Bussin' With The Boys - Russell Wilson On Sean Payton Fallout, Pete Carroll Relationship & His Hall of Fame Career | Bussin'

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

Recorded: February 6th, 2026 | Welcome back to another episode of Bussin' With The Boys. This week, Will is joined by friend of the show, Clay Matthews. Clay and Will dive into all of the headlines coming out of the NFL Combine from this past weekend. The guys get into what their experience was like at the Combine, for Will, his pro day. The boys get into what they were most nervous about and whether or not Will is more athletic than Clay. Following the intro, Will and Taylor sit down with Super Bowl champion QB Russell Wilson for a real, unfiltered conversation about football, leadership, and the grind of the last few years. The boys kick things off by asking how Russ somehow has time to do everything—business, family, football—and how long he actually wants to keep playing in the NFL. From there, he gets honest about the struggles of the last three seasons. He has bounced around the last couple years and dives into what happened in Denver between him and Sean Payton. Russ breaks down what the quarterback room is like in New York with Jaxon Dart and Jameis Winston. He also talks about his relationship with Pete Carroll while he was in Seattle. Russ gets into how Pete is able to keep his energy so high and what makes him such a great coach. Finally Russ gets into how much longer he wants to play and asks the boys what they did to prepare for life after football. He also gets into what it has been like and how he deals with the critics and “haters” when things aren’t going his way. If you’re into NFL quarterback talk, comeback seasons, leadership, Super Bowl dreams, and behind-the-scenes insight into life as one of the league’s most talked-about players, this one’s for you. Big hugs, tiny kisses. TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro1:44 Clay Is Here4:29 Oliveira v Holloway6:26 Weekend Recap15:19 Is Will A Better Athlete Than Clay?39:34 Clay’s Sponsorships45:34 Will Is Not A Man’s Man53:46 Hardest Running Back/Quarterback To Tackle?1:00:23 Diego Pavia Quote1:04:36 Thoughts On Team Report Cards?1:06:17 NFL Salary Cap Is Getting Crazy1:17:13 Matt Got Bodied1:20:28 #TierTalk 1:46:37 RUSSELL WILSON INTERVIEW STARTS 1:48:36 How Does Russ Have The Time To Do Everything?1:51:46 How Long Does He Want To Play?1:54:26 The Last 3 Years Have Been A Struggle2:01:57 What Happened In Denver?2:11:50 The QB Room With The Giants2:13:29 New York Media vs His Other Stops2:18:38 Pete Carroll’s Energy2:21:04 Trying To Get Back To The Super Bowl2:22:37 Transitioning Out Of Football2:34:55 Dealing With The Haters2:39:34 Bud Light Question See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're going to be talking NFL, NFL, NFL Combine. The World Series of Baseball Classics is this weekend. We have a very special interview with Russell Wilson. He joins us on the bus. But we love bringing the locker room to life through content, through conversations, through all of that. Today is also a very special day outside of the Russell Wilson interview. we have on a different co-host.

Terlouan, our boy is up in the Great White North. He's north of the wall right now, so he is on vacation sitting in his seat. You know him. You know him as Green Bay Packer-Lore. You know his USC Zest. Everybody give it up for Clay Matthews. Thanks, boys.

Hey. Feels right. Feels right, doesn't it? You like the seat? It was good. I'm not in the guest seat. I've moved up a little bit. I appreciate the invite.

But I knew when you reached out. late two nights ago, you needed one thing. You needed me. And that's it. These boys, Taylor and Will, do not reach out to me unless they're- Don't bullshit, dude. We don't have a guest.

And I always come through. When do I hear from you? When you need me? Hey, you just got done moving. Hey, what, who did you use? Do you get a discount? I know. I didn't ask about it.

I didn't ask about a discount. What purse are you thinking by name drop? Will he see? Like, okay, relax, bro. Not that tight yet. Some of my memorabilia is going to be missing, and I'll know why. Yeah. Because of who I hired.

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You love the fight game so much. You watch it every weekend. It doesn't have to be a main event or a pay-per-view. Yeah, I was a little bit like when Theo was known as the guy who watches the early prelims, I'm like, buddy. This should be me. I've been doing this since 19. And you do it for real. Like this isn't, there's no,

there's no theatrical element or like no expectation once Theo gets seen on once. Does he have to be in it all? And every time like, you're like, no, this is. You know, I texted you. I said, hey, if you need some sport, UFC Mexico's on tonight. Moraine over's Kavanaugh.

You did. Yeah. You did, but I've dropped a couple parlays when I blindly ride with you. Oh, yeah. Well, hey, that, you saw the balance. It's at zero right now. We'll wait until next football season.

But you like to, you like to bet during the fight. I do. I'm alive, live better. You're alive better. What you can do on Van Duel? You have thoughts on Holloway, Olivera?

I'm giving it much thought, but I think it's going to be a great fight. I think, man, Holloway is just to look remarkable since he's moved up weight classes. I think, I would like to see Holloway on the ground with Oliver. I want to see them to roll,

just because Oliver is an absolute stud, you know, with his jiu-jitsu. But I know. They get on the ground, it's going to be Olivera, right? Well, I mean, you would say, yes, he's got the, you know,

he's he's dominant probably the most submissions you know something like yeah he's got it but like holloway like they want to see him trading bang and that's what uh olivera has said he's like i'm gonna stand with him i'm gonna get hurt but i'm gonna keep coming yeah didn't work with him when he fought eilia but we'll see should be a good fight jp you got it you got a dog in the fight on this one not really i think i align with clay also i mean charles he's still he's like older in the weight class but he's just been the ufc for so long so it feels like he's older than he actually is yeah And I kind of wonder when he's going to be done. I know he loves the game, but I would love to see if he went out on a win over Max Holloway and then left the gloves.

Because he's not really going to get a title again. I'd have to look at the class he's fighting in because I know that, what is he? Was he 170? He's lightweight, 155. And you're supposed to be the UFC guy right now. Well, the weight classes are all over the place, brother. What's flyweight? Welterweight, middleweight.

I can get you light, heavyweight and heavyweight. but yeah it's it's tough to keep up with those all right so olivera yeah er give me holloway i'm taking hollivera okay holloway by k o'clock okay olivera by submission the blessed i'm just doing you're you're giving you're giving game to the moneyline fans out there the money line matthew fans but hey maybe wait till the wait till you know that first round's underway so we can see how it goes okay you'd hate for him to get them on the ground ah you know those odds start shifting live live odds. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another question for you. Let's get immersive on some Clay Matthews. Since your co-hosts and Busts with the boys today. Mm-hmm. What you've been up to since the locker room, man. Man, I just, you know, that ice storm we had was real. Been doing a lot of cleanup.

Yeah. Got two chainsaws. Chain saws. Shout out steel. They want to hook me up with another one. No free shoutouts. Unless you give me another one. But, yeah, I've been doing a lot of cleanup.

We're also moving, as we talked about. moving homes we bought our home and uh when we moved out here five years ago pretty much sight unseen that's how the market was in 2021 yeah all cash off or way over asking price we got in beautiful neighborhood love kind of where we're at's out in the middle of uh it takes like 25 minutes to get to 65s but we've you know finally to found a home purchased it my wife's been renovating it for over a year now so we're ready to move in and yeah it's been a little difficult you know because i'm Just my personality type. I don't trust people with my stuff.

So whether it's, you know, my firearms, my tools, my memorabil I've been moving up. Your wheel of cheese. Yeah. No, I left that for you boys. That was a gift. You still have it, though, right? Something like that. I think, yeah.

Yeah. We might have donated it. Is that why the mice were coming into the, uh... Yeah, we got, we got freaking mouses now. We got mice. You had mice before I was here. No, bro. This place always stunk.

I'm glad you cleaned it up, though. The wheel of cheese didn't help. No, it didn't help. But it was a gift. You were supposed to bring in tools so we could eat it. And you never brought in tools. You're right. I did say that, but that was an opportunity for you to come save the day.

So no. Just like when you reach out. Actually, you know what? You always do reach out to me to save the day. That's why I'm here sitting down. So I should have brought that. Anyways, getting back to your question, move in. Okay?

We got the kids spring break coming up. Poetry night at the kid's school. Nice. My daughter wrote about basketball. Helped her with that rhyme a little bit. But yeah, man, it's trying to be a good. father and husband seem to be failing at both but uh trying my hardest i know really trying my hardest do you uh do you miss the boys are you pumped to be in the day yeah i'm fired up

i think we were all a little juice yeah clay matthews was great like when i walked in the door was walking through the door stating ovation yeah a lot to talk about there's a lot to talk about why yeah i texted you what do you guys talk about what do we do on the pot of the locker room like i never i've never done a a podcast you know like i mean i mean i sat there and been a guest. But when we do the locker room, we talk about, you know, we give our bad takes. Right. We talk about bad bets.

We talk about ball. But here it's like I said, send me last week's episode, the interview you had with Bryce Harper. And, man, y'all just talk about bullshit for the first like 50 minutes. And I go, all right. Let's hit the headlines. What happened over the weekend? You see what happened in Iran? Joking.

We're joking. We like to have fun on the bus. We like that fun on the bus. I saw this. Supreme Leader's dead. Is that what we're talking about? Yeah, I guess. Oh, sorry, shut up and dribble.

No, you're right. You're right. Stay on. Wait, what's up? What do you want to say? The flames were high this weekend on my grill. I grilled for the first time. Did you?

Yeah. Are you a gas grill? Do you use charcoal? Are you a pellet? Gas now, because it came with the house. But I had a beautiful, what was it? Because JP kind of hooked it up. Trigger.

Peliger. Pit boss. Pit boss. Yep. I had this, what is that? It's got the little pellets in there. It's where you can kind of smoke and more grill. It smells so good.

Hickery. Yeah. But right now, grill and gas grill. Well, we didn't get it after photo, which makes me wonder. Is this? Is this you? This is what you. Yeah, look at that marbling.

You saw that. Bear bones butcher. No free shout-outs to Bear Bonds Butcher. Raid that meat just uncooked, Clay. You think he picked a good cut? I mean, it looks good. real fatty good marbling it definitely isn't kirklin knowing knowing you i'm sure it's organic you know what i'm saying oh my bad i sent that photo to clump too he's like that's a steak yeah it's a good

looking steak that's that's that's what you get a gift for yeah bone in rabbi would you what do you how do you like your steak you go to a restaurant nice medium rare yeah what do you what do you what do you season i actually used again no free shoutouts to a boy but kuso i used uh one of his season is. I'm more of a salt and pepper and just butter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Love a good butter. Yeah. Maybe put some rosemary on. I didn't get in the I didn't get in the weeds like that over the weekend. Yeah. First grill the season. First grill the year. Yeah. But it was beautiful outside. Wait, hang on. What? How did it turn out? It turned out. Even the next day. We had leftovers. Because we did sausages, brought worse, steaks. Ooh. We grilled up some veggies.

Let's go. We just, we just didn't get the after photo. So I was wondering did it, did it turn out? I didn't take an after photo. And like a man stuff got moving. It was good. I swear to God. Swear to God. Hey, I swear boys, I swear. We're still waiting on those ribs that you said you promised us three years ago. Well, I gave the ribs.

The ribs didn't deliver. Ribs didn't deliver. I do I do this like out. Pork ribs or beef ribs? Pork. Okay. I do like a nice fat beef rib though. But for this story, it was, they were pork ribs.

An apple jalapeno smoked ribs. Do you do like a base of, I overcooked them a little bit? Do you do like a base of like, you do like you, you, You rub it in mustard. Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Get the fingers in there. So when I... Trouble the skin, I always struggles to turn off that, what is it, the membrane? Yeah. Fuck. You got to get a paper towel. Get a paper towel and just... Or...

See, I use my fingers and they even slip the whole time. You got to get a nice filet knife. Is this you? Yeah. Looks a little sloppy, but... Can't judge your book by its cover. Yeah, you got to taste them. Yeah.

You got to get your teeth in them. But, uh, yeah. 20-20 COVID ribs right there. Yeah. You weren't having anybody. You probably ate those all yourself. Yeah, yeah. Were you still playing ball at that time?

I mean, obviously that was your offseason, but. 2020? Yeah, I was still in the league. Yeah. I was still in the league. I was still getting it in. Finescing the offseason show up, mercenary during the year. Yeah.

Get the credited year. Bounce. Hold them hostage for the next contract. Yeah. Will we need you? Need you for minimum. Hey. Can't do without no signing bonus.

Yeah. At least 5K. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so where were we? Where were we? Not that topic. If you're all talking about football, and he wants to laugh. I actually have a, I have a Kevin's Natural Foods Clean Take for this week.

Okay. I have a Kevin's Natural Foods clean take this week. Are you sure it's clean? This one might, this. This one's not a Kevin's Natural Food Clean Take. This is just. So put that disclaimer out. Put that this disclaimer out, this is not a Kevin's natural food.

This is a clean thing or whatever. This is a. It's a Willie C shoutout. It's a shout out. It's a shout out. It's a shout out. I don't mind when you're going to and you catch a little rippage. When you're pushing.

We're rippage. Yeah, like there might be a little, might be a little blood in toilet. Brother, what are we talking about here? Like you're talking about our fresh take. I'm assuming you got, you know, the combine's coming up. This isn't a fresh take.

This isn't a clean take. This is a shout out. dirty take my Kevin's natural food by the way I know that we're just passing by that one I don't mind a little struggle when you're going to is anybody why though you like a part of a you like the feeling yeah I don't mind it but it's kind of uh you kind of like the challenge like when you when you pull that piece of toilet paper way and you see the first blood what's going through your head are you so white this might be a little too much I don't mind a challenge but when it gets to where it could be a hernia or a hemroid.

Right. Not a hernia. Matt, you want to speak on that? Nah. Have you all had a hemorrhoid before? Matt has. It's not good.

It's not fun. Did you have to get it removed? Or just say you had to calm down all that play back there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had to put some cream up there and just eventually. Yeah.

Yeah. But that's not, that's not for the, that's not the second. That's not a Kevin Zetrafu. It's just a hemorrhoid take for the betterment. I, yeah. I'm sorry.

saying it's not okay okay if we're gonna do if we're gonna go keep going with shout out no free shout out i do i do have one i my shout out no free shout out to my dad he is retiring this week nice yeah yeah shout out dan shout out dad you deserve it go to florida and just fuck off and don't do anything for a long time yeah let's go shut up papa carsley dan you've met him yeah i know he's a homie i've texted him happy birthday on his birthday yeah yeah We got a good relationship. My Kevin Zetraput clean take is Will Compton is a better tester than Clay Matthews. In what?

Tester, combine. I'd run circles. You weren't even invited to the Combine. How can you have better numbers than me? Pro day. Yeah, pro day. When you can just fabricate your numbers. You can't fabricate your.

Okay. Why didn't you fabricate better numbers? because I had all 32 eyes on me from 32 organizations NFL network No you didn't Yeah we did Not until 2010 when Sue came out

Did people start caring about Nebraska 2009? I was post I was post sue Post 2010 Who was What year did you come out? Defensive MVP

2012 Of what? The Blue Bonnet Bowl Nebraska Yeah Of Nebraska Yeah Brother

I went on Time about time Are you trying to discredit that What? All of it? You're trying to say that's fluff. Your 454 is fluff. No, it's not.

So I asked these boys last night to say, hey, what are we going to talk about? We're going to talk about the Combine. They're like, yo, check out this PDF just so you can run down what current affairs that we might talk about. And I see, all right, they're comparing Clay and Will's numbers. I go, 454. Like, you were scooting if it was 454. I couldn't validate that anywhere. There's one clip online of Nebraska where the clock starts like a half a second after you leave.

Like, it's not official. I see you're watching tape. Yeah. I was because I was like, hey, if you ran a four or five, four, I'll give it to you. Who are you calling you? Dad. Hey, dad? Head strength coach.

Of course he's going to lie for you. He's not going to lie. This is a man of honor and integrity. How would he remember? He hadn't picked up the last three times play. Yeah, all right. Good. Oh, he's easy.

He picked up here. It was live. All right. Coach Dobson, you're on busing with the boys. But we have a question for you. Because everybody... They're all coming after me. They're saying Clay, I got Clay Matthew sitting on the bus.

He's like, I can't validate your 40 time anywhere. So I picked up my phone and I called you. Let these people know what I ran on Pro Day. Well, going into all sub-maximal stuff because you had that hurry of the deal. So we didn't even know what you were going to be able to do at all, especially the ProGility, three calling that kind of deal. Right. But I remember right.

electronic 4-5 fuck it's honestly all we needed but I can't remember exactly what it was but I know your 10

I think was a 151 1 5-1 that would be phenomenal it was 1-4-9 1-9 was me 151 is what he's saying about because that's what

hang on the that's what hung on the wall for the record 10 at line of 111 is the lead 1-51 is the lead yeah he was good he was good

good acceleration but yeah I mean it's legit no bullshit It's a full four, five, four, five, low, whatever the hell it was. I can't remember. Was it a four or something like that? Hey, slow it down.

The clock doesn't even start. That's the lure. See what I'm talking about? Go back. The clock doesn't even start. So I think somebody just put that clock there, bro. But it stops, look at this. It stops.

You're already in a full sprint. It's 0.06. Like every hundredth of a second matters. Dob, I appreciate you because we're all having like a nice silly goose time. We love the bust balls. We're laughing at what you could be saying. but I love how you're carrying this with such professionalism. And you remember it.

