Bussin' With The Boys - NFL Week 15 Reaction: Is The Chiefs Dynasty Over & Does Joe Burrow Want Out Of Cincinnati?

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

On this NFL recap, The Boys, Will Compton and Taylor Lewan, are joined by Greg Olsen to break down everything from NFL Week 15. The boys start with Philip Rivers ripping it at 44, proving once again that age might actually just be a number. They get into the Eagles getting back on track against the Raiders, and debate who the best team in the AFC really is as the playoff picture tightens up. Will, Taylor, and Greg also dive into the Joe Burrow situation in Cincinnati and whether there’s any real smoke around the idea of Burrow wanting out. From there, they break down Patriots vs. Bills, with Josh Allen re-entering the MVP conversation after another dominant performance. The conversation then turns to the biggest shock of the week: Patrick Mahomes tearing his ACL and what that means for the Chiefs’ dynasty, along with questions surrounding Travis Kelce’s future and whether this could mark the end of an era in Kansas City. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Head to fandle.com slash bussen to download the app and get started. Gentlemen, a lot of storylines, a lot of storylines, a lot of big storylines. Big stories. A lot of injuries, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, we lose two of the game's best players with Michael Parsons and Patrick Mahomes, which does suck. Who would have thought we'd be looking in a world where we're looking at playoffs without Patrick Mahomes, a Green Bay Packers team without Michael Parsons.

Christian Wilkins. Yeah, no Joe Burrow. Yeah. All these guys. Possibly no Lamar Jackson. I think the Ravens might make it. They're ify. They're in the hunt or they're back in the fight.

They're back in the fight. And possibly Philip Rivers playing in the playoffs. I don't think that's going to happen. You never know, bro. I don't think it's going to happen. I love, you know what? Let's get our, let's get our Monday, bro, our Monday interview on here. Greg, how do you feel about Philip Rivers being 44 years old?

clearly has not only a dad bob, but a grandpa bod, going out there against one of the saltiest defenses and winning that game for, what, three quarters? Yeah. Three and a half quarters before they kick a field goal at the end of the game to win? Like, how incredible is it for you just be like, yo, look at this man doing his thing,

who's older than all of us? He won the game for 59 minutes and 30 seconds. Yeah, right? I mean, you know, I can't imagine what he feels like this morning. Yeah. he has to feel just I can't even process how bad he feels and sore but I do think he wakes up this morning walks out to get the paper or whatever the hell guys do and he's like that was pretty fucking awesome yeah like I just came off the bench cold coaching high school ball haven't trained I mean

he's worked out but there's a difference between training and working out and I just went against arguably the best team in the league, arguably the best defense in the league, in one of the hardest places in football to play for a decade, and took my team down on a game winning to take the lead in what could have been a game winning field goal, only that and then obviously have your heartbroken by giving up a game winning field goal. So I actually think he wakes up this morning physically sore and beat, but I think mentally he walks around his house with his 12 kids and he walks around that high school of those boys that he coaches and he's like any more questions who's the baddest dude around because it's me bro through it through a touchdown.

Any other questions? Yeah that it's just it's just nuts to see and you're watching the game and everyone tunes and I love I love that the Colts they understand like hey it's great season but we're obviously not in a position to go win at all we're not going to be able to do that we lost our starting quarterback or a guy we traded for he's been hurt and they're like hey let's just let's make something the net of nothing here. Let's call this old guy who our head coaches of this outstanding relationship with and is, hey, give us your best 60 minutes right now for the next three, four weeks. And let's just enjoy it. And a game that no one would have tuned into, I'm sure the ratings were out of control about. And it's just amazing. And then watching Rivers like kind of go

back, he goes to like hitch, step up in the pocket. And he like slips, realizes, oh, shit, they're getting close. It kind of like starts this like baby crawl thing as they kind of just touch and he's like, ooh, fuck, that was a close one. That was a close. Dagname it, that was a bit of a deal there. And he just, dude, he just does his thing. See some throws out to the, out to the sideline that just kind of die off. And you're like, it's what you're going to get.

It's what you're going to get with the boy. Quick decisions. It's awesome. He's changing plays like, I watch that game and I'm like, Colts have a shot to get in the playoffs. I was watching. I was what tuned in that game to just enjoy watching Philip Rivers, like come back, like five years, like, man, is this 44-year-old going to be?

able to do it. Toward the end of the game, I'm like, you know, I'm not counting the Colts out yet. To make the playoffs. I have them next week. I'm so excited. So we have their game against Jacksonville next week. I'm with you, Will. I'm like genuinely excited to call his game.

I hope he makes it. Yeah. I hope they, it's got to stay alive for at least one more week because I'm doing their game in Indy in two weeks when Jacksonville comes in. Again, two teams that are at least theoretically in the playoff picture and in the hunt there in the AFC and it's a more interesting game and I'm more excited about the game with the potential of him being the quarterback for sure. Yeah, he's got to make it through the 49ers.

They have 49ers. They got Jaguars and they got the Texans. Yeah, he didn't exactly come back for a easy defensive stretch. No doubt. But if you're like looking at that Jan 4th game or whatever the last game of the year is for them, you've got to hope that either the Texans have the South kind of wrapped up and they're not really fighting for anything and if they are like Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter they're getting pulled to the side for the game like hey yeah just lay them down

just don't kill the man you've got a family have you seen the bit of like Kevin Hart when he was on I don't know if it was ESPN or wherever he was at yeah and he was talking about how you have to like put the quarterback down now they like pick them up and they lay him down they get him a pillow like that's what I need them to do with Phillip Rivers like we gotta protect this man at all cost Texas are as a country as a country we need to

protect him. Yeah. No doubt. No doubt about it. The Texans, that game, it's probably going to be a win-and-in-in game for the Texas. That sucks. That's- I'm just because of Jaguars are playing good football, bro.

Yeah. Right now they're on top. Right now they're on top. Big game. They both, this is, this is Texas Jaguars this weekend, yeah? I believe so, yeah. This one's going to be a decider. Yeah.

They're both sitting around the same record right now. You called the Eagles Raiders game. Just. Was that the worst game of all time? The Raiders are really bad. They're just, and we, I felt like we talked about it for three quarters because the game was pretty much decided pretty quickly. Philly played well. Philly did everything they needed to coming in.

Jalen had some nice deep balls. They used them as a design runner, had a couple scrambles. Seekwon had a really quiet first half. They got them going there in the third quarter and then they didn't really need them in the fourth. The game was over. AJ Brown had a nice. nice deep touchdown. So they check the defense is nasty. Obviously, pitching a shutout in the NFL is not easy to do. So I think from the Eagle standpoint, you check the box, you move on. The Raiders, they got a lot of problems.

They got a lot. They got roster problems. They've got decision problems. They've got to figure out what they're, they've already fired two of their three coordinators. They didn't even make it through their first season. You know, who's the quarterback of the future? They traded for Gino. who I love as a guy, he was a teammate of mine and a guy, I just, I love him. He's everything you'd want, a teammate and a dude. They trade for him. They give him $75 million. I think they completely misjudged how close that roster was to winning. You know, you trade for Gino, you give up a third round pick for him.

You give him $75 million. I think it was like 60-something guaranteed. But the sixth overall pick, you take a running back. You put him behind an offensive line that might be the worse in the league. If not, they're in the, they're in the, running. You don't even know Genties on the team. And I don't even mean that as an indictment on him. I think he's a good young player. It's just he's, it's, it's meaningless to have a running back on a team that's never winning and can't block anybody. So it's just not an impactful position.

Brock Bowers is a stud. They're two best players of Brock Bowers and Max Crosby. And the problem is neither one of them can truly impact the game because of the chaos going around them. So they're wasting two of the premier players in the league, respectively, really have very little impact. And that's a problem. Yeah. What do you do? Like, what do you do in this situation where you invest and you think you're closer than you really are?

And you have all these problems, roster-wise, coaching staff-wise. Like, what do you do? Like, say Pete Carroll's the guy next year. What do you look at doing first? Is it, again, you're in a situation where you're always playing from behind. So to your point, you're never really able to use Max Crosby to the best of his ability. Do you look at moving Max Crosby to get some draft equity to just start looking to fill all of these holes everywhere else? Yeah.

So I think it's a complicated. So if I played like Magic GM for a day, you know, what would be my first? First off, you need to sit down in a room with the powers to be. And you need to have a real honest assessment about where are we and how close are we to our competitive cycle. Right. And I think that was part of the issue a year ago. you hire a guy like Pete Carroll who's not used to losing. He has won 10 plus games.

It feels like forever. Yeah. Obviously from college and then what he did in Seattle. You're hiring a guy who is not a long term. In three years we're going to be good. The expectation is we're going to win now because I only know winning. I only know 10 plus wins. I only know playoff games.

