Bussin' With The Boys - Spring Tour: HC Scott Frost/DC Erik Chinander

Episode Date: March 15, 2022

Recorded March 11, 2022: In our final interview on the first stop of our Bussin' Spring Tour we have Nebraska legend and current head coach Scott Frost, and his defensive coordinator Erik Chinander join the boys. Start pod (0:00) Culture of Nebraska football right now (4:28 - 10:00) NIL Opportunity at Nebraska and recruiting pitches (10:06 - 21:24) Attitude of the defense and offense this spring (21:30 - 27:06) What being a blackshirt means to Will 27:54 - 36:40) Scott Frost addresses special teams & which Big 10 coaches he would beat in a fight (42:00 - 50:41) Duke Cannon Question (37:50 - End of pod) ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ----- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: Chevy: Chevy Silverado - The Strongest, Most Advanced Silverado Ever. Duke Cannon Supply Co.For more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey guys, it's us The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?

We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Your 20s can be so exciting, but they can also be really overwhelming, confusing, and honestly, just kind of lonely. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, and the psychology of your 20s is breaking down the science behind the biggest roadblocks we face. I was six years into my career, the 80-hour weeks, and just the first one in, the last one out, and I ended up burning out. There was a large chunk of my 20s that I, like, was just so wanting to, like, be out of that phase out of my skin.

and I just like really regret not living in the present more. You don't need to have everything figured out right now. You just need to understand yourself a little bit better. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to another episode of not necessarily Bustin with the boys, but the Bussons. Our first Busson Spring football tour, we have on Eric Chenander, Coach Chinns.

He's the de-coordinator for the Huskers. And obviously, your very own, Scott Frost. Let's give a hand for the coaches coming on the show. You guys too much. A little juice. Scott Barry lifts his hand. Good job. That was solid too.

Couple Chevy's. Couple Chevy guys. Lunch pale, hard workers, dependable, just like the Chevy Silverado, are presenting sponsor of this show. Do you, you want to flare up the tailgate a little bit? The multiflex tailgate was six configurations?

Well, I think you just did it, but the multiflex tailgate six configurations. Did I say that right again? You did phenomenal, bro. It's an outstanding thing. you guys probably have in your Chevy Civerado as you guys are some gentlemen and blue collar gentlemen,

but gentlemen that like the nice things. And this multiflex 6 configuration tailgate murder gives you everything you want, right? It's got the same thing. You'll use your fob, press the thing, tailgate goes down.

You might be thinking yourself, Taylor, why you tell me this bullshit right now? Every truck does that. If you know what they don't do, have a heavy day lifting, you put the stuff back in there, hit the fob again,

comes up. All right? What's it like coming up? You blew your mind right there? You didn't know that? You want to go buy another Chevy now, don't you? Yeah. Hey, wait.

Can we get him a mic? I got the trail boss, so I don't have that. You don't have the trail boss? I do have the trail boss. It doesn't have the tailgate like that. Well, we'll have to talk to show me so far about it. We'll have to get you to Sid, Dylan. I'll call Tim Peeper.

We'll make, you know, he should be taking very good care of you. All right. I busted my ass for that, dude. For years. I need the busing with the boys trailer hitch cover. We got you. We got you. But appreciate you guys for coming on the show.

That's big time. Actually, it really is big time. I appreciate this. This is nice. Coming to a place like this, like Nebraska. You don't know a lot about it. You've only seen it a couple times when you go to play. Got our ass beat here.

Then you come in. Will takes me some bullshit place called Indian Village. And you really hope, like, I hope you guys can tell me some places to go eat after this because I've been wanting to tell us for a while, but I want to wait for you guys. I sit there, I look at Will in the eyes. I say, hey, take me somewhere that screams Nebraska Cornhuskers.

Somewhere that I can feel like I'm a native. I'm in this place. I'm with these blue-collar people live in the dream. He says, say less. Drives me. We turn the corner. He goes, we're in an Indian village.

It doesn't register. Village in. What the fuck? Don't disrespect Village in, bro. What I say, Indian Village? That's a small little place up in Cave Creek. My better.

We go to Village Inn. He says Village in to me, and I think, oh, that sounds like a small little mom-and-pop shop. Sounds like a little deal. We turn the corner. I see the brown octagon or whatever their fucking symbol is

that sits on the side of the corner. And I'm like, there's two dozen of these things in Arizona what am I doing here I walk in it's full of oxygen tanks and walkers dude it's only old people everywhere and Will's like hey huh

look at me like hey this is about to be a hitter bro I'm so mad I'm like this is the place we sit down the lady the waitress she's sweet as pie the guys sitting behind us were assholes didn't like them one bit the food was okay at best and halfway through Will goes

oh I fucked up I should take you somewhere else I'm like, no doubt. He's not acknowledging the last we had, dude. It was a good time. We told the equipment guys where we went and they're killing Will. And obviously, you guys knew you guys walked right up here and was giving Will hell for it. Well, we'll get you set up with some good places. No question.

I need that. Some local spots, some good places to get you a little lunch, a little dinner. Where should we be going around here? How do you not know that? Well, hang on. I'm putting it in there. I'm putting it in there. Well, you know that.

No free shoutouts. We'll talk about it afterwards. Okay. I love that. I love that. Hey, did you see the postcards that they're making for recruits now. They got busts on the boys on there a little bit. Who knows how many they actually send out?

If they send out one, we've made it. Right? One of the most historic programs in all of college football sending out a postcard with our bus on it. With you in short shorts and Daisy Duke shorts and cowboy boots. That's outstanding. What are recruiting pitch? I told them all. We were going on

here today, so they all wanted us set the link. So we're going to send the link to all the recruits. You know, they want to see Coach Frost on busting with the boys. So were you excited to come back on a second time? I can't I got invited back, first of all. But I had a great time. You were here for one of the games, got to come on the bus.