And you're a no-nonsense guy. So I appreciate you delivering that news for them. I'm not going to lie about it. It doesn't be actually no good. And I'll be honestly, it surprised the shit out of me, too. Just being out of my... You're the man, I love you. I'll call you on my way home.

All right, brother. Take care. Hey, I love you. He's not going to say it now. Did you hear that? Hey, that's a strength coach right there. He sounded like one. Yeah, that's solid though.

Like, I got to, if you can run in the four-fives, like, so at my pro day, I ran in the four-fives as well, too, hand-time. But I don't know if that's electric. Yeah, hand-time. No, he was saying electronic. There were some of that popped up, 45-4-4-1 on the handheld. When I ran at the combine, it was like 454, 4-5-6, and then when the electronic, it was like 4-6-7. I was like, golly, like, that just jumped back quite considerably. but the 10 yard split is what I've always said.

Like that's my get off, my acceleration, my burst is always what separated me. That's the bread and butter. Especially as a past restaurant. And I was second in the entire combine to Percy Harvin who had a 148 10 yards. No shit. No shit. Yeah. What was your size?

What were your measurable? I was 240, 6, 3 and 58s, 240. It's a specimen. I don't know. I didn't really care about that stuff. You got to get the combine. Oh, right here. You got the hard.

The immeasurables. Yeah. What was your, bring up the numbers again. What was your pro agility? I did well in the, um, the agilities. Oh, you only got 23 reps on 225? Well, I mean, how many, how many did you only get? Well, oh, if you wanted to beat me, you had to get 25.

24? You probably weren't even locking out your elbows. Like I said, I had the coaches on it. I will say I have shorter arms. Okay. Well, that's all right, though. Like, the bench press is so overrated. You know this is a whole gimmick you're doing right now, but like if I can speak candidly, like the bench press, like, as long as you don't shit the bed and get like eight to 10 reps, like you get 18, 20, 25.

And then I think there's also something to be said, unless you're a line, if you're like a linebacker cranking out 35 reps, like, you might be a stiff. That might be too much. Yeah, that's too much. Too much for a linebacker. Yeah, I would agree with that. And then what else? What do you have bunnies? Bunch.

Bunch. Bunchy. I did notice that. You did. He bought over 10, 35 vert. I think I was number, it was, so Aaron Curry out of Wake Forest, dominated the combine. He went number three or four overall to Seattle.

Yeah, he was a top 10. Top 10. Top 10. Top 10. He was like, top five. Yeah. He was a stud. He was like, there was no chasing him.

We had a great class of outside linebackers, like Larry English, Cushing, me. I think they even threw in a buddy from Tennessee. Ayers? Robert Ayers? Yeah. Was that? There was a Tennessee D-N. Might have been Robert Ayers.

Anyway, it was a good class of outside linebackers. I think I might have went fourth or fifth. Was any part of, like, were you and Cush? Like, were you guys secretly just competing? Always. We were always competing. I told that when we sat down, like, we're still, like, he's one of my best good friends. But, like, when we, like, we were always competing, like, who we get drafted first,

who would get the most tackles, who get the most covers. Just for me, like, he was doing that since he came out of, he was that guy coming out of high school. I wasn't. Like I kind of came up towards my last year. I played the first game. We played Virginia. I had a great game. Like, okay, this is a guy late, you know, might sneak in the draft, fifth to seventh

rounder, a couple more games. He might be a third rounder. And then I really benefited from the combine, which I know is going on right now, the pro day, just, you know, just flashing. I was like the new girl. You know what I'm saying? Like, hey, you've been with your girl for four years. You know what she can bring.

But you see that one over there with the long blonde hair. You're like, yeah. Might need to trade up for this one. Long arms, bunnies. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I had good explosive ability. Explosive, explosive? Would you say the combine helped you out a lot?

I know there's always, you know players and everybody just in the football universe. There's always a question of, does the combine matter that much? Listen, I think your game film is truly what matters, especially if you're a starter. But for me, I think it definitely helped out because I only started 10, games, I think eight in my last year, sort of go out there and kind of, you know, put those numbers down that were, I think I was, you know, top five and a lot of them.

It helped me out in the interview process, I'm sure, you know, getting, getting to know somebody, see kind of how they're cut, the cloth they come from, and then position drills as well, just seeing how smooth somebody is. So yeah, I definitely think it helped me out. I met with, man, I was, I met with almost every team out there in Indianapolis.

How nervous were you going in there? I wasn't. I had so much fun. Like, listen, you got to understand. I mean, you kind of know this. I know you got recruited out, you know, out of high school, but I was a walk-on. I was like a nobody. So now all of a sudden they're like,

yo, Clay, Ron Rivera from the San Diego Chargers, defensive coordinator wants to holler at you. You know, the Saints, the this, the that. I don't even think I met with the Packers, just because they had the ninth overall pick. But I had a blast doing it, too. Plus, it was cool, just that fraternity, just being from a football family,

Everybody either knew my uncle or dad or this and that. So, you know, it was, I really enjoyed it. You felt like you're playing with House Money. I mean, I felt good. I felt confident. That's awesome. I felt comfortable. I was a nervous wreck on Pro Day.

Yeah, I mean, I was nervous, but like, you know, I don't know. You know how it is. You're always nervous. You always got butterflies. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you were that guy. You were Nebraska MVP. Yeah, that is facts.

That's facts. You were that guy. It is facts. I was your special team's MVP. Oh, this was training before I learned how to run on my toes. That's probably why I hit a 4, 6, 7. Yeah.

Yeah. But the hair was still looking good. I was so good. Ah, Lee, what am I, my 21 and now I'm 39? You know what I'm saying? Dude, I was so... I was so tight. I was so tight when I didn't get invited to the combine.

You should have been. I was so tight, bro. You probably should have gone for me. You know what I'm saying? Well, I still went on draft. Yeah, but maybe you could have got a few extra jobs. If I would have got, maybe if I would have been part of the combine group, like the number of guys. What teams, what teams wanted you after?

Like post-draft? Yeah. Like the free agency stuff? Or did anyone talk to you before, like your agent saying, hey, if you don't get drafted, we'd love to have you. Dude, so the San Diego Chargers call the second day early. Just talking about being interested, not like drafting me or anything like that. But in my brain, I'm like, oh, shit. charges might get me in one of these picks.

This is day two. They'd have drafted Manti Teo that the top of the second day because Teo has fallen to the beginning of the second round. Yeah. And then throughout the process, it was Washington called Vikings, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Chicago Bears. Those are the teams that were kind of like reaching out, especially like toward the end of the draft.

How'd you end up going to the rest of? They offered the most money. Did you felt like... My agent called me and said, you're going to be a Washington Redskin. Like that, like, once the draft got over, like he called me and told me, hey, here are the teams that are interested. I was very much like, man, it would be sick to go to Tampa. I was even telling him, it'd be cool to go to Tampa because Levanté is there, playing with

Levantay again. And then he called me back within five minutes, like, congratulations, you're going to be Washington Redskin. Oh, do. $5,000 signing bonus. The others are $2,500. So we took the Washington. Do you with...

Money, man. Do you wish in hindsight of those teams, like, and we're just playing the game now, like maybe if you went to Chicago, you could have been one of those monsters of the midway, you went to Tampa, maybe you could have played off. The next or lack of it. You know, yeah. Like, do you wish or like it is what it is. I do wish I would have got to play with Levante again.

I think that would be sick. Did he go to Nebraska? Levante? Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't know that. He was a juco cat. He came for two years.

And after his two years, he's like in the top three in tackles of all time in Nebraska within two years of playing. Yeah. I mean, he's still doing it. monster. Yeah. He's a monster. But that would have been sick to play with him.

Chicago would have just been cool just because of like a vicinity, like not going too far away. Because Nebraska was like seven, eight hours away from home, which was nice. And then like going on the coast, like I was nervous about that just because completely new territory, new environment. But yeah, I mean, I wouldn't have. Obviously, I loved the career that I had. But if I, if I got to choose, it would have been like Tampa Bay.

Just because of Levante playing with Levante again. I thought you went there just because they were called the Red skins and just knowing how much of a racist he is he was like yeah yeah oh we're joking we like the bus balls on the ball yeah joking no i got a question what portion of the combine would the average american struggle the most with like the average american yeah just like your most middle of the road athletic american just the most average guy out there what portion of the combine are they struggling with the most where are they gonna really have the wall they got to climb over oh i would say bench there's probably a handful that probably couldn't even do 225

yeah i would think naturally get buried look like oh boy did you see that clip going viral no dude took off what was it 425 or 405 yeah took it off the racket and just collapsed his his wrist snapped is that what happened yeah if you go look at it you'll see his wrist snap and then not like snap snap but the bar slips out of him you can see them you can see them been backwards and it falls straight on his sternum. Do we know if the kid's okay? I think so, but... But who cares?

It's viral. So, like, you know, you cut... Whenever people get hurt, you just cut the video and you're like, and you get a good laugh. Yeah, but, bro. That's all the internet works, right? No, no doubt. No doubt. Like, we had our phone, but part of me is like, I wonder how he turned out.

Like, that bar damn near caved into his spine, bro. I'm also getting to the point in, like, life where, like, why are you doing so much weight? Like, you never need to do that much weight on the bench press. But this is a high schooler. Even more so. Like, you don't mean. He's trying to be the next clay now. Yeah, he's trying to be you.

I understand. Think of how driven you were trying to put weight on the bar. There's a fine line between pushing yourself and just doing too much. But maybe he's a, I mean, when you got that. No, he's ill, he's, he's, he just lost, he just lost control. Oh, he's good. He's good. He's not proper spotting.

Oh, look it off big guy. Who is it fault more here, though? The guy's ego thinking he could do 425 or his friends not properly spotting him. Yeah. They should have two guys on the side of the, on the, on the barbell. Even when you're there, like, to, you know, to catch it like that, I feel like it's darn near. You wouldn't have caught it, but you'd have still been there to help absorb a little bit. Because, you know, when you're maxing out, when you're, when you got the, when you're going after it, you got, yeah, you got three spotters there.

I feel like that's tough, though, because when you are maxed out, you're like, don't fucking touch it. Let me get it myself. You know what I mean? But he wasn't even in that. Like, it just, it was a free fall. That's why I feel like you're not ready as a spotter, though. Like, when he takes it off. if you're expecting him to at least get it down and struggle

you're not expecting that thing to just crush but you're still you're still around right you're right could have helped a little yeah but man hope he's hope he's okay that's a broken rib for a four oh it's broken something shattered his sternum had to

yeah lungs right had to like that's 400 pounds free falling like there was no eccentric or anything it just dropped on him it just dropped on him what up So I was just going to say, you go back to these numbers. So you were flying on the 40.

Yeah, I was a white boy with motion. How did that translate to the NFL game? Were you the first one down on kickoff? I was great, but no, no, no, no, no. I was a flowbacker on kickoff. That's why I said, clean take, better tester than Clay Matthews. I don't know. Game film.

I still had better numbers, though. Clay Matthews. Like, let's just call a spade a spade. My 4-5 wasn't translating at all times on the football field. I can, I'm an old dog. I'm 36, it's over. I just got a dex of last week. I'm 27% body fat.

Over 600 grams of visceral fat. Like, I got some work to do. Yeah. Don't worry. I sat down and pulled my belt up a little bit right there. And I hate these pants. These are those pants where I got the smallest bowls. Like, I don't got nothing.

I got a small peter. I'm fat, dude. Small peter. lose some weight. You'll be looking like, who's that? See, I just started a night in the Seven Kingdoms.

God, the beginning of episode two. Golly, GOT, living up to their reputation. Just show and dong all the time. Right out of the gauge. Right. I'm like, whoa, I was in bed with my wife. I was turning a little bit. That's not real, baby.

Are you into that, dude? Yeah. That's too much, right? But yeah, my 4-5, I wasn't running a 4-5 speed on kickoff flying down. Now, I was head hunting, but I was a flowbacker. So you'd have the faster cats. I'd set it out for you.

Yeah, yeah. If I was at the L4, you'd need the 3 to be the guy that kind of goes in front of me and I'd stack him. I was an L4. I think I was like L4L3. See, then I'd be the 5. If you were a 4 and you were humming faster than me, I'd be a 5 and it'd be like you're the, you go, you go see ball, get ball and I'm flowing off. I'm kind of reading me.

I see, that's what I loved about my inside back or two. Having played, you know, on the D-line, so to speak, like understanding how my 03 and five tech work. I'm like, just go be decisive. Be decisive. I'm a good enough athlete where I'm going to read off you. Don't worry about, you know what I'm saying? That's why guys like AD I mean, now they're Aaron Donald incredibly gifted to do what they do, but just

being decisive if they're hitting back doors, even JJ Watt, like just be decisive. Right, right. Just make a move. Back, let you hunt. And the minute I see whatever the block is, I'm trying to scrape off that dude's ass. She's ball hit ball. It's a shame. We never got to see that in the league, man. Both of us together.

Oh, being Clay, Herman. Yeah, imagine. Him and the L3 So in 2019 Who were you with? Because I was a three agent after the 18 season The Raiders Might be the Raiders?

I should have signed with the Raiders 2000 I can't remember Yeah, you'd have been nice on the Raiders Damn We probably won like three or four games Dude us in the silver and black Number one their unies go so hard

They do But you with the flow going And what do you mean three to four games Can you leave them to the playoff Plus three to four games What happened? 19 We said you would only won three to four games

With the Raiders Then you leave them to the playoffs? Yeah, we were at a sink or swim. Wait, what year was that when a car, until he broke his ankle, like they were rolling, the Raiders were rolling. That was before me. That was before. Okay. But this one right here, this was 20, 21, I believe.

When I got there, it was sink or swim. Like, that's when they fired Gruden and they needed somebody to come in and help write the ship and get us to the playoffs. That was you. Yeah. A couple double teams on kickoff return, K-O-R. Just eating up dope. Look at that. It was fun, though.

That was a year. Mentoring Max Crosby. Yeah, mentoring Max Crosby, absolutely. That was a year too because JP and a couple of the boys came out to Vegas and that was one where I was like that year, because that was the last year I played, that was one where I was like, I am playing with house money.

That was one where I was like, I just loved playing and being around everybody because I knew that this was it. Right. That's what I had. So 19 was your last year? 2021. Sorry, 2021. Yeah, that's what I meant.

I got cut twice. one week on that year. Damn. Got cut. There was a snow, there was like a snowstorm in Nashville, so my flight got delayed, so I couldn't fly out that day. Next morning I wake up to go ahead to my flight. Basatchez on the phone.

He's like, hey, are you still in town? I was like, yeah, he's like, somebody popped for COVID. He's like, would you want to? He's like, now look, we gave you this week's pay. Like they did, they did right by me. They gave me this week's pay. They waited to cut me on Wednesday, so that way I got the week. You'd essentially be playing for free, but would you want to play?

And I was like, hell yeah. Hell yeah. It was the winning get-in game against the Chargers. Oh, you got to. And then right after we beat the Chargers, it was, hey, if I had control the roster, you'd still be with this in the playoffs. Is that Bessatia?

Is that who just left the Packers? He was the Packers Special Teams coordinator? Did he leave the Packers? Yeah. Dang, yeah. Was there any reason why? You just say he was just taking a leave? Yeah, was his like not one to coach him more?

Well, the Packer Special teams have been. They've been tough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As far as results, going everything else. Bessachi is a goon, bro. Yeah, he's a beast, man. He's a fucking, he's a leader. Okay.

He's a leader. He's a good one. He's a good one. But, yeah, Besotchi was the interim head coach. And then after that year, because when they fired Gruden, that was when they were having, like, a solid year. We ended up winning a lot of games on the back half to where he was up for the head coaching job. And then that's when they went and got McDaniels.

Right. Then when McDaniels gets fired in the middle of the year, then they hired Pierce. Yeah, Antonio Pierce. Antonio Pierce. Because they're in another situation of do we hire the interim head coach. They just won the back half of the year. Not to make this a big Raiders podcast. Who are they taking them the first overall?

Fernando Mendoza. For Nana Mendoza. But some, yeah, some Las Vegas Raiders lore right there. Well, you got a brick, right? Don't you get a brick if you play for the Raiders? Yeah. Dude, they're alumni. Their alumni, club, whatever.

They're the best in the league. They still send me stuff on Christmas, on my birthday. Dude, I'm boys with Donald Penn. I haven't seen him a while because we used to train in California, tackle, play for Tampa and then the Raiders. But yeah, he's always, it seems like he's more of a Raider. I don't know how long he played with the two teams than he is a buck, but I always see he's got like a brick that he posts,

and he's always going to like Raiders, alumni. If you played on the squad, you have a brick at their new stadium. Well, even when they hired the new coach, you had like Charles White, I think, was it Charles White or? Charles Woodson, man, I'm forgetting, I'm disgracing myself to USC, but all those great raiders, there's like three great raiders that were behind, how we long, behind their new coach that they hired. It's because their fan base is incredible, their organization as far as like their alumni association taking care of guys. Like they're communicate with guys essentially all year round.

They're the only ones that kind of out of the three teams I played for that follow up and do. So when you retired, who did you retire? What organization did you retire as? I just retired a man of the NFL. You know what I mean? Yeah, just journeyman. Journeyman. You still got a one day waiting for you when you do want to make the decision.

Whoever wants to sign me for a one day contract. Yeah. I'm up for grabs. But I'm a man of the, I'm a man of the shield. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah. I do. Protect the shield. Protect the shield at all costs. What other other storylines I felt like was coming out of the combine, Coach Glenn, Aaron Glenn, falling asleep. if you see him get caught.

