Bussin' With The Boys - Spencer Lee Interview, Titans Win, Raiders Win, Nebraska's Moral Victory

Episode Date: September 22, 2021

Recorded September 20, 2021 | HUGE bounce back week for the boys! Victory Monday was in full effect for Will celebrating wins for the Titans, Raiders, and Washington Football Team. 3x National Champion wrestler and barstool athlete Spencer Lee also stopped by the bus becoming the first collegiate athlete to step foot on the bus. Comp kicks things off by addressing the adversity the boys faced last week but the world quickly realized you can't keep the boys down for long. Then he gives his analysis of the Nebraska Oklahoma game, and how the Huskers were really just a couple of plays away from winning big. Next, the young man with more national championships than ACL's steps onto the bus to share some of his story. (29:00:52) Spencer Lee is one of the most decorated collegiate wrestlers of all time and is competing for his 4th straight national championship this season. He tells us the story about his viral quote "Excuses are for Wusses" and how he was able to win a national championship without either of his ACLs. Next Spencer tells us about his Olympic dreams, wrestling culture at Iowa, how he wants to grow the popularity of the sport and even teases a little bit of MMA and WWE talk. This pod brings everything you could ask for to the table so tell a friend to tell a friend that they need to tune into this weeks episode! ----- EARN YOUR WOLF: Want to be featured on our Instagram Story? Screenshot this episode, tag @bussinwtb, and share it to your Story. The Boys will take care of the rest... ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ----- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: Chevy Silverado: The Strongest Most Advanced Silverado Ever Cross Country Mortgage: Go to CrossCountryMortgage.com/Barstool to learn more about your future home buying experience or refinance your current Mortgage. Betterhelp: Go to https://barstool.link/BetterhelpBussin for 10% off your first month. Fightcamp: Get free shipping with a 30 day money-back guarantee at https://barstool.link/FightCampBussin. Georgia Boot: Head over to https://barstool.link/GeorgiaBootsBUSSIN and use code BUSSIN for 20% off Rhoback: Use the code “BUSSIN” on Rhoback.com for a generous 20% off your first orderFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now, a lot of stuff to talk about. number one we have on Spencer Lee. He'll be the interview guest here in a little bit. We got to get through some current events and some current topics first because we've had a couple of recent pods with Roger Saffold and Jeff Simmons. Awesome pods. Some bad timing, but some awesome pods nonetheless. You know, we had to take an L.

The boys had to take a little bit of an L last week because the boy, we talked about Jeff Simmons getting five sacks at a high school game. And Ryan Tannhill got sacked five times. and so we had to eat a little bit of an out last week. It was tough, but just like always, we danced in the rain, we had fun, and we fought through the adversity. The boys started off a tough oh-and-one.

I think it was tough for everybody out there. And a lot of stray bullets. The boys were catching a lot of stray bullets. I'm catching stray bullets up in the stands. I can't even go home to my family. People are throwing shit at me. And the boys were going through it. But again, just like anybody who can withstand any of this pressure, the boys did.

Because the boys bounced back in week two against Seattle. And at one of the toughest stadiums to play in against the Seattle Seahawks. And the boys ousted them in OT 3330. We needed this win bad. We needed this win bad because of week one. The boys at Bussing, we needed this win bad. Julio, my man Julio needed this win a little bit because of, because he needed a bounce back game as well.

Speaking of Julio, let's talk about that catch that he had that was considered out of balance. And that was a touchdown. Do we have that photo? What's crazy is that we were talking about it at our little birthday bash or a little birthday party yesterday because yesterday it was my birthday last Sunday. Birthday shots to the boy. But we were like, why can't, if you challenge a play,

why can't you come correct with your own evidence? like why can't Donald Page or whoever took that photo, right, that very high-deaf 4K photo and send it in and Vraid pulls out his phone and says, hey, here's all the evidence you need. The heel is in. But what's bullshit to me is like what, what like is the full rule? Is it, like I had a tweet. So if you tiptoe and the rest of your body goes out of balance, it's a catch. But if you tiptoe and then your heel goes out of balance, it's not a catch.

JP, you weren't there. Would you not agree with that? That was a fair assessment. All the boys across the board were like, hey, that's, that's comp, that's a great point, comp. 100%. It doesn't make sense why it would be any other way. Right. So if you toe drag, we have toe drag swag all the time, right?

You have the little clips of the toes getting in, the body catches the ball way out of balance, and they fall. Your body eventually falls out of balance. But your toes in. But if your toes in backwards, the rest of your body still has to fall out of balance. Your heels are part of your body. Like if your toe is in, why is that not a catch? And not to mention, we don't even have to go to the photo because his heel was in. So I don't know like what angles.

What sucks is that the refs don't have to face the media after the game. The rest don't have to give explanation. You know what? I think it's also shitty for them because I think some refs would like to have some accountability for themselves. Yeah, on the broadcast yesterday, they were talking about the officiating crew having a track record of something like 19 calls and 15 of them were reversed. So. I've gone to the booth 19 times on this. Skeptical.

Yeah. I don't know what all the calls were. Some of them might have been reversible. I know this one shouldn't have been reversed because clearly, as you guys are beautifully watching at home, this photo was taken. By the Titans PR, I don't want to say names. I think it was Donald, but maybe it wasn't Donald. So I don't want to accidentally give him credit if somebody else took the photo, but we can assume that Donald took the photo.

Hey, shout out Donald Page, babe. Shouts the boy, baby. But this one shouldn't have been reversed. I truly, like, I don't get it. And, like, again, like, let's say his heel was out of bounds. I don't understand, like, why his toe couldn't have counted going backwards, just like it does going forward and the rest of your body goes out of bounds. But either way, thank God the boys bounced back

Because that was a game I felt like that was a little game-changing call And man, we just, we needed that win bad. Gary, hey, huge Titans fans, we got Garrett, we got Jack. How do you guys feel? How do you guys feel about getting out of Seattle with a win? Getting out of the 12th man arena with a win. A huge win in Seattle.

I saw another stab that was like, Seahawks going into the fourth quarter up 14 or like 15 and 0 in the last couple of years. So for us to be able to go in there and do that was massive. Twitter was a graveyard last week. Everybody was taking shots like you said. Oh, there were dead bodies left and right. Left and right.

Everyone catching stray bullets. We found out who our real friends were. That's for sure. But it was good to just kind of calm. Did you have any friend out? We're not going to out anybody. But yeah, there were some. Oh, you had some battles with the friends with actual friends.

Yeah, we had, you know, there were text messages being sent to everybody. you know, we were catching blame for a lot of things. The brand, the boys? The boys, individuals, you know, everybody. We're not even going to give them any kind of credibility, though, any spotlight, because everybody wants to jump ship the first time we have some bad stuff go down. And so obviously week one, we had some things to work out. So it was huge for us to go into Seattle.

One of the best teams in the league, one of the best biggest crowds to play against that 12th man. And then we got the Julio ordeal. And then we had Russell almost with a walkoff safety to end it. it, which is also something that... Yeah, you saw that photo where he's like a yard short, and there was just a lot of things with the refs that obviously didn't go our way. Yeah, we were playing against the refs. So it was good to come out with a win.

If we didn't have that win, you know, who knows? We'd be may him. Yeah, no, they'd be coming to the bus. And we wouldn't have got this one. We're taking the bus. We'd have to be going somewhere else, boys. Especially... We're not...

Like, I'll let you finish your thought. I didn't want to cut you off my fault. Really just, especially coming back to Nashville this week with the Colts coming, divisional game, their 0 and 2. If we're able to put the Colts at 0 and 3, especially with the track record we have with the Colts, it's going to be massive for us in the F.C. South. And Houston doesn't look, you know, as bad as everyone says they do too. So this week coming in, it's got to be loud in Nashville, must win.

If we can put the Colt to 0 and 3, us go 2 and 1. We got, you know, a lot of that, the naysayers on Twitter, talking a lot of shit to us. I think that will kind of fizzle out. I just don't understand the shit talking by the people on Twitter, especially if you're a fan of the... I saw somebody say, because I said credit to everybody for... I forget what I said.

I said, like, credit to everybody for staying, you know, staying even keel or staying composed throughout the week. And somebody's like, oh, if you didn't have emotions, then you're not a Titans fan. It's like, well, what kind of bullshit is that? So if your wife pisses you off and you don't hit her, that means you don't love her? You know what I mean?

You don't get mad... Huh? Great enough. Oh, exactly. Yeah. But I'm just saying, if you don't get, like, pissed off and, like, cuss out your significant other

if they piss you off, like, oh, baby, that just means I love you. Like, what kind of dumb shit is that? It's like some high school relationship shit. It just means I care about you that much. Right, right. Yeah. I just don't, I just don't know.

Like, you know, I get it. We started off O-N-1 and it was a bad O-N-1. Now we bounce back now, and everybody's like, oh, yeah, it was great to see that. I'm glad they, you know, I'm glad they bounced back like they were in charge. It's like, yeah, they better of or they would have had to meet me type of thing. Like, everybody kind of talks that way.

And another thing, too, is like people taking shots. And I get it. You want to take shots at busing because for whatever reason, whether you hate, you hate on the boys, you got a little jealousy or envy, you know, with the media people out there. Taylor definitely runs the Twitter account, too. That's why they're. Yeah, people did catch us because Taylor runs our Twitter account. Taylor runs the bus with the boys because of the Twitter account. So they're right.

Like Taylor, like he clearly has priorities, blah, blah, blah, this and that. It's just, it's so easy. I get it though. It's easy to grab some clout. Everyone's out there clout chasing on social media. Myself included. Everyone's sitting. Everyone who has a profile is doing some clout chasing because you're there trying to gain status.

And to get any status in this status game, you got to tear somebody down. Bustin with the boys is an easy plug because the boy, you know, I don't even want to say juggles both because he doesn't even really juggle. I know I was really double and triple downing against old Portnoy on saying like juggling both things. but you got to be careful saying that because people think he prioritizes busts with the boys who are playing football. And everyone who listens and knows anyway, I'm not even preaching to a new choir because our audience is fucking tier one. We got a bunch of day ones out there.

Everyone knows that the boy's focused on ball right now. And yeah, I know that the boy was going through it after that game. Like, who doesn't? Like, you come off, you have the couple years. And number one, the boy's hard on himself for not having a healthy year last year. He tore his ACL last year because he was on paying. to be part of the 2K season, hopefully, you know, get that rushing title with Derek Henry or get that rushing record with the boys.

Getting back to his pro bowl-esque play by after he had the PED year, the year before, because he got pot for PEDs. Finish strong and the boys went to the ASE championship, but the boy was really like down that he didn't get to complete his year last year. So he tears his ACL and he comes back after a long year of just living. Number one, he wanted to come back from the ACLs fast like every. everybody does when they want to come back from an injury. So as he's learned with the ACL in a big surgery like an ACL procedure, you realize like,

you know, you kind of have to, you got to give yourself some grace and realize like you're not going to, you're only going to come back as fast your body allows you to. And the boy had a rough first game. Everyone knows it. Nobody's running from it. Like the boy had a tough first game. All the boys had a tough first game. But everyone acts like, like, like his priorities are messed up and that his focus is out of whack.

and that he's been, he's changed everything up. Like, you see the, you see the tweets out there. Oh, he looks like a podcaster and this and that because it's just an easy jab to throw. But, uh, yeah, the, the boy had a rough one, but it's like, you got to give yourself some grace and realize you're not just going to come back and be like, like, maybe you are. I don't want this, I don't want this to come off wrong. But you got to give yourself some empathy that it's just not going to happen overnight. Like you're not going to bounce back and everything's not going to be all there. He knows that and understands that.

I'm more so giving contact. to everybody listening that's had all these opinions about the boy that said X, Y, and Z, that they said all the shit like, nobody knows what the dudes went through. I've seen it. We had to take our pa. We had to go to Arizona to record some things. And like any time that that happens, it's always ball first over the podcast. And again, I know people know.

This is just to give some context because I know people want, people like, oh, we should be saying something or we should have Chandler Jones on the bus and saying all this dumb shit. that people don't understand, like, that people just aren't on the inside that knows what goes on. The boy understands what kind of game he had. And he's, he's anxious and he's ready to get back out there. It sucked.