That's all Pete understands. That's his power. That's his eternal optimistic brain that has made him as good of a coach as he's been. So I think there's a little bit of a misalignment there, if we're being honest. I think they need to sit down and say, okay, we need to be good in two years. We need to be good in three years. Whatever that realistic approach, and every decision needs to be made through that lens. So can you, if they get the first or second overall pick, that game against the Giants feels like it's going to decide who, you know, the loser actually wins because you'll get the higher pick.

Yeah. Do you love any of these quarterbacks, right? You need a quarterback. You need to get a young quarterback so you can build around them. cheaply. Do you love Fernando Mendoza? Do you love the kid from Oregon? What is it, Dante? The kid from Oregon. Dante Moore. Dante Moore. Do you love them? That's a question. If you don't, can you trade down? Is one pick going to change your franchise? No, can you trade down from one to middle of the pack? Get a bunch of picks and accumulate. You know, the Max Crosby,

things real. We talked about it on the broadcast. He's a premier player in the league regardless of position. You have to ask yourself, no different than Miles Garrett, as good as they are individually, our current roster makeup and our current play style, for as good as they are, doesn't matter. And the answer is no, it clearly doesn't matter. It clearly doesn't impact wins because what they do great, you're not in position for that to actually have an impact on the outcome of the game, which is essentially that matters. So those are really hard decisions. Those are really complex, long-term thinking. But I think if they continue to just patchwork it

and just put Band-Aid, Band-Aid, and there's not a real comprehensive plan to say we are going to do all these difficult things now in the moment so that we have the ability to be good in two or three years, I think they're a long way off. Yeah, I agree with you too. Like, I don't think Max wants to leave.

I don't think that fan base wants to leave. Like, it's going to be a tough breakup. But one that's like just feels, like that's my, if you want to be a good organization a good football team in a couple years or a few years. Like that is one of those tough decisions that you would have to make. Yeah. And the biggest issue that you're dealing with is that the owner is not known for having a lot of patience behind his decision making when it comes to GM's head coaches

and that type of thing. So we're talking about two, three years from now being successful when we know the league is one of the more impatient organizations of all time. And so it's like is peak care of there in two or three years? Because foundationally you're right like Band-Aid, Band-Aid, Band-Aid. You have to do a complete foundational overload of what's taking place in like. Las Vegas. Yeah, so think about it.

They had the sixth overall pick between a third round pick, a fifth round pick, and a sixth overall pick. They got Gino, Kenny Pick at the backup quarterback, and Ashton Gentia running back. Tough. Yeah. But now you go back and you say, okay, you want to trade, you want to accumulate picks, you want to play through the draft. Now, they do have a ton of cap.

I want to say off the top of my head, it's like maybe the second most cap spending for next year. or they're in the top like three. So there is a lot of opportunity for them to add free agents and to add guys because they have a ton of money. We saw the Patriots do it and surround a much improved roster with Vrable. They spent the most in free agency. And then obviously they've hit with Drake May. And that's the perfect storm because you take advantage of your really good young cheap quarterback. So the problem with doing that is you got to make sure you have your young cheap quarterback, right?

Not only getting one, but is he the guy that I can ride this five-year window or I'm not paying him top dollar. I can afford all these other positions, and we can ride that a la what New England's doing now and what, you know, the Vikings, they were the second highest spenders. But I say all of that is you can accumulate as many draft picks as you want. Think it wasn't too long ago that they traded Khalil Mack

in a blockbuster trade from the Raiders to the Bears and they accumulate all those first round picks. And that's going to change their future. And I don't, I think like one of those first round picks, I think like Colton Miller, who's on the IR, the offensive tackle. He might be the only first round pick left. And if there is another,

they might have a, no, they have a defensive lineman from like Texas A&M that's a backup. But like they've had all these first round picks and most of them, they're not even in the league. So you accumulate all this draft capital, but it's only as good as your ability to execute and actually draft good players. That's why Philly's been so good. All these guys that Phillies drafted, especially on defense, have become really good players.

Right, right. staying in the aFC last week we're kind of talking how wide open the afc is there's really nobody that you go into the playoffs thinking like i don't want to play against this team after yesterday are there any team sticking out to you to where it's like hey i don't want to have to face this football team i thought Denver had a really impressive win i agree i thought i thought that was a really a really good win i again i didn't catch all four quarters i caught the most of it traveling home um i thought that was really impressive. I thought Bo Nix played as well as he has.

You know, they beat a good Packers team. I think that comeback win for Josh Allen and the bills, again, is it the roster? Is it the play style that we're accustomed to? No, we've talked about that throughout the course of the year. It looks a little different. It feels a little different. But I'll tell you what, these last two weeks, Josh Allen's been Josh Allen. And he did it in the snow at home against Burrow, bringing them back and pretty much putting the game on his back two weeks ago.

he's down 21-0-0-0-0-0-the-road to, at the time, the number one seat in the conference and brings him back for a huge comfort behind win. So, you know, I still believe that that AFC is a toss-up, I believe, I can make an argument that five or six of those teams. Texans, I can make an argument that they go through. Texans, right? Like, we've talked so much about the Texans defense, and it feels like their offense is getting a little bit better.

Is their offense ever going to be this juggerner? They're a little better? Yeah, they put a 40 burger on the Cardinals, and that's exciting because you want them to do the things they're supposed to do against inferior teams, which they did. But I think, I think just looking at this past weekend, we're looking at, yeah, yeah.

First part of the year, if I'm being optimistic, I guess, for the Texans' offense in the first half of the year, I don't think that offense would have put up 40 on a team like the Colors. You know what I mean? It's like, you're at least like, hey, we're coming along a little bit. Forget whoever the jersey on the other side is. Right. If it was the Raiders, maybe we'd have,

kind of a different tune. But I just feel like them being able to put up 40 against the Cardinals to kind of at least compare a little bit to that elite defense. It's got to be. If you're a Texas fan, you've got to be feeling great going into this or being in December. Yeah, it's definitely, I think when it comes to the AFC, they've been just sitting there in front of our faces a whole year, but it's the Denver Broncos. Like they have one of the best defenses in the entire league.

They have one of the best offense. I think their offensive line has given up the least amount of sacks. Yeah. out of any other offensive line in the entire NFL. And the biggest question mark is, is Bo Nixie to take that next step? Because you're putting a lot of pressure on this kid going into year two. He goes and plays at home against a great Packers team.

And, you know, gets into a bit of a shootout. Four tuddies. Four tuddies. And it's like, oh, okay, in my opinion, right now as it stands, and this is so week to week where we all kind of like have these grand gesture opinions, but it's like, oh, it's clearly the Broncos right now. The way the Patriots fell apart after being up 21 to zero against the bills. The Houston Texans, their question marks on offense, are they getting better? Are they not?

But it's like the NFC, people have said for a majority part of the year, like, hey, the Packers seem like the most put together team. And they took that team and had to play against their offense, their strengths, and go and win that game the way they did. It's like, yo, it's the Broncos. And if Bowdo next continue to do what he does, he's got everything around him to be successful. Now, they sit in a perfect position of they have all this talent around them and a quarterback that's in his first contract where he's not killing a bunch of cap for you guys. So there is,

if you're a Broncos fan, buddy, this is like we have to, you have to get it now. Now is when you take the edge of all those things. Because in three years, you're not going to be able to have Cooper, Benito, Certain, all these guys on your defense

and able to have enough on offensive line and wide receivers and running back. So I think right now it is the Broncos. And I think that's probably who looks like, they're coming out of the playoffs. Now when we get to the playoffs, we'll see how Bo Nix handles the weather

that we talked about, run game defense. It seems like they can handle that. Josh Allen seems like he's going to have the easiest path he's ever had with Patrick Mahomes now being out. Lamar Jackson, he's on the fringe with the Ravens. It's going to be very interesting to see what takes place in the AFC.

Yeah, because they could get that one seed and then everybody's traveling to the altitude to Denver. Right. In that cold weather, all that stuff. And Denver's an extremely hard place to play. We all are very aware of that. I want to talk about the Bengals with you for a second

because before this game, I think they got shut out, correct? It was 24 to 0, 20 to 0. Yeah, they got shut out. Yeah, before this game, Joe Burrow, he's in a press conference. He goes, I want to play the game. That's fun for me.

He basically eludes like, I'm not having fun. He's having a lot of comments that reflect us looking back on Andrew Luck and being like, yo, are we going to have a similar situation where this guy, a generational talent, which is thrown around all over the place. But truly Joe Burrow is a generational talent. Does he want to trade?

Does he want to retire? What does you want to do? Goes into this game. Gets gooseache, those multiple interceptions. And you got Jamar Chase in the post-game press conference saying, I've never had to uplift Joe Burrow in my life. It seems like that's where I kind of have to go now. He's done that for me, so I need to do that for him.

