Bussin' With The Boys - Sam Darnold

Episode Date: April 6, 2022

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I think it's an unbelievable thing. It's a little different than me, but there's a thousand ways of skin a cat. I never understood that reference, but I guess that's what we're doing today, right? We're skinning cats. Sam's an outstanding guy group in San Clemente, California, and did a couple things with him. We did the tier talk with him. We did the lock room talk with him. The locker room talk.

You think it's going to go one way. And then it actually hits you on a different way. So buckle up for that whole thing. But as always, starting last week, we have our shout out. No free shout out of the week. Let's go, boys. And let me tell you, boys, every week we get more and more excited for this one. The boys in the back start rumbling when we're outside.

They start chattering. They start loving on each other. What are you saying? I'm not going to tell you until we start because we got a big deal going. We got a lot of news today. But first, we're going to hit this shoutout. No free shoutout of the week. We started with Bloss last time.

It was so good. We're going to do it again. Bloss, what do you got for us, baby? So my shout-out this week. I'm going to have to go with probably an easy one, and I hope nobody else has it. But Pat McAfee and Logan Paul. That is outstanding. Outstanding.

Because right before we got on the bus, I said, does anybody have Pat McAfee? But it's okay. I think I was in the restroom. Were you in the restroom? Were you in the restroom? Yeah, I was in there for about 20, 30 minutes. We had a whole conversation about it. But hey, regardless of how my feelings are right now,

that's an outstanding shout-out, Norfisha, of the week. Would you care to elaborate on which one? You want both of them? No, no, no, no. You take them both. But I think it's an outstanding shout at what you got for us, Blas? I swear, I had no idea that's... I'm not mad at you at all.

I'm kind of pissed at myself. Hey, listen, this is a little bit of adversity for our bus, but I'm glad you took it first. I should have gone to somebody else. Probably should have hit myself first. Now, looking back on it, hindsight's 20-20, but I'm proud of you for jumping on and getting this thing done. Why do they get your shout out?

Novi shout out of the week. Yeah, they get the shout out because of the athleticism they showed in wrestling and stuff like that. Because people think about wrestling, you know, the whole fake thing and all that other stuff. But there's an art to wrestling, whether it's selling punches, whether it's, you know, being in, like, communication with them. Like, just being on the same page. That's tough. I think it goes, I think it's a lot more difficult than people give them. credit for.

But to be a social media personality and then like making that jump to, to wrestling and learning that quick and picking up on it, I thought it was awesome. And they performed super well on the biggest stage. What, the WrestleMania is a Super Bowl of wrestling? Is that correct? Yeah. I'm guessing. I'm not, I've said before a lot of times.

I'm not a huge wrestling guy, but I do respect the craft. And I'm a big fan of both of those individuals huge in the social media market, it huge, whether it's YouTube or Twitter or Instagram, those guys are absolutely killing it every single day. I think going on the Pat McAfee show, seeing how they do things, how they interact with each other, what they got going on, it's definitely something you look at as a guy

doing a podcast also and go, wow, it's pretty special. And also with the Paul brothers, both of them, right? They're like, they're changing the world, they're changing sports, changing boxing. To go on this, on an outstanding stage for Pat to be able to do the whole beer thing with Stone Cold Steve Austin, then get that stunner put on them real quick.

I mean, you got to love it. That was an outstanding shoutout, no free shout out of the week. I loved it, boss. I think it was outstanding. JP, what do you got for us, baby? I got something that I should have shouted out a long time ago. Oh. Because right now it's kind of past dude for me.

But I was driving around the other day and I was passing a school and the whole school was outside. All the kids were wild and for sure a fire drill. So I'd like to give a shout out, no free shoutouts to fire drills during tests. God, that's outstanding, dude. It doesn't happen a lot. The test with the fires roll doesn't happen very often. Because you know those teachers, the faculty, everybody talks to each other. Hey, it's going to happen this time at 1.15 p.m.

Make sure you have nothing big going on. But when somebody messes up, whether it's the teacher of the faculty, and you get that thing, get a little break, get that nog and a little rest before you get another setting. To your classmates a little bit. Classmates, hey, what you're going on with number three? What is that? What is pie?

I don't know. I thought it was edible and now it's numbers. For some reason. Yeah, it's a crazy deal. That is a great shout-out, no free shout out of the week. I loved it, every single bit of it. Jack, you hit us with something special last week, and I'm not saying you have to live up to the same standard as you did, but my God, sir, last week was it was very special. I can't wait to see what you bring with us today.

Yeah, I'm going a little bit of a different direction this week. I don't want to bring the energy down on the bus because it's peak right now. We were having a little bit of energy focus earlier. We're trying to get back to this point. We're doing good. So I don't want to bring the energy down, but my shout out of the week is to the late great Maggie Josephine McPherson. My grandmother passed away last week,

and I went to her funeral yesterday. And she was 95 years old, so she lived a beautiful, long, healthy life. And it just, like, seen all support of, like, all these people who probably were her friends' children show up and just, like, speak about her and, like, speak on her name. It was great.

So, you just celebrate in her life. Just got to throw her out on the bus. Shout now Maggie Josephine McPherson. That's mine for the week. Maggie Josephine. an outstanding, outstanding shout-out. And it was, it was a bit of a pivot, right? We're hitting different directions this whole thing as we do every single week.

And I think that's a beautiful. Did you happen to say anything? Did you get up? I didn't say anything in the actual ceremony, but like I said, I got to speak to some of her, one of her friends who's like 91, and she's still like sharp as attack. And when you speak to someone who's had that much life, and you can just see how someone affected them,

it's just like, you're like, damn, did I even know this person who's my grandmother? Like obviously you want to think you knew your grandparents and all your older relatives, but they live so much longer than you've even existed. So it's just cool to see how people can truly impact other people's lives and make them feel like they can do better every day. So it's what she did. The transition of life, baby.

We're always in different seasons of our life. And you got to know your grandmother for a very long time, but she lived a lot longer before you're even born. I'm sure she was a beautiful woman. Look at you, right? I'm sure your mother and father are beautiful. And she must have been the same one. Shout out Maggie. Shout out Maggie. That was beautiful. And I love the different phases you're giving us right now.

You're going, yeah. Gotta go back and forth. But all of it's getting right with yourself before you get right with the world. Don't think I forgot about that, my boy. Don't think I forgot about that. Garrett, let's go. What you got for shout out? No free shout out of the week. My free shout out of the week is going to be finding the right barber for you. Oh, okay. Gone through something about that. You hear that little crinkle in there. Hey, it's all right. You get to shower. You might be good. Hey, dude, you're right. I always finish that workout and come right here. I'm a stinky boy.

There's been a lot of, you know, ups and downs with the barber. So I switched this morning. And I will be going back, East Nashville Bearden Barber. Yeah, pop that top for us. I do have a hat on right now because I thought I was going to sneak in a little gym guy.

Yeah, sit a side piece for us. Very nice. I'm not going to lot. I thought he cut my neck doing the straight razor, but it was just that tight. Guy's a pro. Pro. Guys are pro.

See, I'm always growing my hair out until I'm cutting it. You know what I'm saying? I'm not a two-week. three-week guy. I like to kind of live with the Evan's life. This will probably be the only cut until the end of summer.

Really? Probably. I can't wait to see it. And I can't wait to see your winter beard come back to. That thing, that's, that's, that's,

that's, that's, crazy. This is a summer beard. Yeah. Like, I couldn't even grow 5% of that summer beard.

And his winter beard is Grizzly Adams. Grizzly Adams, dude, a man of Alaska. You're up in there. You're up in the pines. Chasing bears down and beating them up. They see that beard.

They start running. Yeah, your boy needs a haircut, probably a shower. And yeah, the beer game, Jack, I'm with you on that. Look at this, I've got some pubic hair running around my face. It's all to hide that tragic jawline, though. You know what I'm saying? We're all born with things in our lives. I got a small piece.

I got a bad beard. Overall, 4.5. Am I right? That is an outstanding, outstanding shadow of the week. As always, we're hitting him in all different phases. And I love the adversity that was brought to me today because before we got on here, I wasn't sure what I was going to do. And I made the decision.

Pat McAfee was going to be my shout-out, I don't know if he's shadow of the week. I think everything he's done. I've already hit it, but he's a guy that killed it, followed his own dreams, said one day he was going to do what he did and went and did it.

And that's an outstanding shout-out. I can't take two because that'd be unfair and I wouldn't be doing my job. As the captain of this ship right now, as our boy Will has just had his baby, by the way. By the way, that's the first time I just said that. By the way, we're no longer on baby watch. Baby watch.

Here we go, a baby watch. One more time now, baby watch. That's right. Will Compton has had his baby, and she is as adorable as the sunrise, I will say. She is a very beautiful baby, but I can't keep jumping around. I have to give my shout-out, no free shout-out of the week,

and that one goes to Tyree Kill, signing that fatty contract. Going down to Miami, he not only got a massive contract, the taxes went down to, boys and girls. He went down. He was at Kansas City, flew on down to Florida,

that Sunshine State in Miami, which I'm sure is an outstanding, franchise. They have beautiful color, beautiful color uniforms, beautiful tradition, a great owner and went to the University of Michigan. And he, I'm sure, is going to do great things with Jayland. Was it Jalen Waddle? Is that his name? Jalen Wattel. I don't want to get it wrong. But a couple of speedsters on the side. Tua definitely has all the things he needs. And that guy, Cheetah, they call him that for a reason. Guys outstandingly fast made so much money and less taxes. That boys officially has won the free agency, not a 20-22 season. Let's get a little love.

get a little love to our boy Tyree Kill. Now to jump back on, yes, like as I said before, our boy, Will Compton has had a baby. He is now a father. He's been talking about it for a long time. But now he's in it, boys and girls. They're still at the hospital right now going through all that. I'll let Will talk to you about that process and how it all went.

Because honestly, it's not my place. I can't go in there and say, hey, this happened and that happened. I know all of it right up here. It's right up top. But I'm not going to give it to you until Will has the opportunity to say everything that went on. will say that Charles was an absolute stud. Handle herself, crushed it, did amazing.

And now they have a beautiful baby because of it. So very happy for them. A lot of things happening. A lot of things going on. We got Augusta, right? We got the Masters coming up in a little bit. But not only the Masters, we have the National Championship tonight.

National Championship between North Carolina and Kansas. All right? And you kind of thinking to yourself, as a non-basketball watcher, kind of feels like every year's like this, right? Those two are really all in it. That's kind of what we're doing. But National Champions happened. Stories, history will be written tonight.

And I want to know from the boys, who do you guys got? Yeah, North Carolina, who is, I'm Eric Church is the number one fan, apparently, dipping on the boys, right? He dipped on the crowd, said, sorry about it. I'm going to go to his final four game. And he has to show up at the finals, right? He can't not go to that. Yeah, I'm sure.

I hope he has a concert tonight so he can double the fuck down on everybody. I hope he can do it. Yeah. So, Blas, I don't care if you take my pick this time because there's only two. Who do you got tonight between North Carolina? Carolina, Tar Heels and the Kansas, was it Jayhawks? Jayhawks, yeah. Jayhawks, baby.

