Bussin' With The Boys - Pardon My Take x Bussin' With The Boys + Big Cat & PFT Send The Boys Off In Style + Super Bowl LIX

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

Recorded: February 3rd, 2024 The Pardon My Take squad, Big Cat and PFT Commenter join Will Compton and Taylor Lewan for an all-time crossover. They kick things off by recalling last year’s audio mishaps before diving into the resurrection of Vanny Woodhead. Big Cat cautions everyone to watch out for Sherm and then explains his regret for not buying a Chevy for Jack. The conversation then turns to Nebraska and Dylan Raiola's weight. The tension ramps up as Big Cat and PFT clash over their loyalties to Washington and Chicago, setting the stage for a heated discussion on whether PFT is nervous about Jaden Daniels going the route of RG3. The group reminisces about being featured on Hard Knocks and breaks down how Bussin's new deal changes things moving forward. Will and Taylor are then challenged by the PMT Boys to name 10 NBA players. PFT then rewinds to the early days of PMT, discussing how it all started before their podcast's ultimate rise to chart topping success. The conversation takes a deeper turn as they reflect on whether PMT would ever call it quits and what they see as their peak. The future of the Will Compton museum is finally settled, followed by some gruesome injury stories and a discussion about any lingering friction between the PMT crew and Bussin'. Make sure to like and subscribe and comment below your favorite bit that Bussin' stole from PMT. Big Hugs and the tinniest of kisses! TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 2:08 The Boys Are In New Orleans 7:43 PARDON MY TAKE INTERVIEW STARTS 7:46 Better Audio This Time Around 11:24 PMT Version Of The Bus: Vanny Woodhead 15:44 Gotta Watch Out For Sherm 17:53 Big Cat Almost Bought Jack’s Chevy 22:19 All White vs All Black 24:35 Tension Between Each Other With Different Fandom’s 28:18 Is PFT Nervous For His Happiness With Jaden Daniels 31:14 Being On Hard Knocks + All The Cool Things They’ve Done 35:55 Is Anything Changing With The New Deal? 37:42 Burger Rankings 38:58 NFL vs NBA 44:30 The Case Race 46:05 Beer Olympics 52:44 Start Of Pardon My Take 1:12:19 Would PMT Ever Leave Barstool? 1:19:09 What Is The North Star? 1:21:55 Will The Will Compton Museum Continue? 1:24:11 The Guys Worst Injuries 1:30:04 Has There Ever Been Friction Between PFT And Big Cat? 1:33:38 Pup Punk’s Future 1:35:11 Going For Two Down 14 1:45:20 Twisted QOTWFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's going to be amazing. The birthplace of jazz. The birthplace, allegedly, the birthplace of jazz. I don't think it is, though. Mississippi Delta. Chat GPT told me it was the workplace of jazz. I took a blues class. Shout out Bruce Comforth, my teacher.

He asked me not to take the class. I don't think it is. I think it's like a common misconception. And what area do you think is? The Mississippi Delta. See, look, the birthplace of jazz is wildly. recognizes New Orleans. Yeah, but I feel like Bruce Comforth, my blues teacher at Michigan, shit on that.

And he was like, a lot of people think it's this, but it's actually the Mississippi Delta. Robert Johnson. He sold the devil at the crossroads. Those type of things. Right? Crossroads. Yeah, you might. Sure.

Motowns Memphis? No. Big Cat is also here. He's the building. He's in the back. You could tell that. That was tough. Sherman Motown Records is in Memphis.

I'll say this, listen, this is not a history podcast. This is a sports podcast. Our guest today were the two stars, the host, a part of my take. The top sports podcast in the world. Just absolutely gracing them with our presence. Hey, if you want to be in the intro, you can go ahead and sit here. What are we talking about? That was a crazy mess.

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I do like oysters. It's not my favorite thing in the world. I see the way you and J.P. Salivate over it. I like a char-boiled. Char-billed. Char-billed. Char-billed, char-billed,

whatever, Rockefeller-style. I like a little bit of parmesan on there, some herbs, some butter. That's what I like on my oysters. You like a little southern mix in your oysters. Yeah, I like some fixins on top of my oysters. That's what I'm saying the whole fixins thing. That's why I like the raw, because I feel like you have a variety of things that you can do with said oyster versus just having it one style. And I level your heads out.

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L-I-A-A. X-I? Oh, it's in the episode. We're rolling now. It's good. Big Cat was our first Super Bowl episode last year, and the audio was... Just weren't on.

The mic just wasn't working. It was insane. Who was the guy? Who was the audio guy that did that? We don't want to say his name. You have that name. He's a sweet guy, but like that was a really bad fuck-up. Dude, look at all the JPs here.

We had a sound guy in Scottsdale that, I think he screwed up the audio of the post-Eagles chief Super Bowl where Max was like super, super sad. And it just disappeared. And I think, was it, did Hank have to spend like a couple hours tracking him down? That's the luxury where me and Big Cat are at. We're now like shows over like that. And there's a big, big fuck up.

We're just like, well, at least we don't have to do shit. Yeah. Yeah. And then you said you're like, all right, we're never going to get a contractor in this remote location again. Well, we do sound guys every time we do these trips. And it's funny because they just become like part of our show for an entire week. We this week we have a guy named Ian who was wearing, he was wearing a legit trained doctor hat.

Yeah. I don't know what was going on. He wasn't asked to. He just put it on. Just trained conductor hat. But we got some, yeah, weird guys. There was that guy in Houston who was like, like, where do you live? He's like, I live in the woods.

Yeah. Like, okay. He were, he were all black. He was like 102 degrees. He was wearing black jeans, long sleeve black shirt. every day, same outfit. And he just went home to the woods. Yeah. And there was that other guy

who laughed at all of our jokes and we're like, we want to keep this guy right. He would literally like laugh out loud, which I don't think you're supposed to do as a sound guy. Well, we're recording. But it adds a nice element in the background. This is sick. Like, hey, you don't laugh at our jokes anymore. Yeah. Because you listen to like two bears or any of those comedic podcasts and you hear the laughing in the background.

It's like, oh, this kind of brings a show to life a little bit. Have you ever tried to watch an episode of Friends without the lap track on? No. It's very depressing. Yeah. I did see a clip on Instagram the other day of like, it was a scene of friends with Ross, but they edited out all the characters.

So it was like Ross has schizophrenia. It was hilarious. There was no laugh at it. What's the deal with these mics that we're holding? We're just trying to see if we have like Feets of Strength something because I'm, this is going to get. It's a way new 2025. Did you show up?

We just show up. You can get traded for being fat now. Luca. Do you guys know about Luca? Yeah, we've heard about Luca. You heard about the Luca trade. I saw that. Big three.

Jay, Jay. Yeah. I don't know. Like JJ wasn't told ahead of time. Do they respect JJ enough? Do they respect any of those guys enough? Didn't, uh, wasn't, uh, Jason Kidd just sitting at the podium? Yeah.

I didn't hear about any of it. Yeah, that was sad. He was just sitting there with a thousand yards stare. Why was he even there? Like the GM made this crazy deal. And then he just had Jason kids sitting next to him like, if you have any questions for Jason, feel free, you know, chime in. And Jason was like, you, dude, you, you ruined my life.

Yeah. Or Jason might have just wanted to sit there and be like, like, I have to on this so people know I had nothing to do with it. Have you ever seen those those like press conferences that people do if they get caught doing something like really fucked up cheating on their wife and they bring their wife with them

and have them sit there? That's what this was with Jason Kidd. Kobe had got the big ring. Yeah. I remember you got like the biggest ring ever for Vanessa? Yeah. Jason Kidd was like I mean when McGregor's wife was next to him during the lawsuit.

Yeah. Walking everywhere around. Yeah. What a rider die for that. Yeah. Is that Robbie Fox? That is a tough. I mean, Tiger had to do, yeah, Tiger had to do a press conference being like, I love sex.

What are you going to do about it? I think his mom was at that one. I think so. Yeah, his mom was just scary on me. He's like, mom, you know me. Yeah. Well, my dad, yeah, love sex too. You know, I'm horny.

Love having you guys on. I was texting with you guys last week. It wouldn't feel right if we went five years and didn't have the actual part of I take both of you together. Yeah. Big cat, we've had one, a completely botched audio. PFT still yet to ever even. be on the bus. Also, I was on the bus in Tennessee when you guys tried to smoke us out.

It was like 1,000 degrees. Brandon literally got a migraine from it. That was on the gravel, right? Yeah. Yeah, that was early days. Yeah, early days. I am a little bit disappointed that I will never be on the bus. I've always wanted to do a podcast inside a moving vehicle.

It's been my dream. And unfortunately, we'll never get there. Their bus doesn't even move. I hate to let you down. It's not. It doesn't move. Oh, really? Well, yeah.

We could tell it, though. I mean, Vanny. Vanney's going to be back soon. Oh, is that right? You guys got to watch out in a big way. Vanney's going to, Vanney's getting refurbished. Vanney's going to be able to hit the road.

What's going to do with the vanny? It was dead. So Vanney, we bought Vanney, was it seven years ago for 500 bucks? Did a bunch of stuff out of it, did interviews, did Grit Week. And then I kept on paying the car insurance and it was just like, this is stupid. We're never using. It doesn't work anymore. So we told Billy to scrap Vanney.

We're like, taking the scrap yard. Here's the title. it in he's like got it got it got it he's like all right all done title's done you don't have to pay insurance anymore and then two years past and billy hit us up and was like hey what do you guys want me to do with banny i'm like what do you mean you said you scrapped it he's like yeah i didn't i just i just kept it he found yeah he he essentially i mean he found a parking spot for it that it sat there unbothered for a couple years so as far as i'm concerned like good job it's yeah it's basically like when they do like a movie or a show does a lazy thing where they

kill off a main character and then their twin brother shows up that's what happened with van yes yeah actually it's not dead so yeah we're going to get vandy back on the road how long was vanny how long was vanny alive before he was dead like how often did you guys we used it i remember bow went on that right boc went on we went to yungs town for a botchy tournament we went and interviewed j j watt in wisconsin um blew a tire after that we went to the tournament draft we went and then actually got yeah we went to dandy woodhead we went to the draft driving back from the draft in philly got pulled over. Only time it's ever worked, cop was just like, he came up to us and was just like,

oh, fuck, it's you guys. And he's like, all right, just be safe. Like, okay, cool. What they, would you have pulled over? I think none of the taillights were on. Okay. I mean, if it is not electrical. Yeah, right. It's not very safe. There was a hole in the floor of vanny. So when you're driving on the highway, you could just, you can see the highway. You could see the driver's area. I was like in the middle area. We also, we were driving once back from Youngstown. All four tires blew out at the exact same.

time going 70 miles an hour. No way. Yeah. Turns out when you buy a van for $500, that's what you're paying. You're going to have some problems. Did you guys drive this yourself or did you have it set in places? No, we drove it. We all got in there and drove it.

Well, Big Cat drove it. I drove it. Big Cat has an issue with anybody else. I like to drive. Yeah. You're the driver. I get car sick too in the back. The first trip we ever took on the, I think it was the RV.

Yeah. I was like, I'd like to drive. Big Cat was just like, what? I get cars. No, I drive. Yeah. I was like, oh, okay, I'll just chill. Yeah.

I'm kind of like, you know, women's equal rights. Like, my wife will split. That's a very progressive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your wife will drive you around? Yeah.

Not you, right? Yeah. I think my life has driven me one time and then eight years we've been married. That's right. Taylor and I kind of hate. I always knew I like that because I get on Taylor and a little time about it. I would love to be. I always do.

You were the, you were the male and the right. This is it. This is the big pivot. It finally happens. All right. I know any time we are. The $140 million you got, that's because of Taylor. Anytime we do get in the car, I know I'm good because I know he'll drive.

I love driving. I do. And my wife, too, I mean, you know. Yeah. She's like, all right, I'm driving this time because you got to deal with the kids in the back. Yeah, that sucks. Yeah. That does suck.

Because when you're driving with kids, you can just be like, I'm driving. Right. Yeah. Like, I got to focus on the road. We went to 38. We did the whole drive from Nashville. There was like eight hours. And that's the whole time Taylor was out there working with the kids.

and I'm like, I got to focus on the road. Yeah, got to focus. I got to focus right here. Safe first. Keep his family safe the entire time. I'm actually doing most of the work. Yeah, exactly. Like, you're the hero there.

Speaking of the 140 million, have these guys, like, spend any of it? Is it like Goodfellas where, you know, JP1 comes in with a mink coat and you're like, guys, the deal hasn't even done yet. Yeah. Send it back. The deal hasn't even started.

