Bussin' With The Boys - Ryan Hurd & Ernest

Episode Date: August 10, 2020

Recorded: June 24, 2020 On today's episode, Will and Taylor sit down with country music singer/songwriter, Ryan Hurd. Will and Ryan start this one off with an overview of Ryan's path to success in The Music City, his new EP, being married to Maren Morris, and much more. Later on, recurring guest, Ernest, crashes the pod. This breaks into he and Ryan swapping their craziest stories on tour, their different experiences in Nashville's music scene, and they give Will and Taylor a first-hand experience of writing a song. Other topics include what it takes to get a song on the radio, Michigan Football's rebuilding era, being a musician vs being an athlete, and more. Crack a beer, or two, and laugh with all The Boys in this action-packed episode! Enjoy! ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB/ Website: https://www.bussinwtb.comFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We don't have, we don't really do many Like just straight in like intros So we don't gotta wait for me to be like Okay, this is Bustin with the boys You do this, blah blah blah Have you listened to us? I love, I love the pod Dude, let's go

Hey boys, there we go, some energy I was a, the Delaney one was the one that got me hooked. Oh, that was our first one. That was just, just, that dude. Is he not like the best? He's awesome because you see him around town. Like, he'll go out to dinner and have like his people and like, so you see that dude out.

I've seen him like at Red Door and I've seen him at like on the, you know, east side. Who is that Ernest? Is that Ernest? We got Ernest, Ernest Keith. I always call him Ernest Kay. Call him Snow. Yeah, that's what I know. He's about to crash the pod.

Ernest Kay Smith. But this is going to be a great pod. We got Ryan. heard. We got earnest about to crash. We got country music all over the place. You have something coming out soon, don't you? Yeah, man. I have an EP coming out on Friday. So that's the, I don't know what I am lost on dates and days, but. Yeah, whenever this comes out, we don't know yet. 26th of June. So that's this Friday, two days. Now explain, this is going to be a stupid question. Explain to me what EP means. Like, why does that different from this album?

So EP is, all right. In music, back in the day, when you were making records, you'd have like 45. and you'd have like 33s and 78s. But they abbreviated, EP means extended play, but for some reason we use it to say a shorter album. So basically EP is usually like a four, five, six song record that you put out. And, you know, because, you know, it takes, you know, so much of a marketing push to put out like a full, like 12-song album.

And just it's really expensive to do it. A lot of times newer artists like me put out, you know, a four or five song collection. just to get new music out there and to build a brand and to build a fan base. But this one's different because I put out three original ones. But this one is like kind of B-sides and alternate versions of songs. Because when I got to Nashville, I went to college at Belmont, but I started writing songs for other people.

So that's been my job here for eight years, nine years now. And then I've along the way gotten a record deal and started like pushing my own music out at the same time. but this EP that comes out on Friday is songs that I've written for other people with my voice on them. So songs that you're saying you've already written these songs for other people and they've already been put out. But now they're going to be in your voice because you wrote them. Sure. They're like hits that I've written for other people and then a live version of a song that is on one of my records called Wish for the World is on there. And then it's just all recordings of songs I've written for other people. So we'll back up to the, you said, nine years ago, you started writing in Nashville.

So when you're writing songs for other people and then you start getting your own gigs, how are you implementing yourself as you're writing songs for other people? And like, oh, this is killer. Are you kind of like, hey, could I sing it maybe? I don't know, man. It's so hard to get your song recorded by somebody else that you sort of, when it happens, it's just a massive victory. So I look at what I do in Nashville.

like two different shoes. It's like I got a right foot and a left foot. And I can't really imagine doing one without the other because like a lot of people have found out about me as a, as an artist because of the songs I've written for other people. And then on the other side of that, a lot of artists that I've toured with and stuff have, I've had a lot of opportunities to like write with and for them because they've, you know, seen me as an artist and liked like to a tee or something that I've put out like on my own name. So they sort of like feed each other. They're like, weirdly like separate businesses, but they are really complimentary. So were you, was your goal when you were starting to, like, obviously be a musician and singer

where you are now, but when you're writing at first, is that something that you're just separating the entire time, like you weren't expecting somebody to be like, hey, you seem like you got a nice voice? And it was the other way around. I wanted to be a writer because I just think it's the coolest job in the world, man. Oh, really? Yeah, I wanted to write songs. Because when I got here, I was like, wait a minute, there's people who just write the songs.

they don't have to tour. They don't have to... And I didn't, like, find my singing voice, really until I was, like, a couple years into my writing, I don't think. Because it's mostly, like, singing is just about style. Yeah. I mean, some people can rip. Like, my wife is Marin Morris, and she's just, like, obviously a very...

Yeah, she's like the... She's like the stud. Yeah, she can sing. She's got, like, one of those voices that's like, well, that's not normal. That's... But for guys like me, most... I think most people who work in country music, it's like, you sort of... are more of a stylist than a vocalist half the time.

And so, like, I didn't find that until I had written some songs for other people. And, like, people started sort of copying my voice on their records. And that's when I started getting looks from, like, record companies. And I actually said no a couple times. I was like, man, I just want to, this is getting rolling for me. I just want to write. Stay home. So you prefer being the writer.

Well, then eventually, I was like, ah, I got to try this. Yeah. I don't know. It's cool, man. It's hard. I mean, a lot of work being the artist on that. that. Like, it's, the artist part is like 90% not music. Like, all the stuff that goes in behind somebody just performing on. It's not like you're going to go like, like, I don't know,

there's not a whole lot of music that goes on. It's mostly like doing busing with the boys, but not that fun. Yeah. That makes sense? You're doing a whole lot of press and you're doing a whole lot of like just work with radio stations but it's mostly just like riding on a bus waiting around to play you know yeah that's what being an artist is and then doing all the press and all the stuff around it but when you're a writer you're 100% creative all the time and that's the coolest part about that and that's you know you don't get like the glory of it you know you don't like have like two thousand people screaming your song back back at you when you're the writer but you get a lot of respect in town and you get obviously a lot of respect where it matters the most

Sure, from like those artists and those people in town that really respect it. And there's a whole like songwriting community that's really special. And so I'm really lucky to get to do both things, man. I get to like still write songs for other people. I've had a really cool year, honestly, as a writer. And then had my first ever, my song, To a T, went platinum like a month ago, which is crazy. Oh, let's go. We got platinum, boys.

Zach, where you had? Chase, you got to partake in the clapping. I don't know if you get it. My tour manager Chase is here, and he's a huge part of everything we do. But then, you know, I don't know. It's just been a cool, sort of like this is the balance I've always wanted to strike, and I've finally gotten to do that. That's fucking awesome, dude.

I know, like from the outside looking in, and you talk to people who, like Ernest, I know he has a lot of respect for writing. And people who write, but they're not like the voice. Because when you're, I guess, ignorant too, you just think the artist, makes this like they write it they do all the stuff and then now that i since i've moved here and you get to talk with people like yourself like ernest you realize they're so like a lot of those people they just funneling the song and they're just kind of the face to sure to the song or to the album hey man you need a vehicle right you need a bus yeah no doubt i don't know man i it it's crazy

i know earnest because we have just started riding together you know in the last year and he's one of the honestly there's there's not a lot of people who swing a different hammer Like most people you sit down with you, like, okay, we can write a great song. I feel like everybody's the same amount of talented. And then you meet people like Earn or like Michael Hardy or Marin. Honestly, Marin's the best songwriter I've ever ever encountered. Your wife. Yeah.

And we started, we met writing songs. Big Flex. I believed that way before we were actually together. But like there's those dudes that you meet like Earn or like Hardy or you're just like, oh my God, this guy, this guy. Well, they kind of separate, I guess, from the pack a little bit. This guy can, they just spit brilliance and you're like, I'm just recording you. Like, that's what I did with Ernest.

When we wrote Heartless for Diplo and Morgan Wallen, and half of that was just like, me, like, with my phone sticking it in front of Ernest and like just recording it so that we could go back and make sure we had it down. Like that, I mean, that dude's just a brilliant guy. And then you guys are doing that and then you kind of give the, product to the voice you want to match. Man, it's so hard. So we each have, it's called publishers.

They're like record companies for songwriters. They own, or they are partners with you in, you know, your copyright. But what they do is they like book your calendar. So they're like, you know, yesterday I wrote with with Hardy and Monday I wrote with a buddy Matt and Ross Copperman, but like they book your calendar and then they take the songs and the demos that you make and they pitch them out to artists and labels. And so they're the ones who are supposed to like. exploit the music, get it recorded.

But like, it's just funny how songs find a way, man. It's like, they're all like undrafted free agents. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, how do you, like, they just go through each little step and eventually they, like, a miracle happens. Yeah. So, like, oh, this, sometimes I'll send a song to somebody or I'll write it with the artist.