What game was that, by the way? Which game was it? Was it Michigan? He knows. Was it Michigan? Yeah. Absolutely dominant performance. What did you think about the atmosphere, Taylor?

Oh, I, when I played here? Though, at the game, you were at. Oh, you didn't come right now. He was actually playing in the NFL. Okay. Yeah. No, but I will say about the atmosphere is it's insane. It's crazy to me because when you come to Nebraska,

Nebraska, it's, Nebraska is Nebraska and you go into the stadium and it's so loud, it's obnoxious, and everyone's screaming at you. But as soon as the game's over, all the fans are like, hey, great job. It's like a nice old firm pat in the ass as they send you in your way. That's a great deal. It really is. When we first got here, everybody was like, wait until you come out on game day and I'm like, I'm like, listen, I've been, you know, SEC stadiums, PAC 12, NFL stadiums, don't worry about it.

Yeah. We came out for the spring game and I was like, oh my God. Yeah. I mean, these fans are the best in the game. country hands down it's it's a crazy atmosphere and that night will you were there that michigan game was out of control dude it was man and it was such bullshit that they didn't blow the damn whistle when a day that's it that's you know i won't put you guys on the spot but wouldn't you agree we just we just need to not humble first of all but no it was i got so much respect for them and i

was happy to see them in the playoff and you know that that's that was kind of the story of our year we were so against a playoff team we had every chance to win win the game at the end of the game. But to your point, between the third and fourth quarter, they started playing music and the lights shut off and the red started going around the stadium. And we were ahead at the time. And it may be, we even had one of the Michigan coaches tell us on the road it was the best environment they played in all year. So a lot of respect for them. And that was a heck of a game. To be fair to you guys, you're the best three and nine team of all time. If you guys would have played Georgia instead of Michigan playing Georgia, you guys would have

lost my floor. It's so funny. Tell me the coaches, tell the actual. coaches that. But legit like, you guys have one game you lost by more than seven? It's kind of like being the prettiest third in the toilet. No question. Yeah, I get it. But if he said, but. Listen, you're not talking to me anymore. I know, like, it's tough. You know, I'll

start to realize you're having fun. Yeah. And then he starts telling like, oh, these are their actual jobs. Like, you're trying. But if you get, okay, okay, backpedaling. Nebraska, three and nine. I know it's tough. We're going to get passes in a second. How do you guys change where Nebraska is back to the 97, the being mentioned with the top four teams? It's been a process, you know, and I don't like to talk about what happened here before,

but Nebraska was always one of the elite programs in the country. That's not where we found it when we came back. And it's been a process to try to build it back, you know, and that's culture, that's talent, that's a hundred things. And we had a good enough team last year to win every game we played. We didn't. And that's on all of us to do a little bit. bit better. But the progress is undeniable. And I think everybody that watched us last year can see

how close we are to being a good team. And now it's up to us to put the little missing pieces and ingredients in to make sure it gets there. What have you seen in a spring practice this year compared to last year that's maybe shown that promise that you're looking forward to? There's so much enthusiasm excitement around this right now. And a lot of it is because, you know, there's a chip on our shoulders because of how it all went last year. Um, the guys that are back know we were good enough to win those games. And so there's a real motivation there. We've also added some new coaches and new players.

You guys sat with Casey and there's been just kind of an energizing movement from those guys. It's really kind of invigorated all of us just to have new faces around here. And the guys are hungry. So the effort is awesome on the field. And we still got a long way to go, but we're seeing a lot of good things. being Scott Frost in Nebraska And it's such an easy Ask and question to say

You know what's it going to take To get back to the 90s and this this and that Do you fucking hate that question by now? No This is a great show to be honest on too Like we have a little fun I mean that's my job is to do that And so that's what I think about all day long anyway

So if somebody asked me they're just catching me mid thought You know Yeah But you know This place wasn't what it was. Once Coach Solich left, frankly, Coach Polini did an awesome job, and he doesn't get the credit he deserves.

But, you know, it's been on a downslide for a while. You know, every great program in the country has gone through a downturn. And it's just hard to recapture. If you never lose it, it's a lot easier. It's like getting out of shape when you're old. Like, if you never stop working out, you're fine. But Coach Frost got hurt, squatting. Yeah, I hurt myself squatting.

That's a tough deal. So it's the downhill for you. So it's like what you're fighting back. You're fighting back? I'm fighting back. God. You know, but this has been a process and I think about it all the time. You know, for us to be elite again, NIL's really got to take shape in Nebraska.

We got to be able to recruit a little better. You got to catch momentum where you have a good year and then you recruit better and have another good year. This is as good at College Town as there is in the country. We have the best fan base in the country, like he said. We have all the resources. It's just a matter getting the wind in our sales again. And it's not going to be a giant leap. It's going to be a steady climb.

Coach Chin's like when he talks about finding the advantages in like recruiting, whether it be NIL, like because being a player here, you know, the stick is always when you're in those recruiting meetings, right? Like if we can get the player here and they see the facilities, you guys are obviously building what is it, a $200 million facility out there? Yep. Like what are the areas that you want to really dive into? It seems like it's going to, it's facilities and NIL.

