Bussin' With The Boys - Ran Carthon Talks Firing Mike Vrabel, Cutting Taylor Lewan + The Boys Go On Dale Jr. Download

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

Recorded: May 16th 2024 | On this week’s episode the guys recap their trip to Charlotte and hanging out Dale Jr.. Taylor also calls Will out on officially becoming a grumpy old man. Following the intro, the guys are joined by GM of the Tennessee Titans, Ran Carthon. It’s been a long time coming for getting Ran on the bus and the boys let him hear it. The first thing the guys get into is Ran cutting Taylor and how that whole process went. Which then leads into Ran talking about what it’s like cutting guys and if there have been any sketchy situations that have come from it. The guys then get into what the draft war room is like along with Ran’s thought process during this year’s draft. Ran pulls back the curtain a little bit to show you guys what it’s like being a GM and their thought process during the draft, hiring a new coach and making roster moves. Titan fans should be excited cause it looks like they are in good hands with Ran And Coach Callahan at the helm. Enjoy fellas. TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 1:14 ERNTRO 4:05 Dale Jr. Download X The Boys 11:20 Will Is Becoming The Grumpy Guy 20:25 Tipping Is Getting Out Of Hand 24:13 Antonio Brown Is Bankrupt 32:32 Titans Talk 37:40 Shoutout OTW 49:16 RAN CARTHON INTERVIEW STARTS 50:51 What It Was Like Cutting Taylor 54:29 What It's Like Cutting Players 1:08:46 The Front Office Side Of Football 1:18:07 What The War Room Is Like On Draft Day 1:38:56 Developing Into A GM 1:40:15 Firing Mike Vrabel 1:42:26 Finding A New Head Coach 1:49:57 Signing New Guys To The Titans 1:56:20 Tier Talk 2:01:08 Best Thing He Has Learned Being In The Front Office 2:04:18 Playing For His Dad In The NFL 2:08:16 Twisted QOTW 2:09:11 Pain Train Video 2:11:50 Can Will Get A Workout?For more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Gonna tell us what to do. Just drinking with the fella. Bussing with the boys. Bro. There you go. Rolling? We need this TV on. No.

No. You're right. Hey. Trying to lock in? I got two. I got two. already, brother. Two Lucy's already in. Espresso or a mango?

Espresso. I'm not, I'm not as big on the mango as I am the espresso. I love the espresso. The best one. I had the espresso till about noon. I'd switch it out and find my flavor. Yeah. Welcome to Bustin with the boys. We were having technical difficulties with our small TV. That's all right. Hey, people are, uh, people were fired up. People are so happy that the intro's back. How do you feel? Oh, you know me. Bring the old new intro back.

I did see your comment on YouTube. Brother, the people have spoken, it is what it is. And I did say in the intro yesterday, it's kind of a, it's a slippery slope. You mean last week? You said in the intro last week? What I say? Yesterday. Sorry, the intro, I've had a tough day of my days and weeks lately.

I walked into shop yesterday and said, how was your weekend, boys? And it was Wednesday. It's actually Thursday. It's actually, no, yesterday was one, God damn it. It was Wednesday. Yeah. But on the intro last week, I was saying, basically like we've listened to you, we hear it,

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Like, I've even said that I like the, the one that we were trying to go for where you have kind of the cliffhanger because you watch like the Shannon Sharps and I get influenced by some of these other pods and look, you don't, you know, you don't know until you try shit.

Yeah, it's a learning process. And as you know, we just got outvoted upstairs. But look, democracy. Democracy. If the people have spoken, the boys are speaking, it's like, hey, set your ego aside and just roll with the fellas. Right.

50 stars, 13 bars, brother, these colors don't run. We live with democracy. Yeah, yeah. If we would have reacted to the chat immediately, they would have the old intro back like literally the week after. Right.

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YouTube's trying to. Because it says, what are the thing I got messed up on? It says Chevy truck grit. But then I think I didn't read the first. part right so my brain was like grit's not supposed to be there people are going to think their internet's slow when you do that little pause right there I got to sit and wait for this thing to load god I thought we fixed the Wi-Fi last week unplug in the router just because of me yeah uh we went on dale junior last week everybody who's uh who's a fan of dale and hard

junior which I think that is everybody in the world every single human being to everyone the boys went on the Dale junior download and we had a two and a half hour podcast they said that was the longest one in the last two years yeah that was a and it was such a good time too because I mean, we've been on other people's podcast before, and it's like you did two bears. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The day before that. It's a pretty strict hour.

Yeah, and a long, you're kind of sitting there, but everyone's kind of bouncing off each other the whole time. Dale really took the time to get to know the boys. Yeah. Find the level of nostalgia when we played against each other in 2000, was it 19? Yeah. 2018, 2019.

Playing against each other, the start of the podcast. Dale, giving you your flowers on Twitter, calling me the common man. Like, it was overall. It was a great experience. What's really cool to me is like your guys' relationship, the way you guys talked about that. Because you guys were obviously with the Redskins, the team formerly known as the Redskins, and he's a fan of that team. Yeah.

And then you guys just get together. You're doing the dog, the dog thing on Snapchat. Yeah. You're just having a good time with Dale. And I was just, it was just kind of cool to see the two bros bro out. Dude. Because I was telling you afterwards, like, it is insane to me. Because, like, we grew up, it's like, oh, you know, our dreams of, like, playing professional football.

And then like growing up in Bonnare, you got it's WW and NASCAR fans. I wasn't the biggest NASCAR fan. But you don't need to be a fan of NASCAR to know who Dale Earnhardt Jr. is. And yeah, how that all came about, I'm still just thinking like, I mean, he's the most humble cat, the humble celebrity maybe that we've ever met. There's so many, there's only a few people out there that you meet that are famous that don't know that they're famous. And he is absolutely one of them. Like, Seek-on's one. Pat Mahomes is one.

but then Dale is like V1. What a top three right there's like, he just thinks he's a regular guy. He's just a regular fucking guy out there. When I was a kid, we used to go to the PIR all the time,

the Phoenix International Raceway with my grandfather, RIP, boy passed away about a week ago. And should we do? Let's have a moment of silence. For Grandpa motorcycle? Yeah, for your grandpa. All right.

Ponsch put that on. You don't disturb. Oh, that was your phone. Yes, my phone. Shout out Grandpa motorcycle. He would all. always take us there and he was a big Ford guy and he would always talk about the Ford racers and stuff like that but even Dale being in a Chevy like you just always tip the cap to him

and he would be like that's that guy's the man yeah tell me about his dad and all these different things it was just like cool being there as a kid and growing up and being like you know Dale we're just hanging out with Dale yeah what was that what was the car that they had sitting in front of the podcast his dad's car that his dad actually racing that was the real one right it was a real one yeah he did 27 races in it won eight of them that is he incredible. And it's wild too. One of the guys was telling us that

Dale doesn't have a lot of his dad's memorabilia. And so he actually found that at the Barrett Jackson and was able to outbid whoever it was to go get it. That's crazy. That he does basically have to fight to get the memorabilia.

Which is why? Why does he have all the, get all the memorabilia? I don't know. We put it in the show, but they kind of explained it to us a little bit. Yeah, I mean, if you're in that family, well, Dale's like the air.

So you would just assume that that his son. Yeah. should get whatever he wants. Right. And just like following his dad's footsteps and all that. And even when he was on the bus before talking about like how his dad was just a guy like you respected and also feared.

Like he did something. He did something in the house one day and he ran and like hid behind like hey until like the nighttime. Yeah. Over like that. Yeah. Like the ditch across the street or some shit. Yes.

And laid there until he thought it was safe to go back in. Yeah. Layed down on the ground until nightfall. I meant to bring that up when we were chopping it up afterwards and talking kind of dad's stuff where the graduations that you guys had with your daughters and then he was almost like us we're talking about having girls and you're like oh i'm going to have a third one like the way periods are synced up or balls are synced up so you're going to have a girl because i'm having one and he's like i don't know he doesn't necessarily want a son because he felt like he would be way too

hard on him and i meant to bring up that like hey man what you think you're going to scare him so bad you're going to he's going to take off running out of the house and go hiding a ditch across the street. I just don't see Dale being a, like a hardcore dad, like an over the top. I don't, I don't see that either. Strict dad. He's just kind of the man. Yeah. But you know he's got that killer instinct in him. For sure. No question. You know he, you know what they got the core values. He has the foundation at home. But the way he carries himself, it's like, brother, you'd be a phenomenal boy, dad. He'd be a great dad. He'd be a great boy, dad. Hey, but how about the culture around it when we pulled up? People are waiting outside. Dude, people, Buckees, Dale and Hart's shot.

That's what they were all about. We pulled up and there were some good old boys just kind of hanging out. One guy called us Brother Man what seven times in four sentences? One felt so comfortable. He said, Hey, you got an extra hat that you can give me? That's the same brother man guy. Yeah, and I just went to the truck. I was like, I think I have one in there.

Will just starts walking away. JP, you and are just hanging out. Will just walks away and comes back. But literally there was like, what, a dozen people just waiting outside? More than that, bro. Just to meet Dale, just to shake his hand and say, hey, you're the man. Every day he does the podcast. They're out there.

Every Tuesday there are people. out there. They said it was a little bit bigger because it was race week and everything, but we pulled up. We were pulling up to do our podcast. He's already in the middle of doing another one. So we have to wait for that one to get done. And our two and a half hours goes in our podcast. We do the tour and everything else. He still, he hasn't like walked out there yet, but people got there so early. There's probably like 30 to 40 people just sitting outside of J.R. Junior Motorsports. Dude, there was a little girl from London. There was a family. This is a seven-year-old from Britain. Just waiting.

Hey, it was nuts, bro. Oh, Dad, just go see him. Yeah. Let's go see Dale. Oh my God. This is wild, man. And they're waiting out there for hours, bro, basically tailgating just for him to come outside after he does podcasting to sign autographs. Yeah, he's a man, dude. Which Taylor and I were texting as we are.

It seems like we're hiring a couple new people. We might need to throw Dale an offer to either be like the dad, the uncle or the granddad of the pod. Just a true ambassador of Bustin with the boys. He's Uncle Dale. Well, someone we can just go to. Yeah. Like, you know, if we need to let something off.

off our chest. We have Dale. Call in. Right. Have him call in. Like, Hey, Unk, we got some questions.

We need your advice. We need your mentorship. Dude, it feels like Dale doesn't, I don't say this in like a disrespectful way. I mean it in like a really cool way. It seems like he just doesn't care about much other than like his family and like cars. And people are just like, hey, you should open up a restaurant. He has a restaurant in the airport.

Hey, you should do it. All right. Yeah, I'll do it. I'll do it. And he just like goes and does it. I did think it was pretty funny that we're going to, I didn't know it at the time. but as we're walking to basically another terminal to go eat at his restaurant. I'm thinking we're really committed to supporting Dale one of his many ventures that he's doing.

Literally the farthest restaurant away from our C gate. We're in the E Concourse trying to figure out. Charlotte Airport, by the way, mass chaos. One of the most confusing airports I've ever been in my entire. I got lost three times because I flew in from Nashville. Y'all flew him from Austin. Yeah. And it was a bit of a deal.

Just trying to find the rental car area. People are just sprinting around everywhere. It was pretty chaotic. Everyone's in a hurry. That flight home, boys, let me tell you something. Those of you listen who have listened to this podcast for the last five years. Grumpy dad segment. Will Compton has officially become the grumpy guy of the group.

Dude, he is standing in the middle of the walkway. While me and JP are kind of tucked back so there's like lanes, some lady literally hit, was like pushing somebody in a wheelchair, hits Will and as she's connecting with Will's shoulder, go, excuse me, and bumps him. And we had to deplane. Will's like, just put the fucker down the ground. Like essentially asking for that.

Time out. Time out. Time out. Time out. Grumpy. Grumpy. But that situation you just explained, I'm not in the middle. I'm standing there talking with you guys.

You're in the right lane. You're right. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. I'm right center. But like, say, hey, on your left, on your left, like, to what you were saying? And I didn't react or say anything. I just kind of turned and I'm just thinking, what the fuck just happened?

No, hey, you looked. You play middle linebacker. I imagine that's the look you gave a quarterback or a running back when they were walking away from us. Locked in. We have like an axe point. Because that show was crazy. They hit me and then say, excuse me. There is, there's an epidemic going around in airports where people are getting too comfortable.

Like you, it's not your home. You need to go. You need to understand this is America. You stay on the right side of the lane when you're walking one way. You let people get around. If someone's hurrying, you give them the right away because obviously they're in a bigger rush than you. But people are getting a little too comfortable with the bump. with the hanging out.

People with, hey, hey, listen, I know this is a slippery slope. So we can just, I know there's not going to be a lot of reaction or comment even afterwards. But a lot of comfort with taking advantage of getting pushed around the airport. Getting pushed around. Like people in scooters, people in wheelchairs. And look, people getting pushed around like a little bit pushed. Yeah, like there are some people that you know in your mind. It's like, hey, fucking walk to your goddamn gay bro.