Because Joe Burrow has this crazy body language about him. This is more of an open discussion. I want to put you just like, hey, Greg, what would you do? But where do we feel like Joe Burrow is at right now? as far as his career. I don't think he wants to be done playing. There's got to be something going on off the field, in my opinion, based on just a little clues or nuggets, because he alluded to, I want to say a reporter asked him when he said

he wasn't having fun and whatever else. And the guy in the audience was like, is there personal stuff? Is it football stuff? Is it personal stuff? He's like, you know, a little bit of everything. And then for Jamar Chase to, he also said a personal, he eluded. I'm not going to say alluded, but he. brought up the word personal.

Like when he said, I've never been in spots where I've had to uplift Joe Burrow. I don't know what's going on personally, blah, blah, blah, but I feel like I'm going to be there for him the same way he's been there for me. There could be something going on that nobody knows about. I don't think he wants to be done playing football. I think he just wants to be on a winning football team.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I think it's a lot of that. And again, we never know. It's so easy to judge these guys and say, oh, man, how good do they have it? You don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I think that's all real. Guys are still living lives outside of the world

of professional football, and it certainly takes a toll. But my guess, without having any real intimate knowledge into the situation, my experience of just being around guys and hearing the way they talk and whatnot, this feels to me like a guy who's saying, I know I'm really good. I didn't play good yesterday. I think he was very honest about his assessment yesterday. And that's okay. It felt like an outlier, felt like kind of a one-off game. But I sense a guy that is tired of losing. Right? I'm tired of scoring. 30 plus points and losing. Everybody else around the league scores 20 and they win.

25, they win. 30 and it's a foregone conclusion you win. How come I'm on this team that over the last two years I've scored 34 points six times in a loss? That's not fun. People are like, oh, but you're making so much money. You're making this. We all know, like, the money and all that, after you sign that contract and that rush is gone, the football is still what matters.

coming into a locker room of a winner is very different coming into the locker room of a winner, of a loser, regardless of how much money you make. And I think these last couple years, really since the Super Bowl, it's been a steady decrease, especially on the defensive side of the ball. They can't get that right. They're firing coaches. Hendrickson's not playing. He's their best player. They're not good on defense. He feels like he carries the entire weight of the organization, which he does on his back offensively and quarterback.

And obviously, he's been through some injuries. and he's battling and he's rehabbing and he's rushing back to a four and eight team trying to claw his way back into the playoffs every single season they're in the same boat they're four and eight they're three and seven and it's like hey win every game well he did it last year they won every game down the stretch they don't make the playoffs he comes back he gets him to four and eight it's got to win every game he loses a heartbreaker to josh allen to get shut out and now the season's over i think he's mentally worn out i feel like he's a guy that's saying i'm in the prime of my career.

When I'm healthy, I'm arguably the best quarterback in the league, and I'm tired of losing, and I don't blame them. Yeah, yeah. It's like, too, being a part of a tough organization or a bad culture, like going into work, like anybody who goes into work and, like, let's say you have a bad day or you have a bad week or you have a bad moment. If you've got a lot of good people around you and you're around a good organization with a good culture, you'll get out of that pretty quick.

Like we've been in locker rooms to where you're winning football team, you have a bad day or you have a bad moment. game and just to feel when you go into the locker room or going to the building the next day, it's completely different than when you have a bad day or have a bad game and you lose and you go into a locker room where it's just, it's quiet. Like everybody knows there's stuff going on. Even the culture when you go into the facility the next day where they're organizationally from the top down, you just feel like you're in a bad situation.

Having to do that day in and day out, it absolutely wears on you to the point to where it's like, yeah, the dude's just beat down. He's tired of being. He does know. Like this is one of the best players in the NFL. and he's just been on this, he's just been on this shit team for the last few years. Yeah, it's not even day in and day out,

month and month out. This has been year in and year out for Joe Burrow. And it's just like, if you go into multiple off seasons and the issues that you've had have not been addressed, and I know the issues that they have. We've all talked about it.

We talked about it earlier with the Broncos. Like, Broncos are in a great spot because they have all the pieces in a quarterback in his first contract. Now you have Joe Burrow who's making half a billion dollars or whatever his contract is. And it's like, every year it's like, okay, their defense sucks

and their offensive line gives up sex. And every year we're having the same conversation. Now we're here three years later saying, 2025, it's December. The defense sucks and the offensive line gives up sex. So if I'm Joe Burrow, yeah, I'm pretty fed up with the situation and just wondering like if it's not going to get fixed in three years, maybe I need to go somewhere else where it is fixed.

But the argument can also be made is it's not always green on the other side. No other team has T. Higgins and Jamar Chase and that time, was it, Gaseki? Is that how you say it? Geseki, like those type of weapons, they're just, they grow on trees. Like, maybe the Vikings you can find yourself in that situation? Stafford's done with the Rams.

If Stafford's done with the Rams, those pastures are greener. Those pastures are pretty damn green. But it's like, that has to be the fit. Like if it's like, go bro, he's going to go to the Raiders or he's going to go to the Jets or he's going to stealers. It's like, no, bro.

Like, you're not going to be happier there because you're not going to have the weapons that you have that are even comparable anywhere else other than probably two teams. Joe's smart enough. he would know. He's not going to end up with the Raiders or the Jets. Well, it brings up the question everybody always asks.

And I'm not sure there's a clear cut answer. You know, they're paying 50 plus million. It might maybe be more than that off the top of my head how much they're paying to T. Higgins and Jemar Chase, right? So you're paying all that money there. Would you rather have a $50 million offensive line or $50 million wide receivers? It's a tough. I can make an argument each way, right? What kind of system am I running?

What's the, you know, where's the, where's the, you know, where's the, load, where's the stress? So I think there's a lot of nuance to it, but I think it's a fair question. And then you look at what they're doing with the Rams. Yeah, oh, Pooka and Nakua. Puckinakua is a fifth round pick making no money. Devante Adams is on a, is a veteran who last year couldn't do a thing in Jets, not because he's not amazing. He's incredible. It's a better fit, but he's not making $35 million. He's not making top tiered-year-wide receiver money. So you can't pay everyone, right? And the second you start paying a quarterback 60 and a wide receiver 30 and you just, you better draft incredible.

And we see it time and time again. There's great rosters with good young quarterbacks making no money. They're highly competitive. And then there's the couple quarterbacks that can mask the problems of a bad roster. But even they can't do it anymore. Even Mahomes and Josh Allen and Burrow. I mean, these guys are as good as it gets. And the roster holes right now of the group, the only one that's still holding on is Josh Allen.

Yeah. And he's doing it without, literally without a receiver. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But I'm talking like traditional. Yeah.

Comparing. Justin. Pooking. I'm talking like a traditional XZ receiver. It's this, it's a really hard balance with how much money certain guys. take and if you're going to allocate a certain amount of percentage, such a high percentage of your cap to certain players, which of course you have to, they have to be able to hold, they better be able to fill the holes that are inevitably going to come and you better draft incredibly well

around them. Yeah. Now playing, now that we have more information, playing hindsight, armchair quarterback, it's 1,000% you want a $50 million old line when you got a quarterback like Joe Burrow. Yeah. If you have a $50 million dollar O line, he's not throwing to Jamar Chasing T. Higgins. Exactly. Yeah, but I'm thinking Joe Burroughs so good. Like, yeah, Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, they're animals. But I'm thinking you got a, you got a QB like Joey B.

Like, again, you see it with Josh Allen. He doesn't have a whole lot of wide receivers to work with. And he, you know, he's out there making it happen. You can make an average wide receiver look good. You can make a good wide receiver look great. You can go out there and grab, you know, if you fortunately could draft like a Pooka Naku in the fifth round. Obviously, I'm talking out of my ass saying that. But if you do draw,

draft well and then you go out and find somebody a receiver that's got a higher ceiling than what he showed the previous year in Devante Adams when he was with the Jets, you'd be able to, you'd be able to figure it out, I believe, in free agency if you had a foundational piece of the offensive line, protecting your best asset on the team. The thing that I'm thinking of right now is the viewer watching the show who is working their ass off, working paycheck to paycheck and not just saying to us, three guys who play in the NFL, well, if Joe Burrow wants this so bad, why wouldn't he take less money? Yeah.

No, that's where now I want to know what you guys think. It's the $60 million question. I thought you had to follow up. I thought you had to follow up. That's what I'm assuming, like people who don't play in the NFL, people who don't like understand like, hey, it's not for long. This doesn't last forever. You want to accumulate as much wealth as you possibly can for generational stuff.

