterson finishes, finishes or steps in and pulls me off of him after he takes those 15, maybe 20 shots. Especially if it's in the first few rounds. Yeah, but he's already up a couple rounds there. So it's kind of like an unspoken rule.

Let this guy survive unless I need to save him unless, you know, but he was in a bad. Yeah, he was in a bad spot. I remember when he turned over and he looked at it. For some reason, his eyes were red. Like, I don't know if freaking like they were red, like bloodshot. And he was looking at me, but he wasn't really looking at me. He was like looking through me cross-eyed and just he was all jacked on it. He was looking at God.

Yeah. He was all jacked up. That one guy was playing in his head right there. He's like, I need to come back. You're good. That's a, that's supposed to do that. Okay. It was weird on that.

When you were on top of him and you lean back and he, Mike, like, took a few deep breaths and then it just starts going back in. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, and that's, well, and that's one of Charles, Charles's good things because he's, he's been, he's not the most dominant guy. If you watch him, you know, he gets in bad positions and guys hurt him, but he's, but he's long and lanky and he's, and he could close his eyes and, and use his feet like hands, you know, and, and tie you up and do these things with this big old long limbs. So it was, it's a tough position to be in because he's so good at being. in those positions because he's been in those positions so much. And that's what you have to be as a jiu-jitsu artist. You are going to concede the position and let a guy be on top of you so you can triangle him and arm-bar him and do these things, but you still have to be very good. Whereas me, I'm not that way because I'm not ever on bottom like that, you know, with a guy

on top of me usually. So you get in a position and you make one little move or you let him advance a little bit. Then he's got you tied up and he's just hugging you with his legs or he's doing something And then you can't land a good shot. Right. So you have him down. I forget what happened next. Because we thought it was over and then you end up.

He was like trying to go for your arm in some weird way. And then that's when I feel like it kind of got. That's when you started to see a little like, you know, the conditioning as far as like, it's the fifth round and you're just unloading the clip on them. Yeah. That's where you're like looking back and back. If I would have just stepped away and make him get up. Yeah. But obviously you have to follow him.

I mean, that was when I, you know, that's when I. I go back to it and I had no weight. Like when you're on, when you're throwing a left hook, you want both your weight planted on both of your feet. And if anything, a little bit more on your front foot because that's where you're, all the power's coming from your left hip, which for me is my front hip.

And I threw that hook with my left foot in the air because I wasn't putting weight on my left foot. And this whiffed fell. We did a complete 360 and we landed in a good spot for me to, to land good damage. So I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have stood us up. I wouldn't have stood up then right away. I would have tried to finish him right there.

But as soon as the, as soon as the action kind of stopped and I, and I wasn't just dominating, raining punches, it would have been nice to be able to just push him away and make him stand up. But here we are. And then it gets you to the ground,

what, like a minute 45, a minute 30 left. And at that point, we kind of knew like, all right, like, did you know, like, all right, he's got me on the ground. This guy's the best in the ground. Yeah, here we are again. Yeah. Here we are again, you know.

And he didn't do it. any damage. You just held me and hugged me and did his thing. Yeah. At that point for him, he doesn't have to really do anything, right? He's just to keep control. And then Chandler 2.0, or Chandler 1.0 reverted back where I was like, hey, now we're like, hey, I'm about to take this 180 pound man

with one leg and stand up. Waddle his ass to the middle of the fucking ring. Yeah, we can't do it right here. We got to walk to the middle of that monster can and freaking slam him twice. And I know it's like, It's like, it's not like, hey, I'm going to see if I could knock him out with this thing. I thought, dude, when you did it, I was like, he knocks him out. It would have been actually the craziest thing ever. If his, he lost his breath or he freaking went unconscious.

But obviously, there was a zero percent chance of that happening, really. But I was like, this is just for the fans. I looked right at freaking Donald Trump and Kid Rock on the first one. And then on the second one, as I was getting up, I was on three points. And Hunter Campbell had his hands like this. And he was just like looking at me. Like, this is freaking nuts. we like locked eyes and I was like and I smiled at him and just did it again for the second one.

Dude, when you fuck, the fifth round was maybe the most electric fifth round you could ever watch. You had him in the corner. He gets you on the ground like the range of emotions was crazy because we're screaming. He's going to do it. Then he gets in the ground. I'm like, man, it's over. That sucks.

