Bussin' With The Boys - Shawne Merriman Testing Positive for PED's + The 'Lights Out' Legacy With The Chargers

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

Recorded: November 04, 2024 San Diego Chargers Defensive Legend Shawne Merriman joins Will Compton and Taylor Lewan for Episode 301 of Bussin' with the Boys! Shawne Merriman discusses his time at Maryland University, and the Buffalo Bills. Merriman then dives into his journey from a tough upbringing to becoming one of the most feared pass rushers in the league. He shares stories from his days with the San Diego Chargers, including his signature "Lights Out" sack dance, iconic clashes with NFL legends, Jason Taylor, Lorenzo Neal and Phillip Rivers to name a few. As well as what it took to play at an elite level from a mental perspective. But it’s not all football; Merriman opens up about his early retirement due to injuries, the mental and physical toll of the game, and how he's channeled his energy into new ventures, from launching his "Lights Out" brand to his passion for MMA. He talks about the challenges and rewards of transitioning to life after the NFL, the lessons he learned on and off the field, and why giving back through his Lights Out Foundation means so much to him. Light Out Extreme Fighting and Lights Out TV Streaming Platform are also making huge moves in 2024 & 2025 to establish themselves in the Digital Media Sports Industry. Make sure to like, subscribe and please do us a favor and have yourself a day boys! Big O's and Tiny X's TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 2:39 Be One Of The Boys, Click The Button 4:53 The Boy's Got Will 18:46 CFB R 37:56 NFL Recap 45:59 Jason Kelce Reaction 59:29 SHAWNE MERRIMAN INTERVIEW STARTS 1:00:09 Shawne Checked Will On Instagram 1:01:46 How "Light's Out" Came To Be 1:05:30 Why Maryland? 1:08:43 Has Always Has The Entrepreneurial Spirit 1:09:56 When He Knew He Was Going To The NFL 1:11:50 Why Was Football Such An Escape? 1:14:44 Relationship Change After Making Money/His Relationship With His Dad 1:19:01 Why Did He Retire So Early? 1:20:47 Expectations For A First Rounder 1:26:36 "We Were The Best Team That Never Won Anything" 1:33:38 Rookie Hazing 1:42:28 Going From East Coast To West Coast 1:50:12 Transitioning Into The NFL 1:53:49 Getting Suspended For PEDs 2:10:36 Was He A Big Fighter? 2:13:14 Favorite Teammate Of All Time? 2:18:51 The Difference In All Of His Quarterbacks 2:19:53 From Beaches Of San Diego To The Cold Of Buffalo 2:32:11 Realizing He Was Mortal In The League 2:34:54 Why MMA? 2:42:21 Lights Out Entertainment 2:55:14 How To Compete Against The UFC 2:56:07 Charitable Work/Anti-Bullying Campaign 2:57:36 Advice To Kids 3:02:19 Twisted QOTW 3:05:57 Would He Ever Get Into Fighting? 3:11:22 Tier Talk - Best CelebrationsFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's okay. if anybody can do that, that's you, Shirm. And then finally, one last thing on housekeeping, Wednesdays, the locker room. Now we're going to brush over a couple things. Thursdays. It is. We record on Wednesday. Excuse me.

Thursday, 6 a.m. central time. The locker room is coming out. That is when we get into the details of what happened this past week. What we're going to think is going to happen in the following week in the NFL and college football world. We got parlays. We got picks. We got anytime touchdown guys. And if you want to, you can.

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Talk a little ball. We talk a little ball. It's nice. It's very nice. I hope you guys come and enjoy. Obviously, Delaney Walker's there as well. Let's get into it, boys. What do we want to talk about first?

The weekend? Is that all the housekeeping stuff we need to talk about? What do you want to talk about? I'm just sitting. I feel like I'm sitting on this bus. Yeah. Surrounded by the enemy. Do you want to tell people what you're talking about?

Yeah, a vlog dropped last Thursday on Halloween of all the boys. of all the boys, all of Buss and T. P. in my house. T. P. and the boy will. How did that make you feel? T.P. and A, in the game of T.P. And in the game of Mischief Night, I respect it.

Okay. I'm a fan of Mischief Night. Shout out Rocket Power. Yeah, shout out Rocket Power. It was the in-between that's got me bothered. It's got me rattled. The in-between being Wednesday was when we did T.P. You're talking about Thursday.

Thursday before 6 p.m. Yeah, when I, when I, because I was in Chicago. I flew to Chicago Wednesday night, woke up Thursday morning. The neighbor group chat hit the chat saying like, hey, do you guys have any extra toilet paper? We're out right now with a photo of our house being our tree being tepeeed. I saw that so I'm going back and forth a little bit in the neighbor group chat. I'm thinking in my head, my neighbors got me.

Like I'm thinking it's my neighbors. Like I'm ready to I'm ready to absolutely destroy their yard. JP reaches out. I'm thinking we'll get the boys together. I'll get all busing. together and we'll just absolutely dominate my neighbors because we're shooting the pro football show

early so I could get back for Halloween and it wasn't until on the way to the airport in my Uber to where I'm realizing oh shit maybe it wasn't my neighbors because my wife Charles she's like hey you've been you haven't really said a whole lot about the TV I'm like what do you mean I mean we kind of know who it is it's our neighbors

right and she's like no it wasn't them they just saw it first and then I'm like oh shit Yeah, I guess you're right. I guess you're right. I guess all suspects are open here. I'm thinking to myself, obviously, I've posted from my house before.

It could be a fan that's drove by because people have seen me out in the yard, playing with Waffle, playing with the fam, shouted out, the boy, the boy. And could be them. Or it could be my own guys. Yeah. My own guys, I'm thinking enemy number one,

fair law. Fair statement. I'm saying that's enemy number one. And from there, I'm thinking, all right, who else on the bus? Who else on the squad helped him out? I'm sure he didn't do it. Solo Dolo.

So I come in. I land at like 130. Come straight to the bus. We had to shoot the Nebraska hype video. And I just start pressing everybody. I'm working with JP at first. Thought I was working with JP at first. Which is wild.

He's using, you know. I got got got. I got. At the end of the day, at the end of the day, I get over the TP part. I don't forget. I don't forget who lied to my face. I don't forget who lied to my face.

Point them out. All of them. Everybody. Who didn't lie to you? Me. Yeah, but you were, you were like, yo, I'm ready to go wherever you need me.

I'm just like, I'm texting Taylor like, I'm just disappointed because I'm thinking of my head, like it's got to be Taylor. I don't know how yet. There's a lot of lying that went on. And it was, that's the hardest part.

Yeah. That's the hardest part. Right. Just knowing that you're essentially alone right now. Yeah, yeah, knowing that there's nobody to trust. I get my ass absolutely beat by the UCLA Bruins on Saturday. And you're just like, I got nobody right now. I got nothing to root for.

I'm just a whip dog. I'm a whip dog. I see South Carolina win. I want to say congratulations to JP, but I don't want to say congratulations. He texted you? No, I didn't text. He tried texting me about Nebraska. He's like, hey, you know, this and that.

I just look at it. I put my phone down. Sherm, I feel shirm. He's texting me every now and then. I can tell he's trying to feel out where my. my brain's at. Yeah. But I just thumbs up him.

I say sounds good. Dude, Will and I. We can talk work. I can root for the boys. We can talk work. I can separate the two. But I, before I walked out of that building on Thursday,

when I knew, I knew the entire team got me. I looked everybody in the face. I said, is there anything you guys want to tell me before I walk out of here? Because this will have implications. We, personally.

Personally. Will and I said no. Will and I went to a lunch on Wednesday. And then we obviously did what we did. A big lunch. A big lunch. Tori Taylor and I, we sat in my truck and we had a great heart to heart.

A great heart to heart talk. Like one, you look back on you're like, man, top five probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then, friendship seemed strong. Wednesday night, we did what we did. And literally Thursday, I'm thinking of myself. Yeah, which we didn't unpack that in a second. Then Friday morning at what, 9.30?

Yeah, we have a breakfast. We have a breakfast to expand on that Wednesday conversation. We have to have a big conversation. Right. So we have a Friday breakfast. And I have not spoke to Will about this. Literally, once the vlog comes out, we don't even speak to where I'm thinking to myself.

He sends me a text with happy Halloween with a smiley devil face. The smiley devil face. I just write back, happy Halloween. Yeah, so I don't even know. I think I'm about to show up to this breakfast by myself. Will and I, I walk into stay golden. Late. Late for the meeting.

Yeah, late for the breakfast. We see each other, we smile, and then obviously business faces. And we spent 60% of that breakfast just talking about all the things that transpired Thursday afternoon when he was interrogating all of you. And what went through his head that he kind of basically explained a little bit. Now, well, go ahead, Sherm. Hey, boss man, Mr. Compton. A quick question.

We heard tell that there was possibly a rat amongst us. Somebody that gave you a little intel. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That happened. I mean, again, when I left on Thursday, I knew that a vlog was coming out. I didn't know what time it was.

And I knew that it was everybody in the building that got me. Who was the rat? I don't know. You was fucking ratting some people out in a way as well. You was ratting too. Yeah, I was going to say, Jesus. I was ratting.

I was talking about the scope of the game and everything else. Like, you was even alluding to shit as well. You alluded to the OGs on the bus. Tori in my brain then I saw I'm like I'm thinking like oh damn JPs involved on this

because he's been trying to ally me the entire morning Is going the way you wanted Sheram Don't know when he thought to ask this question Do not let him split us up Do not let him split us up There was one rat

There was one rat But still You were bullshitting too Yeah You're like hey Who's not here right now I was like well Taylor's not here But he's never really here

Okay hold on On Thursday. On Thursday. On Thursday. On Thursday. On Thursday. Yeah, yeah. All Thursday.

Yeah. And I'm like, no, I got you. But he's never here. I got you. But I'm thinking Taylor's involved in this. I already understand that. I'm thinking who else? And you're trying to get me to pay you when I've already given you.

Which is fucking crazy. When I've given you a couple weeks. A couple weeks ago. Unexensive grill that I have load into your truck. And I'm thinking, you want to give you more when I feel like I, giving you enough. So he's like, you know, let me be your lead. A little snake, Asher.

He's like, let me be your lead. That is crazy. He's like, I'll just put you on the sin. I'll put you on the sin. He's like, hey, I don't think Coop and Jared would do it. He's like, I think you need to look at the OGs, the back of the bus. Who would lead that? Who would lead that charge?

So I go one by one on my, Garrett. He's like, I don't know. You think Garrett would lead? You think Gary would lead it? Like Jack? He's like, you think Jack out of that crew back there? You think he would lead it? I didn't say that.

And then I'm like, I think I have an idea who would lead it. But yeah, you was fucking... Nitch. You said when you left Thursday, you knew. So someone had to tell you. No one told me. No one told me. Who said it then?

If I'm lying, who said it? I heard that demon snitch on the boys. Who'd you hear that from? For those who don't know who demon is, go and say his full name. Jared B. who pulled the gun if you watched the vlog he's the one who had a gun on oh whoa whoa jerry what are you doing hey put that thing back in the car i heard gun slinging beeman aka demon

snitched here we are again who'd you hear it from i have my sources a little bit of a little bit of scratch i can put you in the right direction sure you can't blackmail your bosses is that blackmail no you're trying to get more reward from a bro there's nothing to be rewarded from that's not blackmail Yeah, the info's out there. That's a good point. That's a good point.

The blog is out. So who said, who said that Jared Radd it? Damon. Who? Demon told me. Demon radden on himself. See what's happening here, boys, is we are slowly getting torn apart. This might be the thing that ends busting with the boys.

Nobody told me. You said you knew when you left Thursday. Yes, I knew. Yeah, but bro, he texted me Thursday after a noon and said, I'm disappointed. Wait, wait, wait, wait. And that's when I called JP and I was like, what the fuck happened? What was that? He snitched without snitching.

How did he do that? I can't tell you. Listen, I'm the one surrounded by all you guys. Why would I, why would I say anything to help you out? Boys, we know what we have to do. We got to get beaming. We got to end beaming. We got to blow up his house or something.

Oh, he's an apartment. We got to take his cat. We got to steal his cat. Mr. Pumpernickle, what's his dog? What's his cat's name? Ms. Biscuits. Just a man that lives by himself with a cat. We're taking that cat.

We're taking that cat. Does he have a girlfriend? Yeah. Is it his girlfriend's cat? He says that he says they got it together, but it's at his place. No, man. No.

You don't get a cat together with someone you don't live with. A hundred percent. You get a cat. Damn, I did. I almost took a photo of it the other day because I'd go to PetSmart. I was kind of banged up on a couple cans, and I'm just standing in line with cat food in my hand. This dude in front of me is a cart with like three big ass bags of dog food.

Looks back at me and kind of like smirked. And then just stayed back in line like, God damn it. Yeah, dude, I don't control my world. I will tell you guys right now. I do not. When I go home, I'm a minority. I get picked on. I get beat up.

Low-tee household. Very low-tee household. So that's what I'm fucking dealing with. We all got problems, Will. Yeah, you deal with a little bit of TP. I'm saying, well, you had, up until that point, you had an ally outside of your household. And I would think to myself, like,

I can count on Will. What a loyal, like, what an incredible friend. And I'm going to go in TPE's house while he's gone. This is the same incredible friend that said, I can't wait for Michigan's downfall last year. Lie about it. Lie, wouldn't I lie to you? I said it to your face, though.

But when did I lie to you? You knew where I stood. When did I lie to you? What are you talking about? Are you going to talk about the TP? When you're saying, oh, is this the part where you blame me for TP in your house? Will, I didn't do it wherever you need me tonight. Let me double check those texts.

I thought I didn't say I didn't do it. Well, because part of me sits there. The damage is already done and I don't want to have to ask the question because I don't want you to lie to me through text. Let's see. Will Compton. Just, he sends a gift. Black guy doing this A GIF

Will, what do you want? How can I help you? Text me back. Just disappointed. L.O.L. and what? Is this the part where you start blaming for the TP?

We still go for state gold tomorrow. And then no response. I didn't say nothing about I did it or didn't do it. You knew I fucking did it. The fact that your brain went to my neighbor did it is just crazy. You should have seen that photo and immediately thought to yourself, Taylor. Well, because I woke up in the morning. My phone was, there was already text suit.

So I kind of look, you know, I'm kind of like, I need to get in the shower. I need to go get over to HQ to do the pro football football show. And so I'm just thinking that, you know, my neighbors had fun and just got the solo tree. Because they're like, hey, is there any more, you guys have any more TP? We ran out. And they were the ones who sent the first picture. So I'm just thinking like they must have just had fun less. Right.

So that's why I thought that I wasn't thinking to myself like somebody, you know, got me until I realized like, oh, damn, maybe it goes beyond the neighbors. Like, damn. I want you guys in the back of the bus to know that I've already hired security. I have security at my house at night every night from here on out. I'm not going to come by the house sometime. Find out, Mitch. Whoa, whoa, aren't you guys on the same team?

No. You, bro, you know, this was, this was nine individuals. This was nine individuals working as one for one night. Now we know. We had to get a vlog out. Yeah, we had to get a vlog out. What's next? Who's next?

Sad I couldn't be part of it. Sad I couldn't be part of it. Maybe that's part of it as well. But I'm not going to get revenge. You don't got to worry about that. Yeah, whatever. You know what they say about revenge? On the journey to revenge, start by digging two graves, one for your enemy and another for yourself.

I disagree with that statement. Marcus Aurelius, the best revenge is to be unlike the person who injured you. Frank Sinatra, the best revenge is massive success. Best revenge is Sir Cove. James Bond. just saying, I just want guys to know, disappointed, I'm hurt, and I won't forget. Let's continue the hurt.

What happened with UCLA and Nebraska this weekend? Dog, I don't know, man. It was an off day for Rayola. Off day. Yeah. Just tough. You know, you take Ohio State into the fourth quarter and you'd think you're not going to allow a two and five team

to come in to Memorial. and beat you. Right. And handle you kind of like to handle this. We came on late, but again, it's like, even if we would have won that game,

you know, the speech in the locker room is like, guys, we got to get rolling sooner. We can't wait until the second half to get, to get shit going on. You got to start the fight.

Yeah. You got to start the fight. Because even coming out of the second half, you throw, we throw a pick six. Yeah, man. It sucks, man.

I don't know. I don't have, I don't have words for the, for the fan base. I do know we're sitting at five and four right now with a buy week and three winnable games. UCLA was a winnable game for us. I think everybody before the year started,

you chalk Ohio State up as a loss. Whether or not we felt like we had a shot, whatever it is, when you're just trying to be as unbiased as possible as out, okay, we could see us dropping this game in Columbus after a bye week. Right. Or after them having a buy week. And you look at these next four, I think before the year you would have thought USC would be a good team.

They're not a very good team. You'd think Wisconsin would be a, a lot stronger than they are. I think they're a winnable game as well. And obviously I was a, they can be tough. Like that's a battle for the border. But you have three winnable games. We're in the same spot where we won five last year.

We were sitting there again at, what, five and four, five and three. And then we lose out. Yeah. We ended up five and seven. Yeah. And we're sitting here again, five and four. You have three winnable games and you don't want to fucking end up. Five and seven.

Don't even say. it. I'm saying, but that's like the reality. That's the reality. Think what the positives. That sucks. Well, the positive is. You could be eight and four. Yeah, the positive we can be eight and four,

but I'm not inside the building. I'm not inside the locker room. I'm not inside those kids' minds. Like, I know you sit there and you can win out and, you know, end it on a good note, go bowling. Again, we have the opportunity to be eligible for a bowl game with a win over UCLA.

We still do each game. but we got to figure it out we can win games it's just you've got to fucking put the product out there yeah man I get it I know the pain I'm dealing with the team with the same record

yeah but you know the same record like we're obviously different programs right now what do you mean we've had a come on man we have the same record I know but you guys you guys won a national title last year

like everybody knew this would be kind of a rebuild year for you guys. Do we think it was going to be this? I don't think it was going to be this. Vegas didn't think so. Vegas has a nine and a half wins. Was it nine and a half? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't think I imagined Michigan being in a spot that you guys are in right now. I knew that there would be a rebuild. Like you guys could have probably been like a nine and three, ten and two tight team is what I was thinking before the year started. With it coming down to probably the Ohio State game at the end of the year. No, I absolutely did not think. you guys would be in the spot that you're in now to me it's with michigan if we just had a more of a consistent play at quarterback we're in a much much better position right now now you i don't

know who we have we got indiana in the end of this week that's a tough ball club yeah indian that's a fucking ridiculous ball club then after that you've got uh northwestern winnable and then ohio state at the end of the year and i'm telling you dude you just throw records at the window when it comes to these kind of rivalries. You see Ohio State with Nebraska last week. For sure. Like Ohio State's liable to be in close games that they shouldn't be in. And Michigan mentally has them right now.

Right. Mentally has them. So. And the mentality plays because you look at the, you look at this past week ago with Ohio State Penn State. Yeah. It's like Penn State's, I mean, they got the roster to compete and. And they all know with the two yard line and they're in the same play three times in a row. That's just wild.

people already saying James Franklin we got to get rid of this guy team is consistently ranked in the top 10 every single year and then people are calling for his head I want to say a crazy stat that I saw is that Penn State is like 1 in 22 since 2000

and yeah since 2000 with James Franklin he's now 1 in 13 since James Franklin's been there top five teams you're saying right yeah yeah versus AP top 5 which is it's a horrible feeling to be in that sort of position Penn State you have one and 22

against top five teams since 2000. That's just fucking tough. And that game was winnable. Very winnable. Their offensive scores in the question. Which is crazy. I know, man. Through a pick six.

Riffs are always sussing the fucking Big Ten, dude. Riffs just need to fucking calm down a little bit. There's too much laundry on the field. Let the boys play. Let them get a little chippy. Let them get after a little bit. That's fun. You want to enjoy that.

Let's flip it over some positive. Well, actually, one more thing. Dan Lany. you're a piece of shit for scoring with 15 seconds left in the game. Covered. That's all I'm going to say. Lake cover by Laning.

I like Laning. I know that don't fucking pull the photo up. They're just playing ball. He has no clue. He could have took a knee and moved on. I'll tell you this. Head coaches have no clue what spreads are. That is such a...

Take the photo off the screen. That was a few weeks ago. That was... That was me celebrating an Ohio State loss was what that was. That was me celebrating Ohio State loss. We don't need to have that on the screen.

What's great about that photo is it all played out in reality like he's got you by the shirt pulling you around. Relax. I'm just saying. He celebrate with you just knowing like I'm about the dummy you in a few weeks.

Literally just holding me. I'm about the dummy you. That's like a movie that's seen from the departed like so many people just he just helped me with something but knowing he's going to get me in just a moment.

Yeah. Yeah. Heartbreak hotel. Yeah, that was a tough game. And we were fucking in it too. We were in it. We go for it on fourth down in the red zone to get it. Don't get it.

They end up scoring. It just... And also, back shoulder throw in Oregon's first drive. Those are back shoulder throw. That ball drops on the ground. They kick the PAT. Will Johnson on Will Johnson. No, Will Johnson didn't play.

He didn't play that game. Is he number two? He's number two, but he didn't play. Yeah, that was on him. Bro, I'm telling you he wasn't in the game. game. He had a lower leg injury. He did not play. I even Googled it. Oh, look that. 12. He's got to add a digit. Yeah, the one snuck in there. I saw all the two thinking. But he drops this ball. They kick the PAT and then they show the replay. You guys are going to tell

me we have all this technology in the world now, all these camera angles and no one's going to say nothing until after it's over. That's pretty wild, right? That is wild. And on the same exact drive, blocking the back that would have taken them out of field goal rings that was not called. Very obvious block in the back. Then Michigan doesn't get the fourth down. Those three things happen. Michigan wins that ball game. I don't know if you guys are ever winning, but yes, it's a close game. What are you

talking about? 38, yeah, 3821. I'm with, yeah. It was MoMA. It was close. Yes. 3817. Late cover. Thank God. I placed an irresponsible bet.

Just crazy. That Lany wants to do that to the rating national champs. That's wild. Wait. The new Apex Predator, man. Oregon Ducks. He's a duck.