He had another hiccup again. Like, you have a bad game. The first thing you want when you're a player and you have a bad game, you can't wait until you get to the next game to bounce back because you know you're going to have a bounce back game. You can't wait to get the bad taste out of your mouth because you put some bad stuff on tape. And everyone hates watching themselves do bad shit on film.

You think I enjoyed when Roger Saffold almost threw me in the stance. Yes, I can laugh at it and have fun with it. But I'm watching that game and I'm like, motherfucker, I hate that I have that bad shit on tape. When KB caught that ball, yeah, could I cover it any better? Probably not. But I want to make that play because you don't want to look bad on tape. You don't want people to have shit that has all the petty stuff.

I go back and forth and have fun with it and embrace and do all the bullshit with it. But you hate putting bad shit on tape. And my coach, after I played the Titans in Oakland, that next week, somebody got cut. Preston Brown got cut. He didn't even play that bad. We all played bad. I'm not saying that bad like he played bad and deserved it. But the coach later looked me in the face and goes, Will, you think you played good enough for him to get, for Preston to get cut just now?

And I had to look at him back, no, because I knew I played shitty. Again, mind you, this was when KB called that ball on me. Roger threw me in the stands, like, had a bad outing, had a bad day. Laid up, sleepless nights. Like, I can't wait to get to the next game to get to the next game. this bad taste out of my mouth. That's all it is. That's all it is when you have a bad game. Like the Titans knew. All the boys knew like they weren't the same team that they put on film on week. It's just you got to get back, have some accountability, have some optimism going

into the next week. And you bounce back. That's what you do. You don't dwell and make excuses like, you know, a lot of Twitter does and a lot of people that are down bad do. You dwell in the situation. You don't see the big picture for what it is. The ones who get over it, like the Titans did, you have accountability, you have optimism. I know the boy wanted to bounce back this week. And again, He hyper-extended his knee. We have the clip that people, you know, people saw that, you know, you're, again, anxious to get back out there and restart. Like, hey, let's put week one behind us. Let's go on the week two.

Then you hyper-extend your knee. So you can only imagine what the boy, like, it just fucking sucks. But like we always say, like we like to say to each other, like, hey, nobody's coming to save you. The boy knows. And I know he'll be ready to go. I know I'm talking about him a lot. And I'm kind of like, I feel like, do I sound like I'm speaking for him? No, I don't think so.

Okay. I don't want to speak for him. There's so many different types of red tape and stuff that you want to step around to make sure you don't fucking mess up. So people have fucking clips and shit like that for it. But that's just giving you guys context on the situation because the people who talk about the podcast and the stuff, anything other than football, just have no clue the lifestyle that the boy actually lives and what he goes through on the daily basis and what that entire team does. as everybody was calling for everybody's head after that first game. Moving on, the Raiders are 2-0. We got some heat cooking up for the boys, too.

Like, we can't, you know, I learned after week one, I can't just ride this wave. I can't just ride this roller coaster. The boy's got to, he's got to look into what's best for his family, for his, for my skin out there on social media. I got to look out for what's best for the boy. I got to stay safe out there. So I'm going to hop on the, you know,

you got to hop on the bandwagons of the teams you play for. people like, oh, you're just picking the teams that you played for. Like, okay, sick, you can't do that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, dude's just like mad because I get to go, oh, the Raiders. I know a lot of those boys. Let me just go out in the woodworking and pick the Raiders. But we got some merch cooking up for the Raiders fans for the tier ones.

Them Raider tier ones that we got on this pod, baby. We love you and we're making some hot merch that you guys are going to be able to pick up. It might be out already. And if not, probably come out tonight, maybe tomorrow, maybe Friday. Just like with our Spooktober shirts, which you guys are crushing, by the way. Those things are heaters. I'm wearing one right now. This is my favorite one, the white crew. But the face ones, what do we call them? The caricature? The self-porture ones? Yeah, the Spooktober 3. That's a banger. The self-portraits? Yeah, jellyroll is jelly roll.

The best. But our Spooktober merch is out. We're going to have some fun stuff in the works for Spooktober. But you can get our merch. Obviously, you guys know where store.dop barstoolsports.com. All of our merch is out there. But yeah. We got some stuff cooking up for the Raiders. We might get some stuff going. You know what I like? I like lean. I like being able to watch the boys of Nebraska now.

I like being able to have my Saturdays free to watch the boys of Nebraska. We were down bad. And again, there are no moral victories. I'm going to keep saying it. There's no moral victories. But the boys played their ass off against Oklahoma. I'm stoked for them to build off of this. Number one, they should have beat Oklahoma.

What, Jack, what's so funny? I'm just invested with you because we've talked about it because I'm a Tennessee fan. I feel like Tennessee, Nebraska, the Michigan's, we're all in the same boat where it's like we're historic programs, but the last decade have been shitty. Yeah. So, like, I feel like I'm living like an alternate reality through you with Nebraska as Tennessee. And so it's just like, I, for all of us, baby, I want us all to be winning. I love that. I love you through baby in there too.

But, hey, I'm telling you, man. Man. Alex, you didn't get to watch the game, did you? No, I just saw you on Twitter. If the boys make the field goals. And I don't want to attack the kid. He's just a kid. He's just a boy.

I know he's going through some tough shit, the kicker. But when we make those kicks, if we make those field goals and that extra point, because you got to remember, the extra point got taken back to the house for an extra two points. That's a three point swing right there on an extra point. After putting up a good tutty.

And we make those kicks in that extra point. We're winning the game. Like, we're beating number three. Oklahoma. We're storming the field because the rivalry is now, the rivalry's back. And don't you remember back earlier in the off season, Oklahoma was trying to back out of the game against Nebraska. They weren't trying to play the boys. The boys are like, no, no, we got to keep this game alive. We're playing these guys. So Oklahoma tried backing out. They play the game. They get lucky they beat us because we beat ourselves. And the first drive, too, mind you, we had to settle for a field goal. Fortunately, we made that one.

But we had five penalties, four or five penalties in the first drive. We don't get those penalties. We're probably going to score a touch. down and put the game even more out of reach. We should have been up like 16, 7 and a half time. And then you probably run away with it 3414 at the end of the game. I can't even keep the straight face anymore. Like just talk so much nonsense. Talk so much nonsense. But no, for real, I was optimistic after that game.

I felt like the boys started off. We lost Illinois. We kind of, you know, we made make a wish happen for Illinois. And I'm happy about that. I'm, you know, take a lot of pride in being charitable. But I thought we were down bad a little bit. Who do they have next week? But the boys, the boys, the boys, I almost said bounce back against Oklahoma.

They put up a good fight out there. There are no more victories, though. This next week, we got Michigan State. What does that mean? I don't know what that means. You were like, who do they got next week? They got Michigan State. They got 20 Michigan State.

I think it's a very beatable Michigan State team. Very beautiful. I don't know much about it. but I think they're very beatable. I can't go on and talk about what the schemes they do and everything else because I'm not an analyst. I think Michigan State's beatable. I know a lot of these defensive coaches over there, so maybe I need to get up our offensive guys and talk about what they run and shit like that. Because a lot of them are my old college coaches.

And I was thinking about going back to the homecoming game. Is that, that's not this week. No, it's at Michigan State. the next home game is October 2nd against Northwestern. Oh, and then October 9th against Michigan. Ooh, maybe go and make an appearance at the Michigan game. See if Portnale will get the college game day crew there.

It would be like, hey, hey, let's make a little deal out of Michigan, Nebraska. Were they? But it's Dave. He's all Michigan. Really? We might have to roll. Get the camera, see what kind of field passes we can get. Austin Winfrey.

Say it was up to all the tier ones out there, all the Nebraska fans. What did you say, Garrett? I was just throwing our boys name out there. A little shout out. Austin Winfrey. Shout out, Austin Winfrey. You're a boy, so all free shoutouts. But yeah, I feel like we need to get to a Nebraska game since I got all this free time

on my hands. It's tough, like just rooting for all these teams, several teams. I feel like I need to go actually support them in person. You know what I mean? Outside of just the tailgates, which, by the way, we're going to have another tailgate this weekend at Acme go to it. We're going to, hey, those shirts that you guys, you know what, my hands up on this. I promoted a shirt not long ago

and it was the boy shirt phenomenal, great shirt. The oil color colors, like the shirt is a banger. And we can only get like 15 made because the warehouse was lowish low on the quantity, right? So we couldn't get them printed and get them couldn't get them to us fast enough. But I was told Barso, I was like,

just send me the 15. We'll just do a little thing at the tailgate. I didn't know that it was going to be like shirt of the year. You know what I mean? Like I got to Acme on Sunday Who was I with? Was I with you, J.P? And the line is wrapped around Acme

Without the doors opening yet. Doors open at 10 o'clock. Like the actual Acme doors open at 10 o'clock. But there's a line wrapped around And people are wanting that shirt. People are wanting that The Boy shirt. And I'm sitting there going in thinking, fuck me.

I did that video. Everyone thinks we got these shirts at the tailgate. And the shirts were gone in the first 15 purchases. How many of the first guy buy? Five. That's what I'm saying. I didn't even know.

that. So, like, everybody who's probably in the back of the line like, damn, they sold out already. Hey, they're popular. Like, that person who's probably six in line. Yeah. That's probably like he didn't get his shirt. Like, what the fuck's going on? I literally got here at 9 a.m.

We're restocking everything. We're restocking everything. Everything will be restocked. There's one thing the boys learned about is, hey, we need to have shit stocked. Last year was the COVID year. So we did, like, in the year before that, the boys were, like, newer. So we, we just weren't slinging merch like the boys have been slinging merch. And last year was the COVID year

So you just the numbers were lower The numbers were low We were capped off So stuff flew out and I realized like I can't do the fans like that Because you guys come to that tailgate I need to have this merch ready for you guys So there will be those new shirts

You'll be able to get them at the tailgate We will not be short I want to say I promise But I got to I still got to make clear with Allison I got to make clear with Barstow first I almost promise I 90% promise

Should we have a, should we do an ad read? Yep. Who is it? Who do we got? Better help. This is perfect for us right now because we're all down bad. We could use some help. Better help.

Betterhelp.com. Shout out the boys at better help. The best way to think about therapy is through a bunch of analogies. Am I supposed to read that? Yeah. Okay. I didn't know if I was supposed to give it an analogy. Yeah.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. We get our cars tuned up and even bigger issues down the road. Okay, let me say that one again. We get our cars tuned up to prevent bigger issues down the road. You saw this one coming. We get annual checkups and go to the gym to maintain physical wellness and prevent injury and disease. We do chores regularly, some of us anyways, to avoid a giant mess of a house and eventually cockroaches. Going to therapy is like all of the above.

It's routine maintenance for your mental and emotional wellness to prevent bigger issues down the road. we're having Spencer Leon he didn't get ACL surgery but there's this good ACL analogy and it's not because fucking Taylor either for the love of God I'm realizing this hole I'm digging um but I have one of my uh my business my business advisor financial guy he always talks about like having like tough conversations like you want to have tough conversations it's like getting ACL surgery if you don't get surgery on this big injury I shouldn't even say ACL I should just say big injury whatever um making it a big deal but ECO one I don't even need to um but you You fix the problem so that way you're not dealing with them down the road.

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He's an Iowa wrestler. He's making his way to the Mount Rushmore of wrestling, I think. feel like. I feel like there's a lot of talks out there, a lot of stories out there of the boy becoming one of the best wrestlers of all time if he locks in the sports natty going in after this year, saying he goes undefeated. I'm putting a lot of pressure on the boy saying all that stuff. But he is, Spencer Lee's a three-time national champion. He's won all three years, going for his fourth in a row this year. A two-time Dan Hodges trophy winner. And for those who are football fans and not wrestling fans, the Dan Hodges trophy is just like the Heisman. So he's a two-time Heisman winner already.

Two-time Big Ten wrestler of the year, James E. Sullivan Award winner, that's the best athlete in America. Was that this year? I believe it was last year, yeah. He's the kid who, he went viral for talking about tearing his ACL.

He tore his ACL in the Big Ten championship. Eight days later, won the national title in the NCAAs on a torn ACL, not fixed. He talks about it in this podcast. He was in the facility like nine hours a day doing three, three-hour workout. He's won 35 straight matches outscoring his opponents, 432 to just 42.