And then he's sort of stand up and you're like, hey, what's he doing? What's he about to do right now? And you just literally like it was cinema. It was absolutely similar because you're like struggling to get up and he's just holding on your back and you can see your legs shaking and your body's shaking

you're like just the power of an alpha male standing up for the people everyone's like oh because you could feel the crowd the crowd was like all right they got my mother's like all right

they're going to be on the ground for the rest of the time this fight's over let's get ready for the John Jones fight and then when you start to quiver your way up with him on his back and wait wait a second now what are we doing here

what are you get a high dump about it. They were like, holy shit. And you stand up. And then when you mouth, fuck it. Yeah. And then dipped on the back. I was like, holy shit. Yeah. He might not. I, in my dumb brain, I'm like, he might fucking knock him out of that. He might fucking do it. Well, what's really funny is we already have history. I did it in the first fight. Right. And I think when he had my back, that thought went through my mind a couple different times during the fight. But I'm like, no, takes a lot of energy. It's, there's a one percent chance that it helps out and does something cool it's just a cool it's a wow factor type of situation but with 40 seconds left in the

fight you're like let's wow him let's give them seconds if you yeah go back to the other clip yeah there's like 13 seconds left 13 seconds left that was the second one yeah was it yeah dude yeah just walking through he's got your leg you're just fucking hobbling over yeah and i hey did you did you tap at the end well so that i thank god yeah because you also i did well technically i kind of did, but it was more like a good job buddy. He freaking did this and kissed me. It was like a show of respect type of thing. It was like a good job, you know, like, thumbs up. Never heard of a man seeking his tongue out going to blah, lo, lo, lo, lo, you just do the body things twice. He's hanging on. You're both just being showman. Yeah. Well, that was that was like a moment for us. And I look back at it and people,

people were like, oh, he tapped. And like, and like, and that's where the referee did not, I guess you would say like follow the rules. It's like if he saw a tap, he should, but he knows what's happening. He, he's reft thousands of fights. Charles Alvara does not have a submission. As a matter fact, his arms are loose around me. I'm not tapping. It was a it was a pat on the competitor, right? Right. But yeah, I look back on like, dude, thank God. That would have that would, that would have sucked. I mean, bro, he steps and pulls it all. Yeah. One second left on the clock. I know, right? You know, it's, but it was, I think he knew what was happening there. We're both smiling. We're both that's, yeah, fuck it. Dude.

The fuck it was elite. Elite. Before the fight, Bruce Buffer did an ad read for Gladiator 2. And then your fight happens. I'm like, whoever's in charge of Gladiator 2, put Mike in the trailer. Dude, no doubt. Yeah, I don't think that's a coincidence that they waited until my fight to do that, you know, because obviously gladiator. Hell yeah.

Well, yeah, I guess are you not entertained? That's a freaking gladiator. Yeah. Damn, dude. Yeah. I need to holler at the freaking. Have they filmed that yet? Coming out this week.

Hey, man. Kid Rock's losing. You see Jelly's arm waving around. I will say I've been getting sent videos of the second slam because obviously the first one happens and the whole entire Madison Square Garden is on their feet. Yeah. The entire Madison Square Garden is on their feet because especially when people saw me getting like struggling my way to my feet for the second one, people were like, oh shit, he's going to do it

again. Yeah. Like he's going to do it again. we're about to see it again. And it was Devin, my buddy Devin, who sent me one where he's a little bit far back where you can kind of see 12,000 of the 20,000 people

and they're all standing up and half of them were waving their hands in there. They're like, they're like, he's going to do it again, you know? It was insane. Mike United America. Yeah, yeah, dude. Brought it back.

Yeah. I mean, that's where the fight was out the window at that point. It was just like, hey, we're, I'm living my best life. Like, I'm doing this right now and I'm going to live my best life. And we're going to do something spectacular. What was it? Dana said, and I love that he said it.

He said, I'm in the business of making holy shit moments. You know, that's what he does. That's what he sells. He doesn't sell fights. He doesn't sell competition. He doesn't sell the UFC. He's selling holy shit moments. You know, like that's what he does.

And you're six for six. I ain't going anywhere. Six for six. You know, like that's where, and that was one of those things. Yeah. So what do you think's next? Well, there's only one. Yeah.

Oh, the callout. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I had my whole, I had my whole speech lined out. You know, I was going to, I was going to win, do my job. I was going to call it Islam or Max for the BMF belt or Connor, obviously. But obviously, I was, I was 100% said I wanted to fight Islam next or Armin could win that, but I think Islam wins.

