Bussin' With The Boys - Patrick Willis: 49ers Legend & NFL HOF Linebacker + Team USA Dominates Winter Olympics | Bussin'

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Recorded: February 23rd 2026 | On this episode of Bussin’ With The Boys, Will Compton and Taylor Lewan sit down with former All-Pro defensive lineman Patrick Willis for a full deep dive into one of the most respected careers in NFL history. Patrick is joined by his former teammate and one of the boys, Delanie Walker, as well. Delanie and Patrick talk about their time as teammates on the 49ers and why the Niners locker room was different. The boys then get into Justin “Cowboy” Smith and share some stories about how much of a menace he was on and off the field in the best way possible. Patrick takes us back to his college football days, breaks down what lead him to Ole Miss and whether or not he saw any money while there with Coach O. He then shares the exact moment he believed he could make it to the NFL and what he would do to ensure him making it to the league. Patrick opens up about retiring early and the injuries behind the scenes that pushed him to calling it a career. Patrick also gets into advice he’d give to current players as he was scammed out of a lot of money. Finally, Delanie and Patrick get into when the lights went out in the Super Bowl, and Delanie seems to think there was some NFL Illuminati behind it all. If you love NFL stories, 49ers dynasty talk, Ole Miss football, locker room legends, and real conversations about life after football, this one’s for you. Big hugs, tiny kisses. TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 2:12 USA Hockey Is King22:10 Taylor's Bet With The Nelk Boys27:32 Canada Was Cheating The Whole Time?42:34 Vacation Recap49:06 Bussin v The Predators?55:08 Ro Spicy Tier Talk59:54 PATRICK WILLIS INTERVIEW STARTS1:00:08 Patrick’s Laundry List Of Accolades1:01:36 Patrick's Biggest Worry As A Player1:05:06 Delanie And Patrick Go Way Back1:12:34 49ers Locker Room Is One Of The Best1:18:42 Justin Smith Was A Psycho1:30:42 Contracts Now vs Back Then1:33:54 Did Patrick Get Any Money In College?1:38:45 Journey To Ole Miss1:45:10 When Did He Think He Could Make It?2:01:02 The 49ers Rosters Were Dialed2:18:00 What Lead To Him Retiring Early?2:33:46 What Advice Would He Give To Current Players 2:36:43 Patrick Got Scammed After Retiring2:53:11 What Happened With The Lights In The Super Bowl?3:02:41 Bud Light QuestionSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Especially McKinnon. Especially McKinnon, his overweight ass. McKinnon. Dude, I'm telling you. So I spent my week last week in Canada, in British Columbia, in foreign soil, behind enemy lines, which, by the way, is a great movie.

Owen Wilson, shout at him. And the whole week, they're like, the chirps are starting out. We put a couple bets out with some guys that are also from Canada, but my wife's family. Everybody, everybody's just saying, hey, listen, this has been fun.

for you guys. It's gonna be the same thing as the Four Nations tournament. We're gonna dominate. We got McKinnon, we got McDavid, we got all these guys. We are so much better than you all the place. And then we start winning. We get to the gold like your path to the gold was so easy. We're gonna body bag you guys.

And I told them all week, hey, you guys are gonna lose. It's okay. It's time for your time as the hockey powerhouse is over. It's done. McKinnon, guys overrated. McDavid, guy is overrated. I'm just letting you know. I watched the film

You guys seen me on skates Sherm's got it up right now That's natural That's natural for me on those skates I understand the game I can tell that these guys are a little overrated What happens? Connor McDavid in that game

Breakaway Has separation We can't even get the puck off It's like the guy Can't even get the puck off on a stick McKinnett pass over the middle A goal literally bigger than this bus

Wide open And then I call I call Quinn after my brother-in-law, my sweet, sweet, tiny little brother-in-law, Quinn Galler, I call him, and he won't answer. Three hours later, call him in, no answer. Oh, he's ghost and he's running. Finally, get him on the phone, got my fake teeth right there at the screen, smiling.

I go, he's like, dude, whatever, folk, you know, whatever, dude. We should have beat your ass. Should have been 5-1. Team sport, man. And what are you mad about? He was, what do you mean? We lost. I was like, yeah, but you knew.

So, Derek, he's complaining because we just had a great goalie? Yeah. I don't think Kenna truly Sue us be at we have the best goalie the best player in the game Yeah and also he plays He's he's he sees he plays for a Canadian team The Winnipeg Jets

And which is even better And it's just like Quinn What are you mad about? It's like someone saying hey This is going to happen Someone telling you I told you last week America's gonna win I told you

McKinnon and McDavid are They're overrated They're gonna they're gonna They're gonna soil their pants when the time comes and sure enough sure enough they did you prophesize yeah they actually made fun of the hughes jack hughes quinn hughes they made fun of them last way you got that's who you guys have all right i was like oh austin matthews are like oh he sucks like that's where he's the captain of your toronto maple leafs original 16 scott he's from scottesdale along with the kachuk brothers

had to hear all about how the kuch brothers are dirty and they don't play the game the right way so you know you guys don't like standing on business guys are don't like standing on business. So how do we feel? So I've talked enough. I love to just... Just keep ripping, dude. I wanted to get that out.

I just wanted to get that out. Because I've had to sit there for the last week and just hear all this nonsense. All this mainstream Canadian propaganda just shoved in my face over and over again. Love the country. Love the people. But my God, you guys need to get better at hockey.

You guys need to get better. It's been fun seeing the rage that the Canadians have because we've obviously, like America, like we're doing, it's victory lap Tuesday. It's going to be victory lap for the next four years. Yeah. And just like, you know, how anybody feels like whether it's the Patriots winning or, you know, who else in like college football? Alabama.

Alabama, Georgia. Like when those arrogant fan bases do their victory laps, like they have all of America now to deal with. Because we are like, we're on like such a united front. Like team USA, the hockey team, both men's and women's brought our country together. Like as we're watching on Sunday morning when the men's take the Canadian. down. It's like our entire countries together. And now they have to deal with the Americans for the next four years. Four years. That's the shitty part.

And here in like, it's not even our best sport. It's like our fourth best sport. And just, they're just going to have to take it. Yeah. It's fun to watch. The part of me does feel bad because Canadians are such nice people. Great people. Great people. But to see them just to, to trigger them a little bit, to kind of touch their pain.

Right. Right. It's, I've enjoyed the entertainment. And America being like instigators, kind of just as a general populace, we are gonna that's gonna happen for the next four years and it does pain me that I know I have to go I'm going back to Canada on Thursday and I'm gonna have to yeah you know go through customs with a full red white and blue outfit on

and it's not I don't your bag I thought it's in your bag you open it up as just a folded American flag yeah like I don't want to but I have to I have to yeah and all these arrogant I gotta send a few of these to a few family members yeah all these arrogant fan bases you talk about like the Alabama's the Georgia's the Michigan's when they win

they kind of do their victory lap that's one year and then they then something you know next year usually somebody else is crowned what happens what happens in the if they beat us in the four nations next year yeah you can have the four nation this is it will we're talking about the olympics no i'm only in there like uh like hockey players saying they'd rather win a uh what is it called not the world series it Stanley Cup Stanley Cup more than they would the gold metal I'm sure there's some people with that guys that aren't on the gym yeah guys who go Guys who got silver. Guys that are on the squad.

And I know like we're giving a hard time to Canada. McDavid's a good player. McKinnan's a good player. But when they were handing them the silver medals and it shows their faces and then they hand them the little stuffed animal also. Just put it in their locker. Yeah, that's when yeah.

McKinnon is leaving a locker. He's like, what the fuck is this man? They go through with all the medals. And then they come back through and they're like, sorry, I have to do this. but here's this little dumb ass stuffed animal and in the handshake after the stuffed animal it's just like all right

yeah like this is where we are Hey great work today hand him the little fucking stuffed animal But dude Best feeling in the world I could I'm sitting there watching And then when we go into OT I hit the group chat Because again I don't watch hockey And I'm like do we have a shot

With the three on three And then Porter was like oh Canada's way better They got a way better starting three I was thinking the same thing Because that's what everybody was telling me He's like it's not even close. If you want a starting three, like Canada's got like the three of the best.

Yeah. I'm like, oh shit, that sucks. They have like top three of like the top five best forwards in the world. And probably of all time. Of all. Yeah, yeah.

Like McDavid. McKinnon leads in goals this year. Right. McKinnon, yeah, he leads and goals still overrated. McDavid, obviously he's like,

what the next Sydney Crosby. And I don't know if I'm throwing out the right thing here, but these guys are unbelievable. Unbelievable. Dude, our goalie is insane. Even to that first period, like when we were up,

when we're up 1-0 and they kind of were down around our net like Matt again this is this is a I'm a football player talking about trying to talk about hockey but they're sitting there peppering our goalie peppering our guy I'm thinking dude this could be a long I'm I can't believe that they're not scoring more on us because they were just it seemed like they were in attack the whole time especially in the third period too it seemed like Canada was just taking over but they just couldn't score on us yeah dude and oh boy has the has a shot right there on the open net that's McKinnon who leads the league and goals apparently Legitimately felt like when I'm sitting, you're sitting there playing NHL for the first time.

You're trying to figure out the controls. You get your first breakaway and you don't know what button to push. Oh, that was McDavid. Yeah. It's kind of like, fuck, dude. I was pushing X. I was pushing the whole time. Right, right.

This game sucks. Yes. Yes, exactly. Dude. It was nuts to watch. That second period, they outshot us, what, 19 shots to eight shots. And it got to a point the last 10 minutes of that second period where they'd be in our zone. So the balloon line, that third.

They're in our zone the whole time that we're just literally, dumping it so we can make a line change just to get fresh guys out there to once again take on the onslaught of Canada and so Sorry, we killed a five on three Yeah, the five on three was crazy score on the five on three

When they had the penalty on like That sucks and then they've been We get what high sticking? Hughes got the high sticking Jack Hughes Which is awesome that he's just In every part of this No no he was in the box for high sticking Who's a dude that lost teeth?

Same guy Yeah yeah okay Different high stick Different stick, different team. Different stick, different moments. He got a guy with a high stick, which put them in a five on three. So we're hitting this like triangle, triangle defense just like, hey, hope to God this works out. And the fact that they killed that power point, the flying Vs.

With as good as Canada is, how they have the best players in the world. They couldn't score on three guys. Five on three is like an automatic. Like, you have to score on a five on three. And hockey, everybody scores on five. Especially when you have the players that Canada has, even, I mean, even on regular, regular power play. You should, they should be. They were getting too cute.

They wouldn't shoot the puck. They were trying to find like the wide open net. Yeah. And they were getting too cute about it. You know, we talk about like red zone efficiency and stuff like that in NFL. America's power play efficiency, I believe was 100% in the Olympics. So every time we got a penalty and a guy was in the box, we're playing one man down. No one scored on us.

And that's why I loved about overtime too because what you want to see is best on best. Right? They have the best players in the world. Trim the fat, drop the other two players. Give me three on three our best versus their best. And what did we find out? We had the best. Connor McDavid, McKinnon, whoever else is out there.

Nobody. No, they're nobodies. They're nobodies. We had three on three. We saw it with our own eyes and we saw what happened. Hey, who's the cat from the Blackhawks? Is it Connor Bardard? Yeah.

I wonder what's going, is it Bedard? Yeah. I want to know what's going through his mind because I was when I was really trying to dive into the Olympics and the teams and everyone's something about Canada. and I kind of have a somewhat of a pulse on America and I hear that Connor Mard didn't make the team I started looking into it apparently he had like he's this prodigy kid right comes into 18

ultimate prodigy he's supposed to be the next great one the next Wayne Gretzky type of individual has an underwhelming first two years which is actually good but just because of the expectations the kid wasn't great this year he's been lighting it up am I correct in saying that? He's been lighting it up and he got snubbed for the Canada team this year

and this kid is apparently electric. The one. Yeah. To make if you're a Canadian, you're watching the show right now, you probably got to be thinking to yourself, would it have been different if the one was on the team? Well, they had, they had Celebrini. Hey, I guess we'll never know. I guess we'll never know. I guess we'll never know. Andy them bitching about, oh, Cindy Crosby didn't play. Oh, dude. I know. What is it? Yeah, what does that even mean? Cindy Crosby. I know because he like took us down and what? Oh, bro. 2010 O T's a undefeated.

with Canada. When he plays, they're like 29 and 0 or something like that with the I know he's a monster, but why? I don't I don't understand the bitching like, oh, we didn't have Sidney Crosby. It's like, well, he's getting old. Yeah. Like people, oh, you have the best goal. It's like, I don't understand some of those complaints. Those are, oh, you're playing, um, that's a loser's argument. It's like, oh, you beat us because you had the better quarterback. Yeah. Or you had LeBron James on your three on three team back when LeBron was in his prime. Yeah. No, you, what you're saying is just, you're just pointing out loser mentality arguments. That's like, hey, we beat you McKinnon sits there and he's like,

you tell me who the best team on the ice was. It's like, well, the best team on the ice is the one that scored more points. Yeah, our fourth best sport in the United States. Yeah. Beat your number one sport in the country. And listen, we've already, I love Canada. I'm going back up to. I love it.

But you guys got to take this out. Three people. You got to take this L. It's tough because, yeah, we have the best goalie. It is. Maybe in the history of the world. It is funny seeing, I didn't know. Of goalies, period, sports, soccer, all of it.

We have the best goalie of all time. Connor, to your point about Canadians having to put up with us, they just need to delete Twitter. Yeah. Because they don't know how to handle it right now. They're falling for everything. Dude, it's so fun.

You're always saying they're hanging their flag at half mass, and it was the pride flag. I'm just like, yo, they're going to have to deal with it. They're going to have to deal with America for, oh, they're going to hate themselves. And if, let's just say, we go to a four nation tournament next year and they win. We're not planning a nation. Dude, it's not even a, it's not even going to hit us.

Oh, you don't have the Olympic gold. Oh, you guys, do you taking this little prize, this little all-star prize? Yeah, we kind of sat our best players. Yeah, they weren't even trying. Yeah, exactly. It's just, it's beautiful, dude. And my phone, between first and second period, blowing up, hey, we're going to get you all these things. After between the second and third, it was an onslaught of just wait, you guys are going to fall.

We're going to beat you 4-1. When that game ended, I tried calling all those people back, no one would. answer. You are sitting there watching like, damn, when are they going to get one of these? No, hey, for real. They were just on attack the whole time. People are talking about McAvoy's save, though. Hallibuck gets whatever pulled out of position. Our demon steps in and just takes one

in the chest and keeps it out. In the crease. He's like, yeah. Bro, there was a time Austin Matthews was in there. Just holding this chest out, ready to take one on the chin. Take a cold puck in the face for his country. That's the difference. This was truly like, as like a kid

growing up in America, you hear about like Lake Plac in 1980. I got to play a tournament there, like the history. And then like 2010, we're starting to knock on the door. Like USA hockey's coming, but like all the Canadian guys are like it's never happening. And like you start to see it slowly, slowly like these Americans are coming up. We win world juniors. We win worlds, but we're knocking on the door. And then for like 46 years, we are we are just holding on this 1980 victory. The Canadians. Oh, it's over. You guys are never coming back. We just got the movie, the miracle. Yeah, all you have is miracle.

It's not the 80s anymore. 2006 loaded American team. Jack fucking Hughes. Jack Hughes. 46 years to the date when we beat Russia. And when he gets on the mic with the reporter after the game and he goes, I love this country. We're a team like this is about the flag. I'm sitting there and I'm like, how do you not just have incredible pride of where you're from?

Yeah, just wearing the colors, bro. Waring the colors. Having, and those are those like the throwbacks for the 80s or was like, uh, it was the, it was the, they honored the 1960 squad. Buddy. When they had 1960 team. Those uniforms, those guys flying around. And I thought to myself like, what is the coolest, what, what is like would be the coolest thing

as an athlete and it's representing your country and something like the Olympics? And to beat them how they, that has got to be the coolest another. To beat them how they beat us in 2010 and OT. Who's the dude too? Who's like a third generation? Yeah. Brock Nelson, his uncle was on the 80 team and his grandfather was on the 60 team, the both teams that won the gold.

And he, yeah, he's on the series. Dude, how badass is that? Yeah, he gets him real, bro. Hey, he's got a son too. Oh, what Olympics will he be a part of? Will his boy be a part of? Probably like the 40s. The expectation on that kid is insane.

Yeah. It is. It's what a person makes diamonds. Losing your teeth. Yeah, yo, my grandpa and my uncle both won the Olympic gold. And now I have one. That is bad. Your teeth.

And then when they ask you about your teeth, you're like, I live in America. We have great dentists. And then you come home to Tate McCrae, a Canadian who's dating. Fella. Fella. Unreal. Fala. I got a tear talk on.

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talking about it was a Goudreau? Johnny Goudreau. Johnny Goudreau, who passed. away in a car accident, these two guys who are technically these kids' uncle, so Johnny Gujo has two kids, goes to the stands and grabs those kids with the jersey and brings it over so those kids can be a part of something that their dad would have been a part of. I mean, I'm borderline getting choked up just talking about it. The video, once they first touch the ice and they have the kids, and you see the whole team just start going nuts for the kids.

I mean, dude. The daughter's smiling like, oh, it's... I know, man. It's too pure. It's too pure. He was like a pioneer for USA hockey. He was like one of the... Was he really? Yeah, like he was on Boston College 18 years old, won the Heisman for hockey. He's like five foot seven, 130 pounds winning the Hobie Baker, the Heisman. He's like one of the pioneers that got USA hockey like back into the mix. He should have been on the team. He's been on worlds. He's been, he played world juniors. And so like Dylan Larkin and Kichuk like grabbing his daughters and his son and his daughter like... Yeah, that was amazing.

It's unreal. Larkin. The USA Hockey Brotherhood is you just can't beat it. Like, it is truly something. You can't beat the hockey camaraderie. No. Hockey culture is one of one, man. You got 25 guys on a team? Yeah.

And they all just ride together and roll down. Like, when I was at Michigan, we talked about a bunch. These hockey guys would just roll in packs. And they were always together. And they just would play poop dollar and always fucking do their thing. Getting weird. It was awesome. Having fun.

Laughing. But just having fun. Doing weird shit. Having fun. Yeah. The video of the, uh, oh boy, you posted it, but he's like, I'm getting fucked up tonight. Yeah, yeah. It's a trochak.

Getting fucked up tonight. Yeah, just looking at his wife. He basically be like, don't wait up for me. Like, this is going down. Or do, you know. Yeah. It would get weird. That Compton wedding night vibe.

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the sports book putting one in for the UFC and he's there they're putting something in And I was like, hey, Olympics are coming up. We should like do a fun bet like for content or whatever. And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm in, blah, blah, blah, blah. A couple months go by, I head him up a couple times. Really no response, kind of doing whatever. Then all of a sudden, I get a DM. He was nervous.

I get a DM from him and his boy who's always with him every time I see him. And he's like, whatever you want to do, it's in one of the videos that Matt did. It was actually give a round of applause for Matt. He did a lot of content for me this week, putting together the videos. Matt, and Matt was like, I would call him. It would answer in the first ring. And then he'd be like, hey, I'm going to eat dinner and I'll get done. One hour later, that's fucking done.

