Bussin' With The Boys - Ross Chastain On His Famous “Hail Melon” + Justin Marks Talks The Creation Of Trackhouse Racing

Episode Date: August 20, 2026

Recorded: August 4th 2026 | Welcome back ot another episode of Racin’ With The Boys. This week we are joined by the owner of trackhouse Racing Justin Marks, and his driver Ross Chastain. The guys start off the episode with the beginning of Justin and Ross’s relationship and how Ross basically took Justin’s job in the truck series. Ross then gets into the crazy story of his main sponsors when he was coming up through the ranks ended up getting raided by the FBI in a billion dollar Ponzi scheme. Then the guys get into how Justin started Trackhouse Racing and his vision in trying to approach creating a racing team in a different way. Rather than being a side business, he wanted to make it into something where people can root for a whole team rather than just specific drivers. Justin gets into how he knew he wanted Ross to be one of his drivers and Ross talks about whether or not he thought about possibly joining a different team. Ross then gets into what has been coined as the “Hail Melon”, the viral moment of him wall riding to get into the Championship 4 at Martinsville. He gets into what his mindset was when he made the crazy decision, something that if you haven’t seen, you need to pause this and go check it out. Finally the guys end the show talking about what real “speed” in in NASCAR and how to find those tenths of a second in their cars. Also the struggle that goes into finding that speed and what all goes into that process. Will and Taylor then ask what is would cost for the boys to  sponsor one of the Trackhouse cars for a race, there may be a race where you see a “The Boys” sticker on a car. Enjoy this great interview with Justin and Ross.   0:00 Intro2:21 Ross Basically Took Justin’s Job8:57 Ross And Justin Teaming Up11:11 Ross’s Sponsor Got Raided By The FBI??18:19 Creating Trackhouse Racing32:24 Did Ross Almost Join A Different Team?35:19 Justin Knew Ross Was The Guy 42:40 Hail Melon48:29 The Growth Of Trackhouse After Making The Championship 53:32 Ross’s Aggressive Racing Style1:01:26 Carson Hocevar before Carson Hocevar1:09:33 What Is “Speed” In NASCAR?1:13:38 The Struggle/Frustration Of Being Slow And Trying To Get Faster1:21:08 Deciphering Complaints Being A Former Driver1:24:28 Noah Gragson v Ross Chastain Fight1:35:50 Does Justin Want To Be The Organization That “Goes Against The Establishment”?1:40:49 How Much For The Boys To Sponsor?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Trackhouse is seen as one of a startup and a legacy operation in the NASCAR world, and we are joined by Ross Chastain and Justin Marks. Give it up for the boys. Give it up for the fellas right here. Gentlemen. Allure says Ross Chastain took Justin's job in the truck series back in the day. So, yeah, when you're putting the pieces together of, this relationship and how it took place.

And you guys, once I finish this statement, that will take way too long. You're more than well with the jump in. It seems like, Ross, you're a cat that had a bunch of things take place that probably shouldn't have made it. You're ripping around in some other cars that don't have the right equipment, don't have all that stuff. You finally get a nice little, you get your foot in the door. Then all of a sudden there's an FBI raid that takes place that happens.

That happens. You keep bouncing around this individual who's been in the business for 20 years. He finally gives you a big shot. It's like a marriage that happens after that. And then Justin walks in here, kicks a door down six or seven months later and buys out that place where you're now doing the limbo foundation first dates. Hey, are we going to love each other? We're not going to hold each other? What's going to happen? Justin's got, hey, who's got the last laugh now? Yeah, who's exactly. Because kind of how it started was Justin, you were racing. Did they kick you to the curb for Ross? Yeah, he didn't take my job. I lost it. I lost it. I lost it. And he was the one that showed up. Got you. Came to my house and bought one of my seats. I was trying to figure out what was next. You weren't there that day. I wasn't there that day. Like, the only thing you really own are your seats, right? So, like, when I lost that ride, which was tied to a sponsor,

it was pulling out of the sport and stuff. Like, and then the team had to figure out where to go. I went and grabbed all my seats and had him at the house. And this kid from Florida showed up to take over that truck ride that I'd lost. And he didn't have any seats. And they were like, well, maybe, I don't know who told you. You know, go get Justin's. He doesn't have anything going on.

So he showed up at the front door. I was out of town. My wife answered. He had a wad of cash. She gave her and pulled the seats out of the garage and off the way. They're not cheap. They're not cheap. I heard you're pinching pennies at this point.

The bank account was dry after that. Yeah. I got my foot the door. All I needed is somewhere to sit. They wanted like four and I was like, I'm going to buy two. I can start with two. We'll get, we'll get going there and we'll see down the road.

So all you have in this game is essentially your chairs. That's really all you guys. Do they like custom fit to you? Oh yeah. Yeah. We're not the same size. They were uncomfortable. You were swimming in it probably.

Yeah, I was smaller than. Yeah. Justin for you was it was as simple as your wife hit you up and hey, here to buy the seats and you're like okay yeah let him take him or was there an identity tied to when you kind of lost that job you have like all your stuff and he comes knock at the door it's like all this new kid in town i don't think there was that much emotion for me in it i mean i was i was like already like i wasn't really starting my career at that point i was kind of in this limbo of like i was in my early 30s and i was trying to figure out what i was going to do with my racing career and

i was just making things happen kind of like one year after another and the interesting thing you have a GoPro sticker right there. Like GoPro sponsored the truck and they sponsored the first half of the season. And to be able to sponsor the second half of the season, there's like some things we want to do in the sport. You got to help us do those things in the sport ultimately didn't get done, which didn't unlock the second half of the season. So like every year I kind of was going, all right, what's the next sponsor? What's the next thing I can put together? And so like I say that to say like going into the season, I knew that doing the whole season was sort of in question anyway. So it wasn't really like a surprise that I got out of the truck.

But like there wasn't that much emotion to it. I mean, it was, I don't know how we, was that when we met? Yeah. The first time. Yeah. So we knew Todd Bodine, Mike Greenwell, and they introduced us to Bobby daughter and then Stacey Compton who owned turn one and Bobby didn't have any stuff. So we went to Stacey's and then we ended up going to Bobby's the next year.

But Stacey owned the truck that I was driving, Stacey Compton. Former driver. Got you. Yeah. And so that's when we got connected through Todd, right? And then, and then, yeah, you called and were like, hey, can I buy your seats? Yeah. And he's like, yeah, I'll be at the house.

And then he wasn't there. So his wife, Aaron, answers the door. And I'm just this random person. Like, I have money for you. I need the seats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, Justin told you to do it? Yes, ma'am.

I was scared. She was scared. Right. And I left with the seats. How much were the seats? I don't know. Were they worth as much as you paid? Yeah, they were.

I think I paid 1,200 a piece for them. which is a good deal by today's standards. Now we're in basically all-carbon seats, and there are a lot more than that. You know those seats, I actually, they got stolen. Did they? Yeah, there was some backdoor deal that happened that I wasn't aware of.

And through people that I was using, I thought I trusted to sell them, all of a sudden they were gone and they claimed not, they claimed that like they didn't sell them, but then I found the people that bought them and I'm not, it was like this whole thing

of like, oh, I just got stolen. Yeah, my seats got stolen from me. Like, right in front of me. Right. Like, I wasn't there, but. They hit in plain sight. It told you they're doing one thing. Yeah.

Giving you a hug while standing in the back. They didn't have them when I had taken them to their shop to sell them. Not the only time that's happened in this sport. And when, like, Justin, you lost your job. GoPro didn't fulfill their thing or you didn't fulfill the thing. We're not going to figure that out of this podcast. But the half the season ends for you. Where, like, is there a weird feeling when Ross was taking over that seat?

are you like a little uncomfortable with that or is it kind of like, A, all good because I don't know really what I want to do. I was not uncomfortable with it. Right up until in his first race, he finished higher than I had at any point in the season. No shit. And it was his first race in the truck. And what series is this?

This is in the truck series. Truck series, got it. But, but I mean, honestly, like, I never, I never really felt that way. Maybe if I was 19, 20, 21, I was like really trying to get my career going. But at this point, I'd been racing for 12 or 13 years. I knew that I wasn't that guy. that was going to break through and like build this amazing career as a driver at the top level. I really was just trying to maintain my identity as a race car driver and try to like go get

sponsorships and keep racing because I love doing it. But honestly, like for for it to be an opportunity for a young guy to get his break, to get his opportunity, like was awesome for me, right? To be replaced by a veteran or maybe someone that doesn't care is just filling a seat for a while until the team tries to figure out. That's a different thing. For a kid like Ross to come up and like, it's his whole. first opportunity and and then we see now like launch this amazing career um like for me that was that

was cool it was cool to see kid point on kid i was 18 still in high school like still going to school and traveling off to these races once we decided to do the truck races it's amazing how rare you no plan how rare that is like it sounds like every driver that's come on here was like yeah 14 i got my gED or whatever it was and i kind of just booked it over to charlotte yeah you saw it through your guy that sees things through well not college i did start a semester that's okay down in South Florida. You can dip the toe in that. It was like, oh, no.

We kind of knew where you were on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How long did it take for you guys to then team up? Ten years. Yeah, it's kind of a crazy story. I mean, we, um, that was 2011. That was 2011. And so then I, so he was sort of, so his careers, you know, started kind of taken off.

And then I was around racing. We raced against each other. years later in what's now the NASCAR, O'Reilly Parts series, so the second tier, AAA. And so we raced against each other. And I was racing for this team, Chip Ganassie racing. Ross was racing for this sort of smaller, lower budget bootstrap team. And that's when I really kind of like started paying attention to him because like this guy

was out kicking his coverage. Like he was racing better than this car should have been able to do. He was outracing guys in like big funded teams with a lot of opportunity, a lot of resources and everything. And for me, now if we just fast forward to today and people ask me sometimes like, how do you identify talent? How do you figure out who the outliers are? You know, I never look at the guys that are sitting in the seat in like the best race cars, the best teams. It's like who's sitting in the seats where they've got limitations on funding on equipment, engineering and are out kicking their coverage, like are doing better than they should. And I noticed that with him kind of right away.

So like I was off sort of doing my own thing, figuring out what my life was going to be. And he was racing. And then when I got out of this Chip Ganassi car full time, he got an opportunity to get in it after having, I don't want to tell your story for you. But after having, you know, 30, 40, 50, whatever starts in this sort of lower tier team, he got this opportunity to drive three races for this top team that I had been with. and crashes out of the lead with one of the stars of the sport in the first race wins the second race 15 laps longer in the third race he probably would have won that one too

like talking about pushing the button when you get the opportunity and so then all of a sudden it was gotta feel nice it was like okay this guy's got this guy's gonna be a star yeah but this whole okay so 2011 that whole all that takes place I didn't mention the FBI raid

and I love you to kind of break that down of your child you get your big break yep in the sport And right before, I think maybe a couple races in, was this the three races? Then all of a sudden, the FBI raids one of your main sponsors. Yeah. And they basically go, hey, since we're such a sponsor-driven business, when it comes to these cars, we're basically shutting down this car. What was that like for you?