But, and I was going to be caged side for it. Still might be. go out there do some appearances everybody loves L.A. We'll go to L.A. boys. Yeah. We'll go to L.A. You know, so. We'll dip in L.A.

Looks like it's going to be Connor next. What do you think the reality of Connor is? Guys on a yacht, $500 million, whatever he's got, breaks the pinky toe. In court. In court right now. Yeah, tough week for the boy. Tough week. Tough week.

Do you think this is a real reality that he comes back to the Octagon? I'm not saying it's a real reality, but I am saying if he does, his road. come straight through Nashville, Tennessee. You know, like his road back to the UFC, we have to finish the ultimate fighter. The UFC wants to finish the ultimate fighter. Connor wants to fight me. Like there's, he can fight anybody,

but he made a commitment, you know. And I've said this numerous times. I have no problem giving my opponent's props. Like I think he is, he's more sentimental and romantic about the sport than people give him credit for because he has become this big, infamous, you know, brand, right? But he knows he's nothing without that UFC

octagon he knows he's nothing without the ufc he was a plumber on welfare sleeping on a couch and without the ufc he's he's nothing you know and i don't say that to take anything away from him we all know know you know we need our we need our um employers or our brands or whatever to take us to the next level and create the life right so i think he wants to see through to his commitment quite frankly I mean, he needs to come back. He needs something to chase or else he's going to keep chasing the wrong things. And if he does, there's a guy waiting

and it just so happens that I think I'm one of the top draws in the UFC. Like, there people will pay good money to watch me fight no matter what. That's an oh shit moment. It's oh shit moments, nonstop, dude. Because I will give them to you. Like, I am guaranteed to give them to you.

And I might be the only guy in the UFC who will guarantee that you will have an oh shit. moment and I wear that proudly and here we are so Connor's got to come back if he comes back he's fighting me as you exit the octagon except if you're going to left stick a hard right because me jelly JP tailin brie we're all waiting for you take a hard right go see old 47 yeah what you say to him um just shook you know I shook his hand and he he said uh he said awesome fight you're a warrior or whatever and he whispered him up Yeah, he whispered in my idea.

There's a really cool shot actually of him whispering in my ear. And he was just like, you were one bad mofo type of deal. You know, it was like, it was pretty freaking cool. And I was like, well, you are. Thank you for saving our country. And then from there, it was like the entire Avengers squad was there. Like the entire group of people that is going to set our country in the right direction is there. Plus, one of my favorite people is Tulsi Gabbard.

You see what's up to her? Yeah. that was obviously the first time I met her. She's got a calm confidence about her. She's got to know her about her. Like when she speaks, she just sounds like I was in 08 when Obama was running for president. I didn't know shit about politics.

Still really don't. But I would watch Obama and be like, yo, this guy just sounds amazing when he speaks. I have no idea what he's actually saying. Tulsa gives me the same vibe. It's like she just holds herself very confidently. She had a great energy about her when we were sitting there. And when she speaks,

she just sounds like she really just speaks very. very well. Tulsa Gabbard is going to be the first female president. That's that's my hope. I hope Tulsa Gabbard is the first female president for the United States. So the streets you're saying. Yeah. The whispers, the clamorings. Yeah. She's, which is, which is great. I mean, I love that she's, what is she, uh, director of national intelligence, uh, which is really funny because they put her on like the terror watch list and all the stuff. It's just like what's really cool from the political

side is to see the political establishment start to freak out about how, uh, unqualified, dangerous and scary all these people are because they are threatening the bureaucracy that has been there going on for the last hundred years and had us taking steps backwards. Because those people have been in power. You know, the left has been in power, what, 12 of the last 16 years? You know? And so it's exciting. And either way, whether you voted one side or the other or you're upset about one or the other,

either way, it's a change. Like, hey, let's just give it a shot, right? It's no different than your seven years into your NFL career. Let me let me just try this thing. It's a little on the fringe. It's a little some people hate it. Some people love it. But let's just try this thing.

Let's try to have a freaking rocket scientist. Let's try to have a guy who was independent in the middle. He was on the left and has now come over to the right. Like, let's just try it. Let's try this thing. It's a little bit different than just a bunch of suits who have been living the public service life for the last 40 years. and don't have a lot of actual moving the country forward to show for it. And they got everybody they want in.