Damn points. That is insane. He's 75 and 5. What do you say? He lost twice his freshman year three times a sophomore year? That's tough. 75 and 5, 15 and 0 at the NCAA championships. But this is an awesome interview.

You guys are going to enjoy it. He's an Iowa wrestler. I know that is brutal. Trust me, it pains me. but we only want the best on the bus and this boy lives up to that caliber um he's cut from a different cloth the dude has some insane stories but you guys are really going to like spencer lee rate review if you guys are watching right now on youtube please leave a comment in the real comments not just the live chat love you guys in the live chat you guys are doing phenomenal but click

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I already feel too formal. Hey, welcome to the bus. So you know. So your eligibility. I was looking up your stuff and I was getting confused because I'm like, it looks like he's wrestled for four years, but he's a three-term. I know he's going for a fourth.

So explain like what the, where your eligibility is at. Yeah, so the one year I, uh, We competed the entire season, and so we had our Big Ten tournament, and then the next week, or two weeks there would have been nationals. And four days before nationals, they canceled in a Sillade tournament. So I did wrestle my fourth years, but with the COVID happening, they actually just gave us all another year if you weren't a senior already. So I, so this last year didn't count towards eligibility.

So I was technically a senior this year, but it didn't count towards my eligibility. So now I'm a super senior almost. fifth year senior yeah be a nightmare again yeah i get one more year yeah that's one more year that's well that's bad uh that's bad research on my part knowing that the because the uh spring athletes got canceled yeah because baseball did yeah you guys definitely did damn okay that makes sense that makes sense so i want to read do you have all of his accolades on here because it's it's too too long of a list to even memorize and rattle off i actually had your stuff pulled up dude the shit's insane man the stuff that you've accomplished and you know

Look, I'm a football guy. Anybody, any wrestler fans that we accumulate by having this, by listening to this podcast and all the I with faithful listening right now. Like, I'm a little ignorant now in the wrestling game. My brother, he went to Nebraska wrestled. So we're a wrestling family. But the stuff for anybody not familiar with wrestling, the dude that we have on the bus right now,

number one, he was the kid who tore both of his ACLs and won the Natty on two torn ACLs, right? Yeah, yeah. So we'll talk about that. We'll get fired up. Trust him, we've got enough. the boys will be stroking your ego enough. But the dude is like, you're a three-timer, right?

Going for your fourth. If you would, if, listen, I know, coach, what's, coach's name, Coach Brandt? Yeah, Coach Brands.

Yeah, Coach Brands. They're twins, too. Yep, Tom. They're ferocious. I visited there when I was getting recruited, and I'm sitting here thinking of my mind, now I'm about to start talking about myself in a special league.

I'd rather you talk about yourself. So when we were going through the recruiting process, Cody, my brother Cody, he was a senior national champion coming out of high school. He was a stud. The boy, Cody, Cody was a stud. And we did this unofficial recruiting trip where I went to Missouri first, Nebraska and Iowa, like all in the same week with my family. And all, Missouri, all those three schools were also recruiting my brother Cody because they knew that I wanted to go to a school. Also Illinois, they knew I wanted to go to a school to where Cody could also wrestle there too. So when we went to Iowa, it was after the Nebraska visit.

Nebraska was just their facilities are insane. And then I go to Iowa. I know their football facilities are better now, George Kittle. I get it. They're better now. But back then it was like, it wasn't even close. It was black and white. I was like, yeah, these guys have no shot.

But I knew the wrestling program. Obviously, I was like the greatest, arguably Nebraska. But we went, y'all meeting the brothers, the brands, dude. And, dude, they're just fiery. Like, wrestling, like, is just a different, is just a different world. You guys are all fucking crazy. Yeah. Like, we would have wrestling bouts at parties in college.

When I was at Nebraska, you know, you can speak on whatever you want to speak on. But the football team, we'd have all the boys together. And the football team would think that they could beat the wrestlers. I'm sure you've dealt with your fair share of guys who were heavy in you thinking they can wrestle with you. And dudes would circle up outside in the front lawn. We're at a house party, right? Dudes are, we're circling up, putting the lights on the, putting the lights on the grass. People are circling up all around to make a little ring. Football players would go out there and wrestle these dudes. Me, I'm smart. I stood back because I knew what time it was. I knew what was

going to happen. dudes are getting hip tossed left and right. We got our, you know, 125-pounder tossing our freaking 190-pound corner. Like it was, our linebackers getting in there getting tossed by like a 150, what is it, 157? Yeah, 157 pounder just getting dummied. Hey, will, you're going to get out there against Cody? Like, that's my brother. It's like, fuck, no, I'm going to get out there against Cody. It's funny.

That was, that would happen. Yeah, right? And Mike Chandler came on one time. He hip tossed up, Blaine Gabbardt. They said they did it at Mizzou. Have you ever wrestled a football player? Have they ever wanted to challenge you? Yeah, I've had a few joke around.

But are you like, no, I don't, I don't deal with that. You don't ever say, let's grab a little bit? No, I mean, I might, I might mess around, like, grabbing him. because a lot of the football players in Iowa, they're wrestlers too. So, like, you know how wrestlers greet each other. They're always grabbing and messing around a little bit. You know, you ever see wrestlers?

You ever see wrestlers? You ever see wrestlers greet? We're just grabbing your arm or we're locking up behind you. You're picking a guy up. You guys start working hand, control, and shit, fucking head-tie it up. Dude, that's how wrestlers agree. It's like, people look at you weird, but us, like, we're just naturally grabbing you.

Like, no problem. Have you ever seen the football players in wrestling? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I watched one of our backup heavyweeds kind of get launched by a football player. They were there. Also the football player won. Yeah,

he did. Because he was a state champ in high school, not to, you know, but, you know, they had wrestled in high school and the wrestler, obviously,

had won all their matchups, but I think they were a little gone. You know, I think, I think someone's a little, you're, they were having some fun, and, yeah,

he got, he got thrown. So I've seen that video a lot, and I'm not going to name names I don't want to make him feel better. Oh, is there, is there, there's a video out there?

Yeah, there's a video. Well, Alex, Welcome to Bustin with the boys He said up I don't know if you're gonna be able to find it It was like a Snapchat video Do you remember that Oklahoma video? What was the

Was it a football player? Oh yeah he was an MMA guy Oh okay Awesome awesome awesome No I wanted to say the football player like shoved him right And then the dude was like kind of like Or he like kind of like hit his face

And he kind of rubbed his face Like okay motherfucker And then just dropped him but it was actually the other guy finished it other guy started it yeah this one right here is it just getting his ass beat I'll tell you what though being around the wrestling culture

wrestlers they want shit like this when they go out yeah definitely wrestlers they're they're not looking for trouble but they'll they'll kind of adhere to it they'll they'll kind of push things Right, they'll gaslight a little bit.

Oh, yeah. But they'll be like, no, no, no, no, but they'll kind of keep it going. Yeah. Well, yeah, they want you to mess with them. Wrestlers, you know, they know what they're capable of. And at the same time, they also think they're even more capable of what they really are. Yeah. Then you get a few of them together and then you're kind of hyping like, he don't know.

He don't know. Exactly. Like, no, he doesn't fucking know. Well, I feel like every wrestler is like little man syndrome, you know. There we go. Hey, I commend Spencer for saying that. I'm not putting down the wrestling. Listen, listen, I'm a 125 pounder.

college, I'm five foot three. I'm small. I know my place. I'm not going to fight some 250 pound you know, blindbacker. It's not my place. But my teammates will. My teammates don't care. Would you say, would you say you have a little man syndrome? I do not. I'm, I'm a lover, not a fighter. You know, the only time, only time I'm mean is when that whistle blows other than that. I'm pretty nice. My teammates are very different though. Yeah. They'll fight anybody. Yeah. I mean, you go to one of the wrestler house parties and not to just say, on parties this whole time. You go to a wrestler house party.

And these dudes, you'll go in. They'll be full team will be there. Maybe their girlfriends, maybe not. They don't even need women there. They just need to be shirtless with a bandana on their head and a beer in their hand. Talking about wrestling and cauliflower rear. Is that fair? I don't know about our team anymore.

I've heard stories about previous teams, though. I was pretty big party school. Yeah. I knew because Nebraska, like my brother and I, we lived together and he'd be like, oh, no, we're going to go to we're going to go to football house Yeah yeah we're going to go to a wrestler's house And they're like hey what do you guys

You know we're thinking about going out We might swing by you know the pregame We might swing by there before we go out And you go to the to the wrestler house And it's just like hey boys what are we doing in here Like we're the chicks like These dudes just want to play like beer pong And compete about you know games

And like hey you want to wrestle And then they start fucking wrestling Dude the competitive nature is so stupid They'll play Madden And they'll throw the controller And break TVs like My teammates are so funny.

Like, they hate each other. They'll get in the fist fights. Then they'll be smiling and laughing five minutes later. It's the weirdest thing. Oh, I love, dude. It's a different breed. Yeah,

you're probably all about it. Different breed, man. They just think differently. Let's talk about this double ACL story that went viral. And it was the one thing I wanted to give George Kittle credit for it because he's an Iowa guy is that you were out there talking about what was your famous quote? What was your famous line? Oh, I said F excuses.

Excuse sir for Wusses. That's right. I said, that was my, that was my. Look at a backwards hat on. What did I say, he looked like Pablo Sanchez if there was backyard wrestling? Pablo Sanchez. People can hear, if we had our headset on,

we'd be able to hear what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, play the audio. I mean, eight days ago, I tore my ACL and my other knee. I'm wrestling with no ACLs. And, you know, whatever, man. I don't want to tell anyone because F excuses.

Excuses are for wusses. And you know what? That was a tough turn for me. I could barely wrestle. I could barely shoot. I can't sprawl. But you know what? I believe to my coaching staff

and everyone that believed in me and here I am. So there you guys go. How did you handle the self-doubt? Well, I mean, there was no doubt. It was just, hey, no one else can do this but you. Are you on my teammates? I was just so fired up.

Oh, you should be, bro. You won a fucking national championship. Eight days after tearing an ACL. I get being uncomfortable. Trust me. When there's compliments, JP gives them to me a lot. I get extremely uncomfortable. You're the biggest fan.

Yeah, JP's my, he's a tier one of the boys. But I understand you feeling like, you know, I know you're in the moment, but dude, number one, how did you tear your ACL? Oh, I tore it in the middle of Big Ten finals. First, like 30 seconds in the match. Did everybody know it? Well, I knew immediately. I tore it.

I was kind of like, he took me. The guy actually scored on me. and then my nose started bleeding or something I remember running over the corner and I'm like my ACL's torn and I'm like I'm like feeling it out I'm like oh yeah I was like I blew it out and but I still have like the whole first period to go the next two periods and I'm losing

I got taken down first which like never really happens to me so I was kind of like so well I was like but I like I saw I'm like all confused I'm like what's going on like what just happened and my coach is like in my face and I'm trying to tell him like hey I tore my ACL and he grabs me he's like he's like wake up and I'm like okay and I just remember going back to the middle and keep wrestling.

And I never told him that I tore my ACL. So I ended up winning the match, 21 to 2. So he scored two points. And I ended up winning 20. Yeah, so I scored. So dude was up on you 2 zip or 2 1. Yeah, 2.0.

And you're like, yo, I tore my ACL. So I scored 21 straight points. And I run off the mat. And I'm like, just trying to tell him about my knee. And they're like, oh, some match you do good. Let's get ready for nationals. I'm like, Tom.

Tom's like, what? Because I stopped him because we had guys in the finals of 33, 41. on. Like, we were just go boom, boom. So he's getting ready for his coach. I'm like, I'm like, Tom. I'm like, I tore my ACL. He's like, your other knee?

I'm like, yes, my other D. He's like, what? And he was gone. Next thing you know, and I got, you know, doctors and they're, they feel my knee out. And then Dr. Westerbid and Dr. Peace and they're like, yeah, yeah, he goes. He's like, I'm 90% sure you tore ECR. And I was like, I was like, I know it's torn.

Okay, you don't have to tell me. He's like, we need MRI tomorrow. I'm like, no, we don't need MRI. I was like, I know what else he did. I'm like, I know what's wrong. I just didn't want to know, really, you know? I didn't actually want to know what was wrong if I knew, but I was like, I know it's torn. And that was kind of like what happened.