Yeah. So from 2011 to 2018, whenever I got the three-race tryout at CGR, I went to drive for this team, which was like back then the O'Reilly series was different, where we could finish 10th a couple of times a year, like four times a year out of 33, which was good. now a team of that caliber really like 18th is good like that's how much deeper the pack is so I was in at a good time when it appeared I was doing better than I would with the same equipment now but racing against Justin he was in the 42 car for Gannasi chip Gannasi like you said earlier long time guy been in the sport for 20 years successful driver himself he might he might question the success part of his driving that's why I got into team owning but yeah it's um I got this opportunity through an agency that was representing the sponsor that was DC Solar, which was

Spire, Sports and Entertainment. They were a group that I had met with, never really made sense to work with them. I didn't have the money to pay them like a monthly retainer to help me manage my career. I just had to do it on my own with my dad and cousins and an uncle, a couple uncles that were helping. And we stayed in contact with that group, that's the Spire Group. And I was driving a motor home for them I was like drive the motor home to the track get it set up up for their sponsors which one of them was the EC solar and they saw me in my fire suit getting the tanks pump so if this bus was an actual camper and y'all were taking it right it'd have like a toilet and a tank in the bottom and you'd have to

dump it so I was paying the honey wagon to come and pump out the overnight liquid and and so a year later that was set 2017 and 2018 they finally put together. Originally it was going to be 10 races in 8, 6, 5, 4, 3. We landed on 3 that they gave me the shot. And that all went good. We signed a contract to drive the following year full time in that car, which, I mean, it was like the best team.

I went from a 10th place, 15th place car to the best and expected to win the championship and all this stuff with a contract written to go on to Cup. Like they had a long-term contract with me. And then, yeah, in December, we did their Christmas party out in California left, had plans, like drawing up the final paint scheme for the following year. Like they were working on the renderings. And yeah, two days later, the feds knocked their doors in and said it was a Ponzi scheme. And they all, a lot of them went away to prison.

No shit. Yeah. So you're at a Christmas party. Just a few weeks later. Two days later. Two days after a Christmas party. You get fired up about a lot. Pain job.

Yeah. We were waiting on Santa Claus. These people are getting put behind bars. Yeah, I was still sobering up. And I remember seeing the link and then the group at Spire, T.J. And David called me, who we still work with David. And they're like, you need to sit down. And, and yeah, it was, that was over.

But Chip stuck by me. So he owned the team. And he had to shut down the O'Reilly team. But he kept me as a reserve driver in case the two cup guys, which at the time was, had just transitioned to Kurt Wood. and Kyle Larson and decent drivers yeah and and yeah both champions of our sports I was like the guy if they woke up sick on race day on race morning or they couldn't make it to a practice session because of something I would have gotten in the car they had all my equipment in the hall already I did a lot

of the sim work so Monday morning 7 a.m. I was doing prep work for them to come in on a Tuesday and drive the simulator and then I was driving in back for that red 15th place car on Saturday and a truck team called Nice Motorsports on Friday trying to keep my career going. Keep the juice alive a little bit. But you have, you have this big rate taking place. You sign a deal with aspirations and in the contract when you're going to go to the Cup series and a flash FBI raids. That's all gone. Yeah. Now you're reserved. Yeah, now you're reserved. Now you're first guy off the bench of what could have been at any point where you're like, dude, maybe this is just not my cards for me. Yeah. Oh yeah. Go ahead. Well, yeah, I packed up basically

right after it all happened. I went to California first, tried to find them. They were in jail. No, they weren't yet, but they were awaiting, so they had, they went dark. I mean, you couldn't, I went, found their lawyer, but he wouldn't tell me. And he's like, I understand what you're trying, you know, you want to see him, but they're not seeing anybody you included. So, um, yeah, went to Florida over the holidays, Christmas, New Year's and told my family, I'm done. I'm, I'm, I'm just going to stay here. I'll have my, somebody go get my stuff. I didn't have much in Carolina at the time. I was still renting places. I had rented for years. I'd never bought anywhere. because I was never stable enough to know I was going to be there the following year.

Man, I wish I'd have bought a house back then. Like buying something in 2012, like now looking at it. But the money wasn't there, one, and the security wasn't there. So we, yeah, they finally, my family, a lot of Bushlight, pun intended, like, there's a reason we work with them now, drank in sorrow over what we lost and packed up January 2nd to head. back up of 2019 and committed to then the O'Reilly series for points. A truck team was going to put me in the truck for a lot of races. And then I had a few cup races scheduled as well on the kind of back of the pack stuff. And yeah, it's all, it all worked out. I'm glad I went back up. So you were about to race for one of the, just the better teams like you were going to be in a phenomenal position.

Yeah, on the Saturday races. He's in the position to be a champion almost immediately. Right. But then that gets taken away in your truck series, O'Reilly. and the reserve spot and everything else and you were thinking about just being done? Oh, I was, mentally I was done. Once that was taken away, I thought that was my opportunity. I'd worked for years to get that opportunity. I never knew what it would be, but once I was in the sport,

I thought I can stay here in this mid-pack, and then somebody, like, unfortunately, somebody won't be able to race. Somebody will lose a sponsor and they'll come my way and we'll be able to do something. I didn't think it'd be the best car. Like, it was the best car. At that time, Shipplet, Nick Harvey,

like the pit crew, was the best, the engineers were the best, the cars were built. It was basically like a third cup car for Gannasi. I mean, it was built right alongside the cup cars. It was better than all the other cars. So I was going to get to run that for the entire year. Yeah, but that time, it's just like, hey, keep your foot on the floor. And Justin, where are you during this time, this time frame that all this is going on? I was kind of floundering around, honestly. Like, at this time, I was starting to wind down my racing career. I was racing just part time. I was doing the road courses, not the oval, the oval tracks, just because that's kind of my specialty. It's what

I came out of. And I was, I was starting to think about what was next. So these two stories start to, they intertwine, they drift apart. They intertwine, they drift apart. And so as he's sort of restacking the deck a little bit and trying to figure out what's next after the DC Solar deal, I'm winding down my career and I'm starting to think, you know, I, for the next phase of my life, I want to get involved on the business side of this. Like, I want to build a great rate. team. I want to do something special in the sport and step out of the seat and give opportunities to people and try to go do great things. So this is, so as he's doing all this, I'm starting to put the pieces, early stage pieces in place for what would become track house in the next two years,

three years. And you just, now is it a situation for you like when you're like, I want to get in on more of the business side? You felt like as a driver, you saw things organizationally and operationally, guys out kicking their coverage, knowing what a good driver looks like. Are you just getting obsessed with this idea? Like, you know, I think I could take a shot and do something like this because I think I think I'm, I believe I'm thinking in a certain way that a rare amount of people do. Yeah, that's exactly it. I mean, I had spent now 20 years in the sport and and I was thinking of it from the marketing and brand standpoint, from the entertainment value standpoint. One of the things I noticed was like, you know, all of these teams are sort of like fun

businesses that billionaires own that have these business empires and other industries. The teams are all, you know, they name the teams after themselves. Their name, you know, guys like Roger Penske and Rick Hendrick and Joe Gibbs and like these big guys where their names like mean something. And my name doesn't really mean anything. And I was like, man, what if you started a team that was rooted in brand and storytelling and marketing where like you could cultivate a following of team and create a movement of a team not unlike stick and ball sports where like you know and i said in the early stages of this like you know if you're a fan of the new york yankees like erin judge comes and goes and marana rivaa comes and goes but you're like always a yankees fan right you build an identity with

that team whether it's just because you live there or just you love it whatever it is and like i figured there was an opportunity here to build a team in the sport that used that as inspiration um and so that was the whole thesis for it was like we can do something that just sort of feels a little bit different that resonates with fans and sponsors different if it's truly rooted in like great like amplifying great personalities great stories and creating this marketing machine where we can attract like the biggest and best sponsors of the sport and as you guys heard in his story you know one one sponsor makes a commitment to do something and then gets a new CMO and they don't want to spend money in racing company goes out of business a recession comes an FBI raid comes

and then all these opportunities like go will go away And I'm like, man, if we can build something here that's a valuable platform of storytelling and really partners with these sponsors as not like necessarily a racing team, but as like a growth partner, then like we can insulate ourselves from that risk and that exposure, which is ultimately what happened and basically, you know, got this incredible group of sponsors that just were like, man, it makes so much sense that there's now a race team that is like really helping us grow our businesses. And then that's what really gave the horsepower to track house and allowed us the opportunity to give. guys like Ross, an opportunity to go do great things. Now, is that the pitch you're having when raising money or partners or funding? Because you're obviously in a, this is like a league, right? Like NASCAR, you alluded to it earlier with the names and the billionaires. It's, you got to have a shit ton of money to have a team and you seem to be doing it

a way that I was saying at the beginning, that's more of like a startup version. So when you're getting in these rooms, is that essentially the vision you're trying to pitch? That's, that is, it's 100% the thesis for the business. And it's like, I spent a year sort of crafting this pitch or this argument. And but like the barriers of entry in the sport are so high. I mean, you know, starting a professional sports team is just it's not for anybody. Like it's just really, really hard to do. So like we came in very, with very small, humble beginnings. Like essentially our first year, we were one car and we went to an existing organization and just private labeled a team. Like we had seven people on payroll. And we just

used like their pit crews, their engineers, their fabrication shop. And we just called our car track house. And it was kind of just how we got started to get our name out there. I needed to be able to start publicly telling the story. So that first year was like super small. We didn't spend very much money. We basically ran the team mostly off of the TV revenue share. Like we didn't really have a lot of sponsorship. But what happened was, you know, and our charter, our franchise spot, like your spot in the sport that you own, the franchise, we were leasing it.

We didn't own it. I'm like, I have to figure out how to own one of these things, but super expensive. And I ended up having this opportunity. to make an acquisition of an existing team, Chip Gannessie racing that he was he was racing for. I called Chip. I raced for him. I said, look, man, I need to make a big move here. You've been in this 20 years.

You're not coming to the track as much anymore. The DC Solar thing is still hurting your business a little bit. This is just a couple years later. Would you ever be willing to have a conversation with me about doing something, right? And then he started going, well, you know, everything's for sale. I'm getting older. And I was like, I was like, okay, there's something. There's something here.

So I went and borrowed a shit ton of money, took a bunch of debt, spent all the money that I had, like, basically pulled together like everything I could to just make this acquisition happen and then just sort of bet on myself for it to resonate enough that it could start getting momentum and it could become solvent business. And that was in the latter half of 2021, our first year as that single car team. And then as soon as the last race was over in 21, I walked into the shop. I went from seven employees to 160 overnight and stood in front of everybody and said, this is now track house racing and we're going to go to the moon. So let's go. And are you now when you make that acquisition, are you getting the drivers that were already on the team or you get the business and now you're thinking, all right, I got the business.

I got the business and had to try to keep everything else was on me. So some sponsors left, some sponsors stayed. One of the drivers left tried to keep him. He used our offer as leverage to get a better deal somewhere else. He left. Ross was in the car at the time just sort of on like just a year to year thing, right? Or just almost like a race to race thing. It was that year.

It was that year. It was contracted that year. So you were already on the Chuck team. So I had made it to the cup series and Chip had put me in the 42 car, one of his two flagship cars. He had the one in 42. And yeah, I was driving the 42, but like on a, I mean, I don't know. And football terms of a rookie contract, like you're just, you're there and you're happy to be there. You're finally in your shot again.