To me, I'm like, you know, that's a, that's a, you're, you're there forever. Yeah, we, we, this all happened when we were sitting in meetings, too, and coach was talking. It's just, it's a bad look when you're on camera, especially with everything that's coming out of that organization in light of recent years, like, it's not a good look, but the reality is, like, I don't think anybody really cares. Although I will say, they do have the second overall pick and they're watching like pass rushers. Like, maybe just, you know, fall asleep. Just knowing that, A, Coach Glenn, the microscope is on you at all times.

Yeah. Gotta be prepared. Yeah. Because his reaction was fun. It was fun to kind of shirt to, oh, shit, I'm on TV. Let's see if the camera's still on me. Oh, camera's still on me. Let's dial it in.

I bet you the cameraman was a Patriots fan. That's what I'm thinking. Like, he's got him. He's like, cut the camera four. Oh, look at this hair. This flow right here. What's this young man's name? I know he's out of Iowa.

The one with the red hair mullet? Yeah. Unbelievable. Do we know his name? I forget his name. Outside. Whenever I see that video. but don't know his name.

Yeah, yeah. Dude, have you ever seen that, have you guys ever seen that one coach? He coaches up like middle school and high school alignment and he just tears into these kids. Like, get your hips moving. Like, yeah. And bro, these kids are horrible.

And all I can picture watching that video is that guy's voice underneath it. You've got to know this dude. I'm sure I've seen that stuff. Jennings Dunker is his name. Jennings Dunker. What a name. Oh, yes.

What a name. He'll be drafted on. that mop alone. You'll get some kind of deal. I mean, head and shoulders. That was Troy. Uh-oh. Oh, which one were you? Uh, I was suave. Oh. I just so, so, so, so head and shoulders was so we bring, am I bringing a beef right now? No, no, no, no, well, beef between the two parent companies between Unilever and Proctor and Gamble. Okay. So like, so they own a number of, no, I remember like it just you're either, you're either in bed with one or the other and eventually I got back in good graces with Proctor and Gamble.

Okay. Yeah, because if you're like a Unilever guy or Procter and Gay, how quickly did you get a deal with this shower company? With the shower company. I think heading into, I want to say, going in my second year, like after my rookie year, because there was a dope, like, you know, you have to be an NFL paid sponsor, endorser in order to, you know, show the, you know, the Packers logo or whatever. whatever it is, but we had just won the Super Bowl.

And it was, it was from Swab and it was like a full page. I'm going to say, like New York Times says, congratulations. You know, Clay Matthews, you are head and shoulders above the rest. And it was me just like flexing on a big, yeah, with big suave bottles and stuff. They got a cease and desist, but, hey, it's over. Head and shoulders above the rest. Move already been made. Yeah.

Damage was done. Yeah. Man, that's awesome. I could see him getting like, it's crazy to me. Some of the kids that go like into the league already having some. something that's like defining them is that dude's clearly it's his hair like he know and he knows it's awesome yeah now we had um uh we have muscle i have muscle milk too muscle milk uh i had it everywhere there was a bible there was muscle milk i had my walk on t-shirt before

michael chandler you know it had to walk on but uh we got some good money out of that and they're good USC people yeah muscle milk matthews yeah muscle milk matthews so yeah you see this like right here like muscle milk like they're not a league sponsor So you kind of have to, you know, like you can't make it look too much like the Packers. Right, just the colors, default colors. Give me strength to blitz faster to stop the past, to win it all. Muscle milk. I love that, dude.

I love muscle milk. Shout out muscle milk. Always few shoutouts for life. They got something new coming out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys shoot them the clips just want you guys know. Just in case anybody's watching. I'm still working for you.

That was a great. shoot right there. Sang Bill Withers right there while filming that. Oh, well, that's up for... That might have been from Musselville. You ever feel like you got... What's up? You saw the photo.

You ever feel like you got caught up too much in the fame? No, I think I maximized it. I think right when I came in is when they started getting athletes. Athletes were moving into that that round, whatever you want to call it, doing.

But it was mainly like power balance, Nike, muscle milk, you know, stuff like that. Pioneer. We're watching movie star. That's what I'm saying. When you did the movie, the Magic Mike movie, that's... I wish I did Magic Mike, brother. That's a great movie. The first one?

Magic Mike was what they offered you, Will. That's right. You get confused. Channing Tatum? Pitch perfect. Like when you did pitch perfect, were you kind of... See, but I wouldn't even clamor for that. Have I already spoken on this?

I don't want to repeat myself of how it came to be. But the offensive linemen for the Packers were like the biggest pitch perfect fans. And I might have seen it. Might have not have. I was like, oh, cool. It's like this fun Acapella movie. And then they were like DMing Elizabeth Banks who I think her husband or maybe her produced the movie. And somehow her husband was a fan and they wanted us in the second one.

And so they sent a script. I'm like, no way this is real. The David Bactiari. He was the one spearheading it. And next thing, you know, we're down in. some Shreveport maybe in Louisiana for like three days recording and filming it was a lot of fun it was cool it was just a different world like we went to the premiere we all slouched down in our seas because we were so embarrassed like singing uh booty booty licious but I love it I have more

people come to me now and be like I saw you in pitch perfect than they do like I saw you win a Super Bowl I don't care about that anymore this a Hollywood lives on forever yeah is there anything you said no to that you wish you would have said yes to looking back now uh the one thing that I've noticed though is like even with the show is like I always tried to be aware of my brand like what and I do think authenticity sells this is why like Gronkowski and Marshaun Lynch they are who they are but but they sell um I think I like y'all you know like R oh what is it R or stuff like you'd be like the row oh yeah like there's some stuff where you go I can't do that but it's like you know there was nothing I really said no to maybe maybe there was but maybe it never got to me but you know. There's something you were trying to get, but you didn't get? I wanted to be head and shoulders, like, opposite with Troy. But then it was like they went to Odell after. Like, I thought it would be perfect, like, because he had the black hair.

I had the blonde hair. You know, I thought it was just, it was easy marketing. But, uh, I don't, I don't think so. What about what you're wearing right now? Carhart, Carhart sent me some stuff. They've been good to me. Uh, they sent me some stuff. Yeah.

You only work with Riley Green. I got to be a music singer Yeah And just Hey I'm pop And just a sex pistol dude He's such a good looking dude Like that that just is what it is

Yeah but can he operate a chainsaw Oh yeah He's sponsored by cat Hey can he fell it Damn cat Yeah That's what I want Like I'm in the phase of that

Of my life now Where if like I can get a tractor Shout out John Deer Cabota You know anyone else that's watching You know No Riley's a man's man You might be thinking And he could he be too much of a pretty boy to swing a chainsaw?

Like that's it, that's a. He was doing construction before he got famous. Yeah. Like I was watching you in Hawaii like do cannonballs and I'm over there chopping up. I'm chopping up firewood in the backyard, you know, from the storm. So like you talk about a man's man. I'm just like, I feel like, you know, I tell my wife she's lucky. You know what I'm saying?

I remind her all the time. She married a man. I did the same thing yesterday when I got them putting that wall mount up in the garage. Brother. I tell my wife, sweetheart, you are lucky. You can't use those anchors. Those anchors will not hold those little plastic anchors you tap in. I'm telling you right now, that's trash.

That's what the instructions told me to do. Okay. Charm, did you get this man a stud finder? I did. Okay. I got one in my new little toolkit, too, that the builder gave me. It said two Willie one shelf. Congratulations on your house and your first tool set.

Okay, you've got to find the studs first. You always want to anchor into some studs. Okay, the drywall will not hold. Number one. Hey, time about, time about. But the stud is the board. The board. You were talking about the thick.

Like, I couldn't even understand what you were talking about. Studs are the two-by-fours in the wall. They go up and down vertical. Listen, when you're building shit and you're going through and you're trying to find it by hitting the... And then you feel the... That's a stud. That's a stud. But you should probably...

Well, that's why you've got to get the stud finer because sometimes it could be electrical in there. I did see some comments about some electrical and then somebody else was body back. it ain't happening in Nashville. This ain't no northeast bullshit. He said something. I saw people bicker at the water. Well, I saw you body bag of grandma and her first comment.

She had to get it. She had to get it. Yeah. Up to no good. She knew how to hang a shelf. Yeah. Did you have a level? Did you have a leveler?

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you got to have that. Like a magnetic one where I'll put it on and it'll like magnetized to the. Do you have different, but you got to have different sizes too

depending on the length of, you know, 48 inches, 72, get you a small one, magnetized. You're talking about a leveler? Yeah, a leveler. I just put, one on each on each one. With the little bubble ones they give you?

The one that came in my tool set. Milwaukee. Great city. Yeah. Out of Wisconsin. Yeah, yeah. I got the power drills. I got the ruler, the tape measure.

It looked good. The leveler. I just worry with the wear and tear of you picking up and putting the shovel on and whatever, the broom you have that over time is going to get a little loose. Now, why is that? Because that's what came in the box. It doesn't matter what came in the box. You've got to know.

how to affix this tool holder to the wall. It's part of being a man's man. Okay. And I'm down. Listen, I'm down to say I haven't been a man's man thought the course of my life. And I'm learning to be a fucking man's man. But you got to, instead of talking down to me and discrediting the work that I just put in on that garage because it's, stuff's hanging right now.

And it's hanging fine. But what are you talking about? Like, when I put in them little plastic things, it's the drywall, go straight through like, okay, the screw's not going to go on right here. I need something to fit it. What do I put in? Okay. Get a better anchor.

One that, like I wouldn't know the terminology for right now. One that kind of flays in the back and pulls up against the drywall. That holds 50 to 75 pounds. Maybe they got a 75 to 100. Just a little bit more wear and tear. A little stronger. Okay. So that way your bolt's going to be a little stronger.

So you're a little longer. A little stronger. I don't know what Cherm's doing. I'll do a commercial. So you're giving me game within the game. Hey, whatever comes, whatever like little tools or whatever comes. With the ones with the set, don't use that. I need to get my own shit.

Yes. Go down to Ace Hardware, no free shot at's Ace Hardware, and get my own, like, anchors that would go in. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of the plastic ones you put in the wall. Like the ones that you drill 5-8 inch hole, you kind of tap in the plastic. Yeah. They either go all the way through. You end up stripping the plastic because you're tightening it too tight, or you can't get it tightened up.

But you're giving me game right now. I didn't know that there's other options. I wish you would come to me and ask for help. Well, that's why I see the internet. that sometimes you got to show the failure in front of them you I can be the butt of the joke they can all laugh at me top oh screws nails I didn't know what I was talking about but that's next time and next time I will if it's something serious I'm hanging out this little wall mount yeah I can figure this out all these little packages of screws and everything else is the best teacher so I'm glad you

took it upon yourself to do it now let me ask you this yes sir when it is a stud yeah the thick part you don't need nothing nothing that's where you just go the screw right through it now if you're doing, if you're doing, if you're hanging something really heavy, you got to get some blocking in between those two by fours. Okay. So. It's a lag bowl. Horizontal.

Don't just say things. All right. Don't he said, don't just. Hey, get some walking in there, right? We take our garage organization seriously. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Nothing worse than a garage or stuff just sitting in the corner. I want it on the walls on the, wait until you get the bikes on the ceilings. That is what I'm looking into next. Now, I don't have a lot of bikes. I just got Ruse bike. But I do want to hang it. because I hate seeing the clutter all around the garage. Well, you know what I bought is I just bought like a bike stand, you know, like ones you'd have at the school.

Yeah. Since we got a few children at the house. Like we just put mom and dad's bikes and the three kids just in that. It just keeps it a little tidier than putting it on the ceiling because then you're always going to have to get it down. Yeah. Yeah. Send us a picture of your garage. We'll put it up.

Well, we're moving right now. But I could. Yeah. We need a picture of Clay Matthew's garage. Did you get the ground fixed? Like you can't just have bare concrete, right? Oh, I got the. What is it?

Yeah. Well, is it called? Hypoxy or? Hypoxy. That's, yeah, hypoxy. Hypoxia? Like at Mount Everest? E, with an E, epoxy.

I got some epoxy. You talk about the flooring, right? Yeah, looks good. Throw a little chip on it. Because Sorenex is coming in later this month. I'll have the rubber down on one side, but we'll get the garage over. I'm going to talk to you with Sorenex, okay? Okay.

My wife says I got, I got the dumbbells. They're just, they're sticking out too far. I got five to one hundred and five pound increment. she wants a vertical, you know, because the space is a little tight in the gym right now. She doesn't like how it's... It's taking up too much, too much of a footprint. Okay. So I need Soren X to come through, help the kid out.

Yeah, yeah. We can get that worked on. Yeah. We'll get that work on. Yeah. I'd hate to go to rogue, you know, and get something that they have. No, can't do rogue. No rogue.

I'm just saying. Like, I'd hate to do that. No, no rogue. Communist do rogue. You want a full-blooded Americans. So many shoutouts. I love this. You guys just sit here and say what you like

and then they'll just come to you and just give you stuff. This is great. This is the whole point of having a podcast. But yeah, I was going to say this is podcasting. Like we just, we sit around on bullshit. Yeah. Like we got a phenomenal Russell Wilson interview coming up. Then I'm sure whoever's tapped in.

Like they're going to. Since I wasn't a part of it, can I, I know the viewers have to wait. I don't want to. How to go. What did we talk about? His entire career getting there as like a third rounder, beating out Matt Flynn, who they gave a bunch of money to.

We didn't have a Super Bowl. We only had... Throw in the pass. Yep. We only had 45 minutes with him. But I walked away from that interview, having a new perspective and appreciate... Yeah, yeah, respect for Russell Wilson. Not that I didn't have any, but he even called us on.

He's like, I know you guys have talked shit on me. Clay, how long in this interview of 45 minutes do you think it took Will Compton to bring up that he picked off Russell Wilson? How many minutes in do you think? And there's a 45 minute. I mean, probably three and a half to five minutes. On the nose. Three and a half? I think it was three minutes in.

In my time, because I had three minutes. I told him, I said you're one of my three. Yeah, that's what you just won in my three. And then Russ is like, cool. He said I jukeed you out or something. He said something. He turned back in. Yeah, he tried saying he like jukeed me or something like that.

Maybe, who knows? And in the clip, I just, I made it. And then it just kind of goes into some of your highlights against the, against the Seahawks. And you have this nice tackle on Beast Mode that not a lot of people are talking about. Hey. Hey, you found, yeah. You found that left foot, clipped his ankle, down. Nobody else got him.

They just. I don't know what the script is, but who, for the show, but who, I love having this conversation. Who is the most difficult running back for you to tackle? Because you talk about beast mode. It was look, look up running back for the Browns in 2000 and 15 or 16. Peyton Hillis? No, no, no. Crowell.

You're really going to sit here and not say Melvin Gordon? He didn't put his hands on him. Yeah, I couldn't get my hands on Melvin Gordon. No. But I would say like as far as like feeling it. It was Crowell and Chubb. The dudes from the Browns. Like Chubb tackling him, the tree trunks he has for legs.

You felt it as you're like slipping down the tackle. We played, I mean, obviously playing the NFC North, like Adrian Peterson, I say, was by far the best back I've ever played against. He could do it all. They didn't really pass to him out of the backfield. But like, he could hit the perimeter, you know, he could be patient. And then getting him, he'll run you over, hurdle you. It was incredible. But money, Marsha.

I'm sure, because you face AP too, like in his heyday. I never, fortunately, never had to go against AP. Yeah, he was a dog. But Marant, Marant, he was tough to bring down. Yeah, Marant was tough. Yeah, Marcia was tough. You catch him in the hole and he was just, shoot already. And then you try and get him down, he just wouldn't go down.

He was a stud. He was probably the most difficult for me to get down. Yeah, but the couple I remember just like falling down and like just remembering the feeling. It was like Crowell and Nick Chub. Interesting. What about quarterbacks of sack? Which one was your most difficult? I only had one.

San Bradford. Sam Bradford? Who'd you get close to? That was your sack, San Bradford? Yeah, that was my one sag. He didn't even move that. No, not. I hit the dab and everything.

I had a big play. It was a massive celebration. Who did I get close to? I don't know. None of them. I always hated being like a free runner because I always felt like they could just, they could like make a move.

I don't, do you know what I'm talking about? I do. They kind of know that you're coming. Well, I'll tell you what. You try to not get tackled. No, but it's like, but when you're getting coached on it, it's like, oh, take away the upfield or you got to approach them this way and it's just like, bro. Well, makes you a great tackler in the box, especially on quarterbacks, past resters,

breaking down, you know, taking away their upfield. There's a, there's a technique to tackling quarterbacks and not just, you know, selling out and missing, lowering your, you know, pad level. Like you actually want to grab them, almost like a lion takes down its prey. You want to like jump on their back and bring them down. But I hated open field tackles because my whole life was past rushing. So you're in this little box. Everything is quick twitch.

You know, you're trying to grab people. You're working off fights. And then you're an open field. And you're like, it's saying. Because then when you get off a block, you're relatively close to the quarterback. But like they always tell you like, shoot you shot. You're like, no, you got to break down. Then you get embarrassed.

And you're like, where's my help at? Yeah. Or you break down too much. your feet stop and you're pausing the footage right there. I feel you, bro. Who is your hardest quarterback to sack? On a big band. Big band wore such a baggy jersey that if you could hold onto it, you could get him down.