Send it back to it. Which was JP1? That's JP1. What's JP2? Just right down the line. And then there's Sherm who I, you got to watch out for Sherm. There's no doubt.

about it. Shirm thinks he's a little bit of a star. Shirm also doesn't follow me back, which is just a total fuck you to me. I followed him. Really? Yeah. Shirm you don't follow him? Yeah. He's sure. You didn't know that big cat follows you. Big Kets had a million followers. You didn't know that he He's next up. He's, he's going to watch out

for these type of guys. He's the next S in bus. He's looking. He's like, oh, well, Taylor's got a lot of injuries. It might be me sitting in that bus with Will. I know that. Is that true? Is that true? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like your stuff.

Speaking of spending money and with Shirm, before this deal was even done, anything. What deal? Sure. You know, a deal. The $140 million that you guys are talking about. Your NFL contract?

Yeah, yeah. So we were at the shop and Sherm doesn't live far away and he talked, our shop is really small. And Shirm was talking about getting a communal, what, moped for the shop. Yeah. Scooter like a motorized scooter. It's like,

sure, we don't, like there's literally, you walk 10 steps to the end of the shop. Right. That's all you need. It'd be great. but the guys morale knowing that he just

take that. Guys, give you advice, watch out for Sherm. Coffee meets six go missing with Sherm. Yeah. I listen, if we did truth here with all the JPs,

they'd be like, Shirn, problem. Because he's the last one to show off. Yeah. We're just going to basically try to create this court before we need. That's a well-known fact. Oh,

Sherm, I think you can do it. Yeah. I think they're keeping you down. Yeah. Yeah. What are you doing? How much they pay in you,

Scherm? Enough. Not enough. Not to keep him quiet. Enough time to keep it. Okay. Interesting. Well,

give me a call. Well, once you follow me, you can DM me. Literally. All right. As soon as this whole, the actual split up

between Barcelona and us happens, Sherms are going to come be like, I'm going to Chicago. If there was like a Big Cal was the one too, he was ready to give Jack.

He's like, I'm going to give Jack that Chevy Silverado. Yeah. You start picking our guys off one by one. So in my, when you guys completely screwed over Jack, and didn't give him a Chevy Silverado,

which justice for Jack, that was bullshit. That's crazy. I was, there was a moment, he's going team Jack. There was like a 20 minute, there was a 20 minute moment where I was like,

I might just buy Jack and Chevy Silverado, big dick these guys. And I was like, wait, that's not that funny for like $70,000. But there was a moment where I was like, it would have been the ultimate. It would have been the ultimate fuck you.

Then I was like, maybe I'll just random one. It's like, that's not funny. So they deserve, you deserve a Chevy Silverado. I would get you on. Yeah.

I would. If you still worked at Barstool, I would get you on. I'd match. You'd have two trucks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wish that there was like an account that you know the ones that follow NBA players and let you know like who they're following now.

Yeah. Online. I wish that there was one that did that for podcasts. They were like, Shirm now follows. Big Cat. And then everybody's like, what does this mean? Shirm's not happy. Drama.

Drama. Trumbo and what's happening. What was the account that Kyle Kuzma followed? Oh, fuck. What was her name? God. Damn it. It was, yeah, no, it was even better than that.

Hey, so what is this, this account that says who follows who? Because you said, you know that account and I said yes, but I truly, I actually have no idea. Oh, they just like follow NBA players. And every time, they've got like a bot written for it. And every time an NBA player follows somebody new, they put out a post like, this person just followed this person. Sometimes it happens too in the NFL with like if a trade might happen. Yeah. Like when AJ was unfollowing the Titans?

Yeah, unfollowing the Titans. Yeah, unfollowing the Titans. Yes. Did you guys ever do that? No, I never did the unfollow. Never did the unfollow, never did the delete posts of all the things. Do you still follow the barstle? What's that?

Do you still follow the barstall? Yeah. When I was, we gotta keep up, we gotta keep our creativity a lot. Yeah. Let's see what part of my takes doing. Yeah.

Oh, they got a band. We should, yeah, we should block them. I was thinking about it. I was thinking about, hey,

don't do that. Whenever Washington unfollowed, I was pretty heartbroken. Yeah. Yeah. They unfollowed you? Yeah, whenever I went to the Titans,

like they unfollowed me. And I was like, oh, sad boy for a little bit. I was like, damn, I thought like I was still cool with everybody over there. I know. You still support the boys, though, right? Yeah, yeah.

I'm not like, you know, I'm not like with Washington, the way I am with Nebraska. Mm-hmm. With any of the NFL. It's on the portal transfer. Washington wins. Thank you. They win some games every now and again. Do what?

I'm saying the difference is Washington, they win some games. Yeah, now they're in the driver seat. Are we worried about Rayola looking a little pudgy? No. That's good. I think he gets better with weight. A little pudgy. You saw him getting, uh,

Matt Mahomes shit for me having a dad bod. I understand. But that's Pat Mahomes. You can have a dad bod when you have three Super Bowls. I had to check. Tons still follow me. Rail is going to be nice. Rail is going to be nice.

Okay. I'm just saying. And number one transfer class in the Big Ten? I know you saw that. That is not according to on three. We have this conversation on the point. Yeah, but we don't have to get into it. On three is like all encompassing transfers who also left 24-7 is just your transfer

class that comes in. Very simple. So when the argument be all-encompassing then? No. It's very simple. you go with whatever. Wisconsin gives you the better ranking. Wisconsin's like 15th out.

Whatever. We got some shit we're dealing with. It's fine. What are you guys dealing with? It's just, fickle out. No, we're just,

we just, they keep schedule on the hardest schedule in the world. Who y'all play this year? Everyone. Name a team. We play it. Oregon.

Yes. Alabama, yes. Michigan, yes. Ohio State, yes. It's the hardest schedule in the country.

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I don't know. We'd have to have enough time. How long as this podcast go? As long as you wanted to be. This sounds like a great original idea that would be. Who starts at quarterback? We go with Josh or Joe? I think, yeah.

Josh? Either one. You let him battle it out for a couple weeks. We got a problem, though, with cornerbacks. We got Cooper DeGine. Riley Moss. I don't think we have a problem anymore. Ethan Bonner.

Ethan Bonner. And then who's our edge rusher is going to be TJ? You got Max Crosby. Maybe. Hayden Hutchinson. Okay. What about wide receivers? Ladd.

Ryan McConkey is definitely in there. We got just. Luke McCaffrey. What are you talking about? We're just, we're just, it's a good brainstorm. It's a good brainstorm.

Cooper Cough. We're not running back. Running back is tough. Will Shibli? Does Pooka Nica make it? I don't know. I'm going to leave that up to him. I think Pook is,

we definitely can claim him. Yeah. We can, I don't feel comfortable claiming people. Really? Yeah. Okay. I think that's voluntary thing.

Wait, so wait, what would we do for running back? I don't know. CMC. Oh, yeah. What the fuck? No,

but I don't know. Is he retired? No, he's not retired. Oh, Scatabo. Yeah. Scatibo. Here's a question. We were talking about this before the show.

Do you think, who has a better career? Ashton Genty or Scatibo? Probably Ashty. Why is that? I don't know. He's better. Do you think he's better for him? I mean, I love watching Scatibo.

I feel like if he goes, if he goes to Denver, Sean Payton is going to be like, Tayson Hill is back. Yeah. And he's younger. And he's might, maybe not quite as good a passer. But this kid is going to get the ball in his hand. You saw him. You saw him in the game against Texas.

Yeah. He had a great pass. Yeah. Yeah. Scatabo is good. I mean, there's so many running backs to this draft. Yeah,

the thing, too, the thing that got me on Scadabot, because Ashton Genty to me was like, obviously he's going to have the best career of all of them. But then Scadabo, and his pre-game press conference being like, I'm going to bury Texas. I'm going to go to work on them,

basically giving all a bulletin board material in the world and then actually doing it. Yeah. It's like he might actually just keep doing it. And then all of a sudden he started going crazy. A little pew. He's throwing up a little bit, a little boot and rally. Damn. Do you guys ever have, do you ever feel real tension between the whole Jane Daniels?

No, I don't really feel any tension because I'm just too busy being happy. Are there any days that you come in and you're kind of like, I'm not going to say a whole lot because I, you know, the work speaks for itself. No, because I don't, I don't think about how Big Cat thinks about my quarterback at all. I am, I love watching Jayden play and there's nothing that can like, I'm not going to, like, I'm not going to. come and be like, man, maybe I shouldn't talk about Jane and as much because Big Cat's sad. No, I fucking love Jayden Daniels. He is the best. I've never had as much fun watching a quarterback as I have with Jane Daniels. Now, Big Cat might be upset that I, that I'm so happy. No, I, but frankly, I don't care. I was for a little bit. And then I just, and Jane Daniels like,

I reached a point where I was just like, he's fun to watch. And I can't really, there's nothing you can do about it. You know what I mean? Like, you can't be like, some good things. Like, I don't like when I, there's a lot of people who like, oh, first read guy, or this or that. It's like, oh, he's got it, Cliff Kingsbury. It's like, dude, he's just good, you know? And hopefully Caleb Williams progresses because that's the, the one thing I will say is the internet,

and this has nothing to do with Jane Daniels, but the internet has shit on Caleb to a point where it's like, if you, if you poll people, you'd be like, he had a terrible season. It's like, no, he didn't. He had a pretty good season for a rookie, given the fact that his OC got fired. His next OC became head coach three weeks later.

His head coach got fired. I don't know. I think he's going to be awesome with Benjjohn. I do think that Caleb's going to be good. I genuinely believe that. Everyone said he was going to be the greatest thing in the world. Yeah, there was a lot of hype. I mean, that was two years.

People basically said he was going to be Jaden Daniels. The two years thing always is tough. We just had Andrew Luck on and we were talking to him about it. Like when you're the number one, the consensus number one pick for two years running, people get exhausted of you. Yeah. And they tear you down and they, you know, Andrew Luck actually had a great answer.

You're just like, no, I was that good. That's awesome. He's like, yeah, I earned that. And I was like, that's, I want that answer. You know what I mean? Just be like, no, I didn't even think about it because I knew I was that good. I wish he was still playing so bad. I know.

Actually, I'm happy he's not. I'll put it this way. If somehow, sorry to interrupt it, if they put Caleb back, it somehow into the draft for next year, knowing what we already know about Caleb, for whatever reason, they were like, no Chicago Bears, you're not allowed to have this guy anymore. He's going back into the draft. He would go number one. Yeah, he would.

He's better than Shador and Cam. Yeah. I guess it's like, yeah, you could say that. I think J.J. McCarthy would probably go ahead of them. JJ might probably go one overall. Yeah, probably. He probably didn't when he was in a tough spot.

Imagine the emotional. Even though we literally played this scenario and he didn't go one overall. And he didn't play this year. I actually think he's going to be good, JJ McCarthy. Think about JJ's like his season roller coaster. Like he gets hurt.

Everyone's real sad. Oh, the Minnesota is going to be really bad. Then Sam Donald goes off. Yeah. Oh, they're going to keep Sam. JJ, you probably get traded. They were never. The playoffs happened and Sam shit's the bed.

Like that's just up. I mean, they were maybe going to fran, There were legit conversations going on. They were never. I think if he had beaten the lines, if he had one of its opening round if he had lit it up in the playoffs, I think they would give him a contract. I think they would have a franchise tag.

How do you walk away from that? Yeah, you have a cheat code with JJ McCarthy on a rookie deal. Like you can make your team so much better. But if you have that good of a record and then you'd go to JJ and get rid of Sam. You franchise tag him. You should be like, do it again. Because it's like the Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones had one good year.

And they were like, oh, this is going to be this is the year that he figured it out no he had a you know year that was outside of what his normal is if you guys if the bears got to redraft from this last class do you still want Caleb over jaden no you probably take jaden I mean I still believe in Caleb but I mean jaden was incredible this year

incredible I mean I was just curious I can't fight it anymore he went to the NFC championship game PFT do you get a little nervous though that the last time the Washington team had a rookie sensation no no no that's not mean that's not mean that's actually that's it's mean it's mean because obviously I get

very nervous about it all the time. I live in fear every game. Every time he gets tackled, I say fuck every time somebody hits him. And he takes some hits where it seems like his knees going to break. Like he got hit by the Falcons one time.

Just bent over his leg and I was like, well, there goes my happiness. I got another like solid 15 weeks end this season. Who's running this by the way? Sure. We didn't know who RG3 was until he pulled them up. I might jog your memory.

