Bussin' With The Boys - Shedeur Sanders Wins, Greg Olsen On J.J. McCarthy + Taylor Lewan On Ohio State vs. Michigan

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

On this football recap, Will Compton and Taylor Lewan are joined by NFL legend and FOX analyst Greg Olsen to break down Week 12 of the NFL. The boys dive into Shedeur Sanders’ first career win for the Cleveland Browns, Myles Garrett’s dominance, and whether the Vikings should be concerned about J.J. McCarthy. They also discuss the Chiefs winning again and whether Will still believes they won’t make the playoffs, plus the Eagles blowing a 21-point lead to the Cowboys and suffering another tough loss.   Then in the College Football portion of the show, Rivalry Week takes center stage. Taylor gives a deep dive into The Game: Ohio State at Michigan, and the boys preview Vanderbilt at Tennessee, Texas A&M at Texas, and Nebraska at Iowa. They also get into all the potential CFP chaos, how the ACC and G5 could shake up the playoff picture, and who they think will win the Heisman Trophy between Jeremiyah Love, Diego Pavia, and Fernando Mendoza.   Timestamp Chapters:   0:00 Open 1:50 We Are Grateful 9:45 Bills VS. Texans 20:20 Greg Olsen Joins 22:25 Packers VS. Vikings 32:20 Browns VS. Raiders 42:40 Giants VS. Lions 49:15 Buccaneers VS. Rams 52:30 Eagles VS. Cowboys 1:01:40 Colts VS. Chiefs 1:19:50 Take The Points or Go For It? 1:29:50 Importance Of A Run Game 1:36:30 Offseason Training For The Kids 1:38:50 Winter Workouts 1:49:55 Seahawks VS. Titans 1:55:00 #TierTalk 1:58:05 NFC North 2:02:54 College Football Begins 2:03:16 Dan Lanning’s Comments 2:04:01 Oregon v USC 2:04:16 Rivalry Week 2:05:16 The Game 2:19:16 Championship Game Scenarios 2:28:06 Nebraska Has To Beat Iowa 2:37:46 Tennessee v Vanderbilt 2:40:06 Heisman Favorites 2:47:16 South Carolina v Clemson 2:48:16 Where Is Lane Kiffin Going? 2:52:41 Texas v Texas A&M See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Visit fandul.com slash Bussin to get started. Can I start this show negatively? and then we'll bring it back to positive somehow throughout the show. It's a week of gratitude. It's a week of gratitude. That's why. Let me get it out of the way right now. Do you mind?

You can start. You mind just, we'll do this. And then after that, we'll just be grateful from here on now. Cool? Yeah. Nothing pisses me off more, dude,

than when you order a coffee on Uber Eats or Postmates and you spend way too much money for a coffee, they bring you the coffee. You get an ice coffee, and it's filled to the brim with ice. And there's like six ounces of coffee. coffee in there. Is that not insane? Yeah. We're thankful for coffee.

Week, week of gratitude. I think it's it's okay to be negative in this small pocket. After this, I will be grateful. We're in a world where we get to be so lazy that we can just go to where we want to go and think I want an ice coffee. I don't want to get hot coffee that we have here at the shop. Like I want to get me an ice coffee. Let me just pull out my smartphone and dial in. Somebody's going to go pick up the coffee for you, bring it to you can throw them a dollar, a couple bucks tip, whatever. Yeah. But we get you can get ice coffee in your hands like that. Right.

And we're talking about ice to the brim. It's not done perfectly. Again, a week of gratitude. Right. And I'm going to say it again. We're using this small fucking pocket to say things we're pissed about so we can have even more gratitude. What makes great things so great? It's the lulls in life that make you appreciate when you have success and you get over these milestones in life.

Yeah. Okay. So I'm having. I'm bringing us down. a little bit so I can bring us up later and we'll be like wow how extra grateful are we because we had that pocket of negativity I'm gonna give you another one though because you say something you order on the app and all of a sudden we're giving out a little tip that's great if I order one singular coffee that coffee is 538 from the coffee place I like to go to then there's a

over each charge I get it you're running a business and then it says tip three dollars four dollars five that's that we got to get that out of that shit's got to go because I'll go custom every single time and put one fucking dollar because that is 20%. Maybe a little less is the 38 cents, but I don't do cents around here. Yeah. Okay? But if you are a barista, all right,

if you have the prestigious name of a barista and you see an Uber Eats order and it's an iced coffee, put half ice in there, half ice. Did you check extra ice on your coffee? Come on. Sure. You know I didn't.

Oh, that's weird because they gave you enough ice to fill a fucking baby pool with. That's right, because we're being a little negative right. now. What the fuck is that? What the fuck is that, dude? There you go. Okay. Is anybody have anything negative to say before we go to full gratitude from here to even through the blessing episode? Anybody? Yep, Mitch. Sometimes when you order, I just ordered nightstands this weekend. The amount of pieces that are in that, it took me and Brooke two and a half hours to build two

nightstands. It was a fun little bonding moment, but it's like, can we just lower the parts? Sorry. Lower the parts. Lower the parts. Lower the parts. Lower the parts. make it easier. Also, stop giving me that little ass screwdriver, dude. All right? Stop doing that. Like, if you're going to send something, say, hey, you need tools for this or just make it to where I can screw the shit in myself, right?

Well said. Love it. Anybody else want a bitch? I kind of want a bitch. Which, bitch, dude. Because we had to hit, we have to hit bottom floor right now in order to feel gratitude for Thanksgiving. Bitch, dude.

F my kids. Okay. Nebraska got their ass pummeled this weekend. We'll cover that college football. But Rue, sweetheart. She gets sick in the middle of the night on Friday night. That's bullshit. We do a little sleepover or Saturday, whenever it was.

Do a little sleepover. She wakes up at 4 in the morning and just starts project off vomiting all over the bed. Got some on Charo. I get woken up. My wife looks at me crazy because I just want to lay a towel down. I'm like, let's just get a towel down. We'll just keep them living. Can I take some two?

I've done that. Like big daddy, get the newspapers out, we'll cover it. She's like, are you serious? I was like, we got to get back to sleep. It's like 3.304 in the morning. She's like, yes. Dad's sleep is so important. She's like, it's on my side.

You don't have to lay in it. Look, you want to change your sheets? Let's change your sheets. Both you kind of get mad at each other and then just go to sleep kind of and then wake up the morning. She's just doing all the breaths. I'm just doing all the breaths. Yeah.

Dude, breaths. Breaths speak volumes. and marriages with kids. I like look at real, I'm like, come on where we get off the bed, mom wants to change your seats. And she just threw up,

she's like still wiping her face. Go ahead, get off. That's good, dude. Fuck your kids. You're saying that. I'm saying those are the words. I said F. I said F.

I said F. You're right. You're right. That was fucked up by me. And I'm because I'm being a nasty bitch right now. Let me, you've been down and out. You've been down and out

for quite a minute. Right. It's tough for me to be grateful when I'm learning how to walk again. I've spent 72 hours literally That's why in my head I'm thinking

if you're just holding the ice coffee in your hand you're like man all this shit that I've went through it's so nice to have this ice coffee

right but we've got it I don't want to explain myself again you know what we're doing right now Jack bitch about something

dude I'm gonna bitch about something oh my god I mean but I'm gonna be nasty be nasty clump is such a fraud first time that

hell yeah the falls win in Gainesville in 20 plus years it just happens to be weeks after Clump decides to be a Florida fan come in here and he's like dude he's like we're just wait we're good we got

kiffin coming and and clump hadn't said one thing hadn't been like hey man I was wrong hadn't said this he took florida money line Florida got their shit kicked in pushed in kicked in kicked and pushed and I don't know I the first thing I said to clump when I came was just pretty nasty and I it's just nice to know that he is truly the the reason that Florida will probably be in the shitter for the next five years. Ever since Clump has become a Florida fan, they have done

things they haven't done since 2003. Let's lose to Tennessee at home. Yeah. Anything you want to say, Clump? Yeah, Clum, bitch about something, dude. Don't say anything nice. Just say something nasty. I don't have anything really to bitch about, but I do believe in karma and, like, bad

vibes. And celebrating the Florida win is great, but Tennessee's about to get their shit packed in by Vandy on Saturday. And Diego Pavia is going to win the Heisman trophy after scoring five touchdowns. We got a college football show coming later. College football show coming later.

College football show coming later. We'll talk about it later. Should we get everyone feel good? Sure. Fuck porch pirates, dude. Just fuck them. Fuck them. They come over.

They steal your packages. They run away. That's so crazy that people still do that shit. Oh, oh. Porch. Yeah, porch. Hey, a lot of conversations on a podcast right now. A lot of convo.

Hey, just fuck porch pirates. That's all I have to say. And happy Thanksgiving, dude. Happy Thanksgiving. Have you seen the videos of people who, like, have their little cameras on their doors and the people steal the packages, but those packages are like, they have like glitter bombs. Yeah, glitter bombs inside of them. They're like, they get picked up.

And now, there's people go and they rush to their car and they get in their car. You just see like pink and blue explode in their car. And now the porch pirates are charging. those people with assault. It's like, what are we doing? What we doing? I said, oh, you know what we're doing, buddy. Oh, I stole their package and their package glitter bomb me.

That's assault. That's assault, brother. So, yeah, you should do that. Or move. I really want to you. Or move. Yeah. Because that's a crazy thing that people are doing still.

It's crazy. Shouldn't have that. NFL, crazy weekend in the NFL. By the way, boys, I am so grateful for you guys taking the time to be very negative with me. That was, I needed that onward and upward. We're going to be grateful from here and out. Let's be grateful for the Houston Texans and that defensive pass. Let's give a round of applause for that pass rush.

Was it seven, eight sacks in that game. The boys were absolutely hunting all day long. Their offense was okay, a little stagged it. They did enough to win the game, we'll say that. They did enough to win the game. They had Josh Allen running for his life all day. And the back end, that defense was sticking on the wide receivers. We all know, like, people have been very critical of the Buffalo Bills, wide receivers.

And I think they deserve a little bit of criticism. but we have to say a lot of good things about how that defense played. They played absolutely incredible in that game and made Josh Allen run for his life. Daniel Hunter, who's the other individual? Will Anderson? My God. A couple of robots rushing around the edge. It was unbelievable to watch.

And even when they miss the sack, the way they're able to get up off the turf and continue to hunt this man, that's what's impressive. The defense for the Houston Texans is for real. When you look at their schedule, too, like they got kind of a. a gauntlet in the next couple weeks with the Colts. They play at Indianapolis and then go to Arrowhead and play the Chiefs. After that, Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers, and Colts again, is there a world where you feel like the Texans are going to make the playoffs? I think there's clearly a world.

There's clearly a world. In your mind, do you think the Texans make a run and get into the playoffs? What's their record right now? They are six and five. Six and five. Yeah, six and five. And the Jags are seven and four. Correct.

And the Colts are 9 and 3, 9 and 2. Colts are 8 and 3. 8 and 3? Yeah, there's absolutely a world we can see that. I think the issue is what happens in that second slot. Hell, what happens in that first slot? Maybe the Texans pass rush is that good, where they get Daniel Jones off of his, you know,

out of sequence, he's not throwing in rhythm, he's not throwing with timing. Maybe they can go and upset the cult if they just got upset against the Kansas City Chiefs. Maybe something happens there where that defense is just good enough. I mean, they're only two games back versus the Colts. Question for y'all, do you think Davis Mills 3-0 in his three starts with the Texans? You don't think there's going to be any quarterback controversy there? No.

No. C.J. Strau hasn't played. Before C.J. Schrogg got hurt the early part of the year, he was having trouble. He wasn't doing the ball accurately. He wasn't doing it on time. The couple of games before he got injured, he started to find his stride a little bit. He started by push the ball in the field. His way, receiver was making big catches.

that to me is a non that's a non-conversation starter right here because it's not because is it Davis Mills Davis Mills isn't the reason why all of a sudden he's like willing his team into victory like he is taking care of the football allowing the running game to work from a little bit

being efficient with the football when he needs to be and then allowing the defense to absolutely wreak havoc and that's what's causing the Texans to win the game that it's the defense it's not necessarily the offense and if you're looking on the other side of that we're not going to get critical right we're not getting critical but the flow bills. They're in a bit of danger right now.

Just before we get out of the AFC South, all that has to happen this weekend, you've got essentially a one-game race. Texans beat the Colts this weekend, and then Jaguars got the Titans. So Jaguars win that game, I'm not saying they're going to, but if the Jaguars win that game, likely that they will, they'll be eight and four. Colts, if they lose the Texans, Colts will be eight and four, and Texas will be seven and five. And we'll have a one game away where what felt like earlier in the season as it was trending, Colts were going to run away. potential one seed and everything else. And the AFC South was kind of beaten down.

But the, yeah, Texans, Jaguars have been inconsistent. They've been steady. But we'll see kind of what happens in this last stretch in November, December football. But we could be one game away after this weekend. Could be one game away. For some good fun chaos. And if there's one thing we've learned in the 2025 football season, it's Will Compton and chaos are a match made in heaven. You two love each other so much.

I love chaos. I love sitting there. I love sitting back and just watching the chaos unfold. And then you kind of telling me a story as if I'm a child tucked in and you're reading me a nice little book at night, the book of chaos. I enjoy that. You're an individual that you're on chat, GBT. You're wondering how we get the most chaos out of life when it comes to the gridiron.

Yes. Mostly. We'll get to college football later. Yeah, we'll get to college football later. Even in some NFL, you know, there's chaos, all this chaos creative with Philadelphia Eagles. We will get to that once we start talking about the NFC. But yeah, going out to, going out to Buffalo.

I don't know what to think of Buffalo. Right. I just don't know what to think of Buffalo. to make a Buffalo like their defense is inconsistent. You can run the ball on them. Josh Allen's going to have to be a superhero every game. Receivers are they going to, you know, what's his name, Keelan Coleman? Yeah, he's been.

Is he going to get back in the line? He, I think he was, last week he sat out for like the first half or first quarter. And I think like I, according to Dionne, what Dawkins after like a post game interview, it seems like it's like kind of like a character issue, kind of like an attitude type thing. and he needs to like dial it in but like he was a first round traffic for him you would like to think that he's out there and like can

But did he play Thursday? No he did not play Thursday Yeah he didn't play Thursday He was an underwent Thursday That interview you're talking about was two weeks ago When he got benched for a quarter And said it was character

We got to get him back on track But Thursday he wasn't even dressed He was a healthy scratch two weeks in a row For missing a team meeting Is basically what they said And then his attitude for how They reprimanded him I guess is why he was a healthy scratch again

That sucks man Yeah but I think Dionne Dawkins I think he handled it really well Obviously, there was internal conversations that took place. But his postgame interview or whatever when he's like, listen, I love the kid. He's awesome. He needs to now show at these levels of growth to get in. So it's like, you've had the conversation.

You publicly said what it's about. That to me is great leadership by Dion Dawkins. I like to handle it that way. Great time of year, too, for Keon Coleman to be thankful. Just kind of rewrite the script. Rewit the script. Yeah. It's your turkey leg.

I understand. Hey, listen, you are a young cat, single young cat in the NFL. First round draft pick. First round draft pick, able to play with the reigning MVP. Yeah. And to catch balls from Josh Allen. Great quarterback. And a team that widely is considered a contender in the NFL.

You're one of 32 teams that have the possibility to win a world championship. How beautiful is that? Man, that's something to be thankful for it. That's something to be thankful for. That's outstanding, Sherman. I love that. But I think the answer is this wide receiver room is from a talent standpoint, We could all kind of say like they're below average

or they're not getting separation the way they need to get separation. The defense, you said it, like people can't run on them. And they're getting injured. And they're getting injured. They lost with the right tackle. They lost, yeah, Spencer Brown.

Spencer Brown was having some issues during the game. He ended up coming out and not finishing from a right shoulder injury. He ended up coming out, not returning back in the game. And if we're going to stick on the office aligned, here's my biggest issue I have with watching that game.

We're going to stay thankful with these office lines. I'm going to have to know. I know I brought up Deion Dawkins. I think Dionne Dawkins is one of the best tackles in the NFL. Like his run blocking ability is, you know, I think in the top 10 category, his past blocking ability is in the top 10 category. You're able as an offense to do so much with the tackle like him. And I think Spencer Brown is one of the more underrated tackles in the entire league. But these guys have a timer is going off in their head when they're in past protection. And you see it multiple times. There were two or three sacks that took place in that game. That was because they decided the ball should be out and they stopped blocking.

And the defensive end, whether it be Anderson or Hunter, kept going and got the sack. And so that's a big issue that is just fixed with effort. But you save yourself your quarterback getting hit two or three other times if you don't have that timer in your head. And a guy like Josh Allen, you know he likes to hold the ball a long time. You know like being a, if you're a Dionne Dogg and Spencer Bryant, you've been in the league long enough to know. hey, your wide receiver room, they're going to take a little bit longer. They need more time to kind of have these routes open unless you're scheming them open in certain ways. That is a big problem that they need to get fixed, but it's easily fixable going into next week.

Yeah, Spencer Brown, too, looking at going on IR, potentially. And Terrell Bernard. Yeah, Bernard, they're inside backer. Yeah, he went down too with an elbow. So they're also taking on injuries. Yeah, I think it's the Patriots. Patriots are going to take the East. I know it's only two games.

What are they, is it two games back? I think they're two and a half because they have the type record as well. I think the bills are seven and, yeah, bills are seven and four. It's a three games right now. Bills are seven and four, yeah. I think the Pats and Bills still play each other twice this year, though. No, no, the Pats and Bills already played each other at the Bills. The Pats won that game.

That started the Pats streak or us kind of like opening our eyes to the Patriots. The Bills, they don't play again until, I think the first week of January or late December is when they play again. The Patriots are the rest of the way. You got Giants. December 14th is when they're. Bill's, Ravens, Jets, and Dolphins. I think if you're the Bills, this is a DefCon 5 panic mode situation

that you're on your three games back. You're in the playoffs right now. You're in the playoffs right now, but I think the conference we just took place with the AFC South, AFC West, also we have not gotten to. That's like you can have multiple teams there making the playoffs.

It is a scary, it's scary to be a Buffalo Bills fan and a Buffalo Bills player right now. Patriots and Broncos racing for the one C in the AFC. Racing for the one C. What a fun world do we get to live in? I'm saying like, for the bills like yeah you may be like in the playoff picture right now but like your playoffs start now like you need to oh yeah yeah yeah it's it's one of those situations for sure imagine before

the season started you're not talking it's like hey who's gonna race for the one seat in the aFC it's going to be like between patrick mahomes josh allen lamar jackson joe barro now we're talking about now we're talking about bow nicks and drake may bo necks and drake may racing for the one seat the AFC. I love it. I know you do. My boy loves chaos. We love chaos. Yeah. The Patriots too. Or the Colts. Yeah. Daniel Jones as well. I mean, they just lost to the Chiefs and they should not have lost that game. That was a heartbreak. That's a second biggest heartbreaking game besides Clumps Eagles this past weekend. But yeah, dude, I think I think the it's safe to say the AFC East is owned by the Patriots right now. It is. I mean, the Patriots

scheduled the rest of the way too. I mean, you were fourth or third and your division. last year, you're kind of in a place where you're playing the easier teams. We saw the gauntlet, the bills have to deal with. It's a tough spot. Tough spot. Tough spot. Tough spot to be living in right now. Looks like we got...