But probably Cam, Cam, or, like, Cam, Cam, was tough. I missed, like, a few sacks on him. Yeah, he was just so big. Yeah, just a stud of an athlete. Just shrugged. No, I got after Mike Vick a few times. Ooh. No, not like a neck.

That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, Mike's still Mike Vick. And forgive me, because like I said, I know I was a guest, but in week one in 2010, we were playing the Philadelphia Eagles and their Kelly Green uniforms. And Kevin Cobb was a quarterback. And I get a sack on him. He hits his head on the turf.

And then Mike Vick comes in. And dude, this guy went off on us. That set up Mike Vic to get his payday and to be the starting quarterback. We ended up seeing him in the playoffs. So I got one sack on him then, and I got another sack on him in the playoffs. But just chasing him was a nightmare. I mean, he was, and I grew up watching this guy. You know what I'm saying?

It was like, I was, I was sacked him one time. I was like, what's up, Mike Vick? You know, I trying to help him while up. Same with Brett Farf. I mean, he wasn't obviously the athlete, but I was always helping him off. I just, I had a level of respect and appreciation for a lot of the guys. Did you play Madden growing up? I was a 2K guy, a dream cast, a game cast.

2K was nice once upon a time. You got the reference, yeah. 2K was nice once upon a time. But I'm remembering, what was it Madden O4 when Vic was just? C-code. Yeah, nasty. He inspired a whole generation of young sports fans. Yeah, yeah, he did.

To, yes. Clay? Sorry. Just saying. I don't do that, man. No, he was always very complimentary, quiet, but just a stud back there. I don't think it's talked enough. Like, the fact that he was able to just be away from the league for two years and then come back and bring a team to the playoffs.

Like, that's insane. That's a fair point. I just saw something where he still has the fastest 40 time of all quarterbacks. Really? Yeah, I think there was a quarterback who ran the fastest. Over the weekend? Yeah, but they were mentioned, like, Mike Vick ran, I'm making it up, four, three, not something crazy. like that, which is wild.

Yeah, there was a cat that ran. Taylor Green from Arkansas. Ran a 4-3, right? 4-37. He's huge. He got number one, like, out of the combine in all positions. They were talking about teams were probably going to come up to him and start talking about receiver.

Like, he should obviously shut it down. Raiders will take him number one. No, number one. Those are to the Jets. Yeah. Did you play against Vic in, like, that first game back where he threw it 90 yards to Deshaun? No, I was on P-Squod.

I remember watching it. Because that was the first iteration of Chip Kelly's offense coming into the league, and they whipped us. And you thought, damn, the spread might just take the league by storm and obviously got figured out and everything else. But I remember that first game, that bomb that Vic threw to Deshaun Jackson, and just the no huddle and everything. Like, the boys were in a blender.

Yeah. Fletcher out there in his last year, just a blender. Daniel Hall. Yeah. Good times, man. Great times. Shout out the P-Squod. What other headlines were coming out of the combine?

Do you see our boy Diego Pavia hit the backflip? I did see that. And come out with an unbelievable quote. Did he shoot up? What was his quote? I'm sorry. His quote was that his, your frontal load doesn't develop to your 25 and he just turned 24. So he has 360 days to get basically on track.

That's great. That's called upside. When we drive somebody, upside. You look at his game tight? tape and his upside. Yeah. Are we thinking, where's he, where's he being projected? I don't know.

My personal thought is, I feel like he'll be like a six, seven round guy, maybe undrafted free agent. Yeah. I don't know what the boards have him as. Where's Stets and Bennett get drafted? I feel like that's a good comment. He's with the Rams, right? I never talk about Stets and Ben. But he walked away for like a year.

He had some like mental health stuff going on. Well, he's got Johnny Mansell. mentoring him so yeah but it's is the the frontal cortex it's not fully developed so maybe once that gets developed it'll be so I like to picture him and Johnny Mansell like them Johnny mentoring him like they're just in a room playing like rock them sock him robots or something it's like a Theo Vaughn podcast yeah yeah this every day for him and Mansell Johnny was electric man so my cousin my cousin Jake who still with the Falcons he was on that team and my cousin Mike for that matter uh they were like left tackle

left guard and um or maybe Luke joker whatever I'm going down to um but man I used to yeah I would tune in to watch them and I remember that was it the Alabama game where they were up like 283 early then it was like they came back and it was back and forth I mean it was electric it was a great game to go back and watch Johnny Manzel was such a stud man and for Diego to talk about Johnny being a mentor hopefully there's just more there's other people that that he's getting advice from as well. Not to like shit on Johnny, I'm just saying when you look at the,

what happened with Johnny and if Diego's saying like, I'm essentially like a Johnny Mansell coming out of college in this way, I would ultimately be, my advice would be like to be cautious about that. Well, I choose to think optimistically and positively about, you know, because Johnny, I think he's done a lot of interviews podcasting lately where he has, I think, been honest about his time in Cleveland

and kind of what went down. and, you know, he wish he would have done things differently, which actually could be very beneficial to Diego based on perceived or actual, you know, transgressions, whether it's the interview process, whether it's the heisman, whether it's the club, like, you know, it's kind of learning process. Because he taught he was vulnerable with us on this show.

And again, fan of Johnny Mansell. I'm just saying if you're a young cat coming out, getting mentoring and everything else, like I would just say, especially if you look at Johnny Mansell too, like over the last year, there's been a couple things that comes out about him where he's like on, you know, going and partying, Benner's like all the stuff that essentially Diego kind of, you know, gravitates towards when it comes to off the field stuff that comes

out with Diego. I'm just saying, be careful. Be careful. Because everything matters, you know, going through the draft process. And all this team, all the teams, they have you under a microscope and everything that you do matters. Did you do any other workouts for teams or like they didn't come out? Like, how does? I, since you weren't invited to the, I know for us, it was. Like you go to the combine, there might be a few teams, especially with the, you know, we had all these linebackers coming out of USC and just players in general. Like, you know, Tampa came out. The Redskins came out. Did you? The Bengals came. The Bengals came and like had me on the whiteboard did stuff like that, watch film. The Patriots came, did stuff on the whiteboard, watch film. But I never did. I didn't do like workouts for a team.

Okay. They never came after. And then I took one pre-draft visit, which was two, the Cincinnati Bengals. They did like a psychology test, personality test. How was it? You didn't want to go there? Dude, there's facilities where dog shit. And then I see all the report card stuff coming out with teams. And I see that they're still kind of just dog shit.

And the Cincinnati Bengals have been dog shit for the longest time. How about the report? Have you guys talked about the report cards? Have not. Have not. I see that they're trying to do away with them, which I think is bullshit. It's like, hey, this is feedback that the players are giving, that the players are giving teams in every area.

Yeah, the owners just don't want to be criticized. But when you're like the Miami Dolphins or the Minnesota Vikings, you know, you're like, hell yeah, we run this thing operationally the right way. And it's, you know, they're players and whomever else votes on it. They talk about that. But there's a reason why, you know, the organizations at the bottom or ones, you look at, I want to say maybe it was the Jets. Like one of them, one of these organizations, they like went up from bottom to like top five or something.

Oh, it was the commanders. Yeah. It was the commanders. Yeah. They went, they went up. New ownership. They probably took. that feedback.

Yeah, dude, if you're an organization and you want to win, like you are obsessed with figuring out ways to win, then you want any feedback you can get from the, from the players, from the organization, from the personnel, whatever it is, you want that feedback. No matter how much it's like, okay, we can take this for a grain of salt, but ultimately just look at it from the big picture perspective, like zooming out and be like, hey, it seems like we can get better in these areas. Yeah.

But, you know, they want to. It's like bottom line. They don't want to be criticized. Yeah. There could be a boys club happening where guys have jobs because of X, Y, and Z. Criticized. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. They like to be, they like to buy islands, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. And yachts, islands and yachts and like other big airplanes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Don't tell files. Yeah. Yeah. It's not get distracted. No. Yeah. Good show.

I got a show. Great show. Great show. Great show. And with that salary cap bumping up. How much did it go up again? 22 now What are guys even like

It's insane I see all the big contracts What's the minimum at now in the NFL When I got to the league It was like 3 325 My first year was like 420 Is it over a million now

Oh my God Minimum based salary for a rookies 840 That's okay with inflation You know Yeah but that's awesome Yeah it is awesome Well you talk what Odell said

like 150 mil 100 mil is not enough to last you do what what's up hang on hang on he was doing on odell said

a hundred million dollars is not enough to last on the pivot and he's not saying that he is broke but he kind of breaks down he's like man 150 mil like people don't realize

how fast it can go if you don't take care of it you know wipe out half for taxes you buy mama house you got people dependent on you like it's really not really not that much and it took heat on the internet as it should.

But yeah, it was a wild statement. Odell Beckham Jr. says $150 million is enough to live on it. Yeah, I mean, that's obviously, that's that's cat, that's bullshit. Well, how do you want to live? Sure. You can, yes, you can easily. Because that might not be enough. You can easily, I guess, burn through $150 million.

I like OBJ. I know what he's saying. I like OBJ too. He's just saying, you flying private. everywhere, you're vacation and you're doing first class this and that security buying stuff. Like yeah, you will tear through. That's how you hear these stories all the time of people going broke. It's just not taking care of your money.

Not thinking long term. Yeah. Because what? How old were you when you got out? I was 33. Yeah, it's 31. Oh, yeah. 31.

Yeah. I've been unemployed ever since. Yeah. It's tough. Will hired you. Damn. I guess you kind of did. There you go.

Hey. Thanks, brother. I appreciate it. 150, though. That's... Nah, that's a lot of money. That's hard to run through it. I'm just amazed at the salary cap.

Like, I hate to play these games, but you think about, like, all right, when my dad played in the league, you get X amount of dollars. And even when I played early in my career, like, the salary cap went up nominally. You know, it went up just like a few million dollars to where, like, a salary would go up $100,000 to be the next highest paid. Now we're going up four, five, six months. million in between the next highest paid you look we talked about this you look at the pass rush years I think Max Crosby was the first assigned this past off season at 40 million um Michael Parsons right before the season started 47 million seven million dollar gap in just a couple months which was unhurt I mean seven million to

would have taken 15 20 years to do that based but I mean that's just it's it's it just shows you how much the game has grown and how big the NFL is and sales and whatnot international yeah It's just crazy in my brain that the minimum is like double. So now you're thinking if you would have played in today's age, you have double your money. Yeah. We could get that double-decker bus.

Yeah, we get that double-decker bus. You can make Brad in college too now. That's true. I wouldn't have got me. You probably would have got. I would have got some of your senior year, Clay. Yeah, what are you talking about, man? No, not my senior year.

Yeah, you would have. I was playing, but there were some big dogs on the team. There would have been big dogs to where you're like, damn, I should be getting that. would have gotten the crumbs you didn't got a couple hundred thousand dollars no way i promise bro the stuff the stuff that i hear about the n i i'm talking like you know how it's like uh skills semi and then uh the line the old lineman d line like semi positions like tight ins line backers like guys who are on like the two deep are getting like several hundred thousand dollars

which that's yeah that's awesome i just think it's interesting like when i have these conversations with parents about like NIL versus like you know I mean like for me just you know being a walk on even to you to a certain extent you know being a free agent yeah it has helped develop who you are because you had to grind you had to go for it you could there was no easy way out and it's like everybody can transfer now you're going to chase the biggest dollar like where does the resiliency come in I'm I'm curious if there's a way to quantify that metric of like you know how the transferring and to taking the money and like versus does that how does that a affect the athlete? How does it affect the person, the mental? It's really tough to quantify that,

is all I'm saying. Let's just say your boys, they're obsessed with playing football and they got it. When they get to high school, you're legitimately going to think, like the thought process, I feel like now in high school is how do you leverage yourself, whether it's the school or the team that you're on, whatever it is, things that you do on social media or off the field to where you leverage as much NIL money as you can before we even get to the school. Well, you're right. And they have those bulletin boards in the NFL locker, or maybe even high school or college, saying the percentage of, you know, boys who play high school ball,

who go on to college, D1, who play in the NFL. It always gets, you know, 0.01%. So, like, yeah, you got to go get your money now because that's going to give you a leg up when it's time to get a real job, work a 9 to 5, if you don't make it to the NFL or college or whatever it is. So that's going to be tough. Like, let's say your girls, I'll just, I'm going to put this,

you know, they're playing basketball. And who's rolling in the women's, South Carolina? Say, South Carolina. Okay, let's just say South Carolina and Nebraska. Well, I'm going to remove your ties. Okay, I was going to say Nebraska women's volleyball. Right. Okay.

And like, you know, hey, we want to give a million dollars to this or we want to give you like two to go to this school. Like, that's tough right there because you're thinking like that's life changing money. I know. But at the same token, like it's got to be tough because if you have a school, like, hey, we want to, I'm making up schools. I don't mean to diminish anything. Like, hey, Alabama's going to pay you five million for your boy to go here. But eight million. go to the University of Maine or something like that.

You're like, all right, well, you know, that's a lot of money, but we're also thinking big picture here getting to the next level. Yeah. I don't know. It's tough. The way I always manage my money, too, it's like, you just, like, my hope for, let's just say it's Rue, and Rue is in that spot. My hope would be that, like, if I could find ways to get the paranoia inside of her as this

money's coming in. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's tough. To think like so long term, that's like, no. I'm telling you this is not how it works. I talk about that with my wife all the time. Like, you know, raising kids when you have the means is difficult.

Right. Because they're comfortable. So how do you push them to get out of their comfort zone? It's not like you're going to send them to a different school or you're going to take away this and that. Like we drive a nice car. You know, they go to a nice school. Like you have devices.

It's tough. It is tough. Being a parent. Yeah. Yeah, dude. But especially when you, you know, I feel like, like for me going off to SC when I was a walk on, like that took me

from Silver Spoon to like, oh, this is how it works. And like, I'm not allowed to quit. I'm not allowed to come home and, you know, like you had to, you had to figure it out. Yeah. Take something like that. But I guess we'll just cross that bridge when we get there. I know, dude. Until then, we'll keep dominating this flag football.

Yeah. Speaking of with USC, we were talking about the combine, was it Malachi? Malachi Lemon. Mackay Lemon. Mackay Lemon. Yeah. Mackie Lemon. Dog.

A little sweet and low. I don't know, bro. That's just gangster right there. You know what I'm about to put the league on those? Jay Jettas, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like, bro, he's going top 10. I feel you. I feel you.

Yeah. That's an SC boy right there. Like, he's going to do his thing. That SC zest. Zest or not, bro. Yeah, we got some killers over there in SC too. He's a dog. He'll get it one day.

When the clip comes out Yeah, when the clip comes out Yeah, when the clip comes out. Now I'm trying to figure it out. They got some killers at USC, man. They got dogs there. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Allegedly. You talking about O.J? I like, I love Sanchez, too, but I got to, you know what I'm saying? That's my dog. That's a claimant to use a pinion. Yeah. Let's say how this. You just feel like you'll.

get caught up in doing AI for your, for your boys with their highlight tapes? Brother, that was wild. So one of you guys posted that and you're like, which one of these is AI? And so I'm watching, I think there's one, there's one clip where the end zone right here, like, I'm like, I've never heard of the fan, like, that's got to be AI. And then all of them were fake? I didn't know that the whole, all the clips were fake. I thought it was like, you know, dude who throws the ball.

Like, it's just the football in the air that's AI. Some of the tackles, I'm like, that looks fake. Terrible. But then I was just like, on what's great. great is like the tape is grainy so you can kind of get away with it a little bit like if i would have had this i might have gotten a scholarship back in the day you know snuck in a couple of ai clips i mean like all the that's remarkable all the coaches are gonna there's going to be the relationships with the high school coach they're going to know if it's real or fake now i could see you know what i

could see laying kiff and grabbing knowing he's grabbing an AI video and be like i need this kid got to get this kid to ls you and just kind of trolling everybody then dabbo falls for it offers The kid. More money. Brings him to Clemson. Brings him in. He's a bum. Gets mad at Lane.

Yeah. That stuff is nuts, though. The whole, the AI world itself is crazy. I think I saw what Brad Pitt and Christian Bale fighting. Was it? Tom Cruise? Yeah, Brad Pitt. Yeah.

Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise, like fighting on this. How long until they're making movies without actors? Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise. I don't know. Shial above? Wins?

What you say? I heard Shial above. You know, Shailabov. You're fighting in that famous actor, he's a lot. Hey, Shilabu's in me. Leave my man alone, all right? He's just out there chilling Mardi Gras on Bourbon Street.

Like, he doesn't want to get groped. You know what I'm saying? He said. Hey, you watch. He watched. That stuff scares me, man. You know, the 4 U tab? It kind of knows me.

My algorithm. Yeah, yeah. My algorithm is fire. Great interview. The Shailabuff, the clips are so funny. What would you say to Jesus? Nothing. Nothing.

I kiss it. I kiss his feet. He said, what do you talk about knowing the Bible? He's like, what does it say? He's like, no. Whatever that is, like, you know, I'm that. I guess I'm that. It does have great motivational.

Just do it. When you go back and watch it now, you're like, hey, it makes sense. Yeah. Just do it. Yeah. What's this right here? This is our social producer Matt Malone. Getting punked?

Who? Is beer league Which one he went? This was last night 10 p.m. Wow. Is that you number 19? No, I'm gonna do the purple helmet

I'm 10. I thought he was 77 in the light blue This guy coming in That's Taylor O'Wan right there. I don't even see you Matt Are you on the side of? Matt's a dude who gets beat up Oh, what?