So did you get an MRI the next day? Yeah, next day. And then there's, you know, completely torn ACL. Just a clean ACL, yeah, nothing else. I was, you know, very fortunate. They always tell me, you know, it was my third time tearing ACL. And I've only ever toured an ACL, very clean. You know, as clean as you can get, they always tell me.

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Okay. So when you went into the nationals this year, you only had one actual torn ACL at the moment? Well, they're still, my right knee's still torn. You didn't get it fixed? No, I never got fixed. What the phone did?

No, I never. Why didn't you? He still winning. Well, I was down too old. Then I told my ACL and he's like, let's go. And I'm like, okay, go to the middle of the mat.

And I win 22 to, to two. Well, the thing was, I had surgery with an awesome doctor, and he was Pittsburgh Steelers doctor, Dr. Bradley. So I was at a great doctor, and he did an awesome job, but I end up just freak accident, tearing it again in the NCAA finals, in, like, the second period, end of the way finals. And I was like...

And this was your... This is my sophomore year. So when I won my second... I tore it in the second period, just randomly. Like, the guy was like, Matt returning me, like, from... I was standing up and, like, pull me back. And my knee just gave up pop. And I was like, I was upset because I'm like, I got surgery.

My knee felt 100% wasn't wearing a brace, nothing, boom, just tear it again. You know, a year and two months after I have surgery. You know, I've only been healthy for like four months, really. You know how surgery goes to ACLs. Like you're healthy, but like you really start feeling good after like 10 months. And so I'm like, I don't want to get surgery. I was like, I'll see how I do. And I just kept wrestling with it.

And I wore a brace all year. And now it's pretty strong. So that's. So when you, when you tore your ACL in that sophomore, match were you up were you winning or losing at that point i was winning yeah i was winning um i was winning uh i think i was winning two zero but he rode me out and i got like a stall call so i got like a point for stalling because i made him he was stalling the first period when i took him down and so i ended winning a match i think five zero in that match and he chose neutral and i took him down um so

that was pretty jp and uh wrestling like you're gonna hear phrases like ride me out it's a wrestling phrase so don't be fucking childish back there he's gonna make fun of me yeah i got Ride me out. Hey, relax, relax. So at any of these moments, like, we've all obviously seen a bunch of guys who tear ACLs. I've been fortunate. I've only told me PCL. He was on its own.

But was, were you just not battling pain? Like, what the, like, I don't know. Like, I see some dudes they can't walk right after. Sometimes it, it, their genitalin's going and then they don't feel to, like. later at night. Some guys walk into surgery. Obviously, they can't play football, play their sport, and they get surgery to repair it. Like, are you not experiencing pain, like, after you tear your ACL? Well, yeah, there's, I mean, the pain's really from, like, the swelling and, like,

you know, and you're exploding off of it early, like, just stuff like that. So, I mean, there was more pain at the end of the time. But there would be, like, now, like, if you wait, like, six months, right? Right. So, but, I mean, it's not really the pain. It's more like, you can't do things. Like, like, if my buddies wanted to go play, like, spike ball, I can't play spike ball. Right.

Because I don't want to hurt myself. Right. Yeah. Like, it stinks. Like, so it's more like that. Like, there's things that inhibit you. Like, like, when I said in the interview, like, oh, I can't shoot, I can't sprawl. I can't, you know, I really couldn't do anything.

Like, I was basically just, like, walking at the guy, like a, like a robot and was just trying to get my hands on them so I could move him with my hands rather than being able to, you know, explode. Like, like, like, tackle the guy. And, you know, it was just like, the way I wrestle, I couldn't do it. And it was just, and I really. And I really couldn't because really messed me up was, yeah, my right knee was good, felt good. But after you hurt your left knee, you're doing everything again with your right knee, my right knee start hurt me again. So I'm trying to just stay complete.

My whole goal was stay healthy at the national tournament. I was just trying to stay as healthy as I could. With a torn ACO. Yeah, with, yeah, with a torn ACL. Well, my sport's a little different than football. I don't have to cut or explode or run. For sure. I need stay bent, you know.

Yeah, for sure. But it's still like the way you have to plant and do everything else. like all it takes is for your shoe to get caught a little bit on the mat to damage it even more, like kind of put you out. But I'm like so curious about even the pain, the pain factor too. Obviously, yeah, you're a tough SOB. Yeah. But like, I mean, eight days after tearing an ACL, right?

So would have been. Yeah. Yeah. I am a bad ass. The first one, when you toured at the NCAA tournament, obviously that was a championship, so you won. So it's like, hey, it's all good. At least we won. We got out of it.

Were you feeling more pain after that? that one than you were this one? I would definitely say my, this, this one hurt more than the one two years ago. I think, but the one two years ago, I already had surgery on it. I had a graph in it. I was doing physical therapy for like three years, you know, you know, I feel like after I tore that one again, I still had like a lot of like stuff in my knee, keeping it strong. So, I mean, I was able to do, like, I mean, my, my trainers and my, my doctors, they were

always kind of like making fun of me because as soon as I tear it, they'd do all the test, like whether or not you had an ACL tear or not without an MRI. could do everything. I could, you know, one knee, one-legged squat. I could explode. I could jump. I could cut, you know, but, but the instance was as soon as, like, it did, it did give out, like, the instance, like, if you posted wrong, boom, like, I would just fall on the ground. And, you know, that, that would hurt, like, crazy. Then my knee would swell up and then you're getting it drained and you're icing it again. You're going, you know, you don't want to go backwards. So, like, it was really, I mean, it was a long process. I mean, surgery is a long time, not having surgery still a long process to, you know, so. So, and then the eight day one, when you had eight days,

like what protocols were you kind of doing to kind of keep yourself out of the weeds of like it acting up? Oh, it's hard. Because you can kind of like, you probably want to train a little bit for the NCAAs, but at the same time you're probably kind of in shape, I guess. Yeah. It's like, what are you doing in those eight days to keep swelling down and making sure you're ready to go like for the freaking national tournament? I had, and those eight days were pretty much like living hell, to be honest. I mean, I was doing three, three hour workouts.

day basically. Still? Every day. Well, my workouts, I couldn't wrestle, so I would have to go in and I do my physical therapy would be like to strengthen my quad. I'd be flexing my quad. I'd be doing like stim. I'd be doing, you know, exercises where I'm firing my quad because you want to fire

your quad, you know, because that's keeping your swelling out and you're keeping the muscles from atrophy because once swelling starts atrophy after like 12 hours, atrophy starts happening, you lose muscle. That's bad for that obviously, you know, I'll lose muscle. So, I mean, I'll be doing like physical therapy for like an hour and a half because I'd warm up like 30 minutes on a bike and then I'd have to, you know, I'd do like jumps and flex my quad and like and then I have to do my workout. The coaches then put me through an hour and a half workout so I could keep my in shape,

keep, you know, and then I have to, you know, I'd go home and I basically had like an hour and a half to sleep. And I'd go back in and then I'd hour half of therapy into another hour and a half of a workout. Then I have to go in at night for like my weight, wait to keep my weight down because my weight's always really good. I'm a big guy at my weight class. But for me, it was really hard because you go from wrestling every day and, being able to run because I ran a lot.

I loved running. That was like my way to like keep my weight down, keeping shape, but now I can't run. Yeah. Every step hurt to run. I couldn't run a treadmill to save my life. So now I have to bike and I have to like aerodyne and I have to for an hour and

half. And then I have to, you know, I couldn't even jump rope. But so like I was, you know, arm, road machines,

everything, whatever it could do to like another hour and a half and then I have to do physical therapy again with ice in my knee and stem and quad every day for like eight days straight. Like I was, I literally lived in Carver Hawk Eye arena like for like, for like almost nine hours a day, just trying to keep my knee from swelling

and to keep in shape and to keep my weight down. Like it was just constant. Like, and my teammates are, they're, they're like getting ready for national tournaments. So they're, they're tapering.

They're not coming in as much. They're, they're staying off the mat. So I'm in there nine hours a day and they're in there for like an hour and a half, two hours a day. So like it was just like, they never saw that thing.

Because I was always in at different times and everyone else because of COVID. Right. Everything. So I was the only guy, one of the two guys in my team who didn't get COVID. So I was actually, trained different times and everyone else because they were trying not so I wouldn't get

COVID that's the only way you lose right so I was just like it was just like you're just in it yeah I didn't have time to do school like it was either sleep or do homework and I was I was I shouldn't sleep yeah we got to win an adie I was I was I was begging my teachers like hey just let me do my homework late like please yeah hey student athlete yeah we're not we're not trying to do homework we're trying to win championships well school's important too but I got to say that right school's important now school's important everybody but Yep, yep, that's the first, first thing. Bro.

Yeah, that's nuts, man. Then you get to the tournament, right? And so are you nervous about your first match? I haven't wrestled. Right, that's what I was going to say. I didn't even know how my knee felt. Right. So were you nervous, like, going into your first match?

Yeah. I wonder how this thing's going to wrap. Because, again, this isn't, you don't have the graph. You don't have the stuff that you rehabbed on your other ACL. Like, this is a new ACL. Like, nothing's happened to that leg. So were you nervous going into, like, the national tournament thinking, like, And like, yeah, so they had to get me a brace.

They did get me fitted. And then the brace came in like two days before in national. So I never wore the brace before on my left knee. So I was tape my knee. Then I put a brace on. But then it's your knee is so stiff from the tape and the brace being so tight. I can't, I can't bend my legs like here. Right.

Like it was like, so I can't even like, I couldn't really do anything with it. So I'm trying to like drill before like my match to see how I felt. And I could like barely drill. And like then my knee would like give out one time like before, you know, my knee would give out. So then we're trying to make sure it's not swelling. and my coach is like, okay, you're good, you'll be fine. You'll be fine. We'll just warm you up on a bike.

So I'm more on a bike and then then tape my knee, putting the brace on, and then I'm going out to wrestle, you know, and I'm like, I have no idea what's going to happen. So I go out there to wrestle and I end up getting a quick take down. I turned the guy and I, you know, go off the mat quick. I'm like, that's what you want to do. Yeah. Yeah.

So I got off the mass fast. That was what I wanted to do. But that didn't end up happening the rest of tournament. All my matches went to full distance after that. So I had to learn how to. Were you ever in pain when all this stuff is happening? I mean, during the match, you know how it is adrenaline. I was fine.

But, like, my more, more problem was, like, I didn't have the ability to do things. Like, a guy, I remember I got taken down, like, twice by a kid in the second round. And both times, I don't even remember how I even got scored on. I'm just, like, wrestling. I'm wrestling. And he, like, grabbed my ankle and pulled out. Next thing I'm on my stomach. Like, my knee just, like, I couldn't do it.

Like, I just fell over. I'm like, oh, shoot. Next to him on top of me. And I'm, like, trying to get away. I'm like, what the heck just happened? It's just like there are things that happened. And then you come off the mat and then, you know, after pulling your knee out, and your knee hurts.

So then you're going back home. You're doing the stem. You're doing the ice. You're still flexing. Then you've got to make the weight and you still got to compete the next day. So it's like, I was constantly like just doing these things. And it was just like, no one sees that. They just see the interview, right?

Right. Right. Right. Oh, no excuses, right? No shit. Yeah. Yeah. No excuse.

I don't. I just didn't. I just didn't. Yeah. No. There's always more to it. Yeah, 100%. I apologize.

Yeah, my bad. Is it good, though? Yeah, you're good. Okay. All right, cool. So, you win. Now, what's the thought process? This is the same thing thinking, I don't want to have surgery on this ACL.

Like, why haven't, why hadn't you wanted to fix this knee? I just, you know, I said my, you know, my right knee feels good. So if I can ever get to that point, you know? So your right knee feels good right now? Yeah. And there's a 20, you don't have ACLs in either leg. Yeah, no, I could, I can even, people don't believe. me. Like, I remember, like, ESPN posts that, and I don't really like reading comments because

people are mean, right? So, I remember reading some of that. I love that, dude. I remember, so, yeah, there's, you know, God, everyone knows everything, right? So I remember clicking on a couple just like, I was like, oh, you know, I had a lot, I kind of, I didn't even know ESPN. I never been like ESPN before, you know, wresters aren't usually on ESPN. And I was like, okay, this might be kind of cool. I'm reading the comments. This guy's faking it. No way. He's lying. I'm like, I'll post my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, I'll screenshot my medical, like, no, like, like, slap tear, no, whatever, I don't even know the term or anything, but I love that, like the innocence and genuine of just like, no, you know, I wanted to read the comments.