That's their chant. I love it, dude. A couple of basketball schools out there killing it. I like UNC tonight. I like them riding high off of that Duke win and how that rivalry is kind of played out. And how... Coach K to bed, huh?

Yeah, absolutely. On that tour. Yeah, so I like UNC tonight. No, UNC. UNC for Blas. Yeah, great team. Great team. I'm sure.

I mean, we got to go back and forth for a lot of these things. and I'm hoping for a little. I hope it's not a clean sweep back here, but I can't tell you guys what. Oh. Yeah. Oh.

Is Kansas the favorite? I love it. I Bloss. I love how you're going against it. That's the, you're showing your Twitter personality right now the way you're talking, baby. JP, what do you got for us?

I got Kansas. I got Bill Self in Kansas. He mentioned Coach Shoshowski. I think Coach Shoshvsky might text Bill Self, the Kansas coach. Give him a little inside scoop on UNC. Oh. I don't think Coach Kay.

I don't think that'd be cheating. He's done. He retired. That's true. He can't get in trouble anymore. You can't have UNC win the national championship last year. No. He had an opportunity to beat him. Oh, that's crazy. A little shot from Bloss there with no mic in his mouth for a second. They had an opportunity to beat him and they didn't, he said. Blas said enough like a WWE beef with you and now me, apparently.

It sounds like Bloss wants the hands. He wants the hands. And he's a cop, too, so you know if you ever touch him. There goes, assault brother. You're out of there. You're in the cuffs the bad way like we talked about before. You guys want to put a little bed on it? You guys got a little thing? Yeah, let's bet on it Loser gets pepper sprayed?

Hey, easy. I'm just asking, that was the first thing that came out of my head. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, so Blas knows. What do you think, JP? You be able to take a pepper spray? No, I can't take a pepper spray.

Okay, all right, no ball's fine. What all you got to got? Let's do, uh, I don't know. I got the Jeopardy theme song on my head right now, boys. Do do, do, do, do no, no, do. You said wings? That's fine. We'll do so.

We're going to buy wings. Yeah. All right. Hey, where we going, though? Strikeout? Strikeout. No free shots to strike out. Probably the best wings in Nashville, though.

Bates is probably watching this pissed off because Memphis is the best, whatever, dude. Whatever. Bloss also called out Memphis. They're not even a basketball town. We can get in that later. So we got wings on the line in the back. Let's sit the second row. We got Jackie Boy.

Who do you got? A little context. I became a bandwagon fan for the first time of my life when I was like nine and it was to the U and C Tar. Love that. I mean, Roy Williams and the Tyler Hainesboro era, it was just electric to me. So obviously, rolling with the Carolina Blue, but there's a new white post that's kind of sweeping around Brady Manick. And if you haven't seen him, he looks like he's straight out of an Amish community.

Love that. Kid fucking balls. He's a grinder. And, I mean, he's just kind of taking the storm. He's kind of taking the spotlight of what's Homeboy's name from St. Pete's, Doug. since Doug's kind of fizzled. It's not the same caliber, but... Doug was a special man.

We'll throw a photo up of Brady Manick. I actually tweeted at him from the busing account, giving him a formal invitation to come on the bus. Wow. He's got this energy. So I'm riding with the Carolina Blue tonight, hoping they lock in another title. Bring it out for the fighting Amish, dude.

That guy's going to kill it. He looks like an Amish dude with the beard, the slick back hair looks outstanding. He's got a tar heels. He's being in the post. Is he now? I did like the Doug guy. I thought he was outstanding. Yeah, he just looked like an accountant, didn't he? But he was out there slaying them threes. All right, we got two to one, Tar Hills. What do we got there, Garrett? I feel like I got to go Kansas. Got to, right? Yeah. The two, too, right now. Is there any reason other than you just want to be different? Or I guess it make everything equal? I mean, I don't know basketball, really. So I'm cool either way. Good game could all I could ask for. I just think it's going to be tough for UNC come off. of that hard game against Duke.

There's some dudes shaking up. They're a big guy in the post. Can't think of his name right now. He's a beast. Amanda. But I don't know. I could just see it being a little tough to get up for a big game like this

after in the Duke UNC games like what everyone wanted to see. It's the rivalry. Yeah. So now, I mean, if they do it, if they pull it off, it would be badass. But for this sake, I'll ride with JP. I love that. Would you two care to put it on Yeah, we'll do the same thing.

The pepper spray? Yeah. We're not doing pepper spray? I'm not going to do pepper spray. Okay, so, but if you win, Jackie, you'll do pepper spray? Yes. Put him on the mic, make sure he says yes. Yeah, I'm good with wings for sure.

Okay. All right, all right. That's fair enough. That's a lot to ask from the boys without even telling you about it before. I didn't even know that was any coming to my head until it did. Yeah, I feel like Duke and UNC are the most storied rivalry. I'm not a basketball guy, so am I right in saying that? And for those of you who disagree with me,

you're more than willing to call me out. I really have no dog in this fight, I guess. Big Air Church fan, I don't know how I feel about what he did. But I'm going Kansas, boys. I'm going to go Kansas on that one. I'm going to do it. I'm going Kansas. So put me down for the wings as well against both of you.

You guys are going to be fat little piggies when I'm done with all you. Whoever wins. fat little piggy's, but not only as the National Championship game going on, Augusta. And I feel like I keep saying Augusta, the Masters. The Masters is happening next week, correct? This coming week, this Thursday. I apologize.

Listen, your boys been living on a rock for a little bit. I drank a little too much on Friday, and it's kind of been a little bit of a whirlwind ever since then. But the Masters is happening, and it really feels like the Masters sold out for Tiger Woods. They put the whole thing about him on there. Do we think Tiger Woods is going to win this thing? Or is this a ratings clip here?

What's that? Why not? Yeah, that's true. I mean, more people, including myself, are going to tune in to the Masters because Tiger Woods is on the game or on the match, on the game. No, I think that, I mean, anyone can win any weekend. I can't imagine being a young guy and then you get matched up with Tiger at the Masters.

That's just got to be nerve-wracking. So in that aspect, I think he'll make a good run, but there's some studs. Yeah. Like some young dudes that are studs. But, I mean, you always want to see Tiger on Sunday. If you see Tiger in Red, that's a good thing. Yeah, John Rom to win the whole thing? Absolute Beast.

John Rom. He's an absolute beast. Is that who we're betting on? To ASU, he's a stud. Gotta love that. The ASU kids. Probably got a little venereal disease in there, too, right? The way ASU rolls out there, it's a pretty crazy town.

He seems like a pretty buttoned up guy. Is he a buttoned up, dude? Yeah. See, I'm more of like a John Daly guy. He's a golfer, yeah. You know, John Daly is like that, though. You know what I'm saying? So we got a lot of things going on.

The Masters is happening. There, that's going to be a storied, storied event as always. And Tiger being a part of it is just going to send that thing to the damn atmosphere, boys and girls. Now, listen, I've touched on it before. Sam Donald just come on. He was the third overall pick in the 2018 draft by the New York Jets, up and down, there, right? We had an up and down thing going on. He had Adam Gase, the big eye guy, right?

Where he's doing this. You don't know what he's on. Is it Coke? Is the LSD? But the guy must have been having a good time with that thing. It was a wild gig, right? I'm sure he's fantastic. I've never met him. But the eye thing really kind of spooks you for a second, right? It gives you that pre-October feel where you're like, man, it is a little spooky in here.

He had to deal with that. I'm not saying he had to deal with it, but that was one of his coaches. Ends up getting traded to the Carolina Panthers and gets hurt in week three. They bring in the long-lost hero, Cam Newton, into that whole thing. And now things are up in the air with this future. We're not sure what's going to happen with him.

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So keep it up, keep going. Love you. Big hugs, tiny kisses. Keep it up. Sam Donald, let's rip. All right, yeah, perfect. We're already in the same. You know, this is actually my first time doing a podcast by myself.

Are you nervous? Well, not by myself, but like with somebody. Yeah. That's not Will. Yeah. I can say I'm a little nervous right now. A man of your stature. We'll be all right.

Man, who's making news around the league everywhere right now? Really? I don't know. I've read a couple things. Dude, I don't know. I don't pay attention. So.

You don't pay attention to anything? No. I feel like that's a load of bullshit. Really? Absolutely. So you don't see any of stuff people are saying things going on? Yeah, it's not a healthy thing. It's not a healthy thing, but at the same time, it's like one of those deals where I kind of forced to watch sometimes.

Well, that's why it's cool when it gets brought up in person because then they're like exactly like you just did. Yeah. Actually, no, I don't know any news that's come out about me. You can fill me in on everything. We'll have to in a little bit for sure. Yeah. We're actually going right now, too, by the way. Welcome to Bustin with the boys.

Outstanding citizen with us today. Third overall pick in the 2018 draft, Sam Donald, please give him a round of applause, boys. Electro stack to have him on Charismatic individual I've actually met him once before if you guys didn't know this at the Rebel Ranch right?

Yep. We were boozing together one day not a whole lot of boozing but there were a couple drinks passed around Did you like the place? It was great. Yeah. Live music.

All the Brad Burberry, right? Yep. He came up and how do you guys know each other? Same class? Garrett. Garrett. Yeah, it's all the same thing to me. Yeah.

Yeah, he's a great dude. We just connected through really our agency. Really? Just people that we know. And then actually a lineman that's on our team, Pat Elfline is boys with him. Yeah. Through like training and stuff. So, but yeah, they're all great dudes.

Awesome. You know what I mean? Right. The salt of the earth cats. 100%. 100%. And so you guys came up to Cave Creek. What brought you guys up there?

Where were we? That bar, Buffalo Chip. Yeah. Outstanding bar. So we had a night out in Buffalo Chip and it was great. You guys watched the bull riding and everything? Did. Yeah.

That's awesome. Give me one second. I am already leaking, boys. Holy shit. Don't look at that. Don't look at that. Hey, what hit, JP? Watch yourself now.

I know. So, hey, sometimes you're sitting down in that chair a little bit and it's like, oh, the tarps comes off a little bit. Yeah, you guys, was the Buffalo chip. You saw bull riding? Bull riding. The whole thing. A little line dancing. Oh, you know how to line dance.

I don't, no, but I tried hard. Did you? It's all it matters is the effort. No doubt. So did you learn a two step two? When we started line dancing and it wasn't going my way, I just kind of stepped to the side. No doubt. I just started, you know, just doing my thing.

Kind of bobbing back and forth. Yeah. That middle school thing, when you kind of peer back and forth, you're staring at the other girls. 100%. And we're waiting who's going to make a move first type of deal. Yeah. And then at Buffalo Chip, I feel like there were a lot of pros out that night. Yeah, they get down out there, dude.

I give you a little hint on line dancing. This might just be my opinion. But I feel like you leave line dancing for the ladies. Right. They go out there. They get in their lines. They enjoy themselves and do all that. step-ins where it's at.