I see my postmars right now. I can see those motherfuckers right now. And if you are some. that is need service extra service like I'm assuming you're getting to the airport way earlier than everybody else to where you shouldn't be in a hurry like that just getting pushed around by somebody pissed off doing their job and they're mad doing the service job it's like if you're in that kind of industry you should kind of have a little bit of a enthusiasm about you you know what I mean because you're you're like wanting to help people right yes so the person that's

like shoving this that like shoved by me it was like oh excuse me it's just kind of like yeah there's a lot a flare that happened in that particular moment, but I didn't say anything. Yeah. But I was pissed that we, we get on the plane. Number one, we're already delayed, what, 40 minutes? Yeah, something like that. Delayed 40 minutes. Then we get on the plane and sit down and we're chilling for a minute before somebody comes up. A little, we're sitting there for an hour. Yeah. And then somebody comes on, is like, oh, they got to check the break. They're checking the brakes. Yeah. And something's kind of going on with the brakes. It should be quick. Like, we're not, I'm making the decision to not be to not deboard because if we do that,

then we'd have to change the whole break and I don't think we have to do that. So then we're chilling there for another little minute. Yeah. And then it's next thing I know, we're debawarding the plane. And here's where grumpy will comes in. Bro, but can I just say, like,

when I got out the plane, Will, Will's like facing the wall. He's like on the phone, so I'm not kind of doing something. I'm walking around, grab it a water or whatever. Will, turn, if Will gets out the phone,

you turn around and you go, bro, what the fuck are we doing? loud yeah yeah what are we doing like you're you're essentially you're a karen right now you're you're starting this small little piece of being a care of my brother word they're just trying to keep us safe like it is what it is like we can't do nothing about he goes put the fucking plane

down who cares get me back to nashville he said bro safety they're checking the break i'm like hey fucking kill us but like let us go down die young die hero and then will your whole entire thing your whole thing about wanting to get home so early is because you've got something for rue that i was gonna say that was truly it. You got that and you're like,

I want to make sure I give this to Rue before she goes to sleep, which is fine. But we go sit down and we're hanging out. JP, you take the hilarious, the fat, bald picture of us. We're chilling.

Some guy comes up, talk to us. We get up to go to the gate because we realize, hey, we're bored and we might miss the flight now. We might be missing the flight now. And Will walks away without the bag. Walks with the back.

And J.P.'s like, look at this, ma'am. They points at the bag and go, yeah, he goes, and then you look back at. 10 seconds later, you look back at JP, JP goes,

I'll meet you guys. I say to Will while we're walking without you, JP, I go, and what do you think he's doing over there? Knowing you're just getting the back. He goes, oh, he's probably got to pack some stuff up or whatever. I was like, he's wired. I was getting my charger. I go, hey, I hope he didn't forget anything.

And Will just keeps walking. Where did the get? He goes, oh, fuck. I go, hey, JP's grabbing him in, man. Handle yourself. And then he shit the bag. And then he, uh, your wallet at the hotel. Well, wallet at the hotel.

And Will almost took the rental car keys home with him. Yeah. Unfortunately, the rental car guy, he watches bussing. So he comes running and you used here in the distance. Will. He's like, hey, you got the keys on you? And I'm just thinking. He said, no, they're on the dash.

I don't think they are. I'm often in his hell when he said that too. I was like, you know what? Hang on. I unzip my bag and just see him sitting on top there. But yeah, you know. Hey, what is it about the, in every city we go to, the rental core employees know our pod.

Because that's no matter, brother. They're about it. No, but it's literally every rental car employee in any city. We come to like, dude, love the show, blah, blah, blah. Even when you guys aren't even with us. Is there like some secret union of rental car workers? And they're like, day one, they're like, you got to start watching buss with the boys. Yeah.

Yeah, dude, when we flew into Charlotte, we went to go to the rental car and some guy, slick back hair, nice cat. You could see a tin in his back pocket. And I knew exactly what it was. I go, hey, is that this brand in your back pocket goes, yes. The brand we do not say. The Baltimore brand. We essentially are like, you need to do Lucy ball. We give him two cans.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, which I think you're not allowed to do. But we did. We checked his ID and everything. We checked his ID. We checked his ID. He's over 18. He's overtained.

One thing about airports. I do want to say. The grumpiness was fully due to we were supposed to land in Nashville at 430. JP and I was on South Congress Street in Austin, Texas, shopping at, was it love something? I don't know. I got rid of his dress. By the way. way too expensive of a dress that I didn't even realize until I was checking out.

And yeah, I wanted, I knew daddad was coming home. I wanted to give her the dress. I wanted to see her face. And then obviously you got bedtime and everything else that, you know, that's like a lucky thing that I didn't necessarily have to do that I would have had to do that night. But I did want to give her the dress. And I knew she would be stoked. So when we're getting delayed beyond the point of like,

I'm just going to have to wait to give it to tomorrow. That's where the grumpiness was truly festering. And the minute we got beyond like 650, 645, now we're taking off at 7.30. It's like, oh, it's already, we're already beyond it. Can I tell you something? Go ahead. Obviously, that's why you're grumpy. You didn't have to explain any of that.

We just told that entire story. I know, but I didn't want that to go missing due to all the grumpy stories that we were saying in between. But you have gotten grumpy. As you got older, you become a grumpy boy. You're a grumpier guy now. When do I get grumpy? Right now. When you're forced to go outside.

No, no, bro. Yes, Will is an indoor cat now. No. He just wants to sit at home and watch his show. When else was that grumpy on that trip? You're like the dad from Wolf of Wall Street. That answers with the British accent. When he's watching his show and he gets all mad and he grabs his phone, hello.

Oh, yeah, how are you doing? That's you. What are we doing out here? When else was I grumpy on the trip, though? When we're walking, uh, how enough we were in Austin or Nashville or Charlotte, it but we're walking across the crosswalk and the guy was letting traffic come through and we're staying there for a cool 10 seconds and will just goes this guy not see us he's really turning into that he's really turning into that that is tough though I will say the whole there is and I know

we're going to just take a step further with the whole like getting pushed in a car thing I was checking a bag this past Friday to get on a flight and I see a heavier set gentleman standing up he's a tall guy. He stands up. He walks to the counter. He checks his bag, lifts it up himself. And they start talking for a while. And I'm kind of just waiting in line waiting to put my bag up. And all of a sudden, a wheelchair comes out of nowhere. And he sits down, like not struggling to sit down. It sits down the chair and they wheel them off. I'm telling you, bro. The pre-boarding, the pre-boarding of airports is getting out of hand. Yeah. Especially Southwest. Because Southwest, everyone's got their seat and all the other airlines.

But when we do pre-board, it's like 30 people. Get on the plane. 30. And then they got to sit in the front. And so they take all the front seats All the front seats Because if you're just doing carry on That front row is nice Because you're like an hour flight You don't have a checked bag You're just yeah

You're in and out bro But these dudes It is like 30 people in pre-board That are just fucking What do we fucking do? And you pop up you're like A3 And you get on there

You're the 20th person on the plane Yeah Yeah One other thing about airports Then these boys are on me About tipping And nothing even happening Tipping wise

Hey nobody brought that up No I was actually saying I agree with your tipping strategy. Okay. Because there was... That was part of the grumpiness that you're like, Will also with tipping. I'm thinking, man, I don't even think it's that big of a...

I used to be a big tipper and I've gotten to, like, I'm a standard 20% guy, unless somebody goes above and beyond my head of 25. But Will literally has a... You have an evaluation process. Yeah. And it's not like that strict. I'm just thinking if you're doing bad at your job of service, you are going to get hit with that.

You got to affect their pockets, bro. We can have a grumpy podcast today because you bring up tipping it. And it's getting fucking out of hand, too. When they spin that, like that. little iPad on you and hits on that little that little uh lazy susan rip around getting comfortable and it says fucking 20 25 30 it is insane that is like the lowest tip you can do is 20% you go get thank you covid that's when that shit started the tipping is getting nuts yeah absolutely it's getting out of hand start like places like Starbucks and these like you know I'm just calling the mainstream spots like

the big dog spots that places absolutely everywhere Starbucks being one McDonald's like they're flipping it around and you're seeing tips on there now yeah especially if you go i get don't disrespect mcdonalds don't disrespect mcdonnells yeah i that that was just one that came to my head i never like to disrespect macdonald's but yeah like the starbucks and stuff i'm sure macdonald's got a cult behind them man there is a war of just soldiers of the two arches that are ready to go at any point yeah yeah i your boy i used to love mcdonalds but when i get going to a coffee shop And I say I'll take an ice black coffee.

And before I even am done paying the bill, it's sitting there because all they did was put ice and coffee in a cup. And it flips around to me and the lowest thing I can do is 20%. Come on, man. What I have not added to my bag, which I do need to, is, again, you want to do it in as less steps as possible because we're all lazy human beings. But we need to hit custom and put it in a custom tip. no what we need is a debit card that looks like a reverse uno card and handed to him there's your solution oh pay me that is funny man reverse it's out of nowhere a reverse uno card welcome to bust with the boys you 22 minutes of bitching that's what we did here

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Shout out, no free shout out. I'm down. Oh, wait, no, no, no, no. Not that one, because that's a, that's a sponsored segment. We don't want to hit people. We don't want to have a sponsor sponsor on them. We love everybody that I was watching because we get to have all these sponsorships. Right, right.

A.B. Bankrupt. You saw that? Just another stat, man. 30 for 30. Yeah, what, he's amassed like $88 million in his career. And apparently there's a claim out there that he has less than 50,000. in total assets.

Now that could be Fugazi, Fugazi, who knows, but apparently he has went bankrupt. Yeah, but there was a video that came out a few years ago of him that's like all White House and he's like this, $60 million, paid in full. Paid for. But he's also got that reputation of essentially not paying anybody

that has worked for him because he's gotten sued by like a few different people, I believe. And AB, if you're listening to this clip or watching the podcast, you're more welcome to come on the bus. Yeah, no question. We'll have you on the bus.

Yes. C-T-E-S-B-N. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. That is an active account that's ran apparently by somebody else. I saw Billy football challenging him to a Rough and Rowdy. It's like, hey, if you are bankrupt, if you don't have any money, you can make some good cash at Rough and Rowdy. I will fight you.

I'll box you. Jose Canseco made a cool $3 million. Think about it. Can I say something? Yeah. A.B. Bodybags, Batman. If there's a boxing match. I mean, yeah, you'd assume so.

I love the strategy here of Billy football. Yes. You know what I mean? Like he's grinding, he's trying to find his way. He's always trying to find his, you know, pieces of content that he can make and the man has no fear calling anybody out

to get in the boxing ring. Yeah. Which you got to respect. Got to respect that. Yeah. By the way, assets, you look at that photo, scroll up a little bit, Jackie. Good one for a reference piece

when we're on the YouTube and you can look at it right now as much as putting it in there. That's a lot of assets just on his body. Yeah. It's a couple hundred thousand at least. Yeah. And who knows what they're paid for?

It says he has $3 million to eight different creditors, and then one includes a $1.2 million lawsuit against a truck driver that, I guess A.B failed to appear in court. So 1.2 million in some court dispute, and then the remaining are just accreditors. So he's been charging that credit card. I hate to see it. Yeah, it's tough.

More now than ever. Madge of A beat is what that brought to court. Oona reverse, everyone's like, damn. Case is closed. I'm just trying to make Cracker the Day for him. You could easily make that. Hopefully. He's got Cracker the Day?

Yes. Every now and then you see whoever posts on his account, they make Cracker the Day. You didn't see that? No, I ain't seen that. We got to get you on the Internet. Hey, I'm just thinking about Dale's comment. Oh, no. And it was one of those things are.

It didn't mean to be a shot, but obviously the world we live in, that's an obvious shot. Yeah. And I'm just like, yeah. But you do crush social media, brother. I know we're sitting there and he's like giving me flowers and I'm sitting there, you know, accepting the compliments, but just in my brain, I'm thinking J.P's getting here, this. Taylor's sitting here, hearing this. And then he's like, and then he says the Taylor comment, it just all, it like all comes and you look

over at JP and he starts like just losing it on the couch. He's laying on the couch laughing. Like, you know what that funny JPs. Laying down, kicking his legs up and down like a child. Too excited. Cocker the day? Yeah. I don't know if he does it every day.

Yeah, he did Luke yesterday. Did he? We're scrolling through AB's timeline right now. Just saw Diddy's apology? Well, he has an apology out there? Well, yeah, I mean... I thought he just dipped to Spain or something. It's over for that, man.

It is over. It's over for that. He couldn't legally apologize. All of it. He couldn't legally mention Cassie's name in the apology. That's how bad it is. Legally, he can't even say her own name. That's his ex-wife?

Yeah. Bro, did you see the video in the hotel room on the hotel elevator area? Yeah. I mean, he re-rised the shit out of that woman. Yeah, bro. Like, you never want to throw this term around loosely and lightly, but I hope he gets raped in prison. Like, you just, those are the ones that you know at every cafeteria, like everybody who's this just enrages, which is the majority of people. Like, that is what is being said between every friend.

group. It's like you want him to have the absolute worst, most miserable time. No one's saying that on camera, but everyone's saying that off camera. You're just saying it on camera. Correct. You're just saying what everybody else is thinking. Correct. Remember the movie Get Him to the Greek? Where he's literally sitting at Jonah Hill being like, I'm mind fucking you right now. I know. I hope you're wearing a condom.

Yeah. I didn't even think about getting to the Greek. That sucks. Isn't that crazy? That movie is so good too. And he's a good character in that movie. Yeah, I don't know if you could say he's a good character. He's a pretty bad human being. He's a bad human being. I don't know, bro.