I thought it was cool being on an ESPN, but I looked and people are mean. So I probably shouldn't read this stuff. I didn't. I was like, I'm not. That's okay. I made on ESPN. I'm happy. That's the mind I want.

That's the mind we all need. Like, yeah, well, let's just not even dive into this with the bottom fears. You're not on Twitter that much. No, I'm not on Twitter a whole lot. No, never. Never. Never. No, he's never on Twitter.

I try to stay off there. You know, I'm trying to narrow vision, you know what I mean? Focus only. Yeah. Bro, like, knowing you have two torn ACLs right now and you're going to this year, you're not worried at all because apparently you feel good. What are your goals? Like, what are you, you're obviously going for a fourth. You would be one of how many to have four national titles.

I'd be the fifth. Of all time? Yeah, last 108 years ago. And that's in company with one of your own Gable, right? No, Gable, Gable didn't win four. Oh, Dan, didn't get four? I listened to him on Joe Rogan recently. He was awesome.

Listen, my dad, like, growing up with the wrestling, my dad, that was back when you had to buy all the VCR tapes. Yeah, yeah. We did that too. You had to watch. But who is it? Kail Sanderson. Yeah, Kail Sanderson, Pat Smith, Logan Steber and Kyle Dake are the four four timers. Yeah.

Yeah. And you're probably looking to be the fifth. Trying, yeah. I got a lot of, you know, I got to get there. So with, because I also read something to where you were going to do something with the Olympic team this year? Well, yeah. So, how does that work with wrestling? Because obviously, if, say, any other sport, it's balancing that you're a college athlete,

but then you also get an opportunity to be with the Olympic team. Explain how those seasons kind of work for you. Yeah, so usually the Olympic trials or world trials or right after the collegiate season, usually either, you know, April or, you know, May. So torn ACL. Yeah, so I, that was one of the reasons why I didn't immediately have surgery, was I wanted to make an Olympic team. I would have probably been the second seat at the trials, second or third seed.

I was right top three. Because the one seed was the guy who's been on the team the previous years. Right. And the two seed would have either been me or, you know, another guy. So it would depend on how the seating meeting would have gone. So I was right there. I mean, I mean, I think I'm, you know, obviously you got to think you're the best wrestler in the world at all times. You can't, you know, if you're saying you're not, then you're obviously lying yourself.

Yeah, exactly. And you're in the wrong sport, in my opinion. So, you know, it's individual sports. You versus another guy. So, I mean, I was going to. go and, you know, last second we made a decision not to. I was, I was pretty beat up after Nationals. I pretty much hurt everything in my knee without hurting everything in my knee,

if that makes sense. So you basically strained, like everything. Everything. Everything. Unfortunately, you didn't tear anything. Yeah. So I was like, I want to wrestle. And the coaches, like, it's your choice ultimately, you know.

So you don't want to regret anything. And the day, I'm like, I don't even know if I could wrestle on the mat right now. But I wanted to. I was like, I can do this. I can, you know, I'm not going to make, you know, I just went viral for some stupid no excuses, right? And I'm going to make, you know, I got a lot of crap for not going. I got a lot of crap for not going to the trials. Exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. That's why I was like, ah. It's like, I, you know, I cut. But. No doubt, bro. Like, we've all been. I, I, I just don't know how it would have gone.

And you don't want to damage your knee more than. Yeah. If you're feeling pain, like, you got just got to know when, hey. Today is not the day. It sucks because Olympics are every four years. And, you know, I mean, I watched the, I have a buddy from Japan who won the Olympics. We said we would go to, it was in Tokyo,

so we'd be there together, you know, kind of thing. So son of a gun, he won it without me, you know. You got to wait four more. Yeah, well, what's nice with COVID, I guess it's only 2024, so three years. And it's in Paris, so Paris is super cool. Yeah. Yeah.

So you get done with, you know, you get done with the NCAAs. And immediately because the difference with Olympics and what you see on NCAAs for everybody watching and listening is in the NCAAs, it's folk style. When you get in the Olympics, you go into freestyle, you go into this new kind of season. Are you also doing freestyle tournaments and Greco tournament? Is there Greco in the Olympics? Yeah. Are you doing these tournaments while also in the NCAA season?

Or do those seasons just happen immediately after the NCAAs are over? Yeah. Well, I mean, folks on freezers are pretty similar, like on your feet. You know, like when you guys are neutral, I mean, maybe people don't understand what I'm talking about. But basically, they're very similar. Yeah, they're very similar. Like the style, there's just rule changes. That's all.

I would say they're just different rules, different scoring a little bit. But if you know anything about folks' style, you'll be pretty good with freestyle. Just like there's some certain things that change. But we go right into freestyle right after season. And we, you know, our goal is make World Olympic teams. You know, when we go to Iowa's, Tom Brands always says World Olympic and national titles. That's what we're training for. And that's, yeah, so that's the plan has the goal.

And, yeah, we go into it. And then, you know, the world championship in the Olympics usually year in, like, I would say, like, August, usually. So then right goes right into college season right after. So it shows that you guys go all year round. Yeah, we, yeah. There's no season of wrestling. And then you're kind of in the off season. Like, you're all year round.

Yep. All the fucking time. Yeah. Is worlds every two years? So World Championships are every year. And then every fourth year is the Olympics. So, yeah. So did you go to, did you do compete in the worlds this year?

No, so this year, if you're an Olympic medalist at your weight, you get to take the world team spot of this year. So the guy at my weight ended up taking Olympic bronze. So he took the week. He'll be the world team member next month as well. Got you. Or else I would have tried to compete for the world team spot. How would you've gotten to compete if he wouldn't have meddled at the Olympics?

Yeah, he would have probably been in the, either in the semis or the finals at the trials. and then I would have had to go. So you don't even get a shot to win worlds this year? No, I don't. Is that brutal? Yeah, I mean, it sucks because you miss Olympics and then you miss the Worlds. Yeah. You know, when that's your goal.

But, I mean, it's fine. You know, I'm still young. I'm only 22. And, yeah, I mean, I'll be 23 next month, so I'm getting not old, but, like, for college, I'm getting pretty old for a college kid. And then, you know, I got five to 10 more years maybe competing internationally. Yeah. You think how long do you want to wrestle?

To my body gives out. So you want to go until, hey, you can't even walk. Pretty much, yeah. I mean, if you love the spore, you might. Hey, buddy, you've torn everything in both your legs. Like, what are you doing? Maybe take a year off, get surgery on everything, you know. Try again.

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first moottober for the people you love most and do it starting with georgia boot dot com using code bussing explain like we were you yourself and a lot of the majority of wrestlers like get this mindset of this individual sport and not having any doubt is this something you've always have had or do you feel like there's been times throughout your career and your journey since being a little kid just being a little pup like growing up and just like kind of cultivating this mindset of I am the best you know what I mean like you've never are you are you saying like since you've been in college at Iowa even as a young freshman because there's obviously beasts like all across the board um you've never thought like I'm like this dude like he's he's better than me but you know I got a little

bit of a shot here or there. So I would say I was always different. I've never asked someone for their autograph. I've never asked someone for a picture. That's hang on. He just did out there with me. So that's, I'm just kidding. Totally.

My first time. First time. We'll call to the first time. No, it's just because I, if I saw someone in the wrestling community that was like World Olympic champ and they asked, you know,

if everyone's getting their autograph, I would just say I'm going to be better than him one day. So I don't want his autograph. He's going to want mine. That's kind of, even when I was a little kid, I always thought like that. So I never thought that there was, anyone better than me ever when I've wrestled in my entire life ever so I just fact that you're a three

time around I'm just like I'm kind of in all but if you hadn't won anything about you this dude's a fucking cycle you know what I mean okay he's a he's a young kid right and you see like Jordan burrows oh yeah you wouldn't want his autograph no not at all I I'd rather I'd rather be on the team with him and be a teammate you know have you met Jordan yeah yeah he's a good dude awesome guy yeah I'd rather be his teammate so and so this is something that's just always been a part you. Yeah, I've never, I've never, I've never understood autographs. So whenever I was first asked to sign an autograph when I was like, I don't know, 13 or something, then PA, little kids, you know, you want a state title, I asked you, I was like, why are you on my autograph? It doesn't make any

sense to me. It's just, it's just a signature. So like, when I see that stuff, it just kind of makes me laugh, you know, even today I'm like, people, with NIL, you know, people are like, oh, you know, I'll pay you to give me an autograph. I'm like, no, I'll just give it to you. Like, I just don't think that it's really worth anything. Oh, that's where, that's where you boys got to come in. Yeah, well, I don't know how much you want to be on. No, no, no, no, no. We don't worry.

He's talked. He said, no, no, no, no. He's talking, if he wasn't sitting here, like, I'm just going to have to, for that one, I'll be your guy. No, that's not, that's just how my, I'm just saying that's how my brain works. Yeah. I totally understand what it is and how it works and everything. But I just, like, don't, my brain doesn't compute that because I'm like,

why wouldn't you just want to be, you know, better than me or anything? What about, what about doubt? You never understood the autograph thing, but what about doubt? How have you dealt with doubt throughout your career? Well, I think that, you know, I think Dow creeps in on everybody. But the biggest thing is, you know, what I've learned being in college. Because I never, I think I was almost too confident in high school. Like, I really thought that, like, I could win the Olympics when I was like 17, you know.

And, you know, I could wrestle with like our Olympian. I was our Olympian's training partner, Dan Dennis. He was, he's awesome. He's our regional train center coach. So he's an Olympian 2016. So I knew I could wrestle with him. I knew that like where I was, but, you know, I was, then I got to college and you kind of like open your eyes. the guys are really good and people are improving and and you know I was like wow can I do this

yeah and it's like coaches they're that's their job to kind of like reiterate the fact that like yeah you can do this and like so like they really help me like believe in myself to get to that next level because I always just thought that one day I'd be the Olympic champ you know like it's just going to happen right because I was like I'm going to be the best like and and you know they're like Spencer it's really hard to win the Olympics like but you can do it you know if you just keep being positive because like I'm always super negative like if I even get scored on like two or three times in practice ever like even one time like i'm i used to like freak out and get upset and get mad like why is he scoring on me shouldn't score on me you know and like hey

this guy wants to win too spencer like you just need to keep focusing on yourself keep positive and keep wrestling just use that to fuel yourself right so like i just you know you get more mature and you learn so it's kind of like no doubt just be positive and just keep going as hard as you can so um were you one of those kids when you lost when you were younger you would you would kind of run off and like pout for two hours at a time. Well, I wouldn't. So, like, Cody, he would, he would rarely lose, but when he lost, he was like, he was like, he, you know, he was just like a spoiled brat for, like, the next two hours, like, pouting and

crying and, like, throwing stuff and everything like that. So maybe you. No, no. I totally understand that, like, for sure. Like, I was never, like, the crying two hours spoiled brat, but for five minutes, for five minutes. for five minutes, you don't go near me. Even in college, I mean, I've lost five times in college, so I've lost a lot of times.

Weren't they all as a freshman? No, I lost three as a freshman, or two as a freshman and three as a sophomore, and I haven't lost since then. And it's like, you can't be near me. Like my dad remember my dad warning commentary, like, hey, God forbid if he ever loses a match. God forbid if he ever loses.

He's like, just know that he will be fine after like five minutes, but if you go to him during those five minutes, you're going to hear things you don't want to hear, right? And, like, so I did end up losing and like, I mean, I'm not even going to tell the story because I don't want people to hear it,

to be honest with you. Yeah, hear the bad shit. Yeah, well, I've said some crazy stuff to Tom after I lost, you know, like, even like tell him I'm going to quit or like, you know, just like, because like my brain, my brain's like how, like, what is this?

Like, why am I going through this? Like, what is this? You know, it's my, because I will never ever blame anyone else for a loss. Like, I feel like I get, so hard after a loss on myself it's like I suck I I should have done this I should done that you know you never want to say should have could have would have you know you never want to ever have doubt like exactly you never want that's like I'm like hard like I'm

like I'm like I'm the worst I should just hang up my shoes now I should just retire like I'm like you know but I'm not like you know you know your fault you should this you shouldn't that's always like how could I have been better you know then I after like five minutes I'm sorry like let's get it's what's next what's next best thing you know because I've lost I didn't win a big 10 title to my like my junior year of course college, you know, and I was a two-time national champ. I never won Big Ten's, you know, and it's like, what's next? Next best thing was always nationals.