I was out, I was actually in Arizona this weekend. And I have a buddy out there, Bo Campbell. Guy can absolutely two-step with the best of him. He's stolen women around. There's no gravity when it comes to that man dancing.

It's outstanding. Got way too drunk. I had no idea. It was one of those little sipper deals. And it would just, it turned on me real fast. Yeah. It's not about me.

This is about you. No, let's keep going. Let's talk about you. Let's talk about you. No, let's not. Did you go to high school? I went to Chaparral High School went to Michigan, but you went to high school and you didn't just play football.

Basketball player too. Yep. Was there ever a point in your life where you're like, I want to do basketball instead of football? Oh, yeah. Early on, I would say. I would say basketball is probably my first love. Watching Kobe growing up. The man.

My dad had a huge Lakers fan. Obviously turned me into a Lakers fan as well. You know, even when the Lakers weren't winning a ton, he was so fun to watch. I mean, just, you know, it could be middle-less. season, regular season game, and he'd be going all out. Like, they could be losing by 20, and he'd be playing in the last few minutes of the fourth quarter. It was just like, you know, and I didn't even really recognize that as a young kid. Yeah, but I just get older. You appreciate it way more, huh?

100%. Yeah. 100%. So it was just, yeah, didn't even realize it at the time, but he was such an inspiration for me and, you know, I'm sure a lot of other kids, but it was fun to watch, grow up and watch that. And so that's kind of how I felt. fell in love with basketball and then, yeah, just ended up loving it and then started to get into football a little bit later on, like third grade. And just played, I played basketball, football and baseball. Those are like the three that I just rotated around. Yeah. Throughout my childhood growing up and really throughout until freshman year of high school and then played basketball up until my senior year of high school. And that was the last year

I played basketball. You didn't do any pickups at USC or anything like that? We did. Yeah. Yeah. But nothing. Nothing organized. Or whatever.

Dunk on some little nerds? Nothing organized. A hundred percent. Yeah. Offseason grind. Yeah, no question. Yeah. I cannot play basketball at all, but all the boys would go out there, hang out and play

basketball. You could post stuff though. Yeah. Yeah, I'll get no easy buckets. Yeah. No easy buckets than me. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Pass it back and forth over and over again. Invent the alley-oop. Yeah. It's a beautiful thing. Yeah. You would throw it, though. You're not dunking, though. No,

No, I can, I get, I used to be able to, I don't know if I can dunk anymore. The boy had a 30 and a half. Okay. You know, that little vert was kind of nice. Yeah. It's harder than mine. It was like 25, 26. Bad, yeah.

Yeah, I was looking at it on the Wikipedia page. I'm a one, one foot jumper. We ran the same 40 as well. Did we? Yes. Good. Yeah, well, you know. Well, you know, what was, what was the 10?

What was the split? I think that's what matters. 164. Yeah, probably fashion me too. But you don't. You don't got to run that fast. You kind of got wheels. Like Pat Mahomes, you guys can get around a little bit.

Yeah, yeah, game speed. Yeah. And so when you went to USC, you were going there to play linebacker. No. They wanted you to play linebacker at first. So I got recruited. So there were some alignment. I don't know if you know their name, Kyle Murphy or Josh Garnett.

I don't know those names, no. So they went to Stanford, played linemen. He was a left tackle at Stanford. But they went to my high school. Or, sorry, Kyle Murphy went to my high school, not Josh. but and then Sean Harlow Do you know that name at all? No.

No. He went to Oregon State. Do we know the name back there, boys? If it's not 49ers Blas, I don't know. Yeah, he was, I mean, both really good prospects out of same high school. So we had some, you know, Pack 12 schools that would come around

and they recruited me. But at the time, I was playing linebacker and receiver my sophomore year. And I remember Ogeron. Ogeron had like one of the little film cameras. Yeah. And he was like filming me doing linebacker drills. And I was like, I thought this guy was here for, you know,

the seniors who are getting recruited to play at, uh, to play at SC. And he was just like, no, like I want to film this dude darnel. Like he looks like he's, he's got some athletic ability. And I was like a buck, you know, buck 90 at the time. Grow into it. Same height. I was tall early on. But, uh, yeah, I was a skinny, skinny little linebacker who would just get tossed around

by left tackles in our league. But, uh, I was playing like three, four, uh, like Sam. I, no, Will at the time. So I was, like, kind of on the line of scrimmage. Yeah. Trying to fight off tight ends and tackles when they were trying to run block. So that was fun at 190. Yeah.

And there were kids that, there were like tackles and guards that were pushing 300 in our league. Really? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, California's got good ball out there. A lot of people like to shit on California, but it's kind of a deal. People do like to shit on California. Yeah. A lot of people in this bus, actually.

Oh, really? California. Yeah. Who is that? Who is that? We want to point fingers? No, we're not pointing fingers. But it's in this general areas or in this general area?

No, it's in this general area. Well, T. We'll leave him out of it. Yeah, fair enough. T with three letters. Shit on California ball. It's like a top five state. He just talks a lot about SEC and, you know.

Where are you from, T? How it means a little bit more. Oh, you're from here? You're a Valls guy? Got to respect the Valls. Their fan base is out of control. Their fan base is insane. Michigan, Michigan beat the Valls in basketball to go to the Sweet 16.

and I put out one tweet of Juan Howard slapping the tea and holy shit now obviously most of my followers are Tennessee fans living in Tennessee but it was a bloodbath they remind me of the Buffalo Bills that Bill's mafia

you get that tea mafia out there but California dudes they rip now California, Ohio, Georgia, Alabama, Florida is that the top five? Oh Pennsylvania too that's another one he can't sleep on that tea yeah Louisiana's like that I don't even know that. That's recent, though.

That's pretty recent. So when Ogeron came had this little camcorder on you, filming you up, you're a buck 90, did you think to yourself, oh, I'm going to the league now? No, no, I had no idea. I actually, I didn't really know what a scholarship offer was until I got offered my first one. Who was your first offer? University of Utah. Oh, hell yeah.

Huge, dude. Absolutely. Yeah, so they offered me after my sophomore year. I played like two games at the end of the season at quarterback because the starter got hurt. and they offered me based on some tape that they saw of those two games and then I've like some drills that I did for him during the spring. No shit. Crazy.

Yeah. And so he offered me the scholarship. He was like, hey man, like we want to offer you a scholarship to play football at the University of Utah. And I was like, oh, okay. At quarterback after two games. Yeah. And I was like, okay, cool.

You know, didn't really knew like what it entailed or like he was like, you pretty excited about it or you just, I was just very like kind of. a monotone. Like, yeah, I'm very excited. Thank you, coach. Like, can't wait to, you know, continue talking to you, whatever. And he goes and tells my parents, like, right after that. And I just see my mom melt. She's just crying. Yeah, everywhere. And I'm just like, I think this is a little bit bigger deal than I, than I thought. Right. And so, they're like, yeah, like, my dad kind of explained it to me in the head coach. He was just like, dude, you're like, you're going to get offered, like, full tuition to go to the school just to play

ball and potentially have a chance at going to the league. Yeah, that's pretty incredible. And so, I don't know. I think it was kind of cool to, you know, live my entire kind of childhood and my high school life, not really knowing what, you know, I was necessarily going for. You know, I wasn't ever trying to get an offer, you know, but it just happened. So when you were growing up playing ball, you never thought, oh, I'm going to be an NFL football player someday?

Or I'm going to be an NBA basketball player or MLB? I always dreamed of playing in professional sports. Yeah. something, but I didn't know necessarily kind of the steps to get there. I was just like, oh, I want to play professional ball, do something. And so I was just like,

dang, like, you know, I guess the next step would be college. Yeah. High school, right? Yeah, that's, so. Usually football is like, just a singular line trajectory of where you're going to go. Yeah. Exactly. So, uh, yeah. So I got offered and I was,

yeah, after they kind of, you know, told me what it was and what was going on, then, uh, They told me. They were just like, I was just, you know, so happy. So happy about, you know, the situation. And it's funny, like, once you get that first offer, I mean, you know how it is. It just starts rolling in.

And you got one in your sophomore year. That's kind of, is that abnormal? One guy that dude from Michigan, he got one in eighth grade, which is kind of while. Do you have any kids at your school that were getting offers like that? Yeah. I mean, oh, no, no, not in my high school. But obviously, you know, you got guys, he got guys in, you know, like David Sills. who now plays receiver, I think, for the Giants.

He played at West Virginia, I believe. And he was, like, one of the top recruited kids in California to play quarterback. And ended up getting offered in seventh grade, I believe, by, like, Lane Kiffin at SC. Yeah. And it was insane. It has zero pubic hair on his body. And they're just going to all of a sudden give him an offer. That's, you know, he might have.

He might have. Some seventh graders did. Yeah. Luke Stedman, when I was in middle school. kid was a hostage. He had a receding hairline at 12 years old. It was unbelievable. So you get the youths.

And so you're kind of like, hey, I guess I'm just going to college now. This is going to happen. What happened after that? Who were the next ones to fall in line? Shoot, it was kind of other pack 12 schools. And you didn't start playing quarterback until your junior year? Yeah, like full time.

So, yeah, kind of that off season. Yeah. We're going into junior year. I started playing more quarterback. But, yeah, man, it was just packed 12 schools, a couple, I think it was just Tennessee honestly, he offered me. And then...

Smart move, huh? And then, yeah, and then it was like Big Ten, like Penn State, some other ones, but... Do you get Michigan? I didn't. You know, it's funny? Right when Harbaugh got the Michigan job, he called me.

Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah, and he was kind of pitching, and I was just like, hey, like, I've committed to USC. Like, this was after, like, right when I was about to start my senior year. And I was like, listen, like, I made a commitment to go to SC.

Like, I appreciate you reaching out. But, um, so yeah, he did reach out and, you know, assume that he would have probably offered me, but I didn't even let him get that far. I was just like, I'm, I'm going to SC. A loyal cat, huh? Yeah. I mean, dude, I grew up an SC fan. Yeah, I mean, you grew up with Matt Liner, Reggie Bush, those dudes out there slaying it.

Primetime SC ball. And I was, you know, that was my childhood. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. So. And Pete Carroll was the dude, too. Man. Yeah.

He played SC perfectly. Did all the stuff you needed to do. Get the, and then dip, right when the sanctions are, yes. Yeah. Will Ferrell coming in doing practice. Do you guys have anything like that at S-E? He did it, right.

We never did, dude. God. Who were your coaches at S-C? I was with, so Sark. I was with Sark for about a year and a half, and then Clay took over as the interim, and ended up getting the job after that first year, where we had a pretty good year.

That's awesome. Yeah. So when you were coming out, as soon as you offered by the youth, you're like, I want to go to S.C. The whole time you're like, I want to go to S. I always wanted to go to SC.

Yeah. So when they offered it was done deal. Yeah, it was. Because they offered late, too. Like, I was, I actually went on some unofficial visits. I went to Duke, Northwestern. And then I went to Oregon. Why'd you do to Duke?

Why'd you go to Northwestern? I wanted to, right? I, uh, I just wanted to. No, I'm not, actually. Well, Duke's a good school, right? I thought I was. But, uh, no, Duke's a great school, Northwestern, too. but I really liked Fitz, who's the coach at Northwestern.