Yeah, hopping the twin bed after. The toes out wiggling. Yeah. So Kyle sends me a nice little selfie video. Be like, whatever you want to put on it. Action, money, we can do whatever. You can't even tie. Skates proved him wrong.

You can't skate proved him wrong. So he's like, whatever you want to do, we can go and do those things. So Matt and I were talking about it. He's our hockey guy. Like, we got to figure something out. Matt had a phenomenal idea of the loser, which was, in this instance.

So Kyle has to fly to Washington, D.C. in front of the White House and full U.S. hockey year has to wear a sign, Matt's words. I don't know puck. USA hockey is number one. Am I correct? Yeah. And within 90 days of yesterday,

so he has 89 days. And when you're watching this on Tuesday, 88 days, he has to come on bustling with the boys. Are we able to give him to put in parentheses below the, what is it, don't know puck? Canada doesn't know puck. I don't know puck. I don't know puck.

I don't know puck. Below in parentheses could we get and so is bustling with the boys. America is number one. So is bustling with us. Sure. I mean, I can, well,

we're saying he can say is no. We can make an add-on, yeah. What's he can you and say is no. I saw him trying to come after your winnings. Yeah. He was trying to come after those winnings. So he came after the winnings. He's like next,

next gambling session with Dana White. I have to donate to some sort of Canadian hockey league or whatever. And so I was like, all right. if USA wins, you have to donate $100,000 to Michigan's NIL fund. And he's like, let's just do the first two. Let's just keep it fine. Yeah, yeah, let's keep it fun.

Yeah, yeah, because I was kind of like, yeah, well, they don't want to do that. But if he wants to, yeah, I've listened to what, Tate McCray? Well, on a stream for 24 hours straight. And I took it out. He's like, what happened to Tate McCray? And I was just, I honestly was like, dude, 24 hour stream with two kids and one on the way, I just don't want to do that. Yeah.

Like if it came down to the worst of it, which it didn't, didn't, have to, this would have to, I'd have to get rid of this. So once that happened, he's like, let's just go back to the original bed. I'm like, all right, all good. Well, the best part of that video is he was like at the end of it, which I didn't see until last night I was editing was like, hey, like Jack Hughes sucks by the way. Like, Tate McCrae's like living in his head. And then Jack Hughes gets the golden goal. Like, dude, he called out, F off. Call that. You know Jack saw it. Oh, yeah. You know Jack saw that. He rolled over. I checked his profile last night. You know who he follows? Jack is Verda, yeah. None of us.

But it's all good. He probably saw it in his algorithm. He probably rolled over the bed and showed tape the video and was like, I'm going to score the game winner and did it. What was it, Quinn Hughes? Did you see that thing? With, uh... Quinn Hughes, like, went over to his room or texted Jack Hughes and was like, you

up and he's like, yeah, just dreaming about scoring the game winning goal or the gold, uh, gold medal goal. That's so nails. That's so nails. Buddy. That's all the fucking electric. They're just scheming. And I don't understand the hate, like when I'm up in the Great White North,

people are like the Chuck brothers, they're not even good. Like they put up the stats after like Matthew Kuchuk was plus seven. Yeah. And had like what, nine assists or something like that in the Olympics? Remember it's chirp to Connor McDavid? No, but tell me. Always what is it? Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

Because he's beaten Connor McDavid the past two Stanley Cups and then beat him in the gold medal. Oh my God, bro. Never the bride. Turp of the year. I'll tell you what. So this game, this game was incredible. The only thing that I wish was different was right. Right before the Olympics started, or this is when I heard it, you couldn't fight in the

Olympics. Oh yeah. There was no fighting allowed. And I, that pissed me off because I wanted a first puck drop. Like the Four Nations, right? Exactly. How many fights went off? Three fights in like six minutes.

Three flights in the first 18 seconds. Yeah. They booed the national anthem. They booed the that's crazy, bro. I kind of, I, for entertainment for WWE, I kind of mess with it. Oh. I kind of love it. Oh, them booing us.

National Anthem. You got to tread lightly on that. You got to tread lightly. You got to tread lightly. But watching the moment, the stage and everything else, like, I want war. Like Canada. I want hate. I want rage.

Right. Because America won this gold, because of the four nations, I want war. Where the NHL is right now, it's in the best spot. It's ever been in the history of the sport. And it's only because of the United States of America. I mean, that four nations game, like. that's a bar.

Hey, so again, not in the weeds with all the Canadian stuff. They cheated and curling? Oh, bro, yeah. Do you see that? Hang on remind me. So they cheated? Yeah. The rule is when you let go and it's in a forward momentum,

you can no longer touch, especially the stone. Can't touch the stone. Buddy touched the stone. That's an impression. Pushed it. Pushed it. He didn't just touch it. fucking get a thing.

Hey, just a tip just for a second. He gave it a tip moment. I hope she feels good about this tip. Look at that. Look at that. And then he starts cursing on national television? And the Swedish. Yeah.

Oh, you want to call me fucking out there, boy? Yeah. No, no, no, no. That was so crazy because the Swedish guys, apparently people were scheming like, hey, you guys got to make sure there's a camera. They've been doing this all year. And then sure enough, he tells me he goes, oh, yeah, we can watch the film back, bud, and you'll see what you did.

Bud. Bud, budded him. Hit him with a bud. A Swedish cat hit him with the bud. Ran the tape back. But what I'm trying to figure out is we have the tape. How were they allowed to compete? And then be able to hold the most faulty gold medal of all time.

Right. Because they knew what was coming in hockey. The guy to give a kid. It had to. And then I don't know if you saw the photoshopps of the guy with the pokees, hasn't poking McKinnon's puck out of the net when he missed the wide. I was going to say that meme is going to be generational. But to your point, though, like, yeah, I don't get that either.

If we got all the cameras and we got the footage and everything else, how are they getting, how are they getting wrapped with gold medal. Yeah. You know what I mean I don't know if there was a like any sort of discipline enforced but it definitely is like from what I could see and what chat GBT told me is like that's against the rules. But they don't do any like reviews. I was trying to watch curling for a little bit but it got a little boring. What I learned about curling is I'm sorry I was I was I was in the watching yo the figure skater what's her name? Alyssa Alyssa Elizabeth Lizzie chick bro. The one that goes let's fucking go yes dude yes.

She's badass. She was badass. Like the perfection of her performance. Like we're sitting there watching because Charles was super into it. Rue was into it. And I'm watching this shit go and it's like the confidence. It seemed like she was just fully immersed in enjoying her performance. Which I thought was like, I don't know.

I feel like you rarely witnessed something like that. Usually people are in there. Like there's a level of focus that I feel like everybody has. Even when they're winning and dominating. But she seemed to be having so much joy during that performance. It was like, I don't know, it was like, it was like romantic watching it. Yeah, like floating. Yeah.

Like, everything seemed effortless. You're basically explaining the last lap of F1 and I agree 100%. Yeah. Great movie. Great, great movie. I watched it six times. Yeah. It's so good.

Figure skating needs that edge though, that edge factor. I think it's going to bring a lot more guys like us like, damn, yeah. Like, let's just get this. Dude, Blades of Glory showed us at. Yeah. She said like some swag about her. Like, she's having fun. She's smiling.

She retired from. the Olympics from figure skating and then came back for the Olympics and then she wins two gold medals and afterwards they're like you're gonna retire again she's like probably she's literally just in it for the love of the game love of the game man you're like you're gonna go to college she's like i don't know what i'm gonna do just hanging out you know like the full back story on her no it's sick it's crazy she was adopted no so yeah not adopted her dad is chinese got you they grew up in China. He fled the country because he's like fighting for a democracy in China. So they kick him out. He's also a psycho dad and, you know, like extremely hard on her. All the things. Horrible, miserable

childhood. Like she's getting dropped off at ice practice and her coach her saying she's just showing up. Right when she gets dropped off, she's bawling crime because it's too much, too much pressure, all of the stuff. Then she gets really good at skating. China tries to pay the family millions of dollars to come back. Hey, compete under the Chinese flag. They say no. She competes in the Beijing Olympics, doesn't get a medal, decides to walk away. When she takes this break, she, like, hikes some of Mount Everest, enrols in, like, a couple classes at UCLA. And then she was skiing one time, and she kind of, I guess, got the rush again.

It was like, man, I think I want to go back to figure skating. But she showed up to her coach. She calls her coaches, and she has, like, all these different stipulations. Like, nobody tells me what to eat. Nobody tells me how often I practice. Nobody tells me what music I have to skate to. I get to do every single thing my way. And then her way got her the gold medal.

That gashes me up, bro. This was like 20 months to go too. Retiring from figure skating just to climb Mount Everest as an 18 year old. I mean, fuck you, Canada. Clean take. Clean take. Clean take. No, no, no.

Hey, hey. Chuck Gallagher's pissed right now. Oh. Sorry, Chuck. Rump fun. Rem fun. Can't forget the women seem too. Dude, and hey, the captain of the women's team, Michael Schofield, Michigan man, played football with him.

Oh, yeah. Right at the Michigan. Oh, it comes back to Michigan. I know. Yeah, you're talking about women's team. Yeah, the captain of the women's team is married to Michael Schofield, who I looked at Michigan. Nope, I said that. I said that.

I said that. I'll show you the tape later, bud. Okay. Go ahead. Oh, that's ass, boys! Taylor. Damn. It's going to be the, it's going to be the, that mean with it.

You definitely did not say that. Yeah, definitely did not. Shut up, Mitch. That is that, boys. Hang on, hang on. Do we need to test this captain? I think the captain is Hillary Knight. Well, she's a lesbian.

Oh, yeah. Dead on Michael Schofield. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah. Michigan, man. Damn it. It's all right.

Thought everything was going my way in 26. Nasty goal. Yeah, dangled them. Yeah, Keller. I forgot her first. name Morgan Morgan or Megan Keller? Megan Keller that's right now Megan Keller good call bobsled team was kind of a let down Bob oh hey that's okay I watch one where they're like 17th to start

you watch skeleton I was like I was fascinated watching the bobsled because as they have the running clock going they're always shown in the red or green you know what I mean like every little checkpoint they have on a back 0.06 seconds behind and you just get locked in on the times of everything and you're wondering like how do they they're like trying to explain to you how it gets better like how you get better in your race one of the events i got really confused about not confused very self-explanatory but running a mile and skis uphill god that one guy was a six minute mile pace yeah like buddy why don't you just take the skis off and

go try to run the mile world record time yeah why just run on flat land and not make it so hard was a cross-country skiing that i have no clue i think that was it was going viral and i was like i mean yeah how many people actually go out to do this event anyway. I think it's a newer, it was like a new event added this year. Do we win? No. No, this was like, this was a different cat, but he was. Yeah, dumb as hell.

The event that's similar to that where they have to stop or they have to stop and snipe some of those targets. Okay, that's badass. That's, I mess with that. To be able to like move six minute mile pace and then stop your heart rate just to hit the target that's this big. Yeah. Like four times and then you're just like, I'm out.

If you missed a target too, you have to do another lap around this track. So imagine your heart rate just spike and then you miss a target at 100 meters. You just kind of go right around to the track again. Jesus. Oh, shit. This was like a dad. It was probably the father of a skier that like wasn't that good. He wanted his kid to be an Olympian so bad.

And this was his punishment. And somebody saw it and was like, we're going to turn that into an event. Right. It sounds like torture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what he's number one in the world. He's been number one for the last five years. Like yeah, who else does this?

sport. You know what's crazy? Just the skiing like X game stuff they do. But it's gone they've gotten all so good. I have no idea what's good anymore. You see him do like

that might have a clean tape. Snowboard half pipe is crazy. It's crazy. It's like they're doing like back to back 900s, 800s, 8th and whatever. 2200s on the super pipe. And I'm like, I'm like, that's amazing. But like how are we grading this now?

So it seems like everyone just rips. There was a trick that had never been done before, Never landed. Like, it's been attempted, but it'd never been landed before. I think a U.S. guy did it and landed it. And, like, it's unprecedented that have never been done before. And one of the judges was, like, Norwegian, and there was a Norway guy who was already in first. That Norwegian judge scored the U.S. guy lower than the Norwegian guy.

So, like... Oh, Tom Fuller is taking place. A little bit, they're saying. Got a silver. Damn, that's crazy. But, dude. Watching them like spin and flip and then it's like, how do you even,

how do you even look at that and go nine? You know? Yeah. It's just nuts. How many more events are there? Dude, the men's figure rating. Yeah, I think closing ceremony was yesterday, right? Which great time to do it.

Yeah, what a way. We had the men's figure skater, the guy who was like the best in the world, but he just kind of fell apart at the end. Alia. Yeah, he did like the first seven back-to-back quad axles or whatever it was. Like, he's like the man.

He, like, fell apart and lost, but he, I'll tell you what he did do is lose with grace. Like, the way he handled that L was so American. And he helped the team figure skating. So romantic. We won gold for the team event, which is sick that he was a part of. Brook my heart, dude, the way that he just spilled out. Like, yeah, dude.

But he did lose with grace. There's something to be said. There's eyes conspiracy, too, that that end of the. rink had some faulty things going on you're lying oh are you being real that's what i heard i feel like damn what i heard so people tried to cheat america maybe which i could see i could see that are they all getting on the same ice rink yes but did it affect him the most yes both can be true both can be true both can be true the power's in the question how do we feel about russia not competing in the olympics i mean if canada can

and curling let them back in so what happened with russia what's the story i think it's the russia ukraine thing i i dope yeah when they're in a war they won't compete in olympics every day is award damn every day is an award jp you're correct to know the doping thing you get kicked out the war side of things it's the same thing in in tennis where they you know like they drop the flag of all the russian players but they're still out there competing yeah and it's kind of like The players are outspoken like, hey, we don't want this war to be going on. Like, we don't want people to be dying.

And I feel like if the doping thing is true or it is true, then you get suspended. But if it's only the war stuff, it's like, I think you got to let those people compete. Yeah. I think removing the flag is kind of dumb anyways because like they removed in 2018. Right. But it's like everybody knows where you're from. It's like the people of the Republican. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That feels like that's getting into weeds that we don't know a whole lot about. but it would just be awesome to see the Russians compete because... The team would have been stacked. They would have definitely got bronze.

Right? They would have definitely meddled. How would their hockey team have been? They would have been... They would have been nasty. They have... It's the Russians, the Canadians...

Burkishkin. Finland, too, dude. Like, Finland barely got away with losing... They lost a candidate in overtime. And everyone... Like even when I was up north, like there's a couple guys who are like, Finland can beat us.

Like, that's how good they are. Finland has won the world juniors. Isn't, um, the goalie for the Preds? Isn't he? Yeah, yeah, Saros. He's, he was the goalie. Hell of a game.

Hell of a game. It was like 35 shots to 13 in that game. Dude, he was getting pepper. Because that's exactly what we had, like the game that we watched, this gold medal game is kind of a similar game that we saw in Finland, Finland and Canada,

except for Soros just happened to let one through in overtime. Clean take. Clean take. It was that close. And someone, you know, I think Cody the exposed, he's like, hey, hopefully you make it when they beat Finland and we dusted some team I can't pronounce like six to two just killed Slovakia. Powered by Kevin's Natural Foods.

Powered by Kevin's natural food. You know they're healthy. Had to do. Had to do. Get your protein. Got to get it, dude. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I see what's highlighted right now. Let's say that. What? You know you can't say that. Oh,

I didn't know until I was saying it. I didn't know until I was saying it. That's fair. That's fair. Once I was saying it, that's a clean take. Sometimes you don't know what you're saying until you're saying it.

Okay. That's a clean tank. Just drop the volume when I say that part. Yeah. So we still get that. Oh, I can't. Yeah.

Gotta be better about that. Dude. What else are we missing? America's the best. I share a clean tank. Yeah. Share a clean tank. unrelated to the Olympics

I'd like to give this clean take to punch the monkey he finally got the hug that he deserved his entire life and he had to go through some of the hardest trials and tribulations to get that hug but to see Punch the monkey be embraced

by the other monkey community was truly heartwarming and I just want to I wish we knew the name of that monkey that gave Punch his hug man clean tank I don't even know about Punch the Monkey but clean tank the little monkey I was getting tossed around

and went and hugged the little stuffed animal? Oh, bro. He got a hug, but he got accepted into it. I'm almost happy I didn't see it. Yeah, you don't want to see it. No, but punched monkey. Like he keeps going. He keeps showing up.

Oh, he does. Yeah, like, he's a grinder. He's from the mud. Similar to that penguin that was doing his thing. I know about that penguin now. Yeah, he was kicked out of his family as a young kid and he uses a stuffed animal monkey as his partner. And he's in the zoo.

None of the monkeys wanting him around. They're pushing him around. But dude, like J.P. said, he grinded. He kept going. He's pushing the rock every day up the hill. So the story ends good for Punch the Monkey. Yeah. And I've also read that when Harambe was murdered almost 10 years ago,

that sent us into 10 years of despair. Punch the monkey surviving and getting this hug and winning with love has now given us 10 years of fortune. Wow. And I'm going to go and that came right after you. Yeah. Pleintang! Hey, what happened to the penguin?

He's still out there. He's out there? Is he? Is he still? Is he? Waddling around the guy who's speaking over the screen said certain death. That depends on how you heard it. Okay.

Maybe he had the old. Is this like the old, what color do you see? Maybe it was the old him that was dying. I mess with that day. J.P. came out of vacation. Flowing right now. Yeah, he is.

Dude, how was vacation? How was Canada? It was awesome, dude. I really, I really enjoyed it every time I go up there. It's awesome. We went to a place called Big White. It's like 45, it's like an hour away. And it's like a little ski resort

And the kids went to ski, what? Just big white, it's a ski mountain, ski mountain. Yeah, it could have been skiing. And dude, it's like, have you, everyone, you've seen the movie out cold, yeah? Nope. Gee, you've seen the movie out cold. How cold?

Out cold. Zach Alfanacuses puts his penis in a jacuzzi. It's a snowboarding movie. Sounds kind of weird. Guy comes in, tries to buy up the whole town. you guys have not seen out cold I've seen hot tub time machine with a hot tub okay watch the movie out cold

and when you watch the movie just know that I've never even heard of it you've never seen out cold no no does somebody get stuck on the ski lift huh somebody gets stuck on a ski yes with Will Ferrell no it ain't Will Ferrell

they will basically these snowboarders and these skiers or the snowboarders take down the skiers who takes down this like billionaire guy who's trying to buy up the whole place and monopolize the town into like a tourist town when Willie they're just trying to keep it all local

but there's anyway Sounds like Yellowstone Okay yeah Yellow this is okay Yellowstone Yeah so this this the big white place we were at It's like people ski into town Like you're on this mountain

And you ski into like Restaurants and the lodge And these bars And there's one called like It's like snowman Sam or something like that And apparently like the place just gets Super rowdy at night And people are just like falling all over the snow

and stuff like that. It was, it was awesome. And then watching these skiers kind of ripped by, I'm like, this shit. Did you go skiing? Hell no. Absolutely. Why don't you take no shot?

Yeah, a lesson. No, no, no, no. I found my new hobby and it's ice skating. I loved it when I went ice skating. But just being up there and seeing how like, dude, when I grew up, every winter, my friends would go to like Flagstaff or Durango, all these places.