And I wrote a song with Kane Brown called Worldwide Beautiful. and that's one that just like was sort of like a magic like magic you know what I mean and some days it's magic but other times it's like the song goes through like this manager and then like they show the artist and the artist holds it and then like they record it and then like it's like a series of like 10 coin flips all coming up heads in order to have a hit on the radio and that's like what we're all going for is just like have those big hits so um but public publishers help with those 10 coin flips. Gotcha.

They're the ones who get, like, make sure each step is, they're trying to get the song heard by whoever can make decisions to record and put them out. Gotcha. So that's where the importance of, like, is the publisher kind of the same as the label? Yeah, but on the writing side. Gotcha. Yeah, they're important. They're awesome, man.

Signing with those teams, like, when people sign deals and stuff. Because sometimes you wonder, like, if somebody's very good at music, Why would they sign with anybody if they can kind of get it out themselves? Sure. That's me thinking that, not having any idea. Honestly, it's easier to do that now than it's ever been. And a lot of these dudes who are like a lot of these guys who get it moving on their own and then partner with a label, like they own a lot of that stuff.

It's like most people. The label owns a lot of that stuff? No, the artists alike do like a joint venture with the label. So like it's kind of swinging back like in favor of the artists now in a cool way because of the way people listen to music now, because of the internet, because of... So more leverages came to the... Oh, yeah.

Okay, that's good. But, man, it's a cool time to make music, especially in Nashville. Like, I, everybody, feels like everybody wants a piece of what we're doing, and that's really cool. I mean, Marin did The Middle with Zed. Diplo made a country record.

It feels like every country artist is getting, like, a pop artist to, like, feature on their big hits. Like, Gabby Barrett just had Charlie Pee. Puth on hers. So it just, it feels like Nashville's like in a really great spot as a genre. And, you know, you could always have all these people who like love or don't love what's happening on music row.

I just, I'm like a head down guy. Like, I just put my head down and keep doing my thing and don't like read too much about like what's country and what's not. But I do love, like, I do think that we're in a really cool spot as a genre and as a, just as a creative city because this is the best music town in the world. Oh, bar none. It's not even close to me as far as like the songwriting community, the proximity that everybody has and just like the overall talent. It's amazing how much great music is made here, whether it's released or not. Do you feel like you have much of like, you know how everybody argues like,

oh, this is more country than that and like the old days and. the new stuff. I'm not Sturgle and I know it and that's okay with me and I you know there's going to be those dudes who just want to listen to that stuff and that's great and it's not like a I think that's absolutely country music obviously probably more traditional country music than what we do but yeah you know it's just so funny the way that the internet works it's just all these like genre lines have blended yeah so much and uh I don't know not that worried about that conversation yeah yeah I would love to make like a really, like a much more traditional country record at some point. But I've sort of gone down this lane now where I get to, I've sort of created a sound.

And it's really, it's creative fan base and I really have enjoyed that part of it. Yeah. And it's not super traditional country at all. So I'm just never going to be that guy. I'm not going to win that one. Yeah. And I know it. I'm fine with it.

What do you enjoy doing more? writing or touring and kind of doing the whole musician thing? I can't, I don't know. Writing is great until you get burnt. And so the fun part about being, like, doing both is that I very rarely get, like, burnt out on writing. Because when you feel like you're starting to get burnt, you kind of... Just don't do it as much as I used to.

You used to be, like, when you get going, you're writing, like, five or six songs a week. And just you run out of ideas and sort of get, feels like work a little bit more. Like you're trying to force it? Right now I'm writing like two or three a week and I feel like I hit the bull's eye a little bit more. Yeah. Because of my mind is fresh and I usually have ideas and I'm only writing with people that I love. I'm not trying out a whole bunch of news. It's just a cool thing to like feel like I feel like I'm in my prime a little bit.

Yeah. Like as a creative person and I don't know. It's been cool to, uh, it's been cool to like get into that spot. But I miss touring, man. I miss the people the most. I don't miss airplanes, but I miss, like,

my bus. Yeah. We, we have a cool crew and I miss my boys. And I miss, like, obviously,

like, we, we have a really cool road situation. And it's like, we have, like, a mixed bus. We have girls and guys on it.

Everybody's working. And everybody, it's always a really, like, great mood. And we just, we did it like our, my headline tour just,

I mean, the last two weeks got canceled because of this shit. But, um, I miss that, man, I miss, I miss electric guitars. Yeah. I miss my people, though.

That's what I miss. When do you get to go on the road next, or do you know? I'm supposed to play Labor Day weekend. Chase, what the hell? We'll see. Where are we going? Chase is just waiting for the same thing I'm waiting on. It's exactly right.

Waiting for somebody to go. You just set it up whenever you get the green light. Exactly. Okay. Yeah, Chase is a tour manager, so anything that has to do with moving me from point A to point B is Chase's job. He doesn't set up point A and B. No, that's a booking

agents do that. Okay. Learning. I have an agent at William Morris who books all of my live performances. I rock the shows. And then you have a manager who's sort of like the C.O. Of what you're doing. Yeah.

And then there's just so many people involved. You have a record company, agent, manager. What else? tour manager Is it dumb to assume that you and your wife you guys have kind of the same team? Or do you guys have the same team? We have the same managers.

Okay. So you guys kind of work with like a lot of the same people? We do. Yeah. And our bands are really close. Like we've, they all work really closely together. We've toured together quite a bit,

played a lot of the same festivals. And I, we were going to tour this year. I was going to open a handful of her, like, headline shows. Because we just had a baby. And so that's kind of, I don't know, I didn't really want to be away from him all that much. And she obviously wants me out. You got a boy, right?

What's his name? His name is Hayes. Hayes, Andrew. Dude, shout out Hayes Andrew. When was he, when was he born? March 23rd of this year. So he's a COVID baby. He was born in the pandemic.

Yeah. He has no clue. It was like the first week that they had like shut the hospitals down. It was crazy. And no visitors. Just me. And like some people start like other places not here, but like you were hearing stories about like. That like dad's not being able to go because of this stuff.

Like I don't know. Maybe that happened. Maybe it didn't. But we were terrified. And but no visitors, which actually looking back like that's okay. It was just kind of cool to be us. You guys got to have your moment. And then like my parents and her parents came over like when we got home.

But yeah, it was, it was terrifying, man. It's got like doctors wearing like face shields and shit. And like, oh my God, this is. Not knowing how serious it is at first. Yeah, yeah. That's it. But it's been, it's been cool, man, different. Like we've, we've been like really, I don't know.

I feel like when you do what we do, we don't have to ever have to grow up. And so now it's like we can be, we still have that lifestyle. You have to, there's this one little thing you have to be responsible for every day. So it's a little bit different, but we're figured it out, man. The cool part about not being able to tour is we get to be home for a second. And I would have missed some stuff that I'm glad that I had time at home for. Like I would have missed just like little things, man. You like wake up in the morning and you see him and he's like, oh my God, he's bigger.

Yeah. And I can't imagine like I would have had to do, I think, three. weekends now away from them. And I can't imagine like coming back after one of those weekends and being like, oh my God, he grew. So now, but now I see him every day. And eventually that's not going to be the case. And we're going to have to go back to life as we need it to be. But right now, it's cool to be home. Now, say you and your wife, you guys tour together. Will the baby like tour with you guys? Yeah. So Marin has a bus that is like fitted, outfitted, for a baby.

So it's like we have like our apartment in the back. And then there's like a bunk that has a crib in it and a baby monitor and a noise machine. And then like the we have somebody who like stays next to him and the bunk across from him. Because we have to have help out there just because there's so much stuff going on. And he goes to bed at seven o'clock and rock shows don't start till nine. So we have some help. out there and then yeah man

there's some other stuff that she got just that's baby specific but yeah we have a bus that sounds like a bus we need to look into boys an apartment in the back

a baby crib for Taylor make sure keep a monitor on him he can't do anything on his own you know what I mean that's awesome dude that's yeah

my bus is just 12 bunks and we go we ride town to town and have a good time but yeah no babies on that one yet no dogs or babies

it's probably benefit it's probably a benefit too to touring with your wife because people go on the road and they're gone for hell i don't know how long how long's like an average tour i mean we well in Nashville it's different because we can do weekends because we're in the middle of the country so yeah we usually do like a 10 day run out west 10 days 10 to 14 days like west coast yeah and then we'll do like marin will do like a 10 day europe run a lot like every year every

other year but that's basically it so then we can leave most of the time like wednesday night play Thursday Friday Saturday be home Sunday That's generally the rhythm that people in Nashville have Except for the with the exception of West Coast and Europe And then these people have been playing like festivals in Australia Two which is a long way to go So I haven't done that yet but um But maybe we will someday

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But seriously, go to Woop, 15% off, use code busing at checkout, W-H-O-O-O-P.com. You got a rockin, you got a rockin family. Yeah, man, it's been cool. You guys are kind of like a power family. I have a good, a good, Aaron's just a really great partner and really supportive of my music. And it's been cool to watch her become a superstar. And, you know, I love my career too. and they're very separate but very, I don't know, they just fit together really nicely.