And I like Cutcliffe a lot, just knowing his background with the Mannings and stuff. I was like, you know, I want to get to know this guy and potentially play for him. I think he'd be sick. Yeah. And so that was kind of my mindset with that. And then went to Oregon after that. So I went Duke, Northwestern, Oregon. And then I came back down to do a camp, like last minute at SC.

They had like a middle school camp going on. And then I was throwing, I was like thrown in the middle. because Sark wanted to see me throw in person. He'd never seen me throw in person. So I threw for him. I probably like 50 balls just kind of warming up. And then on the run, just really like low-key workout. And then he took me in his office and offered me on the spot there.

And I thought about it. You know, I made the whole list, pros and cons, where I wanted to go, top three schools. And, you know, that was once I made the pros and cons list, I was like pros for SC. Yeah. And then there were no cons. Yeah, it was over for you, huh?

Okay, yeah, this is pretty easy. Yeah, no doubt. Parents can see me play. Great education, great ball. Grew up a fan. Yeah. Grew in San Clemente, right? Yeah.

Outstanding town if you ever been to San Clemente. God, what a beat town. I have been. I was like 15, 16, I had a girlfriend who was pretty rich. So we'd go out there in the summertime. It was a nice deal. Oh, yeah. Good move.

Oh, yeah. Smart, big family, Italian girl. There you go. She was awesome. Shout out Laura Shockley. But we would go to San Clemente all the time. Awesome. Yeah.

We go to San Clemente. It was awesome. She was like a motherfucker. Yeah, she hates my guts probably now. Shout out. Hey, Laura. Good to see you. Oh, my name.

Out here. Motherfucking. Yeah. How do you feel about that? What side do you want with Chris Rock and Will Smith? What a weird pivot? Yeah. Yeah.

No, I mean, you can't, you can't hit anyone. Yeah. So you're on the Chris Rock side. Yeah. And it's a joke. Mm. But, you know, whether the joke was bad. taste or not.

You know, it's, you can't just, you can't go up and smack someone. Yeah. Like that. Yeah. We talked about it on the podcast last week and it kind of seemed like it's alopecia, right? I don't want to get that wrong because I feel like it's insecure. If I, what I say called it last week?

Propetia. Propitia, which is like the save the hair thing. And I just think that, I don't know. It depends. There's a lot of women, Jada included, who look beautiful. Right. With the shaved head. I had no issue with it.

And I think anything's fair with comedy when it comes to stand up. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Unless you're white saying the N-word. That's probably a big no-no, right? Probably shouldn't go down that road. Other than that, I think you're pretty fair game. Other than that, there might be another couple.

Yeah. Anything off the top of your head you're thinking of? No, no, not at all. Yeah. But, no, that was, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't even know if he knew that she had it or I don't even know if it was his joke. That's the other thing is like, did he write it himself? He didn't, right?

I mean, even then he's got to take responsibility because he said it. Yeah. So, I mean, but at the end of the day, it's a joke. And Chris Rock's there to, and you've got to know if you're at the Oscars and you're sitting front row. You're going to get roasted a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, too, when they showed Will Smith sitting there, he was like smiling, having a good time.

Have you seen the whole clip? And then he looks over. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Had to go defend her honor. Yeah. Yeah. I thought his reaction was perfect, though.

The way Chris Rock handled it? He's like, wow. What a fucking pro, dude. What a pro. Oh, there's no question. He was rattled. He was a rattle. He started saying documentary instead of Oscar,

like had a whole bunch of stuff going on, but I think all of us in here, if he slapped me, we've talked about this. You get slapped by another man. You like to think level of heads were prevail, but like, I mean,

do you're getting poked in the chest in general. Someone does something like just goes right up to your chest that pokes you. You kind of want to kill that person immediately, right? Yeah. you're getting open hands slapped. Imagine if that just broke out into a huge fight. I think Chris Rock would get his ass beat.

He would absolutely get his ass beat. Well, yeah. He's probably gotten, I mean, listen, he's a stand-up comedian who has done a million shows. Right. That's probably happened to him. And the stand-up community, I don't think they're a bunch of tough guys in there. Like two off the top of the head, Shob and Rogan. The two dudes that are probably going to beat some ass.

Other than that, like, you don't think, I mean, Chris Rock's tiny. He's 5'7. Yeah. 54 years old or whatever he is, absolute legend. Legend. But he starts swinging. It would have made it. I mean, it would have been an outstanding TV.

We would be talking for an hour longer. He said it. Right when he landed the shot, right when he got back up to the mic, he was like, this is the greatest night in television. Yeah, hey, he did such a great job. Yeah. Such a great job handling. It was very well.

He handled it perfectly, I thought. Yeah. I think it would have been better if he just said, keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth. And then it just was it. But then he just kept going. Yeah, it was a bad deal. And then it goes up and does that two and a half minute speech.

Were you watching it live? I didn't watch it live. Yeah, I wasn't either. Yeah, I see the Twitter and it's thriving. It's going off on there. And you immediately go to try to zoom in, find it. Shout out Japan. Japan had the whole thing for us.

Yeah, no, I don't know how fast it was after he slapped Chris Rock. But how fast, how quick was the turnaround with him winning the award and going up and giving the speech? That was like 20 minutes, right? That's crazy. Yeah, and so he's got to go up. He's talking about being a protector and stuff like that. Yeah. And it was his first Oscar as well.

God. Hey, and then he just resigned from the academy. Yeah. He just came out the other day and said, I'm going to resign. Which, I don't know what that means. Is that mean he's done acting? Or he's just no longer affiliated with the PA or whatever they are. I don't know, dude.

He can't go to the Oscars. I tell you, T's got the information. He just can't go to the award shows anymore. But he can still win stuff. He's still good. Yeah, he's Will Smith. He's not going anywhere. Yeah.

If anything, he probably just got another action movie. Right. The twerk on that. The hit movement? Yeah. That would be a hell of a golfer. Yeah. 100% hell of a golfer.

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I know it seems a little redundant, but there's a lot of people out there, their mind spaces, left and right, little ADHD in your life. You're thinking one minute, you're not, you might miss the second one, you might miss the first one, and then all of a sudden you catch that third one. And we're just trying to help the boys be boys, and that's busting. You know what I'm saying? You're just trying to bustin. You know what I'm saying? So make sure you do that. We love you to death. And I assume by you just watching this, you have a little feeling in your tummy too when you see us a couple of butterflies sitting there. And if you do, go to YouTube, go to Twitter, go to Instagram, go to Facebook, go to whatever you,

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We registered our first year. Yep. Yeah, redshirt the first year, which I knew I was going to do. So, you know how a lot of quarterbacks go early at school. So I didn't do that. I just went in the summer because I knew. Smart. Hit prom.

Yeah. Do it all. Yeah. I played basketball, went to prom, did all the cool senior stuff to do. Right. Because if I wouldn't have done that and then sat for a year is like, what am I doing? Frozen cons. No.

Exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, redshirted. Redshirted SC. Sat behind Cody Kessler and then quarterback competition. Started that next year with Max Brown. It was another, you know, five-star kid coming out. I had to sit for a few years to wait his shot, wait for his shot.

And then, yeah, and then he ended up winning the competition. Ended up playing for three games, I believe. And then I started the fourth one. We lost that one. So we started one and three. And then we didn't lose a game after that. Well, it was going through your mind when he won the competition. He was obviously you guys going back and forth all camp.

When they tell you that, hey, you're not going to be the starter week one? Basically what What coach said was just We got to make the best decision For the team And that was basically it You know how it is It was like very

We got to do what's best for the team And What's best for the team Is that max starts for us Really And so that was It was very Very simple

Which I respected Because I was like How am I going to argue with that You know The coach thinks that he's better than me and that he gives us the best chance to win. Like, do I disagree? Yes, obviously. But that wasn't, you know, that wasn't for me to say.

I just kind of took it and handled it how I handled it. And that was really it. And so you weren't pissed off at all by that? I will, so I'll go back a little bit. He did mention me getting a package for like Red Zone stuff and, and some stuff for me to like run the ball in the red zone and on third and short, third and fourth and short. And so that,

that kind of got me a little, uh, irritated. Um, but I mean, everything that he said was spot on. I mean, he was like,

he gives us the best chance to win. But at the same time, we envision you having like a red zone package and a third and fourth and one package. Um, and so I was just like, yes, coach. Because I'm like a,

you know, 18, 19, 19 year old. I was just like, all right, sounds good. Yeah, I was much more mouthy than that. I'm sure. Yeah. My rush for freshman year, they told me I wasn't starting.

I told the coach to go fuck himself. Yeah. But hey, that's how it works sometimes, you know? I definitely said that in my head. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Sometimes he's got to let him know, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, 100%. That's the way the deal works sometimes. So the first three games go on. Yeah. And then what happens this guy? He gets hurt, right? No, he just got benched. Just shitty.

throwing in I-N-T's left and right. So he just... I mean, I'm still friends to his day. Max's a great dude. He's a great guy to shit on him. Yeah, I'm sure he's a great guy. He's awesome. Yeah, I had to say that. But no, he is. He really is.

But, yeah, that was probably the weirdest part, to be honest, because we're boys, my freshman here, because he was kind of showing me the ropes. And, you know, when I was going out at SC, we were kind of hanging out. And, you know, he was taking me to parties, doing all that stuff, you know, big brother stuff. And then all of a sudden we're in a competition together.

And it was like, I guess that's over. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess we're not doing any of that stuff anymore. Not partying together anymore, nothing like that. So that was kind of the weird part because I was, you know, we had the same friend group, you know, boys with, you know, everyone on the team and then some of the kids outside of football as well. But, you know, it's just part of the deal. And, yeah.

So I thought the way that he handled it was insane, though. Just perfect the way that he was just, he never even said anything in the media about me or anything. He just, he'd handle it like a pro. He just supported you. Yeah. That's awesome, dude.

I love that. When, so you, you play those games and then you go on, then you play the next year. You guys win the Pac-12 championship, correct? Yes. Win the Pac-12 championship,

and then when he gets the 2018 draft. And there's kind of, the three guys that everyone's talking about, Baker Mayfield, you, and Josh Rosen. Yeah. And now you and Baker, well, Baker's pretty outspoken to it, but you seem like a guy kind of like, keep to himself, don't say a whole lot, don't read a lot of stuff.

Yeah. What are you thinking when you see Josh Rosen saying some outlandish shit going to UCLA? Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's hard. It makes life harder. Yeah. But why does it make it harder on you? What do you mean?

You said it makes life harder. For him. Oh, yes. That's why I don't, you know, I choose not to. And like, honestly, like, I wouldn't, I don't know, just not in me to like do stuff like that. And now I do have, you know, I have great friends in a great circle, you know, great family that, you know, if there's some shit that I got to get off my chest, like, yeah, everyone has it.

You know what I mean? But going through the media and making a scene about it, that's, you know, it's just harder to live life that way. You know what I mean? I mean, it makes it a little bit more fun sometimes. You could argue. It's fun if you do well. Right.