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It's like you're talking Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, a couple of those four racing for the one seat in the AFC. And now we're talking about Bo, Knicks and Drake May. It's funny how the league shifts, man. That's what makes the NFL so good. You just, you think you. know, and the reality is none of us have any idea. You know that the Patriots are going to win the AFC East, though, yeah?

Yeah, that's what it looks like right now, barring, what are they, 10 and 2? Yeah, 10 and 2. Yeah. Close one. They had to come back a little bit against the Bengals defense. That's all right. Yeah. What was it?

I think, you know, I know everybody wants to give them a hard time about they don't play anybody, and their schedule has been the easiest, and they haven't beat anybody with the winning record. Like, I get all that, but this is not college football, right? where everyone's schedule is so drastically different. Some years you get lucky and you play the four seed schedule because of the year before and your schedule is easy and your crossover division at a conference is an easy one. And then the next year you play the hardest schedule.

Like it all it all evens itself out. You got to take advantage of an easy schedule when you get it and you never apologize for winning. You know what's crazy right now is I mean, I don't want to look ahead of 26 because we have so much fun football ahead of us in the NFL season. but if we get through the year the way the year is going right now, at some point in February, March, April, May, the mainstream media is going to stop talking about Drake May as much and Bo Nix and they're going to go back to the things they're most comfortable with, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, and Joe Burrow.

And then we're going to look at the 26th season and the AFC, and we're going to have those four regular names, but you're going to add Drake May in there. You're going to add Bo Nix. And then now we're looking at the AFC, like every team in the AFC could win. win the AFC. Yeah. And that's going to be, that's exciting.

Yeah. What do you make of, so you covered the Vikings Packers yesterday, yeah? Yeah. A lot of conversations around J.J. McCarthy. A lot of conversations. What are you seeing as you watch that game unfold? Yeah. It's a tough, it's a tough offense to watch.

And I think there's a lot of reasons, right? So on one side of the coin, we got a guy who's just made his sixth NFL start, right? So I think it's a little premature to just cast them off and say, he's done, he's not an NFL starter, he's Zach Wilson, he's Trey Lance, he's a high first round pick that just can't do it. I think it's too early for that. But I do think there are some alarm bells going off like, okay, are we wasting a window where we clearly thought that we were going to be in contention to not just win the division, but to make a deep run in the playoffs after a disappointing end to a 14 win regular season last year. So I think that's a very reasonable conversation.

I think they are running this offense entirely different than they have in years past. This looks entirely different with, albeit pretty much the exact same guys on offense and the same play caller, a very different system and scheme and play style to last year. And, you know, I understand the offensive line has been very banged up. They started yesterday for the first time all season. Yesterday was the first game that they had their preseason on paper, starting five, all in there together. And then Christian Derisaw, he leaves.

Donovan Jackson, the left guard, he leaves. So they don't even finish the game with that. So offensive line has been an issue. But skill-wise, they've got a lot of great guys. Obviously, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison. They got Kevin O'Connell, the same play caller. It just looked different. So I think at some point they need to do.

just rip the band-aid off and say, we'll fix all the fundamentals in the off-season. We'll fix the over-striding. We'll fix throw into his left. We'll fix the base of his mechanics flying open. Forget all that. I think of I'm Kevin O'Connell. I'm saying, JJ, just get back and rip it. I don't care if you throw five picks.

You're not coming out of the game. I think they need to flip it because right now they're protecting him. It's super run heavy. They're getting nothing out of it. They're not going to score any points. and they're all just doing it to try to protect him and not crush him, I think I would go to the complete opposite going forward and just say you can either do it or he can't.

We're not going to handcuff the rest of the offense and the rest of the team because this is clearly not a style of play that is conducive to scoring points and ultimately winning. Are you... Hold on, Greg. I 100% agree with everything you just said. Because if you're Kevin O'Connell, you're sitting there, and the entire Vikings fan base is now completely impatient.

because yeah, this is a sick start, but it's his second year with that team. And they've had this anticipation of DJ McCarthy for two years now. And regardless of it was whether it's fair to him, it's not fair to him. That's the way the NFL is. It's impatient. And we have a development issue. If you're Kevin O'Connell, it's if you're in a slump, we got to swing through the slump. Like he threw the ball 19 times yesterday.

We need to double those numbers. And who cares? You're right. If it's five picks, six picks, like, we're just going to keep on ripping it. And by December, like maybe he works through those things. Kid does a lot of meditation. It does a lot of things focusing himself. He sits there in post-game press conferences or during the week.

And they're like, hey, are you used to playing quarterback like this? He's very open. Like, when I was at Michigan, this is not how they taught me to play quarterback. So he's learning new ways. He's talking about taking the dog outside. He's getting 10 reps in. Yeah, getting 10 reps. It's like, hey, let's make those real live reps.

And let's see if you're the guy right now because the way their season is going is, if he is the guy or if you're Kevin O'Connell like, hey, because to me, I see a couple things where it's like, we have a lot of red flags taking place, a lot of alarms going off. But there are one or two things you see when he does throw the ball on time with the right mechanics. He's throwing guys out of breaks. Perfect.

In the back of the end zone, he's throwing a low by the hip. Like he's throwing the football in ways. You're like, oh, okay, that's the guy they wanted to draft right there. But it's like you have between now and the end of the year to truly figure it out because you're not going to have a fan base that's going to be patient with the head coach if you don't go and draft a quarterback in the first round if it stays like this. So you've got to be like, hey, let's get, let's have him throw the ball 36, 37 times a game and just call this season a wash and rip it.

So I agree with you. I love that. Because remember, he's not dumb, right? He's been around a lot of good ball. He's won a lot of games. He's always been the man. I mean, just even back, you know, going, what, 37 and 1, 36 and 1, whatever it was in college at Michigan, winning the Natty.

This is a guy who's been around ball. and he understands good ball and he understands bad ball. And I think right now the team thinks they're protecting him. And I don't fault Kevin O'Connell for any of this. He's really trying to find that delicate balance between throwing your young, yeah, that was inadvertent, throwing your young quarterback to the wolves and crushing him, which we've seen stunt the growth of young quarterbacks for years. But I also think you can stunt a young quarterback's confidence by putting in a game plan

and calling the plays, which signals to everybody who's watching the game or part playing in the game, we don't believe in this guy. Like, he can't do it. So we're going to just call this game entirely different from how we otherwise would. I think that's equally debilitating. So I think you overcorrect, let it rip. You're not benching him. There's no one else to go to.

And you're saying, dude, we protected you and we lost 23 to 6. Who cares if we lose 40 to 6? 40 to 14. Like, we're not going to worry about playing not to lose. That formula is obviously not getting us anywhere. We're going to go out there, let it rip, get back to what you've been, all the confidence in the world, let it eat. And if you throw it to the other team, we'll fix it on Monday.

But we can't do this whole run, run, third down pass, fall behind, and then get into pass mode at the end and just think we're going to chuck it down by three scores. Like you just can't play NFL football that way. And they don't have a lot of choices who they turn to. I'm not suggesting they turn to somebody else. But I think you just let the young kid go out there and let it fly. And you're losing anyway. So what's the difference of the manner in which you lose?

Right. Right. I just, you know, if you go that route and then he, you know, because he's like the most inaccurate passer in the NFL right now. Like I know we hate throwing stats, but quarterbacks with at least 100 attempts, you look at accuracy percentage. ball location accuracy within the frame away from the coverage.

He's only, his accuracy is only 51%. There's only three quarterbacks in the league below 55, and it's Carson Wince, it's J.J. McCarthy, and it's Michael Pinnock's. And J.J. McCarthy's at the bottom. So you might, say you double those numbers, if he's that wildly inaccurate and you mess around and find out at the end of the season, it would just suck if the Vikings, they find themselves in a position at the end of the year to where it's like, oh, this probably is not our guy. That's what you have to follow out. One to this. We talked about this yesterday on the on the call. You look back into the off season, right? And there's a lot of things that went on in Minnesota.

They have Sam Darnold. He moves on to Seattle, whether or not they offered the same amount of money or not. We'll never really know the truth of how it all went down. But they clearly, they let Sam walk. He ends up in Seattle. He's having a great year. And then they have Daniel Jones, right? And from all reports and everyone internally saying, hey, they wanted Daniel back. They thought Daniel Jones was the best bang for their buck as far as what they'd have to pay him. And the guy that they saw when they picked him up when he got released from the Giants down the stretch of the season last year. So he signs with Indianapolis under the assumption, which proved to be right, that he could beat out Anthony Richardson, more likely that he'd play in Indianapolis

than he measured that he would play if he stayed in Minnesota. So that all plays out and they go all in. But if they don't think J.J. McCarthy's their guy, which I think they do, and did and still do to a degree. They spent the second most money in the free agency in the entire league only behind the New England Patriots, right? So why do the Patriots do it? Because we've got Drake May on a young contract. We're going to, we got to attack this window for the next four years until we got to pay

him 70 million by the time he's up. We got to capitalize on getting this roster as talented as we can in these next four window, four year window, because we have this young rookie quarterback that is a stud. I think Minnesota took the exact same approach. They said, listen, we got four years left of J.J. McCarthy on a rookie contract. We're paying him peanuts. We're not paying 50 million. We're not paying 60 million.

We're going to go all in. We've got Justin Jefferson. We've got a veteran offensive line. We've got one of the top defenses every single year with Brian Flores leading the show. This is our window to capitalize. Kevin O'Connell has made every quarterback that he's worked with, play the best version of themselves. And they went all in. now you take a look and you say, okay, if you haven't hit on your quarterback, and if he's not the guy for the next four years, you're dead.

Yeah. Because your cap situation stinks. You're over the cap. These contracts just balloon as time goes on. And this window you thought you had four years from now, Justin Jefferson's four years older and Addison. And it all starts to break apart. So there is more than just winning and losing games in this moment. The next couple years are tied.

everything they've done organizationally and roster building everything they've done is tied to the fact that they're going to have a rookie quarterback for the next four years. Damn. Yeah, that's a mic. Yeah, it's kind of a mic drop right there.

Yeah, it is the Minnesota Vikings find themselves in a very precarious situation. I don't know if this game was the Brown's game taking place while you were calling the game. No, that was right after. That was right after your game. I caught some of the highlights

in the Brown's game. Obviously, I saw Shador's touchdown. I saw Shador's post-game interview. Yeah. So I caught the highlights. I caught the parts that matter. Obviously, he beat the Raiders 24 to 10. Every Brown's quarterback making their first start, they are 0-17.

So Shadur Sanders, he wins his game, his first start as a quarterback. He's in a category of his own when it comes to the Cleveland Browns. He won his first game. Before the game, he's saying, I'm who the Browns have been looking for. Like, that's what he was trying to show. After the game, a lot of people want to see me fail. and it ain't going to happen. Beautiful.

The next thing he says, imagine what a full off season looks like. Dot, dot, dot. It's going to get dangerous. Okay. Donald Trump, he starts coming to tell, hey, Sidder Sanders. He was great after the first game.

He's saying, I told you so. He said great jeans. I told you so. 45 and 47 has planted his flagpole and the Shadurr's campaign. Trump commented on Sheddor Sanders beating the Raiders. I was the first one to say it. The Browns are back,

goes with me. You see the clip of Shudor Sander scrambling out to his right, throwing it deep. Miles Garrett face just lights up. He's like, I had 18 sacks, but now we finally have a quarterback. Yeah. This is the best Thanksgiving I'm ever going to have my entire life. What? What the hell is going on in Cleveland? As Stefanski, as he saved, as he saved his job, is, as Shadur Siener is the second coming of Jesus, the way they're saying he's going to be like, he didn't have like the greatest stat line in the world, but he operated. He scored 24 points. He had a live arm. I think he heard himself. It's more than 10 points average. a game. It's exciting. Listen, at the very least, he adds a little excitement to the Browns because I don't know

if you could have paid me enough to watch the Browns play the Raiders. Right. Right. I mean, that's just bad ball. The Raiders are, they're the worst team in the league, and I don't even think it's close. Over the Titans? Yeah. Okay. I think they are like bad, bad. I think the Titans showed a little fight yesterday. I think Seattle I was going to say. Yeah, Tides were making a push there at the end. Tines, the most competitive loss of the year happened yesterday. Yes.

I think they're competing. I think there, you, again, I've watched bits and pieces of Tennessee. And I know I'm probably biased because Cam Ward's a Miami guy. But like when I watch Cam Ward struggle in a one win, when they won one game, a one win season, there's a lot of the moments, a lot of those games you come out and you go, okay, yes, I know they haven't won a game. And I know he's actually thrown some, but that doesn't look like it. young rookie quarterback who's playing out, you know, playing above the level that he looks like

he belongs. Like that's a guy that looks like he's, he's competitive, he's tough, he's going to throw some ball to the wrong guy. His team stinks. They're not competitive. They've already fired the coach, but that dude belongs. Like, that's how I watch Cam Ward. Like, so wins and losses. But to Shador's point, again, you don't apologize for who you beat. The Raiders stink. Who do the Browns play next week? Do you know? Let me look it up for you. Sherman, you mind? They're going to play some real teams, right? So I just think you have to be very careful.

And I know he likes being the bad guy. He likes being the villain. He plays into it. He did in college. They got the 49ers. They're each their own. But this is a very humbling sport. And yes, you got off to a good start.

You beat the Raiders. You don't apologize. And more power to him. But Kevin Stefanski is not dumb. Kevin Stefansky is a very good football coach. If he thought Shador Sanders was the answer to the problems and the answer to saving his job, Shador would have been the quarterback weeks ago. So the notion that he's not playing Shador because he wants him to fail is nonsense.

We've all been around this league long enough. That's the craziest take I've ever heard. People would play their worst enemy in the world if it thought that they could win and save their job. So the notion that Kevin Stafansky is going to go down and have the best quarterback in his roster not play just out of principle or because he doesn't like his post game interviews, I think is nonsense. So hopefully he is that guy. I like Shador coming out of college. I think he's got some physical skills. He's big.

He's strong. I thought he was awesome in college. There's something, though, behind the scenes as a reason why Kevin Stifansky hasn't turned to him sooner. And we don't know. We're not at practice. We're not in meetings. We don't know what that looks like. But that's an obvious, you know, to conclude that is not a real leap of faith.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm rooting for the kid. As I'm like you said. it's one of those things where he's going to play some real football teams and I hope he does well like I root for him I root for his story just because again he fell in the draft he's a fifth round guy you know people love to beat up on and people people people love to hate but people also love to hate it's just like when you see his post game pressers I'm just thinking buddy just

caution yourself speaking to your own movie like you're the second like you're the you're the one you're the one uh that was chosen and then also just speaking to your haters it's just Again, because all you do is you put yourself in a spot for eternity on critics and everybody, like, assuming being right until you essentially, all you can do is win a Super Bowl. Yeah. The way he ends up chirping at times. And it's just, I would just, I'm rooting for him. I want more people to root for him. And when those things like that get said, when those things happen, it's like, I understand why people come after him.

Just like I understand people rooting for him. So it's all of those things. It's like, bro, just talk about the team. talk about, you know, the gratitude of being in the spot. You got a big one next week. You got to stack another one. Right. And just keep the head down and keep going.

Because you're right. His post game press conference is extremely short-sighted. And it plays exactly what you said. Like he is the main character of his movie. Yeah. In his mind, there's no other movies taking place in the world, even though we're all kind of dealing with ours. And he's like, I told you all, imagine this.

Imagine that. It's like, okay, enjoy that for the next six days because you have another judgment day coming against the 49ers on Sunday. And so, yeah, like, and if he does have, let's say he has success against the 49. So let's say he wins five games, five more games or whatever. That's great. He's going to have an awesome off season. But then the goalpost is going to move again.

Can you be a playoff quarterback? And then if he makes the playoffs, okay, goalpost moves again. Can you win a Super Bowl? So the haters are always going to have something to hold on to unless you're a end up being a Hall of Fame quarterback. That is that. That's truly all they have. I'll tell you what, though, his schedule.

49ers on a short week, defensively are struggling. We'll see them tonight against Carolina. The Bears, they play the Bears next. The Bears defense is not good. The Steelers, hit or miss.

The Titans. The Bills, okay, that's a real. But their defenses, Bill's defense is not good. But that's his final six games. Those are the next, that's the six games

that he's going to finish the season. So, so you're like it. I'm over here talking like this. I think the Icarus on our hand. He's played a little close close to the sun. No, no.

That is not my style. The post game press conference, the talking shit, the hate calling out the haters. Like the notion, to your point is like he's the only character in the movie and like all of us have just been spending all of our time. I'll be honest,

I haven't given two thoughts to the Cleveland Browns quarterback, Dylan Gabriel or whether any of them. Right. I haven't spent one minute. So the notion that like there's all these haters and stuff, get how a lot of guys use that as like their motivation and they use that and more power to them you win you could say whatever you want i am of the opinion of if you win and you're good you can say and do virtually whatever you want as long as you're a good teammate and the guys in

the building really like you and really go to bad for you if you have that you can say whatever to hell you want in the media as long as you win but you better win right and you better play well because if you don't, now that becomes a distraction, that becomes an issue, and now it becomes all of our problems. Now, we all have to answer for your postgame press conferences when you don't win and when you don't play well and all of that. So I'm with you about him pumping the tires a little bit, but we're going to find out a lot because that six game stretch is by no means of gauntlet. And if he plays well, he deserves a lot of credit. But if he struggles down the stretch against those guys, he's going to have a lot of people come after him.

And that's just the nature of the business. It is very interesting that Shadurr Sanders is the main story line coming out of Cleveland when Miles Garrett has 18 sacks right now with six games left and is probably most likely going to be Michael Strayhan's sack record in a season. And that'll happen. It'll be a fart in the way. Like, hey, Miles Garrett did it. He did something incredible that, you know, Michael Strait has held this prestigious

accolade for 20 years or whatever it is. And then we'll just move on to, but what did Shadur do? He threw a pick. is he washed? Is he done? Is it over? So it's... The Shadur's story, though, like, that's been such a headline since he fell in the draft or maybe didn't fall into, whatever. It's been such a storyline, but it's such a hot topic to talk about. He finally gets a start. And it was one of those games. Like, I didn't watch

the game because it was Brown's Raiders. But, like, after they win, and I see people throwing up his highlights on the internet and stuff, I'm like, you know, I'm wanting to go in and see, like, okay, let's see how he did in the post game. Like, I want to hear from Shadur. And then I hear him in the post game press, I'm like, oh, no. Oh, no. Because you're watching. watching it unfold. You're seeing someone like live on a win way too hard, which we've all seen, whether it be high school, college, NFL. We've all, we all know of a guy in our head right now that rode that high a little too hard. And it's like, oh, buddy, there is a cataclysmic situation

coming down the pipe for you right now. You just think to yourself like, all right, if you want to apply all this pressure to you, which again, I respect you, you got to go out and you've got to continue to sling the rock. You got to continue to get better. So he can continue to, you know, speak to his haters after. Yeah. She's, she restricts me as a guy. that is, I don't think he's playing 3D chess. I don't think he's like sitting there looking five, six moves ahead of everybody else right now. He's a moment type of cat. And he's in a great moment right now.