Did you ever feel like when you lost in those Big Ten's that it was going to carry over, like, you had, like, doubt crept in on those guys who would beat you? I mean, I would, that. Or you were, like, ready to get to the NCAA's because you're like, I know what happened. Exactly. I haven't seen anything. Like, they haven't seen me at my best yet. They haven't, that's how I always thought.

And, but what always, like, blew my mind was, I would, like, be number one in the country. And I'd, you know, I'd go to Big Ten's and I'd get upset. and like the fans would be like he's washed he's going to lose like he's going to lose at national like hey people he's a college kid he's honestly I people say crazy stuff like I remember like I used to get like like I don't know like upwards of like 20 DMs the day of people tell me that I suck when like I lost in the big 10 finals the second time you know and they just like you suck you're going to lose again like your career's doomed like I'm just like why do people like do that you know I just be like I want to like talk to me like hey you okay like something happens to you

They're definitely projecting something. Yeah, like, is there something going on in your family life or something? Right. Being in some 19, 20-year-old's DMs talking. Yeah. Like, nobody's going to be harder on me than myself. And my coaches know that. So they know, they know if I, you know, give me some space and I always come back.

I'll always be fine. What's next? How can I be better? Have you ever went back at a DMer? No. I would just delete them. There's no point. You're giving them what they want.

Yeah. That was my problem. I knew I wanted to say something, but you can't. You know, because these guys, they have the power. They can screenshot it and they can post it. You know, if you say something mean, like, you're the bad guy at that point. Right. You know, if you're, you know, you've got to be the bigger man and not do that.

Yeah, sometimes I like to be the smaller man. I don't blame you, man. Go back and forth a little bit more. See, but you're funny, though. You take it, you take it funny. I appreciate that. You make it, you make it. It's been a lot of work.

Yeah. There was a, what are you laughing at, J.P? It's been a lot of work. Like, it's this grind. No, no, no, no. It's not a grind, but the doubt in the beginning, like, in your early days, especially, like, when you get to a collegiate sport, like, you're starting to learn about how much fans care because you're not in high school, just dominating anymore, right?

Like, how much people care, how much they're, like, judging you, like, how just opinionated everybody is, and that you feel like you're under this microscope, and you only think about your own bullshit, right? So you never realize that pretty much every player on the team or every teammate you have is going through something similar and everybody kind of deals with the same stuff. So that's what I meant by that, JP. You took mine out of context. I thought you were talking about how you go back.

Oh, yeah. It's a grind. It's a grind. I'm talking about back in the day. Like when shit did it kind of like, you're just like, you're like pissed off. You like want to fight them. Now you just realize you can have fun with it. Spencer,

going back to like high school and grown up, did you play other sports that were more team oriented or was it always just wrestling? Uh, well, I played soccer is probably my next favorite sport. I did cross country. I did a little bit of football when I was younger. I mean, I've been the size since I was 11, so 5'3 foot three, you know, 120 pounds since I was 11.

I'm like 130 now. God damn it. Yeah. I was just teasing you. I know. I played some football. I played some football. I just wasn't very big, so.

I would love to see you in a uni as a kid, like with the helmet on, just oversized. He's like tipping over. So funny. Yeah, but I loved other sports When did you start going wrestling only? So in eighth grade I made the, so we had eight, we have age group world teams and world championships. So I made the cadet world team at 14 years old. And I went over to world championships and it was in, uh, it was in, uh, it was running in Serbia.

And I ended up losing two matches there. And I was winning the match both times. And I kind of just like, I never really had to like, I always kind of killed everyone in freestyle in America. Like those are my first two losses I think I've only lost three Yeah I've lost three times in freestyle in my life And those two lost when I was 14 And I didn't really know what to do

I was like I thought I would just kill everybody At the World Championships You know I really seriously that's just kind of what I thought And then I was I was beating them pretty good But I ended up like kind of like falling off And they kind of came back both the matches And so I was like I can't be doing other sports like

If I want to be a world champion The best of this I have to only do wrestling I can't put my time to other eggs other baskets and I So I was like I dad was like that I will never have that feeling again Like I will win worlds next year you know so Just what a savage Like uh you know

Being so like obsessed with the sport Especially like wrestling Like is wrestling ever just You like don't want to do it for a certain period of time Or you just love it so much I want to do it so often that you're always ready to fucking I think that's what makes someone like manic Is when the sport never gets old

You know, it's always like, how can I be better in this position or how can I be in better shape? How can I help someone else even? Like, I just, I always just want to be involved in the sport somehow. But when I am not in the sport, then obviously, like, it's okay. Like, I play video games and, you know, I try and make somewhat social. I'm not the social person alive, but, you know, but, you know, I'm always, you know, wrestling is my life. So it's what I do. It's I live it.

I live and breathe it. So I don't really get sick of it. It's nuts, man. Like, I hated wrestling growing up. Like Cody was always the best at it And when it was wrestling season Cody was the favorite kid And when it was which wrestling is more so all year round

So it would get the football season I'd get a little more love But I can never like win state or nothing I always got like second shit like that And then I quit after like my seventh grade year Yeah And had to wrestle again my junior high school Because I didn't go out for the baseball team

Because I just wanted to do football all year round And I told my mom as a sophomore Like I'll go out for baseball next year because she was like, why aren't you doing more sports? Because I was like doing every sport up until high school. And then I kind of just started to focus on football. And since I didn't go out for baseball, like I had said, my parents said I could either be grounded all winter or I could wrestle.

Because my dad, like, you know, it's like a wrestling family. My dad was all about wrestling. And, you know, Cody now coaches with the Perlers. Like, he's part of the Perler team where they travel and do all that stuff. And like, I hated wrestling so much. Like I had to get threatened you're either wrestling or you're grounding. You're like, you're like. You're like debating it.

Like, oh, man. I don't want to brag, but I qualified for state. Hey, there we are. Hey, I've taken that many years off. That's pretty impressive. You were in Nebraska? I can roll around a little bit. Yeah, I played football in Nebraska.

I didn't wrestle. I said, where would you? Would you rush in high school? Yeah. Missouri. Missouri is a good state. Missouri was solid back then. Back then it was like, if I can remember,

Cody being on team Missouri, it was like Missouri, Pennsylvania, New Jersey. Ohio. I mean, I was always in there. Where'd you grow up? Pennsylvania. Okay, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah, you just, yeah, yeah, so yeah, you just, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, is that you? Is that you? Is that you, is that the little, is that the little guy? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, again, my football play, my, my highlight, you just. Were you running back? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you get after it a little bit, that low center of gravity. Yeah. My dad always swore by it. He's like, your pro agility is going to get better and your, your low center of gravity,

your balance, blah, blah, blah. I mean, you know, fuck him for being right, but it was, it's brutal living like this tall off the ground for like three months of the year. I hate running. Like, I'm built,

football players are all built for like six, seven seconds at a time. Wrestlers, you're like, these dudes are running for days at a time. Start, you know, not eating food. Cody's cutting weight. I wrestled 215,

so I could kind of eat whatever you wanted. I'm like coming into a huge subway or McDonald's or something. Cody's pissed off. Like, then my parents, are getting mad, hey, you can't eat in front of Cody. Cody's got to make, you know, dude, it's tough, man. Wrestling is just, I have a bad taste in my mouth of wrestling growing up.

Yeah, spitting in cups. I'm talking these dudes, if they're a little bit overweight, they're like, they'll go into the day of wrestling or weigh-ins like, oh, I'm good, I'm five pounds overweight. And you're just like, what are you fucking talking about? And then they just take the next 38 hours to run in sweats where they're duct tape around their ankles and their wrist to where they can keep all the sweat in. they're jumprope

They're running They're sitting in saunas We didn't You know Not having a sauna We would have to Waste all of our hot water In our house

Because you would have to Just shut the door Stuff towels at the bottom You turn on just a hot water And could he be sitting in there In garbage bags Dude to make weight Because he wanted to wrestle

Like ready to beat some dude's ass And me I'm thinking Maybe I can over under this guy If I can hip him And toss him I'll win If not he'll sink his hips And he'll be over

Like my day will be over You're eating chips and stuff. I lose. I go up. My mom's like, oh, don't sit next to me. She's the one mad.

I'm like, I don't know. What can happen's mom? I lost. It wasn't my best day. Spencer, you've seen any crazy weight cut stuff? What's the craziest thing you've done?

Me? So in 2016, I wrestled at 110 pounds. So think about that, you guys. 50 kilograms was the weight. And I weighed about 130. So I had to lose like 20 pounds.

It took me like six months. I struck my body to be I was really this big. Yeah, it was a night before weighing, so I was, I cut five and a half pounds. Probably like two hours for weighing started. So I was like 115. Went down to 110. Next day I was 125. I was insane.

Disgusting. They changed the rules for wrestling because there's no more day before Wayne's now. It's two hours for international now because stuff like that. I mean, when I was the Olympics 2016 watching as a training partner, see these guys. They're wrestling 65 kilos. those now, which is 143, and they were 125 pounds in 2016. In 2017, they're 143 pounders.

Just because the night before way, and you make weight, you kill yourself, you lose sweat, sweat out eight pounds, you're barely walking to the scale next day, you know, boom, you're 10 over, 13 over, 14 over. Are you one of those dudes who are just not fun to be around when you're cutting weight like No, I'm, I keep my weight low all year round. I'm always constantly basically, because you could say perpetually cutting weight, but for me, it's just like a lifestyle. I think cutting, I think cutting weights a lifestyle, like.

I hate when I see guys who are 15, 20 over, and then they start cutting weight a month or fourth season, and then they're struggling, they're hurting, they're having bad practices. Like, no, I'd rather hurt, you know,

right now two months, three months, four months, four months, four seasons even starts than during season, you know, because then you get it down, you feel good.

So it's like an edge when your weight's always good. You never have a good. I feel that's probably the right way to do it. Yeah. High school kids do it wrong. That's why I'm laughing about the plastic bags and the, and the, you know,

the, you know, well, when you're young, you don't know any better. I mean, I was, I was telling you know, I was not Kyle about, you know, that when I was in high school, like, I didn't know any better. You, you, well, my dad would tell me that you should work out before you weigh in, you know, break a sweat, lose like a pound half, and then you feel good. It's like your warm up, and then you re-warm up after making weight. But high school kids,

what they do is they just don't eat anything a day before. They don't eat anything the day of. Yeah. They don't drink anything the day of. So you weigh in like 7 p.m., you're also at 8. You haven't eaten or drink anything all day. Then you stuff yourself with food and water. Now you feel like crap for the match. Shitty food too. Dude, they're ready to get. Because you're the one picking.

Like your parents aren't there. And you guys are so good. It's just validating what you guys are doing. Like it'd be you go out there, you know you're going to tech the guy. Like it would be don't pin him too fast. Work on your stuff. Go out there and tech him. Like start working on stuff.

Yeah. Like don't just pin it. Like that's easy. Like you'd get, not me. He's like, he toss. Yeah. It's not me.

Latrobe brother. But that's how it was. I assume it's the same thing for you. Like, you know, you're going to tech these, dude, so you kind of just go about your life however you want, because you know you're just going to beat the shit out of everybody. Well, I get pretty nervous for every match, so I wasn't, I took everyone pretty, almost too

seriously. In high school? Oh, yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter that I was, you know, I was a three-time world champ in high school and, you know, I was undefeated in high school. And I'm wrestling kids that are, you know, they don't know pretty much, you know, they're like one-time state qualifiers maybe at the best, right? Take it easy.

I just said that. And, you know, so I would, uh, I would, uh, I would, I would take them, I treat every match like it's the Olympic finals, you know? That's how my mindset was always. I'm rattled right now. Do you have many matches ever even go the distance? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In college, I had a lot.

I mean, I'd lost five times. But I don't know. I mean, when I was in high school, I probably only had like 10 matches out of like 150 go the distance. So over four years. I was reading something. And I don't even know if you even care to even talk about this. but I was reading somewhere to where it was talking about the company you could be entering by one in the fourth and just how you've measured up so far throughout your career but you have your five losses and when somebody brings like a K.L. Sanderson who went into. No losses.