Right. But if you're the 10th overall pick getting traded the next year and then it doesn't age well. happened the way it's happened to him. Yeah, it's not a good deal. And same for Baker, too. He seems like he's in a bit of a deal right now. So of all three of those quarterbacks, you're doing the best. Yeah. You're doing well. I argue. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. So Baker, I mean, Baker's got to find himself a new home. What did you think about him when he came out with like a see-a-later letter to the Browns even before they got Deshaun Watson? Yeah, I mean, it's a tough deal, right? Because you got, you got, you know, people that you think are loyal to you in terms of, you know, whatever it is in his circle at the Browns, coaches,

owner, GM, whatever it is for him, saying that they're, you know, he's their guy, all this stuff, all the promises that they make. And then all of a sudden there's rumors going out, not necessarily rumors, but, you know, factual, you know, information out that, you know, they're looking to potentially get to Sean Watson. And, you know, that might hit a, you know, that might hit to the core a little bit for him. Yeah. And so that's, Again, it's not for me to really comment a ton on because I don't, you know, I don't, I'm not in his shoes. I don't know what's going on in Cleveland, but yeah, it's a tough deal, man.

Yeah. As you know, it's cutthroat business. Yeah, 100%. I mean, not to get corny, but it is. Yeah. And you go third overall to the Jets. And was Adam Gase the coach then or was that the year after? No, he was, so Todd Bulls.

Todd Bulls was our head coach in 2018, 2019 season. And then, yeah, love Todd and McCaghanon was our GM. And they were the ones who drafted me, took me in. And then that next year, Bulls gets fired. They bring in Adam Gase and McAggen is still the GM. And then the next year, they bring in Joe Douglas as the GM with Adam Gase as the head coach. So, like, hey, you hear all that stuff. Adam Gays is the dude that does like the weird eye thing, right?

When he's getting-in- His interview? Yeah. Like, was he just a crazy person or what was the deal? Adam's great. He's a good, you loved him. Great, dude. Yeah, I love Adam. Because I was watching some stuff and I was watching a YouTube video of like the Patriots game.

Obviously a tough one out there. And then I was watching stuff after they're like Adam Gaste didn't do anything to help you. They didn't do slide protections. No like seven man pros, no checkdowns, none of that stuff. What was going on during that game where he like did he come and say anything to you or anything like that? Yeah. Well, I mean, we just watched the tape. We talked about some stuff and, you know, there were definitely some things where,

I could have done a lot more with the protection to help me out. But it was just, for lack of a better term, it was a cluster, you know, out on the field and trying to, you know, because Bill and that whole tree, Flores, Patricia, all those guys, if you can't figure out there's zero pressure and you don't have an answer, we're going to keep bringing it. Yeah, when they bring seven up, you think they're bringing zero. Yeah. And so you think you have to get the ball out real fast, then all of a sudden they drop and they're only rushing three or four. well yeah and then the next time they bring them all the one guy that rushes is the guy that you slide away from

yeah you know what I mean so it's like there's just there's there's a lot of there's good ways to handle it and there's bad ways to handle it and you know we didn't we didn't handle it the best that you could have when you say that was stuff you could have done for protection yeah was it like a development thing for you or you didn't know production very well um

I think it was just um kind of getting things lined up to start And then understanding, okay, I have five seconds on the play clock. Like one of those like, I'm like, you know, I was trying to figure stuff out with the receivers, like trying to give them signals. And I think it was more just trying to, we should have been more in and out of the huddle than we were that game. I think that was really the biggest issue. And then we started going on the ball and I helped a little bit.

But I mean, yeah, we didn't have great answers for it. Is there anything you said to the guys like, hey, we got to get to the line faster so I can kind of, dissect this thing? Yeah, for sure. I mean, that was one of the first things I said. And then we started going no huddle, which I did quite a bit of with Adam, which, you know, he did a lot of with Peyton in Denver.

And so that was kind of, that was kind of the go-to. If we were kind of struggling or in a rut, we would go to the no-huddle stuff and try to get on the ball and create some tempo for us. But then again, like, you start to go tempo and you go three and out, it's a defense in a shitty position. Real bad position. And another thing about tempo, too, is when you go

tempo or a two minute type of situation, it usually vanilla's down the defense quite a bit. Right. Because they have to get ready, they have to get line up, they don't have time to make those. Yeah, so they were just bringing zero the whole time. Yeah, that was there. Really putting the fucking pressure on you.

That was, yeah, that was, when we started going no huddle, they were like, all right, we'll just keep calling it. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, it was just a tough day on. And you had the unanimous thing saying you got, you're seeing ghosts out there. Right. Yeah.

Well, like, hey, that's a tough meme. Yeah, it is. No, it's a, it's a tough thing to, uh, to handle, you know, to this day. But, uh, so when all that, when all that stuff cycling, what do you, what are you thinking about that? It's, it's interesting because like, in our room, in a quarterback room, we would, we would see guys kind of like in the pocket, you know, you have some quarterbacks flinch a little bit.

Mm-hmm. We would say, oh, they're seeing ghosts out there. Mm-hmm. And so, like, I just, like, said that to my coach at the time, you know, when we were down 40 to nothing. Yeah. Because I was just pissed and didn't know what to say, to be honest. And it just happened and they got it on live TV.

So were you miced up? Who was miced up? Oh, you fucked up. Yeah. That's on you. I was hoping it'd be like a coach or something like that. But you sold yourself out. No, it's for sure on me.

I'll take that one to the grave. I'll take that one to the grave. No doubt. Dude, that's got to be a tough deal. But hey, listen, everyone has bad games. It's tough. Yeah. No, 100%.

And listen, that was the worst game by far that I've ever played in my life. and I own up to it. Yeah. Yeah. Got to own up to it. But that week after, like, you play Sunday and then Monday, you're just like, fuck my life. No, it was Monday night.

So Tuesday morning. Tuesday morning. Thank God it's a short week, though. You got to move on. Yeah. 100%. Because that stuff, man, when you have one of those games. Like, I have my, we talk about all the time, week one, you kind of sit there and

we played at noon on Sunday. So I had the full week to think about, I'm just a piece of shit now, aren't I? I'm garbage out here. Yep. And then pay attention to the media. Oh, hey, listen. They start saying, oh, you know, you suck, dude. Yeah.

Try to go find a different profession. It's bad. And then people on Twitter, too, are just wild. Yeah, should I do something different? Maybe they're right. Yeah. It's, dude, it's just crazy how people want to manipulate things. And if you go one bad game or something happens, especially being at quarterback,

I feel like, it's part of the deal. But at quarterback, you live and die with the franchise. Like, if things are going well, it's like, wow, this dude's a stud, but look how great the defense is, look how good why receivers are. But when things aren't good, they're like, it's Sam. It's his fault. It's the quarterback's fault.

Does that seem fair to you to have all that kind of pressure all the time? For quarterbacks in general, not just for you. I think it is for sure. Why is that? Money? I mean, the money that's, you know, there's... And a $30 million deal, $20 million signing bonus? It was something like that.

Yeah, you know exactly what it was. Don't do that. Don't do that, dude. But, no, but it's, again, like, I'm half joking about the money thing. But you get ready all week. And, you know, there's a reason that the franchise lives and dies with the quarterback. Yeah. Because you're the one out there.

You got the ball on your hand every single play. Like, and it really has become more and more as the game keeps progressing. It's becoming more and more of a quarterback league. And, you know, it's great. You know, I think it's great for the game, you know. Like when numbers are going up, you know, passing statistics are going up. I think it's great TV, you know, for people to watch and all that. But, yeah, that's kind of my take on it.

But I really do think it, you know, some of it's not warranted. Don't get me wrong. There's some stuff that people say that's, you know. Yeah, people put in that keyboard coach. 100%. I think they know exactly what's going on. They really have no idea. Yeah.

So that part's tough. And then, you know, there's sometimes where like some guy gets it like spot on. You know, he's like the keyboard coach. And he's like, he's like, dude, should have seen this, like, to the left. He should have slid it to the left and got the back out. You're like, dang, dude, he's right. Yeah, I should have done that. That's so funny, dude.

But, uh, but no, it's, it really happens. But, uh, yeah, man, it's, it's part of the deal. Do you do a lot of mental work at all during the off season or anything like that? Um, I, I started to a little bit a couple years ago, um, just working with someone who, not even for football. It was just to kind of clear my mind. and then there's some, you know, just some low-key, like, meditation that I would do, like, just by myself, like, in the morning or at night before I go to bed. Just clear my head.

You use an app? Do you like the calm app or something with that? Headspace? A little bit. Yeah. I just mess with it a little bit. If I feel like I need it or if I feel like I'm, you know, why am I feeling a certain way? Like, you know what I mean?

So sometimes I feel like I need it more days than others. But I think all that stuff's great, though. Yeah. I think there's, I don't think you can talk enough about. about mental health, especially in the NFL. Why do you think it's become such a thing lately? And in the last three, four years, it's really, the mental health has, people have talked about so much more than they have in the past.

Yeah. I just think there's so much more attention around things that wouldn't otherwise get attention because of social media. You know, you have such a, you've such more of a, you're just kind of a fly on the wall in anyone's life now. You know, if you follow whoever it is, like Dak Prescott, you know, talking about mental health, I think, is great, you know, because you look on Sundays and you look on the field and he's rushing it and you're like, dude, this guy makes, you know, he's just killing life in general.

Like, he's throwing touchdowns. He's playing for the Dallas Cowboys. Like, you almost feel like he's invincible. And then all of a sudden he comes out with, you know, all these mental struggles that he's been dealing with. And, you know, you don't realize it, but a lot of, a lot of people deal with the same stuff, you know. huge actors, a bunch of different people. Do you think that like the mental side of things has kind of been brought up more because, like you said, so many people have more access? And like a lot of these guys and like the old school dudes play 10, 20, 30 years ago, like this is so soft now. But they don't realize that it used to be a newspaper clipping.

And that would be your news and what happened in the game before. And you wouldn't see what everybody else is saying. But now at a click of a button, you can learn what everybody's thinking about you always. Great point. Yeah. That's a great point. I think it is different. I think everything's just different.

Yeah. I think to, now there are, there are sometimes where I'm like, okay, that, you know, that's pretty soft, you know, some of the things that would happen in terms of, you know, guys, you know, missing practice for one thing or the other, you know, I think there's a lot of, like the basketball talk, I think is very interesting. Like when you hear guys like Michael Jordan and Larry Bird criticizing guys for, like, missing games during the middle of the season. and, you know, I get some of that.

But now, you know, you look at guys like LeBron who like to do that. And LeBron's in what his 19th, 18th, 19th year. He's a unicorn. He's a freaking machine. And so when a guy like that sits out a game and gets a bunch of flack for it, I'm like, dude, you can't, you can't really give him shit for missing a game. Yeah. You know, look at what he's done with his career.