I didn't get beat up I got jump by three dudes Bro, take your skate off and cut someone. Come on, bro. Okay, that's a nice pushing the back because your boy gets cross-checked in the face so then I it was kind of scumbagging me I cross-checked him in the back but I was just pissed we were down 3-0 in the

playoffs third period we're losing it that's you skating up and checking him yeah and then I get jumped by three of those dudes and that was kind of a scummy move to just go right to his but he did it he did it to his face my boy's face so like whatever but yeah I was scummy I actually texted I texted one of the guys and apologize but he got he got pretty heated our playoff game beer league. Yeah, that's why I said that was, you know, that's not me. Because I was actually friendly with the guys all game. I was like, we're getting steamroll.

It is what it is. It's the problem with today's athletes. They want to be friends and social media and whatnot. Like that's the, this is why the Ben Johnson, Matt LaFleur thing's perfect. Yeah, segue, boys. You know what I'm talking about? Great segue. Great segue.

Like Ben Johnson, like, we're not supposed to be friends. Matt LaFleur has no idea what's happening right now. I guess, hey, what is my name? I guess we're in a beef. But yeah. Yeah, I guess we're in a beef. I got kicked out. You got kicked out.

Yeah, I got kicked out of the game. Actually, I'm going to check right now if I got my suspension. Beat up and kicked out. I've been there before him. Yeah. No suspension of now, but I'll be checking the email. Mitch lifted. Bro, Mitch has, it was a great. You brought your hips into it. And then he stood on business. That little, that buddy didn't want any. I saw it. No, he thought he wanted some smoke, but then I had, I was like, I'm about it. I'm about it. You lowered your shoulder on him. About it, about it. He lowered his shoulder into me. We didn't see that on the film, though. So if you slow it down, you're able to see it. Got to control. Control your form tackle.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Interimeral sports is like, that's all we got now. Yeah. That's all we have. So. We all we got?

You know. Watch this. Let's just. Let's just. I don't know, Mitch. He just was running straight. He put a shoulder down. This flag, this flag football has got to do is pull the flag.

But hey, that's different weight classes, too. Mitch shouldn't be punching down like that. The form tackle coming out of this. Was that playover? No, he put his shoulder into me. Like, I was waiting for him to make a move. Did he put his shoulder into you? I think he just kind of leaned forward.

Yeah, he just leaned forward. Okay, Clay, your son plays flag. Yeah. You know how it works. When you're trying to, like, make a move at, like, coming up to somebody, you're going to go side to side. He just tries to go through me. Let me see, this is a slow-mo. He didn't lower his shoulder, but he was just...

He covered the ball up like you're putting the shoulder down. Oh, yeah. I mean, listen, I can see it both ways. I hope your suspension got reduced. to like a you know like i just i just this was like three or four months ago i only got to spend for a game oh i was hoping for a half but games he's seems a bit egregious but let's get into some tear talk you want to get featured on the show comments youtube comments i found some i i had a couple good last from last week's episode of patrick willis that i'll read but let's do

some uh some tier talk with the internet which one are we which one do we want to hit here Cap one first. Okay, this one is from at UFC Batman. This is Dom Box Steeler Hatfield. Hashtag Tear Talk. When is a time you've experienced Stadium Pulse, whether on the field or in day-to-day life? That's a good question. I was experiencing it last night with Rue.

Stadium Pulse, like, we're talking a big moment. I was thinking more where I had to keep my composure because she dropped the crowns all over the floor. New carpet. Sitting the hallway. help pick them up then she wanted to do the band-aid by herself she gets out the band-aid box all the band-aids fall over the floor this is all right before within a five-minute span and so i'm having to keep my composure but i guess i wouldn't call that like stadium pulse well real so i'm sorry i understand the reference but stadium pulse is that like when you're flustered or is that when we've experienced

that actually playing i'm in the workroom with my dad he's asking me to hand him tools when i'm six years old. I don't know what tools they are. And I know whatever I hand them next could be the end of my weekend. That's just an example. That actually happened? Because it sounds like we got to talk about this. We did see a hilarious meme the other day. It's like when your dad says to come outside and this is what's in the driveway and it's just a truck bed full of mulch. I've never experienced this personally, but I know we've got a handful of guys that are married on this bus. I can imagine if y'all chose the route where you have to ask your future.

your wife's father for hand in marriage, that's got to be high stadium pulse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm trying to think like in the last couple weeks if I felt like a stadium pulse moment. Every day, every day I'm feeling some type of stress. Raising kids, yeah, you feel it every day. That cortisol level, you go see your doctor for that annual. Hey, blood pressure's a little higher. You're like, buddy, you've got no idea.

Maybe waking up late and Missing Ballet, you wake up. Yeah, Stadium Pulse. That was last weekend. Immediate Stadium Pulse. How are we going to handle this situation? We failed to getting her to ballet class. Now I'm talking to her. She's bummed that she didn't go to ballet class.

She wants the ballet bun. She wants to do a class. We get the ballet bun going. That's a stadium pulse in itself, trying to get the ballet bun right, watching YouTube videos. And then setting up the living room, throw her on a ballet class, stadium pulse back down to zero.

Honestly, watching Roos, she wants to climb something bigger, taller, like one of the walls at the playground. There's like a stadium pulse of me watching. watching her doing it because I'm nervous like man do I need to be right there but you don't want to be a helicopter parent you need to kind of let her fail on her own I kind don't want if she does fall I think she's gonna fall like do I need to be close I need to remain back and let her learn on her own yeah stadium pulse oh all of a sudden you drill into some conduit

power goes out does the Yenna Rack turn on or not the Gannirac Gennarack yeah Stadium to get the Gatorack going. Hey, we got to get you a Kohler. We've got to get you a Kohler. Wisconsin made. Isn't that right, Matt? You can hook that up.

I mean, you have to pay for it, but like, yeah, I can hook you up. I got to meet you. Hey, you ever been to, you guys, you've ever been to Coler, Wisconsin? Great little town. We're close to Whistling Straits. Oh, Whistling Straits. Black Wolf Run. You stay at the American Club down there.

You've ever been to Whistling Straits, Clay? I mean, I've seen it. But I'm not a big golfer. We had breakfast there right before the, what was that golf tournament with, what's America versus Europe? It's a rider. Yeah, right before the rider cups they had it set up.

Beautiful. It is beautiful. Yeah. When we were in Wisconsin and we wanted to celebrate, we'd be out there for OTAs, we wanted to celebrate Mother's Day or whatnot. We drive on down through Sheboygan, you know, and stay there and Coshkosh over there too.

Oshkosh, yeah. Yeah, Shiboiegian's down there. Yeah. Hey, a little fishing on the bago. Beautiful. Is that the American club? That's the American club right there. Looks like a good club.

It used to be an old carriage house. And they converted it over. People are great. Stadium Pulse, your first grill of the season with some rib-eyes. Really just grilling for a group of people. Yeah. Especially if you got some like new guys coming over and they're like, don't worry, I got you. We got some extra stakes.

And then all of a sudden this guy, he's talking about medium rare. He's talking about season. You go, oh, this guy knows his thing around a girl. You're just going to get what you get. Yeah. You're like cut on the outside. It's a little bit more rare than on the outside. Yeah.

That's kind of how it goes. Yeah. Stadium pulse, like, you know your wife isn't going to be in the mood, but you know you're going for it anyway. I get shut down quick. I don't know. I mean, there's, I'm just used to failure there. But when you know, but when you know you're not accepting failure,

whatever strategy you're coming up with, I feel like a stadium pulse. Yeah, you're waiting for me to say so. I'm like, oh. I don't know. know, I'm just always smooth. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's always, I always got a resolution.

Next one. Hashtag tear talk from Devin Grover. What are the best audible play calls that you've heard? For instance, Omaha or Rick Flair? Like that a quarterback is that? Knowing that a quarterback, the first time hearing that they do,

salt and pepper, feels me and Mason Foster out there, white and black, or Erlacker, Briggs, butkus or another guy. It was. until later in my career, you probably got to benefit from this, but the centers had to put a mic on. So that way, you know, the viewer at home can hear the experience a little bit more, but that's what would give away the Omaha's, the salt happen, whatever it is. So we would come in

on Wednesday or whatever it was before meeting start. We would listen to the TV copy and we put together, you know, hey, this, if they call this, it's this, if they call this, but obviously they're self-scout. I'm sure they change it week to week, but just little things to tap into. So yes. I thought you were saying there was a mic, like the center wore a mic. Because you were talking about TV copy. Oh, brother.

I think, yeah, like you're hearing the inside of like the fucking cockpit. I think the centers do have to wear a mic. I'm not, I'm not 100% certain. Wouldn't that be like the camera up above? It's those things that you see when they're holding those.

No, because this, yeah, on the side of from the sideline. I don't know. You're right on TV. I remember Aaron Rogers talking about that saying like he hated that. saying like he hated that because naturally if you're scouting your opponent you listen to the

tv copy um as well as like you know look at the signs you know that they're giving receivers or you know they've switching size and uh the middle of the play yeah because tv copy does help yeah dude i'll i'll give you i'll give you one here give me something 2015 washington at chicago we needed to keep them out of field goal range or they were around field goal range but chances to them making it was very slim we had to get off the field on third down we called a zero pressure mugged up double a gap so we're we're bringing the house it's zero and cutler makes a check at the line of scrimmage fulsome fulsome fulsome and right there from knowing tv copy jail break screen on the firm prison's got to be yeah fulsome was their left

so all right fulsome was their left in prison was their word for the right side but we had just went over prison because we didn't hear what false will be but coaches are sitting there giving you tips like it could be false some came up in it and so once you heard fulsome we were just i'm screaming screen screen screen screen dudes don't even rush they just attack the side get the tackle worth celebrating they missed the field goal or they might have tried to attempt it we win the fucking game because of you he should have been mbp that game jason hatcher comes up to me because he played with the cowboys for like nine 10 years before he came to washington and he would would always tell me he'd be around me during practice it'd be like what would Sean Lee do so

wWS SLD is what he'd always say and he's like he comes over the silent grass he's like that's what i'm talking about motherfucker that's what Sean Lee would do in that situation because Sean Lee I mean he was a dog speaking a great line what I mean he just kind of what he had some injuries right yeah back concussions concussions hamstring yeah yeah when I was playing he was always in the middle Roman but man when he was on the field and he was he was playing. That dude put his face in the fan. Yeah.

I see how he had all the concussions that he did have. Dude was a, he wrecked shop. Yeah. I loved watching Sean. I mean, Dallas back in the day, Tony Romo to Marcus Ware, they had another like a three technique or a five, big as hell. Yeah, yeah. You'd have to say his name.

But they were rolling. They were rolling. Yeah, they had a team when Wade Phillips was coaching him. Yeah, they were in that Tampa too where they'd pirate. the three technique. I just love watching DeMarcus mess pass rusher. Yeah. He was a freak too, his long-ass arms.

And he had the neck roll on too. Always, like he would get on the field. He'd get paralyzed, taken off the field, and come back the next week and rip off three sacks. Like, godly, I don't know how he does it. Free. That's what happened. They took him off on a stretch here.

I swear he's back the next week, 21 sacks. I'm like, good grief. Yeah. Yeah, God. What was Aaron's cadence? What did he say? What was his? He hit a, you got to go on that instant.

Instagram where buddy, buddy, oh, he's got it down pat. Roger's realm. I thought in 2015 he was doing Wendy's. Didn't he use Wendy's? Dog, you know what I saying? I don't know right now. I just know, I knew his cadence on when he was going to go on two or even three. Okay.

All right. We got another tier talk here from some dude named D. Good thing. I didn't bite. Just like you. If I became president, I'd eliminate daylight savings time. What's the first thing the boys would change is they were president? Hashtag to your talk.

You guys got anything off the top? Daylight savings is, you know why they used to do this, right? I think I'm correct. Yeah, for the, like, it used to be extra time during the day to, you know, harvest your crops. I believe. Fact check me. But now it's just like. There's studies that show like, you know, mental health and whatnot when you have to wake up an hour earlier, whatever it is, just kind of throws you off a little bit.

Yeah, we prioritize mental health. Probably crops at this point of our world. You know what I'm saying? What would I change, huh? You think you would just open all the borders? I'm just trying to get like the juices flowing to get you talking. Yeah, I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying like, where do you think?

like build a northern wall. Like I'm just like this thing like after Game of Thrones comes out, I do think you need to call something the wall. Like north of the wall and make Canada. Canada is now known as the White Walkers. You start having fun. You know what I mean? Yeah, like who cares?

You're in there for four years. You're out. Like someone's going to. If we're going to make a move strategically, like it's going to be a live broadcast. You would probably. And the whole monitor is just going to be a risk board. You know what I mean? Do you think you would change the commanders?

back to the Redskins. Yeah. Yeah. H-T-R. Eliminate celery from all menus. Wow. It takes celery out. It's a waste of time.

Celery's a waste of time. Yeah. How about you, Clay? Bro, I got no takes today. This is why I'm a better guest than I am a host. Maybe like flat gas price, flat fee for gas. Stop all this. Stop all the nonsense.

Right. Just pick a number. Well, you sound like... Say a lot of things people would just love. Yeah. You just want everything equal. Like, let's put a cap on earnings and... Yeah, for gas.

It's the same. Healthcare probably. It sounds like a socialist society we live in now. You go back to segregating schools. Is that what you want, Clay? Hey, one of us made up the all-white squad. And one of us loves inclusion. I honestly, I forgot to...

do the 2025 all white team. A lot of good candidates now that safety. Oh, yeah. He liked our post too, which is funny. A lot of good milk in this rookie class coming up. A lot of good milk. A lot of cream. The cream rises to the top always.

I saw somebody who wasn't golic. Seeing like, I see the exciting whites or multiplying. After the, who was it, the Oregon safety ran a great time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is he projected to get drafted, huh? Just because he ran fast or what? No clue. No clue.

There's one area. It's like hard for me to keep up with. It's just the new rookies that come in every year. Yeah. We're guys are rated. It's like you might know it's, you know that Fernando Mendoza's. Yeah, I've got it. Outside of him, I have no idea.

Like on the fan duel app, he's minus 20,000 odds to get drafted first overall. We should probably take that then. But also, what if there's a plus odds guy out there? We take a little shot because you don't know. Jets might give up six first round picks. Yeah. Yeah. They could.

They need to change something after Aaron Glenn fell asleep, like changing the narrative. The jets are back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We are back. Aaron Glenn made this move. Tier talk from Snore, Snorefedge. Jeff underscore Jeff underscore Irons on X. Tier talk, given Will Compton, self-admitted 25, now it's 27% body fat and physical state.

Could he make a UFL roster in his current condition? With how much time training? All I need is three weeks. Three weeks? Tighten up those. Tighten up the ligaments, the muscles. Essentially, run the Tom Brady talking to Shack clip. Like, I would beat ass right now in the UFL.

Honestly, if I'm being transparent, no, there's, it's over, man. Bro, you can't have that mindset. I don't have that mindset for real. It's just more of just the reality. No. Like I wouldn't. Always bet on yourself. You're right.

I would need a month. This is what people said about. you when you were free your you're you're i bet you your agent at the time was like buddy it's over you're like no i'm going to be a free agent what could you play at tomorrow middle school easy um high school yeah you think you give a full game of high school high school one side of the ball yeah yeah you think you could run flag right now with me yeah yeah i i've seen some footage of your flag like it's i'm trying to get you to play you just don't want to I want to. I got to, listen, there's going to be injury.

100%. There's going to be an injury, so. But yeah, I think I could play, I think I can play high school ball, one side of the ball, all game. And be productive. And be productive. What kind of stats? Depends on the side of the ball. You play backer?

Yeah, I play back. But you at running back. I play running back. I won't be as productive in the running back spot. You run for over 200, though? You put me at receiver. I think I get you some great. You're playing that team from Baylor down in,

uh, down in Chattanooga, though, all those French Canadians. Well, they'd be, they'd be easy. I think they won't state,

right? You boys know probably a little bit better. But lineback, you get five down in front of me. Just free roaming out there on the second level. Yeah. Yeah. Come on.

What if a big tackle comes down on you, though? You don't see them. They might, I mean, they'll get some blocks on me. There's no question about it, but I'm going to get mine.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I could be out there. Would you play some U-40? Those guys want it more than me, man. You ought to do that for your vlog. Hey, Busson needs to put together the U-40 team just for a game, just for a game, all stars.

How old are you? 39. Would you join? So funny. Delaidey. Dlamy. Randall Cobb. I just want, I need to guarantee I don't get hurt, though, right?

I can just see Achilles going and just be on. That's the thing, though. It ain't guaranteed. It ain't guaranteed. We're truly playing for the love of the game. Can we get some, like, Saudi sponsors out here, like big money? You know what like Tom Brady got? Yeah, whoever wants to sponsor, we'll take on some branding.

We'll wear all the brands on the jersey. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You won't even see the numbers of the last name. They'll say Kevin on the back. Everyone's named Kevin. That's a clean take. That's a clean take.

It's a clean tag. It only took me an hour. but I got there. Yeah. Look at this. Look at that face mask. Looking like Prime Ray Lewis. Dude, the 40U, we should,

if you're with it, you have to talk Taylor into it? I could do pass rusher. Yeah. I could do that. We get Taylor being disruptive on the D-line. I don't think you'll ever get Taylor to do it. You don't think so?