And it was a one year. And we had only gotten to the Cup series one year later than that original contract that involved DC Solar. It got me there in 20 and we got there in 21. But I got there with no sponsors. So even though the sponsor left, it just took me an extra year for Chip to all the pieces to come together for him to put me in the car. And they put the sponsorship on the car. I didn't bring anything. And then Justin bought it.

So like go back to the beginning here, right? So the guy buys my seats in 2000. 12. In 11, right? Like I lost my truck series ride. Then a few years later, we raced against each other in the O'Reilly series. And then he goes. He crashed me once.

Yeah. He goes on this path. And then I start this race team. Turns out the only opportunity that I really have to create something of lasting value here is the acquisition of chip canassie racing. Who now Ross is racing the cup car for? So I've got these two drivers. one of them left what was that who was that driver the other driver was Kurt Busch and so he went to go race for 2311 Michael Jordan's team and so that seat was open I ended up bringing the driver that

we'd had in 2021 already under contract Daniel Suarez put him in that car and then you know chip goes chip calls me he goes you should you should just keep Ross he's so cheap he does a pretty good job you don't have to pay him that much you know and I'm like and I'm like I'm like I'm like a big fan of this guy I think he can be a real star Ross is up in Dover Delaware doing a mid-week testing session sitting in the race car and sees on his phone that Justin Marks bought the team he's racing for. And that's like, oh, shit. And then I got to get all my stuff together and get the business going and all that. And I finally get to do like one of the greatest things in my track house life, which is call Ross and say, I want you to be the driver

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Yeah, I mean, I want you to stay in the car. I want you to like you're not going to lose your job. I want you to be a part of this track house thing. And Ross, what's going through your mind when you, when you're sitting there to simulator and you see the information that this guy chip who kind of bet on you all the things happen with the FBI he's like hey just stick around you're going to get your shot you finally get your shot all the shit that you've been through you've trucked through the mud and now you're essentially in your brain you're probably like I got a truck through more fucking mud yeah and get this guy to like me

so it was coming off of a double header for a few years we did two cup races in one weekend we did it up in polka no we'd run a cup race on Saturday and a cup race on Sunday which is not normal we don't do that anymore. And I wrecked both cars in the 42. I was driving a bright red car. And I wrecked both of them. And we drove down with my crew chief and engine tuner, Phil and Harry, Sunday night to Dover. And Chevy has their new Gen 7, which is the car we're going to race in 2022 moving forward. It's a revolutionary new car. It changes the way the teams operate. And this is my first time getting to drive it. on an oval. So get there, drive it half a day Monday. And I think it all happened on Tuesday. Y'all went to the Hall of Fame on Tuesday. So Tuesday morning, I'm in and out of the car. They're making

changes. And this is like, we go make some runs and we're just learning about this car. And I look down, I'm sitting at a little plastic folding table with all the other engineers and we're talking and got my laptop up and I'm jotting some notes down. Just trying to keep track of how the day's going. And my phone vibrates. And I just look over and it just says Justin bought chips. Well, that in itself, that wouldn't really mean much to most people. But I had no inkling it was happening, like zero. And that Tuesday morning at whatever time, I knew exactly what those words meant. Three words in my stomach.

Like, I didn't know if it was coming out my throat or if I was going to, like, throw up or what. I had no street credit at this point. Like, I had never owned a team. I had this, like, one little private label team that we were running 23rd, 25th every weekend. There was no indication that this was going to be. good for anybody. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Chevy didn't even know it. Like the execs there, the higher brass of the competition side were there. And Keith Rodden was looking across from me. He was running the wheel force car. And he's a high up guy that's been in different teams. He runs Chevy now on our GM Chevy Cup side. And he was running that car that day.

And he looks over and goes, what's wrong with you? Are you ready to get back in? And I was like, nope. I need a minute. I need 10 minutes and I walked off and called David and they're walking me through it. They're like, yep, they're headed to the Hall of Fame now. Like this is happening. Like, it's like we don't know what this means, but you got to get back in the car,

but take 10 minutes, walk around, like catch your breath. I'm ready to drink some beer. Like I'm ready to be done working for the day. And I sent a text to Justin about 10 minutes later that just said, I want this. And I was just like, I'm just firing this in there. I knew Justin well enough. Yeah, I knew that's how we could communicate. just a simple text and I just said, I want this.

And before you even went on the stage, he texts back something about, I know, give me some time. A lot's happening right now, which is not the most, the best texting to have. Yeah, give me so much. The best text to get to have a reassurance with your job. You want to replace us. We'd close. Yeah. We'd close the deal, you know, four days before that, like the Friday before that, we

closed and we're like, okay, now that we're closed, you're owning the team, here's the date you take over. We have to go. and we have to just get it out there. And so, like, I hadn't spent any time. All I'd been working on is just trying to get this deal closed. I didn't spend any time on drivers, on sponsors, on employees, any of that. I just was like, I'm just, when it's done, then I'm just going to figure it out. And, like, my hair stood up a little bit when you said that because, like, what a moment,

knowing that he was up in Delaware, you know, and just got hit with this thing, not knowing what any of it means. And then just texting me, I want this. And I was like, I want you, but you got to just freaking. wait like because I am like I am out over my skis right now right I'm like yeah you're trying put your mask on first yeah that's exactly right yeah I'm just I'm just like just what he said like I got it let me just get through today I got a bunch to figure out we'll be in touch and then and then I think when I you know a week or two later whenever it was you know I told him like it was it was

always you it was always going to be you like it was never going to be anything different and I'm sorry you had to just wait for a few weeks but like I'm just trying to get my sure way I was You say two weeks. Like you said the texting, I want this. But you're stamping it. I want to be a part of this race team. He goes, hey, we're going through a lot right now. Whatever the text is back.

And you had to wait multiple months. Yeah. Is it right now, are you thinking you're going to get, is all the emotion of throwing up and stomach coming up through your throat? Is that like thinking, I'm going to get replaced? Because you're thinking about the couple wrecks you just had, like the stuff that you put on film, you know, Justin buys your guys' team. Are you thinking like, I'm sorry?

somebody who's probably going to get replaced. I'm out. Yeah, yeah. It's over again. Let me throw a hell Mary. Yeah, I want this. It's over again.

So, yeah, that's what I thought. Which isn't the right way to think about it because I had no idea. I didn't know, but I just, that's what naturally hit me. Yeah, but similar in football where it's like if a new head coach comes in, even the guys that have been on that team for a long time,

they're like, I hope this guy wants my kind of player around. Yeah. Totally different when there's an owner as well. If you're coming off a couple bad games. Right. Yeah, had a couple bad games.

I was definitely coming off bad ones. Yeah, bad season. So what is your, and the time between you and Justin talking? Are you reaching out to agents? Are you starting to go over to the other teams? Yeah, it's pretty good, but you can use a new driver probably, right? Yeah, you know, something going on over there? Like, are you starting to put feelers out about where you can possibly land if it doesn't work out with trackhouse?

Not, no. You're just sitting drinking some. He's just drinking some foolish line, man. Paralysis by analysis. He's just on the fucking chair. Like, oh, shit, I'm just going to sit here for two weeks and hopefully calls up. So my agent. which is kind of weird to say it about David,

but he is. He's my agent on record. David Erickson, he works now for MMI, formerly Spire, who we both worked with. They have a relationship. They knew each other really before probably I came into all this, I guess, or no, I guess we met each other first. But so anyway, David is like,

he's there to do the dirty work of agency work, right, and get contracts done and get my number as high, get away from Chips mindset of Ross Works for Cheap, but we were happy to take. that first deal. Okay, now we've got a body of work of a year. Let's, so David and you went to work on all the details. And yeah, I think I think pretty quickly I told him like this is the direction I want to go. Like I want Ross in this car. I want him to be a part of the future of this team. I think the whole time like it was it was a very turbulent time for a lot of people because

it was super scary for a lot of people because like I said, like there was, I hadn't done anything on the business side in the sports. There was no indication that I knew anything about what I was doing. People didn't know if I was going to just, you know, gut the team and run it cheap because I had no sponsors, you know. You had a lot to prove. It's not like if a name comes across Jeff Gordon buys the team. Like there's just this idea like, okay, this is going to be successful.

Or like, you know, or like, you know, some, you know, whoever it might be. I mean, it was like, remember, I had basically, I was a race car driver like 16 months before this, like a part-time race car driver that no one could ever say what my next day was going to look like or what my future was going to look like. So there was a lot of question marks, but I went to work with David and was like, man, you know, I think there's a lot of work to be done here, but I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think we could win. If we could build something here that could be really successful. And then our first year together in 2022 was a magical year. I mean, and it really just proved out that like my belief in him, his belief in himself,

his commitment to my vision when we finally could sit down and I'm like, this is how we're going to be successful. This is how I think about this new car. This is how I think about the new paradigm of the sport. Like this, I think that we can go do something that no one is expecting. And we won two of the first 10 races and finish second in the championship. Two hundred, two hundred and thirty five feet short of being the champion that year in the cup series. Two hundred how many feet? Two hundred and thirty five feet in the last race short of being the champion of the cup series that year, our first year. Justin, for you knowing that Ross is like your first driver,

how did you know it was him that you wanted? I think the story that we've told. I mean, I just think all the way back from when he got in the truck that I was sure couldn't finish better than 15th in a race and go ran 8th in at his first time or whatever it was. And him overachieving in those red cars in the O'Reilly series, those three races he got in really good equipment and was in position to win all three of them first time that story and paying attention to that story and going like there is there is a there is a

superstar here he just needs the security he needs the commitment from ownership that he's the guy he needs someone to build a team around him and believe in him give him security in his job and let him go drive good race cars the best that he can without worrying about FBI raids or losing jobs or or like one year contract or, you know, reserve positions, just be the, be the guy, be the race car driver. Just the belief that, that if he's in that position, he can carry our company to great things, which he did. That's unbelievable, dude.

That's fucking sick, man. It was my first, it was my first contract that was more than one year, which a lot of the years, there were no contracts. It was like a text, a handshake, an email early on. And then I finally got to where, like, I had a one-year contract with Chip every year. or one year for the cup car. And then, yeah, when Justin was like, we want to do two years with really no sponsors either.

We started with 10 races. We had Admit Health for six and the Moose for four races out of 30, 38. And we missed our first race, the clash out in L.A. We missed, it was like an exhibition race. And we missed it. We didn't even run the feature. Why not?

How does that? That was slow. Oh, you just weren't able to get in. You weren't able to qualify. Yeah, it just wasn't fast enough. We went to the to the 500 that year in 22 finished last. Wrecked at California, big in practice and spun out in the race. I remember we were in Phoenix like race four of the year.

And he's so he's, I don't want to say this wrong. You've hiked. You've climbed mountains. Yeah. You climbed mountains. Yeah. What's your mountains? I just want to say he can tell you about climbing.