Yeah. And people then talk about the style you do it too. Like you're known as I would assume on the, I'll go ahead and say the Mount Rush more of like scoring. Like very fast, very high scoring. You were like averaging over 12 points of match last year. which seems incredibly high. I don't know where I'm going with this. Are you asking me where I put myself?

I kind of want to. I kind of want to. Well, I haven't won yet. So how can I put myself with it? That's true. So I kind of, I don't want to, I don't want to just put that stuff out there

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But going in, obviously your clip goes viral and you now have a shirt because guys can now monetize the name image and likeness with the new NIL world. I assume you're a huge commodity in the NIL world

because you're an Iowa wrestler. What has it been like with the NIA? rules changing and what did you initially think and maybe you didn't think that much of it but also another question I have is like how has like it been handled in the university like with your team with that stuff too because I would assume as excited as everybody was we had like we had hundreds of DMs ourselves I know a bar still you're a bar still athlete as well but I know they had several hundred thousand people inquired and sign up for that and all I can think of as my head in my head was

coach Bo Pellini our Nebraska coach at the time would have had us in a team meeting talking about all these things. Like take us through the transition going into this NIL world, how it affected you and how it's affected the coaching that's went into it. Yeah, I mean, it's a whole new world, man. I mean, you go from, you know, not being able to make any money, you're being super careful. You got to be careful with camps. You got to tell them everything you make, everything. Now, it's like, you tell me everything you make, but like you can pretty much monetize yourself in any kind of way that it seemed, you know, allowed, like by the law of your state or, you know, or your compliance office, everything, everything goes to them. So, yeah, I mean, it was, I mean, I wasn't, like,

expect anything crazy but like I knew that like um after like my quote and I know everyone wanted a shirt from my quote and I was like whatever I guess because at the time you couldn't put that you couldn't put that on a quote you saw a viral moment happening yeah that's a prime example of say the nil world is happening at that time yeah within those next few days that shirt hits and you know you're capitalizing off of that moment that you had absolutely yeah it would have been it would mean that would have been like the best timing of course for sure I mean I didn't put a shirt out until like you know, July, like 27th or something. Yeah.

You know, and that obviously happened in March, so. Did you sell a lot of shirts? Yeah, I mean, for, yeah, I mean, it's still kind of going on and it's been really cool. I mean, Iowa fans are awesome. Like, they're, I mean, you probably don't like I have fans very much, but. I don't like to give them credit just because I have this. I totally get it. I totally get it.

But you should, you guys. I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that. An incredible, an incredible wrestling fan base. Yeah, it's unreal. I mean, have you ever been to a wrestling match in Carver Hockey Arena?

No, not not in, not in the Iowa, not at the Iowa arena. But that shit is lit, dude. Like, everybody in the stands yelling two and, like, arguing at the ref. And, dude, a wrestling match is lit, dude. I mean, we average, like, 13,000 fans. Really? I'm sure it's like. A match for wrestling.

And it holds 15,000 around there. So we almost sell it every time. Our fans are loud. They're into it. So it's. You know, Nebraska, we've sold out all of our stuff since, like, the 60s. The football games, right? Yeah, yeah.

You guys get donors to buy the rest of tickets up. We're taking shots now. Now we're taking shots. I might have been the donor. Hey, I'll do it. We've got a safe face here. Okay, that's awesome. I wasn't prepared for that.

That was very good. You're on your toes right now. Where can you get the shirt? Like, where can people buy the shirt? If they want to go get the, are they available right now? Yeah. I mean, there's the Barstool shirts. You know, on the Barstool website.

They, uh. Store? I'll help you out. Store. That barstillsports.com. You can go. What category is it under? You search.

Come on now. Don't act like you don't know your way around that website. I didn't. All I remember was it was like on the front page when I looked it up

the one time. That's a solid. That was a long time ago. Well, I will drop the link to where you guys, if you are Iowa fan, Spencer Lee fan,

you know, if you're about not having excuses, then you need to buy this shirt because my man's got an unelectric. That's a dope shirt. It's got like a little, it's got like,

it reminds me kind of like a, like a WCW vibe. Yeah, that was pretty cool. Is that weird? I can't see a shirt. The shirt, though, writing, no excuses. He's like, hmm. It reminds me about Wolf's T from Walmart,

but you're in the middle and then you got like this, this nice, go by the shirt. Thank you. I appreciate it. But yeah, dude, like, how are you balancing the two? Um, so I, that's something your coach has brought you guys in and talked about.

Yeah, we had a lot of meetings with it. Our compliance talked to us a lot. Um, we, we use an app called influencer and we have to put report everything through there. There's a bunch of resources on there too that our compliance office is really big into. Like if you need help, like there's a lot of people you can go to. Because, yeah, I mean, I just, I try not to focus on, you know, I'm not worried about like, how much money can I make? It's just like, you know, these are awesome opportunities and what's best for my brand and how

can I promote the sport of wrestling, the best? the best, you know, being ambassador of the sport. And, you know, at the same time, my main focus is winning, you know, my fourth national title and winning every match this year and being healthy and it's not just about how much money can I make, you know, because I feel like people are so focused on like, how much can I make or how can I have this opportunity to do signing here, pictures here, like, I don't want to take time out of my day. You know, that's the best kind of way to make money right there is have a shirt,

has someone else make it for me and, you know, yeah, exactly. So that was the, I mean, I was the easiest way. I mean, it was talking about Dave, which is super cool to Portland. He's, he's awesome. I mean, he's been with you. He was like, I mean, it was like, I was like, is there someone else I could talk to that, you know, he's like, no, you're going to work with me. I'm like, I'm like, okay. That sounds good.

Yeah, well, that was like the coolest thing, you know. So really, I was really like, you know, kind of like blown away about how, how, like, easy that was and how like, you know, down to earth it was, you know, for that opportunity to happen. He was super into it. Yeah. I understand what you're saying because, I mean, clearly number one. you're a three-time NCAA. I don't think anyone questions where your brain would be at with monetizing and stuff like that. But it's also super interesting to be in a spot like you because guys,

athletes can now monetize an image and likeness. And you're right. It's not beneficial to take time out of your day to go do signings unless it's something that's planned way in advance. Like the advice that I feel like I would give an athlete if they wanted to find ways to take advantage of it is having infrastructure that takes. care of it while you can do what you want to do. Having your own shop, obviously for you, you get to be a Barstile athlete,

and you get to be a credible one, like somebody who's a legend to be a Barstall athlete. What is this right here? Rudis, that's the brand that I signed with. So it's like, oh, nice. Yeah. So that's a wrestling company built by wrestlers. And when I say legend and everything, I'm not saying that to like, you know, I, you know,

I'm saying that for everybody else. I'm saying that to people listening, like you are in a credible spot and the benefits for you to do that is having this infrastructure behind you so that way you can't focus on wrestling and not bend over backwards to try and figure out okay how do I make money now yeah I definitely don't uh think you do that at all number one you're in wrestling it's not like it's the most financially beneficial support out there but it's good to be an iwill wrestler yeah in these big schools because whether it's national or even local like i'm assuming you guys might get your team might get benefited by somebody local eventually during the season uh

with this NIL stuff, if you're a smart local business, it brands you guys behind that, but it's good to be like an Iowa wrestler, even though it's not the best, wrestling's not the best sport to be in, but being in your guys' shoes, like, you guys can capitalize a little bit more

than I feel like a lot of those other schools out there. Yeah, I mean, it's super awesome. I mean, that's what's really cool about, like the, like the, you know, the city, the fan base. Like, you know, we had an awesome, you know, Dan Gable era kind of, like, grew that,

that image of us. And that's why we average the amount of fans at a wrestling match. I mean, when I first went to an eye wrestling match, She blew my mind, you know. When you think I think wrestling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, which, you know, we,

at least, you know, we're trying, you know. You guys are doing well. Yeah, we're like number five in the country right now, right? Yeah, you guys are doing well. Yeah, I can hear the malice in his voice, but it's okay. You guys are doing well. Yeah, yeah, it's a good Oklahoma close game, you know, but, uh... Hey, we battled our asses off.

Hey, it was a great game, actually. You know, I don't watch a lot of football all the time, but... We miss a couple field goals. We make those. goes on an extra point, we win the game. Yeah, which it would have been a big upset. It would have been awesome for you guys. Just do the woodish of coulda.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just play that game with them. We don't get all those penalties. Well, I mean, I think wrestling is ingrained in Iowa. Right. Like, every, like, small high school, it's like, the resters are, like, the cool kids. You know, like, I remember, like, talking to even the Iowa kids. They're, like, really cool in high school.

It's almost like they almost get, like, less cool when going into college unless they go to, like, Iowa. Yeah. Or, like, you know, our, you know, like, big schools that are doing really well. It's, like, crazy. The Iowa State Tournament for wrestling is packed. Like there's like there's like not a seat to take and they're like it's crazy. People love it.

Schools will let their entire school out for like three days. No school just to go watch our wrestling state tournament. So like it's ingrained. So like then these kids, they become wrestling fans and you know, then they go to Iowa wrestling duels. And then everyone's watching. It's like a family event. People go there. It's way of life.

Yeah. So I think it's so when you're an aisle wrestler with NIL and stuff is, you know, I think there's an opportunity. that might come just because you are right so I think that's super awesome and not to mention you guys don't get now unless it's changed since I was playing but you guys don't get full rides either

wrestling or does wrestling get full rides? Oh you get 9.9 scholarships correct for some guys might be a full ride right you might be a full ride guy right there's 36 spots in a roster so that's hard to get a full ride yeah some guys get divvied up it's not not NFL it's not like college football yeah or college basketball

college volleyball even yeah yeah you get full rides it's kind of like baseball where you get a certain amount of scholarships. There's a lot of parcels that go around. So if you're, you can still benefit from that way. Like, are you, you a full scholarly guy now?

I mean, I have, I have a scholarship. I do have a scholarship, so. Okay. All right. Okay. That's good answer. I do have a scholarship.

But say, like, the hypothetical is that Spencer Lee does not have a full right scholarship. You're able to benefit off of rules like this, whether or not, we know you're not. not focus on it, but you're able to benefit to help you offset those costs that you're paying to go to school.

Well, I think I saw, like, an article about, like, Ivy League schools because they don't get scholarships. I saw that they're trying to use NIL as, like, an opportunity where they can kind of make up that gap from other schools for, like, recruiting purposes even. So I think that's, like, a really good way of putting it, like, just like that. Because, like, even could help, like, us with recruiting, too. Like, let's say we got a guy who's, like, a full ride guy and we got to get him, but, like, we only have a 50%.

maybe there's a way we can we university cannot help correct they get their money but I'm saying like if he's able to perform he can maybe maybe make up that gap of correct that and then he's able to like not have debt in college which I think is like obviously you never want to be in debt so like I think it's it's the thought of going like oh all these athletes want to make money yeah versus like no they're not making money they're closing the gap on the expenses of their paying to go to school when they don't get full rides like a sport like wrestling do you have any uh

interest in doing anything else outside of wrestling, like MMA, um, w-W-W-E? I was, like, got a joke because, like, Gable Stevenson, he, uh, he got signed at at WWE. I was always joking. I was always going to be like, like, you ever need a buddy, you know, hit me up, you know, but, uh, I never actually, like, meant that, like, for real.

Would you? At WWE, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Do they really want a 5-foot 3, 130-pound man in WWE, you know? Maybe one thing. Everyone goes, everyone goes, Ray Mysterio, you know, he's like 5-6, you know, I'm 5-3. You know how much smaller I am than him?

You know, I'm like 50 pounds lighter than him, but I'm three inches shorter. I'm just saying. Yeah, he hasn't been a world chance. He's 14 years old. Everyone knows his name. Everyone knows your brave mysterious. That's all we got to do is work on your mic skills. You're a martial athlete.

Now you're bustling the boys. Yeah, there we go. And I think I was, that's not happening. Imagine me looking like a little roided up and freaking leopard on everything. You know, but a, um, I always think I was born to be a fighter. Um, combat sports have always been really good at like body awareness and like movement. And so I think, I mean, MMA could be in my future, but I've never like thought of it. I never wanted to be a guy who got punched in a face for living.