Bad wheels. I think his injuries are different than the injuries you all have had and he will not go back to getting another ACL fixed. I almost blew by him. Is that true? In San Fran.

That's true. Clyle did almost kind of had him in a blender for a moment. Clump? Probably would have been a dog at three technique with that body you got. Like, think about it. How tall are you? 5'10. 5'10.

Aaron Donald, probably 510. And how much? Allegedly. Allegedly, yeah, I don't know. We'll reject that. 275, number 99 for the Rams. I can do it. Yeah, you can do it.

I still got it. Get a bunch of the guys who've just been on the bus, but don't play anymore. Call it Patrick Willis. Get his feet taped one more time just for the boys. Imagine the team you line up against. Just all these NFL, ex-NFL players. We couldn't lose, though. We won't.

We won't. We won't. Hey, we wouldn't lose. No. Honestly. Who's our quarterback, though? We would need to find a cue. We could find a cue.

Yeah, Mitch could. Kurt, Benkirt. Yeah, use dime lab balls. Yeah, dime lab balls. I could be watching There's nothing better than the clip of that guy dressing up as the scout

and showing up to U-40 and walking up to one of the dudes and being like hey man how would you feel about being a member of the Arizona Cardinals and the guy's like

man it's a dream for real he's like all right we'll be in touch I'm like that is so messed up dude there's a couple comments from last week's episode the real jet

double zero Patrick Willis looks like he could be Delaney's father I thought was fucking hilarious Diddy Walker made an appearance. 49ers parties with Diddy Walker must have been insane? Did you hear the story with Justin Smith?

Yes. And Joe Staley? Bro, Justin Smith was a, bro. I like, I have forever, I mean, you know, we had some good battles with them. But that defense they had, Justin Smith, Alden Smith. I mean, they run that T.E. game. But Justin Smith, I mean, I know we're talking about the story right here. I'm focusing on his play.

But yeah, that's wild. And then he talked about, got a little legal trouble afterwards. It was number 49, right? No, not Ray McDonald. I'm sorry. Bruce Miller. Bruce. Fullback.

Yeah, yeah. He was a stud. Frank Moore. The one who drank Patrick Wilson's top chef. He was hot. But listening to them talking to them talking about just like, find the biggest dude in the yard. Imagine that, bro. Joe Staley was that guy too.

Like, you know, he was that left tackle, perennial pro bowler. Well, what are you doing? Justin Smith shows up and headbutch you can break your fucking nose, man. You got a, bro. And then burn your furniture. And that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a big specimen. That's when we're like, fuck. Shout out Ashley Fruntcher, 50% off of the boys, you know?

Like, hey, you got to go get some new ones. But yeah, that's, I don't know, man. Like, that's tough. Like, you got to go out on your shield. Lazy Boy, Nashville. I'm sorry. Hey. Shout out lazy boy.

Hey. Wayfar, it's just what I. You got to go out on your shield, but that's, you know. That's tough. I don't know what I you just got to go out swinging even if you die come back on your shit I don't know if you would at all you're not gonna cover there in front of the boys if he headbutch you and shatters your nose and you're laying on the ground okay well good point at that point it's

over and you're like thank god all I got to do is get my nose face then he starts burning my furniture I think I'll just still play like I'm knocked I was like, oh shit, he's throwing my couch in the fire. Yeah, that's like his will out. I think he's like, what was that NFL show or not NFL, that football show on ESPN, game changes back in the day? Pros versus Joe's. Oh, no, it got canceled after what it was like, guys were doing blow at halftime. The NFL canceled it because it was like, yo, you can't do this, but this was straight up what it was like.

Yes. What was that called? I think it was game. Was it game changers? I'll tell you what, when Delaney said, he was a dude that was kind of scary to be around when he got some alcohol on his system, you know those white boys.

So once he said that, it's like, yeah. Goal going out of your shield sounds good, but this... This is a different breed of a human being. Playmakers. Playmakers. Oh, yeah, because they went out in the parking lot and played a game.

What? Yeah, like a dude who got to approach, it was a quarterback. got approached like in the club and they're like let's go run it right now and they went they went out yeah in playmakers they went out like in the parking lot playmakers is great yeah you got anything else boys design contest what do people need to know about the design contest we have one week left yes yes sir what is what's the info

one week left to do what one week left to do what purchasing the winner with whoever gets the most wins got you so a week left of the design contest all the merch they're up on the site right now go buy your favorite one support the designer who made them we're picking the winner next week good intro fun intro it's good seeing you that's good seeing you too i have i've missed you thank you miss your sin i do shower before every show i try to come kept yeah i can tell do you do when you comb no call never comb my hair hair. So what do you do? My daughter's always like what so how does it get so sleek perfectly? These fingers. You just use your fingers. Do you use a brush to get the,

no brush to get the wispies? Any products? Yeah, product. There you go. Uh, I use, um, no, I just use, I just use my fingers. I got a red can leaving something, something that kind of gets it smooth, uh, trying to get too greasy look. And then if I got, if I got a be somewhere where you don't want the wispies by the end of the day, you get the air spray. He put a little bit of grease in there, a little bit of castrawl to grease it down. A little bit of gel. I'm not sure which gel I use.

But yeah, keep it nice and slicked. All right. Appreciate that, man. Appreciate your time on the bus, bro. I'm looking out here. Man,'s got a good head of hair right there. I usually have long hair. I'm keeping it short right now.

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Hey, it's us. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early,

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Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Point at me when he's ready. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Bus with the Boys. We were at the Super Bowl. Now, let me just put things in a perspective for you guys for a little bit. There's a lot of gentlemen out here, extremely talented men who have taken the world by storm on the grid,

on and off the field. We're here doing a bunch of things for Super Bowl week. We've been trying to track this man down all week long. He's staying in the same hotel of us. He's actually staying on the same floor as us. That was his mistake. That was his mistake. He's now calling me like,

Just so you guys know, wherever the Boston boys are. Make sure. He felt like every time. Right. I don't know if he felt like this, but I'm thinking of my head. He probably felt like every time we saw it's like, hey, we were trying to work something and out. I was like, hey, we'd love to have you on.

We love to have you on. Graduate of North Carolina State also got your graduate degree at Wisconsin. Third round pick for the Seattle Seahawks. Third round pick, yep. Third round pick for Seattle Seahawks. Ten time pro bowler. Arguably the greatest dual threat quarterback of all time. Super Bowl champion.

Will Compton? What are you reading right there? I'm just, I'm looking over these career stats because what year to Did you just finish? 14. Which is nuts to think about. But as I see this, like, from a bird's eye view, it's like 46,921 passing yards. It's good.

Like when I see, what is it? He is the lone quarterback in NFL history to accumulate 40,000 passing yards and 5,000 rushing yards for his career. Additionally, Wilson joined Peyton Manning from 2012 to 2014 as the only quarterback in NFL history with 30 plus passing touchdowns and 100 plus passer rating. in three consecutive seasons. That was 18 through 20 for you. That is. And also, we had all those stats along, and then since his rookie year

when nobody even knew the man, on Tuesdays, every Tuesday, he's going to visit children in the hospital. So we're talking about all around general good guy. Let's give a round of applause for the one, the only Russell Wilson. Is it exhausting, dude?

Good to be on the bus. Is it exhausting? Which part? You guys, howling me down? All the things I'm exhausted. Introducing you. We were at Fandwell last night, and they're doing,

Hey, we got Rob Grownkowski's true, but Russell Wilson list. Also, bustling with the boys is here and then say, former NFL players. For the NFL players. List, like, where do you find the time? What's your schedule like? Well, first of all, it's crazy. First of all, be on the show with you fellows.

You know, I'm excited to be on here with you guys. I wish we were all the bus right now, but we're here at Super Bowl. I'll make that happen. But no, I'm super grateful to be on here with you guys. I've admired y'all's both, y'all's careers. I competed against both of you guys, too. Hey, you're one of my three. Just.

Yeah, hey, listen. One of my three interceptions out there. I probably juked you along the way. But no, man, I'm just grateful to be on here. You guys are doing a great job. But no, going back to your original question, man, how do I find the time? I think just being organized, you know,

really trying to be all things to the things I love. You know, obviously, I think obviously talking ball is something I absolutely love to do and being on here with you guys and talking life and all the other stuff that goes along with it. But yeah, I just try to be organized as possible. I've got a good team around me too that helps. and just put things together and make sure I'm ready to go.

The balance has got to be difficult at times. Because again, like you have businesses, you have a foundation. Like the children's hospital going every Tuesday, the 14-year career had, and the stats I just rattled off. You're also a father. Like, it has got to be challenging at times to have the balance, have the organization, because your wife's a superstar as well. Like, do you ever, are you guys ever able sitting back or when you're in bed

about to fall asleep? Like, you know, our life is the gratitude. that you have. I think life is all about gratitude. I think that there's challenges along the way, just like everybody else's life. We all don't have it perfect or anything like that. And I think just having a heart full of gratitude and joy

in the midst of storms and things like that. And just also knowing like there's always better days ahead. You know, it's like when I feet hit the ground, I just want to hit the ground running. And, you know, it's like to me, it's funny because like when I go to sleep, I don't sleep much.

Like I sleep about five hours a night, maybe. But when I do, I'm gone. because I feel like I've exhausted myself all day using all my gas in my in the car. You know what I mean? And just refill it, you know, and just go again. And I think to me, I always, I always said that you never want to die empty. You know, I want to die. If I die, I want to die empty.

I mean, I've used everything that I had, you know, for everyone and everyone else and everything that I want to accomplish. And so, you know, I feel like I'm still growing. I'm still learning every day. And just being a dad is awesome, too. And having kids and just, you know, seeing them grow up is crazy. I got four of them running around 11, 8, 5, and 2. And so there's their challenges too on top of that.

Yeah. And then you're also, I think, you're trying to be the best in the world of what you do. And it was funny because I was talking to somebody the other day about, you know, my career. And I feel like, you know, I've been in a heavyweight fight, meaning it's been 14 rounds. Yeah. Right. You know, and I feel like I've won 11 of them. And I feel like I've lost maybe like a heavyweight fight.

I feel like I've lost maybe the last couple, but it doesn't mean I won't win 15 and 16. And so that's kind of been my mentality. That's kind of a bar. That is kind of a bar. The old school heavyweight, the rounds would go up to what, 15? What is left in the tank for Russell Wilson? Because again, you look back on some of these career statistics.

Like, you obviously, we played nine, getting to watch you, you whooped their ass. I remember when your first year at Wisconsin, or was that your only year at Wisconsin? You whooped this when Nebraska came to town. But getting to kind of like watch your career unfold and being. being now more of an observer and you talking about losing the last couple rounds like how much longer do you want to play this game yeah I want to play a few more years for sure I think for me you know I've always had the the vision of getting to 40 at least you know I think you know the game is different you know quarterbacks we get hit it's not you know we get hit hard but it's there's certain

rules I mean back of the day but I started bro yeah you just get blood back yeah so the game I feel like allows you to you know live a little longer I guess um you know I feel healthy I feel great but I think or anything else is do you love the game do you love studying do you love the passion for it all do you love the process do you love the process do you know everybody loves the winning part of it but it's the process there's a journey to get to be obsessed with and that part i'm obsessed with is the being around the fellows in the locker room and all that too you know it's that's part i still absolutely love and enjoy so for me you know you know i think about certain guys um i think about guys like Elway. I think about guys, even Peyton Manning himself and, you know, different guys that

I've been around and witnessed or whatever it may be. And, you know, they, some of them didn't win to the end, you know, I think about Elway's career, you know, winning at the end of his career. I think about Peyton winning again at the end of his career. You know, those moments are, you know, special moments. Even Tom himself, who obviously played a 45, you know, has been the greatest example for anybody at this position or anybody in our game. You know, he won. I don't. I don't. four in the last seven or something crazy like that. So, you know, why I think anything else, you know, and I think it's about being around the right people, the right time, you know,

all the glue coming together. You've seen that with Sam Donald, you know, obviously we're here at the Super Bowl, but you're seeing that with Sam Darnold, you know, his situation for four or five years wasn't what he wanted it to be. Right. Yeah. And you see it with Baker Mayfield, a guy who I love watching play and compete, you know, and just goes from Baker, goes from Cleveland to Carolina.

It doesn't work there. And then he gets a shot in L.A. with Sean McVeague on Thursday night game. He has a great game. The next you know a couple games. Next to you know, he's sitting in Tampa Bay, you know, and doing his thing.

I think Sam Darnel, same thing. And so it just takes the right place at the right time. I know that you mentioned the resume is one thing, but it's about the moment right now and how do I use all that experience for something good? Yeah.

You talked about Sam, and they were talking about his scouting report as he was coming out. And one thing, like an intangible that he had, is that he's unfazed by failure. Well, it does not affect him. and all, which is something that I think every quarterback should be able to have. You brought up the rounds, right?

14 rounds. You've won 11 of them. In the last couple of years, we've had a little bit of jumping around. Broncos, the situation, which I'm going to read the tweet because, buddy, I'll be honest with you. That's fucking awesome. What tweet? Yeah, I'll read the tweet.

I'll read the tweet right now, actually. Because I do, your team's probably like, okay, we're going to bring this up right now. But yeah, we are. This is the tweet that you put out. It is, uh, classless, dot, dot, dot, dot. but not surprised. Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting 15 plus years later through the media. Now, a lot of people, and I know PR is probably said back to like, okay, it's not necessarily

the vision we want to get off. But dude, maybe they tweeted it. Maybe they did. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. The human element of that and every guy, because everybody who works nine to five jobs, drives trucks, blue collar lifestyle, they sit down on a Sunday and they watch these heroes

on TV. And they put them at this higher in life thing and then they see all the charity you do, how much you give back what you and your wife both do together and your foundations and everything like that it's like oh this guy is so up here it's so hard to me to even visualize that we're even in the same like class and to put a tweet like that it is like very humanizing towards like yeah we all are affected

by decisions that are made off the camera off of the field and that's like a it's a humanizing element that when I saw that tweet I'm like dude this is fucking badass and that Russell Wilson bites back yeah that Russell was and bites back because you do you you you run you're a very classy individual. You're very well-spoken guy. You're well-dressed.

You come in. You shake everybody's hand. You see all my boys. You're shaking their hands. And it's like, this dude's operating at a high level, but then you see that tweet. And it's like, okay, this dude, he sees it all. Like he's seeing a 360, a full 360. So I don't even know where I was going with that.

Oh, yeah, the three rounds. You look at those three rounds and how the operation of all that has gone. Like, where do you think you could have handled some things better? where do you think you did a good job in some of those spots? Because a lot of times the success you have early in your career, people want to, like, people are really good. Like Jordan, Kobe, all this people, like you get used to people being great.

And then when they're not or something happens, it's like so quick to point the finger. So in these last three rounds, like how do you think you could have done a better job and where do you think you've handed yourself great in this adversity? Yeah, I think that it's always a maturation process. I think, first of all, going back to the tweet, like, I don't say much.

I never hardly ever say anything. I think there's a time and place. But sometimes you get fatigued of people talking about you. You just say, like you mentioned, you were all human. You know, but it's one thing for people that maybe aren't in the field or aren't, you know, you know, people say bots or whatever talking like, I don't worry about that stuff. That's never, that egg, that profile. But to me, when you've been in the ring or you've been, you know, on the same side of this and that,

and I got the same amount of rings as you got, meaning Sean, right? Like yeah and I and listen I got a lot of respect for him as a play call or this and that But to take a shot I don't I don't like you know I don't think it's necessary You know what I mean especially when I'm not even on your own team anymore so for me There's a point in the time where you have to you I've realized I've stayed quiet for so long There's a there's a time and place where I'm not right and so I think that you know For me I know who I am as a competitor as a warrior as a as a champion too and you know I've beaten Sean too you know like we've been

on the same place and same thing. And so it's not a matter of disrespect. Just don't disrespect me. That's my big thought. So going back to what I could have done better along the way, man, I think that, you know, one, you always want to win more games. Yeah. It's all about winning.

Like at the end of the day, nobody cares about anything else but winning no matter how you do it. I think that you also, you also reflect back on, you know, the process of, you know, like little things that maybe you don't, like, when you're up here for so long, you don't. You don't really realize all the nuances that go around, meaning, for example, like, I had my own office in Seattle all the time, but it was because I was always watching film. It wasn't a negative thing in Seattle, right? You go to somewhere else and maybe somebody thinks it's, well, that's strange. That's weird, but they gave me the office. They said, hey, we want to have everything you had in Seattle.

I didn't ask for it. They said it. So, like, those things happen, but when you reflect back, I mean, okay, well, when I do it again, okay, I don't need that. It's not something I need necessarily. We can figure that out. Like those little things that people said I had my own parking spot. I didn't have my own parking spot. I just got there early and parked in the same first three, four, five spots.

So like those little things that you realize that happen, you understand that that that's like you can't ever be affected by that. And so that's why I've never really changed, you know, my thought process in terms of those things. I think the one thing I've done consistently well is I always try to love my teammates. I always love the game. I love practice. I love.

And so for me. Like, you know, going to Pittsburgh was a great experience for me because the players love ball. You know, the guys love ball. It was cool. Guys like Cam Hayward, T.J. Watt. Guys like that, I love being around. You know, and, you know, to be able to mentor guy like George Pickens and be around him and seeing all the things he's been able to do, you know, and playing with him.