I don't think you can... No. You think he's a great actor. He's talented. Just start like, whoa, whoa, good actor. He's got some bad shit going on. He was good in that movie. Oh.

And I'll say that. I don't know. He was good in that movie, okay? I'm not defending, did he? You're supporting, did he? No, I'm not. What did you just say? He's good in that movie.

So you're supporting him. You think he's going to go and get another movie now? Because I just said that? Someone's like, oh, fuck. You know what, Taylor was right? He was good in that movie. Let's cast him for that role, even though he did all this other shit. I think if you end up in a movie one day, our antenna has to go up now.

Yes. Get that antenna up, brother. It's coming. It's coming. What circles have you been talking to? Oh. Listen, we're not going on this story. I'm going to tell you guys this.

It's starting to get super uncomfortable. Let me get out of here. Yeah. I'm with Will. Father's Day merch is out. We do have some. What a pivot, dude. The flop.

The floppy girl dad, dad hats. Those are in stock now. Those are in the store. Look, our Father's Day merch absolutely goes so fucking hard. It does. It really does. And let me know what kind of hat guy you are. Because the floppy hats, I know people are going to buy the hats.

They like the floppy hats. It doesn't fit my head the right way. Yeah. I don't like those hats. But the deeper sitting hats like the hat you're wearing right now or wear those bad boys all day. It's kind of like a line in the sand. Not a lot of people are diverse enough to handle both hats. What hat guy are you?

When you say floppy hat, you mean like the actual like dad hats? The actual dad hats. You see how Will's got that like the harder part at the front where it kind of stands up on his own? And then there's like the more shallow hat that kind of you hold it up and kind of good. It in dends itself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not a dad hat guy, I guess. I'm a bust with boys dead hat guy when they're a little stronger up top. They're more erect. You know what else we have out with the recent episode with Coach Callahan and our episode that's coming out is our beautiful run left hats? That is true. The return. J.C. Latham. We're running left this year?

We're running left this year, brother. I mean, you got J.C. Latham, you got Peter Skoronski, two young cats in their early 20s holding on that left side for probably the next 10 to 15 years. Do you see that photo of Skronski that came out like two days ago? No. He's added like 10 pounds of muscle and cuts him and he looks like a beast. Show me. I got to find it.

So give me a second. Dude. Don't bring it on the screen because that type of shit is where I get excited. Please don't put on the screen. Don't put on the screen. Will will get hard. Yeah, the blood starts flowing below. the belt when a football guy is just like all he puts on 10 pounds of muscle he's cutting some fat

yeah they start to the top starts to get a little heavier you start to get that the v yeah god hey how those pants right now a little tighter yeah thankfully they're cutting off the blood full a little bit to my dude scronsky though had a decent had a decent rookie year missed a couple of games because of appendicitis or some shit like that like war daddy type shit he missed games for kids a stun kids instead i think he's gonna do really well love the fact that he's rocking the sevens love the fact that he dm me and asked if he could wear the sevens as if like he's a pro i had any say he's a pro at all yeah it's that's respect that's a sign of respect uh and then lay um laythum literally has trench king tattooed on his body i mean that is not a tattoo i would get but shit i fuck with that

mentality j p who is the NBA guy rocking our dad hat mike conley saw him rocking the dad at Niles Paul, former teammate of mine, played in the league quite a while. He just had a girl. He was repping the girl with that hat. You just, you love to see. You love to see it. I pull up that clip with Ron Davenport real quick. J.C. Latham, if you're watching this video, I'm going to put you on game real quick, brother.

What clip? The clip that's right there. Oh, right here. Yeah. Go back to the beginning. J.C., listen up, brother. I'm going to do one thing. We in the film room right now?

We're in the film room right now. If you're running an outside zone, which I'm assuming that's what it looks like, You're stepping with your inside foot, though. I wouldn't do that. You want to step outside foot, and then you're throwing both of your hands on the outside shoulder. You do that. You're going to be able to turn the guy's shoulder and allow the guard to overtake that, making a whole much faster to get up to the linebacker.

It's going to help your angles a whole lot more getting up. That third step you take is going to be the angle step you take to get to the linebacker at the pace you want. But if you turn the shoulders, you're making the read for the back, and it's going to put the linebacker at a really bad pitch where he can't dip and rip you. But if you're not running outside zone there, I can go fuck myself. just letting you know, you change those couple of things right there. We might have two, two thousand yards this year.

Two, two thousand yards. Oh, yeah. That one little technique. But dude, I'm fired up. Show the video of a lady, uh, not, uh, Skoransky going down. I also, I made a mistake. It was not Skoransky. I saw, oh, it was our boy Dylan.

Radins. Yes. Pull up radens, dude. I'm trying to find this photo. Let's get Dillie a little bit of love on, on the show. North Dakota State University guy comes in. humble cat married to the love of his life wonderful woman by the way absolutely a wonderful woman um came had an acel in college he gets an opportunity to start once i go down with a knee

playing the chargers i'm at that game and the boy has a little buckle gets an acl he's had some bad luck in the lead but he has the want he has the drive he's a smart cat he loves bill callahan like this dude this guy needs an op i hope he finds his way on the starting five i know he's playing a little guard for the boys now. He's like a strict guard only guy now. Not his favorite thing he wants to do. He obviously wants to be a tackle. But brother, he just got to get heel. Brandon Sheriff. Gehiel, get it how you live. Brandon Sheriff. Go from the outside, move the inside, be one of the most dominant guards in the league. He paid a lot of money. Sheriff, dude. Well, he's a top 10 pick, top of 15 pick. Yeah, he was a first rounder as well. Played left tackle at Iowa. Kids in

absolute study. Classic Iowa offensive lineman, by the way. Classic. Oh, yeah. Just a corn-fed boy who likes to get after and hunts. I only see me some Dylan. Now, Dylan does like to do some CrossFit bullshit, which I'm not a huge fan of, but whatever. I digress. Should we do a shout-out, no free shout-out while he continues to find the Dylan nude? Maybe I just dreamed it.

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Like the three and one is a big, is a big asset in the bag for the guys. Because guys just want to use as little as possible. Yeah. Sometimes I, like, in my own head, if I'm like out of, if I'm out of body wash and I still have shampoo left like I'll just shampoo my entire body I don't know I think you're because I'm thinking it's cleaning my hairs I got hairs on my body like okay if it's good for my head then it's got to be good for my body yeah hair and skin are different I would suggest you look into that a little bit but this is not much that was the old days that was the old way now I'm

my boy's the whole routine your skin does like nice yeah and you can feel when you don't do the skin routine yeah it's a whole different vibe on the cheeks man it is uh this is not my shout no free shout out no free shout out by duke canin shout out nor free shout out black guys because they are so much better than white guys at hygiene. So much better. Don't do that. Don't do what you're doing right now. Stop.

Keep going. You got it. When you get into an NFL locker room or even a college locker room, black guys do such a better job of cleaning their face every day while white guys do the rinse. You get the armpits. You get the nuts. You get your ass crack. You get out of there.

Black guys help the white guys get better hygiene. So shout out to them for that. Shout out did he. There you got to stop. Jack shoutout, no free shoutout is going to be this Dylan Redunds. My shoutout really does go to Dylan. Two years ago, I was in late filming for the beer Olympics. People forget, I did compete.

I should have won, but you guys cheated. But we'll talk about that later. You and Ruse. But my shoutout goes to my partner and him looking like a nice little piece of a unit here. You know, that tattoo sleeves really come along. And he's just looking a little agile, a shifty, a guy who's laterally quick. So I'm excited to see him in that car position Just climbing the mountain

Brother, he's been on the mountain range dude Hang out with horses getting kicked in the back of his arm He looks fantastic Mitch what is your shout-out, no free shout-out of the week That's not my fat shot, no free shout-out by the way I think it kind of hits me But I will, this is my last thing I'm going to say about Diddy This is the last thing I'm going to say about Diddy

Then we're going to put it to us It's the last thing You guys ready? He was good and get him to the Greek Okay, he was Hey, boo that man Oh three One two three

Boom that man Oh He was dirty My man can't even do a chant the right way Go ahead, Mitch Bo that man Boo that man One guy, man

Always one fucking guy Oh, Oh, can't get right Oh, can't get right Even Mitch said boo Yeah That's a straight shot That's a fair shot

That was a gun to the headshot A fair shot Go ahead 6 a.m. All right I mean my shot I know if you shot out this week it goes to when you are at like a bar or something and there's live music and you just get mesmerized by people just like ripping the guitar and they're like I just wish I could do that

and then they go from one instrument to the other and then they just are ripping with the same intensity it's just I think that is just so cool like so if I go to like kid rocks or something I'll literally just stand there with a beer in my hand just watching the guitar guy just going insane. Can't say something? JP, what's yours? Hold on. I do feel that. That's a good shout and every shout out. I feel like there's just, I mean, anything I say nowadays is just kind of

okay, cool, whatever. That's a good shout out of a free shout. That's a quality shout, no free shout out. But I think you forget we're doing a show. And so when there's zero enthusiasm in your voice, it's hard to get behind literally anything you're saying. You literally just sound like somebody died, but you were telling me about somebody ripping an instrument.

we're doing a show right now. Do you want to do it again? Do you shout it again, bro? Hey, last thing I'll say about Diddy, he was good at get him to the Greek. Will did bad at Boothamette. Mitch, you want to do your shout-out, no free shout-out?

Yeah, my shout-on-new-frey shout-out this week. This happened to me a couple weeks ago. I was at a bar, and we were sitting up top, and they were, the live music there, It was just absolutely insane. And I personally just get mesmerized by people who can just rip instruments. And I think it's so cool because I know that I can't do it.

And then when they're just strumming along or just playing the piano or whatever they're playing and just with ease and they just make it look so cool, like I'll just stand there in a bar and just stare at the guitar player. Like I'm just like, I don't know, just giving them like fuck me eyes or something because I think it is so. cool but that is my shout-out no free shout-out better jp jesus you're staring at them with fuck me eyes my shout-out no free shout-out i'm gonna tell you who it doesn't go to it doesn't go to it doesn't go to the people that put their backpacks above the bins on the airplanes because you son of a bitch i think that is the the thing that's holding up the boarding process is people there's no there's no storage so then people have to check their bags at the gate and then i walk down the aisle and look up in these bins and i see people's tiny backpacks taking up space so it just

it really bothers me and it's not i'm not shouting anybody out i'm let you know who i'm not shouting you do a pet peeve yeah you do a pet peeve you want to say who you're talking about what do you do that that that filtered through him like i think he thinks you're talking i'm not talking about i didn't know you did that bro when we got a little bit of place a little bit of it was a little bit little janky backpack he does he throws it up top hold on kid first class is different literally when we got on the flight for the first time before we deplane i had my backpack in my hand the old guy that was talking next to me on speakerphone calling his wife on full volume he goes hey do you want to put that backpack up top of i'm not man i'll put it under and we deplane and

we get back and i was like you know what i will put it up this time so i put it up and then you said that i was like oh he's got to be he i don't know how j p caught me doing that. I basically just told them myself. No, I thought you were talking about me. I wasn't trolling because first class it is different like I mean that's y'all's been but southwest standard boarding it just it pisses me off put it in the seat in front of you. Yeah. What's interesting about the first class thing is sometimes people will like zone six will be coming on and this guy who's in the back of the plane will take a first bin a first class bin and I always think it's sneaky is a good little strategy if it's there power power.

get this way, but, you know, he is beneath me, but no, I don't get mad about that. I just, him trying to get it how he lives. Take the out. Another trick for those of you on airplanes, when they're like, hey, we're oversold, we're going to start tagging people's bags, and they come up and tag your bag. But when you're walking down the little jet lane or whatever, pull that thing off. No one's going to catch you. What happens when you get on the plane, though, and there's no overhead space?

It's not going to happen, bro. I'm telling you. Now, that right there is completely telling you on yourself. Yeah, I do that. If they tag my bag and I know it's going to fit, bro, I'm half a guy there. Like that right, there's part of when JCP's like it slows up the process. No. Because they tag me as I'm walking.

I'm ripping that thing out and put my back pocket. And then I'll walk down the aisle, put my shit up, no problem. That happened spring to her last year. Go ahead, kid. What's your shot of overshadow? My shout-on-no-for-shadow goes to a clean operation. in the theme of airlines and everything else when a flight takes off on time,

the operation is smooth, people get on the plane quick, they put their bags in the right spot, and you're taking off and you're landing, maybe even a little earlier. But to me, that's a small win that I think is becoming a little more uncommon these days

because airlines can't figure their shit out and taking off on time. So my shout-a-nofer shout-out goes to a clean operation at airports. Nice. Thank you. My real shoutout, no for shoutout goes to cicadas. Cicadas.

Cicatas, those little bugs that have now just hatched after like however many years. Why is that? They are slow moving. They don't fly very well. They can't bite. It's a little kids like playground to go outside and to catch those things for hours on end. I will go sit in the yard as if I'm an old man in a rocking chair and watch my kids go catch you cicadas for three to four hours. And they're ripping around.