But I think of Sunday, if he lays an egg on Sunday against the 49ers, he's like, oh, shit, I probably shouldn't have said those things. You know, speaking of great moments, a great moment we got to live in yesterday. They didn't win the football game. But just the feeling and moment that we get to hold on to and capture that we'll be telling our kids about one day or telling the next generations about, But James Winston. Yeah.

Going out there, slinging the rock, catching touchdown passes. It's beautiful. Like, it's so fun to watch that man play football. It really is. Right. It really is. Like, anytime he's on and he gets to be the starting quarterback, you don't know what's going to happen, but you know it's going to be electric.

You're going to get a pregame speech, which he gave. He's like, well, we might be inside or what do he say? He said, we might be inside today or the opposite. I'm not even sure. Yeah. But we might be outside. but we inside his you know in all the streamers and all the networks and everyone's fighting for like content someone needs to buy james winston's exclusive pregame speech and it's only allowed to air on your network

yeah that is like it is must listen must watch whatever you want to classify it as we were doing we had a lot of like game breaks you know during the game we'll like go to chrisa thompson in the studio at fox and she'll do like a game break and she'll give us an update when a team scores or whatever. And then early in our game, they went to a bunch of game breaks because the Giants, you know, he caught the like flea flicker touchdown or whatever he caught and he threw a touchdown. So it kept being like James Winston highlights for the first half of our game breaks.

And he's just, he is a thrill a minute. You talk about a guy who's going to let it rip and a couple of them might go to the wrong team, but like he does it bat an eye. He does not care. He's unfazyable. It does not affect his next throw. he he is a special cat as far as just his personality and his outlook and everybody who's ever played with him absolutely loves him.

Loves him, bro. The leadership he keeps like while he's in the game like talking to his guys, just everything. Yeah. I enjoy watching him. He's really, he's something. Greg, have you seen the movie Animal House? Yeah. Okay, good, because I know Will hasn't.

So I don't want to kind of give this reference. But his pregame speeches remind me when Bluto stands up. He's like, over? Was it over when the Germans bomb? Harbor, the guy leans back goes, just let him go. He's on a roll. Like, that is, that to me is James Winston, every time he's got a mic on him. And I'm like, bro, he might say things that we, the common man can't understand. And I clearly am a common man.

But I absolutely love it. Like, any time when he went and did the Super Bowl, was it with Fox, I think he did like a Fox Super Bowl thing where he was like going around New Orleans, I'm like, bro, this dude needs to be on TV 24-7. He's going to make more money off the field when he's done than when he's like, Now, when he's on the field playing in the NFL, it's so beautiful, bro. It's amazing. He's something.

He's one of a kind. It sickens me that Will does not understand that reference. I know. One day I will. One day I'll watch Animal House. But his quote was, we outside, but we inside. And then he's like, I don't care what boundaries you have to cross any by any means necessary.

However we can get the win today. I know if I'm like standing in the head a lot, I'd be like laughing to myself. Like, I don't care what boundaries you have to cross. Dude, he was just thinking of the most extreme shit in your head. I hated pregame speeches. It didn't matter who it was. It could have been like the guy in miracle, the coach in miracle given like the greatest speech

before a game of all time when we beat the Russians. Like I was not a big like pregame speech guy. I didn't need it. I didn't care for it. I would just if I was his teammate, I know I would be like in my back of my mind like rolling my eyes. Like, all right, let's move on with this. Yeah.

But there's something about when. James does it that like it does hold my interest. Yeah. For a guy who hates pregame speeches, there's something about Jamesis that I'm actually like, all right, keep going, dude. Yeah.

Have your moment, you know? I was a little bit like that. Anytime someone was like kind of nice on the mic, like they gave a good pregame speech, I'd be front and center. Right. I'm ready to hear this.

But when you get the guy, be like, we all here, we brothers, it's like, all right, let's fucking, yeah,

let's go play the football. I got it. Yeah, we're going to play for each other. I get it. We don't need anybody else. all we have. No one here believes.

And I was like, I get it. I've heard all the things. Let's move on. But you got a coach. I like post game speeches better. Yeah. Dude, if I had a high school coach,

Charlie Regal, that would give these pregame speeches and my eyes would be welting up before the game. Like, I'm prepared to die for this man. It was, they were the greatest, the greatest,

high school. That's a different animal. That's, that's when you're ready. Like you're, you're, any, any,

what any coach says can get you motivated in high school. Because it's Friday night. It's all these movies that are playing in your head. you want to go to the league, all this stuff. Like, that's greatness. But once you're there, it is. We did have one guy's name was Martrell Spade where he got people juiced up. He'd be like, fuck the peace.

We want war. And everybody would just be going nuts with them. Tell him of Spade. See, that's a line to me. I was like, oh shit. Like, he's doing it. Like the next speech he gives, I'm going to kind of shoot myself up to the front a little bit, dude. That is.

But then there's something that you're sitting there like Greg's talking about. We're like, all right, hey, like, let's just get the, we had Deshaun Goldston one year. He was with us in Washington. Love D-Gold, love D-Gold. But he was giving us a speech like after practice, talking about the upcoming game. I just got the phone with my boy. He was in the military in Afghanistan.

He would have to pull the trigger on anybody. Could be little kids. Could be a little girl. He's got to pull the trigger. Just when we go into this game this weekend, flip the switch, take the safety off. And I like look to my, I like look to my teammate on the left.

I'm like, what he wants to kill kids this weekend? Dude, this is this textbook. You know what bad speech is. coming pregame everyone takes a knee all right yeah our father lord heaven holly be the grave like you do the prayer everyone kind of stands up coach hits you with something like rable would always kind of talk about like how the game is about to go and he did a great job with like crystal ball in the game he finishes all right bring it up let's get out of here and someone goes hey i got something to say real quick that's that is the moment you know we're about to lose some juice right here that that's when

you know shit is about to go downhill and it's always A guy that almost had to see on his chest. Hey, I got something real quick for a minute. I mean, ninja smoking fade to the back real quick. Is this? You can't be a topper. Can't be a topper. You can't be a to cherry on top guy, man.

Yeah, everybody slowly puts their arm down and says back on the top. I got something to say. Oh, fuck, dude. Here we go. Here we go. Dude, how about the, how about the Rams just beating the hell of the bucks last night? Donkey stomping. And here's a

This is a good example of like We talked about Chatur and like hey Now the haters are gonna come for you no matter what Baker Mayfield has found himself in this world Where he was one of the most hated guy by the The quote unquote media haters When he first got in the league Now it's like Baker can do no wrong

Like he wasn't having a great game It ends up getting hurt And the Rams run away with it Everyone's like if Baker stays healthy But we get this team healthy Like this is a contending team So your heart goes out to the bucks But Matthew Stafford man

is incredible. 25 touchdowns, zero interceptions, 37 years old? It might be 27. Excuse me, 27, 28. Oh, Mitch over here. How many? Mitch, go ahead, hit the mic.

What is it? In the last eight games, Stafford has 25 touchdowns and zero interceptions. He's a surgeon out there right now. A surgeon. He's unbelievable. Yeah. You got him as a front runner for the MVP race.

I know it's kind of him and Drake Mays to everybody's talking about. I think it's him and Drake May. I think a lot of that is starting to come into, and again, we got six weeks left, so a lot could change. But, yeah, as of right now, it's him and Drake May, I think, have separated themselves from the pack. So they check all the boxes, quarterbacks, top teams in the league. You know, they cover it all. I think Vrabel's coach of the year, barring some catastrophe down the stretch.

I don't know, how does he, you know, turning around the Patriots in literally one season is pretty remarkable. yeah, I mean, watching Stafford play last night, it wasn't too long ago back in August, there was a lot of people saying, is this guy ever going to play again? Right. He can't practice. He's out six weeks. He can't move. He's got a back.

And now not only is he playing on one of the best teams in the league, if not the best team in the league. He's the best player in the league. And he's starting games 11 for 11, and he's letting it rip. And Devante Adams looks like Devante Adams at five years ago and Pooka Nakua and running this McVeigh offense. So yeah, he's, he's incredible. They won that game we did a couple, two weeks ago,

that great game against Seattle. Neither offense played particularly great. Obviously, he just didn't turn up. Stafford just did a nice job not turning the ball over and they did just enough to win the game. But his entire body of work, yeah, if I'm casting a vote right now, I'm voting for him. Yeah.

Yeah, he's a beast, dude. And I cannot wait to see the rematch of those two teams play because, yeah, Sam Donald has four interceptions in that game. they still have a field goal to go and win it at the end. Those are the two teams in my head, especially with the Eagles absolutely fumbling. Clump, look at me, fumbling a 21-0. They're up 21-0.

They haven't blown a 21-point lead since 1999. Oh, I was eight. I mean, Greg was in college. That's crazy. High school. I mean, those are the two teams in my head that it's like, oh, this is going to be the representative out of the NFC. they are they're that good you see the Seahawks step up from a defensive standpoint when they

played the Rams and they're getting that many turnovers it's it's beautiful to watch the NFC West right now they are they're beautiful what do you what do you make of uh let's just get on the topic of the Eagles what do you what do you make of the Eagles man they are a tough nut to crack I'll tell you I've had them a couple times this year and I've gone into the game saying I don't know why they're not better on offense you know They got A.J. Brown and Devante Smith and Sequin Barclay and, you know, two of the best tackles in football and a really good offensive line. And Jalen Hertz is a Super Bowl MVP. I would find myself going into games and being like, then why aren't they better? Like, what is missing? Why is this not a consistent high-flying offense?

And I had them early in the year against the Rams. They did nothing in the first half. And then in the second half, they absolutely exploded. And they come back and they beat the Rams. And I walk out of the stadium, I'm like, they're really good. Right. They're figuring out their identity. And it was probably the best game Jalen Hertz has played all season long. He was incredible. He was letting it rip. Passing game. Then they get Sequin going after they kind of spread everybody out.

And I walk out and I'm like, okay, they're pretty good. So like every time I see them in person, I walk out of the stadium saying they're wildly talented. They're really hard to beat because they don't have just one path to victory. They can beat you defensively. They can beat you on the ground in the air. They can win close games. They can win low scoring. they've won some shootouts.

They're just a tough beat. But then you watch them on a larger scale. You watch them over a larger sample size and you just say there's something missing. Like, why is a team with that roster and that depth and that pedigree of coaching and the amount of wins that they've had? Like, why are they so up and down?

Why is there so much drama coming out? Why is there a story every single week coming out of the locker room? It just, I don't get it. I'm a huge Siriani guy. I love them. I love that he wears his emotions on his sleeve. He's got a little shit to him.

I like that. I don't need my coach to be a choir boy. Like I like he's got some fire and shit to him. I just can't put my finger on why it's such a roller coaster and why it's such a wild ride because personnel-wise, I think, I don't know, is it the turnover of the offensive coordinators every year? They've had five coordinators over the last couple. Like maybe it's that. Maybe it's, I really, they're one of the. the few teams that I just have a really hard time coming up with like a concrete.

Here's what they are. Because every time you think you do, the next game, they're the complete opposite. Right. It's because I've been, I've kind of been trolling the Eagles fan base all year long because I'm with you. Like I've always felt something when you're watching the game. To me, it's like they don't have as near as good of a running game as they did last year, which it's like, okay, say they take a step back.

You still got Sequan Barkle. You still got a pretty decent line. scrimmage. Is it the play calling, the simplicity of it at times? Is it tendency oriented? And then also it's like you, we all understand now that there is drama inside the locker room, whether it's with AJ and Jalen, with other teammates, it all seems to kind of go around Jalen a little bit. And when you, when you put a microscope on Jalen's play to me, when I watch Jalen Hertz play, like, unless he knows exactly what he's doing with the football or a guy is just wide open in front of his face, He's not letting it rip

Like his timing isn't always there His timing is again When he's when he's on I say in rhythm I'm not saying he gets in rhythm all the time But when he knows exactly what he's doing When that ball is snapped He looks good

But the moment he gets the first His first option gets taken away Or he's got to move his feet A little bit He misses guys over the middle That are right there Would be tight windows Where you see a lot of

A lot of quarterback still zipping those in He doesn't take those chances And so when you have that And you don't have a run game Like that, is very average and it's crazy to stay with the talent and the names that they have on that offense. Defense, I think they play elite football. Like, they're good front to back. They got a lot of depth. They got hogs up front. They got linebackers that can run and hit. They got DBs that can

cover. Except for, you know, people kind of put a blemish on a Dory Jackson at times. But he's played better, though, and he got hurt this past game. Yeah, he got hurt this past game. But their defense plays really well. And when it's all going to, when it comes down to the offense and you're not going to be able to run the ball with Sequin Barclay, dude, if you're not getting the ball out fast with Jalen or just taking these random shots down field at times, again, when he knows what he's going to be doing with the football, like they're a very average team. No, I agree. I think it goes, you have to look at two specific things because you're right.

Well, you point out the roster, they have an offense, Greg. There should be no reason for them not to be successful in the NFL. They are like an all-star cast of their offense. Lane Johnson's obviously gone down. But there's two things to me. you look at, you look at Jalen Hertz the way you just explained, or you look at who the O.C. is and how they're calling the games and how they're schematically, like, getting these players open, because you have aliens on both sides of you.

And God, like, you have a good, you have a good tight end also. And you have the protection. So to me, it's like, all right, it's either got to be the OC or it's got to be the quarterback that's not doing what they're supposed to be doing. Because it's, it is the most confusing offense to look at. With Kloom and I were to expect yesterday, it's like, at this point, you know, the Cowboys are starting to come back. I'm like, they're going to win. But it's like, this is the most boring offense to watch. When you have these aliens, it should be one of the more exciting offenses to watch. But you're right. Like, he does not, if his first, if his first read is not open, it's like, you have no idea what's going to take

place. Yeah, like, and again, people might be thinking I'm just like pulling this out of thin air too, because again, I'll troll some fan bases at times. But if there's like, there was like 852 on the clock yesterday in the fourth quarter, he had to tie it in, I got or whoever the tight end was if he just rips out of the middle, he's got an easy completion right there. And then the very last play of the game, Dallas is in cover one. And his first read's not open. He has enough time to still rip the ball before he gets hit or before he takes a sack, whatever happened on that last play.

But Devante Smith, whoops, oh, buddy, for a corner route. And he just doesn't, he doesn't rip the ball because he's not taking those chances. Right. Anytime you go back and watch that film and you see where Jalen Hertz throws it, you see receivers open and other parts of the field. And it's like, it's tough. Greg, what are we doing here? Here's the one big thing that I'll leave.

And this is not so much specifically about Philly, as much as it's just like a general observation around the league. Going from one year to the next, there's a couple things that are sustainable and a couple things that inevitably regress back to the mean. One of them is defense in general. The ability for that defense to take. the ball away. And then the other thing is the explosive nature of a run game. Typically, those things don't last year over year over year. There's some sort of like anomaly of a season,

right? You're just talking about Minnesota. Last year, they had 33 takeaways. This year, they have nine. It's the same defensive coordinator, give or take a lot of the same guys. I know Granard's missed some times. Van Ginkles missed some times. Last year, he was incredible. So there's always nuance, but that's the NFL, right? You're not going to have the same health track records. You're not going to have the same people at every position year over year. It's hard to rest your hat on those elements. The one element of NFL football that for the most part carries over year after year after year is really high level quarterback play. Really good quarterbacks range of outcomes is typically smaller. They could have better years or worse years in some

sort of level of, you know, there's a spectrum of their performance, but it's typically not the same regression from top tier quarterbacks. Top tier running games, it's going to be up and down. The ability of a defense to defend points given up historically, like it just those things don't typically last over long periods of time. So we're seeing a regression in the ability to take the ball away. You're seeing a regression in the explosive runs that really powered their Super Bowl run. And then obviously Jaylon Hertz was awesome in the Super Bowl. and was the MVP. But Sequin ripping off 65-yard touchdowns of what seemed like every single playoff game, he ripped off two against the Rams to beat them or else they go home. It's just hard

to count on that. You're just not going to get that over long periods of time over multiple seasons in a row. Regression is real. And if you're built your team around those things, you better strike while you're riding the high because no matter how much you coach it, you can't guarantee how turnovers come and you can't guarantee explosive run plays. It just doesn't work like that. And the Eagles are one of a hundred, you know, 100 examples going on around the league where teams aren't as good as they were last year and people are trying to figure out why.

You broke that down really well. Really well. Because I always hate to like when you start to like zoom in on a team, then you have to zoom in on certain players. And then you also, it's like you have to like nitpick their game a lot. Like you kind of bringing it back out and taking a couple, taking a couple samples from explosive runs and turnovers and everything else, how it all marries together.

There's like there's another element there too that stays true and that's high-level quarterback play. You broke that down really well. Just wanted to say that. Thank you. Yeah, giving the flowers. I think this might be the last game before we let you go, but the Chiefs keep their playoff chances alive.

They play against the Colts. They go to overtime. They end up being the Colts 2320 at home. And there's just a note, Will getting cooked for his Chiefs, no playoffs take. Does he still believe they won't make it? That's a question for Will. But the Chiefs are down 11, right? And they rally back.

They're down 20 to 9. Rally back. Go to the overtime and they end up winning that game. Is this the Colts fumbling the bag here, Willie? Is this the Chiefs that they're, hey, they're actually just that good defense? I'll let you take this one first before you go to Greg. The Chiefs are the most formidable opponent I have ever faced in my life. I've been hunting this team for a few years now,

and anytime you feel like you got them dead in the rights, they avoid it somehow, and they looked good on that comeback yesterday against the Colts. A couple penalties there that you can start to grab. Here comes the referees for the Chiefs now. This is Elmore Fudd and Bugs Bunny. To a T, like we've seen this battle before, but keep going.

Yeah, look, you know, Willie, see, I personally don't have them making the playoffs. Like, there are still many opportunities on the board left. It's going to start getting tight. I'm going to start getting a little bit more uncomfortable. comfortable in the pocket, but I've lived in this lane so long. I've got to stay in the lane, so I'm going to. I don't have them making the playoffs.

Colts had a tough beat, no T against a good Chiefs football team in Arrowhead. Colts are going to have to take care of business this weekend against the Texans because they could find themselves in a little bit of a dust up there in the AFC South that we were talking about earlier. Yeah, but I'm not, you know, look, you can't hit them all. You can't hit them all. Yesterday I thought I was going to be, I thought I was going to take an ass-whipping all day long. I was on ESPN National Television, just telling all the families in Kansas City,

get ready for your children and start to ask for Bo Nick's jerseys. Chief's dynasty's over. Rome is falling. You're not going to make the playoffs since 2014. Now there's a heartbeat there. I also was on national television talking about Dallas Cowboys are going to beat the Eagles. Because again, I'm bad of picking against the Eagles. The Eagles has been stuffing it down my throat week in and week out.

But I saw something with the Dallas Cowboys. It looked real bleak yesterday when the Cowboys were down 21-0. But to get that win out at the end of the night, that felt good. But as far as the chiefs go, I still, look, they're still in a division that the Broncos are going to win. They're still going to have to battle in the wildcar spot with the chargers. You're looking at Jaguars. You're looking at the Texans. Who else in the AFC that could they be done with?