The ultimate Apex Predator is now a Dundt. Yeah. One of the most fragile things out there. Who do you think is going to be in the Big Ten championship? Indiana and Oregon. I think so too. Yeah. I think so too.

Indian is a strong ball club. Who is Spagnetti? What's his name? Signetti. That guy, with him hitting the press conference, Google me, I win. quote like dude that is and then just continues to do what he does you put on an Indiana ball

ball game right now the commentators you're saying this guy from Auburn that guy from FSU this guy transfers out the ass this dude said fuck a rebuild we're going to go in to Bloomington was it Bloomfield Bloomingdale what the hell is this Bloomington and we're just going to rewrite history with this ball club

that is nuts it's going to come down to that last game of the year Indiana at Hawaii at Ohio State and that's going to be the playing. I think Indiana wins that game. Yeah, that'll be an awesome game. Yeah, I mean, Indiana.

Indiana's playing well, man. They're rolling. They're ranked top. They got to watch out for Michigan. They got to watch out for Michigan. I'm just telling you. For sure. They can't, like, overlook any of these games.

Is he? So here's our predictions. The first college football playoff, like, ranking comes out tonight as you're listening to this episode. And we had some rankings at the beginning of the, year. Let's see how we've done. I have in there, Georgia, Ohio State, Texas, Florida State. Oh, my God, what a brutal pick. The ACC now is going to be SMU or, yeah, yeah, SMU or Miami. Then I had Alabama. I don't think they'd get in. Oregon, Utah, which, yeah, it's a bad pick. O-Miss.

Bad pick. Nebraska. Bad pick. Notre Dame. Notre Dame can get in with the rest of their schedule. Tennessee is in an interesting spot. They could still get in. Oklahoma State, bad pick.

I think the Big 12 man is going to come down to Kansas State. They just lost. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they still have. They can still win out because they got, I believe they got Iowa State, which is going to come down to Kansas State, Iowa State. I think Colorado. BYU is still in the

Oh yeah my fault my fault No disrespect to BYUu Yeah BYU's in there Shout out the Super Soakers Yes yeah I completely forgot about BYU That's on me But yeah even Colorado can still do it bro There are two lost team right now

And they have a schedule that they can win out on Lost to some good teams Right good ball clubs But they could be on the outside looking like Let's say BYU Bring up BYU the rest of their schedule Because yeah BYU Has Utah Arizona

Kansas and Houston. They could win out, say Iowa State takes care of business. It would be BYU and Iowa State. And if Colorado's in there like a, you know, a two-lost team on the outside looking in, if BYU throttles Iowa State, like Colorado could be looking at a spot, a late spot to get in there. That would be crazy. That would be crazy, man.

It would be wild. I'm going to skip over my first name that I have. Michigan? Yep. But I'm going to go Texas, Georgia, Oregon, Notre Dame. Ole Miss, Ohio State, LSU, Tennessee, Alabama, Missouri. That's a tough one. That's a tough one.

And then I had Iowa in there as well. That's a bad one. That's a bad one. That was just two kind of... Yikes. A couple of yikes right there. How many do you think it's in from the SEC? You guys have a better pulse on the SEC right now.

SEC's wide open. It's fucking awesome. It's a wide open game right there. All of college football is wide open. Probably three. Georgia, Texas. Georgia, Tennessee play next. Now this coming weekend with the next.

Tennessee, we have Mississippi State, then Georgia. And then I feel like it'll probably be pretty cemented in who's going to be in. But then you have Tennessee clothes with Vandy, and they could shake shit off. Vandy, dude. So kind of scary. But, yeah, I think probably Georgia, Texas, Ole Miss or Tennessee. Where is the Vandy? Tennessee game?

I believe it's at in Knoxville. It's in Knoxville. Oh, is it here? Okay. You're gonna go? That's gonna be fun. Yeah, I'll go if it's here for sure. And I mean, South Carolina had a massive win, bro, over A&M.

You guys finish out being a three-loss team. Like, there's going to be a few three-lossed teams that are going to be argued about to get in the college football playoff. There's so many good three-loss teams. Yeah, yeah. And really, it's so funny just with Vanderbilt. Like, this week, South Carolina versus Vanderbill is massive. Big implications.

Huge implications. I know I have to go to a freaking wedding in Franklin. So I'm going to go Friday night to the hotel. See if I can't talk to the team, talk to Beamer. Make sure we stay on the right path. Bro. But no, I mean. The fall, isn't this your second one?

Yeah. Fall weddings. Fall weddings, man. And the fact that it's here in town. I know. Yeah, that's painful. brutal but yeah dude

it's gonna be this is the best year possible to have a 12 team playoff yeah this is going to be it's yes like last year you saw kind of the top six seven teams it was it was pretty much laid out where it was at

but this year it's like who knows and what makes everyone has shown blemishes Georgia this week against Florida and what makes it literally could have lost that was rooting for Florida to win that game just because I love chaos like nothing against the dogs you just kind of put it on your

like oh shit yeah let's see this go down right now yeah always rooting for vandy for some reason it's got to be yeah it's got to be Oregon Oregon has to be I feel like head and shoulders above everyone else not head and shoulders as of yeah like as of right now the way their season has gone too they do get better every single here's what I worry about dude is when we were in Oregon watching the Ohio State like you see Ohio State run at the tunnel their boys are bigger like just talking about like in the trenches their boys are big stouter like they had a look about them that organ I don't really see I don't see Oregon like having the durability or they're like the the moon when it comes down a

true trench warfare at the end of the day like the SEC you see them cats and we're in LSU last year or at watching Tennessee warm up versus Alabama right you just kind of worry about just some animals in those yes bro they got some fucking studs and it's gonna be fun too because every week from here on out it's gonna have implications, which makes the college football playoff that much more fun. It's like even with the NFL, when teams are like on the fringe, you're kind of like, you're trying to play ahead to be like, okay, they need this to happen. To get in the playoffs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what's going to be happening with college football, but with so many more teams. Yeah. Because, dude, being in the locker room and being like, okay, all right, if the Colts drop two at a three and this team and you're just like in that moment, it's like, oh, we still have a path to the playoffs. Right. That is like the best feeling.

Right. Actually, that's actually not the best feeling. The best feeling is when you already locked it up. You got a first seat. Yeah. Scroll down on this top 20. Like, yeah, the worst team right now is ranked 25 Louisville and Vanderbilt at 24 and 25, both at three lost teams. Like, every team in the top 25 has a path.

Like, if you're in the Big 12 or the ACC, maybe not as much. But if you're in the SEC, Big Ten's got some cats, like, it's going to be nuts, bro. Every game is going to have implications, which is going to make it that much more fun every week to tune in on Saturday. One thing that people are bringing up is Army plays. Notre Dame in two weeks. Army is still undefeated. If Army, I don't know, don't know, but if Army beats a top 10 Notre Dame team and then they win the American and Boise State wins out and wins the Mountain West, under the current rules, there's only one group of five champion that would like, you make it if you're the top ranked conference champion of a group of.

of five. Right. But could Army or Boise still sneak into that top 12 just based solely on their record? Like have both Boise and Army make it. I mean, if Army's undefeated, man, if they get a top 10 in Notre Dame. Especially if you're sitting here arguing about, Florida State, was undefeated last year. Yeah, but this is a, yeah, this is a 12-team playoff now. I think if you're sitting there, and I think there's all these good teams in the SEC, but if you're sitting there arguing over SEC three lost teams to get in and Army sitting there undefeated. It's like you have to go, you know, that's why the regular season matters, right? America would be a better place in on the regular season matters?

Would you put him in over a one loss Boise and their only losses to Oregon, the number one team? Do they play it very well? Yeah, I don't know. This is going to be awesome. Because if Notre Dame loses Army, they're a two lost Notre Dame team, I think they'd be out of it. Scatabot. went off this week dude yeah it's fun

you I thought with this NIL thing that guys would more teams would separate themselves like the kind of the premier programs would separate more and more but it seems like it's getting more scattered than ever like the teams are just coming out of the woodwork grabbing these other five star guys that just didn't want to wait in line at these like Alabama's or these Georgia's and they're just going to other places they're really they're really fucking doing something it's gonna be sick bro

yeah coaching's getting exposed yeah no doubt about it. Then we want to hit some NFL? Sure. Let's pop into it, dude. Let's pop in. Yeah, yeah. You know what? That's a great call, Mitch. Let's hit an ad. Let's hit an ad read. While you hit an ad, I'm going to pee real quick. Okay, yeah, go tinkle. Go tinkle. Great one right here because there's some ups and downs that I had in the sportsbook over the weekend. The NFL season is rolling along and the contenders are separating from the pack.

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we just we can't get right i mean derrick henry derrick henry got two for us only counts is one we had derrick henry we had uh swift from the Bears and we had David Montgomery from the Lions Jamir Gibbs scores I wanted to kill myself because it's like which one do you pick there they all have a lot of touchdowns on that team

I know and then Ammon Ross St. Brown it's like why not bet on that dude's doing the whole his celly in the end zone was incredible who else tried it was a Drake London from Atlanta did you see where that started from no incarnate word which is like a D2 is school this this water

Dever just randomly did it. I love that. It's awesome. He got a flag. I love that. But we are, we're struggling in the touchdown world. Now, something we're hopeful about, Christian McCaffrey will be active this week. 49ers.

We'll have to put that one in. Obviously, you write Derek Henry. Office, you right, Derek. Oh, yeah. Are you talking about the, uh, the boys parlay? That one was on me. That was on me this week. I picked the Andre Swift.

We like the bet, bro. It's a team effort. It's a team effort. It's a team effort. It's a team effort. I know. I thought I snuck one in, though, because I saw him playing against the commanders last week and I was like this bro this dude is really the

offense right and the success comes with him and I figured they get into the tight red zone and be able to put it in yeah just nothing bears in trouble bears are in trouble yeah I see big cat he's having a tough time he's they're ready to fire iber flus heber flus something it's that time of the year man people are just all over the place calling for people's heads left right and center yeah it's a scary time it's a scary time to be a head coach in the NFL with losing record who do you think comes out of the, yeah, that's another thing that happened. NFC South shakeup. The Saints fired head coach Dennis Allen.

They started off O and two. They've lost seven straight, Dennis Allen. They started off two and O. They started off two and O'N O'No. They start off two and O'Shea of two and O'NFourn't. They scored 90 points in their first two games. Yeah. Like we're just going off.

Michael Thomas gets on Twitter. He's so on start bad-mouthing, Derek Carr and stuff like that, throwing crazy shots. Crazy shots. Do you see Derek Carr's press conference? I thought he handled it as well as he could. Absolutely. Yeah.

I didn't see it. I'm not going to see it. I usually ignore the good and the bad. Yeah. I'm just trying to focus on my job. Derek Carr, true pro. Got to love that. Derek Carr is also out there throwing hospital balls to Crystal Lobby. Okay. That's what Michael Thomas said. And so... Damn. You're just going to hit...

That wasn't us. That was Mitch Carsley. The Mitch Carlsley said that. Go and quote him. I know. I didn't see the throw. My fantasy lineup, too, thought it was going to be bombs over Baghdad. Olave is getting close to that to a territory. of like should he play should he not play oh really he got hurt again oh i didn't get hurt again man stretchered off the field yeah stretchered yeah that's the second been there yeah yeah sucks man the south right now is going to come down on the falcons and bucks i think the falcons i think the falcons too yeah yeah bucks kind of they've had some bad

when they lost a couple of guys dude but don't sleep on baker mayfield i know i know that's the only those boys into it like the the bucks could still make the playoffs that the NFC north is wide open you got the lions Vikings Packers now the Lions are just a different They are team they handled business all day yesterday against the Packers I think uh I think it was Orloskey he tweeted out this morning that in the last you know however many games they've put up 96 points a plus north of a hundred you know point differential I mean you got offensive linemen scoring touchdowns they just absolutely destroy teams man ran a game yesterday with the Packers came down to the Packers are a tough team, well-coached team.

LaFleur is the man. Shout out LaFleur. Yeah. O'Connell with the Vikings, their well-coached football team. The North is going to be crazy. That's going to be a crazy finish this year. Do you think they sneak in three teams?

You got the NFC West is absolutely wide open. Everybody within a game. Cardinals sitting at the top five and four right now. Seattle's at the bottom, four and five. Niners are four and four. Rams are four and four. I mean, what sucked with the Rams is Puka throws a shot, throws a punch at somebody gets kicked out of the game.

I mean, the Rams are going to be a tough team. I don't know who comes out of the West because Kyle Murray's playing well. He's playing well, but he worries you about the consistency. No doubt. You're just like wins college duty. Based on the history. Yeah, based on the history of the Cardinals,

I think it's going to come down to either the Niners and Rams. And then you see the commanders of the NFC East. I think the commanders win the NFC East, bro. I think the commanders win the NFC. I think the Eagles. I think the Eagles have the roster. I think when it comes down to coaching, the commanders got it, man.

Sequin's a beast. He's changed the game. Like, you look at Derek Cannery. He's going to change video games. Next year they're going to have the backwards hurdle. Is that not the most insane thing we've ever seen in our lives? And it wasn't even the backwards hurdle. It was the juke, followed by the spin, followed by the elongated leg to the turnaround.

Yeah. And then his jogs off. I mean, don't you think so? He said it. That's teenage mutant ninja turtle shit right there. That is John Witt choreographed fight shit, dude. Like, as if him and the DB planned that. He's so high in the air.

Insane. Just had his rearview mirror and go, oh, somebody's there. Bink, just popped it on over. That is wild. That's football porn. You can go back and watch that video over and over again. Just be like, yo, this is unreal. But the Eagles got the roster.

I just think, you know, coming down to situation, coaching and everything else, I think the commander's got the edge there. Dan Quinn's a stud. He is. But, dude, I. hype in the locker room, bro. Jane Danz was playing, well, obviously hurts.

He's a stud. But again, you're going with head coach here, DQ, Siriani. I'm going Dan Quinn. Listen, you get to the end of November, and that's when that rookie wall really starts to hit. Guys are so used to be playing that third, week, fourth week in November in college. Their first year in the league,

more times than not, you see a drop-off. And that's why I give the edge to the Eagles right now. I just think the Eagles, they have the players, they have the talent. Yeah, maybe coaching's a little better, but when it comes to a guy who's really crushing it, Jayden Daniels and you get to that December You think it'll hit that rookie wall?

I think everyone does it to some extent. I don't know, man. The way the records are shaking out right now, it's close. It's close. Personally, I would like to see the commanders win the East because it's exciting. I want it for you. I want it for that team. I want it for Jayden Daniels.

That's exciting to me. But you see the Eagles, man. The Eagles have so much talent and they have a, you know, they got guys like Lane Johnson. It's upsetting that Jason Kelsey, he's over there, spike in phones. He's not able to be in the locker room helping the boys out. But bro. But bro,

you want to unpack that for a second? Yeah, we can. Also, AJ Brown went down as well. Yeah. What do you have? Knee?

Yeah, I think of a knee. But like he's not like a serious. Like a little meniscus deal. Like a small little menace guy. That's always tough for a recal. A little grade one MCL, hopefully.

Like he was walking off and like finished the rest of the first half and then they came out for the second half. And I think he tried to warm up and it was bothering. Okay. All right. Tease and peas to AJ Brown, front of the show.

friend of the show got to have it also too like just a receiver having the issues it's like yeah i'm sure you know they're taking the right precautions and everything else but shirm just popped it up uh they commanders and eagles haven't played yet they it's up to play twice so that that's gonna be some fun football to watch yeah that's one to keep your eye on right there i think you get december 22nd though it's just i don't know man division throw back wouldn't that be something commanders in philly christmas christmas game it might have been christmas eve but you know it's when the boy hit the dab sax and bradford we we clinch to east we clinch to east on that day i'll tell you what this dude has selective cTE you just you think of things you can't think of

the most basic shit sometimes but you remember all of your highlights selective oh but yeah bro the Jason Kelsey slamming the phone down yeah saying who's the yeah yeah dropping that F word hard who's the F word now who's the F word now

dude did give him a little nuts he kind of dropped him for a second bro which is crazy I know but Jason he's holding his beer he's holding beer he's holding beer he's holding beer he's holding beer he's on that he bent down but he does

give him the thing some dude on Instagram was like basically clip the part where Jason Kelsey just slams the phone down and calls him who's the F word now yeah and he's like Jason Kelsey should be in prison Celebrities don't care about you

I don't even know who the No some dude on this It was like a sports thing on Instagram And I just quote I commented on it I was like this is the most bitch made Clickbait clip ever Yeah yeah Look at the end of the day

Dude was talking Crazy noise About his brother Like right next to him And I understand the whole You know having composure And walking away And this dude's modest

You are a person of status You should be You should keep yourself above it talking shit about his brother. He's talking shit about his brother. He wanted to stand on something. He's doing it with the phone running up trying to like have a clip. So he takes his phone and slams it down and just fucking stomps it. I loved it.

Yeah. Like I loved it. And I'm dead ass serious. Like you are a pussy and you are, fuck all the legal bullshit that you can probably do whatever it is. Like you are a loser at life if you're that type of person. Just running up on somebody. Because he

probably sat out with his friends, but man, if I see Jason Kelsey today, I'm going to say X, Y, and he goes and does He thinks he's cool for a moment. Yeah, you seem kind of maybe clench his fist. Like what you're going to do? You're just swing that fist, brother? No. Exploded.

Yeah. And the thing is, is like, that's the problem too, is like, you never would you run up on a dude like Jason Kelsey and say those types of words being built like that and think, I'm just going to get away with this. Because I saw somebody there like, all it's going to take is some average Joe at some point in time to beat the shit out of an athlete and then that stuff will stop. It's like, I get what you're saying. Yeah.

But I'm telling you right now, those alpha type average shows that are out there, they're not walking up and running up on you trying to clip you with a phone, trying to say this malicious stuff to your face. Like, they know who they are. Like they, that's not what I'm talking about. Because yeah, that's true. It's like, yeah, I'm sure that'll happen at some point in time. But it's just running up saying what you're saying about, about Jason's brother.

Like, you're a fucking loser. Yeah. And I thought it was a well, a well orchestrated tweet. Yeah. Yeah. That point in time, you just, you know, there's certain things you stand on in Jason. Obviously, it touched him with him talking about his brother. And I'm with it.

I do. I get what you're saying. Yeah, I do. I get what you're saying because you would like to have the composer to just not hear it. Because you are. You're going to a game, like just fucking forget about it. But he wanted to make that reaction. And I'm pro Jason Kelsey.

Like I'm siding with the boy. Yeah. Yeah, I think we're all on Jason Kelsey side. Anybody not on Jason Kelsey side, Mitch? Mitch. You know Mitch? Why would I not? I don't know

because you always talking about how can I get up on somebody and get a little lawsuit going and make some extra cash you always talking about that type of shit I have had those words have come out of my mouth

he's never said anything this one that was crazy that was crazy yeah dude's a bitch for that man that is a bitch made move I had a couple other things the east the bills

I was kind of running through divisions who he thinks is going to win these divisions the NFC West. We already talked about that. Yep. The AFC West, obviously, you got the Chiefs. The only ones who can make it interesting is probably the Chargers. But there are a few games back right now. I do think the Chiefs are going to drop a couple. A few games back. Miles Garrett went crazy. See three sacks in the first half? Yeah. My God.

You got the East, the Bills. I mean, the rest of the East is absolutely dead. Look at the East here. You got the Jets who are second Division 3 and 6. Bills are running away. Obviously, I have to win out. Bills are running away with that. You got the North. Steelers, Ravens. Steelers? Steelers could get the division, man. Russie.

Rossi's been spicy. You got Arthur Smith calling the offense, obviously, and then you got just an absolutely dominating defense, which is where, like, the Ravens is great of an offense as they have. They don't have the same weapons on defense like the Steelers do. And then do the Bengals make it interesting? It'll be. Do we think the Colts are able to catch the Texans at all?

I don't think they could but they have I mean digs ACL uh Collins he's out too a lot of weapons done yeah Joe Mixing and tank Dell essentially yeah and they got similar schedules on the back half um I'm drawing a blank click on the Colts click on their schedule yeah I want to say both the Colts and the Texans have the Lions still I want to say the Texans might have the Chiefs as well. But yeah, it'll be, it'll be, it's going to be fun, man. Football season, this is where it all starts to matter. November, December.

Yes. Getting into the playoffs. This is where those team meetings are happening right now. Yeah. Boys, we got to get after it. It kind of does. Oh, Mitch, I know. You love ball.

I mean, I love ball. But this is the best part of the year. Oh, no doubt, but it's just like, fuck. We're a couple more months. We're not going to have this. Yeah. I know, buddy. I know.

Mike Sullivan, we're always saying, hey, you're going to blink. It's going to be Thanksgiving. And here we are. It's almost here. Yeah. Titans, a nice win. Solid win. Nice. Strong win.

The question everybody's asking right now is can they run the table? Are they? Can they get back on track? Who's asking that question? I will say I was leaving the Titans game yesterday. Some guy came up to me, introduced himself. He was staying in line for the Churro. So he goes, I want to introduce myself.

I'm Will Levis' dad. It's all great to meet you. He goes, we're going to have a great back half of the season. Yeah. Said it to my face. Feel good about it. Love it. Yeah.

I'm curious what's going to happen when Levis gets back in the fold. Because Mason's he's done enough. He's done a lot. You know what I mean? Yeah. Calvin Ridley's getting his touches a lot more. He had that one deep ball drop. I know, bro.

You see he's like, you know. I know. You love that. You love that. Sometimes it takes win. It takes one, dude. Just you get one win all of a sudden, all that anger in the locker room, that cancerous cell that keeps growing.

Everyone keeps bitching about. and say hey we got one let's just keep stacking days yeah nuts I know that tipped one yeah then gave her a little high he didn't want it necessarily you knew he's about to get smacked

he kind of had the T-Rex arms yeah yeah I mean yeah I was running nice yesterday dude it was a good it was a good looking big one we were there we were there boys getting away

we went in yeah what happened to Cushingberry is that his name Cushingberry What injury did he sustain for Corey to get in? I don't know what it is, but lower body. Lower body? Okay, so they're saying he got hurt pretty bad. I'll have to look more into that.