I've said this. And they come back in like boots or slings or a cast. And that looks fucking terrible. And then being done with, football it's like I've already got enough bumps and bruises from the game of football why like add to this in my older age you could do like the small slopes I ain't trying to small slope I want to I see if the kiddos are getting ski lessons I love it yeah dude you just you send the kids off with an instructor I see in three hours then you hang out chilling have a little coffee yeah yeah I told you

should snow tube dude dude tube tubing yeah talking about tubing yeah we miss tubing we miss too you know why we played it we had a catan Mary Me, Quinn and Taylor, we played like four hours of Kata. You was moving around in the ice skates. But you see that though, right? You show us first time since eight years old. Since eight years old. And I remember we, I rented the skates.

The skates I got, Quinn's like, you better not post any videos. People are gonna kill you for those skates. I'm like, that's even better reason to post a video. My fault. I get to the edge. What? My fault for posting the video. No.

No, no, no. I'm about it. I get to the edge of like the snow where like the rubber is and you're about to walk onto the ice. And I'm legitimately terrified. Like I'm going to eat shit on this ice So I call Quinn over he like gives me the arm like a dad like a father and I grab his arm and hold on to him for a little bit and I started skating around I'm like this is so much fun It's like riding a bike. It's like riding a bike but not really

But not really Scored a goal dude yeah well like look at you skating around like that's since it's kind of like I went through Quinn's legs right there too people look at this boom That's between his legs like you picked that up very easy since not doing it's you see the crossover Look this pink that's nothing that's nothing he can't Yeah, the Canadian didn't have been doing that shot, but I did. I did make that shot. And then I don't know if this is in the video as well,

but I kind of hit the top bar. Well, bar down. Yeah, I hit the top bar on the mini goal. On the mini goal. And, like, Quinn was like, hey, that's actually kind of nice. Yeah. Why don't you come to play a little beer league with me?

Dude, I'm kind of into the idea of it. My mom's a skating teacher, too, so we can get the family out. Two days after I made this video, I went and bought my own. I have skates now. And I am legitimately down to learn how to play hockey. I think that would be hilarious if I take it out of the ring.

Seems like you know, bro. Look at that. Look at that. That's one handed. That's one handed. We're in the playoffs. We need you. You don't need you.

We have two guys out. When is the next league start? March. It's like year round. It's very soon. So this is just maybe we have, I need to, I need like a playoffs. I need like a six month buffer.

Next year or next one. Yeah, I mean, you can, we have a summer league. And you know what's so weird to me, and this is going to be a very dumb comment, but hobbies kind of ripped. I know that's ridiculous. They're really cool. But like there's more to life than just work and hang out with your kids.

I'm like, dude, clean take. My kids got skates, we're gonna rip. Hobbies are fun. Hobbies are fun. Hobbies are fun. I'm gonna skate now, dude. It's an escape at a 10.30 at night hockey game. Yeah, man.

It's an escape. 1030 night's a little too late for me. Do we have like a 7 p.m.er? Yeah, well, usually a prime time. We kind of got screwed last night with a 9 p.m. drop. But here's, here's my goal. Our refs suck too. I was like, this is a 9 p.m. crew.

Fuck them. Here's my goal. I would like to have a tryout for the predators one year from now. I like to try out for the predators. Just go and skate with the boys. At Bridgestone. At Bridgestone. That's what I would like to do.

They do tryouts every year? I would smoke Roman. He wouldn't stand a chance, right? He's old. We don't get a gold medal. I got a gold medal. Roman Yose, Philip Forsberg. Are you old?

Are you older than him? I think so. Yeah. No, no, definitely. How old is Romaniosi? He's like 32 or 34. But I've talked to one of the guys from the Predators before and he's like, if you ever get on skates, it'd be hilarious for us to go out there and do some content

with them. And now that I've gotten on skates, I'm like, we should actually try to make the team. He's 35. He's way older than me. You and Phil Forsberg out there? He's friends with George Kittle. friend of the show. Yeah.

Might be nice at being a goal. You'd be nice at being a goalie. Get you out there? Goalies are weird though. Just stretching on every time out, taking a sip of water. Yeah. Pull the thing up. Yeah.

Yeah. Honestly, a goalie's like warm up at the beginning of a game is one of the best things. It goes hard. And they're just... Get the legs back and forth. Yeah. Hitting that side to side. It's disgusting.

Dreads game soon? I would like, yes. I would legitimately like to try to sharpen these skills and just go out and just go out and play with them one day. Maybe there's like the preseason. I can go play a preseason game with them. Yeah, maybe. We'll find out.

Or are you challenging the natural predators to a game, bust in versus the predators. Game over. JP, you gotta wear a full suit. We'll be next to each other holding each other up. Hey, hey, you got the buck, get it.

Should we challenge the predators three on three? Do it right now. Three on three. Should we challenge? Don't even look back. We're, Bustin with the boys is officially challenging the Nashville Predators

in a three on three exhibition game for fun. Okay. We'll do it for charity. We'll do it for charity. We'll play goalie. I'll play whatever. I could be nice with the stick.

We don't know. I haven't really tapped in any potential. We gotta get out there, dude. Go to old school 4V4. We need one more body out there. Okay, we'll go 4V4. 4V4. Should we take one of there guys?

Yeah, 3B4. We're on a power play the whole game. We're on a power play goal. Yeah, we should have an extra price. 3V4. Yeah, 5.3. Yeah, they got to hit a triangle on us, dude. See, we can't get through. All right, 5B3, us first to better. Is it you mean, you mean Matt, and who's our fourth?

Dude, I played in high school. Did you really? I picked up hockey halfway through my junior year of high school just because hobbies. I was like, I want to see if I can do this. And in our first game, we played our rival and I missed basically a goal similar to Canada. Yeah, and everyone was rated dead fish on the ice. It's one of the biggest mistakes in my life, but I would like some redemption.

So I got a whole bad, I still got my whole gear set up. You know Jackson. Do you really? Yeah. You still got skates? Yeah. X60s, man.

Dude, we need, so the three of us, you need to be a part of the, we gotta go skate. Well, I'm in. Yeah, I'm in. Definitely the goalie, right? And boys get the reaction time. Yeah.

Yeah. And, hey, you guys, this is some bust and lore between me and Will. This is, this is bust and lore between me and Will. Will is, he's really good side to side. He's good, change the direction. Quick.

I'm good inside the box. Yeah. You get me from B gap to B gap, I'm nice. Nice. I can get my mom if she works at the rank. We'll just, we'll rent out a little sheet of ice for an hour and just practice. Hour, what, three times a week? Three times a week.

Three times a week. I'll get you guys in shape. Three times a week. Oh, we got to practice. Going, just going back. Yes, we got to skate. We got to skate. If we're going to play the pretz, what?

We got a skate. Let's do a quick exhibition game. Yeah, for charity. Gary, one fight per period, have to. Have to fight once per period. Yeah. Dibbs. Yeah, that's you.

I'm not a, I'm not really, Hey, I'm gonna get my ass knocked out. You know what they're gonna do, there's gonna go, ah, ha ha ha ha, and just fall back. Yeah, full pads, full pads. I might have to go full happy Gilmore, just take my skate off, try to get them.

Yeah, just ship a couple guys. I wonder, like, there's no way that five people that never played hockey, could beat one NHL player and one NHL goalie. Oh, we could for sure beat them. I don't think so, dude. Absolutely.

Forsberg. Forzberg. Forzzy. Yeah. Flying around us. Flying around. I'm going to trip the shit out of them, dude. All right, one thing I got wingspan.

I will take their legs out. We'll just get, you're like, you're like six feet tall. Yeah, just sit in front of the net and get tips. Six seven. Yeah, six feet. I didn't want to say six. but far than that. Like who they got, Phil Forsberg, never heard of them.

Like, Sarkase, he's all right. Stamcoast. Stamcoast. Stamcoast is old. He's on a heater, though. He's on a heater, though. He's on a heater. That's okay. 5V1 could be possible in theory.

Look at all of these photos. Hey, Sam, you're not scored on that goalie. Hey, Sam, yeah, you're right. Sure, look at all these photos and just look how handsome Romanios he is. He's a hot guy. He's a hot guy. And he's Finnish? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Roman, Roman's top five looking dudes out there. Fornsberg's a hot guy too. Let's calm it down. Let's calm it down. Scoot over there. Hey, let me put my eyes on Forzburg. It's like all the friends are just like hot guys.

Yeah. Yeah, the bucket doesn't do anything. Oh, dude, we got to get you need up. Full pads. Bus and hockey jerseysies. Joe for helmets, dude. Old school Russian helmets. No visor.

No, I'm going dark visor. Tinted visor. I have a chrome visor if you want it. I want tinted visor. Hey, also, did you find a USA hockey jersey? No. If there's anyone out there listening, they can get us USA hockey jerseys, please tap in.

Yeah, for one of my friends. Any of gold medals that we can use. We'll make bussen jerseys. Sweeters, whatever they're called. Get the cool lace in it. Yeah. Yeah. We'll all be number 69.

On a, on a new Shorzie season, too. That's one. I know. Is it the last one? Dude, that'd be fun to. So Shorzy, that crew they do like a a charity hockey game too we'll take them down after we'll take the preads down but right now we got to take the preads down yeah we have like a tournament

well we can't do a tournament because we won't last for me long is it mad take it easy isn't there um like a n hl all-star celebrity game though that like taylor you like if you worked up your skills beavers in it yeah beavers in it you could play in that you and j bison represent america i'll check the shit out of a beaver dude you could play in that He's small. I don't know, dude. He's quick. Beaver's clean on skates.

I bet he's nice. He's nice on skate. He's boys are Austin Matthews. We have to steal that relationship, too. Yeah, but Austin Matthews, you know where he grew up? Oh. Scottsdale. So, Scottsdale's kind of the mecca of hockey right now.

Let's get him on here. Yeah. Captain. Got to. Toronto Maple Leaf's Captain. Captain US. Not Maple is. All right, we got, we got Pete Willis coming up.

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With your wife. With your wife. Or partner. Or partner. Best household chores? I'm thinking dishes rip. Like the whole you cook, I clean type of thing. Like everyone's billy's a good one.

Everyone's bellies are full. You say, hey, go and sit. down, relax, digest a little bit. I'm going to pick up these plates. Yeah. Handle business. How about all the household chores? Mama, you go out of town. I've been rocking solo with the two kiddos since Saturday. Charles Flight got canceled because of the snowstorm out in New York. So I'm rocking with them. I'm going until she gets in tomorrow. But maybe just you do all the household chores and mama can leave town. You'll take care of the entire operation. So we got dishes and all of them. All of them. You got to feed them. That's right too.

You got to put them to bed. Yeah. I think number. Got to cook the foods or order the foods. Number one W household chore you can do for your wife is if they're out or doing whatever and they had already started their laundry and say it's already in the dryer and you have clothes folded before they're back. That's a good one. That is a very good one. This is how you know JP's going to be married forever.

That's just kids dialed off the top like that. My, uh, from the hip. Mine that I love to do back in Texas during the summer months is you put a long sleeve shirt on when it's hot. so that you are covered in sweat. Do a little bit of yard work. Lift the moor, tilt the mower a little bit when you go over some tall grass

so you just spray your legs with a bunch of that grass, dude. And time it out to when she's coming home, you're out there and you just do the hat off and you do one of those, dude, just. That's an American movie. That's an American move. 95% chance you're getting a fresh lemonade. You will need some roast sparks.

Just let me say that. Yeah. I like that. You will need some Rose Parks. Or when Mama's just out, maybe she's at dinner, she's just out of the house, she comes back to a decluttered house, pick up around the living room, clean up the kitchen, get everything nice spick and span. She walks in.

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I think Will gave Delaney a call 10 minutes before the show started? Yeah. 10 minutes before. Danes like, yeah, I'll be there. Ghost to San Francisco traffic. He has no idea where he was at. Shows up before P. Willis.

P. Willis is actually on time. And we rip, what, two hours? Yeah, it's a phenomenal episode. This is Patrick Willis. This is one of the greatest linebackers. ever step on the grass. Him talking about his upbringing. Yeah, what he didn't have?

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We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just control.

We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was...

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Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Are we rolling? Okay. Because we were just talking, yeah, Patrick, well, first off,

five-time all-pro. I mean, before we're talking about a Hall of Famer here, one of the goats, one of the goats. one of the goats, linebackers of all time. Bro, look at the awards and the accolades that this man.

Yeah, you have to scroll to see all the awards. Anybody who's a backer, a defensive player, or a football lover, you know who Patrick Willis is. But for the people who don't that might be tuning in,

NFL defensive rookie in the year at 07, five-time first team all-pro, second-team all-pro one, he got that in 0-8, seven-time pro bowler, two-time NFL solo tackles leader, two-time NFL combined tackles leader,

NFL 2010's all-decade team, Buckus Award winner in 09, all rookie team in 07, San Francisco 49 is Hall of Fame, Bucket's award winner in college, Jack Lambert Trophy in 06, SEC defensive player of the year in 06, Consensus All-American in 06, first team, All-American in 05,

two-time first team, all ACCC in 05 and 06. ACC or SEC? SEC. Hey, let's give it up for Patrick Ball. Patrick Williams. Hey, I appreciate it. I appreciate it. If your team's like, hey, you'll have

10 minutes with Patrick Will's like literally the intro for all your accolades is like seven of those 10 minutes when you get sad do you ever just get on your wikipedia page and just look at the achievements and accolades no I don't man I truthfully it's only moments like this for here where you know I really even pay any attention or just hear much about it or whatnot because I don't really go and look myself up or look at the look at this dash but moments like this listening to it I'm like wow that was some work put in yeah it's a work put in and any of those like like Were you a cat that ever had let doubt creep in? Or what was the thing that kind of was the biggest warrior for you when you were playing?

Was it like getting ready for the game? Was it the worry of like an imposter syndrome? Because it seems like there's no, there was no hesitation anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. I would say, man, the fear of failure, the fear of just not making it out, wanting more for yourself and so I feel like every every opportunity was a chance to

prove that I belong and that you know I could I could do it do that which I set my mind out to do. You talk about the fear of failure and fear of making it out. We will get into all that because your story is insane. Like when you were, you were in college in what, 2003 to 06? So I'm in high school. So I'm sitting here learning about Patrick Willis in college.

Like you were like a North Star for every linebacker of that generation. Before we get into it, like what's got you at the Super I see? You got Go Bowling on, NFL alumni. What kind of work are you doing out here? Yeah, so I'm excited to be an ambassador of Go Bowling. We are here with going down tomorrow at Lucky Strikes. It would be myself, Tom Rafman, Doug Peterson, Shana Alexander, Jason Seahorn, and we'll be partnered up with attendees in attendance.

and we'll just be competing, but it's all for a great cause. You know, all the proceeds will go back to the NFL Alumni Association and the former players, which, being former players, you know, that, like, man, we, we all, at some point in time or some more than others, you know, need those help in hand. So it's a great cause to be here. And also, man, Go Bowling is giving out a free game of bowling on behalf of Super Bowl 60. And so if you go to go bowling.com, sign up.

download the app and you can get you a free game of bowling. But yeah, just here doing this and man, just enjoying the week of Super Bowl. So all people got to do is go to go bowling.com. Go bowling. Download an app and you get a free game of bowling. Download the app, register. Yeah, register.

Yeah, all that's up. Yeah, all that stuff. Yeah. A couple buttons. You should have a couple of buttons. Go bowling. Ain't no financial exchange, but just put in your email. Yeah, yeah.

It's free. Right. It's free to sign up. Free to sign up Your suit in the back Who's the best dress guy back He'd hit me with it It's free

Don't even worry about it So anybody out there Something we might have to do too Is like we might just have to let the cat out the bag that Patrick Wilson is going to be on And so that way we can get the clip out there To let people know When he says tomorrow

They know it's actually tomorrow So they're not listening in a couple weeks Oh we forgot the free bowling That's good That's good That's good Definitely got to get that out there Okay

Oh, it goes to the end of the month. Free bowling goes through the end of the month. The end of February. Free bowling. All right, all right. You can sign up at the end of the month. We'll put this up. Hey, coming soon.

The goat, Patrick Willis, also free bowling if you want. I can't keep this secret in anyway. No. Like this is a Mount Rushmore type. Yeah. When we're going through the list, like Super Bowl, you're trying to get these big time guys, just Hall of Fame type cats.

And your name slid across. It was, I'm Wilson behind me, my shoulders. He's like pulling my shoulder. I was like, hey, P. Lewis, dude. We could get this guy. You think he'll come? Yes, dude.

I think so. Come up, get him. Make sure it happens. And then Delaney, you're staying down the road. Willie hits you up. He's like, hey, we're about to have Patrick Willis on. And he's like, send me the address. I'll be there in five minutes.

So this is, that's how Busman with the boys planning goes. Yes, we don't do that. I told Delaney 15 minutes ago. He's like, send me the location. Yeah. That's what you need guys like Delaney that are just ready to ride. Hey, you're talking about a ride and I was literally just thinking about, man, my, what, second year in the league.

I come into practice. You know, this is my, no, maybe I was my rookie year. It could have been my rookie year, but I come into practice, come into the facility. And then I'm still trying to get to, you know, know, know, everybody. It could have been a second year or offseason going to the second year. And, but, you know, you're not really, some of the guys have, you know, those bikes and motorcycles and stuff for a night. And I walk in and I know Delaney had a nice black one or whatnot. Man, I come in one day.

That's the president. Don't worry about that. I come in one day. He's wondering about go bowling. He's like, you tell me there's free bowling? I come in one day and this guy here, man, is walking like this red. I'm looking like, man. Where's all his skin at?

Oh, yeah. This man has done rode his bike. He made me think about it around this bike or a night. Microphone, microphone, microphone. This man's skin, all his skin was missing. And I'm like, yep, they're going to get rid of him or he's not going to be around because ain't no way he's going to be able to practice like that. Man, you believe that afternoon, this man was out there practicing.

And when I tell you guys, like, he didn't have no skin on his body, though, man. Like, all his forearms, knees and everything was going, but toes. So I remember that day. From a wreck? Oh, yeah. Motorcycles. This is like pre, this is, this is before you and me, CBA, what you guys could ride motorcycles.

Since he let the cat out of the back. Yeah, but we're kind of breezing over, like he, all of his skin was gone. He's out of the brain. I say, like I said, I got to let Patrick bring this up. Since he let the cat out of back, I told the 49 or something else. Oh, shut. It's okay. I don't play.

No. Oh. Oh, Chuck. Hey, you guys are retired. They can't find them anymore. PTSD for a second. Oh, shit. Oh, my God.

When you're fine? That was a real reaction. Two-passed. Oh, shit, my bad. Oh, man. Yeah, my fault. I told him, I was on a dirt bike and slid out in the neighborhood, but I was actually on the one-on-one and crashed on the freeway and slid about 60 yards.

And that's, it ripped all my skin off. Yeah, he's telling the truth. I came in looking white. arms everything they had to skin graft me they scrubbed me and screen graft me that day and I practiced because like you said I thought I was getting eyes cut yeah I'm like I'm getting cut if I don't practice I'm getting cut so they bought it they're like hey you were just outside oh yeah and you just slid out on your dirt bike but you're missing 40% of your skin I was bringing motorcycles to practice dirt bikes I was back then yeah that's old delaney

yeah that's old the lane I pulled up in a motorcycle to practice yeah That is crazy. What was Delaney like as a teammate? When you were a rookie, what year were you? Second year. Say, okay, so you were relatively young. So you're both young. I met Delaney, what, you're eight, nine?