They're sitting there and they're saying, well, the answer seems like it's pretty simple to me. Take less money so you can get a better off the line and a defense. Fair. So, so there's two, there's two arguments, one on each side. normal, right? You make the one argument that, yeah, instead of making 60, can you make 50? Is your life really going to be different? Right? That's a valid argument. You can spread that 10 million around your roster and you do that over multiple years and all of a sudden

you have a better team. That's fair, right? Brady did that a lot and been heavily talked about. There's also the side that those top tier guys, there is an obligation that it's your job to raise the ceiling, right? It's your job because once Joe Burrow, I'm just going to make up that he's, let's say he's the highest paid quarterback. Well, when it's Jordan Love's turn or it's Drake May's turn, right, these next young guys, when it's Drake May's turn, if Drake May doesn't jump whoever the highest paid guy now is, you never reset the market. Right. And you're not only resetting the market for the top guy. As the top quarterback makes 60, the second tier now makes 35. If the, top quarterback's only making 50, the middle tier is only making 25. So you're bringing everybody

up with you when you continually reset the market. So the other to the counter, and this is what every agent in the world is, of course, is selling his client. You owe it to the league. You owe it to the other quarterbacks to elevate the market and to reset it if you have the ability to reset it. So there's a very double-edged sword there, right? Like, Do you owe it to the league? Do you owe it to the market and, of course, yourself? Or is your obligation to balancing the books on behalf of your front office and doing their job for them? Right. Because the Eagles certainly don't have a talent problem. Right. And the Eagles are paying A.J. Brown. And they're paying Lane Johnson and they're paying Maillada and they're paying Jalen Hertz and they're paying Sequin Barclay.

And I mean, why can you pay all the ball? But why can you pay all them? Because you drafted Jalen Carter and you drafted Jordan Davis and you signed Zach Bonn. I know they've given him an extension since, but he's not a top tier. They signed him in a one-year veteran deal two years ago or last year. You draft Cooper DeGine. You draft Quinn, Quinion Mitchell. Yeah, Nicoby Dean.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nicoby Dean. And we can go on and on and on about the guys that they've drafted who make no, relatively, they don't make big money in the scope of the NFL. That's how you keep that roster looking the way it does. If they miss on all those picks and those guys stink and they now need to go out and free agency and fill those gaps, you only get A.J. Brown or Devante Smith. You either get Lane Johnson or Jordan Maillata.

You don't get Sequin. And it has a... Yeah. It's just the nature of the game. So like, the argument the quarterback would be draft better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, I mean, you do, you know, balance the books of the organization. You now give power to the own.

owners like when you're in this battle player versus ownership and get paid what the market says you now give owners leverage now they're they're saying that with all the other deals they're trying to sign with their quarterbacks that they're trying to keep it's like well the bangles over here joe burrow did this like we need you to kind of be a selfless person here right take less money so that way we can make a better roster yep yep and then the left tackle wants to negotiate a new deal and they go well joe burrow just took a hometown discount so if he can do it why don't you yeah right right now the negotiating the leverage goes towards the the team right yeah you don't And there's just so many, there's just so many layers to it.

It sounds so easy. You know, and I save you 10 million a year. Is there a guarantee that you're not going to blow that? Yeah. You give it to some guy who stinks. You're better off giving it to me. Right, right. I'm a proven commodity.

Yeah. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of nuance to a lot of those things. But yeah, on the surface, not being the highest paid player, certainly helps keep your team better in theory. but now there's an execution component. It makes me think about Kirk Cousins and what he was trying to start when he left Washington,

which is do you take less money, but it's all fully guaranteed. And now you're starting to work through the process again of, hey, you know, when you sign these $90 million deals and 60 if it's guaranteed, well, really, it's just a $60 million deal and you're hoping to get the other 30.

Like, why not? Like maybe that's the process now where these top tier quarterbacks, you're taking $5, $10 million less dollars, but 30 more is guaranteed on the back end. like that's that's a win possibly for everybody there now there's a new fight taking place

where these fully guaranteed contracts are happening which you know depends on what side of the fence you sit on when it comes to that stuff yeah that was always the approach that I took right like again this is a fun kind of higher level like approach standpoint that I think is interesting to dive into but like me personally

my approach was always it didn't matter to me that I was ever the highest paid the third highest paid the fifth highest paid the 10th that never really mattered to me right Like I always took extensions in advance just because I knew I played a position where at any moment it could be done. Yeah. But then I also always bet on myself in saying I might sign on an annual basis a less contract than a guy that I might feel like I'm better than.

But because I took an extension, I didn't make free agency. He's going to make more on an annualized basis. But I'm going to make the entire contract. Right. Like I'm going to play the entire. I'm going to get the max value of that contract, which might be a little bit less. over a fixed number of years. I'm going to make it all. I make five million and you make seven, but you only made two years of it. And then you got hurt. You stopped training. You got cut.

You weren't as good as me. But I made it for five years. Who signed the better contract? I signed the better contract because you got two of the five years at seven. So you made 14. I got five of the five for 25. I did better than you. That was always personally my approach where I didn't need to make the most per year, I was going to make every single year of it for 14 years and just play the long game. That was always my approach. Yeah, when I was sitting in the position to get a second contract, I was sat down by Tom Condon and Pat Collins at CA and they're like, hey, everyone's looking at APY. Like everyone wants to know your average pay per year. Really, the move is, we're trying to set the record for the guarantee. That's what we want to get for you. And it's

when they were able to break that down from me because I was a little more green. I'm like, well, this guy's making this much per year. I want to make X, Y, and Z more per year. And then really when they turn my focus to, hey, what you're really focused on over here is the guarantee. That's when it's like, oh, shit, you're right.

Because then things go to hell, like it kind of did towards the end of my career where it was like, shit's just falling apart left and right. It's like, oh, I get to lean on this guarantee that I have and be a little more safe. So yeah. I'm just wondering if I get a sign of bonus. No doubt.

You know what I mean? I've got to get that. Yeah, and it's, it's, yeah. I can get 120 in that signing bonus with this contract. It's so interesting. Let me go get that. It's so interesting with the money thing, because when you get into the league and you're drafted,

even being drafted in the first round and everything's like, it was the new CPA. So, like, everyone's kind of slotted. You get drafted, you get your signing bonus, but then you're working through your rookie, like minimums every single year because it was all front loaded that signing bonus, which is great. 48 hours, it's like, okay, that was awesome.

Bank account looks great, but now I've got to worry about actually putting a product in the field that's not disgusting and people hate me for. And you're looking at these eight, nine, 10 year vets that are making 10, 11, 12 per year. And you're like, bro, what are they bitching about when they're making that much money? And then you become the guy that's making that. And you realize quickly like, yeah, that goes away. And it's, you know, it might sound selfish to the casual person.

But like once the money is the contract signed, it's like, you're only thinking about football from then on if you truly care about the game. It's psychotic. losing stinks, dropping the game-winning pass, giving up three sacks in a game, you don't wake up Monday and go, well, it's not that bad because I make a lot of money. It's probably worse. Yeah. You're absolutely right.

It's probably worse. You feel shittier. Right. If you're a guy that loves the team, loves ball. Well, chances are if you don't give a shit, you're probably not that. Like, it typically is all hand in hand. Yeah. Yeah.

Absolutely. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

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and every customer's age-verified warning this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Let's get back to this football weekend recap with Greg Olson on Bustin with the Boys. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new?

Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.

But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas,

title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

Highlights are trending. Opinions are flying. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source.

the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaders to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context,

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And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jen should win. I mean, she went down in three to Rovachina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French, me. And she likes Clay.

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But that's also, we talked about when you walk into a locker room with a team that's like, you know there's a bunch of issues. If you're the Patriots, you're coming off a buy. Mike Variable up until yesterday was undefeated off of a buy week. They lose this game. I'm sure there's a level of like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. We messed it up. We were up 21, 24, 7. We should have put that game away in the second half and we got lazy.

And there's a new fire that's taking place in province. Yeah, it's probably the best thing that happened to the Patriots this season. Dude. Hey, I got a question, though, for Will. When did the momentum of that game switch? Right out of the second half. Yeah. Right out of the second half when they took the kickoff back and it's like they went and scored.

Explain that to me how you're up 21 and you have all the momentum and then you lose. I don't get it. God damn. Handle yourself, bro. There's nothing. Greg's right. No, he's not. And tell him why.

You're talking about when the Buffalo Bills came out. You're talking about coming out of halftime. Yeah, coming out of half time. After adjustments were made, understanding that the momentum is all in the Patriots side, we need to string plays together. Ralling the boys together, light and a fire. Hey, we're going to come out. Offense, we're getting this ball.

We're getting this ball. No, no, no, no. The game plan we walked in with is clearly not the game plan we needed to win. We've seen the plays. This is how we make our adjustments. They're also making adjustments. The good thing about being down at halftime is you understand your game plan needs to change.

When you're up by as much as the Patriots are, they're not looking with a critical eye being like, we need to change X, Y, and Z because everything they have is working. Bills made changes. Momentum is a series by series, case by case. You can break down all of it. I'm glad.

It's like a fighter. When the bell rings, you make it to the end of the run. You can recreate some momentum in that corner. Right. But it sounds like, how do you guys are talking about? It sounds, to me, it sounds like you guys are talking execution, right?

