Bussin' With The Boys - Ndamukong Suh On Aaron Rodgers Stomp & Nebraska Heisman Run + Business Beyond The NFL | Bussin'

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

Recorded: September 08, 2025 Taylor Lewan and Will Compton are BACK and kicking the NFL season off with a banger guest, Ndamukong Suh! In this week's intro Will and Taylor talk about their trip to ESPN HQ and going on Get Up last week. They then introduce our new #TierTalk segment that is viewer comment driven (make sure to submit questions below in comments or on Twitter using the hashtag). Then it’s time for a legendary guest—Ndamukong Suh finally making his way onto the bus. Suh opens up about life after football, his transition into becoming a business mogul, and the weekly routines that keep him sharp. He reflects on his college football days at the University of Nebraska, what it was like playing with Will, and the unique journey that brought him to Lincoln in the first place. Suh also talks about being drafted by the Detroit Lions, the fallout that led to him leaving, and what really happened during his Miami Dolphins stint. From breaking down the challenges of being his own agent to explaining why he might be the most misunderstood NFL player of all time, Suh leaves no stone unturned. He shares stories about his relationship with Warren Buffett & The Boys even float a potential Bussin x Suh partnership—so you know things get interesting. This one is packed with laughs, insight, and legendary storytelling. Suh’s reputation precedes him, but on the bus he gets to set the record straight. Big Hugs & Tiny Kisses TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro3:18 Bussin' Scheduling  5:46 Crawford vs Canelo8:09 Who Is The Greatest Coach Of All Time18:27 First ESPN Appearance20:34 The Bussin' Fantasy League26:10 Will Would Get A Ring If Nebraska Wins A Natty28:34 #TierTalk47:46 NDAMUKONG SUH INTERVIEW STARTS48:15 Finally Got Him On49:42 He’s Always Been A Big Boy51:32 How Is Retired Life?53:30 Becoming A Business Mogul1:00:59 Weekly Routine1:05:30 Playing With Will At Nebraska 1:12:22 Relationship With Nebraska Now1:13:50 Journey To Nebraska 1:16:12 Was He Offered Any Money At Nebraska?1:23:43 Getting Drafted By The Lions + Eventually Getting “Kicked Out” Of Detroit1:39:43 What Happened In Miami?1:42:14 Being His Own Agent 1:47:27 Most Misunderstood NFL Player Of All Time?1:51:29 Nobody Messed With Suh At Nebraska1:55:28 Relationship With Warren Buffett 1:57:15 Biggest Price You’ve Paid For A Breakthrough? 2:01:38 Bud Light: What Would You Do Anything For?2:03:21 Bussin X Suh Partnership?? 2:05:07 Would You Change Anything About Your Career?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Shout out everybody who showed up to the stream. We got a lot of new things that are happening in the Bustin with the boys. If this is your first time this week tuning in to Bustin with the Boys, we did a football weekend reaction show yesterday where we talk college football, we talk NFL football, all the big headlines coming out of the weekend. All of our football talk will be in yesterday's Monday's episode. Greg Olson tuned in. We are following his youth football team all season long.

We also talk a lot of NFL games with Greg Olson. But we got that rolling out on Mondays. You got Bustin with the boys or regular programming on Tuesdays. you just won't get as much of the football talk that we usually do on this Tuesday episode. That's on yesterday's episode. Wednesdays we have four of the dads that drops in the locker room, our college football locker room with Josh Pate and Pate State that drops Wednesday evenings at 6 p.m. Then on Thursdays, you got the NFL locker room with the boys.

Delaney Walker and Clay Matthews talking all NFL. That drops at 6 a.m. on Thursday. You got busting streams with our Thursday night football game Thursday night. You can see the boys on Get Up on ESPN Thursday morning. And then on Fridays, to round out the week, you got inside the bus with the boys on the back of the bus. That drops every Friday at 6 a.m. But a lot going on in the bus and universe. That is how we are tackling our weeks.

And if you didn't see us on social media yesterday, we want to engage with the fans a lot more. So if you use the hashtag tier talk, whether it's football questions, life questions. The life questions would be more on this episode, the Tuesday episode. But just use hashtag tier talk on social media. That's how we see it. We will feature you on the show by putting up your ex post wherever it is. Could be in the comment section, whatever the case is. We'll be doing.

That is how our tier talk is going to roll now. Also on this episode, our interview, a massive interview. This is an incredible conversation with Indyampi and Sue. I know the dicks are hard right now in Nebraska with Sue rolling out. But overall, Detroit, Miami, his stint at L.A., business talk, everything. We get into some of his controversial calls throughout his career. Controversial things that might have had may or may not happen. I'll say this about this episode.

This is the most in-depth he's ever gone about his controversial calls that I've personally seen anywhere else from the internet. Yeah, agreed. It's an awesome interview. But thank you for tuning in to Bustin with the boys. Where do we even start? There is a big, just stepping outside the football world. There is a big fight happening. on Saturday night on Netflix.

We might as well just promo that. Because you got Terrence Crawford, born and raised Omaha, Nebraska. You led the Huskers out against the Colorado Buffalo last year at Memorial Stadium. We know how that game turned out. He's taken on Canelo.

Two champions, one legacy. Canelo and Crawford are facing off for the first time in their Hall of Fame boxing careers. You got Canelo Alvarez that holds all the major belts in the super middleweight. biggest earner per fight around 100 million per fight, the most followed Mexican athlete in the game.

Versus Terrence Crawford, I already said it, born and raised in Omaha, Nebraska, one of only three male boxers in history to be undisputed champion in two divisions, 41 wins, no losses, no draws, across four-weight divisions. 76% of his wins are by K.O. and champion in three different divisions.

Canelo has not only his legacy at stake, but also the weight of his entire country to come out on top. And Crawford is just looking to round out an undefeated career and walk away as the greatest of his era. Canello, greatest of his era. That is what is on the line. Who are we taking? The fight is accessible globally and included as part of your Netflix subscription. There's not a pay-per-view fight. If you have Netflix, you can watch this fight live.

We watch Canello Alvarez versus Terrence Crawford Saturday, September 13th at 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific Standard Time live on Netflix. Who do we got in this fight, fellas? You know, for me, this is biased. This is Nebraska boy. This is Terrence Crawford. I'm going to, I'm going to Canelo.

A lot of you people don't know this about me, but my family hails from Halisco, Mexico. I'm actually 36% Mexican. So I've got to sit behind my brother from south of the border. I'm going to go Canello in this one. Dude, this is a big fight. Crawford comes out on top here. Canelo, the legacy that this man has is second to none.

Obviously, people argue you wish him and Mayweather would have fought in their primes. He did have Pacquhart earlier in his career, but Canello is an absolute monster. I love that this fight's happening. I wish it would have happened sooner, but nonetheless, we are getting it. And your boy's right now. But it bears the question, who's the greatest of all time? And obviously in our lanes that we sit in is football. So why not?

have a quick conversation, which we kind of did in pre-production before. It's like who is the goat coach of all time. You can go college. You can go NFL. You can go a mix of both. I know Mitch, we were sitting there. He was beating down the table. Urban Meyer, Urban Meyer.

He's a goat. He's a goat. You think Urban Meyer's the goat? He won one at Florida. He won't where Ohio State. I got to have them. That's my guy. Believe it or not, I would not go with Urban Meyer.

I would actually go with Joe Paterno. Okay. Too interesting. All right. That's not where I thought you were going to go to. You would go Joe Paterno. All-time winning. being his coach and like ever

I think when it comes to college football I'm across both Sherm you got to go ahead I was going to say Sherim like while this is happening he got to bring up Joe Paterno you got to bring him Nick Sabin Vince Lombardi Andy Reid

Bill Belichick Tom Osborne What about Michigan who's the most winnings? Jim Harball Bo Schembeckler Shembeckler yeah Lloyd Carr's another one he could put in there came in after Beau Schembeckler Woody Hayes

Woody Hayes, solid guy. Bear Bryant. Punch the guy. Punch the player. That's all right. Sometimes you got to get a little gritty up in there. We got to figure out. We got to figure this answer out.

And I'll say this. I know a lot of people are beating down the door right now saying it's Bill Belichick. It's Bill Belichick. I have a problem with the legacy of Bill Belichick right now. I don't want to come off as a hater. But like this whole thing that's happening in UNC right now, it just doesn't feel like Bill Belichick. And just life outside of Tom Brady. Exactly.

Exactly. Like you look at Andy Reed. And it's like, yeah, what is Bill Belichick without Tom Brady? Because we know what Tom Brady is without Bill Belichick. But we don't, we found out that like, hey, can Bill really won? And then you were just about to bring it up who is personally, I believe my goat. Andy Reid, who wins a Super Bowl with Philadelphia, wins a couple of Super Bowls with Kansas City. It's like, how are we?

How is he not talked about more of being the goat when it comes to Super Bowl's NFL, the whole thing? Yeah, people are screaming and forgetting to wipe their ass because, like, Will, you're such a hater on the Chiefs, but that is my, I think that's my go-to right now. I'm with you on that one. Is Andy Reed. And Vince LaBardi, I get it. Yeah, like he is, the, the trophy's named after him for a reason. But like,

forward passes now involved. What about Pop Warner? Pop Warner? He's on the list. Number four. He's on the list. There's a little, there's literally a whole age group of football named after him. Wow. Yeah, maybe

the best coach you never heard of. Maybe the best coach you were confused about when he sat on a bus and some guy said, what about Pop Warner? And you immediately thought middle school. Maybe I'm that guy. Oh, the one thing I'll say about Andy Reid is I loved when Gruden was on the bus and just talking about the rivalry they had with Andy Reed and how much he was like, I got to be better than this guy.

This guy's good. And that if John Gruden is sitting there saying I think Andy Reid's the best one out there, hands down, that's my answer. You got to do like ask chat GPT. to do side by side by side comparisons of Nick Saban's resume Andy Reed's resume Vince Lombardi it's going to be tough because it's college in NFL yeah is a tough one yeah that's true I mean I saw some stats of Nick Saban on TikTok the other day since there there has been more people that walked on the moon than Nick Saban had losses I think from 2014 to 2024

That is an insane stat. Great stat. Also, hey, we can't forget about Jim Harville. If he goes and wins one with the Chargers, like he might be one of the greatest ever doing that. Hey, look at Andy Reed here. Playoff record, Andy Reed is 26 and 16. Saban, bowl games, 19 and 12.

Regular seasons, overall record, you got 258 and 144 and one for Andy Reed, 297 and 71 for Nick Sabin. championship. You got three Super Bowl, three times Super Bowl champion. Andy Reid, two different teams, right? No, I think he won.

I don't think the Eagles. He won one with the Eagles. Doug Peterson won with the Eagles. That's all right. He made it to the NFC championship a couple times. He went to like three NFC championships in a row and then lost. Does that pull Andy Reid from our list now? He lost a Super Bowl.

Seven-time national champion, Nick Saban, conference titles. You got Andy Reid, who's a six-time NFC champion, six-time AFC champion. That's nice. That's 12 total conference titles. And Saban has 10. Only 10? Only 10?

Only 10? Man. I think I'm... My argument for Saban... These are the two best in my opinion. My argument for Saban is this. When Andy Reid gets players, they're already developed, coached up NFL professionals. Nick Sabin creates professional football players.

So to me, if you're going off of greatest coach, he, I mean, you still get littered with all the talent. For sure. But as far as development. Development. You're getting all the five years. Well, you want to talk about development. Then we can go back to Jim Harbaugh. He gets three star guys.

I love Jim Harbaugh. That's a good answer. He has the highest win percentage right now in the NFL. I think it's 75% is what it is. 75% winner. Might be 74. Don't quote me. A hardball by the end of his career absolutely could be in that conversation.

I think he's a hell of a good. He's got to get one. He's got to get one. He'd be the first. one to oh wait no that is um why am i why am i blowing this right now no jimmy johnson yeah and uh p carroll p carroll yeah super ball national championship yeah so i'm talking out of my ass saying the first one like jimmy johnson was nice he ended up just retiring he just wants to go he just wants to be in florida on his boat just wanted to dip what impresses me the most about hardball is what he did at stanford because

that's a program that a lot of people back in the day were like in modern era you will never with the expectations they have for their players academically the type of players they're bringing in you can never bring championship football to stanford and he did just that he obviously has other accolades but that's the most impressive to me their entire football programs since then they're kind of down the dumps right now was due to harboh. I mean buddy you don't got to talk about the academic standard to me when I was at chaperole high school harball and stanford came to my school we're like hey we love what you do and they saw my transcript they laughed they laughed and said there's no way you're getting in There's no way you're getting into Stanford.

They don't budge when it comes. Michigan's the top 15 public school in the world. Yeah. They're like, we'll figure a couple things out for you. They got my ACT score was like a 29, but like Stanford was like, you're not getting in with that GPA, brother. Is your ACT in 29? Oh, yeah.

That's a strong. That's a strong ACT. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. You know, low them to sleep. Loan to sleep with the GPA?

Strike them with the ACT. It's out of what? 36, right? Yeah. Yeah, 36. That's strong. Thanks, brother. that makes no sense.