Something like that. And this is like Delaney Walker goes to the Titans. He's like, he's a receiving threat now. He's not a core four guy anymore. So he had a different attitude about him, I'm assuming. Man, no, truthfully, believe it not, not just because he's here. But, man, Delaney's one of the best teammates like that I've had. I wouldn't, they asked me earlier the best ones I've had, but as I'm thinking about it now,

and I'm literally not saying it because of you're here. But one of the things I love most about him was just his work ethic every day. And then on top of that, man, he just embellished the roles that he had and was a difference maker. I haven't said many, I haven't said this to you, and I haven't said it to many, but a few that Delaney, the year that Delaney left or not, I knew. I said, man, the offense is not going to be the same no more. I say he was our X-fact. To me, scanning the offense.

And though we had a bunch of players that were, like, badasses, he was the corporate. He was the X-factor because he could do everything you see. And Kyle Ushik do now from being fullback to being the U to being the F, catching routes and all that. I was like, man, this guy here is really what makes our defense go around. Because everybody else, you can kind of key in. But so it's always that extra guy and he was one of those guys.

And, man, like I say, he just show up every day. and part of the Tony Montana squad. And yeah, he just, heck of a teammate. So when he left, I was happy for him that he was going to go do his thing and get his rightful shine. So yeah, get paid. The whole thing.

Yeah, yeah. Went to my home state from him. That means a lot, yeah. And then we got the play down. And he was covering. He was trapping you up, wasn't he? Nah. Well, I think, I don't know.

How many, you got one catch? Oh, you? Oh, you. Oh, you. Yeah. Same. He only had one catch on me. Me too.

Hey, one catch club. He may have only guarded me once. I do remember. You tag him pretty strong. Yeah, I talk him pretty strong. But I had to compete against him and Vernon. That's another thing, man. I had to compete against him and Vernon.

And both of you guys, what we see now with all the, I mean, there's nothing new in the NFL, just maybe that which has been forgotten. But, man, him and Vernon doing a one-on-ones, he catch for here. man were moving, Vernon with Ari who was like fast, but Delaney was fast, but Delaney had like shifting this to him whatnot and me having co-sine the way these toes were set up. Man, I used to dread.

I used to be like, God, dang it, man. These one-on-one, so I'm like, I can't wait do we get the team drill because at least I can now see pass and there's just different stuff that you can pick up on. But no, man, heck of an athlete and was a heck of a teammate. Definitely, yeah. That's what makes you feel, Dlan.

Makes me feel good. Say something nice about Pat. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You got to look at it like when you got Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman to kill Spikes, and you're going against these guys every day. Like, and they're already at the top of their game. Like Patrick, rookie of the year.

What, no, did you get rookie? Yeah, defense rookie at a year. Defense rookie at a year. I mean, like, so you seeing these guys come in, it's like, we got to compete with them every day. When they call that tight ends and lineback, it's like, damn, put your mouth for you saying. Because they head hunters, you know.

Spikes at that neck too. My God. We're blocking drills first. They come down here. Then we're like, okay, they're going to win that one. We're going to win this pass. Yeah, yeah. We usually like one-on-ones like office the line would do?

What? Is that not the most bullshit drill of all time? We hate it, bro. Would you guys start from depth or are you starting the line of scrimmage? We would, it would depends. It depends. We run in three-four, so outside linebacker, they would start at the line, but then me being off the ball, you know, I have to catch them.

I play off the ball most of the ball. Yeah, and it's the most unfair thing ever. They do that with the running backs, too. I would watch it from a distance while we're doing one-on-ones. Like, I hate it doing one-on-ones, but I look over, be like, these poor running backs, dude. We get demolished. Just like 10 yards away, and the guys are sprinting.

He's like, it's not even fair tale. They put the bag right behind you. He's not about to juke you. I'm about to just, he run right through. That's what the coach just tell you to do, though. They say, hey, try to work moves. Don't just run through them. They say that, but y'all don't.

Y'all just come downhill. That first one always, boom. You got to let you know That's how you shock them Because then they're going to be setting light Or they're going to set heavy And that's when you can put the moves on there Dude

One thing One thing I'm realizing is like the 49ers now Like with Kittal, CMC, Warner, Trent Seems like their locker room Like you'll look at from a distance Like that locker room right there Seems like one of the best locker rooms Just hearing the way you guys talk

It seems like one of the best locker rooms Ever in that situation Do you think it has anything to do with the the 5G satellite thing right next to you guys floating? Do you think there's... I knew he was going to that. Do you think there's something like it gets your brain or something like, hey, we got to be bros?

Like, is it a bro satellite is what I'm asking. Oh, I like that. Yeah, it's a bro satellite. Soft tissues, come with it, but also we're all bros. I love the team that we had. I mean, I was, when I came in in 2007, yeah, we didn't have the, we didn't have the best of squads, but man, the teammates, but then that 2011,

12 and 13, even 14, 14 was like a, that was a crazy year for me. But 2011 to 2014, man, these were the best teammates to have from offense, defense, to special teams, and to just see how each and every day, like, we would show up for one another. Like, it reminds me of, you know, the last two years I've been able to be in the 49ers locker room from an ambassador and also football operations. And I'll say, like, that, that squad that they have, they have that same. they have that same connection in their ways

and that's the kind of stuff when people are like, man, you could come back and play, look at you and I'm like, man, I don't have the same guys. It's something about the guy that you show up with every day

and you build with. And I had, we had, I played, what, seven years with Delaney. So I played most of my career with these guys. And so to come back

and not have the same guys, I feel like you had to start all way back over. And then now it's a different, differently. Now you say something where they're looking at you like, I'm not going to hard.

I'm not going to do that. And that would just mess me all the way. up, you know, because the guys we had, we're going to show up each and every day. And I, honestly, I'm thinking about it now, Delaney. He was a heck of an athlete, but I was thinking, I didn't realize you was drafted where you were drafted. And now I'm thinking, I'm like, is that why he was every day, man?

He was just, I mean, he showed up every single day as if it was like his life was depending on it or something. But you would have never known that because I would have, I felt like he should have been being paid, like, you know, like the top dog because the way he was showing up or whatnot. But I said, I had to say, yeah, I loved. Those teammates said I had to have went to battle with each and every Sunday. I would say, and, you know, he'd probably speak on this too.

We used to have parties. Dude, there we go. Now we're getting into the flight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. Alden Smith parties? No. He never went.

He never went. Yeah, I had, so what I would do is I would have mine. have mine at got them so we would have uh what july what i'm sorry right before um camp i'll always have something at for two or three years i would have something in my house nice house and they would come out and whatnot and it was a great time man because we had a chance to just bond um man people food yeah come all over we had the taco trucks and it was a special time and then then when we was like started winning and we what in january when we had that we ended up getting to buy a couple of times and my birthday was the 25th and so we would have like that whatever little window was

in there we could have another little gathering in so yeah we just know we had some good times we all did and I mean everybody from cowboy Justin Smith I mean everyone on the team Joe Staley we all in the area just vibing eating food having good time and I think that's what made it so good like after games it was just like what we're doing we all knew we was going to be together It was just like a close group, man. If you're trying to find a party, you're hitting up Delaney. So Delaney, these parties were like that. And it was the same way of the Titans, too.

Like top tier. If you ever wanted to get into something on the weekend, it's like, hey, what's the leader doing? I mean, I learned it from being with the Niners. I mean, the parties we'd throw on was top. At his house would be crazy. At Ray McDonald's house would be like lit. We're good crazy of mine.

Yeah, it was good. We're good crazy of mine at that. At them other one they're talking about, that's the one of you fall back. You guys have fun. I would be there, but you come for a little bit, and you knew like, all right, and after hours or so,

I'm gonna get on the bat of here. Yeah. Some mess trying to be too much fun or whatnot, but it was awesome. Patrick used to have his alcohol at the top. He used to check that shit. He'd be drinking. He'd be like the dad

that puts it the sharpie on the bottle and go out of town for him and come back, it's the same, all right? It wasn't just any bottle of alcohol. It was a bottle that you. got for my birthday, a friend lady of mine, they got it for my birthday, and it was, it was the Louis, but it was like the big bottle.

Big bottle, yeah. It cost some money, so I was like, man, I'm gonna wait until we went a Super Bowl or something, and that's what I'm gonna drink it. Man, with two, after it was 2000, I don't know if it was that we went to the Super Bowl or when it was, but I just know I had to, had the party in my house.

I come in there and I see this rookie, the foolback, drank it. Yeah, have the bottle in his hand, and I see him, I see him drinking out of the bottle, and I see just a little bit left, And right away my chest dog started.

Oh. I was like, what the hell? And he just looked. And he's, that look, you just got right there. Yeah, yeah. I'm thinking to myself, my God, man. That's how he looked at me as I was looking at him. And then then all of a sudden I saw him look at Cowboy, uh, Justin.

And he was like, he told me he was okay. And cowboy, and nothing but some alcohol. You can get you another bottle. I'm like, no, that's not the point. Yeah. He's been adjusted too. So you're like, all right. Yeah.

So did you make Cowboy or this young cat get you a new bottle and make sure you had the mic just a little bit higher? No, I didn't. I did. Cowboy would have got him on. You let it slide. You sound like a really solid leader teammate type of guy. Delaney make everybody pay for it.

I swear to God, Cowboy would have brought him one. If he would have said anything Cowboy would have brought. Because when he said Joe Staley furniture on fire, he brought Joe Staley. Let's say a quick pin. What happened? Cowboy, aka Justin Smith. And also Joe Staley's furniture on fire. Delaney, I'm so happy you're on this podcast because you can tell Pat's like, all right, yeah, I'll do some media this week.

Go bowling. It's a great cause. Comes in, great guys, good teammates. I bring up the cell tower. You're like, we had a great squad. He said somebody's house on fire. So let's get back to that. So like I said, it depends on who house was hosting apart.

Usually it was the dudes with the most money, you know, Joe Staley, Patrick Willis. They got big houses. So Joe Staley throw a party. Justin just, he, Justin Smith literally just get to the team, like a week or two weeks. He gets to the team. And we had Joe Staley house. He got like a bonfire thing in the middle. And if y'all ever seen Justin Smith with a few natties, he's scary.

Yeah. He can be an aggressive type. He can be an aggressive. Well, you get a little uncomfortable. You got to either fight or wrestle. It's either or. Yeah, yeah. That's big guy mentality.

That's big guy mentality. He goes, like after, I'm going to just tell the story. So Joe Staley and him had had a little argument. He headbunts Joe Staley, breaks his nose. That's why his nose keeps bleeding on the town. Every time you see Joe with that. Yeah, he's got that little split right there. I wouldn't get that.

Headbunts him. Breaks his nose. I don't know what happened after that. Yeah, you do. No, I went in the house and then I came back out and Justin Smith was throwing his furniture in the fire. So, Justin Smith headbutts Joe Staley. At Joe Staley.

You know Joe Staley's having a bonfire. Justice Smith's brand new to the team. But also Dwayne goes, this is a good time for me to go get into the brand. I don't, because for some reason, Cowboy, like to pick on me, bro. Anything I have, he wants to mess with me, my chain, my air raid.

I'm like, dude, I'm going to shoot you, bro. I can't beat you up. I know that. I didn't see you whoop so many dudes that I was like, maybe we're having a problem and you whooped them. I'm like, Justin Smith kind of first guy

You hearing Delaney be a little scared of Oh, Justin Smith scared me sometimes It's also going into the way Like when I got to the Titans You see Delaney the way he talked to younger cats Like I'll know your name when you make the roster Yeah, Justin Smith Yeah, Justin Smith made that all happen

So they said like a sweet boy And Justin Smith ruined you No he's, yeah Justin Smith is the nicest dude until he drinks So after all this have he burns Joe Staley furniture I think he even push him through a fence How did it go?

No, how did he get to that? Did you ever do some reconnaissance? work we were like hey by the way how did they get to the point where they burnt his his furniture well he said so i come on i tell just i said damn man why you do joe like that he said because you walk up to the biggest person and you beat him up when you knew on the team prison rules that's what he told me he said so joe staley the biggest person on the team i beat him up now pat are you there are you at this party no i'm not at this party but speaking of what just so the first time i meet justin smith the first day we sign him um that night he's at sign he's at sign

He's at Sino. So I heard he's at Sino, and I'm standing down on Santana Road at the time. It's kind of like a rodeo draw. So there's buildings on top, like apartments and stuff. I walk down to meet him, you know, just, you know, trying to be the, you know, it's my second year. Second year. So I just want to go in and, you know, hey, man, what's happening? I'm Patrick.

You know, you know, I'm one of the team. Yeah, we're boys now. Man, I walk up to him to shake his hand. And he don't want to shake my hand. He just, he looks at me. You can tell you, I had a couple of them. He looks at me. He was going.

I said, hey, I'm Patrick. He kind of like he was like, oh. Hey, I'm sorry, I just like that. But that's how it was. And he did it and like, he did it twice. And then after the second time, I said to myself in my head, I was like, man, I'm going to have to tell him. He wanted to stop hitting me.

He made me one more time like that. We wanted to fight. And we just, we just getting to know each other. But come to find out, I asked him. I say, hey, man. Not that day was like later on. I say, hey, why would you slap me like that? He was like, oh, I had to see if he was tough or not.

I promise you, bro. Really? Yeah. Where is he from? That's what you're saying. Missouri. Russia? Like,

like the United States? Like the same? Like original? Yeah. Here Missouri dude. He was, he was one of those dudes. That's what they called the show. That's what they called the show me.

Yeah, he got to show me you're tough. He was one of those dudes. I ain't going to like. When I met him, I said, okay, he is football. And smoke cigarettes, drink beer, and can play in the game every day. He will smoke packs of cigarettes. So why did he end up burning Joe Staley's furniture? Yeah, that way you already accomplished out.

I think he just got to the pool. I think he just got to the pool. point where he broke Joe Staley nose and then he threw him through the fence or some joke you can you can tell us did he push you through the fence or did you fall through the fence something happened Joe fell through the fence and he and like I said Justin gets to the point where he's blacked out he don't I don't think he knows what he doing so then he just just he just start throwing his furniture in the fire and started on but then the next day he brought him all new furniture he had to deliver to his house yeah we try to call Joe Staley right now yeah ask him

hot-ass story. Ask him why he did that. Ask him why he did that. I hope he did that. You know, man, Justin has got his son now too. That's, man, that's a third brand. Yeah, he's tall. He's taller than, he's taller than Justin. Well, Justin is a monster, bro. Yeah, he taller than Justin. He's on the 11th grade. What? And like one of the high prospects, D.N. High prospects for a Popka. Wow. Yeah, in Florida. Like, he looks like a young. You know he's telling his boy, too. Like, you find the biggest some bitch on the team. Yeah. He used to,

he would always say, he would always say, too, we used to joke with him, because it's one of the things that amazes me today is, I don't have any kids of my own, but a lot of the guys when we was playing,

they had, like, little ones. Now they're not little, so more. Now a lot of them, like, man, they're taller than I am. And so I remember when Justin was young, I mean, when Justin's kids were being born, especially his first thing, we'd always be like,

Justin, you're going to raise your kids in California? He's like, I ain't raising my kids in no damn California. Like, it's too soft. I'm taking them back to the south. I'm talking them back to the Midwest. And he literally did that, man. He built a big old mansion in Missouri.

And when he retired, he took him back to Missouri. You guys keep up with him? I do, yeah. I just talked to him, what, last week it was? Some dudes just got that mentality. I remember, like, Trent Murphy and then our kicker, it was Dustin Hopkins. They were, like, playing in the locker room

or Dustin was kind of messing, playing with him, messing with them to where they were wrestling a little bit. And I was watching and Trent got this look at his eye where he started like choking and we're doing something and it kind of got a little, I was like, hey, what's going on? I just remember asking Trent like, hey, what was that all about? He's like, as serious as possible. He's like, it's a food chain in here.

I was like, bro. Hey, that's cold. That comment goes so hard. That goes so hard. I'm not even going to lie. And I'm thinking of my head. It's something I wish I was 10 years younger right now. Yeah.

And I don't think it doesn't. He's just the nicest dude. He's the kicker. just having some fun. I'm like, buddy, all right. All right, big dog. I'll be honest.

One of my boys, too. I made sure to keep him close. I'll be honest. If you play with Cowboy, he would have tried you. Yeah. You was the dude on the team, the big guy.

They would have tried. Bro, you would have broke your nose and shit. You would have dodged him. You would have. Hey, for real, though, his mindset of like the prison, you got to find the biggest guy,

fight him immediately. Like, I had that. I thought process at Michigan and then my first day at OTAs like Kevin Coogler he was getting all crazy so I was like I gotta fight this guy in practice today so people know like I'm for real

and I would I fought him but sounds like this dude would have beat my ass Carl Kluid was the fighter yeah Kevin Carl sorry yeah Kevin was a fighter Carl Carl Carl Iowa kid yeah a fight every day every day he would just try to fight a practice and they were like the first day he'd like gotten a fight

and no one really did anything about it and then he like shoved me after he's like you do that again something something I'm like next play dude and the next play like he was a three technique I went to cut him off and I grabbed his face mask

he brought him down he's doing it oh you did yeah and I wish to God the coach pulled me in the office he's like why would you do that I go

it's a food chain out here man I wish I could have the tree had me one time he made me delete a photo or a video off my phone because he was he was wrestling again like in uh it might have been with the houston base they were wrestling in

the uh the weight room and i caught him in like a little gay position so i was like glad you know me i'm just being me i'm like i recorded or i take a photo or something like that and trin like corners me he's like hey you got to delete that photo and i was like are you being serious right now because we're we're like we're boys we joke all the time meetings all this stuff he was just he had he must have been in a mood but he was like you're you're going to delete that photo and he's like standing over me he goes i was like bro i'm not going to Like, I'm just messing around. And he goes, he walks to the door.

He shuts the door. Because I've been like, we're in the training room. And I think I'm in one of the trainer's offices. And he shuts the door and locks it. And he's like, you got a minute to delete that photo. And I was like, hey, hey. I was like, you always talk about Trent being like your boy, boy. And he's my boy, bro.

I mean, he, like, he spoke at my wedding. Yeah, yeah. He, like, said a little prayer at the wedding. But yeah, he's my bro. But he, like, comes over. Likeing stuff. Yeah. And Trent, you know how big he is.

He's also the runt of his family. There's like six or, I was like six or seven. Big. Arizona kids, dude. And he's like the run. And he locked the door. He's like, you got a minute to delete that photo. And I like pulled out.

I was like, here you go, delete it. And I set the phone back on the desk and he's like, go to your deleted album. And I was like, hey, listen, man. I'm not trying to delete it. We were going to be on that. The fact that you guys made it out of that and you invited him to the wedding? Yeah, bro. We ended up talking, like, you know, apologizing to do each other, like having a, you know, having a vulnerable moment with each other.

Yeah. But I remember he had the fear of God. I mean, when he shut, he like slowly shut the door, locked in. He's like, you got 60 seconds to delete that pic, to delete that photo. I'm like, Jesus, fucking Christ. Yeah, he can be 10 sometimes. Z lineman. Some with them D. Lyman, the big white D. lineman, bro.

Yeah. I'm going to say, it ain't many. And it's not many of white Dilemon. Yeah. No. It's just. Psychos. They kind of have to have something wrong.