Like if it's going to happen, it's going to be now. Yeah. And then if a guy like me who is 100% on board, I look back and be like, yeah, rocket sciences, he's an idiot in politics. But he should, he was the wrong guy. We fucked up. RFK. Yeah, he's an idiot.

Never mind. We go four years. We had high hopes, right? But it's like, let's just try something different. That's what America does, dude. Right. America makes innovations and they take big risks. And that was what the country, the country.

the country was founded upon, you know? But you brought up a good point of the, the hope thing. And it's like regardless of left or right or whatever, whoever wins, wherever side of the aisle you lay on, you, you want hope. You're like, hey, if it wasn't my choice, let's hope this works out for the best. Because at the end of the day, we just want our country to do as well as it's possible to want. It's also going to be raising a beer before the July. 100%.

Yeah. And I think Trump said it. He said it in maybe his acceptance speech or whatever, you know. And he said it, it's great. It's like success brings people together. And if we are successful, We said that on us with the boys. Did he really?

Yeah, he said it on the job. Right, exactly. You know, I thought you watched. Well, I did watch, but I, I can forget. Did you hear our shoutout? Yeah. I did. I did. Which is freaking amazing.

Yeah, it was a wild deal. But, you know, like success brings people together, dude. It's like, love me or hate me, if I make your life better, you got to give me props for that. Right. You're happy about it. Yeah, a lot of the fear and a lot of the stuff, like hopefully everything just calms down the next couple of years.

Yeah, I mean, it's been, it's been pretty good and cordial. Don't watch the news and just live your life and watch your own. Well, yeah, we're going to keep doing what we do. Just having people on Tuesdays come hang out with us. Lockroom comes out on Thursdays. Right. Dang. I guys play video games.

Yeah. We have a stream at one o'clock today. Yeah, you guys got three of what we're shooting us right now. So MRI, have you already gotten the MRI? No, I'm hounded on. I'm like, I want it today. Yeah, you should have. They should have given it to you like right after the fight.

Yeah. But the next morning. Well. No, no, yeah. I mean, that was, that was partly me because, like, I wanted to just not be held hostage in New York and, you know, get you here. You should have got the MRI, Mike. Okay, maybe. Be a professional.

I know. You need to do it the next day. I did. But I wanted to go hang out. You a little ouchy. They give you an MRI the next day. Yeah, I know. But get an MRI.

Don't go on a plane. Yeah. Right. I get inflammation going. Yeah. Exactly. No, that's what it is. Maybe it's just, maybe it's just the plane.

He's having a little fun with you. Look at him. Maybe it's just the inflammation from the plane. maybe the knee's fine. That's what I'm saying. We're not making any excuses. A little turmeric, a little red light therapy.

Who knows? If you knew what if you knew with the MRI, I would say, what would you guess it would say? I don't know. I don't, I really don't want to. Let's play doctor. Let's pretend we have PhDs.

I really don't want to know. But I don't know. Either way, when the MRI comes up for your knee, put the pit bull on it. Free game. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, we'll, yeah, we can break it down on the next episode of Bustin with the boys. But I don't think if there's a road to recovery, there's a road to recovery. the timeline will work out fine you know i think i think me and connor international fight week is the next fight that's what i'm throwing out there like i think june july when do you think when do those conversations start to happen give us a timeline on that when do you know if that's a reality uh well i mean i got to see what's up with the the body right now what you should have done a couple

days ago i know but uh i'll talk to hunter in the next couple days you know well i'm sure he's giving me a little time right now to see what some options are yeah i mean no matter what it's like chandler versus anybody is a thumbs up for the UFC right now. Okay, so let's say Connor's done. He rides off in the sunset, that's it. In your perfect world, who you fight next? Max Holloway for the BMF belt, you know, I mean, I'm, I don't know what my ranking is now. Probably still seven-ish or whatever.

He's number five because he beat Gaichi, you know. So like you got two guys inside the top 10, BMF belt, 155. Chandler versus Gaichie, too, that's a big fight, you know. that's another banger you know um you see that one at 155 too that would that would be at 155 yeah i would love to fight a 170 how much does it suck to just get to 155 you look like such a different human being yeah it's you step on to weigh in and everything else i'm like being around you as much as we have the last few years it's you can just see how much work and effort it is to get down it's yeah it's calorie restricted every day like i did not have one day in which my calories

exceeded my burning calories. Like my resting metabolic rate was like 3,500 to 3,800 or something like that. And I was ingested like 1,200 to 1,500 to 500 calories a day. I mean, you look like a brand new person right now compared to when you wait a bit. Well, I'm a little swollen, yeah, I'm a little swollen right now. Yeah.