And, you know, being around guys like D.K. Metcalfe and Tyler Lockett, like the love of the game. Bobby Wagner, guy who just one man here. Those are my boys for life. You know, guys like Cliff Averill. who, you know, like played on the defensive side, but we've been forever close, you know, for a long time. Guys like Charlie Martin, guys like Jimmy Graham, like one of my favorite teammates. We only played a couple years together.

But, man, we, you know, we had a bunch of funs who weren't touchdowns in the end zone, but we're forever locked in, like, literally talk to them all the time, you know, and quite a bit. So Robert Turbin, who was my roommate, like, those are their memories and things that you never let go and you would never change anything for, you know, and people can question plays, this, that, why did this happen? But then the day, I've given my all to the game. And when you give your all, you've got nothing to,

you have nothing to apologize for. You know, like, certain points in your life that, like, got nothing to apologize for except for giving my all. You rather like me, you love me, you hate me, whatever it is. It's like, you just, I'll love you fully, even if you don't love me, that's your choice. But at the day, like, I'm going to give my all to the game because that's what the game deserves.

And so that's how I always viewed it. And so I think it's, I got more teammates that I'm closer to than not. We have more people than I'm, I, we hit up and talk to all the time. And those things I never regret. So I think that like the higher you get, there's always noise. You know, my old pastor used to say when I was in, I was going through a tough time. My dad was on his deathbed. I was in Raleigh, North Carolina, NC State.

And there was a lot of going on. I was playing great in football, but there's a lot of other stuff going on in the world. in my world or whatever, and it's just challenging my dad on his deathbed. I just remember the pastor saying one day to me, he said, remember, as you continue to rise, the greater you're great, the more they're going to hate. The greater you're great, the more they're going to hate. And I just, I fundamentally always believe that, like, it's part of trying to go to the mountain top.

And sometimes you fall, and people like watching the fall, and sometimes you got everybody who leaves you down in the valley, but you just keep climbing. And you want to be around the people that allow you to keep. keep climbing. You want to be around the people that sometimes, you know what, you don't have any more strength, but they keep pushing you up. And it's like, those are the people that I want to be around because I'm going to do the same for them. And I think that's, that's kind of been my thought process. When you, earlier when you talk about you love the process, you love ball, you love showing up. And again, over 14 years, I'd imagine, especially over the last few,

that there's been years where that process and that love and that joy has been challenged. What years have those been for you? Because, again, you've, also been in a lot of different seats now. You've been the guy that's won the Super Bowl. You know, we were obviously at Fandu last night joking about, you know, you was joking back, joking back before the gronk on the slant route and everything else to where you've lost a Super Bowl. You're kind of in this dynasty-ish realm where you got all these great players together. Oh, we'll get back to the next time to where you've been the second contract, third contract guy at the same spot and maybe I'll be a Seahawk forever. You've been, uh, hey, this team Denver

is trading everything to get acquired. are you in like a fourth round pick to where you are now the pinnacle of the football stories and headlines where you're at Denver expected to bring a Super Bowl. You go to where you're like a mercenary guy for a year with the Pittsburgh Steelers and you're a starting quarterback on that roster. You've went through this year to where you got bench and got to be a backup and a mentor to young cats like Jackson Dart. So you've been in so many different seats. How has like your joy and love for the process been challenging at times when you reflect back on really the back half of your career? Well, first of all I'm going to have you write the back

side of my book one day. No, man, I think... Isn't that nuts, though? Like, you've been in so many different seats. It's been a great journey. I think it's been a challenging one, but I didn't ask for it to be easy. You know, I didn't ask for it to be simple.

I think that the big part of it is is that, man, I go back to Seattle, like 10 amazing electric years, you know, just everything just, you know, was electric and the things we were able to do early in my career. And also, you know, from 2015 to, 2021, 2020 in particular.

Like, I broke my finger in 2021. I felt like I was at top of my game and broke my finger, unfortunately. But, like, just those years were just dominant too, you know? So, like, I felt like, you know, just that was an amazing part of my life. That will forever be a part of my life and part of my journey and part of my story, historical part of it. And then the history of being in Denver, like, it was challenging. I tore my lat.

I was playing, you know, on it with, you know, I tore 80, 90% of my lat on my right. trying to throw it was hard bro it was like I was about every throw but like you know I'm a competitor I'm old school I believe that the quarterback's supposed to be on the field no matter what the circumstances are you know I got to go there's no other I didn't come this you know come here just not go compete and the unfortunate part is we lost like nine games by like five six points or less you know which like in Seattle we always won them yeah but I think that was like you know a challenging piece of just figuring that out but okay you go through that first year and it is what is and then here comes Sean Pamp I'm super excited about that like we're having candle night can't lit dinners and watching film together red zone this that and the other just sitting there like in his office like everything's going everything's going great and everything else and all of a sudden you know i'm i think i'm second in the afc or second NFL and touchdown passes but our record's not very good we've been challenged along the way and um i think we got beat by like Miami 70 to 20 something like that it was it was just oh yeah tricky situation and then and then and then van's got about that yeah yeah but then you

You know, like, Vance Joseph does an amazing job. I remember we played in Chicago. We're down 28-7 at halftime. And I remember the halftime. There's, why are we always losing? I said, man, you guys are tired of losing. Quit talking like we're losing. I quit acting like we're losing.

We got us. And so that shift. And then all of a sudden, like, I remember Vance Joseph and I actually talk and I'm going up to him. I said, man, don't forget who you are. That's at halftime after that. I went up to him. And just, I just remember, you know, talking to him one-on-one on the sideline right before

the half. we're gonna win this damn game and we're gonna win this game and all of a sudden like i said vans just be you man you're the hardest guys ever gone and sure sure enough like and it wasn't because of me it's because of vance and the defense but i'm talking about just in those moments moments of communication like and just i just remember like us coming back and win that game and all of a sudden we got on a hot streak we started winning a bunch of games we beat green bay we go uh we beat kansas city and beating kansas city in you know i don't know eight years something crazy like that and then you know also we had beat minnesota we'd be a bunch of

teams along the way and like we felt like we were like one of the hotter teams in football and I felt like I was like you know like I'm me again fully you know and uh there's a tricky situation where they you know they make want to make a business decision say we're going to bench you the rest of your last nine games if you don't change your injury guarantee I'm like wait what I'm going to I'm in the Halloween party you know so that was challenged that was probably the most challenging piece because internally I knew what was going on from the business standpoint I didn't it was kind of BS to be of you, but like I'm dealing with that, but also still trying to be a leader and still trying to be in the moment without letting anybody know. And I just remember going to Buffalo. I didn't

know if I was going to play that following week against Buffalo, Buffalo Bills. And I remember going to like, like, just for context too on the business decision, when they make the change, it's like if you were still in the field and you were to get hurt, they would have to owe you amount of money. Yeah, that was part of the deal that we did, you know, that's everybody's dealing with injury guarantee. But if I, if I said yes, and they removed the injury guarantee, now all of a sudden, you know, I get injured in the following week. I don't make that.

And, but the bigger issue is not just myself, but the rest of the NFL, if I do it, it's going to happen for everybody else. They're going to make everybody else do it. Right. And changing it. So I'm not going to set a bad precedent for NFL players. Yeah.

Right. So anyways, I'm like, listen, like, I'm going to figure out, it's by week. I don't know if I'm going to be able to play the following week, if you're going to let me play or not. So anyways, my point is, is like, I remember playing Monday night football. They said, okay, you're going to play this game.

Like, am I going to play the next ones? They're like, we don't know. And this is where you're cut, you guys are going back and forth on this injury guarantee thing. Yeah, so like, I'm not, is your agent calling you and telling you this? Or are they coming up to you in the facility

and being like, hey, this. I'm on the field. This is by week, so I'm in LA. But the thing is, is that I don't know if I'm going to play the Monday night football. Yeah. Right, the following we were playing Buffalo. And we've got on a hot street.

We've started to beat these teams. Like, what do you mean? Like, I'm not going to play. And so all the way up to that following Monday, I didn't know coming up to the Monday night football. And so like that game in particular, that whole week, I just had to go like almost cold internally to know that I got to be,

I got to be my best no matter what. And that's always the week. But like this time, there's no other option here. Right. So like I remember making a double spin move. Throwing to the back corner to Cortland Sutton, fourth down.

He makes a crazy catch. And I just remember I don't really ever talk, you know, shit. And I'm like, and I remember coming to the. silent. I was like, you must not know me. And I'm like, I'm looking at all this emotion. I'm looking at the energy and the juice and like like like who you talking? You know, whatever. I'm walking up and then they're reviewing the play. I already know what the text. I'm like this. I'm like looking like it's a touchdown. Like I know it court and they got his feet in. They're like, is it a touchdown? You know,

it's a touchdown. And it's really only one person I'm talking to in that moment, you know? Yeah. And so for me it was like that's a touchdown. And that was my mentality. And that was my mentality. like to flip on like you know and so but you know what's crazy is is that like i the the people the players the the bowls corlin sutton um guys like javanti williams different guys i've been around tim patrick man i wouldn't trade any of that because of the relationships the people that i got to be close with and listen and listen they they they obviously have bow now who's done an amazing job like I actually texted Bo post the game that he got hurt and then went and, you know, stayed in touch with him a little bit and just like I, I don't have any, um, jealousy in my heart.

That's not my, how my, how I function. It's like, man, like, man, go shine, bro, like this, that and the other. And I think the big part of it is when you give to others is always return back to you. And I've always learned that. So like, I think that like, even though I had a, I felt like I, you know, through 26 touchdowns, eight interceptions that year. I still had two games left to play. They benched me in the final.

I knew that was it. And so like, okay, now what I want to do? Now where am I going to go? And to go to Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin, to go there with guys like Cam Hayward and T.J. Wad, like I mentioned earlier, and be around that organization and that old school football.

Like, they're obsessed with ball. And that fan base in the towel. It was one of my coolest experiences in it. And even though it didn't, you know, it was only a year there. It was kind of one of my best experiences and the relationships I have there. Then going to New York and, you know, playing there

and I got to, you know, be around a great organization there that's, you know, been, you know, world class. I think what's been amazing about that is, is like it was humbling. I just threw 450, three touchdowns against the Cowboys. If I only got a benched after the third game. And I say, okay, this is different. But to be able to respond and react to that and still say,

you know, I still have a C on my chest. I still got a lead. I still got to love. I still got to push. I still got to. So like nothing's taken the way Nothing's taken the love of the game away from me And nobody can because if you really love it

And if it's unconditional it can't be taken And so I've been tested And that's what part of overcoming is all about right We all have challenges in our own personal lives We have the challenges, things that we've gone through Physically injuries You know like I battle through injuries And playing through stuff

And that's just what the job recalls It calls for as we all know that sitting here And so sometimes those years maybe not your best, but once you catch, like, once you hit fire again, it's like, it's electric again. And so that's just, that's just, you know, finding that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, how was, how was, how was, uh, how was the room in general in the, in the, in New York with, uh, Jackson Dara, which, which, I'm sure, you had the other creatine Caucasian, Camp Scataboo scampering around somewhere. He's banging his head against the wall outside of the creatine, what? Creightine Caucasians.

Oh, my God. We've actually, that's our. We started that, yeah? So, yeah, dude, I mean, they, you see Jackson the way he's playing. Kid refuses to slide. Cam Scadaboo will be on a B-line. He'll see somebody like, I'll hit him instead. And then, you know, James Winston, who, anytime he's in the public light, it's like the, it's, it's a must-see TV.

Like, what is that room like? You know, what's amazing about the room is this, the personalities are amazing. We're always up here. Energy's always high. But I think what was amazing about the room is our, work ethic. Like our work ethic was top notch every day. There was no like slacking of let's be ready to go. Let's be ready to work. You know, and I think we set the bar high, you know, in doing that every day. I try to set the bar high. I think James does a good job of that as well. And Jackson, you know, too,

he's a great competitor, you know, and obviously shows that on the field how he plays. And so it was always fun. It was always, you know, a joy, even in the midst of the storms and the tough stuff. Like, I mean, we're there early in the morning. It's 5.5.30, you know, early in the morning, getting our workouts in, and staying consistent with that all the way to, you know, late in the season and being there until 8.30 a night watching film still all together, you know, with the boys, you know, filming with the boys. But we, you know, those things are, the love of the game never changes. And I think, like I said, it's unconditional.

How much different is the New York media compared to the other spots you've been? I don't know, man. I'm used to a lot of media. I don't know. I've been, you know, I think in Seattle, we were, we were so freaking good. There was so much media always around. So I was used to it. You know, it was what it was. I think, you know, in Pittsburgh was similar to, you know, Pittsburgh has a lot of media in a great way.

And I think obviously being in New York, there's no city like New York City in the world. And so to me it was, you know, it didn't really change anything for me. I've been used to a lot of noise, positively or negatively, whatever. It's just, I have a rule. Like, I don't watch ESPN during the season. I've always been that way. Not on Thursdays?

Damn. With us on get up? Yeah. Might see us on the screen in the facility? I mean, like, if I'm like, walk through the training room, a locker room, it's like, you just feel like.

But that's always been me since my rookie year, but that's during the season, you know, and like, just keeping your head focus. That's a, it's very good to limit distractions because, I mean, I remember playing and then that dreaded search bar on the Twitter. Yeah. You go and type your name and it's also through success though too.

It's like, you know, like I said, it's been, you know, 10, 11 rounds of high level ball, you know, the highest level. And that can get you too, you know, that can. So like, especially in the midst of a season. So how do you stay focused on just in the moment? And, you know, I think one of the gifts that God's giving me, one is the sermon. I think, too, is just simply the ability to compartmentalize, you know, the ability to, you know, the ability to, you know, take one thing and be in that moment and be where my feet are. And then to be in the next moment, be where that is.

And sometimes you've got to combine the two, but sometimes you just leave that and do that really well and try to do this and try to overcome this and try to figure out how to do that well and do this and be in a vulnerable state and that goes challenging and it's hard to do well. And then everything over here is going great. And then like, so how do you measure that. And how I've learned how to do that is just be in the moment where you are and then just letting it flow and just being. in that. And so, you know, I always talk about being neutral, not being too high, not being too low, just being right here and knowing that whatever sucks right now is probably going to turn to good.

And whatever's good may not be great one day. And you just get to be like, okay, well, that's going to turn back to being great again. And you just balance that and you understand that. And ultimately, it's about the people you're around, you know, and we can be around good people and do that love you and care and this and that. And knowing that they know that you're not perfect either and you're flawed and you have tough stuff. and you got life and at the same time

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climbing on top of a piano and he's like stand on top of here and he's like standing a little bit higher and he's like look down and he does a visualization of like okay if your feet on the ground right This is a little thing he does, but if you're feet on the ground, right? Are you nervous? If you look down, you're not nervous, right? You go up another foot and you look down, you're nervous. And he shows a picture of this guy sleeping on top of a bridge, like in New York City building these skyscrapers.

And the guys are like, don't have anything really much. And they're like, they're probably have like a thing of alcohol in their hand. They're falling asleep and they're laying asleep on the skyscraper in the middle of afternoon. He's like, do you think those guys are scared? He's like, as you go higher, right? And this piece of wood that's, you know, three feet wide. When it was on the ground, it wasn't scary, right? When you get higher and higher, higher, and you look down, it makes you a little nervous, right?

But it's the same piece of wood. And so, like, you always, like, I always love that visualization because as you go higher, right, and you're in the same fundamental space, but sometimes you look down, it's like, and you're on the highest point of your life, you know, sometimes that gets a little, I'm like, I'm nervous. Yeah. And you look down and like, okay, well, what if I fall from here? You know, you can't think that way.

Yeah. Those guys aren't thinking that way. They're building those skyscrapers. And if you want to build them, you got to go up there and climb and not be nervous. Right. No harder. And so, like, those little moments, I remember. I think that he was always the same.

Me and Pete were always in the same wavelength. I think one of the things that we always did really extremely well was I think the head coach and quarterback relationship has got to be on the same page. It's got to be the dynamic relationship. relationship of that is everything. It moves the needle. It moves when you can be on the same page to the media. We can be on the same page on the same page in the locker room being the same page You know off the field in the community this and that and that relationship They're the same page with the addiction to the game That's when magic happens and I think I was fortunate to be around Pete and

You know and I'm looking for that next relationship to do that with but I think that's that's something that was really special Did you ever think when you're having all those years in Seattle? You went the the Super Bowl early, the 2015 year happens where you lose, did you ever think like, hey, we'll be back here at some point? And that's been the last time you've been at a Super Bowl. Yeah, I think we always think that, you know, we always think that we're always going to be back. But I think it's not just about necessarily being back. It's just about being in the moments as you continue to go. Like, the only way we got there was through hard work every day and the love for the game. And some of the all-time greats have never been to a Super Bowl.

Yeah. Like I think about the guys. Myself, yeah. Yeah, you know. But I think, when you think about, like, the all-time greats of what they do, oh and two in the first round. Yeah, you know, it's sometimes. Will loved his joke. But, you know, it's sometimes we get to the, you know, we never get there.

