Bussin' With The Boys - NFL Week 16 Reaction: Drake Maye Or Matthew Stafford For MVP? Are The Bears A Super Bowl Contender?

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

On this Monday NFL Football recap, Will Compton and Taylor Lewan are joined by Greg Olsen to break down all the biggest storylines from Week 16 of the NFL season. Greg and the boys start with the Philadelphia Eagles getting back on track after wins over the Raiders and Commanders, debating whether Philly has what it takes to make a Super Bowl run. From there, they zoom out to the NFC as a whole and why the conference feels wide open with multiple teams capable of making a deep playoff push. One of those teams is the Chicago Bears, as the guys discuss rookie quarterback Caleb Williams and head coach Ben Johnson, along with the Bears’ future outlook. They also break down Rams vs. Seahawks, the controversial officiating moments from Lions vs. Steelers, and Ravens vs. Patriots, where Drake Maye and New England picked up another big win. To close things out, the conversation turns to the MVP race, including Matthew Stafford and Drake Maye, plus a deeper discussion on the standout quarterback draft class featuring Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix, and Drake Maye. Full breakdowns, hot takes, and NFL storytelling...enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What'd you have to, dude? Sorry, I was trying to find my, um, air, my headphones. What's up? How are you guys? We're doing great, man. Our first question as a bus that we're very curious and knowing with you is, what's your favorite color? Blue.

All right. You want to say go blue? Hey, you really shut the haters up with that one. Why? We just, we just want, hey, it's a segment called Get to Know Greg. Get to know Greg. Well, I feel like I'm walking into something. You're not walking into anything.

Nothing. We just know that. We know that your favorite color is blue now. all right well i'm glad we settled that can you did your guys my entire timeline during NFL football games is people talking shit about momentum by the way and i literally smart like i i'm now like searching the word momentum to see how many of them are related to like our conversations on here it makes me so happy to be chirped by the internet.

It'd be like, can't wait until Olson's on with Bustin and we could talk about all the momentum that Seattle had or like the ramps. It was, it is magical moments on the internet. It is.

Did you watch any of the college football? I know your NFL guy. Did you watch Oklahoma, Alabama? I watched Oklahoma, Alabama. A lot of momentum. A lot of momentum got shifting. All Alabama needed was that one toss out to their sideline.

All of a sudden momentum shifted. It's just, you know, there was so many, so much momentum playing out, so much momentuming. I guess the part that I just have a hard time. And again, I'm very open-minded to being taught and I'll change my ways. It's very hard for me to believe like, why when I have all the momentum do you guys take it back so easily and then give it back to me?

It's a fickle thing. Because it's funny. People trying to acquire momentum, they're waiting for that opportunity to strike to regarner the momentum. Yeah, yeah. Fair. That's true. Yeah.

No, it's a great point. I think college football, there's much more of an argument that we can stand on for momentum. The young psyche of a young man, hardly even able to drink. Momentum goes a long way. Who had the momentum in the Miami game? My, neither. Defense. Neither.

Neither. Because I'm playing the game back in my head, dude. And it's like Miami could have won that game by multiple scores. Oh, my God. They just won four field goals. Four field goals. Tony got tripped by his toenail on that. By the way, he's awesome.

Unbelievable. On that punt return and then we didn't get any points. Yeah, I would say that's probably a fair assessment of that game. But Miami, man, we're back. You guys are back. We've been saying the U is back for like 10 years. College football playoff win. Going to play Ohio State.

I mean, yeah, go play Ohio State. The Cotton Bowl feels back. Yeah. Do you feel like Miami has a chance against Ohio State? Yeah. I think you always have a chance, right? I think at this stage, the teams that are all left, I think the defense is really good.

I think our defensive coordinator is stud. You know, obviously I'm a huge Mario guy just because, for me for a lot of reasons, but we go way back. I mean, I've known Mario since I was a freshman in high school. He coached me, recruited me at multi-me. We have a good friendship and go way back. So obviously, I always root for Miami. for Mario specifically.

But yeah, man, I think we got a shot. I'm also a big Ryan Day guy. And, you know, here's what I will say about my fandom. And then we can talk about whatever it's your show. I'll just get all this off my chest. Obviously, I always pull for Miami. I'm a Miami guy, met my wife there, Miami household. My kids love it.

So, like, we've always supported Miami, good, bad, indifference since I left. But I'm more, and I'm more. more at all levels. I root for people. Like when Mario Cristobal was the head coach at Oregon, I was an Oregon guy. Like I root. I love Ryan Day. And right now he's the coach at Ohio State. I like Ryan as a guy. I've gotten to know him as a friend. Like I want, now, I want Miami to win. Don't get me wrong. But I root for Ryan Day. If Ryan Day and woke up tomorrow and he was the head coach at Michigan, he was the head coach at Nebraska, I would still root for those schools. So I like follow people more than I do schools or teams, but that's just my approach.

Yeah, I like that. Outside of Miami. Yeah, obviously. No, I share a lot of that too. I'll say this. Ryan Day is not being considered for the Michigan job. He's not up for it. Who is Michigan going to hire?

That's not going great. Buddy, I know, I know. And I'll be honest, like completely on. It's a shit show. It's, I think like right now, if the strategy was, wait for DeBoar or Dillingham or if you can't get DeBore at Dillingham, you can't base a top five programs head coach off of possible results going one way or the other. It's just a foundationally, it's a bad move. And I personally believe, like, if you are a top five school, you need to always have that get out of jail free card that,

hey, our chest move in the background in case something like what has happened at Michigan. Like, if you have a guy that loses his job, goes on a mental breakdown, the whole thing, allegedly, allegedly, you do that like that. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, can you hear me? Can you hear us? I lost your sound. Do you, baby? That he's blaming you.

He might be faking it. Like he's like, I hear you guys talking about Michigan. Let me just. Yeah, yeah, let me mute this. I can't. No, I, going back to.

What were you saying about Michigan? It's a shit show. And I think that like strategically you can't, you can't be, hey, if this happens, then this. Kind of result-based, if you're a top-five program. I'm a little disappointed. point in the fact that you didn't have like in your back pocket like hey if something ever happens we got this guy this guy and this guy that we know hey they're aware we're aware back channels the

whole thing we had at ogeron on he's meeting guys at a gas station in the middle of louisiana knowing that he's going to be the interim head coach three days before it happens like that's a kind of that's a kind of backdoor stuff i need going on in my school so that we can kind of figure everything out now clearly there's a lot of bigger issues out there but deboror wins and dilliam signs an extension In my mind, the entire Michigan plan just got birds. Do you really think Kaylon DeBore if they would have lost that game to Oklahoma? You really think he'd lead Alabama from Michigan? So I think in a vacuum, just that statement is no.

I think if there's a lot of things going on behind the scenes that made me believe, oh, this is a real possibility. But I think if you just said, hey, do you think the head coach of Alabama would leave to go to Michigan? I think it's clear the answer is no. But then you put in a bunch of factors that people are saying question marks behind the scenes. It's like if these three things happen, then you see it. That's where I started to have some level of belief. But once they beat Oklahoma, it was like, all right, yeah, that's on life support, that whole thought process.

If I'm Michigan and your two guys are DeBore and Dillingham and then the rest of the pack, because there's plenty of good coaches out there. I know Whittingham from Utah, his name is now like coming the fold. He's a fantastic coach with the limited resources. but if your mission, you're like, it's these two than everybody else, and I'm of the mind frame of you need to stick with the interim head coach. Foundationally, find yourself a president, start to heal from a PR standpoint, the mistakes that Michigan's clearly made in the last few years,

and do it the right way. Because if you just get a guy to get a guy, you're putting a band-aid on a bigger wound, and it's just going to be an issue in 28, 2930 and beyond. The Dillingham thing to me is interesting, right? So he signs the extension, and obviously I know his roots and ties to Arizona State, but he then at his press conference where everyone's excited,

he's signed an extension, he's not leaving for another job, and he's like, hey, I need somebody in Arizona that can cut a $20 million check. If we don't cut a $20 million check, I can't win, I can't compete.