Like just my whole body is inflamed. Took no damage, but a little swollen right now. My whole body has inflamed. So he didn't let any damage on me. He's got a black eye. Yeah. My head's fine. Look at me.

I'm like, yeah, look at you. What the fuck? If I look like that, people'd be like, Jotao, what happened? Well, I think, yeah, but you forgot when I got on the bus after Gachie. You were freaking after Poria. Yeah, yeah, you know, like face was much more jacked up. If you do take on Holloway, are you standing up with him?

What's the deal? You swing out? I don't want to, man. He's literally giving guys, you know, pointers during fights. Yeah, he's looking away while throwing jabbies. You don't want to now because you just came home and hugged your kids. Yeah, I know. When you're in that cave.

Oh, yeah, that guy's a psycho. That guy will stay with Max Holloward for five rounds and be willing to die in there, you know. which is you know it's great i know i got an emmy and uh we'll never lose it so yeah that would be a fun one i would love to fight at 170 though but it's got to be the right fight at 170 you know what you didn't do in your last fight oh what did that see if it's out no i didn't say it's a fist oh dang it you're right we talked about it because i had to go forward to do that i was fighting backwards the entire freaking you say you don't have an excuse but i don't know that that's crazy we did talk about the day the day of the day

of the day before day before day before I was a hey bro spinning back fist yeah dang I didn't have I didn't make something happen I didn't feel he laughed he goes yeah I could do that I'm thinking myself do it I didn't know seriously do it I need yeah could you could you imagine just in a little spin that would have been awesome get in there one two stomach should you got um should you have got uh Charles's body a little bit more get his hands down yeah I didn't go to the body at all I mean part of that I'll tell you what you need to have that you got to have JP you got to have JP in your corner feel that bro.

JP was calling things out. Yeah. He's like if he goes to the body a little bit more, Olivera, his hands are way too high right now. JP is on his shit. Yeah, no, he is. I needed you a break down the footage. We can do that.

Y'all check out Mike's YouTube channel. We'll be on there. We'll be on there. Break it down for me. This could be a crazy one. And maybe it's a bad idea, but no bad ideas in brainstorm for next fight-wise. If Volk loses the snout,

it looks like he's going to get a rematch. It's a pour you, yeah? Yeah, like maybe a Chandler Volk. Chandler Volk at 55? He would love that. He would probably even love to go to 170. Oh, yeah, that would be fun. I mean, yeah, we should just, we should just normalize,

we should just normalize fighting in our normal weights. Like, that would be great. You know, 155 for you, you hated that. Yeah, it's, uh, but, but I'm so damn good at it though. That's, that's what's crazy is like, even the hard stuff for me, it just, it just, it needs to, I wish people could see, what I went through the last 12 weeks and it's like, yeah, it sucked. But if you just stick to a plan and you do it and you have discipline and you do not cheat whatsoever, it's all doable. Like I honestly

had a very, very easy weight cut. Did it suck? Absolutely. Was it painful? Yes. Was it uncomfortable? Was I ticked off? Yes, but it was a, it was an easy weight cut. But the weight cut doesn't start the fight week. Weight cut started 12 weeks prior. I mean, the weight cut started when I had, I mean, I had that conversation with you about, hey, dude, here's the options. Here's what's going on. And I was like, I don't want to go to 155. I was in the middle. I was in the of like starting to calorie restrict. I'm weighing like 190 something 191 and I'm like starting to calorie restrict because they wanted me to fight October 5th and I was like hunter I dude you I will make I will make weight I will make weight if I give you my commitment and I sign my name on a

downline I will make weight I just think I'm going to be a shell of a human being inside of the octagon and I'm going to be frail and probably banged up because of this hard weight cut for it's too soon can we do matter? Madison Square Garden. And he said no at first. And then obviously we know how it played out. I fought a Madison Square Garden. But I was in the middle.

I started way soon because I needed to go from a 170 body type down to a 155. I need to cut. Just get down to like 200 or something. Wait until after the holiday season. Yeah, dude. We're, we're about to have a fun couple of week, month and a half. Right. You just fired me up.