Our life's, it's taken a couple of years, but I feel like we have a really cool rhythm with just being like creative partners and actually like having a marriage and a kid. It's been fun to find those balances. What are some of the times where you guys headbutt in the music world, whether it be touring, writing with or for each other, like any of that stuff? Give me a moment to where it's not all. smelling roses. We still write together, which is cool. I'm excited that she still asked me to write songs with her because she's got a really small group now that she trusts to be creative

with. I don't know. Like creatively, I kind of just am there when it's always time. It's always just about time and like when, like, just calendar stuff. And that's why we have the same manager is like those frictions are minimized when you have one person managing both of our time. Yeah. But like it's always like

just getting on the same page time-wise. Have either of you? I've never said that's a stupid lyric. I don't think we've said it like that to each other. I say that to it. I would say it to someone like Earn

and be like, nah man, that's not it. But I say it about myself more than anything. Usually I'm like, you'll say something. something like, ugh, that's not right. Yeah.

But, yeah, man, that we, that, she's just a fantastic songwriter. And that's like where it all starts with. Everybody is like getting good songs, whether you write them or you find them. Like that always is the most important thing. Because that's, I mean, that's why people buy a ticket is to hear that song that they love. Yeah. You know, me and Earn are sort of in the same boat where it's like we have a lot of shit moving. as writers right now. We're both trying to get

over that hump as ours. Yeah, where is earned, dude? He's out there drinking beer in the parking lot. Yeah, go get him. And he didn't bring me one. This could be a good conversation about the writing world. Because they wrote, they write together. We're in the same boat where it's like, we're both just looking at each other like, how fuck do you get on the radio? Yeah. What's one of your favorite memories on the road?

What do you think? Favorite memories? Well, see, like I, my rhythm is like I wake up and then you like work out because there's like no like you just wake up and then you play at night like nine o'clock at night so you work out eat lunch but like I can't party until the show's over for the most part so like I just remember this whole tour we just did like I'd come back to the bus and my band has worked all day and I'd want to party and they'd be like too tired they just go to bed and I'm like, what are we, what is this? So I, I just remember, like, nobody wants to party anymore. But I don't know, I've had a, I've, I've, I've been on the road with, like, FGL and

Thomas Wrette. Who's been the most fun to be on the road with? Hey, keep, keep name dropping too. Rattle that list off again, so we can find a winner. I've been on the road with TR, FGL, Chase Rice, just like, as like part of their packages. Hey, buddy. How are you? I'm sorry. What? Showing up, ready to go? Did you bring me a beer?

I drink two, and I locked my car. I can get you. Do you want a Karan? But this is a Budweiser bus. This is a Budweiser bus. We aren't sponsored by him, though, so you can... I could technically bring it through them. I could talk about whatever.

I was sponsored by Corona for a while. It was fun. One of the coolest moments was, like, pulling up into the driveway, and there was a palette of Corona. there it was like 25 cases of corona paradise in bottles and we drank like four or five in two days but maybe more but

cases yeah it was like that was one of my biggest flexes that was my that was my biggest flex was was 25 or 30 cases of corona just sitting there that's amazing you should have made a couch out of it I should have I think it's Ernest K is on the pod his cigarette is out and he is on the pop we're here

We were just talking to him. The question we had is favorite memories on the road. And I think his list was Chase Rice, Thomas Rett, FGL. I had the most fun on the Chase Tour because that's just the wildest one. TR was fun because it was all everybody doing for the first time, like TR headlining for the first time, Kelsey Ballerini's first time playing arenas. And me and Russell Dickerson were just the first time doing anything.

So we were stoked. I like doing, obviously, I like doing my own show the most because, you get to run the show fucking yours yeah it's yours yeah 100% dude chase seems like a good time we got to interview him the virtual stuff but yeah he seems like a fun time the first night ever on the chase tour we're playing have you played kegs in jordan new york suercuse you will it's just like it's the middle of nowhere if they call it like the syracuse market but i don't even think it's close to syracuse and it's the only thing in the town is this little dive venue and they have a like a

the stage is plywood and there's like Chase draws like 2,000 people I don't know plywood stage so tons of people there and I like show up and I'm about to play and all of a sudden like the tour manager John gets like I like see him get punched in the head like some dude like walked up a chase

bus and started like taking a leak on his bus and John like goes over to like get the security guard and get this dude kicked out and the dude just whips around and like just punches him in the head and so like who punched two in the head

the guy who peed on his bus punched the tour manager in the head yeah like the side of the head dude John Lassard is reaching over the security guards and has got this dude by the beard and it's just shaking him by the beard oh no

but uh it was that was my first night on the Chase Rice tour and I was like it was your first night that sets the bar yeah that sets the bar it was like my third show ever. Hey, Chase, it seems like people don't like you. No, that's not it. It was just some people get rowdy around you. Yeah. That was the rowdiest tour I've ever been on. And it was my first

one. It was like my third show ever. And I was like, oh my God, what am I doing? But, uh, that was fun. That was like one of those days where you're like, one of those tours where you're like, not sure how the, we had like a sprinter van. You're not like sure how that thing got from city to city. Right. Don't really remember. Did you have to drive? Not much. Yeah. I always drove like coming home because like I wasn't I was not about like taking our time to get home. Yeah. So I was like I will go. We are going home. Yes. So so you guys won't have like a bus driver every time. Like sometimes it'll just be well now I do but early on when you can't afford a bus. Buses are expensive. Yeah buses are ridiculous what like 10 grand for the weekend at least.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh old dominion that was a great tour to be on. Those are fun guys. Fun dudes. We had Matthew Ramsey on. Yeah, those are fun guys. I forgot. I did that at the end of last year. That was the last tour I was on. That was, that's a great, they have a great, uh, fan base for someone like me. Like, their, their fans and my fans are like, like, it's, I feel like there's a lot of,

a lot of carryover, crossover. Yeah, overlap. So that why, why is that? I don't know. I just think that just the type of music we, we both make it. It's not, it's not too redneck. I mean, I have a mullet, but I'm not the most redneck either. I was telling him like, I, you swing a lot of different ways.

Swing all ways, too. He was actually complimenting your, earlier saying there's not many there's not many people who swing a different hammer all the time. Wasn't quite right for that. I guess on your seat. Sorry, pops. Do I need to get up or? I'm Taylor. Nice to meet you as well.

Kind of glued to my tardiness. Kind of glued to my seat, so sorry. You're good. Do you want to share this? Yeah, we'll share that thing. Similar we were talking about yesterday with like sports and everything else. You have like 90% of the league is kind of the same. And then there's some unicorns. One sitting over there right now. You are, you are too.

Taylor, Taylor is. This is definitely probably more talented than I have. Hold on now. In the football lane compared to the country. In the music lane. There's songwriters who are, hell yeah, thank you. You meet with songwriters,

and they're all kind of the same amount of talented, and then you get in the room with guys like Michael and Earn, and you're like, oh my God, this guy's, I would never say this to your face. Well, don't. Say it to his face. This guy's hands down, more talented than everybody else. It's like the guys that can just like spit out a second verse in like

one second and you're like, oh, that's it. And we don't have to change anything. Like not a lot of people can just like actually, there's not even a lot of people I think that can write lyrics to be honest. I think that, like, I don't mean that in a bad way. In a world full of songwriters, that's pretty heavy. I think that's like, I think that's the most challenging thing for most people. And then like when when you meet people who comes like very effortless like you for Michael, it's like, damn, that's a special thing. Eric Pasley, do you guys know who? Eric Pazley is. He's great. He's another dude like that that you might not think of. That's like it's just effortless. So that was my compliment for you earlier.

Well, thank you. Damn. Glad I got to hear that. Yeah, I'll never give you another one. That's fine. No, that'll hold me over. You guys seem like you're in similar lanes where you started out and kind of writing and you're known and well respected for all the writing. And now you're both kind of touring and doing your music thing. We were talking about that earlier about how he kind of got into music. This episode of Bustin with the Boys is also brought to you by Feldman. Shout out Feldman's dude and the glizzies last week i've learned on twitter what a glizzy was not just twitter but the urban dictionary and a glizzy is a hot dog so i became a glitty a gliderator last week

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yeah but you ain't smoking widow whizzo every time dude any my mom could call that's the ringer To get off the earnest bit, I want to go back to the EP thing. He was explaining what EP was. And would you say... What does EP mean? It means extended play, but it's fucked up because it's... Extended playlist, but it's a shorter album. Yeah, it's not extended.

I thought I'm an executive producer. It also does. I hear see EP, I think, episode. Because you can get EPs on like TV shows or songs. Yes. You get that paper because... Yes, because you're the executive producer. That's what I say.

When we walked away from your podcast yesterday, I'm speaking very loudly because I'm like... That's okay. That's okay. I'm going to read this right now. When I was talking about EP, I want to EP on your next album. So I want to get in that thing. Do it.