He took me for this walk and he's like showing me how like the rate that you would climb if you were to truly like ascend a mountain because I'm thinking oh you just start walking and you end up at the top. So he's like here's the pace but he took that like two hours. I remember to like try to like get me to like finish a race because I had crashed crash crash crashed and early missed the race in LA and he's like you just got to finish and then we went and finish like second third fourth yeah it was like don't don't think about don't try to win don't try to win at this point he's 34th in the points and I mean like in last place. in the points and we're three or four races in and it's starting to get frustrating and you know it's like

my message was like don't try to win let's just let's believe in what we're doing here and just and just try to execute and do every week the right way just focus on the work that we have to do let's finish the races run a good strategy get on and off pit road not make bad decisions and it's all going to come together and then it just started coming together and there was a fifth place finish and then a third place finish. And then we go to Circuit of the Americas in Austin, Texas, and he carries us to our first win as an organization. Now, how hard is it for you to be four races in to the first time? Basically, spending all of your money in order to become like a legitimate person in this. And then the first four races, one, you don't qualify for exhibition match, you spin out, you crash,

all things. How are you keeping such a level head in this process? I think just knowing how hard this thing is. And like that I had just stepped on. to the stage with the with the most legendary owners in the history of this sport operating at a level that I had only just just touched a little bit in my in my career and just knowing what's ahead of me it's like you know um I took the long view on it right just like just just just believe like this is going to take some this is going to take some time I have to learn you have to learn everybody has to learn like what it's going to take to be successful in this and I think just a real belief, a deep belief that like everybody that's a part of this is really, really good at what they

do. Everybody that's a part of this can achieve everything that they've wanted to achieve in their careers. Let's just focus on the work, just the execution and the work and just knowing that like if you just do a good job and put the right, um, the right like mojo out into the ether, like just the right attitude and, you know, like have gratitude and be excited and inspired every time that you go to have an opportunity to do this work, that the universe is going to reward you, right? Not to get all woo-woo, but like that's literally how, it's really how I think.

Yeah, focus on the process and just believe, just believe that you can. Sounds like, it sounds like Ted Lasso stuff. Go ahead. Yeah, I was going to say, now, you used an analogy of climbing a mountain or you took him out to a mountain? No, no, we went some sense. We went on a, yeah, like, hey, we went to, he did some woo-woo shit for real. Yeah, yeah. We're not racing a day, we're going to take a difference.

Right. We're actually taking the week off. Yeah. There's a whole other thing, but like, I have this. passion in my life for the mountains. I've done like high altitude mountaineering and like South America and Nepal and all this stuff. And like we, we were in Phoenix. And so we went hiking up in in the mountains outside of Phoenix. And, and when we were walking, it was like the idea of talking about climbing a mountain was like you don't, you don't succeed in the high mountains, trying to go fast,

trying to like be, you know, over like, I guess over inspired into. just try to like do too much too much it's just it's like one step in front of the other and you're never like thinking about the context of the summit you're thinking about the journey right like you're on this mountain for three weeks and when you stand on the summit you're there for 10 minutes so like it has to be about the three weeks not the 10 minutes and that's kind of like what I was what I was talking about when we were walking in the mountains is sort of like these small steps just spending two days going to camp one and then two days going to camp two like it's about laying this foundation of like consistency, efficiency, the work, all that kind of stuff.

And then one day you're going to wake up and you're going to be on the summit because of all that work that you did. Right. Does that make sense? No, yeah. Hell, yeah. Hell, it makes a lot of sense. So all of a sudden, like, we didn't go to the circuit of the Americas in Austin, Texas,

and go, we're going to go try to win this race. I don't want to put words in your mouth. Daniel was fast enough too, but like the thing is that we went to Austin because we were in the way that that race ended up is like we were focused on executing well in that race, preparing well, practicing well, qualifying well, making good decisions on the racetrack. And then all of a sudden, there's three laps to go and Ross is in the lead of the race.

And it just, you just get delivered that moment. Yeah. Right? Right. Because you have three lapses, what, 400 laps or however many laps you have to go. Three hour race. Three hour race. And you're focusing on those last.

Oh shit. All of a sudden. We got to the sky. We want to be it. We can actually win now with two laps to go. Now you can go try to win the race. Yeah. And so you're taking these small incremental steps.

You're having this sensee moment. on, I'm assuming, Camelback Mountain somewhere in Arizona, taking, taking steps. Like, hey, just focus on the process, lap by lap. When does the hail melon take place? Is that before or after this, this big camelback mountain walk? The end of that year. The end of that year. This was in April in Phoenix.

And then to get the Phoenix in the fall, the hail melon happened in like the end of October, Halloween, basically. Yeah, you're in the middle of spooked over, dude. You're like, I'm just going to put my foot to the floor until I see God or the checkered flag. That's not me. That's not you? No. No, that's, hey, first off, that pisses me off. Because we watched a video how many times it was like three times?

Yeah. And I've seen that video before. And I just remember thinking like, this is the most badass shit. What a quote to have. And that's not you. No, but you know, the thing is, yeah, somebody like spliced that made of viral video that went to trial. Just like Travis Ostrana saying the x-ray of him is not his x-ray.

But here's the thing. Here's the thing. The real radio communication was better than that, in my opinion. Really? They didn't need to fake it. Because the thing is, is this is the second. to last race of the year. And we had this, you know, at the time had this playoff championship where it was 10 races, but every three races, they would reduce the playoff field. And the second to last

race, they would take the top four eligible finishers of that race. And those four would race for the championship, the final race in Phoenix a week later. So we're sitting here with 10 laps to go, five laps to go, three laps to go. Ross is in eighth, ninth place. And he gets on the radio and asks his crew chief, he goes, like, how many do I need? How many guys do I need to pass? And at this point, He goes, you know, you need two or I need three, whatever the number is. You need two or you need three. This is at the white flag. And that third car in front of him that he needs to pass is a hundred yards in front of him.

Like, it's not going to happen. Right. So he comes off turn to floor and goes, how many do I need? You go, you need three. You need three. And the next thing you know, we're all watching this thing unfold on the television screens in the pits, not registering what's happening. And he makes this decision down the back straightaway like, I'm going to get my three.

I'm going to do it in a way that's never. So it's almost like it's eerily quiet. He's just asking how many numbers he needs. And all of a sudden, you just make a decision to ride this thing against the wall at 150 miles an hour. Yeah. I had never thought about it before. Like there's no. You've never done it before, never thought that was even possible.

After I did it, then when you asked me, my answer, when I got out of the car and it still is today, I remember doing it as a kid. We had a Nintendo GameCube. So I was a kid that I told my parents that GameCube was going to be bigger than PlayStation. I was a little wrong on that. I'm like, Nintendo is going to be like, yeah,

no, not the case. Yeah, I had a little brother, Chad, he's six years younger than me, and I can remember his kids,

us racing NASCAR 2005. Kevin Harvick was on the cover. And we, yeah, we would like turn around and go backwards and crash each other and have fun playing.

And that was the last time. None of the simulators ever did it. I never asked an engineer. I definitely never asked, Justin, I never asked anybody. I never thought about it

until off of turn four starting to start the white flag. McReynolds are my spotter Brandon McReynolds driver himself now on the roof for us he said white flag need to here and in that moment I know right where I was I know I could see the white flag waving I could see the grandstands the cars in front of me and to run the wall popped in my head you see and that's just that's just running the wall in a video game back in 05 national no I didn't even think about the video game I just thought with that car in 22 what's the first year we'd ran it I'd hit the wall a couple of times throughout the year well documented a lot at the beginning of the year but we We had scraped the wall and it wouldn't slow down. We'd done a homestead test. And a couple of times I got the right rear tire against the wall. And the wheel actually, like I got in the gas against the wall and it actually drove me around the corner a little bit. And I was like, that's weird.

We finished second at Homestead that year touching the wall. Just very, not on purpose, but you're just packing air. You're trying to go right up next to the wall. And yeah, for some reason, my mind thought if you just go wide open, you never lift. it might work. I'd seen Kyle Larson do it the previous year in the Southern 500, trying to pass a Denny on the last lap. I'd watched Sheldon Creed do it at Darlington in the O'Reilly car.

And yeah, I just thought there would be nobody in front of me. They're all going to run the bottom and I'll go around the outside. That's iconic. That is iconic. And it gets you into the final four, right? And the last race is the best four cars, correct? It got him in. So, yeah, so Brandon McReynolds goes, White Flag,

too. Ross gets on the radio and says, got to get them. Got to get them. And crew chief goes, yeah, you got to get them. And the next thing happens is. Everybody was just like calm. It's amazing. No, it's like a legit flow state situation. I'm hitting the wall. I can't see anything. It's all blurry. I feel like I'm going to flip over. The left front tire was actually

off the ground going through the corners. A couple of still shots of it up, which is not normal. And McReynolds, keys up. Keep coming, man. Come on. Keep coming. Hang on to it. Fastest lap ever turned in the history of Martinsville Speedway. He went from 10th to 5th in the last corner of the last lap. He beat who at the time was sort of an arch nemesis of his during the season that he'd had a lot of run-ins.

He's losing his beat him. He beat him, beat him Danny Hamlin, beat him right at the stripe to put Danny Hamlin out of the championship contention and put Ross in. That had to feel good. And it was the most, I have pretty confident saying it was the most viral moment in the history of the sport. It had to be. I still think it is. Now, in the comms, you say that it's, your line is not in there. It's spliced in there, but are the other comps from the other drivers?

Those are real. Those are real. When they're like, oh, my God, witness is truly witnessing history in this one move taking place. When it meant more than anything to you in this team, right? I mean. You talk about a brand on storytelling. Like, there's a, there's a Hollywood movie in there based on that year. You're not lying.

With going to the mountain and shit and then the final race to get in. Yeah. There's a movie in there somewhere. Yeah. Jack will get on it for us. Yeah, yeah. We have to produce that. Get Omaha on that.

and start ripping. There it is. It is. Suggest it for you to buy a team and in one year not know. Some sponsors are leaving. Some are staying. You got people trying to go probably asking for more money. You have four races where you don't even finish the race as the owner.

And then you get into this position. Like what was that like for you, your vantage point? And I'm sure the sponsors have to come rolling in right after. Yeah. It's a great question. I mean, I think that my overwhelming response or emotion in this was, this is what happens when you have a group of people that just believe in themselves and are all united and galvanized in a mission. And that's really it for me. It was like, it feels like magic.

And because everybody was so invested in this journey of trackhouse. And in that moment, I think whether it was conscious or unconscious for Ross, like the whole season had been building up to that moment. And there was such an opportunity in front of us. And it was like, you know, I have to assume it's these are the magical moments that happen when you have a bunch of people together that believe the impossible is possible. That's sort of what I took away from it. Yeah. And the finish is like poetic. Yeah, really is just grinding up against the wall.

Yeah. The coolest part for me, though, is whenever they cut down to y'all on pit road. Yeah. And I was in shock. You're about to jump. Well, Harry is definitely about to jump to the pit box. And that's Hamlin right there right behind you. Yeah.

The first thing I could see. So everything was like the way that is so. be you got his ass. That's why Justin Marks hired that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are they still a sponsor?

They are. They are. Yeah, they should be. They're my personal, longest sponsor I've ever had. They followed me from the O'Reilly series up to Cup, several teams. And yeah.

You ever been to a moose? No, I don't even know. I'm actually a little ignorant to what be a moose is. Moose fraternity. So they're a fraternal lodge. There's locations all across the country, membership based and they have a children's home in Chicago and a retirement home in Jacksonville, south of Jacksonville.

Okay, shut on, no free shoutouts. I see giving them some love moves, dude. Might have to sign y'all up when we get off camera. Yeah, down with that for sure. I'll sponsor you. I'll get you signed up quick. And so this is essentially this move happens and within hours, it feels like all of NASCAR's like, can't do that, we're done doing that, no more.