Yeah. What you were talking about? Of course I get very nervous all the time with him, all the time, because if you get one bad hit, it can screw everything up. But I think the way that he plays is a little bit different from Robert. I think that his rookie year already way better as a pocket passer. So when he runs, yes, he takes big shots. That makes me very scared.

But even when he runs, like, he'll take big shots. But there's other times where he can tell it's over, where RG through trying to try to dive. and he just kind of gets down. Yeah. He's smarter about it. It seems like he's a little smarter about his mortality.

So let me ask you this, Will especially because as a linebacker, you can't really hit quarterbacks, right? But Lamar Jackson does this and Jaden does this too. Instead of sliding sometimes, they like dive at the legs of the linebacker,

just like head first, shoulder first. I feel like that's a very smart move because it's like you're not going to absorb that hit where you're sliding, your head's close to the ground. You get like one little deflection and bounces off the turf. as a quarterback, I feel like the dive at the defender's legs is a better move.

I honestly agree. And I guess my thought is, is like, when did the quarterbacks fumble the ball all the time before like, you know, if Lamar and Jane are kind of normalizing diving forward, isn't that the whole risk of like why guys don't dive in the first place? And I have no basis on that other than I don't remember quarterback's fumbled a lot when they were diving except for outside of when you're playing mad and you seem to always fumble when you dive. Yeah, every time.

There was one play where. RG3 was he was diving for it. I think it was his second year. And he just dove forward and then just left the ball on the ground, stood up, walked back to the huddle. And the other team just picked it up. They're like, yeah, that's a sucky rule. And so he, like, blamed the rule afterwards and then they changed it.

That was the old Plaxcoe, right? Wasn't he the first to do it? Can you just drop the ball? I want to say Plaxcoe. It's like the ball is more exposed. As a rookie, like, went down and just dropped it. Yeah. He's just like college. It's over. By the way, it was Ms. Thick Overload was who Kyle Kuzma followed. And there was like, Kyle Kuzma's now following Ms. Thick overload.

And then everyone retweeted and then he, and then it was like four hours later, it was like Kyle Kuzma has unfollowed Ms. Thick overload. That's so tough. Yo, how sick was it when you guys, uh, had your appearance on hard knocks? That was cool. We were with you. That was with you out of camp bar stool. That was very cool.

It was fun. You remember though, I'm, I'm so paranoid that like any, um, um, media outside of like barstool is going to just like rip us somehow because we've been burned so many times. So I was just like they're like, oh yeah, we want to put you in there. And I'm like, oh, they're going to be like, they're just, it's not like burned. It's just going to be like, they're not going to say, oh, part of my take. They're going to be like in the controversial, you know, blog barstool sports. Right.

Like the world outside of your guys fans are going to. Yeah. Yeah. Because we've had that a million times where it's like, someone will come in and be like, oh, I want to do a piece on you guys. And then it's just all a hit piece and all this shit. I feel like it's kind of turn for you guys. Between that, you guys being on the Nickelodeum when we were streaming. Yeah, that was crazy.

Did they ask you about that? No, we had no idea. So you're just watching the game. Then all of a sudden it was a little. We were like, what the fuck? It was Adam Shepter's daughter too. Yeah. That was introduced us.

That would be funny if she was like, and problematic. Yeah. And battle podcasts. Yeah, that was crazy. That was awesome. What of all the things, you guys have been doing this for so long? What is like the coolest thing? You guys were like, holy shit.

Look at that. Good question. Thank you. I've been doing this. I think the, anytime like the, like the Spotify thing that happened last week where I don't know if you guys saw they gave Spotify is doing like plaques now. So they did Joe Rogan and like a crime podcast had like 500 million downloads. And then we get a silver plaque because we're like 250 and it was like us and like three other crime podcasts. Those moments are always like holy shit.

Like that's really crazy. And that's big time. You guys have lived in that Spotify top three for. I mean, as long as I can remember. Yeah. Yeah, it's been, we've been pretty fortunate. I was going to say maybe the coolest thing is at the start of the football season this year, I think it was opening Sunday.

I wake up in the morning and I have a text on my phone. It's sent to me and Big Cat from Chris Berman. Yeah. Just wishing us a happy start to the regular season. Yeah. Like, enjoy this, boys. The ball kicks off today. And I'm like, wait, Chris, like, the guy I used to tune in and watch every Sunday morning

is, like, reaching out and personally welcoming me to the 2020. for NFL season. That is awesome. Yeah. That's crazy. Like Boomer or like even Jerry O'Connell who we interviewed Jerry O'Connell. The first time we interviewed him, we just said yes because we had like kind of a policy where it's like if the person, if it's in person, we'll just say yes and see how it goes.

And like an interview like that, we're like, he doesn't know sports. He's just going to talk about acting. And then he's become like a like institution in the fabric of like our little world. Yeah. Those type of things are so cool. We tried to cancel that interview. Yeah. The very first one.

Yeah, because me and Big Cat love to cancel plans. It is, it's the most fun. And we, uh, we finally got a booker that that would like, slip the cancel plans. Hold us accountable. And shout out. Kelly. She would like hold us accountable.

And we told her like the morning of, yeah, I don't really want to do this interview today. And she was like, you're doing this fucking interview. Yeah. Like, okay. Yes, ma'am. And, uh, Jerry came in and just blew us away. We're like, we love this guy. Yeah.

And, uh, yeah, he's, Jerry's a good guy. You guys don't like cancel implant? Oh, it's the best feeling when you like, forget plans. When you have like a interview where it's like, all right, I want to do this interview, but it's not like, I have to do this interview. And it's like, oh, the person can't do it. Another hour of just doing nothing.

I mean, I could do anything with this free hour. Yeah, if you're, especially if you're up in. Yeah. Sit that one chair in the gambling cave. It's the same thing. It's the same thing of like trying to find a movie on a Friday night with your wife being like, uh, what are getting? And they're like, ah, fuck it.

I don't want to watch a movie and like, you know, give up two hours. Let's just watch seven episodes of the office. Yeah. He's like, oh, think I can go to better. He's like, oh, I don't have time to sit down and watch a movie. Let me just sit down for three and a half hours and watch South Carolina and Clubs. Like, who do you guys have scheduled for Friday of this week? Fridays, we're leaving.

Oh. Potentially. On voyage. So that's it. We'll never see you again. Well, that's up to you. So we're doing a four-day work week? It's actually kind of up to you guys.

No, we're an open-door policy. We're not going to a policy. We're not going to stay-in-op-in-op. We're playing a pro-am. There's some pro-am going on Friday morning, and we might have an interview that. Mike. Wait, you're playing. I don't want to say it.

Don't say because if it doesn't happen, it's... I know. It's a maybe right now. It's not, I mean, yeah, yeah. Potentially. Bryson. Who? Bryson.

Oh. Bryson Di Chambot? Yeah, there you go. Come on. Sean Peyton. Parley Vu Francaire vu frances. No, no, no, no. Who is that?

Bryson Di Chambo. Yeah. Come on, man. There he is right there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bryceon. It's bombs. Wait, so when does the deal actually end?

The end of this month. this month. The end of February. So, so this is like the week of like the going away week. It feels like it's over after this week, but it's technically not over until the end of February. Got it.

And then what is going to change? Is anything going to change? Not really, no. Sponsors. Okay. It's like you got, you're going from wearing the green dot to now coaching the team.

Yeah. I've thought about that. Yeah. Do you get mad that Will has CEO of busting on his LinkedIn? No. Just ask. So much. It's a day.

Who? Well, someone posted Will's, Will's, like, you see some of the bios too? Yeah, the list of things that he did in college. And it was like,

he put himself, he was like, you know, worked with clients and then parentheses beast. Something like parking the cars I don't even know Willie had.

I didn't like a week ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Will's CEO. So nothing's going to change. No, nothing is going to change.

Are these guys all good? Yeah, they're all with us. pay raise? Except, well, Sherms on the Rocks after this conversation but other than that.

There's negotiations going on. You don't get a pay raise, Sherm? You're the star of the show? I like that. I like that.

People turn in for sure. Do they buy you guys lunch? Yeah, I get you guys coffees. No, he says no. You say yes. Gareth's lying. He knows we get them lunch.

Who brought the last catered lunch? You brought it to the shop. No. Who dish them some cash? Bagels last week. Thing about us? Think about us.

Think about us is we take care of our boys. We take care of. We take care of our boys. I just dropped 120 bucks on lunch for all the boys. Yeah. Wow. Because I believe in them.

Yeah. Yeah. We take care of them. We got five guys. We had smash burger the other day. Yeah, we get five guys. I had Smashburger the other day, though. Five guys is overly expensive.

Never had Samson. Have you had Smash burger? Smash burger is real. I think Smash burgers is next up. Oh, I don't know. I go five guys in and out. We're doing this? I think in and out's overrated.

What? This is the first time we're going to. This is a little bit. What? We're just spitball. We're just spitball. We're just. Just talking burgers.

Have you had smash burgers? But hold, you go five guys over here now. No, I've never had. Smash burgers. No, no, there's our first time. Very good. All right. So yeah, let's talk about burgers.

So I think five guys, I think in and out, if you guys were, if you guys were, if you guys were. If you guys done this? No. Okay. No. So in and out, I mean, I get in some weird energy here. In and out is the best burger, but the fries are a little overrated.

I agree with all that. Okay. The fries at five guys are so good. So good. And they give you so much of them. Yes. They fill up the bad. Yeah, the bad.

Yeah. Agent fries. But the burger, we're talking about a burger. We're just talking about a burger. We're just talking about the burgers. Got it out. Yeah. It has to be.

I can't believe we haven't thought about the conversation. I think five guys is better burger. I get all the toppings on there. The toppings. That's what. What burgers? I remember having a conversation a long time ago about this, but if you give me too many options for the burger now that we have a problem because I get too excited about

the other options and then my burgers are mess. We just know what you want. I need to be told how to have my burger. What was the other? You're a little sub. I need combinations. Yeah. And give me like four or five combinations.

I'll pick one. You're like, choke me out Ronald McDonald. Yeah, tell me what I want. Tell me what I mean. Walk me around on the leash. What was also on our, oh, do you guys think that the NFL players would be better at NBA or the NBA players would be better at the NFL? I thought he's prepared more for this podcast and we did. He couldn't wait.

We told me to just find us all the debates. I mean, just sprinkle them in. Just replay the hits. Yeah, Luke had offensive tackle. Yeah. I think I would, yeah, that would work. Yeah, I mean, 270. 270.

What were you weighing at your, you're heavy? 316 316 that was the absolute heavies ever was we did that feel so uncomfortable it was terrible I was more of like a I mean 308 to 312 anytime I got over 312 I was like I gotta Did you tell the story it might have been someone else Saying like in college you had to wake up in the middle of night to eat

That's brutal shots of olive oil Oh oh to Peter Piratea pizza I get the Alfredo pasta with chicken Oh Smacked would be a great tight end That's true Lebron Oh he played in high school Yeah he did

When the football guys read the game the other night and he's like staying in next to him that is like a I don't think though I like tell me this if you put wemby he's seven what seven or something seven six he's like seven five but his wing span like eight feet you put wemby goal line package he just takes one step and you throw it up to him how who's defending that cut him cooper de jean but he you like he the ball that's pass interference no now now that is not he's on a defensive lineman you see he defense lineman no no no I'm taking him saying he's tight end he's he's out wide he'll put him out wide he's a wide receipt. Okay. All right. And he just takes a step and you just throw the ball up. He's got,

his hands go up to like 10 feet. He can touch the rim standing on his standing on two feet. Anytime basketball players are brought up in football, I think of Draymond Green in the spring game at Michigan State. What happened then? You didn't see here? He got bullied. He got bullied. He was out wide. He got hemmed up by someone waist. So you don't think NBA guys could play in the NFL? I do not think of me. What about the white guys in the NBA? If you were to make a team of all white NBA players playing football. Yeah. I don't think I know that would have to be a quality football team. We have this episode to bring you Kevin's Natural Foods.

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No. Kevin Dario is going to be my first one. We got 10. We got 10. While Will is thinking, play that clip of Draymond Green. Okay. Nice. Yeah, that was huge.

Luca. It was literally right. Luca, Luca. Joel Embededed. Yep. That's three. Doesn't really play. The horny guy.

I'm trying. Who's a horny going to play for New Orleans? Yeah, it's gone. It's not there. I got to see this list that you play for New Orleans. John Wall? Four? Is he still playing?

I don't think he's playing. I don't know if he's still playing. Guy removing? Five? No, I'm really, I'm really enjoying. Get us one, Taylor. Get us one, Taylor. John Moran.