They love it. they'll come up, they'll show it to me. They're just getting murks left, right, and center because they're being too rough with them. But there's billions of these motherfuckers running around. And I'm pretty sure my house is a beacon for them. That's where they've literally said, this is we're going to set up base camp. They are everywhere. Up the trees, in the trees, in the bushes, on the ground.

I stepped on three of them getting here today. Just walk into my car. Yeah, they are everywhere. Yeah. I love it. So shout out of skates. They're disgusting. They are creepy-looking things.

They're creepy, bro. They can't bite you. I'm more of a catch firefly. lightning bugs yeah fireflies get old wiffle ball bat and do y'all never did that that's a Missouri shit yeah that must be some Missouri shit yeah I mean I was just a young little I was just a young little jit with the wolf ball bat you know what I mean running around in Florida yeah green anyway man uh should we get into the episode of the ryan carthon we absolutely should people are going to love this episode

especially Titans fans. I mean, getting to talk to Rayne about the transition with Mike Vrable because there's obviously a lot of drama surrounding that. His journey, his passion to becoming a GM, I thought was very fascinating where he would pick up magazines.

I'm not going to give all the fun away. But this is an awesome episode. His best cutting stories, like when he had to cut guys, it gets a little dicey at times in the room. Why he's trying to cut guys? Not losing at home. Yeah,

not losing at home. The times he's been cut because he bounced around few teams within, what was it, four years? Yeah. I believe he got four years, four or five years in the league. Yeah. The expectations for this season, how he jails with the staff that has been brought in,

why he likes, why Brian Callahan, he was the first and the last guy that they basically interviewed. And also some tier talk that you guys will enjoy. He also talks about the process of how he became a GM and how he was still playing football in that process. How he, like, got in people's ears. Right. A very cool networking, networking move by him.

And also they talk about how he cuts me And we knew him for a month I knew him for less than a month Yeah And his process of cutting me and all that And it was a cool story to hear from this point of view Because the way Rand explains it is exactly how it happened Yeah

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We finally got. We got. We got raincarthon on. And I did say to J.P.'s camera, it took a little hunting. It took a little texting. Let's not do that. Let's not. Can I tell you from my from my standpoint how it all went down?

So when did you, you got the job? what in January January 23 January 23 January 17th I remember being outside of Rable's office sitting with stretch and you came in and the way the last GM was it was like you gotta be a little tighter around it you came in dab me up hey love the show first thing you said to me I'm thinking we got them yeah oh you had to come on some of oh I love to come on sometime next time I saw you you're releasing me which we all knew was gonna happen

we go into that we go into that story at some point we got to tell us that story. You guys released me and I think like 48 hours later I hit you with the text like hey you want to come on busing with the boys. Nothing. Right. Trying to walk me into an ambush. Yeah.

But finally, it's been a year and it's awesome that you've come on now instead of then because what you have been able to acquire and do in this past off season has been awesome. So it's exciting to see and it's better to have you on now. And the only friction, the only like part that was like, okay, chill out. He came up to us in the facility when y'all going to have me on. I've been waiting on y'all. I know.

You mother-fucker, dude, we've been trying to get. And as we're saying this, I literally said it in a year later, it's been like five months. So I messed that up a little bit. Let's talk about, let's start off. Let's talk about the you cutting him. Yeah, let's go. So the day that, you know, we were doing it, you know, we meet him for Apes's office and we come in and we're just chatting and just talk. Literally having a conversation that kind of goes into.

I got to come closer Pause And so I You know We're just sitting there Having a conversation And I can't even remember What the topic of the conversation was

And then just Him Okay so you're releasing me Yeah Transition No segue No nothing Just

All right So you're releasing me And then I'm like Uh Yeah I mean I think you kind of knew it was coming, you know, and that's how to the conversation with it.

This is when you got back after Mexico, right? Yeah, because I was in Cabo and Vrable. Shout out Braves in this because a lot of guys don't get to choose when they get released. Right. Rape called me. Because we all knew, like the minute I had to get my knee done again, two out of three years, like you're getting canned, brother. You're not going to be making that kind of money and not playing on the field.

So he calls me and he's like, hey, we obviously have to release you. You let us know when the best time for you is. I was like, all right, these dates work. And he's like, can you do it before the combine? I was like, yeah, absolutely. These days now work. So when I went in, I had like, I kind of came in. We all knew.

And Brave and I are sitting there talking about Jen and they're skiing and it's kind of cool. It's like, it's like a nice thing. A last meal before essentially a gun gets put to your head. Yeah. And yeah, you sit down. We haven't really talked at all. The last thing I said. And in my head, I was like, we just got to get this going.

Because I know it's kind of awkward for everybody. You're new. Like you and I hardly know each other. Rable and I've been together for five years. We all understand. what's about to happen here. So it's like... I'll say this.

The tough part for me, obviously coming into this role, you know, this new role and being from afar and, you know, having respect for this team and having respect for certain guys, like,

like, having to release you and like, dang, like I remember this dude coming out of Michigan. I had him rated high, liked him coming out and watching them become a pro bowl player. And even guys like Robert Woods, you know,

I've missed him at every one of my stops. So I was, was at the Rams when we signed him and then leave a month later. So never got to see him on the field. I even have Robert Woods in my GM presentation about players that I've been a part of acquiring the different Pro Bowl caliber players. But I always have him in there as an example of a person that's going to come in and change the culture, you know, of the building.

And then I get here and have to release him, you know. And so I finally met Robert Woods when we played. at Houston last year and just kind of walked up to him like, hey, man, like, a ton of respect for you. I meant everything I told you on the phone when we talked that day, like, have nothing but respect for you. It's just part of the way this thing works. Is it hard?

Like, yeah, I know it's hard, but you come in, it's like he's highly graded. You know who he is. He's had his career. And on that last year, it's like, it's the get back year. Like, finally, it's like you got to put everything on. And then that first play or second play of Buffalo. happens. And in your mind as a GM, are you basically, was it fairly simple at that point? Like, hey, this is going to be a guy we're going to have to release due to money and everything else.

Yeah, the strategy of it is simple. But, you know, and I think you and I share this and being undrafted guys. And I don't know about you, but I've been cut a multitude of ways. Yeah. You know, some good, some inhumane. What's the worst way you've been cut? Uh, I won't say the team is two. one I knew I was getting cut right you had the big cut down coming I think it would be pretty easy to figure it out but you was on one team

you had three years yeah so we're playing a preseason game we're playing in a place where my wife and my daughter are living and so when I come back when I come on the team flight I bring all my stuff home and so I go to the team after the game I barely play I hadn't done get any practice reps. So I say, hey, I know what's coming tomorrow. Can I just stay? Like, we can do the cut right now.

I'll sign whatever you need to sign. I'm healthy. There's nothing wrong with me. It's just more convenient for me to just leave with my wife and my daughter and go home. I live 15 minutes from here. Oh, we don't know what we're doing. And I'm like, come on, man. Like, I was like, because if I go back, I'm only bringing what I have on my body and my wallet. I'm not taking anything back. And Players are in tune with like what you're saying. Oh, yeah, 100%. And so they, oh, man, we don't know. Flyback, first person they call the next one is me.

And I'm like, so I go in the building. I already knew that there was like an 11.05 flight leaving. So I was like, hey, look, can you just book me on the 11.05? Like, no harm, no file. Like, I don't need to meet with anybody. Like, I'm good. I just want to go home. And, well, you know, you need to meet.

No, I don't. Do eat, meet each coach. Yeah, yeah. And I get the reason why you do that, but at that point, I was like. For sure. And then the other one, my wife and my daughter were actually getting ready to move back home to Miami. And we're doing a going away deal at my daughter's school. I'm passing cupcakes out to the kids on a Tuesday and get the call in the middle of passing cupcakes out.

and I look at the phone and I look at her and she's like, no. No. Because we, I mean, we went through it. So I say all that to say, like, when it's time to cut people, like, you try to do it the most tactful and most professional and humane way just because I've been through it. And, you know, you try to be honest. You know, you try to be honest. You try to be up front. And, you know, I've had it to where there have been guys that, you know, I didn't particularly see as NFL players.

So you try to have that conversation. It doesn't always go well, you know, but you try to, because I see it a lot. These guys, you know, you don't know what to tell these guys. So sometimes it's, hey, man, you're going to play a long time in this league. You know, this is just something we got to do. And now this. And now this guy's still training, looking for opportunity three, four years, five years, when if you were honest and said, hey, look, man, like this game is probably not for you at this level.

You know, you got a college degree. You might want to start exploring these things. and, you know, having that conversation, at least get that in their mind. Like, I knew personally, I said, if I got to the point where my number of teams outweighed my years of service is time to do something different.

Yeah. And I got there quick five teams in three years. It's time to go. Five teams in three years. Who's that? Jelly. Why is the answer? Answer.

Put it on. What's up, Bubba? I got you on the bus. What up, Bubba? Jelly Row. What's up, Bob? How can I help you? We're getting after it, brother.

We gotta bank these things, getting ready for June. We need you. I'm prime? You really are having that contract year right now. It's going nuts. I'm so happy for you. I'll call you after this, right? I love you, too.

See you. We'll just talk about him. Jelly's the man, dude. But when you're cutting guys, Guys, do you find it harder to cut rookies or cut vets? It's probably hard to cut vets. Sometimes they see it coming. Sometimes they don't.

So that's the hard part. And vets, you generally have a longer conversation. You know what I mean? Especially, you know, guys like yourself who's astute and you want to know the why. You know, why? Hey, look, I thought I was playing better than, you know, this guy and this guy. So you have to have those conversations. Most of the times with the rookies, the hard part with them is you see the emotion.

You know what I mean? Because you got to think about it. Most of these dudes, this is the first time they've ever been told they weren't good enough. Right. You know, and so you're the first person ever tell them that and you have to have that conversation. I mean, you live through the emotion with them. And so, you know, I'm not that brutal of a human. You see the emotion of another man.

It kind of gets to you a little bit. But then it's, you know, it becomes one of those things. Like I say, if I ever get to the point where it doesn't affect me, you know, to cut somebody's probably time for me to look for something else to do. Yeah. What's been your stickiest situation cutting a player? Or maybe you're fumbling over your words like, oh, shit, this is not going like I thought. No, I've had a situation where you try to have that real conversation with a player.

Like, hey, man, like, you know, it's probably time to transition, you know, and look for something else to do. I don't know what you're interested in. You know, by all means, like, let us help. you, you know, connect you with the player engagement guy. We can help you figure this out. And what are you saying? I'm like, well, I don't think that you're an NFL player, you know what I mean?

And you try to have that conversation. And then, you know, it gets, it gets a little hostile. You kind of feel that heat. And, I mean, I'm not losing at home. You know, like, if you're in my office, one of us is coming out. It's going to always be me. I don't have the win to sit there and box with you. Yeah.

So I'm not doing. that so I have stuff strategically placed if I need to grab and defend myself. That is why. Have you felt like attention there? No, I have like when I was much younger I felt I felt the tension you know before and it's like oh man this could be the day you know and it's never it's never got to that point but then I also have to think about it sometimes it's like you're essentially firing somebody and And so if that person wants to be upset and express it, like, it's probably best to just deal

with it. You know what I mean? And just let that person have the emotion. Because it is their right to be upset, you know what I'm saying? So I just, most of the times you have to sit back and just like, hey man, like I understand. I got you. It's so interesting you say it's like, it's harder to cut vets. And I get that for like the relationship standpoint, but every vet I've been around that's

like above five years, they always kind of see the right. You're in the game long enough to realize, like, hey, when it's about to happen. every single training camp there is always at least one guy one rookie that you can see the ignorance of they've been in high school and in high school it's hey next year we'll get them

next year we'll get them there's never a cut college hey I'm going to grow and develop and next year I'll be a starter that type of thing and they just think I'll get them next year if I'm not a starter this year and then all of a sudden they come in the locker room and they're just bawling their eyes out I feel it's got it for me it just from the outside watching

it seemed like the rookies always just took it the hardest over the vets. Yeah, and that's the, that's the emotion that you have to deal with. And one of the things I've always encouraged, even when I was just a pro scout, when I was a pro scout,

my job was going to get them. You know, so I was the, the Reaper or whatever they call them, the Turk. Yeah, the grim reaper. You know, standing there inside the building. I was in the locker just.

But what I always tried to do was I always tried to do it in, because again, I've been cut every which way. And so if I, especially a vet, I would never follow behind a vet. I would catch the vet one-on-one, hey, look, you need to come up and see coach. You go see coach, and then I just tell them, because now I have to walk you around

through the exit process, and I'm like, hey, look, to help you avoid the questions from your teammates, we're going to go from medical, from medical to equipment, and then I'll be loosely by you without anybody suspecting me around. So I would just blend in. You got to go see medical. while you're meeting with the trainers, I'm over here joking with this guy, talking to this guy, make eye contact with the trainer like, hey, are we good? And then when they leave, go to the equipment room. I kind of loosely follow behind.

So when I was doing it, you would never know that I'm following this dude. You know what I mean? And so when I got a position to have other people do it, I would say, hey, like, give them the respect. Yeah. Don't try to walk behind them with the paper and like, no, you need to go, like, give them respect. Because the last thing you want is for to walk through that. locker room and everybody's like damn you got cut oh there's the grim reaper yeah everybody that's the last head down yeah that's the last thing you want so I always try to do it with respect is that like a

thing you've acquired over time or the first time you knew you're going to have to be the grim reaper you're like I have to be as respectful as possible well the first time I'll never forget the first person I cut um it was the day they're saying we're I have to get this guy he decides to do extra Is he still playing? No. He didn't play after that. And so he's doing extra on the field. It's OTA.