I will say this, all Titans fans listening. The Biscuit, Corey Levin, underrated ball player. Underrated ball player. Now, Corey, I will say this. You know what? I'm not, I'm not going to say that. Corey is a strong, he's a great run blocker. That boy knows ball.

He knows where to put the offensive line. Now they had a snap, a snap fumble. He's a coach out there. That was not, that was not Corey's fault. And the replay that did a great job at a great angle. Hit Mason Rudolph right in the hands. Hit him right in the hands. I feel good about Levin.

I feel good about Levin at center. Dude, I'm just telling you, am I biased? Yes, absolutely. I love this kid. And I want him to do well. I did make him. That's what I was going to talk about.

how much I've made, Corey Levin. Without me, Corey Levin's not in the league anymore. I will say that. Dude, Gibbons, too. Jack Gibbons, Dr. Gibbons. Yeah, I love watching Gibbons. Had a fucking game out there. Love watching Gibby play, man.

Just a Will Compton out there, dude. Just having a day. Yeah, I love watching him play. You made him. No, no. Without you, guys like Jack Gibbons wouldn't have the confidence to keep pushing forward. No. Undrafted Cat out of Minnesota.

Guys like us, we make ourselves. Guys like that Hell yeah Not Corey though I made you Corey He's got all the yeah I love seeing Gibby play He plays his balls off man

You can tell he just He has command of the defense He knows what's going on He fucking plays with his hair on fire Flies around bro Got some swag to him I love it He's a more quiet Robert Spillane

Yeah Bobby Spillane I love ball I love football I love football Tyones might do it man They might fucking turn it around Jack I heard you weren't at the

Jack missed the second half of the football game. Yeah. You weren't either. You're right. I left to go see my family. I had to go move in my house. We had to get out by last night. It was nice to see the O.T. win on the phone.

The reason I was so fired up about the O.T. win, obviously, I love seeing the Titans win. But your boy had the under, under 38 that game. That's big. Had the under 38. Seeing us win 20 to 17. I was like, God, there we go. I love the field goal. Now let's just make a play.

And Amani Hooker, two picks. Huge. Huge. And as the curse broken, right? Tennessee one. Two Tennessee football teams won the same week. Yeah, I think we can put that to bed now. I think we can put that the bed now. Let's fucking go.

Sometimes I feel like it's always November when both Tennessee teams catch a double-dub. So yeah. Yeah, there's always an exception once, but maybe next week and two, Titans got, who is it, Chargers? And then Tennessee's got Mississippi State. So if Titans can go road win, who knows? Go road win, man. You can run it, dude. We're back in it.

Shout out the Titans organization. They hosted the boys. We were there this weekend. Everybody had a lot of fun. A lot of love out there. Shout out Nate Bain, Bill Puffer. Yes. Bill Puffer?

Is it? Jared Puffer. Jared Puffer. Sorry. That's what he... That's his brother, Bill. His brother's Bill. Yeah, his brother's Bill.

Yeah, yeah. All good. From the ball. All good. But yeah, Titans, massive love. Massive love. We got to figure out a way to pack that stand. We got to figure out a way to get more Titans fans

in Nissan Stadium because if you're looking at your phone at all during the game, you're going to hear a cheer. You don't know what happened one way or the other because they have lots of Patriots fans in there. I know a lot of Patriot fans. So we'll see, man. That's kind of the theme though. But either way, you want to get to a game this weekend, next weekend, doesn't matter.

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I kind of want to just keep it low. Keep it low this time. Until they hand you the... Well, if they ask, I will do it. I will do it. It's kind of like what Bert said. That's what I'm saying. If you don't want to, you've got to set the expectation now.

I know. I know. I should text and be like... But they got that. We got the Lexus Lounge. Talon's mother's there. Talon's grandfather's going. Obviously, they're Canadian, so they're obsessed with hockey.

Just a good time. When we were walking around this weekend, a couple people said, oh, I remember you from the Jumbotron. So they, she's, when's got herself a little reputation when she walks in her Bridgetown arena. We'll see, man. We will see. That means it's happening. That my most proud moment as a father right there. God, that was so amazing. The smile on that little girl's face was all fucking time. So yeah, we're going to go today. First one of the season. Shall we jump into the episode, jump into the interview? Yeah, absolutely.

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The boys are done. I will be in the trenches starting next week. Baby number two comes. Baby number two comes. Little girl. Hope everything goes well. But that begins. But now, you know, fall tour is done.

We had a hell of a run. And yeah, enjoy this episode, boys. Yeah. out Sean Merriman. Pray for a fight. Love you. Big outside of kids. Jason Michael Vick,

fresh out of jail. Fresh out of jail, man. I was like, what field did they got this longer than 40 yards? Why are you still fast? He's a fresh out of jail.

Motivated. Some cats come out of prison. Mike Tyson, when he came out of prison, he was just meaner and bigger and buffer than he's ever been in his time. Are we rolling? Until he saw Holyfield.

Oh, we are rolling. Hey, let's give a round of applause, Sean Merriman, joining us on the bus. Just landed in Nashville, Tennessee. Just came to hang out with the boys. We appreciate you stopping by, man. Appreciate it.

I appreciate you not. First off, I want to give you a shout out for the coolest nickname of all time. High school, the nickname lights out. Yeah. So when I was Googling just doing a little bit of research on you, you put four people. Time out, time out, time out. Before you get into that story, I've got to ask. Okay.

Do you remember responding to me on a Vernon Davis Instagram post? Uh, is probably 2015. Is this when he got kicked off the field? Was Singletary? No, this is when he was on Washington Oh, okay And he was doing like a Yeah, a shirt off

And he was like dipping in some supplements And I was getting on just busting his balls Right And Sean was like defending Vernon Against me Like about to beat your ass Yeah, yeah I remember I remember Texas Vernon

Like hey Sean over the year We're just busting balls Right It's having a good time Right So just back story Like Vernon is like my little brother Yeah

I know vernon is like 15 years old I didn't know the relationship then You know So that's a lot You see a mouthy white guy and you're like, oh, I got to put this dude in his place. When he was coming out, I was trying to scroll and see, but he doesn't have posts like beyond like 2019. But it was back when he was on the same team. And I remember when Sean had responded to me, I'm just thinking I texted Vernon.

I'm just thinking I'd say, we're all good. What, Vernon's idiot? I can't. Oh, he was laughing. He's a good dude. You know Vernon, the nicest human being in the world. He is, he is. But I had that.

Dude, do you kidding me? What? That's hilarious. Sherman in the back. Man, you missed that facial. with the that little flavor saver drilled that

drilled down to chin the landing strip down there that thing is wild yeah I got a I got a fresh wand right there Juan Diaz that was your old that was your iceberg

at the bar right there that little thing hanging down off the lip for sure I got the LRG was hot at that time too everybody had fucking LRG that is so funny

but yeah we as I was saying before Will went down memory of lane with you for a second high school yeah put four players

unconscious in the first half of a high school football game yeah what the fuck man Yeah, so, so what happened was it was a school that was like talking a lot, they were talking a lot of shit, like leading up to the game.

And my coaches, when I was young, when I was then, they would egg me on by every clipping is to come out. Everything in the local newspaper, they were watching the polls come out. They would send me everything, gassing me up, so I can't wait to get to this game now. And so I just started like striking people, right? And I remember like parents were coming on the field, like standing in the end zone, grabbing a refs, grabbing a commissioner, basically saying that the coaches were held to be back for two years.

Like, I was like two or three years older than... Well, they thought you were like... Not knowing I was... Registered to vote. Yeah. And, you know, not knowing that I was the youngest, you know? So, like, even when I got drafted, I was 20 years old and I got drafted. I thought it was like a Bishop Sycamore situation.

Yeah. It's grown-ass man. Yeah. That's a good poll. And so that happened after the game, about 20, 25 students come around to me and they said, you knock those kids' lights out. And I just, you know, kind of played it off cool. I didn't think it was going to happen.

I said, yeah, you know what? Call me lights out. And I got to school on Monday, and I got my backpack on, and I got my books in my hand. It was like, yo, good game, lights. And I was like, shit. You know, it's kind of caught on already. People, you know, heard about it. And so I went home, I rushed home to my mom.

My mom smoked a ton of cigarettes. So I got the room and I'm waving a smoke. I can't even see my mom and shit. She's using the smoking cigarettes all day. And I said, Mom, look, this, you know, people calling me lights out. I want to get this lights out tattoo of my right forearm. And she looked at me and smoked a cigarette one more time and said,

boy, get the hell out the room. Right? That was it. Yeah. How old were you? How old are you? 16. 16 years old.

Yeah. And I came back every single day for two weeks. And finally, she took me to go get this light switch with a hand cutting the lights out on my right forearm. And that became a thing. And so my freshman year at the University of Maryland, we were playing Georgia Tech. Actually, this hit is on YouTube.

And it was my first time playing on ESPN. It was a night, Friday night or Saturday night game on ESPN. I wasn't starting, but they put me the game. And I'm dropping back in the flats. The wide receiver walkings come running across the field, dragging across the field. And I just shh. And then that was the first time I got up and pointed at it.

Like, there it is. There it is. Right there. Yep, that was the first time. Bring that back. Wow. God. So, you know, I'm 17.

I think I'm 17 at the time. I won't think I was 18. yet and they put me in a game and so none of my teammates at the time they thought i came in with cocky all this lights out kid we not call these lights out that's what i wanted to ask like how's the lights out they're playing when you first got out because that is the perfect yeah like tattooed to chirp as a freshman getting into college all the seniors been like yeah yeah you like i was so cocky too like i came in there like talking shit i was like that black sheep like yo this dude don't fucking he doesn't belong you know there's a couple seniors getting into corner be like we got

a humble this dude first day of practice coach's like hey this guy's a psycho yeah we had uh I don't know if you guys, E.J. Henderson. Remember E.J. Yeah, yeah. E.J. Henderson, Buck is one of the, to me, the best lineback to come out of Maryland ever. And he would always just call me freshman. Or he would, like, call me something else,

and nobody will call me anything until that hit. And so I finally came with a sideline, and I got E.J. and those guys came up to me, DeNar Wilson, you know, this, you know, defense coordinator here. Yeah. He was my team. So none of them will call me lights out at all until that hit. And that was the first game?

Now, the first time I got in the game, like on that, on the national level. Bro. That cowboy callers crazy. That was it. Yeah, that was it. That is fucking wild, man. So why Maryland? Because, you know, for me, like, I grew up in Prince George's County.

And at the time, like, PG County, D.C. was bad, dude. Like top five, top 10 Myrtle capital of the country. Really? Yeah. And so I wanted to, you know, I had offers from everywhere. And I committed as a junior to Maryland. but from where we came from nobody stayed home. Like everybody went to Penn State,

you know, Florida State at the time because Florida State was big. Ohio, they went to everywhere else. All the top players went everywhere else. Nobody stayed home. So I was like, man, you know what? I'm a stay home. And I was the first one that kind of could have went to a Florida State

or could have went to a Florida or something like that and stay home. And then after me, Vernon. We was talking about Vernon. Right. You know, Vernon stayed and a lot of guys like toured, We started having first round draft picks every year after that. But at the time, I think I was a, I might have been the highest draft player from Maryland.

But dude, it was hard. I didn't take any visits. And Miami was coming to my, you know, coming to the game, my basketball games. I was playing hooping in the all season with the, what some of the Maryland basketball players. They would be walking around, like, off campus. They were trying to get me to Miami.

So if I would have took my visit, it would have been to Miami. I would have gone to. Yeah, and if you showed up in Miami, you probably would have committed on the spot. Oh, for sure. Yeah. They took me to a strip club or some shit out there.

Yeah. I would have been, I would have been talking about the youth. They do strip clubs like malls out there. They have like three stories. It's crazy. They have a buffet. A whole type of convenience store. You were good at basketball on track too, right?

Yeah, basketball for sure. So I grew up on the AAU team. So the same AAU team, it was like me, Michael Beasley, KD, Nolan Smith, went up going to Duke, and he played, I think, for the, um, playing me in Bain for like six, seven years.

So it was like 10 of us that went all through like the same AAU team. And then the problem was I start, I start growing here, getting wider. And then everybody else like Beasley and all these other guys, they just kept, you know, going that way. But yeah, Beasley, we practically grew up in the same neighborhood and the same house. Like Beasley at 10, 19 years old was at my house. We were growing up. Yeah. All of us.

Was there anything like, was it family ties and stuff that kept you and kept you in Maryland? Yeah. why you didn't want to visit any of these other prestigious D-1 programs? Yeah, they did because I think for me, my coaches took care of me in high school. So we lost, we were homeless. We lost our house to fires because my mom couldn't pay the bills. And so she lit candles because we couldn't afford the lights. The lights got cut off and gas got cut off.

And one of the candles that burned through and we burned a whole house down. And so I end up moving with, I ended up moving with my coaches. And so I was like, man, my coaches took me in and they didn't have to do that. You know, they didn't have to take me in. So I'm not going to say I felt obligated, but all of a sudden at the same time, I'm like, everybody want to see me play. Yeah. And not have to fly out or go anywhere.

So it was a lot of decisions, man. And then, too, they just came off of, I think the Gator Bowl. They played the Florida in the Gator, like 2000 or something like that. Yeah. And then we played in a, I played in two Gator and in a Peach Bowl. When you, so you talk about being homeless, you're losing your house, all the that and then, you know, having the success you did in the NFL and having this entrepreneurial spirit you had, where did that come from? Because obviously, given the circumstances,

you just laid out for everybody, it would be easy to fold and go into this life that, you know, you should probably see a lot of people around you going into. What was different for you? It was difficult, man, because, you know, like, when I was growing up, you started seeing, like, all the dealers and stuff drive up and they got benches. Yeah. You know, but I'll say this, though, a lot of, like of the drug dealers and stuff, where we, you know, you grew up at, they never let me stay around. So like if something was ever going down or something was around, they'll tell me to leave the basketball court, get out of here, stay away. So it was, it was actually the opposite of, you know, everybody like, oh, come in here, do this, do this bad stuff.

They'd like, man, get out of here because they knew I had potential to go play on that level. Yeah. You know, that was a good kid. And I was all, I was like really into sports. And so believe or not, man, they were just like, yeah, take your, take your little ass out of here. They would essentially tell you, hey, something's about to go down and you have to get out of here. Yeah. No way. Leonard Fernette, I think he's told a similar story growing up because he was so talented at high school and all that. They were like, any of that stuff was going to go down. They're like, hey, you got to get out of here. That's kind of a nice little deal. When did you know you were going to be a guy in the NFL, like while you're playing in college? Well, probably not for people unconscious.

That's for sure. So after that game that I had, my sophomore year was my first big interview with ESPN. I was like ranked in the country now coming out in high school. Um, do I got no media training. Like we don't, where I come from, we didn't never,

no one ever put a camera in our face to tell us what to say. Um, so at that point, I'm speaking from the heart, right? So the, uh, reporter come up.

This remember they had the old school, uh, tape recorder. Yeah. Yeah, they let you talk. Um, so we pressed the tape recorder. He got his notepat right here in the,

uh, ESP and I said, um, do you play, you play the game hard. You know, you got a lot of passion out there. Like,

what, What made you get in the, while you play like this, what made you get in the football? I said, sir, I can do anything I want to anybody and I go to jail. Hey,

just being like a six foot, 200 pound offensive lineman reading that news article. Dude. Be you playing him next week? He pressed it. He pressed a stop button. It just looked at me for like 30 seconds.

Like, dude, you're going to jail. Like, you're going to jail. But I think for me, honestly, the truth is now look back on it and understand why I said it and, you know, why I came up is because it literally, those two hours of

practice or games, it was my way of getting the way to everything I was dealing with. Yeah. Right. So I get two hours to go out there and like unleash on anybody, right? And so that's what I meant. I didn't, I could have framed that, you know, a lot better. But at the time, I said that because that's what I believed in. I was like, man, I get this chance to go out there and like do what I love to do and like not get in trouble for it.

And so it just came across wrong, but the truth is that's why I started playing. Like when you're in college and obviously you're close to home, what are the things you're dealing with outside of having those two hours or having that escape of football? Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me, man, is that those two hours, I forgot about everything. As soon as I walked off the field, I knew I was going to come home to an eviction notice. We'll come home, maybe the lights were going to be out.

We didn't have food. But those two hours, I didn't think about it at all. And then so one day my high school coach had noticed that I was, I was losing some weight. And because we didn't, we didn't have food. Right. And so he, you know, then he started kind of stepping in. And, you know, my dad wasn't around.

Me and my dad got a pretty good relationship now, but he wasn't around at the time. And so he started to, you know, take care of a few things, make sure we have food and got us, got me a computer so I can start doing my homework and stuff like that. So at that time, it was my first time talking about, like, how I was living. Matter of fact, so Mike Loxley, who's the head coach now at Maryland, he was a runnerback coach at Maryland at the time.

He recruited me. And so. And he's a head coach now. He's a head coach now, Maryland. We were in such bad conditions. When I committed to Maryland, Ralph Friesian and Loxley was going to come to my place. But it was so bad that I didn't want them to see where I lived. So I committed to them and they never took a home visit or anything like that.

I would always tell them that I'll come to the school because I didn't want them to see where and how I was living. Yeah. And so he didn't even really know until later on that we were living in those conditions because I was just, for me, I was embarrassed. You know, I was embarrassed to let people know that we were living like that, you know?

And so looking back on it now, in a weird way, you're like thankful for it, you know what I mean? Like thankful for it a little bit? Because it gave me like another layer of skin. that most people don't have. You know, and you, when you talk about all the stuff I got going now, like it was like a preparation for all the stuff that I'm doing now.

Yeah. And I'm sure you don't do this a whole lot because anybody who has an entrepreneur spirit usually just looks on to the next thing. Yeah. But if you ever do have an opportunity, you're sitting in your house in your living room and it's nighttime and you just think to yourself, wow, look what I, like, look what I've made versus what I've come from. It just adds so much to your story and how cool the story it is.

You know, I used to, because I have. I always hated the rags, the riches. I'm like, I'm like, dude, you're so, and you're right. That's exactly how I looked at it. Yeah. Because it was always, it was always like the next thing. And I get up next day, it's the next thing, next thing, next thing. And then you do get those subtle moments, especially when you come in somebody from your past,

like an old friend, old somebody who knew you back then. And they see your house now, right? They see how you're living and see, you know, that you got all these amazing things going on from in the media, that you get that real quick reminder of what you have gone through. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of seeing old people, how did your relationships change as you started to find success and money with these guys?

Like you get drafted, right? First round, people want to come see you in San Diego at the time where the charges were playing. Yeah. Like, how did you navigate those hands out? And being like, hey, you got help us out. You know how we helped you. Yeah. Maybe a couple of those guys that said, hey, leave the basketball court.

They want to put their hand out and say, hey, we helped you with all. this. It's tough, especially when you come from where we came from, because there's a certain level of like, you owe me, right, for being a friend or somebody that might have loaned you a coat or something at that time. Now they want a car. You're like, hold on, man, you let me use a coat for two weeks. Right. Now you want a car. I mean, what is, you know, that's a weird trade. That's a weird trade. Believe it or not, man, it happens more when you come from that area, those type of areas, it happens a lot. And so what I did do was I took care of my high school.

I donated probably overall, probably like $350,000 in my high school, built them a new gym. They got new fields and stuff like that. I did all that. So everybody that kind of took care of me, like my coaches, you know, help him get a new house. So everybody who took care of me at that time, I took care of everybody else immediately. That was the first thing.

I bought my house, bought my car. But the first thing I did was everybody who took, took care of me and helped me get there when I didn't have shit. I was like, I'm taking care of them first. Yeah. What about the people trying to come back into the fold where it's like you obviously have certain boundaries with people, but people that are beyond that boundary who are trying to get in the mix as well.

Yeah, I was, you know, who I felt was going to be the first one because I told you my dad wasn't around. I thought my dad was going to be the first one to pop up. Yeah. You know, and he didn't. I was thinking about when you were like, I didn't necessarily have a good relationship with him. You have a good relationship with him.

Yeah. I'm curious of how that started to come about. So I talked to, I talked to my dad. one time on the phone. So I didn't see my dad from the ages of 10 or 11 till the first time I talked to him on the phone when I was 18. And I didn't see him see him in person

until I was 26 or 27. So I didn't see my dad in person from the ages of 10 to 27. I reached out to him. I reached out to him my freshman year at the University of Maryland because I had questions. I just like,

you know like you got you want to personality trades do you like this and you know one of the first things we talked about is like he's always slept with the TV on and I'm like damn I can't sleep the TV off yeah yeah so it was you know little things like that and so anyway we talked we talked for four hours on a like three or four hours on the phone and he said look I'm not going to be that way I wasn't around this my this is my address this is my number reach out and call me whenever you want, but I'm not going to be that guy. Yeah. You know, so I respected that.

And so I didn't see him to my final game in Buffalo. This is one of the reasons. I'm first of my even talking about. This is one of the reason why I retired. And Buffalo actually offered me to come back for two years. Doug Whaley did. And I was like I'm done. When I knew I was going to retire, my dad, I called him.

And I said, hey, he never seen a game. He's never came a game before. So he drove from Atlanta to Buffalo. And it was my first time seeing him. I was staying downtown Buffalo. He came, his wife came up, the elevator, walked around. I seen her first. And my dad was walking like super slow around the corner.

And he was just like bawling. Because I, for the last time I seen him when I was 10 years old. And so anyway, you know, we came up and, you know, we hugged and we talked and stuff a little bit. And he took he had a jacket on. And so he had like three of the same. tattoos in the same areas, just different. Like, I got a money thing here. He had the same one, but it was smaller.

Yeah. It's the weirdest thing. We had three of the same tattoos in the same area. Dude, and I've never seen him since I was 10 years old. See, it was the freakiest thing. And then after we started to talk a little bit more, you can never repair it fully, right? You can't really make up that time. But now we got a pretty good relationship.

And that was the last football game you ever played? Yeah. And I retired right after. Really? Yeah. Really? And so what was the reason why you didn't want to go two more years? Well, I tore my Achilles. And so I could still play dude when you tear their Achilles, you lose your, like you can't push off like he wants to.