Be known as a songwriter. Do it. Get Derek Henry on my project. If you want to be known as a songwriter, you've got to write the songs, I think. It's not a songwriter. Dude, you can executive produce and not know anything about music. People do it all the time. Just with cash.

But let's say the four of us are sitting in a room, and we wrote a song right now. And I said one word that made it in that song. You don't even have to say a word. You just get credit for it, right? Yes. Dude, if me and Ryan wrote a song right now and y'all who are here. And William Taylor and Will and Taylor. Y'all, it is Will and Taylor because y'all are in the room.

Actually, it's a one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. We don't have to give them credit, though. You do, because they're in the room. Yeah, dude. That's Nashville. I think we could argue that, that half of the room doesn't need credit for the song. We could argue that. But it would be literally split.

You get 25, 25, 25, 25, 25. Yes. If you do it in L.A., though, or New York, it's different because they would go, hey I'll give you 4% of mine 25 but you would get uh if you're in l.A they would like start arguing over like they're keeping tabs but get that my closer they would argue about like who who wrote what and like how much you each deserved yeah and so like you would like all those a lot of those songs go into dispute so nobody gets paid until the dispute is settled right because some guys like well I deserve more than 4% because I moved this mic cable or something and they hold it really they hold up everybody's

pay in Nashville you feel like it's different and Nashville. It's pretty much just cut and dry. The only thing you run into in Nashville is, like, if somebody, potential, like, if you are on top of somebody else's song, you might have to give them some credit. Like Brett Eldridge, when he did that crazy song, he had that, uh, Seelow Green, like, crazy.

He had literally, like, the hook to crazy in his song. And so he had to give credit, those writers had to give credit to all the people. who wrote crazy and I'm sure it wasn't like an equal split but like sometimes you have to do that but other than that like it's just we split it all down the middle here yeah or equally yeah so so is it better that better than L.A.? Oh yeah because I mean it's just but if you wrote 95% of song well and me Will and Ernest had a thumb up her asses the whole time and then we're like that's all I'm saying if Taylor and I were just sitting here and you guys walked out like well even it's gonna be a great song number one song because you've had four five number one songs yeah but I would

say two things to that I would say you because When we wrote Heartless, I was the dude I walked in and he started just, it fell out of him. And I just had my phone being like, no, you got to say that again exactly like that. And you need that guy to be like the editor, right, sometimes. And then I'd also say that if it's truly like I did 95% of it and it was a huge hit, I'm not, I'm just not going to do it again. You know, all your people would be like, we got to get this crew back together. And I'll be like, no, no. Yeah.

Excuse me, but the crew's technically all ready together. I'm here. That's what I would, that's, yeah. So that stuff all figures itself out. Yeah. Do you like being a songwriter? Do you like being a performer better? Is that one of those things?

They're different. I like being a songwriter. It's music all the time. Yeah, but I let him elaborate more. Two of us missed it. I would like for you. Ernest, too. Yeah, Ernest.

Ernest likes performing. I think you'll have a similar answer. But I like, when you're a writer, you're creative all the time. It's all music. And when you're an artist, it's like 90% not music. Bullshit. And it's 90% that's a word

for it. I'll say it. It's just like I'm, yeah. So I like doing both things because the less I write, I feel like the more I hit the bullseye. Yeah. Because I'm never burnt. But also, and I like playing shows. I like, obviously like the recording of

music. I like the music part of being an artist, but there's so much attached to it that's like but I also don't want to just write songs because I feel like you just write too many and you get burn out and they just they get shittier. So I like doing both things. And Ernest, like you, you're one of the few dudes like me who does both. Yeah, but I totally agree. I feel the same way about artistry. They're like, there's a part of me.

Maybe it's ego or whatever, but I've always wanted to perform songs or like sometimes I'll be writing a song and it's, I know as soon as we're writing it, this is for me. I want to sing this song. So, like, that or whatever is getting itched by being an artist. But as far as creator goes, like, I can't turn off writing songs. I'm going to be writing songs either way. Well, you kind of, I feel like you just create shit all the time, whether you're just creating a text from myself. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, the fact that songwriting is a job is unreal. Like, ha, ha, high school teachers. Like, you're ADD and not. listening in class, like, you better pay attention. You're going to need to go finish college if you want to get a real job. I have a sociology degree.

Which is basically... How do you... And how does that make you feel? You know what? I had not a lot to do with writing a song, so whatever. I just... Yeah. I think the difference, too, is like, a lot of people want to be an artist. They're like, oh, I wish I was a country music artist. But then there's dudes that are

just like, that kid just is one. Yes. And that's like... So, like, people who... You get better at writing songs get better at making recordings but sometimes you either are one or you aren't one and I think that that's what people like real fans kind of catch on to is like they know when yeah I want to be an NFL football player yeah I can go to the gym every day but guess what we can tackle each other every Thursday night I'm not taking a hit from either of y'all I'll take a hit have you ever had to tackle Derek Henry yeah yeah I'll miss a few no I

He was supposed to do a few times. Hey, he was right there a couple times. Did you trip or something will? I didn't see. I didn't see you go through with it. No, yeah, he's a monster. He's a monster. He's somebody you just drop low on in the hole. A lot of guys are very prideful and they want to see if they got it.

But as you see Derek Henry, the majority of time, I was going to say the majority of the time. Did Earl Thomas and Derek Henry a Father's Day card this year? Earl Thomas had a hard end. Well, actually, that was. 2020. Hey, is his, is his mic on yet? Oh, my God. Zach? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Taylor, you're grabbing that mic. I don't know if it's on right now.

Is it on or not? We can all, we can all hear you for sure. It is? Okay, good deal. I've been holding my tongue. Like, since I've walked in here. By the way, I'm very sorry me late. I don't mean that's what I'm having a great time. Yeah, I told them. We just had a baby. I get it. I said, yo. He's three months yesterday. Born in the quarantine, dude. He's pretty good. He's getting there. We're all. We're almost there. Dude. That first six months is like, I'm just keeping this thing a lot.

Oh, yeah. I wake up at 4 a.m. every day to feed him and then put them back to bed. Tough life. It gets there for sure. My first daughter, she was born July, July 5th, and like two weeks later, I had to go to camp. Those two weeks, I was like, I was like in it because my wife is, she's dead, right? Yeah. And then my daughter now, she's due July 16th.

And so it's like, I'm kind of, I kind of get out of jail, get out of jail, free because I have to go to camp. It's kind of a weird little deal. We were gonna, I was gonna be, I mean, we tour, so our schedules kind of go like this, but we wanted a tour together this year just so that like I didn't miss a whole chunk of time. But it's a lot of work, man. They're like, oh, it's a lot of work. And then you start doing it.

Oh, shit, this is. It is a lot of work. And then you always, like, think like your kid has a rough day. Like, my daughter, she's gonna be three. And she'll, like, be super, like, mean or, like, she'll do something that's, like, not good, right? And I'll be like, hey, don't do that. And then you get frustrated because your patience are low. And then they go to bed.

And then in your head, you're like, what if I just created a serial killer just now? By not doing the right things. Some people do. Some people do. Dahmer, all those guys. But like, you know, I don't want a kid to be a Dahmer. You know what I'm saying?

A Manson. Timmy Dahmer had no idea when he, you know, when he went ahead and said, I'm shooting it. He was shooting. It's Jeffrey Dahmer. No, but Timmy's his dad. I'm talking about when I'm saying I'm not talking about a bullet when I say shooting it

I'm talking about I'm going to make this kid and then that kid we name him Jeffrey damn dude could have not yeah sure but parenting parenting is the most stressful job in the world because you just feel like every day is like am I doing the right thing as a parent am I making sure that this kid when they're three months old you're like okay I'm keeping you alive

and then six months hits and you're going to come home and he's going to be like kind of smiling and you're like all right we're getting a little something out of it we're getting a little something that is That's the hardest part is when you're like, you don't feel like a dad until like the kid comes. Because they're like, you're not pregnant with it. It can't like, feel a kick a little bit, but that's it.

And then like it comes. And I didn't feel like this massive emotional flow is more like, all right, here's the kid and we're going to keep it alive. But slowly he's like starting to have like facial expressions and like starting to like you can see like recognizes me. That part's cool. Like that's like my, it's been like a steady increase in feeling like a dad. as opposed to just like this huge wave of it. But yeah, it's, it's, I don't know. I don't know if we're going to do it again.

We had one and we're like, you got to give it a friend. You got to give it a friend. He's pretty easy though. And that's the thing. It's like, man, we got an easy kid. Everybody tells us he's easy. How do we, how do we potentially get a shitty one? Yeah.