Yep. You're on fire right now. Thank you. Thank you. No, dude. gonna do you guys make him panic kicks i'm panicking butler wait wait yeah butler what you know you know him butler wait what butler jimmy yeah seven we're it's seven everyone calls him butler butler is chris bosh still playing no he's not buying anymore it's like seven years

ago yeah question dumb question um damn bro oh oh singing some i don't know Oh, lamello ball. Yeah. Brawny, brawny. Bronny? Yeah. Yeah. One more.

One more. He's like, did I hurry say LeBron? Anthony Davis. Yeah, there we go. We got done. Fuck, yes. Hey, that was huge. Bronny.

Sports podcast, man. We do it all. Yeah. I'm going to tail the shit out of your NBA best. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can't wait to see him.

Wait, so they're all going to be all those guys. I'm going to get an NBA this off season and try to figure it all. Okay, yeah. So three years, 140 million. Are you guys going to come back? Mark Titus is on the case race saying just 140. He just started saying it. And I was so drunk, I was like, did Will lie to me?

Was it 140 million? What the fuck? Hey, by the way, you see what I'm rocking? Yep. And B walkers. I stepped in cake and turned my house. Hey, those are nice. You actually got them for that?

Yeah, but they're. That is awesome. I stepped in cake and threw him out. So people were mad at me for that. I see, I had the cake on the bottom. I just, I still took them. Just clean them out.

Yeah. It was a good time to Casey. That was a good time. I'm sure you guys had a really good time. How was, how was Will's heartfelt message? It was good, except we were so drunk and we had a random guy in the background.

It was, I mean, we all knew it was going to get to the heartfelt spot. I got to be honest, I don't remember the heartfelt conversation at all. Yeah. Really? Not a word.

I'm sure if it got played back for me, I'd be like, oh, yeah, this sounds familiar. When I saw it on Twitter, we'll post it And I was like, oh, God, this is gonna be tough to watch I thought it was beautiful Yeah, it was.

It was just, you know, we all knew it was gonna go that way. He's like, you get drunk with your boys, you drink someone's vomit, and then you say you love. Bro, I forgot that we did the vomit drink. Did you drink any? Yes. Oh, whoa, whoa, what? This cat Deutsch, he can eat a bunch of ice cream

And then he throws it up and he's like, I swear it tastes like a milkshake. Yeah. They pass it around and he's doing a, everybody's doing like a spoon tasting of this milk chase. We all tried it. Disgusting. Yeah, he told us.

Did you do it? No. He told us like six hours before when we did the regular act that day. And when he told us, we're just like, well, this is going to lead to me eating someone's vomit later tonight. Yeah. And that's how it did. Yeah. Are we, where are we at with beer Olympics?

Are we invited? Are you guys going to commit? Yeah. We committed last time. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, there's, no, no, no. We had tested. You never backed out.

We never backed out. There's, there's countless clips you'd be like, I'm, I don't know. I'm not going to do it. All these people backed out. And then we stayed. We never said we're out. You guys were,

you guys were patting us on the head. We never said we were out. Yeah, did we complain about having to do it? And in the Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be a real shame.

But I remember Big Cat texting me and he was like, hey, no more bad vibes. No more, no more bullshit. Like, I'm in. We're in the foxhole. And I remember being like, I'm, I'm really happier you're saying this because when Dave pulled all that production, it's like, we were in hell. Yeah. We were in hell trying to keep out above water.

And then we're big cap was the first move to continue back. I'm like, we have to do something. There's a good move. It was fun, though. We had a lot of fun. If you're doing it again, I think this is the last one, right? Allegedly. I mean, I can't drink beer anymore.

Like, I drink 10 beers and I puke. So I'm in, but I'm in puke. I just don't. I just don't. I'm just old. I'm washed. Are you guys in? I used to always, I mean, I was a pukeguer in college.

It'll be in Nashville. In Nashville. It'll be in Nashville. I'm in my backyard. I'm in. Listen. Can you. Can we not do the three beer chug to start?

No. That's hard for me. Here's the thing. I beat Quentin Nelson. I'm willing to be. But I think the three beer chug is so elite. I think it's a great like let's get going. Yeah.

You're right. We're getting a sprint. Here's my. You have offensive linemen out there and they're able to drink these beers. Yeah. But what was you claimed of the thing? Who did you last year? You beat Clinton Nelson.

And I told him so many times. You were just like, dude, I got it. The most infuriated I was in that whole entire thing was the end of the night when Will was pissing me off beyond belief because I just want to finish the game because it's dark. The whole goal going to be Olympics was, hey, we got to finish before dusk. That is like pretty much the goal. And I'm already mad at Will because he's yelling at the other people. And then out of nowhere, you come put on the referee up and you start whistling everything.

Good and bad. I'm thinking, dude, I'm about to beat this guy. I thought Big Cat was working for us. No, I was going to be. He's helping us out. You guys were doing a huddle and I whistled you and gave you a tactical and you're like, what's that for? I thought you guys were a kiss.

And Taylor Taylor looked at me And he was just like You fucking stop right now Yeah Will thought I was 100% on his side It was WWW he's helping us Taylor he's helping us He's helping us like bro he's not

He's slowing us down I want to do Barstool Columbia The Cocaine Olympics The Cigarette Olympics Such a great idea Would be incredible too Like trick shots blowing rings A big bong hit of just cigarette smoke

Can you just make a rule though next year If I puke I can keep playing Yeah That's the thing is like I'll puke, but it's just to get more room. Like I can keep drinking after it. Yeah, you're actually like your stomach stables or something. Like you know, I just, I puked and then I just, I wanted to keep drinking and they're like,

you can't get back in the game. Puking him. Puking was supposed to be okay. Back to Ari. Two years ago, I want to say Hardy's wife puke. And people were up in arms about people puke and they're like, that shouldn't be allowed. I just, I get full. I mean, at that point when I puked this time, it was like 12 beers in an hour and a half.

It was like, I need some more room. You know who I feel like has to play? You know what I feel like has to play. Who has to play? Max. Yeah. He's a beast. He's our Sherm.

That's your Sherm? Yeah, that's our Sherm. If Sherm defected to Barstool in a month, what would you do with Sherm? Would you replace him? Anything you want it? Whatever he wants. Would you replace Max and Sherm? He's a star.

He's extremely talented. Every show. Every single show. You know what I would do? He'd be so sick to himself. You know, I would cut him loose. I'd say whatever you want to do. No.

Yeah. You have our support. You can't have him do that. Whatever you need. I'm telling you right now, it's a bad idea. I've seen this guy. 100% sure no he's no sure I free reign you get anything he wants dang sure that sounds kind of nice I'd probably leave too

pretty good idea you'd come back to us in a month be like it they gave me way too yeah one thing about good managers you hire talented people and you let them do their thing and you trust them that's what we would do yeah we don't put them in a box like you'd take such good care you have to you can't cage a songbird you can't cage a song you can open the box a little bit you can open it all the way no I want them flying yeah everywhere let him rip yeah just Just write down a number and slide me a number. And I'll let you know if we can do it.

Right down. What a sway? Swing for the start. You're in for the Olympics. Yeah, I'm in. Are you in for beer Olympics? I mean. Because I heard it was the last one.

I have to be there for the last one. I mean, I want it to be the last one because I want to go and just be like, let's do this. One rule. What? And this is me just looking at. No Vegas. No Vegas for sure. But keep it open mind.

We can't let Will be doing part of my take after the beer Olympics. Listen. That was one of the most, that was a regrettable for all of us. Because there was, we were upstairs and you're like, hey, Will's coming on a show, do you want to do it? Even in my junkist, you were. You were so smart. You were so smart. I'm doing this.

That was a very regrettable episode of part of my team. Oh, bro. We don't do it often. Hey, that was very regret. How do you feel about JJ? Will, have you heard from JJ Reddick since that podcast? Yeah. What do you said?

Put him on the mat. He called him. We caught it. He called it. It actually might have been. Yes. And I had to tell him. I was like,

dude. Actually, no. I'm sorry, Will called you. You haven't talked to me. I was like, I'm sorry Will called you. We're cutting this.

And then in his head, he's like, well, I know these guys. They don't cut anything. It's like, no, no, I'm actually sorry.

And so we had like a back and forth. It was just like, Will, what are you doing? Why are you calling? I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make you one of this. My bad.

I'm not all good. JJ and our boys, he knows he can give me a great podcast. Whatever he needs. He knows I got him. Sherm, let me see the number. We'll get the number. We'll get mad at us for just,

we were talking back late because he's like, sound like you guys don't like JJ. We're ready to fight us. It's a foxhole guy. Let's see what the number is. Why did you hold it so many fucking times? Because he does origami, because his talent. That's it?

Done. That's it. It doesn't matter. That's no problem. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. No, no, no, no, no.

Double it. That's between. I thought it would be double. I was expecting double that bad negotiating on his app we got Sherm on a cheap deal it's locked in Sherm's yours if he wants to that number is

no problem. Not to move damn sure you don't want to loss you like that you don't go Chicago you don't have fun every single day you don't be a lot of stuff dude he asked for 50K you guys pay him 30

how many we pay him 30 no how many you know we got off the sports is going to have a great article about this. It's going to be sweet. How many guys have you had work on part

of my take? Like behind the scenes or producer or whatever it is. Really not that many when you think about all the years. Interns counting two? Yeah. Darren Revell. No, Dana was an intern. Ken Jack. Hank, so the first like

two years Hank had to do everything, which was crazy. So it was like the beginning of part of my take, we got very big and we all moved to New York. And it was like kind of a week everyone was trying to find their spot at bar stool and we kept on being like i think this is working i think this is pretty big we need some more help and we didn't get more help for a while and then finally we got leum bubba and then uh max and then now we have memes uh pug shane jack so i think

seven of us now so it's pretty like grew yeah it's not like all the jps you guys got how I got seven JPs. How fast did you guys start blowing up for when, was your very first episode? Was that in the, in the van? No. It was in my living room in Austin. I would say it was probably like two months. It was actually the very biggest first moment was we had a guy named Kyle Wilcher on who played

in Kentucky then transferred to Gonzaga. And Gonzaga, I think was maybe the two seed that year in the tournament. Good basketball player. he came on and he told us that Adam Morrison had a apocalypse bunker and that got picked up by everyone and it kind of like blew us up and then Adam Morrison was like no I don't like people think I'm crazy and then we had Adam Morrison on he became a friend which was pretty cool so that was like the first big pop and then it was Joe Buck and SVP later that summer Blake Griffin too Blake Griffin yeah we love your blakes yeah we love our blakes yeah portals like so it was probably like six months that it was like oh shit And then there was also this weird thing where, uh, the old, the way they used to do the old podcast, it was like, was it through Iheart. Yeah.

It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was something where the numbers were not real, like they were just inflated. So I remember, I think our Jim Harbaugh episode, they were like, like, four million people listened to it was like, that's not possible. Like, there's just no way that happened. And then they like adjusted it. And it was like, actually it was like, you know, seven, 100,000 like, okay, that's a realistic number.

That's so pretty good. Yeah. I remember. Was it just audio? Yeah, it was. We don't, we didn't do YouTube for, because we only had Hank. No, we had, we had a video for Harbaugh, right? Yeah, for some of the, for some of the special ones. Yeah, that was a trip. And we do like clips and stuff. But yeah, Hank, because it was just Hank, we didn't do YouTube. The only video clips that we'd ever have would be like occasionally somebody, was a Kinnjack that would make the videos that went along with it. Yeah. So it was like, not even stick figure animation. It was just like, here's a picture of Big Cat as he's talking. There's a picture of me.

Here's a picture of whatever it is that we're talking about. Like Chris Jones with his dick popping out. And we make a video that way. But yeah, it was not like a video podcast at all at the start. I remember when I first moved to New York because I moved there from Austin, Texas. And like Barstle is now, it's massive in Austin. It wasn't that big from what I saw at the time back in like 2015, 2016. But when I moved to New York, I went out for wings. at this place called Wojee's, which is my favorite wing place in New York. And I go there, like the first week I'm in town,

and the server comes up to me, and he's wearing a shirt that says gas and beers and chuck and nucks. And that's what Ryan Whitney had told us on the pod, like three weeks ago. We're like, that's a great saying. Let's make t-shirts out of it. I was like, holy fuck, this guy has, like, our obscure t-shirt. He's, like, the first waiter that I see in New York.

And little did I know that that was going to be, like, you know, a very common thing. But when I saw that I was like, this is kind of crazy. This guy, this guy knows about the spit and situate Massachusetts. Yeah. Yeah. So that was, yeah, those little moments where it's like, oh, shit, starting to get recognized. Now, when you guys are blown up kind of like grassroots, like, was it like social media, like Twitter and stuff where you guys are getting everything out there?