I mean, it's the white guys in general. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you play with, you said Michigan? You played in Michigan? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you play with the left tackle that was drafted to Miami in 2009? No, that's my hero. Jake Long?

Jake Long. Yeah, he was, I think he was in, we was in the same draft. Yeah, 2008 was, he was eight, you were seven? Yeah, I was seven. Gotcha. Yeah, he was the first overall in eight. And, dude, he's like the reason why I went to Michigan. Because I was in, I was in Arizona, and I transferred schools my senior year.

because this kid was like the number 60 end and they're like hey you should play offensive wine you kind of have that build where you can like really grow into it and my dad's like my dad's from the Midwest he's from Minnesota he's like hey there's this cat who's a left tackle at Michigan he wears number 77 he's gonna be the first overall pick next year like you should wear 77 that's a badass number I'm like yeah okay and literally just watching him dude he came in the league he was all pro his first year

four pro bowls in a row and then just injury after injury kind of just took him out but that's my go yeah well you just said that it just made me think about Man, I wonder what happened. We had the same agent and whatnot. It was a super cool guy. We hung out a couple of times in Vegas. Like his money was different.

His money, I heard some stories about him in Vegas. Like he would go to the table. I don't want to put him on blast. He would play and he would lose whatever. And he would like, whatever. And walk away. And just being at the tables in general,

we've all been there. Like, you lose a dollar. You're like, how the fuck do I get that dollar back? Man, that's how I remember. He was at a time where when you got drafted overall, they gave you 35 million. He got $64 million. Before you even start,

before you even touched the field, $64 million. I got offered by Utah State, going into my senior year, and I'm like, that was when I was like, oh, shit, I'm going to go to the league.

Like, my path is clear in my head. And then I see him sign that. I'm like, oh my God. In my brain, I'm the first overall, what's going to be then? And then like 2011, the new CPA,

it's like, first overall pick, it's 15. It's like, it's not 65, but okay, yeah. Yeah, and that, but now the money's,

You were drafted eight? 2007? Well, no, overall. Oh, no, 11? 11 overall was your same. Oh, that's good, man. Hey, he was pre-CBA, though. Yeah, he got, he got,

I, trust me, I understand the breakfast. What was your guarantees? Man, you look back on it now, I can see how, I see why them old heads used to say what they would say when they would come around and they'd be like, you youngsters, y'all making that kind of money. If I made that kind of money when I was playing, I didn't know, you young, see it,

but I'm like, all right, man, y'all just, you know, you respect them, Yeah. Yeah. Now, I'm saying the same thing, I'm like, man, when I signed, I think it was, my signing bonus was like $5, $6 million, and it was like $11, I think it was like $11 something overall, like, or maybe $12 million, like total contract. But man, I look back on life now and I'm like.

What the getting? Yeah, that, but then I just think about like how, yes, it was a lot of money, but I almost feel like it wasn't really any money when you started like. taxes and everything. breaking it all down from high level. And so you start realizing. Because the top backers now are getting what between like 15 and 20 on the inside? Yeah. Yeah. So when they was

they started talking a little bit, they was like man I think look at you man like you could come back and first of all I said I'm like man I ain't have the same teammates. My feet body my body has been long past that but at the same time I'm like boy if I could somehow get some get some important juice and somehow

like get myself like perfect I'm like man you tell you two of your deal like you're good man I was like shit yeah exactly but at the same time like nah it's crazy though because every every generation like you if you're able to get paid in the league everyone's like hey congratulations all this but then you get five years removed and it's like middle of the pack guys are making what used to be like holy shit money yeah it's just that's called inflation boys yeah I like that happened to me right after I signed my extension man I was the highest paid at the moment and then the nation

Next year, I think Sean Lee, the Cowboys, either Sean Lee, I think it was. Yeah, he ended up crushing the deal or whatnot the following year. And I'm like, well, that's how it goes. Got you enjoyed for that six-month year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right to March. That's why you never want to be the first one, though, to get a new deal. Right.

If you get it early in the cycle, that's when people start jumping. Like this past year with like Miles Garrett and Crosby and all these defensive ends. Like, everybody wants to be like the highest-paying non-quarterback in the league. and they get it three months later so we get 500,000 more than 500,000 more it's all this little game but like hey you were the top

for seven days like you were the top cat I mean obviously making a lot of money in the league is awesome but you were doing all right at Ole Miss weren't you? I thought we were having fun

Oh you know who his coach was too? Who? Coach O. No, coach O was? Yeah my last two years my junior C year. Can I before you lie to me we had coach oh and he had a quote it's like it's not we we used to just go in the back door

and now we get to go in the front door when he was talking about nil so it's out there he didn't bring your name up but i know that SEC no i well i didn't get that i didn't get nothing like in matter of fact i got suspended for 40 bucks and a meal after my uh yeah 40 bucks in a meal because somehow it got out or whatnot that I had a it was at a bowl game my freshman year Eli it was like the cotton bowl man we had a successful year it was fun

so I just thought like man just a little simple dinner and you know I get called into the office next in the spring and like and they tell me they heard that I took a meal and a little bit of money I'm like man it's about 80 bucks like and so when I say like man guys were getting paid like money I would just have my stifling and maybe air

Every blue moon, you might get a handshake of, you know, 200 bucks or something. But, man, I heard about what some other guys supposedly got? And I'm like, shit, man, what did y'all know that I didn't know? Like, how were y'all getting money? How are you getting money like that? Yeah, they're asking questions. I'll talk to SEC guys in the league and they'd be like, I remember I was talking to like a coach. And I was like, they were like, how much did you ever get?

And I was like, dude, the most I ever got was I got a sandwich in French. fries at the brown jug and I went to go pay the bill like it's all good I thought yeah I'm living right now but then the I see guys are like you just didn't ask the right people like you didn't you didn't make enough of a fuss about it because I just thought like we had denar robinson we had a bunch we had a good much like high caliber college football players but no one had like a nice car or nothing but you look at like LSU and these other schools guys like Camaros and these nice things and it's like is somebody gonna like tell me like am I going to get the Illuminati like how does this work Never saw it done, man.

They said at Old Miss, with the Junkins. I think it was Junckons at the time when he was at Ole Miss, but one of them was driving like a Bentley, like it was driving like a Bentley or something like a real nice vehicle whatnot on campus. And I was thinking to myself, I'm like, man, I remember the closest they got to, the closest I saw something like there was my rookie year,

it was some of the seniors. One of the guys' dad was a politician, and so he had this range over. But next thing you know, he went from his house. having 22s, they're having 24s. Another cat that was running back, he ended up went from 22 to 26es

and they had these really nice vehicles. And so right away everybody's kind of like, yeah, those are ones getting like taking care of. But no, I didn't get lucky like that. Really? Which part was a good thing because I think about it now and one of the things I, you know, one of the things I think about a lot is

how the young guys are getting all that money now and I'm thinking to myself I'm like unless they are absolutely just beyond me way smarter than I am I say boy boy boy if we can if we can get into the league and and get money then and we don't experience that the downfalls or the until after it's gone I can only imagine what these cats now that they're young making this at 18 getting this kind of money and then at 22 if you didn't do it Right. Man, it's going to be, it's going to be a show. You make a good point, too, because it's like the whole whether it was 30 for 30

or whatever it is, like 70 to 80% of guys go broke within five years of playing. And we're talking about grown men, adults, guys and families. It's like, yeah, you can put some of this money in the hands of even younger, younger cats, cats in college, like. Man, it's not even guys in college, because like these five, four-star recruits that are juniors in high school. Yeah, yeah. They're getting deals.

Yeah, they're getting deals. They have NIL. So they're making hundreds of thousands of dollars, allegedly. I don't know the exact number. Like at 16 years old. Which is just. You hope they got the right people in the corner. And like Delaney knew me early in my career at the Titans.

If I was getting paid money at Michigan, I would not be here today. Oh, definitely. Dude. I'm saying. How do these cats not just go nuts? Because I firmly believe I would have been one of those dudes. Yeah.

There's no question. Yeah, you're a different. You're definitely. Yeah, you're definitely a different person now. When I first met you, Yeah, it was fun. You can have money already. If you had money already coming in,

oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The parties would have been crazy. You grew up in Tennessee, yeah. Crazy, all right. When you started to, like, really come on

from a high school standpoint, what were, like, your top five of schools you were looking at that you're probably going to go to? Oh, shit. Man, you asked me a question that, I wouldn't even fortunate enough to even be, have that kind of options. Really?

You were, what, a two-star? Three-star? Three-star? Yeah, three-star. And I was recruited as an athlete, so not even as a linebacker. So it was almost like you couldn't really like, all right, is he a linebacker? Because I really, I had to learn how to play linebacker, like be a lineback. Yeah, you play the position, but I had to learn how to be a linebacker.

And it really, I still didn't learn much until after I got to the NFL with Coach Singh. But I said I was to say, growing up in Tennessee, man, UT Walls. So growing up, I was born in 85, early 90s, you always see like Tennessee balls, Ohio State, Nebraska. You know, they would always be on TV. And I used to just sit and I were watching. I'm like, man, I can just get to one of those schools. Like, I know I can get to the next level. And so just as I began to grow, I went from like in Ohio State.

Now I was dig, Andy Casimir, to now I'm like, man, we have a Tennessee balls right here. Like, if I can just play good enough ball, I can get up there. And here I am my junior year. And I went up there, I'm sorry, my senior year now. We had a guy, my junior year, we had a guy who was being recruited, running back. And so we went up there on unofficial visit. And I was like, that was all the time. I was like, man, I got to, this is cool.

If I can just get up here and get around this, you know, like I was just tagging alone. My senior year, I'm out there busting my tail. Like I'm running all over the field. I'm later on become the, the first person ever in history be nominated for both offense and defense Mr. Football and 1A

football in Tennessee. No way. Wow, that's great. I'm playing both sides of the ball. And so here I am now. So that happens later, but during the middle of the season, I take two unofficial visits up to UT in DeVos. And my dad used to always telling when I was younger,

he said, boy, close mouth don't get fed. He would just say that in general, like, so I'm up here. I know the coaches, my second time, I know all the coaches are talking to everybody else, but nobody's. coming over and saying anything to me. And I'm like, I just ran for three touchdown.

I just had 16 tackles, like interception. And I'm not even getting a, you know, conversation. So I asked the coach, Coach, Coach Barry at the time, I said, coach, why's nobody not, you know, speaking to me? He says, truthfully, we're recruiting two other linebackers. And those two other linebackers were damn good linebackers. And they played at five, they played five A ball. I only played one, I played one A ball.

And so five is the biggest you can play. And so they was recruiting Daniel Brooks and Ernie Sims. And Bernie Sims was a dog You know what I'm saying? But anyway, but I felt like being I was, where I come from, it's like you always had the underdog mentality with him. It was kind of like, you come from a small town

so he just look up on you. So in my mind, I'm thinking, listen, I don't care if they go to a five of a year and not, just put us in a room and let's see who walks, like, walks out. Yeah. My mind said. Prison rules.

It always comes back to. So he tells me, he tells me, he's telling me, so we're not really interested in you. and we also don't know if you're going to make your ACT scores. So three hours, four, over a five hour drive home, three of those hours I cried. I was like, man, I've been told I'm not wanted. Like, how could I do it?

How could I be bawling out like this? And they're not interested in my foster dad said, I said, why don't you wipe up those tears and go play at a school that plays against them? And at that moment, I was like, yeah, I said I can do that. But then the only thing was, and then right at the same moment, I was like, but wait, ain't nobody really recruiting me. nobody's recruit me that plays against them other than

conference other than um memphis tigers and mtsu because they would play them as pickup games i was like maybe i can go there and we play them as a pickup game when they pick us when they pick to play us as a pickup game i said maybe i can show them then that's what i was thinking but then i ultimately said you know i'm just going to control what i can control i'm going to go back i'm going to stay you know focusing school on the football field and then out of nowhere o'm miss pops up and coming from our comfort from anybody to just, I don't say anybody,

but just getting some love from a bigger school, people that show that they were interesting, that they was willing to stand behind you because I did. I done my school work, I went to school, but man, it was something about taking those big old tests, I had a hard time taking them in, so I had to take it five times.

And but within me taking those five times, I remember the scout from Ole Miss, coach Matt McIntyre. He said, you know, regardless of what happens with this, said we're gonna stand behind you even if you have to go to a juco we'd be there for you when you get out I didn't understand how recruiting and stuff I just felt like man they really about me and so I ended up getting my CT score and at the same time the SEC had just changed the gradient scale from an 18 to a 17 that that year and that's when I was like man it must be fate on my side but went to omiss and if I had to do it all over again I would go back to old miss man that's how much I really

enjoyed being an Ole Miss. I mean, it was absolutely amazing. And I knew the day that I was going to go to Old Miss was on my official visit, we walked across and they had this what they call Walker Champions. So something like they do at Tennessee and we walk across that Walker Champions.

And my gosh, it was so much beauty there. It felt like the campus didn't feel like it was humongous. Like UT, I walk across the campus. I'm like, I'm gonna be late. I'm like, how do you get from there? Way over there. And then I, so I go to, I go to Old and everything is like, boom, boom, boom.

And you guys have heard this saying when you know you know, I don't know if you guys ever had that in your moment, I mean, your life, but I've had a couple moments where when you know, you knew. And I remember I walked across that campus and I heard them say, we love you, Eli. We love you, Mike. And I was, man, as we walking across, I'm like, man,

this could be them saying this about me. And I remember, I said, man, I'm coming to school here. And like I said, If I had to do it all over again, I would go back to O.M. So I said all that to say, I only had, I didn't really have it. I had NAA schools, but no real big schools that were interesting. So maybe that was just more fuel for the fire. When did you know that Division I football, in a future of football, was a possibility?

Because you mentioned your foster dad, obviously. Like if anybody who caught your E-60 back in the day kind of understands the upbringing that you had, were you and how many siblings did you have? It was four of us. four of you guys and then you you leave your dad's place to go to your foster dad and live with that was your coach right like is it was that the transitional time to where you kind of knew this family was looking out

for you to get to get out because you spoke very early in the episode where you talked about the fear of failure the fear of like getting out was that kind of the transitional moment to where it's like hey I can be something more than where I'm at right now yeah I would say it was I was kind of had something inside that was like man I just I want more than this I think there's more I was had a magic, my imagination was just big. Like, growing up in the South, there's, you guys know being in Tennessee.

Like, it's just nothing but woods. I didn't, didn't have, I wasn't around the city or whatnot, so it was just a town and pretty much spent most of my time in the woods, playing, running, jumping ditches, and saying I'm Michael Irvin. I'm Emmett Smith. I grew up a diehard Cowboys fan, and so that was pretty much me, but it was always something inside that I felt like, man, like I want to, I want to be special. I don't know if it was just watching like Colombo or Matt Locke,

but they just seemed like they were special to me or just those figures that you would watch on TV, be like, man, that's a cool guy. Yeah, I can just be like that. You go to a movie as a kid. You come out and you're trying to be the main character for next three days. So I had told myself, I was like, man, I just want to be special. And not only that, I also wanted to be a genius.

I don't know if y'all remember that movie Powder. Yeah. The guy that was super smart or whatnot and got struck by lightning. Yeah. I thought so as a kid I just sounds like a something there's an age gap here in the yeah yeah yeah yeah if you check it if you check it out yeah yeah man well I could just tell me and well I do like yep so I said that um to say like so as I wanted to be special whether it was engineer whether it was just I didn't want to just be a guy that could play

football and then not have any not have any brains and so again given just wanted to be special and then also my situation growing up you know single single parent my parents split when they were when I was super young but growing up mostly with my dad my brother and then just having the feeling like maybe it was object what they call it um object um poverty or whatnot you know you're looking outside and you see other people have you know other things you don't have running water until you eight years old and I just like man maybe if we just had more money you know things would be better. And so I just remember being in the sixth grade,

this was the moment. I was in the sixth grade, six and eighth grade, I was in the sixth grade and I heard my teacher talking about retiring. And I was like, man, like you inside. You got the nice weather. My dad, them they outside.

They're working. They logging. I was like, man, what can I do to where I can cut down the time to where I can, you know, so what can I do in life that will be able to allow me to take care of my family and have a good life? when I grew up

and I just remember thinking, I was like, man, as much as I like coming to school, this school and stuff is hard, man. I don't know how they're doing this one. I don't know how they're this smart. I was like, so I started doing process elimination. I said, but man, this sports things.

I was like, I tend to be able to pick this up like pretty well and I can figure it out, you know, like. And so I was like, so I gave myself two options that day. I said, if I do it right, I can play. if I do it right, I can become this professional athlete and I can save my money and then by the time on 30 I'm able to retire and I still have life to live.

I was like, because I didn't understand how you be 60 or 70 and you retire then. I'm like, ain't you back to die? I'm like, you know. Hey, that's so real though. It's like you work forever and then all of a sudden it's like, what do I have next?

Like five years maybe? As a kid, you know, it just wasn't end up. You know, it took my recognition. I was like, man, someone just ain't right. So I was like, you know what? I'm going to give everything I have in this And if I fall short, I said, man, I know how to get a, I go get me a job.

I said, I will work it as hard as I can and to be the very best I could be as if I was a football player. And guess when I'm 60 and 70, I'll be able to retire and get me a John John boat and fish, Fisher Tennessee River. I'd say, but if I do it right, man, I'm gonna be able to get me a nice boat and then by 30. And so fast forward at 29,

I was able to retire, had more money than I could, you know, think of, I went and bought me a boat, I fish a little while, and then real life jumps on you. So all that is say, like, man, it was just, yeah, it was just moments in time where you just feel like you wanted to be something special and you wanted more and it was like, what do I need to do? What can I do to do that?

And the other, the one last thing was eighth grade year, my goddess counselor, she's, you know, you had to pick the curriculum, or you're gonna go university, dual, or, uh, or vocational. And I remember everybody raised their hand. It was only, so in my class, I graduated with 40 people, 42 people,

was in my senior year. My school was K through 12. And so I had a small... K through 12? K through 12? All one building. I was just like the way Pat lived his life, man, he was living like 1947.

Just like gas lanterns and stuff like that, walking around. It felt like that, like where you look around, like I said, everybody else would have like central heat, but we still, like I said, I didn't have running water until I was eight. So we still didn't have like, you know, running water at times. And so I'm in eighth grade, we're doing the,

doing having to pick the curriculums or whatnot. And I never forget, she asked, she asked all 40, it was, and it's only in the class of 40, it was only like five black kids in my grade. And I noticed when she asked about vocational, all of them raised their hand, all but me raised my hand, because I was wanting to look.

I'm gonna see like, all right, like who's gonna pick what? You know, what's the best one? Because I wouldn't privy to it. I always knew about being a hard worker and those things, but I didn't know these different paths you could take. I saw there to say something about dual. Then all of a sudden I saw university and I saw most of the white kids. All of them raised their hand.

And I was like, but wait a minute, I want to go to college too. Like I want to be able to go, you know, get an education and be smart. And so I asked the teacher and I said, excuse me, can you explain which one of these? can you explain each one of these to me again? And then she just asked me, she said, well, what do you want to be when you grow up? And I said, well, first, I had two answers. But she didn't give me a chance to say to a second one. I said, well, first, I want to be a professional athlete.