Right. And that was-movility, the knee starts hurting, hip starts hurting, everything is connected. It was all of it. Yeah. And, you know, I just wasn't, I wasn't the same anymore. And I couldn't, for me, I was so damn competitive. I couldn't take being averaging, you know, going out there. Even if, even if Buffalo was going to pay me.

I just couldn't, I couldn't take. And they knew it. Like, buddy next. you're not what you was, but we need you to the locker room. Like, it's a locker room guy. I said, dude, I can't watch that shit on film. I can't put that out there.

Talk to me about that feeling, though, when you turn on the film and you think to yourself, man, that angle I used to take, I could get that guy or I could cover that guy like that. And then all of a sudden you're watching, you're like, bro, it's just not there anymore. What is that feeling like? And when did you, like, notice it?

I think for us athletes, we're the last ones that always know we need to retire. Like everybody else see this. Like everybody said like dude Like come on. Yeah Mike Vrable He when he had to retire He literally came home and his wife was like

You see this? Like you gotta be done. Yeah He's like oh shit are you serious? So you're right absolutely. Yeah And that's how it was And we had a

We had a rookie to came in We were in training camp And the rookie I know He played linebacker He was like you know Three or four behind me He was trying to make the team As a special team's guy

And he said In the middle of training me, Camby said, man, I just, I got to tell you, man, you know, you're one of my favorite players in, like, high school. And I was thinking, I was like, shit. One, two, three. And I was doing, you know, doing the math. Yeah.

And I was thinking to myself, like, man, it's about that time. Yeah. You know, it's about that time. And so I ended up retiring after that year. Coming into the league, being a first rounder, talk about, talk about your time, like when you first burst on the scene. I, um, you know, what's crazy is that, you know, we was talking about Vernon. Like, me and Vernon had some epic battles.

in practice. The student, we had a fence outside and the students used to go up to the fence and like cut holes in the thing just to watch me and Vernon go and do one-on-ones. It was a line. Every day we did one-on-ones outside of practice to watch me and Vernon like go at it. Yeah. And so I felt like, you know, going against Vernon every day and then Vernon was just cox, it was strong, dude. Like just, Vern's like the most physical freakish player that I ever, him and Kraman, Antonio Kramar, the two freakish players I played with. And so, and so, I got there, I'm thinking like, okay, I seen Berners. Then you got Antonio Gates, you know, sitting right in front of your practice.

I'm like, God, damn, you know. And so I walked in. I was late. I was late to camp because I had an injury clause. And so I'm seeing everybody, including Philip, they're talking shit about me in the media. They're like, he should be here. Who does he think he is? It was like that.

And this year, rookie year, just my rookie year. And I didn't go to any minicamp. I showed up two weeks before the first game. I didn't. old CBA. Yeah, this old CBA. This was, yeah, before this whole CBA thing changed. And, you know, the injury clause in my contract that I didn't want to go out there and do anything because if I got hurt, then they didn't have to pay technically because of the contract.

And it was more of like a good faith thing. And I was like, no, that's not. Yeah. Good on you to know that. It worked a little bit. Yeah. And so I finally, we got the contract situation. I got there and it was like a week and a half, two weeks before the first game.

Not a recent game. But I remember everybody talking shit in the pen like fill up and everybody should be here. And I said, dude, this first day I get up there, somebody getting their ass handed to him, first day, whoever it is. And so we got, we got the first day I got there was pad. We had our first pad at practice. We had almost four or five thousand fans in practice. And everything I did, crap, I was going over the bags and just you thought I scored every time I did something. right.

Fans just going crazy because that was the first time he saw me out there. We go to one-on-one pass rushing drills with the running backs and fullbacks. Which is the most unfair drill for running backs of all time. It's got to be what you dread the fucking moment. Yeah. Unless you got Lorenzo O'Neill there, right? Yeah. So I didn't give a damn who was in front of me.

Somebody was going to get it because I had this pent-up anger because I'm sitting at home back in Maryland and I'm seeing all these like, he should be here. and I don't know, all this other shit. And so we go out there, my first 101 is against Lorenzo Neal. And I went and boom, blew him up, Low Neal. He falls over, I'm stepping over.

I'm, you know, cry, ooh, hyping it up, just throwing gas from the fire. And it was the worst mistake I ever. Why? Lorenzo Neal, bro, listen. You're going into that rep thing and there's no fair dodge. I'm not making a move.

I'm running straight. There was no half man, nothing. I went straight down the middle, blew him up. And I mean, the crowd's going crazy. I go back around and I'm going against, I'm in the front line about to go again. There's somebody else up there. Lorenzo Nile grabbed him, picked him up,

and then pushed him out of the way so he can go again. And at that moment, I said, oh, shit. I said something. Something doesn't feel right here. At Maryland and high school, people would have been like, Yeah, you go ahead and take him. Not this time.

So I went up again and I tried to pull the same mess I did the first time. No shake, half man. I was right down the middle. And when I did that, low-nail stood me straight up in the air. And I felt like my blood rushed to my finger. You know, that's tingle your arms. Yeah, yeah. That I had nothing.

My fingers stink. Both arms. I never had, you know, typically you get a stinger in one shoulder, one arm. Both arm was just numb and felt like my blood had left my back of my body went all the way to the front of my face dude my face was burning

itching and I was like oh my God and so after that me and O'Neill came up with this thing that we had a brother-in-law Right the brother-in-law because you know the brother-in-law

The sacred brother-in-law Yeah because we realized that if we kept doing that somebody wasn't going to make it to the game we knew we had it with like so we had it that was the last time

I ever test at Loneil. It was the worst mistake that I ever did in my life still to the day. Dude, that's the worst. But maybe the sacrifice for the best kind of business move

because now you're not having to... Yes. Right. So that's a vet move, right? Yeah, it was a vet move. And so I think that when we did that every time that they ran a power or something like that,

we just got within a few of each other and just let up. I got my spot. He got in this spot. We're good. Coaches said nothing to us after that at all because they knew if we kept banging like we were,

somebody was going to make it to the game. And Lonell is the realest you ever want to deal with. But I think at that time, and then I didn't know this two years later, Antonio Gates said that the tight ends were watching that in the meeting road. It was like, shit, I ain't blocking his ass. Yeah. As a rookie, too.

Yeah, yeah. Damn, bro. Did he say anything to you after that rep? No, but, you know, I started to work out with Lonell every day after practice. Low Nail was 12 years in at this time. I'm a rookie, dude, and I couldn't keep up. Like, Lonell was just, on a different planet.

And so I just got with him and I started training with him ever, like three, four days a week after practice, we would go hit it. Yeah. He was the hardest worker on that team? 100%. Yeah.

No doubt. Man. You guys had some fucking squads, bro. It was always surprising that you guys just didn't get over that hump, man. Yeah. You know what kind of, because, like, we all put these emphasis on championships, right?

And, but I will say this. And I know the Patriots, you know, won rings and stuff during that time. I think in that mid-2000s, we were the best team to never won a championship. Yeah. And within that, you know, 2005 to 2010 range, we were so dominant. I mean, hell, man, our practices some days were harder because we had Marty, Schottnheimer. Dude, and Marty was a type that you love him to death, but Marty was a hard ass. You know, he had his times where in training camp, he'll just go and tap you and just have you doing

Oklahoma drills with the lineman or running back. Like before practice, this is the pros. Yeah, yeah, pre-practice. Pre-practice. You're not fully warmed up, bro. Not even, you know, once you go through the warm-ups, no drills, no, it was like, as soon as you warm up, we went over to the other field and there's Oklahoma drills. Call the boys up.

Call, hey, here's what we got here. And he calls out two numbers. That's it. Going at it. And you got a defense alignment and an offense alignment or a linebacker and a fullback and it just smacked at that. Dude, is that not the ultimate judgment? Like, when they, when the coach.

calls it up. It's like, all right, we got 5-1 and 7-7 going out of here in the Oklahoma drill. And you're just like, hi. Either you're thinking yourself, bro, like, this dude's a beast, or you're thinking like, if I don't win this, I'm going to catch hell forever. And it's basically just, hey, you guys got to prove it to me right now. And you got everybody watching too, right? So you can, if you got practice, somebody block you or something, it's covered up, maybe on film, maybe. Yeah. But if you get blasted in Oklahoma drills and everybody's around you.

Everybody's hyping up the winter. Yeah, yeah. They're jumping over you to get to the guy. Hey, hell yeah. Yeah. What were the meeting rooms like? Was he exposing a lot of guys? Like if you fucked up in practice.

We are sitting there and you're like, please God, don't go to this play. So he was like, Marty can get you to run through a wall. Like he gave these speeches that you want, when you would get up. I don't care what your day was like, you were getting up and you were running through a damn wall. But he always had this thing where he would, if he got too emotion, he would start tearing up and cry a little bit, right? So we had this, uh, we had this thing. in the team meeting room, if we had a good game and we were watching the film. We were talking about the film.

And he's pointing out either good or bad plays, but when he's pointing out the good is when he started to get like that. So we got this thing we started to bet. Right? So everybody's bringing 20s, you got hundreds. It's thousands of dollars flown around. Everybody got cashed in the team meeting room. And it was a clock

right behind Marty. And we would look at this clock and we say over another, a minute and a half before he cries. Right. Just a minute and a half, 90 seconds. No, just 90 seconds because, so after he looked at the film, he said, you know, a guy that a big hustle play or running through or jumping over a pile or a touchdown, something big where a guy like laid his body on the line,

he would get emotional about these type of things. So we had this thing. That consistently get emotional. Oh, dude, it was like clockwork. True football guy. No, straight football guy. 100%. And so we all got hundreds and 20.

I'm coming in there about 500 bucks because we're betting now at this point. The clock is right behind him. So as soon as he turn around from watching that play, the time it starts. And so we got in there. And then before he started to tear up, his bottom lip would always start to tremble a little bit, right?

So we know it's coming. Yeah. So you hear us in there. We're looking at the clock because the clock is right behind them. And you're like, oh, damn! You know, everybody like, because they've either lost or they won, right? And so you hear the guys in they're upset. And so all you hear is this crinkled up money passing down.

Let's fucking go. Dude, you know, some of the time I walk out of there with a couple grand, dude. Because I'm like, oh, that's a minute and 20. When did he find out? He had to know eventually. He did, he did probably like the fourth or fifth time. And he was saying right when he turned around. He's like, I know you motherfuck is betting on it.

And so we burst out, start laughing, dude, because we knew that he had found out that we were betting on him whether he was going to cry now, man. But I miss Marty, man. He was something else. He really, like you knew, like he was toughest nails,

but he'll walk up to you in training camp sometime and just tap you on, but hey, take the 907 off. Yeah. He'll take whatever drills off, to rest your body and stuff like that. So we had a tough part about him, but then he had, you know, the other side.

He would go to some guys that put in the work. Yeah. Says a lot, too, like, hey, coaches who can still motivate him. at you through a speech because you feel like when you go through college you've heard all the stuff right and then as you taste the business of the NFL you know it kind of gets outside the whole scope of the team all the time so coach it's able to like make you feel something in the speech I remember the first time I heard john gruden uh give a speech when I was out at

Oakland it was like my seventh year I think and I just remember being like motivated after a practice man it's kind of been a while since I felt like yeah somebody made me feel something like I know because usually I mean especially with like rable who had for the longest time he would always, he wasn't like a motivator, like, tell a story, get you amped up. But he was a guy that like just always had the keys and everything. This is what we have to do to win, blah, blah, and then we just send us out. Very rarely in the NFL, do you feel that like, you know, Friday night lights type of motivation type shit? But in high school, bro, high school coaches, I feel like give the best speeches.

I think now with the NFL, everything is so, like, technical. So you don't get like the emotional, passionate speeches. You get like, you know, this many times, you know, this many percentages. and breaking down numbers and shit. Like you've got a handful of coaches still have that passion to get, you know, get you up and run through a wall. But for the most part, it's like, you know, culture take the sheet out and like, hey, we were 37% on sudden, such and such down.

Yeah. Right. You get what I'm saying? So it's become a lot more technical. Like, yeah. A lot more analytical. Like data driven. Guys are trying to figure stuff out.

Because I feel like the game has become so refined. Like everyone is so much faster, stronger, bigger. And techniques have gotten a lot better too. So everyone was just trying to find that small little thing you see a couple of years ago. with the Patriots doing the field goal, bringing a guy from the sideline and running in, that was like a new little wrinkle they throw it. So every once in a while there's like a new change.

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a little bit like you're not as hard as it used to be but back in your day. What was that rookie Hayes and like your rookie year. Because I feel like you probably... I'm saying, I was going to say it. He probably, well, he talks about being cocky, he's probably one of those asshole rookies too where it's like, come on, man. Just be a part of it.

Yeah, just be a part of it. You have guys come in, they'll be like, yo, I'm not doing this shit. It's like, yeah, you got to. You know, show him's a psycho. Like, we ain't gonna... Yeah, yeah. Okay, so this is a thing. For me, I was like, if a guy asks me to carry helmets or pick stuff up,

no problem. Yeah. But then you got some of the guys are like, go overboard. I'm like, no, I'm still a man. You know, first, I'm not, you know, you're going to Exactly what we thought he was. He's just like, he's going to look at you. He's like, hey, hey, good luck.

Yeah, and you're like, I'm like, I listen. Yeah, and it was that, you know, I had you big Jamal Williams to play D tackle for us. We had, um, we had Randall G. And Donnie Edwards, we had some real OGs in the locker room. So they told me to pick some stuff up off the field. No problem. Yeah.

But then you have to put your foot down and say, listen, bro, like, enough's enough. I mean, what, I mean, like, what are you going to do at this point? And then you ask him, it's like, okay. At the end of the day, no one really wants to fight. Yeah, but you know what they did do to me, though? They got me with that rookie dinner, dude. Oh, how much?

32 racks. No way. Whole defense? Whole team. So everybody at- Shut the fuck. So, yeah. Because now it's got, I feel like it's broken up, offense, defense.

No, it's, so they, I think they changed it after me. It was either me, it was either. The trailblazer. Dude, it was, it was a record that you don't want to have, you know. And so I think it was either me or Des Bryant. But so they got there and if you're four years in, which you've vested after four years, right? That's the year long.

After four years, you were invited to this rookie dinner. And normally the first round draft pick, he pays. Yeah. And I told this story, you know, a few different times, man,

but long story, show we go to this place in Del Marr called Poppamuz Grill. And I have no idea, but I just turned 21 that season. So I got no idea, like what all this stuff costs and, you know,

like bonds and alcohol. I don't understand a dollar at all. Dude, like Drew, Drew Breeze got me with like two or three bottles of wine and were like a thousand apiece. Yeah. And I got, dude, I'm thinking of wine. So I'm saying wine in a liquor store. You're thinking like, oh, okay, it's $100, $200, whatever.

Max, you know, and you find out those $1,000. And he's sitting there with two bottles in his hand like that. But me, Jamal Williams and Antonio Gates was drinking like this alcohol that I didn't know at the time called Louis the 13. Yeah, Louie 13. Bro, they ordered one. My dumb ass, I ordered two more than not knowing how much it was. You know, so anyway, we go and everybody's eating good and all this other stuff.

At the end of the night, the owner of the restaurant come and say, Sean, need to see you in the back. I was like, for what? Like, bring me the bill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. You tell you, oh, all right. I'm like, man, I'm like, oh, you know, the chef's a fan.

He's a fan. Yeah, right. He's a family. He's a family fan. All right. Yeah. No, no, that wasn't the case. He was like, man, I need to see you in the back.

And I'm getting frustrated at this point because I already told him twice. I said, just bring the bill, man. I'm trying to, you know, get out there. So I said, please, just do me a favor, call me in the back. So I go on the back in the kitchen area. And he gives me this receipt, dude, to drop down like a Safeway or CVS receipt to my feet. Like a cartoon. Oh, dude, to my feet.

I couldn't believe. And I was like, man, you mean a mistake? I was like, did you accidentally print it too many times? I didn't know what was going on. And so anyway, I looked at the bottom of this thing and I lifted up and I finally got to the bottom. And it was like $32,000, $100-something and some... And my heart just dropped, my heart dropped to my socks.

I mean, literally my heart, because I've never seen anything like this before my life. So, you know, when the bill bad, and I don't know if you guys ever did this or not, but if you're out with a group of people and somebody, you're trying to divide the bill up and stuff, you start looking at them like, like, dude, I didn't order garlic mashed potato, bro.

Yeah, yeah. The bill is 32 grand. What the hell is... Like, what does it matter at that point, right? But I'm so... I'm sick and I'm trying to get out of this bill. And so I got my... I got my black card.

I gave my black card. And I'm hoping... Hold on. All right. That's a nice little flex you just put on us just now. 21 with a black card. Yeah, 21 with a black card. So I'm hoping.

I'm praying to God the distinct declines. I'm praying. For the one time, you know, you're somewhere, you're traveling and you're... You're like, man, God. Kind of embarrassed your eyes. Sorry about that. Yeah. So I'm literally in my head

I'm begging for this thing to decline, dude. I'm like, please. If they call me, and then I give me enough time to go and work a deal out or work the bill out. And I gave it to him and I'm hoping that when he comes back,

he says, hey, you got to call him. And I was going to tell him, like, I'll just call him tomorrow or something and just, I worked a bill out separately something down the road. They handed me the pen and that shit went through. Nobody called me.

Yeah. No one from American Express called me at all, bro. I was so sick. Bro, I was so sick. I couldn't believe it. And I just, so that whole day,

but my stomach was just in knots. I couldn't believe that just happened. Back then, were they added gratuity already? Yeah. The gratuity was already added? Because it would have been way worse. I was 20% of this.

I mean, I don't think I had the stomach to put my pen in that paper and add a tip, like at that time. I don't think I could have done it. You know, it's hard right.

Just put the line through it. Dude, my rookie, my rookie dinner, I literally, my credit was so bad. I had, you know, whatever. I was a first round draft pick,

but my credit was so bad that I had my credit card with a $1,000 max on it for the month. So I had to, like, call my bank and be like, hey, I'm doing a rookie dinner tonight. I need you to get that max. It was like two hours.

Right. Two hour processed. It's like five grand. Damn, 32. Dude, I wish. 32 is nothing. I remember it was like 20 something when I was on. 32's a lot.

35 grand is insane. Because it'd be like they'd have the draft picks and like the top two or three rounds. Like they'd split it. Yeah. It'd be like 20-something grand, but they'd split it. I haven't seen like.

a 32. Yeah. I never even hurt like anything over 16. Like 32 is crazy. Oh dude, it was disgusting. I mean, it was,

it was, what we would do is we would get, like towards the end, we would get the rookies, have them come in. We go to a nice place. And then we get, uh,

louis shots for everybody. But we would tell the restaurant like, hey, just do one Louis shot for whoever's paying for the dinner. Right. And then just bring the rest of us like, you know, plastic.

Yeah. Had it's something ridiculous. Yeah. And then like we would tell them, hey, amp that bill up. So a bill would be like, you know,

At the end, like we would do like $1,400, $1,400. It wouldn't be that much, but we'd make it look like $10,000, $15,000. So they'd be sweating and hurting you get to see the pain in their face. And then you'd be, hey, man, it's all good. Take a zero off that. If my bill was $10,000, I would have been happy as hell. Really? Oh, man.

You ought to have been excited. I'd have been so happy if that bill was $10K. Because 32, man, it was like a, you know, at that time, the most expensive thing I would have bought was a house. Yeah. I didn't, and well, I bought a car, but outside of that I had nothing that expensive ever. What was that first car you were driving in rookie year? G-wagon.

Oh, okay. And I bought the G-Wagon because... 150 right there? Yeah, about that. And I said it's the West Coast Customs, you know, when I got out there trying to get out of Deked out of Dazey G-Wagon. But I got that car, I got that truck because of Lavaar, Arrington, who was... Who was a monster.

Who was my mentor, my older brother. And I remember he... At the time, he was Taiton Serena. And they were coming to my game. LeVar and Serena Williams. They were kind of my football games. And so he would drive up on the field, bro, and that thing. And I just look over and I was like, man, when I get some money,

man, I'm gonna get one. Yeah. Was that your first big purchase? Yeah. That's a right off too. It's over 5,000 pounds. Businessman. Yeah.

I'll let them. At that time, but I was blown it up, so I ain't give a shit. Yeah. You were definitely the rookie showing up day one with the Louis bag. 100%. The Gucci slips, new chain. The whole thing. No doubt.

It's the most expensive piece of jewelry you bought. I had a $100,000 chain. I had like a hundred-tenth. Yeah. Yeah, I was definitely wearing a lot of jewelry. Man, you know you spent a lot of money with that first photo they popped up with the little landing strip right there.

Yeah. It was about that fashion. That was on right there. I had about 70, that was about 70, right there, 60 or 70. But I had one that was 100. No shit. Yeah.

Did you ever haze in the rookies? Um, not really. You know what I used to do to guys? I would, um, I would have to break my, there's the only thing I really did. I would have them break my cleaks in because I hated wearing new shoes. So I'll let them get the blisters and shit. You know, like first.

You'd have them wear them. Yeah. For a practice? For a practice and they're giving them me. No shit. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be so mad if someone's like, you need to wear these cleats.

I'm like, bro, I have to break in my own. What are you talking about? Yeah, that was, but that was, that was as far as I got. I didn't do anything more than that. Dude, talk to me about, so you're, you're out in the northeast. you're in Maryland and then you get drafted by the charges were you just like so hyped up have you been to California before this time no no the only time well I take that back I did go on my visit yeah and so do I never even see the top 30s yeah okay got you and so we got there when they when they brought me out

I never seen like palm trees and stuff like that in person that was my first time like actually seeing you know so we're going over and you see you know that PB area you see all the water and a I said dude this is like a dream yeah you know if I wish I could can get trapped here. This is like paradise. You didn't care to go all the way across the country? No. No, in fact, I wanted to. Right. Because, you know, high school in Maryland, college in Maryland. So I actually wanted to go, you know, kind of on the West Coast. So I took the trip to Dallas. I took to a trip to Detroit, the charges, and then

Redskins at the time, because they were home. Team former team. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I met with them three, four. And they told me, They say, look, we don't think you'll be around the 12th pick. We think it'll go swimming in top five, top seven. Definitely top 10. They didn't think I would get outside of that top 10. But I said, if you do, we're going to draft you. This is coming from AJ Smith at the time of the general manager.