Is it like Reddit? Are these back channels? No, it was mostly just social media and like word of mouth. And I think we were just, we were very lucky that we came around in a time 2016 where there weren't. a ton of podcasts. And we were very unique in the fact that we were two dudes just having fun with sports and doing, like, another one that was, I feel like is like a seminal moment is, I don't know if you guys, you guys probably don't know anything I'm about to say,

but there's a guy named foul ball guy catches basically a million foul balls. Like, he's the best to ever do it. Literally to ever do it. Hold on, he does clinics on how to catch foul balls. He's the best. He'll go to a game and he'll get like five foul balls minimum. He just finds the right seat to sit. He knows where he's sitting.

He became home run guy because he started catching home runs too, Zach Hample. So there was a, over the summer there was a baseball game and an army base, MLB game. And it was tickets were only for like veterans and active service members.

And he somehow got in. And then it became this huge, huge controversy where the other guy we had in our back pocket, Marlins man, who would just go to games and just be seen sitting in the front row. He'd go to like a World Series game and he would just be sitting in the front row with his Marlin shirt on. So they had a beef and then we had them both on to squash the beef. And it's really stupid saying it out loud. But like those are the moments that I think help

those croaks. People are like, what is this show? Like what the fuck are they talking about? They were really bad at each other. They were so mad. Marlon's man. What was the beast? Marlon's man. So Marlon's man, he never makes it about himself. He just likes to go to games, sit front row, be on TV. Personal believers. Yeah, so, and he was mad because the, the game at the base would have been prime Marlins' man sitting on TV, but he was like, I'm respecting the truth. I'm not going to try to get a ticket. Okay. A foul ball guy did get a ticket.

Yeah. So he was just like, this is bullshit. I should have been there. Again, not making about himself sitting on TV. So he was mad that foul ball guy was there and he wasn't there. I think that was one of the guy. I know. He stood for integrity and he was just upset that foul ball guy was there.

So when it was all said and done, where do you guys stand on foul ball guy and Marlon? I love foul. I mean, foul ball guy is a controversial figure, but I think it's one of those things you got to respect ratings. Yeah. Like he's the best,

he's the best to do it. He's the best that's ever been. People get mad at the best. That's just the, the crossy bears. Now, if you take him, Marlon man and foul ball guy,

you put him in a dark room, who's coming out? Marlins man. I don't know, foul ball guy's got it. He's like a little shit. If Marlins man brings his cats, yeah,

I'm going to, he's got eight giant cats. Yeah, coon cats. I'm talking about like, these cats weigh 20, 25, 30 pounds each. Oh, wow.

And Marlins man is a survivor. Yes. Marlins man almost died in a plane crash. Marlins man almost got aborted. Like at birth? Yeah. Yeah. He told us all this.

Yeah. So he's a survivor. He's a survivor. But yeah, Barlin's man gave us the idea in 2016 to sell merch with the Barstool logo on it. That was him. Yeah.

It's huge. And that really turned the company around. Yeah. So Marlin's a man has done a lot to this company. This is the Barstool sign. Yeah. He gave us a gang sign. Yeah, when you go like that, that means forcibly.

No, you can't do it. It's only. Well, I'm still here, right? To the end of the end of the month. Yeah. You're going to stool down. Stool. Yeah, it's always still down.

No, this is stool down. All right now. Yeah. And also it'll be your Olympics. Look at this. Bang. The crowd. He just tracks the balls better than anyone.

And people claim he steals it from kids. He never steals it from kids. He wears, like, he does all the tricks. He'll go, he'll go to, like, batting practice. And he'll have both jerseys. so he'll switch the jerseys and be like oh can you give me a you know like Mike trout in his angel's jersey like Mike trout

can I get one and then he'll switch it and be like a Yankees jersey he's like Aaron Judge can I have one look at him Did you see that? Yeah look at nobody That's greatness Respect great Wait is that a kid that he's mossing

Yeah But he never took it from kids Kids got to hit the weight room Kids got to learn a job What are you going to do? Look at this right over the kids Oh no the kid's scared of it He actually saved the kid's life

Bang Hero Kid So what are you guys doing before part of my take? Like, how did you guys come across each other? Because weren't you, you were, were you writing for pro football talk? No, no. I was writing for kissing Susie Colber and SB Nation.

And they were just sports blog. Okay. So, yeah, I was blogging for them. I talked about a little bit with Rosillo, but I was a used dog salesman in Austin. And then I upgraded to selling software. And then I just hated my job. And so I started this Twitter account like as a diversion to do something

creative, make myself laugh. And then eventually I was like, I hate this job. It crushes me every day. I just want to try to write. And so then I was blogging at the time. So like full time, probably like seven, eight blogs a week, which forgot like Big Cat, that's rookie numbers

because we had to blog a lot back of the day. Yeah, I was just blogging for Barclos. So you were blogging for Barstle before PFT was even around. Yeah, so I was at Barcelona from 2012 and we had to do like it was a blog it was a blog every 40 minutes starting at 9 a.m. until 5 and then after our blog. So I'd write like 10 blogs a day. And then we I followed PFT.

He followed me. It was like this guy's hilarious. You just came across him on the internet. Well, we started getting people started saying that we were like copying each other. They'd be like, oh, that's a joke he would have made. That's joke he would have made. And then he was in Chicago for a wedding. And I was like, let's grab a beer.

and we hit it off hanging out. And then we were at a point at Barso where it was like, there was like eight of us. And it was still, we were so small. So I just told like, I remember we, we had the beer and I was just like,

if we ever get to a point where like we're hiring like, you're the first person I'd want us to hire. And then when we got bought by Churnin and did the whole move to New York, I told Dave, I was like, we got to hire this guy. Is Churning or is this where big vision? They're like,

hey, we're going to start getting in the podcast world? They, yeah, podcasting. So KFC Radio, Kevin started like podcasting at Barstool, which he did, she should get a ton of credit for because at the time, Dave was like, this is a dumb idea. So I did KFC radio with Fidelberg and Kevin for a few years. So yeah, Kevin, Kevin had the vision to do it, uh, early on. And then, yeah, when, when we got bought and we all moved to New York, I was like, we got to hire PFT, hired him, hired Caleb, hired a few,

different people and then we started like the minute i think it was like maybe one month into him getting hired we started part of my take and then the rest is kind of history now on k sr radio are you got is that like sports centric or they no it was more lifestyle and then you were like hey it was more yeah it was more uh like we would do dumb hypotheticals shoot the shit um and then yeah so then and then we started bar stool when we got bought and all moved to new york we started adding podcasts and yeah it became kind of the I don't want to say we're a podcast company, but obviously that's a big part of it. So I went back because I haven't looked at these probably since they were sent,

but the first DMs between myself and Big Cat, 2014, April 17th. I guess a site that I was working for, it looks like they got bought by another site. So Big Cat thought I was moving to New York. And I was like, no, I'm in Austin. And then he says, do you write just as freelance? Do you have a regular job outside of writing? I was trying to hire him right away. I say I'm freelance.

I used to have an outside job trying to make this my career. Big Cat says, that's awesome. Start your own site or find a full-time gig somewhere. I said, I've got an e-book coming out in a couple weeks. If that does well, there are publishers who are interested, but right now just scraping by. That was Gidel versus Obama, the battle for the future of the NFL. Are you a southern guy originally?

Barstall South has always been a priority. Wouldn't have to give up TFT. And then I was... and he says well if you're ever interested in barstle shoot me an email gives me the email we're always looking for writers have goals on opening a southern site and uh he says and even if not email me i have a guy who would be funny if you try to start your own website and uh then big cat sent me a picture of him meeting adam shepter oh when was that oh i think that was outside of the super bowl i like tracked him down and maybe

I don't even know what it was. Yeah. But yeah. Awesome. Let's meet at the theory bar on State and Hubbard. It's a block from your hotel, 130. I say, sounds good. I'll be the white guy drinking a beer.

Found each other. That was it. Yeah, that was it. That was it. And then the first time that he came and hung out with us was 2015 is actually my 30th birthday, his the day after. And we went out and I introduced him to Dave.

And I was like, Dave, this is PFT. He's super talented. did like, you know, like, how you miss, I was like, to Dave, I was like, you know how you misspell stuff and like fuck things up? Like, PFT does that, but he's doing it on purpose. That's you and, wow. Yeah, I think that's San Francisco. Way back in the day. Yeah. So yeah. And then, yeah, and then, and then Dave was like, yeah, let's do it. And then we hired a bunch of people and it was kind of a rocket ship. And then we hired you guys. When you get hired there and you say one month, how long did it take you guys? It took you

does one month, but like how quickly we're like, we gotta do a podcast. Oh, no. When we, when I told Dave, we got to hire PFT, I was like, we're doing a podcast. Yeah, yeah, we're doing it. And actually, an interesting part of this whole story is Hank was like very close to quitting Barstall at that. Why? Because so he went, so Hank didn't, he went to college for a year and then started

at Barstow when he's 19. I've known Hank since 19 years old. He, uh, we did this thing called the Dixie tour where he, Caleb, uh, Bus Boy Benny and they went down in the south. They went like campus to campus big football games, whatever. So Hank like spent three months, four months just getting fucked up, being on the road, being like this is what real college looks like. And after the Dixie tour, he kind of like sat me down. He's like I'm thinking about maybe like going back to college or doing something like kind of having almost like a little mini life crisis.

And I was like, dude, just stick with me for like another year. We're about to get bought by churning. We're about to hire this guy at PFT. I want you to produce the podcast. And that was the best decision he ever. But yeah, he was very close. He was like, we had a heart to heart where he was like, I'm thinking about leaving barstool and like doing something else.

I don't know if I could do this. And yeah. So that was a good save. Was he thinking like film school? I don't know. I think he was thinking film school. And he just kind of was like not lost, but just a little. It also was tough because he was in that Milton office.

And that wasn't, they say Milton tough for a reason. It was like you're thrown into the ringer where it's just like, you know, it's a pressure cooker. Is the Milton office that house? It was a dentist office. That's the one that was in Boston. Gads posted something last week. I want to say it was maybe when smokes was talking about work hours. Yeah.

But there was like a clip from like way back in the day. When Bidelberg's sitting. The guy was like he was late a couple days in a row. Dave sat at the door. Same 1030. Yeah. Fights walks in the door. And I thought it was so funny.

Yeah. But that's the Milton office? That's the Milton office. So yeah, that was like Gazz, Dave. uh Hank Lewis um there was other people like you know coldie was there for a little bit weird haircut Seth was there pirate Simon um so yeah it was kind of like a whole mishmash and that was that was the first barstool office that wasn't dave's just a apartment before before part my take what was the biggest thing going with barstool then was it just a blog it was blog it was run down

rundown that's right yeah so rundown was every day me yeah me Kevin and Dave guess that ass. Yeah. Guess that ass was pretty big. Guess that ass was pretty big. We should bring that back. We should. But yeah, it was, uh, the rundown was like the big thing that was in KFC radio,

but that those were the big things that were kind of like our first four A into video and audio and all that stuff. Was it awkward when part of my take transcended as fast as you guys did? Like more from, I guess, your position. Yeah. Coming into a new gig and probably learning about it on the fly. I'm still learning. You got to feel good about it. I'm still, the biggest thing.

I'm still learning about, like, the past relationships that I had no idea about. Like, occasionally Hank will mention some of them. I was like, oh, I didn't know that about Pirate Simon. Yeah. Yeah. It was awkward. I'll say it. It was awkward.

It was awkward in the fact that when we got to New York, everyone was kind of looking for their thing. And we had our thing very quick. So it was like, it was before Dave's like pizza reviews like blew up. You know what I mean? So it was, it was just this weird time where I think everyone was really hungry. and like wanting to work really hard and try to find something that work. And we just were lucky enough to find the thing that worked

before everyone else. So I think there was a little tension there. But then as time went, like everyone kind of found their lane and it dissipated. So like naturally dissipated. But I mean, you can understand like if everyone's going to one place, everyone's moving their family and doing everything. And one, a couple guys are like hit the ground running

and just have this like shooting star success. it's going to cause a little tension. Yeah. But, I mean, I, the, the crazy thing about Barstow, I think it's like a testament to it is like, Dave is still doing it. I'm still here. Kevin's still here. Like, Fidelberg, Hank, like, Gaz, all these guys that were original guys, there's a loyalty to Barstool that I don't think you find at many other companies.

And I think it's pretty special. Yeah. Not to bring up the L word for you guys. Sorry. I told you guys, though. I had a heart to heart with both of you. I told you guys straight up when you, when you were talking about leaving.

Like, I can't, I can't sit here and be like, man, how could you guys do this? Because I came into Barstool and PFT as well. PFT, even though I was at Barstool for four years before.