But, you know, if it's an opportunity that ever comes to rise and it's something that I feel is best for me, then like, I would fight. I, I just don't think it's something you should, you know, be like, oh, I might fight, you know. That's not, it's a fight game. That's not something you kind of like, you know, joke around about it. You got to be all in an obsessus. Exactly. You got to want to, like, you know, you got to know you got to know you're going to get hurt. You're going to get hit.

You know, it's not something you're just going to go out there and just murder everyone, you know, unless you're like, you know, like a Habib or something. But he's, he's a different breed, you know. But have you dabbled with MMA at all, like in any of your offseason stuff? Well, my parents did judo. So, like, there's some grappling in judo, kind of like jujitsu on the mat with judo. So, like, I know how to defend myself, but I never really, I don't know how to strike. I don't know any of that stuff. So if I ever did it, it would be like, the only thing I'd be proficient in.

We obviously be wrestling as, like, a martial art. Shoot, we got Michael Chandler, bro. We could just hit up Mike. Yeah, he was a wrestler. Yeah, yeah, so. Yeah. Speaking of, what was his name? The one who went to WWE?

Gable. Yeah. Yeah. Is he also a college athlete while. Yeah. Yeah, he's going to wrestle in college this season and then go WWW after, I think. So he's not doing anything, WWE now or in season? I think they're going to just use his name as.

likeness and he's going to, you know, I think he's only going to do home matches for him. And actually, I think he said the only away match he might wrestle would be Iowa, which is awesome. But then, yeah, so I think whatever they need to use him for for that. I mean, he might do like appearances and stuff at events, but he ultimately, his goal will obviously be a national champion again and then he's going to go into WWE and try and be a superstar. That's pretty sick. Yeah, it's awesome. It's really good for our sport.

I mean, if he keeps winning, it's good for us. I mean, good for him, of course. But, like, it's good for us. That's my main goal is to have wrestling grow to be a bigger sport. I mean, it'll never be a, you know, a big sport like football or basketball. Just because the rules and it's, you know, what it is as it is, you know. That's why M. Why don't you think it could be as big as, like, a football or basketball?

So if I grabbed one of you guys and made you watch my match and took the scoreboard off, could you score it? No. Now, if I, if I grabbed. Sorry, I'm slow. Say that again? So if I... If you grabbed one of them? And I made them watch a match of wrestling.

Oh, got you. I was thinking physically. No, and I took... And I took the scoreboard off, could he score it? No. Well, if I pull you into a MMA mat fight and you've never watched MMA before, could you understand what's going on? Yeah, one guy's getting punched in the face and the other guy's getting punched in the face

and if a guy taps or gets knocked out who wins, right? That's why it's so popular. It's a sport where anyone wants football. I mean, obviously these sports are way, way more complicated. Like, obviously football isn't just you throw a ball, catch a ball, run a ball, running, but like if you, it's obvious the ball wants to go to an end zone. The ball wants to go in a hoop, right? You'll hit a baseball out of the field.

Wrestling, it's like, okay, his hand didn't touch the mat. So that's not a takedown. That's not points. He turned away. There's no points and he got away. You have to actually know the sport. So I think the, unless they, like, simplify the rules maybe in wrestling, which will be hard for wrestlers because there are rules like that for reason for wrestlers.

We understand. But like for a fan, it's really hard. That's why freestyle wrestling isn't popular because it's different things. college, so you get into college, then you watch freestyle and it's like, what's, what's going on here, right? So I think that's the biggest thing for wrestling. Do you feel like the NCAA will ever go to like just freestyles since that's the Olympic sport? I wish they did. But I think it'd be impossible because in freestyle, you're allowed to slam a guy as far as you can on their head and there's no penalty. You get rewarded for that and folk style, you get disqualified for that.

I think that'd make it more popular. It would definitely make it more popular. But I think the way, you know, are kind of like the sport is in America and how people are, I mean, imagine having a little kid go out for wrestling and he just gets suplexed on his head. That's true. Yeah, yeah. I'll have not, you know, because like, imagine you're wrestling a kid who's been wrestling for four years

and he's, he's like, he knows about it. He's pretty good and a new kid comes out and he has no he's doing, gets, you know, doc, suplexed right on his head, what's a mom? I'm going to think, oh, my son, right? So it's like, that's kind of why I think Fostal kind of developed. I don't actually know why, but that's my theory. I think that they wanted rules that were

safer and, you know, easier to, like, watch and anyone can do rather than, like, you know, you pretty much could break a guy in half, you know. I don't know shit, but I feel like that's a good theory. I do. I feel like that seems like he's thought about that. Yeah, I thought, I mean, I've tried to, I want to grow the sport. What would be, what rule would you change in folk style to make it easier to watch? What's something that you would be like, I would change this rule if this was the first one.

Maybe a push out rule was kind of the big thing everyone wants. It's like, you push a guy out of bounds, you get a point. That's a rule in freestyle. So like if your foot goes out of bounds first, that's a point. And folks out a lot of times, guys, the rule is if there's any point of your body in bounds, that you can continue to wrestle. So if I just had my finger in and we're just out of bounds, you can keep wrestling. Right.

The ref will only blow it out when both bodies have left the mat. I think that's really complicated. There are rules like, you know, if you're on your back, you know, stuff like that. And freestyle, if your back exposes, points are scored. And folksile, you have to hold them. So it's just, there's like little differences like that. But I think a push out rule is pretty simple. You can understand that, like, if I push you,

off the mat, I get a point, right? Yeah. What else? I mean, wrestling in the old, like, way BC, when it was, like, one of the first sports, I mean, I think the rules then were, like, you had to make a guy tap, like, quit. You say BC? I'm talking before Christ right now. I'm talking, like, like, oldest sport, like, wrestling. I think wrestling, because wrestling was, like, super popular in Coliseum and stuff.

Yeah. People would wrestle and people would fill up stadiums for wrestling, which, you know, and I think the rules then were either, it was either, like, three states and, takedowns, which means you just had to, like, take them down to the ground, or it was, like, you had to make someone, like, tap or, like, quit. So, like, you'd, like, impose your will on someone. And I don't know if that would make it more popular, but I was like kind of thinking, like, what made it so popular back then?

And, like, those are very simple rules, right? Right, right, right. You can understand that. You want to go Old Testament on it. Yeah, I mean, you could, I mean, whatever, I mean, I'm not saying that, but, like, I'm saying, like, it was obviously, I mean, different errors, of course, but, like, if it's simple. If it's, yeah, if it's, one guy has beat another guy.

I mean, when it comes to rules, I mean, I take advantage of the rules today. Like, I score a lot of points in, like, turning people in my wrestling, and that wouldn't really do anything in the rules I'm saying. So it wouldn't benefit me at all. It would actually hinder me, to be honest, because I score a lot of points really fast because of the way the rules are. And if it was just, like, impose your will on someone who's tougher, like that would be different, you know, so, I don't know.

That's solid. Yeah. I like the push out, Roy. I should listen to that. Yeah, well, they've been talking about it for. Right. As of now. Yeah, it sucks.

Like, you know, saying the legend, all that stuff. Like, I know you got to go to win the Natty this year. Like, I know that's your goal. I know what's your goal. Not to, like, downplay or anything else. I clearly hope you do. And we can wear our Spencer Lee shirts. Yeah, there we go.

When it happens. Appreciate it. You guys have any questions for him? As of right now, like, the lifespan of wrestling is shorter. Yeah. I don't know. That's what I mean. I could do a lot of things.

I mean, I could go into coaching. Maybe coached Iowa was, like, it was always, like, the path that I was kind of on. I mean, I could fight. I could do entertainment like WWV if I was ever, if anyone was ever interested, I mean, if that was something I really thought about, you know,

I always wanted to be like an athletic director of a Division I school, you know, so I could, I mean, I had a lot of school for, like, yeah, yeah,

so I always had different, you know, a lot of different paths I could do. I mean, never really know what's going to happen with life, right, kind of hits you differently. I mean,

I'm super young, obviously, so, yeah, a lot of stuff I could do. So you are young, 22 years old. Yeah,

22 is young, right? I mean, like you, you like you three two yeah so yeah were you about to try to go with a joke there were you about to go with that old joke that was that i don't know that was the joke when you're not uh full steam ahead with wrestling what are some other things you enjoy doing like other sports maybe hobbies what are your other interests um i love i love archery um i'm actually carving my own bow out of like you know it's that black locust wood

with my buddy um his name sam kut he loves this podcast he'd be pretty pumped i said that Who is it? Who is it? Sam, Sam Coates. So. Sam Coats? Yeah.

Yes. Hey, Sam Coat, shout out to you, Big Dog. Tier 1, baby. Yeah, he's an easy. So he helped to carve my bow,

um, and which is awesome. So I love like, I don't do like compound or I don't really hunt. I love target shooting. Um, I love video games. Um,

me and my buddies built our PCs. So we, we all play video games together. Um, so. What video game? Uh, I play,

I play a, I play a league of Legends, which is pretty, pretty nerdy game. but they play like Fortnite and Warzone and all the apex legends. You say black lotus wood? Black locust, yeah. Black locust wood.

Yeah, yeah. It's too man. Have you dabbled into the Twitch world then? Like you ever thought about TV? I mean, I did it for like a little bit after COVID happened two years ago just because I was so bored. Like we couldn't even, like, we weren't even allowed to train in Carver because of COVID. So we couldn't even like, like, the only thing you could do is run.

You know, it can only run so much. And so. Good thing you love running. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would run. I mean, I run like five miles a day. But, like, at some point, some point, like, you're, you know, I got bad knees somewhat. So it's like, it's like, so I was like, I can't do that anymore.

So I started, I streamed a little bit. It was fun. I mean, it's just, it's different. It's not like, it's a, it's a full-time job if you actually wanted to do it. So it's something hard, you know. Pin will, no. What do you got to give him credit? I got to give him credit.

He was a wrestler. I appreciate that. You know? He's a wrestler. He's big. He's strong. He's, you know, he's tough. He's not going to, you know.

No, I wouldn't say that, but. A lot of stoicism comes with being 32. Getting married, I mean. Yeah. Are you into stoicism? I just start trying to like, I think he'd fuck with stoicism. I'll put you on a book after we got this book.

Yeah, all right. Well, I love reading. So, yeah. Do you like reading? Yeah, I love reading. I'm trying to get better at reading. Yeah, just, I mean. It's a grind.

You get better and read? You get better? Read more often. Thank you. Both. Hey, both. He's doing both. He's getting better while doing it more often.

There we go. Two birds of what stone? Or read more often. Yeah, me read more often. I appreciate you coming on, man. Yeah, this is fun. Yeah, this is awesome. Dude, tearing ACLs, winning natties, carving black locust wood, wants to go Old Testament rules.

You just can't, you just don't make him like this dude anymore. You know what I'm saying? Well, you do, but maybe just in the wrestling world. But I appreciate you coming on, man. This has been fun. Yeah, I appreciate it. Have we not hit anything? I don't want to say your name, even though I know who you are.

Solid? We did good, too? All right. Spencey's got his chaperone here. No, but thanks, man. Go to, again, if you want to support my man, Spencer Lee, you heard us talking about 9.9 scholarships get divvied up on the wrestling rosters. If you want to get behind an athlete that is on his way,

I won't even say that. I don't want to put too much pressure on the kid. But you want to help a dude out and go buy a shirt. You can get that on store. Barstillsports.com. It's called The Excuses are for Wusses T. You buy that simple 28 bucks. You do that, but you support Spencer in doing so.

Iowa fans, I know you guys are all about the boy Spencer. Everybody else listening, you now know who Spencer Lee is. So keep your eye out. the boy because he's now representing Bussing with the boys along with being a bar still athlete but he is now one of the boys so we're about to go balls out it's going to be tough rooting for an Iowa guy but Spencer is somebody I can get behind

and I'm rooting for you bro I hope you get this fourth it's going to be sick and we're going to be screaming from the top of our lungs probably at our TVs maybe maybe we'll go maybe we'll go watch the boy that could be sick when is when are the national March 19th I think to the 21st yeah we might be I think, you know, that would be sick.

Get a little section. Oh, hey, hey, brain's going. We'll have to figure something out. But hey, good luck, man. I appreciate you for coming on. Do you have fun? All right. Awesome.

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