They gave us a week. They let us go to Phoenix for the championship race and they allowed it to happen there if anybody wanted to. Did it happen? No one did it. It didn't. So coming down to the end of the race, I'm running down Joey Lugano who won the championship, but his teammate Blaney stayed behind him and wouldn't pass him.

Ryan, clearly faster. Yeah. But stayed behind. You didn't have to win the race to win the championship. You just had to finish ahead of the other three guys. And Bell wrecked out with a break issue. I spun Chase Elliott in the race. He was one of the four.

That was not intentional, but I did. And then, yeah, it was me and Joey. basically left and yeah Blaney just stayed behind him so I thought if I go up there and do it in three and four really turns one and two would be I mean after I did at Martin'sville then we think about as drivers and people in the sport we think about all the tracks and I can basically tell you now that I felt it if it's going to work and it would have worked at Phoenix but he had like a blocker basically and I was like Blaney's just going to unwind the wheel and I'm going to run right in the back of him which is what happened to Larson the year before with Denny. No way.

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I have. Yeah. I have. Who was that son of a bitch that deserved it? Well, I definitely don't do it on the radio. So that's a thing right now in our sport where Ryan Priest got penalized for wrecking Ty Gibbs. and he talked about it. Yeah, we got to break that down.

And then he went and did it. And he got penalized and now he sells t-shirts. So I bought a don't press the button t-shirt. I don't know if you've seen those. They're just blank white shirts and it just says don't press the button. I love it. And that's the precedent right now.

Yeah, plausible deniability. Don't say it. So yeah, there's other people in the sport that have had similar run-ins and they just don't say anything and just handle your business. So who have you intentionally kind of? Who'd you put down this?

Spone out. Who'd you old yellow? on the race track. What a lot of what started that year with Denny will keep it in 22 because I think the statute of limitations has ran out at Worldwide Technology Raceway. It's a really long name for a track at Gateway in St. Louis home of Anheiser Bush which we love. Yeah. Yeah, I did run into Danny on purpose which kind of started not started but it that definitely sparked off the feud that happened the rest of that year. But yeah, I was trying to pass him trying to pass him

tried to move him, he way overcorrected, hit the wall. I hit him too hard, and that was intentional. What was your relationship with like with Denny now? Good. It's good. Yeah, it is. Sit down, crack up a couple cold ones. Hey, it's all good. Yeah. Well, for one, I mean, sorry, boss. I'm not fast enough to catch him right now. And I mean, I had to run into him here to try to make the next round of the playoffs last fall. And he was fine. He totally understood. He didn't have a clue. I don't understand how. He didn't know what was happening, which is why. to me. He had no idea why I would run into him, but he understood once he learned. You drove him backwards here? I did. That's the checkered flag, just to try to get a little

Bobby type shit out there. Just desperate. Yep. So, yes, Danny and I, yeah, we, we, I think he, it's easier to get along with people when you're not racing them every week. Yeah, fair. And right now, like, I'm not, I'm not fast enough to keep up with Danny right now. So he's at the top. Like, literally he's the best car week in and week out and we're not there right now. So yeah, when we get back up there, it might be more hard conversations. It seems like you have a rich history of driving aggressive. What's what got me here? Like overperforming in the red cars, overperforming in the trucks, even the cup cars along the way. Yeah, I kind of, I learned my dad taught me at an early age, which he was a hobby racer farmer. My dad farms, I come from a long line of farmers from

South Florida, but dad did some hobby racing, got me into it. And he just, I don't know, instilled in me in an early age, like, you blocked the bottom. Our local short track was a, you ran the bottom at 417 speedways, what it ended its time as. And yeah, you just ran the very bottom and you blocked and moved people out of the way to pass them. That's what I watched my, my heroes at that local track do. And so I've just kept that, like, the guys I idolized at 14 years old when I was racing as a hobby, that's what they did. And I might have, taken a little too far a couple of these times. Yeah.

Also, they didn't have the national spotlight of the Cup series on them. So I realized, like, they could spend someone out and it was like 200 people in the grandstands watched it. That was it. And now it's a bottle moment. And now it's, now here we are. Like in the big leagues. As you're coming up, what do you think the, how people viewed you? The older, the older heads in the sport, you come in, this aggressive driving, these really risky maneuvers you're doing.

doing, how are these older drivers viewing you, do you believe? In my experience, and I don't want to speak for other people, but what they had told me along the way is it's fine as long as it's not them. All right. I've lived with Ron Horner Day, multiple time champion in the truck series, Todd Bodine, big mentor mine, and these drivers and these team owners, Bobby Dodder, even Stacey Compton, who drove in the different levels of NASCAR. Like, they were all good with it as long as I wasn't tearing up.

if they owned anything, it wasn't tearing up their race car. And then if it wasn't them actually driving, they're like Ron, I mean, made a career out of like beating people on restarts and, and then figuring out how to win the race and studying a lot of these guys that I now race against. I've studied Denny. I've studied Joey Lugano the most of anybody in my life.

And I remember a race in Kansas one time, we went at it for like 14th. And we're not hitting each other, but we're both mad at the end of the race. and he comes over, he's like, why would you do that? And I said, Joey, I'm doing exactly what I've studied you doing. And I, like, that is exactly where that move into one. I've watched you do it over and over and over.

And when I wasn't even racing in the Cup series. And he didn't think, he didn't agree, but I think he understood. And we've had a great relationship since. So it's fine as long as you're not doing it to that. Is that, is that fair? Like you were a vet when you guys racing. It sounds like he even hit you when you guys had that race. Yeah, I mean, it's a different position for me because it's like I'm sitting here going like, this guy is going to carry us to the height of the sport.

So it's like, how do you take this raw talent and aggression and speed and try to like harness it in a way that can take advantage of the opportunity that we have in the sport? And like our cars that first year were so fast. It was the first year of the new car and a totally new design of the car and all these teams were figuring it out. What really made speed at that time was just. just like culture and preparation and execution rather than like the little tips, the little tricks and like nuances that like you can engineer into the cars and stuff like they do now. And I was like, you know, I just don't want us to to have opportunities get thrown away when we can win because we've got, you know, some dick swinging contest or whatever with another driver

or we've got, you know, like we're crashing each other or whatever because a lot of these times, a lot of these highlights like, you know, are races that we were fast enough to win. Honestly, we were fast enough to win 10 races that. year. Right. And, and so it was like for me, I was like just 100% support of him. Just like, what, what can I do to try to help harness all of this talent and this aggression in a way that can be deployed really intelligently to put us in position to win races? And it happened over time. Yeah. But it was like, I just looked at it and went like, there's something so special here and a driver that's so good and so fast, someone that can win a championship that can be the best

driver in this sport. And it was a little bit hard for me because like, you know, the, these drivers that were mad at him had legions of fans that then were mad at track house and like all this shit kind of like came our way, which was, which was a little difficult for me because it's like, I don't really want to be in that realm. I don't really want to be a polarizing figure. I don't want to be like in the middle of these conversations. It's like that was a little bit hard for me.

But at the same time, it was like there's something so special here. if we can just figure out how to get through this. And looking back in history, you look about like the great drivers that have come in, like Joey Legano, Brad Keselowski, Kevin Harvick. These guys, Carl Edwards, when they showed up, they were, it was exactly the same. They showed up. They were fast. They were ruffling feathers.

They were there racing for the wind against the establishment, threatening the establishment's place at the top of the sport. And there was all this turmoil around it. And so, like, I'd seen this tape play a couple of times in the previous 10, 15, 20 years. And I'm like, okay, this is, this is what all these guys went through. Like, we're going to go through this right now. We're going to come out of the other side of this, like a polished elite top level race car driver. And we're going to go win a ton of races.

Now, how do you feel about when people are mentioning, uh, Ross Chastain was Carson Josevar before Carson Hosovar before Carson Hosovar was Carson Hosavar? Because you see a list with this is our, what, 13th, 14th episode, whatever, something like that. And we're kind of gathering information as casual fans. We're diving in. We're getting relationships with these drivers. But it just seems like this individual right here is the guy that is doing exactly what you said about all those other great drivers that have great legacies. They come in.

They're new. They're fast. They're ruffling feathers that the guys have been there. They're essentially challenging the establishment. How do you, how is your, let's just start with the relationship. You guys have a good one? You guys hang out? Yeah.

Yeah. No, I don't. Not anymore. I've cooked. I've grilled out. He's came over to the house before. Yeah. So we work with.

the same agency. He's an MMI client. And so he's came up through Nice Motorsports, Al Nis. He was driving a couple of truck races for Jordan Anderson and Al and Cody Eiffa put him in the truck. He had sponsorship to pay for it, but they gave him opportunities to run more races. I remember sitting in a bus outside of Martinsville. Oh gosh, I don't remember what year it was, but we were trying to get like his every driver, I just want to pull the curtain back a little bit, into the sport with personal funding. It's just it's the bad side of the sport that no one likes to talk about, but my family invested in me to race. And an investment is not, it's not fair to the word investment because it's there's no return. There's no point of doing it other than you're wanting to race. And you want your for my dad and my uncle, my family, like we spent my inheritance and more and we borrowed money and we, we sold land. We, we did things that looking back, it was not the right call, but we loved racing. and they wanted me to continue to race and climb the ranks. So you see it with Hosefar as well, like his family put a lot into him.

So then on the Nice Motorsport side, they are trying to figure out how to get his career funded. I remember we sat in a motorhome Rob Rose. He was then running Worldwide Express, a group of companies that was sponsoring us in the cup car. And they had sponsored really the truck team first, another driver, Dean Thompson, and then came with me to Trackhouse. And I remember talking to Rob and trying to get him to grab. but Carson was going to be his guy. Like, I've already got other sponsors as well in Cup.

And, you know, if Rob and I, if Worldwide Express and Ross Chastain would have met five years earlier, like, I'd be like, Rob, I'd be, I'll be your guy for sure. But Carson can be your guy. Like, you get in with him now in the truck series and you can go with him. I don't want you to leave trackhouse, but who knows where he goes, maybe he drives for track house one day. Like, I don't know. We want him to win a truck race first.

Let's get there. And Rob, I remember, I never forget. I don't see it. And Carson's sitting there like shaking, like nervous at this guy's saying no. But he said no. And we left. And I remember Cody if I put his arm around Carson, I couldn't because he's so tall. And he's like, buddy, you're going to get told a thousand more times you got to keep showing up. You got to keep asking. We'll find the money. Like we'll keep it going. And they had not saying they were out of money, but they, it was a lot. It costs a lot. And whenever, I mean, I don't know, that weekend went by that week. And I remember Cody called. me. He's like, I talked to Rob again. Got him on the phone last night. It's not no anymore. It's, it's maybe. It's, he wants another, he wants another sit down with Carson. We're going to do this race, whatever. We're going to put a little sticker on the truck as like a, and we're going to bring some people. It's a maybe. And I was like, holy cow, like, this could be the difference. And then they end up sponsoring his truck for multiple years. It sponsored me over there as well.