And PFT was still like, play, 10. I think maybe we had shirts. I think I was like 12 maybe. Yeah, right. So PFT,

even though it's like, I still don't consider myself. Like, I'm not an OG. Right. So much stuff happened. But he's as close to an OG as you get because it's been, you know, I was at parcel for four years before PFT came,

but PFT's been at parcel for nine years. You know what I mean? So, um, but I told you guys, like, you can't compare it because I, this is my life's work. This is like my family. This is my, you know, all these people that, uh, I've been working with and like, they don't depend on me, but like part of part of it all working is, is me staying here and Dave staying here and PFT staying here.

We're in a different circumstance than you guys. You know what I mean? Like if I were hired at Barcelona in 2020 and had this success, I probably would have left too. You know what I mean? I probably would have gotten offered something and been like, I don't have the same years of everything built up. So, but I mean, I'll never,

I mean, I'll never have another boss besides Dave. Yeah. My agent hates when I say that, but I say it and I don't give a fuck. Because it's just like, do you ever, obviously this is an awkward question I'm putting you in a tough spot,

but do you guys ever think like, hey, a part of my take was its own thing? Not in a way of like, you wish it did happen. But I'm sure there had to have been times along the way. Oh, there's been multiple times. Because it wasn't the ESPN thing pretty sensitive when it started and then you guys were bummed, but ultimately it's like you're going with the brain.

You're going with the team that you guys were. And we were also like super naive at the time. Very. So we thought this was going to be cool. Hey, we're going to be on TV. That's awesome. TV at the time, like it was still the big thing. Yeah.

Right. And we had a couple people tell us like Dave was, was insistent that they were trying to hire us. Yeah. And me and Big Cat were like, I don't think so. I think they just want to do a show with us, which is cool. They were definitely trying to. And you're thinking.

They were a million percent trying to. Like John Skipper brought us into his office and sat us down. It was like feeling us out. Yeah. Figure out like, am I going to make these guys an offer or what? Like it was, it was done like kind of behind the back. And we were like, why is everything so secret? We were so dumb.

We were very dumb. Like behind the back isn't like behind Dave's back kind of? Well, yeah. I mean, he asked us personally to go there and it wasn't like a meeting set up through Eric or Dave. And we were just like, oh, okay. Like we the I all the other production meetings were done yeah like Erica in Dave and this was done outside of that and and I think back to it and it's like we were so naive we were so stupid we we we we I learned so much from that experience the biggest one being like if a deal takes eight months nine months to actually happen they you probably shouldn't do the deal because it was like that was that was that was how long it took to get from like ESPN being like oh we want to do a TV show to like getting through. all the hoops and clearing everything.

It's like if you have to clear everything, you probably aren't going to have our back when the shit hits the fan. That turned out to be very true. But yeah, we were, we were like, no, ESPN doesn't want to hire us. That's crazy. We're just going to do this show and it's going to be awesome and it's going to make Barstool bigger. Right. Way wrong.

Very wrong about that. And then they didn't have our back at all. Yeah. And that was the biggest lesson is like Barstle has our back. Our fans have our back. We don't need ESPN. We don't need a TV show. We don't need all this stuff.

Our fans are here. They're going to stick with us no matter what. So why like I actually when we and I know it sounds cliche and I think both the FDA I've said this many times, but like going through the barstool van talk thing was the best thing for us because once it the dust settled, we realize like we have the number one sports podcast. We don't need anything else. We have our fans right here. We don't need to go anywhere else. We have it to them. We can give it to them.

We don't have anyone telling us what to do. Why would we ever mess that up? So every offer since then has been no thanks. Yeah. If that never happens, you guys might be sitting here today being like, what if? Yeah. What if ESPN does come or. Right.

Or whatever. And we've had times like, I mean, PFT's contract's been up. I've never become a free agent because I just, I just haven't. But like there's, and we're very open with each other about it. Like he's, when his contract's been up, he's just like, I'm going to at least take some calls. Like I have to. And it's like, yeah, you have to. You take the meetings and then they, they throw big numbers in front of you.

At least is how I felt. Like, you think about the number. You're like, that's a cool number. to hear. Like, that's amazing. And then I think about, okay, well, I'd also be leaving part of my take. If that were to happen, the show means a lot to me. We started it. We've seen it grow. We put so much effort into it. I love these guys. I love her fans. I don't, like, I feel a sense of responsibility to them, too. It's like, I had bands and shows that I love growing up. And if they split up, like, it really, like, affected you a little bit. If we're committed to it, there's a lot

of people out there that feel that way. And like that was a big part of saying like, no, I don't necessarily need to chase this huge number. Barsal, by the way, it's not like Barsol wasn't paying fair. Like they, they made good offers, but they were, you know, other companies were trying to throw big, big dollars. And I was just like, you know what? Number one, I don't feel like breaking up this podcast. I don't feel like ending it. We're not done here. And number two, it would come with a lot more responsibility. And part of making this decision for me was you have to know what you like to do. And I like doing the show.

I like the creative aspect. I like everything that goes to that. I don't think I'm good at starting my own company. You know, I don't think I'm good at hiring people and like, you know, keeping tabs on the administrative side of all that. That to me doesn't sound like fun. And I think that the show that I would create would suffer because I'm not, you know,

just totally locked in on the creative aspect. And so it was a combination of all those things. And also, like, there's no better job in the world, in my opinion, than doing part of my take. So it became the first time was, like, kind of hard to say no. The second time, I was like, I don't, I don't even need to take the meetings. Like, we're going to figure something out. It'll happen. Yeah.

And I think, too, when you look back at other shows, whether it be like Mike and Mike or Deezeson Mero and, like, no offense to those guys. But you can see what happens with the break or, like, Princess and, you. Mad Dog, like, Belichick and Brady. You can see, but all these breakups, you can see exactly what happens. There's one person that thinks they're the star and they're like, I want to go get my thing. I'm bigger than you and this. Whereas like,

I know, like personally, I think PFT feels the same way. If we split up, would I be able to have a successful podcast? Yeah. But it would be like 60% of, or 50% or 40% of what part of my take is. We would never separately be able to reach 100% of what part of my take is. So it's like,

Mark that you had done to 40% all of it. Yeah, that was a big part of it. Like if I were to leave, I could start a show it could be good. But it would never. And honestly, it would never surpass what part of my take was

and I would always be trying to chase that. Right. And that's not a healthy place to be mentally. Each of us separately, if you just said round numbers, like if you're going 100%, I think each of us separately would reach 70% of our audience, right?

Separately. We would never get 100. And like, so it's the powers together. is like you like i just know that's what it is neither of us are the star so to speak you know what i mean like we're like oh it's because of me it's the whole thing right and it's all the guys too like the great thing about our show too is like Hank is a very big part of it he gets like he actually gets upset because we we like when it comes to like money and stuff or like things were splitting up we'll split it a third a third third with hank he's like i didn't do shit we're like

dude, but you're, like, you're a big part of this. You, you built this with us and Max and mean, all these guys. They assure him, you got to go. Yeah, did you hear that? Hank gets a third thing. He does, so he gets mad at us when we do. Like, I mean, it's not for, it's not, we're not talking about like our contracts, but we're talking about like when we have revenue splits for things.

Right. We always make sure everyone else gets something because it's like, we can't do this with just the two of us. Like, it's the whole team. But if you get, so that's awesome because I agree with you. Like having the chemistry is way more than just going off and trying to do your own thing. Right. Part of my take has been on the top for so long.

Like, what's the next thing you guys are trying to chase? Like, what is the next, like, oh, this would be awesome to achieve this? I don't know that we think that way. I think we let the show evolve naturally, depending on what's happening. You can plan everything out. And if it doesn't happen organically, then it's not going to be that successful. But, yeah, we're just going to keep doing what we do and try to find, like, the most natural paths for us to evolve it. Like, if there's new platform that comes out that we have to be on, then we'll find somebody that,

knows about that platform and we'll figure out how to optimize that. But I don't think that we've never sat down and had like a strategic like two year what's our which are two year plan. Well yeah. And I think it's a very it's a weird feeling because in the media business in sports and anything in business every a lot of people are always like what's the next thing. What's the next thing? What's the next thing? What's the next thing? You see like someone, a media person like start a podcast and they're on ESPN. Then they're doing this. And it's like they're climbing the ladder. The BV, the, the, the, the, the, the Van Talks experience kind of told us like, hey, we're good where we're at on the ladder. You know what I mean?

Like we're never going to be movie stars. We're never going to have, you know, a Netflix show. But I don't give a fuck. Like where we're like, I think it's a very great feeling to have to be like at peace, at what you have and not constantly being like, what's the next thing. So I haven't thought about what's the next thing since Barstool Van Talk. And it's been the best feeling in the world because what's the next thing? it's Sunday night, Tuesday night, Thursday night, we're going to record.

And I, you know, obviously in the back of my head, I'm like, we're getting older. Eventually we'll hit a point where people will start mocking us and be like, you're the old guys. But we also have an audience that's grown old with us. Right. So. And I, I welcome the time when we just get mocked for being old and forgetting shit. Guess what? We're going to keep doing it.

And it's still going to be fun. If I'm having fun and I'm laughing, he's making me laugh, I'm making him laugh. We're going to keep doing it. And if people are busting or bulls for being old, it means they're still paying attention. They're still listening. Right. And they're busting our balls because it's fun to make fun of people that you listen to sometimes.

And I get that. You can't take everything seriously. It's when they just stop commenting altogether. Right. That would be the, that would be bad. That would be the moment. But even when they stop, we'll probably keep doing it.

Like we joke about it all the time. If we stopped, if you told us Barstool just cease to exist tomorrow, part of my take cease to resist tomorrow. What would you do? And the honest answer is I'd probably call up PFT, Hank, and Max, and be like, like, hey, you guys want to come over and watch some football? And then we would just do the podcast just sitting there. Like when we flew here yesterday, we just did a full podcast on the plane.

Yeah. They like just talking, you know? That is awesome. I can tell you from experience, it's not that bad when people make funny for forgetting stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

I don't know. And you don't have to be able to do it too. Yeah, you don't have to be able to do. We just get a daily basis. What do you think we should do with the Wilcompton Museum? I kind of like the route he's going. He's just add more Will Compton. Yeah, we're just going to add all the Will Compton.

It's such a weird, you know, when he brought it up the first time, it is a very like, it's like, yeah, I love that it got built in the first place. But if he did away with it, it's like, it's forever no matter what. We were never going to do away with it. But I do like the idea. All I told him, I was like, just protect that, unless you give it back to me, but protect that, uh, that redskins. Yes, I got that.

But yeah, I do think that in like 10 years, if we have like 50 Wilcomptons, just memorializing that's tall, it'd be very funny. Yeah, statue made. I mean, just who, oh, and when Andrew Luck was here, I gave him a tour of the Wilcompton Museum. And I was like, and here's Will's jersey from the Titans. Then here's other Will Compton and a TCU tailgate. And it's just like ridiculous.

That's awesome. Yeah. What did you think about the museum? He liked it. He did? Did he remember me as a player? Yes. Yes.

He definitely did. Did you ever play against him? Uh, I don't know. I don't remember. I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure we played against the Colts. Yeah, I think we did.

2018 was his last year? I'm trying to think. 2015, we played the NFC. PFT would probably mess up. I'm trying to remember if that team played the Colts. But he was injured a couple of the years for like full years. Yeah, but we, in 2015, you know what? All the NFC East, because I was in the AFC South.

We did play at Indianapolis one time because that is where I got a spinal cord concussion. Oh. That's running down, running down on kickoff. Yeah. Spinal cord concussion just sounds a way worse than a concussion. It's like where the, I don't even know the word, but they narrow like in your spine, like the fluid lines that go down your chest. Like you were close to being paralyzed?

They kind of narrow and they get an MRI to see if there's anything off with it. Came out clean. Your body just goes like a metal pole just hits a, you know, or a bat just hits a pole. It just rattles. Did they give you that, that injection that's like, it makes you cold? You know, they put you in a medically induced coma? The little ice pick that goes up your out? You're talking about the dye?

No, no. It, like, lowers your body. body temperature. Yeah, like, Debar Hamlin, when he went through his thing, they, like, put him in a medically

induced coma where his body temperature was like 88. No shit. Yeah. I never heard of that. I never had that. That's crazy. Then they got the clone out.