Steelers. Steelers are Ravens are now winning the division. Right, but they're going to be in a wild card hunt the chiefs are as they try to make the playoffs. So it's kind of the only thing I can hang my hat on is, okay, they beat the Col. They were at Arrowhead. They will not be at Arrowhead come playoff time. So if they make the playoffs, is that do you win the war? They make the playoffs, but they get kicked, they get bouncing the wild card.

There's still a job to be done, and that's keeping them from winning the Super Bowl. Okay. So that's the farther goalposts, your first goalposts. Let's keep them out of the playoffs. Yeah, first one, you're going to do, I'm going to do whatever I can to keep this team out of the playoffs. Greg? Well, let's just talk about, and again, I just, I catch the recaps of most of these games. but like the main tipping points of what kind of determines the outcome.

And I think Shane Steichen, if it wasn't for the job Brable's doing, I'd probably say Shane Steikin's the coach of the year because I don't think anybody in a million years thought that the Colts would be having the season that they have had with Daniel Jones and the resurgence of his career and coming off the, you know, the poor drafting of Anthony Richardson or the poor development. Whatever you want to classify that being, obviously that was a miss. and then they bring a Daniel Jones and they're having a great year.

They look like they're on their way to the playoffs and they've had some great games. But you look at the end of that game, you have the ball on the plus side of the 50 with four-ish minutes to go, up by three on fourth and four. And you punt. Yeah.

Because it feels safe. It feels like I don't have to answer for this. Hey, the defense has to do a better job getting a stop. Hey, we got to execute in overtime. time. If you give the ball to Patrick Mahomes to go the long way, even if you fail and you give him the ball and he goes down and kicks a field goal, you're probably getting the ball back. Or he goes down and scores a touchdown to take the lead. You're going to get the ball back. But now you punt, and I don't know exactly where he took over, let's say it was a good punt

and it's inside the 15, 10 yard line and you pin him back. That's the idea of punting from the plus side of the field. If he scores on you, he probably took up all. of it, or it's at least under the two-minute by the time he scores by field goal or touchdown. You're not going to possess the ball. And sure as hell, what do they do? They take a long methodical drive. They run the clock all the way down.

They force, they kick a field goal. They force overtime. And Indianapolis never touches the ball again in regulation. So, again, once you get to overtime, the variance is out the window, right? Overtime is a whole new game. The idea is to make decisions that give you the best chance. chance to win in regulation. You don't punt fourth and four on the plus side of your opponent's team with a three point lead with four minutes. You just can't do it. Yeah, I agree. You just can't do it.

And if you fail and they go the short way and you lose, you've got to stand at the podium and you've got to eat it like Dan Campbell does multiple times. You got to eat it. But this whole notion of like, I'm going to let my defense win it. I'm going to play field position. It's a crock of shit. teams are continuing to lose and lose and lose because they don't want to stand up there and face the music if it goes the wrong way. They'd rather, you lost anyway. But now you, hey, we got to play better defense.

Hey, we got to do a better job in overtime. Hey, we got to. But if you fail on fourth and four and you lose, the only question you're being asked is why did you not punt? Right. And coaches are uncomfortable. They don't like it.

And this is not unique to Shane Stuyken. It's pretty much every coach around the league with the exception of a couple. It drives me insane. And you give, you know, another asset to the Chiefs, like one of their weaknesses throughout the entire season is running the football. Right. The defense is on the field that long. Now their weakness becomes they're able to compliment more and it can become a strength like

Kareem Hunt ends up, they end up running the ball well at the end of the game because the defense was on the field for like 80-something plays. They're drained. So now you're getting attacked by this Chief's offense who's not very good at running the football. Now they can basically do everything to you, especially going in an O.T. Because one thing that Greg doesn't like, which is running the football, the thing that the chiefs did is they sat, hold on. They sat back and they said from the beginning of the game to the end of the game, we are going to establish the run as a threat that the Colts have to defend.

And they did that and it paid off dividends for them because the chiefs were the way they've kind of changed their game is like they used to be able to splash. Hey, we're going to hit you with X play after X play. We're going to march on the field and a minute and a half and we're going to get a touchdown. We're going to move on. Now our defense is going to stand up. the chiefs have had to change a little bit and you see it most prominent in this game against the Colts is from the first snap to the last step they utilized the running back as a weapon for them to get them in a third of manageable and keep the chains moving they killed them with time of possession so if you're stiking i agree with everything you said gregg is like you're fourth and four at this point i think we can all agree if you're between the 40s you don't punt anymore like you you you have to you bend the knee you live and die by the sword and you continue to play the game that way and i think think if you go for it like hey you get it you're able to probably win that game you're going to kick three or you're going to end up scoring a touchdown if you don't get it you have a lot more

time like you're pointing out you're going to have one two maybe even three minutes left to go and put a drive together to have a game winning field goal so I hate it for stiking because if he doesn't get it it's like you're damned if you do you're damn if you don't but like how are you going out you know that you're not the bitch way you're out the the hey I'm going to die in my sword way and the die of my sword way is going for it on fourth but run the football that's a huge win for the Chiefs. Yeah, and the answer is really easy. Hey, why did you go for it there?

Why not punt? The answer is because I'm kicking the ball to arguably the best player of the generation. We've seen him time in, time and time again, go down there and find a way to at least tie that game up. Yeah. So by giving them the ball, you know, when they possess the ball, the minus 45, 40, whatever it ended up being, as opposed to the minus 10, the likelihood of after they

tie the game up, I now will get another possession because the goal is not to go to overtime. The goal is to win in regulation. There is no forcing overtime. That is not part of any of these decision processes. And if they are, the coaches are wrong. Every decision is about I want the game to end in regulation with me winning. Their run game, they ran the ball 41 times for 148 yards, 3.6 yards of carry. Love it. Love that. That is...

I love. I love that. Give it to them, Greg. They threw for 352 yards. Balanced offense. Love it. No, but the part everyone's forgetting is it's not about ball control.

It's not about time of possession. It's about how many points can you score. And until they kicked an end of game, like walk off to send to over. time field goal only because the Colts decided to give you the ball back. They had 17 points. Greg, I love where you're coming from. Here's what I'll say, dude.

You can't score points. You're playing a team. Running the ball for three and a half yards. I don't care if you ran the ball 250 times. You can't run the ball for three and a half yards, 40 plus times and think you're going to score any points. You can't. You also throw it for 300 yards.

points. Greg, if you are playing a team that is number one in every major category on the office side of the ball, you as the chiefs and Andy Reid is to sit back and go, okay, can we go point for point with them? The answer to that is no. So how do you beat a team that puts points on the board fast, often, and can do it a multiple. No, I get it. You have to win time of possession Indianapolis has to be more aggressive on offense is my point. Okay. I'm just making sure, just making sure we're on the same page. I love it. No, I never fault the inferior team for planning. low possession ball control. I get that whole argument. That argument is going to be, you're not going to win any meaningful games. You might win that game. Like, that is not a recipe for

winning over long sample sizes. My argument is if I'm Indianapolis and I'm Shane Steakin, I'm not giving the ball back to Mahomes. I don't care if they had two points the whole game. We've seen Mahomes in those moments kill people and just end their dreams and go down and and do what he did yesterday, regardless of how the rest of the game goes on. But to pretend that running 41 times for 148 yards is a sustainable model for winning NFL games over long periods of time. It's just not. Now, you want to show me a run game that did matter yesterday?

Jimere Gibbs. Yes. He ran the ball 17 times for 200 and something yards. That's a great run game. Yes, that's a better run game than a passing game. Yes. but he's averaging 10 yards of carry. I agree with you.

If we go back to the Chiefs and the Colts, the thing that makes Andy Reid so great is he evaluates not only the team he's playing against, but the team he has and he's okay, where does our best line up against their best? And if I'm an offensive standpoint, offense versus offense, it did not play well. I don't disagree with you that running the ball 41 times a game

for 3.6 yards per carry is a sustainable thing throughout the season. However, if that is what it calls for to catch a W, then that's what you need to do. Now, if they go and play the Raiders next week, if I'm the Chiefs, I'm like, well, yeah, we don't need to run the football. Chiefs got to go to Dallas next week. Yeah. And if I'm, if that's the case, if Chiefs have to go to Dallas next week, I'm thinking, now we open it up. Because, yeah, the defense has played well for the Cowboys, the last couple of weeks.

But our best is better than their best. And so I trust Patrick Rahms ripping the ball down the field versus the Cowboys defense, as opposed to holding time of possession, those sorts of things. So I'm with you. And do you think for as good as Spag? is and as good as the Chief's defense is and I think they're really good. Do you think 17 points is enough to beat the Dallas Cowboys?

No. No. No. I think it's a different football team. You're playing a different football team. Yeah, I get it. I don't know. I just, you know, we heard this last night a thousand times listening to the Rams game. It's like, man, everyone's so worried about this Rams running game and this passing attack.

They had 31 points at halftime and they had 22 yards rushing. Yeah. The notion that people are scoring all these points because they're running games is just so stupid. You're moving the goalpost on me. I'm saying what does the game call for as a coach? And in the Chiefs, the best way for them to win was eat up time of possession, run the force feed the football and from a ground game perspective because for whatever reason, your receivers,

you don't have the ability to push the ball from an X play standpoint down the field. and the offense on the other side of the field, they're number one in every major statistic, every category. So you have to keep their offense off the field by eating up time position. How do you do that? Run the football 41 times.

No, I get that. Hence the original, no, I agree with what you're saying. So are we saying? Are we agreeing or are we arguing? It goes back to what I said about what Indianapolis did. You're Shane Steichen. You have an opportunity for the knockout shot.

You've got the ball plus side, four minutes to go in the game. Why give the ball? back. Give your offense, this offense that everyone's, you know, you're saying is like so amazing and they're the best in the league. Give them an extra down to pick up the first down. And now you come out of the game and you win whatever to 17. And what's the conversation, is the conversation this morning with Kansas City, man, that run game really did. No, the conversation is their offense can't score any points. Right. I'm with you. And I agree with the

fourth and four, the coach, all that. That's the bigger picture at play. Like, that's my greater the thing that I just continue to try to pound from the rooftops because in the in the postseason when all the shitty teams are out and all the bad teams are out and it's only the good teams now defense run game ball control turnover battle field position yes all of that now has a much greater impact on the outcome of the game because for the most part you're only left with the good teams. Yeah. In the regular season, if you can't throw the ball consistently,

week in and week out, you will not score enough points to win. I agree. Yeah, Greg, too, you're like the recipe. Give them another down to go out there and get a new set of downs. Or if not, and the chiefs go down and score, unless you give that offense another opportunity for a series. Every, of course, everything pointed towards you should go for and forth. It's what every good defense, Seahawks, the Eagles to a degree.

The Rams, they're playing nickel and dime. They're saying, I want you to run the ball. Remember, the question everyone needs to ask themselves, if you just take a step back and say, okay, what's the easiest way to formulate this? If you ask defensive coordinators, hey, you call the plays, you now get to call the plays that you're going to defend.

What types of plays will defensive coordinators choose to defend? Three and a half to four and a half yard runs. That sounds amazing to every, decordinator in their league, they will sign up for 40 of those tomorrow. So why would you do it? Yeah. What does they want you to punt? They want you to kick a field goal from fourth and goal to four.

The question should be, what does the other side want me to do? I'm going to do the opposite. Yet we continue to see teams all across the league make decisions that are actually in agreement with their opponent, what the opponent would choose them to do for them. over and over and over again. Love this ball. And it's all emotion. It feels right.

It feels tough. I feel like I'm a tough team because I can run. I feel tough because I can defend the run. You're not going to run the ball down my throat. You're going to score in two plays instead of 10. That's what people, like, it's just so stupid. No, I'm with you on everything you just said. It's so emotional.

And football people don't like having their toughness question. And for 20 plus years, we've had it force fed down our throat, the value of stopping the run and it's nonsense. I'm going to stop 50 yard runs. I'm going to stop Jemir Gibbs running for 220 on 17 carries. Yes, I need to stop that. I don't need to stop 41 for 148. That's great. Patrick Mahomes threw for 352 yards.

I feel like he's yelling at us now. Yeah. No, I'm not yelling at you. I think I think I'm in the locker room. We're all on the same page. We're all agreeing at this. No, I love you. This is not you.

I'm yelling this to the ether. You guys just give me the platform to do this. No, I love being in this position, feeling like my head ball coach is talking to me and really giving me a life lesson. Best ball coaches, there might be a million people in the room. If he makes it feel like he's just talking to you,

that's a good ball coach. Like, Greg, yeah, Greg is right, but I'm still going to walk off this bus saying we need to stop the run this one. Like I'm still going to do it knowing that he is right. And I also enjoy a nice little take the points phrase. I won't like Greg. I like a little take the points phrase.

Yeah, but you're not in a position to take the points. What do you think about the Dallas, 21, 21 chance to kick the field goal at the, I don't know, what was it, the 5, 4? Where were they when they kicked it when they decided to go for it? I wanted them to take the points. Will is always going to take points. Not always. Let me see what there's a lot.

yard line. There's a lot of situations. Yeah, they were like inside the five because C.D. Liam dropped that ball in the end zone. C.D. Lamb was killing himself for that too. I know. At first he was mad at deck and then it's like coming in a realization, I got to catch that football. Yeah. I was just thinking the C.D. Lamb. CD Lamb, C.D. Lam Eagles moment. It was fourth and goal at the six. What are you doing there, Greg? Take the points. Oh, no. I'm sorry. That was the Giants game. Hold on. We're talking. So Giants had fourth and goal at the six.

That's a different animal. Hold on. Let me do Cowboys. I want to know what yard line they were on. I know it was goal to go. I just don't know what yard line it was on. They were on the, oh, fourth and goal at the one. Oh, yeah, you got to go.

Was it the one? I didn't have to go. Was it the one? Let me fact check. I'm going off of what Greg just said. Yeah, it was fourth and goal. Okay. They were first and goal.

here's what the sequence was first in gold the eight positive six yard gun gained second in gold the two one yard run third in gold the one incomplete fourth in goal to one incomplete yeah yeah you have to go for it that you if you were a fourth one that that's one that's what that's that's what that's you know they're they're they're in goal line i'm like oh my i'm like grinning tex and clump get the clip ready get the clip ready we're getting the kids in the car and then i open it up and say I see that they turn the ball over I'm like what the just happened right now what right think what your line what yard line are you kicking the three it goal to go situation so so remember now the new field goal the new extra point is

sorry the new kickoff rule is a huge factor here so I I'm at the one yard line let's say I'm at the five yard line anything inside the five yard line just for this conversation and I fail right that's worst case scenario is I don't score seven points. Or I, right, right? But if I kick the field goal, I got three points. Right. For those three points, I took a three point lead, but instead of you now possessing the ball minus five to minus one,

having to go the long way that either tie me or beat me, I kick off to you and let's say you get the ball between the 30 and the 35 yard line. I've given you 30 yards, maybe 30, yards, depending on the down, 30 to 35 yards of field position for three points, and you only now need to get two first downs and you just get your three points right back. Yep, I see that. When you have the ball on the minus one, even though you possess the ball, I on defense actually have higher probability of scoring the next point than you do, even if I don't have the ball. That's how advantageous it is to not take three points and then go do a kickoff. If you,

this was 20 years ago and I'd kick a touchback and give you the ball at the 20. It's a different math equation. It's a whole different animal. But with the ball now being at the 35 and kickers being 60 plus pretty regularly, your two first downs from just kicking it and tying me and we're all back to square anyway. Right. And now you're going to. So what did they do?

They fail. The Eagles pick up a couple first downs. They eventually fail. Give the ball back now to the Cowboys. And what did they do? they win in regulation. The goal is to win in regulation. It's not to play for a tie.

It's not to play for overtime. And it worked out exactly right. Now, as it takes a points guy, are you agreeing with it? Greg just laid that out beautifully. On the one yard line. What about fourth and five? Fourth and five, I'm taking the points.

Fourth and five. After everything he just said. After everything he just said, in that game situation. Because, again, the way Dallas came out after they scored the 21, like Dallas's defense was playing on fire. like it's three and out, three and out,

or they might get five plays. They're punting the ball. It's like punt, punt, punt, miss field goal, fumble. Like the way Dallas was playing defensively, the way that they had the momentum and control that game,

you go up three, it's 24, 21. Again, we're talking about fourth and five. I'm taking the points. That's where I'm taking the points because you're now, you're not winning the game. But are you, are you worried about you? Ask yourself this.

You take the field and the offenses take, is in the huddle. They're in their own end zone. because the ball is about to be snapped from the five versus you take the field after either a kickoff return or a touchback, whatever you want it to be. God forbid you don't hit the landing zone. The ball's at the 40.

But let's just say everything goes according to plan and the ball is somewhere between the 30 and the 35. So we're talking 25 to 30 yard of starting field position difference. You take the field for it must stop. You cannot give up any points. Where are you more comfortable? The offense starting at the 5 or the 35, five.

The five. And listen, like when an offense, great, you can test this. When the offense is backed up, like the 10 yard line in back, the minus 10 in back, the goal of the offense is not to score points there. The goal of the offense is give the punter enough room to punt. If you're backed up, get a first down. That is the goal because then now you're thinking field position.

You're not thinking as an offense. We need to go in here. He's got a first down right out of the gate after that. They got a first down right out of the gate. but they got another first down and then they failed. All right. So stick with me here. Okay.

This is the second layer besides field position. When you take a three point lead there, there was how much time left? There was, they got the ball back with like 3.30. The affiliate possessed the ball after the failed fourth down with like 3.30 on the clock in the fourth quarter. They pick up a first down. They pick up a first down. Right above the two minute warning. especially based on timeouts, you're in four-down territory.

So by being tied, you are never now as an offense in four-down territory until you cross midfield. But all of a sudden, I take a three-point lead by kicking a chip-shot field goal. I kick you the ball. You get it now at the 30 or to 35, depending on the outcome of the kickoff. The entire time you possess the ball will, the entire time I possess the ball, you've got to defend four downs. Because I'm losing. I can't punt it back to you. The game's over.

So I'm in four down mode until I get in field goal range because you kick the field goal, your odds of going to overtime. And it just, it changes because I got to defend a field goal try, four down territory from the 35 yard line. That's pretty easy. You get the ball to minus five. What's Philly saying, hey, either we win the game, but we can't give the ball back to Dallas because we don't want to lose an overtime and regulation either.

So you're not in four down mode. your calls are a little bit more conservative. You're saying, hey, let's take it easy. Let's get a couple first downs. Get to the two-minute warning. And then when we get around midfield, we'll go aggressive and we'll try to win this thing in regulation. But let's make it a walk-off. They punt on fourth down.