Game plan and plays and the ability, That's what it sounds like to me, not emotion and vibes and feel. That's what I'm hearing. Am I wrong? You are absolutely right. And you'll know this. It all goes completely hand in hand. When you have a game plan and you execute that game plan,

that momentum rises and so do the vibes. Believe starts to take place. When you're getting that ass beat by three touchdowns and you got people tweeting, oh, the Patriots week schedule, the haters are sick right now type of stuff, you feel a little more confident. Now the bills come on like shit that. Okay, it really is just a two-score game. Then they go three and out.

Now you're feeling momentum build. Hey, they're not as great as we think they are. We're all making each on these points. Hey, can I ask you? I know I'm trolling. Can I ask one more question? Go ahead. Sorry, go ahead.

No, go ahead. Well, sorry, go ahead. I was going to say when Greg sitting there talking about feeling, vibes, emotion, that's what I was feeling when I put that tweet out. And I didn't see it flip it on me like that whatsoever. I truly did. I truly did it. I didn't see your tweet.

There's been so many tweets I've had. So it went 20. 21 nothing. What did you say? I didn't see it. I said... I have it right here. This is 21 hours ago.

So we are right around the... Right about half time. The Patriots quote weak schedule. Haters are sick watching this ass beating on the Buffalo Bills. Yeah. And then they turn it around, come back. I end up having to make a threat of it posting the Simbo running from the stampede as the Buffalo Bills were coming back.

Momentumum. Momentum's everything. Yeah. Hey, can I ask another question, though? And I'm genuinely, this is a genuine question. So the Thursday night game, Atlanta's down 14, they score, they go for two, they fail. Yeah. They get the interception.

They get the ball. They go back down and score again. So they've scored back-to-back touchdowns, had all the momentum, failed the second point after try. I was told the second point after try, especially after scoring two touchdowns, everyone's feeling so much better. You're more likely to get it. Obviously didn't happen. They missed them both.

The 15 conversation after the Philly game, I was told that you should go for two after the second touchdown because after scoring two touchdowns in a row, you've got all the momentum. You're more likely to convert the two point. Didn't happen. I was also told that after not tying the game, like they would have with the two kicks, they would have tied the game, the defense was not going to play as motivated and was not going to be as the urgency was not going to be there because instead of being tied on losing, they went out, got the ball right back, and they went down and kicked the field goal.

So I guess I'm just trying to understand why they kept playing hard despite not tying the game, despite having all the momentum, they failed the two-point try. I'm just trying to keep track when the emotions mattered, when the emotions mattered, when the execution mattered, when the vibes were good, bad. It's hard for me to keep track of it. Here's what I'll say, Greg. You won this week. You won this battle.

The war continues. There will be situations now. We'll be right back here and I'll get to do the same type of trolling you're doing to me right now. No, no, I will say you win this week. I'm not judging the outcome. No, no, no. See, here's the difference. I'm not saying that I'm right because.

they won the game. I'm laying in bed and like you, I'm getting fired on Twitter because people like, where's Olson now going for two? They're going to lose. And I'm sitting there like, I would still go for two down 14. They didn't. And they're probably going to lose. And this definitely is on the other camp side anecdotally. See, because again, we want to judge the result instead of what's actually happened. Here's the reality of all this. If you're down 14, 15, 13, any, you're probably going to lose more times than not anyway. So yes, more chances than not, you're going to lose the game. And then you guys see, it was a stupid decision. Being down 14 is not a great strategy. Being down 15 is not a great strategy. They happen to win the game. And that's my

entire point. The emot to put, to say that teams are trying less hard, more hard, I scored two touchdown, so I'm going to get the two versus my first touchdown. The defense is no longer tired, but I thought they were so tired. They're on their heels. They're reeling. They're sucking wind. We talk all these cliches. All I'm simply saying is, I'm not debating that we all haven't felt these things. We all do as humans. I'm just saying they don't matter. Yeah, gosh. Can I just say, Greg, having you on this show every Monday? That was a master class. It was a master class. And he Vaughn us at the end of it too. I don't know what that means.

Vince Vaughn, they're sucking win, they're not sucking when, the defense is tired, but are they really tired? Now, we're sitting here and we're thinking, is everybody actually just tired

and it's actually just equalized? He got me to say he won, but he's like, that doesn't even matter. He got me focused on something else. No, no, I'm not even talking about that. Yeah.

And then goes on, you know, finishes it off by putting me in a chair and buckling me in. Right, and give you a little kiss on the cheek. You want some snacks? I want to do it again. Don't do it again.

Hey, Hey, hey, hey, you did it. And you did a great job of it. And I will say, like, what I was going to say before we jumped into all that was is having you on Mondays has, like, changed the way I've watched end of games to where I'm, I'm leaning on the side of Olson camp, like, hey, does motivation, momentum, all these things, doesn't really matter when it's like you're down by 14, you score touch end, you go for two because you're much more likely to get 50% than 100%.

So you might as well try to go for it once. question of the game right 30 we're talking about the buffalo bills and the Patriots it's 35 31 I literally took a photo of this and I was like I got to ask what he would do in the situation I can't wait I didn't catch that game so you know what pishes me off too and we got to figure this out I don't have your number I'll I've multiple times been like great I need to be on I'm hey let's get a group check going and I've honestly won to ask that but a place me is embarrassed and we've gone this long I bench press I bench press last week boys woke up very sore no shit 1 85 for reps how many not enough

I'm brother it may it's been over a month and I've worked out three times okay 3531 now the Patriot who's winning the bills are now

beating the Patriots so the Patriots were up at one point momentum the whole thing we're still talking about that got it it's 3531

the Patriots are on let's say the 30 yard line the bills 30 yard line so if they don't get a first down here it's essentially the game is over there's five minutes and 19 seconds left it's fourth and 12.

Are you going to go for it in this situation and define the game, or is that way out of hand at this point? You're on the plus, you're on the plus 30. You're on the minus side. So the Patriots, if they turn the ball over.

If the Patriots turn the ball over, go ahead. Yeah, so they turned it over on downs on the minus 30, down four. Right. They went for fourth and 12 and failed. They did not go for it. They ended up punting it away. And when they're punting it away,

I'm thinking, okay, the bills at this, point in this half have scored so much over you and have come from this. What happened? What did the bills do when they got the ball? The bills end up going, they end up not scoring and the Patriots get the, get the ball again. They get the ball again. They have a two minute. They fail. They end up losing the game anyway. I think the result of the game was the same score. 35, 31. I'll have to look at it. So was this. I'm trying to pull it up. All right. So this was the punt. So they punted.

Fourth and 12. The Patriots punted fourth and 12. I think they're on like the 30 yard line, but they're not going in, they're coming out. So on their own 30, yeah. Fourth and 12 at the 25. And you're, it's five, five, 19 left. The bills have essentially- The bills have scored like, you know,

35 to or whatever, 28 to three in the second half. So you're saying by punting this ball away, we're, I think they're taking a knee based on your logic because they're gonna go down and score again, or they're gonna be able to keep, kind of doing what they've been doing to you with the score this high. Or at the very least, they don't score, but they just get you under the two-minute warning.

They bleed you out, the run game. So by being only up four there, now, fourth and 12 sucks. That's a shitty one. It's a shitty one, right? So, like, that's probably the one asterisk. I'm probably still going for it, and here's why. I'm going to speed up you scoring on me, right? I haven't stopped you.

You've got 35 points. I can't stop a soul. you've scored 35 damn near unanswered. I'm being down four. I'm not afraid I'll give my chances to go for fourth down to maintain possession. If I fail, you're probably going to go run, run, run, kick a field goal to go up seven. So obviously I can't let you score a touchdown of the game's over. But I'm saying, okay, short field, we narrow it down.

You're trying to bleed clock. You're trying to at least say, I got to come away here with three points. How aggressive are you going to be? are you really going to go for the death shot? Are you going to be okay kicking a field goal? I'm probably okay taking my chances because I can still keep it a one possession game at seven. If I'm trailing there by six,

now the math turns into, okay, I let you score now, it turns into a two possession game, but if I punt it back to you and you bleed too much clock and still kick a field goal, now I really don't have a chance. So all those situations,

my brain says you got to maintain possession, even if you give New England the ball on the short field, then you've got to hold them to a field goal, does Maine Town 7 and give the ball back to Drake May? You punt it away. Did they go three and out and get the ball right back? I don't know if it was three and out, but they had the ball, I think, either right before or right after two more. You can't plan that you're going to get a free out. They got the ball back. But okay, does it, I didn't, I didn't mention this. It would be unfair to you to not bring it up. They have all, Patriots have all their timeouts. Assuming they have all their timeouts.

Have all their timeouts. Brable's, yeah. So they have all their timeouts. It's fourth and 12. You're backed up on like your 25. I'm not giving the ball back to Josh Allen at all. Right. You don't want to.

So you want to go for the fourth and 12th. He scored 35 on me. I'm going to do everything in my power to maintain possession of the ball. Okay. I'm punt, dude. I know you are. But let's go fourth and 12. Fourth and 12, they don't get it.