And I said, first, I want to be a professional athlete playing in the end. Before I can you get that out, she was like, well, you know, less than 1% makes it. And at that point, and at that time, I felt like she was kind of, I don't know, kind of, I don't know, squashing, I'm gonna say trying to squash. You got no shot. Yeah, but kind of trying to sound like, yeah. Yeah, but now that I'm older, I understand these statistics. I understand like how significant, like less than 1% like you got to be in to like, you know, achieve that.

And especially looking back now on like the path, but I said in front of the whole class. When she said that, she didn't give me a chance even say, well, second, you know, if that doesn't work, then I'll just be a firefighter or a police person and, you know, I'm going to give everything I have. And so anyways, when she says that, I say in front of the whole classroom, I said, because my dad, I had to say it right, because my dad, I grew up with a dad that you got to be respectful to all your elders or whatnot, no matter what, right, wrong, and different. Like, you don't talk bad, you don't be smart, smart mouth and all that kind of stuff. And I said, well, with all due respect, I guess I'll be in that less than 1%. I said it in front of all 40, all the little 40 we had, but I remember when I said that,

how convicted I was when I said it, but how I knew I had to stand on it. And so from that point on, I already went harder with anything we did when we was young because it was just what it was. But from that moment on, everything I did was to take me to where I said I was going to go. So that's why when it came to the ACT,

when they say, like, we don't want you. I was like, man, but you don't understand. I have this vision. I saw this vision when I was, younger and there was another moment but I won't bore y'all with those but yeah oh buddy bore us no no no it's literally everything you're saying when you hit the bar was all the respect i'm sitting there and feeling like i'm watching a goddamn movie yeah yeah i'm thinking where is the teacher how what's her reaction to that yeah that's all happening or just gets quiet yeah some of the kids probably

snicker in the back like making it like oh yeah sure buddy whatever there's always gonna be a doubter here and there but yeah that's the start of the movie how many people went to the NFL or from college to went to a university from your school high school that you know of before you or after you they went to a university or made it to the NFL or you the only person that made it to the NFL from your high school yeah only person but then then but I'd always hear before that I would always hear there was one other guy who one of other one or two guys who had went and they made like the practice squad but they were only there for like a moment and I just remember saying like man Like I'm gonna be that one like I'm gonna do it and a lot of had to and a lot of it I felt like too like you carrying the weight of so many others who

I wouldn't the most talented I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't the fastest I wouldn't the biggest like there was other guy that you saw then he'd be like yep he's going he look at me and but he you know he goes hard he tries hard but um you talking about in high school yeah and how we're just coming out of the draft yeah yeah yeah oh oh development hit yeah but you see you were in high school you and you're just coming out of the draft yeah yeah but you see you Pat's, you'd be like, Jesus Christ. No, but even the same sport. No, even the draft, though, even coming out for the draft, man, they had, I never forget, they had talked bad about me. They called all the scribes, all the scribes and pundits.

They were saying, they were saying, like, he's not a, he's not an every down, backer, you know, he can't play third down. Can't play third down. Yeah. Who we got in the office? Just so you know, the movie's over. He's won. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't want to spoil this one for you, but he did. Pretty good. And so, yeah, so they was saying that. And then at that time, you know, you had guys like Paul Pelesney and John Beeson. These are all, I mean, they're good players. But I remember, like it was yesterday, being an API. And I remember saying myself, after hearing, like, all them say what they were saying, he's not this, he's not that.

You know, we're getting ready for, you know, getting ready to start training. And I remember, I said to myself, I said, when it's all said and done, I will be the first linebacker taking. And every single day I work to be just that, even after the combine was over, a lot of guys are, I'm going to rest. I'm going to go back to my hometown.

I went right back to API, and I kept on working. So when I went to my pro day, I knew I was primed and ready. And when they called my name on draft day and I was the first linebacker taken, those were moments where I was like, man,

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wake up at the morning, get the workout in, full day of work, still gives it your all when you come home. You are a form energy guy. Form energy, we do the work back to Patrick Ploor. What kind of emotion goes through your body and your mind when your name does get called and all the shit that you went through, like it had to be,

it had to be insane as as I wanted to be all like excited it was more like man now it begins right now it begins because I didn't want to be one of those

I didn't want to be one of those guys that you get drafted and you know you don't do or you think getting drafted is just enough I was like now now now we got to go so we got to go make something happen and and when it's all sitting done I want to be you know I want to be a good linebacker

but the greatness part didn't come into after my rookie training, well, my rookie training camp, well, the first day of practice, I've told the story before, but the first day of practice was one of the roughest days that I had had up to that point. I've grown up and had some tough times, maybe not the roughest, but it was a tough day to the point to where by the end of the day, I thought I was going to get cut. I was like, man, they're going to cut me, man.

You're talking about rookie minicamp? Yeah, rookie training. Brooky Mee can't. 11th overall pick. Isn't it crazy? Like saying that knowing like there was no shot, you're going to get cut? And see, I didn't, I didn't know that it wasn't a shot that not getting cut. Dude, same.

I mean OTAs, my rookie year and be like, you had bad day, but like, I might not be here. Yeah. When you go talk to an older guy like, hey, you think I'm good? They're like, you're an idiot. I was done. Bro, you're a, you're a first job. Hearing them sit there talking tailie back, same. I'm thinking, what are these guys?

Oh, bro. Hey. But it's so real because you're just But it's not real No, it is in your mind. You get drafted super high And you're like, what an amazing moment But then you immediately go to this

And then there's all expectations, All the coaches, you go from Where you're saying where Tennessee is like We don't need you because we have these 5A guys To now like only people want to talk to you Because you're the first round thing Then you go to the first practice And you're not good in the first practice

You kind of get thrown around a little bit And you're like, oh my God They just think they made the worst investment ever And they need to get out of here as fast as possible It's a different type of paranoia. Because at this time, too, rookie minicamp, some of us is there. The dudes that got to get better,

got to go show up to the rookie rookie minicamp. So I was one of those guys. I had to show up because they're like, yo, you second year guy. Yeah, you're second year guy. You ain't no starter. You know, we had Billy Bejima and then Vernon Davis still at tight end.

So it's like, come on. Show up. So as a second year guy? Bro, I had to do the second year mini. camp shit too, but I was tight. But it's honestly one of the best things that could have happened for me.

Honestly, yeah. Because they focus on you. Like the coaching staff that's there, they're like, hey, you know everything. All they drafted was Trent Murphy, who was an outside pass rusher. So the coordinator,

lineback coach are like, hey, we ain't drafted. All the reps. Yeah, you get all the reps. All the reps. So when camp do start, I'm on point. On point.

I'm on point. I'm crisp. Yeah. Hey, it's just mind-boined to me that just knowing the career that I knew with you, you're a cat, I had to go to a second year rookie minicam.

Yeah, that's nuts. Delaney was like the only guy when I got to the Titans. Like you, your roster was solid when you guys got there. You had a good team. Oh, buddy, their roster. Yeah, you guys were dialed. I walked in. We wasn't as dialed when you first came in.

It was a lot of veterans. A lot of veterans. Yeah, we had Brian Young, um, um, Larry Allen. Yeah, yeah. Jonas Jennings Chris Smiley

We had a gang of vets When we came in I mean We were surrounded by Eight year dudes Eight nine year dudes Like Yeah

So that's a point When I got to the Titans Like there was you And like Michael Ruse Yeah And that was like There's your vets Was Big Country still there?

No big country Let Well he retired the year Before I got there So yeah it was only like three, three, because Rob Barronis was there. Yeah. Yeah, so it was three of us.

Three, like, older dudes. Bro, how about the defense that you got to play with? Like, looking back. Like, you remember when they're breaking down, I remember watching on, like, whether it was Monday and I football, you guys were playing a primetime game. They talked so highly how well, because I got to play for Tom Sula and Minniewski in Washington.

Minniewski was our D coordinator, and Tom Sulu was our D-Gline coach. Obviously, legends. Legends. And how they played to where, you know, the edge, like you're setting the edge. So as a backer, you never, you know, as Tom Sula said, you never get your cock to the sideline.

You do that, you turn around and tell your linebacker because you watch film as a front seven together. You tell the D-Lyman to turn around and say, look at Patrick Will, look at Will, and just tell them, fuck you because you're giving up the edge. And now they got to look stupid trying to chase the sideline. But they would always talk about how you guys could stop the run with the two-shell look.

I mean, you said the name earlier, Ray McDonald, Justin Smith, Alden Smith, Navarro Bowman, DeShon Goldson, Hittner, Chris Cully. Chris Cully. Yo, that defense was insane. Insane. And, same.

Rodgers. On the other side. Oh, my God. I think the foundation of it, though, was built in those years that we were not winning. Yeah. Because a lot of people don't realize, even though we were not winning, we didn't give up 100-yard rush. And in those four seasons, it wasn't until 2011 when Marchion, like, got a hundred and six yards on this one night. And that's when we kind of lost.

that because we we somehow we got the name steam rollers because like I don't know how I don't honestly I don't know where it came where it came from but that's how like tight was but we worked on it every single day like everything we did like from the fits and everything you said we knew like we knew from if something got wide we knew who didn't hold the we knew who didn't hold the point if if if them double teams were not coming up if them double teams were not coming up just then he would he would look he would come to us sideline he'd be like you fuckers ain't moving are you like that's like what you mean

sit behind them for too long yeah because sometimes depending on who you playing but you gotta you can show us when we're playing against Chris Johnson man playing against him god you're not gonna go into a hole yeah you gotta wait until he gets a decision yeah you go and mess around and he'd be going or whatnot

so yeah so we man it was that's what I was saying earlier is that the better like to come back now and just you know just show up and like yeah you might go out there and make a tackle and stuff but it's nothing like playing with a group of guys who truly understand like to fit and understand like how significant it is to like not just run around to say I'm just going to do this for me but really understand like man I'm trying to stick my neck in here and hold his double tino or come off this edge and like smack this guy so it don't so it doesn't get wide for our guys and that's why I'll always have respect for manned especially those guys early on manny lawson manny lawson um brooks amad ptown r r ral RP, P-Town, just that whole defensive front. Because, again, man, we was, a lot of people don't talk about it,

but we were stopping the run. So for four years, we didn't allow 100-yard rush, and we did that with a seven-man box. Seven-man box. So when I'm talking, I've talked to you at times about, like, in the two-gap system, like being so dull, you being in it. Like, you would sit there. Any coach I had, we never had front-seven meetings.

Like, true front-seven where you're kind of meeting, a few, like multiple times a week. Under Minuski and Tom Sula was the only time where it's like you have the defense sitting in there watching run fits and watching everything to where everybody understands everybody's job, to where if P. Willis is reloading a front or moving guys over, a lot of the times you don't even have to do that because the D line is so in tune with if they're in like an ace pair trips look or if he's tanked or if he motions over, the D line knows, okay, I'm going to go from a tight three to I might go into a two-eye.

and it's literally, it's literally just like on the stripe. It's not like a loose three to go into a two-eye. You're just moving one little step, and they have to get their hands on. They have to punch or hit that little drop step when they take on a power. Man, what? And the backers have to press a gap

to get guys his eyes to come up. So, hey, if he comes up, now you're clear to fall back. The edge has got to be set. But the entire operation was because, like, again, Minoski, Tom Sulu, those coaches that we had, which I know we're with your staff, you're sitting there watching, like,

as a defense together. And when somebody would fuck up, you know, Tom Sula, he was a massive jok, so he was awesome. It's an Italian guy. I got the chains, got the um, but everything. Talk about you wanted no way to double your money.

He'd pull out his money and then just fold it in half and be like, now you put it in half and you just put it back in your pocket. That's how you used to say stuff. Eat a hoagie, some pizza beer. They'd be in the locker room after practice. You'd have a cold beer with them. But you would watch everything as a defense together. And that was like the only time where I felt like as a defense,

that was the only staff to where we did that. And everybody kind of knew what everybody's job. was man it made it made it means accountability it sounds it's it was it was nuts man yeah was it uh but with those four years things not going well you're not lying a hundred yard rusher guys when they would fuck up was it very quick to people being like that's on me because you know you already i'm going to be exposing this meeting before so guys are more quick to for sure i'll fix that yeah for sure game adjustment which obviously bred do you guys go to the super bowl it felt like it breeded too like even after games like you'd have your few guys

or you just be watching, you would de-lemy, you just watch them together before you get into that defensive meaning to where guys kind of just already know what's happened. I mean, ours wasn't near as good as what their defense was, but to execute that defense with a light box, you obviously got to have horses, but everybody's got to be able to play it like that second level of IQ,

and that's everybody across the board. And that's what I see in today's game, where I feel like I see much more individual ball being played that you can see, certain stuff he's like man you know he got that you know he got that run on you because buddy is two why he need to squeeze down like there's no need for him to be playing a true three when if you got like a pair why you know right over here like why are you so far back here squeeze it in which stuff we would we had calls i want to say i'm on here but we had calls

i'm sure you know what he calls yeah clip it yeah yeah he just i don't know that's a second time, I thought the NFL's going to get him. He's like, hey, you're removed me out there. You're removed enough now. Like the Niners got to play tomorrow and the same staff. You know how it is, man. He's going to play the Patriots. He's got the door locked, everything.

That is so. But the three tech goes to like a four-eye. Yeah, yeah. They know how to squeeze it down tight. Because then, now that helps, they helps me because if he's standing out, if he's standing out wide or a night and they do, they do do a stretch or a 26

what they do what they call it now I'm going to have to play the A gap that much water where if he squeezes down to the texture 3 and squeeze in a little bit more. Now they kind of condenses how much more I need to get rocked back

but also how much I need to rock back but also too man I I saw I seen it like I'm not a fan of 4-3s like I don't know about you guys but I can't stand when I was in college I played in a 4-3 but after I when I got to the league and this was part of

like that first day of training camp that had me frustrated. I didn't, I wasn't familiar with a three, four defense. And I was like, man, these suckers going to draft me. So I had 12 visits and San Fran was not one of them. But I did have him in the senior bowl that weekend. That was a brutal week, man, me and coached Singletary. But I said, man, I said, they're going to draft me. They're going to put me in the middle.

And it's not even a true middle. I'm like, I'm on one side. I'm used to being right in the middle where I can go left, right. Yeah. I said, they're going to draft me. put me on one side. I was like, they must not want me to be successful.

This is what I'm like, and this is a three, four. You would think they would, you know, put you on the outside or something and whatnot. And I never forget when that night meeting, Minoski walks in, Cozine asked, you know, he says, so how's everybody feeling? And I thought, I took it as personal.

I thought he was asking us personally, like, how you feeling? Like, you know, how's everything going, like at home? Like, I thought it was personal. I didn't know he was talking about how we feeling from today. practice. You know, this is, again, I'm just a rookie,

so I'm still trying to learn the dialogue. So I'm like, nobody raised their hands. I'm like, hey, coach looks at me. I noticed he looks at me kind of like, why are you raising your hand? You're a rookie. What are you raising your hand for? This is Minuscary.

Okay, okay. But then as soon as I raised my hand, Minoski walks in and I'm like, oh man, this is fate. I'm like, now I get a chance to, he, coachine just asks us how we're feeling. Minnowski just walked in. I'm like, I finally get to,

to say everything I wanted to ask. I wanted to say I've been frustrated for the day they had me in the middle. Like, Kosteen Kuzmiya, I said, why y'all draft me? What? No way. I swear, that's a true story, man.

Is this rookie minicam? This is, no, this is, this is training camp. Day one. But day one. Training camp day one. The whole team's in there. No, just our line.

Oh, just our linebackers in there. But Minnuska was walking through to go upstairs, and he just decided to walk in to the middle linebacker, the middle linebacker, because outside was with Tarborough or whatnot. So it was just all middle. And I said, why y'all draft me? So when I said, why you draft me,

I felt some, I felt somebody doing this right here to my chair, but I thought they was like, me like, okay, like, you know, keep going like that. And I come to realize he would try to give me to shut up. So I said, I was like, why y'all draft me? Why y'all draft me and y'all put me in the middle? I thought y'all would draft me to be a playmaker. Y'all draft me because y'all need someone to make plays for you.

I said, y'all draft me, you know, put me in the middle, and Mniewski is just looking at me. He was like, I can only imagine what was going through his head. But he was just looking at me as if, like, is he really having this conversation? Are you really talking like this right now? And he says, well, you know, but as I'm looking at Mnushki, I also look at Singlet's like, you know, you got that peripheral vision. And he's looking at here, which you see.

And I see Coit Singh, as I'm saying this, like asking these questions, I see Coat Singh take his glasses off. And he sets him on the table like that I'm like, oh man, he might be really feeling me like, I, like, I'm like, the mind you know, I haven't took a visit or nothing here. So I'm like, I probably, like, I really just changed

his game. Yeah, yeah, I saw him, I saw him take those glasses off like then. And I still feel this right here, right? Man, seeing gets up and walk out of the room and I'm first and when he gets him walk out of the room I swig out of he gets some walk out of room and I'm thinking myself like that's very disrespectful I thought you just asked the question and I'm answering it and you just get up and you walk out of the room

and then Mniewski says well you know Ray played in a played in three four and he was an all pro and then he started naming off to you guys I was like yeah but I thought Ray played in a four three when he was doing all that you know wrecking habit and whatnot and I was just going back and forth with Minniewski, wasn't I, about it? He was like, with Junior Sayah, and I was like, and then finally he said, fuck Pat, I don't know, just fucking play ball. Like that.

I said, when he said that, I feel like I heard my dad just say, you know, it doesn't matter, just get it done. You know, like that? And I was like, you know what, at the end of the day, I'm here and shit, that's, I know how to go, I know how to go get it done, like, you know, and so that was, so Minnowski walked out of the room is when Minnowski walked out of the room,

single said outside. Hannibal Navy's Brandon Moore all of them started laughing and going crazy they was like, boy, you're so crazy, man. I was like, I was looking at that

I'm like, what you mean? I was like, for real? Like that he was like, man, what made you say all that? I'm like, he asked, how are we doing? How are we feeling? He was like, he's like,

Brandon Moore said, fool. He was talking about like how practice went. I was like, why do you say how practice? Why didn't you mention practices? You know? Like, I'm going to ask you.

Going through my head. And so I'm going to shorten it down the story. They leave. Kocene walks back in. He kicks me. Koseen walks back in. He tells me, Pat, get out. I'm like, holy fuck, man.

Like, my first day of training camp. Now I'm outside in the hall. And I'm like, well, maybe I go to the bathroom. You know how the old room was set up. I was like, maybe I just go to the bathroom. Because I want people see me just standing out here in the hallway. They don't think I'm a rookie. They don't think I'm that.

that kind of rookie word. I'm like, man, this guy already skipping meetings and all this stuff. But so I'm standing out there in the hallway. I was like, no, I better stay here with Casey called me. And they think of the offensive linemen walked through. And I see him looking at me kind of like, what you doing, you know, out here? But I'm thinking they're thinking they're here like, man, he's just being one of those guys. He's going to be gone.

He's already getting cussed out at practice. And they don't mind you now. They don't know that I got kicked out of the room. Eric Kucing let the other linebackers out. They come out. They all laughing at me. Co-seen calling back in there I never forget man he called him back in there

I'm sitting down on my chair he's walking around yeah he knows how he walking around I'll see him thinking or whatnot I'm thinking to myself like man what's going through his mind and all of a sudden he says Pat

I cannot believe you had the audacity because he already had this voice that carries like real deep and I swear it sounded it sounded just like they're like Pat I cannot believe you had the audacity to ask him kind of questions, son.