They take back-to-back penalties. So they punt on fourth down because it's not four-down mode. You're not in must-go mode because I'm now as an offense I'm playing for overtime. And my ability to take chances is significantly less than it was if I was trailing. by three. So it's 30 yards of field position and you don't have to defend fourth down. This conversation is

it's not even a conversation. Well, it was because we just had a, we just had a conversation. Huh? He says it's not even a conversation. I'm just saying we just had a conversation. It is a conversation because people, Greg just broke that down for me in such football terms that now I'm like, okay, I can,

you got to go for it on fourth and five on the goal line. And that is big by you. That's big by you. Because you're big stand the batter box guy and if I'm in this batter box I'm staying in this batter box chiefs that for Greg to break that down and away for you to go I understand that's huge it's growth yeah it's it's I'll very much be dig my heels in the ground especially when people just throw the term analytics and you know it's that's what the analytics say right but the way Greg just broke that down for me in football terms the way the feeling the momentum shifts the way the game's getting called the way you're thinking this and in every situation I just started to wrap my brain I want to

I want to get out a notebook and a pen. I want to call Greg after this phone call and get in a real meeting and take notes. It gets better today. That's what I want to do. We could talk ball all day. We had two teams yesterday, up three at the end of the game, Giants being one. I can't remember the other one. Up three.

Go for it on fourth down because you don't want to be up six. And it like blows people's minds. Say that again. Say that situation again. So you have the ball. Say it's the same situation. That's just take the Philly Dallas game because we were talking about. it. Philly Dallas game, but instead of that game being tied, say it's fourth and goal at the one

and Dallas is winning by three at the time of the fourth down. So they could kick a field goal to go up six or try to score a touchdown to go up 10. Okay. Following. What are you doing? You go for the touchdown. Of course. Yeah, there I feel much more comfortable going for the touchdown because again, they need a field goal just to tie you. Because a, uh, all the things you just said, Greg, if you go and you take the three, now you have six, now you're still in a goal to go situation and I know they have to get, if they score, it's over. They win the game. You're not putting, you're not putting the game away. So you have to take it. You're better off being up three than you are six. Right. Because now their mind goes to tie not to win. Correct. That's, this is, this has been

my favorite conversation I've had with you. Breaking that down. Because I didn't know that with the kickoff rules, how much that's changed everything. I think the kickoff. off rule has been so good. Yes, there's more returns. A bunch have been returned. What is there, like four that have been returned for touchdowns, three? Something like that. Yeah. There's been a couple. You know, the end of the game last week, Minnesota, who is it, Minnesota, Chicago. Yeah, Minnesota, Chicago is winning. They kick off. Chicago returns the ball back to the plus side of the field and ends up kicking the field goal to win in the last 30 seconds of the game. Like the game, it has brought more impactful plays.

I think the biggest role that it's had is it is changing how people treat the end of offensive possessions. Because kicking off is now no longer a formality. It's no longer kick it through the uprights and you get the ball. You know, it was the 20, then the 25, then the 30. And now it's the 35. And if I don't kick it in the landing zone, it's the 40. And it just keeps getting closer and closer to midfield where the advantage of kicking off is after a field goal is not what it used. to be. Right. Yeah. I, you know, but now you're seeing all these long field goals, obviously that's a

huge weapon. Short chip shot field goals to then get your opponent for three points to let your opponent get out of the shadow of their goalpost to possess the ball at the minus 35 as opposed to inside their own 10. I would just argue over the course of the season. It's just not worth to give up that field position for field goals, which we all know field goals are going to get you beat. Yeah. Yeah. It's to take a few more of these episodes, but then there'll be a situation that comes up to where now you guys, it all comes back to that run past game dilemma, you and Greg are in right now. Right.

The, I think Greg and I are saying similar things about the run game. We're just looking at it with a different lens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You love running the football. I think running the football is effective. Yeah. I think it all depends. It's strategic on the team you're playing and what puts us in the best position to win the

game. For the chiefs, the best position to win is keeping their offense off the field. which is a very unique and uncomfortable situation for the chiefs have been because they're always the team that you want to keep their offense off in the field. Obviously, I love to be in the lion situation where you run the ball 17 times for 200 yards a game. But if you have a team that can effectively run the football, which is more than 3.6, even 4 yards per carry, if you have a team that can run the football effectively in a winning way

and also throw the ball, that is a complete offense as opposed to we can beat you with our X-place. Because I think there's more ways to defend the X-plays than a team that you also have to worry about an explosive run game like the Lions. If you can't pop the big one, going down the field, play after play after play after play of a run-style offense, it is very easy to run the ball between the 30s. And Taylor, you obviously know this better than anyone. As you cross your opponent's 30-yard line and you get into like high red and then obviously into red, low-red, all that. it becomes increasingly more difficult to run the ball because the field shrinks, right? So there's not as much depth.

There's not as much grass to cover. There's not as much ability to throw the ball over my head to back me up to run the ball. But in between the 30s, I'm like, I'm not going to give up a 70-yard touchdown. So it's a little bit easier to run the ball. There's more space. There's more gaps in the defense and whatnot. As you get closer to the end zone, if you can't throw the ball, my space is now progressively getting smaller and smaller as I approach the goal line.

So I'm making, I'm entering an area of the field where what I'm doing to get here becomes progressively more difficult, which is why throwing the ball ends up scoring more points unless I can score from the 40. Yeah. Right? If I can score from the 40 or the 50 yard line, it doesn't matter what yard line I snap it from. That's obviously a great play. But to go the length, so I did the Green Bay game yesterday, right?

opening drive of the game, the first Green Bay possession, they go down, second down pass, really, over boom, touchdown. The rest of the game, they ran the ball great. Emmanuel Wilson was a dog. He was running through the Vikings. They couldn't stop them. They scored a touchdown drive on their first drive, first possession of the game. They had three offensive possessions in the first half.

And in the second half, they ran it down their throat, field goal, down their throat. down their throat field goal. The only other touchdown that Green Bay scored in a game that they dominated. The only other touchdown they scored other than their opening possession touchdown drive was the guy on the Vikings went to block a punt that bounced at the five. He went to block the gunner. The ball bounced and hit him in the foot. And Green Bay recovered the ball like inside of Minnesota's five yard line and just handed it off for a touchdown.

Right. So they dominated the game. They ran it up and down the field. You can't score touchdowns. Yeah, because it condenses the field once you get over the 30. Another thing to your point, too, is when you're watching the Chiefs and the Colts play, when the Chiefs are running the ball as much as they're running the ball, at no point as the viewer, as the Colt as a fan,

are you thinking, man, the Chiefs are real close to breaking one right now on the ground? You never think that. To me, it was a 60-minute chess play. Yeah, it was a 60-minute game of chess, which, yeah. I mean, obviously you have to throw the ball to get more points. I agree with that. The longest run, they had an 18-yard run. They had a 30-carriage.

So Kareem Hunt had 30 carries. He had an 18-yard run. His average was three and a half yards of carry. Chess. Greg's like, it's not a winning formula. If you asked. There's not a winning formula, but it is for that game. If you asked Lou, oh, God, I always mispronounce his last name,

the D-coordinator, who was in Cincinnati. Cincinnati, who's now... What's it? Aniruma, Lou Aniruma. Lou Aniromo. Aniroma, that's okay. I want to disrespect.

He's a great coach. I don't want to disrespect by Mitz pronouncing his name. If you asked him, do you want Kareem Hunt to run the ball 30 times for three yards of carry or Patrick Mahomes have the ball in his hands?

Regardless of how good the passing game is. Would you wrap, which would you pick? I would pick run the ball. The 30 carries. Of course. you would. And that's why offenses are doing what defenses want them to do, which I think is a

dangerous game. Fascinating, boys. Do we have any other? We have any other combos with Greg? What's your guys' off-season training look like right now with the kids? I'm glad you asked. We got like 20, we got a good group. I'd say give any day

20 kids, 7th and 8th graders. Group's going to shrink. And, you know, some kids are playing winter sports. Some kid, you know, so there's a little kind of fluctuation of who but give or take 15 to 20 kids Monday through Thursday 630 before school weight room shred mill track all sorts of four days a week training 630 to 715 our kids are grinding we got them in a hypertrophy mode you're really breaking them down so that way you can build some muscle mass I like that I will I like that yeah dude there I don't go to the workouts we have a really good strength and conditioning coach at school who he handles it so I just drop the kids off

and let them go do their thing. But dude, 45 minutes a day for 13, 14 year old kids, four days a week, it's amazing how much they can get done. It's amazing how much they can learn. And it's not even about like how much weights on the bar, how much weight. It's just learning how to be in the weight room,

learning how to load the rack, learning how to be on time, learning how to go through a warm up, learning how, like there are so many lessons that are built in a weight room that have nothing to do with how much I can bench press or back squat that for these seventh and eighth graders to get an early kind of look at what that looks like.

It's such, this is the first year we've ever done it. We don't typically start our football workouts until the spring. So for our kids to start this and go all winter, then we'll take the holidays off and then come back for the start of the second semester and go through, you know, late winter, early spring. I think it's going to pay off as we get rolling for next year. Yeah, you're going to jump on the opponent. How's your, uh, yeah, set the tone, man.

We're building from the ground up. What's your boy pushing these days? What is he got on the rack right now? We'll be talking here. We got 135 on the bar yet? You know what? I'm not sure, I think, which I agree with, I'm not sure if they've ever done straight bar bench.

I think all of their prone pressing type exercises, I believe they're all using dumbbell kettlebell. Smart, smart. I could be wrong on that when they get home from school. Well, they're not in school today, but when they go back again, I'm going to ask them. But I don't think they do straight bar bench, but I have to ask them.

I believe it's all dumbbell. Yeah. You boys doing some eccentric work in that weight room right now. We're in the wintertime. We're in phase one. Just slow. Three paws down. Break the body down.

Everything in your body's just shaking. Yeah. I love it. Is there anything worse? And I think this is why I haven't gotten back into training. Like every week driving home on the plane after I eat like Mike and Ikes and I drink soda in the booth and I've eaten a great steak dinner and I feel fat. I'm like Monday, I'm getting back to training. I got a gym in my basement.

Like I'm going to start getting back in shape. I think I have like PTSD. Remember like in end of February, early March when you started getting back into like your own workouts before, you know, you knew you had a couple weeks before OTAs. You're just going to get back going. Those first couple weeks felt like you've never worked out in your life. Oh, yeah. You feel like you're going to throw up. It's cold.

Your chest is burning. And you're like, I'm never going to get back. I think I had that like burned into my brain. I fear the first work. Now, picture, I haven't done a shit in five years. that first workout, the fear of what I'm going to feel like has prevented me from getting back in the weight room.

But like, that shit is real now. The first winter workout after you come back from Christmas break, let's say you don't make a bowl game, and you're back from Christmas break, you've taken the week off, you've eaten like shit, and you have a 6 a.m. And you walk out and the indoor has cones and mats

and towels and tires everywhere. And you know, you don't know exactly what's about to happen, but you know your, about to get your shit pushed in, there's not a bigger anxiety in the world than that moment right there. And just, and God forbid, you're the second group. Like, you're watching the boys come in and there's always that fat detackle who's on the ground laying like there's a couple trainers around I'm like, we got to cool him down. And you're just like, oh my God. There's a puker on the

turf and somebody that's kind of like a leader walks by and like, hey, good luck with that. When you're just thinking, oh, yeah. How was it? Hey, how was it? It's like when you walk into that like social studies test. Yeah. But you have it. eighth period. Yeah. And everyone before, he's like, it's the worst test I've ever taken.

You don't know anxiety until you go to a 6 a.m. college football workout and the unknown of not only what the workout's going to be, how hard is it going to be, how much am I going to get yelled at? But like, am I going to die? Like,

is this the end of my life in this moment? I'm scarred. Like, that anxiety I still carry with me today, hence why I don't like walk into my basement and go do a workout. I want to do workouts. I don't want to do the first workout. Yeah.

That's dude. And you are like, God forbid you do lower body after a couple weeks off. And you go to sit on the toilet two days later. It's like I might never, I might never move again. Dude, my first couple of years at Michigan,

I didn't, like I wasn't a position where you could choose when you work out. Like, if it was up to me, I'd like to go as early as possible, be the first one in so I can get it done. But when I was like a freshman sophomore, I would sit there and be like,

hey, you're the eight o'clock group. They're like a six, seven, eight o'clock group. group, I would get there two hours before and watch the workout to mentally prepare what was about to happen to my body. Yeah.

Because the thought of sleeping and being there 30 minutes before and not knowing was worse than just watching people die in front of me and be like, okay, I can handle this. I can handle that. That's going to be the hard part. I had to get past that. That's the part to get past. Buddy, it's terrifying. Like, is this an exercise that I put, you know, 80% can I get by this one?

Or the coach is going to look me in the eye and they're going to know I'm not giving it my all? If I give it my all, is this the day where I like look at? I'm like, I can't do this anymore. Because when you get older, too, go ahead. Go ahead, Greg. The thing you guys had was it was cold. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that makes it even worse. It's more just the psychology, like, of it getting dark sooner, it being cold, and, like, you're just so cozy in your bed when you wake up in the morning. You're like, fuck, we got to go do this. 5 a.m., we were complaining. Our 5 a.m., like winter mat drills or whatever, I don't know if they even do that anymore now. But, like, at Miami, we would do it outside. in, you know, January, January, January, whatever it was. And if it was like in the 50s, 60s,

you're like, oh my God, it's freezing. The ground's wet. And it was 50, 60 degrees. By noon, it was 75. Yeah. And we thought that was cold. Like doing that, now I'm sure you guys had indoors. We didn't have indoor at Miami. So we did everything outside. In the summer, though, is where it really, you really tested your medal because it was a hundred it didn't matter if you were the seven eight everyone would fight to do the morning because it was too hot to do it at nine you know you we would get if we knew we had sandpit workout we had this like big ass sandpit in the back of the athletic center if you had the sandpit workout anytime past eight a m so the sun had been up if you didn't get out there early with all the boys and kick off the top layer of the sand before you took your socks and

shoes off to go do the workout. Not only were you going to puke, you were going to burn the bottom of your feet off. That was the shit we'd wake up and be like, all right, today's sand day. I got to get there 20 minutes early so I can clear the top layer of sand. Yeah. Just the thought too in the winter of how bad do you want this when you're walking out of your house at 5.30 in the morning and snow is all over the car because you don't have your car in a garage because you're in a little townhouse or a dorm room, whatever it is. You're not smart enough to put your windshield wipers up. Yeah.

And you don't have a self-starter so you can't walk out there. You got to turn the car on while you're getting snow in your shoes. You're scraping off the window. You're driving to the facility and it hasn't even heated up in your car yet. You get out and Linking Nebraska and there's a side like East Stadium or whatever side of the stadium where wind is just smoking you in the face as you're walking in the facility of like, how bad do I want this life? those are the moments that do test you as a man.

Then you walk into that 6 a.m. and you got the sleds everywhere, everything you were explaining earlier, the tires, the boys puke and before the workout start when the first group's over with. That is, man. That world you're living in.

For me, when I was in college, it was always like playing the game. Like, I would live close enough to the facilities where I would just walk. And I would think about how cold I am. But then in my brain,

I'd be like, think of how much you're going to wish you were cold in an hour or an hour and a half or 30 minutes. Yeah. So that game, so I'd be like, okay, this is not that bad because I'm there. And then once I would start to work out, I think to myself, bro, 45 minutes from now, it's over. Like there's nothing to worry about anymore. Like that type of like mental warfare game that you're playing with yourself is the best.

It's a thing you look back on. You're like, I fucking hate it. It changes. Like your body is hurting because of what happened to you when you're younger that we're talking about right now. But it is what makes you a man. It is like your bar. Yeah, like is my L4 and L5 deteriorating right now? because what we went through when we were in our college days.

Yeah, absolutely. But it's also part of our detriment right now is old men because we have that PTSD because there's nothing in our brain that is allowing us. It's just what I'm trying to be graceful for with. It's like, hey, Will, it's okay to just go in and exercise and get a sweat in with some zone two or a light workout. Like in our brains, you have to get in there and get after it to the most extreme, like right out of the gate.

That's why you won't walk into that basement because there's nothing in your brain that's saying, hey, it's okay to just go in and sweat, just a little bit. No, you want to push yourself to the limits. You want to die. Or do that essential work. You've got to feel something with the, and I'm going to die. Yeah, with the delayed onset, with the, with the, with the, with the dom soreness. Yeah. Yeah, like, you, you're almost scared because we feel like we, those are the workouts we have to do to get back in it. But in the reality, boys, that's not what it is. No, it is. We just got to be okay with just going in and just getting some

sweat in. You're wrong. That's how I'm trying to talk to myself right now, because I'm a fat piece of shit and I've been handling myself very poorly. Like, I just tell my wife, like, I've got to get, I've got to get. This is when I'm going to start getting after. And then the next year. And New Year's resolution with the boys. That's every year. It's every year.

And the New Year's Resolution, that's where I'm like, that's where I just feel like a mortal because do I, I don't want to be a New Year's Resolution guy. Like, I want to get started. But I told myself last night, I was going to get started the day. I didn't. My youngest got sick. She threw up in the middle of the night. And then the 6 a.m. alarm hit and I turned it off.

Yeah. Because I'm like, I've got to try to get some sleep in. Literally your morning was my exact morning. I was like, buddy, says I, I've had, Greg, I don't know if you notice, I've had gout. And it's been so awful that I was legit horizontal for 72 hours. So the point where I'm like learning how to walk again as a human, like as an adult. And I set my alarm last night. I was like, I'm going to wake up at six. I'm going to hit the sauna, do the red light, zone two cardio. And I'm going to get a workout

in. I'm going to get back into a rhythm. Six a.m. hit. Turn that bitch to eight. And I was like, I'll see it eight at a. And I didn't even flinch at it. To where the old me is like, you're a pussy dude get up right now and i would count down from three and when i hit one i would stand up and go do it so we're a shell of ourselves boys i'm absolutely like you guys talk about being a fat piece of shit but we're all in a we're all in it together yeah we're all in it together you guys talk about being a fat piece of shit i'm a skinny little bitch right now i've lost 20 pounds i took my shirt off and looked in the mirror last night and i look like dan ralofsky i'm looking like skeletor dude i look at my body it's taking strays for no reason well you know dan dan he's

deserved it. I'll say that you've seen a couple of... I'd rather be skeletory than having to grab my muffin top and wiggle it around and just be like, God, you are disgusting, Will. Yes, I'll take this pie. And then you got my dog Luke, who's just absolutely yoked and strong. He lifts every day. He's deadlifting. He's a monster. Yeah. He only eats clean. We'll go out for, I'll be like, hey, I'm going to take a pizza and a burger. He's like, I'll take a Greek salad. I'm like, I hate you, but I love you. Yeah. Yeah. God, that this is... You hate him because you want to be like him. Yeah, I'm like, I wish I had your discipline because when we go to the beach this offseason and we both go shirtless, like my wife's going to be looking at you. Yeah.

And that's the shitty truth, but it's all good. And I'm looking at you too. So it's all good. Yeah, 100%. Is there, I feel like dudes like jack dudes. Girls don't admire that more than like guys will be like, look, you see this fucking guy over here? This guy looks pretty good. Oh, yeah.

And your wife's just like, all right. Here's like, no. Every time I see looking like, dude, you look great. Yeah. You got to like pump each other up Got to. We'll have to get an accountability buddy group check going on.

We have to. I feel like we have to. Like, hey, what did you do this morning? When I get off this call right now, my wife and kids are out of town, I'm going to sit in the sauna and that starts the revolution.

We're going to start small. It starts now. Send us a picture of the sauna. All right. I'll text you guys. We'll start accountability. All right. Accountability.