And I'm like waiting. And I'm trying to catch him, you know, catch him one-on-one. So he huddles up with a group of vets and he's walking. I'm on a time limit, right? Because they were like, we need to have him up here by 12.15. It's like 1205. And I'm like, and I'm trying to make eye contact with him as he's walking with the vets. and he's not making eye contact.

You think he knows? Of course he knows. I don't know. But it's like in your mind as a player, like what do you think is going to happen? Like you're going to sneak away the way to. You'll just be on the week one roster. So then I had to like, hey, let me holl at you for a second. And he comes out.

I was like, hey, man, like we need to go up and see coach right now. So we go up, we do the whole thing. I still give him the respect or whatever. But that weekend, I decide, you know, hey man, I'm going to go hang out this weekend. Can't make this up. I get to the bar. I go to the bar. I order a drink.

I look up and he's at the corner of the bar. And I was like, no, I canceled that drink. I was like, I'm good. I need to keep him in view. I don't know if he thinks it's me. Yeah. You know what I mean? No shit.

And I ended up being there for like 20 minutes. So I was like, no, I got to go. Got to get out of you. And I just remember me and him locking eyes. And I was like, yeah. Yeah. Safety's a priority in the situation. I feel like a vet would be harder too because like rookies, you'll cut them or whatever.

They'll probably be more emotional because it is their first time kind of being told no. And not only that, but everyone, every rookie, like everybody wants to be the best. And you have the weight of whatever pressure, expectation you have on yourself because you've identified as a stud player. It's like now you've got to tell your family, what's everybody at home with a thing. Man, I feel like a loser. Like there's a lot of that weight. I feel like with vets, you'll have the longer conversations because sometimes it's probably not easy

because there could be games going on, right? Like, oh, okay, I hadn't been playing or, man, I've been getting more reps than him, or the reason that this didn't work out is because did you ever talk to the coach or this film, that film? I feel like there's a lot of things that you got to kind of it's a lot more conversation that goes into it.

You know, and like I said, it's just never easy with a vet, especially a guy that's just been with that organization. Right. You know what I mean? I think it's a little bit easier conversation for, you know, the quote-unquote journeyman that's bounced around. But for a guy that's been with a club three, four, five, six years, and then you've got to

deliver this message. It's like, whoa, like, this is all I know. This is, and most times you have to explain to them how the process goes because they've never gone through it. You know what I mean? So it's like I said, it's a lot further conversation. That was such a hard, like, I thought I would have to sign something because I remember sitting there being like, all right, we're off to sign you like, oh, no, we just have to

tell you, we're releasing you. Yeah, tell you release you, walk you through the process. process and you know that because that was my only time everything yeah yeah yeah so i can't wait you did that shit to me man that was crazy hey man i needed to hey ranc good wait you know he was the first one first he goes 77 yeah and that's the guy yeah yeah we need money here's how we're gonna free him fairly quickly yeah yeah we're gonna get that guy that was wild to because i thought there has to be like some sort of like signing yeah it's not it's not too formal, you know, if you will,

is, you know, for you, you know, you were still rehabbing. So it was one of those things. Like for a person that's, you know, fully healthy, hey, I'm signing out fully healthy. And then for a player that's rehabbing, it becomes an extended process because now you've got to go get images and all these different things. It becomes a much longer process.

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Man, what got you into going from player to wanting to get in to the other side of it? Getting into the floor above the front of the scouting. You think about a guy who gets cut five times in three years. I feel like that's something you want to stay away from more than five times. It's three years. Oh, yeah. I thought as you said, five and three.

No, I play for five teams in three years. Okay. I got cut. Gotcha. Out there fighting a good fight. Yeah. No, it was something that I always knew I wanted to do. I've always been like a big fan of the draft.

And before I even knew that this was an industry, draft weekend would come. I would go by the magazines. I get a legal pad and I would sit in front of TV in my room and try to, you know, based off of me reading these magazines and watching college football, try to predict who was going to take who. And then, you know, my dad played eight years in the league coach for 19.

And he always wanted to be on the personnel side. But when he was done playing, Parcells forced him into coaching. And so my dad, all the teams my dad was with when I was in college, when he came down for pro days, whether it was him or someone from the staff, he would say, hey, you're going to get up, you're going to meet them, watch film with them at 6 in the morning, whatever it was. You're going to chart their numbers, you know. And so when I was in college,

You know, I'm running the stopwatch, you know, and coach. When you're at Florida, you're also doing this. I'm like going on a pro day. Whenever, whether it was my dad, I remember one time, Tony Sparano got, rest of soul. You know, he came down. I remember one year with Terry Ribiskey, you know, when he came down. Love Terry. And so I'm holding, I'm running clocks, you know, for these guys and being amongst the scouts

as they're talking about the different times and everything and charting all this. And then, you know, they would ask me questions about my teammates. Like, hey, what do you think about this? guy. Like, is he a good teammate? And, you know, how do you think, what do you think about him on the field? And so that started it. And then, like I said, when years of service outweigh, when teams outweigh years of service, it was time to transition. I tried to coach, I coached high school ball down in Miami at North Miami, senior high in 07, knew probably the first two weeks that that wasn't a route for me. Didn't have a patience for it. Didn't have a patience for it.

And I quickly knew I was like, okay, let me try. So then I started taking workouts with teams because I was like, how else am I going to meet the GM? Like I don't have GM's phone numbers. So I knew I didn't want to play anymore, but teams were still called like, hey, want to try you out. You know, and so I would go in and do a tryout just to be able to meet the GM. No shit. Just for the intention. Yeah.

And so when they were. That's a genius move. And so they would say, oh, you know, sorry, you know, not going to sign you. And I'm like, cool, yeah, can I get your card? Because I want to do what you do one day. And that's how I met Les Need. I went and did a rookie minicamp tryout with the Falcons. Didn't get a single rep, the whole mini camp, which was perfect.

Yeah, I was just like, no, I'm good. And so I remember we were walking out of the front of the building. And Les was, you know, hey, thank you for coming. And I shook his hand. I was like, hey, man, like, let me get your card. You know, let me get your card. I was like, I want to do what you do one day. And he was like, I don't have any on me, but just reach out.

And so when I was trying to get back in, I remember that conversation. And my agent that I had at the time, Kevin Connor, he had two players on the Falcons team. So I was like, hey, man, like, call the teams that you have relationships with and let them know. I'm sending cover letters, resumes, like, all this stuff. and he called me. He was like, hey, man, I talked to Les. He said it doesn't have anything, but he wants to bring you in and interview you and talk with you

and interview with Les and Thomas Dimitroff and Lionel and Dave Caldwell. All who I, with the exception of Thomas, I had different connections with them unknowingly, right? And so about two weeks later, man, Les call me and offer me a job. Damn. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, that's fascinating. That is crazy. Yeah, it's like, obviously somebody liked that growing up, magazines, everything else. Like, you've loved football for the longest time. And usually, like, the guys, once you start playing and you understand the business, like, getting cut a few times. Like, once you understand the teeth of it and how cutthroat it can be, it kind of jade you a little bit as a player. Yeah.

You maintain, throughout this whole thing, you're maintaining that love for still wanting to be in the business? Yeah. I mean, for me, I've been blessed to have great mentors. And one of my primary mentors back home in Key West, Bill Spotswood, you know, his, you know, him and his family, they do real estate development amongst other things. And they owned a couple hotels. And I remember him telling me a story when he was younger. You know, he told his father like, hey, one day I want to own my own hotel.

And his family owned a couple hotels. And so his father then put him in the business. And he worked every level of the hotel. from a bellman to run an elevator to then being behind the counter and worked his way up until he became owner, you know, of one of the family hotels. And so that's kind of how I see my journey. You know, I've been on the field. I've been a scout. I've been a director and now I've been a GM. So I've worked my way through an organization. You know what I mean? So I've seen it from every level and it puts me in a position to be able to identify with everybody in the building.

Yeah, man. That's when you're, when you finally get that call and say, hey, you want this job. you take it. Did you have any idea? Not the GM job. Just like the starting out. Okay. Without less. Yeah.

Everybody. Did you have any idea of like how much of the bitch work and all that that stuff you would have to do? Oh yeah. Was there ever a point you're like, is this really what I'm trying to do? Is this worth it? No. So the pay.

And listen, I knew I wasn't coming in making $40 million. Like I knew that that's not what the job is. And you honestly don't get in the personnel to make money. You know, you get in because you love it and you're passionate about it. But I remember getting the job. And I knew that I was going to have to do a lot of the grunt work. And I wanted to because there was a stigma attached to former players that we don't want to do the menial task. And so I wanted to be able to be the guy that's like, oh, no, like, you need me run to the airport.

That's an hour away. Cool. I'll, you know, run to the airport. That's an hour away and sit in Atlanta traffic, you know, for two hours to get there. just to more so knock down that stigma to be able to let other former players have a shot, you know, at getting in. But it's like when they, when the pay is what it was, I tell you guys off air. And it's like you rubbing nickels together every two weeks, like, ooh, you know. It's like, man, it's, I'm like, I could have been doing a bunch of other things making more money than this.

But again, like I said, you don't, you don't get in to make money. You get in for the love of it. I mean, that's a testament to your drive about wanting to do something and being in the seat. you're in. Is the relationship with less need the most important relationship you feel like you've made throughout your journey and climbing to where you are now? No, it's definitely my foundation. 100%. Like I said, everywhere I've been, I've been able to foster relationships. Like my relationship with Les, when he got the GM job at the Rams, he hired me and gave me my first director job. You know, from there, I was able to, you know, work with, you know, Jeff Fisher,

our new de-coordinated, DeNard Wilson. We worked together at the Rams and the Frank Bush's and the Greg Williams and guys like that. And then transitioned to Sean McVey and his staff coming in. And all those guys that we were around, you know, Sean was there. You know, Maddie LaFleur was there. Guys like Aubrey Pleasant. You know, all these guys were around and then go to San Fran. And then, I mean, shit, in what, 2019, our draft room featured, I guess now five GMs and four head coaches.

No shit. And we were all in the same draft room in 2019. And then you develop relationships with guys like Parag Marate, you know, who's run the business side for San Francisco for 20 plus years. He was originally hired by Bill Walsh. And to have a guy like that take you under his wing and start showing you the contract side. And, you know, working with guys like Kwayzi Adolfo Mince is showing you how to incorporate analytics and football. Like it's a bunch of different people who've poured into me from a football.

That's just football. But then you meet people outside of football that pour into you from a business perspective. Because we have to remember, football is football, right? That's what we've done our whole lives. That's what we came up doing. But at the time, Jerry Richardson was the only owner that had played in the NFL. And so a lot of the owners come from the business background. So being able to have, you know, certain mentors to teach you the business side allows you to speak that language, you know,

and, you know, be on the same page with the owner from a business perspective. So it's been a ton of people that have poured into me to help me get here. That's cool, man. That is, that is wild, man. It seems like you're very aware of all the people that have helped you and gotten to the point you're at now, which is so awesome. When it comes to the war room on the first draft night, talk to me about the intensity that goes down in there.

How, like, this draft, we know the Titans want to take a tackle or pull up bangles. and our quarterback got hurt, we're still going to go to the wide receiver type of situation. When you guys are sitting there in Callahan, who was on, he said you guys were happy with J.C. Latham or Joe Alt? Like as it starts ticking and Joe Alt goes out at five, like what's the energy like in that room?

So it's a ton of work that goes into it beforehand. And I will say, and we were talking about this at the office last week, I will say, of every draft room I've been in, this was probably the most accurate board that I've ever been a part of from because we rank them vertically, then we rank them horizontally, right, by position. This was probably the most accurate board I've ever been part. Now, when you say vertically and horizontally, are you talking about best players vertically? Yeah, so we have the positions going horizontally, right, just straight across, split offense, defense.

And so if we got quarterbacks here, you know, we rank them vertically, you know, from one to whatever. And you do that for every position. And then you go across horizontally like, okay, is this quarterback better than this receiver? And then you start adjusting the cards as you go. So it's kind of like this as it goes across, you know, the board. And so we pretty much knew just based on our research, we knew exactly where the first four picks were going to be. and for us the draft started at five at the charges. And then you get to a spot where you're like, okay, we have three guys, you know, over these next three picks that we're good with any one of these three.

We don't have to make any sudden moves to jump up, you know, that it's going to cost us in the future. And so it was a waiting game. We've done enough research to know that the charges were going to tackle. And so you sit there and you're like, okay, which one? And then you start playing the, well, you know, they got to. Rishan Slater at left tackle so I could see J.C. going because he's played right tackle. You know what I mean? But then you're like, well, you know, the charges were at the pro day, at Joe Alts pro day. And you start hearing like they really like him. And so you're like, yeah,

I could see that too. So you start trying to, you know, you do that part. But then you've got to take it a step further because the giants are right below you. And you're like, well, the Giants have, you know, drafted pretty well on the O line and they got some guys. And, but it's like, all right, well, what if they go, what if one of the tackles say whoever they take, whether JC or Joe, but what if the Giants decide we're going to take tackle? I'm like, okay, then that pushes one of the other guys to us and we got to be comfortable with that. So we work all those scenarios. So when we got there and we're just sitting there and it's like, you're. You're at the behest of the charges.