Hey, Thanksgiving. I got to give up Trader Joe snacks, dude. I can't give up the dark chocolate peanut buttercups, man. They crumble me. I know. Their peanut butter pretzel bites? God. Well, that's, yeah.

I yearn for them. That's where, yeah, that's where I'm getting. I yearn for them. That's where I'm getting my head wrapped around. Like, if I got to get, you know, any kind of surgery or something, I'm like, okay, I'm going straight carnivore the whole time. I'm freaking going to be in my red light bed every day. Because we have the most buttered turkey.

Ooh. The most buttered turkey. We're doing a competition this year in the Juan household. Anybody who comes over who wants to participate will have a scale, way ins and way out. Oh, right. Right. Yeah. Yeah, winner take all.

I'm gonna win that, dude. I can manipulate my weight so well. Yeah, you think so. I can manipulate my weight so well. I'm gonna show up one. He won't 955. Yeah, he went backwards. He went from 310 to, what are you, like, 240?

Don't be disrespectful. 255? 255. What are you talking about? You look great, dude. Thank you. Yeah, you looks phenomenal. That wasn't a shot.

You lost. There was, when I was in the 240s, we'll give me the whole, hey, you're doing the whole shoulders forward. You're getting a little too skinny. You look a little sick in the face. He sat me down a little bit and I was like, all right, I got to put like 10 more pounds on. It's good, but I think I'm going to try to, I'm going to wait cut to like 245 for Thanksgiving, which is a week.

That's what I'm saying. I'm going to have to do that. Yeah. No. You stay where you're at, buddy. I'm putting 15 pounds on the day of Thanksgiving. Calling it now. You're sleeping on Mitch.

Mitch, but Mitch. You are sleeping on Mitch. No, he's the problem. Mitch stays with the carbs. When you cut carbs, you lose water weight so fast. So if I have no carbs, I did. fuck up in New York big time. Helic carbs.

Hell of carbs. But if I have no carbs from now till Thanksgiving, I'll have like a free 7, 8 pounds that literally it'll be like a piece of bread and I'll be done. And then it's all about endurance, brother. And you boys have seen me eat when I eat. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're a big boy. Yeah, yeah, get fucking after it. Send me the roster.

I'll make some odds on it. We'll get it out there if people can bet on it. We got to just do that one day in general. Like Thanksgiving, I know everybody's got their thing, but we should just see who can eat the most one day. Well, everybody could still. That would be great. Dude, that would be awesome. Dude,

like an eating contest. How much weight can you gain in one day? The buss and bowls. Yeah. Just bowls of freaking whatever you decide. Spaghetti. Taylund makes these like cinnamon rolls, dude. I'm telling you.

She made them a week ago. And I was like, first off, go fuck yourself. You should never make. I've told you I'm not doing a car until Thanksgiving. Dang. But I told you, her Thanksgiving.

I was like, make one for everybody. And then make a whole separate one because I'm eating the whole thing. I'm going, those cinnamon. rolls are insane bro they're so good yeah those those sourdough ones yes you ever put a full we had them last year right down uh i mean you know i don't think you could on thanksgiving

with thanksgiving meals and everything else dang just letting you know don't think you can't i love it no i love i love this you're probably right but i'm gonna i'm gonna do i'm gonna do so they're like 12 of them boys on there i know i'm seeing they're actually kind of excited about that challenge yeah Food comas and dudes, dudes, dudes, duke. Even fans included, too. You have a way in at, what, 7, 8 in the morning? Post your scale. Yeah.

Post your scale and then, what, 7 p.m., 8 p.m. Yeah, 12-hour window. 12-hour window. Hashtag busing bloated boys. We'll come up with the hashtag. Yeah, you got to do a water cut. Bus and busty boys. You got to do a water cut.

Bus and turkey games. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a Wednesday next week. Let's do it. Wednesday next week. Yeah. It's like me when I weighed in 156, 155.6. And then 12 hours later, I was 175.

So it's like 20 pounds. What's a water cut? Explain that is that the, is that the, well, it's more just dehydration. Dehydration. Yeah. Dehydration. Well, water fast means you're really only drinking water. Right.

This is more like not drinking much water. I think, I think that the last 24 hours I only drink like 32 ounces of water, 64 hours of water. And we should do that next Wednesday. How long does it take? Um, I mean, You just basically do a 24-hour one where you're not, you're just dehydrating yourself for 24 hours.

Can I have nicotine? Yes. Okay. You can have coffee? Yeah. I mean. Coffee dehydrate you, right? Yeah.