So I'm thinking to myself, like at Michigan, you could have five guys write $20 million checks. I mean, the money is completely not even the problem at all. Yeah, No, it's infinite over there. They gave Bryce Underwood $10 million.

So if you know money is an issue and you know that's what it takes to compete, why not take the Michigan job unless that Michigan job is just such a disaster? And you're just walking into such a shitstorm that it's not the time to take it is all I can think of. Yeah, everything you just said is the fear that goes in the frame of mind of a Michigan fan of Michigan alum. Yeah. Is like, if you were really a top five coach, are you looking at that situation? going, let me be the guy that walks into that. Because it is scary.

And for me, it's like, everyone's willing, like, the AD of Michigan says, I'm willing to open up the checkbook for the next head coach of Michigan. And if you're Dillingham and your heart's truly in Arizona, sign a 10-year deal, spend a decade in Ann Arbor, get us a couple of Natty's. And then guess what? The ASU job's probably going to be open. That's not going to be like, oh, we hope so. Like, that has more of a roll of decks of new coaches every few years anyway.

You need a guy like Gillingham. It's going to be interesting to see who they get, man. Last thing on the momentum. Last thing on momentum. I mean, the Panthers take down Tampa Bay, and it was kind of wishy-washy until some guy walks out, starts beating the drum and completely changes the momentum for the Panthers. What's that about? That is where momentum is real.

When I banged the drum and that place came alive and I gave just a nice casual, it's not about me, but it is about me. Prom queen. for me, but we are here for me. I'm not saying who's saying it. People have said this. That place hasn't been that packed in years. Whether it's a correlation, you know, causation correlation to the guy banging the drum,

I guess we'll never know. But all I know is that place came to life and we win a huge division game at home to keep our playoff hopes alive. I'm not saying it. Some people are saying it was the drum. So thank you. The momentum there. In that case, the momentum was completely real.

The sideline felt it. The locker room felt it. Yeah, that was real. It's Greg Olson in Carolina. It's 50 cent in Oklahoma. Both won. Greg Olson did more for the Panthers than 50 cent did for Oklahoma. That's what we're getting at.

Exactly. When you smack that drum the first time, you put a dent in that mother, like that thing. Did you think I'm about to rip this thing? Yeah. You know, I didn't want to go too. You know, I feel like there's, we have like an epidemic right now in the league of guys are getting like oblique injuries. I feel like I've never seen guys hurt their obliques as much as they have this year. I was worried about that rotation that I wasn't prepped.

I saw the team Cairo, who's a buddy of mine who had worked on me for years. And I was like, dude, I might need you to give me like some T-spine, some lower lumbar and just like get me moving at halftime just so I can go in and be real tight in the turn. But yeah, I don't want to say. say it was the it was the moment of the day but it certainly was the moment of the day. Yeah. Team needed a spark and they got it. They needed the momentum became the spark. I needed the guys to be on the sideline and be like guys, I feel something right now. I feel like I'm so much more motivated to go play. That dude banging that fucking drum, he did that for me. I was going to quit. I wasn't really into the game, but I'm alive now. And that was my role.

Yeah. Dude, how do you, uh, since we're in the NFL? how do you see the playoff picture shaking up for the Panthers? You got Panthers bucks for the division. You got Packers Lions. Packers have to lose out and Lions have to win out to make it in there. But it's like the Chicago Bears over the weekend, them and three NFC West teams are now cemented in the NFL playoffs. Crazy.

It's unbelievable. I think the NFC is really fascinating. I think they're loaded. I think there are some division winners that are not thrilled to see some of these wild card teams. We got to hope Jordan Love is okay. You know, obviously Green Bay's already, you know, kind of gotten a couple big injuries and obviously Micah and all that. So you got to hope that he's ready to rock come playoff time. You know, they make it as a presumably as a wild card.

I still think Philly is a, I've been saying this for weeks. There's like something about Philly that I don't want to play them. that defense has gotten really good playing as well, if not, you know, better than they were last year even, which is saying a lot that D-Lines coming to life. Jalen Phillips, what a great trade by Roseman in the front office, getting him from Miami a couple weeks ago. They've been really good up front, taking the ball away, playing really good defense. And then the offense just keeps, it feels like they just get a little bit better, a little bit better. And we all know, talent can pop at any moment. And you look in that huddle.

They got some real dudes. Sounds like that Lane Johnson's going to be back for this weekend's game. That's huge. Dalen Carter on defense. So I still think L.A. and Seattle are the two top. But I think Philly's right there. Chicago's a thrill a minute, whether or not that, you know, we'll see how that race ends. I think the seven NFC teams, it's going to be a fascinating to see how it all falls.

And then I think that's going to be one of the better NFC playoffs that we've had in years. Yeah. I'm with everything he said except for that the Eagles the last two weeks they played the commanders and the Raiders and I just can't put a whole lot of stock

and them like they all they clearly look better but they also had to come back from a deficit against the commanders the Raiders it's like you hate it for those guys especially guy like Max Crosby who deserves to be on a winning team

but it's like they're both non-competitive teams and the Eagles look great against the Raiders and the commanders it's like well you had to come back from that game and all that. I'm just I'm hesitant

to be supportive of the Eagles. right now. Love Roseman. Love Sireani. Love some of those players. But it's just like something's not clicking. Something's not feeling right. They ain't going to the Super Bowl. They might win their first game.

Like they'll have a home game. But after that, like they won't get any farther than the second round. It's going to be tough to get through. Who do you think in the first two rounds they can't beat? Right. So let's assume. Let's look at it. Let's assume L.A. Seattle will be one.

Let's just say it's Seattle. Let's say Seattle doesn't stub their toe. Because Seattle has the Panthers, and then I think they play the 49ers. Do you have that right? Yeah. Okay. So what's weird is San Francisco controls their own destiny, as does Seattle. So assuming they both, you know, so San Francisco plays tonight against Indy, let's say they handle business.

And then who does San Francisco play in week 17? They play the Seahawks, I think, or the Rams. They played Seattle. Okay. They played, I thought they played Seattle the last week. I thought week 18 they played Seattle. Yeah, last week they play Seattle. Next week they play the Bears.

It's a big game too. That is a big game. Man, that's because what would be really interesting is if Seattle wins and San Francisco wins and they go into week 18, that's not only for the division, it's for the number one seed, which is wild to think about that San Francisco potentially could be the number one seed and not have to play a road game. they could go all the way to the Super Bowl and not play a road game. That's pretty remarkable.

Your question is... My question is, who do you think in the divisional round Philly can't beat? I don't think they can beat the Seahawks. But the Seahawks might be the one seat. If we're saying Seattle's the one seat. They already beat the Rams,

but there was a weird situation that took place. It was in Philly, correct, when they played? Yes. Yeah, it was in Philly, multiple boards. I called that game. I called that game. I think the Rams, their Rams will beat them.

I think the 49ers, the way they're going will beat them. It's Rams, 49ers in Green Bay right now, who are 5 through 7. Remember, so remember, so if they, I still think there's a decent shot. We'll see how the NFC North shakes out and all that. But there's a shot that Philly could become the two-seed. Correct. Right? So they would host this seven who could be Chicago.

It could be San Francisco. Right now, it's Green Bay. Green Bay. You don't think, so Philly at home against Green Bay. Yeah, they could beat them. I think Philly wins that game. I think Philly wins it. This is the injuries.