You talk about being great. Greatness is earned. Nobody's going to give you greatness. Now, I don't know where you was going. And the whole time I'm head, I'm thinking of myself, like, man, I don't know what it is about the base in your voice right now, but it sounds like you, it's not like you either want to fight or that you might be mad.

It just, you know, I grew up with a dad that, you know, he only had to say something once. And so you can tell the tone of people's voices when they speak, like, you know, what they mean. But the way he was talking like that, and I was like, man. He really sounds mad. And he said, but when he said greatness is earned,

and you got to, he said, greatness is earned. You got to put it into work every day. Nobody's going to give it to you. But I never forget, I went home to my dorm, got on my knees. I said, God, I don't know what it's going to take. I said, but whatever I need, I said, just bless me to have it,

and I'm going to give it everything I have. And when it's all sitting down, I just want to be one of the best linebackers ever, have played this game. And I promise you, God, I woke up the next morning and something was different. I remember I went out there

underneath them tarps. And mind you, now they would be laughing at them because our individual drills be so hard. Like, everybody else is going through that individual and our individual drills be

when you finish, man, your legs shaking. Like, you're putting you have to go to one-on-one and cover God like the very, your legs are like this right here all because Coach singing, like, we're going to walk,

we're going to walk. And so when I tell you, like, my stance and everything was really built from every day we worked just like that to the point of where it was like a joke everybody up they're funny get killed today right yeah and um so I went out there and everything was just different man I was underneath the shoot he was coming underneath there to try to knock my

like not my feet you know loose and all that kind of stuff I was punching his I was trying to break his wrist I ain't a lot to I was like he gonna know today like I'm I'm here and I'm not going nowhere and so yeah man it was um I don't know how he went on that that tangent but I forget too, but I love the tone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it was just after that day, after that night, yeah, I didn't, I didn't look back, and here we are. Well, it's a crazy thing. I've been retired now.

It would be 11 years this year. Yeah, that is nuts, isn't it? Yeah. Did you play how long? Seven? Eight years? Well, it was like 7.6. Seven point six?

What? Hey, seven point six. How did you get the point six? Because I play six and a half game. seven games and they give you like I think you get credited yeah something like that and so that's why I'm I'm like that like if you ask me how tall am I won't say I'm six two I'll say I'm six one and 72 inches like I I I just say I'm six one like I'm not one of the ones it just inflates so yeah it says I had eight but so well so it when

you retired it was it had to do with your feet yeah that yeah that was because when you retired I'm again as a backer it's kind of like a superheroes gone. Yeah, yeah, that was a straw that broke the camel's back. I mean, I had had so many injuries, like, through, like, from surgeries. And you all know, like, it's not just when you have the surgery. It's now you got to get back to where you were. You got to get back to just being healthy.

And then you got to work to get better because my mindset was always, like, I got to be better today than I was yesterday. So I could feel it like after every surgery, you could feel like, man, like, you would tell yourself, I'm going to come back, I'm going to be better than I was. but you, I began to realize how much energy, how much force it takes to, like, really, like, be that and do that. Because, like I said, you couldn't stay the same because you have youngsters breathing on your neck.

Yeah. You got, you know, you got other people. You all had, like, Chris Borland when he was, uh, bro, he came in. Yeah, what he played? Two years? Something like that. I remember it was, because he had, like, 140 tackles his rookie. It was crazy.

You were heard or Bowman was hurt, so I just remember watching film, like, whenever y'all played. I want to say it was maybe the Giants because he picked off. Eli a couple of times. But I remember because he was like, he was a great backer in my drive class. So seeing him, I'm like, oh, man, he's going into a room with Patrick Willis and Navar Bowman. And then, yeah, when Bowman was certain, he's filling in the play, it's like, yo, he's out there.

Oh, no, so Bowman, so he actually filled in for me after I got injured. But Bowman, Bowman was hurt. Bobbin got hurt during that 2013. So he wasn't playing that season, but I thought it was. Got you, got you. He came in for me. But that was, but I was already at that point, though, to where I knew. that I didn't have much longer to play

because my feet were was, if I can give context, it was equivalent to like NASCAR. So you know you have a NASCAR they go, what, 30 laps or not before they can change their tires. Well, my feet, my toes felt like

I was just barely on TRES. And when you grew up, you know, not having much. You know what Tres can look like sometimes on your tires or whatnot when it gets real thin, you like, my dad was up. But I get a new tire for this tire blew out

or whatnot. or you see the tires start poking through a little bit, and that's how I would equate it with, like, that's how my feet were, like, my body was my vehicle, and my feet were, like, my tires. And I was like, man, I would say it often, and I would say, I don't know how much longer I have to play this game. I would say it to my family.

I would say it to my teammates. And I would say it for years. Like, I was probably standing after my third year. I was probably starting to, like, be more vocal about it because that's how bad they were hurting. to the point to where I had to put numbing cream on my toes just on my big toes just to go out and have walkthroughs.

I used to dread walkthroughs. I was like, I do not want to get on these feet until it's time to go prepared, but I knew, but I was also the type of athlete that I had to do the reps to get better. Some people can just see it and just go do it, but I had to rep through it or whatnot. And so yeah, it was a feat that said, all right, it's time.

What was like the diagnosis from the doctor? doctors. So I tore the tendon. So it was like equivalent to ACL in the big toes. Okay. And it was on the outside and they had to go in and like, we had to tighten his joint down and pull his tendon back across, but I already have

flat feet as it is. And so my toes were already like pushing to the side and all this stuff. And for so long I had asked, for so long I had mentioned about like, man, why can I just get surgery on these things and just, you know, get them right? And they was like, nah,

It wouldn't be good because if you had surgery on it might not be the same and all that and I was like What shit? I don't know how much if y'all were talking about it keep me around for a long time like I don't I'm not going to have that so every place you guys seen it was me understanding that like man I don't I don't know how long like I had to do this I love to get 10 if I can but I don't know if my toes are going to be able to last that long however however when they do, however when it ends, and they look back on every play. And that's what I would say today is,

I just go turn on the film and just watch, whether it's practice or games. It wasn't a day that you didn't see me giving it everything I had because, again, I knew that it was going to come at some point, and sooner than later, and if it did, they would be able to measure me based on, you know, what I had done. And so that's why, like, in them eight years, I was,

I didn't go into it, like, yeah, I got a few years I can, you know, pass by the time because I'm gonna play this long. I was like, shit, it's no guarantees. And what these toes are. And I didn't say this part. The doctor actually told me after I, after I had surgery on this toe,

he told my friend who was with me, he said, make sure you let him know that, no, I'm sorry, he had told me, he said after I had surgery, I was kind of like coming back to a little bit, Well, I was already back to where they was pushing me out. And he said, first I just want to let you know, like, I don't know how you lasted as long as you did with your toe like that

because it was starting to turn white on the inside or whatnot. Like he said, well, it was so inflamed that it was like had all the joint in there as if it was like not really a joint in there. And I'm like, listen, Doc, I was trying to tell people like how bad my fucking feet were hurting and whatnot. And they just look at me like, what you mean? It's just your feet. And I'm like, no, man.

you understand my something wrong with these things or whatnot and so um so then he told me he said um and also your right one is just as bad and so at some point whether you do it why are you plan or when you finish you're going to have to have surgery on that one as well and that's when I was like I said nah no I said the game has been good to me um I've been fortunate enough to be able to like do some things like put put myself I've been able to do the things that I said I was going to do and at 20 when I remember when I was 22 23 I see guys come back and they would talk to us and the hands would be like this and they walk and they look fragile and I'm thinking myself at 22 23 I'm like man is that what we have to look forward to so now fast forward I go through my years

surgeries a lot of had like I had five surgeries on this one hand one over here and now here I am going into year eight and the only thing I'm thinking I'm like I can see them same guys when I'm when I was 21, 22, and they come back in their hands like this. And I was like, I don't want to come back in 10 years or 20 years, and that's me. I was like, so how do I do, how do I go out or how do I do enough to where I don't take that? I don't use all my life for us to where I can't, like, I don't have nothing to come back from or whatnot. And so, yeah, so all of that together was, yeah, it's time to make, time to go figure out something else. How quickly was that decision?

It didn't happen overnight. It was, like, I'd been thinking for a while. Going into that last year, I'll tell you guys that. Going into that last year, I knew it's probably going to be my last year because I was getting to the point of where I didn't have it in my feet to, like, compete. Like, I didn't have it even even to work on the things I knew I needed to work on to be better, but I couldn't do the things I needed to do to be better because I didn't have my toes to be able to stick, you know do certain moves i had to just do the same on like you know catch you like you know

get you make you think i'm going to use my speed to go ahead and then just get an edge on you and then i'm just going to track you like yeah i'd imagine it felt like uh it's like pain and fear and having the thought process of uh like the joy you have playing football turned into the joy was gone and i have to do this versus i get to do that's exactly where it started to feel like if i manned around the head man devarro somehow we they ended up giving us a nickname of pain and suffering I was pain and Navarro was suffering, but literally that's how I played or not. Like, I felt like I was, I feel like it was joy, but man, it was so much pain. But I feel like I had to suffer through it just long enough to be able to do what was needed to, I guess, man, be where I am today.

Like, I remember, they used to tape your big toe down like that, right, and then tape it. Like curl it and tape it? They will get a white thing, put it on top, and pull it down. To try to keep it like so it could stay like firm because it's not right, man. It gets loose and you, it's like you didn't have no big toes. It'd be like you having your thumbs and you just only have these. But even these were here wasn't working good because they got so used to being this way. So. Yeah, man, my feet were.

And without my feet, I feel like I couldn't do much. God, damn. You should have saw the tape job. It was like 30-minute tape job. Like every day, like every day. Every day. You guys should see my cleats. You should have seen his cleats.

You should see my cleats. I kept, I wore a new pair of cleats every, almost every other day or every week. Every game I had a new pair of, I had to wear a new pair of cleats. Because when they got loose, I feel like my, it's going to put pressure on my. Yeah, they felt snugged in there, yeah. So if you look in the bottom of my cleats, you were literally looking at it and be like, man, who's living in here? I literally have like, like, tote things here. I got the little spat pads.

would put here all trying to get my feet like some kind of balance to so I could grab it. It felt like my feet were, I feel like my feet were on ice inside of my shoes. That is so weird. Kind of sounds like gout. Before being real. So I'm a survivor too, man. Yeah, that is brutal. But hey, but we all, we all went through, we all went through something or faced

something. I remember the cowboy would say, Justin Smith, he would say, man, if we only play this game when we felt good, we would never play. And so, and that was real because there was times where I did. I had joy for competition. I had joy for, like, you know, sports. But God damn, man, the way my body would feel,

I literally, I wish to say, I said, man, one day I'm not going to have to do this, and I'm going to be able to, like, relax and better do what I want to do, what I want to do it. And for the most part, I get to do that, but like I said life, you realize there's more to life. And there's things you have to get set up right in life. But all in all, though, like, yeah, I just, I try to give everything I have because so I could be where I am today.

So the person you see today is a person that I've been working to, like, to get to. I wanted to be able to, like, be at a place where if you were like, man, look at you, like you can still move. You look well. You look fine. I'm like, thank you. But I had to make that decision back then. and it's taken me 10 years to really, you know,

get myself to this person that you see had I not and I had kept on going, then I really don't know if I, I don't know how it would have been. I just know that it didn't add up to like it had been a positive. How was it for you when you made the decision to retire in those first couple years? You're sitting there and you're still in your 20s

and you're watching the boys play. Yeah. And you see it. I know there's a moment you're feeling good on the couch. You're like, bro, I could go do this again. No. It was a dumb question It was more

When I was looking at it Like when I retired I felt like You always heard like Y'all ain't nothing But football players And And that's all y'all know

And that's You know we're just the same And all that You hear people All this rhetoric And something and stuff That they say And so in my head

I was like Man I got to go And get into something It's just as Just as good Or it looks as if it's It's better than football And at that point in time,

ever since I was a kid, I always been into technology and the fact that I was drafted to the Bay Area and now I'm out here in the Bay Area Hub, I was like, man, he's got to, again, this got to be fake working on my side or something. Like, what would be the chances? Like, I would be in a place of

being in a place of the same things I have always been intrigued with or whatnot. So, man, I jump from one frying pan to the next. And if I could give any recommendation that, I would always say, well, there's a relationship or whatever type of relationship it is, yourself a little bit of time to kind of dissect and and yeah see see some things and I didn't do

that and I just jumped straight into this tech business right after I retired and I was like man it gave it gave me that sense of purpose because of what I realized like not having football I was like shit man I got to do something not doing nothing is not an option and then like I said just I was like all right let me go get in the tech I want to be an entrepreneur I want to think I can build a you know I can be a part of something we just work really hard and you know you'll build it up and you're make millions, you know, and all that nonsense. And excuse me, I want to say nonsense, but you come to learn.

There's a lot more, a lot more to it. But I sell it to say, man, I got in this, ended up after a year, I remember it was after a year, it was September 24th, 25th. I get this call. And my business partner, man, shit was just crazy.

And it was not sounding good. And he knew more of what was going on than I did. But the fact that he was going crazy with acting like he was going crazy and everything, I was like, what the crap is going on, man? Like, what way? You can't go crazy.

I got my money invested in this one night. And lo and behold, man, it was almost like, come to find out, it was like Tyson, catch me in a dark alley. Tyson and Evander Hoodfield and Larry Holmes, all of them, catch me in an alley and just going ham on me. When I'm Tennessee alleys on Broadway over there

and going ham or whatnot because man, when I tell you, like it really humbled me to the 10th degree to say like, I was like, man, I feel like I'm in a world right now to where what the fuck have I just done? And I'm saying this to say, I can see how, when they say guys after five years have been in the league, how they can end up being broke because you're trying to find something in nine times of ten we probably don't know the right people at that point in

town to really put us in a you know to help us be in a better situation because i've learned because now i am but then i wasn't so i said i like to say in those three years man i would probably say those are probably tougher than than football and life itself like before like anything or whatnot so it's it's been a it's been a journey it's been a journey and i'll say man every person and goes through that dark night of soul in some form of fashion or whatnot. And depending on how much you've been through in your life, that's how much you're going to have to go in

and get to working on and get better at what and whatnot. And so this is where I'm the day. When you're talking about those three years, like if you were, whenever you go and I assume you probably speak to players or speak to guys about stuff, whether it's post-life, post-career. What's like in that story, what's like a regret that you speak to? You're like, hey, learn from this mistake.

that I made or do this extra due diligence, whatever it is. I would say be vulnerable early. Don't wait until something happens. Don't wait for something major to happen to you. Like even if you see like small things that you know you want to work on or get better at, like go do it like now. Don't wait until it happens because I feel like that's the thing with football is, I mean, with me retiring, I felt like if you wait, if you wait too long, it may be

not be good. What was I going? I would just say whatever you need to work on, get started on it, like, now. And use why you have that shield on your back, why you wearing that helmet, like, use that to leverage you. But the only thing is, it's like you're talking to youngsters. It's like you're talking to, like, little kids

that it's going to go in one end after the other because you don't know what you don't know yet. And when you're in that game... It takes a good year. Yeah, when you're in that game, it's like you think he was going to keep on, like, doing your thing. And so somebody come back and they say something to you. And it's almost like, I can see when you say stuff to the guys. Some guys, you can see like they kind of, they listen

for a statement. You see some guys like you just tell, as my dad used to say, all right, boy, don't let it go in one area and out to other. And you can see it going in one area and out to other. And then you just realize everybody's going to have to have their, go through their own journey and you just be there for them when they, when they need you, or you just speak life. And then just like anything, when it's going to be a moment to where they're going to have a moment they're processing up like, you know what, such and such was actually like telling me about this or blah, blah, and then that's when they'll come back. Because other than that, I don't, I don't speak or I don't say anything that I can't stand behind or that you won't be able to come back

to me later on and be like, hey, when we're talking about this, what do you mean? And I'm able to like share, but yeah, and that's also, it took me a while to come back around the team because I felt like I didn't have any sustenance. I felt like, yeah, I can come back and talk about X and O's and how to tackle somebody. I'm like, but I got coaches for that. Like, what do I really possess that's different? And it took me to go out into the world, I call it into this ocean of a world or whatnot

and have some bumps and bruises to be able to come back now when I'm in there. And I'm like, listen, I don't know everything there is to know, but I know I had to get my shit straight or whatnot. And there's something I can help assist or just, you know, give you some kind of light in some form and fashion, like, you have to walk to walk, but I'll share with you, like, what I know and going through what I went through.

Like, yeah, man, it's made me, it's made me a lot, a lot stronger. Like, it's way beyond, like, just, you know, tackling somebody at this point. And so, yeah. Are you able to share what did happen? With the three years, the three dark years? I said it was probably the hardest moments you come with it. It was just, man, it was one of the thing when you go to your, shit you go to your account and you realize like man a lot of money is it's not there and you like what

the hell is going on like why is the money not there where it was supposed to be doing the things that but then you realize the onus that you have to take and so I went through a little bit of financial like it wasn't it wasn't in a sense of like man just I lost everything but it was at the point when you've had a lot and you get hit pretty strong you like it kind of you have to make you readjust meaning like you're comfortable but then something happened in life and you're like oh wait a minute it caused you to it it would actually probably save me because had I not had had to go back and I call like figure out what's going on yeah what's going on I would have just been thinking like everything is cool about yeah like you know you just set no money but you just only

setting on it you didn't I didn't know anything but because I had to go through because I some and I had to really like figure it out and I spent about two years thinking like I can figure this out myself like I know I can because you was embarrassed to like talk to anybody and share anything to anybody and then I remember I was talking to one of my teammates and him and I was having a conversation and tell you the hardest thing sometimes to do is be honest with yourself and he was asking me some questions and I couldn't answer the questions I was like well I'm getting some residuals he's like yeah but what's your what's your number what's your passive like things like I should have known when I was playing, but I was making good money,

and I knew that, like, as long as I don't touch, as long as I just mess with my endorsement money or whatnot, like, that's just simple as like, you only spend what you, what you have or not, and then you just put your football money away. But he was asking me questions that I didn't, I couldn't answer it. And so I remember reaching back out to him. I was like, hey, what do you mean when you're talking about passive income? When you talked about, um, dividends, like, you know,

what is all that stuff you're talking about? He was like, he said, let me, I'm going to connect you with my guy. He's going to send you some questions to send to your guy. And that was the moment. And that was like three years ago. And that was a moment that really like things started to like, I was like, okay, I got to. The guy after I got the information back, the other gentleman broke it down to me. And when he broke it down to me, it was as real as this.