Where did you think you were going when you were coming in the draft? Either one of San Fran or three to Cleveland. I thought I was going to either one of those. Yeah. If I didn't go there with so many options because I came out and I was like 27. All the scouts initially thought I was like, around 245 and I weighed in at 22. So now you had,

they didn't know if I was going to play outside lineback or defensive end. They couldn't believe I was moving around like that at that size. You know, so they just didn't know. You know, so now it went from like possibly going top 15 to like now that top five to seven. Right.

And so, yeah, man, I thought I was going to go, one of San Fran. They got Alex Smith went and then three to Cleveland. They chose Braylon Edwards. And then the redskins that year. they got Carlos Rogers, right? The cornerbacks from Auburn, Auburn, right? And then I went to go to meet with Dallas.

And the thing is, with Dallas, I met with Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells. So they told me that they want to draft me. You're thinking Bill Parcells, he had L-T. You're thinking you're about to have the star on the side of your helmet. Yeah, do it. The room that, the office that me and me, Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells sitting there was probably about the size of this bus.

Yeah. Like, just how tight it felt. Really? And you got, like, Jerry Jones sitting right there. You got Bill Parcell sitting. there. Dude, and I'm a 20, I don't even think I was 21 yet.

I think I was 20. And I'm sitting there and do you could, I like, I felt it was two big powerhouses in the room and you got Bill Parcells was just tough as nails. You got Jerry,

Jerry Jones sitting right there. And so Jerry's like sitting up on the desk with his leg up on the desk and say, you know, Sean, if you, you know, if you're there at 11 pick, we're going to draft you. And then Bill Parcells tells me,

said, yeah, we're going to draft you. We want you here. As soon as you get here, I'm going to work your, ass to death. This is what he told me, Bill Parcell. No shit. Bill Parcell said as soon as you get here, we're going to work your ass to death. And in my head, I'm thinking like, man, I'm not trying to fucking come. I'm not trying to come here. Oh, for real? No. No.

Just a little, just coach saying, we're going to work you. That's good enough for me. Were you surprised going from like, this is a big surprise for me is like being in college and seeing the facilities and then going to places like, I haven't been in the charges facility in San Diego, but notoriously a very cheap franchise. And so you kind of see all these other ones. Were you surprised at how maybe the charges were or Washington was compared to Dallas? Well, you know, I mean, you always got this thing with like America's team anyway. Like you got this Dallas Cowboys. People just knew they were like the team.

They're the team. Yeah. And then, you know, it's Texas football in general. It's just a whole different beast. But then you got Dallas Cowboys. And for me, when I got to San Diego, it was more like, dude, I got off the plane. It was 75 degrees in the best weather you can have asked. It was almost not real.

Like it just didn't feel real. The taxes were. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, but when you make enough money, you're not thinking about that at the time. Now, as much as I know now, I'm like, you know. Right. God.

52% is going to Uncle Sam. You're like, oh, my God. I'm like, you know, to ask Bill Parcell, like, please work my, please work. Yeah. No state of Texas. I can't save so much money. You need my ass worked. Yeah, no doubt.

And it is crazy too because, like, I don't know. Let's just say this taxes were the same. in Texas as California was the same as Texas. Yeah. Bro, they beat the most over flooded state of all time. It is so beautiful. It is such a beautiful place, but especially Southern California.

Dude, I still argue with people. I think that San Diego's the best places in the country. It might be. Like, you know, I just- A lot of people feel that way, especially when they've had like a month or two there. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I was just there two months ago for four or five days. Yeah, dude. That's where I would train in the off season. I would go to Encinitas. Oh, yeah. And I would be in Carl's bed at the time. the exos over there and I was just like, dude, this is unbelievable.

It just seems like you're a constant vacation, like on a permanent vacation, living out there. So when you're, so you're falling in the draft. You think one, how dope would it be to be the first overall picking a draft? Like what a milestone. What an opportunity? That comes and goes. Yeah. Three comes like, all right, it is Cleveland, but still top three would be insane.

That goes. Yeah. Where's your mind at as you start essentially falling in this draft? Well, it moved to like six or seven because I think the Vikings had. six or seven, yeah, they had seven that year. And so Mike Tice, he played football

the University of Maryland. So I thought it was going to be Minnesota after that. Once Minnesota passed, I knew it was going to be Dallas for or the charges. Yeah. Like 100%.

You feel any type of way when they grabbed the Marcus Ware? Not really because... I mean, stud. You fall one pick and then I'll... Right. You know, and there was also a team you wouldn't mind you wanted to go to.

You get what I'm saying? So wasn't that? Now, I'm mad because they told me what they told me. I went home and told telling my family. Right. You know, that, that part I was pissed off about because what happened was, half my family was divided up between, coming from

the DMV area, between then Redskins fans and California, you know, Kansas, it's rivalry. You know, back my family half and half. So half my family's excited. Other half my family was pissed off. Yeah. You know, so what they did was, is that my family was Dallas Cowboys fans,

they went out and got custom-made 56 Merriman jerseys. And so my other, and the Redskins fans at the time went out and got 56 Redskins jerseys. And so when the Redskins were on the clock, which I think they were like the ninth pick

or something like that, or ninth pick, ninth pick. They were on the clock. And when they passed me, you just heard the wind, let it out of them. Oh, shit.

You know, kind of. Wasted a bunch of money on custom jerseys. Yeah. Ripped the jerseys out of the bag, threw them in the back, so you heard that part. And so the rest of my family was excited because they knew I was going,

just knew I was going to the Cowboys. Yeah. And so they got out, I hear the bags open because they're all taking the jerseys out of the, out of the bags. And so the Cowboys passed me up. You heard the same thing.

Shit, just slamming the, you know, slamming the jerseys or whatever. And then, and then I got a call from, from Marty. And at this time,

and you know, like, if you felt like people pass up, you got a chip on your shoulder, not just the Cowboys. It was like everybody who passed up. So I felt like that, well,

I had to chip my shoulder for that reason. And so, Marty called me, he was like, hey, just Sean Raymond, I say, yes, this Sean, hey, this coach Schadenheimer, you're ready to be a Charger? And I was like, hell yeah, you guys ready to call me, call my name, so I can get out there and get to work. And after that,

it was kind of history. I was reading where, what was the learning curve like for you when you did finally arrive at training camp? Obviously, you was talking about Lorenzo and Neil and everything else. But I want to say I read or heard you talking about how basically they were structure in the game playing around you because you weren't necessarily privy

to what was even going on on the field. Dude, I knew nothing, which is crazy. Dude, I knew nothing. And because I got there so late, and mind you, you know, the playbooks, I try to tell everybody, like the playbooks are this big. And when you play a strong, a weak side of linebacker, it changes depending on what side, what side of the strength. So your whole responsibility may change.

And then the game is so fast, you got guys motioning, shifting, and then, hut, your mind is just, I couldn't catch up, you know. And so finally, Greg Minnowski as my linebacker coach He was my D.C. in Washington. I love Coach Minnowski. Dude, with the best. The best, the best, dude.

And the character, beyond belief. Yeah. He's just going, d'esh. Yeah. He's drawing shit on the board. He's like one of the most fun coaches I've ever had. Yeah, the best. And then John Pagano was also an assistant linebacker coach.

Okay. And Wade Phillips was a deep court. Dude, I had a great, I had a great, great coach staff. That's an awesome stuff. Three different, you know, one of obviously ended up being a head. head coach or was a head coach of Wade Phillips and you had Minoski who's been around as a player as a coach, the coordinator and then

John Pagano also as a coach, defensive coordinator as well. So I really had like three really like great coaches. So they finally, they knew I can play. They knew I can run and I fast and all that shit or whatever. They brought me after practice one day in a lineback of meeting room and Wade Phillips and Minnowski sitting right here

and Pagano sitting here and Wade Phillips is right here is like, listen, see ball go ball. And I'm confused. I'm thinking like they're playing like they're testing me, right? Because I don't know what that means. They said, we want you to see ball go ball. I said, Coach, what does that mean?

They said, well, when you see the ball go to it, we'll line you up. And that was it. So when they called a strain, that they called a strong side or weak side, blitz or whatever, I knew I had to go to the strain. And when they say, your name is called, you go. And when your name is not called, you drop. That was my playbook for the first life four to six weeks. And when you say when your name is called, is it baked into the call?

Yes. Like is the mic backer saying? Yep, a Sam Mike, a Sam Mike blast, right? So if I'm strong side, Sam, I'm blitzing. If they said, we'll cover three or whatever it is. My name not called, I got the... Drop a curl flat. Drop a curl flat.

Even then, it's just him answering it. You want to make sure Sean's blitzing every time. Am I going back to a hook? What are we in here? Yeah, yeah. We in his own dog? They do, dude, if they shift, you know, one of those things, because it's the word, it's literally the worst feeling, like,

you don't know what the hell's going on. And so they made it. It was C-ball-Go ball for the first four to six week, and that helped. Yeah. And then by like week six, I was able to be interchangeable on size. I didn't have to switch size anymore. I knew if the shift or the strength shift, then I can pick up on what the wheel was supposed to do.

Right. So by week six, I was clicking. That's when you're feeling good. That's what I was good. There is not a worst feeling in the world when a call is made, and you're like trying to ask somebody what the hell you're supposed to be doing. I was going to blitz. Like, no matter what

If everything fails, just Just get the sack, dude Play of God It was on my Like Sean! Oh yeah, good play Yeah How many sacks did you get

When you were even supposed to rush? Oh shit Probably at least 10 Probably Yeah, like would you have like 39 In the first three years? Yeah, like 39 40 And then

And that was when I was suspended in 06 You know, I had 20, 17 18 Sacks in 06 Bro, talk about the suspension Yeah I mean the lure, the mystery Yeah The Sean Merriman P

PED steroids, you ended up getting injured afterwards. Like the entire career, Sean Merriman. Yeah. People always ask and talk about the PED situation. I think it was so big at that time. I'll tell you the biggest thing because all that stuff was going on with BALCO. That's why it was so big. It was like when BALCO was going after every, like it was so big.

The track start, the tracking field. It remind me the BALCO stuff. That was the Victor Conti, like the track stars, like who was actually going to see doctors in like clinics yeah yeah yeah probably your doctor in Ohio got you know this was this was massive this was like the whole things where they were trying to tie Barry Bond so this was like the big McGuire okay yeah this was Sosa this was that era right when all that happened and so when I got suspended I was like I got thrown right in the mix with all of them and I was like dude I've never seen a doctor for shit

you know I got I got suspended for something that was over the counter like like Like you can go to any vitamin shop or whatever. And what happened was that they put it on the list from the previous year wasn't there. Right? And so me being me, I didn't look at anything. So when the PA sends out this new thing before. And it was on there. There wasn't.

Right. When they shoot you the email with all the bands. Right. Or they bring it into and they do that talk before the year to come in. But I just balled it up and put it in my locker because I was like, it's been a, I'm not taking anything different. And so I actually got suspended during the off-season. tested during the off season. And at the time I was tested

20 times. This was my 20th test that I felt. 20th test that you failed? I mean, sorry, 20th tested that I took. Okay, okay, gotcha. I felt the 20th test. Got you, got you. Because they were testing shit on my, like, all the time,

dude, they was like, hold on, this rookie out here, like, just going bonkers. Like, you know, and so, and so I got tested and two months before the season started. A month and a half before a season started. So it takes like six to eight weeks before sometimes you get your results back. But I actually popped.

I got suspended during the off season. I took my suspension during the season. At no point in time to ever test positive after that. It was that particular time during the all season of the supplements I was taking. And it was on the band list. And I just didn't know. And so when I sent everything in, I forgot the guy's name in Ohio who was the head of the doctor. He was the one to do the testing.

and you talked to. I forgot his name. He's probably the same guy. Yeah. And so through the NFL, and they say, Sean, look, we understand, but whatever you put in your body is on you, regardless. And I said, hey, I mean, could you guys just find me the four games and don't suspect? I was trying to figure out a way because I sent him the supplement. He's like, yep, this is it. But it's on the list.

I said, well, I'm not trying to beat the system. Here it is. Yeah. I sent it to him. You know, I haven't hired an attorney, and I hired some doctors and scientists from UCLA. I spent a ton of money to show them like I'm not trying to beat the system. And this was cool. And I know Roger Goodell gets a lot of slack. But he did something he didn't have to do because he felt that I was being unfairly treated because of this thing.

You know, Roger Goodell actually came out and said he told the public that I had tested 20 times, 19 of them clean, without a problem. And this is the 20th time that I got it. And I called him. I said, hey, I appreciate that, man. You didn't have to, you didn't have to do that. Because he also felt like, hey, look, these are the rules. But how I was being treated at that time for that wasn't fair. Can you expand on how you were being treated?

You're just saying you're just guilty. Well, you know, so like people. Because you're not the only one with the PED suspension on the bus. Right. I did. I did. I had a little Austrian incident. It was, I went through the whole thing.

I got tested in May. I tested in March. Got tested again in April. March was clean. Then April I had like trace amounts for a thing called Austrian. Right. And I went through this whole,

I did a lie detector test, like just trying to prove that I'm innocent. Right. And you got to spend it anyway, right? I got to spend it four games. Yeah. And so that's the thing. It's, you know,

they make it clear that they don't give a damn what you put, like it's you. Right. Whatever you take, it's on you. And so I was like, you know, I get it, but at least you guys see what I was taken. I'm not trying to hide it. And they said, we get it.

We understand, but you still put it in your body. it's on you. So, and I don't know how long it took for you to get your test back, but it took me like six to eight weeks. Yeah, it's about the same. About that, right?

And so when I, dude, this was happening. This is the craziest shit. So when I tested positive for the PEDs, I didn't get a letter from the NFL to after week one. We played the Raiders. And this didn't help. We played the Raiders Monday night, and I opened up with like three, four sacks,

the first game of the year, right? Going crazy. Going, going to just, that offensive line was like, I knew it. As soon as it happened, they're like. Everybody, like, it's because, you know, like, you know, I was, I was big at the, you know, like put the guess. So they look at me like, they're looking at me like, for sure. Yeah, look at you.

You don't say, you don't know. I was kind of jacked. It's like, oh, you don't fucking say. They're tapping up a brick wall. You're like, God damn, all right. It was, uh, it was one of those things where I got to force sacks and I came back. It was a Monday night game. We got back from Oakland, Tuesday.

And I go in my locker and there's a FedEx. in my locker. So the only thing I, at the time I knew they sent out was fines in the FedEx. And I said, hold on, should we just play yesterday? So they can't find, why they find me already? Yeah. I was like, oh, shit, they're starting this shit again,

trying to come after me. And I opened up the letter and it showed exactly, like, what, you know, you've been suspended for this, this, this, this, and this. And I'm looking at it like it's some kind of joke. Because do we play some sick jokes on each other in the locker room? Do we play so many, like, just, cruel, messed up jokes to each other. So I'm thinking, like, one of the linebackers

or one of the DBs that, like, typed up some letter. Like, I'm really thinking they're playing around with me, you know? And I took it to the train of James Collins, and I said, James, I said, this is not funny, man. Who's doing the shit? I said, what is this from? And he read it? He's like, yeah, it looks like, you know, NFL is suspending you for.

I said, it's real? He said, yeah. So I go and I call my agent at the time. I'm freaking out. I don't know what the hell is going. gotta be a mistake. I'm thinking like, it has to be a mistake.

That rage is coming out, huh? Oh, yeah. Dude, like, who fucking wrote this? Oh, god damn. Straight off the program and shit. I'm coming there and knocking down the door.

And so, you know, I'm like, this got to be a joke. It's got to be something like, you know, because what I thought of, like, steroids is needles.

That's what I, you know, I'm like, from where I, from where I come from. We don't know about that type of shit. You know, we barely can afford food. Like, we ain't buying no extra steroids.

If we were buying something, it was going to be food. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I didn't know that life. So I always thought, like, well, this got to be wrong because I didn't, I'm not shooting nothing to my ass. And so later on, I end up finding out that there can't, there's stuff, stimulants and all kind of shit and other stuff, tainted. It's a whole different world.

It's a whole different world. Any, like, nutritional, any supplement store you walk into. Yeah. Yeah. It could be something in it. Yeah, yeah. And it's that one little diana, like, just a long name, right? And I'm like, I'm not a scientist.

How am I supposed to know that this means steroids? You know, you just don't know. So anyway, you just knew it was helpful. I just knew it got me an extra workout in. You know, it's a pre-workout in. Hey, caffeine's crazy in this one. I can go all day. I was like, my bench has gone up 50 pounds.

Like, see, they're curling 200 and, I'm like, this is whatever this is. Yeah, you're running around the, facility confused. People were like, come on, man. What are you talking about? No, no, for real. And so I was suspended. They gave me an option, which was really dope. And so I peeled it because we wanted to figure out, like, what was wrong? We had to pill it so we wouldn't just take it right away. But what I did was, I looked at the schedule and saw who we had there. And we had a four game stretch. And at the time, it wasn't that good. We had like the Bengals, the Browns. We had four

teams that wasn't good. So the team was basically like, okay, we don't need you these weeks. So I took my, I dropped the appeal and I took my suspension. So I didn't even fight it anymore because it was like, again, you're going to take the lie to take or take, you can do whatever you want. Right. They're going to suspend you. Even now, like it's the NSF certified, but they even say, even if an NSF certified probably gets popped, it's still on you. No doubt about it. Yeah.

There's a whole bunch of batches. I can go on for 30 minutes about this. I've gone through the whole entire process. And so like you know that, first of all, people look at us anyway. They think we all want some shit. I mean, the regular person, you know, look at this lame, he got to be on whatever. Right. Because they can't understand, like, some of us is just, we just built differently.

We're working out six, seven days a week. Our bodies are trained to do this. So the regular person I was already like, and then me on top of that, out there, playing and acting the way I was acting. Three sacks in the first game. They was like, yeah, him? For sure. You know?

Right. And so I was like, God damn. You almost get, you get tagged with that no matter what. And I came back and I had more. sacks when like so I didn't test even during the season I didn't test positive this was during the all season um and they what I could what I found out it stays in your system for like a few weeks up to 30 days it stays in in your system so never tested it for anything during the season but when I came back I was so pissed off I like had a chip on my shoulder at that point I was because I read all this

stuff and dude I was um it was on CNN like Al Jazeera like it was everywhere no shit it was dude it was so big at the time I like I didn't know who the hell how Al Jazeera was I'm like, why is he talking shit about, like, I don't even know what, it was like, international news. Right. And it was so big. So when I came back, I was like really, really pissed off. I was really mad.

So I ended up having more sacks when I came back than to when I left. Yeah. And that really just pissed people off more. And the fact that I made the Pro Bowl and then was up like two, like top three, fitness and defensive play the year, they made that rule where you can't go to the postseason if you get suspended or have anything. Yeah, you can't do, you can't be a pro bowl. Yeah, he still was a pro bowler.

Yeah, which I want to thank you for that because 2019, I got suspended and it was my best year of football I ever played. And I wasn't allowed to make the pro ball. The Merriman rule. Yeah, literally. Would have been four in a row. Would have been four in a row. They did. Yes, so they put that, uh, that merriment rule up.

And again, this is when, you know, Roger Goodell came out and was like, this is not, you know, this is not fair. Just tons of guys. What prompted Goodell to do that for you? Why do you think that? I don't know. I think that, um, because I met with him before and I was around him alive. And the heat was high, like you're saying at the time with baseball, tracking everything else.

And you were like at the, I mean, you were a star. Like you were on commercials. Like you were in. Yeah. And that's all of that really amplified all of it. Right. And so when you're already out there and you're visible and people see you and then something like that happens, it's like magnified.

Right. Beyond belief. And so I was really pissed off. And I came back. I had to finish up the season. And then they had the, they made that rule. And then that's when Jason Taylor on these guys, Jason Taylor won that year.

And Jason Taylor was like talking shit. He was like, you shouldn't win. And like it to the media. Yeah, right. And so they were out of playoffs. We went to the playoffs that year. So I sent him a lights out t-shirt and a bag of popcorn and told him to sit his ass on the couch.

I sent it to the locker room. No shit. Yeah. Let's fucking go. Yeah. Nice troll. So I made sure that he got it. The team player personnel, they took it to him and made sure he got it.

because I had a friend that knew it. And I said, make sure we get this. So I sent him a lights out t-shirt and a bag of popcorn. They said, make sure you watch us in the playoffs. What do you say? How do you respond? Nothing. He came back and he was pissed.

He was pissed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'll tell you something that happened, though. And again, that was much different than we ended up going to the Pro Bowl. And this was when it was in Hawaii. Me, I'm the type of you going to say some things like that. When I see you a person, keep that same energy with me, right? I just I've played with you before

I've played with you before I've played with you I know exactly who you are in the locker room and it's like I feel like you to do hey we can joke around have fun but you know there's a couple buttons just like you know stay the fuck away from those buttons

so okay okay so what happened was so we got down there and I brought my family my grandmother down there my whole entire family down there I flew like 10 people out to that pro bowl that year And so I checked in and I put my bag at the bills desk.

I didn't even check in the room. I put it by the bills desk and I went to go look for Jason Taylor. And so because I'm like, you know, if you want to, if you go and he was, he wasn't even like he was campaigning for himself. He was like talking shit to me about me. And I'm like, okay, you know, that's fine. But you got to see me at some point. Right. And so I didn't even check in my room and we stand at the Ilani Ilani in Waki Key.

I pulled my bag in the bills desk So I go off and look for Jason Taylor Well you have 10 people with you As anybody said hey probably don't They're in the other hotel Okay Did you tell them about your plans To go find Jason Taylor?