Love you, Greg. All right, boys. Appreciate you, Greg. Round and a pause for Greg. Thanks, buddy. Hey, how about that fucking. lesson on the new kickoff rules and all that loved it loved it loved all of it love like you know because i'm just i get in my ways of believing in defense if defense is playing well stop the run

play good defense take the points and uh yeah i'm learning i'm learning some good ball learning some good ball that you know i'll get to utilize it when i'm a head coach one day um before we get into college oh we have to do tear talk too but we'll do a couple tier talks jack i want your opinion on the titans game please. I want to hear about it. Right now? Right now. Titans are such a waste of time, dude. Sorry. Damn. That's fucking insane. I'm just thinking like...

That was the most competitive game of the Titans have played. That's the best they've looked all year. Cam Ward looked great. There was great signs. They need to keep Restrepo in there. I don't know why he hasn't been playing at all when him and Cam both know the same schemes. They play so well together. They're just a good fit. He didn't do much. He almost had two opportunities to score. one drop ball in the end zone facing away from where I was

and then one that was right on the goal line. But yeah, I mean, you don't really go in with too much expectation like we've stated the last few weeks. I go in there just trying to get out alive. Seahawks fans travel well. Some people around me, assholes, you know, and you just have to take it on the chin. But I felt encouraged, at least from Cam Ward's perspective,

he looked great. He had a lot of promising plays. the scramble play where he was evading every single person and then throws that cross body to Restrepo. It was fun. I mean, back-to-back weeks, playing against two of some of the best defenses in the league

is something that Titans fans should feel good about moving forward. Again, it's kind of a lose-lose situation right now being now 1 and 10, but for the most part, I enjoyed the game, even though I had no expectation to win. playing against good defenses with the current state of the Titans, I think it's something that we should all look forward to next year.

Again, let's just move forward. We have another home game next week, so we'll see. It's not much. Can I tell you a vision that I had while you're speaking? Please. It's 2029. The new stadium is open. We're currently in that last week of November, as we are right now, just in the future.

The Titans are the number one seed in the AFC at this point. They're essentially like the Patriots. see right now. You're in the game. You've got your tickets. You're sitting there. And all around you is just Titans fans everywhere. Wearing tight pants and the boots and they got their little, the flannel jacket on, but they're not really, they're wearing a jersey, but it's very new and fresh. And you get to sit there with your old tattered jersey and your, your Titans outfit you wear for the most part. And you get to lean back in your chair and go, these might be fans now, but I've been here since day one. And that is what you're fighting for right now. And it juices me. They've been the fighter.

fuck up to think about you and these other, you know, East Nashville, I'm thinking about a bunch of East Nashville cats, right? That's all I'm thinking about. We got nose rings. We got different colored hair. We got the boots. We got the, we got the flannel shirts on. They're dressing up for an event. You're dressing up for a game. And you get to sit back with them and be like, hey, we fucking did it. Here we are. We built this. We built this. I built this. I built this. And all the colored hair, nose rings, boots, tight pants. They're welcome. Yeah. We need fans in there. Right.

People that believe in the organization. So hopefully it does. I unfortunately, I went to the game solo. Brothers out of town. Dad couldn't make it. My friend that I invited bailed on me last second. So just.

This is how bad do I want this situation? Yeah, exactly. I walked into the game with headphones on. Just I didn't take them out until I sat my seat. I was listening to the radio broadcast a little bit. I met up with Buck at halftime. He's like, there's no way you're listening to the radio broadcast.

I was like, I mean, I'm just trying to just. kill the time at this point but yeah it's that moment right there when you do conquer it's you weren't with me shooting in the gym when we were in hell right but people want to see the tip of the iceberg they want to see all the taste to become the iceberg very true i'm definitely not going to be that fan though god willing we are a winning organization in our new stadium and years to come i won't be the fan it's like you motherfuckers weren't here like don't come if you weren't here

when we were losing we need everybody right everyone i don't see you being that fan in that situation, I see people being like, I'm the biggest Titans fan and that's when that type of Jack rears its ugly head. Yeah. You think you're a real fan? I was there in 2025. I haven't been drinking at these games. I feel like I just see everything so clearly.

Like my aggression, my aggression. A sober Jack at a Titans game is crazy. That is how bad it's been. Jack is sober. You just got to feel everything. At this game. During this one win season. But I do think the best thing to take away from it.

is Cam Ward looked great and DK is going to be an all star for us as long as we can keep him healthy he has been great it's funny because in the last I think three games we've had four total touchdowns two of them have come from

Shemira AdK two of them have come from our offense so it's fun Cam Ward got himself a TD he was fighting hard man so I don't know we're just going to keep pushing forward we got Thanksgiving coming up this week. We're just grateful that the weather was beautiful yesterday.

We had our time to be nasty earlier in the show. Not anymore. No. Grateful, grateful, grateful, all the way through. Let's do a couple of tier talks, and then let's get these beautiful fans who are listening to the show out of here. This person comes from, this is Rambo,

at 4th, oh wow. At underscore Will Compton, what team would you retire with, the Washington, Titans, or the Raiders? And who do you root for the most? If I could retire with one of those teams It would for sure be Washington Okay

That is where I kind of cut my teeth in the league That is where football Matter the most in my life It's that is the That is the time where I would have literally Died for all of my teammates Who do I root for? I just root for good football

I love watching good football out there Like I want to see those teams do well Washington the Raiders and Titans They're not very good whatsoever however this year. I do want to see those teams be successful. When it comes to the NFL, it's a lot different than college. Obviously, I'm a diehard Nebraska fan, will be forever.

Like in the NFL, I felt like more of a, outside of Washington, just more of a mercenary around the league. I just root for some good football. Yeah. I root for some good football. I love watching the game of ball. We need everybody. We need everybody.

We need everybody. Here's hashtag tier talk from our boy, Caleb Ingram. If you're the Titans GM, what coach are you going? going after and who's your first free agent target? I believe this is a question for Jack, question for Taylor. Yeah, I think the coach you go after is Arthur Smith. That's our guy. And then when it comes for a free agent,

we got a lot to look into. You can't pour more money into the offensive line. They've got to figure it out. Wide receiver, corner. Jack? Yeah, I would agree. Probably I would start at a secondary position, but a wide receiver would be great.

We paid Calvin Ridley. lot of money, hasn't done too much, he's injured, but D.K., like I'm saying, he is going to be a great guy. Alike O'Manor could be someone as well. For coaching, you kind of talked to me into the Arthur Smith realm, and I don't hate it at all. Knows the organization. I think it'd be great. I still wouldn't hate Joe Brady pool, but again, I think I'd like some guy with more head coach experience. So I don't know. Right now, Mike McCoy, don't have. hate him. Don't want him as the coach, but for now as an interim, he's doing the best he can with a bad situation. Yeah, let's not get back into the interim head coach world. Let's, hey, Mike,

you're doing a great job. Appreciate you. You know what's going to happen. I know. But just, yeah, I know. But as of right now, we can just go on with the day. Has Joe Brady lost himself a little bit of juice with the way the office is playing? I mean. Question. No, yeah. I mean, yeah. Who knows, man. The bills have been so inconsistent. Yeah. And they have, you know, they're, they're battling on defense. Like they, their defense isn't at all helpful for Josh Allen in that office because they can run the football, Josh Allen, he can be a superhero.

I don't feel like they have much on the outside to work with. One thing before we do move on to college football, which will be coming out here soon, we can't go. We can't, we can't not talk about the NFC North right now with the bears, the lions, and the Packers. Yeah, it's interesting. Bears still at the top of the division. All three teams won this weekend.

Yeah, Bears got the Eagles this week. Yeah. Defense, very suspect, very opportunistic defensively. They got a lot of holes defensively. Like you're able to kind of do anything on them. It will be fun to watch Caleb Williams and Jalen Hertz duel it out. Caleb Williams, bro, is that close. Dan Oloffsky said we can't evaluate our judge Caleb Williams until November.

Well, we're in November, and I'll be honest, I like Caleb Williams. Yeah. That's a damn good football player. I was watching the Bears' offense last night and just kind of scanning through Caleb Williams like, bro, he is right there. If he just gets some accuracy on that ball, which I think that stuff will come, because he's one of the more, like,

statistically one of the more inaccurate passers. But man, he is right there. He's excited to watch it. Yeah. Caleb Williams is kind of nice. He's kind of nice. Kind of nice. Caleb Williams is, hey, he's solid.

I think I've never had in my mind an opinion of a player goes so dramatically different from like August to now. Oh, yeah. And again, like for me, I'm a victim of not like watching all of the Caleb Williams ball. It's kind of just the tone that everybody else would have with them, kind of how that's transcended. But the dude, like the way they're calling plays,

the creativity on offense, the way he's kind of seeing the field going through his progression, the way he can keep plays alive. He has a live arm. He's nobody that gets deterred from his inaccurate throwing, like the dude keeps slinging it. Yeah. He is that close.

And I don't know if we want to end on this, but you know who thought Caleb Williams would be great this year? Delaney Walker. He called it again. Delaney strikes again. Delaney strikes again. He's done it twice as here. Mac Jones.

Caleb Williams? Shadere's going to fall. Mac Jones. Caleb Williams. Yeah. Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert. Yeah, Justin Herbert.

Who continues to be. Justin Herbert's kind of a guy. Delaney Walker. Kind of nice. Kind of nice with his quarterback opinions. You can't pick a game to save his life, but he's kind of nice with the quarterbacks. All right. If you guys are listening right on audio, college football,

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Fellas, where do we want to start? I think we got rivalry week coming up. Rivalry week coming up. We got college football playoffs coming up. We got a lot of massive games on the slate. I think we quickly get to what's going to be coming up this week in college sports. Yeah. Do you want to quickly go over what happened this past week?

Or do you want to jump a right to rivalry week? We don't even have to recap this past week. We don't have to. That's just, that's my humble opinion. Do we need to? Is there anything we need to talk about? What are y'all's thoughts on Dan Lannings' comments? What did what did say?

He said, he essentially said in a nutshell. Took a shot at a school that doesn't exist. Took a shot, took a shot at the SEC. He's like, you know, we're out here competing. We're not playing anybody like Chattanooga State this week. Good for him. I did see that. I did see that.

Yeah, I think it's awesome. I mean. You've seen the clip of him when he was at Georgia, though, saying the same exact thing about the Big Ten? Yeah. Oh, really? He knows he's also in the entertainment business. He's playing the game. People are talking about Lane Kiff and being good at the internet.

Dan Laining needs to... Yeah, Dan's living in present life. He knows that the internet, like, if you say something, it doesn't exist a year later. Well, you can say whatever you want and then reevaluate your opinions. Shout out Oregon covering. I said they wouldn't. I said USC was going to make it close.

Good for them, man. Yeah. Rundap plus for Dan Laining. I mean, that is... That was the game they needed. People are saying that he walks a locker room. He saw people doubting him on the locker room. And for that reason,

They covered against USC. So we will take a little bit of credit on that. Oh, you're right. Last Saturday, it doesn't matter. This week is the most important week in all of college football. Rivalries. Like South Carolina playing Clemson this week, right? Every the winter, the spring, the summer, at some point,

Clemson is mentioned on a weekly basis. Hey, we have to beat Clemson. Same thing goes for Clemson talking about South Carolina. We have to beat that team. all right Nebraska plays Iowa all right at some point if Nebraska and Iowa are the other franchises the programs we claim them to be they're sitting there they got to beat Nebraska Nebraska Nebraska's got to beat Iowa Auburn Alabama like every year doesn't matter how good or how bad a team is we got to take that game seriously because there's always implications coming up there's always something Vanderbilt and Tennessee a newly like regenerated rivalry taking place one team has playoff hopes the other team is hoping to to break the playoff hopes. It's very unique to see which team has a playoff hope.

Who's going to conquer the state? Who is going to win the state? Texas A&M at Texas. Texas. Texas A&M at Texas. They haven't played in 13 years. And they're now playing. That rivalry is back.

And there's nothing like bringing the rivalry back the way that Notre Dame and Michigan should be back. All of those rivalry games are important. There is not one in college football or maybe in all of sports that matter more than Michigan versus a whole. Ohio State. Ohio State, the number one team to land, Michigan in the teens of the top 25 right now. And boys, I'm just telling you, Michigan's won the last four.

Every game has meant something, right? Playoff implications. And then there's that one that took place last year where Michigan is 20 and a half point underdogs. And they go and they beat Ohio State 13 to 10 and bully them into submission and winning that game. And this is, the rivalry is truly, in my opinion, and I haven't lived through the 80s and 90s and loving the team that way or being alive. I think the rivalry is in the best place it's ever been. I'm sure Ohio State fans would probably disagree with that. But say what you want, like the last 20 years before these last four games, Ohio State's kind of ran Michigan shit.

All right, they won two in 20 years. Now it's like the hatred's at an all-time high. Flags are being planted. Congress is sitting there changing laws in Ohio because of what Michigan. is done. There's fights taking place. There's Mace being put out by police officers after games. Jawing, fighting. When I was there and Michigan was bad, we only beat them one time. And every game, though, was relatively competitive. My senior year, we'd go for two at the end of the game. And don't get it. We lose that game 42 to 41. This game defines a season. Look at Ohio State.

Ohio State wins the national championship last year. And every person that doesn't like Ohio State goes, but you couldn't beat Michigan. you have a blemish on your national championship because you could not beat Michigan. So for 365, Ohio State's had to eat, you know, eat crow, eat, meat, whatever the term is, they have had to fight, scratch, and claw. And now your two best wide receivers may or may not play in this game. And Michigan has had their best game they've had all year against Maryland. They have an incredible run game. They've had an incredible run game.

Their defense is playing the best they have since the USC game. We have a kid that could be great, has all the talents, has all the things. things that show that he could be him. And it all comes down to this game. Michigan wins. They make the playoffs. Ohio State wins. There's half of a decade off of your back right now.

Ryan Day gets the credit that he truly does deserve. I'm switching my opinion up a little bit in that because last year I said that he's not a leader of men. He's not this and that. You brought up a great article that you can talk about. This game means everything. And it's in Ann Arbor, kicks off at 12 Eastern, and it is going to be. to be if Michigan wins this game, when Michigan wins this game, we will truly own Ohio State.

There's no more excuses. It's been 2,139 days since the last time Ohio State beat Michigan, which is in insane, statutes of these hype videos that are going to be coming out this entire week. And every year, Ohio State's the number one, their top three team every single year. And the winged helmet, they see the winged helmet and they shit themselves. Now, new OC, new DC, Matt Patricia, he has one of the best defenses in the last 20 years coming out of Ohio State. People are saying who have they played? They haven't really played anybody.

Now, Brian Hartline, before things go down this week and I start probably getting nasty or whatever, I have, I don't like how much respect I have for Brian Hartline. He does an incredible job. Obviously, you see the recruiting. He was the wide receivers coach. This is his first year being the O.C. like he's done an incredible job as the OC he has a great job recruiting he's got

probably the two best players in college football out in the perimeter for him and the best defense I think they are number one defense in all of college football what an opportunity for both teams and it is dude the thing this is what matters is if Michigan wins this game

we own Ohio State if Michigan loses this game and Ohio State wins you guys win like you guys have there's no like we own you because the last four years you've owned us those 20 before that. Like, if you win the game, you are the winner. There's no like the broken man.

Myself, who would be the broken man better? Yeah, but we won the last four. We all know that it'll be hollow at the end of this. It means everything. How much does it mean? It means everything, dude. This is the game, like, thank you all for another episode of Boston boys. You win the game or you're the winner.

Yeah, you guys can laugh all you want. You laugh all you want. You guys don't understand. This is the, if you win the game. This is the biggest rivalry in all of sports. I don't expect you to understand. It is, it is big. It is massive. You said that, we all got some rivalry games now. Yes, some. You said they, but not like, Will's not over here talking about we got Iowa, Ohio. It's like that's not like a, that's not like I'm not even saying that. Nebraska talks about. We haven't got a word in. You talk about South Carolina. You're probably better about the Clemson thing. You said that Ohio State is an

asterisk next to their Natty because it couldn't beat Michigan. Yeah. So the last two the importance of this game is the Battle of the Aschrik? I mean, that's petty. I think we looked at what the NCAA did. They charged Michigan with $20 million, like, dropping the bucket, move on. That just shows they had nothing. Like, that's nothing to a program of Michigan's caliber.

No. Yeah, yeah, the game is massive. The game is everything. The game is everything. Everything. It is. It's the only game that matters this weekend. I'm sorry.

Like, yeah, I'm sorry. For the casual viewer. For the casual viewer, who doesn't, you know, football, they don't have a team. They just say, hey, Saturday football, like, people be like, oh, shit, Michigan's playing Ohio State this week. You know, like, they're not like doing that with a lot of, maybe Auburn, Alabama, maybe. Most likely. But people are sitting there going, yo, Michigan and Ohio State play this week. It's just tough.

That's the casual fans not thinking. It's tough for that game to hold, like, a ton of weight in the South because it's at 11 a.m. and it's just like hard to get up for a game like that at 11 a.m. They need to move it. I think it's awesome. I think it's awesome. I think it's awesome. I will say,

fog in the morning. This is the most excited for a game that I've been just because I'm getting to watch just from the outside looking in, seeing the rivalry unfold the way it has, especially in this era of social media and everything else. It's like when you go back to Alabama Vanderbilt, when Alabama beat Georgia, the first thought after Alabama beat Georgia.

They don't even care about the win. All they knows that they have Vanderbilt on the schedule next week. I feel like it's the exact same way for both of these teams with Michigan and Ohio State. Everybody knows what's at stake here. Ohio State fans just getting to watch it from afar. Just the pettiness, the going at each other, each fan based the way Michigan is just strutted around and shit on Ohio State fans for the last four years, especially after last year when Michigan was 20 and a half point underdogs

and you go in and beat Ohio State and they go on to win the next year. Natty. No one. It's like everybody from Michigan, make sure they make sure that Ohio State fans feel like that doesn't even matter because you can't beat Michigan. I'm so excited for this game just because, again, you guys are coming off playing your best ball with Michigan.

Bryce Underwood, the run game, all that stuff. Questionable. I hope those receivers get to play for Ohio State. Because everybody knows that everybody wants the best ball to be played on Saturday because this does feel like a war that is brewing. Every commercial that talks about the game happening, the clips where you see both locker rooms chirping each other going at each other, barking at each other when they're in the tunnel.

It's going to be electric. I cannot wait to watch this game this weekend. The pettiness, the fighting, the cops with the mace, like people say, oh, there's no place for that in college football. Like this storyline that's taken place over the last three, four years, the hey, Michigan, you guys are cheaters, we're going to beat your ass. Ohio State puts the most money in to college football that any other teams possibly put in because they want to win a national championship

and they need to beat Michigan and then they don't. like people trying to change laws in Ohio making it a crime to plan a flight on the 50 yard line like this is what makes this is what makes college football the best pornoi posted a little kid just they were reenacting they were reenacting the flag plant yeah in a play in a play in a play

like the storyline of Michigan with the national championship the scandals the beating ohio state the last four years Ohio state storyline of winning the nattie losing the Michigan Ryan Day's storyline, his story arc with Ohio State and this being the game, it's like everything is pointing to cinema this weekend. Yeah. It is, it is going to be, it's everything, dude.