Well, I am an anomaly. I am a one-percenter, so it is all good. He said, sleep with the GPA? Strike them with the ACT. I love that. Yeah, low them asleep. Keep happening. If happiness and life is low expectations.

So I think I'm going to put my foot in the ground just for this conversation right now. I'm going to say Andy Reid. Yeah, I think NFL. NFL is the hardest championship to win. I'm going to go Nick Saven. Oh. In sports?

Clump with Nick Saving. I love Nick Saven. The thing with college, though, is like, if you have a dominant team, which Bama had, there's only a few teams that might be challenging you for that national title. The NFL, like, it's an eight-n-league. It's any given Sunday. Right. Margin of error in the NFL, like, the majority of games is one possession or less. Everybody's got dogs. You're not seeing 70 to three games in the NFL.

That's why when you think about the dynasties of- Miami Broncos last year. Okay, one son of- There's one. Right, right. Listen, there's an ECT coming in, blah, blah, blah. That's one of season. People think it's CTA wrong acronym. That's one a season, but like just this past weekend, there were four games that was 68 to three or some shit like that. Yeah, you're right.

You are absolutely right. I just want to put in my little. I love Andy Reid, obviously. But it goes to the Bill Belichick argument. He did not win a Super Bowl after Brady left. Andy Reid does not want a Super Bowl without Patrick Mahomes. So to me, that's like the thing. Yeah, but he's, yeah.

I feel you, but he was still a conference champion. with the Eagles. A lot. They're good. They're great. Just couldn't get it done. Who's your alternative? T.O. doesn't break his foot.

I think I would have to go with, I love Nick's David, but I think I would have to go with the Indy Reed just because of how long he's been doing it across the board in the NFL. I don't think that's ever been matched. And to see him doing it in two different conferences is crazy. To see him doing it in some really hard places historically before he got there to win championships. I don't know. I think he's probably one of the best, if not the best, all time. You just think about the dynasties of the Patriots and the Chiefs. It's like how just rare and incredible it is that we get to witness that like the college, like Bama is sitting there

dominating the whole time. It's not, I mean, it's, it's a huge accomplishment for Coach Sabin in the Alabama like organization. But I feel like you, you come across more dominant, like somebody who has just a dominant era in college football, then you do the NFL. I'm fine with that. One thing, though, love you, Mitch, but we can all agree it's not Joe Paterno, right? Yeah, we can all agree.

It's not Joe Patero. He has the most wins of all times, so that's what I was going off. Yeah, he's got a lot of things. Yeah, he's got a lot of things in that closet. Yeah, a lot of things going on. Had, he's dead now. Stream recap, listen, we already talked about a little bit

at the beginning of this intro. Will Compton said it very poetically, but the stream has been very successful. full from Bust with the Boy Standards. We really appreciate everybody joining in being a part of the chat. We will be doing that every single Thursday night football during the NFL season. Aside from your Thanksgiving and your Christmas, boys, listen, we got families. We're not going to be doing that and put our families in the position.

Saturdays periodically, I believe the next game we're going to stream is going to be Oregon at Penn State for a whiteout game. That's exciting. ESPN. We did our first get-up at ESPN last week. And if I was to sit there and tell you, we were calm, cool, collected the entire time. No would be the answer because we were shitting ourselves up until, I don't know, five minutes after it started. I think five minutes in is when I thought to myself, oh, we're going to be okay.

This is going to be fun time. They're allowing us to be us. Like, this is a good deal. Yeah. A lot of pre-pro nerves. Yeah, a lot of pre-pro nerves. Sherman would love if you went back to the thing as well. When you're sitting in there with Greenie on that pre-production meeting, he's like, oh, what do you

think about this? I was just thinking, like, Dan probably has something. Yeah, I mean, dude, when they were the, first off, ESPN sends a run-of-show to Will. I get a text. I was on the phone with one of the producers, get done with him. And they're like, all right, we'll email you something. I'm like, goes over a bunch of games that I'm like, I really got to read up on a bunch of these games. And I get a text from Will, it says, buddy.

Like 16 hours before kickoff. 16 hours before kickoff, like we had to prepare for a game. I call him. And I go, what's up, man? He goes, did you see what we have to talk about? I was like, no, I just thought you a producer. It seemed like it was all right. He's like, body, double down on the buddy.

Fords me the email of all the games we're going to talk about. I'm like, oh my God. 60 questions. We might be in hell. We might be in over our boots a little bit. Yeah. And to this moment, I still have not gotten the rundown from ESPN. I would not have gotten it if it was for Will forwarding it to me.

So. Better operation. We get it. We'll get it. We'll get it out. Week one football. And a lot of things we could get on better at. I'll say this.

had an absolute blast. It was so much fun. And it was fun because it wasn't like, hey, be Dan Oloffsky or be these other types of personalities. They're like, hey,

here's an area for you just to be yourselves. And so we got a little football talking about a lot of jokes, a lot of fun times. Will made a comment about Miles Garrett's dick on national television. Give me the hammer in the gray.

Hammer in the Grace. Yeah, I'm not taking the hammer in the grays. I'm actually going to take Trey Hendrickson instead as far as Morris Sacks go. Fun time. It's going to be a great time all year. another thing that's going to be a great time all year

is our fantasy football league we have eight teams of two individuals I'll just speak from myself and myself only Kump I played your team last week Yes you did And what do we do? You crushed us Beat the shit out of you guys

No disrespect no disrespect but me and Kube Komsok were the only team with a logo Where the RYA shockers Here to shock the world and we started Our season 1 and O Comp? We're in a barn burner right now Oh it comes down in the night Yeah, me and shout out Derek.

We have DeAndre Swift. That's it. Yeah, and then you guys have... We got T.J. Hockinson and DJ Moore. And we're up by like seven or five. Yeah, from the heroic ending with Josh Allen, because I'm sitting there, I'm like, all right, we got Mitch. Could we be the highest score in the league this week?

And it's like, okay, we're sitting there with Hawkinson and DJ Moore. But yeah, right now Mitchie squads up because Josh Allen late in the game. That was with Xavier Worthy getting hurt on first play of the game. Yeah. You see some of those things early and you're just like, oh my God. I know, bro. Quick shout to Fanduel, dude. I had a little Parlay put in for that Friday night game in Brazil, Chargers Chiefs,

and Xavier Worthy, I think it was over catches or something part of my parley. He gets hurt the first series of the game. And I'm like, my parley's fucking dead. Turns out, Fandle, if somebody gets hurt during your game, there's some sort of void that takes place. I know I'm not doing the fine print as correctly as I should. However, Big Dub, still lost the Parley, but knowing it was still alive after the first series is a great feeling.

Because he got like what, like a parlay insurance or something? Bet protect, it's called. Bet protect. If your player gets hurt in the first quarter and he's like the only leg that doesn't hit, then I believe if like the bet still hits and he's the only one that doesn't, you get your winnings in bonus bets. Love it. And I think if your player just gets hurt at all,

I think you just get whatever you like put down, you get that back. So last thing on the fantasy, unless anybody has anything else to jump. been on the loser whoever gets the worst in the league will have to do a 24-hour stream with their teammate that is what will have to happen my hope is that jp and clay matthews get last because i'd love to see jp and clay matthews for 24 hours in a stream no disrespect to the two of that i think that dynamic will be hilarious second best to me this is essentially one b will compton and matt malone i think that that is i think that one's the best that's everything and

more that actually might be my new one a just saying it out loud because will's reaction when he got matt malone telling you me everything I need to know about the team dynamic in there. The culture of that room is a little tough right now. We're, hey, we're smooth sailing right now. We've had some late night. Down by seven. Yeah, yeah, Matt was talking about you.

He was like Friday night. You're talking about getting Quinn, Quinn Johnson from the Chargers Friday night off of waivers and Matt's hammered at a bar trying to keep up with the conversation. You got to talk to, you got to talk to Matt, though, because he seems like, he came up to me. Damn, like your team is beating my team. It's not our team. We got to change the name because right now it's like Team Malone. It's like Malone's magnificent team or something.

Yeah. Yours is magnificent. Your's is magnificent team. Or Mitch's magnificent team, yeah. But Matt's is all about you too. I'm not saying my team. I'm saying me and like Derek and I's team. Mitch's magnificent team.

I just got to change the team name. Did the team, did whatever the fantasy league, did they make it? They assigned that. Trust me, I would not have made it Mitch's magnificent team. I'll have to look into that because that's a little crazy. You're trying to go to Shade at Maloma. You guys have the same exact thing. It's auto generated.

Matt, he's good for comments like that. Like, that's just, that's Matt. You got to love him. You got to love him as it is. Have to. Have to love him. It's like a son. Like, you don't got to like him.

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shirt that Wilcomth holding up right now. Bus and Bull merch. Bus and bowl. Buston ball in the front. Awesome design on the back. Both teams on there.

If you watch... You got one if you just want it full, fully frontal. You want to stay naked in front of your mirror and rock this? Yeah. That's a good piece. I had that little mushroom

just kind of tipping right over the shirt because they're a little long. Have it just a just a tip of that boy going, hello, I'm here. Yeah, so 919, Wilcompton's birthday is the live show 920. We will be doing a tailgate,

A lot of people have already RSVP for that. That's very exciting. Buston Bull merch will just showed you. It's going to be a hell of a year. If you're wondering, hey, is Taylor worried? Is he nervous about the Bustle Bowl after Michigan's, we'll just call it upsetting defeat against the Oklahoma Sooners? You go back to Monday's episode and watch that. We address everything in that situation.

Yeah. And again, we tapped in with our partners at Fandul, Michigan. Favored at Nebraska still minus three and a half. If they were to play at a neutral site, Michigan would be fan. favored by six and a half. The over under on that right now, as it stands, 45 and a half points. Listen, I got a text earlier with the video of the halftime speech of Coach Rule. Against Akron.

I'm talking, buddy, get your piss hot. I'm talking, buddy, stick with me here. Buddy, listen to me. Buddy, look at me. Buddy, they might be on to something. I was going to say, he told me. I was going to say he took some motivation from your hype video maybe. Yeah, he shot me a personal text talking about.

It was a banger. Hype videos are back in Memorial. There are going to be spots this year that's not every home game. There's a lot on the boys just play. He did an incredible job putting that together. But there will be four or five games that I'm doing it. And the hype videos are back. And they got you juiced up for Akron, huh?

They thought, oh, we need comp. He's only doing a handful of these ones. His time is, he doesn't have a whole lot of time in his hands. Let's make sure that he gets Akron out there. You gotta kick off the home opener. You know what I mean? We're back in Memorial Stadium and like look at the result of the game.

I'm not saying it's my hype video but played a very small, very small part. Right. But a part nonetheless. Yeah. Question is Nebraska Corners win the National Championship

does we'll come and get a ring. Oh, I think without a doubt I need to get a ring. Like I'm not even going to sit here and plead for it. I'm thinking I am entitled to a national championship. I am in my brain.

I am on the team. If you, if the Nebraska Cornersers win the national championship, you are entitled to a ring. They do not send you a ring. They don't even contact you by a ring. How are you handling that? I don't even have to think about it because if we win the Natty,

number one, I'm going to be there, but everybody's going to be, hey, you come into the parade, or we got to get you here, we got to get you there. And it's like, whatever you guys need from me. Would they let you suit out for the Natty? You think they would let you suit out? Just suit up? Yeah.

Just wear the pads and stuff be on the sidelines? Yeah. I'm sure if I asked. Yeah. Yeah. Might have to do it. You can literally do. whatever you want.

He could do whatever he wants. Great relationship with the Huskers. You guys see the light show in the fourth quarter? Well, I don't know what's funny about that. That shit is incredible. Did they put 5-1 out there? They didn't put 5-1, but they kind of showed the pick of, they kind of showed the pick from the week before against Cincinnati,

him going up to get it. They got the black shirt logo. They got a lot of cool shit going on. I thought you were about to say they showed the pick from your Georgia game. I thought you were going to say the Holiday Bowl, too. Oh, we got to, so we're doing a new thing. I'm blessed with the boys. If you haven't seen it or heard it,

I'm going to tell you now as you're listening with your ears or watching with your eye, what you got? I was going to say, you should shout out our, this is our tier one. This is our guy. We got a shout him out. Caleb Ingram? For the first one. Caleb Ingram.

So what I was going to say before is, uh, the tier, we're doing tear talk. So during the football weekend, if there's a question concern or a comment, you'd like to make that you want the boys to address. Use hashtag tier talk and comments and, and, uh, your own specific tweet. we will find them with the hashtag and we will address all of your questions, comments, or concern.

This one comes from Caleb Ingram, Tier 1, Tier 1. Says the boys are crushing it right now. What's next? Outside of keeping the pod rolling, what's the next big goal that's going to really move the needle for y'all? Hashtag tier talk. Will.

Couldn't tell you. No idea. I think one thing that makes this show successful is we really don't know what we're doing. I think that's like one of the more beauties. We can have the meetings. We can do the brainstorms. We can get on the whiteboard all we want.

At the end of the day, opportunities come. Opportunities go. It depends on what door we decide to open. And to be clear, I like the doors we've opened so far. Yeah. I've enjoyed the doors we've been opening so far. No notes. It's more of like you get hit up for opportunities and we're just thinking like they think we can do that.