So now you start hitting your contacts. Like, hey, what are you hearing? What do you know? You're hitting your contacts that are in the green room. Like, hey, what does it look like over at this table and this table? And then, you know, we, so we usually find out a little bit before, you know, the, it's announced. Right. And so it was like, you know, Chargers pick is in.

And then it shows on our screen and it says Joe Alt. And so we're like, okay. And do you guys see that before? Yeah. As soon as they put the car in before Godell walks up. Yeah, yeah, we know. Okay, he's off the board. Because the next team is immediately on the clock.

Got you. And so we're like, okay. And now we wait. Right. You know, to see what the Giants do. And once we saw that Joe went to the charges, we were pretty certain that they were going to take, that the Giants were going to take neighbors.

And so it was like, all right, you know, say, Salgi, you know, get me J.C's. number. And, you know, Salgy's been here. I think this was his 19th draft with the team. And he's like, hey, do we want to jinx it? And I was like, listen, if we got to rip it up, we rip it

up and then we call the next person. You know what I mean? I was like, but just have it ready. And so he got me the number and we waited. And when they took neighbors, we was like, all right, we got the big fella. When you know you're going to take JC and the teams behind you

don't have a needed tackle, is there like, Like, are you trying to act? You figure out, like, hey, would y'all want to come up? No, it was some teams, like, that called. And they were like, hey, like, we're interested in coming up. Was there anything close? No, because for me, it was like, we're not going to pass on a dude that we think, like, super highly of. Yeah.

Like, just to gain, like, move back a couple spots. And, yeah, it was, it was, it was, we filled it calls probably the first five minutes we were on the clock just to see. you know, if anything was going to blow us away and didn't come close. And so we picked up the phone and called a big fella and was damn happy to get them. What's been the craziest draft room moment you've been a part of?

Like everyone here watching right now is thinking about the movie draft day. Yeah. Trading's move. And maybe the player... Maybe you'll talk about one where the players not playing anymore to where you could talk about it. No, no, I'll tell you last year,

we get on the clock in the third round and Braves and I are sitting there and we're discussing And we're like, hey, man, I'm like, let's go running back, you know, right here. And you're looking on the board. And, you know, we were like, hey, let's go with the Tulane kid, you know, Taj. So then a team calls and they're like, hey, we're interested in coming to your pick. And they made an offer.

And so we have, like, I have the screens in front of me that has like the trade calculator. And so, you know, I start looking at what I was like, no, that's not going to get it. Is your trade calculator like Madden? Like, it's just green, green. Yeah. So it's, it's, I don't know, because I don't, I don't play, I don't, sorry of you're trying to click it in. Yeah, I'm like, I don't play Madden like that. Um, but it's like similar. So there's like, there's a bunch of different ones that you can use trade charts, but mostly everybody used the

Jimmy Johnson trade chart. So just clicking through it. I told him their offer didn't work. And then I was like, but hey, if you give us this, this and a next year's this, then, yeah, we could do it. And then the guy who I was speaking to, he was like, no, we'd be out. I was like, all right, cool, we're going to make the pick. So I tell Salga, I'm like, hey, can you give me Tajey Spears's number?

I think by this time, it's probably let's just say three minutes on the clock. And I'm literally downing the number, hit the last number, that team calls back, and

they keep calling. they want to do the deal. The one that you proposed. The one that I proposed, they said no. And then they came back right as we're calling Tadier to accept the deal. Yeah. You know, and I'm like, it's too late. So pick up the phone, Tadier answers.

He's like, hello? And all I say is Tadier, and he goes crazy. Yeah. Like screaming, everybody in the family, everybody's cheering. And I'm like, yo. like I haven't said anything yet and he's like let's go let's go so I'm like hey man

like hold on like you know let's talk and he's going he's going crazy you're thinking about taking the deal no no I'm not no you're just not yeah yeah I thought you're about to be like hey hold on a second we might be digging you here we might not but then click phone hangs up

and so I'm like call back so I call back my bad my bad my bad hey y'all gotta shut up And so I get back, I'm like, hey man. And I'm, you know, call him like, hey, we're going to take you with this pig. And everybody's still going crazy. By this time, it's like, I see it now.

It's 1.48 on the clock before we run out of time. Click, phone hangs up again. And at this point, I look at Vin Marino. I'm like, just turn it in. Like, we've tried him and his family will see it come up on it. Like, just turn it in. So we call back again. And he's like, man, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I was like, well, hold on. I said, I'm going to let you talk to Coach Vraibes. And, of course, you guys know Vraibes. Raves gets on the phone. He's like, hey, listen, man, if this is the start of your NFL career, you're not getting off on a good foot. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And they talk for a little bit. And then, I mean, obviously, Taji's great. You know, it's just super good dude, works his behind off. But that was like a crazy. It was crazy. Well, because are you thinking, like, as you're down the number and then the team wants to accept whatever the trade is.

It's a part of you, he's like, I've already dialed the number. No, and that's always my thought process. It's like once I make up my mind to pick, like, it's over. You know, like I'm moving on. Like I'm not entertaining that. And, I mean, for us, you know, obviously you document everything. You got a camera right in your face as you're doing this. So you got to maintain maximum composure, you know.

And it's, but again, like once we make our mind, the pick we're picking. When you talk about the camera man, I think about that AJ Brownshade. Yeah. Rable standing up, walking, kind of like doing one of these things right here. That was, it's one of those not keeping composure moments. Yeah, I mean, and again, it's, it's, you know, because you have, you know, you have a responsibility to your fan base to try to give them as much as possible and show them everything that you're

doing. But when it's, when it's that, now I'm, what I'm feeling on the inside, versus what's being shown could be totally different. Yeah. You know what I mean? And everybody has their little things that they do. You know, I have a baseball that I'm usually like have with me, whether I'm, you know, squeezing a hell out of the baseball, you know,

underneath the table or whatever the case may be. I remember, you know, Les would have his little shards of paper that he's just kind of ripping up. I know Jeff Fisher had a lucky coin, you know, that he had with him, you know, on draft night. So everybody has their little deals to just, you know, help them keep composing. You mentioned earlier, like, this is the most accurate board you've ever been a part of. What do you mean by that? Just from the way that we had them ranked to how they came off the board. So some teams, everybody does it different.

Some teams stack the board just for them in how they see it and who fits them. So there may be some good players that are not on your board because it doesn't fit your scheme. And then you have some teams that stack it based on, okay, this is how we think they're going to, you know, come on. off the board. And for us, we stack it for us. You know, we don't care what everybody else think we stack the board for us. And as we're sitting there and we're watching, I mean, it was, I mean, I think everybody felt Caleb Williams was going number one.

So you knew that how that was going to go. But then as we start going positionally, you're looking and they were just coming off, you know, the exact way we predicted it to, which is ultimately what led us, you know, in the second round at 38, you know, to take big sweat, you know, there. And what I like to do, you know, particularly with Ms. Amy and Kenneth is, you know, leading up to the draft like, hey, like come on in. Let us show you the board. And here, and we're going to talk through every position. And this is where we think this is how it's going to go.

And we got to the second round. We met earlier that morning and was like, hey, this is what I think, how the second round is going to unfold. Once this team here is going to pick this and then once they pick this, it's going to be a run. run at this position and then it's going to be a run here and then it'll be this and then once this person goes and it's going to be another run and it just went exactly i didn't know if you meant every whoever's a part of the entire draft process you guys all kind of accurately saw it the same versus you're like all the times you've been in the with all the different teams and all the different years i'll tell you what it's been on different pages there's i'm pretty sure there's been other times

in my career but the one that comes to mind for me the first time I've ever seen, I say the first time I've ever seen all the scouts and all the coaches have the exact same grade and thought on a player was Rob Havonstein when he came out of Wisconsin and I was at the Rams and we took him in the second round. He had consistently the same grade by every single person in our organization that that was the first time I've ever seen it. I don't I can't remember seeing it recently again and sometimes it's I mean most of our grades are color you know they're color based with a number and decimal system in between and sometimes you have like everybody thinks this guy is a red starter this guy's going to be a good

starter for a long time red is good okay is that the best color no blue blue blue chip yeah blue is the you know and a lot of times we yeah a lot of times we talk in colors right hey man this guy's a red player he's a blue player and so we talk in colors and so sometimes even within the red the red grade it's like a couple of decimal so it's different levels of red um but then to have every single body every single person to have the same exact number grade and color grade on on a guy was it was like a cool thing to see you know how you can figure out exactly what the draft is going to happen you just hire oz the mentalist do you see that clip you know what i i didn't see the clip but i i'll see all his i'm a big youtube short guy because i don't have social media um

And so I see all his stuff, and I just think it'll be so dope to, I hope he's watching, to have him come in during camp. Yes, that would be insane. Yeah. Who else? He's done for, yeah, he's done for everybody. On the McAfee showed, you see he predated the first 13 picks? No.

No, I didn't see that. Oh, he, like, did, I think it was the Raiders. And he was like, Raiders, Brock Bowers at 13. And then he had a small little sheet next to it. So unraveling it. It was like, trade here, this pick, this pick, this pick, every single pick, the first 13 picks. I'm going to have to be our consultant. He comes in.

Let us be a lot. He can just have him in a war room before. That's what I'm saying. They're going to pick this guy. But he has to do it an elaborate scheme every single time. Can you imagine how funny it would be just to show him in our draft room standing over Cali and our shoulder? Like as the camera pants are our room.

This is our secret weapon to the drive. He just has an envelope that you guys haven't opened in 300 days. Finally, it's like this is your pick. It's like he was right. Yeah. That was our pick. Dude, what was your thing? thought on the Atlanta Falcons taking pinnicks.

Being in the GM chair, you kind of see, too, the video of the owner talking to Terry, the GM, and people are kind of like saying whatever, like, oh, wonder what this conversation is. That's a bodily thing. I kid you not, like, we had a inkling that that was going to happen, that they were going to take them. You got to understand our assistant GM Anthony Robinson, he just came from Atlanta. So he spent his whole career in Atlanta. I started my career in Atlanta, you know, with him. So you kind of get a feel for how things are done organizationally,

regardless of who's running it. But we probably about two weeks prior, we were sitting around, we were talking about all the, we call it team needs, and we're kind of going through it. And we were like, quarterback? It was like, so you start playing with it. And then it kind of became clear. It was like, man, like,

they really could go pinnics right here. And so when it happened, I wish you could see like our room, we kind of like, a couple of us kind of looked at each other. So it wasn't a real surprise to us. Yeah. How do you,

obviously there's so many variables. But as a GM, like, how do you see that pick for like Atlanta? I mean, I understand. I mean, how do you feel that at the organization?

I mean, I understand. I understand because you always have to have a plan for the future. And that's at every position. I mean, I can remember because you study other people's drafts, right? You study how people do it, you know, organizationally teams that like Seattle with John Schneider, they've done a good job of always staying, you know, ahead. Mickey Loomis in New Orleans is usually the first one that comes to mind for me,

especially when they were rolling ahead, Drew and Sean Peyton was there. They always drafted a year ahead of a need. So you had a young guy there. You think back when they had Jeremy Shockey, they draft Jimmy Graham in the third. You know, all those times they had, you know, guys up front. I remember when they took, Andrus Pete played him at guard early. Then he became the tackle. Like they always drafted a year ahead of need.

They did it at corner. They did it at receiver. They did it at running back where you might look heavy at that position. But then the next year they move on from a guy or a guy's a free agent. They don't pay him. And then they got the next guy already. He's already been in the system for you. year and now you just step in and you roll.

I was just going to say it feels like to be in that spot of being able to draft ahead, you have to do so well in the drafts, you know, leading up to it. Like you hit on guys, you have a good room because if not, you have a glaring hole that it's like, well, we can't really afford to draft ahead. Yeah, no, they tell you all the time. Like when you're coming up in this business and you're learning, like the draft is where it happens. It's where you really build your team and, you know, you cut your teeth and you make your way

building through the draft, you know, because it gives you, you know, such leeway. Like, we don't, we're not able to make the free agent moves we made if we have to pay our quarterback 50 million, you know, right? So we got a good, you know, promising young quarterback who's on a rookie deal, but gives us more room to kind of build around him. Now, prayerfully, you know, is going to flip soon. And, you know, he plays extremely well. And, you know, his contract, you know, shows that.

Yeah. it's back to us building through the draft because we're going to have to surround him with young talented players because you can't go out and pay, you know, everybody, you know, especially with the, with the cost of doing business now, you know, you can't afford to pay everybody. Yeah. When you're going through the draft and stuff like that, I feel like a lot of owners want to be more a part of it or less a part of it and kind of give their opinion more oftentimes and not.

How is Miss Amy when it comes to the draft? How does she handle it? She's the best because Miss Amy is Miss Amy. she trusts, when she hires you to do a job, she trusts you to do the job. And so she doesn't come in and say, hey, no, let's make this guy number one or I like this guy more. She just wants to know the why. And so that's why we do a good job, I think, of over-communicating with her. And we bring her in a couple days before the draft and we show her the entire board.