Okay. So now you're the bills. You're essentially in your red zone. fringe area and I hate that I can't remember the exact yard line they were on. They ain't kicking field. If you, yeah, I'm saying, do you say we're either going to be up by four or up by 11? Or is it we're going to take the three? Because in my mind, based on your logic, if I'm picking up everything, is this is not a kick

a field goal situation even though we're in it because the amount of touchdowns or the amount of scores it takes is still the same regardless. Yeah, it's a great point, right? Anticipating what is the track record of your opponent is a huge element of how they build all these models. And I think it's a really important nuance. So when each team sets these scenarios up in these big books that these guys have upstairs where this is all planned out what we do in every scenario, each week the math does change a little bit. Everyone has this all with it's just blanket mathematics that it doesn't apply to you because your right

guard is out or your left tackle is not good or your quarterback is hurt. It absolutely takes all that into account. It takes into account the team you're playing against. If I'm playing against Dan Campbell, I have to really sit down all week and say, okay, he's going to really be aggressive on fourth down. He's not going to settle for field goals. He's going to play a certain way. How am I willing to alter my strategy that I don't fall too far behind and I lose too many possessions? So a big evaluation there for Vrable has to be, okay, I fail here and I give the ball back to McDermott and Joe Brady. Aside from them wanting to bleed clock, make me start burning through my timeouts,

If I'm McDermott, I don't love the idea being up seven because more often than not, if you do go down and score, you're probably going to go for two. Now, with the new overtime rules, I'll be curious to see how this plays out over long periods of time. In the old days, you went for two and you just said, I got a chance to win the game. I'm either going to win or lose in regulation. Now there is an argument with the new each team possessing the ball. Maybe that does shift the decision making. I don't think we've seen enough quantity of attempts for it to really flush out how teams handle end of regulation, go for two or kick an extra point. But yes, if it's me, I'm in four down mode unless it's fourth and 15.

And I'm saying I'm scoring a touchdown at all costs to, in essence, make this a two-score game and you don't have enough time to have the ball twice. So there's a lot of my decisions and the anticipation of what you have to do. That's a really unique situation. the fourth and 12 is what gives me a little pause. That's what that when I saw the fourth or 12, I'm really curious to see. My odds are just not great converting that. So fourth and seven or under, I'm saying all day.

I'm going to try to maintain possession. Fourth and 12, I could probably make a great argument that punting might be the right move. Do I think McDermott's thinking four-down mode or do I think he feels better going from four to seven? probably. I think, again, we talk about this a lot. There's a psychology there where, let's say

McDermott gets the ball. This is a fun kind of exercise because you talk about the post-game press conference. You guys know how I feel about that, shaping a lot of decisions. Let's say that scenario plays out. They go for it, fail, give the ball back to Buffalo. Buffalo gets the fourth and four and goes for it and fails. And they go the length of the field and Drake May

walks you off and they win. What's an easier post-game press conference? That, or you kick a field goal, Drake May goes down, scores a touchdown, gets the two-point conversion and beat you or forces overtime and beat you. The easier ones. What's the hardest? The hardest. Those are easier.

Those are easier. Hey, we got to get better. Our two-minute drive, we gave ourselves a chance. We competed right till the end. It came right down to the last play of the game. we're right there, right? There's this false notion that that way of losing feels better than I passed up a field goal and now I opened myself up to just losing flat out.

That's a harder explanation for a coach to face, which is why a lot of these coaches are going to error towards kick the field goal, go up seven, and you know what, if we don't win, our players need to be better. This is on the, we got to be better on defense. We got to be better in two minute, right? Like that's, that's the human nature of all of this. So I think that's a great scenario because both teams theoretically could have had really interesting decisions based on what the other team did. So very good decision, very good example, Taylor.

Yeah, I appreciate that. I think, but this is also where I understand your mindset and everything when it comes to, you know, play calling and all that, but momentum doesn't matter. If you look at the second half I'm not saying it doesn't matter I'm not saying it doesn't matter It's not much of a factor But if I'm able And I have not stopped the bills at all

The entire second half And my only score in the second half Was an explosive run play by Hendrick Hendrickson or Henderson Henderson, thank you So essentially my offense has been non-existent in the second half I'm based on all of our carversies that we had

I'm thinking fourth and 12 You've got to go for it Because regardless, you would think when they, I don't think everybody's at this new way of thinking yet, where they're going to run, run, run, kick the three. And now nothing's changed about the game. It's still a one-score game. Yeah. Here's their second half possessions for the Patriots.

Three plays minus six yards. Seven plays, interception. One 65-yard touchdown. Three plays minus seven punt. Four plays, five yards. Downs. That was their second half possessions. Golly.

Yeah, so that's where. And here was Buffalo. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. Punt. Neal.

God. So that's where momentum in my mind is a huge, is a big factor. It's like the team. Well, is it momentum? Or is it just why do I want to give the team to the better offense? Give the ball to the offense with the best player in the league who I can't stop. Yeah. I have a new scenario for you.

Love it. No, this is, I'm very curious. Let's say there's less than four minutes left, or you're getting toward the end of the game. I want to say this happened in a situation yesterday. I can't recall which game it was. But the team scores to go up their six points now gives them a seven point lead before the extra point.

Extra point gives them an eight point lead. My question is, in that situation, why would you not think about going for two to make it a nine point game? So that way you're getting a true two possession game. Which game was that? I saw somebody sent me it on Twitter. I want to say I see somebody else walk or post about it too. I want to say, because I want to shout out the boy.

I think it's a I saw somebody asking this. Gosh, damn it. Jake Malasak, Jake Malicek with John Gruden. Yeah. Over at Barstall. He was asking the same thing. and I've been curious about that as well. All right, so here's my approach on that.

And it's a valid point, right? Being up eight versus being up nine. Once you go up nine, it's a must two possession game, right? You have to score twice. An eight point game is a one-score game. Call it half the time. Right? So at eight points, you have any chance of it being a one-score game.

It's not a guaranteed one-score game. You could need two possessions. At nine points, you obviously need. two possessions. I want to say there was like eight or nine minutes to go in that game when they kicked the extra point. If I'm not mistaken, you can fact check me there. Okay. So my typical perspective is at eight or nine, with eight or nine minutes, you're going to give your opponent at least two possessions. So just the score at this point in the game, you start talking about how many possessions in a new, in a regular game, no onside kick and all that, how many

possessions is your opponent going to get? If it's at a point of the game where say you're under the two-minute warning and I'm the underdog and it's Josh Allen and he's my opponent, do I want to give the ball to Josh Allen with down eight or do I want to just make this nine and say he could be Josh Allen and he can go down there and score on me. He has to score onside kick, get it, score again. The odds of me, I feel a lot more comfortable defending that lead. in those situations. But there's a time element, right? Putting Josh Allen down by nine with the risk of only being seven. Trying to put him down by nine. Because again, if the offense gets a ball back,

they could just go from two at the end and then they could get you because again, you're only up by seven. Correct. So that's where the time element comes in and changes a lot of these factors, right? You go back to our, the thing that started all this craziness was the down 15 of Philadelphia. I would make an argument if you're down 15 and you're at a point of a game where you have to onside kick anyway, right? Because there's a minute 30 left when you score. I'm kicking an extra point because no matter what, I'm still taking the onside kick after that score. Even if I'm down eight, I still have to onside kick to get the ball back because there's only a minute 30. I'm not going to be able to get the ball back with any meaningful time to go down to score.

Now, that scenario there was like just under four minutes. If I get the two point conversion, I don't have to onside kick, right? Because I'm only down seven. I have my three timeouts plus the two minute warning. I'm going to kick it deep. So a lot of these decision making in those scenarios are very time dependent. The less time, right, it's teams when to go for two to win the game and when to kick the extra point to tie the game.

So it was the Panthers game yesterday. They're up 1710. New Orleans goes down. to score a touchdown. But they only kicked the extra point to make it 17-17. If there was 30 seconds left in that game, that's a much different conversation.

Now, if I go for two, I win in regulation and virtually the game is over because you've got 30 seconds and no timeouts. But there was a lot of time left. It was on the plus side of the two-minute warning. I want to say they gave the ball back to Carolina with like 230 on the clock. You're better off being tied

with 2.30 on the clock, then even being up one, because now what does being up one do? It puts Bryce Young into four-down mode, hyper-aggressive to go down to beat you. What did Carolina do? It was tied. They went incomplete, incomplete. He was able to scramble for a first down. Long story short, they took a sack. They punted it back to you.

Now, New Orleans went down on the game-winning drive. So all of these situations, whether it's going up eight versus nine, whether it's going for two early, whether it's going for two to win the game in regulation, take a lead or tie it. Time is a critical element come the back half of the fourth quarter. Got you. So is there a cutoff in your brain when there was eight, nine minutes left? And this, again, I forget which game it was, but this team kicks up to go up eight instead of thinking about going for two to make it nine points. Is there a cut off to where it's like, hey, I'm going to try and get nine points in this situation.