Get up. ESPN being one. It's like, they think we can be on TV. Yeah. Like that would be sick. Let's go fail with that. We get to go every Thursday. Yeah.

Like literally, buss with the boys just a failure. We're just failures. We just continue to fail forward. Yeah. That's what we do. Put them to sleep with the GPA. And then you come over the top of the ACT.

Come on. And then sprinkle in some CT. We're on our first professional conversation with ESPN and we're just asked, do we have to wear anything in particular? Yeah. And they're just like, wear whatever you want. One of the head execs from ESPN

heard that I was asking about, you know, is there a dress code? He texted me, no context, assless chaps. So, so. Got to say right now, I'm feeling pretty good about the partnership

with ESPN right now. I will be wearing true classic every single week except for next week. If you guys want to see what I'm going to wear next week, I'm sure we'll come to

to be wearing something matching. You will see it that Thursday. But this Thursday, the uniform you see in front of you is the uniform we're probably going to get. Caleb, for the people,

for the boys in the back, our goal is to get to three quarters of a million subscribers. Say, hang on, hang on, you know. So 750,000 subscribers.

I'm a lot more right now. The old guys is. It's in it from last year. It's all good. It's all good. Dave Lawan, put the choke on you. He cut off the gas line. It wasn't working too hot right there.

You, your goal for the end of this year. For the end of this year. Is to get 100,000 more subscribers. And we have a 750,000 total. I think we need 90. I'm pretty sure. We're almost at 660. Okay.

So we need 90. So for Mitch Carsley to be happy with Busson's productivity this year, we need to get 90,000 subscribers between now, September 8th. to January 1st. That's what I'm hearing. No, I'm just saying that's not for the year. I'm just saying for the next goal, like we're going to keep moving.

Like getting the 70, getting the three-quarters of a million subscribers. And then the goal after that will be a million. A million. What's the goal after that? We made it. 1.2. Oh, that's it.

After that, you shut it down. You get a mill. You get the cool gold play. A million. Like a million. We get a gold plaque up there. Dude, I'll tell you right now. It'll be a massive moment when we get that.

Because eventually, like, it might take 10 years. It might take three years. It might take, you know, one year. Eventually, we will have a million subscribers. And when that day comes, it's going to be one of the coolest feelings in the entire world. That's going to be so. We got to figure out a way to get one of those plaques for everybody. So, well, one for you and me at least.

But like, we got to. Not just getting that, having that plaque, like, it would be unbelievable. A millie party? A millie party. A milly party. I think so. Maybe a stream when we get to 990. We sit in the stream, we don't come out until we're at a million.

It's a good idea. Thank you. I'm full of them. Some social network. We should have callers on the stream. Callers, hotlines, hotlines, hotlines. Hotlines. Subscribe.

Right. Absolutely. Right. Where I get, like, I'm curious, too, like what the audience thinks because we have a lot of content that comes out, like, on our social channels or on our YouTube. Like, part of me is like, do we separate and put the locker room on its own channel? Just because we have so much, we have so much content that comes out. It's like, I'm like, I'm.

I don't know if some stuff gets lost in the sauce. And if you're on the homepage of YouTube, you have to scroll quite a ways to get to the locker room. There's a lot of extra bells and what I always do is I just hit videos and then you just go to the recent videos. But we got, you know, we got a long-form clips that come out. Yeah, there's a playlist for the locker rooms. But it's like with our football reaction show,

it's like that'll be on Monday, then busing on Tuesday. Wednesday's a locker room college football. Thursday is NFL's locker room. Friday is inside the bus. Friday's inside the bus. And you're missing your baby for the dads. Well,

that's on its own channel now. I'm talking more about the YouTube with all the stuff that kind of comes out on there. I just get curious, like what it does with the algorithms. If the audience sees it, if they're like, oh, damn, I didn't know that they were doing this. I didn't know if they were doing that. We do vlogs.

You got bus scenes. You got under the hood. We got our quick vlogs. Like, we just dropped the vlog of just our day at ESPN. It's like we have all that stuff coming out. So much stuff happened. So much stuff happened. You take from the episodes.

We got a lot of shit that comes out. We're having fun. We are. We're having a great time. That is one thing we're doing, boys, is we're having a good fucking time and it's only week two. It can only go up from here or go way down. Who knows?

Actually, there's a lot of ways you could go, but I'm having fun right now. Yeah. And that's what's cool. Speaking about having fun, I'm going to just take a little selfish time real quick. Oh, yeah. It has been three years since you guys hired me, so I wanted to say thank you. Today? Oh, wow.

Oh, wow. Oh, yeah, let's go. Oh, yeah. That's not selfish at all. That's fucking awesome. Yeah, I got like a, I like pictures and stuff. Like, so three years ago today, Will's when you called me and you texted me, this is Will Compton for a picture for reference.

But yeah. Oh, with the, uh, with the LinkedIn thing. But yeah, so it's been three years, best three years of my life. Thank you guys for let me be a part of this and bringing me on. I can't thank you guys enough. All right. One more from Mitch, dude. I have a question, Mitch.

If you can take the podium, where would you rank this for best decisions of your life? coming to be busing yeah busing probably number one what's number two probably moving to Charlotte what's number three is that the answer yeah probably going to my buddy's apartment that one day so I could meet my girlfriend in the elevator oh well's it's it before though Susquehanna six gonna have five here's what I'm trying to get at the yearly caroling making the decision to keep that dream alive every single year. Oh, it's your boys, man. Your boys.

Yeah. I mean, it's happening every year. Hey, listen, it's a choice every year. What excites me is you have so much life to live. Like, you haven't gotten married. You don't have kids. Like, these moments that I'll just, you know. Eventually, like, your decision or you're getting bust with the boys job will be

four or five. Buddy, getting married is going to be one. If you pick the right person, having your first kid, but you have your first kid. But, like, best to see. It's a fucking game changer. It's not, it's not like greatest things. in your like greatest days of your life but like best decision definitely like it would probably be moving to charlick to get to NASCAR to then have that on my resume to then get this job like

that's a great decision on my part there is a tier talk here that would be great since we're talking about Mitch and his girlfriend uh this comes from uh Chris C C Kriegs 88 tier talk boys help settle debate I had with friends last night on a first date if your date rips a fart at any point is it over then question mark it's all about the context in which the farthest brought out if you're having a good time you're laughing maybe a she goes into a big laugh has a toot come out i think that adds it's like oh this one's all right by me i kind of i kind of mess with that now if she's being a bit of a bee being a bit of a b word and then she like sneezes in a far comes then we're done all right you can't control yourself and you're being a b we got to get out of here those are

my first initial thoughts not doing a lot into it yeah i don't think i'd ever i'd just never like be like oh this is over now however if somebody ripped a fart on the first day like i'd be a little oh is that what we're doing yeah yeah yeah oh shit we're already there yeah yeah and now of all people yeah exactly yeah exactly exactly yes listen double standard double standard right man's world yeah but you're not doing that will still lives in the 50s and 60s you're not doing that on your first day with a girl though you're not gonna be no no no i'm not i didn't get comfortable ripping a fart until really i was like uh Married Macharo.

But all my boys, it's like, you know, everybody's got the wooded in front of you type of thing. Fair. Fair. I think it's all about context when it comes to the two. Like to me, I never want to believe that girls poop. Still don't. Yeah. Still don't.

And with that, we're done. Well, there's a couple more tier talks here. We got one from Aaron Arana. It's Aaron underscore Arana. He says, they say, not sure. What are your top five non-negotiable health habits or biohack? that the lay person should implement into their daily lives hashtag

tier talk off the top of my head you gotta find a coffee shop that have great ice lattes um you gotta have at least one evening a night to where you're gooning and playing video games with the boys

what else Taylor fell out the rest I think if you need to. Stay hydrated. Liquid IV. Liquid IV. I think if you need to, don't need to, but maybe it would help if you're having a little, maybe a writer's block or a creativity block, get high. Have a couple hoots. Just a little bang, just a touch banged up, right? I don't know. I'm feeling I'm in a bit of a fog right now. Go ahead and sit with yourself for a little bit. Change a couple channels. Get after it. Sit down there. The weather's starting to break right now. It's beautiful. We got packages being

delivered those are I think those are for the soul yeah make sure you get a hotel room at least once a month to just have time with yourself and tug it out a little bit yeah okay nothing better than a hotel beat nothing better than a hotel beat nothing better than hotel beat but as far as like the biohacking things that like are actually in help you can't beat sleep can't can't beat water and then if you get a chance every morning get out put your feet on the ground put your feet on the ground get yourself a little grounding some direct sunlight I think those three things it's going to charge up your day having a morning routine sets the tone for the entire day hell sometimes the week strength training yeah moving some weight tell them back stretches back stretches yeah for myself that's a that's a

non-negotiable right now um but yeah what does it get some sunlight i tell you what a little fun fact about i've already said you get a hotel room once a month just to get a time insurance back there going tell him the tug it we knocked that one out fun fact about sleep is your stages of sleep to go through an entire cycle it's uh takes 90 minutes so one cycle let me get this right here times five a night what's that number one cycle times five a night that's 90 times five yep that's 45 so it'd be 450 minutes yeah so seven and a half hours of sleep you can get seven and a half hours asleep ac t dogs seven days a week that's a winner right there You think of it.

I was reading this book. I read it when I was on the tightest. It's called, the book is called sleep. But instead of like everybody gets very, uh, their anxiety will pick up if they don't hit whatever their expectations are in like a one day cycle, zooming out and making it more like a week cycle. So in cycles of sleep, like I said, at one cycle is a full 90 minutes. You think of it in terms of I need to hit, uh, 35 cycles a week with sleep. So that way there might be a night door.

You have only six hours. There might be another day where you sleep in, you get nine hours. But 35 cycles of sleep in a week if we're just going off of sleep. Because sleep is the big one. Sleep is the big dog. Sleep, hydration. What is it with our boy, Breka? Some hydration, some sunlight, step on the grass.

Superhuman protocol. Laugh a little bit. Laugh. Have a joke or two. Decide today's going to be a great day. Right. Look at the mirror at night and say, I cannot wait to see what's going to happen to me tomorrow. Nobody's.

What's that? No bad days. No bad days. No bad days. That's eight right there. That's eight. That's eight. You're welcome. Gratitude at nighttime. When you're saying, hey, you're the man. You're going to knock this out of the park tomorrow. Say a couple of things you're grateful for. I'll tell you what. Actually, this is a true story. Last night was a full moon. Very deep full moon. You walk outside. It almost feel like there's lights on. During full moons, a lot of energy shifts happen. My wife and I took out three pieces of paper. What are you giving up? What are you taking in? And what are you grateful for? We rode those things down and we burned them and threw them in the fireplace. Reset the energy.

None of your fucking business. I'm not giving up nothing, dude. And none of your fucking business. I'm not giving up nothing, dude. It's 10 toes down. What are you going to do, therapy? What are you going to do? None of your fucking business, man.

Yeah, yeah. So anyway, it's all about having gratitude. Shut the fuck up, bitch. Matthew Santino at Salty Loads. Thank you for writing in, Matt. Thank you. Salty loads. I didn't even notice it.

Are empignitas, a sneaky elite game day food. Hashtag teartan. I don't think there's anything sneaky about empignitas. What are the empaniadas? Well, confidence. One of the empenniana. Think of it as a Mexican calzone. But they're mini, right?

Little mini boys. You have a little piece of dough. It's wrapped over. You get your meat, your cheese, your vegetables, those types of things in there. It's a Mexican calzone. Mini. Sure.

I like impanadas. Think of a hot pocket, but way better. That's an impanata. Yeah, I love emma. At the farmer's market, they got that little impanata stand. Yeah, they do. There's a bunch of variety of them.

I like them. I like empaniadas. Are they sneaky good food? Sure. Tailgate food. Sneaky good tailgate. Ooh. I think that's a nice surprise.

If somebody bring, hey, what are those? You get a Bontar, Missouri boy, Waco. Hey, what are those? Any calzons? Oh, what's an epiata? Oh, what's an epiata?

It's like a Mexican calzone. Are they minis? Yeah. No, man, they're regular size. The Calzone, it'd be a lot better if they're minis. Calzones are like this. That looks smaller. So mini calzone?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, it's a mini, yeah. It's a mini calzone. Where are you from? Bontea, Missouri. Checks out. Good to meet you. Taylor.

Yeah. Dude, fucking salty loads are so funny. He got me too. I read it like an idiot. Should we kick off the interview? Kick off the interview. Get in an end. Domic and Sue.

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You're just a less tan brother. Yeah, less tan brother. Fourth and the Heism voted, 2009 AP Player of the Year award, 2009 Big 12 defensive player of the year, Bronco Nogerski Award, Chuck Benarick Award, Consensus All-American, John Outland Trophy, Vince Lombardi Award, NFL rookie of the year, what, five-time, all pro, five-time pro bowler. Appreciate the flowers, man. Appreciate it, fellas. Got you on the bus.