Look how he literally brought Cleveland up from nothing. He brought Cleveland up for nothing And then also like Michael Jordan You everybody watched the documentary The Last Dance And he would have a couple beers before a game Eat a pizza and that's it Around a golf

Yeah you'll play a round of golf the day before a game Can you imagine playing a round of golf the day before game? I can't imagine playing a round of golf in general in my life Yeah that's a hard ass sport Play 18 holes I can't do I know those couple guys in the back Four hours Dude I'm out there I play three holes

And I sit in the cart and I can't do this Some whistle pig And I just move on But there you go there's the plug You gotta plug it a little bit too I haven't even talked about the Chevy Silverado the most durable reliable vehicle But with Michael dude

It just seemed like As things have advanced more In science and how the body works And all the things you can do for your body now I think in basketball You play so many games Or LeBron Especially at his age too

To take a couple games Sit and not play I mean I think that's the move Now you would argue that people pay good money they work super hard to come and see LeBron, come and see Kobe, come and see those dudes, rest in peace, Kobe. But come and see these guys. But at the same time, like, the whole goal when you play a sport is to win,

whatever it is at the end, whether it's a Super Bowl, the NBA finals, all that stuff. And so I think that's a smart move by him to be able to do that. Yeah. Did you see that thing with Eric Church going to the UNC game? Yes, dude. Oh, my God. What do you think about that?

He just did them the squad. He did. He did. But at the same time, he was enough for the boys move, a huge Eric Church fan too. He refined. funded the tickets, though, of everyone that went. Now they were complaining about flights and hotels and stuff like that, which I get. But it's also one of, it's his dream, you know, to go see a UNC Duke Final Four.

Yeah, and that was, what's his name's last game too, right? Coach Kay. Coach Kay. Yeah. But, I don't know. I'm kind of, I don't know. I don't know if I want to take a side. But I lean towards Eric Church just because, like, it might be part of your dream to go see Eric Church in concert.

But it's literally his childhood dream to go watch UNC Duke playing the final four. Yeah. So like where do you draw the line of like whose fault is it? You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, just to play devil's advocate, if you make a commitment to go do something and there's nothing restricting you other than a want, like you signed up for it. You signed up to be a quarterback in the NFL. So regardless of how you feel on Sunday, you're going to go out there and play, I signed up to be a left tackle.

You know, if I would have I just dipped, we're about to play the Ravens one day. And I'm like, hey, I love it. But this team's playing this team. I really want to go see it's my brother's birthday and that shit doesn't happen. You know what I'm saying? A big Michigan-O-Hawstay game this weekend, guys. I'm not going to be able to go through.

I can't go. Third week in November, I just can't play. Hopefully the bye weeks then. It's like, this doesn't work that way, you know? Yeah, for sure. But, I mean, Eric Church, especially in the country music world, he's a legend. I love his music.

I think he has three or four albums that just absolutely sleigh. But I don't know if that's like the, I mean, I don't think it's the best move to go and do that. Now, he can do whatever he wants with his life. He's still going to go play that same venue probably a year later and sell it out. And it's going to be just fine. Yeah. He's just going to catch a little flack right now and move on.

Yeah. It's tough, dude. Yeah. Eric Church thing is wild. Yeah. What do you think, like, the best way to, like, handle stuff like that is in terms of, maybe not the Will Smith, but like Eric Church and, like, other things that come out about people, like, do you think it's best to, like, post right away?

Or do you think it's, you just kind of eat it and then kind of, like, let time handle it. If you're Eric Church, what would I say if I was Eric Church? I would get out in front of it like he did. And I think

I'm a big get out in front of things guy. I like to, if I fuck up something, if I do something wrong, I feel like I have to tell everybody around me because there's a part of me

that has like this anxiety about if I know I did something wrong and everybody else here knows it did something wrong. There's like this barrier that like they're thinking it and I know it.

So what like, and we're not talking about it. For me, I'm like, I just got to talk about it to make sure like this is what I was thinking, this is what happened, and then that's just how I am.

I think you can go a lot of ways about it. But I, I mean, there's a lot of stuff I see where I'm like, why wouldn't someone just say it, something like this right away? Like, if, you know, your agent speaking for you, you're in a contract negotiation, I, like, when I was doing my contract with John Robinson, I just went and spoke to him. And they're like, hey, you shouldn't go do that. You shouldn't go do X-Y.

I'm like, I got to get up there and just see him face to face and be like, this is how I feel. Yeah. What are you thinking? And then it takes the business side of it. Now you're having a personal conversation. Yeah, I mean, I like to think so. I'm still here, you know?

So things are going all right. Yeah. But what would you do? Would you let everybody else handle it? Yeah, you like that too? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's definitely in the move, dude. Should we do that tier talk now?

Because I know we have to do two. So we have two segments. There's the locker room talk and the tier talk, which is kind of redundant. Uh-huh. Okay. Five stadiums he's ever played in. Top five wide receivers he's ever played with.

God, that's tough. Well, I guess I'll give you that. What do you want to do? Stuff. Definitely need some top five QBs to ever play at you. I'll do that. We'll do that. Okay, so.

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It's different if you're like tatted up You know what I mean If you're gunned you can kind of just do whatever Yeah You know whatever you want Yeah no one's going to see anything Right So he would be qualified as a tier one

one guy. Tier two is like you follow, you comment, you subscribe, you rate five stars. Okay. Those types of things. And then tier three are the people that kind of sit in the background. Then you see like a friend or something like that. Hey, I heard you doing pretty good. I had the podcast is doing all right. That type of thing. That's a tier three guy. Got it. So on these tier talk options, you have to give me your top five quarterback. So I guess we're doing five tiers today, boys. Okay. In order. In order of who you want, hit the, hit the names. You can talk about them if you want. You don't have to talk. You can just hit us right away. But I need your tier one, two, three, four,

and five of these names on the board. Yep. Can the audience see who's on the board? We'll put it up for them. Okay, that's fine. Yeah. Blas is a whiz back there. Yeah.

See a couple names coming out right now? I'd go Carson won. Carson won. Okay. Yeah. Carson Palmer. Why Carson Palmer? Um,

I think just, I mean, he won a Heisman at SC. That's a first one. He won a national championship. Okay. All right. Yeah. He had, for a lot of people that don't know, he actually had a great career. Had some injuries that he's dealt with and, you know, kind of handled it.

I think very professionally. Could have thrown some people under the bus, too, in terms of what happened in his career, in terms of some different things with some certain teams. But I think he handled it like a pro. And I just respect him a ton. and he's a baller. Then I'd go liner. Liner at two, two.

Yeah. Yeah, Liner's a stunned, man. We said before him and Reggie Bush, that little duo they had. It was unreal. It was the sickest thing to grow up and watch them play football. Yeah. What about that name above, Matt Liner? What do you think about that one?

No, I don't recognize it. No? No, no, neither. Um, so I know, this is, this is, this is, tough because I know Mark and Matt Sanchez and Barkley. Yeah. So I hope

they're listening right here and we can have a argument. I mean, Mark's much more handsome than Matt. Yeah, that's debatable as well. You think so? It just depends. You know, if you're into you know. Bonsor-Bernett. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That whole thing that Mark has going on.

Maddie. Big NFT guy, Matt. Big FD Bitcoin guy. Love the Bitcoin. shoot I'm gonna go Mark I'm gonna go Mark Sanchez is a 23

Yep God how does Matt feel about that He follows the pod I know I'm just gonna go Mark just because I mean Matt did some great things at SC but

you know I think he would have won a Natty with that team that wasn't allowed to win a Natty because of the sanctions shout up E Carol but yeah

Mark won the Rose Bowl and stuff so Mark had a great career too so Mark and then Matt and then I'd go Rodney Pete. You're not going to put yourself in that list. Myself. Yeah. Was that?

Oh, it's yourself. I said myself, but yourself. Sorry. Yourself. No. No. I mean, I'm not going to do that. I don't even know who Rodney Pete is.

Rodney Pete, look up his highlights. Wouldn't he play? Sick player. I don't even know. But I've seen some of his highlights, just being around SC. You're just being too humble on this podcast right now. No, dude. He played in the 80s.

Oh, we played in the 80s? Yeah. Get the fuck out of here, dude. Totally different game. Leather helmets and shit back then or whatever, dude. He had a solid NFL career, too. I don't know. It's tough, dude, because you didn't grow up with it and you don't know.

And doing these tiers, too, are difficult because you've got to take away the NFL part because you just have to talk about college. I know. Because you think Mark Sanchez, you have the butt fumble, right? You probably put a matter. I don't know. That's all I remember. That's all I know.

Yeah. that thing lived on the not top 10 forever right yeah months years i think it was retired look did you can't even see the film on this thing it's so grainy this looks like nfl blitz 2000 that's rodney peter quarterback right yeah okay i thought so looks like him that's a dime i mean you should have threw him in stride am i right i mean it was a dime dude you put you put rodney some dude they played in the 80s no offense to rodney i'm sure I'm positive if he doesn't watch this podcast so it doesn't matter what I say

but you never know you never know exactly but you're going to put him over you you're the third overall pick in 2018 Ronnie pizza baller look at him I don't know we're also watching NFL highlights

if you go back to SC highlights the way we're judging I guess the tier I want to go to USC so bad they were telling me before you got here yeah USC Texas or any SEC school besides Vanderbilt or Kentucky.

How does Michigan feel about that when you say stuff like that? Well, I say when I was in high school. And then I had like an up and down deal with Michigan towards the end of my career there. In terms of one of the boosters? No, I never got paid. Never got paid. I'm sure you did at Hollywood stuff.

There's so much, you never got money. You never got a free meal. You never went out to eat and they're like, hey, go ahead. You're lying like a rug, dude. It's okay. We're out of it. You can't get in trouble anymore. I actually never got paid.

Do you know guys in your team that did? For sure. Well, go ahead. What you guys? got. Use names, social security numbers. Let me hear the whole thing. Yeah, social security numbers.

I won't name any names, but I'll give social security numbers. There you go. Yeah. That's, I mean, there's lots of dudes. People get paid all the time. I mean, SEC, you know what I'm talking about over there, T? Yeah. Hey, it means more.

Allegedly. You think Tennessee's paying dudes out there? Yeah. You know what I mean, dude. Yeah, that's right, the NIL thing. We'll do locker room talking a little bit because they said, They wanted us to do. This is all get cuts up, too.

So it's going to sound way better. We'll do locker room talk in a second. So you get drafted to the Jets. What is that fan base like before you got traded? Before I got... So when I got drafted... Yeah, when I got drafted, a couple of years there. Yeah?

Great. They're love like that. I mean, they'll let you know when you fuck up. There's no question. But they just seem like they're like on par with the Eagles. Yeah. No, it's a very, I mean, they're devotional fans, man. Like, there would be, there'd be games where, you know,

where season's not going great. And they would, the stadium was, I mean, pretty, pretty solid. It was fun to play in, loud. Dude, it was a great fan base. Loyal. Loved them. But yeah, you know, things don't go well and they'll let you know about it. Yeah.

I respect, honestly. Your face, though. Yeah, that's true. You're playing a little vanilla on me right now, and I know there's a little something behind that they're probably pissed you off. Those Jets fans. I mean, yeah. You know, there's a lot that, you know, people would say stuff and, you know.