I tell him I hear the second one. I hear the second ones are the handfuls. A bit of a doozy. No, I've always thought like the second one, like my wife, she was the second one. And she was like the good kid, like Quinn. her brother, wild child, like ADD poster child, like me, like, bam, bam, bam, bam, off the walls. Yeah. And then I was the first and I was

the kid that was off the walls, but my brother would sit there and just watch me. But I feel like the second kid's always like easier for whatever reason because they're being entertained by the first one. Now having to, like, then you go from like, hey, both of us, you and me, we're going to get on this kid, we're going to make sure those kids and have going nowhere and I'm doing something wrong. When you got two, it's like, hey, I'll see you tonight before we go to bed. Yeah.

If you love you'll get some. And then we got to get in that, you know, hey, I'll be over here, you'd be over there. Parenting's cool as shit, though. It's different. I feel like before I had kids, I didn't know if I'd ever want to have kids. But now that I have kids, I'm like, man, it's the coolest thing ever. I didn't want one until I was with Marin. It was like, I could have a kid with you.

Yeah. And I never had that like, like, there's, you know, people who are like, man, I just want to be a dad. Like, they've dreamed about it their whole life. And I was like, when I met her and I was like, okay, that makes sense. Yeah. So I've had, that's been awesome. I wouldn't have done it unless it was with somebody that was like, oh, I want to have a kid with you. I think a lot of ways people get stuck in like, people make plans.

Like by the time I'm 25, I want to have this job. By the time I'm 27, I want to be married. By the time I'm 30, I want to have two kids. And they have like this timeline in their head. But then you end up like just saying, okay, well, I need to be married by 27. So I'm going to marry the person that I'm with right now. And that person might not be the person for you. Exactly.

You know what I'm saying? Because I was kind of that way too. like I was really, you know, I was kind of a rambling man. I was kind of going from place to place, kind of a little bit of a fuck boy, to be totally honest with you. I was riding a little dirty out there. And yes, thank you. This stand-up gentleman. Not you.

And I met Talen and all that stuff kind of like just went away. I was just like, man, this is, oh, yeah, a proposal in five weeks. Five weeks? Proposier in five weeks. We got married on 420. And, uh, you said, I knew, Ernest with a good. Thank you. Thank you.

Got married on 420 secretly. some little church at Vanderbilt. No one knew about it. And then we got married two years later. Very true. For everybody else. So it was a cool gig, man. Hell yeah, man.

I feel like some of that stuff can be like, I chalk it up as like small town syndrome. Because when I was growing up, we both kind of grew up in small towns. And you kind of think like, oh, I'm going to be buried probably with a kid by 25. Because everyone around you, the generation above you,

like they all did it. Even though they're all arguing now and they kind of all hate each other. Small town syndrome is a great song title. Yeah. You see, that's the creative that you guys have in syndrome. Getting married. Ta-da, dude.

All right, buddy. Put my name by that one. Hey, hey, we all know. We're all in here. Small town syndrome comes out, boys. We all made that. We made the cut on now. Everyone's in there.

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Canadian tuxedo I thought was a good idea today you've been on the bus before and there was no air last time

right so I don't know what made you think I did because I wanted to dress decent I didn't want to come up here looking homeless

and now I knew Ryan was gonna come correct with that yes dude I had a fan on the car

I told you I told you I don't you don't come onto the bus with your weak shit no

and Erin was trying to he just got a little warm it's okay that's it I had a flannel and I really

thought to it's in the car and I feel like he might be wearing plaid. So I threw the double denim's on. And I was right, dude.

When I got in here, I was right. Just a quick side note, I know people make fun of the Canadian tuxedo. Big fan of it. I think denim on denim looks great. I don't care. Who knows it? Did it?

Big fan of that. It's a hot one, but it looks good. And I run hot too. I run hot. Yeah. Do you sleep with a fan? You got a big fan when you sleep? No, my wife hates fans.

Unreal. Oh, that sucks, dude. Hates fans. I'm a huge fan guy. I'm a big, I'm a big go to the hotel on Away games. And the first thing I do, crank that thing down all the way down. It's like in the 50s.

I'm like, that's all right. I do 60s. At the middle of the night, like running back and forth. It's beginning to look like Christmas comes over your TV. It gets so cold in there. Dying, dude. You had Christmas at an extended stay, dude. That's awesome.

That was a grind. I was raising a puppy. And it's all over the place. Raising a puppy on tour and we were staying at extended stays all across. It's a different world than an extended stay. You brought your dog on tour? Yeah, a little baby puppy in a van. By yourself?

Me, Delaney, my tour manager, and my dog. And we went all over, and he was like, you know. Is that the Mike's thud? Three months old? No, that was on the Mason Ramsey tour. Oh, yes. Which was a little more toned down because he's 14. I did all my drugs and drinking elsewhere.

That was the Mountain Dew tour. The Mountain Dew Tour, yeah. No, it was the White Claw Tour for me. I was drinking so much white claw, and Mason finally came out to me. He goes, white claws are bad for your voice. You should drink water. And I'm like, listen here, kid. This ain't my first, second or third rodeo, all right?

I'm going to drink white claws. White claws are bad for your voice. Did you ground him on the spot? Yeah, put him in his place. Bunched him. How about that, though, dude? You can't become a famous football player by yodeling in a Walmart. That's just, it's crazy.

No, but how dope would that be if you could? You can become a. professional baseball player by just hauling off at a minor league game. Didn't, uh, no, some cat at a sounds game, he threw like 96. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And now he's... He got signed by the 80s. Yeah, sign. That's right. It's insane. Man, football's the worst sport to pick, huh?

I mean... Basketball, you out there, just go crush it? Crush it? Boom, you're in. I mean, you've made a lot of money with football, so why is it the worst sport again? It's the worst sport to get, like, take life. I think... Sounds pretty fucking awesome to me! It's the worst sport to get found. Okay.

They get found in a Walmart. What were we, Gary, bring that stuff back up. What were we talking about? Who knows? You were going in on saying, use me.

Oh, yeah, as long as a check clears, man. Yes. Use it up. Take my music. Like,

cut it however you want, put it on the radio. So there's something, there's a formula already in place for people that want to do something like that. Yeah, we're paid as something like, it's publishing.

It's royalties. You're paid to do it, yeah. But I think, like, in your case, like, you are,

in that crew of like Morgan and Michael and and like there is a thing there that you have created with the other two dudes. It's like it's a, it's a style and it's very much something that you're a part of. And so I think it's like with you, it's just waiting your turn to when like that third dude can come in and and do it like kind of behind those two guys' boats. I mean, the thing about Morgan and Michael is they got their first and that's the only thing that it is. Yeah.

Yeah. But you get to write all the songs and have all the singles, and obviously that's a good living. But yeah, man, it's just, we're in the same boat where it's like, man, we just need like that one. Like, I had a, my song got to top 20 at radio and then it, it's a platinum record, but it's like, you need, like, to stack those up a couple times before you can, like, have that ball rolling. And that's, like, the same boat that we're both in. There's got to be some sort of politics that plays into it, though. If you have that many guys getting together doing riding rounds. That's the 90%, man.

Yeah. 90% of this shit you don't want to do. Yeah, yeah. You got to sit there and all right, well, Ernest's going to take the song. It's going to be number one. I'm sure there's a different release. Yeah, there's,

I mean, it's a lot of behind the scene stuff that, like, sometimes artists don't even have much say and what comes out next or when and how they're running and stuff. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, we're definitely involved in, like,

picking songs and stuff and all that, but sometimes, you know, labels get to look at analytics and actual numbers. So it's like less of a guessing game. Like, oh, I like this song, let's do this. well, this one's streaming well, so let's, numbers are already saying this will probably do well,

so let's run that one to radio. There's like all that beats later. So is there any like, Hey, Aaron, let's take your feelings out of it and look at the data. Yeah, and that's hard to do as a creator because feeling is like everything. We write songs around feeling. And when it comes to what we actually get to portray ourselves as, like sometimes we have to take that feeling away.

Yeah, gotcha. I had this song come out called What Her Name Was Summer, and it was my favorite song. And I was like, this is the one. This is it. and I was the only one that thought that was. I am right. And then it went to,

it got to serious and it got like, it did all right, but it was very obvious. It was not the one. I was like, God, damn. He comes in the meeting and he's like,

hey, Ryan, did you learn your lesson? That's kind of what happened. Sit down. Yeah, they can see you're talking about that dumbass song you want to put on there.

And you can tell like when you play live, like what songs are huge. And that's one that I'm like, oh, this is going to be huge. And then it's like, very medium. It didn't do very well live.

You hear the few claps. It's just not like the one that people are like, fuck yeah. It's not the reaction you dreamed of. Right. Yeah. Like that scene in Queen

where the guy starts to sing and then the whole crowd starts behind him, he just stops. Let's it happen. And that's the whole thing that's like the thing you dream about as like an athlete

because athletes want to be singers, songwriters, actor, they want to be what they're not. Everybody wants to be what they're not. Yeah. And so like you sit there

and you're watching Queen or the El and John movie or any shit like that. I mean, I'm not trying to be a homosexual guy from London. Super talented. Super talented. But happy being what I am,

but I'm saying as a singer-songwriter, having somebody like call recall to you would be like the dopes shit ever. Or like telling that lawyer dude, like, no, I think this single should be. Yeah, tell Mike Myers to fuck off. Yeah, yeah. Dude, having that amount of clout, that's that. And then you walk out and then throw a fucking rock at the window. You know what happened?