Everything and imagine. It's like everybody knows how great of an athlete Bryce Underwood, Bryce Underwood is. And he hasn't really had his moment this season of where the whole country is like, whoa, Bryce Underwood is different. And imagine that moment happens in the biggest game of the season. Bro. Because it could. And if I'm a Michigan fan, that's probably all I'm thinking about this whole week.

It's like this is the game that Bryce Under. Yeah. The world finds out. Because as like a Michigan fan, like when you're watching this kid, Bryce Underwood start to play and, you know, you fumble against Oklahoma. You fumble against USC. And it's like you see these flashes that are like, oh my God. The first thing was just watching the first game and him completing a pass.

It's like, I haven't seen that in here. Like that's just amazing two. see and then like you catch yourself as a michigan fan like watching bryce underwood stat line over and over again because you're like hey we got to keep it above we want this we want that like and you just after oklahoma and u sc the rest of the games are like how do you get prepared for oh house state that's really what the rest of the game's turn to you see us almost skid and fall off the rails against northwestern that changes the whole dynamic of this week it doesn't it doesn't like it's still very important but the implications are are so much more but you're right

dude like this kid like he doesn't have like i think joe klotz said this like he doesn't need to be the factor in this game but he needs to be a factor in this game in order for mission to win this game especially if there's both those wide receivers play who knows with our running back like justice hayes broke his foot he's not playing in this game uh jordan marshall goes down in northwestern there's where like he could have played in this last game as an emergency back but they want to get him healthy we have a walk-on running back who rushes for over 100 yards and it's like you have you have six freshmen starting on that offense. I think there's 11 total freshmen that are playing significant snaps for Michigan right now.

You said three are on the line. Three on the line. And you don't have a player on Michigan's roster that has lost to Ohio State. And on the contrary, you don't have a player on Ohio State's roster that's beaten Michigan. Dude, the hate is beautiful. And I think that was so crazy is like if you really, you know, melted everything down to the core is like, yeah, I have a level of respect for Ohio State that I don't necessarily carry for like a Michigan State.

I don't respect Michigan State as a program. And I think most Michigan fans would probably agree with that. From Ohio State standpoint, you can hate as much as you want, but you're going to tip the cap and be like, that's a well-run program. And so including all the hate that's taking place, the fact that the line's at 12 and a half and now it's moved to 10 and a half.

Yeah. Buddy. This is like that game where Bryce needs to, if he has the op, take like the six-yard run, get down. Yeah. Like just move the ball, move the chains when you have that window.

No mistakes. Could you see it like, what if he gets a shot in, do? What if he gets a 30-yard, 40-yard bomb? And it's like, you know, we have this. And then we have the explosive run that we've had in every single game this year. Can I come over and watch the game with you? Yeah. I think that'd be fun.

Okay, yeah. You want to do that, absolutely. I mean. It'll be Saturday. I know. Me and my kids, bro. At 11 o'clock. I'll be there if I'm allowed.

Dude, it is so fucking excited. I am very... This week. Because someone's heart's getting broken. One promo goes way too hard. Way too hard. Yeah. Poor Jack,

Sawyer, you're just getting used for the promo. I know, I know, yeah. And the thing that's crazy with that promo is last year we sat here and people are like, there's no room for this. And I said, if you think there's truly no room for this in college football, then do not use any of the shit that took place as a promo.

And here we are a year later. There's room for a minute a day on TV. Yeah. And you guys like, oh, we can't have this. That's all a saving face. People love it. People love it. They need it.

Like Jack Sawyer, great kid. Hope he has a great career at the Steelers. You need that. You need to have that in college football. The hate, the storyline, everything is what makes it count. So yeah, dude. Michigan's winning this game, bro. This is big Bryce Underwood game right here.

Big Bryce underwood game right here. This is a big Michigan identity game right here. I think, like to Joe Clyde's thing, I think he's a fact. if you guys are winning this game by like a two touchdown, like a two-score game. But in every other scenario, I feel like it's Bryce Underwood.

Like if you guys lose closer, you're within striking range. It's like all eyes. It's like this is a Bryce Underwood moment. You guys win a, yeah, if you guys win a close game, to me it's going to be something that Bryce Underwood did. If you need him to win through the air and you guys are down,

it's going to be a Bryce Underwood moment. Yeah. This is, it's going to be so fun to watch. And we've, the last two, week so we've sat out like four defensive players. Ernest Housman didn't play last week. Is there a real chance Ohio State sits out,

Carnal Tate and Jeremy? There's no way they're going to sit those guys out. There's a real world where they are too injured to play, which to me can't have that, bro. Hey, Mitch, you cannot have that. They're undisclosed. Ohio State will not say.

I looked into it all yesterday. But Mitch doesn't know, just someone on the back channels is Ohio State guy? They won't say. It's no and I'm not. He said, oh, they're hurt. No, I knew they were hurt, but I, like... I know, but I do have enough respect for you that you would know that.

Yeah. If the information's available. Yeah. Yeah. They've just done an incredible job with keeping it tight. Everything's in house. Like, you watch the... They played Rutgers.

Ohio State played Rutgers this past week before that they played UCLA. And Jeremiah Smith was kind of in there sparingly. He played the first half, not the second half. You watching him walk to the locker room, he is truly... He looks like me with Gout. Jeremiah Smith might have doubt I do like before Shirm looked this up because it says it here

but I didn't know it was like a lower body I think I wouldn't doubt that like Carnells it's like a hamstring your knee and then I think Jeremiah Smith is like an ankle got you I mean buddy and big like obviously it's all about beating Ohio State

but also big implication for you guys playoff wise like if you guys win are you guys in the Big Ten championship I was trying to look it up yesterday I was kind of going through the big 10 scenario? I might have just locked it, right? What are the,

yeah, look up Big Ten championship scenarios. We need USC to lose. But Indiana did. Yeah. I think Indiana has a tiebreaker over Oregon.

We would have the tiebreaker over Ohio State. Could be Indiana, Oregon. Could be Indiana, Oregon. If Oregon loses the Washington this week, which I don't see happening. Like that.

I don't think y'all would be in the Big Ten championship, but I think y'all would jump up into the top 12. Oh, yeah, I think we're for sure. You can't keep us. Yeah. Okay, so it is.

If you guys win, it'd be Oregon. If you guys win, it'd be Oregon, Indiana. Oh, a scenario. Indiana beats Purdue and Michigan beats Ohio State. That's how Indiana plus Michigan. Oregon does still have to be Washington. Go boilermakers. Another great opportunity for Ohio State, though, if they do lose the Michigan,

don't play in the Big Ten championship like they did last year. Get healthy for the playoff run. Yeah, do you punt? Say, hey, Indiana, you got it. there's like pros and cons to the the big 10 championship Michigan's in a great spot if they win they don't you don't want to be in the big 10 James we just got to win yeah that'd be the best situation of being you you're a 10 and two team on the outside not having to play championship

game because you're looking at you're looking at the scenario with Alabama if it's Alabama A&M and A&M beats Alabama it's like there's a three loss Alabama fall out of the playoff because everybody's so tight right now and by the way shout out to pit shout out to pit for mopping the floor with Georgia Tech because now Georgia tech's out of it and you're looking at a crazy piss me off so much dude pissed me the fuck off I don't care about like who beat who

the locker room I was gonna take SMU over Louisville we saw SMU beat the breaks up of Louisville and just for the record sake clump texted me in the morning 7 a.m. on Wednesday hey do you mind if we change this game so now I'm just kind of like guessing

and I end up taking Georgia Georgia Tech well you follow Pete you should have followed your boy well your boy saw the board man It was clearly pit. It was always. Dude, this game means everything. It was always pit. But you'll have a...

There's no excuse either way. With the ACC, you'll have Virginia, Pitt, SMU, Georgia Tech. And again, like, you got Virginia, Virginia Tech. Like, Virginia Tech sleeps and sneaks up on Virginia and wins that game. Virginia is then... Would they even be in the ACC championship? No, they'll be out. Then you're looking at a scenario of a G5 team.

JMU or Tulane, like they take care of business when their conference. They could be ranked higher than the ACC champion because right now the highest rated ACC team right now is Virginia. But they're at what, like 17 or something like there, 15? Yeah, I guess it depends on what the committee does with the playoff rankings. But they could fall below the G5 conference champion. And that's what they're saying is that's how you would get away with leaving. Yeah, the G5 would have the automatic conference champion bid.

So with the ACC champion, but they would be used as an at-large pick. versus having like the auto championship, you know what I mean, where they get kind of seated that way. They'd be like an at-large team that gets in. Strom just wrote up here. There are eight SEC championship scenarios and there are six ACC championship scenarios.

The ACC one is the most one where there could be the most chaos. Like something likely happen, I think Virginia Tech beating Virginia versus like the SEC. It's like, you guys should take care of Auburn. Because as long as Alabama wins, they're going to be in against Texas A&M. Like Texas A&M is going to be in whether they win, they win or lose against Texas.

I think if A&M loses, there's a world, someone. Take the mic. I think if A&M loses, there's a world, like if, I mean,

if there's eight scenarios, right? If A&M loses, there's got to be, like, is there a world? It's Georgia and Alabama. Because they would only have,

they would only have, like A&M would still be in no matter what. Yeah. Yeah, I think they clinch theirs. It would come down to. Alabama versus Georgia. Hold on.

Go down. Go down. Georgia loses cinema. Go down. Georgia and Bama lose it and whoever. It probably comes down to like, Ole Miss winning a losing. Alabama versus Old Miss.

Texas A&M loses the Texas. Alabama wins out. Ole Miss wins out. Georgia wins out. Georgia, so Georgia's got to lose to Georgia Tech. Right. So that's how A&M misses. Georgia versus Texas.

Texas beats A&M. Georgia beats Texas. Yeah, but that's, yeah. Texas beats A&M. Georgia beat Texas. Alabama. is at least one.

I feel like the chat GBT versions of it's kind of confusing. Yeah, it's kind of confusing. Because Chad GPT doesn't already doesn't have the... They don't know ball at all. No, they're always out of here, Sherr. Just type that in on Google. Look at him, bro. If we somehow ended up with a...

Yeah. Hey, not to bring it back to the game, but thinking about the implications for Bryce Underwood as well, saying like they've never seen a freshman like me. He's on rich eyes and he's telling LeBron James, like, you guys are never going to win again. And now it's time to find out. Yeah.

You know he's only 18. Turned 18 in August 11th, yeah. Our computer's still trying to load here. I mean, here they are. So George's in with an Alabama loss or an A&M loss. Alabama wins they're in. A&M win or Alabama loss,

Ole Miss is in if they win, the Egg Bowl, A&M loss, and Bama loss. So Alabama and Texas A&M winning in? Got you. So it's not eight scenarios in the SEC. That was just Chad GPT's version. And that was stated only five weeks ago scenario. This is why we get coined as football players with brain damage.

Yeah. Because of Chad GBT. Because of the books. I looked at it. Oh, there's eight situations here. Actually, no,

there's not. Eight ways for chaos. Yeah. So ACC is the most exciting piece of chaos. Yeah. That's one that could, we could see something like that. I think it's an ACC game this weekend,

sure. I think it's the least exciting. If SMU gets into the college football playoff, we need to have someone step in and change the playoff this year. SMU, if they win the ACCC and get in, that's horrible. But it's the most exciting because of the chaos that could happen. If you get this weak ACC conference, which we've been saying, like, say Virginia loses,

like what team should actually go into the college football playoff from the ACC? None of them. Okay, yeah, okay. Miami, them being 10. to end the year. They would have one because, again, they beat Notre Dame head-to-head, even though Notre Dame, like, Notre Dame is a good football team right now, but they do have that head-to-head win. So that's where it's like, if there's a team that does come out of the ACC, it would be only Miami. It's like the

ACC champion. Like, right, boys? Yeah, right, boys? Yeah, right, boys? It's kind of, I thought it was inhaling for more. Yeah, dude. Notre Dame has been handling. 70 to 0 in Syracuse. Would they have three? They had three defensive or special team touchdowns in the first quarter. Did the offense even come out for the first quarter?

The offense scored their fourth touchdown. On the first play of offense. I mean, bro. That car kid is special. Isn't it first play? His first touch. His first touch. Yeah.

Damn it. What? I just saw that SMU beat Miami this year. It kind of It kind of makes me, yeah Chaos, man Chaos, all we can work for here is chaos Can I ask you a question?

Can I ask you a question? Yeah What the fuck happened this past Saturday, dude? I thought we weren't recapping. I thought we were talking. I thought we were moving forward. Buddy. Yeah, I thought we were talking

all this week's slate. In time to go forward, you gotta go backwards. Yeah, and we need to talk about that. Like, that was, I'll let you speak on it. 37 to 10 from beginning to end.

Yeah, I'll be honest. I think it's on my face. Like, I don't know. I don't know what happened. Like, we got shell shocks. We got our ass whooped. It was built to ass for 60 minutes. 60.

In Happy Valley. Y'all play them 10 times. How many times you beat them? Nine. That's fine. You know what pisses? No. You know what pisses me off about this, too?

They lose Iowa with their record, JP. Oh, no, eight and four. Seven and five. Yeah, but it's hard to hang your head on that when we lost our quarterback to a broken leg. No doubt, no doubt. And I literally, yeah. Like, we're talking 75. We moved the goalpost, and the day after I moved the goal post, the kid breaks his leg.

Like, that's fucking insane. Yeah, yeah. Look, if Dylan Riel is playing, we are a two-loss football team right now, going in Iowa, beating Iowa, and then we are a 10 and two football team on the outside looking in, hoping to get in the college football playoff. But we're not. Our quarterback broke his leg. For the sake of predictions, that is crazy.

For the sake of predictions. But it ain't. We ain't going 7 and 5 because we're about to whoop Iowa this week. Facts. You talk about all the years that Ohio State beat up on Michigan, but this four streak win you guys have been on, it starts. Iowa's our big brother right now.

Yeah. But it's time to grow up and it's time to whip the Iowa Hawkeyes this weekend. Time to grow the fuck up. It's time to grow the fuck up and beat the Iowa Hawkins. We can't dominate them all over the statute like we did last year and they have like, what, one first down, one explosive play, and they win the game by, what was it? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. What time is that game? I think you guys are at 2.30, right? Oh, yeah. It's usually an afternoon game. Oh, last year was a night game. Look, it was, it was tough Saturday night.

And I'm more so just like a loss of words. Oh, you guys put the same time as the game. Good news. No, no, not a lot of views on that one. We're on Friday. Oh, you're on Friday. On Friday. Friday.

On Friday. On Friday. Black Friday. While the sales. 11 a.m. on Friday. Big 10, Big 10 conference ain't doing us no favors. Night game and Happy Valley.

Got to turn around quick and play on Friday. White out. Yeah. 11 a.m. Give us the white out with everybody rooting for who's the head coach for Penn State. Terry Smith. Terry Smith. Like, I don't know.

I can give you all these situations in the world. Penn State being motivated. Like that's a team you don't want to see play at the end of the year right now because they finally caught their lick. They're finally gaining some momentum. like that top five roster in college football, that roster is the one that showed up. Like to me, that was the team.

We played the team before Oregon took their soul. That was the Penn State team. We unfortunately played without our starting quarterback because he broke his leg. Teams like Penn State where they fired their head coach, those kids are playing to stay on the team for the next head coach that comes in. You saw it with Virginia Tech,

played their ass off knowing that the new ball coach is on the sideline. Hey, I want to be here. That's what happened. I mean, buddy. Got to win this week. I'm texting Will. That's one legitimately when it got over, I turned off the TV.

And just like, how you feel? I'm like, it doesn't matter how I feel. Like, there's truly, like, I'm bleeding. There's no time to bleed because you have to as fast as you possibly can get your eyes on Iowa. Like that one, it's like, fuck it. We got whooped right there. We can't sit here and question everything going on. We took an ass beating.

We have got to focus on Iowa. You throw everything in the trash from that pinstake game. Because, you know, you look at it. We ain't sitting there. that's kind of a meaningless football game. Like we're out of the, when we lost the USC, our playoff hopes are out of it. So they kind of caught us off a biweek licking our wounds

and not having a whole lot to play for. You lose the Penn State. But this one, the border, Iowa, you have to have this game because you, we, we end up seven and five. You end up seven and five. Like, but again, you've got to say eight and four next year.

No, no, no. I'm not even going down that fucking road. I'm not going down that road. No, no, I agree. I'm saying I'm taking back what I said. I'm not going down that road onward. You lost your quarterback. That's why you guys lost.

I'll buy it. Thanks. I'll move on. And that's, to say this game didn't matter is fucking insane. But as it stands right now, this matchup on Friday is the biggest game in Coach Rul's career at Nebraska. It's the biggest game taking place on Friday.

There's no doubt about that. It's the biggest game of his. coaching career. A thousand percent. He knows that. Nobody knows it better than him. Yeah. His team knows it.

Yeah. Hold on. There's a trans-perfect music city bowl, dude. Nebraska versus LSU. Look, I'm not thinking about nothing else except the Iowa Hawkeyes. Nothing. I don't know how the bowl game situations play. I know we're bowl eligible.

Everybody's going to be chomping at the bit to get the Lincoln, Nebraska, traveling to wherever their city is. But I'm not thinking about any bowl game. games right now it is all Iowa Hawkeyes like they are salivating off of that ass beaten the people that came knocking at my door on social media with the chiefs with Nebraska getting pummeled all of it bro people are salivating for Willie C to be six feet in the ground this Friday yeah they are dude I texted Will during the first drive oh really hold on we'll go a time a second during the first

drive in Nebraska they get down to the one yard line they go for it and fourth down. I text well. I'm like, ah, it sucks, but that's the right call. It was like, God, take the points. I'm thinking, I text to me, the text was great run. Because then it had a big run. I'm thinking, man, we're in the first quarter right now. Yeah, it's a great run, but it's like, yo, you can't get excited. I'm taking the same thing to Jack and Jack about the Tennessee game. I had great first drive, both of them. A lot of ball left.

Mike, bro, you can't just be excited about a first drive. No. No. That's crazy, boys. You've got to take the dubs. That's crazy. That's crazy. Friday. Friday, oh, Miss. Mississippi State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Texas, A&M, Texas. Yeah, is that the game? Is Nebraska, Iowa the biggest game? Who the opposite was on Saturday?

The only game that fucking matters. Vandy Tennessee on Saturday. Yeah, 2.30. The Pavia Heisman game. I mean, buddy. He plays well. He gets it. If he doesn't, he's out. Yeah, dude. It's going to be probably the most hostile environment in the end of all time.

120K. But hey, just to go back to the text real quick, after the, we start talking about that first drive. And then I'm watching like four games. And I kind of peek over and I see that Penn State just kind of running away with it. And I pulled your number up to, like, shoot you a text. I'm like, it doesn't even matter, bro. Like, just leave this one alone. Yeah, it's going to go, yeah, leave it alone.

It's those ones where it's like. It's a Monday. We'll just talk about it on Monday. When you're like, you're just watching your game. Like all that matters is you and that Fox are watching the game. Whether something good's happening or whether something's bad happening. We know it no matter what. It's a 60-minute ball game.

There's nothing that's like, even the good run thing. It's like, hell, you know, what, there's nothing that's like... Did you clap when that one happened? Did you go, fuck you know. Yeah, I stood on. Let's fucking go in. Right. That was me texting and being in the room with you going, let's fucking go.