But again, like I said, like when you're in the social media world and people are talking so much shit online, you respect it so much more when people say it to your face. Yeah, there's only been a handful of times someone says something to my face. Right. But Jets fans really do it like that. All the time. Yeah.

It's got a bit tough. You're going to a little deli out there, grabbing a sandwich. There was a place. So I love, so I love this place in New Jersey. I'm not going to say the name. Yeah, no free shoutouts.

I love that. 100%. Yeah. And I don't live there anymore. But, no, great people. But there would be people that would, all the people that go there are Jets fan. Like, they have like the old school, like 80s,

Letterman jacket. Like, you know, I'm like, did you play for? the Jist? They're like, nah, I'm just a big fan. And so they're actually hard hats. Like, they're all the fireman head guys. So, no, but, like, great fans, but they would definitely be like, hey, what the

fuck are we doing? Like, can we, can we get the ball to, can we put Demarius Thomas out there more often? Like, when he catches the ball, he does something with it every time. Yeah. And it's like, hey, you're not wrong. Like, I hear you. But he's dealing with some hamstring issues right now. Right.

But they don't care about that at all. knows about. Yeah. What I mean? And so it's just stuff like that. But honestly, it was, it's fun to have those conversations. You know what I mean? Because they're like critiquing, like, what we should do and strategy and stuff like that.

The part that pisses me off is when people judge, like, my game, like, how I'm playing. Then I'm like, hey, bud, like, go strap it up. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I was like, you're a fan and I respect you being a fan. And you can talk all the shit you want. and I'm not going to do anything about it at the end of the day. But like, take it easy. Like, what if I was like, hey, like, the house you just worked on,

piece of shit. Like, you're so bad at tiling. Like, you should really go get another job. Really think about your profession. Yeah. You know, it's like sometimes you just want to say stuff like that, but you can't. Why not? I mean, yeah, I could.

Yeah, I'm not going to. No, I'm with you. I wouldn't say that either. Yeah. Yeah. It always sounds so good to think about because you're on that Twitter. You see somebody say something like...

Yeah. Like even now I feel like a coward. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Like that now I feel like a coward. Like that guy, that's sitting here listening to that podcast like that,

the Jets fans like, now I actually know what he wanted to say to me, but he didn't. Yeah. Oh, there's an actual tiler out there. No, I don't know. I don't know. Probably was.

Carpenter. Like, yeah. Yeah. Dude, that is a fucking tough deal when people talk shit like that. Because you think they think they can do it. You go out to a bar and people say something to you And they're like, hey, what?

Why don't you guys do this instead? It's like, well, why aren't you the coach? Why are you doing this whole thing? Because they can't. Love the fans. I don't want to feel like I'm being harder than he is. You're being so nice. I feel like I'm being a little too much of an asshole right now.

Yeah, it's like when we were talking about Max earlier. Yeah, yeah. I feel bad about that too. I owe him a written apology. I just kind of shitting on him right away. You're like, oh, he's a great guy. I'm like, yeah, I bet he is. Just playing both sides of the fence on you.

So when you started hearing trade rumors about everything, how did that process go for? you. Like, did they tell you, hey, we're thinking about trading you? Did you hear it from the media first? What was that whole process like? Um, they were, uh, they were just like, hey, we got to figure some stuff out. Um, when I was leaving, this is exit interview, like, right at the season. So they don't know anything. Um, they might know what they want to do, but they don't know exactly how they're going to do it. So they just tell me, hey, we're going to, we're going to look at, you know, people in the draft and, uh, free agents and like, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we're going to do it. And, we're

will be in touch. And so right, right when they said that, I was like, okay, like, it's a wrap. So. And how'd that make you feel when you heard all that? I was just like, you know, I think you guys are making a mistake, obviously. You told them that? Yeah, for sure. Fuck yeah, dude. Nice work. But like, you know, at the end of the day, it's, it's not, you know, that's not my call. So if, you know, they don't think I'm the guy for them, then, you know, it is what it is. But, so I just kind of reached out to my agent. I was just like, hey, like, I'm not going to pay attention. I'm going to, like, not pay attention. I'm going to, like, not pay attention to social media at all. Just like, let me know if what happens. Like, I was like,

if you want to like tell me rumors, like I'm fine with that, like rumors that are real, not just like bullshit. So yeah. So I was just like, let me know if anything changes. And then got a call. I don't even know when, but I think it was a little bit before the draft. And they were like, yeah, we're going to, or it was from my agent, first of all. Literally it was crazy. So my agent, calls me, he's like, hey, like, the Panthers are trading for you. It's going to come out here in a second. And, like, right as he's saying that, my phone rings, they get a call from Joe Douglas, the GM, with the Jess.

I was like, hey, like, my, the GM's calling me. I got to pick this up real quick. And so Joe called me and very respectful. Just pulled me straight up what the deal was. And I was like, all right, you know, sounds good. No, no, thank you, nothing. You're just like, all right, see you? No, he was like, hey, we appreciate.

everything you've done for the organization ever since you've gotten here but we're gonna you know move in a different direction. Yeah. And yeah. So when we were talking about how like we like to get in front of things, like when

somebody knows something that you don't or you know that somebody knows something when you're going through that process when you talk to the team and they say hey, we'll let you know how everything goes. And then between that and before the draft you get traded how are you like how are you processing those emotions of like wondering

because you know you're not looking at social media, but at the same time, you know there's stuff out there saying X, Y, and Z. Because, I mean, it's a huge media market with the Jets. People talk about them all the time. Yeah, I mean, it's tough, dude, because, like, you... Yeah, what are we doing? I know.

I'm just kidding. Fucking clown horn going off. Just I'm a very popular guy. Yeah. I was joking, by the way. I know you weren't. Don't worry. Hey, it's all good.

Taylor's like, I'm going to kill this guy. Guys, I fuck this, dude, man. Get him out of here. No, but it was weird because, like, you know, I have that conversation, the exit interview, and then I just go about, you know, my business as usual. And I'm like, because we, they hired Robert Sala, the new coach for the Jets. And I'm talking to the OC like Michael Flore and Matt's brother. And then Greg Knapp, you know, got rest of soul.

But, I mean, we were in conversation for, you know, up until I got tried. basically about the offense, what we're going to do that next year. Yeah, so when they're calling you talking about what they're going to do, were you like, oh, I'm safe? Um, no, I mean, because I knew, you know, like I said in the exit interview, I was like, okay, I feel like these guys are leaning, you know, in a different direction. So I always knew that deep down, but, you know, like anything I do, I was just like, I'm just going to, you know, put everything I got into learning this new offense.

And if it works out, it doesn't, you know, if it works out, it does, if it doesn't, it doesn't. Yeah. And that was just kind of my mindset going into it. I was like, I might as well like keep myself busy, learn the offense and work out and do all the normal things that I do. And, you know, because the worst thing is like sitting on something, you know, just sucks. Just sitting, you know, waiting to see what happens. It's like, just keep yourself busy. That's how I kind of deal with stuff like that, honestly. Yeah, my plow through right in the middle guy. I got to worry about and figure it out. I got to, I had to know what the hell is going on in my life. Yeah. But I respect that, too, though. I respect what you're talking about. Yeah.

Now look at us back on the same page. 100%. You insulted my phone and me. And now look at us. We're back to being best friends again. Just so popular. I love it. It's so popular.

I have three text messages. I think they're all from my wife. So you get traded to the Panthers. The GM calls you and he says, hey, appreciate everything you done, blah, blah, blah. What is the next pro? What is it like when you're getting traded? Like, what is that? How does that work?

Do you go immediately to Carolina? Yep. To figure it all out? Yep. So obviously talk to the GM, talk to Coach Rule. Went to Carolina. met everyone. Met there were probably like four or five players that were actually there training.

So met some of the guys. Talked some of the guys on social media through text. Had a dinner with some of the guys as well with like GM owner, head coach, a few other players that were there that were in town during the offseason. And I was just there for a couple days, you know, did the whole media thing, you know, sitting in front of the locker, putting the jersey on. And, yeah, and I flew back home and started learning the offense. Nice.

And so you live in California in the off season? God, it's a beautiful time. It's great. Beautiful time being there. Great. Bought a place four years ago. Redid it through my first season while I was in New York and then came back and been loving it for the last three years. That's awesome.

So this year you start off, you start off 3 and O. Things are going great. You get injured week nine, correct? Yeah, that's what it said. I don't know. I think that's what it said. I think that's what it's said. Yeah, we do have notes up here.

Cam Newton comes in and takes a spot or whatever. Like, what was that process like with Cam coming back? And he scores a touchdown. I'm back doing all that shit. Cam is as obnoxious as he seems. Cam is the best. I take it back. I think he is awesome as he seems.

Best, dude. No, honestly, I'm being dead serious. He's like so hard on us back in the day, dude, when he was originally with the Panthers. Yeah. God, I think they won the Super Bowl or went to the Super Bowl that year. That was the year. I was on Wesley Woodard and Avery Williams

He was doing the dance And then Avery came up and got in his face And he did it to him again I know Avery yeah God yeah Avery's a great dude But ever since then I was like man Fuck that dude Camman Just flexing on everybody

Guys got charisma like no one's ever seen them Personality like you've never seen in your life So when you get injured and they bring Camman What's your thought You know I was just like Okay like see what the deal is Like this is like middle of the season I'm just trying to get healthy

honestly and I was just like all right like you know and yeah he was a great dude great guy to have in the QB room great got to just have a round in general because his energy is unmatched and then yeah and then I come back and play and he's a great guy like I said just a great guy to have a practice great got to have on your team I literally have nothing bad to say about Cam is he like is he the way he he seems on media always? No. He's not always that high up high energy.

No, I mean, there's, you know, just like anyone else, he's like, he's just going to be quiet and, like, do his work and sit in a QB room, watch tape, take notes. He's going to, like, be in the training room with his headphones on and the hot tub headphones on, like just chilling with a towel around his net. You know, it's like, he's a normal dude. Yeah. But, you know, when he gets out to practice, when he getting ready for games. and there's times, you know, in the locker room and stuff where he gets, he gets very charismatic and very high energy and it's awesome. But yeah, he's just, he's just a natural born leader.

Yeah. He's just, he got, he has that energy. And, yeah, all, I mean, just the things that I've learned from him in terms of, because he's dealt with a ton of stuff. A lot of, a lot of stuff. A lot of ups and downs in his career and the way that he's hearing. handled it and the way that he talks about how he's handled it. Just so much respect.

And yeah, it's a great dude. He was MVP one year. And then a couple years later, it's like, it's not going the way he wants it to. And he had trouble finding a job for a little bit. So to go through that kind of adversity. And he just seems like every time he gets on a team or doesn't he's the same dude over and over again. You got to respect that. Oh, yeah.

Got to respect that. So this year, I know you don't read a lot of stuff, but a lot of people are talking about whether the Panthers draft the guy, whether they were in the Deshawn Watson talk for a little bit of trading for the quarterback. Like, what is, you obviously, like you say, you don't look at the social media stuff, which I'm not sure I 100% believe yet.