Finally got me on the bus. Glad to have you. It's really only Taylor got me on the bus. Oh, that's true. However we got it. I know I've been working on you for years. It has been a bit of a deal. And you guys tweeted back and forth a little bit, right?

That's how... We've tweeted, we've texted. We've probably been on a call together. And he's just... It's the politest way as a businessman that I know him to be. When he talks about his time, I can't... I won't be able to make it out. It's just the nicest way of saying no.

And I just think to myself, persevere. We'll run this back. We'll run this back. I never told you, no. I said, we got to find the right time. Got to be strategic. Find the right place, right location. And you got me to your hometown.

I'm fired up, man. Yes. I am fired up. Where should we? Let's start from the beginning. Let's do it. 10 pounds coming out in the hospital. Yeah, pretty close.

Yeah. Mom was, I think I was like 10-6 or something like that, so I was in the small baby. So it was, I mean, a blessing in disguise in a lot of ways to be born big. But I'm trying to cut weight now, being retired. So I'm down probably like almost 30 pounds. What are you sitting at right now? 295. So you play in that 320 range?

Towards the end of my career, yeah. Just have a little extra girth. But I think in my prime prime, I was between, it just depend. Like, because some years I was 2.95, I really didn't like it dealing with double teams with you. Like, you guys catch that hip. And I was like, nah, I can't do that. So I probably say my sweet spot when I was playing 305, 310. And then a little later on, like, especially when I was in LA, I was a little heavier at 315. And then shit, you guys know, you get late in the season, you start gaining weight. So that's how it goes. Holiday season. Holiday season. As soon as Thanksgiving rolls around, you can kind of say goodbye to the diet and the routine. It's so hard to keep up. Yeah. What kind of things are you doing that maybe someone's listening to right now be like,

I need to lose weight. What is endemic and Sue doing to lose weight? Man, as the older you get, the harder and harder it gets to lose weight. So for me, it's all about nutrition. I mean, my nutrition is actually down the road here in Tennessee. So I talk to him pretty much every single day, just about what I'm eating, what I'm focusing on, huge on walks. I mean, I walked all around Nashville this morning.

I loved every bit of it. Got about almost four or five miles in. And then still in the wait room, man. Still important to get them weights lifting. I should have came over here. I saw your guys' new set. You see it? But I didn't get no invite.

So I would have lifted. You may not have enough weights, but well, I would have managed. Bro, how was retired life? I mean, it's good. I get more time with the family, my boys, and that's really the reason the last two years I didn't go back. Because I had opportunities to go back for a couple of teams.

one of them was in the Super Bowl two years ago that we were super close on. I mean, one of my favorite D-line coaches was there, wanted me to come back and play. Really good GM that I enjoyed and have had talked to them over the decades to be able to hopefully go play for the team, but didn't work out. And then last year, had a couple options, but just wasn't right. Yeah. What would have made the situation right? I mean, always the money. I'm always about understanding what it is, but money is not everything. I think that really was being able to be with a situation. I've always wished to have two rings, just so my boys don't have to share. I got twin boys that are four.

So that was the ultimate goal, and that's one of the reasons why I went back to Philly. Like, I didn't get paid crazy money to go play in Philly in my last year, but we got to the Super Bowl. And I saw that trajectory, and I got to be a part of that success. Like, I was just was Fletch the other day and, like, building relationships. with him you always admire guys from afar but like building a relationship within six months of each other now it's long-lasting relationship so ultimately it's about winning a championship that's what i wanted to do money was cool but uh i was one of the highest paid players ever so uh i've i've reached that that thrown plenty of times yeah i hear you on having the two rings i had two girls i didn't have any

boys so i decided i want a super bowl at all i was just going to dip on that dude when you want like when i'm at michigan you i'm watching you in detroit this is when yeah you're you're You're a menace. And I mean that as the biggest compliment ever. I appreciate that. I'm watching, I'm watching college film on guys I'm going to play against. Yeah.

And then I'll see a couple of clips of you just tormenting offensive alignment. Like, well, thank God I'm not there yet. Right. I get to focus. But then as I start to learn about you, I've played against you a few times, always a handful. Will starts talking about you from a business standpoint. Yeah. How like you're a guy that is always focused on the what's next.

Yeah. When did you realize that like football is not going to last forever? Because as Will was reading off all the things and telling the story. and telling the stories about you being in Nebraska. Yeah. You could be just any guy that just sits there and be like, I'm going to play football and I'm going to make $100 plus million and then dip. You wanted to take a further step.

What was the thing for you that changed that? First and foremost, I'm super ambitious. And I've got mentors and really one of my main mentors I was just with. I'm going to drop a little gym. But like I was up in the Hamptons this past weekend. And just sitting with those guys, like they have this massive venture fund. They just raised 500 million. I'm going to get a potential opportunity to get into some special deals in the AI space with them.

That is like super oversubscribed. And just having that access in those different things. It's like they're always pressing on me and challenging me to like level up. Continue to level up. Don't put yourself in this box just because you're an athlete and because you had a successful career. Don't let that be your end all be on. That's always striven. upon that and also looking at it from a perspective of my mom's a teacher my dad was an engineer like

i went to school for engineering like i want to be more than an athlete and that's a common saying but there's actually a lot of truth behind it and i knew early on in my career and from having obviously a mother as a teacher dad's engineer that ultimately like i never wanted to be defined and put it be put in that box so how do i strive and continue to be more successful off the field than i was on the field and those are the things that i focused on and the determination that that dialing in was just kind of my thing that I enjoyed. And then like, you guys saw, I lit up when we, when I'm looking at your guys this facility, I asked Will, please tell me you own this.

And he's like, nah, bro, we re-rent this. I'm like, what? We've been trying to own a minute. Absolutely not. You guys got a machine over here. Let's go. Like, I'm going to be your developer. You're going to lease for me.

I'm going to throw you some, some ownership. So we're tied at the hip and let's go. So you did pull out your phone. You turned that thing sideways. You're showing this. All the building guys. I said, you get this done at six months. no problem.

Yeah. You really put it out there. I just got to figure out the, how the zoning codes work down here in Tennessee. Other than that, but I mean, let's go. I love it.

I mean, I'm in. Yeah. How do you find yourself? Obviously, you've gained access through successes in football. Yeah, for sure. How did you,

when you meet these people with the first time? Yeah. Make a lasting impression to where they want to keep coming back to you. Because I think that's what athletes don't realize, like playing in the NFL, you're going to have the opportunity to meet a lot of people, whether they're fans of the teams you play for, or they're just around and you just, you know, people with money usually are around people with money.

And they like, they don't realize the type of opportunity that they actually have when they have the shield on their chest. I think just to go a step further too, if there was any preparation that you did individually that was involved before just walking into these rooms. Yeah. So the crazy thing is it's the simple things that go the farthest. Just like you meet somebody in like old school days to give you a card, all you do is follow up and send them an email. like or send them a text if you exchange numbers or whatever it is that simple stuff triggers something into the brand oh this person's serious I'm going to take a liking to them they actually want to learn and if you really understand it people love to tell you about their success they love to they'll show you that map I just showed you a map of how

to go be successful own your own your own building like it's fun it's interesting and that's their craft and they like sharing those different things so now you have the opportunity because hey you're a big star whether you're in college you're pro or whatever it may be, take that advantage. But then when you walk through that door, make sure you start to educate yourself of how to talk to talk and walk to walk at the end of the day. And people will take their time to teach you how to do that if you don't know, if you just ask for help. My mom always told me there's no dumb question. Just ask. Yeah. I've always admired how you balance both business and football. Yeah. And a topic that's always kind of talked about, you, you listen to like, Uber successful people. And they

talk about don't have a plan B because it'll take focus away from plan A. Did you ever struggle with that balance while you're trying to do both? Or did you just in your mind, it's like, I understand that. I know how to commit to plan A, but also I know that this isn't going to last for it. It's a great question. And I just talked about this the other day on my podcast from a standpoint of Caleb Williams with the Chicago Bears. I think for me personally, if you have the capacity and you have to know this as yourself as a human being, if you have the capacity, be able to do more than one thing, but also there's, there's tears to it. So football was number one for the last 13, 15 years or whatever it was. But I created a structure of like, I'm taking care of my stuff

top of the morning and then I can start to learn and be curious other elsewhere. But also people don't realize that when I'm, I'm that much more sharper in football, when I have the opportunity to go and immerse myself in other areas because I buttoned it up, I've zeroed in what I need to do for football, how to study, do all those different things. I can go away and I come back even sharper. So that works, that worked for me. Not everybody has a capacity to do that. A lot of guys can only focus on. I mean, we know in the locker room, there's some guys that are on the struggle bus. And they really, really got to focus in. Like, they need all seven days, even like the last five minutes before you get into that meeting or get into that game.

They still need to keep studying. Like I've had some guys like, hey, man, what are we supposed to do on this play? Buddy, man, we went over this 50 times in the meeting room. I still got you. just go straight. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And especially if you're playing defense, it's so reactive. Yeah. You guys got it easy, man. It's crazy.

It's crazy how not smart you have to be to play defense. It's really just athletic. You guys know the play every time. We react the entire time. But I have to react to you reacting. You're reacting. They have to look at the safeties and see with the linebackers. Then he says, Abel or Baker.

I'm like, okay, he's blitzing. Is this guy going to go inside? What's happening now? It's a game. You guys wouldn't understand. You might understand. You might understand. you played

offensive line in the under or the All-American Army game. Before that, you talked about capacity. Yeah. I want to break that

down a little bit more because obviously someone being able to understand themselves and understand what they're capable of doing and not capable of doing, it's easier said than done.

Yeah. And we've seen in the locker room. We see guys all the time that think they have all the capability in the world, but then what the film shows this is way different. Yeah.

So somebody who doesn't have the capacity to have the structure that you're talking about, what are some steps that they can take to be successful and put themselves in a ring where they're now making that passive income. There's the generic stuff of having, you know, a financial advisor and stuff like that. What are little tips? I would say, honestly, and it may not capacity may be the wrong word. I think the right word is understanding how they learn. And this is where the psychology side of things

comes in. And as a head coach, I learned this from Jim Caldwell. Being a head coach and seeing him operate within three to six months to be able to take our team to where we got to in 2014 was, he had the psychology background of breaking down every single guy and learning how, understanding how they learn. So if you understand how you learn and how you can structure yourself, that'll allow your capacity start to get wider and wider and wider because you know, I have to do these things. So I'm in order to be successful in this space, then I can start being curious in other spaces. So understanding how you learn and how you function, I think is a big part of it as well.

What would your routine be like on a Wednesday compared to a Friday? while you were playing. Early on my career or later on in my career? I would say when you're starting to figure out your capacity and how you learn and everything else, like when you are operating or when I am talking to Levanti, I'm like, hey, what's, how Sue out in Tampa? And he's like, man, he'll be on a business call in between,

like after practice before meetings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was like mid, mid in my, middle of my career towards the end. What I would say for me, if I understand your question correctly, is like at that time I had a routine. So I'm in the facility 6 a.m. getting my workout in. Most guys are working out either like right before practice or right after practice or they do half their lift before practice and then do the legs after practice.

I'm done with my workout. I got that out of the way. I tuned in for an hour and a half, two hours or whatever it was. Go to practice, go through meetings. I watch my film. Like coaches are going to watch film. Like I've already watched film. That's over and done with.

So when coach knows like in coach. He loves me, but hates me. Because he'll be in meetings and be like, hey, man, I got to ask you a question. And I was like, coach, I got you. But you know, man, I'm over here writing emails. Leave me the fuck home. So you'll already have all your films. When you're established, you've done your part of I'm prepped.

I've watched film. I know what coach is going to go over. But when we're in the position meeting itself, you got to get a few other things done because the main focus isn't like I've handled all my business. Yeah, exactly. And we had that understanding with each other. early on to where it's like he knows I'm going to be on point but there's times I knew he's going to call you would say my name like hey pay attention real quick give me five minutes of your

time and then we're going to talk about this as a group so everybody realizes you're still a part of the meeting and then you can go back to doing what you need to do so you'd be sitting in the back you'd be oh yeah Casey's right here I'm right in the back right corner with him Vita's up in the front all the other dudes in front like I got my laptop turned like I'm good to go business emails they're in position yeah yeah oh that's a different level now It sounds like it was different earlier in your career. Was there a hard conversation or a moment to where you're like, hey, I need to button my shit up or I need to, I'm not taking as serious as I feel like I want to be taking this serious? So the person that kind of put me on my toes with that was Kyle Vannebosch.

So my rookie year and probably my second year being with Kyle in the same D-Line room, he really taught me how to take notes and be detail-oriented. And so like where I'm super locked in is like those first two hours of meetings before we go to practice where we're doing install and we're doing those different things. But I started cheating. I was like, coach, give me the install the night before. So I can go through everything. And I'll come in early and ask you a couple of questions of what I didn't understand or I needed more clarification. And then I speed up the process. So now I'm understanding how I learn and how I figure out things faster so I can get it out of the way and I can be prepared.