This is, yeah, I mean, if Jordan Love's not playing, yes. Jordan Love will be back by the game. Now, they play in the divisional round. They don't have to play the NFC West champion because that obviously will be the one seed. So now you're looking at the Bears, the 49ers, the Rams, potentially, like, again, am I saying they're going to win the Super Bowl? No, it's just I think the NFC, you take out Seattle, who I do think is really good. If they're the one seed, you're not playing Seattle until the NFC championship. Until the NFC championship. Yeah. Are any of those teams

for Philly unbeatable? They're not unbeatable, but again, the Bears went into Philadelphia and beat them by a two-score game, not too long ago. That was the two point. That was the down 15 two point play, right? Yeah. So they went in. It was November 28th night game. It was, it was Black Friday game, right? Yeah. They beat him 2415. Yeah, again, I'm my point in. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called. Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it.

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Then the Rams are close. I think the rest of that group, two through seven, I could throw them in a hat and I could make an argument why either of them could beat them home away. I really do think all of those teams could potentially go as far as any of the rest.

Yeah, it's going to be tough for that Eagles team to beat a Bears team. with all that momentum the Bears got right now in Chicago. The momentum of the Bears is real. Dude, it is. I have so much fun. They have so much momentum. Yeah, they do.

They have a lot of momentum. If you watch those post-game locker room clips, I love them. I said a few weeks ago that the Bears were going to make the playoffs. Boy, was I wrong. But I've had so much fun watching Ben Johnson in the locker room with the squad. With their little chant going on. Like, that's a chant to where in the beginning when they win, it's kind of like, oh, this is corny.

And now the chant is just, hey, if you don't like the chant, like you might have a little sweetness to you. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you're so bought into these post locker room chants. These fourth quarter comebacks, everything happening in Chicago right now is, it's been fun to watch. And it's clearly there's always been some sort of not hit the defense and not very good.

They're more opportunistic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. under 60% completion percentage, but they just win. And then Caleb Williams in overtime throws an absolute bomb and doesn't get crazy.

He just does maybe the hardest celebration ever by just dust in the shoulders and putting the hands in his pockets. It's like, hey, these boys are real. Yeah. Hayed on the nail polish all you want. His hands were in his hand warmer before the ball was caught.

That is, hey. You can't get a juicy up, walk off, man. It's amazing. It's amazing. Bears win the Super Bowl. Oh, it's incredible. What's that?

Bears win the Super Bowl. you paint your fingernails in solidarity? Yeah, sure. I'll do it. We'll do it. I'll have a matcha. I'll paint my fingernails, whatever. Hey, I'll tell you what,

though. Machas kind of go hard, right? I've tried it. My wife's got, my wife got into matcha for a while and I would like, I'm not a coffee guy. I've never had a cup of coffee, but I'll crush an espresso martini.

But I've never, but I've never had a cup of coffee. Like, I don't start my day with coffee. Yeah, it's a weird brag. It's a weird brag. It's a weird brag, but also you've had coffee because you've been an espresso martini. I crush an espresso martini at dinner.

We actually made him at the house last night just as like a little nightcap after the game. And yeah, it's just a weird thing. I do not crave coffee. My wife loves it. I've sipped it. I'll be like, hey, is this a great cup? Like, she's like, this is a great cup of coffee. I'm like, all right, I'm going to try it.

And I'll take a sip. I'm like, I don't get it. I don't get it. Life is your caffeine, bro. Yeah, man. I'm just, I'm ready to talk ball with the boys. I need a coffee to get up in the morning to talk ball. No cup of coffee in his life.

That's wild as Taylor just puts down some cold brew. I love it in a cup right now. But macha, you like macha? No, that was my point. I took a sip of her like when she was in her matcha phase and yeah, it just had like a weird, I don't know. It didn't do it for me. Man, that's a bummer.

That's a bummer. Grabbing coffee. Are you into it? Is it like a daily, you're like a daily match? No, no, I'm not like a black coffee guy. And I only waver from that kind of like during the holiday season when I'm like, you know, I'm feeling a little festive. Let me get this pumpkin spice.

Let me go and get this. Love it. Pepperment, whatever. But it's pretty much just that. My wife's had a couple of machas and it tastes like, um, what are those, like, Japanese desserts that are, uh, like a little rice paper around up, but there's ice cream in the middle. What are those called?

Anyway, a machas tasting a green tea, one of those. Onward. Yeah. Not the show. Not the show we're looking at. Dude, I mean, the NFC is exciting, but like, you look at the Broncos, Patriots and Jags right now, even the Chargers, it's like, it's going to be a hell of a playoff. Look, look, look.

Is there a hotter team in the NFL right now than the Jacksonville Jaguars? Not since last week when it was the Broncos. Yeah, then they just. The Broncos had all the momentum until last week's game against Jacksonville. But to your point, I have Jacksonville this week against Indy, in Indy. Could be a sneaky fun game. Could be a sneaky fun game. I don't, it's hard for me to buy that the culture.

They're going to put up a fight now that we have a little bit of film with Philip Rivers and we see how they might try and schematically attack Jacksonville. Jacksonville is hot right now, bro. They're good. But to put it for Greg's point, like Jacksonville, the top dog right now, they just beat the top dog. What a perfect game for them to kind of like play a little below their level and make it a sneaky fun game to watch. Yeah, like if they start drinking their own cool. And I think storylines, I think Indianapolis played their ass off on defense last.

week in Seattle had the lead with 20 seconds left. You know, here we are talking about Seattle is one of the best teams in league. And Indy with a quarterback that hadn't played in four years went to Seattle and took the lead with 30 seconds and, you know, obviously didn't win, but went toe to toe with them in their place. We'll see how they do tonight against San Francisco. They play well against San Francisco tonight. Philip Rivers gets a couple more weeks to get his feet.

under them, get back in shape a little bit, get the juices ripping. I don't know. When they signed us that game, I was like, interesting. Like, not typically a Fox game, not a game that I would have anticipated. But as the last week or two have gone on, especially watching Jacksonville yesterday, for the first time, like, really sitting down to watch them in that late window against Denver, I was like, these guys are good. Like, there's nothing fluky about this.

I mean, they won against, they beat Denver decisively. Yeah. I'm more like going to the Seattle, thinking about the Colts. Like I know there's really no like look over games in the NFL, but part of me I buy more that Seattle was looking toward more of their Thursday night game against the Rams than when they were, you know, having full focus, having full energy into the game against the Colts. You can get lulled into that trap. You can get lulled. I'm not saying like it's intentional on Seattle's part. But again, they had a massive game coming up Thursday night, a rematch against the Rams.

to where you're playing the Colts, Philip Rivers, like you don't have, you don't know exactly how they're going to go about everything offensively with Phil. They kind of snuck up on them. Then Seattle had to realize in the final minute of the game, hey, hey, guys, we're the Seattle Seahawks.

Let's go down here as close a points. Yeah. And get on to our Thursday game. Dude, I mean, just being on the Seattle, that game against the ramps was the best, that had to be the best game of the entire year. Totally. It was unbelievable.

No, were you able to watch that game? No, because we were. A dude. Last Thursday was a shit show for us. But the two, do you think that first- Are you guys about it? Are you guys okay? I didn't.

I was in New York doing Christmas in New York with the family, so I didn't get to really watch much of the game. That's right. Last stream of the year for Bustin with the boys. I saw the lady took your family picture and put her finger in the lens. That was good. You guys don't think I follow you guys. I know I'm all in on Boston.

I'm all in with the boys. I like following your lives. I like following your kids. I'm in. I love it. Yeah. One thing, one thing, too, we had a whole conversation about Greg Olson leaving Fox coming to Bustin with the boys last week. Like, I mean, we know you're about it.

We're about it as well. We'll figure the whole thing out. But you're watching that game. I'm watching that game. The first two-point conversion happens and ball gets batted down. Someone just picks it up in the end zone and it counts. From your vantage point, if you are the referee and you're watching that back, is that a backwards pass in your opinion? It was.

I love it. I love that. Because remember sideways is backwards. So the letter of the law and they harp this, Mike Pereira sends out videos to us at Fox weekly, anywhere between 10 and 25 minutes of like all the controversial calls, real nuanced rules, just to try to bake some of these situations in our head in the event you get that like random one-off. So lateral is backwards, backwards is backwards. It has to be a forward pass.