Yeah, I think those are two of the, you know, major stick. points, but it's also the people at Nebraska. And like Coach Frost said, the resources from nutrition to strength conditioning, to academic support, to life skills, as you know as a player here. NIL is going to be huge for us. The new facility is going to be huge. And then, you know, it's as you've seen as the team's grown, like Coach Frost talked about, it's, you know, really taking care of that 500-mile radius, getting those players here, starting with that base, and then adding some really good players from across the country. We've always been a national recruiting brands from back when coaches talking about the 90s to all the way until now.

So it's really starting with those local guys. I would consider all that 500-mile area, that local guys, and then getting some pieces from across the country. And we want to target the best ones in the country that we can right now, especially with those things you mentioned. How long until that new facility is all done? I think next summer. So we'll go through this entire the year and spring ball next year and move in before

the 23 season. are sharing those renditions with the new recruits and everything like that? Oh yeah, they see them. And very soon we'll be able to walk them through it with hard hats on and explain where they're going to be living for the next four years. Yeah, that's outstanding. The facilities here are pretty unbelievable. I love the weight room, the locker room.

It seems like a really close-knit group, like family. The equipment guys get along with the guys who are the trainers. And it just seems like everyone's kind of like put together around here. Everyone cares and is all pushing the cart towards the same direction. That's why Will mentioned it. But when we get kids on campus, and they come see it, we got a great chance to get them. Yeah.

And part of that is honestly, just people's impression versus the reality of what Lincoln, Nebraska's like. We get kids from Florida that think they think they're going to come up and there's a stadium in the middle of a cornfield somewhere. That's right. And I see Lincoln and those kids sit on my couch and say, man, coach, this is awesome. I didn't know it was anything like this. Right. But we're also far away from a lot of those recruiting pockets. So when we get kids to Lincoln, we got a great shot.

Yeah. So what's that process like trying to get these kids? Like, you have your eye on somebody who's in. Florida. Pahokee Florida. How do you pitch them to come to Pahoky Florida's little spot now? The muck. The muck. But yeah, that place is wild. But how do you get someone like from that area to come here? You know, like what, how would you sell them on that? Because me, my first thought, just lie to them. Come whatever they want to hear, right? I mean, if I was a coach, I'm lying through my teeth. It's funny. When I sit down with kids,

one of the first thing I tell them is get your BS detector out because you have to be able to tell the difference between the people that are telling you the truth and just telling you what you want to hear to get you to their school. Right. Because if somebody says, hey, you'll play for us. And then another coach says, hey, you got to earn your spot to play. Like, based on that kid's personality, he's going to pick one way or the other. At the end of the day, you want the kid that's going to come

that says you have to earn it. Because if a kid wants to come to your school just because you lie to them and tell them they're going to start early, probably not the right kid to have in your program. Yeah, that's true, but there's also those kids that just are. I mean, you heard Casey's talking about he went in that train. report a little after his freshman year because he thought he was going to be the man. Yeah.

He's probably told that he was going to start or something like that at Texas. Yeah, probably something like that. You want a bunch of... But you also have those kids that, like, I don't want to put a name out there that's like a guy with all the talent in the world doesn't matter. He's just going to be good no matter what. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Like, guys are crazy talent and that don't work very hard, but they're still going to be like first round picks. Right. I'm thinking of a couple guys. I don't think of them whatever. I don't want to soil the guys out there. Yeah. I'm thinking of a couple.

I think that's really. why you have to get them here though. Yeah. We have to do a good job and get them here. And like you said, the same thing, people, the same thing with the state of Nebraska, right, where you played in Michigan, there's Michigan, Michigan State, Detroit Lions, right?

There's NIL money going three separate entities. There's fans going three separate ways. And in this state, it bleeds Husker. That's it. And so you got a lot of, a lot of resources, a lot of everything pouring into this program, and it's unbelievable to be part of it. That's definitely a way for you guys to become, like,

one of the household names in college football again is them at the NIL. I mean, you guys have said it a bunch already, but like... And Casey was, you know, Casey and Garrett were both alluding to it. Yeah, like you have the best NIL programs. I don't matter what the landscape looks like. If you're making that kind of money, like, that's gonna... Yeah. That's gonna sell for sure.

Because I remember being, like, I was telling you guys before we started the pod, like, I didn't grow up with a lot of money. Like, the thought of, like, making six figures in college, it's my... Where would that money have gone? one year. Yeah, I would love to know. Here we go. Now we're going.

Oh, yeah. There have been a lot of party going involved. My nose is a bit of a vacuum in college. It was, it probably would have got a lot of the wrong places, to be totally honest with you. I would not have been a guy you would have liked to have around too much in college. I would have worked hard, though.

I tell you what. I would have loved you in practice, I promise. Oh, no question. At Oregon, at Oregon, we would have slayed it together. We had an absolutely great time. We had an absolutely great time.

We'd have parted hard. Come in. Yeah, I stink a little bit like alcohol. But we're going the entire. practice. Don't you worry. That's right. I don't got the salt like that anymore.

I can't be drinking all the time. How do you guys manage that? Obviously, we're in like, what is it, like year or two, the whole NIL stuff. When you got kids coming in there getting all these NIL deals and everything else, like how do you kind of, I guess, mentor, monitor, you know, keep guys focused. Yeah, keep the main thing, the main thing and kind of, I guess, navigate with them, like, through this NIL landscape. The great thing, the state law in Nebraska is we can't, as employees, you know,

University of Nebraska, we can't have anything to do with NIO. And honestly, that's the best thing for us, because I don't want two guys complaining to me that he's getting this and I'm not getting this. Yeah, that'd be brief. So it's run by another company in Lincoln, and that's the way it needs to say. You're talking about open doors? No, well, they do a lot for us, and they've been awesome. That's Nebraska guys that started that deal.