You can be the nicest person in the world. But if we don't know what you don't know, you'll be broke to. and so and I said it as a statement because when he broke it down to him I was like wait a minute see me tell me even though I got this nest egg or whatnot

even though I have this nest egg and X, Y and Z like this could still happen he was like yeah because this is how finances work and when he broke it down to me I said holy shit I see how guys

run out of money yeah so he had your money and high stake high stocks high risk accounts yeah like what stocks that you can take

big risk on pretty much is that what you're saying you're talking about with the tech guy that was in no what you like like when the one dude started to like educate you you're getting some questions answered

and he's like you send it to your guy and you're thinking okay is he going to be able to give him information back that makes sense and that's when you started to kind of put the puzzle together

that you could have been in a bad spot with the gentleman you were working with no so this is from the tech company yeah yeah well so somehow I kind of went rambled through

So when I taught everything happened with the tech guy first like that's so my money was in this was with the tech guy and him and I Was doing business or whatnot but come to find out he was living off the money like it was like it was his That you invested yeah that I invested and so what we end up you're investing getting some sort of percent Yeah and I see him living yeah and I see him living his you know he'll see him living the life and but it was all the things now had I understood how to do had I done my due diligence, like, ask the question, get the background check, I would have figured out right away. And I still had one person and two people that was like,

man, you sure, like, he's kind of strange and done it up, but I was so in my ego. I was like, so like, no, I can do this, like, just work really hard. Like, I'm smart enough. And you realize, like, man, you need people that are smarter than you, especially, like, in this realm. And so after all that happened,

I spent those three years just trying to, like, so I went through arbitration and got everything back, and when I got everything back and I think it's around 2017 because of things that were like um like had assets here different things whatnot and that's when I realized so I retired 2015 2017 is when I realized like shit man this freedom stuff you got you got you got responsibilities like you have to like uphold you got like take care of what night and so that's when I was like just I just kept it bare minimum like I come from much and nothing so I was like all right I know I got you know I got a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of bit but this ain't enough to I keep having to pull from this a little bit and I was making some I was making some money here and there but I just noticed something wasn't, something just wasn't right

man I was like how do people get this this living thing that they I didn't know what I was even trying to ask myself until I was having a conversation with Dante and they say and this is saying that when the Buddha, I mean when the teacher is ready the student, when the student is ready

the teacher will appear and I was at that place or not Like I said, I was just having a conversation with the teammate, and him and I was working out, and he just started asking me some questions because he had already, he had to go through something similar and whatnot. And so that's how he was able to ask me. And that's when I was like, I realized like, man, I need some, I need to get this right. And so when, when his guy sent me the list to send him my financial guy that I have at the the time because I fired my very first one right after I retired I got rid of everybody that's

probably another reason to too that got me I just felt like everything was off no was what it was supposed to be not that it was bad it just I wouldn't I wouldn't in tune to it like I should have and so I thought when I was hearing anything it's just like and this is off and so I was like you don't know what to do I just get rid of everybody you know and so just just knew the whole thing yeah yeah but I said to say what I what I learned was the guy that I was that I had current so I still have him I still I have two actually and what I learned was that this person was not was not doing anything bad it was just these firms and stuff you realize that they are they are the middle man and they will put you in um put you in funds but they'll get their

money right off top like they get their money right off top and then there's other ones who they only make money if if I do and whatnot And so what I realized was this person was not doing anything bad, but he would just put me in these very expensive funds. Yeah, I'm getting returns, but he's getting, each time you put me in one, he's getting a killer return right off top like 60, 20, like 40,000, like 60,000 of his money.

So that's why he wanna put me in him and he down, he don't watch anything. He just kind of just. They'll be all right, let them sit. They'll be all right. Yeah, yeah, just like letting them sit or not there mature. I forget what the word, it was, I should know this, but.

They grow some with the words. Yeah, and he, and he, yeah. And so I just, I just realized. Something with the words. Yeah, so that's all it was, man. I just, so those three years of that was just me, like, really getting, all, getting, getting, taking on the full responsibility of the things that I had always put on, allow others to do for me or whatnot.

And so that was my first real, like, called my adult. I had a freaking turn to an adult, man. Like I was like, holy shit. Like this whole time, I thought I was adult because, you know, you could go wherever. You can go spend some money. You can go buy whatever. But now being a truly full responsible adult is everything that you say is supposed to be yours. Like you are taking care of it.

Like you are responsible for it. And so, yeah. So after I did that, went through that three years or whatnot. That's when I ended up meeting this new guy or whatnot who really, man, it feels good to be able to, you know, sleep. Yeah. And you see, you know, and sleep. And then every month, you know, you see that residual, you know,

dividend, like, come in and see them different, like, you know, avenues of, you know, streaming, like, revenue streams. Yeah, revenue streams. And you're like, man, this was supposed to be like. And then in my mind, like, just don't fuck it up. Yeah, yeah. Just don't, like, just don't be in a knucklehead or you're getting too egregious. just with stuff, just keep it simple,

just get base hits. Like, man, I play baseball. I love baseball growing up, so I understood the dynamics. I understood the scheme of it or whatnot as far as just, yeah, man, like, if you can get a home run, that's awesome, but it's very hard to get grand slams and unless you just know the top,

top ones. And so, yeah, that's, yeah, so I'm rambling, but yeah. Earlier when you said, when you're ready to be the student, the teacher will appear, I was like, my God, that is a bar. That is a, That was, that was, man.

I resonated. Just walked into a faithful workout and came out. It's time. It's time to figure out my, becoming an adult. No doubt. I appreciate you sharing that too. I appreciate you. I think a lot more athletes go through that than they want to admit to.

I just be trusting somebody or just being like, okay, I'm doing this in the field. They'll handle everything else off the field. And just be like, hey, I know what my contracts says I make. So I got to be good. Yeah. And then as soon as you pull the veil back a little bit, you have to have the right people in place. Yeah. And then be willing to ask those questions.

questions as well. Yeah. Like, hey, I need to see all these things. And if there's ever a lack of transparency, that should be the red flag right there, those guys that are affected. Yeah. And I would recommend, man, to guys, too, that if you are a business, when I was in school, I didn't take, I don't, I can't remember if I took any business class.

I took a political sign. I took political science. I made you in criminal justice, modern and English. So I took all those. But I didn't want time take a business class or whatnot. And now I sit on a family office board in Palm Springs, Velvet Hummer, where we buy small to medium-sized businesses and just sitting in there and listening to all the dialogue and whatnot.

I'm like, man, if I was an athlete, I would most definitely, like, I'd probably even take business, but I would make sure I'd get some business classes just so I can get the- You're absolutely right. I look back at college and I was like, I was a general studies major. Hey General Studies So I was like Yeah

I took a hula class I was the one white guy In African American studies And the black guy I'd be like White people suck I'd be like Oh shit

Hopefully I can get a seed And I look back And I'm 34 And I have two kids And I'm like dude If I wish I understood like What was in front of me enough

To be like I would have taken my education so much more serious. So now I'm 34 and I'm trying to like do other things extracurricular outside to like just educate myself on more things. But it's like that time is, you can always get better,

but I had such a opportunity. Yeah. Being in school to do all that. Yeah. Now I'm just doing a podcast. No, but man. Getting gout. And me,

I just had that gout. You got gout before? No, I just one of our teammates. Yeah, yeah. He would have. Hey,

but that's why I always tell, you know, the younger guys and guys that, even retired that I talked to audit everyone. They can't get mad. If they get mad, they're doing something dirty.

Okay? If they got an issue with you auditing and giving them an audit, they are doing something dirty. I tell people audit. I think I even audit. I was doing it. I was talking to my auditor on a show.

Auditor. Doing a podcast of my auditor. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Everyone. Everyone. I mean, why not, right?

Because like he said, I didn't go, my financial literacy is very low. I don't understand stocks. I don't understand the dividends and revenue that comes in off a percentage of stocks that I have. My Roth, R.A., I don't understand that. So when it sends me messages, and I'm like, oh, it's up.

But I don't know what that means. I know, but that's finance assholes. do different things like calling things base points yeah like oh it's 20 basements you mean 2% just say just say a number man so I can know what it is base points yeah talking about it they want to talk that language to make us say like we need them yeah you know like oh hey we do we do yeah yeah we do I'm not going I'm not out there looking at the market today going nah I'm not either yeah but I will audit your ass you yeah if you work with delay Delaney once a year you'll text me and be like send me all our text messages I

I'm gonna make sure you and I are good. Y'all may be coming soon. I'm getting to that market. I do appreciate you telling that story. There's a lot of guys out there that might be going through it right now, might not know that they're about to go through it or have been through it,

and it takes a lot of courage to talk about it publicly. Yeah. You know, if I can leave anybody with anything, if I can leave those sports guys with anything, Please. Going with that, man.

I'm going to see. Oh, I know it was. I know it was. Make sure, just like any of us know at this point, when you got a team full of just guys, when you got a team full of pro bowlers, when you got a team full of all pros, like, the difference in how the team is. And the reason why it's made sense. And now I love it because my financial guy that I have, the last one I have now, he's, he's. him and I was talking and he was like Pat he's like you got to get pro bowlers

around you he said you got to work with pro bowlers he said you are pro bowler you have to work with pro bowlers he said because if not he's just working with just guys he's like yeah they might go hard he said but they're not going to understand like what how you need to be or the elevation it was way he was putting in he's like and if you can get an all pro you know those are special and that's no different

than us been on any team when we've been on teams or you don't have nobody on a team to make the pro bowl, usually your team is not very good. Very good. You know, you get pro bowlers or not. Now you get into the playoffs or whatnot, and then you get some all pros. You're like, you mean, you're getting close to maybe making an appearance

at the Super Bowl and different things. And so that's what I would recommend any athletes that, man, if you're an All-American in college, make sure you get you an All-American finance person. And also, I make sure you're taxes, right? Them taxes, too. People don't talk about them. Yeah.

NIL deal taxes, yeah, I know. Yeah. But no, man, it's been a journey, but each day I always say regardless of how crazy life is, though, if you're able to wake up and open your eyes and you're breathing,

man, you can do something about your situation. It's a mentality, it's a mindset. And so that's why part of you want to feel sorry, that's why I couldn't necessarily feel sorry, and that's why it took me so long to, I called like, be vulnerable because I was like, I was hard on myself. I was like, oh, but sometimes I,

but now I realize like sometimes being vulnerable is being being strong in certain aspects or whatnot. And so, yeah. Do we appreciate you coming on? This is bit. Oh, okay, sorry, sorry, sorry. We had to have, he brought up one thing in that last statement about the Super Bowl.

Oh, yeah. He went to the Super Bowl. Lights cut off. Both of you were there. I'd love to hear your perspectives. Was that NFL Illuminati? Was that what was going on there? I'll let him give his side on it first.

Honestly, it was crazy because that was twice in the same year that we had lights go out in some form of fashion. The year, I mean, earlier that season, we was playing Pittsburgh. Monday night and the lights went out in Candlestick. And I was like, what? Y'all would be on everything. The lights go out. And I try not be one of those weirdos, but I watched too many movies growing up.

You know, and then when you're in the country, you got nothing to do, but be outside of your mind. You know, it can go to many places or whatnot. And then all of a sudden, we go to the Super Bowl, and we're in all places where in New Orleans. You know, all the weird stuff to be down in New Orleans. Yeah, the Ludo. Yeah, a lot of strange stuff.

And so I say it to say, whatever happened that day, we needed it. Because there was a weapon I had. ass that at first there was with my ass all way until them lights went out or night and I and I credit that to say they don't always say if you've been there before like the team that's been there before like they usually going to be the team like they have a little bit more like calmness like you can tell they've been there before man I couldn't feel my whole I couldn't feel my feet I couldn't feel my body I feel like I was having an out of body experience all week and when that

game uh when the games and when the ball snap I still felt like I was like holy crap man I was like is Is it that many eyes watching? I just feel like I was, I felt like I wasn't even there, but I saw it to say they was whooping our tails. And then when them lights went off, we were able to go in there and get a little, get a revival. I don't know where it came from, but we came back out and, man, we played that kind of ball.

And I'm like, man, this is actually what we were supposed to spend doing the whole time. But so, yeah, I don't know what that was. I thought it was crazy, though. Yeah, like my theory on it, like I obviously, like he said, They were blowing us out. But Vegas, the odds, the odds, people need to go back and look at the odds. Yeah? Look at the odds.

Hey, what did the odds say? I'm just saying, like, before the lights even went out, I saw dudes with suits. You didn't see the dudes with the suits, like, coming out on the field before the lights went out, all the NFL suits. Because offense was out. Offense, we were up. We were up on, offense was out there when the lights went out. We was just, we was on offense and the lights go out. But I'm sitting on the sideline because I'm, you know, Vernon is in.

It was, I think it was Vernon and Bruce Miller at, they were in. So I'm on the sideline waiting. And I started saying suits walk up. And I kind of thought that shit was wearing it in it. Boom. Remember how it kind of like boom? Yeah, yeah. It went like that.

And then it didn't go out. It went like slow. Remember it was like lights? still going and it wasn't all it went dark and then the lights came back on like a little bit and then we went in a lot yeah it was like real dimmed like yeah it's like they dimmed the lights I bro I don't know it was weird see see see when it was saying something yeah when you get to have a conversation yeah when you get to have a conversation I start now my mom I'm like shit man what was the eyes I still don't know how to I be thinking it's amazing when I be seeing you do your when I

be seeing you guys I be checking I be watching your show too let's go let's go but when I be seeing you got to do the betting and different things of that nature? I'm like, shit, man, how do you know the point spread? How do you know all of that? I'm like, see, that's too confusing. That's why I'm glad I did not get into the whole betting thing because I don't. I don't understand how it works and I'm glad I don't. But now I'm kind of curious, so what?

I'll shoot you apart like. What was going on? So I think the odds, I think it was like, it was probably the spread was the rate. was the Ravens was plus three and a half, I think. So that means you guys, that means the 49ers were favored to win by more than three or at three and a half points. No, no. I'm sorry, the 49ers was plus three and a half.

Okay. So that means the Ravens was supposed to. Yeah. So, and they were blowing us out. It was like, what, 21, three. Yeah, it was like 21, three. And we was, it was second, the second quarter, like eight minutes left before we had went into the half. Boom.

Lights go out. Literally like he just, Jacoby takes a kickoff return back. He takes that kickoff return back. After we kick a field goal, he takes it back. We like, damn, we're going to offense, the lights go out. I promise you, people start coming out.

Lights go out. They let us go in the locker room. We go in the locker room for a second. For a minute. We're going over plays, all this, right? We come out. The Ravens are hyping up their crowd. They dancing around.

Like I said, it's like 21-3. We're stretching. We start doing our stretch lines. We're doing our individual. O-line. You know how we do the O-line run? Defense do they set. We do all like if it's a new game again.

Yeah. And then the lights pop back on. We like out of nowhere. Lights come on. They're like, all right. Oh, let's start. Where we was at? They dropped the ball.

I think Frank Gore bused on the first play. And the momentum switch. And then the defense, y'all start shutting them down. and we start scoring points. We go in the halftime. We like, this is where we always been. We come back kids. We always come back.

We know we got this game. They owe. We're in there. It's like, they old. They're getting tired. They jumped on us quick because they've been here before. Like he said, we come out there. We get back to the game.

We down, what? Four. We lost by four. That's why I was going with it. When you said what the point spread was, I was like, whoa. We lost by four. And what the rest do at the end? And we end up losing.

We end up losing. They called, they didn't call no PIs. I still, we didn't run the ball. We was on the four-yard line. Let's stop. We'll stop. Yeah, we ain't going to get too much, anybody. That theory.

But look into it. But look into it. Look into it. We throw, we throw three passes. They hug us every pass. Don't even let us get off the ball. They never throw a flag. And I don't, and I still, to this day, don't know why.

We didn't run it. I know. Because, and again, I'm going to say this to you guys, man. And I've said it before. For a while, I didn't want to necessarily talk to Hardball after that game. And I wouldn't put it on him because we lost as a team. But the fact that we didn't run their ball,

rewind the training camp. We went to the training camp, and Harbaugh got up, and he talked about how we had the best offensive line. He was talking about the whole team, and then he went into the office line, and he said, we have the best offensive line and all the football and arguably, if not the best,

one of the best power slash runners the game has ever seen in Frank Gore. Fast forwarded, we're on a freaking five or four-yard line, and I think we run the ball the first time with the running back. Mike, LaMica James. We run it the first time with him. Morgan?

Yeah. And then three plays, and then three times after that, We don't give the ball with the best offensive line. Lodi and Nata was not coming off the ball anymore. Ray was not even coming down. He was barely even able to come down hill. He had one tackle the whole game.

Yeah, he'd probably able to come down hill and we don't run the ball. And so I didn't know if that was a, I didn't know what that would. I just said, man, if this is a hard ball moment where he just wanted, he want his guy to score or something. Like, man, I don't know. I didn't know how to take it. I still did this day, you can't do that about the past, but it's just, You know how I've seen it is he wanted Kaepernick to get MVP of the game. And that was the mindset, I think, that he had when he thought about throwing the ball three times.

Because if you do go back and when you look at our run game, they couldn't stop Frank. They couldn't stop Frank. And I don't know if you remember this, but after the game, Jim Harbaugh comes in and go, that's on me. Oh, I see. I didn't see that. That's on me. I messed that. that's on me because he you know he realized we probably should have ran that ball

at that moment and just all the hardball you've seen since then yeah everything's run game yeah like the passing is like oh you want that as well yeah we had it's right the entree tonight is running and you know it's just because i if anything frank probably would have scored that touchdown frank was going to be the MVP of the game and he's definitely and he rightfully should It reminds me of the 85, 85 barriers when they didn't get the ball to Walter Payton. Yeah. I was like, man. It felt just, it felt like that kind of moment.

And then a year later or two years later, we see what it happened in Seattle. And I was like, I said, man, which makes me want to. I'm like, man, it's something, what the hell going on, man? Right. Man, I wish we'd keep you longer. I know you got, you probably got to bug you out of here. What way to do but like question Oh but like question

P Will you know how Everybody would do anything for an ice cold Bud Light What is something that Patrick Willis would do anything for Wait So Bud Light Yeah but Bud Light People do anything for a Bud Light

They would What is something that you would do anything for Can't say family Not a Bud Light But what is your Bud Light in this scenario What would you do anything for. It can be ambition.

A boat. A boat. An accolade. Yeah. Yeah. Having Frank Gore run the ball. You know what? Maybe not speak up in that team meeting.

You know what? Yeah. Hey, I would say this. Personally, it would have been nice to, you know, have a defensive player of the year. Just to be a say, like, I was a defensive player of the year. but nothing still sounds better other than the Hall of Fame induction. Nothing sounds better than hearing like Super Bowl champion and Hall of Fame like such and such. And so I would probably say, man, to be able to get that Super Bowl, that one.

That's only one I went to. I can't sit and say, oh, you know, it would have been nice to go to that one. But I would probably say the one we played in to get that Super Bowl would have been, yeah, that would be my butt light. Is there a year that you felt you got snubbed as defensive player of the year? No, I want to say that. I could have looking back on it now and understanding, like, how much goes into it. But I feel like I, maybe my, either my third year or maybe fifth year in there somewhere, like, I was, they had talked about it. Like, it was, like, being discussed.

But then when they came to the honors or whatnot, I don't know if I was even considered up there. The finalist? Yeah, the finalists or had they didn't even or I wouldn't even But I know they were having conversations about it or not But I just feel like

That would have been Something good to do Sorry I feel like there'd have been Something good to To have Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah

I mean, it's all Personal and stuff though man So I love it Bro, we appreciate you man No, thank you guys Coming on You are a legend dude

The story's incredible This is an awesome pod Appreciate your living in spirit Yeah Appreciate you coming too Delaney. Of course. I'll tell you what. Having Delaney here. You set it on fire. Always.

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