So I just go out to practice. Plus, well, we do two, three different walk. throughs. Like, if you don't understand, we're about to install, walk through what we just install, then practice. We just went through it three times. Do a walkthrough before that practice. Yeah, we just did it three times. If you can't pick it up in that time frame, we've got bigger problems. Yeah. Which I feel like it rears its head a lot of times in the locker rooms. Yes. There are a lot of guys that are like that. And when you're somebody who's on your shit, you're just like, how in the fuck is this so hard? What do you mean? I'm saying like when you, when you

haven't figured out and dialed in and if so-and-so doesn't have to figure it out by the second or third walkthrough and you're just like how do you not fucking get what we're doing at this most simplistic things now your rookie year is a whole different ball game oh yeah your head's trying to figure out everything and everything seems like so big once again massive office of playbook so we're joe you start to realize but you were a tackle bro yeah yeah yeah you ain't have you ain't have too much he wasn't a center he wasn't a center making calls yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah You were talking to the center, like that would make sense.

Buddy, I knew my shit. Yeah. Double down, go to the next level. Double down is not a term. You know, block down, double team go to the next level. Double down is not a term. The worst thing you got to worry about. The worst thing you got to worry about is a slide going away from you.

You're just one and one. Taylor, he's got it easy though because he's coming behind me. Yeah. Where's the ball? Where's the ball? You're sitting there dropping that knee. He's got three cats on them and figure it out. I'll go get the tab.

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No doubt. No doubt. But he definitely came. I would say hard worker definitely was out there at special teams, riling up the troops, running down the field full speed. But when he was playing, I'll give him credit. He was loud and he made himself known, which I respect. And that's what I asked from every single linebacker I play with.

You have to be dominant. Even if you make the wrong call, well, guess what? It doesn't matter what defense we're in. Just call the defense, let's go, and we're just going to wreck havoc because I don't care what calls y'all got on offense. If I'm running up through the middle of it, you can't do anything. Yeah. If you're running up through the middle of you.

Being loud demonstrative was all. It was like a learning curve. It takes confidence. Yeah, if you have, it takes confidence. If you remember, too, like there was,

there was always a dust up with the real deal, Phil Dill. Oh, yeah, yeah, using the doghouse for a little bit. There was like a weird, musical chairs going on.

So as a freshman, too, like there's a sense of like, you know, you just don't have that confidence. Like, you got the senior that's operating. Right.

Because Phil's ahead of me. We came in our, this is like, that's class of Nebraska that came in. the last 10 years. We all come together. Then there's this young group that comes behind us.

Will. Sean Fisher. Yeah, Sean Fisher. All these young guys that are coming on. And they actually can play. So they're like chipping at the biting at the heels. Like we're about to get on this field. Especially it's not just special teams.

So also seeing that like there's also that competition versus it saying, nah, this can be additive. You can come in special packages and do these different things because Will could run. So he could do different things and whatnot. Back in the day. Yeah, back of the day. That is the first time someone sat in this podcast and said that without laughing. It's like, yeah.

You can't tell now. You can't tell now. You actually have a little subject to him. Yeah, yeah. But you're right, though. You're right, though. And then you have just that, the competitive dynamic. And again, just being young, it was, uh, and you were part of such a, you guys were

dominant as hell in the deal. You're looking around. And you got, you got Sue, you got Steincooter, Cric. Barry Turner, Crick. You got all these horses like in the huddle. I remember one. One time too, like I was telling the story not too long ago, but that big 12 championship game, like the couple snaps I did get in.

We had them backed up on the goal line. You were obviously trying to get, we were trying to get a safety. One time I think I called like Miami or something like that. Sue like turns back of me. He's like, hey, I'm going the A guy. If you go to the B and I'm just sitting like, oh, okay. See, but people don't know. Coach Carl was the best.

Like so the year before my senior year or my last year in Nebraska, Coach Carl and I sat down in his office for like almost two weeks. He broke down every single piece of the playbook to me. And I told him, all right, coach, I know where guys fit and how things work now. I'm going to start cheating, like crazy cheating. He's like, all right, cool. You can do that.

But I'm going to dog cuss you out in front of everybody if you don't make a play. It's like bet. That was our inside rule of like, hey, man, you can do whatever. you want to but if you make a mistake and you don't make a play I'm gonna dog cuss you out in front of everybody so I would just will take my spot I'm taking yours and I just be able to make plays that's how like in the Missouri game I got the interception I just dropped by I felt something so I could just play with my instincts but I knew I could have guys cover up for me yeah knowing where things were at so

was the game where the lights went out at half time yeah everybody's got their phones out all the lights went out in the locker room at half time yeah and everybody just got their flashlights on their phone as we're trying to to make adjustments and get snacks and everything else. It was a wild game. And Sue did have one of his, how many picks did you have that year? I think I only had two that year. The Colorado game.

Yep, Colorado. V-Tech, when Bo was losing his mind on you saying like, I get him out, Carl. Carl's like, I need him. For sure. They definitely went at each other for sure. I definitely put Carl in some bad situations because I was trying to go make plays. You guys were bringing in that Bay 12 championship game. You versus Texas.

That's the game. There was one second left. They put one second left back on the clock. They put one second back back on the clock. Can you break that down for me a little bit? What happened? We'll have talked about it a little bit, but I want to hear it from you. They weren't allowed to do that back then, by the way.

We were all, everybody knew we were on our way out. We're going to be out like either after that year or the next year going to the Big Ten. And we feel like there was some. I personally feel like there was some Luminati higher up. Oh, you did something. We can't. We can't let the hustlers. Some of that oil money.

We can't let the husters. Upstairs and we can't do that. We're going to the Big Ten now. Yeah. But it was crazy, though, because, I mean, I had the most excitement in that game. Again, we had everything we knew about what Texas wanted to do. O line was dog, dog water. Yeah.

Straight dog water. And I knew we could dominate against them. It was just a matter of us. Can our offense put up some points? And defense was like, man, man, we might have. to score ourselves a couple of times. But going back to that play in that last second, I am like on my horse as hard and as fast as I can as Colt McCoy is rolling out. And I'm trying to make sure that he is obliterated into the stance. And I think I almost hit him into

bow. And I know that in the back of my head, the clock is like super, super low. He can't just, I can't let him get a clean throw off because he's going to find somebody down field. And I know they're trying to get this field goal and whatnot. And I turn around. And I turn around. and I hop up and I look at the scoreboard, it's zero. We are champions. We storm. We're sprinting on the field. Everybody's elated.

Like crazy excitement. Then all of a sudden, both start spazzing out. Like, what do you mean there's a second left on the clock? All these different things. And it's like, all right, man, calm down. They still got to make this joint. And it's like 50 yards. So like, hey, man, we're going to line up

and we're trying to run through these guys' faces and block this kick. But we couldn't get there. And for whatever reason, they felt like they deserved a second on the clock. But it was what it was. It was weird. I'm jumping me.

So Whaley, we're jumping up and down. We win the Big 12. Heartbreak Hotel. Oh, yeah. And you were feasting on that offensive line? Man, it was. Pier Al. going off in the locker room after the game.

Oh, yeah. Crazy. Yeah, I can't imagine that. Young Pete, man, I just saw the other day when it was in Nebraska. Oh, for real? Yeah, he's doing well. What is your relationship like with Nebraska now? Because I know when we went there before all the renovations, it was the Nidabak and Sue wait room.

House of Spears. How involved are you with the program? I would say I'm not that involved. I just met Rule a couple times. What I did appreciate, he called me right when he got the job, which is super nice. we're connected because of some people in Temple and whatnot. And I think he's the right coach for the organization. I'd say this.

I'd love to be more involved. I'm behind the scenes supportive of a family, especially the quarterback in Dom, Riala being my big brother at Nebraska, or not at Nebraska, in Detroit, and him taking care of me there. So obviously, want to see the success of his son and Dylan, as well as a young one coming after him.

So ultimately, I think they've got the right structure. It's going to be recruiting, of course, which NIO is absolutely crazy, as we all know now. So it'll be interesting, man. I want to be able to have bragging rights. Yeah. So hopefully they can turn around the tide and see what happens. I still got the wait room. I took my kids back.

I was just inducted in the Nebraska Hall of Fame, which was nice. What's going to be? Let's go with that. That's awesome. So we'll see. We'll see how things kind of evolve now that I'm retired. but I'm more busy now than I was when I wasn't playing. Yeah, we'll see.

The short time we were talking to each other before we got on the bus, you're showing those emails and all that stuff. Like you are, are motoring. What about Nebraska was like this, I'm assuming you're a massive recruit. Were you a four-five-star guy? I was a four-star guy. I wasn't coined.

So you talk about having to play on both offense and defense. It's crazy. I went to the U.S. Army All-American game, and there was the top. five defensive tackles there and I was a six and they were like, uh, there's not really a lot of room and we have some injuries on offense. Can you go play offense? I don't care. I'll block these dudes. So I played most of the time actually during that game on the office of line. How'd you like it? It was cool. I mean, I held my own. So do you think you could have,

uh, could have made it if you played offensive one? Oh, no question. Really? Yeah. I mean, I, I joked all the time, especially in Tampa. And there's been some other coaches like Coach Stout that's up in Philly. Hey man, when I retire, I might come, come back and play offensive line. I can eat everything in the house and chill and just hold on to guys. Yeah, calling misconception.

The common misconception about the office of line. We've got to sit there and hold on to guys. When I retire, so much technique involved with the offensive line. And you're talking about NIL money. Hold on. I want to know why he went to Nebraska. Because you're in the Army All-American, you're in that, Who were your top schools that were recruiting you the heaviest?

And what were you like your top five-ish? My top five, I took five visits. So University of Miami, Oregon State, Mississippi State, University of Cal. And then there was one other. I'm drawing a blank on it right now. But I actually committed to Mississippi State. My sister went to school there.

And there was a guy named John Blake that was there before he left and went to Nebraska with Calian. So really John Blake was the one who recruited me and got me to go to Nebraska outside of me knowing it's a great program and rich history and stuff like that. So that was the reason why I went to Nebraska because of John Blake and I could play early and we had a great recruiting class. So I wanted to be a part of something special to turn that tie because they had sucked for shoot since 97.

Yeah. For a while, almost two decades. Yeah, they're a life sport for a little bit. Had a blip. They're coming back now. Yeah. Made the first bowl games since 2015. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Boys are back. Yeah, we're coming. We're coming. All right, go with the NIL. You mentioned NIL earlier. Yeah. You were somebody that was also a projected first-round draft pick after junior year. Mm-hmm.

Coming back to Nebraska for your senior year. Yeah. The talk to the team was that was like, you know, you sat down with Coach Bo and everybody else, and they talked to you in coming back. Yeah. Was there any, how do I say this, NIL money involved to you coming back your senior year? Let me just ask a question No, there wasn't

But there was a stern conversation With Coach Bo And Coach Bo, I don't remember I got a What was his name? LSUD tackle Can you move the mic up a little bit? There you go

LSD tackle I'm drawing a blank on his name Was it Dorsey? Yeah, Glenn Dorsey So Glenn Dorsey LSD tackle that was there with Coach Bo when they won the championship

He was like, man, you're better than him And I think he was a top five or top 10 pick. And he was like, if you have the ability to stay one more year, I'm willing to bet you'll be in the top three. I was, all right, cool. And I was projected, I think, like 18 or 19 and to come out in or late first round. Let's just say that. And so I said, all right, I'll come back.

I don't, my, it sucks. It's 2008. the world's on the dumpster fire like nothing special my dad's self-employed my mom's a teacher so she's cool and whatnot but i'd love to to come out and obviously be able to change my family from that standpoint but i think it was one of the best decisions i ever made uh from that standpoint and so for me one more year and i was pretty much done with school so going into my senior year i only had one class i had one class in the in the lab so it was like i was already pro i just had to just chill and do whatever i wanted from that standpoint and play football so

There was no NIL money. I wish there was. Was it that simple for Coach Bo to compare and you thinking 18 or 19? You know what I mean? It's like 18 and that's back. You were still part of that old CBA. Yeah. But that's still a shitload of money.

18 and 19 in the first round compared to like, all right, I'll come back with another year. You think it's really going to jump up. Yeah. Obviously it works out, but it was as simple as a conversation like that to compare you to Glenn Dorsey. Yeah. It was simple. I mean, like waiting one more year and I, and got a Lloydton London policy, so God forbid, anything crazy happened.

All right, I got a lot of the London policy if I got hurt. And then that was your policy? If I remember, it's like 20 or 25 million. I was three. Yeah. I was that old CBA because, you know, your boy actually had the opportunity to leave his junior year as well. My time did not go down. I did too, but my projection was first round.

And I decided to come back, but I was on the coolade of I thought we were going to win a eight 10 championship. We didn't go in six and six. Yeah. We didn't have the talent. We didn't have the talent to get it done. But I really thought in my head. Yeah.

Because I wasn't a big broad thinker. I was, I was very zoomed in. I was like, bro, we could win it all off my leadership. I love the confidence. Dude,

I really thought we were going to do it, man. But yeah, there had to be a couple of games. Like, I'm sure, like, once you make the decision, or I'm going to come back, I'm going to take my name out of,

like, the draft pool, essentially. The fear of, If you get hurt, you have this Lloyd's in London policy. It's going to give you $25 million. But now it's like, well, what about legacy? What about all these things? Was there a fear or doubt going into your senior year?