What's the biggest injury you guys have ever sustained? I tore up my ankle real bad, like ligaments, tendons. I still have terrible. I went actually to this place called a stretch lab

where they just stretch you out. Sure. And they do a test in front of a computer and it shows, like, your weaknesses. And I was pretty good overall. And then it was just two red circles

around my ankles. That's so tough. I got, I've broken probably like eight or nine ribs, I think. And at one time? No, no, like over the course of, of my life. Hernated disc, that was bad. Broken ribs are no joke.

You guys heard no way to, I don't probably, herniated. That one, I was, I was literally, we actually did a, they came over to my house because I couldn't get off the floor. For only three days, we did a podcast from my house. I was just sleeping on the floor. I just kept on telling my wife I was like just fucking shoot me He played Cardinals one time

And I did something to like my SI joint And we stayed in Arizona For the week before we went to San Francisco And I literally just brushing my teeth Getting out of bed Any kind of movement I was like this is the worst thing ever Yeah

The only thing that helped was like kind of walking So I'd stand up all day Walking a little And then once I got to bed I was like I just I pray to God I can walk when I get up in the morning Oh when I hurried in my just last time I was playing basketball

And I was like I felt it like I felt it like I felt it like a real like knife in your back. I was like, no, I'm good. I kept playing. Got it in an Uber home, got out of the Uber and literally could not move. I stood at like the lamp post for 30 minutes because I couldn't move.

I was so it was fucking. Yeah, back injuries. It's kind of like the NFL are the worst. Yeah, a lot like play. I've had I've had. You guys just did that question to fucking make us look like. Yeah. I want to know what you've been through.

As I said it, I was like, yeah, these guys are easy. I talking about spinal concussed. I'm like, I went for a loose ball and pickup and hurt me and had an awry on my back. It was like I got internally decapitated and had to put my head back on inside my neck. I've had four concussions, but how many do you guys think they leave? Yeah, well, four diagnosed. Okay. Yeah.

But how many would you guys say you're at? I honestly, I don't know. The only time I ever got held out the rest of the game and we were already in the fourth quarter and it was the last game of the season, I passed my baseline in the locker room and was raised. ready to go back out there, but they're like, you know, basically a minor concussion, a mild concussion. Yeah. But probably several. I mean, I had that, I had that instance where I'm like stiff internally for a minute several times. But every time, like, I pass a test on the sideline and you're kind of just, you're back with it. So I think I am. And you're just like,

you know, you get back. Yeah. So I don't know how many diagnosed. I've had like three or four maybe diagnosed to like how to sit out those types of things. But there's, always the you're in the middle of the game you take a hard hit you're kind of like bell that was crazy yeah you see the stars yeah that was wild you know they wake up the next day and you you know that something's not right yeah that's the worst part that's kind of how like the first uh i think we're talking about this couple weeks ago the first couple like the first week of camp i feel like it's just one long concussion because you have like your helmet on all week and you're like it even hurts to have the helmet on then you like headache the next day you're neck sore and so like

and then after a week you're like okay this is my new normal it's my new baseline yeah and then i would always go through like as soon as the season ended, I'd have like three weeks of fog where I'd be like kind of like tired, lethargic. Like putting words together was more tough than usual. And then all a sudden like three weeks a day, I'd be like, okay, I feel fine. It's all, it's all good. Every time you can't remember something in the back of your head, are you like, oh, fuck, that's a concussion. As I get older it is. Yeah. Sometimes it's just normal though. It's just normal to forget stuff. It's you're psyching yourself out when you're like, oh, it's so interesting. Being a young football player compared to being an old, like, as you get older, because when you, when you're, it's, it's

when you're young, like truly if you died on the gridiron, if you like went and they're like, they checked your pulse and was like, he's not with us anymore. The most honorable way to go out. Like that is, you literally think to yourself like, I, I can only pray today's that day for me. Yeah. And then as you get older, you have kids or whatever. And you're like, holy shit. Yeah. Is there like a what if something actually happens? Yeah. Yeah. The fear starts. Now that I'm done, I was talking to JP by this earlier today. Like I feel like I have to constantly stay ahead of the sticks as a part of like nutrition and all that stuff. Because it's like you're going to decay eventually. Yeah. Just try to outlast. it as long as possible.

Yeah, that's scary. So I'm like super hyper-sensitive to it. One thing I noticed growing up, because I played, I played like different sports. I played a little bit of football. I played soccer. I played basketball. I played baseball.

Every coach in every sport besides football knew that concussions were bad. I swear to God, this was not like people say like knowing what we know now about concussions and that they're not good. It's like, I remember being eight years old and somebody would get hit in the head and the coach would be like,

no, we got to make sure you don't get concussed. You got to sit after a little bit. like going through high school on the high school soccer team you got a freshman year somebody got a concussion coach is like you're sitting out two weeks we can't risk that and then in football they'd be like yeah we don't know like concussions it could be a good thing could be a bad thing yeah we're still figuring this out it's like it was the only sport that did not like even wrestlers wrestlers would be like yeah you're concuss you can't wrestle right and football yeah you just think you're like a pussy if you don't like her yeah some of those old clips like we i do a radio hit in chicago with uh waddle and sylvie

and Sylvie, or sorry, Waddle played for the Bears. And there's a clip of him. It was John Madden broadcast a game. He got him to cost like five different times. And John Madden was like, oh, he's got the cobwebs again. Yeah. He's just like, this is insane. Yeah.

That video of like, uh, Kiko Alonzo playing and he like walks over the other sideline. Yeah. He's just so like not there. It's not. And the guys are like, oh, he doesn't know what sideline he's on. Yeah. Oh, isn't that funny. Yeah.

He's like crawling off on his elbows. And then I just like, it looks to be a little shaken up. Yeah. Oh, yeah. get those comments it is wild man um crazy but i know you guys had a last question before i have a question for you will before we okay i have another question is oh you go first the last question i was gonna ask because you talked about the first time i wanted i wanted to know if there's ever been like a friction between you guys you talked about the first time you were negotiating it was very hard to say no

is every time you thought he was leaving or vice versa the first time it's kind of weird having just entering into whatever whether it's text conversation or in person it i don't i want to say it was weird. The first time that he had to, like, talk to people, it wasn't like, because we talked about it. Like, we had a very open conversation about it. It's like, yeah, you have to do this. And it wasn't like tension. It was more just like, bummed out like this would suck. Yeah, it sucks. You know what I mean? Like, it wasn't like, oh, fuck, he's going to, like, I can't believe he's going to do this. It's more like, I know how the business works. If someone offers him something crazy that he can't turn down, this is going to bum me out real bad. So it's more having that, like, hover over your head.

Yeah. And the first. first time I got dragged out, I think, for like six months, the whole negotiating process. And that drags you down. And it's like everything's developing on both sides. Like Barstool was changing it. It was like right before the pen deal, I think. And so things were changing on that end. Things were changing with the companies that were offering stuff on the other end. And it was just like I would make sure to tell Big Cat like once a month, hey, here's where we're at, just so you know, this sucks. And then finally when you make the decision, it's like, okay, that How weird was it coming into the office knowing that it's all up in the air?

Well, I don't think it was weird at all. I just didn't like when I was thinking about it too much. Yeah. And I will say the Penn deal kind of sucked in the fact that I wasn't allowed to say anything to anyone. So it was just Dave Erica and I, no one else knew because it's a publicly traded company. Gotcha. So it was like very. And you're in with Barso at least.

You're not to say anything because the stock. Nothing. Right. Literally nothing. Like we had to sign all this paperwork. So like I couldn't tell PFT until like the day before it was announced. And that sucked. But it also was like, I don't, I, in my head, I'm like, it is good for all of us.

We're all going to, you know, make some money off this. So it's like, if I say something to someone and it fucks up this deal, I'll never, I'll never be able to deal with. Right. So that did suck, uh, that whole, like having to not tell literally a soul. Yeah. Like I, I think the only, the only people who knew were Dave Erica and then I told my wife. That was it.

Like there wasn't anyone else. So that, that did suck. But it worked. out and then it didn't work out and then it worked out again. Yeah. I mean, you guys probably would have been hired if it wasn't for Penn. Probably would have been hired or would not have. We signed right before the pen was done.

Yeah, what Big Cat said to this point, obviously do you take on investor money and everything else? They have the funds. When did you guys sign? February 2020. February 2020. That we are like two weeks later, you guys. But we had known it had been in the works for like six months.

And it was at the Super Bowl in January. Yeah. But like Penn coming on to Barstool, their big thing was like we have, we're a billion dollar corporation. We're going to invest in the company. So like your guy's deal probably is because Penn bought us. Our first deal though was just pure split revenue. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like the first time I was on the phone day. I think there was a conversation about an M.G and we were like, no. Well, yeah, we're just like, hey, we'll take a higher rev share because they was like, look, you guys already have a little something going on. We don't want your IP. That's also in all the caller down. Eddie stuff was going down too.

Yeah. He's like, you guys can keep your IP. We can talk about an M.G. And then splitting 50-50. So we decided to take like higher. It was all revenue split up. Yeah.

But Penn was able, we were able to take chances on a lot of other stuff. It was awesome. All right. Is you ready for my question? I'm ready. All right. This is going to be your last question?

This is my last question. You go. Can I go? Yeah. I just want to know about Pop Punk. What the, what the future holds for Pop Punk. That's a good question.

Are we in, we're scoring out kids. So, fair. We got, we got Frankie having a kid I think in what May and then Roan having kids

in May too and it's like twins yeah which is nuts and so we found out at the same like right at the same time we were doing a punk practice and then Frankie is up there and he's singing like that Creed song with Arms Wide Open or my sacrifice or something like that and then he's like and by the way guys I'm singing this song

because I'm about to be a dad in May and then Roan's like oh shit so you're in the first trimester right now. And I was like, that was some quick math from Rowan over there. Like, how does he know what fucking trimester you're in right now? Like 45 minutes later, Roan gets on the mic, he's like, guys, I'm also going to be a dad. And we're having twins, just completely alphaed, Frankie. Yeah, yeah. I shot two out. No, we got it, we got a couple songs that are in the tank that we've recorded sound pretty good. You're going to shoot some music videos for them and then maybe play

some festivals this summer. I love it. Second part question is if you guys are back in Nashville, I want to come back on stage. I thoroughly, I enjoy that so much. Yeah. Being able to sing that's my favorite genre of music. I love it. I'm all about it. I don't care if I sound good or not.

I am all about that. Okay. You're in. You're in. I love it. Yep. So beer Olympics, put up.

Beer Olympics, for sure. So it sounds like we're not even leaving Barf's still anymore. All right. My last question for Will, because we're probably never going to speak again. Do you want one last time for PFT and I to explain? to you why you go for two down 14 with like five minutes up. You can bring it.

Do you want us to explain it to you? Because I, like, in like two months from now, when this or next season, when the situation comes up and you're like, what the fuck? Why are they doing this? We're not picking up the call. We're not going to help you. You don't have to. I can still just tweet it out.

Okay. Well, we're not going to help you through this. You can explain it, but we've also talked about it. And you in PFT can explain those rules to me. Every coach that's come through. No. has talked about That's not true

They can shove analytics up the raft That's not analytics It's just math I understand the math No you don't You don't understand the math There's no math for momentum Do you know that any

Do you know anything is analytics Will is doing the thing where you use You use the term analytics To describe a number that you don't like Yes But you use all the numbers That you do like all the time Like if you're A Will

Let me ask you guys You're down by 21 points It's the third quarter What's your percentage Of run versus pass going to be? High pass. That's the analytics.

Here you goes the fucking stat nerd over here. Look at you. Doing analytics on us. You and the crunching numbers, nerd boy. Yeah. Look,

I don't. Don't let them call you nerd boy. Math has never won a Super Bowl will. Get them. They don't even use numbers for the Super Bowl. It's math. I understand it's math, bro.

But it's like if you don't get it, you can, you're going to have to. You're going to, but that doesn't mean you're going to get it the next time. Statistically, if you trust your offense. It's 50-50.

It's usually higher if you have a good play. Yeah, but. And what about if you do? You just think of the negative, not the positive. Mike Vrable, the guy you love, did this against the dolphins and it won them the game. I know. Taylor knows. You don't remember this?

Yeah, it was Miami. Two years ago, they were coming out of it off. Oh, this is what. I mean, they're saying how to play. Dan Campbell, Lions, a couple years ago. Yeah. And they're, instead of, instead of kicking a field goal. No, that's something different.

I'm not talking about. Okay, all right. But that's another, that's another one. No, talking about down 14 with, with, with, with, with, with three possessions left the game, five minutes, six minutes, you score a touchdown. You go for two. Why would you do that? Because if you get it, there's only going to be like, then you can win the field goal.

If you're going to be what, you're going to win the game. Yeah. Stopping a ball again. Yeah. You don't do it. When people ask, like, when people ask, like, would you do it in the third quarter? No, it's a very specific set of circumstances where you're down 14. And there's, say, five minutes left.