So from the time that ball left his hand and hit the guy in the helmet, it was clearly going backwards. And it's just such a weird play because the whistle doesn't matter. There's no such thing as an inadvertent whistle. If it is picked up, a backward pass can be advanced by the non-throwing player. A fumble cannot be advanced. So like there's some real nuance to all of this. But by the letter of the law, that is a conversion. I would not be shocked to see that placed on the table at like the owner's meeting and say,

okay, no one ever imagined that moment was going to happen. Let's put some guardrails in place to make sure you don't get awarded a two point conversion when you failed the two point conversion. I would not be shocked to see them try to put some more like specific rulings for that exact situation because that sucks. Like you defend that play. everyone had given up on the play and it eventually led to you losing

kind of a weird one but by the letter of the law it was legit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, did the referees, man. But Will,

what do they teach you guys? What do they teach you guys on defense, man? No, you're right, but I'm thinking of other situations. You pick up everything. Yeah,

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And it should have been a flag. Yeah. Clearly, it clear his day should have been a flag. Yeah. Humphreys is sitting there tackling him. Like right in front of like everybody, the announcers are even laughing about it. Like yeah, that's a missed.

Like that's a pass interference. Right. Like moments that just matter and we're seeing, we just, I feel like especially this time of year like it sticks out like a sore thumb when like when there's a bad call that happens. What did you make of the lion situations down there? Like when they went for, it was when they went for two, right?

Or the touchdown the touchdown. The little pick route. And then he was even got. It wasn't even a pick route. It was a bot let me go body Jalen Ramsey. Throw him into the rafters for a second. Come back to the ball, not score. There was two.

Yeah. So there was a, there's a, there's a, no. I'm talking with the last play of the game. Is that what we're not talking about that? They scored, they scored on a pick route. They ran a little dart slank. Yeah. Washington.

Arnaud, Darnell, Washington. Yeah, Ammonra's White Open. The guy. Okay. Remember all of this happened, though. The wrong play. Keep going. No, but, no, but that, no, but you're right.

But the whole series of events was wild because they're up five. They kick a very short field goal to go up eight, saying, okay, at least we gave force a tie at the very least. And the guy misses it. The Steelers kicker misses it. So they remain down five. So now it's touchdown or bust, four down mode, go to win. the game and they score, but it was real late.

Like the TV, they didn't reference that there was a flag on the pick route to the right corner. Like, no one said there was a flag. They're showing the celebration. You know how usually like the yellow thing that says flag pops up? Nothing came. And then like, I'd say a good 15 seconds later, the flag was referenced. Then they showed the replaying.

Like, okay, obviously clearly pass interference. Then the Amun Ra one that you're talking about Taylor, was insane. I mean, the amount of moving parts there, I would have liked to have seen a replay. I don't, right? Like, we all assumed it was going to be some sort of pass interference, but we didn't actually get a replay of Amun Ra punching the guy in the chest at the goal line, Jalen Ramsey until clearly after the official's announcement. Right. But in those situations, putting all that together is not easy, right? For Romo and Nance to try to decipher all of that in the real moment is not easy.

The biggest part of all of that is offensive penalties don't extend the game. So even if you don't know, even if, which I don't blame them for not knowing, then there was a lateral. If it was clearly a lateral, it can be advanced by golf

because it's under two minutes. If it was a fumble, it cannot be advanced by anyone other than the fumbling party. In that case, Amman Ross. On fourth down, correct? Inside two minutes. I thought,

was only fourth down, the only person that can advance the ball is the guy that fumbled. Am I incorrect to that? I'm pretty sure. Now you have me second-guessing myself. I, we have to, now you have me second-guessing. I'm fairly certain there's a time element. I think fourth down for sure. Yes. So in that case, it would have been fourth down and in the last two minutes. I'm pretty sure there's a time element, but now you have me second-guessing myself so we can fact-check that. I hate doing that too. fourth down. Fourth down for sure.

So, like, there was so many different factors on there. But the only thing that mattered was offensive penalty as time goes to zero, regardless of the outcome of the play, there is no untimed down. Untimed downs only for defensive penalties, which happens very rarely that off the top of your head, I'm not sure if in the moment I would have known it either. And the thing that's crazy too is like while the referees are sitting there. and talking. You have Steelers players and Lions players like coming in

trying to give their two cents on the whole thing and you could tell like in their minds from an entertainment standpoint it might not be just entertainment but they're like getting the players

far enough away to where they can have a conversation without them hearing to where you go see like the Steelers guys cheering or any of that. Exactly. True WWE shit

and then for the referee and I, my heart goes out to the Lions fans made because it's got to be such a heartbreaking like getting your hopes up like that and heartbreaking but for him to start over all the things being like the result of the play is a touchdown is the craziest way to start

all of that and you're just like and you hear the Lions fans lose their mind like we just won and our playoff hopes are alive we're ripping all the things and he goes the result of the play is a touchdown but but but it's him with that it's like oh my god it was it was true cinema it really was fair and that's such a tough announcement right because you have to acknowledge it was a touchdown, it was a legal lateral, but it was an offensive penalty. Yes, time expired, because if there was one second left,

they would have enforced the offensive pass interference, retried fourth down. But because it went to zero, I mean, there was so many elements to that play in real time and then to get up there and address the crowd, the country, and concisely package it all together for it to just make sense, I don't envy the position of the officials.

You almost can't start off with the result of the play was a touchdown. You almost just have to say, all right, guys, bear with me for one for 60 seconds. Everyone grab a beer and just hold on your ass. We're going to take a quick five-minute break. We'll get back to you in just a moment. Everybody, bear with me because I'm going to say something. You're going to get excited, but then it's going to make you very mad. So just let me finish the 60 seconds.

Right. Yeah. And dude, like Rogers after that, just kind of like sitting there. You could see he's like reflecting in his post-game press conference about 10 years ago. He did X, Y, and Z. He was a part of a game like this 13 years ago. Except where we had bad refs. And you just kind of see like the joy on Rogers face for the first time in a long time.

It's like, good for you, man. Steele's been playing good ball, man. We got great shots of Rogers' his bicep tack. Yeah. That kept sticking out to me. I was like, God, I didn't realize he was all tatted up. But they kept showing. I don't know if he wore like a different sleeve or like he didn't wear a sleeve.

I don't know what was going on. But like we got a hundred shot. We didn't get the replay. sequence, but we got the shot of Rogers' arm tat like 10 times, which was also mind-blowing. I didn't even realize he was tatted up. Yeah, and it was awesome, man. A lot going on. I mean, you talk about the three national games, Thursday, the Bears, Packers on Fox,

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Open your free, our heart radio app. Search, learn the hard way, and listen now. Score, and so they're down by four, and I thought I saw Rable put a one up, and I'm thinking, ain't no way, they're going for one right now to make it a four-point game. Like, you've got to make it a three-point.

So I got my phone out. ready to take a photo, nine minutes left in the fourth, blah, blah, and then they end up going for two. I'm like, all right, we don't got to talk about this with Greg tomorrow because that would have been a devastating strategically bad move by them.

Yeah. Bad. I sit there now and all the games I watch, I almost question every time. Do they need to be going for it right here? 100%. They should go for two, damn near every time. Yeah.

Yeah. They should go for it. The amount of two-point plays this weekend. Dude, we saw Siriani late in the game. The game was over in our game. go up 17, tank Bigsby, I want to say it was Tank Biggsby scored, to go up 17. Instead of kicking the extra point to go up 18, he went for two to go up 19.

In the moment, right, I'm factoring on this. I'm like, I guess being up 19 is better than being up 18. I'm like literally doing this in the commercial break in my brain. And I'm like, well, because it's two touchdowns, two two point conversions and a field goal tie versus two touchdowns, two two point conversions and a field goal beats you, but there's four minutes to go in the game. Josh Johnson's at quarterback. Is there really a likelihood of them even getting three?