And I've been fortunate to get there twice and know how to get there. And I think, you know, like I said earlier at the very top of this earlier on is like guys like John Elway that I've always loved. love watching you know when I was young and different guys who along the way when they've you know watching the highlights or whatever it may be you know a guy who won at the end you know a guy like Peyton Manning who I've always admired and played against and competed against and this and that like you know he won in the end you know and like why not win some at the end yeah yeah so that's kind of the right the end of your story the way you always saw it happening how's um I lost my

train I thought well um I have another one what do you feel question for you guys like yeah what's the journey been like for you guys transitioning from football this obviously you guys have built this crazy you know business with this and everything else and all the viewership and everything else like what was the challenge and journey and that for you guys each individually obviously you know you world class and what you've done saying to you so so going from being world class on football and i i don't i'm joking but i'm also being serious like being like think about it right there's only 1600 roughly a little bit more than that NFL guys a year.

You know, when you think about that, right, like your world class is 8.5 billion people in the world. And we get to do, get to, you know, sack a quarterback every once on our interceptable or whatever it may be. Drop two things. You know. Drops. But like my point is that like when you think about all the things you guys have been

accomplished throughout your lives, careers, football, and what football meant, I think just, you know, the transition from that. What was the one thing that you guys did extremely well? to make that like jump to what you guys are doing now? I would say jump when you can afford to drown. I want to see the biggest hurdle was probably fear for myself. I'll speak for myself.

But when I was in, what was that, the six or, gosh, dang it's six or seventh the year. It's just the fear of knowing like what am I going to do when this is over with for me? Because I had five awesome years in Washington, loved playing there. and I signed with Tennessee on like a one year smaller deal. And that year they also drafted Rashon Evans, a inside backer in the first round. So you kind of like know what time it is. And in my spot then I never root for injury.

But if I'm going to get film, if I'm going to get on the field, you kind of need things to happen to where I have an opportunity to be out there. And so that didn't happen. So I was a backup and a special team's guy that entire year. I knew I was going to go into the market as a minimum signed contract veteran, which is fine. but part of me was like it was starting to set in like I could be I'm on the back nine like I don't know when this is going to end like I might have one more year left I might need the perfect situation and I dabble with the idea like I remember writing in my journal in Washington like I loved to have a podcast with one million downloads was the first it was the first iteration where I started writing about the podcast and then kind of getting around the boys bringing it up like Taylor Logan Ryan we just saw him this week but Derek Morgan when I would bring it up they'd be like hey yeah you should do you should do it I talked to

Taylor into doing it, but I would say for me, it was just that fear of knowing like, I don't want to wait until after the game ends because my like joke when I'm, what advice would you give to guys for when they're playing football or maybe after football, be like, man, dive into your curiosities while you're playing because your jokes are funny. You're better looking and you can shake more hands like when you are wearing the shield on you and don't wait because then when you wait and it's on the other side, like, you know, you see the guys where, and I'm not saying it's across the board, but just the,

the vibe of when you're out of the league and trying to get something going, it's just a different, it's a different feel for when you're trying to get something started versus when you have the momentum when you are pulling. That's really good. It's great advice too for guys. Yeah. So, you always say the NFL's not for long. Yeah. They tell you, well, just focus on football. But at the same time, you know, the lifetime span of a guy's 200.8, three years. So if you don't, you know, focus on building and grafting, but also staying focused. And I think the ability to be disciplined in that. Yeah, man. And so that, just that whole mentality of like, man, I've really, been curious to do this. Taylor's on board with doing it. Like I would hate to get to where I'm like,

I regretted that we didn't start a podcast or I didn't start a podcast because it's like, do I go into coaching? Like, what things am I interested in doing? And so I feel like at that moment, I was like, all right, if we start this podcast, now you're making, you're taking something and you're kind of making it more about yourself because we know growing, you know playing football, we've identified our entire life since like first or second grade. It's always sacrifice for the logo. And you see when guys retire, it's like the logo wants you to sacrifice for it while you're playing, but the moment you're done, it's not like they're there laying with you at night and holding your hand to the next thing. So I'm like, all right, if I play myself out of the league

by having this podcast, jump when you can afford your ground. So be it. Like, let's just, let's try it. And fortunately, I got to play a few more extra years. I felt like I was playing with house money because I just found like the love I had for the game when I was a little kid because it's so business oriented when you're in the league, especially when you taste and you feel the teeth for the first time when you're like riding high and then a team doesn't resign you or there's just all the ego involved where you're like okay this isn't what i thought it would be at times um and so yeah that's what i would say would be the hardest part of the biggest thing is getting over the mental hurdle of that fear of like all right like let's do it yeah let's figure out let's see if this

works it's so interesting hearing you say your perspective because we were like will and i were in totally different parts of our career when this podcast started like will was thinking like oh i'm almost done and I was always a guy that was like all eggs in one basket if that doesn't work out I'm sure I'll find something so when it was like NFLPA's coming in hey by the way you guys can do all these things and make sure you network I was like dude fuck that like I'm playing football I am the guy that's going to just be the best I can at this and it's all going to work out so when will comes to the to the Titans from the Redskins I just signed my my contract to be the highest paid player or highest played tackle he was mr. unlimited he ain't going to

They ain't going to touch Taylor. I had myself a nice little bag. You know what that's like, come on. So I meet my boy. We obviously have like a great friendship like from the start. And when he comes to me with this idea, my first thought wasn't I got to figure out what's next. It was still fear,

but the fear was like, I wonder what people, my peers are going to think about this. Yeah, exactly. Because it's so different because now there's so many podcasts that players do. Active NFL players, basketball players all over the place are doing this. But at the time I don't think I,

I'm sure someone did, but no one was doing this before that. So it was like a fear of like, okay, I'm gonna go into building. Yeah, especially in football. Yes.

And all the things, like we're all brainwashing the idea that like when you play football, like it's a team sport. And if you make it about yourself at all, like you're cheating the game and you're cheating your brothers. And by me stepping out and be doing this podcast, it was like am I kind of like, am I fucking the boys over?

I kind of felt like. And the media can take any bite that you have and turn it into whatever they want to. And dude, the first podcast we did was with Delaney, Walker and he talked about getting an IV with too much air in it that the Titans gave him and he couldn't play a game. It was a preseason game. He thought he was going to die. So the next day I go into practice or whenever it came out, I go into OTA's practice and we and the training staff is looking at me like I killed somebody in their family and I'm like, what's what's this all about?

Going to a team meeting and Vrable pulls up that clip. Yeah. And let's it just play. And I'm sitting there in this thing like this is the biggest mistake I could have possibly made is doing this. And Vrabel's just like, hey, if you guys want to have cute. little media platforms go ahead, but just know that the media's going to take anything you say and it's going to twist it against you. So that was probably the first year and a half. So how do you respond to that

part of it with that? Because, you know, like you said, when you got the bag like yourself, there was a level of security. Yeah, there was definitely a level of security, but you know what it is like when you're high paid, like you're, there's an expected leadership. That's what I mean. There becomes like a, like you said, it becomes more challenging because the higher you go, there's a different level. fear. Yeah, right.

Because it's, you look down and it's, like you said earlier, like you're on that skyscraper. Yeah. You're highest paid left tackle. And just use your skyscraper analogy. Like, I'm building a skyscraper in football. And I got my boy over here being like, let's build this over here. So I've essentially jump off that to go to this and jump back and forth, hoping like everything kind of works out. So Taylor calls me right after the meeting.

It tells me, I'm not this. My year, my one year had finished, I'm a free agent at this time. But I'm like, oh, shit, Vrabel's piss. Like, I'm feeling like I'm still fearing the fear in the fear of God that Vrable can bring to you. times and it's we're just like uh essentially you we got to be careful even though we do want to do this so we get like 10 episodes in and rabel is like okay i'll come to do your little podcast i'll do it and then that's where we had the viral clip of him saying he'd cut us piece off for a super bowl and when he had that it was like that brayble coming on was obviously massive for our brand but

it was also a massive for like me knowing that like okay like by him coming on he's essentially toast on like it's okay that you're doing yeah giving us like a verification that. And I know you got to get out here, but there's like, there's a whole world of during the season. Like, I don't want to go,

let's say I have a bad football game. And then I'm on Monday, been like, guys, welcome in the buss road, the boys bowl. And it's like, well,

this guy doesn't care about football. When really, it's a complete opposite. It's a complete opposite. Like, I care. Like, my extracurricular outside, like guys are playing video games.

They're investing in real estate. They're doing all these other things. Mine's just where you can see exactly what I'm doing and when I'm doing it. But it's hard to portray that to the public. That's a really good point because like I think like you said, that skyscraper level becomes everybody, there's a microscope on everything you do.

And then as you mentioned, like some guy's obsession may be video games and that's fine. Like they play 2K all day. Yeah. Like meanwhile you may be like for me like I like business. Like that's my big thing. So I want to create real business, real relationships. But also because it's what I was trained to do when I was young.

My dad used always say, hey, create a business. We'd be in the car. I'd be eight years old. Hey, what's your business idea? Create this, do that. And that was something that was important to me and the relationship I had with my dad, my mom, and what I wanted to do.

So I was always using my imagination in a different way. Another person may use their imagination by drawing, whatever. They get some guys that love art, whatever it may be. And so like we're still human. We're still, you know, we still have liked interest, you know, outside the game. And like I said earlier, you know, NFL stands for not for long. So when you go for that rookie symposium the first day,

the guy walks on stage and he's like, Your first day, I never forget it. He walks on stage, is what does the NFL stand for? I'm like, National Football League is like, no. And I'm like, not for long. He said, start thinking about plan B now. That's when you're a rookie. Yeah.

But then when you have success, nobody wants you to think about plan B. Isn't that crazy? Which is interesting. Yeah. So like there's this dynamic of the fear of, okay, well, hopefully I make it. I was a third round pick, third string quarterback coming into training camp. I'm zoned in, focused, this and that. But then at the same time, I have this love for business.

I was handing out business cards at NC State. I had no business. I love that. I need a business card. I really had business cards. And I was handing it out to people just so I could get their emails. My nice to meet you. And I just did that on my own creative thought because I wanted to have relationships

and emails and numbers and people that I could stay in touch with when the game was over. Right. Right. But I was doing that. That wasn't new. I was doing that. I was a freshman in college. And so like I also remember to being a freshman in college at NC State and I always had my shirt tucked in

I used to get made fun of it for it and I never forget I remember J.R. Sweeney being like bro I appreciate you. I was like he was like you always consistent you always had your shirt done and he would always tuck his shirt in. But like it was funny because that small little detail you get made fun of because you're trying to be professional and trying to be focused when I'm inside the white lines when I'm inside the weight room when I'm inside the building when I'm that's what I do. Okay, now somebody else, they do the same thing, but they may want to do something else that their love is. They may love, like I said earlier, maybe video games. Mine was playing college baseball. Mine was doing whatever.

And so like, we all have these love and passions, but also too, from a sometimes even from a fan base standpoint or a humanizing standpoint, people judge you because, oh, he doesn't love the game, but you're not there at 445 in the morning when I'm getting treatment or not there. We'll tell you about my obsessive nature with football. Yeah, yeah. You're not there when it's hard and you're getting treatment until 1 o'clock in the morning because you got to be able to play for the next week.

Like that's that's the everyday piece of us, right, to be successful, to be one of the 1,600 and however many players that it is, right? And so I just think that it's an interesting dynamic. And I think obviously what you guys have created. That's well, I was curious, like what you guys created, the timing of what you did and the success that you guys have had. And obviously, you're seeing that with guys like Pat McAfee, seeing what you guys have done. And that's, you know, I think the opportunity to come on the show with you guys, you know, and just being on a show,

I know you guys have talked a little shit about me along the way. You know? I've taken you on a walk before because you talked about watching, you talked about watching a billion hours of film when you flew, I think, to Denver. Is that what it was?

It was like 80,000 hours of film. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think he said he watched every game. 80,000, come on. I don't know if I said 80,000, but I was joking about that. But I was joking about that. No, but I'm saying, don't back down now.

You back to tell me. Just because I'm just because I'm a lot. He came off the plane and he's like, I've watched every bit of film and I'm thinking, come on man. Yeah, I will say this, Russ. We have talked a little bit. We've used some jaw sets,

but it's big of you to come on and hang out because it has been. Well, I saw you guys, the whole way in the elevator, you're like, hey, would you come on the show? Like, yeah, you guys are like, he's not going on the show. I know. I was like, oh, he'll make him

with the boys. Come on, man. But no, I think that, man, I just think that, no, I'm grateful. I, listen, I know what I, I, when you, like I said, when you play in the, the national football you get to do what I've been fortunate to be able to do with the amazing teammates, amazing people, amazing organizations and stuff. And you, uh, you know, sometimes you

have the crown on your head and all that. Everybody wants to shoot at you. That's, that's just part of it, you know, but the crown is heavy. But at the same time, you know, I've also been to the tough place in the valley and knowing that obstacle too and climbing out of that. Like I said, being pushed up sometimes and, you know, having some help. And like to me, you know, I've always known there's going to be critics and there's always going to be stuff and there's always going to be jokes and you got to have thick skin man like the end of the day man I get the ball on my hands I get to do it again and like all I want to do is win another ring hopefully too and uh you know like for me it's just like that's just what I love and and if I don't get to do it you know win another Super Bowl again like

you know what like I know that I gave my all every day and nobody I've ever played with can say that Russell Wilson didn't give us all like period and whether you love me hate me don't like me I don't care. It doesn't matter. I love the game probably more than anybody else and how I go about it. And so for me, it's just being focused on the next moment, you know, being gratitude. And that's with all the success. And that's also same, same thought. If you had a little tough time, a little failure along the way. And is it really failure? I just think it's lessons along the way. And so, man, like it's been good to be on Bustin with the boys. And it's good to, you know, have a little fun on here. Official friend of the show. Yeah. Official friend of the show.

I love that. I appreciate it. What do you see now? What's the feeling in your body when you watch the dangerous Subway Sandwich commercial? Man, like the funny thing is that commercial was out for a little bit. And it wasn't anything. You know, like, the funny thing is that like that commercial was out. I don't know how long, probably several months, you know, maybe even a year.

Before it started to just go and take off. But I didn't have social media at the time. So like my first year and then, I'm playing with this torn light. Like I said, and I wasn't even seeing this stuff. So like I never Was you seen the let's ride? Was you seen the less ride? No,

I was saying let's ride Yeah, I was saying that. But I wasn't seen on social media I wasn't paying attention to like, I wasn't on social media for like 90% of the year, 80% of the year. So I wasn't seeing that part of it.

So what's funny is that like I got to the end of the season, the season's over, this and that like probably two weeks later after the season, you know, whatever. I'm like by myself and I think he's with me or whatever. And I'm like,

I like download Twitter again, whatever, and I, like, see all this stuff. And I'm like, oh, that's what people were saying. Yeah. All right. And so, like, what's just crazy because, like, you just, you know what? Like, you know, you got to like, you got to be able to just be like, whatever. And I think part of it is that I've been fortunate, like I said, I've been very, very blessed to be around so many great teammates, so many great people, so many great coaches and things too along the way and organization. But, you know, we go back to my time in Seattle and we've, you know, been up here and then it doesn't go that way.

It's like, ah, I got it. You know, it's like, that's okay. I'm going to come. I'm going to show up again. And I think that part of it, like I said, 16 round fight, 10, 11 of them have been great. Okay. Maybe the past couple haven't been as great as I want them to be, but it doesn't mean I won't win 15 and 16. And I'll bet on myself every day just because of the work ethic and the mentality.

And you can't make me waiver. Like I said, my love for the game is unconditionally. It's unconditional. It's unconditional and that doesn't change. And so we'll strap it up. The whistle will blow again and we'll go and we'll see what happens. Do you see, do you understand why it's hard to do 30 minutes? Tough.

It's tough to do 30 minutes. We got, we got the heat, we got the concept. Ask the butt light question. What like question? You know how people do anything, anything, anybody? People would do anything for an ice cold but light. What would Russell do anything for? Can't say family.

What, wait, so who would I do anything? Anything for? What would I do anything? What would you do anything for? Can't say kids. Anything for? Like anything? Anything, bro.

Anything, bro. Oh, man. Would do anything for? Um, I don't know, man. I think I would say I would do anything to sit with my dad again. My dad is no longer living. It would be like two in a row.

Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Keep going. Like, to me, that would be like the one thing that I would do anything for. Like, for my kids received, but my kids to see my dad again, to see, like, they never saw him, but to see him,

like, but for me to sit down and talk to him again, you know, like, to go through the great moments, but also go talk about the tough moments. I know he's been watching them all from up above, but like, what was your perspective? Dad, what would you do different? What would you tell me, like, what would you pat me on the back and say you did great, you know?

Like, that to me would be like, the one thing that if I had anything, to ask for again would be that. Bo Jackson said something very, he said his mom. And it's just, the minute both of you said it, it's like you kind of want to cry.

Yeah, because I lost my mom a couple years ago. So when Bo came out of left field because he had a big pause when he said and he's like, sit with my mom again, and you're saying it about your dad, like knowing your story about,

you know, when that happened. Yeah, I love the answer. Phenomenal. We all go through stuff. Life is challenging, but it's about the people we're around.

It's about the people that have influenced this. It's the type of the people that also hurt us along the way that we gotta just like forgive to and like you know like that was a lesson maybe God gave us that tough stuff so that way we can also improve

for somebody else down the road and all the things that we go through right and it's like man like I just wish I could be with my dad again there's a great Luther Vandross song like my father and he said like if I could spend time my father again whatever so like I think about that song all the time you know but yeah so

that would be the one thing that's beautiful man we really appreciate taking the time. I appreciate you guys. Official, official friend of the show, Russell Wilson. Yeah, God, I'm in Nashville now. His team's like he'll never come on again. He's been in an hour. So we'll get you out of here, man.

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