Oh, yeah, Blake and Audie. Shout out the boys. Absolutely. They're awesome. We have another company that helps our place. really football players basketball players women's basketball volleyball are all taking advantage of it we have uh over 80 kids in just in football that have taken advantage of it men's basketball volleyball uh there's a lot going on like that but having it in somewhere else you know i don't want to have

to deal with that on a day to day to bay basis we just want to coach football right right but knowing that that stuff goes on i'm not talking about you distributing anything or being involved in it but knowing like kids are going through that shit now and where it's not like you're not coming to school just to be a student athlete anymore. You have this component of money and knowing that guys are coming in. Business student. Yeah, whether it's more ego or not, like managing these players to stay focused on the task at hand and why they came to school here or why they came to school to play football first.

There are a thousand more distractions than when I played, several hundred more even than when you played with everything going on and social media and all these opportunities for kids. And that's why we have to be select and make sure we're getting the right kids that are here for the right reasons. And if they're getting all that on top of it, great. But the first thing needs to say the first thing, and that's education and making yourself great on and off the field.

And we've got to look for those type of guys and guys that aren't just here for the wrong reasons. Yeah. See, I don't know if... I don't know. For me, it's like if you could sell the idea of the NFL dream to all these kids is what they're all trying to do, that's like the best thing, like the whole academic part, you know.

right you're a student athlete that's what I'm saying you're a you're a student first athlete second that's what I'm saying I think that's the move right when you're trying to get guys but hey listen obviously we have different did you graduate what's that Taylor did you graduate unfortunately I did good for you no

oh you said unfortunately you did yeah I haven't used my degree once in eight years what was your degree general studies was a jack of all trades master of none but I've fallen into this business yeah I think I wish I would have

took college more seriously when I was at Michigan. Like I was all football all the time. But at the same time, like I feel like there should be, with all this new advancement and stuff that's going on, like people be more progressive, like NIL, you can pay guys now. There needs to be more of a focus on like financial literacy and teaching these guys, like how to run a business and how to like understand what you, what your possibility of making the NFL is.

Everyone always plays like that, oh, it's less than 1% of guys that are in college, but like if you got a chance if that's your dream like why not help these kids be the most prepared for that and then have like some sort of setup where you can always come back and your school's and be paid for no matter what

but you can focus full time on football and it's like it's a total pipe dream it's totally out there but it's a thought yeah I mean it's tough because not a lot of guy like there's not it's so rare for a lot of guys to say like I haven't used my degree in eight years you know what I mean like you're like no I'm super I'm super lucky you're a pro yeah you're a good fucking player right

Not everybody gets to, like, have longer careers. I feel like the majority still kind of, like, would need to use their degree, right? I think that's one of the great people. Of course, right. What you got to Scott? The only ones that graduate from college and aren't using their degree are either stupid or their inmates or drug addict, I think, unless they're... Or pro bowl player.

Or pro bowl player. I said... I definitely won that category, dude. And then I say, you still got to use your degree. right? I think coach does a great job with it though. I've been in some of the closing meetings at the end of recruiting visits with him. And I know one thing that's important to him is making sure these guys have a plan for life after

football, whether that happens like you, 10 years down the road, 15 years down the road, or after your last snap in Lincoln. And so, you know, Keith Zimmer life skills, they do a great job starting the financial literacy with these young guys and then also bridging that gap between the end of their education and when they start their civilian life. So I think that Nebraska does a really good job with that piece of it. And even like life skills, you mentioned Keith and stuff, but like you, you've coached in the league.

Like you have life skills that players want to, like, look to for either mentorship or anything else because you have an idea what it's like to coach guys in the league. Like how do you use that mentality in your experience to develop players or have or communicate with them or lead them? I think you try to use it from the time their freshman until the time they're seniors. You know when you're in, we're in unit meetings, we show a lot of NFL film, right? Because guys don't want to watch other college guys.

They want to watch Sunday League, right? They want to watch that stuff. And also, they want to know how do I get there. Well, I'm going to tell you how to get there. And you might not want to hear the answer. You know, it might be you've got to study film differently or more. You've got to take care of your body. You got to eat better.

You have to practice a different way. You might have to play special teams, even though you're a starter. you know, things like that. And so I think having the experience in that league, those kids understand that we're not filling full bunch of bullshit. We're telling the truth. And getting guys like you to come back

and talk to the guys a little bit and having other resources come in to tell them. It's not what you see on television. It's not hard knocks, right? It is hard knocks. But it's a different deal. It's a 365-day process and it's not just about what happens

two hours down there. Yeah. With last year and the way the progress that the defense made, I know you guys lost some pieces. Like I want to say what I was reading is you speaking on the continuity of the defense and carrying it over to the next year. Like what are some jumps you've seen the defense make in Springball? I think, you know, outside the schematics in the film, it's the leadership.

I know you guys talk to Garrett Nelson a little bit. And there's other leaders that are really developing some of those guys that you saw last year that were really good players that may not have been the old guys. Those guys are developing to some really good leaders, which I'm really happy about. And then we've been able to tweak the schemes a little bit. You never want to start over. You know, you want to keep as much same as same as you can. But we've been able to tweak a few things and make some improvements on maybe where we were

deficient a little bit last year schematically wise. And now we just got to plug some new players. As far as Garrett Nelson goes, he makes you want to run through a wall. He does. His like the kid bleeds Nebraska. Like he loves everything about it. Like what's his leadership done for you guys going into this next year? Because he's got,

he was confused at how many years he has left. But I'm assuming it's one or two. I mean, I think he might be able to have three after COVID, but I'm not, I'm not sure. No, he don't know if the kids are some breaking news thing right there.