Here's why. You know, we like this guy. Here's where we think this guy can fit. and it's just a group of us in the room. We close the door. We lock it and we're in there for a couple hours and we explain the whole board to her. And again, and once she sees it

and she sees how it's unfolding and it's unfolding the way you said it would, then now she has a little bit more trusting you. And so she just, she trusts us to do our job, which is the best. Have you seen it the other way where owners come in and they're a little more want their finger on the pulse or want to make the decision?

Well, not because I've been with, what, four clubs. I've never seen it to where the owner's like, hey, we should take this guy. But I've seen, you know, I've seen it where the owner not only wants to know the why, but he's like, are we sure? Or if a player goes like, hey, why didn't we take this guy? You know, I've seen that, you know, that question before. But I've never been in a place where the owner's like, you know, hey, I watch tape. last night and I like this kid. Do they come, do a lot of the owners come in kind of

well-versed in what's going on in that first round? Yeah, and I think, I think I'm not going to make it seem like we're the only ones that communicate with our owner because I think all GMs communicate with their owner and what they like. But I think everybody informs their owners of, hey, here the pot of guys that we like at this pick and so they're aware. I won't give our secrets of what we do, but Ms. Amy's well-informed, you know,

every guy heading into the draft. How do you feel like your role as GM has developed from year one to year two? Because you've obviously had a different, you had Vraib last year, you have Callahan this year. Talk about those relationships. Talk about how your role is developed as a GM. I think my role has developed, it's just developed more because I'm more comfortable.

I have another, you know, a year doing it. And last year, I couldn't imagine doing it without Braves. You know, because he was, he's a vet, you know, one of the smartest,

you know, football minds I've ever been around and just having him there to bounce things off of, you know, because I don't, I don't give a damn what position you're in.

You've never done it until you've done it. You know, you can read every book there is. You know, I can go and read every book there is on how to play basketball,

but I've never played basketball until I've been out there on that course. And so that's how it was for me in the GM spot, but I had a guy in Mike that I can go and say, hey, man, like, how does this part work? You know, I'm not sure, you know, about this. And so this year I'm more comfortable because there are more things that have come up like, okay, like I know how to handle that and, you know, go through that phase of it.

But that's the, that's really it. Like, the more time on task, the more comfortable you're going to be. With Mike and his departure from the Titans, it seemed. a little bit abrupt because I think as a fan base Jackie McPherson with the Titans hat in the back he's been a long time Titans fan a lot of people were saying like oh okay we obviously have issues because we're not winning a whole lot of games or Mike's not the problem and then shortly after the season end Mike is gone how was that transition for y'all how do those discussions for what you can say I'd say it was it was tough that day was really tough I speak personally it was one of those you know and this is

just being full transparent. You know, when it happened, I called my wife and I was like, hey, like this, this just happened. And the first thing my wife says is, you know, you need to call Rhea, which is my daughter. And I'm like, why? She was like, because she doesn't need to hear that coach

got fired from one of the kids in school, you know, because my kids don't have social media. And so my daughter had a really close relationship with Mike. and if you look on her screensaver on her phone right now, it's a picture of her and Mike, you know, and that hasn't changed. And so, you know, not only to have that happen to him, but to now I've got to communicate this to my daughter, you know,

and then to have my, he's now seven-year-old son who he thinks he's the GM and the owner and the head coach. He legitimately, when he got out of school, my wife told him and he was like like what are you doing like my son said this to me yeah you know what mean and so it was tough you know it was tough and then to you know go out and you know you again i'm not on social media but you can feel heat you know what i mean you can you can feel heat and i knew what it was but i also knew that it was you know unfortunate that it happened and i and again listen Mike will be coaching in no time.

He'll be back on the sideline in no time. And he's going to do well wherever he goes because that's just in his DNA and who he is. But, you know, I knew after that happened, it was no time to sit back and soak and, you know, lick your wounds. It was like, we have to deliver the next guy, you know, and it was, man, for that happened on a Tuesday.

And literally, you know, you work through Tuesday night putting a list together. And mind you, I've never interviewed a head coach before. You know what I mean? So then now. Right. Yeah. So now it's like you spend Tuesday identifying a list, right?

And that's a lot of conversations with a lot of people. You do that until Wednesday. Then you get the request out to the clubs because it's that time of year. Everybody's trying to interview. And then you spend all day, Wednesday, all night, Wednesday, all through Thursday. putting the structure and the interview together also scheduling interviews and then boom Friday you have your first interview you know what I mean yeah and so oddly enough Cali was our first interview and so you try to for me personally I was like you know we

need to be ahead of the curve you know when it comes to it we need to be ahead of the whole hiring cycle because there were so many jobs open and we were like you don't want to behind in this phase. And so we were, you know, we were very detailed. And, you know, we took a really good approach to it. You know, however, it was like, it was pretty clear, you know, once we sat with Callie that he was the guy. I got a two-part question. As you were experiencing the interview process for the first time, what do you feel like ended up being the most important question in the interview? And then the second question is, what jumped out about Cali that was like we can't really let him hypothetically leave the building.

Yeah, so I think the biggest thing for me, and again, I've been around Vraibs, I've been around Kyle Shanahan, I've been around Jeff Fisher, been around Sean McVeigh. These guys are excellent at situational football, you know, just overall, just situations of the game. And so it was talking about concepts like that, you know, in the interview, but then you follow it up with who's your coaching staff. Who's your coaching staff going to be? And again, anybody can come in and say, you know, I'm going to hire Vince Lamberti

be my head coach. Bill Belichick's going to be the D-Corporonator and Bill Walsh is going to be my officer coordinator, you know, but who can you really deliver? And the one thing that stood out with Callie was he had a depth chart of coaches. And I'm not saying when I say a depth chart, I don't, and he literally had a 3D. But it wasn't just like, all right, I won't. this guy, and if I can't get this guy, then this guy's the backup, and if I can't get him, then this. No. He had, these are three, tier one, here's three, tier two, here's three,

tier three. And he had that for every single position. And so you knew, looking at that, like, this guy's put a lot of thought process into this, you know, and he's well thought out, he's well researched. And I can't say, because I was looking at it the other day, like, we legitimately got number one on everyone in his positions. He had his old man? He did not.

He did not have his old man on the list. He was, and I told, in the interview, I was like, hey man, elephant in the room,

what's up with pops? Yeah. Are we trying to? And he was like, hey, man, honestly, we haven't had the conversation. He said,

we talked about it briefly last year and just ultimately decided that it wasn't the best thing. And he was like, we haven't had the conversation. Man, that perfectly aligns with what he said because he said the same thing. Like when the opportunity might have come up last year, his dad was essentially like, no.

And then after, when he gets this job, his dad calls him, I'll think about it without even any context. Yeah. He just says, yeah, I'll think about it. I'll be honest with you. Because I call Bill, I call him Big Coach. I've asked Big Coach, you know, I was like, was it ever a thing? Because I know from my dad, my dad always wanted to coach me. And my dad ended up being my position coach in Dallas, and that lasted two weeks.

You know, and it was like, this is not going to work. Right. It's just, and it didn't work. But, you know, he was like, he said, Bill told me, he said, it wasn't until I watched this press conference that I really start thinking about it. Really? Yeah, he said it wasn't until he watched the press conference. His press conference was a little bit emotional. He went to start talking about his wife and everything.

It was really cool to see. Yeah. And like I said, this, and, you know, when you guys come around, like this coaching staff is, it's something, man. Like the defensive staff, they are, they're their own people and our offensive staff. And just, you know, just to be through the building and the energy and the juice, you know, that's in the building. And it's just been cool. And again, I know some of these guys because I've worked with them and a lot of guys I don't know. But, I mean, we're a couple months in and it feels like I've known these dudes forever.

Yeah. You feel like that was one of, that's been one of the bigger differences is the juice and energy with the staff and in the building. Well, I say this. I say the, I know when Cali was putting his staff together, and a cool, you know, thing that he afforded me was, he was like, hey, man, like, I don't want to just hire people, right, just hire my buddies. He was like, I want you to feel good about the coaches that I want. He was like, so let's interview him. And he was like, and I want you in the interview to, you know, ask as many questions, you know. And so everybody that we brought in, like I was a part of interviewing them and getting to know them.

And so you feel that But the one thing that Cali talks about a lot Is connectiveness And he was like And our staff We have to be the example of that For our locker room You know what I mean

And so it's Those guys are always together Never not together You know And like I said It's just a cool group of dudes And it's competitive It's competitive as hell

We even have like a 430 workout group With our strength coach And it's like anywhere from 10 to 12 of us at 4.30. And listen, when I'm out there, it looks pitiful. You know what I mean? Like running hundreds and, you know, all these things. But it's another way for us to connect, you know, and build together.

And I think the players see it, you know, and feel like, hey, man, these dudes are really together and they're not just talking. Yeah. It's sick to see that you guys are going to line because it seems like that's always like a main thing of the downfall of a program, whether it's college or NFL, like the AD and the head coach don't get along, that falls apart and then inevitably both of them are gone.

And with you and Callie, it just seems like, just hearing you guys both talk, because we've shot these episodes within what, two days? Hearing you guys both talk, you seem so aligned in the vision and what you guys want to do, but it took a lot to get there. You look at the end of this past season, and you're looking at a pretty destroyed roster.

The king leaves. You know, you're missing a lot of pieces. And it's essentially like an Everest to build up. And now we're sitting in the middle of May. And you guys are, the Titans are in the best position in the world. Because you look at the power rankings of the NFL. And everyone thinks you guys are shit.

But if I were to read you a list of your roster, and you'd say, is this team going to be good or bad? Just talent alone. It's like, these boys can cook a little bit. They got something cooking over there. So truly the best position you can possibly be in in May before the coming up football season. Like, when you were looking at this big project going into 2024,

where was the starting point for y'all? I mean, honestly, the starting point, it didn't start when Cali got here you know what I mean because the free agency work the free agency part it was

the front end of the work was done in December you know with the staff that we have and and so when Cali came obviously scheme changes so some players are shifted and move like okay this guy

fits better you know now and so that's the adjustment the cool thing that him and his staff did when they came in they, we all met all our scouts and we're lucky because all of our college scouts

live here in town. And so we had our whole staff and the whole coaching staff and then they showed us, they put highlight tapes together. Positional profiles. Hey, look, I want my left tackle to look like this,

this height, this weight, this arm length, this speed. Here are the traits that we're looking for with examples. Right? And so now, you know, we get to see it. We get to see the visual

okay, now we know what they're looking for in each one of these positions on the team, and it makes it easier for us to go hunt and go find it. So that makes our job easier. But just even looking at it, it's like, you know, obviously to, you know, lose a player like Derek, like that was the number one question I got the most when I was around town. Like, hey, better not let Derek leave or what's going on with Derek. Like I understand the magnitude of that because in my mind, you know, prior to the moment, you know, prior to coming here, when you thought about the Tennessee Titans,

you thought about Mike Vrable, you thought about Derek Henry. Taylor-L-Wan. And Taylor-Lawand. And so, Cornerstone, you know what I mean? Cornerstone piece. Bustin with the boys. Right, yeah, busts with the boys. Chargers.

Yeah, charge of the schedule. And so, you know, that's, these guys are identifying factors for this football team and the way the football team played. And so you want to keep some of that, But then it's like, all right, how are we going to build this in Callie's image? And what is it going to take for his scheme? And so you have to make the tough decisions. You know what I mean?

And you have to be aligned, you know, in those decisions. And so we start piecing it together. And then again, and you hear me talk about it a lot is relationships. You know, I mean, if you look at our free agency class, there are relationships all along the way. you get a Calvin Ridley because you have a relationship, you know, or I'm not even going to say we had a relationship. We created one, you know, out of thin air and being able to just be relatable is what got him here. You know, Cheeto Bay, he was with Cali for how many years in Cincinnati, so he kind of knows what

the program is going to be. You know, Tony Pollard, he's from Memphis, you know, wanted the opportunity to raise his kids, you know, at home, you know, where he grew up, gives you a leg up, you know, all these things, you know, come into play. And like I said, this city and this state is, it's, like you said, it's slept on. You know, it's slept on. I've never been anywhere in the National Football League where all your scouts lived in the town. Like that is a, that's a 100% competitive advantage. And then think about just historically, you weren't drafted here, but where do you live now? every player that comes here, whether they were drafted here,

signed a long-term deal or a one-year deal, they come here and they stay. Yeah. And so it's a weird comment. You see a lot of the tight ends too in the office. He's like, kid on them. Like people. Everybody comes here.

So it's a competitive advantage. And we just put ourselves in position to take advantage of that. You know what I mean? And like you said, when we were walking up to the bus, like it's like an unwritten thing with this city, you know, and we'll say higher profile people. Like, those people feel comfortable here.

The people in the city, The city show you love, but they respect your space. Yeah. And so everybody here, you feel a part of the community. I'm leaving my daughter's flag football game a couple weeks ago. And I looked at my wife and I was like, of all the places we've ever lived, like, I feel a part of the community here. When I'm at her games, my standing with the team, none of that matters. I'm just one of the crazy dads in the stands giving the refs hell.

You know what I mean? And like, I don't have to wear Titans' GM hat. I'm just Ria's dad, you know, at the game. And I'm cheering. Like, my daughter's team, they won the championship for the third year in a row for a girl's flag. And I'm standing on the top of the stand, screaming three peep and got the crowd going. And, you know what I mean? Like, my daughter hurt her back in one of the tournament games.