No so I had them to book me a room Because I was ready to get sent home Yeah right And so Okay I had a room at the other hotel And so And this is like in LT

And so I walked past In LTs and Lorenzo Neal was with me And I didn't talk to them I'd be right back And I walk right by them And so they was like Where you going? And so they started

to follow me. Because they knew something was up. Because they knew something was up. And so Gene Upshaw at the, you know, Gene Upshaw, they got Gene Upshaw. And so Gene Upshaw is one to stop me. And I was on the way I seen, I end up seeing Jason Taylor. And I was B-Lin-L-T, Lorenzo O'Neill,

and Gene Upshaw stopped me because I was going to go see him. Yeah. And they stayed, thank God, you know, just being young and hot-headed. They stopped, you know, he sat me down and said, say, hey, Sean, you can't, you know, you can't do this. And I was like, well, if he, I just wanted him to say the same shit he said to me, right? Yeah, but what happens if he says the same shit to you?

Well, he said, you know, it's, yeah, lighted out. Yeah, it was going to be bad, you know, because I had already plan to go home. I was going to plan to get sent home anyway. And I was just, my family to book an extra hotel. They flew out there. I'm just enjoyed my family for the week. I'm fine, right? Right. And so they sat down, they all sat me down.

Jane Upshaw, Lorenzo, Niel, and L.T. set me down and said, you know, we couldn't do this. Maybe you should go talk to him. Let us go talk to him. So, Gene Upshaw, I believe, end up going to talking to Jason Taylor and let him know, like, what really happened, right? That this wasn't intentional. Like, I wasn't like just some steroid head that's out here taking shit to beat the system. And so everything diffused, but I look back on the now.

I'm like, dude, what the hell were you? Like, why would you? Yeah. Did you talk to Jason? No. I've seen him a couple times, but I didn't. We never really talked about that. You know, we never really talked about that.

Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad, dude. But you guys got to practice. Like, there is practice, and you're both in the AFC. So obviously you're on the same field together. Yeah. So during the week, is it like, I'll stay on this side? You stay on the, you guys kind of just... I think after Gene Epshaw talked to him, and I think...

And you knew, like, hey, this is the conversation that they had. Yeah, that they had. It was kind of water under the bridge. I mean, we never became best friends or anything. But I think it was a better understanding of what happened. Yeah. You know, so I never really got a chance to an opportunity to talk. to him about that.

Because you imagine if you get suspended for steroids and then you go to the Pro Bowl and you beat the shit out of Jason Taylor or you fight him, you would essentially prove everybody right. Like you would never be able to get out of that. Not only is he a steroid, you said, fuck. That's crazy. It was, you know, um, no, I do. I'm, I'm glad, like I said, I had some older guys that were, you know, kind of leaving

the right there, like LTE and Lorenzo, never. Like I can thank them so much for everything they've done, but mainly stuff like that, right? Because they didn't have to, but they knew me. me well enough to know when I B-line passed him then something was going to happen something's going down. Right. Yeah. Right. He followed me and then they, I think Lonell might have acted and by the way, Loenil's a championship

champion wrestler, right? Oh, for real. Oh, yeah. Like, Loanil's like top in wrestler. And so he grabbed me and was like you can't physically. It's like you can't you can't do this. Right. So it's really him L-T and then Gene Upshaw. Was there ever a time in practice? Because

listen, fighting in practice is just like it happens all the time. Yeah. Yeah. They obviously they had to know when you beeline past that you're going to do something. What made them know that if you walk past them, you're doing, you're up to something. I was good for a fighter to every training camp. Had to book it. Yeah. Yeah.

Prison rules. Essentially someone wants to try you. It's like, all right. Yeah, it was. It was one of those things. And then you know how it is. You just see the same guy every day. So don't take much at that point.

Like an extra shove right after the plane. Grabbing the jerseys, you try to walk away and they're still holding on to it. Yeah. Yeah. We would have. Yeah, for sure. For sure. But, dude, like, it happens all time.

I'm thinking, yeah, I mean, maybe with one or two guys. Yeah, there was always, yeah, yeah, right, right. But I'll say this, man. Listen, I see your neck and I realized I would have been, I would have been in a bit of a situation, but I would have swung. I want you to know that. No, for sure, dude.

I would have been back down. I would have more respect if you did swing back on me in the first place. I would have swung first. For sure. I think of myself, God damn. That's a big ass cat. But, you know, I play with some dogs, like Chris Dillman and those guys, dude, they're running.

Nick Harwick. I played with some guys. Yeah, Hardwick, center, right? Yeah, center. Dunned up. Yeah. Head to toe. Yeah.

All of those guys were badass to do. So we batted all the time, but, man, I have so much respect from guys, for real. What about when you get off the field? Let's say you get in a Bayfist fight. How are you handling yourself after that? Are you need to calm down or is it, hey, what's on the field stays on the field? I didn't really fight much off the field. Yeah?

No. No, never. I'd have been on the right side of defense with him. Oh, yeah. Just got him still. Hey, you want more of this shit? Hey, John, hey, good shit. Just talking shit, knowing we got the junkyard dog ready to go.

Which crazy is you talk about fighting people. You've swung at me in a game and in practice. I've never swung at you in practice. That walked through practice we had. Well, yeah, we're in a walk-through practice, and he's just running me to the sideline in a walk-through practice. It's a jog-through. But I had to let Willie know.

Sometimes you're going to get on the edge. It's going to happen to you. He's a standing blind back. You just drove him out to screen? What's that? You just drove him out. It was a jog through type situation. Four pieces of game.

We're all out. We're not playing. So we're just going through a walk through. Right. And they just trying to get a shift where the mic comes down. Were you playing with the bear? Was it? No,

no, we're on the same team. No, and I'm just saying like, were you playing around with him? Yeah, yeah. He's just trying to let me know like,

okay, you don't belong on the edge. Yeah, you don't belong. You're not sending a nice for anybody. And I was like, I want to show Will. Like, when you play down here, this is what happens. And we,

You were kind of mad for a couple days. I know I wasn't, bro. Man, you were kind of acting like a bitch. Remember that? Dude, who, okay, you brought up a lot of teammates. Who's your favorite teammate of all time? Man, we had, man, we had such a closed group, you know, like, me and Dee Sproul, like a lot of them, we still talk almost every day.

You know, I was just talking to DeSprose as I was walking up. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. Below Neal, L.T. Tones, probably, my boy, Antonio Gates. Phil, dude. Like, I love Phil. to death.

I do, I love everything about Phil. The thing is I hated him when he was at NC State because I was at Maryland. And dude, I hated his guts, bro.

Like I, every time I saw, like I said, I want to do something to him every time I saw him. Yeah. Because you see him on a film and he just,

at the time when you're watching the film we watch, there's no sound, right? You don't have the commentary. It's got the, the angle and the two wide angle. Right. And you just see him doing that.

He's just chirping. He's just chirping. I'm like, dude, I'm gonna, I'm gonna kick his ass, right? And, every time he never beat us when he was at NC State Maryland never beat us not one time

and it was his last play his senior year it was my sophomore year and I hit field in back of the end zone it's at NC State and we beat them that game and I'd hit him in the back of the end zone and I kind of push up off of him right as I'm walking away he ankle locks me grabs my ankle and starts to Philip Rivers. Philip

grabs my ankle and start to twist it Data rolled you. A full-on ankle lock, bro. Like, my ankle was, I was like, and I couldn't believe it that he was, somebody, a quarterback was doing this. Yeah. There's a picture of him somewhere.

Me and him standing up in the back of the end zone about to square off and fight. And he walked right up on me, he was about to, we were about to fight in the back of the end zone. And at that moment, man, he got my response. I was like, man, this dude is tough. No shit.

This is when y'all in college. There is. There it is. Yeah, there it is. That is so. Philip Rivers is like a notorious shit talker that never, curses ever. It's unbelievable because at that time,

his team, his teammates at NC State loved him. And I didn't know how like, he's a asshole, you know, like he's always talking. And when I got there, my rookie year,

and you got a chance to be around him, and you saw that competitive spirit. And it was nonstop. It wasn't even on the field anymore. It was dominoes. It was cars. It was, he'll walk by you in a gym.

And, you know, we're playing, let's call it Seattle Seahawks or whatever. And Walter Jones, you know, all pro, Walter Jones is there. And I got the,

you know, just during the season, I got the 120s on the dumbbells. I'm cranking the mile for 10. He'll walk by me. Like, you know, he got Walter Jones. There was 120s.

Not going to do nothing, right. This is him. Just nonstop. Constantly talking. Just, bro, just nonstop. And I go and I grabbed the 130s. Now I'm pissed off,

you know? And so it was with him. And I'm glad that everybody's getting an opportunity to see him because we've got the audio. Now, now he's like praised for, But there was a time

where Philip was seriously hated. He was like the Jake, like he was really looped in with Jay Cutler a lot and this dude's asshole and he talks trash. They had pictures and videos of him talking trash. We were playing a coach and the champion in playoffs. Yeah. So he had this thing about it on people just like,

oh, this dude's a jerk. And he wasn't at all. And I was like, man, I wish you just, I wish you got a chance to know him. Yeah. Because he's not being serious at all. It's not like he's a type, man. If you hit him,

he'll tap you on a head, Hey, you almost got me. Next time you got to... You're right. And you're like, why are you talking? Right. Why are you talking so much? God.

But you start to, over time, you just started to appreciate his competitive. And for sure, the most competitive player I've played with. Something about these old school quarterbacks just seem like they're like great, like shit talkers, pranking. We had Peyton Manning on.

He was talking about the pranks he would do. Tom Brady, I've heard, done a lot of pranks. Was he a big prank guy at all? Oh, did he never stop playing? He was the biggest kid, as you can ever imagine. Yeah. He, um, so I used to break down the huddle. before I began, you know, kind of

jump, jump, let's get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so Phillips will start imitate me everything that I do. And he can, he can walk, he can walk like me. It's the craziest thing ever, bro. He's a, he's a big kid.

Yeah. And so he's like, he's like the kid, you got to watch you just stay around because they repeat. So he's had to mock you, yeah. They had to mock you, right? And so he's had these things of the freestyle Fridays.

Yeah. You know, you know, Friday's. And so we would have whatever the hottest song at that time on the radio we would play it all the time in the locker room. And again, you got to watch Philip because he would listen. He watches and listens to everything. Even if he's not saying that he's watching you. It's like a

comedian that's waiting a bus jokes on you that he's just waiting and he watches everything you do. And so whatever the hottest radio show was on, as we were in the team meeting room, in the defense team meeting room. And we're sitting there watching the film and we hear somebody coming down in a hallway but they're rapping. Who's that? They're loud. We got up. It's like, walk by the doing

this, Philip. Rapping to whatever the hottest track was on the radio. I mean, straight bars. Just staying current. Staying relevant. Yeah. And it was almost like one of these things where he just picked up on everything you did. And he would wrap whatever the later song was.

Was Drew Breeze rapping? No, dude. Drew Drew, Drew, Drew was like always locked in, bro. You know, like, just really focus,

going straight to whatever he's doing. Like, he didn't really joke around the whole lot. But it was cool to see that because when I walked in the locker room, he got Drew Breeze as a starter. He got Philip Rivers, the backup. Crazy.

Which is nuts. Nuts, bro. And then you also, in Buffalo, who was it, Fitzmagic? Yep, yeah, Fitchie's the quarterback. Just three very very. very unique personalities.

Yeah. What did Fitz, I heard this rumor about Fitz that he would get Yeti Coolers for his office alignment every single year with his face on it. Did that hold true in Buffalo? I think so. I think so. He was on the Titans, I think the year before I got there and everybody had a Yeti cooler, like the big one.

Yeah. With his little, like a silhouette of his face and beard all on that thing. Yeah. At the time I was, I was single, so I was like looking at girls and stuff on social media. Yeah. And so sometime I would, you know, looking at stuff on this on social media and I would have my phone down. You will come to my locker every day and just look. He's like, who do you got?

Who do we got today? Who do we got out there today? Dog, that is so funny. He was the, I played with some, I played with some great dudes, man. And he's definitely one of them. He's up there for sure. How was the transition going from L.A. to Buffalo? Oh, no, go ahead.

Sorry, I thought you were transitioning out of NFL, but go ahead. No, yeah, transitioning going from L.A. where you were at the impact you made in L.A. and then going out to Buffalo. Well, so I got waved by the charges. I had so many injuries to back to back. You were talking about the compensation thing. Like, my killies were partially torn.

They kept tearing a little bit more and a little bit more of the time until it eventually popped. But at the time, I was compensated. So I had a calf, a hip, a knee. It was just constant. And I just couldn't stay healthy. So finally, they had to stop the bleed

and they wave me. And then when you get waived at the time, the team with the worst record gets for Zibs. And at the time, like Buffalo's 0 and 6, I think. O and 6 or 7. Where's your mental at when you get waves? Like all that you can't stay healthy. Obviously, you get in the tank.

It's an up and down ride. Like, where were you at mentally? I was shocked and it didn't really hit me until I left the building. And so I remember going to, my coaches were crying. I mean, Pags, Pagano. I mean, Mnowski. Everybody was just like, it was like a dark cloud that day because I don't think anybody's, anybody saw me ever leaving the charges.

Right. But I just had, I had so many injuries at that time. They had, it just, I couldn't say healthy. Mm-hmm. And so, I mean, even when I was talking to the Dean and owner, it was just, it was a sad, it was a very sad day in that building. And, you know, yeah, it was like, Norve, it was bad. It was like, it was a really bad day.

And so I, I left. and then when I walked out the building that's when it hit me because right then you got somebody to come up and tell you you got to go see the owner you go see the coaches so you're talking to everybody but you're not getting the opportunity

to take all of that in yet and it didn't hit me until I walked out the building I got in the car and it was like I didn't cry man but I sat there and like man is this is this real? Like did I just get cut?

Yeah. Because you know I've never been cut for anything in my life. Right. And so I think for me I, you know, hate what people say it's humbling, right? Because it wasn't like I wasn't humble.

You just didn't see that happening to you. You know what I mean? Like, you know that people pass away and that's part of life, but you don't feel that until there's somebody really, really close to you. You know, it's one of those things where I was like, you've seen people get cut all the time. You know, I think that I think the year before or around that time, like L.T.

Darren Sproul. It was guys, Michael Turner who loved and what the L. So you knew it was guys, you know, first round draft. picks and so it was leaving. So I knew it was at one point it was going to happen, it was just how and when it happened. I was shocked. Yeah.

And so I got home and I would say like not even a day or two. Well, a couple days went by. And I think that year, me and Randy Moss, because he was waived too, me and Randy Moss had the most teams that would claim us off of waivers. Because that normally you go through the waiver wire and then you can pick and choose with team. Then you're a real free agent. I think that year, me and Randy Moss had tied for like four to six teams that picked this up on the waivers.

But Buffalo had the worst record. And so Buddy Nix, who was behind A.J. Smith, the general manager in San Diego, he was now the general manager in Buffalo. So I remember buddy Nick's call to me and he was like, you know, Sean, we can really use you out here in Buffalo. And, you know, he talked like five minutes. I said, look, buddy, I love you to death man, but I'm not. coming out there. I'm not going. And it wasn't because of the city of Buffalo. They were 0-6. They had no, they basically knocked out of the playoffs in the middle of the season, right? Before the night before the middle of the season, they were pretty much done. And I said,

buddy, look, I, you know, I love you to death, man, but let me go into a team that may go to the playoffs, right? And then after the season, now you got my word. I'll come, you'll be the first visit I'll take after the season. And he said, no, we want you out here now. And, you know, we think you help us out in the locker room. And I know, you know, you'll help us out in the locker room. And I know, you can bring. I said, buddy, I hear you, but I'm not coming. I hung up. I hung up the phone. On a GM. Yeah. Yeah, on the gym. How quick does he call back? 15 minutes. 15, 20 minutes. And so he called back 15, 20 minutes. He said, Sean, I just want to let you know we put in your contract in the NFL. I said, buddy, I don't care what y'all doing. I'm not coming. So there it is.

I hung up again. Call back right back. They say, well, if you don't come, it's $25,000. a day, fine. I said, well, when y'all sending that plane? No fucking doubt. Gotta get on the right away. Dude, so this is like a Monday or Tuesday. I've got it was Monday or Tuesday, but they were literally sitting a plane the next day.

And I said, hey, buddy. And then Russell Brandon was there too, who's the president, I believe, at the time. And I said, guys, just give me to a Thursday. Can you send a plane on Thursday? I'm leaving San Diego to come to Buffalo. I need some time to pack and all this. other stuff.

So I got on the plane and, you know, I looked at the weather in New York. Yeah. But I didn't look at the weather in Buffalo, which is totally different world. Yeah. You know, weather. So I got on the sweatshirt, some basketball shorts and flip-flops on the plane. I got my suitcase and all that. And so I got there and I'm landing.

Dude, there's a full-on blizzard. There's a full-on blizzard. Toes frozen when you get off that plane. Dude, I mean, it's full-on blizzard outside. And I remember stepping off the plane and then Buddy and then Russell Brandon's got there. They were at the end of the runway. I couldn't see him. That's how bad the weather was.

I hadn't, I couldn't see them. And I remember, what have I got my son? I looked up into the sky. I was like, man, I go to church sometimes and like, I go to do a lot of charity. Yeah. I thought I was like, man, what did I? Why? You know, what did I do?

And I was dreading it, man, not because it's really the, it wouldn't just like the sitting in the weather, like, they just didn't have it. So you're playing for what? Right. They're not going to playoffs, right? But dude, it was, honestly, I'll say that it was the best thing that ever happened to me in my career because I got out there, man, you got a chance to see that fan base and like those people, and I was just out there this past Sunday with them.

Dude, I was like, man, you, I played, you know, you feel like you were playing for like family, you know, second cousin or, you know, extended for like you do. I got my mom watching the game. You know, you got family of the game, so you can't disappoint them. So I had that feeling with them. Like, I couldn't disappoint these people because of the love that they had for their team. Dude, you could be the second or third string kicker. You're a man.

Really? You get what I'm saying? Yes. All there is out there. Yeah, man. Best tailgates ever? It's something unlike anything. And I know we, like a lot of people see the table jumping and all the stuff,

which is how they got on the map, like in a big way, because of social media. everything else. But, dude, it honestly, I remember I were down eating, I was in a restaurant, Chippewa, downtown, and people just walking by me were like, yo, what's up, Lites? And kept walking. No pictures, no nothing.

And it was just like, too, like, there was a cousin that I haven't seen in a while. That's cool. You know? And so, yeah, it's something I'm like, man, this is, it's a, it's a very, very special place. I wish, like, all these guys to get, the playing like front of not so great fan bases,

or ones that are not really homegrown, like those, I wish they get his hands to experience something like that. It's different. I had myself a little entanglement with the Bills Mafia one time. It was right after my suspension

we played the Bills. The game was like 13 to 10. And Shaq Lawson, who was like a backup, was like, talk shit. And so I tweeted at him. Put my phone down, like an hour later, I had like 200 responses

just Bills people murdering me. Just, I have the odd Wi-Fi up there. They fucking got after me. I will never get in. entanglement with them ever again. Dude, it's so passionate. It's unreal, man. And I think that for them, there's a lot of pride in, in like that group.

You feel like you're at a college game. Like, when I was there Sunday, dude, you don't feel like all the glitz and glamour, the pro games. Like, you feel like you're at some school in the South, right? You know what I mean? Like tailgating and all this other. Like it's just a different kind of community. Yeah, 100%.

How big of a difference was it between Buffalo and San Diego as far as the fans went? I think, well, it's so much to do in San Diego. Yeah. Right? Like, for you to take your three hours of your day or four hours to go to a game, it was a lot because you got the nice weather, you got food, you got beaches and everything. Yeah, you can do whatever you want. You do whatever you want.

I think the difference is what us is that we were so good. We have so many stars on a team from L.T. And Phillip and Gates and all these guys that people came because of the winning. Right. You know, and like, is this year going to be the year? Yeah. And so people came there. And the cue was right.

You know, I mean, we had that place ridiculously, like just crazy. And I still, even looking at the nail, I get chills because I was always the last one to come out the tunnel. No, that's true. Every game. And I did that because of Ray Lewis. So my sophomore year in high school, my coach, my high school coaches, remember I was living with them at the time. They say, hey, you want to see a lineback at play. And I'm not, I'm watching football, but I wasn't watching just yet, you know, it wasn't like.

Yeah, you were digesting. I was that, yeah. Yeah. And so they, they scraped up some money. up some money and they took me to a Ravens game. This is in 2000, 2000. We sat all the way up there near the light bulbs. We had no, we had no money to. So we were like six seats up. I could turn around you and like start changing on light bulb and shit. It was like we were out. It was the one you're so high up there where you look over your stomach drop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were up there.

Yeah, we were up there. And so they introduced everybody. They had all these guys sharper and and Goose and Sam Adams and ballware. Like they had Ed, you know, I mean, they were stacked. Chris McCallas, they had that team that would only allow, what, 11 points a game or 10 points,

something crazy, right? Everybody comes out and the, you know, the people allow out, and then it just gets silent. A big pause. And all, in the music drop, it was a Nelly. It's getting.

So, Ray, came out, the fireworks and smoke. And so when I was growing up, man, I used to laugh at people that used to pass out of concerts. Yeah. You know, a prince or a Michael Jackson concert. I'm like, look at this dumb at me. But he's just a person.

Yeah. You know, you're just a human being. Like, why are you acting like that towards another human being, right? I always thought it was dumb. Dude, until I saw Ray Lewis. And so it came out there and it was quiet. They introduced everybody. It was already loud, but it just got this pause.

And then it just a place. went crazy and I didn't know what was happening. Fireworks, smoke, and then they were playing up, Nelly is getting hot in here, and he came out and was doing it, and I thought I was going to pass out.

Bro, I thought I was going to pass out. Just seeing this small little speck on the floor. It was so high up. It was so hot. If it wasn't for that Jumbotron, I would have thought like ants were down there, like, moonwalking, right? I would have no clue.

But I saw it, and I looked at my coaches, and I was like, man, I'm going to make people feel like how I, just felt. And so when I got to the charges, we had, there was a guy there who was six or seven years in, um, Quincy Scott, I think his name was, something like that. And he was the last one that was coming out. And I looked at him, said, I'm coming out last from now on. As a rookie. That's a rookie. Okay. As a rookie. That's crazy. So, so I, you got it. And, um, and that's

where the whole thing started. But yeah, I, I, I, you know, for me, I just, um, I was like, man, that shit, it did something to me that day. And I never, you know, when stuff happened to as you was a kid, whether it's good trauma or bad trauma, and you remember that. Poor memory. Yes. And I remember that at that time. And I was like, I'm, I looked at my coaches.