No, not really because I mean, I'd already gone through injury. Like 2007, eight or no, 2008 going into, yeah, going into the 2008 season, I'd torn my ACL. And so I was like, worst case, I get hurt again. Like I bounced back and I had a great year coming off the ACL. Like Mark Meyer to. You had a crazy recover. Great care of me. Like I got, I tore my ACL March 10th of 2008.

I was back for camp. Like, like, he would only let me practice one of days. So, all right, great. That's even better. I don't have to go through two days. And like, I owe Mark so much. I still talk to him all the time, just as just a close friend. But if I get hurt again and I got to go through the same process, like, who cares?

Like, so I really wasn't scared of it from that perspective. and I came off at one of my best year in college to then back it up with another great year to top that as going into the draft. So for me, the mindset was just go out there and bowl, have fun. So you tore your ACL in March and we're practicing at the end of July, four months. Yeah, yeah.

I owe a lot of credit to Mark Meyer, man. He was like one of the best. And I didn't even realize like everything that he was teaching me. He was on my butt. Like, man, I'm going to get you prepared. Got his little notepad. Yeah. And like I remember, I think they're called Russians, like, are like these things where he

would hang my knee off the back of the table to get a range of motion. And I would look at him with the most meanest look like death stairs. Like, I want to kill you right now because this hurts. But like it got me back so fast and like all his stuff that he had done. Like, I own a lot for that. And is this like pre-BFR and all those like things like stuff? Yeah, yeah. So you're doing it the old school way.

Old school way. old school way. God damn, that's awesome. So. That is impressive. Four months is pisses me off. Yeah.

I'm five years removed. I'm still hurting, I'm still not recovering. I will say whenever, whenever Taylor tore his the first time, it was in the middle of the season, right? It was October 2020. October 2020.

And we were training with Dobb in the summertime. Yeah. He got out of Dave, by the way. Yeah, coach Dawson. He's awesome. He's awesome. And I remember Dawson telling Taylor, he's like,

called me. What was it? November. December, January. Like, if we go to the Super Bowl or something, he's like, I'm just letting you know, Sue was able to get back in four months. Yeah, that was like Taylor's motivator.

Yeah. And I think, I think month two, I was like, this is not happening. See, but a lot of people don't realize it's like, obviously got to have a good surgeon first and foremost, but then two, the rehab. You can't be afraid to push yourself.

And that's where I think a lot of people in that first, like month, month and a half they're like super scared like timid and whatnot like really after you get the green light that the graft is good like really really push like that's how you come back majority of time it's do anything it's everything pain free once there's a little pain everybody everybody but even a little bit of pain is okay like it's just like understanding your pain tolerance and what's the difference between again being hurt and injured like there's a big difference between that yeah i have a little pain like I'm hurt a little bit versus being actually injured and whatnot so yeah the uh because the

process of the Patel attendant becoming an ACL goes through like this cocoon process is metamorphous process between weeks 12 and 18 and that's when your graft is the most vulnerable yeah and you have to be like really cautious in those like that six week period yeah but then after that you can you can't push a little bit but i was i mean i don't know how you did in four in four months i literally was doing like two rehabs a day like one was more like physical the other one was more like taking care of a little TLC and like had it up

literally did not focus on anything else but my ACL yeah and I mean that first game back tough sled dude so you get drafted third overall by the Lions third? Come on man second wow I'm so sorry for disrespecting you

second overall by the Lions what is your initial thought when you get the lines. There's a lines we look at now in 2025. Like, holy shit, what a franchise. Campbell's out those boys going. You're a part of a terrible franchise at this point. Yeah. And it's like, I'm sure there's a level of excitement because you're the second overall

pick. Who was the first? That was, um, Oklahoma. Yeah, Sam Bradford. Sam Bradford. Who I sacked, by the way. Hit him one of them. I was hot. Who I sag by the way.

Hot. But the thing is, I was told like right, maybe like two weeks before the draft, because I took a visit St. Louis and I just had an eerie feeling like man, these do things for an armpin to pick me number one and like being competitive. Detroit, great visit. Gunther Cunningham loved me and really kind of had the main decision making power from that standpoint as he had like the old statesman there. And then I went to Tampa and Tampa was like, man, we love you.

We're going to come get you. We got 12 picks. We're going to throw the house at Detroit and come get you. I'm like perfect. And they called me right before the draft was, uh, and they were like, would you drop? And I was like, no, but you can come get me like we talked about. And I didn't know they knew that Detroit wasn't going to let me get past two. And then they had insight because Schwartz and all those guys with Jeff Fisher, they're all friends.

So they knew they're taking San Bradford. So they knew they were going to be able to get me and they didn't have to do anything. So lo and behold, I get drafted by Detroit and I was actually pissed off. And it was because, like, I was expecting Tampa to come get me. And like, that's what I was told. That's what the last conversation I had with my agent. But I was like, man, you know what? Let me be humble and be like everything happens for a reason.

So it's like this city needs, it's blue collar and grinders all about work. This is my type of people, strong black community, all these different things. And so I was like, me, let me go in here and try and like change the culture and whatnot. And so when I got in there, you see they brought in Kyle, they have Dom there. they got Matthew Stafford, they got Calvin, they got a group of guys, and like, let's go. Let's try and make some hate. That first year was tough. What was your record your first year?

Six and ten. It sucked. But I mean, I obviously had a good individual year, but I wasn't happy with that by any means. So then we turn around and have an opportunity the next year to come back. I think we're 11 and 5, which was better guys of the playoffs lost in the first round. but started to see, and I think what they realized, especially from a front office perspective, we got to get rid of certain guys because they're just here collecting checks, which was, which was terrible to see from that standpoint.

But, man, it's, I just went back there and went to the facility for the first time in a decade. A little surreal, but, I mean, I love that city. I'm there all the time. I do a bunch of business. Got a bunch of mentors. Dan Gilbert, Gary Schiffman, like, had dinner with him the other day. Like, I love that city, man. It's home.

What was it like? you left Detroit? Like, why were they not able to keep you there and make you the, you know, make you the guy for your entire career? Man, as I always say, I got kicked out. I wanted to stay there. Like, and I'll say this again, and I said it before, like the day, man, they had an opportunity. They had every opportunity to keep me there if they wanted me to stay there. I gave them last minute. I remember leaving church right during free agency in 1415. And my agent, like, you've got a great deal. with Miami. Like you're going to be highest paid, like super crazy guaranteed.

And yes, Oakland is paying you or offering you a couple million dollars more. But if you look at taxes and all those different things because I had spreadsheets, like all these different things of like breaking down like, all right, they play these tax free cities. They have these ones that are that are non-tax free. What all the numbers would break down to, I would be losing money going back to Detroit and seeing that being in that order. Because they're like their tax rates like,

I think like four or five. or whatever from a state perspective. So I said, I still love Coach Caldwell and I feel like I should be in Detroit. Give them the option to match. He said he went back and they didn't want to match. What were they at before? How far off were they? I'll let you ask them. Okay. Get Sheila on on the busing with the boys and you ask her. Do me, you know the number? Oh, I know the number. Yeah. I know the number. God. And it was nowhere, it was nowhere near what I was getting. Really? nowhere near and you at this point where you were you were expected on the way out oh no question without a question like think of it like this you know we joke all the time but it's all out of love

no love damn clip it you know the lines like oh my god i mean bro how do they not keep you i mean you're You're there four years, right? Was there five years? Five years. Five years of true absolute dominance. Like even like say art, we don't really know if we like, yeah. Nice. A little mic adjustment.

All good. We don't even know like, all right, he's a head case or whatever it is. Say whatever you want to. We'll franchise you. You got to do it for one more year. I just had one of my best years of my career. Yeah, I had my rookie year. I had 10 sacks regular season, but I had 10 sacks.

going into playoffs. Like I had eight, all right, eight and a half, and then I got another two in the playoff game that we should have won against Dallas. So I had my best year,

and you don't even consider like franchising me if you're unsure, you need one more year to figure out, oh, is he really worth us giving him a bag? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, you got to keep, you got to keep talent like that on your roster. Now, you did have a couple of situations when you're in Detroit. Yeah, yeah. I've heard Will talk about asking you this question.

I'm going to do my best to land this plane. There's a situation where a quarterback fell on the ground. Yeah. So I'll stop you there. Yes, sir. Yes, Mr. Sue, absolutely. Go ahead. If you recall, there's, you've had some incidents yourself.

I have. I have. I've had a couple. And maybe not all of them you've been caught on. But if you remember, Andre Brandt. Yeah. You remember the time you wanted to kill you? Kill me?

Yeah. When I took him to the back of the end zone? I'm just saying. Is that the, is that? There's been some things. We all have had mistakes, but they don't define us at the end of the day. I don't disagree with that, but. And going into that situation and I remember vividly leaving the game at half time, and I'm sitting here and you can probably find this picture, I'm talking to the rest.

And I'm like my face is adamant. I'm saying if you don't deal with this dude keep punching me in my face, play after play after play. It's illegal. Hands to the face. It's not legal. If you don't deal with it,

I'm going to deal with it. He didn't deal with it. So there's a couple of things when he was mushing the O-Lignment? Yeah. Because you run, you run, okay. So. Then there's another one with the, with Aaron Rogers.

Yeah, with Aaron Rogers. Yeah, that to me is complete BS because if you go back and watch the play, like I'm tussing on like two or three offense alignment and I'm getting pushed back. Like I don't, I'm not looking. I don't have eyes in the back of my head to see what he's going on and what he's doing. And I think that's why the NFL at the end of the day was like, hey, like, look, like, I'm not looking at where he's at. I just got done figuring out fighting two and three of you dudes. Hey.

You're dead. Look at you like you are in full control of your body. Full control. Hey, yeah, show, yeah. Anytime there's like the living room or something, you might step on one of your kids' toys. You feel it and you like stop and turn around. You felt it and then went another one and kind of stood there and checked.

Did he catch it? Yeah. And that's so real. You put your foot on a Lego. You like, ah, you like get off of as quick as possible. You let that foot sit there for. sit there for a minute. You let that foot sit there for a minute.

You believe what you want to believe at the end of the day. And I'm not going to sit here. I got fine for it. Rightfully so or not. That's where everybody's a biased opinion or unbiased opinion to do it. But at the other than day, like those things happen. Like there's times where people are really intentional. Like we've seen some stuff of some clips of some guys where like they're actually like

trying to hurt people from that standpoint. Yeah. Exactly. So, but I mean. Oh, is that you? That's what you got knocked out? Oh, for sure. He goes when Andre Branch wanted to kill you.

we played a preseason game, maybe 17? Yeah, 16 or 17. So 17, we're playing a preseason game, and I take, like, it is what it is. I took Andre Branch for a ride in the back of the end zone. We end up scoring. My helmet comes off. He gets in my face. I start laughing in his face, and then we go off the sideline.

To me, it's like football. Like, we had a little deal. Was you OD? Were you OD? Oh, you know me? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Taylor won a smoke, and he caught some smoke sometimes.

Yeah, well, I did. I was, you know, I mean. I mean, I'm sure, I don't know if I ever said anything to you, but I would definitely would. Yeah. You played against me the point where you hear me talking. Oh, for sure. I spoke a lot.

I was always talking to the end zone. So I take Andre Brands to the end zone, the back of the end zone after a long drive. I don't know about that way. I got to represent my dog, Ben. But you know, listen, I got him on that. Y'all had some good battles. And he was at, he was at Jacksonville before that, right? Yeah.

So I played him a bunch. So I kind of knew him. He knew me, but I took him and, you know, whatever. So 2018 happens. when I get knocked out. He's the- Andre Branch is the one that knocked me out. Oh, yeah.

So that's in a year later. Yeah, he got that smoke. So he was, he's the one yelling body-bag on the sideline? So are you saying this is a plan? And I bet you this dude was the guy saying body bag also. I'll say this. You had, there was some people at your neck. No doubt.

Taylor had a hit out on him. No question. He had some bounties on his head. Like respectful bounties are within the lines as much as you can. That's what's in the line right there? Baha. Taylor was he ever

Mout popping off to you? He would chirp, but then like, it's like a respectful chirp. Like, I'm like, I'm not afraid of you, which I respect, but at the same time, I'm not gonna really try and piss you off

because I know if I piss you off, I might, I have to ask some other people to get into this battle because. Yeah, for me, with like, guy like Sue,

if I'm gonna talk shit to Sue, I'm not, I don't really play you. You're like in a three. I'll hit you on a couple of doubles. Every once in a third down package, you'll be out of, nine, I'll just wide set you and play basketball with you.

I'm not letting you come down the pipe. Yeah. But if I go talk to Sue, I'm fucking over Roger Saffle, quit in Spain. Right. Yeah. So we would have this conference. Yeah. So we would have this.

Because we didn't play. You went in 15 to Miami? Yeah. So 15. We played Joel maybe 15 or 16. Yeah. And I had James Harrison, my rookie year. And I was mouthing off to James Harrison, but that was a me and him thing.