And I'm like doing all these mental gymnastics in my head. And I'm like, you know what? They've missed three field goals. They're kicking situations a disaster. Like, I don't blame them. Just go work on your two point plays. Like that's literally how I ended up like summarizing it. Yeah.

Because to be up 19, 18, I don't know if it really mattered at that point in the game. It was over, you know? And then a fight broke out. What's your preference on calling a Friday game? Like, does it mess up your routine? Are you kind of about it? That way you can go watch ball Saturday Sunday. So my game was Saturday.

So I called the Saturday. That Saturday Fox had a doubleheader this year, which was super cool. So we got two national games. We did. So I think when they started, when they set the schedule and they told this about this, I think the assumption was our crew was going to do Bears Packers. and then the night game, Berkart and Tom, Kevin and Tom were going to do

the rematch of the NFC championship, right? Eagles, defending Super Bowl champs against the commanders and all that. So obviously what the year Washington had, they flipped the game. So we got Washington, Philly. But still really cool. I mean, two national games on a Saturday,

obviously went up head-to-head against some of the college football playoff games, but I loved it. It allowed me to go to the Panther game yesterday, took my boys to the Panther game, got to watch them. Obviously, the momentum. built on banging the drum.

But yeah, it was weird waking up on a Sunday and just like hanging, strolling up to the stadium, had a couple beers during the game, watch it. It was fun. I love it, dude. On the situational ball, the Bears ended up winning the game. But at the end, when they decide to kick the extra point, then go for two, are you thinking, are you going for two? You know what?

In most instances, I'm going for two to try to just end the game in the moment. You got the momentum. I do think you have all the momentum. Win the game in regulation. That's a great ocean quote. I've said that. You want to win the game in regulation. I think the calculation that they made was the team were playing down their star quarterback,

offensively struggling, haven't really gotten a lot of things going. So this is where the analytics world fights back and says, these are not computers. These are not robots. All of these factors are baked into the final number that gets spit out. There's a league-wide, do you go for it? Do you go for it?

Don't you? League-wide trends. Then each individual team has to take that data in advance, predetermined, okay, how does this data affect my team based on what we know? and that's before the game and these little books that they produce because you're not allowed to have tablets. You're not allowed to have the technology. We can have it in the booth as broadcasters. They can't have it in the booth with the coaching staff.

They can't have it on the sideline. They're not allowed access to computers, phones, tablets that have like any internet access because they don't want them doing these real time calculations. So it's all preset in these scenario books that they do. But then you have to apply it to what's actually going on in the game. Right. So there is an element of real time information. that's being calculated. And I think the knock on analytics is, well, you say go for a quarterback sneak, but what

if your left guards are, or what if you're, and the guys who do support it sit here and says, it is being baked in. All those decisions are being calculated by yes or no. So I actually do think it was smart to go to overtime because I think the conversation there was we're playing against a backup quarterback. We're playing against, you know, Jordan loves out. I think if Jordan loves in and that game is a higher score, more offensive efficiency,

I'm going for two. I'm ending the game. Yeah. I mean, I can get a bore with that. Yeah. He said a lot. He said a lot to essentially say, I like our ball club better in OT

because we have momentum going for us and we're playing against a backup quarterback. Well, the momentum of the game and the fact that Jordan Love, one of the best five quarterbacks in the league, is out of the game in concussion. call are two very different conversations. I don't disagree with you.

But you're still, you're basing it off your gut instinct and you're feeling on, hey, they don't have Jordan Love. We just drove down and scored. It could have been 30. We'll take these boys in the OTA. Because again, by the book, by analytics, you go for two and win in regulation. Greg Gle said, rule number one, win in regulation. You want to win in regulation.

That's every decision that you make is about increasing. your opportunity to win the game in regulation. That is 100% how all these, the point being, you're not trying to play for a tie when there's five minutes to go in the game and you're deciding how many possessions do I have, how many times am I going to get the ball back, do I want to be down nine or seven?

All the things we've covered this year, especially in the last couple of weeks, every decision, the final output is about win probability, not tie probability. Okay, so just understanding that's the framework of how all these models are built. But then in the nuance of the game, and this is where like, and again, like the analytics crowd gets kind of like put like into a locker, like you guys are the nerds on the internet.

We're football people. We know more than you. The knock on analytics is that you're not taking into account what's happening in a football game, right? You're not taking into account injuries. You're not taking into account is the starting quarterback in or out, the center, the whatever it is, the score of the game. Is it a high scoring game?

yeah, I want to end this shit. I do not want Green Bay to possess the ball. We haven't stopped them all day. We talked about that last week in the Buffalo New England game, right? Where it's like, we haven't stopped Josh Allen in three quarters. Why do I want to give him the ball back? So all those factors, the analytics crowd, if that's what I want to be thrown at, that's fine. Those things are being taken into account.

But we're not taking into account how people feel on the sideline and how good the post game, the pregame huddle was and we just scored two touchdown so i'm going to go for two now i didn't score a touchdown so i'm not going to go for two those are the arguments that have zero bearing on the actual outcome it's not that guys don't feel it it's just over long periods of time the outcomes don't support that right and a lot of the conversations we revolve around with situational two not it happens at the end of the game in the miami texas a and m game it was clear that both defenses were killing each other. They were the biggest part of the game,

the offices were getting nothing going. Miami finds himself in a fourth and three to five situation down on like the six yard line going into their end zone. They elect a kick three, they miss the three. And that situation, are you going for the touchdown in that position? Yeah, so college, I don't pretend to know the college landscape as well. Use the conversation we're having as these are.

are two football teams, both defenses are clearly. I'll take, yeah. So again, it has happened in the NFL game because I do think the kickoff situation in the NFL is a significant difference. There's some nuance about field position, right? Like, I fail going for it on fourth and three at the three. If I get it, I get seven. If I go for it and fail, you got the ball in the minus three.

But if I kick a field goal, let's just call the average starting field position in the NFL's the 32. So I got three points. but I gave you 29 yards. So there is some context about the NFL that makes some of these goal-to-go situations very different. I'll take my game I called on Saturday, and I said this in real time.

Would it have mattered? I don't know. Opening kickoff of the game, Philadelphia gets the ball. They fumble the opening kickoff. Washington gets the ball on the, I don't know, inside the 30. They go down, they go down, they go down.

They have like fourth in goal, the two, two and a half ish. And on third and two, third and three, they threw an incomplete pass. On fourth down, they kicked the field goal. So they got an opening kickoff return fumble, got the ball in Philly's side of the field, got the ball inside the five,

and kicked the field goal to go up three nothing. If you're Philly running off the field defensively, let's talk vibes for a minute. How are you feeling, Will? You just got a sudden change. You didn't think you were starting the game. Next thing you know, you're on defense, sudden change, backed up.

All the motions are high, all the vibes we talk about and all this, and you force a field goal. Is that a winner or a loss? It's a massive dub. Massive win. Right, you go for it. You go for the touchdown. So that's an example.

So instead, they kick off. And now instead of the first time, you know, the first time Jaylon Hertz gets, you know, behind center in that game. Instead of, if he's in the gun, he's in the end zone. If not, he's under center at the one. instead he's got the ball we'll call it the 33 yeah no fair points

gotta go for it fair point got to go for it field goals get you beat man I mean look at look at the Rams on Thursday night now they scored 30 points how many now that one got taken away on a pass interference or on a legal man down field right one of the early touchdowns

how many field goals did L.A. kick inside the 10 yard line I don't know the number but a lot I'll look at least two yeah yeah if you get inside the 10 you got to start having the conversation with yourself

as like we're using four downs to get these 10 yards it seems like that is now I think so the new world we are living in but if you're going through the game and both offenses are absolutely crushing it and you are you then thinking maybe we don't go forward here I don't know I'm kind of losing my train of thought a little bit

because it is so nuanced and it does have so much to do with what's taking place during the game. Take the points, man. The first two field goals, first two field goals that L.A. kicked. They were down 7-0. They kicked the field goal from the 6th in the first quarter to go down 7-3. And in their first possession of the second quarter, they had the ball, and they got down fourth and two at the 5.