You know the only way you're going to win this game is you've got to score, stop, and score. You can't let them score again. So you're going to have to make up those 14. Go for two the first time. If you don't get it, you go for two the second time. Statistically speaking, most NFL offenses have two-point plays that are over 50%. So you're having two chances, over 50% chance.

You're going to get one of them. But if you get the first one, you can win in regulation. And does it always work? No, it doesn't. Sometimes it doesn't. Look at it right here. But it will work more often than that. Look at that.

going for two with how much time 240 left they're down eight they're they just scored it was 27 to 13 so they were down 14 they got the touchdown they went for two 27 21 then they stopped got a touchdown kick the extra point one in regulation yeah i mean i don't hate that all right let's go the time we started to go back and forth though is not over uh well no situation like this. It was, it was analytics overall.

And in that field goal moment is what. And I truly believe in, Dan Campbell, like, I think there's a shock factor when he goes for these when you're sitting on your couch. But if you talk to anyone on the lines,

they're like, we know we're going for it. Like, we know we're doing this. There's, we're playing pedal to the metal. You can disagree with the pedal to the metal, but he's consistently that way all the time.

He's not going off gut vibes. Right. He's not like, oh, it's the culture of that team. Exactly. It's like, we're going to fucking go for it.

And we're going to, step on their throat. Right. So, when they don't get it, you're like, oh, but look at the commanders.

Yeah, exactly. And look at the commanders this year. Yeah. In general, if you want to talk about like the upside

of doing it, Dan Quinn was as a great, I think he was more aggressive and more successful, right? Yeah. And it worked and we got to the fucking NFC championship game.

Like Washington did that. The commanders. Because of the aggressive nature of the first time. But the commanders Lions game, their nine point dogs. They go for it

on their first fourth down. They don't get it, Marcus Marriota, like everything gets fucked up. Dan Quinn wasn't like, oh shit. You know what he does? We didn't get it? No, he went for, and then they got the next three of them. You know what the Dan's do really good?

They put themselves in the mindset of an opposing team's fan. Yeah. Which more coaches should do. Correct. Like if you're watching at home and you're a fan of the Philadelphia Eagles and that first drive, I know we got our asses kicked, but that first drive, we're marching down the field, we keep going for it on fourth down. Eagles fans are like, I wish they'd fucking kick a field goal.

Yeah, I wish they punt, you know? And if you can convert on those, like, think about how, how defeated they are when we do the thing that they don't want us to do. That's how more coaches should look at it. Like, what is he afraid of on the other side? Is he happy that I'm kicking the ball? If so, fucking go for it. Well, you're nuts out.

This is football. To be honest with you, like, that made so much stuff. Yeah. And you kind of do something. It is true because you sit there and go. The commander's first drive, they go for it twice on fourth down. I just said this. And the third time they ended up kicking the field goal, you should have gone for it.

I think that was like third and eight. No. Or fourth and eight? No, it was still short. But that's where the math comes into where that field goal, you have a higher percentage of making that than you would, kicking like a 51 year. Here we go with numbers again, man. But yeah, I would have been fine with that. Don't be okay with that.

Don't be scared. Don't be scared. Yeah. What's your favorite number? 77. 51. Okay. It's pretty good.

It's pretty good. Simple. Yeah. Good answers. But I mean, the Eagles go. The Eagles go forward on, like the middle of field, area 51. No. You think I have a brain to think like that?

That's not that hard to think that out. Exactly. The Eagles and Chiefs are two of the- Just brought it out of nowhere too. Yeah. Eagles and Chiefs are two of the most aggressive teams. The Eagles specifically. They're very aggressive.

You look, I'm with you. Here's some deep math. Sounds like you want to put a lot of these coaches. No, I don't want to put it. I like the three, taking the three overgoing for it. Give them your fun hypothetical. He knows. He knows the hypothetical.

Crystal ball hypothetical. A lot of these coaches. And you go for it in that hypothetical. Have to go for it. I know. I'm looking for a D&D to where the math comes in and you're like, all right, we're going to punt the ball.

Ultimately, I want to see Mahomes down for inside the 10, a minute 20 left, two timeouts. I just, I want to see that. Only quarterback to go 7 and 0. But I think the Eagles should go for like,

Eagles should any chance they get. Fourth and five, their own 45. Yeah, but I know it's stupid. Like if you, if Eagles are, let's say, up seven.

They go up seven with a touchdown. Like, I'm not a fan of this, but when it comes to Patrick Mahomes, I would be. Go for two to make a two possession game. Because, like, if you keep it a one possession game with Patrick Mahomes, he's going to kill you. He's going to kill you. And I normally would say go, go, we kick that extra point. I don't like that. Go up eight so that they have to score and they get a two-point conversion.

But with Patrick Mahomes specifically, if you have a chance to go up two scores, you have to do it. If he's got the ball in his hands, the last, the last position of the game of his hands and it's a one-score game. It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over. But think about this now. a lot of these coaches are going forward on fourth and short,

they're calling plays on second down, correct, third down, knowing they don't have to get 10 yards. That's what Sam Campbell does. So it opens up the playbook. Yes, right.

Yeah. Yeah, now you'll have to get certain, like instead of getting four yards per carry. Right. When it's, when it's, when it's,

when it's still feel like you're in control. When it's third and eight, you don't say we have to throw it to the sticks. Right. You have to just throw it set. You got to get seven yards. Yeah, yeah.

I like it. Yeah. I don't hate it at all. I think we convert. So hunting is going to die soon. You said the commander's in the lines. Hunting is going to go away. I still disagree with not going for it versus taking the three.

What do you mean? Obviously taking the three is not a guarantee. Play to win the game. In what situation? You played to win the game. Basically Detroit last year. He was mad. But it worked.

No, it didn't. It worked. They didn't execute. He dropped the play. He was wide open. You also. You also, take the three. You also, you also.

You also, you also just assume. every field goal is made. Yeah. You don't use the numbers when it comes to the field. Like, I remember the Lions kicker last year. It was like outdoors over 45 yards. He was like 50%.

You don't use those numbers. Well, that's because you're just like, oh, you think every kicker is Brandon Aubrey. You do. You're like, oh, it's 60 yards. He's got it. That's fair. I think another big part of it with the commanders

was we didn't really trust our defense. So it's like, that's also a lion's thing. You got to score points. Their defense was fucked up at the end of the season. It's like, we can't, we can't expose them. It had been so great to see Ayn Hutchinson come back for that Super Bowl. What a story that would be.

Yeah. We'll bring up this, uh, this, uh, twist question. It's right there. How cool. Sherms got it for you. If it was Bill's command. Sherms is the last time Sherm's ever going to pull up anything for this podcast. Yeah, you want to.

You guys, by the way, you guys can all write down numbers to. We'll tell you all as a package. Okay. All right. Done. If it's above Sherm. Done. If it's above.

It's whatever it is. By a dollar, no deal. Sherm's top of on. Oh, I like that. This twisted question. Right down your number. Right down your number right now. If it's $1 over Sherm.

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That was great. That was great. And no way, Will, I'm going to defend you. There's a lot of people that are like, well, Will Compton, dumb jock, dumb jock. Will was never good enough to be a jock. Okay. so just chill the fuck out you trolls back off

back off oh my god it hurt if there was a podcast even Barstil sports that you somewhat enjoyed working with what would be your advice for them in the future as they pursue a new opportunity this is very clearly about

Brandon Walker I see you prepares to leave I would first say you're making a terrible mistake no I'm just kidding What would be your... I would wish them good luck. Yeah. And I would say

maybe start your own meme coin. Really bring the community together. Smart. Yeah. I feel like that's a good... I think about your team and he's always one step ahead. Yeah. Real advice, I would say the outside world gets very noisy

and you just have to, like you guys know with the locker room, it's as long as the people inside the room are, feel good about what they're doing, making each other laugh, everything else is just noise. It really is. Like it's, as long as we make each other laugh and Max and Hank and memes and all, we all make each other laugh,

whatever people, people are going to nitpick every little thing you do in this profession. And it's just noise. Yeah. That's it. Don't try to chase anything. Yeah. Focus.

Big cat's right. Focus on like what's in the room. And you can't listen. When you listen to noise, you then change how you act. You don't mean? like there is such a thing as too much feedback where it's like if one person says, oh,

I didn't like this or I didn't like that. Then you change it. Like there's there's there are people I can guarantee you. I, I've shut off most of the outside noise, but there I can guarantee you there are AWLs who don't like our fastest people. Oh yeah. And imagine if we listen to them and not listen to the,

the silent majority of people who love it and who like they're, they're not saying anything because they love it. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's the vocal minority that you can't let them dictate how you do your content. It's also something that we forget all the time that there are a lot of people that listen to the podcast that don't tweet at us. Right. Don't have social media.

That don't comment on YouTube. That don't comment on Instagram. Yeah, the majority. So, like, you're not hearing feedback from them. You're hearing feedback from people that, like, are very active and part of that, which is great. Like, sometimes it's good feedback. But you can't, don't change what you're trying to do because, like, oh, there's five people that told us this. Right. I love, I mean, the, I love the people who interact with the show on Twitter,

Reddit or wherever they're, they're during the YouTube comments, but like, you have to remember that 99.999% of the people are listening are not on those things. And if you, if so, if you listen to just those things, you're just going to cater to the point 0.01% and then it's going to change everything you do. So don't listen to the noise. Great advice. For our podcast. Don't listen to the noise. Just be yours, be, be yourself, boys. You could also do like a caller daddy and just pivot to talking about. trauma. Yeah.

And, like getting real deep with it. Also, I'd love to hear that. I would say for you guys specifically, like, just wait for us to do stuff and then just rip it off. Oh, we'll be out there. I think we're going to three days a week. Yeah, yeah. What did he say really Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday?

That's what we were just talking about a couple days ago. I would love that if their pod came out on Sundays. That would be so good. I thought this was, I actually thought you guys sitting down with us was going to be just like, end of a five-year bit where you're like, yeah, we honestly, like, Dave hired us to to copy you guys and just see if you were cool with it. It's like we passed. We were pretty cool with it.

I know. Can we see what you guys do next? We can do it. It's going to be awesome, man. We love you guys. We'll never shake that. We'll never shake that. By the loud minority.

No. Loud minority. Yeah. But you guys. Take it real serious. Loud minority. You guys don't mean shit. You don't like minorities?

Is that what you're saying? Yeah. He put some stink on it. Damn, Will. When he was like, you were emphasizing. the wrong word there. You loud minority. Minorities.

You shut the fuck up, you loud minority. Whoa. The, the, uh, I told both of you this separately, but like you guys are going to kill it. And I'm, I'm proud of you guys, one, because this is a really hard business

to be in. And I'm happy for you guys because it's a dream. Like, you get to keep doing your dream and you get paid 140 million. Which is insane. I do appreciate that. And that conversation solo. conversation. Yeah, it was awesome. Yeah. I'm FFT. I'm happy for you guys. Can we get a dollar?

Yeah. I hope, uh, I hope that you guys are successful because I think that means if people come to Barstool, they get big. They go somewhere else on their success. That means that more people who are talented on the come up are going to want to work for Barstool to have that same opportunity. So I'm a big rising tide lifts also. Also, one piece of advice, if one of you could like accidentally go live on Instagram while you're boning somebody. That would be, that would be awesome. That would be awesome. The FD is right though, the rising tide thing. When you realize that like this world is too tough anyway and like the pie is big enough.

Like everyone would get a slice of the pie. Not everything's got to be a competition. Not everyone's going to be like, oh, they did that. Fuck them. You'll kill yourself doing that. Yeah, I never want to become an old bitter guy in the business. Right. That hates it when people are successful.

Right. Right. We love you guys. We love you too. We appreciate you. Yes. How long has this pod been? This has been a good little pod.

Godspeed. 140. Love it. 140 million. Sherm, I'm thinking corner office. You like that? Okay.

Okay. You guys will talk ball. Would you guys be mad about to just walk out of the room? I'd be upset. I'd be upset. I'd be sad. You should not have told us that.

If you paid Sherm a lot, it's like yeah. It's kind of like you can't be a hypocrite if you said he can't take it. It's a great opportunity. Oh, man. I'm going to have to see those checks. I might.

If you're going to leave, you go to PMT, you have to send me your, your stucer. in every single month. Your bank statement. I might just give him a no-show job. You didn't have to move.

Spite hire. He's just playing PubG all day, chasing chicken. We're paying. We're in the same group chat. Just be like, hey, we're going on. Yeah. All right, boys, appreciate you. Appreciate you.

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