They were dual sponsoring me at niece and me at trackhouse. So I just always, remember that because now looking at it he's built a brand around chilies and everything that he's done and i've watched we've all watched him grow up i mean he's always been tall and he always appears to me older than he actually is but he's a kid like he he he's a he acts like a child and that's not putting it like in a bad way it's just my honest opinion is the decisions he makes which is so funny to see those pictures of us at echo park speedway because it's the same thing joey was doing to me at Chicago in a few minutes ago. Like I was just trying to get through to him like, man, you didn't have to, didn't have to do that because it was at my detriment. Like it took me

out of a chance to win. But yeah, somebody else, but not to me. And I was like, pot, meat kettle. Yeah. I got walked away. And Lauren Emling, who's off camera here, she's like, did you really have to do that? And I was like, that was a misstep. I'm not a guy that walks down and talks right after the race. And he's trying to explain. And it didn't make any sense to me. And it didn't make any sense to me and I'm just like, okay, this conversation's over. But watching him grow up, like mentally has been fun and it's fun. I hope it continues. I hope it continues to grow up.

Because there's a, there's a lot left. Do you think some of the hate he's getting from some of these other drivers that have set on this bus, is it warranted or is it kind of like, hey, we're putting him, turning him into a bit of a character in the NASCAR world? They can say whatever wants to me. He was a character back when he wore those hats. Yeah. I remember asking him back then, like, what's,

to deal with the hats and he just wanted to stand out. He was trying to make it. Yeah, his, yeah, I don't know. I remember he'd show up with a new hat every week. I'm not sure. Interesting, interesting bit. I think some of it is, I think some of it is warranted, you know, obviously because there's times when he can be kind of a bull in a china shop, right? I mean, there's a lot of speed. There's not a lot of like real, what we call racecraft there, which is kind of like what he's learning, which is what Ross went through and a lot of these other guys went through. But the other thing is that when these guys show up and they're so fast and they're doing these things, you know, it's like it represents a threat to everybody. And I think people respond

to that differently and in different ways. And I think that, you know, like when Ross showed up, it was it was a threat to the establishment. It's like now there's a new guy that we haven't been ever had to think about before that's here. And he's just every week. He's just, damn it, he's just here. This is just something I got to deal with now. Yeah. And so, And then like you, like I said, I think you get through that. This is sort of how I think stars are born. Whether it's going to happen for him or not remains to be seen. But this is this is how stars are born.

And then eventually they come to a fork in the road and they go, they'll realize with maturity and experience like I got to figure out how to use all this speed and this talent, this aggression in a way that's going to translate to wins in a career for me. Or I'm just sort of going to lose my way and, you know, never really learn and grow from it. As an owner, when you watch Josevar, What is it for you that he, that you think he needs, like an area he needs to get better in? I just, I think, this is how a star is born. Now it's got to, the winning has got to come with it. I mean, just raw speed is, is one of the ingredients that ultimately goes into a pot of a lot of

ingredients that make a superstar. And I think like when someone is just really fast, that's like the hard part. And when that's there, you know, it's like everything else has to sort of coalesce around that and work with that to really create something. But as a team, owner, you look at something like that and you go like, the hard part and what you're looking for is there in spades. And it's just this, all this speed and this like, I don't give a shit attitude. And nobody intimidates me. And I'm going to go, you know, I'm not going to be intimidated. I'm going to go try to win these races. And as an owner, like, that's what you want. The question mark is, can all the other stuff come together around it? And I think probably in any sport, you look at this,

right? I mean, like these guys that have so much talent and so much. Opportunity in front of them and maybe they figure out a way to harness that in their preparation their execution and their teamwork and all this kind of stuff or those guys that just can't figure it out and for like me as a team owner you look at something like that and go if if that gets figured out and a full well-rounded professional athlete while the speed maintains is created that's a hot commodity for any owner in the sport like he's that's that's what everyone's looking for you bring up speed and so for me as a fan that watches it's like well isn't more speed just putting it? your foot on the gas. Like, I know that sounds really dumb to say. I know, I was thinking the same thing. When you're talking about, yeah, when you're talking about like a guy needs speed, like for football, it's like we know what speed is because it's like you just run a 40-yard dash. Oh, that guy's fast. He's got speed and that doesn't translate on the field. Yeah, well, that's the point is like is that is that, is that what are the intangibles? Right? Like, like, there's, there's the intangible.

What are the, like, it's like, you have the combine, you've got the stuff that you can measure in the data and you can look at. But like, how does that, how does that translate on the final drive in a playoff game when like it has to be it has to go it has to be deployed to win the game under pressure and under fatigue and heat and pain and all this kind of stuff right so like the intangibles are you know speed is yeah putting your foot to the floor but it's like understanding the tire where the tire life is at understanding the air coming off the other cars it's understanding how much fuel is burned off the car and how that changes the balance of the car because now there's 25 less pounds in the rear that changes the dynamic of the weight transfer

in the car like all those little things when we say speed is how all those little things are contemplated to maximize lap time at that moment does that make sense yeah different lines on the racetrack different like has the racetrack taken rubber you know how aggressive can you be on a restart when the tires are cold and the tire pressures are down and you can make something happen in that moment before everyone sort of settles into their running like all those. little things are kind of like what I think we call speed. And then maximizing that last five or 10% of speed in the car is the intangible. It's just, it's actually hard to assign a term to it or it's hard to like really describe what that is. It's just a feel. It's just a feel thing. It's just

what he feels when he drives in the corner where his mind is at, how he feels the vibrations of the car and the load in the car and just that extra little bit sometimes I think just comes out it just sort of comes out through the talent and the feel and the nuance yeah so the first so speed isn't necessarily the first 10 laps of the race when it's 75 degrees overcast no when full tank great tires yeah because when he was saying speed it's like yeah yeah doesn't everybody have like just go fast yeah yeah exactly it's understanding what takes place when elements are introduced yeah and i think when we talk about adversity take place like that right and when we look at a guy like cars or like we look at a guy like ross or some of these guys and go like man the guys just really fast it's like

it's it's someone that's just there every week whatever what kind of race track we go to or time of the year it is or whatever's going on outside of the race every week going like we got to deal with him again he's just right there again like right at the front what is it well just watching carson you're measured against your teammates and that's from a driver's seat that's that's who you're you have the same equipment now the crew chief might choose a different spring or set up a lot of different variables that they could pick but from Nice to his couple of races. He ran in a extra JRM car in O'Reilly to the Cup car at Legacy and then Spire. He was the fastest teammate everywhere he went. And it started in the truck series and that's carried all the way. He was fast before Spire was fast. Now they're fast with all their, like with Daniel and Michael, like all three cars are towards the front.

Now there's tiers at times of like where like Carson is, wherever Carson is, you can add a few spots and that's where the next car is. And then three more spots back as the third car is what I see on track. I say all this because I have like a great view from right behind them. I mean, like we are trying. But yeah, I mean, it's the truth. And they've cycled up where now all of Spire is fast. But I mean, he was fast before Spire was fast.

And that's where the that's where the intangible comes. And yeah, consistently outperforming your teammates like cars out of the same shop under the same competition management, all that like that's really that's really kind of the yardstick that you're everyone stays in the same equal footing like who's rising above and cars and seems to be doing that with his team ross you've brought up a couple times like we're not as fast you tap your boss on the on the legs hey we're just with a reality so mark uh just for you what is like how do you fix the car if you're if your driver saying hey we're not fast enough to compete against some of these other teams like what is your process to figure out the best way

to make your car faster well in the middle of it right now i mean the sport The sport right now is just fundamentally different than it was in 2022 when this new car came. Because it was a revolutionary new design in the car. And so those first couple years, like it was a very even playing field. And everybody was just learning it and trying to figure it out. And it really played into our strength as an organization. And then over time, some of these big organizations really find ways to maximize little parts of the car, how to get stuff through technical inspection. You know, it's just it's a maturity and evolution of the car.

management of the car. And we as an organization haven't really been at the same pace of some of those those bigger teams that have figured how to fully exploit the speed in the car. And so for us right now, it's about like we have to go, okay, where are we getting beat? Where are the places that these teams are maximizing in the car that we're getting beat? And, you know, looking at ourselves and going, how do we change the organizational structure? How do we invest in tools? How do we staff up in certain areas to take advantage of that? It's not something that happens overnight. Really, it's It's going to take this entire year of 2026 to get ourselves up to where we want to be. And so it's like we're we can't put pressure on ourselves this week to try to figure it out

by this Sunday at Iowa Speedway we're racing. It's like it's more systemic. It's more like, you know, who are the people maybe that need to get moved around? How do we approach our work, the consistency inside the shop? It's like kind of all those like operational things. But we're work like we're working on it every day right now. And I think at this point, you know, we've only got one car that's that's really in the picture for the playoffs this year. It's almost like, okay, that's 2026.

Let's just focus right now on figuring out how to maximize our competitiveness as an organization. So when we go into 2027, we've taken a step up and we're on our way back. But the point is, is that it's just a look, the first year this car came, there were like 19 different winners in 38 races, which was like unprecedented in the sport. And that just shows like where the parody was at. Now it's sort of gone back to where the sport has been the last 20 or 30 years. We have like these two or three organizations that basically are winning all the races. Yeah. And they've used their infrastructure and their tools and all the stuff to figure how to like maximize the car.

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Ross, for you, how frustrating can it be to sit there and say, hey, we have one car that's going pretty much in the playoffs, but our focus in 2026 is to get ready for 2027. As a driver who you're judged on where you place, how you drive, how fast your car is. And then obviously there's going to be another contract. long your contract is, but every race you do, that's going to be put under a microscope. So how is it from you from a season standpoint? Do you feel that frustration when you know your car is not as competitive as it can be against some of these other drivers?

I've been told before in meetings, more closed door stuff that I can get very like, it's hard for people to read me when they're like, especially whenever something's going bad and they're having a conversation with me or they're trying to tell me something that I just kind of stone face it or something and and I don't give them any like physical cues of what I'm thinking. They don't really know how I'm how am I taking in what they're saying. Yeah. And I'll just be honest that the last definitely month I've gotten told I'm not that. Because I'm pulling the fire alarm. Yeah. Like it's it's been pulled and the sirens are going off in our meetings. And we have, you know, we talk amongst the crew chiefs and other drivers.

and engineers of like, okay, what are we feeling in the car and how is that translating what they're seeing? And there's a disconnect there. And so whenever we talk about, okay, what are we going to do going to Iowa this weekend or the next race to Richmond or wherever coming back to Charlotte on the Oval, which is a good thing for, in my opinion, coming back this fall is like, I just need like the car to do one thing. And our cars are like, they're sliding the back and they're sliding the front. So it just, they're very inconsistent. They're not. steady through the corner at all the typical NASCAR comment about his race car as he's loose in, tighten the center and loose off.

That's like your stereotypical race car that that's how it's going to... Can you quickly break down what those three things mean? Yeah, like when you go down the straightaway and you turn in the corner, usually the back slides first. Then once you get all the way in the corner, you haven't turned the wheel, so now you turn it in the front slides and then you touch the throttle and we generally have enough power to slide the back. It takes some time to wear the tires out to where it feels like we have enough power.

but these days, but anyway, that backslide, then front slide, then backslide on exit of the corners. The three kind of the way we break down the corner. And ours sometimes are that. Sometimes they're the opposite. They're tight off the wall. So I turn and it won't turn. And then I lift and I turn sideways and I'm counter steering. And I haven't even gotten really to the corner yet.

So the fire alarm has been pulled by me. And it's not something really that I've ever done in my career where I've gotten vocal inside of our, four walls and sitting here on the bus, I'll be honest with y'all. It's like, Justin knows, like, we've cycled to this spot on the grid, but we're not, it's not okay. We're not complacent. We're not staying here. And that comes from ownership.