The same thing with the first drive. I'm sitting there being like, yo, I got to be my boyfriend. Yeah, fuck yeah. Hey, great, great run. You guys don't know. You guys just take her insane right now to me. No doubt. Like, if you don't text me back, that's all good.

I'm just saying, hang, I'm in the room with you. watching the game with you right now. You don't have to text me back. But to be like, it don't matter. It's like, there's nothing worse though. Got to score points to win the game.

Points matter. Yeah, but when you score a point, get excited. It's better. It's like, yeah, you score more points.

Like Shane shot me, text before the game. We're all Huskers a night. And it's like, that's all like, you know, he sees the assail been going on.

He might see that pop run play at the beginning, but I already got it. It's like you get something before the game. Hey, we're all huskers a night. We're all in the, okay,

And it's like, you know, when you have one big run, it's the first drive. And it's like, hey, great run. Like, I don't know how to react when I see that. I'm just like, yeah, yeah, that was a great run. Right. You know what I mean? No, but go ahead. No.

Do you guys know what you mean? Trust me. Okay. Very well. Never text you guys during the game again. All good. All good. I swear to God.

Even Jack and Schaff over here, dude. It's like, I can't wait to hear who this is. God, it's shame. No, it's George Kittle. I'm letting him know we're going to beat their ass this week. before he plays on Monday night tonight. Get him off the game. Yeah, he's probably focused right now.

You can leave, you can leave like a little voice video though. Jack, you got to, Hey, George, you might be getting ready for your game tonight, but I just want you to know, Nebraska is going to stop a mud hole in your ass this Friday at 11. 11 a.m.

I hope you catch a lot of balls tonight, but just know, Nebraska is coming for your ass. Jack, you've got to feel like this is probably the most nervous you've been for a vandy game in a long time, yeah? Yeah, definitely. But I mean, Vanny fans on Twitter saying this is our Super Bowl and this is quite literally the biggest game for Vandy in the last 40 years. And they're on Twitter talking shit saying, man, this is y'all.

It's like, yo, y'all finally have something to live for. A Heisman candidate and a potential winning in. And you're saying this is our biggest game. It's like you're going to come in to the loudest environment in college football after talking so much shit all season. It's getting to the point too where the general. consensus is starting to turn on the Pavia family. They're very annoying online. His mom's riding the rail at the game, literally like cowgirl in it, wearing the skimpiest outfit possible. She looks

like a girl that's down on Broadway at 3 a.m. just trying to find a ride home. Diego Pavia. It's me. I mean, no, I know, but I'm just, I'm just saying, you see what Joey Aguilar's mom's doing? Just the sweetheart of Tennessee football. It's going to be fun. I'm very nervous because if we lose. Vandy has this over us for not even just the next 365 days, but for a foreseeable future. I'm not worried for the team. We played great against obviously a shitty Florida team, but if you know historically, DeValls have never been able to put it together in the swamp. We went down there and kicked the shit out of them. The clump curse is real. Clump is also, once again, campaigning for Vandy to win, saying that they're going to beat the shit out of us. So just know Vandy fans, when

you guys come to Neeland and get your dick kicked in, you know who to blame. It's Jeremy Clump. He claims to be a Florida fan. He claims to be a Vandy fan. He claims to be every fan except for the team that he chose to be a fan of starting when he moved to Nashville, Tennessee. I'm very excited, though. This photo of Clump is crazy. That is awesome. JV. Football, I thinker College Athletics. I'm very excited. Still doesn't open his eyes to this game. Yeah, very nervous. It will be fireworks. We'll see what happens. Because if Vandy Wains, they're going to be 10 and 2 and they could potentially be out of the college football playoff.

Yeah, they have a hard situation to get in now. Yeah. You see Texas fans out there if they beat take down A&M, do they have a resume to get in the playoff? No. Who you guys got in the Heisman? Not Diego Pavia. Jeremiah Love, my original pick.

Who's now number two in the odds to win the Hezman? Yeah, I think Jeremiah, like if there were, if I could grab three, you'd be Fernando Mendoza, it'd be Diego Pavia, and it'd be Jeremiah Love. Oh, you're out on, uh, was it Rodriguez? I'm not out. I think he's just on the outside looking in. I do think that that's a dude where, like, when I'm thinking about the Heisman,

it's when all the success of these teams, how they've had kind of throughout the season, and there comes to be these storylines that come from these teams. With these guys that we're talking about, like they are the storyline. Like Texas Tech, when Texas Tech's playing, it's, I want to turn it on to see if Jacob Rodriguez has makes a splash play. And in the last games, that he's been on, he has. Like, they were on a bi-week this week. Did Indiana, did they have a buy-week as well?

So Fernana went on it, and I think they play Purdue this weekend. I think Diego Pavia is on a heisman spot here, playing against Tennessee. I think, who does Notre Dame have this weekend? Stanford. Stanford. Yeah, that's kind of a cupcake. But either way, Jeremiah Love, you

like, you go, you watch Notre Dame football because you want to see what highlights come of Jeremiah Love. You know what I mean? Like, Julie and saying, I think he has a, he has like a stat line, but I think he's more of like a product of the system or the team around him. I mean, the Rutgers game, what was his stat line? I think he was 10% he had like less than 150 yards. Yeah. Which they were, they were trying to run the ball more and establish a run game and kind of get out that way. And I think Julian Sayans an awesome player. I think Marcel Reed's an awesome player too. Who's another, Gunner Stockton, I think he's

an awesome player. But I feel like I tune in to Georgia to watch the Georgia Bulldogs. I tune in Ohio State to watch Ohio State. If I'm tuning into Ohio State, it's like I'm wanting to watch Jeremiah Smith be out there with the alien. Or Cardinal Tate. Yeah, Cardinal Tate. But those other guys, I feel like they are the story of their program. And I- Jeremiah Love is, he's the most versatile, most dynamic back

or dynamic player in all of college football. Diego Pavi is just, he's going, he's got a Heisman moment coming up with Tennessee. What do you have over 500 total yards and like six touchdowns this last weekend? He's been the reason you tune in to watch Vanderbilt football over the last two seasons. And I think Mendoza, the season that,

he's had with just again being indiana he is the focal point he's on all these podcasts now breaking down coverage people are falling in love with him like he's the guy when you think of indiana so those to me that's why i kind of have those three jacob rariga i just think it's going to be hard for a defensive player to win unless he makes a couple splash plays which he could which is if i'm watching texas tech this weekend it's because i'm wanting to see if jacob arraigas makes a play so that's why i kind of have my heisman like when i'm looking if i had a high are you watching the team or you're watching the player yeah that's the first cat and then how good is that player playing.

Yeah. No, I like that. I like that. Can I read some stats for you quick for Jeremiah Love? Yes. Get your reaction. Yes.

2,601 rushing yards, 29 touchdowns. Impressive stats. Those are Ashton Jenties last year and he did not win the Heisman trophy. Jeremiah Love only has 1,300 rushing yards and 17 touchdowns this year. That is crazy if he would win the Heisman trophy this year. And I want Jeremy Love to win that year. Yeah, that's just. I thought this is going to be a complete.

opposite. That would be insane to me for him to win the Heisman trophy. So in my opinion, if Diego Pavia does what we all know he will do, go to Knoxville and beat the shit out of Tennessee. Diego Pavia should win the Heisman trophy based off of elevating his team the most, stats, all of it. So to me, Jeremiah loves fun because we, you know, picking to start the year, but it's got to be Diego Pavia.

If Diego Pavia has the game you're claiming he's going to have, is he clearly over Fernando Mendoza over, I mean, Jeremiah, I love it. it sounds like the stats aren't there. Like, is that the clear winner now? I think what was it? You Mitch who said like Fernando Mendoza would be almost the most boring Heisman trophy winner ever, in my opinion. Yeah.

It's got to be Diego for excitement. I could buy that. And Jeremiah, I love too. It's more just he seems like the best player in college football. Like he's the most talented cat, like playing the game. And to see all these highlights that he has and everything else. It's almost like that feeling that you have watching Jeremiah I love versus like the stat line and everything else.

Who won it last year? Travis Hunter I mean I get it with Ashen Ginty Like he stats everything else If he did that at like a power If he did that here If he did that this year

Right right Like he could see it more Almost what 1,000 yards 1,300 yard Yeah 1300 But he is

He lead Doesn't he lead the nation Jeremiah I love And yards from scrimmage I think he leads In rushing yards too right Yeah it's He's fun to watch

watch. But I see what you mean. To me, if Diego Pavia, he has four touchdowns, he gets a win against Tennessee, like, it's going to be hard not to look at Diego Pavia like over, like, what he's done for this program of Vanderbilt and not give him a Heisman trophy. Yeah, that program is maybe bowl eligible without Diego Pavia. We were all talking about this. The Heisman, when is the ceremony? It happens after the championship games. Yeah. Yeah. So Mendoza will have an opportunity against Ohio State defensive, Ohio State beats Michigan this weekend or whoever if it's Oregon like he'll have why he's already beat Oregon but he'll have like

a championship moment to where he can put that last one because again it's like he's got Purdue this weekend when it comes to boring him leading and having boring everything else like I I can see that for sure they'll have another it'll have another game to like not boost stats but yeah show like show have the opportunity to show what he's like capable of and like maybe have that heisman moment yeah yeah was two weeks ago mm-hm ad hardy has more rush and Ahmaud Hardy's a monster monster Amad Hardy's a monster

I wonder why Amad Hardy's not more in the conversation then is the team The family of the team Again it's like you'll have all this team success The way Notre Dame's been playing the back half The year The way Vandy's played all season long

For Nando Mendoza It's just like The success of their team, Missouri kind of doesn't have that following them Especially again you lose Over the weekend to Oklahoma Yeah it is not Umad Hardy has 100 more rushing yards and has only scored two less touchdowns.

Yeah. And no, Amad Hardy's a monster. Yeah. And has, I guess he has a few more carries, but you got hurt. But you're going off these,

these guys that are in the race that it's like the temperature of their team, like they are setting the temperature. And you're like, all these guys, I don't care who you have front runner, first, second, third, fourth, whatever. It's just like all these guys,

I think, are set up perfectly for these last couple weeks, for who's going to rise and be the guy that comes out of it. And to me, whatever happens in these last two weeks, it's like those, that guy is going to clearly be the Heism winner. Yeah, it's a great time. But the only thing that really matters is Ohio State, Michigan. All those things.

He could, yeah, those for 300 yards, four touchdowns, like get him an invite. Oh, buddy. Thank you. Were you about to be this weekend, JP with South Carolina Clemson? I'm going. You're in the stadium? You're in the miss is going? Yeah, yeah, I got to go.

It's the rival sitting. and hate week right now. Yeah. Sittance my wife, she went to Clemson. You know, it's once Saturday hits, we step on that field, the game's changed. Yeah. We're out. Exactly.

Once we're between those white lines, anything goes. But no, you love me. You're taking off the ring, putting in the pocket. Yeah. But it's cool because I like when we posted last week, the tiger burn that we do, it was packed out. All of the students there. We light a massive tiger on fire.

And it's just a testament to the family. base of at that time we had still we'd only won three games and everyone shows up you go you look at the game this past week we're playing coastal nothing to cheer about and the stadium's full it's like that's why game cognition is special and i can't wait to be a part of it one last time this season because i'll tell you what next year i did see the clip of that tiger burn dude that was sick they do a great job building that thing too where you guys think lane kiffin's going stay at home I like that take. I like that.

Chef is the insider. Yeah, chef texting what? Yeah, in an hour, it's going to break. I was like, oh, shit. Our boy, chef, he sent the group chat a screenshot. Just being like, I got a friend that's kind of close to the program. Lane Kiff and LSU. Within an hour.

Within an hour. Yeah, yeah, within an hour. This is on Saturday. He's going to coach that egg bowl. They're not getting the answer they want. Coach Beamer, he was saying that Lane Kiven's going to have like the three hat set up like the players used to do. Would not, yeah, would not be shocked.

That'd be hilarious. They're saying he's going to announce, what, within the hour after the egg bowl? What's going to happen? So he's got to be staying at Ole Miss, right? That would be awesome for him to stay. I hope he does stay. Clumps being shambles. Clumps done. Those two schools are going to be freaking out.

Yeah, I love that. It is fun to see like the flight tracker back again and then Florida canceled their volleyball games. So they're like, oh, they're announcing Lane Kiffin. like all the conspiracy theories. I feel like that's always so fun that college football's got that. So what Lane is doing is good for college football.

And then Josh Pate just trolling the world. He tweeted that he knows where Lane's coaching next year. Unnecessary. Crazy move. Unnecessary. Love it. That's so funny. So many other accounts just started posting like,

oh no, dot, dot, dot. And people are like, good, dude, don't do this. We know today everyone is just sending tweets for reaction. That's funny, man. Coup's, what was that? Coup who sent that tweet, Josh Pace tweet in the group chat?

Oh, I think Coup's in it. I'm thinking, oh, shit, he knows. If Lane stays. Do you text him? Yeah. I said, where's he going? Yeah. I say, this is crazy, click, but where's he going?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If Lane stays, who does, who do they seriously go after now, Florida and LSU? There's so many job openings, it's like. Yeah, it's, unless you know your guy is, it's a bad time to go. I have a little wrinkle for Florida if they don't get Lane. Goalish. Chip Kelly Chip Kelly did just get fired

Chip Kelly Get back in the college Blanche Chip Kelly Honestly Shout out his son Brian Kelly That was crazy

If it's true Yeah If what he said is true The LSU Powers wouldn't let Brian Kelly walk him out On senior day That's kind of crazy

Don't you think Am I wrong to think that No matter how much bad blood there is Lawsuit Whatever there was like him not being able to walk his son out They probably were worried about like booing and stuff

Still to me What was he saying to the camera when he was pulling the shirt down? My boy, right? Long live BK said Free my boy, free my boy He was But he was trying to go at Megan making money Was he this past week on some bull crap

His son And he was like Oh like I'll send the DMs of you trying to like get merch or like basically get clout yeah meet my dad and he drops the dms and they were the most nothing burger dms ever where she was like or he was like hey we need to get you in this merch she's like yeah send it and he posts it was like you're corny she's like what are you talking about that's hilarious why your dad didn't run you out on the field I'm all the way out on Brian Kelly yeah I'm kind of with you on BK I'm done with that

I think he just goes home, Arkansas. Who knows, man? Arkansas might have to settle for that. Whenever I did... Pay says everyone's getting a coach, man. Payton did some crazy things about... Remember Lincoln Riley?

Just fucking threw their grenade out there. Yeah, still got some... Still, a lot of ball left. He said a lot of stuff. That's all... When I texted Payne, I was like, where's he going? He said, when people tell you,

Lane Kiffin is the world's best role, always remember, there's at least one better. What shitty is That's the exact text he sent me back Yeah What else we got boys Michigan Ohio State Biggest game in the league

Vegas game of the year Of the world I think I think Texas gets A&M I think Texas gets A&M I can see that for sure That'd be awesome Yeah Would that cause chaos though

Yeah It just like Just fan bases being loud, you know, arguing, schedules. Texas would be knocking at the doors like we belong in the playoffs. Yeah. And you don't. Sark had that, yeah, Sark talked about, was it that all their losses are top 10 teams or something? Is that what he was saying?

Yeah. When they played them, they were all top 10. And they beat three top 10 teams, I believe. They're like, they have the most top 10 wins this year. So if they do be A&M, they'd have four top 10 wins. I think that's what it was. They beat Vandy when they were top 10. Yeah, but that's what I mean.

When they play, they were top 10. Oklahoma was top 10, I believe, when they played right for Red River. Is there one other one? I respect all the frameworks. People figure out to get their team to playoff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because then there's one framework that comes along.

They just kind of thinking of it. I mean, this is, this can be true. Somebody else kills them. And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, they're right, too. Yeah, you know, they got it. We feel good, boys? Big week of college football. The biggest week of college football.

Imagine Georgia Tech slips. Our sneaks on Georgia. Just wild. Slips a little jab on Georgia on the out. No, Georgia's not falling out. If Vandy beats Tennessee. Yeah. That'd be a tough one.

Giorgio. Vandy's so interesting to me. That game. Georgia would fall out if they lost Georgia Tech. Because they'd be a three-loss SEC team, yeah? Yeah, they'd fall out of it. They've won or two? Oh, wait, no, no, no.

They beat Tennessee in OT. Yeah, they only have one. Yeah, God. I kind of want to see it just to see the chaos. I know you do. Yeah. I don't care what happens this week with anybody's team, but Michigan. Yeah, the game's going to be awesome to watch.

A game's going to be awesome. And there's a world we can blow them out. There's a world. And that vice versa world also lives. But I'm just saying, there is. There's a world. Double-digit one. There's always a chance.

Who's everyone got in the game? Michigan, Ohio State. Other than you guys, because you're a locker room, but back of the bus guys, who do we got? I'll go first. Michigan, Money Line. Bryce Underwood will show that college football is different. You can go out and buy a player and it will help your team. No, it'll change college football landscape for a lot of teams.

Bryce Underwood, legacy game. Go Blue. I'm obviously Ohio State. All right, Mitch. JP? Michigan all day, every day. Elementary school bully, middle school bully was Ohio State fan. I'll never root for Ohio State.

Yeah, fully with Michigan. Ohio State's had such a cupcake schedule, and I don't know. I would love to see y'all get five in a row. It just kills the casual Ohio State fans that just linger in the dark all year long. Because they still get to go to the playoff. But they just still win a national title,

but you can't beat Michigan. Can't beat them. It's the best, just caveat of, well, at least you got that. So, yeah, go blue. Go blue. And for the chaos of it all. That would be fun. God.

All right by myself. Just where I want to be. 10 toes, Mitch. All right, Mitch. You against the world. Boys, I cannot thank you enough. It feels so good to have you by my side. Because earlier this year, I had to fight a battle alone.

Victorious, but I had to fight a battle alone. Would you like us to text you during the game when things are going, Good. Yeah, absolutely. I love to know what my boys are riding with me. I think that's awesome. Even if I don't get to it to, I don't know, the 46 commercial breaks there are when everybody goes in their phone anyway. Like, yeah.

All right. That'd be awesome. You guys don't have to, though. If that's not how you guys play games, I don't change up for me. Well, I just enjoy the game. No, this is your game. I want to play your game. No, dude.

We want to love you how you want to be loved. This game is not about me. That's the thing. Like, I had my time at Michigan. It's about those kids. It's about Bredison who might not play. who is two-time captain full back, the heart and soul of that team.

It's about kids like that. That's who it's about. So watch the game. Watch the game how you watch games. But just know, it's Michigan. And I cannot fucking wait. Mitch will be at the house, I guess. I'll get like gout free pizza.

We can get pizza. No. My life's so different now, man. I'll have like fucking carrots and shit. Oh, whatever I have to eat. Beans. No, no, no. I'll get Mitch food.

I'll just stare at his food. I'll get Mitch food. I'll get him food. I'll have my dog bowl of food, whatever the fuck I'm allowed to eat. Just a PB&J in a dog bowl? I don't know. Dude, the bread, who knows?

The jelly. You know, the sweets and the jelly. I'm in hell. Anyway, go blue. Boys, any parting thoughts? We're good? Subscribe. So close to 700,000.

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