So when we go to this case, game it's like hey don't wake the sleeping giant and it was essentially like the office line would come to me and be like if you speak to sue today we're going to put hands on you in the locker like you don't like you can say whoever you want to everybody else but like do not speak to sue because you're going to problems for us right so then i would go to the banter with sue like trying to like you know if i can get this guy to crack a smile like that's then i'm that's my fun yeah but for him it's like i'm i don't have to deal with this 62 snaps maybe like three four snaps a game so i'm trying to help my boys out with

branch. Dude, that brand story. That's full circle. I don't know that part. Yeah, I knew you were on the team. So I was good enough to have something on my head, huh? Yes, you were.

You were. I mean, you definitely were a talented guy. But what an ending for. And I did say, I always said, I know, like,

oh, I got this guy in the open field. He doesn't even see me. And now he's asleep on the ground. So after this game, they actually, after this season, they changed the rule of blindside blocks. But the thing is,

was it, I don't know if it was not. It was changed way before that. It was just only changed for probably the offense. Because I don't know if I remember Kyle Vandenbosch, he got blindsided by a receiver coming out in. Like he's aimed at the quarterback inside and dude just hits him in the side of the head. Like a pin pull thing. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Crazy. And he ended up having a bad neck because of that and whatnot. So that was they started protecting the defense. And then obviously we try to start getting back at y'all because of that. Yeah, so I Teams would do that They're like jet sweep on like a toss or something

And the receiver would just take off on the damn bro I hate to keep this on but was there Was the coaching staff involved in this hit on me? No, no, no, definitely not. Oh, it was just like, there was like It was I would say branch for sure had it out for you Because obviously you guys had history Which I legit honestly

Before that hit I wouldn't even think in like stuff like Oh me and this branch got have any issues That's true Like I wouldn't even date Like I got him I mean I've got him a few times Like when he's at Jackson But like I played against him well

And I would obviously talk shit But in my mind like once again's over But I feel like you and Jordan Phillips got into it a lot Yes And so he was on you too Like he was on you Yeah Jordan was on you Because he was at Buffalo

That's what I had my mix up with the bills Remember Bill's mafia came at my throat Because of Who was the We were literally just there Shaq Lawson She tweeted after the game Yeah yeah

I was like you're a stuff The first round pick and I put up his stats, it was like six tackles. Yeah. You know, for the season. And I was like, you're a stud. And then Phillips came at me. But the weird thing about Phillips, if he's really saying these things behind closed doors, is on the field, he's Mr. Nice guy to me.

Well, at least not in Miami. I don't think so. Maybe because he probably had a big bro watching out for him. Yeah, for sure. But I remember y'all getting into it a couple times, especially I feel like here in Tennessee. Miami, that was the longest game of all time. Bro, I know. Oh. And so how much do you get?

I have no clue. Yeah, you didn't cut them a little or something? No clue. You were, so you had. Oh, not not bounties as in like paid, no. It's just pride. Pride, love. For the love of the game of hurting another individual.

No, not hurting, like getting back at you. I know. I made a promise to myself too, which I will not keep. I was like, if I ever see Andre Branch, I got to just walk up and swing on them. No words. Really? I remember like after, dude, like that blindside box like that,

I was like, I got to go up and just swing. Dang. If that's the case for all the high lows, I got a lot of people to go. Yeah. It's been seven years now. It's like, all right, it is what it is. It's over. But nothing pisses me on more than watching that back and seeing y'all.

I don't know if you were in the clip, but being like, body bag. We got a body bag. And the coached like that happened. I don't know. I don't think I was on the field for that one. No, this is when they're waking my ass up. Because there was a Miami and Titan started fighting. Like, I woke up and I'm like, destroying it.

I see a fight. I'm like, I got to get in there. I have to take my boys. You're like, half of sleep talking about I got to get in there. They pulled me up and they're like, Taylor, you got knocked out, you're straight. And I just start crying. I didn't know. You ever seen a dude that just cry from getting me?

No. We had the same thing happened with Jack Conklin. Yeah, I was like crying. And then Ben Jones, our center puts a towel over my head after this. Yeah. Yeah, you weren't that. So, 2015. This Phillips right there.

Yeah. He said, oh, yeah. He said, we got his ass. 2015 you signed the biggest deal for a defensive player in the history yep 15 and 16 you have two career years you're like top 60 in the NFL top 100 yep 2017 season happens and you get released after that season first time ever cut my history what happened in Miami I would not speak of his name but uh Stephen Ross was put in a terrible position where he had to choose between me and the head coach and right so, and maybe not even rightfully so, at the end of the day, he had no control from my understanding and because the person that had control was a head coach that had the ability to cut and bring players in and went and not. It wasn't even the GM at that time. And this was like a super weird situation or whatever. So this head coach had a vendetta for me for whatever reason.

Was there a moment that caused the friction? I think there was a handful of moments throughout the probably two years that I was there with him as a head coach because Joe Philbin was the first coach that I had in Miami and then Dan Campbell was interim which was a blast like a great dude to play for got to catch a catch up with him in Detroit recently and then this slap dick came in as the head coach for the last two years of my my tension in Miami and he had roster control and he goes up to the owner of the Miami Dolphins and says him or me. Basically. That is crazy.

Yeah. And he got rid of Jay Ajai, tried to ruin his career. Like out of him like in our team meeting in like the most weirdest way. And sent him to Philly. And I think J. Ajai ended up winning a championship with Philly, which was a great situation for him. But yeah, he was trying to like, he had vendettos out for like guys that. just didn't grovel at his feet, which was weird to me.

He won people to kiss the ring for him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, but what ring did you, did you earn? Right. I don't even know if he ever won a championship. Yeah. Yeah. Like his claim to fame was like I was an O.C.

Or like the quarterback's coach for Peyton, man, Peyton didn't need you. Right. Payton was way good before you. Like he had Tony Dudgy, Jim Caldwell. Like he had like real coaches that actually made him in like, aka his dad is a boss too. So like it came with the roots. Yeah.

Then after that you end up going to the Rams. The Rams. How did your contract situation work? Because you ended up representing yourself, right? Yeah, there was times where I represented myself. And I was always involved in my contracts. And I knew like, so when I was trying to represent myself, it was always interesting. I needed to always kind of have like a face for me too because GMs didn't really want to talk to me.

like Jason Light was the only GM that would physically like have a real conversation me when I was representing myself. So I guess it was it was always interesting. But I'll really after my rookie deal and like kind of going back to the whole thing with Detroit, my rookie deal there was not what I wanted. But I said, cool. You don't want to pay me more than Matthew Stafford from that standpoint. Great.

I'll earn it on the back end and saying like I'll show you that I'm worth more than what you're paying me. And so I'll get on the back in and prove it to you. And so going back to your comment of like representing yourself, I started reading contracts, understanding it, got with the PA, saw all the different rules, saw offset clauses. And then seeing like the difference between cash over cap and all these different particular pieces. And so when I got cut, like I got to go, I chose between New Orleans, L.A. and I was looking at the Raiders again because I think Gruden was the head. coach there at the time and whatnot. But L.A.

ended up being the better situation because my guy, Ted Rath, was there. And he really was kind of the one over the hump. And then I had really an amazing dinner with Cronkey. And Cronky and his family are amazing, great people. So it was just a good situation. But I was always involved in my contracts, man. Like, you got to understand the numbers. You got to understand what you're signing up for and what you're getting into.

And just the nuances of how you can have leverage, but also have an opportunity to make the most. Confidence negotiating. Yeah. How is that? So much fun because... How are you prepping yourself on that? Is there something, is there questions you're asking, a mentor? Is there a reading that you're doing to kind of equip you for...

Yeah, so I leverage the PA a lot. And he may probably know how I want me to say this, but Don Davis gave me a ton of information of like how to understand the deals, but then also like where previous guys are, where they've had success where were their stats like putting these spreadsheets together and align it in all together putting it together and it's like you really want to go the stat piece like we can have fun with this and then let's go look at percentage of what's the analytics what's the big analytics group that was out and it's still kind of out there now PFF and like seeing like all those different things and

like they're misconstrued but also they show some pictures of like how many people that I'm double team with like That year that I was with me and Aaron Donald, like I got more double teams in Aaron Donald. Like if you go back and look at the math, because that was on purpose, though, we put him as positions to go win one-on-ones. Aaron Donnell, one-on-ones, he's going to win every single time. So why not take, so my stats look terrible then, but then you back that up. He had his career year in sacks.

Then you turn around the next year I'm gone. Not as good as stats for him, but still obviously a great and amazing player, Shaq Barrett, who's considered a nobody, leaves the league. sacks yeah there's a common denominator there right like let's let's let's let's put the pieces of puzzle together so like ultimately like when like when you're in those negotiations those are the things that you have to lay out to them to say oh like it does have a point in some a point that I can't refute when when you're going through these negotiations what do you think is the most uh overlooked stat that these GMs and teams like we you brought up a great point with the devil teams yeah

like people a lot of times I think especially just regular fans can go on Google What was Adomacusu's stats 2018? And you just look at that, but you don't see the full picture. Yeah. What are some things that you see GMs and teams, maybe not evaluating and not, they don't notice when it comes to contract negotiations. Two things I would say there for you. When you were in your offense-in-line meetings and your OC, did your OC ever circle me?

Yeah. That's one. Two, I would probably have to say if you ultimately look at intangibles of that person, how do they affect the team? Like in a positive manner or a negative manner, are they a cancer or are they not a cancer? Do they elevate guys? Do they bring guys around them and make them better?

It's another intangible that you can't really quantify, but it's very, very important. Right. And I would always take this as a greatest compliment. Guys would hate to play against me, but would love for me to be on their team, especially when you actually got to know me and be around me. because I think like Vita said it like probably the best and like we're even closer now than we

were when we when we played together. But when I first got to Tampa, he was like, I just had Jared McCoy, super fun loving dude. Like I got sued now. Like how am I going to deal? Like everybody's like worst person, all these different things. And like not he's like total opposite of type of person. Yeah. So do you think a lot of people, you're one of the more than more. misunderstood players in NFL history? Yeah, for sure. But I also realized early on my career, especially after probably like 2012, 2013, there's got to be a villain in the league.

There's going to be the pretty boy. And then there's going to be the All-Star and sometimes too. So I was a villain. Pretty boy. Probably Tom would say that. And then like the angel in like the all world, I'd probably say for a short period of time, you got Tebow and then obviously Peyton. Yeah. You did play a great heel. You did play a fantastic heel. So you, as you're kind of realizing and having that, like, okay, there's these kind of three main characters in an NFL season. And you realize where you kind of line up as the villain. Did you find yourself pulling away from that characteristics or like buying more into, okay, if this is what the world wants to see me as, that's what I'm going to show them then. Yeah. It's interesting that you ask that question. So I think probably the best meeting that I had when I got to speak.

ended in 2011. I went and Phil Knight called me into his office. I was home. He found out I was home. There's somebody who's super close between the two of us that connected us. It's funny. I just, I just talked to him yesterday. And he pulled me into his office and requested me come. So I went sat down with him. He was like, man, you may not realize it right now, but we're going to leverage this. And we're going to put you in commercials. We're going to do different great things. So that's how I kind of leaned into it. And that's why I'm so loyal to the brand of Nike because they saw something and Phil saw something in me, not only being a hometown kid, but seeing me as an individual and being able to say, we can build some special stuff around you. And that is even more special

because you're on the defense side of the ball. You're not Calvin catching balls. You're not a quarterback throwing it. Like, we're going to leverage you from that standpoint. And there's going to be other things that you can do. And like, they let me have so much access and different things like that and like I'm so happy even from Nike's perspective now I think they're on a rocket ship especially now with Elliott Hill at the helm who I interned underneath in 2012 so no shit yeah so that's the reason why you didn't pick your foot up and he felt Darren Rogers cat I'll let you believe that come on you take pride and being like what is it number two all time and fines over $200,000 your career they went they went to help some kids hopefully

went to help some kids. Did you end up seeing, there was an article that an elementary school did back in the early 2010. His name was Alex, and he, the theme for the project was write a paper on your role model. Okay. His role model was you because he wanted to prove that you're one of the most misunderstood, you're the most misunderstood player in the NFL. Teacher wouldn't let him. Wow.

Told his mom, hey, he needs to rethink somebody else. She felt like she knew enough about you to know you shouldn't be. writing on Adama and Sue. They go back and forward. The teacher concedes. The kid ends up writing the paper. She grades them in A and ends up apologizing saying she had a misrepresentation on who you were.

Do you remember that? Do you remember that article at all? Because I want to say the kid did a research paper. And might have got connected with somebody on your side. But I thought it was cool that a kid was so influenced by you. I wanted to prove that, hey, this dude. For the antics you might see, he's one of the most misunderstood. guys in the NFL. No, that's super dope. I honestly don't remember it. I'd love to see the article to this day,

for sure. And then I'd be remiss not to say this. You got to give a lot of credit to that teacher because you usually hear the opposite of the stories where this teacher puts their foot down and they end up creating something and the friction between them and that child. And that teacher was like, man, I'm an adult enough to be humble enough to say this child. Like, I was wrong. Yeah. And you proved me right. And I appreciate that. So you got to give that teacher kudos. as well. We got about 10 minutes left. I have a couple more questions for you.