Yeah, it's a great movie. I'm a favorite movie. I actually love that movie. Yeah. I like that they didn't, they just used the actual vote. They used the actual Freddie Mercury vocal, right? Yes. I like that they did that.

Yes. You can't fake that. You can't. The one movie that I thought was really good, the music movie, was Walk the Line. Wachim Phoenix. Walk Hard. Joe Kim Phoenix. I don't know.

But, yeah, walk hard. Wait, you don't want no part of this shit. I don't want to get addicted to it. It's not addictive. I think I'd like to try me some of that cocaine. Sounds kind of expensive. It's the least expensive drug there is. And not once did you pay for drugs.

Not once. Walk Hard was best, but Joachim did a pretty good Johnny Cash. I was okay with Joaquin's voice in that. He had my favorite ever acceptance at the Oscars. He used his time to decree milk. Oh, yes. Decry. Yeah, it was like a vegan.

He was a vegan chant. A vegan war chant. He got up. He won like the biggest award. he could ever win. He's like, milk is bad. And that was basically all he said. Yeah. He's a super private dude, right? He's a strange. Yeah, odd. He's a strange cat. But I feel like

those guys are the most interesting to me. Anybody who does the Joker is fucking... When I see somebody that's super off the wall, I'm like, I got to get to know that guy. Like, what makes that dude tick? I always want to be robbed people that way different than me. Ben Burgess. Ben Burgess is that guy.

Yeah, it's like the dude, you're like, that dude's a genius. He's genius, but it's tough to, like, rope him in. And when you do, it's great, but You've got to, like, really sit there until you've got to wait for it. It's kind of like HCL. Yeah. A little bit like that. Hammercock LaFloor, dude.

Hammercock of the floor was definitely one of those cats that were like, you talk to him and be like, oh, this guy is just, yeah. He's at a different wavelength than I am. Yeah. Expand. He's a hammercock for me. So we did a, I think the podcast session just came out, right? Yeah. Yeah.

So we did a podcast with David Bactiari. Okay. I know who that is. The head coach for the Packers is Matt LaFloffler. Four. Okay. Two years ago, it was the OC for the Titans. Hammercock.

Hammercock. Yeah. Hammercock. Well, he looks, he's got that appeal, that vibe of when you look up reality porn and you see like the unsuspecting guy that's like, well, you know, I didn't study this week. And then the big bosomed melf comes in with the ruler and you didn't study. He didn't study. He's good.

He's good. He's good. He's got an absolute piece on him. You feel like when you're talking to him and tell him a story, he's like kind of smiling like that. But he's thinking about something else that has to do with ball. He's thinking about how things. He's so smart.

He can run. I can see that guy delivering a pizza. Hold him down by his waist. Ants the sausage on this one, dude. See that guy. LaFlor's got a great porn look, man. He's got a football doesn't work out for him,

which it looks like it is. They went to the NFC championship, right? Yeah. He made to the NFC championship. He's got Aaron Rogers. He should do both. He has Jordan Love now, too. An active NFL coach also doing porn?

I don't know. I don't play football, but it made me laugh. Exactly. I was like, Aaron Rogers, I'd be hot about that. He was apparently. Oh, man. Dude, I'm a huge Michigan fan. Are you?

You're from Kalamazoo, right? You're from Kalamazoo, right? I don't know if you're a Bronco guy or whatever. Yeah, but I mean, you're not only a Bronco guy, but I'm a big Michigan fan. You got, you guys, you want the last team to beat Ohio State. Yeah, thank you very much. Thank you for doing that. Don't be afraid to clap, boys.

Yeah, yeah. One and three, you guys to Ohio State. Brable? Fuck Ohio State, dude. That's a big deal. That's a big fucking deal. So this boy's my hero. And Taylor's your hero?

Well, he beat Ohio State. Okay. Not all heroes were capes will. And then Sugar Bowl win, right? Yeah, won the Sugar Bowl. We went, I think that was the only actually good year we had. Because from 09 to 13, that's when I was at Michigan, it was really a very dark time. Weird.

Very weird. Rich Rodriguez came from West Virginia. You really brought him down. He did not have a good night's sleep, I think, the whole time he was there. No, it was tough. Yeah, it was tough for him. And then Brady Hoke came in, who everybody wanted Harbaugh, but settled for Hoke. And it just didn't work out with Hoke either.

But that Sugar Bowl win was really cool against Virginia Tech. Yeah. It's like triple overtime, Brennan Givens with the kick. Yes. You ever see his interview? I don't remember it, but I watched. I mean, I was watched the game. He did an interview after the game, and they, like, iced him twice.

And he made, he made the kicks. And they're like, what were you thinking about? And he was like, I was just thinking about brunette girls in the beach. Oh, my God. He was like, yeah, coach tells me whenever I'm getting ice just to think about girls in the beach, I'll never miss a kick. That was great. And he kicked that thing right through the upright. That's awesome.

I love Brennan. I feel like everything kind of changed from Michigan when you guys lost to Appalachian State. But that was before I was there. That was 2008. I know. I feel like it just was a bad juke long last year. That was in the air. That was right.

So like it all went weird that year. Remember when Michigan, Ohio State was one, two is Chad Haney, Mike Hart? Yeah. Yeah. And they lost by, was it two? It was like 2007, right? To Troy Smith and Maurice Claret. Yeah.

And then we won, or Michigan. We, I was on team. No, fuck yeah, you were. I, uh, then like, they beat them with the Nard. And then that was it. And they've just gotten their ass beat ever since, and it's been really disappointing. Well, there was one game after I left that was pretty close. It was that fourth and inches.

Yeah. And they didn't get it, but they gave it to them. That was bullshit. Absolutely bullshit. You know, and Wilton, everybody's like, oh, it didn't matter because they got the ball back. But Wilton Spate dropped the ball on the goal line and whatever. Our helmets are cool. Yeah.

And we're sponsored by Jordan. We should definitely go there. I've actually talking to Portnoy about this when we were in Miami is Michigan is just, it hurts to say it because I went there. You're a fan, but very irrelevant at this time. Yeah. I don't know what you need to do because you have the Jordan sponsorship. You have the history and tradition at Michigan's unbelievable. The uniforms are iconic.

I don't know what they have to do to kind of catch up with Ohio State. They need to drop the academic requirements a little bit. Well, your boy got in there, and I'll tell you what, it wasn't good. I got eyes, 2-7. Sure. With the sliding scale, my ACT was stupid good. But I got in. And so they're not quite like Vanderbilt,

where Vanderbilt you literally have to be able to get in school to play there. That's a death penalty in its own. Were you good test taker? What's that? Good test taker in school? I was kind of what you were alluding to about the ADD, pay attention to school guy. Yeah.

I got to Michigan, and I joked with you about the sociology because I was general studies major. But I got there and they're like, well, so what do you want to do after college? I was going to go to the NFL. Yeah. Like, well, you know, I was 250. Yeah.

And like, well, statistically, and I told the story too many times on the podcast, but I, like, I definitely was like, that was my fucking move. And so I didn't, I was a king of a 2.0 at Michigan, the absolute king of it. He said the king of the 2.8. I graduated with a 1.9 high school. I never got out of college. You played one year in baseball in college, no, didn't you? Yeah, but I never got out. I just quit after one.

Yeah. But I got there. I mean, thank God for Christian schools, because they're accepted. excepting the dumbass kid, but the 1.9 GPA, saying, you know what, you got an arm on you? Let's sign them up. The Lord needs you here. Yeah. The Lord needs you here.

Yeah. The Lord was like, kind of change our mind. Kind of talked with the other two, and we change our mind. You catch a lot of Michigan game still? Yeah. We went to Notre Dame this year. Actually, it's fun now because we can take my bus up there and we go and just wake up back home. Super easy drive, too.

Not far at all from here. No, not at all. Are you talking about the apartment bus? Well, my bus has the 12 bunks. Gotcha. You just throw everybody in there. You should hear about this apartment bus they got. I'll listen to the podcast.

My wife has a really sweet bus that has a baby crate in it. Really? And our apartment's in the back, but yeah. He was asking, how do you take a baby on the road? It's like, well, we have a bus that's like set up. It's like monitors and white noise machines. Yeah, well. Yeah.