I'm down there stretching her out. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just being a dad. And I think this city is what allows that to happen. Like, I don't have to always feel. on, if you will, I could just be one of the people. And that is a true competitive advantage about being here. When you look at, you brought up Calvin Ridley.

And I think when I think of Calvin Ridley, obviously, he's an awesome talent and wrongly accused for gambling as well. But that's a different story. He goes from the Jags to hear. And during his press conference, he's like, honestly, I want to stay with the Jaguars. As you see that as a pro or a con when hearing that statement. Because to me, it's like, now you know two times a year, he's got those, he's got those game circled.

because you can in your delusional football mind that we've all had use that as oh they didn't want me when maybe the number was just a little too big no i'll be i'll be perfectly honest with you um everything was comparable you know and he had the he had the option to go back whether the numbers i'm good appreciate the offer though being hospitable southern hospitality um he had the option to go wherever he wanted to go. But I think it's more of a positive in that we made him comfortable, you know, coming here. And then the lesser known of the deal was, again, here, Nashville, Tennessee, his wife's

family's from Huntsville. I don't know that. Right down the road, you know, makes it an easy transition for her to still be, now you're closer to your family, you know. And so it, again, competitive advantage being here in Nashville. Looking for an assist with your credit card but can't get a hold of anyone? Luckily, with 24-7 U.S.-based live customer service from Discover, everyone has the option to talk to a real person any time, day or night.

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You started three and go up I don't know where this is going and then give a little synops I think you'll have fun with it But your tier talk of your The best like scouted players you've seen In your years in my years I'm gonna say that I was a of the teams that I I play for and I know I'm going to get hell for this because I have a lot of good relationships with all these dudes.

Gotta start a three. Got to start three. If there's one that you're like, damn, he doesn't make it, but shout him out, that's an honorable mention. All right. I'll say this and it's the, I'll give you the little synopsis behind it. I'll say, damn. All right, three, Todd Gurley. coming off of Torin ACL,

I thought he was still the best player in that draft class and just was what it was. And he had that short run in the league, but man, he was explosive and dynamic and a problem. Number two, Nick Bosa. Outside of my number one, I don't think I've ever seen anybody play with the type of hand use, you know, in leverage.

Nick has this unique thing and you know Taylor as a tackle to be able to catch the elbow and catch the wrist at like a super high rate like his hand eye is unreal. Number one Aaron Donald I think that was easy

man child goat if you will what I was going to add in before I thought about one was Fred Warner honorable mention nasty What makes Fred to me is Fred never played in the box in college.

He was like a big nickel where he aligned over the slot. And, you know, shout out to Robert Sala and D'Amico Ryans. They had a vision for being able to put him in, in the box, third round pick, rookie, starting at Mike, making all the calls and all the checks. And, you know, obviously Fred is Fred. He is awesome. And when the schedule came out the other day, my son, my oldest, shout out to my boys, Roman and Reese. Roman says, so when we play the Niners in the preseason, can I wear my Fred Warner jersey?

And I'm like, fair question. I was like, I said, you call Fred because he's, my son is boys with Fred. Like they talk all the time. I say, you call Fred. and then Fred get you tickets and you sit with Fred's family then yes you can wear your fridge I love that answer

that's a good proposal so by all means but those would be my four shout out to Debo I think he created a position in football and I think he he helped usher in a new way of what we call positionless football

you know that I've been a part of damn I left big trend out I was thinking, I was going to bring that up. I left Big Trent out. Arguably the best player in the league a couple years ago. Oh, yeah. As a tackle. He's.

Yeah, he's. You see him do stuff and you're like, yeah. Like. That clip against the Cardinals? I was thinking that. I didn't want to, you know. That poor man got. Yeah.

And I'm glad you said. Isaiah Simmons. I know. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. No. I know who it was.

And I don't want to say his name. My father. Martinez. No, we'll say it off here. 45, right? Nope. Pull it up, Jack. Pull it up.

We'll just watch. We don't have to talk about it. We'll just pull up Trent Williams. Because that, not only is that extreme explosion and amazing content, contact. It's also one of those deals where to take the risk to run full speed at a linebacker and hope you hit him is a crazy. That's a crazy. Look at them. Just, man.

Was that? Like, you don't expect. a human of that size to get on you that point. We're in a 4-840. Not bad body baller, but he is truly mentor? You know this? Do you know this cat personally? No, I don't know him personally.

Yeah, you've been doing an amazing job of not saying names or teams. Yeah, you can do it. You're a pro's pro in that way. Dude, what's the most fascinating thing or something that you experience in the front office world that you think players would be intrigued to know? most intrigued and fascinating. Whether it has to do with contracts. No, I just think learning the business.

And the one thing we hear, and I'm sure you guys have said that, hey, man, it's the business. I hate that term. Because I think saying it's a business, for a lack of better way to say it, I feel it's a cop-out because it doesn't allow you to deal with the emotion

or what you're feeling. And I think you're allowed to feel a certain type of way. But when you say, oh, man, you know, it's a business, then that gives you that cop out of like, okay, like, it's supposed to happen. But I think if more guys were in my position to have exposure to how the business works,

and they would understand like, oh, okay, I see it clear now. Like myself, like, and I'm sure you felt the same way us fellow undrafted guys, you first round guys, don't have nothing. It's a different world over here. He's got the red, blue cards. What colors are the undrafted cards? Great? How was it?

Yeah. Just white, like, here's a name. Let's try to call him. That was, that was me. Yeah. Will Compton. Do you remember evaluating Will Compton? Like in 2013?

Probably not. I wrote you. I will find a report and I was, I would text it to you. But I would tell you this. When I was doing my draft process, like, again, I'm realistic. I know what it was. I was like, I'm at least a third rounder. Right.

You know what I mean? I'm at least a third rounder. And then I remember, no, you can't make this up. I got a call in the fifth round from a team. He says, we're taking you with our next pick. And I'm in the room, and I'm with my now wife, and my mom and my brother were in the living room. And so I was like, okay, cool, like I'm excited. And my wife had just got accepted into grad school in that same city.

And so I was like, this is perfect. And I got up to go tell my mom, and I was like, you know, I'm going to let her see it on TV. Yeah. And I sit there and they announced the pick and it wasn't me. And I look at her and then the team call right back last minute, we decided to. Oh. And long story short, I don't think that player made it through the season with him because I end up playing with him somewhere else.

And so, like, and he and I end up becoming really good friends. But, oh, man, I had smoke for him. I was this all. Bad, bro. Because that's fifth round too. Walking through, walking through a lot. Well, well, well. But again, I thought I was going to be, you know, wanted to be a first rounder.

Right. But I was like, at least go third round. And you play too, like, you know, hey, we could be one of those, like Bill Belichick just randomly draft somebody in the higher rounds and just come out of nowhere. And listen, I had, I knew what the signing bonus was going to be. I'm like, okay, this is how we're going to allocate the money. Yeah. We're going to, you know, planning it out. Man, nah.

Dude, you played for your dad for two weeks in Dallas? Awful. And he cut you? No. Luckily enough, I had got cut by Indy. This was my rookie year. Signed with Dallas on the practice squad. My dad was my running back coach.

Our running back room was Eddie George. Julius Jones was their second round pick that year. We had Richie Anderson. Yeah. That was awful. That was like my worst. football experience. Me and my dad got into a fight.

Now, it wasn't at, like, we had a, we went back and forth on the field to the point where Parcells was like, all right, that's enough. And so, I can tell the story. It's funny, but my dad, shout out to Frank Perano because he loves this story.

My dad was chirping across the field. We're chirping back and forth. And so Richie is like, hey, little bro. Like, come on, man. Like, you know, dad loves you. So I say some choice. words about that. And then my dad yells across, hey, Richie slapping. So I yelled back. I'm like, no, you

slap me. Yeah. So, whatever. I go home and now I'm like, I'm going to know this whole playbook. He's never going to be able to say nothing to me. I'm going to know it better than him. Mind you, I'm living with him. Right? I'm on the couch. I'm on the couch and I'm highlighting and taking notes and I'm tearing this playbook up. And so I doze off.

And I'm asleep and I hear the door open, but my cousin lived there too. So I'm like, oh, it's just Chris. Then, now, I'm like, oh, and I look up and my dad standing over me. And he's like, I slapped you. Now what? And so I started laughing. And I'm like, he's like, what's you laughing for? You said slap you.

I slapped you. I slapped you. You didn't do nothing. Now what? I was like, I won. He was like, how did you win? I was like, because it's been on your mind ever since I said it. And I'm like,

I was like, and you know what? I was like, now you better take your ass back to the office before Parcelles finds out you not there. I was like, and I will call him right now and tell him so you better get your ass back to the office. He was, cut him. You. And then literally like, that was like,

that was like a Thursday that happened Wednesday or Thursday and then the following week, the Colts called to bring me back on the roster. And so they sent my dad home to like talk me in the stand. And my dad was like, son, you got to go. He was like, because not only is this going to give your opportunity to actually play. He was like, but for the sake of our relationship, you got to go. You get the hell out of here.

Yeah. That's awesome. Hey, if it wasn't J.C. or Joel, who would it be? We'll talk off. Oh, no, it's nice. I'm not taking the cheese. Mitch, before we let him go, because he's got a roll, you have a twisted question for him?

On the top? No. He's GM. He's not the head man. That's a, that's a question specifically for the head coach. They cut their piece off for a Super Bowl. Would you? I got five kids.

So you would? I said I got five kids. So you cut your arms off as well? I just said I have five kids. All right. We just need you to say yes. I just said I just got five kids. We got that insurance.

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Yeah Mitch Because he knows he's I'm shit myself right now This one comes from Sammy Who we just had on the bus Would you all Rather when you fly You always have to sit in the middle seat

Or you're always stuck behind That slow car Whenever you're driving So you either Whenever you fly you're always on the middle seat Or you're always stuck behind The slowest car

I mean, we're sorry. Yeah, we know. No, I was middle seat. Middle seat. Give me the middle seat. And I absolutely despise the middle seat. It's never, it's awful. But no, and it's not all the time you're driving.

Like you, we try to tell them to think through these before you ask them. I feel. Yeah. What was you doing? No, my answer, you're not flying as much as you're driving. Right. Yeah. So it's a middle seat on the plane.

Jack McPherson, any questions? Yeah, before we let him go. We asked Callie this question yesterday, but you being with the Titans for every year now, you will understand this. Is there a way to bring back the OG pain train video that we play at the beginning of the fourth quarters? Because we changed it two years ago. The fan base needs the OG one back. All right. So I'm not familiar with the OG one.

Pull it up. Do you remember Terry Tate Office linebacker? Yes. Okay. So it's Terry Tate Office Linebacker. He goes, the pain train's coming and then does the woo-hoo thing. and then Johnny Cash Folsom Prison Blues, right?

Yeah. Starts playing. You got to put the headphones on. All right, let's do it. You hear it. This is awesome. I have to be able to. I know.

It's the sound of the best. Those YouTube videos were so good, too. Can we bring that back? We might be able to do something. And can, Bustin with the boys, be the 12th Titan and swing the sort of honor. Can Jack me? Yeah.

That would be pretty sweet. I'm not going to lie. There we go. I think you guys, we have the, I think the crowd will go nuts to see. That'd be so fun. Now,

here's the thing. We have the, with these two, we've got to cut the mic. It's got, it's got, it's got to be, it's got to be a delay

so we can at least have the, yeah, yeah, yeah. Very fair to say, I will say this, every college we go to, every, like we were at,

in Atlanta, every spot organization we go to. It's like they're always like, hey, we're down for you guys to do this. We've seen some of your stuff. You could just be on your best behavior. We're capable. We're capable.

And we'll be on our best behavior. Like I said, just, just, they might need to let me have the button. The mincee's a, the mincy button. Yeah, I might need to have that button. Yeah, seven second delay. We appreciate you coming on. Nah, man.

I appreciate you, boys, man. Not, man, I appreciate you boys. I will tell you this bus and all of us in here are so excited about what the times are doing. We're so stoked on what you've done in free agency and the draft. All the things about J.C. Latham coming out and the rest of your draft has been so positive. People should be excited in Nashville, Tennessee, about what's coming this form. I appreciate it, man.

I just think in the grand scheme of things, it's our job to provide this city and this state with something to cheer for. You know what I mean? It's something that can identify with. So let's just stay healthy and get to September. Do you think there's a chance that we can get Wilcompton a workout in October? December. December, let's say December. December?

Yeah. I mean. You don't want to do that. You want to do it before Thanksgiving because you know. All right. Workout October. Potential sign in December. Yeah, I mean, you can go over to Fitness 19.

They got all the equipment you need to work out. Get you set up over there. I'm actually, I'm at Boots with a couple of your guys in the front office. I'll be seen him around there. Matt Miller's in there. Yeah, Matt. I'll see Matt in there. I've known Matt since he was in high school.

Yeah, Matt's my guy. Man, he does a hell of a job. You go to his wedding? Yes. I will be there. I will be there. I will be there. just RSVP two weeks ago.

I love it. Well, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate you, boys. Hey, that was awesome, bro. Thank you for real. We could talk all day long too because, man, you're an undrafted, gritty cat. Hey, guys, it's us.

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