But he's, he literally, he bleeds it. Like he was explaining to me what it's like to get a black shirt, that process and everything like that. Like what other other guys like, him on that defense that exemplify that type of leadership? It's funny.

He didn't know how many years he had left because he's a general study major. Is he? Yeah, there you go. It's all starting to add up. They're not a problem. Did he general? They still? That's awesome.

You know how it is. Now, we're seeing some definite growth. You know, the two inside backers were really good players for us. Luke Reimer and Nick Henry. Oh, yeah, he was a little stud. Tackling machine. Yep. And then, you know, Ty Robinson, another defensive lineman from Arizona.

Love that. You know, he's, he played a lot of good football for us. last year as a young guy and he stepped up his leadership game. And then in the back end, you know, returning Quentin Newsom and Miles Farmer, those guys have got some leadership in that back end too. So all those guys, it's been nice to see them step up and with us plugging new guys in. Yeah. From an offensive side of the ball like Casey watching, what was Hernandez?

Martinez. Yeah. Martinez last year and Casey this year. How are the two different? How are they similar? And what do you look forward to with Casey? Yeah, we spent four years with Adrian, and I love him. Just a great human being.

I think he needed a fresh start, and I think we did too by being honest. And transfer portal gives you an opportunity to do that both ways. And we hunted in the portal hard for the right guy, and Coach Whipple and I both agreed on him. And he's been a great leader since he's been here. And just his competitive spirit, him along with some of the other guys that are new, really kind of lifted the energy on our team, and just that drive and focus on our team.

So it's fun to watch a team that he's leading right now. Yeah. When you say that you guys both kind of wanted a fresh start, was that like talked about it all towards the end? Or was it kind of like he mentioned leaving? And you guys are like, okay, that's a good idea. You should go. No, you know, in some ways for me,

I spend so much time with these guys when somebody leaves. It's kind of like breaking up with a girlfriend. I mean, you've invested so much time and effort into somebody and trying to help them be good, and you hate to see him go. He invested so much and gave so much to this university, too, so much time and effort and playing through injury, and I got a ton of respect for him. I think at the end of the day, the decision he made was probably the right one for him,

and I think in the end of the day we'll land in a good place, too. Do you hate dealing with that portal stuff? If you got a real answer from every coach, they hate all the changes that are happening. Right, right, right, right. Because, you know, obviously you get Casey and you're, you know, like, oh, we're getting somebody over here to replace. Right, portal works for you.

But then the Hawkeyes get somebody here like, well, the portal sucks. Right, right, right. People leave, but like, yeah, what's it like messing with that portal business? It's the game now. So it doesn't matter what I think. That's the game. We've got to be the best we can at playing that game. There's a level of free agency, right?

Like, it's basically the free agency in the NFL and where's the cap number? Well, how's that stuff work? How's the NIH? Yeah, I mean, it's free agency with no cap. So it's the Wild West right now. You know, and the differences, is like, you know, in the NFL, if you guys need a, you know, another tight end, right? You guys may feel like you need somebody else, whether it's for depth or to be a starter.

You bring somebody else in. Everybody else under contract, they ain't going anywhere. Right. In college football, you bring somebody else in. Somebody else might feel jaded about it and they can just leave. Right. So it's a very, it's a very delicate balancing act. And I think coach has a lot of stuff on his plate that goes into every decision.

and it's not as easy as people think. We're just, oh, that guy's in the portal, go get him. The smart programs out there have figured it out. They know they need NIO money, and they're taking their de-coordinator's salary and cutting it in half, and then giving that, that's not a year. Hey, yeah, I did see.

Chin's got a raise. We might need to, you know, renegotiate a little bit. Yeah, get some guys here. What do you think? Are you willing to do that for Nebraska? I mean, are we live right now? Absolutely.

You put on a little spot last year. I would ask him. You probably coached for free just to get a national championship, right? There's no doubt about it. Did you cut your dick off for a national title? Nah, I don't know if I'd go that far. That's probably going a little far. That's true.

I didn't even work harder than that. Yeah, yeah. I was going to say, like, last year we were in AZ and I was busting Taylor's balls. I was like, hey, would you take a million dollar pay cut if the Titans would bring me back on the team? Like, you'd give me the money, and he's like, fuck, no. I got him, bro. I earned that. Yeah, for sure.

But Jesus, you're trying to win? Will. Did y'all win? Did y'all win? Don't make me do this. Did you all win? I told my ACL. No, no, no, this past year. Oh, no, we didn't win.

Exactly. That's a tough deal. You think we would have beat the Bengals if you... 100%. Fuck out of here. 100%. You're probably right. You know what?

You're probably right. All right, Will, I got a question for you. Yeah, you guys ask questions, man. You talked about Nellie, Garrett. talking about his black shirt, right? Yeah. I ask all the guys that come back. Usually it's in front of the guys, but this will be on video forever.

Oh, wow. I'm excited. Because I'm just going to tell you right now, the black shirts is, hands down, my favorite probably thing about college football of all time. I've been part of a lot of great teams and a lot of locker rooms and all that kind of thing, but just consistent thing. What does being a black shirt mean to you? Oh, that's a good question.

You know, a cliche answer. like everything, right? Like, when I was a player here and you earned your black shirt, you know, like, because you see the, kids, you see the energy in the guys when they get a black shirt or when you see somebody that Garrett sitting here. And he's talking about how he was emotional. His mom was emotional when she called him.