Builds on the bus. Yeah, you just drive the bus and then the baby's back there. Did you hear him? Our apartment's in the back of the bus. I'm like, oh, we need to look into a bus like that. got a great bus. This is fine. This is a great bus. This is a cooler bus than that. I would tour in this bus. This bus is about as

cool as it gets. It's about $77,000 to get this thing running. The floor under us? You got to put it on a different chassis. Yeah, put it on a different chassis. The floor is so there's no driver seat. There's literally no driver seat. You could just risk it. Just put a... Dude, nail

a lawn chair down to the floorboard. Okay, engine doesn't work. Driver seat. Engine doesn't work? Yeah. Steal an engine. Yeah. And then like parts were obsolete for this model. 74 Bluebirds for some reason are not like big in fashion.

You can crowdsource it. Kickstarter. Could do a Kickstarter. We could. I'll tell you what, when that that song comes out that you and Will started will take the money from that. You get a lot of backlash.

Like, oh, can't Taylor just pay this or that? Like, you run a risk right there trying to do a Kickstarter. It's true. For Taylor? You're like crowdfunding. Fuck it. I'll do it. I'm like a go-fund me for me and a kickstarting for the bus I feel like that sentence has come out of your mouth Hey two and a half

two afl guys are asking for money that's a good point yeah we run into that too not to the same level but but yeah no one's like hey I don't crowd crowd fund my record at this point like you're on RCA records you can't yeah you can't that's a bad look for RCA well it's a worst look for RCA yeah you want me RCA is

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The dude is a motherfucking stud. Who's RCA? That's my record company. So he's on Big Loud Records. Big Loud. Big Loud. I was there yesterday with Olerness. Yes, sir.

I'm on RCA records, which is like Elvis and. Classic. Biont. So you guys are competitors? No. Well, it sounds like after he pulled out Elvis and Beyonce, it's not even fucking Yeah. You know.

We had Elvis and Beyonce. Like Elvis, Beyonce. He's set the standard. We got Elvis. But no, RCA is like one of the OG record labels. No, record company is like, hey, where do you bank? That's like all it is. Yeah.

I'll bank it's SunTrust. I bank at Pinnacle. Well, it's like those are, we're not competing. So Nashville, I would say it. Yeah, I know, right. Is that, now, is that who you signed with recently in March? What? Me?

RCA. Didn't you sign with somebody in March? Oh, no. My publisher now is Big Machine. So that's like Scott Borchetta and. and whatever. So I probably shouldn't. Hey, bring that, bring up the other thing, Garrett. You signed in March with who?

Big Machine Music. So the publishing side of that record company. Now, that's a big deal, right? Is that a big deal? Yeah, it's big for me. Yeah, Big Machines. I was at Universal Publishing for a long time. You had a picture. I saw you had a signing picture like a high school or come into a college. Yeah, we do that. That's a big deal. Hey, let's go. Signing in March. I mean, we, I don't know, how would you describe this?

I'm trying to like, it's a big deal. A publishing deal? It's like, or getting a body? Well, I mean, look, I mean, for a lot of people getting a publishing deal, I mean, for me, I mean, I was working at donut den in Green Hills. You worked at donut den? Hell yeah. I got a lifetime-free donuts. Can't tell, but I do.

Dude, yeah, I mean, for most people, that's the dream. You come to Nashville. You want to write songs. You get somebody to give you a publishing deal. Guess what? That's your job now. You don't have a regular job anymore. That's the dream.

Yeah, that's it. Getting a publishing deal. For me, that was it. That was like, I signed my first deal when I was 25 years old. And I, that was like, that means you are a professional, paid professional songwriter. Yes. And if you put that into context, somebody told me this once. And I looked it up, it kind of holds true.

In America, there's 35,000 paid professional baseball players. majors, minors, semi-pro, whatever. There's 3,500 paid professional songwriters in America. People who make a living as not artists, but guys like me and Ernest and girls who write songs for other people, like that's their job as just the writing of the music. There's 3,500 people in America that do that job. And maybe somebody can update me because I was like five years ago,

somebody told me that. You need to start leveraging the NFL numbers because we're smaller than the baseball numbers. we're like 20 i think we're like 22 000 or 2200 200 200 200 NFL players and and like right now there's a lot more because you have a bigger roster you have 90 man roster you have 93 man roster times 32 hurry up boys so it's way easier to be a songwriter than a baseball player but way harder to be a football player than a songwriter closer around there yeah but also like you i mean minor minor league baseball players even triple a don't make shit you don't

make sure yeah they don't make but like most songwriters first either yeah B baseball players? Dude, I would like to probably compare a double A baseball player's salary to a first publishing deal salary. You got to make shit happen. 8,000 NFL players. What's that? That's somebody telling us, 2,800 songwriters.

Damn. Wow. Even less, dude. I know. Well, it's... Tables keep turning. It's not... Tables just be fucking turning.

The last 10 years have been a little rough on the old, uh, on the songwriters just because of the way that music's consumed is trying to get that. balance back out. But, yeah. Most songwriters are not millionaires. That's like the, that's just the truth of it. Most of them make a big common misconception kind of. Well, I mean, like some of them are, but most of them, like, my first deal was for like $28,000 a year. That was that 25? That was like pretty good. Yeah. How long was that contract? Probably three years. Yeah.

How many? Four years. How old are you now? 33. So when you re-up to this one, is it you basically moved up in publishing companies? Same amount of quality. I mean, both of those companies are amazing. Universal music is obviously like the biggest music company in the world. Yeah, yeah. It's more like the percentages come back in my favor, the more that I do it. Gotcha.

So like the salary part of it's a draw. So it's like an advance. But the royalties are what you're partnering, you're splitting. Right. They'll give you a monthly payment. The potential is better. You pay it back. Yeah.

It goes back. It comes back out of your pocket. Yeah, I'm just trying to learn, dude. So it sounds like a big deal. Music, the money, like the way money flows in music is wild. Just wild. Yeah. It's complicated.

And then once you get it, you're like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Business manager was the best thing that ever happened to me because I have a good one of us. I can't think about it. No, I don't have to. I just have to, like, sign some papers every now and then. And I know all of my shit's getting taken care of taxes are getting paid. No, dude.

All my bills, like, I don't worry about it. He sneaks a power of attorney in there. She is better. Yeah. Hey, sign this. And you're an idiot. Yeah. He got his ass, dude.

Yeah, keep writing them songs, Ernest he kill them. Yeah, keep going. Keep seeing me. Those people get, they get a dirty business manager. Those people get kicked out pretty quick. So, yeah, they get found out. Yeah, no question. He had your credit card yesterday.

I still have your credit card. I said, hey, that card of my wife is gone. It's a bustle with the boys credit card. I had 50% of this fucking money. That's fine. So you could have bought beers. I could have. I thought, I think it's the first.

I don't know what Will has been spending this credit card on, but I bought six bottles of water and that with it. Yeah. What do you've been spending on it? Is it? I don't use it like a debit card. What do you use it for? Cars?

Trucks? Like Alexes? I'll plug that card info for Venmo and paying people like using the card instead of giving like the whole bank account information thing. I got to look at that book. Yeah. I think we're what we should settle on 2,500 apiece. $2,500 piece.

I think what the bus is even more to commission than it was before. We're going to put it back into the bus. I was impressed. When I walked down here, it's like, this is cooler in person. It's a sweet bus. Most things aren't cooler in person than they are.

Most of this stuff, I think 99% of these stickers were on here when we first got this bus. I'd rather be spanking the monkey. Love it. There's one, my favorite. I thought you were just thinking out loud. Okay, Ernest.

I was like, all right, Ernest. Anything about Matt LaFleyn that's like a sages point? We can cut that out. My favorite sticker on this entire bus is behind you when you open the door on like that panel behind you, there's a big lizard and says no lot lizards. Why? My favorite one. You ever heard a lot lizard?

No. So truckers, uh, truckers who drive like semi-trucks when you go to like a loves gas station, you're traveling across country. Shout out loves. Those hookers. Oh, those are lot lizards? They're a lot lizards. Oh.

And then these, they're grimyy. hookers. You pay it like 20 bucks. Love that for anything. Put your peep over a sock or something like that and go to town. I don't know. I'm a big fan of that one. A little educational piece for you there. The lot of lizards do ZJs.

Yeah. Trust me, but if you had to ask, can't afford it. Man, in that movie, Aaron? Waterboy, duh. No. This is one I'd be like, you should know. You should absolutely know.

This is like an underrated movie. You think I'd just sit there and soberly watch movies and take it all in or beer fest oh god that's a i haven't seen that in years that's a that's a phenomenal all right movie tonight i'm gonna go home to watch yeah they kill off a character and then bring his twin brother back on the exact same character and it's asked to be known as landfill yeah oh my quality fucking movie i need to go back and watch tonight we're gonna me and you gonna get together watch the blind side and beer fest yes yes last story um talk to us how you met how you met marian and we want detail obviously we can reach

stories, we can read articles, we can see you guys fucking met. We're asking you to make us some money on views here. So do you do your favor. Yeah. I met, we went writing songs. And so like she moved to town to be a songwriter, not an artist. And we started writing like every week or two and had like a creative relationship first. And eventually became something different.