That comes from drivers. The other two are saying, in their own words, but we're in unison that it's like, we're not staying here. Shane's two road course wins are not what track house is going to be known for every year. Because Shane can go to these road courses and continue to perform at a high level. level. Conard can as well if it all comes together and I can be right behind them. I know my spot on a road course with my two teammates is going to be speedwise right there right behind them on the long run, but it's not, we're not complacent. So that's what's happening inside of our meeting is like

we're not, we're not okay with how this is how this on track performance is happening right now. Which is good. Like we want everybody in the company to be empowered if they feel a certain way they're frustrated about a certain thing or they want to see something improved like socialize it bring it up let's talk about it yeah because it feels like uh as uncomfortable as this conversation can be with owner and driver it doesn't feel that way sitting on this bus where usually driver would relay to crew chief who relays up the ladder to the owner and then it comes back down playing this big game of telephone even when he's saying some of the stuff I'm thinking oh shit yeah I'm thinking like yeah I'm thinking like I'm gonna feel about those comments yeah yeah all right yeah I put the fucking fire line yeah I'm gonna be sure I'm gonna be sure I'm I think it just comes back to like, we're all in this together. Right. I mean, this is like I, you know, I have org charts and companies, but in my mind philosophically, it's a fully flat org chart. Like we're all pushing the same direction.

We're in this together. I don't build the cars. I don't set the cars up. I just try to provide the opportunity. So like I can't take it personally. Like it's, you know, if the team's not doing well, it's not like I fucked up something, right? It's like just the sport.

The sport's hard and it changes and there's ebbs and flows. And it's like constantly evolving. And, you know, ultimately like I if he's frustrated and he's pulling the fire alarm I'm like okay like what do you need what are you feeling what do you frustrated about like let's figure out let's just be solution oriented here and that's just a work that has to be done knowing the the buck stops with you you being the owner when these say differences of opinion are taking place how are you trying to cipher through and communicate to

the team knowing that you're now in ownership you've been on the business side for a while but you've also been a racer to know that hey what my drivers are saying here is more correct than what your pushback is? Well, I certainly, like, being an owner that has driven for 25 years, like, I know what he's feeling. I know what it feels like to be frustrated. I know what it feels like to win. I know what it feels like, you know, the whole spectrum.

And I think that puts me in a unique position because I'm like, again, I just, I know, I know what he's feeling. So I think I'm better equipped to try to deliver what he or anything. the drivers need um to get better. I would say like is is like we want that discourse in the organization but it has to be solution oriented right like we're not we don't want bitching to bitch we don't want to just complain and that car suck I can't do shit with them and that's it it's like let's talk about we had a great talk two weeks ago leading into indie we're a race at indie and he was like man I'm that it was right before our team meeting and he was like I'm frustrated with this this is what

I want to hear. If I don't hear this, this is, this is what I'm going to advocate for. And like, that's exactly what we need. Right. It's just not complaining, but like, be solution oriented. Let's all like galvanize ourselves together to be like moving in the right direction. This sport is so, I mean, we will go to Iowa this weekend in the entire field, all 40 cars or 36 cars will qualify within four tenths of a second. And so like if he, if he goes and anybody, the person that qualifies 25th, will be two. tens of a second on that lap off the guy that qualifies first. Like these are these are the this this is like the details that we're working in and there's like so much work that goes behind those half a tense,

those hundreds of a second. Um, that it's like we just we we have to be so focused on the details and just have the right culture in the shop and just have everybody moving in the right direction. And I'm as the owner ultimately am like trying to be in a supporting role. Like I'm trying to be behind and under all of it and just be supporting it everywhere. What do you know? need. Like, what do you need? I'll get out of the way. It's just worked for me. Has there ever been a moment where rubber has met the road between you two? And there's been some frictional conversations. I think the closest we got was probably like in the summer of 2022 when when there was a lot of run-ins with Denny Hamlin and with Joey and with Chase Elliott

and these other guys. And and I think the it was the only conversation was like, we're so fast and we have so much opportunity and there's so many races we can win. like let's let's not throw these opportunities away if you're pissed off at another driver if you want to get back at them if you're if you've got some score to settle is if you achieve that is that better than winning the race

because we're here to win the race so maybe let that shit go it was probably the only conversation we've ever had how'd you receive that Ross? Yeah Ross what'd you do how'd that make you feel I've finished better in the races yeah that's ultimately

all that matters. Yeah. One in the race. All the other things. You didn't treat him like like Noah, Gragson? I stay out of that one. I watched the clips just like everybody else. Yeah. It's crazy. I don't know if we ever even talked about that. We don't, do we always have to bring up old fights? They're kind of fun. Yeah, it's kind of fun. Like we're going to go all way around the table here and talk about it. We have to do our homework and sit there and be like, all right, what's happened in your past that we can talk about on this bus? Yeah, it's just like in a bar fight. Yeah. You guys cool now? But you see Noah coming. He comes on the bus. Noah's hitting the gritty.

Like, you know, he's got a lot of vibe to him. A lot of Vegas vibes too. You can just tell this kid's like an ADD poster child. Like he is all over the place. Like military school didn't quite work. No, military school actually had the opposite of what it should have been. Man. And so this guy's just constantly happy. You kind of, you put your golden retriever. Yeah. That's a tough character. The Peeky blinders. Yeah. We've been there. Well, we're not we, but this bus has been there before, the peeky blinders. Yeah. We, listen, we've all been in five.

Right. Right. There's nothing wrong with that. Mine's just in 4K on pit road. Look at that too. Still 20,000 people leaving the grandstands. He's asking me what my problem is. Okay, what was your problem?

I did. Apparently that I wore a hat. Did you bump him as this one of the spin-outs? Off turn four. He was having a better day. We touched. Pause it. Oh, oh shit.

You've taken a boxing class. I know that. No, I grew up. as a chastain and cousin of the bishops i've watched and been in a few but watched many fights um i mean buddy say like listen quick quick quick flush it seems like you're like contact you got to keep looking that's i've learned that that's been yeah you don't look away shout out the guy in the yellow shirt too it seemed like stopping that counter shot coming huh yeah very thankful yeah he might have got a Christmas gift ever since said.

By the way, your beard looks incredible. He grabs you first. That's already assault. I think legally that's already assaults. And then me on the elbow, I've learned trial and error, mainly error, to not, like, if you put your hands on the elbows, you feel the, their swing coming. You feel the movement. And I could feel like his right arm was Twitter, it was going.

Yeah. This is a, where are you guys at now? We walked, that was on a Sunday, Monday morning after that. We walked into the gym. He was a Chevy driver at the time and we worked out together and fist bumped. We shook hands and then worked out

and fist bumped on our way out and have been good ever since. Now, share a couple laughs. It's not lost on me that like if the right opportunity ever came up he wouldn't try to get one back. Even the score.

Oh yeah. So he's got one, or I've got one coming, I guess. But we don't race with him right now. Like how I said that about Spire, like we don't race with the four car. So. It makes it easy to walk.

You don't race with the four car because they're a lot better. They're old. Like the fast of the bus? Yeah. As frustrated as track house has been and not as frustrated as them. Yeah. Does this have a research, like a trailer hitch on the back of the bus? Because they're on the next bus.

Oh, there we go. I hope you heard that. We've had a, yeah, we've had a bunch of running. This is against Seattle. That's Marcus Mariotto running out to the right right there. And that is a nasty hit from Richard Sherman. So you're going to see a big white guy running there. You're going to see Taylor asking what's.

What his problem is. Yeah, that's me asking what his problem is right there. Yeah. So we've been there. I was praised for that. You seem like you're honest. I'm proud of that moment of mine. You're not proud of yours?

No, I mean, look, I just, I'm not a fighter. That's kind of odd to say. Yeah, yeah. But I don't. The House of Chastain, you grew up with the bishops. You've done this your whole life. So you are a fighter. I don't like to get punched.

So I don't want to be in scenarios where I might get punched. I've been punched. I had a plan. And then I got punched in the nose. And I don't ever want that to happen again. So, So that one got away without one coming back because Stan, right? Yeah.

Yep. Stepped in and stopped him. Stans the guy in the gold shirt. Yep. One angle we haven't gotten to explore, Justin being the owner, seeing his driver, seeing this go down. Yeah. Like from your vantage point, is it like you're kind of like hitting the boys in the

group, Chad, hey, did you see my driver? There's got to be, and let me, I want to put words in my mouth. There's got to be two parts, right? Like, oh, my driver's about to get fined. There's probably some sort of effect from an owner standpoint, but clicks, views, track house. Hey, you kind of landed a spruce. Yeah. A fist bump emoji.

That's got, that's another viral moment for us in track house. I, I didn't really have much of a reaction to it besides, you know, I just got, I've got guys are standing up for themselves, which is what I want, right? I would say the only thing now that I'm thinking about it is that I had to have two conversations with sponsors that week that were like, we don't want people representing us that are. getting on fights and television and violence with our logos, you know, and all that kind of stuff. So then as the owner, I have to explain a little bit about the passion and the sport and sort of like the circumstances and like this is not indicative. This is just a highly competitive

sport. Like we all want to win for you. Everybody, we're doing everything we can to have good results for you and the money that you're spending with our team and all that kind of stuff. So like I don't want to say I to like talk them off the ledge, but like as the owner, that's my responsibility. those conversations and everything's fine. But like purely from a competition standpoint, like I don't want anybody in this organization rolling over for anybody. Yeah. We stand up for ourselves.

We fight for our opportunities. We go get it. And Advent help. They were our sponsor. They're over at Legacy Motor Club now with Eric Jones, the King, Richard Petty. But they, they're a faith-based hospital. I mean, you're not fighting like, right? I mean, that's not what we do.

And I had driven for them for several years. though, think about it. Yeah. Sometimes you've got to go old testing. Right. I can tell you that. That's faith-based a little bit, right? But the seventh day event is not, we were not, not a fun conversation.

You guys have read Leviticus? Anyway, yeah. No, no, no, yeah. It's probably not good. Tough conversation. I don't like that comment we just made. And that was busting with the boys that said that, not track house. We don't want to lose sponsorships here.

It wasn't 10 seconds after it happened. I asked Lauren, who's been with me. for a lot of this stuff. And I was like, that's going to cost me. And she said, well, maybe a fine, maybe with sponsorship. Like, I was worried right away, right away. And sponsors end up staying. Yep.

Everybody understands. They know, they know me and it's not going to be a common thing. Did you get a fined? Nope. No fine. Because he grabbed me first. Because he grabbed me first. He grabbed your chest first.

Yep. We all saw. That's assault. And we did have the CEO on. And he was kind of saying, like, if drivers handle it themselves and pit crews aren't getting involved. Notice, no, none of our crew. was in there. They actually turned around and held his crew.