And it kind of takes you back to where all the stuff you wrote down and charted out, whether it be at 6 a.m. show up time for speed, 6.45, you're going in and lifting at 7.30. But all like the sacrifice that you poured that you think in your mind at times you're kind of being selfish because you want to go to the next level but you start to understand

when you're being a leader in front of the guys you're teaching guys defense because coaches can't be in the offices with you and you're running all these little unit meetings with each other with your teammates and you pour all of that sacrifice like into other guys and you feel it around you too

and those same guys the black shirts the starting defense that's with you. You know they're giving the same effort and the same energy every day even on days that you might not want to. and it's like the whole quote like discipline choosing what you want most or what you want now like taking like that selflessness from yourself and pouring it again into your daily disciplines and routine and giving it to your teammates and knowing it comes back to you in in a form of a black shirt right like you walk out here

and you're holding a black shirt and you know how coveted it is and everyone thinks it's so great and glamorous and it is it really is like you're stoked because you've got this prestigious type award but i think like garret embodies the emotion of garret i thought embodies it and because it reminds you of how much you put into something. So to me, I feel like that's what, that's what, like, being a black shirt meant to me, is like, you wore it, you looked around. Yeah, you feel awesome walking around in it,

but you're just like, you know, you fucking put everything on the line with your teammates in the off season, like, you know, you guys are on your golf courses and shit. We're with our strength coaches. But again, like, those dog days, man, those Fridays, the GPP, the conditioning, just all of it.

And it paying off in a form of like, yo, I fucking earn this. You said, I mean, you said it too. Everybody thinks being a black shirt so cool, which it is. You're a black shirt forever. But being a culture keeper is dirty, nasty work now. Right. That's a dirty work.

Right. And like you learn as you got older, like Coach Polini, but Coach JAPE, John Papoches, was somebody. He was our coordinator at the time. And, you know, he would talk to me at times when I'm, you're trying to figure out more that you can do in the leadership role. And like you said, the culture keeping, the policing, the players. and stuff like that. You start to learn that not everything is just barking and being vocal on the field.

Like, you start to learn how to talk to your teammates. Because, again, it's such a, I was talking about it earlier with Garrett. It's such a melting pot in a locker room, like Nebraska and everywhere all over the country. But you've got to figure out how to communicate with your teammates because everybody doesn't see things the same way. Like I'm trying to, you're trying to be a guy

that carries out a message that you guys have. But at the same time, you might hear some disgruntled bullshit that might be true in that dude's story. Right? And you're trying to find the balance between how do I get to this guy, not look like some kiss ass of the coaches. But at the same time, you're trying to carry out it like a standard, right? That's kind of one of the hardest things to do that last part, though.

Right. Is it like be a leader and also not seem like you're with the coaches. Because a lot of times in programs you can be like with the boys or with the coaches. Like there's no in between. It's like, how do you find that balance? That's consistent leadership, but not just one guy about multiple guys doing that. it was just one guy, it's easier for the small group of those losers to be like, oh, that guy's a kiss ass. Yeah.

He's doing X, Y, and Z. Absolutely. But, like, if you can get leadership, we have, like, five, six, seven, eight guys preaching the same thing, doing the same thing. It makes it easier for this to be, like, more of, like, a molded unit between coaches and players. Right. So that a lot of time, for me, especially, like, having coaches on, like, an authoritative level. Like, I never did well with authority. So I had an issue having to, like,

work through that process. and I think the black shirt thing, the way it's talked about, like right, I've been here for four hours and seen the way it's talked about, that's a really cool way to see how guys are truly invested in the process. It's just a defensive thing, correct?

Yep. Yeah. Just a defensive thing. What do we do in offense? No, just try to score points and get them back on. It's like, you feel responsibility too. It's like, you know, again,

it just, it goes into that sacrifice. Like you, you stand up in front of the team and guys talk about the black shirt way and this and that. You build a standard on day one, right? Well, day, you guys know how to it is. Day 20 in training camp isn't the same as day one. And everyone's feeling a little more sorry for themselves. Everybody's a little more banged up. The low start to show up, the low start to show up a little bit more on film where you chart them.

Maybe the grading gets a little bit easier because you start understanding it's the dog days. But it's like that standard you kind of uphold and build on day one and you need those guys or the black shirt way to carry out. hey, this is how we do it, and this is how we're going to do it year in and year out all the way around. So I got a little fired up there. That's great. That's great. How many guys are a black shirts right now? Zero.

Oh, none of them. So how do you, so once, if so, Garrett earned his his freshman year. Yep. Garrett's earned one every year. So he has to continually earn it every single year. Yep. They get it. It's not like you just keep it and then you can get taken away anytime.

When you walk out, when you walk out the door, you keep it. Yeah. Damn. But then we'll. That's a wild deal. So when do you make this. decisions on guys having black shirts? Oh, what was it?

About a week before the first game? Week before the first game. We've been actually since it was his idea, but we started bringing some of the ex-black shirts back to award the black shirts to the guys on the team now. Oh, that goes hard. That does go hard. Yeah.

So when you're going to come back and do that. Yeah, you go to come hand one out to one of the linebackers. And then there's some guys that earn it over the course of the year. And it's not all just starters. It's not all best players. It's guys. that do things the right way. Other situations where your best players aren't black shirts?

Yeah, we've had those situations. You talk to the old guys about guys getting their black shirt taken away from them because they weren't doing things right off the field or weren't being good leaders and it matters to the guys. Yeah, party and booze and that type of thing. What's it like for you guys to see? Right, that's what it was out of that great? Yeah.

What's it like for you guys to see, I guess, the black shirt standard be carried. out when it does come to fruition, right? Like maybe there's sometimes where you're like, you know, we're doing this tradition, but you might not feel it maybe in your first year. But maybe you did. Like there's things that people don't see, but when it does come together, what is it like for you to see that stuff being upheld?