But like we wrote songs like Tim McGraw and brothers Osborne. And she was a writer. And then all of a sudden she started like writing songs that. people couldn't sing. Like she'd try to pitch them and then, but nobody could do it. And that's when she, like, started, like, making her own recordings again. And she's been doing this since she was 11 years old, like playing in bars. And, like, that's what people say.

They're like, oh, this, like, she became, like, was a fast. It was, like, fast for her. And it's like, eh, kind of. Like, if you take the whole, take it as a whole, it was, she's been doing it since she was 11 years old. But she's not, I mean, odd, like, nobody, she's the best songwriter. I've ever met. I still believe that. Like, there's no...

Sorry, Aaron. It's okay. I'll let that one go. I think most people would be like, yeah, that's true. She is great. Best singer in Nashville. It's just kind of crazy. Like, there's... And she's also, like, we talk about 90% of the shit

is not music. That 90% she is great at. So, like, she's just sort of like the... If you would build an artist for, like, country music in Nashville, it's her. So, but we, man, it's cool. We've had a really cool relationship.

It is funny. Like, I, you forget how famous. I forget how famous she is. And so, like, because I am like a writer and I have a career as an artist, but it's not the same, like, even in the same stratosphere as hers. So it is funny. Like, I'll sometimes forget like, oh, shit, she's a superstar. And I am, I have to like kind of keep that in mind. It is, like, harder to, like, go out with her now.

like even we have like a couple places we can go to dinner but like for the most part like she's got to kind of keep a low profile now and and uh but yeah we we got uh engaged in michigan at our lake house shout on michigan and uh yeah man it's cool what was your what was your uh first flirting pickup line to her when did the table start to turn when you guys were writing music oh what slipped little comment did you have a solid question well i don't know i could i could we'd definitely into each other like pretty early on but uh I remember we ended up, we started dating, I think, officially like New Year's Eve of like five years ago or something like that. So that was, that was pretty cool.

It was like, we're just going to be dating now. And so that was kind of fun to like make out in front of everybody. Make it Facebook official. It's like, oh. And then like all your friends are there. Like, I guess they're actually together now. So like, oh, yeah. So Ryan fucking pulled it off.

Yeah. I mean, at one point, you know. I had more going on than she did when we first started writing because she had just moved in Nashville. And then very quickly the script was flipped. Which is totally okay, man. I feel like if you, I just, I've always, I don't feel threatened ever. I think people have asked me that. It's like, does this ever, like, do you feel threatened by the success of your wife?

It's like, fuck, no, man. It's like, this is, I have like the ultimate freedom. Hell, yeah. Loving it. I don't have, like, everything I do is just like, icing. Like everything, like, because being with somebody like that, I think that like dudes a lot of times get attracted to strong women and then they can't handle it because they feel like for some reason it diminishes them. And I feel the exact opposite. I feel like being with a strong woman

frees me up to be, literally do whatever I want. I don't have to worry about like, I mean, obviously you have to worry about her, but like I don't have to prop her up in any way. It's just she can handle her own shit. And I feel like that is a really cool. way to have a relationship. You get to go golfing. And I like watching her like pop off on the internet at people. Like that's really fun for me. And then people either tell me like to back her up or like tell her to stop.

And it's like, man, I don't need to say anything. Like I'll come in there every once in a while when I feel like I need to say something. But for the most part, she can handle herself. And that's cool. Yeah. And then I don't know. I've been proud over the last like month because she's one of the, I think the few country artists that's like, been really vocal about like the stuff going on in our country and um just even if you don't agree

with it like hey she's putting herself out there in a big way and and and that's that takes nuts it really does especially in our genre where you know that everybody's going to people have been crucified famously crucified for yeah having an opinion oh yeah especially if you don't that's all it is like correct yeah this is like keep politics out of it's like no you just don't agree with her politics like right if she said exactly what you wanted to hear yeah yeah yeah just like the massive double standard for people who I think are, I mean, you deal with it. People tell, I mean, if you, if you have any opinion, it's like, hey, just go like, just keep singing. That's all we want you to do. And it's like, I've built this platform. It's mine. I can do whatever

the fuck I want with it. Right. Or it's like, what, okay, so what is your exact job? Oh, you're a, your fucking, only plumbers can have an opinion, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Ern's actually, like, really outspoken too on social media and that's cool for me to watch. You don't say. I just think that man rocks a bullet on a Wednesday like he's fucking outspoken. It's hard to have that when you when your platform is smaller and I

feel the same way and sometimes I say stuff and sometimes I don't but and this this conversation got a little took a left turn from yeah for sure shout on Aaron number one. Left turn no pun intended. I want I want details on how you and Marin got together

but like honestly it's just like it was a creative partnership that became something more and now we really do have a cool thing. That's awesome, dude. Well, I appreciate you coming on bus with the boys. Apologies for the boy being late. Apologies for crashing. Yeah, everybody crashing. I think it made for a good time. Come here sweating like Bruce Pearl.

I love seeing you. I love seeing you. Every day. I love yesterday. We got to play golf show. We're neighbors. Me and Will played yesterday. I invited you. I know, I had another golf, you know. He golfed 18. He golfed 18. I didn't have time to play 18 yesterday.

day. You guys golf? You're always welcome to come play golf. You guys golf. That's fucking crazy. Hey, Taylor, I literally did Ernest's podcast yesterday.

He was like, I got to play 18 holes. I was like, cool, man. I'll see ya. Call the Will. Hey, I did Ernest's podcast. He's like, yeah, man, that's great. I got to go.

I'm going to play golf. And I'm ahead of my, are they fucking playing together, dude? No, no. They play without me? I don't, I don't golf. So, would you? Would you?

Would you? I'd go out there. Hey, Al, if you seem like a good enough guy. Drink beers on a golf cart? everybody sucks a golf that's the thing I'm not worried about sucking at things

I'm I'm the feeling this can go down a really weird road but I'm very much I know I can't wait I can't wait I've heard them a couple times

people who think they've made it play golf gotcha I'm 29 years old 29 this month actually I'm actually still 28 and still haven't made it it's hard

yes they haven't made it it's hard for me it's hard for me to go pick up you go see what he's building down the road but I never had that bug because he kept my dad never made me go or nothing. How long have you been golfing for? Well, I grew up playing and then I quit because I was like, I'm bored and I don't want to do this anymore.

You had made it yet. Had made it yet. And now, honestly, like, when everything shut down, that was the only thing you could do. And I was like, I guess I'm going to go play golf with my brother. I might not make it because of golf. Yeah. Like, dude, I literally, quarantine. I never played golf in my life. I was always a baseball player, though, and I sliced the shit out of a ball from the left side with my golf swing. So I was always discouraged. Quarantine happened. My parents started playing golf out of nowhere. So I was going to meet them at McCabe and, like, walk nine holes with them two or three times a week. And I just swapped over and started hitting right-handed and realized I had way more fun. And I just haven't stopped since the beginning of quarantine. I just played golf all the time. I love the camaraderie.

You know what I mean? Like you invited me. Yeah. And you were like, it's my brother and my tour manager. I'm like, okay, I'm going with three people. I've never actually been met in real life. But it was a solid time. Were you nervous that first tea, though?

Yeah. What gets me is everyone wants to be so. silent when somebody's swinging. And me, I kind of don't mind like, hey, boys, play some music. Hey, that's how to get more? Come on. Yeah. I don't.

I'm going to watch me. All right. Hey, but no doubt. You definitely feel that way. It's more like I hope I don't just roll this thing in front of me. But I was getting them in the air and they were just going everywhere else. But I don't mind. I didn't mind that.

At least I'm swinging. I'm hitting. I'll tell you what, I love, when I go into like top golf, getting a pitching wedge out, hitting it completely wrong. I hit that thing 190. Yeah. I'll fucking. I'm going to top golf.

You were about to compliment? This dude hit. You were about the number eight. Let's get back to that. He hit one. He got a hold of one. It went like eight feet off the ground for like 280 yards. And he was like, oh my God.

And we just say, yeah. A fallacious seed. It's just like, this guy's, this boy's been lifting weights. A, uh, Chase, he was a fan of the old, uh, I've been taking your, the cigar holder around. You like that piece of. Oh, yeah, I've been utilizing a big time. Who was it?

Chase, who? This is my tour manager. Hey, Taylor. Hey, Taylor. I met Chase. Chase, that's his tour manager. and he's also like he was claiming that Jack and Garrett are two of his boys

that he grew up with. Have you ever seen them play spikeball? I haven't actually. Oh. Well, they're actually one, two, three, fourth and fifth place on the bus right now. Talking shit about that spike ball.

You see a barstool tag this in that barstall thing? I did see that. I was like little do they know that we've been taking this very seriously. We've been taking spike ball. It's serious as fuck. You probably got a roll though. I got a roll. Yeah, you got a roll.

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