That'd be easy for me. You smack that? I'll be pissing gold sometimes, brother. Oh, shoot. I got to drink some water. Yeah, yeah. You got to get that water. You drink some water.

I love how you think I just sit on the couch when I'm at home. Well. I don't. Sometimes. No, I texted, I texted Will last night, and he's like doing dishes. Just going after it. I'm not going to say everything he said. He was out there.

He's getting, he was running the scoreboard up right now at home. He's crushing. He's doing what he's got to do. That's a good one. That's a fun grind. When you were doing a water cut, was that you right there? That's severe dehydration? Oh, yeah.

For him. No, my, uh, I've been in that little brown. I've been in that third one. Yeah, I've been in the brown. Yeah, I've been in the brown. Yeah, I've not been in. I mean, I don't understand why this severely dehydrated is red. That looks like blood.

Right. I paid blood one time. I was 13. It was kind of painful. That's why I was wondering if it was painful for you. I think my whole body was in pain, so I just wouldn't have really noticed. But,

man. But yeah, it's definitely a different density, you know, because blood compared to just urine. Expanding your hole. Erethro? No,

Ditty. Whatever that thing is. How was Bree after the fight? She was good, man. Like she, she was tough before the fight because she hadn't done. 12 weeks is over yeah yeah yeah i mean that's that's talking about scoreboards yeah i remember seeing her at halloween i was like how you doing that's right she's like oh we're in it yeah because she yeah she

had a tough time with this one because she hadn't done it in two years i mean we would been together for 10 no 12 years married for 10 uh-oh but she's been she's been used to you know she's been used to me fighting every six months or so we she didn't she wasn't used to it for two years you know so it was a little bit without kids yeah and without kids yeah and without a couple of Yeah. So she's, she's handling all that. And then she's also handling the emotions. Like even when we were in New York, like she, on fight day, she was just sitting in her hotel room by herself for like five, six hours. I was like, you good? She's like, yeah, I just hanging out. Just want to be by myself, you know, because you're also not yourself. Like, that's how I am around fight week and stuff. It's like, hey, dude, let's go do this. Let's go do have dinner. And I'm like, no, because I'm going to be there. I'm not going to be myself. How am I handling this interaction? I'm not myself. I don't really want to be here. We're having a conversation. I'm like, But I don't really care about this conversation and I completely okay with giving myself permission and not care about this conversation because I have to go fight in a cage in 24 hours type of thing and she's the same thing. It's like we had 25 25 friends there probably, right? But she's like I'm not the normal breed that you guys are used to because my husband's about to go fight in a cage and my body's doing weird things and I don't have an appetite and not sleeping well and you know so she was happy after because once again I've never lost a fight like every time. I we're going up right like it's win lose or draw it's like whatever it sucks if you lose but it's also like hey the future looks bright so you're just happy it's over you know yeah you're just happy

it's over and you're happy it's over and it and it worked out decent whatever it's fine you know and I'm home now you're excited that I get to come home and just be dad and husband for a little while yeah and uh yeah so she was good after well that's awesome brother we're happy for you Regardless, so the win-loss column, man, you put on an absolute show. Oh, shit moments, dude. Oh, shit moments. When, lose, we brawl. That's right.

We don't go gently. Yeah, we do not go quietly into the night. I got holidays. Just enjoy them all, dude. Yeah. Get plump, get excited. Jan 1, we'll focus on the body again. Yeah, we're moving to the new house in a couple weeks.

Let's go. December 5th. Before Christmas? New house? Yeah. So, celebrating. So, yeah, we've got to move to all that stuff. That'll be fun.

Yeah, during the holidays. Right down the road. Maybe that won't be. With the recovery, all the injuries having to move. Yeah. You almost got a hope for a surgery, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I am not, yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, oh.

Yeah, babe, grab that box. Yeah, babe. That's a good. Is that heavy? Good, well, put you back into it, man. That's the perfect time. That's the perfect time. Get her one of those little weight belts at the movers have.

Let her start get her dolly. She's got to get back surgery. Then we're both, we're both on the freaking injured reserve. That'd be the worst. You're coming off of recovery. She's going into a recovery. It's like, now I got to do what I saw her do. They'll be happy doing the J-Holt workouts.

Yeah, dude. You got to get right. Move these boxes. I'll tell you what. Thanks for coming all, bro. Of course, we appreciate it. Always. Back on the bus.

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