Yeah, you know, I think it's always been, like Coach Frost, it's been a process, but, you know, the first couple years, you know, I think it was hard because they didn't know necessarily his way or our way or what they exactly needed to do. Now, like last year, that group, like that was like a real black shirt group. And not just because of the way they play in the field, but the way they practiced, the way they worked, the way they carried themselves. We talk about all the time, black shirt, you got to elevate yourself and everybody around you. And so those guys, I think they embodied that.

And that was really cool to watch. And, you know, it was really cool last year. We had a couple guys. We didn't go into this game one with 11. No. And so to see those other guys that were starters, you don't get to be a black shirt by default. And to see those guys that earned it the next couple weeks in

or six weeks in or whatever, that was really cool too because not only did they get better, but they saw how everybody else was working around them and they understood that my stuff's got to get up. It means something. Yeah. How was it for you? Keeping the morale high

and keeping the defense play. playing at a high level with all, obviously, we alluded to it earlier, but you know, you have a point differential of zero. But when you're losing those tight games, how are you keeping the morale up versus, because we were even texting one time talking about, you know, from a player perspective, you might feel shitty, right? A coach comes in, we got to win, we got to figure how to win this game. And you get that much harder critiquing the smaller things because you just, you feel like as a defense you didn't get it done versus highlighting the good shit, hey, guys, we're this fucking close and showing them positive stuff. Like, what,

are you doing to keep the morale high to where they played at a high level? Yeah, I think you always got to show the elite stuff and then the stuff we need to improve on. But to the kids' credit, I thought there was going to be a couple games where I was going to go stand in front of them on Sunday or Monday and I was going to be like, oh, man, we have to pull some teeth to get practice going right now. To those kids' credit, they were ready to roll. They never pointed a finger at anybody on the defense, offense, special teams. They just pointed the thumb back at themselves.

They said, what can we do, coach? How can we get better? and it was really, really cool. And I think that was because of the leadership we had in that room. Shall we? Shall we? Oh, is it time? Duke Cannon.

Duke Cannon. DuCanon. Where is the Duke? We say final question. We end up asking more and just bantering even longer. But at some point we do a, we do a Duke Cannon. These questions are brought to you by Duke Cannon. The best, this is no clown shit.

We're talking big-ass brick of soap. It's huge. We're talking thick, high. I have. had it earlier. Viscosity. The high viscosity, body wash. We're talking dry ice that Taylor likes to put on his feet. It's a cooling anti-perspirate. I have an only

fan's account that I like to put this on. It gives it a shimmer and those guys that pay top dollar to see these toes. I mean, have you used this one right here? Yeah. Oh, bro. Does this smell like Bush beer? Bro, you're talking of Bush, bourbon. Yeah, like this is going to be your guys. This is what it comes

in. That's awesome. This military looking like it's for the masculine energy. It's an ammo can. The best smell. Yeah. There we go. Not for clowns. Yeah, they had a tough time.

You guys are going to get these, but it's all presented by Duke Cannon. DuCannon. It's phenomenal, by the way. It really is. Clean ingredients, too. Not the, it rhymes with. Oshmice. Not like the bullshit ingredients down there.

You don't get that. There's lymph nodes in there, right? So stuff in, aluminum, that type of stuff. End up with a deep seaword, and you don't want the seaword. So this stuff help keep you clean, smelling fresh, looking fresh. and being fresh your entire life. That was great, dude. That was a great job.

Thanks, man. Hey, if I've been doing a better job of pulling my mic? You've been doing a great job. Thanks, JPM. I appreciate that. Hey, by the way, this is a really cool to talk to you guys. Because for me, like, going through college and stuff like that and, like, being around coaches, and then having the chance to talk to you guys, like, we're talking to you right now.

Don't know why. It's just super rad to me. Really enjoy it, so I appreciate it. That's it. How does that make you guys feel? Yeah, does that... How do you guys like talking with us and being on... I was being open about my emotions.

First of all, you guys got the best job in the country. I mean, this is what you do? I mean, this is booming. This is fun. You know, I think the world of you, because not just because how well you played here, but your attitude and everything that you brought to Nebraska. And I think that's why people everywhere love you,

but Nebraska fans, there's a special place for you. And I told you that I've been watching you since Marcus Mariotta was my quarterback at Oregon and played behind him. and I've been a fan of his watching every Titans game through that time. You see him get in the face of Richard Sherman that one time. If I was his coach, I'd get mad at some of the penalties sometimes. But you also want guys to play that way. That nasty.

It's a double-edged sword. It's the price of doing business sometimes. But I appreciate that. No, dude. I do. I didn't want to interrupt you. If you want to say nice things. Yeah, trust me.

If you want to say nice, we're not going to interrupt. I'm fired up to be on here. I mean, last time I was a little bit jealous. I got to tell you, I mean, I thought we were boys. You know that was a buttoned-up situation there. The old guilt trip. I like it. Give it to him, dude.

Give it to them. I mean, it's cool. It's cool. You had the big weeks on. You know, you got the AD, the head coach. It's fine.

We're just trying to get clicks, dude. That's really all we don't care about on. Clickbait. Yeah, 100%. Scott Frost's clickbait. There's no doubt. Yeah.

You know, last time he's like, I'm surprised I got to come back on. Do you have some, Garrett? Oh, I'll, yeah, yeah, we'll get to. I'll do it. I'll do it. Final segment versus question.

Yeah. No, no, no, no. Yeah, I wasn't. I'll ask the question. I think it'll get some click-dil-dil Scott. No, you're asking, like, you were like, I'm surprised you want me to come on a second time. It's like the first time, dude, you're playing a game the next day. And me personally, I'm like, you don't want to, you're not trying to fucking catch nobody and nothing.