Got to delay a game. And then they went to 4th and 7 at the 10. they kicked the field goal. Yeah, well, you... So they had the ball at the six, and they had the ball at the two, and they got six points. You get the delay game

and got to kick the field goal, but you should be going forward in the situation. Again, I didn't see that part of the game, so did they try to make them jump? I don't know exactly what they did. But, yeah, no, and listen, the cool thing that I think about all of this is,

and we joke about momentum, and we joke about what's the best and all this. At the end of the day, I think the cool thing that comes from a lot of these conversations we've had all year is more people are, thinking about it, talking about it, discussing it. They might not agree. They might not all be on the same side of the argument and that's fine. But I think it's pretty cool that people now

are watching the game with those scenarios in their head and watching the game that they think it's time to chirp all of us on Twitter. They're thinking about it. It's in their mind and maybe a year or two ago, it never even dawned on people that these are the decisions that the coaches are wrestling with in real time. We're thinking about it sitting on the couch, just watching us fans, but this is very much what's going on all week long, during the game, after the game, in post-game recaps, pre-game meetings. And I think it's cool that now fans and viewers are going through the same mental exercises of game management and strategy that the players and the coaches are going through.

I think that's the win of all of this. Yeah, if anything's come from this conversation that we've been having on Bustin with the boys, it's that we are building strong character in these coaches to understand. It's okay to go to the podium and stand 10 toes down on some of these decisions you're making. Don't take the scared way out anymore. We are now giving you a vessel to where you can stand on a podium and go, I learned this on busing with the boys.

This is the correct. Exactly. Exactly. I'd love to watch a game with Greg. Yeah, that'd be awesome. And just look over and be like, you've got to take the points here. Because it was truly great. Like, no, you got to take the points here.

And then when Chicago kicks the extra points set it going for two, I'm like, look at Ben Johnson. and he's just taking the easier press conference. Yep. I'm thinking when I watch a football game since we've been doing this on these recaps, it's the first 15 plays on both teams in the first quarter. It's the last two minutes of the half.

It's the first 15 plays in the second half and the last four minutes of the game that are the most exciting for me to watch them. Like there could be multiple touchdowns going back and forth, but like when it comes down to your players have given, this is the product your players have given you. Now as a coach, it's your job to put them in the most advantageous spot

to be successful at the end of the game and watching how different coaches make different decisions that if this team had that coach, they would be more successful than the other way around. Because I've said this before in the bus, like, as a player, I didn't always look at the coaching staff and be like, oh, we have great coaches that puts us in good position. I just thought, we have good players or we don't have good players. We're going to figure out the game. And it's all on us. Truly, it's like these very little, these pockets in the game that grid coaching elevates your team to a whole new level because then it breeds momentum and Greg's right too like

fans are in it they're involved they're they're kind of watching and go what are you what are you laughing at it brings momentum it brings momentum yeah that was my I was laughing at that yeah good good um with the fan part being involved and everything else it's like I didn't know Greg was coming on today but I saw whenever I jumped on uh Twitter I saw somebody at me and I can't wait to hear you guys talk about the fourth quarter of the Patriots game and hear Greg's takes on everything else so since my brain was thinking that Greg wasn't going to come on I'm like sad like sad we don't get to talk about some situation

why did you not think I was coming on by the way I don't know why I thought that Christmas I think Clump might have said that you were possibly not going to be on today so I have no clue I just again I heard that We're here now so what do you want to talk What situation did they want to talk about

Yeah because the fourth quarter of the Patriots Patriots game Patriots Ravens is like I think they handled it exactly the way you would say you should handle it whether down by 11 was there any was there like a significant situation that I missed I don't think so like maybe it went the way it should have went and that fan is just excited to you know excited that they're seeing the same things we are to your point Greg everybody kind of got yeah yeah yeah yeah so they're just you know they're giddy like all the boys are probably going to talk about the way everything

was handled situationally in the fourth quarter well fourth quarter went touchdown ravens touchdown Patriots, punt, six-play punt by the Ravens. What was the down-and-distance when they punted? Oh, Greg might have found something.

What was the D&D? No, it was, all right, so it was fourth and four at midfield. What, oh, they're on the 50-yard line.

Now, they took a, you guys probably know, but they took a penalty. Mark Andrews false start. Were they, where they lined up

to try to snap it. I might have been in an out of making of Mr. Martinez. They seemed like they were in an ice situation. And then the, the, the nickel came down and kind of did one of those, but did cross the line. And Mark Andrews along with like the right guard, like jumped out of there. We got them. We got their ass. Oh, so it looked like we were going to try to. And if they didn't, they were going to take a delay a game anyway.

Probably. Yeah, it seemed like they were to take delay a game. Yeah. So I think fourth and four at the time they were up 24, 21. Fourth and four at midfield. so let's see so they punted backup quarterback backup quarterback yeah hunt leave they punted and they pinned new england at the 11 and new england went 89 yards for a touchdown you got to go for in that situation you go for it let him shoot you first or sooner so you have a better opportunity yeah so you get the ball back because now the patriots are thinking all we got to do is get three here very probably not thinking that but like the old thought process of football is like we're only down by

three let's kick this third at least i can always tie don't put the ball on harm's way don't be yep a little more conservative yeah because i was thinking that when they were on the i believe it was the like the 50 yard line and they lined up and it was fourth and four i'm like i wonder if they're actually going to go for it and then they started to do the hard council like okay they're going to i take the delay game give their pun or some more room to kick it but i was kind of hoping they would go for it in that situation It's just so this conversation would have been like, was it the right move? Well, it sounds like it was not the right move to kick to punt the ball.

Again, backup quarterback. It's hard. Listen, I'm not saying any of these decisions are easy and they're hard to stand up there and defend. Yeah. I just always think in those situations, I would rather be in control of the outcome in the game than deferring it to you and my reliance on stopping. I don't know. I just, you have an opportunity there to really change the outcome of the game under your terms. You get to call the play. You get to decide the formation. You get to decide it's something you've worked on all week, all year for multiple years.

It's a big moment play at top of your play sheet as opposed to now I punt it to you. And now I'm reacting to Drake May. I'm on the defensive, literally trying to just react to a two-minute mode, hyper-aggressive, four-down mode against one of the best. quarterbacks in football. My defense isn't particularly great all season, right? You're not the Texans. You're not Seattle other than Thursday when they weren't that good. But like, I wouldn't say Baltimore's

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or Seattle or Denver, you're like, okay, yeah, you feel pretty good about putting your boys in that position. But yeah, I like going for it. I'm fully starting to buy into this. I'm fired up.

We found the situation. Yeah. That this fan was excited for us to talk about. I hope so. Because this fan met, chirped us on, or not chirped us, but it seemed positive. Yeah. That was like excitement. About it.

That's what you want. Greg, this is probably, I don't know if you really want to answer this question, like for Bust with the boys. I don't know. I hate putting you in these positions. What's your favorite Christmas movie? Oh, wow. Home Alone.

The original. Fantastic. movie. My kids are all about it. We just watched two over the weekend. Oh. Home Alone, too. I love Elf. Yeah.

I know that doesn't have like the nostalgia of like some of those like classics. You know, Christmas vacation. That's an all-timer. Yeah. Yeah, home alone though. Like that was my childhood. That was the Christmas movie. We watched a thousand times.

The old man neighbor who's so scary. And then he turns out to be like this loving man. Like that was a, that was, that was just like my childhood. Like, you can't get enough of that. What's interesting to me watching that movie now having kids that are old enough to like watch consume. They're not just involved with like cartoons. Like they're kind of going through that transformation right now. We're watching Home Alone a couple of days ago.