I see some stuff every round and then, but I really try not to pay attention to it. Yeah. I don't even know if I try not to pay, it's just that I don't. Yeah, I mean, because it was so, it was, you know, New York was on another level. So it was like, you know, I kind of figured out how to handle it there.

And I was like kind of going back and forth, you know, between my rookie, my first year and my third year, it was like I figured out how to best handle it for myself. Yeah, it was just not really paying attention to it. So that's why I've handled it. And I've kind of done the same thing this off season where, like, I'm just trying to learn Coach McAdoo's system. And that's where I'm at. You know what I mean? Yeah.

So. Do you get nervous when the drafts? coming up or anything like that with possibilities of them drafting a quarterback at six or it's just it's it's literally like this is a lot harder questions that I usually ask on this thing I apologize this is this is good because no one to be honest no one ever asked me these questions because they're you know whether they're afraid or they don't they don't want to bring it up you know just in normal everyday conversation yeah so no this is truly like the first time I've ever answered questions like this um but dude it's like honestly whatever happens I'm prepared

for it. And, you know, at the end of the day, someone's got to answer for it, whether it's, you know, whoever it is. So the GM, coach, whatever, if something happens like that, then it's like, all right, I'm going to see what they have to say, and that's about it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying, but it's got, for me, it'd be like a tough, that'd be a tough thing to kind of, to feel and knowing when you're, when you're a quarterback, because you know, like, well, it's the Baker thing. It's, yeah, it's the Baker thing. And it's, it's understanding you're like trying to understand your thought process of like how you're not looking at, you're not paying attention it, you're just focused on what you're trying to do,

which is be a great quarterback. The only issue is like, if they, so they do draft a guy at six, you got, you know how the, you know how the politics of the NFL work, you know, that guy from Liberty, whatever his name is. If they, let's say they draft him, you got to sit there and know that if you guys play well in camp, you might start the beginning, but at some point in time, the owner, the GM is going to start telling the head coach, we got to get our first round pick to play.

You know? And so that's got to, that's got to ruffle some feathers on the inside a little bit. It's got to be tough to think that. I'll give you an example. So in 2000, ego. A little shot to the ego. Yeah, it is a shot to the ego.

In 2016, we had the number one overall pick. And John Robinson was the new GM. And everybody that, all the analysts, the experts were saying that we need to draft a guy number one overall, offensive tackle and move me to right tackle. And so at that point, I won't play right tackle. It's nothing against right tackles.

It's just I'm a left tackle and that's what I'm going to play. And if they say if to play right tackle, I'm out of here. You know, that's just how I work. And so I meet with John a couple weeks. It's like the middle of April or something like that. He's asked me like how I feel about all this whole thing. And I kind of just tell them, I was like, you know, the first overall picks a lot of money to pay for a right tackle because I'm a left tackle.

Right. We go through a couple weeks of OTAs and they end up trading the pickaway. You know what I'm saying? So like that, for me, that's like I said, anything that comes to me, I want to barrel through it so people know how I fear. I don't leave anything up to, I wonder what he was thinking. You know exactly how I'm feeling and stuff like that. So just when the draft is coming, it's got to be a hard feeling or wondering what is the possibility.

It's nothing you can control, truly. But the thought of it coming up is it's got to be a difficult. thing at times. For sure. Yeah. I mean, it truly is, and this is kind of where you're not going to believe what I say, but just bear with me. I'll be ready. Yeah. It truly is like, whatever happens, happens. Because that's, at the end of the day, like, it's out of my control. Yeah. And I know that. And so I have enough security in myself to where I can be like, I know I'm a good quarterback. I know I can be a good quarterback in this league. I've proved it. Um, And I know there's a team if, you know, something happens that would want me.

Yeah. So. I feel like the emotional maturity to handle like that is impressive. Like I think I go about, I'm not saying the way I do things is a mature way because I don't. I think it's like it can be a little reckless sometimes. And for you to have the head on your shoulders you do as a quarterback that you would want. Yeah.

I think it's all about who you surround yourself with too. That's how I've always thought. Like my parents, my family, my friends that I have back home, like all my high school buddies are all my best friends. So, you know, obviously there's guys in college that I, you know, I'm boys with two, but, um, like I'm best friend. I have like six or seven best friends in high school that were kind of with me before all this shit started happening.

So, um, I just kind of roll with them and, you know, if I start getting a big head, then they let me know about it. That's impressive. So, you know, yeah, that's pretty much it. Having boys like that around you is really special to have. Yeah. Definitely. people that'll keep in your place for sure.

The locker room talk segment is the last thing I promise. Okay, so the whole point of the locker room segment, it's a new thing we started last week. We started with Fred Taylor. And it's basically like something like you're sitting with the boys in the locker room, a story, you know, that it's off the field, on the field that you don't usually talk about with the mainstream media. We're definitely not the mainstream media.

But with media type of people. We're not trying to be mainstream. We're definitely not trying to be mainstream. Buttoned up is not our forte. Yeah. But as far as locker room talk... No one's going to listen to this. No, we have millions of viewers.

Millions. We're not in mainstream. You know what I'm saying? We're not the ESPNs. Okay. I feel like, yeah. I don't know if I can even say this. It's kind of a weird way to segue like a segment too.

Like just to ask, hey, tell us a cool story. Right. You know? It's kind of tough. No, it's kind of funny. Is ESPN even, I don't know. Like, is TV mainstream media now? Like, is that?

I mean, maybe it can really is, but. like podcasts and YouTube are starting to become a little more. It's definitely transitioning quite a bit. Because I know, like, I'll sit on YouTube for hours, you know, and not watch a lick of TV. So maybe I'm just different. Yeah, at ESPN, they let off like 100, laid off like 100 people a couple years ago.

And it's, I mean, it's tough. Shout out all the grinders out there in the mainstream media, though, dude. Shout out you guys. But the podcast, like you see a Pat McAfee's doing. I think he's the most watched dude of all the places, right? Guys making, I would say, close to $100 million a year right now. I mean, Rogan? Yeah, Rogan's out there too.

But he's not, I mean, he's not sports, but yeah, he crushed CNN and NBC. We had Brandon Schaub on here. And they were saying, like, all those mainstream news medias take like a week, two weeks to just gain one of his episodes. And he's putting out three of those a week. 13 million views. Talking. Just talking. He's, dude, he's incredible at having conversations with people, too.

Yeah. Incredible. Could you have a four-hour conversation? Yeah, I think I could. You could, yeah. Well, it's usually, the conversation usually goes off of who you're talking about. talking to, right? Like if, for sure. If Joe's on here, he's a, he's an excellent speaker. Yeah. He keeps things flowing and he loves talking. So I don't think that'd be an issue at all.

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but I did it jump to my head one more time. Do it, love it, live it, laugh, just like that own little brand says. Let's jump back into Sam Donald. What is this? Not bad. Clown salary. Oh, yeah.

Hey, listen, you got to be a clown out here. 33K to 81K. This podcast is for clowns, dude. You guys are making bank out there, dude. Enjoy this podcast. Lockroom talk. What kind of story do you got for us that's going to bless the bus? You mean besides all the dudes running around naked in the locker room?

Yes. Yeah, we can talk about it if you peek at meat too in a second. That's a big part of our thing, too. For riffs. Rifts, only. No, I'm going to lock eyes with that kind of guy. Are you? Yeah, I think I've just moved on to not caring anymore.

Hey, you got kids, right? Yeah, I got kids. Okay. I don't know what that has to do with anything. Oh, yes, wife and kids. You know what I mean? That's the best cover-up I've ever had in my entire life. It's outstanding.

Yeah. Oh, man. Locker room story. I don't know if it's not like a locker room story, but it's happened after the Rose Bowl game. We were in the Rose Bowl and school's on winter break. And so, so no one. ones at school. And so we're like, what do we do? Like, literally, I'm like, didn't have a planned out, like, nothing. Just won the Rose Bowl. Don't know what to do. Just won the Rose Bowl. Like,

what do we do? You know, uh, can't go out, you know, got my IDs taken away. If that's not allowed to, to be on this, we can take that out, I'm sure. Yeah, we won't, but all right. Yeah. I'm just kidding. Got my, got my IDs taken away. Uh, and so I was like, 19, I think, at the time. And so I literally was like, what do we do? So we go back an hour south down to my hometown and I literally all those guys I mentioned, we just had a time. We had a time at my buddy's house who had a bunch of people over. He had a sick backyard, jacuzzi, all that stuff.

So all the stuff you enjoy when you're 19 years old. So we had a few drinks and we ended up thinking it was a good idea to DM Snoop Dog. Okay. Because he wasn't, you know, he wasn't. involved with USC anymore. And I was like, dude, he'd for sure respond. All my buddies were, like, hyping me up. Like, dude, you just won the Rose Bowl.

Like, you should be able to talk to him. And to this day, like, seven years, however long it is, years later, no response. Snoop hasn't said a word. Nothing. He's a SC guy. That is a tough feel. It cut to the core. I really thought that was going to go to, like, he and he hit us up.

And we went to his house. We went to his house. Yeah. Yeah. Did he read it? So sorry for everyone listening. That was a tough story. The story was stupid dog is good.

Did he... Anything of a snoop, yeah. But, uh, nothing, dude. Not a... Didn't read it or anything. I don't know. He was probably like, who are these fucking kids? Like, just recording videos, like...

Send him whatever. Snoop a loop. Yeah, just like... Snoop a loop. Dumb stuff. But, uh... These dumb ass crackers. Just, yeah, that's probably what he said.

Uh, but yeah, it was just like, send him a video and he just never responded. And I was pretty devastated. Yeah, that's got to be tough when you put yourself out there. 100% Especially when you tell the boys Yeah, you probably respond And they're like, oh, you for sure would You should do it.

It wasn't even my idea. It was like one of my boys' idea. Yeah. And I was just like A couple hours go by and it's like, oh, it's not looking good for Sammy. Yeah, right. That was kind of like where it came from

was like we wanted something to go do. You know, an Uber up to L.A. probably wouldn't be super cheap. But we're going to do it if you're like. It was like, yeah, like come out with the boys. You know, it'd be a good time. And just never responded. Parting with Snoop, Doug, it would be all the time.

Would have been sick. You'd be so high. Yeah. Regardless of whether you wanted to or not. Right. Yeah. Just second hand. Just second hand.

Just stoned out of your mind. 100%. You think it'd be harder to smoke with Snoop Dog or Willie Nelson? Willie Nelson. You think it'd be harder? Mm-hmm. Well, elaborate. Why do you think?

I think there was a story that came out of Willie Nelson smoking. It was like Snoop and Wiz Khalifa under the bus. No shit. Yeah. Under the bus. There you go. Yeah. I think Toby Keith wrote a song about he'll never

smoke weed with Willie Nelson again. Yeah. He was like that. I don't know. That's what I heard. I think I heard that. Maybe it was flipped, but I'm pretty sure it was Willie Nelson. And those two, Wiz Khalifa and Snoop Dog, they all like, that's the thing.

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