I don't think you have the timeouts, the two-minute warning. Time-outs, how many times can you stop the clock? Two-minute warning, timeouts. And what is the likelihood of you possessing the ball? And without getting an on-side kick, without something crazy happening, what is the chances in a normal flow game of you possessing the ball two more times? If the likelihood is that you're going to possess the ball two more times, it's not as valuable.

I'm better off being up eight, kick the extra point to be up eight. where at least you can't beat me in a one possession game, you can only at best tie me and 50% of the time you're going to still lose to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if I can make it nine,

you have to touch the ball twice. Yeah. Do you have enough time for that to happen without a 5% chance of an onside kick? That's where my head goes making those decisions. Gotcha. And who am I kicking the ball back to? Right.

A lot of variables. Am I kicking the ball back to a team that can't score worth the shit? Or am I kicking the ball back to a team that scored four touchdowns in a row on me like Buffalo? Yeah. It's really these conversations show like as I've gotten more and more out of the league, I've realized how important coaching is. And I know it's a weird thing to say, but like as a player, I think we live in this like world of like brainwashing.

Like we're going to get it done for the boys, especially in college. Like you're like, hey, we can win every single game because of grit and spit and the whole thing. And then as you get far, and farther removed, do you realize how these little moments in games, how critically important they are? And it's just, it's dude, it's so fascinating to like be 34 years old, three years out of the league and like still like being like, yo, this is insane. I didn't even know this when I was playing. How important this was. Did you see the Mike McDonald interview after the game? Everyone's talking a lot about it, about him using those timeouts.

Indianapolis had the ball before they went down to take the go ahead field goal. they asked Mike McDonald about how did you squeeze out another possession and you ended up giving yourself another opportunity to go answer the field goal which eventually walked off Indy and he talked about his analytics guy and how they built these and he mentioned the guy by name and the guy's like hey you and we've said this a thousand times on broadcast so it's nice to now hear these coaches say it in post game interviews for now everybody to cover it you always use your timeouts on defense you always use your timeouts on defense because I can't stop the clock on defense like I can on offense. And by doing that, you hear these coaches all the time say, oh, save one for the kick, save one for your offense.

You're better off having more time with no timeouts than less time with more timeouts as an offense. So they burn time out, time out, time out. They end up kicking a field goal. You get the ball back with no timeouts. but I can stop the clock. I can clock it. I can throw it out of bounds. There's a million ways for me to do it.

If they would have said, oh, we've got to save a timeout for the field goal. We've got to save a timeout for the offense. That time is way more valuable to your offense than that one timeout. And Mike McDonald played it perfectly, called all of his timeouts on the minus side of the two minute warning, all on defense, gave his offense a chance, and they won. Yeah. That wasn't a, that was not an emotional,

the moment decision. That shit was decided four months ago. Yeah. And you have to have a supreme operation offensively because again, defensively, you're trying to protect the sideline more. Of course. It can't get start. It can't get, uh, yeah, the odds. They could have easily, but here's what's funny. He could have done everything the exact same and they don't get in field goal range or Myers misses the kick. And no one after the game is saying, Mike McDonald, you did a great job with your timeouts. Right. The story. is you lost to a 44-year-old quarterback who retired five years ago. So again, we only reward the really good coaches when the outcome benefits them.

Right. But he still did a great job managing the game. The only reason we're talking about it is because they won the game. Right. And because Philip Rivers was playing them, that's just absolutely incredible. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

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But you like watching the season, week one in Brazil, they play the, they play the Chargers. they lose. Everyone's like, oh, they'll get back on track. And then as the season's gotten going, they've kind of gone from this like, anytime the chiefs lose, it's like, oh, their offensive line was kind of overpowered and Patrick Mahomes didn't have time to do as much magic. And then later in the season, late November, early December, it turned into, hey, these guys that were so used to making incredible plays, aren't making those plays, whether it's drops, miscues, all these types of things. And then yesterday happens where Patrick Mahomes rolls out to the right, his left leg hyper-execis, It looks like an ACL.

I think it was confirmed by Patrick himself that it is at ACL. Yeah. And we are potentially looking at the last time Kelsey and Mahomes are together. This Chiefs run, you know, there's a lot of question marks taking place. And I don't really know where this conversation is going other than like, this is fucking wild. Yeah. It was tough to even. As a guy who's been like a Chiefs troll, Chiefs hater.

Right. I didn't even feel good feeling celebratory in the Chiefs losing and officially being out of the playoffs because the Bill's won two against New England. that's what knocked them out. Yeah, to see Mahomes go down, bro. It's heartbreaking. And again, it's like another bizarre stat was, I want to say, Tom Brady in his ninth season, towards ACL, they didn't make, New England didn't make the playoffs.

Patrick Mahomes' ninth season in the NFL, tears his ACL, Chiefs didn't make the playoffs. Just a lot of these weird dots getting connected. Is the Chief's dynasty over? Is that the last time we're ever going to see Travis Kelsey on the football field? Patrick Mahomes, just tearing your ACL in fucking December, too. It's just brutal. especially when you're trying to save a season,

it's not likely that you're going to make the playoffs. And they see it happen that way is, yeah, it was shitty, man. So, yeah. Because you're going to be trained in all offseason. You're going to be getting, you know, you're going to be dialed in and locked in. You have to be if you're going to make, what, week one of next year? Yeah, you have to essentially like these next, like,

Greg, you didn't have an ACL? No. Okay, well, the ACL game is this. Like, when you tear your ACL, a lot of times, guys can go get surgery 24, 48 hours later, or sometimes takes guys multiple weeks to go get the surgery and they have to actually exercise the leg

to pump out the swelling because the knee, based on how much swelling, if you have a lot of it, then you have to take time to get that swelling up before you can go. And so every day, week that takes place, like right now we're on that fringe area

where Ken Patrick Mahomes make it eight months from now to week one. And that's going to be the storyline heading into July with the Chiefs with their revamped offensive, whether Kelsey is there or not, what kind of new pieces they've added to it. it's going to be a very interesting offseason

for Patrick Mahomes. Because as a player, you feel like you're up against the clock every 24 hours and go by. And if you could just grab Mahomes and be like, bro, week one does not matter next year. I'm just letting you know, like what matters is making, like go to Elitrosh, head over to L.A., get the job done the way it's supposed to done correctly,

and then just listen to your body all the way through it. Let's not rush the game to week one because we all know how long of a season it is. It just sucks to you because you see all these like distractions coming out of the Mahomes camp the last seven or eight years. And all of the distractions have never been Patrick. It's never been him. It's been this or that or all these other things.

And for it to happen to him just absolutely sucks. Because he is one of the, he's the baby goat right now. And you kind of want them, you kind of want them to, like, you go from being like, I'm kind of relieved that we're seeing a new group of logos in the playoffs to,

I'm kind of saying here being like, I can't wait for this comeback story about Patrick Mahomes. Like going in next year and like winning the day. division and all that like can he do the storybook type of thing. It's just there's such an appreciation for what they've done that even as a competitor, right, like even as someone who's, you know, granted none of us are still playing, but like even when you're playing and you didn't want New England to win or you didn't want indie and you didn't want, you know, we didn't want Denver.

Like there was always those teams, but as it just understanding how hard all of this is. Yeah. You can't help but to have an appreciation for like what these guys have. have done for this long, knowing firsthand how hard it is to get there once, let alone time and time again, you just develop an appreciation where you're like, you know what? Like, yeah, we're not Chiefs fans. We're not, but like, man, you can't not be a Chiefs fan or a Holmes fan or a Kelsey fan and Andy Reid fan more to just respect for how hard it is to do what they've done for

as long as they have when the league is entirely designed to prevent that from happening. The way the schedule, the way the draft order, the way teams get poached talent, coaching staff, the way it's capped, you can't pay everyone. Guys get big contracts off winning teams that they're not even that good, but all of a sudden it's like, I need a piece of the chiefs. I need a piece of the Patriots. And coaches get jobs they wouldn't otherwise get. Players get contracts. They wouldn't otherwise get. Winning is the greatest preventer of future winning.

And it's by design in the NFL. So it's more of that for me. see what Travis has done to see what Kelsey's done. I mean, Mahomes and these guys, like, I just, as a guy who loves football and appreciates how hard it is, I just have a lot of respect for what these guys have done over the last, you know, however many years. Yeah, yeah, just the sickening work ethic and mentality that goes into showing up year and in, you're out, especially when you've been at the top for so long. You can easily, like, lose that edge, you know, drink your own Kool-Aid, all of that stuff. And for them to maintain that dominance for so long.

Yeah, it's definitely an appreciation and respect just for what that kind of success takes. It's weird. It is weird knowing that I've been rooting for the Chief's downfall, and they're actually not in it this year. Actually not in it, and the way they're not in it too. Yeah, yeah. It's almost like not as fun. Part of me that they're not in the playoffs. No, they're not going to make it.