I said, I'm going to make people feel like this one day. And that was it. That's all I started. I actually come out last. Doc, that is awesome. How sick is that, bro, to like look back on your career and know you got to accomplish things that a rare group of people get to do? Yeah.

And the cool thing about it, too. man it's um like even now like when i go back to buffalo and i've been retired i'm almost well i've retired 13-ish you know year um and the game has changed is evolved and all this other stuff and when i came came out like social media was just starting to come around right so you see all these guys now they got like big social media following so you look you think now that right jroth had 20 million back then at that time was that big yeah because it was it was huge man it was like it was a lot of It was a lot of shit, you know. How hard was it to face kind of your mortality in the NFL?

Like when you started to just not be able to put it together anymore in Buffalo, you know, the injuries, whatever it is. Like how hard was it to kind of like wrap your arms around? Hey, this could be coming to an end for me. It was difficult because I played the game to be the best of what I do. And once I realized I couldn't be the best anymore, it was hard. That part. But also, too, my career was cut short that I wasn't going to be named one of the best

that ever did it in my position. Right. No Hall of Fame. No, none of that stuff because I was, I got hurt. You know, I was injured. Yeah. And everything was just kind of derailed. So you had like, I don't know if you call it like resentment. What's the right word? Like, um, you just kind of feel jaded. Jaded. Yeah. You feel, you feel jaded. Yeah. So you feel jaded because you knew it on the trajectory where you were going. Even the suspense stuff. Like people talk about the suspending. Like, oh, he fell off. What you're forgetting? Like I also was all pro the following year. All pro. All pro. the following year. I was also up there. I think top five or top seven for the defensive player the year again. You know, so I think that when people see it,

like the longevity, but 07 is when I got hurt. I told my PCL and LCL and then everything. And Achilles went like a year or so after that from the compensation. Yeah. But yeah, I just, I felt like, man, I was like, damn, I'm never going to get a chance to get a jacket.

And I'm never going to get a chance to be, known as the best that because that's all I wanted I wanted to be known as the best of what I did you know and you want the championships what it's all that those are team things that you can't control but when you walk away from the game you want to be known as one of the best that ever did I knew that I wasn't going to be able to do that anymore so that was that was the hardest thing to accept yeah knowing that I was going to walk away and I was not going to have another opportunity to go back out there and finish that yeah yeah that's tough man yeah it's always it's always hard when you figure out the dream's over yeah you even planning your whole life

And you're like, man, this is really the part that everybody talks about. Like, eventually you can't do it anymore. It just is a shitty feeling. Yeah. When you realize the end is near or you know you're going to retire, how quickly were you jumping into MMA, these entrepreneurial things? Yeah. When did that start?

So in the mid-2000s, I grew up, well, I grew up in Maryland and D.C., so my family members that were professional boxers. My uncles were all professional boxes. So I kind of grew up boxing anyway. And if I didn't play football, I was 100% going to fight. That was like the thing that I was going to do. you couldn't tell me anything different or that or WWW.

It was going to be... Every listener probably picked that up along this area. Yeah, they were probably... Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, I was going to box or going to WWE, which I end up doing

and work with the WWE, but I ended up, you know, picking football. So one day I was in a gym and Jay Glazer's gym. Okay. You know from Fox Sports. Yeah. And I was hitting the midst.

And he said like, damn, you can box. Yeah, you know, my uncle's boxers, not boxed a little bit or whatever. Have you ever tried in May? And I was like, no. He said, well, I think it can help you in football

with your hands and, you know, being more coordination. Coordination, being able to open your hips and get around the tackles. Yeah. You know, I said, shit, if it'll help me in football, sign me up. I'm in, right? So he sent me an address off of Librea in L.A.

And the next day I show up. And so I walk in a gym and Jake Glaze is here and Randy Gattors is right here. So Randy was still fighting at the time And so in my head I'm looking at Jay Glazer blade though I'm not fighting Randy Gator today I just want you to know

That's not where I came You know because you're looking like one of the most badass In the 2000s too In the 2000s too Like Randy was the real deal Yeah I think he actually had 40 or 41 It just won a championship

He was like the oldest champion ever At the time or something like that And so I went And I work with him doing Now, we were pumbling and working on hands and just kind of doing movement, where I was gassed. Like, I was just, we didn't even start the workout yet. And I was completely gassed. And when this happened, I realized it was something.

He just totally kicked my ass and he was like, not purposely, but he was throwing me around because he was my leverage and body. Yeah. And I couldn't understand like how he was able to do this. So I was at that point, I became intrigued. And like, how does somebody at, you know, 50 pounds less than I am able to just kind of move my body and toss me around like this. I was just intrigued.

Or he'll get me in a certain spot, and I just couldn't get up. He just keep taking me down. I just couldn't get it. So I text him, I got his number. I text him, dude, are you in tomorrow with time? So I'll get down my football workouts, and I'll drive up to L.A. You know, I'll go, because we had that workout bonus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I got to get the workout. Got to get it, right? And worked out in San Diego, and I would drive back to L.A. to go and workout with Randy. So I was going like three to two, three days a week at this time. And so finally, I just started every offseason and started working with him and started working with Chuck Liddell

and started being around Tito Ortiz and all these guys in the mid-2000s. Even like when Tyrone Woodley was coming in and he just really was getting his career going to the UFC, he was in the gym with us. And there was a couple other guys, dude, he was badass, like Clay Matthews, really, really good.

I think he might have seen Brian Cushing, you know, Cushing was doing stuff that time. Yeah, he's into the, Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I think he's like a Brown bill or something like that. You know, I was trying to get, I was trying to get Cush to fight in the front league. So, and so.

Yeah, he's a psycho too. Yeah, I love him. I love Cush, man. New Jersey, bro. Dude, the video of him with his helmet off going right to the offensive line for the Brown's face and just splitting his nose. Yeah, he's a psycho, man. I love Cush. Yeah.

I love Cicco. And so I just trained every all season. So I already kind of knew when I retired, I already knew what I wanted to do. And plus my rookie year when I first got my. check, I'm going to go buy all the trademarks and rights that lights out. This is my first thing I did. So when you say big purchase, it was the cars, but the other purchase I did is I... The big brain purchase. Yeah, the big

brain purchase was, it was a company called PJ Savage. It was a big pajama company in Irvine, California. I reached out to them, my friend of mine who was an IP attorney. And I said, dude, I want to, I want to go and get lights out. And so I end up buying lights out, I think, for like 150 grand or some 140 grand at that time. and I still didn't know what I wanted to do yet, but I knew I wanted to own it and then figure it out.

Right. So I bought it at that time. And then, so when I retired, I knew exactly what I wanted to do. And I started to even train more with MMA guys. And I was also in talk with Bellator. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in talk to Belator. It's like around 2014, 15, something like that,

somewhere around that area is like three or four years that they retired that I was going to fight. But at that time, I was like, ahead of my time because of what I was asking for money-wise, they looked at me like I was crazy. Yeah. And now they're kind of seeing what the Jake Pauls of the world and former athletes, like Levyon Bills fighting now.

Right. Frank Gore, like all these guys are getting into it. But I was just ahead of my time for the money I was asking. Yeah. Now it was, if Sean, former linebacker for the charges and bills, here. Right. It was just. No-brainer.

There was no-brainer. I just think at that time, they just wasn't ready to pay what I was asking for. And then I started to work a lot with the WWE. You know, so I was at the network, WW Network when they launched, I was broadcasting of WrestleMania's, Monday Night Rawls and SmackDowns, working with them.

And then I was at NFL Network or something like that at the time I was doing a broadcasting day. But the goal, what was going to happen was, I was going to train at the Performance Center with WWE down in Orlando. So I was playing half the time

with NFL Network and I would go train with the guys in NXT because that was going to be my first show. Yeah. And they were trying to fast track me to get me there. And the thing was it came up why I never really signed. One of the biggest reasons is that they wanted to own part of Lights Out. Because what people didn't know is like a lot of the WWE, they make their talent.

Right. They own those names. Right. So they own their IPs. Yeah. And they wanted a piece of yours. Yeah. And that's why I didn't work out.

Yeah. That was probably the main reason. Otherwise, they had a bunch of company stuff going on. They launched the W.W. Network at the time and it wasn't doing well. And so they ended up going to Peacock, but they're. cut like 10% of the entire staff across the company. So give me a big contract wasn't at the top

anymore at that time. And so, but I was still, were you looking to be like a WWU superstar? Yeah. I feel like that would be. I mean, it's kind of a no-brainer. The perfect character. Yeah. I, I, um, so what I did was what kind of kicked it off, they had a show on San Diego. I think it was one night stand on

pay-per-view. And I was talking to Paul, Triple H. And he was like, man, we're coming to San Diego. And it kind of, we're throwing some ideas back. and forth and I was like you know what shit I'm down let's do it and we they brought me out to this year TNA they brought me out to stand and see him punk had actually handed me um like a bamboo stick and I hit Chavez or Chavo one of the times or whatever so that kicked it all because it was a crazy reaction from the crowd and so at the time like Paul and triple H and everybody from wdb is like

yeah we got we got something you know we got something yeah and so we started to just talk and and try to figure it out. And it just didn't happen because of the time I think they were going through a lot of company stuff too. And I wasn't about to give lights out to nobody because I built that already. What were you looking at you? Obviously you're doing a couple of things with Lights Out now.

Yeah. Like I see the Lights Out TV streaming service. Yeah. I know you're in kind of with the bills too, right? You're streaming the East West Shrine game. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's massive. Yeah.

So what happened was when I got, because I got straight into TV out of the NFL network broadcasts a couple of years. ESPN, Fox Sports. And those panels are hard. Because it only like four people. Right. Right. So you got a thing, dude, like take a guy like JJ Watt who is no, everybody, you know,

know, no love big following. And now he's, you know, Hall of Fame got. And now he's retiring. It's like as a player, right? You, that next guy up, they're looking to draft somebody and they get you up out of there. Right. And so I was fortunate because I was at the launch of all these networks and shows and stuff like that.

So I've seen it created. it. So I didn't launch in my MMA League, Lights Out Extreme Fighting, in 2019. So ESPN, USC just left Fox Sports and went over to ESPN. And so at the time, I was shooting at Fox Sports. And so I got up one day and I created a marketing deck. I had somebody on the team put a four-page marketing deck together. And I think I was talking to Eric Shanks, the president of Fox Sports.

It was somebody there, Jamie Harrowitz. It was one of the guys that started a conversation with. And I said, hey, you guys looking to get back in MMA because you just lost the UFC. And it was like, Sean, in fact, we are. We're looking at a couple opportunities. I said, hey, I'm launching my MMA organization. They said, really? I said, yeah.

And I put down the marketing deck on the desk. And I left out. I just got off, I think Colin Kyle. I was on the herd show that day. I go down in the garage before I open my car door, my phone rings. And they said, are you still here? And I said, could you come back up? So got to be a great feeling

It was unreal because when you You know When you're talking to like shanks Or the president of Fox Sports Any one of the execs You're not expecting them to get back to you no time soon And I wasn't I was like

Just let you know I'm launching my MMA league Here it's called Lights Out Extreme Fighting Here it is So I go downstairs My phone rings And I know that Fox The Fox lot number

So I know like oh damn Somebody's called me from Fox So I went back upstairs They sent me to FS1 First And I pitched him the idea, told them what I wanted to do at FS1. They said, we love it.

And then they sent me to the regional. So we originally started out on Fox Sports West and Prime Ticket. That was my first deal that I negotiated, TV rights. They didn't pay us. They gave us a two-hour time slot. And I negotiated commercial time. So I sold sponsorship in commercials. So every hour, you get about 16 minutes worth of commercials.

And so I negotiated, gave Fox. The Fox got their eight minutes. We got our eight minutes. this every hour. So I got 16 minutes worth of commercials, plus all those sponsors. So I literally launched this company with sponsors and Fox Sports. And then we went to like 10 other regions in the country and then the rest was kind of history. No shit. And there's your brainchild the whole entire time. That is fucking awesome. What's the thought, what's the thought process of like I guess explain the market of like getting in a world where it feels like the UFC is the

is the Premier League for fighting? Yeah. Well, you, I think that every major league, needs a minor league anyway. Everyone. You know, I think everyone, and UFC, they got tons of leagues they pour talent from.

Right. But what you hope to have, like, the best talent in yours or the talent from you keep going there. Because it's going to make more and more guys go.

And so when we first launch, I think the idea to everybody else, like, oh, you can't be big because UFC's there. It's like, no, that's the opposite.

You, first of all, if you're a real feeder, if UFC is looking at you and they're saying, oh, they got like some, I'm killing.

down there. They got some dogs. We can go pull our talent. We know they're going to be able to compete against the guys we have with guys we match them up against. Yeah. Because they already been through the ringer when they come to Lights Out Extreme Fighting. So, what happened was I started looking around, man, and looking at

all-sports streaming platforms. Right? I've been at Fox, been at WWW Network, been at ESP and all these places. And I was like, I know this broadcasting, TV and streaming, and I had a lot of relationships in a TV business. including streaming

because a lot of them like CBS was starting CBS Sports Network streaming it was kind of pivoting so I knew a lot of Paramount and Fox

and everyone else so my production actually when I first started out was all like former Fox Sports producers directors camera guys so I had a group

like a nice so my production we looked like we were we've been around for a decade yeah because we had

we had the eyeballs of because I understood TV and production so I started looking around like shit nobody out here is really doing

all sports like free ad support it Streaming service. And so a couple good friends of mine had launched Pluto. They found it and launched Pluto, the streaming service. So I actually was around them a lot. And so I was picking up on things and watched the growth to them and then watched the sale to Paramount.

You know, so I was like, nobody really focused in on sports and didn't make a free ad support. So I knew all the players in the business. So I would start calling people. I said, hey, how long you got there? You know, are you ready to leave? Hey, I got two months of my contract. I call me when you're done.

Yeah. And so I started putting everything in place. And so right now, Lightsout Sports TV, we're on every major smart TV in the world. iOS, Android. We got 30 different fast channels there like motorcross, motorsports. TNA wrestling you saw was on there too. That didn't stunt with them. Chess, poker go, world poker tours on there.

And then we got 300 different sports movies and documentaries. But it's all sports. No shit. Yeah, 16 different live sports. And then the big one that I just got was the East West Shrine Bowl. Yeah. Practices. So NFL Network still has the game for right now.

They have things the last year on the contract. So I don't know what's going to happen after that. But I made up the practice week. So they never really focused in on the practices. So just like the Senior Bowl, the Reese's Senior Bowl, like when you can watch practice unfold throughout the week, that week leading up to the game is going to be on. on lights out sports.

Yep. Nice. And that's like the most important part of the week. The game is kind of just cherry on top. This is why I really did this, man. I know sports, right? Like, I'm not going to sit up here and try to get in the big picture movies or shoot a lot of original content stuff outside of sports.

Like, when it comes to sports, as you just said, you started a thing, like, why the hell nobody ever done this? Right. All these guys are competing to improve their draft stock or to get drafted and you got you got GMs there during a week. You got NFL scouts, coaches, owners sometime will pop in to these things. I was like, this is the show. And so I'm producing the whole week, my production company, we're going in there,

and I'm having a damn camera right behind the wide receivers and DBs on one-on-ones. The one-on-one defense line against offense line. I'm having the cameras in that, like right there. So everybody can see it. But because we played it and you have, for me personally, it's like an authentic voice behind us to actually like want to do this shit. And love it. And so I think eventually even, even out, by the way, that week of the practice

is going to be something unreal. We got cameras and drones, like all kinds of crazy shit. A lot of side programming shows and talking to coaches, GMs, players. It's really, really going to be an interactive week. And I'm happy, like, East West, this is their 100th year. Like, this is a big year for them. And so they actually, I brought it up and they called right back and say, yeah, we're Sean, we see what you're doing.

And we want to be a part of it. And I was like, that was big. for them to choose that. And then after that, I get calls from the indoor football league is coming over. God, IFA is there too. Another emerging football league is coming at. The women's football league, number one women's football league will possibly have. And then this one that they're showing now, this was the mega monster that we launched

about a month and a half ago. The ultimate fan zone. The ultimate fan zone. And so again, as being former players, we know like the parts of the game that people love to see. And sometimes it's not the game. It's the things around it. Right.

The meet up. Yeah, the meetup. The fomo that you create like, you can watch the game from anywhere in the world. You can find the game somehow. You can't find a tailgate. And I started thinking. I was like, man, who is really doing this?

No one. Again, you would think somebody would have the week of practice for these restaurant bowls. The most important week because some of these guys won't get a lot of playing time anyway. Yeah. So I'm like, Why not make a week out of it?

So you make a whole show out of it, which will also be shown in 90 airports. Yeah, they do it for the, I mean, they do it for the senior bowl. Why not? Why not the East West Shrine? Yep. So what's, if you could get the rights to one thing, what would it be for your production company? Oh, nice question. NFL preseason games.

You don't want a game? You want the preseason? Yeah, the preseason game. Because I think you can get more creative. I see your mindset. I see where your mindset is. Yeah, absolutely. Why fight over what everybody's fighting over when there's money to be made in these other spots? 100%. Yeah. And you make it to what people want to watch. You know, preseason for us, especially when you're a vet, you're like, you like want this shit to hurry up.

You want to get their 10 plays out of the way and you want to get your series of two and be done. Yeah. And so, but I think for the fans to get excited about the season, there's so many creative things that I would do for a preseason game to make people watch. And it's loose. The players are loose. They feel, you, it's loose. The players are loose. They feel you. Something about seeing a player with their shoulder pads unbuckled. The jersey up and a bag of seeds in their mouth. Yeah. There's something about that makes a fan go, bro, he's kind of like us. Yeah.

And the only real thing out there that does it is like, what, hard knocks? Yeah. That's it. That would be the only thing. And it's only on one team, you know what I mean? Because you kind of see the backstory within preseason. Because like you said, no one really cares about, you know, you get your series or two. But outside of that, it's like you, you like to tune into hard knocks because you're seeing the actual reality.

Yeah. Yeah. But if you're able to take one of the top players. wearing a bucket hat hanging out and you put a microphone on them in the middle of a game people want to know that stuff you want to see so creative because the thing is it's the reason why I created the fans don't because it's number one fan engagement mechanism you can get to get to the number one you can't get closer to the fans than that right you can be in the stadium you can watch the games you can put them on the jumbo trom but you look these guys these guys these are all three former players my former teammates legadunei grig camereo and uh casemaz good all guys i played with and they just like this is the ultimate like fam hangout just Try food, drink a little bit, cornhole, music. It's like you don't get any better than this. And the Buffalo Bills one dropped tomorrow, dude. When I walked in, I just sold it up a little bit.

I ain't like it was like one of those things. Dude, it was unreal because they just, they do it different. And it's a different setup, right? And so you got ketchup and mustard. You know, guys, I did walking in Speedo. It's cold as hell outside, by the way. And you said, we got one shot doing a shot. show where you see a sea of people, it got to be every bit of $3,000 or close to it.

Yeah. Just back. This is a tailgate, dude. It's not like some, it looks like a concert. So when we drop that tomorrow on Lightside Sports, it's going to be massive. And, you know, in talks now to get to work with Snoop's youth league football team too. So we, my thing is I would like to get all 32 teams for tailgates. Right.

For sure. Rank them. Tell them what they do good. They don't rate them, the whole thing. I got so many, so many games. the tailgates should play against other teams. It's a whole game within a game. Yes.

And there's so many things I want to do. Hopefully, you know, talking to enough teams now that I think we, we shot three shows and the Charters just did one with the bills. I think I got a couple more with the bills. But mainly, man, just bring it. Do you know what I think, too, because I played in San Diego, which is a lot of military. Right. And, you know, these guys get, or women, they get deployed.

So they can't come to the tailgate. So all they get us that two minutes. Yo, I wish you were here, love. Yeah. You know, that. And I'm like, now you can watch. your friends and family on a tailgate. You're there.

Right. Also, I don't know about this, but why not go overseas where they're at and have a tailgate for them for their teams? So there's a thing that I just implemented for our fights where you can simulcast. So I'm working on that. So a lot of these of these troops that are overseas, I want something simulcast where we have them separate where they could feel like they're there at that tailgate, even though they're overseas.

I'm working on just that. That's fucking awesome, man. It sounds like a really cool project. That's got legs right now rolling. Yeah, man, it's massive. And this one, this one was shown in 90 airports. It was live. No shit.

It was 2400 plus games. That's cool, man. And in the fight game, like, what are the, like, the competitive edges you look to kind of, you know, magnify there? While you do that, I'm going to pay. Yeah. I think the biggest, the biggest thing is, like, I got, we built a platform for ourselves, right, playing in the NFL. Right. And, like, there's no bigger fan base than NFL football fans.

Yeah. Always will be king, at least in this country. Right. And so you kind of exposing these guys, these up and coming, like, superstars who are trying to make a name for themselves. Like, dude, imagine having a young Conn McGregor, right, or young Rhonda Rousey. Right. Or something. You can get them up there.

You kind of build them up, and then UFC get them a call, and they become some mega superstar, but they started with you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I think for us, we're trying to create superstars and give these guys a platform. Because we, just in the last two months, I think UFC signed. two of our guys in the last two months. That's awesome. That's awesome. You also do a lot in the charitable world as well.

Like anti-bullying and everything else. Yep. Speak on that, especially coming from the place that you did come from. Yeah, man. I think I hate bullies. I hate personal bullies. I hate corporate bullies. I hate any bully out there, man. Because to me, it was like we had this thing growing up. Like, I was always, I bullied the bully. You know, it was like the nice guy who was always nice

everybody, but kick your ass. Like, like, relax. You're going too far. Like, well, pick us somebody of your own size type of deal. And so I always hated bullies. And then obviously, we talked a little bit like how I grew up and we were homeless a couple different times.