Would you say that Ricky Henry thinks you're misunderstood? Why you say Ricky Henry? Yeah, me and Ricky had some battles. Who's your remember? I remember Ricky. Yeah, practice? Give me a little details. You dropped him.

You dropped him. You hit him in the back of the hat. I gave him a forearm, yeah. Nobody on the field said a word. And everybody just kind of moved 10 yards. And we continued the scrimmage. We continued the practice. Give me more context.

Give me more context. Anybody else does more context on what happened? Ricky, who knows? They were getting into a battle. Ricky could have been. They were going back. So I'll explain it to you this way, Taylor. Taylor, if the reason why.

Taylor won on the field. No. Yeah. Don't use that reference. I'm trying to give you a. I think you on. And everybody kind of looks around. The reason why my ACL was torn.

Uh-huh. And people don't know this. I don't remember we're doing one-on-one. ones I don't remember this guy's name. He was offensive tackle, but he was like tweening between tackle and guard. He tugs on my jersey after I beat him. And that was the first time I tore my ACL. And we always told dudes, dude, once we beat you, let us go.

Yeah. You know, Ricky's hardheaded. Yeah. Ricky don't listen. Yeah. Ricky does what Ricky wants to do. So Ricky found out. So Ricky had to learn the hard way.

Oh shit. Hey, but the difference is Taylor, you know, any other player does it. You're getting after something's happened. And now it was after I already tore my ACO. Yeah. That was you going into your senior year. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Seriously. Oh, trust me. I know, big suit. But that's what I'm saying. Everybody looks out, oh, fuck. Just his Ricky laying there. Guys fencing in the corner. Move it up to him.

Like, you know, guys might get to a scuff afterwards. Both. Everybody take off running. Everybody do this, discipline, something. nobody said a word. Nobody said nothing to sue. Yeah, we had a conversation though, but no. How was Rick?

Have you kept it with him? I saw him at spring practice. When did we go out there? Was it last year? I saw him last year. It was him and Caputo. They were all ripping around enjoying spring practice, but they're doing well. They're doing well.

That's good. But yeah, that memory will always be ingrained in my brain. Yeah, that's a core memory for you. Yeah, that's a core one. Because I see Sue, like we weren't. We weren't like, he was tied with my boy, my roommate Zoe Bailey, but I never got to, like, rock with Sue. It was just always the lure. I love.

The lore of endowment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was no lore, bro. There's lore. There's no war. There's absolutely is. We have so many, like, middle connections. You were around all the time, because you was cool with my boy, Harv.

Absolutely. I love Horv. And Zoe, obviously. So, so, but you weren't like, it were, all right. I wasn't rocking with the crew on the weekends. My click was me, Harv, my ace. But Cody wasn't really there. Cody was there like towards the, he would be in and out because he was dating O'Gro.

Yeah. And he was in the league. Yeah. And so he would come in and out. So really. Yeah. And Zoe. So it was like mainly me and Harv, Zoe would be obviously like we go out and have fun and whatnot.

And you would be able to be around, but you could be in the mix mix because we'd also be in some places where like, you know, some of the parties like, you know, some of the parties like. You're kind of the only white guy there. Yeah, a lot of shadow. Yeah, but it was fun, man. But you got to come. I could have been a token white guy. I was a token white boy was so, Fonzo, like the crew that I hung with,

but I would just try and place myself in this issue. You know, I'd fuck around with Sue, but he called me like, fuck boy. He'd always cuss me out. I'm, that's my guy. That's my guy. He like cuts me out walking past me in the hallway and I'd be walking next to me.

I'd like, that's just how we operate. Somebody's going to like, yeah, well, it's got a weird thing with Sue, huh? Eat a bowl of oatmeal or something. We had eight minutes. Hold on. Before you ask that question,

I want to know, on your board, somebody on your board invested a lot of money in Coca-Cola a long time ago. Okay. How did you get the relationship with Warren Buffett?

Easy answer and quick answer would be Tom Osborne. So my senior year, he was an honorary captain as in Mr. Buffett And I was like, they wanted me to meet him. And I was like, they asked me, do you even know who he is? I was like, do I live under a rock?

Yeah, of course I do it is. So after that season, I asked Thomas, hey, would you introduce us? And he was like, I will, but I can't guarantee he'll meet with you. And I was like, totally cool. So he said yes. I got to his office two hours before the meeting time, sat there. And it was like talking to my dad. And we just hit it off.

It took a liking to me. I always followed up to it with him. It was just at Berkshire Hathaway meeting this past May. I got to see that great announcement. And, I mean, I even, he's spent time with my wife, my boys. Like, he's one of the best. That's awesome. Quick break from Endomac and Sue to bring you neutral vodka seltzer.

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Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad,

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We're becoming more individualized, but we actually meet people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you to hear more. Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I love that. I was doing my homework and catching up on your new show. No free lunch, a podcast that you just launched not too long ago. Yeah. And one question you always ask your guest at the end is what is the biggest price that you've paid for a breakthrough.

Yeah. So now you being a guest, I would love to ask you, what's the biggest price that you paid for a breakthrough? I mean, if I have to pick one, I've had been fortunate enough to have a lot of breakthroughs in life and a lot of lessons learned. But I think the biggest price to date I've had to take was losing my dad. this past summer. That was, man, one of the toughest things I've ever had to deal with. And I don't want to get emotional, but yeah, I'll leave it there. It's, uh, it's still, it's still sucks to this day, but he's somebody that I miss talking to every single day and I learned so much from him and whatnot. I appreciate that, man. It makes me emotional hearing that too,

because I was reading up on the way you talk about your dad. I lost my mom a few years ago. Yeah. And I feel like it's like a, uh, It's such a shitty thing that happens, but you being a father, it's like the only way you keep them alive and keep them around. I like, I would love to say like, yes, I would be the same intentional dad that I would be, that I am right now, you know, if my mom was still around. But I feel like it's made me that much more intentional about being a father because of what that person meant to you. I'll give you this short example. My dad and I were super close. We built a lot of projects together from a real estate perspective.

And he was in the construction industry. He was a mechanical engineer. and there's a property and it's so weird and it's so eerie. He was like, I want us to go buy this property. And I'm like, dad, I love you, but no. Like, I'm busy. I'm going to do some other stuff. Yeah.

He goes and buys a property without me. He buys it on contract. And like six months later, he comes back and he's like, son, I bought this property. Like, I want to refinance it or whatever. And I was like, don't do it. Here's a cash. Like, we'll develop it later. And I'm just like,

here's the money like leave me alone like let's let's go work on some other stuff that's because we're at that i think at that time we're building like 15 apartments somewhere multifamily that's really my big focus at the time and this was like a warehouse spot this today in the last six months you're probably seen on my instagram or whatever if you follow me or whatever and i go there almost five times a week with my boys pouring concrete building stuff using my excavator using my skid steer like it is insane and I wouldn't have had that if my dad wouldn't have brought that property so it's like and my kids are immersed in loving doing that stuff and it's humbling like moving stuff moving earth and like these different things and

like so it's crazy like he had this crazy vision of like real estate and stuff that I miss being able to talk to him about that's amazing bro that is he also um I know that there was it was uh you retired on July 12th, which is a year after your dad had passed. Yeah. And there was a quote, I think, from your dad saying, like, let the game of football go. Yeah. How was that conversation going? Were you, like, talking about juggling football?

And he just kind of was like, hey, here's what my opinion is. So he was, it's insane. He was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2019, stage four. So when we found that out, he was supposed to be maybe a year if we're lucky, he didn't pass until 2024, five years later. Like,

it's insane from that standpoint. Like, and so when he's asking me to retire, he's like basically, spend time with me, spend time with your family. Like, me and my older sister were in a feud. And he was like,

spend time with your older sister. Like, even though she was wrong, some things, you were wrong with some things. Like, bring the family back together. And like, let's do that.

And it's, it's, But that's where like it was more meaningful for me to do it that day than anything because he'd always wanted me to retire. And I was like, I want to go chase his second ring. I want to go chase the second ring. And like I'd always sit in back my head like having that there with me like, nah, I'm not, I'm not going to do that. I need to go spend time with my family, my boys, my wife and kind of go from there. I love that man.

That is beautiful, man. You want to ask him the Bud Light question? Yeah, I can't. I mean, yeah, I'll ask it. Do you want me to ask it? No, I'll ask it. So anyone, people would do anything for an ice cold, blood light. Yeah.

Anything. What is something you would do anything for? Can't say family. Can't say family. Yeah. Be the most successful ex-football player to ever live? No, because like there's always been to be the next person that's probably most successful to me.

So it's hard to say that. I mean, I believe everything happens for a reason. Like, family is really the only thing I would do anything for. to be honest with you. Like money's cool and all, but it's not the end-all be-all. What's an ambition in your like development? Whatever venture you're getting into,

you mentioned AI earlier, but what's like a selfish ambition you would like to accomplish? A selfish ambition, I would say my friends that I'm really close to to understand the circles that I've been able to be in is afforded to them at all times, at all levels.

And that's what I don't think they understand. Because my mentors that the Warren Buffett's, I'm not going to say these other guys' names, but like I just got pressed out in the Hamptons. And it was like really rewarding and a great feeling at the same time. But it was like, stop wasting your time with some of these other stuff. And like really just come work with us and like,

let's go build some fun stuff. Like be focused. and basically saying take advantage of the access we're giving you yeah i will i'll listen i'm i'm starting back to you more i don't think we're all building a property to get yeah yeah we are yeah no i'm i'm i'm dead ass hey i am dead ass i think i can say we are dead ass we're dead ass we're we collectively the three of us are dead ass right yeah because when he said he's like please tell me you don't and it pained me to be like i know we don't we have tried it didn't But buddy, up until very recently, we've been very balling on a budget.

No. Like just trying to utilize every single extra dollar to gain more access to this, better quality of that. And like, you see the things along with like the amazing partners we have. Like, we now have the access and the funds to start like taking next steps. Yeah. Which is awesome. But it really is like literally the last, what, two weeks, three weeks for you and me? Who's the best construction company in Tennessee right now?

Construction company? Yeah. Personally. Maybe there's a partnership there. I know a guy named Ford Tomlin who his family has been in like commercial real estate and construction for a long time.

I know they're very successful. There's a ton of cranes. I was just driving down the street. Like I saw all the people. There's a guy named Tony who built 505. Who's building the new stadium? I don't know. And these are all the questions.

This is where the level is. Yeah, when you're like, when I'm on a microphone, and people are listening to us right now and you're asking this question I'm feeling dumber because I'm like it's not a level of like

that is something that you literally should just find out and make a relationship with like you see the cranes it should click in your head like there's so much going on I wonder how we could be a part of X, Y and Z

Hey man and a simple question to do is bring me I'm gonna be our real estate vertical for you guys let's go I love that Hampton's 2026 boys

one cheek bullshit clipy question before you go if you could change go back in time and change one thing about your NFL career what would you change nothing come on there's not one thing one altercation not one conversation one penalty one play nope nothing because it would it would i wouldn't be who i am today if i didn't have that go through that the butterfly effect guy big ashty kutcher guy right now no it's great movie but there's not one thing like hey you know he'll give you one i'll give you one uh i wish i looked a left in 2018 against Miami Dolphins right like that's that's a good one you ever get got I got his ass

once I've ever got got got I've gotten got but you wouldn't have known that I got got a I got you once when double team took you I took you took you took you back when Miami pull a clip up so listen we're having a good time here there was a couple me and I said a little bit too hard hey calm it down we got caught you slip out, I caught that hip a little bit. Oh, I'm saying, I dumped you. Yeah, yeah. But you're you.

You're you. Getting my hip. Yeah, for sure. You take you about five, six. I mean, huh, five, six yards? Maybe like a yard and a half, yard and a quarter. Come on, man.

Because, you know, I'm usually spinning out of those things. Once I, once I feel that, I'm like, let me just go and get up out of your. I took that loss. Take that one. But you take it. Yeah, you take it looking good. Yeah, you take it looking good.

Hit the tap. Yeah. me get one or two. Yeah, nah. Well, you've never been like put down. I mean,

there's been some times where like I've jumped up in the air and guys have like pushed me down and got me like that. But like somebody just manhandling me, I don't,

I don't see that. Did you have a welcome to the NFL moment? Welcome to the NFL moment. I don't think so, but somebody else might think so. You didn't have a welcome to the NFL moment. The NFL had a,

Welcome to the Subaru. Yeah. Was your welcome to the sewer. Hey, we appreciate you, bro. No, no, man. This might have it. An enlightening conversation, man. Thank you.

Go check out no free lunch. Subscribe to it in Dombekin, Sue. Amy and a Tuck's tiny kisses. Are you subscribed? To, uh. No free lunch? Absolutely. Okay, okay.

I've consumed about, I've consumed about four episodes over the last couple days. I appreciate the support, boss. I'll, uh, I'll be subscribing after this. Hey, you know, are you subscribed? Oh, shit. All right, guys. Big hugs, 10 of kisses. We'll see you next time. Can you get a photo of you guys? That was a good one.

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