And I'm always having the conversation with my kids like, hey, if you're in a situation, you're in public and someone's like, come with me and you say no, you scream as loud as you can. And my oldest is kind of like, dad, this is. kid handled business. Yeah. And I had to basically sit them down and be like, that's a movie. You know what happens to that kid if he tries to pull half of those things? He's, he is unaligned at the end of that movie.

That's what takes place. Because my kids are legit thinking, if we just put some marbles down and tie some paint cans with some string, we're going to fuck some bandits up. And it's like, guys, no shot. They're going to go like this. Boo. And you're done. And you're done.

The plot of that movie, magical, every kid's dream, maybe a little unrealistic, maybe call home. It was not 1850. We were not using the Pony Express, like, simple call to the landline, how you doing, call a neighbor, can you walk down the street? Like, apparently that entire block was just abandoned by people. Everyone on that street just, everyone left. And the kid just doesn't call 911 to like the very end when he's finally got his devious plan all set up. It's hilarious.

Did you see the S&L skit on Home Alone? I think so. I think it was kind of what I was just doing, right? Yeah. Well, they're walking the room like, hey, watch out. There's some marbles on the ground right there. And they're like, oh, yeah. No, no, no, no.

They did it to where everybody's basically dying from, you know, the, the family. Yeah. Yeah, the family comes home. And they're like, oh, my gosh, you're here. And he's like, I'm going to go, I'm going to go in the room and get something. Some just fire sprays the top of his head. It likes his entire head on fire and he's screaming. And then it sets up this domino effect to everything that happens.

Everybody's essentially dying from all the booby traps that we're laying around. Yeah. But it's hilarious. You should check it out. Dude. Okay. First of all, if I could put you on a little bit of game for you and your wife, two movies that I would suggest is family stone, tear jerker. And then another one is spirited with Ryan Reynolds and Will, uh, Will,

Farrell. That's a good newer one. It's a good newer one. I'm telling you. Christmas Chronicles. It's more like a more, it's definitely an adult holiday movie. Like Christmas Chronicles. Love it. What the hell is Christmas Chronicles? Check it out. It's on that. All right. All right. All right. My kids used to watch Christmas Chronicles when they were kids. Last thing I'll say. And they're still kids. They were a little younger kids. Last thing I'll say about home alone. When Kevin's mom finally comes home and she looks from and she walks in. She goes, Merry Christmas, Kevin. And they have a hug.

And then the rest of the family walks in. And they're like, pretty cool. You made it. And they all just go in the other room. And Kevin walks to the window and looks at it the old man who's hugging. And it's like, this kid's been home alone for three days. And you've been raking yourself over the closet being a terrible mother. And all you can say to him is Merry Christmas, Kevin.

And then walk in the other room to do whatever. Terrible parenting. And the dad didn't give a. Didn't give a shit. The dad the whole time's like, he'll be all right. It's just fucking wild to me the way the dad handled it. It's so good. Hey, have the Chiefs just completely packed it in?

Like, you don't make the playoffs. It's just. I think Patrick Mahomes needs to be in the MVP conversation. Still? Still, because they are such a dog shit team without Patrick Mahomes. Did you see all the players that didn't play? No. It was just 15 guys.

I was hoping this score would end two to nothing. Same. I was hoping the same thing. It's sad. Again, it's the reality of this thing, man. It comes for everyone. It's just some people get to last a little bit longer. Yeah.

Team wise, obviously, my homes will be back. He'll be fine. But like, that thing's going to look a little bit different going forward. And maybe that's a good thing. Maybe this is what they needed to say, you know what? We've stretched this probably longer than any of us imagined. We've been thrown into the garbage a hundred times. We thought we were dead.

We rebranded with this. young defense, kickstarted it a couple years ago, won the Super Bowl, got back to another Super Bowl, and maybe we just need to reset and start all over again. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just sad that we're probably watching the last of Travis Kelsey, lose to the Titans, which is like, hey, shout out the Titans. That's great. But it was just watching a, that was the Super Bowl last year. He's got big things ahead. Huge things. Greg probably knows. No, I don't. But he's got big. It's tied in your brotherhood. That's tied in your family. Tighten, you, brotherhood, man.

Thick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thick. We only have five minutes left. Is there anything, Greg, that you want to talk about? Who do you got in the MVP race right now? Oh, love that. Right now, I think it's two.

I think it's Stafford and Drake May. Agreed. Who do you have as the frontrunner currently? Drake, Drake, Drake, May. If the season ended right now, God, if you would ask me two weeks ago, I would have said Stafford. Right. Right now. I mean, is Stafford the reason they lost that?

I don't like punishing guys for like, oh, they lost to Seattle and you become like a creature, you become like a creature of the moment. I still think I'm going to give it to Stafford. I'm probably not as strong in that opinion as I was two, three weeks ago. I think what Drake May is doing on a team that preseason had very little expectations, won how many games last year? Four. New coach, bottom of the barrel, for them to not only be,

better for not only them to be good, but them to be like potential top seed, one or two seed good, and do that as a young quarterback in this league where we see young guys struggle. Man, I can make an argument for both. If I had a vote, I'd vote for Stafford. Yeah, I do think it's razor thing close.

Because again, with Drake May, it's not like he's got Pukukua, Devante Adams. Yeah, he's got a bunch of guys that. I mean, I can make a great case of why I would vote for Drake. And he's a Charlotte kid. known him for a long time. I mean, he's, he's special in all categories. And just to be that, see, being year two and just observing and watching, he seems completely unfazed in the moments that he gets in. Whether it's, hey, they're down, you know, down 11, like just his ability,

his poison, everything else, only being a second year in the league, I feel like it's just super impressive. Yeah. Here's a fun exercise. Redraft last year's first round. quarterbacks. Okay, give me, give me, because you got what, you got Drake May, you got Jake, you got Caleb Williams, you got Jane Daniels, you got Bo Nix, J.J. McCarthy. I mean, yeah, Drake's sitting there at one, right?

Totally. Completely. Who's two? I do that. I think two is the most fascinating part. If I'm sitting there and I'm drafting, they're all on a bench, I think this is tough. It's tough. Because it's really between Bo, Nick,

and Caleb Williams. Those are the two. Jane Daniels was the best player in football last year. I know. You're right. He was. But you're sitting in hell like, but you're drafting for the next 10 years.

Right. Right. Exactly. And so are you going to take the guy with the higher ceiling, which I think we can agree is Caleb Williams, or take the ultimate pro and maybe a higher floor and Bo Necks. That's kind of how I'm looking at this. So you would take both Bo Nex and Caleb over.

Jane Daniels? You're talking about the next 10 years. He's your franchise quarterback. I think what hurt, because if I would, if we would have done this at the end of last season, Jane Daniels, I think, would have been the unanimous number one. Agreed. Agreed.

The thing is his injuries. And you're talking about the next 10 years. And it's like, it's too eerily similar to me from an RG3 standpoint or a great first year than the second year, kind of all fell apart. And if we're talking about 10 years, longevity, will I see the sample size of 50, like it's been, 50% of your career has been injured, basically.

It's not your fault and everything can change. But because of those reasons, I have to go with a safer route and go to Bo Nix or Caleb Williams who have stayed healthy and produced. I was listened to Matt Ryan kind of talk about quarterback development. And he was talking like, you know,

in the first year, like if you're like, you strike lightning in the bottle. Like as a quarterback, going into your second year, you're kind of just trying to keep your head above water in the first year. the second year, like if you have some success, you could get trapped into, hey, I think I know what's going on more out there. So you could play a little over your skis, which I feel like Jane

Daniels could be the case in year two outside of the injury stuff. He's like not until like, you know, the third, even really the fourth year is when you feel like you're seeing the field, you're seeing the game from all angles that the coaches want you to see it at. And if I'm looking at all these quarterbacks right now, I feel like I see that go against Jane Daniels for how he kind it developed in the second year when he was on the field. And I feel like the light starting to click for Caleb Williams to where if you're looking at a 10-year quarterback, like, dude, I feel like he's so close. So you could talk about his inaccuracies.