Right. I started this winter coat drive at the University of Maryland that I got my 23rd annual coming up. Oh, that's awesome. On the 16th, which is in two weeks. And so this thing has been going. You know, now I got a 14-year-old son

and he's up in Jersey. So they all drive now. He's there at the cold drives and stuff. and hopefully after my ass has gone one of these days that, you know, he'll continue it on because, you know, we didn't, like, we were homeless, dude, and I remember those winters, we were cold as hell. We couldn't afford coats.

We actually put, like, socks on our hand. We put on three sweatshirts because we couldn't afford a nice coat, you know what I'm saying? And so I got this cold drive in two weeks. It's my 23rd annual. We collected over 30,000 coats over 22 years. That's amazing. No shit.

There's 23rd annual one coming up here. Yeah, in two weeks. That's awesome. At the University of Maryland, yeah. What's your biggest piece of advice to kids that you do, like, identify with that kind of see you that could potentially be on a similar path that you were on? Yeah, I think one of the biggest things I try to tell them is there's always light at the end of the tunnel. Like, when I was, we're going through as much stuff as I was.

Like my son, right, he's doing. My son's ranked number 14th in the country quarterback. Oh, no shit. I think he's number one in the jersey. I think he did that shit despite me, to be honest. We need to make him a Husker. Yeah. Yeah, look, I'm trying to court him from Maryland.

He was just at the Syracuse game last week, and they're Syracuse love him. But I think for me, like, going through what I went through now, because I was always constantly asking myself, like, shit, why, why do I'm like, I didn't do anything wrong? Like, I'm a good kid. I go to school. Yeah.

You know, I fight a little bit, you know, like, but that's the most you got out of me. And I was like, man, why has this shit happen to me? Like, why do I come, got to come home and there's no food? Right. Why don't, so you question yourself a lot. and, you know, good times don't always last. Neither does bad. Right.

And so, you know, any of these young kids are just going through something or fill down because suicide rates are up and, like, a lot of depression and anxiety and all this shit, just remember that there's always light, no matter what. There's always light, no matter what you're going through. It might be another week, might be a month. You might even have a bad year or some shit. Just know that you'll get through it and you'll be fine. And so I think that, especially younger kids when they're going through it,

and they got no outlet. Right. And I was so fortunate that football was an outlet for me because I feel bad, you know, people ask all the time or would you let your son play football? Like, yes. Yeah. 100%.

Because there's so many things I learned from the game that if I didn't play, I would have never been under surviving life. Right. I 100% believe if I didn't play football, I wouldn't be sitting there right now. Because it was an outlet for me. And it also taught me a lot of things like overcoming,

Like, dude, I mean, some of those summers, you're in training camp, you're running those half gases and shit. You've got to be a different individual sometime to. Right. The work ethic. Oh, man. Discipline, everything. Yeah.

Comes involved with being a football player. Selfless nature you kind of have to create. 100%. You know, dog tired and it's fourth down and, you know, fourth quarter, you're trying to get through it. You can't just go out thing quick because people are relying on you. Yeah, unless you're a quarterback for the Colts, you know, whatever you want. Tap out and just go take a couple of plays off.

Just get a couple plays off, whatever you want. Why not? part of the deal, man. No, it's good advice. It's good advice. Football does teach you so much more than X's an O's. Yeah, it's, I mean, there's very few people in the world that's going to put their shoulder to finger or something back in place

and get back in the game. Right. Throw some tape on that shit. Like, just you look back on it now, like, that was some sick shit. You know, like how, just our mindset and how, like, we looked at everything, like, you know, pain was weakness. It's interesting looking out of the world now and you see, like, a couple people get hurt, like you might be out with somebody and they, like, roll their ankle.

And they make it a big deal out of it. You're like, bro, come, bro. Come on. Right. Just like we know it's low. And with family involved now, you get removed from the game long enough and you just start to have just a different perspective. And you see the fishbow and the bubble that players get in mentally and you just know, like,

you have no clue until you get out of it. Right. What you're sweating right now is just, it's a weird, it's a weird psychology. You shouldn't get out of it either. Because a minute you zoom out a little bit and realize like, if you're not 100% focused on this thing, you're fucked. Yeah. Absolutely fucked.

Yeah. But the crazy thing. is you don't see that stuff to you or to you walk, get away from the game a little bit. You start looking at everything. Like, even now, dude, you guys, you know,

I asked my favorite team as I'm like, shit, man, I play on the team with L.T. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I remember walking in as a rookie looking at LLT like he was Jordan. Yeah.

You know, it's like, just Lidania. Just people being like, I can't believe you play with this person. That was your actual friend. Right. Someone you hung out with. Yep.

That's awesome, man. Should we get a twisted question? Yeah, let's get this twisty question. Because I'm excited about this one. Go ahead. Can I get that Twisted Tea add real quick? Let me tell you about Twisted Tea. It's actually a phenomenal little drink here. Twisted tea is a refreshing hard iced tea made with real brewed tea and 5% alcohol. It's full flavor. And by the way, very refreshing.

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Or Mitch. Or Mitch. Whichever wants to have enthusiasm. Some enthusiasm. All right. Twist the question this week. Kind of goes off of your lights out network and your lights out extreme fighting.

To save the world, would you rather have 100 tries to beat Brock Lesnar in his prime or a thousand tries to hit a whole in one? Brock. Okay. Yeah. That is a very... This is Eminus Prime.

Yeah. You understand that. National Championship at the University of Minnesota Wrestling. was a superstar at the WWE, heavyweight champion of the world, the UFC. Yeah. That's who you're taking 100 times. Yeah, I wouldn't need 100, though, to be honest.

That's the exact. How many tries you think it would take? Oh, God. Because, listen, if you were in the car, if you were in the driver's seat to save the world out of these two options, I'm elated to hear you say Brockland's. I'm like, okay, I do think that's our best shot. Yeah.

Yeah, I, I, um, yeah, probably not, not very many, to be honest. Yeah. Why is that? Where do you see the flaws in his game? What's going on? He couldn't stand up with me. He's a great wrestler. Great.

If you're saying that he'll wrestle him and take me down, I would not argue with that. You got a hundred tries. Yeah. But if he gets close enough where he's standing up with me, he doesn't have a shot. Yeah. That is, the way you said it, maybe believe you. But also. I heard he talked shit on your PED and getting Pro Bowl.

Yeah, that's why I wouldn't. There you go. You got to give me a Jones Corner on me, right? Yeah, he was talking some crazy shit. He's talking wild. I'll tell you this, dude, I have played nine holes of golf in my entire life. I don't care for golf one bit. I'm doing the thousand shots.

You're doing a thousand shots. Yeah, dude, I'm just not, you know, once upon a time. I think we talk about getting further removed. It seems like you've kept your edge for me. Yeah. I see people warming up. I'm like, goddamn, I did that. That is crazy.

No, I definitely had to look back from, like, getting cut blocked and shit. I'm like, you know, sometimes I'll grab my legs and my knees will lift them up. In the middle of the night. Sometimes you watch these cats playing on, you're just like, I can't believe I was out there, like, doing that. You see Seekwon Barkley yesterday. Doing the things he did. He did.

He did that shit. I grabbed both in my meniscus. Yeah. I said, see you put him later. I would have came down. My patella and my meniscus would just fell right out of the side of my legs. No doubt. No doubt.

But hey, good look with Brock Lesnar. Will? On the twist of question? Yeah. Maybe. I mean, are we talking part three here? Yeah. Oh, for sure.

Of course. For sure. I would say the thousand tries of golf. Like, no matter what, like, you get 100 tries, like, you got to think that one can land. And maybe all you needs one. Maybe I'm crazy. Right. But I would say your best bet is a thousand tries.

Just think about when you're on, like, a 10th, 57. And fucking, he knocks you out. And then you guys just both reset to being totally fine. The first one would happen, I'd be like, we might be fucked everybody. Yeah. Because I'm not built. I'd be like day after tomorrow. Yeah.

You know, no, why didn't pick the golf is because I know people. people that play golf almost every day and still suck. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. I just, I don't feel confident that I will go out there because I'm watching people who do this for 11 and who still come out some days and just look terrible. Yeah.

That's why I don't like golf now. I'm just like, dude, if I do something like repetitive, because we're told as athletes, you do something 10,000 times, you're going to do what? You'll be great. Yes. You can not be great doing that 10,000 times. You can come out and look great one day and they come out the next day and lay a goosey. Yeah.

I'm sick. He needs that one. You just need that one to save the world. Yeah. You see yourself, are you going to be fighting at some point? So I'm not against it. This is what I'm saying, I'm not against it, but I do respect these guys. I've jumped in training camps.

I've sparred. I still sparred a couple weeks ago at Randy Couture's gym up in Vegas. So I like to be around the guys. That's more importantly. I like to be around the guys and spar and stay with it because I feel better discipline-wise. Yeah. You know, like, I think we get done, dude, it's like, we feel like bombs a little bit. Like, we don't, we can't compete anymore.

Yeah. So I think I walk in some days and I'm like, oh, shit, I can still go. Like, I can still do it. Yeah. But the difference is that, and like us, like the pros versus Joe's, and people start talking. She's like, do, listen, I will knock your head off, right? You put on a pair of pads in the helmet, I will literally knock your head off. And so these fighters, like, they do this for a living.

Like, these guys trained six days, seven days a week, sometimes twice a day. And so I don't want to go down that. path unless I was fully committed. Because right now, you're like, with Lighthouse Sports. I'm like, I'm going to play every five days. You know, if I'm not meeting with a venue or casino or some kind of arena, it's a sponsor, it's like a nonstop

distribution deal. Like, we got some stuff possibly in the works come about the UFC Fight Pass. Yeah. That we're going to announce it soon too. And so these are, I'm doing these deals, you know, and so I'll get in a gym now and I'll sparring train when I can. Right. As opposed to, that's what I'm

doing. What about like a celebrity type of athlete. Yeah, yeah, for sure. You beat Jake Paul's ass, well, sure. He's just too small. He's, I think, I think Jake is really, I think Jake is really good. I've been saying this for like five years. I thought that Jake, when I first seen him train and Shane Mosley had called me one day.

And I watched this in 2019. And Shane said, hey, come up to my place in Big Bear and watch this kid, Jake Paul train. Like, he can actually go. And so I did. I drove up to Shane Mosley, plays. And I stayed that week and I train with him. And I watched Jake Paul working. I was like, dude, this dude is he's going to be really good.

Like really good. He was running up. We've been around athletes our whole life just. We know an athlete when we see one. Yeah. Running up the hills, digging, like pushing himself, like doing stuff that the normal person doesn't. You just know. You just, I just knew.

He has that drive. What's your stance on the Mike Tyson fight, him and Mike Tyson? I think if it gets outside of the third round, it's all Jake. I think Jake will hurt him bad. Really? Yeah. because Mike, the power never really, you don't lose the power as much. One of those inside shots will clip you.

You can, he can knock Jake out still at almost 60 years old. Yeah. Those inside punches, body punches, head movement, all that stuff Mike still has. One of those land that's going to hurt Jake bad. After the third round, Mike is just going to get tired. He can't go. I mean, his power and his stamina, his movement after the third round is just going to tank. Because your body just can't, at that age.

It's the stamina of the goals. Like somebody asks me now, could I play? I go a line up right now and play give you 12 plays. I'm not saying it would be great, but I can do it. But if you ask him to play 20, 25, I just, I can't. Keely's going to go. Keely's going to go to knees. Knees are buckling up.

You can't, you know, but I was on that neck pain you forgot about. Oh, for sure. For sure. You know, so I think Mike is going to look great for three rounds. And he got a chance to clip Jake Paul and knock him out. Or at least hurt him enough where he's not as dominating on the last. Right. As a person who's boxed before, there's a bunch of rumors,

obviously, that Jake Paul's fights are rigged. Yeah. Is there any truth of that in your mind? This is why I don't believe that those things true. Because if you're caught, you're done. You're like all the millions. So if you're caught doing this stuff, you're just, you're done. And nobody's going to come to a fight anymore.

You're not going to get pay-per-views. You're not going to get paid. So that one risk that you don't know if it does get out that you're rigging fights. This is why I say that I'm not saying it doesn't happen I'm just saying with this amount of money and situation on the line It's going to be hard to read because it's take one person from somebody's camp They say hey I was paid such and such take a dive Right once you do that and somebody find proof for that

You're done just get out to sport So he's too he's making too much money has too much opportunities Including his other businesses and everything he promotes to be tied to rigging fights So I'm not saying it doesn't happen I'm just saying for him it's too risky to do Yeah yeah I feel you I get it. I like that response too.

I think Jake Paul is going to see that clip. He's going to really appreciate it. Yeah. You don't like that. Should we hit the tier talk? I'm down. I'm down to hit tier talk. Do you want to explain tier talk?

Yeah. So tier talk is we're going to do best personal celebrations. You got tier three. You started tier three. Work your way up tier two. Tier one. It's basically your top three all time. You're going to say what your celebration is.

So it might be the lights out celebration. You give a little sizzle. You give a little feedback on why you think it belongs in that tier. And then that's ultimately that is. is tear talk. That is tier talk. That is tier talk. Do you have to go to the restroom? No, I'm good. I have to. I'm going to look up. This episode is brought to you by Body Armor Sports Drink. Real hydration, real ingredients, packed with electrolytes, vitamins, and nothing artificial. Body armor sports drinks has great

tasting flavors like the strawberry banana and the orange mango. Always delicious. Show them that bottle real quick. Phenomenal stuff. Every time you put in your body. Get yours today at Walmart or at your local grocery store near you. Let's get back to this episode. I think I'm way outgunned in this one. Now there's a lot of celebrations. I think my opinion, yeah, but I think my opinion is not going to. You want to start? Yeah, I'll start it.

Go ahead and start it off. I want to see this dad first. Oh, that was the one with a little sugar on it. That was Dallas. Whoa. Yeah. Oh. I sat the second half.

We were going into the playoffs. Coach, you need to rest my legs. Go, shoot, arrest me. So you exerted a little bit more energy because you knew that you had to. Yeah. The gentleman's dad? Yeah. All right.

I'm gonna, I just want to go up. I say, you know what? Fuck it, dude. I'm not going to tell you guys what I feel. I think the simplicity of a celebration goes a long way with me. The elaborates,

all that I feel like gets, I feel like it gets old after a while. My tier three is going to go to the OG feed me, coined and started by the Dinar Robinson, shoelace Robinson. He was actually the individual that started that celebration. Did it against her. House 8, who picked it up a year later,

is Ezekiel Elliott. You be the judge. My tier two. So it's one every tier? Yeah, so tier three is like the bottom. Okay, got it. Then tier one's your favorite. My tier two, this is going to sound crazy.

But a touchdown being scored, a home run being hit. You meet the other individual, not a whole lot of celebration, just a handshake. I think the handshake is it goes a long fucking way. And my tier one And this might be My old man Or everybody's old man Saying act like you've been there before

But when somebody Rockets off a crazy play And they don't even act like Nothing fucking happened And they just the walk off That to me is the best celebration out there Derek Henry It's probably the number one person

Doing that right now I think the walk off So the no celebration The no cellar I was going to say no selling Like this dude's just been doing this forever You're like You're like the dad talking about the Walter Paines and Barry Sanders.

Yeah. They never saw all. They never did nothing. He goes in hands the ball, the referee. You see that. Now, I am a celebrator. I am. If I was the one scoring touchdowns, you'd see me come up with something new every single week.

However, to me, when I watch it from a distance, I see somebody just store a touchdown, have an insane play. And then they'll walk up. No celebration. You're like, yo, this dude just must know something that we don't know. And that is my tear talk. Now what Will then tell you is we're going to go around the room. And everyone's going to give one word to say how they feel about your tier talk.

We'll start with Will. basic okay basic uh short and sweet hyphenated lame jack michigan that was nasty that was nasty it's kind of boring a little bit boring a little bit hyphenated yeah yeah okay boring a little bit hyphenated that's a good that that should be a quote graphic for coo yeah uh my tier three is going to go to chris johnson's touchdown celebration. I felt like I remember being a Nebraska guys are trying to mimic his celebration. What does he call it?

Chop City. Juke. Juking, right? Somebody. Yeah, bro. When Chris Johnson was scoring touchdowns, everybody was glued to the TV. People are trying to mimic it. My tier two is going to be, he had talked about it earlier, the Ray Lewis

pregame ritual coming out of the tunnel. I mean, just iconic. Especially if you're a linebacker. Like watching him do that, captivate an entire stadium. to the point to where the man can still go out and do it and the stadium goes crazy. That's legacy.

That's what Ray Lewis is about. My tier one is going to go, I'm going to enter in the wrestling world. WWF, WWE, the D-Generation X, the sucket sign. Yeah. Like that was taking the world by storm, bro. Yeah. And that is my tier one.

We're changed culture. And that is D-generation X. Yeah. Dude, that was, that was like an era Like that, that was the attitude era. Yeah, bro. That was the attitude era. Dude, like, I don't give a shit who you were.

I saw like grandmas. Yeah. Yeah. Grandmas were doing it. Yeah. That's my tear talk. Good. You hated that.

I hated it. Because you literally, you're just, I was like, what am I doing? He said no celebration was the tear. Yeah, that was pretty bad. Yeah, we'll talk about it after. Groundbrink. youthful attitude

hyped that's good from one of the line man so yeah yeah right Sean you have the floor you have the floor

oh tier three I'm gonna go I'm gonna go I'm gonna go to DeKimbe okay yeah

I come back out I had time to think so I'll come out strong um yeah I'm gonna go to Kimbe with the wag

I'm gonna go Ray Lewis well I'm gonna pick somebody did because I would pick he got Ray. Let's go, uh, this is a sleeper, bro,

who I should like a lot is, uh, Jared Island, the role. Yeah, bro. All right. That's a good one.

The whole time. Okay. Do you got to be all football, any sport. It can be any sport. I want W. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Rinaldo.

What does Rinaldo do? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm not a, oh. That's an icon. Yeah. All right.

Cultured. Yeah. Solid. Elite. Unreal. Yeah. This man, you all glazing like crazy. I got an international tear.

That was a great. That was solid. Hey, but yours, I mean, come on now. You know, so the first time when I did that, when that hit against Georgia Tech, my coach yanked me out the game. He pulled me out. And so I got the light switch from, you know, I'm pretending to do. turning the light switch on and off.

But at the time, I just pointed at it. And the crowd got louder. And I just, out of nowhere, I started jumping. I didn't plan it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just the body taking over. It's just, I definitely. This is in that first game or this is how it developed over time.

This is like, when I came off, in the video didn't show, when it came off, I was jumping up and down and doing it. My coach yanked me out of the game. Ralph Regent did. And he said, if you ever do that shit again, you'll never play here again. This is what he told me. So I go from up here because I had a big ass hit on ESPN. Like everybody's watching.

Like crowds. Ooh. So I went from here to like here in two seconds. And I got on the sideline and my defense coordinator, Coach Blackney, and everybody's like, what was that dance? You know, so just how people. Fliping the switch. It's called us the lights out dance.

I just threw that shit out there. I didn't think it was going to stick. And it stuck. And that's how I just kept. What made you do it again? Like, was it your D-Corner? Like, keep that shit up? Yeah.

I just pointed out after that because I got a penalty. Yeah. You know, and I got the game. Yeah. But when I got to the league, it was like all bets off. It was like, I do whatever you want. Oh, shit.

Man, I went, dude, it was, uh, even now, dude, I'll go like in the country and, and I'll see people doing the shit across the street. It's the craziest thing ever. I was in Miami, probably about six months ago. And I was going to, um, what's the steak joint down there, prime? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It was a group of, uh, of, uh, it was a group of, uh, uh, of people, like five or six people in the car,

like pulled up on a curve almost. I'm thinking I'm like, by to get robbed or some shit. I'm like, what is going on? They literally drove up on the curve. And one guy jumped out and the other guy stuck their arm out of the windows doing this. Let's fucking go. And I was like, yo, that was so, not just,

I was bending over, but because I couldn't even stand up and I was laughing my ass off and I was like pouring down tears. But it's cool, man, to sue people still doing that. Yeah. You probably had a run. It probably still happens where you got, Halloween just happened. Yeah.

It's where the Mohawk was going. The jerseys are on. There's plenty of that. Yeah. That's fucking awesome, man. You got any more questions? Dude, this has been all time. Like, when you were doing it, I was in high school, I was in college.

Like, you were the fucking man, bro. And it was fun to watch you then. And it's crazy to think now at 35 years old, I have a podcast and you were sitting on the bus. No, that's awesome. So thank you so much. I appreciate y'all, man. That's, you know, keep, dude, I tell anybody, obviously launching the streaming platform, and people don't know the difficulty of launching your own shit.

You know, so it's a lot of work behind the scenes and people see it, you know, but they don't know it all goes into it. And it's those days you're trying to figure shit out. Is this working? Is that not working? Are you kind of on your own in a way? And it's a big risk, you know, I launched my own damn streaming service. I was at Fulbo getting six-figure checks a fight, you know.

And so I finally were just like, fuck it. You know, I can do this shit on my own. Yeah, diving off the deep in your own. Just jump out there and do it. And so people don't understand the work that's, you know, kind of required into doing this. The sleepless nights, like, oh, we're doing it right. Or we got to put some more money here. Like, there's a lot of figuring out to do.

And, you know, I always say this, man, people are jealous or envious of the results, but they're never jealous of the work. Right. They're never, you know, jealous of the work. That's a bar too. You know what I'm saying? And people are just jealous or they hate. And I'm like, man, you're hating.

But you're, if you're, you're, you're, you're, you knew what I had to do to do this shit, you know, you guys go and get in your own facility, your own, you know, everything, if you're jealous of or, or Hayden or whatever the case is, does you want that, but you don't want that. You don't want that work. Right. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, kudos y'all, man, and congrats. And I'm, you know, a big fan of the show. If you look back at like the 20, the last 20 shows, y'all, I've liked everything, you know what saying? Let's fucking go. You know what I mean? I'm glad we can put the old Instagram comment to bed with Vernon.

Yeah, full circle No doubt, man But seriously appreciate it Thanks, man Like, subscribe, big hugs, tiny kisses Let's get a photo real quick Yeah, bro Hey, that was awesome

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