They've been out of it. Even though this week was the last final domino, in my head, they've been out of it. They're not going to make it. But the fact that they're not out of it, there's almost a. little part of me that was hopeful that would they, that they would go on this winning streak and then somehow they make it in the playoffs. Yeah.

And the boogeyman made it to the playoffs. It's kind of, all that error just feels like it's gone. You've won, but at what cost? I know. I know. I know. Like I'm sure a week goes by, I'll start to find my energy again, my juice about it again, but yesterday the way it went down and then the buff, the bills come back because it's like,

the chiefs could lose, but as long as the Patriots win, they still have this little 1%. Like 1%? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Something where you can still kind of kind of just throw salt in the wound. But now that it's officially over, I'm like, this wasn't near as fun as I thought it would. Right, you're the, yeah, it's one of those, you can't celebrate until there's the tweet that comes out by Adam Schaefter saying that Patchmox has had a successful surgery and everything's all good.

And then that's when you can begin your trolling yet again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was a rookie in the NFL, 2014. I was in my eighth year. Eight year in the NFL, that's crazy, dude. We got anything else for Mr. Olson? I don't think so. Let me check it and make sure that, make sure, let's see here.

Yeah, Broncos. I see you got a baseball shirt on. Is that, we're a new season now? No, I just, this was the first. I had a bad flight coming home from Philly. I had like a four and a half hour delay. So I got home late, woke up early. This was the first T-shirt, just chucked it on.

It's the kid's school. How much longer is your contract with Fox? Like how many more years? Next year is my last year. Perfect. Perfect. Negotiations. You do an incredible job.

There's no doubt that you have all the leverage in the world. When you negotiate, when you negotiate, it's going to be, hey, that's great. We'll take this money. That sounds awesome. Last thing before we do anything, I need a private jet to all these things. That would be amazing. That's the move, dude. It's the ultimate game changer, man.

It's either allocate a certain amount of money in your funds. be like this does like the way our brains work is we take some allocation we're like it's like we'd never even made that because we're able to get back to our families faster and if you can do shit they with fox you got to do it 18 18 weeks in a row that shit adds up if you flew private if my schedule I'm just making this up if I flew private both ways for so 19 weeks because I got a playoff game this year so 18 plus the playoffs so if I did it 19 weekends it's probably a million bucks yeah you got to find that number and if you need us too if you need us to kind of lift, like, hey, I got an offer on the table right now,

busting with the points. Yeah, that's the leverage it up. That's fair. Yeah. Just let us know. How do you, do you guys pay well? We're more of helping leverage. We're so if like, if Fox is like, hey, we'll pay you $5.

We'll be like, hey, we're going to pay you $10. And they'll be like, fuck, we'll pay you seven. Boom. You got them. You know, we can be your agents. Could you pay $10? Dollars? Yes.

Do you have 10? Could you afford 10? Got it. That's good to know. $10. That's what I mean. If there's like a letter attached to it. I was speaking dollars.

Vick, yes. If you want to come work for bus for a year like you guys. Will. Yeah. If you want to come work for bus with the boys, I can guarantee you $10. And I,

you know what, dude? I'll make it 11. Is the bus wide enough for an extra seat? This one right here. Yeah, tell you well, we get you full time.

We can talk shop. Yeah. Oh, we can talk shop. We don't have, we're not even going to have the cameras on. We're just get talk shop. Yeah, we can just talk shop.

Yeah. If you, where Greg Olson wants to be a part of the bus with the boys. I wish you guys lived close because once a week I got like a group of buddies more so in the offseason because some of them are still playing. And my club we live on here, the men's grill is like my favorite place. I always joke like it's literally my favorite place outside of my house in the world is the men's grill at our club.

Bartenders, you're sitting there. There's games on TVs, food. It's just a great vibe. It's a great group of guys. So we have like a weekly offseason. We're like a handful of the guys we go there. And we're like, we're going to meet there at 11.

And next to you know, it's like 3.30. I'm like texting my wife. Hey, I'm not going to be able to get the kids from carp pool. Meanwhile, we're talking about complete nonsense, like hiring cycles of the NFL, the new salary.

I mean, just we are covering pretty much the shit we talk about on here. It is my favorite thing in the world to go hang with the boys and just talk. whatever. Yeah, man. It sounds like a podcast in the making. I know.

It's the fucking best. Hey, Greg's got a year left. We got to start, you know. Great, yeah, your left, dude, just keep in mind, busts with the boys. We're going to throw a hat in the ring. Love it. Fox, you could put on notice. You're going to put on notice, dude.

All right. I appreciate you guys. My last question, what do you make of the emotion going into Josh Allen, potentially being the MVP frontrunner for the NFL? I feel like that, obviously he's going to be in the conversation. But I'm sitting here, like I saw Danny. He'll be like, Josh Allen's the MVP. right now. After the couple weeks that he's had

December, I get playing late, like he's the guy that's got it all on his shoulders doing less or doing more with less, yada, yada, yada, yada. But I'm sitting here, it's like, are we really going to get this close to one of the better years that Matt Staffers ever had where he's got, what, 35 touchdowns right now. I think a lot's going to be how, I think a lot's now remind me, when does the voting end?

It's before the Super Bowl. But it's during the playoffs. The playoffs count, right? Yes. That's what I thought. They say it doesn't, but it does. Yeah. Super Bowl does not. Super Bowl does not count. I think it's going to all depend on, right? I think it literally could come down to.

And again, I think the Rams are nasty. I'm speaking hypotheticals. I'm a huge Stafford guy. You guys know that. Hypothetically, they lost in the divisional round to whoever. And Josh Allen gets over the hump and he makes the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, that's over.

So, again, I think the team element come play. playoffs is going to be a huge differentiating factor because outside of Josh and I guess Stafford. But as far as like the usual suspects that are in that MVP race, no Lamar, no Moe Holmes, like the usual suspects, the only one left of those names is Josh Allen. And then you got Stafford. And then Drake May is like the new kid on the block who's kind of lingering and maybe he's an aFC championship win away from him winning it. So I do think the playoff team result is going to be a factor.

But if you told me that Josh Allen's getting ready to play in the Super Bowl and those other guys who had amazing seasons are done and he's getting ready to play the Seahawks, if he's getting ready to play the Seahawks, I'm probably making the argument that Josh Allen's the MVP as well because he got that roster, he got that team to the Super Bowl. It's probably more impressive than what he did last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I understand what you're saying.

It would be hard to argue that. I'm just as we start to, and again, Josh Allen's definitely closing the gap. And I know stats are not everything. I do think Josh Allen is, he is one of the best players, if not the best player in the NFL. But I'm sitting here and I'm looking at how much Kool-Aid we're drinking with this MVP race, with Josh Allen making all like closing the gap this much. And I'm sitting here, I'm like, dude, we just can't, like Stafford is thrown for 3,700 yards. He's the MVP right now.

Yeah, 37 touchdowns, five interceptions. Josh Allen's got 25 to 10. I know stats are not everything. I'm just, man, we cannot. Like, I feel like Stafford gets so close all these years and the fact that he's this far above. Not like that far above. Like, the gap is not insanely wide,

but where he's kind of sitting compared to everybody else who's in the conversation, I'm like, I would hate to just see Stafford get cucked when he's right there. He could easily have the MVP trophy. Yeah. Stafford's got to win one playoff game. I think you will.

And I think he wins it. So again, it could. That could mean an NFC championship, right? Because he could get the buy. Thursday's going to be huge. He could get the buy. If he wins the divisional round, he's in the conference championship. I think winner lose, he's the MVP.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm not saying Stafford right now if I had a vote, he'd be my vote. I'm just saying, we all know how this works. An early exit by Rams, even if Stafford plays well, an early exit by the Rams and a Super Bowl run by the Bills, Yeah It's gonna factor in Right or wrong Right or wrong

Right. Rams Bill Super Bowl would be That'd be sick Sick That would be awesome All right Greg you're the man bro Let's give great your applause

Appreciate Gregia Thank you very much brother Great show What a show man Great show Hard goes out to my homes dude Hard goes out to my homes Travis

It's like I'm sitting there You know I'm like I see Mahomes post I'm like I'm just seeing cheese fans come in like fuck you you wanted this blah blah i'm like dude like i'm here for the entertainment side of trolling like i enjoy like i you know this back and forth in the anti-cheas i absolutely enjoy to pour salt on the wound but something that's real like this like i never want anybody to

get a hundred percent and i think the logical human beings out there understand that the people that have followed tom for a long time yeah i hate on the internet comes yeah you know you see this michigan stuff right now i'm just getting strays everywhere I'm getting bullets everywhere. The house is burning down on the Michigan stuff. And you're like, and you're the problem too. I'm like, whoa. Fucking, what are we doing here?

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