But the way he continues to sling the rock even when he has a couple bad moments, he's too much. The way he moves around and having it being paired with Ben Johnson, I feel like he's so close to like breaking through and being like that elite quarterback were on why he was drafted first overall. Drake May, I feel like has that. Again, the game's kind of slowing down for him. And even Bo Nix, again, higher floor, everything else.

But if I'm chasing that higher ceiling of the quarterbacks we're kind of picking from, to me go one, Drake May, two Caleb Williams, than three, Bo Nicks. Yeah. I could flip two and three at any point. Matt Ryan had a great breakdown, not like talking about if you're redrafting, but just a great breakdown of like quarterback progression and development over the years. And when he felt most confident being on the field that he alluded to it being year five for him. I can make an argument, but everything you just said, Will, I can make the same argument happens to teams that have a quick turnaround.

You look at Washington, low expectations, you hadn't been good in years, new ownership, you get DQ, Dan Quinn, you draft Jayden, he's the offensive player to your, you're a game away from the Super Bowl. Oh my God, we are ready to compete. Do you always get a good, real honest perspective? Did you win some games you shouldn't have? Was your record better than what you really are, right? That goes both directions. Some years your record, you're actually better than your record. Some years, you're not as good as your record, right?

So there's a lot of, I think it's thrown off a lot of teams rebuild when they have early success. And then all of a sudden in year two, they get exposed. So I think everything you just said about quarterbacks, you can make the same argument of just overall team success. You think of the Giants, first year, dayball, they go to the playoffs. They beat what they beat Minnesota in Minnesota. Huge upset coach of the year. Now Daniel Jones is getting paid. Sequin wants to get paid.

And all of a sudden, did you push back your rebuild? And if you would have went seven and nine and didn't make, now I guess seven and ten, and you didn't make the playoffs, would you have handled drafts different? Would you have handled free agency different? Would you have handled extensions different? But all of a sudden you feel like, oh my God, we're in win now mode. You double down on some guys and it doesn't work. You just push that rebuild off.

So it's a pretty fascinating exercise about early success. in a turnaround. Yeah, when it's like, did we actually realize that we were just fortunately keeping our head above water throughout the year? Now we think we're getting a little too confident in what the reality of the situation is.

Right, yeah. It's interesting. I think I would go, Drake May for sure. I think I'd go Caleb two, Jaden three, Bo Nix. Fascinating. I don't hate that. The only thing that takes me away from Jaden

at this point is the injuries. The injuries are real. I do think a change in offensive plan. I'm not saying Kingsbury goes. I like Kingsbury a lot. I do think there can be a little bit of an evolution into what they're asking Jane to do. They started doing it with Marioada,

granted different stages of careers and whatnot, but they were starting to do it a little bit better. I actually think that would have served Jane a little bit better. Play action boot game, under center run game, not being in the gun on every snap, more early throw reads. The thing about Jay is, That's so impressive last year and then in his small sample size this year, he is incredibly

accurate down the field. His downfield passing game, he is exceptional in those moments and exceptional end of game fourth quarter. Last year, best passer rating the fourth quarter, best completion percentage. I mean, everything about end of game last year, he was unreal, hence why they won so many close games. I still think I would take Jane as of right now, but

you could probably make an argument for me to at least consider flipping him in Bowenix. But I love Caleb in Ben Johnson's system. It's not always going to be perfect. It's not always going to be in rhythm and timing, but that dude is uniquely talented. Could you imagine when Caleb Williams actually has all his

techniques and everything figured out and he's throwing above 60% completion percentage? Like, they're going to be incredible on offense. That'll be dangerous. His elusivity, able to move around,

get out of danger. Like, I have not seen a quarterback, that able to get out of base, elusiveness, that elusive to get out of the pocket and make play it downfield. It's just,

it's so impressive. What's that? I don't like chasing completion percentage. Huh? Personally, I don't like chasing completion percentage. I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that. I think it's,

completion percentage is one thing, but it's another thing when it's multiple games. Like he's done it, he's done it nine times this season and they're eight and one. He was over 60% in this past game. And it's like,

okay, if you're eight and one when your quarterback's not that productive from getting the ball down field, and you just bump that number up a little bit, like dude, it's going to be impressive. And it's just, to me,

it's habits. Yeah. I think there's like a, at some point, like a cross section between like average depth of targets. Yeah. And completion percentage,

right? Because I can make an argument, Like there's guys that have been 75, 80% completion percentage, average depth of targets like three yards. Right. Correct. Yeah. That doesn't do a whole lot for me. I just think in today's modern NFL, your margin for error is so small. You have to be incredible on third downs. Don't turn the ball over. Incredible in the red zone. Like you just can't, you don't have anything. You can't make any mistakes because you just can't get any yards and chunks. But then I think there's also on the other side where your completion percentage is just so bad that regardless,

of how far or short you're throwing it, your efficiency is just so low. You also can't overcome that. So I do think there's like this X, Y axis where they eventually like cross each other. And you say, okay, that's the dream. Like you are throwing it downfield. So we are getting that explosiveness. But there is some element of efficiency that we can count on playing and play out. We're not just like hoping in prayer. And well, maybe it's going to work. But in between that, it's a disaster. You don't want that either. No, I agree. I'm not as much in like the completion percentage. over overall like on PFF you can go into and see like inaccurate throws like outside of the frame this that the other um which is always like fascinating to see all these little new details

and wrinkles that they have in the whole database and analytics part of the game on PFF um but I'm with you I think completion rate is hard now if it's really good and again it's like Drake may he'll have a completion rate he's been throwing it around 70% and his like yards per attempt is like what over eight yeah yeah super impressive He's unique because he's doing both. Here's the last thing I'm saying about Caleb, not to beat a dead horse here, but his inaccuracies, sometimes throwing on the run,

right, those are high level, highly difficult throws. How many past attempts, this would be a fun study? How many past attempts has he gotten off that were deemed inaccurate? But they came after he avoided a sack. So he avoids a sack, runs around, and all right, he misses the guy, he misses DJ more in the back of the side,

you know, the corner of the end zone, sideline. That goes down as a pass attempt, incomplete, pass off target onto the next down. But what if he, instead of being 0 for one with an inaccurate pass, he was 0 for oh because he got sacked. His completion percentage would be better. And he's doing that at such a high volume of snaps. His ability to escape pressure is incredible. Yeah. Fair point. So if he took more sacks and got less inaccurate throws off on the run, hypothetically, his completion percentage would go up, the offensive success would go down because he's taking sacks,

and would that be better? Yeah, no, that's good point. That's why you're on the show, Greg. So there's always a balance to all of this stuff, right? Like, I always say about turnovers, like the ideal turnover number is not zero. Right, I can take a knee and go 65 knees in a row. and we didn't turn the ball over,

we didn't take any sacks. So, like, there's a little bit of nuance. Again, I don't want a team whose goal is to get, to commit zero turnovers. I don't want to fumble, but I don't want my quarterback to fear throwing interceptions. Yeah. Yeah.

You love yourself. You're probably not going to be that very good. Now, I don't want to throw four, but I certainly don't want to throw. If the goal is to throw zero, that would scare me a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.

Being too risk adverse. I know that we got a buggy, correct? Yeah, we got a boogie. Go. Greg. I appreciate you, brother. We'll see you next week. We'll see you next week.

Merry Christmas, my friend. Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas. He didn't say it. He didn't say it. He didn't come back next week. That's okay. That's okay.

We'll need everybody next week. We do. I'm going to grab some nicotine. Yeah, and I need a peepee. Okay. Guys, thank you for tuning in. Quick five. minute. Oh, sorry.

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