They were, his crew was wanting to pile in and they just said, no, you're not, not going to. Right, right. Stay out of it a little bit, which is probably very difficult for the pit crew. For the CEO who sits on this bus and says, hey, actually, we're not going to find the guys if they want to handle it between themselves as long as there's not like a mass for all that takes place. So you're, you're, you're good to go. Is there a piece of you that feels like, man, I should have swung a little harder because he did kind of eat that. He did. He just looked at me. He closed his eyes. I hit him and he looked at it. And he looked. right at me and I was like oh this is going to hurt yeah I've been I've been in that scenario before where yeah it was coming back my way can I tell you a fun story sure my freshman year at Michigan I'm 254 pounds so I'm very small for an offensive lineman and there's this walk-on offensive lineman and

his name's eric gunnison here's 370 pounds so during camp the first couple of days of pads they put us on a board drill which is basically you put a board down your feet straddle and you hit each other and the goal basically is who can it's sumo wrestling essentially who can push the other one off. Eric Gunderson and I get put up against each other. I'm a four-star athlete. I'm, you know,

I think I'm the shit. This kid's a walk-on. He's paying to go to school and also play football. And he dog walks me. Not once, not twice, but three times in a row. When the third time,

his helmet comes off and just reactionary, I swing as hard as I can. And hit him right here in that like cheek nose area. His head turns and just slowly comes back to me and just looks at me and I thought, oh my God, I'm gonna die here. I'm gonna die. His face can be the last thing I see.

Coaches jump in. He doesn't even react, which is even more scary. I basically have like real life Jason Voorhees is staring at me, ready to kill me. And I told him, there he is right? Now, that's the 75, that's Michael Schofield, but the guy on the pink shirt.

Oh, sorry, the blue shirt. We end up, they as, yeah, yeah. The other blue shirt. Yeah, the other blue shirt. Yeah, the other blue shirt, the white guy with the glasses. I tell him things calm down. I'm like, hey, before we leave college, you get one free one and I won't do anything about it, I promise.

We both redshirt that year and we spent four years together end up being roommates along with a couple other guys in the house. And we are getting after it one night in the middle of summer before our senior year and we're talking about it or whatever. And Gun, I've gotten up to 315 now. Gundy's come down to like 315. He had to lose weight.

I was in a gain weight train. And buddy, he smoked me so hard. I had like a click in my jaw for weeks, weeks and weeks. Couldn't eat right, man. You go to choose something. It was like oatmeal only for a little bit. Yep. But I didn't cry, not until I got to my room by myself.

You know what I said? So anyway. I never told no of that, but yeah. Sometimes you get in fights. Sometimes it happens. It happens. Yeah. Just what about you?

What's the worst fight you've ever been in? The worst fight? Yeah. Physical altercation. Not you. I haven't really, it's not me, man. Yeah. I've not really.

You're a lover, dude. I'm a lover, man. I don't know, yeah. You should have pushed me in America. I want everybody to win. I want everyone to be happy. Even Road America, when you wrecked me, it was like, I just, I knew that you did something dumb and that it was like that you were learning and you were finding your way.

I just like immediately went to a place of peace in my mind about it. I just was like, no, really, honestly. First guy ever knew that drank kombucha. I was like, I get it. I laughed at him. Now I drink it. You know, you drink it's fire, right? Yeah, it's kind of nice.

It's expensive. We used to house it at Whole Foods. Yeah, we did it on tap. Yeah. Yeah, we used to smoke some kombucha, dude. That was money. What about you, Will? What's the worst fight you've ever been in your life?

Really haven't been in any bad ones. They've all been broken up fairly quickly. Which is kind of what you want. Yeah. I'm trying to think, because I haven't been in many. But yeah, kind of the same boat as Justin over here. Just why you don't get along. Peace, man.

That's why we get along. Justin over here, yeah, dude, he's he's one of those cats that's going to be getting emotion, but those are your emotions to hold those are not mine. I try to be very zen. Very, very zen. It's a philosophical stuff about you, dude. Yeah.

I like, that's a California in the other thing is with sponsors, you know, like he's got sponsors on his car, Shane has sponsors on his car, Connor has sponsors on his car. I have all of them. Right. Right. Is the owner of the company, it all comes back to me.

Right. So like, Switzerland, man. Yeah, yeah. Keep the peace everywhere you go. I feel good about that. Do you have any more questions? Oh, I got one for Justin. Justin, zoom out of the box.

We've been in with racing and each year and this, that, the other. Becoming an owner, is there a party? Because, again, this is a track house is a different vibe than the usual traditional way of getting a NASCAR. Is there a part of you that has that chip on your shoulder about going against the establishment and kind of doing it a way that seems to be very rare? I don't have a cell in my body that has anything close to that, honestly. Like I look very inward. I don't take, I really don't try to look at how we stack up against other teams or what

our success over the years, how it resonates with the establishment, or just sort of anything like that. I honestly just 100% keep it within our four walls. right so it's like yeah we've done some great things we've got 16 wins on the board we've got a second place champ you know championship finish we've been in the playoffs every single year great sponsorships you know the bush light the bush light sponsorship with anheiser bush was basically an RFP with every team in the sport and we won that along with some other great sponsors brought red bull back to the sport all those things that that is something that i just

i have a lot of pride in around our people and our mandate our mission is a company And at the end of the day, it's not, it's all like an internal thing. It's like trying to create this environment where we all believe that we're capable of doing great things and, and all just like working together to try to achieve our dreams as a group. And that's, that's kind of where it stops. There's no, there's no, look, I have an unbelievable amount of respect for the, the teams and the team owners in this sport that have won all these championships, right? Rick Hendricks It's got 20 championships or something. Joe Gibbs, Roger Penske.

You know, these guys are the true legends of our sport. And I think what they've done is is sort of untouchable. At the same time, trackhouse is about today. It's about today and what we're doing and trying to go out into the world and work hard and work hard together to go achieve our dreams as a group of right now 200 people. And that's kind of the, that's the extent of it for me. I love that answer. Have you watched our blog when we got to tour Hendrick Motorsports?

No. When did you do it? A couple, like a month ago, a couple weeks ago. Did you go to the new, the new athletic performance? Yeah, that they're talking about combines that they hold, like, I mean, maybe take a peek. Like, it's like a college football facility. I mean, what we don't let, don't let Ross look at it because he's going to be a copping. Can we get a cold tub or something?

What we don't. What we don't have at Trackhouse is that element of legacy. And I think that when you go to Hendrick Motorsports and you walk through there, like you feel history. And when you walk onto that campus, you see all their new stuff. There's still a building in the corner of that property where Hendrick Motorsports started in like 1985. It was like a one car team with Jeff Bodine, maybe was the first driver. And what it's grown into today. And you just think of decades of a dynasty.

That's not Trackhouse's story. We've only been here 10 minutes and we're just trying to do what we can do today and be focused on tomorrow. And then like whatever, however that's viewed in 20 years from now, 30 years from now, it's not really in our minds. Right now it's just about right now it's truly just about what do we have to do to go to Iowa Speedway this Sunday and put on the best performance with our group of people that we can. Yeah, our lobby, like our story, our trophies are from 2022 to now. that's our the hail melon cars in there with the wall

the trophies I have the world the Coke 600 champion Coke 600 trophy at my my house but yeah

other than that like all the all of our storytelling just started in 22 right when we first one that's really when we

you know when Justin bought in is walked in as you know owning that shop and that the entity there

definitely that's that's our story's so short is there commercial grade hyperbaric chamber there's a cold tub there's a sauna yeah cold tub

it's not as nice as the handrick one we got guys there they'll take care of us they'll you know PTs but got some free weights laying around I think our cold tubs like a trash can or something it used to be it was

it was worse yeah yeah yeah but it was it was on wheels it was yeah that was CGR that's gonna be all like when you're old and you bring your great grandkids over to track house

and you're like you should have seen what it was like when we first started. Yep. That's going to be an awesome story. I mean, I came from a farm. So, like,

it's the nicest thing I've ever seen. I grew up on a watermelon farm. Seven generations, eight generations. Yeah. Eight generations. Sorry for cutting you short. Yeah.

I have a question. I have one, before we get you out of here, a lot of sponsors. I don't know how much room is taking place on this car, but how much would it cost to get a busing with the boy sticker on one of these cars? How big? Right there.

Bumper sticker style. I mean, it'd be sick if we could replace the one and it's just busted. Yeah, yeah. How much would it cost for us to get the hood? What's the most, what's the best piece of real estate in the car? The hood? Yeah, well, like the hood and then the side right there next to the number. Yeah, I'm about saying, bus.

That's worth more than this bus. That's, that's pretty good. That's real money. If it's only a little bit more, we're in. That's, I mean, that's real money. That's real money. We're talking about seven figgies. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Get us more than the five. Okay, six. Six per race. Okay, but you're selling packages, though. I'm talking about, is there a package for like a five figures, mid five figures for a whole season to be, have a busing with the boys? This is a sticker. Let's negotiate that off camera. Okay.

That's what you're saying. It's not a know it's a maybe. Yeah. There's always, there's always something we can do for great partners. Yeah. We had a decent reach, too. You could like help out with stuff. Honestly, we have a shit we can do for you. Yeah, we got a little.

Not a lot of people watch it, but the people that do watch our shows, they love it, dude. That sounds like I heard this quote recently, and I've been reusing it. We don't have the best people, but we're doing the best with the people we have. Exactly. And we can come out, we can do a vlog, we can tour your guys facility. And if it's not that good, we can just show a tour of Taylor's house or something. Those are like the big three.

Yeah. Like that's like the Rogans and there's a couple of, we're the track house of podcast. Nice. Like our story only started in 2019. Yeah, love it. Right? What you see around here is what we have. Yeah.

So we have a lot of, we have a lot of, we have a lot of, we have a lot of, on the right. And then we're on the left there. We have, we have a lot of great sponsors, big companies, big investments, multi years. We have a soft spot for our Nashville friends. Twice a year, we do run a Tutsi's car. Hell yeah. So with that being. said, I'm sure we can find a spot for bussing with the boys.

Twice a year. First, track house sponsor. Maybe go, maybe go negotiate it. Hank's down in Franklin, get some coffee. Let's do it. Yeah. I think Cracker Barre 400, do you guys need to rock a busing car. But that's, that's, now we get to a place where. There's your Tutsi's car right there. That does go hard. Could you imagine? I want to get down to the new Panama. They have a spot in Panama City. No doubt. I'm just imagining. Could you imagine putting up a big trophy at the Cracker Barrefour

in 2027? standing on top of a bus and with the boys last car. We've won the race before. We'll put a deck together for you. We'll put a deck together for you guys too. We'll have double decks. Perfect. We'll have a double decker.

Perfect. It's like a national bus. Get your people with our people and then we'll dial it in. We'll close it. We can make like a sick hot wheel just to see what it looks like. Yeah. Start there. Yeah, we'll come in.

Chris Farley him just driving around on his desk for him a little bit. This is what you can be doing, dude. Now, why not? You've been here 10 minutes. Yeah. Guys, thank you, man. This was, this is awesome. I had a lot of fun. I hope you guys for having us. Do you have a good time? Yeah. Absolutely. It's awesome to sit in the bus. I've seen the bus on the YouTube and everything, but it's special to be in here. I've been reading, I've been reading, I've been reading some pretty interesting stickers on the wall. Yeah. You want to repeat all of them. Huh? We got those ones that are covered. Yeah, okay. That's, yeah. You can say whatever you want, but we're not going to have it on the bus, you know? We're not to get you a track house sticker. Well, that's once, that's, you're talking about real estate.

All right. We can negotiate. We can negotiate. Right, right. This will be a tradeout scenario. Right. And just like that, we're in the driver's seat. Please, if you've enjoyed this show,

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