And here at Springball, like, you can let your hair down a little bit. And chins, you know, obviously I would have loved your head. Put some Duke's on, rub it on your feet. Yeah, put some Duke's cannon on, rub it on your feet. But you can't pass up, Shrip. Get that thick body washed you. You can't. You can.

And I had it for like 20 minutes. It was tough. I was in there. I'm fired up. A lot of my friends and family watch you guys listen, podcast. They're so fired. I'm getting texted. Like,

you're going to be on the bus? You're going to be on the bus. I'm fired up, man. You just put fuck you. Everybody thinks, everybody thinks I'm like a big deal right now. You're one of the boys. Yeah.

You're in a very prestigious group. This is like the black shirt of life. I like that, dude. You're like, come on this bus. Like you officially got something you take with you for wherever you go for the wherever you go for the rest of your life. Yeah. That's a big fucking deal.

we should get people black shirts, we should get people black shirts, dude. I'm really fucking with that idea. You can only get it if you've been a guest. Damn, that was sick. Hey, your question, though, you said you had it. Yeah, so obviously the record last year isn't what you guys wanted.

And Scott, this is particularly for you. You guys made some changes that's the special teams category. If your special teams was better, how many games do you guys think you would have probably won? At least two more. At least two more. Oh, come on, dude. We're going to a bowl game.

In two, there was one special teams play that if it changed, the game probably would have changed. And it hints on that. And I'm not talking about games where we gave up a kick return and we missed a bunch of PATs and field goals. Well, if you have a kick return in one game and you're not going to mention that, that's almost not fair because you guys never lost the game more than seven points. We got a punt blocked in one game that totally changed the game.

We were in control of the game until that happened. And another one where I think his defense gave up 15 yards. in the entire second half. Oh, my Michigan State. Holy shit, dude. And we punted it to the wrong sideline and gave up a kick return and lost in overtime. And that's been an issue on a thorn on our side for a while. And Bill Bush is our specialty coordinator now and doing a great job.

And the players know how important it is. And so all the effort we're putting in right now in Springball, special teams is probably getting the most attention and effort. And we all know that needs to get better. It can be the difference. The big 10 is so good. Every team is this much difference between. and all these teams and special teams

can make the difference in those types of game. I love your intensity. Of all the coaches in the Bay 10, who would you lose a fight to? Lose a fight too? Who do you think you would lose a fight to? If all the coaches in the Bay Ten got together in a ring and it was kind of a free-for-all,

who do you think you'd have the hardest time? Like battle royal type situation? Yeah, like I guess so. And get that mic close too, don't they? Well, I would hope that every coach in the league would say they wouldn't lose because I don't feel like but we can have Jim the object the objectivity of it.

Who's the head coach for Michigan State? Mel Tucker. Yeah, he'd get his ass beat probably. I don't even know what he looks like. He's younger. He could, he might be able to chop in. Just, you know, not just

because you're from Michigan, but I'm just telling you, Jim was a professional athlete. Yeah. And he's a little bit crazy. I love him. He's a little bit crazy. He's a little bit crazy. He's the, he just strikes. He's a type of guy that wouldn't give

up no matter what in a fight. It's a Michigan way. But, I mean, he'd probably enjoy that, and I would, too, in a friendly competitive type of work. Brought to you by buss him with the boys. Yeah. You're a lot of main event. No, he's big now.

He's my size. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm younger than he is. Oh, so you think. You think them hands with toss, huh? He's a tough, he's a tough dude, no. He got a lot of respect for him. Who'd you have the easiest time with him, the big time you think?

Is Chin's a head coach? Who? Oh, you're not? Okay. James, you know, he doesn't want to let him talk like that? No, he don't want the smoke, Willie. He don't want that smoke. That's a good one.

Who'd be the easiest? Bob Devaney would be pretty easy. Who's that? Illinois? No, he used to coach here. He used to coach here. Oh, really? I just assumed whoever the coach for Illinois was.

He said, who's that, Illinois? No, Illinois or Purdue, dude. Fuck, I had something else on. Oh, we're going to Michigan next week. Maybe. People got to call me back. It's getting a little dicey. But what do you guys think about this?

Every year, Nebraska and Michigan play in the fall, and they're fighting for the bus trophy. And you guys hoist, whoever wins, it's the battle of the bus. And it's a giant gold bus with long horns on top of that. I'll make this promise to you, if you make the trophy and you get Harbaugh and their AD to sign off on it, now I won't in. Let's fucking go, dude. That's what Nebraska does.

That's what Nebraska does. Hey, you guys legit fought for a trophy. Imagine I'm getting hyped up over a bus and trophy. Hoisting a bus and trophy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Giving the bird to the other team, like whoever wins. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's awesome. That made my day. We got trophies in this league with pigs and buckets and everything else. We might as well have a bus. Yeah, the bus. Yeah, I love that. Love that idea. Hey, what a win, right?

Yeah. I, uh, my last question. I asked like four. That's my bad. This is your thing. That's okay. I loved your questions. I thought you did a great job.

I feel like there's a great job. I feel like there's a good. couple more we can get us, Scott, though, because I feel like that dude loves to throw hands. You look at him. Yeah. Look at the way he's laying. He's sitting. He's comfy as hell right here.

He's built like a Chevy, too. Dude, he's built like a Chevy. That means he's diesel. But everyone talks about it. Like, it's no secret that everyone feels like Scott Frost is on the hot seat in his last year. You know, I had this written down that one of the, one of the definitions of insanity, you know, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. you've been so close, bro.

You guys have been so close with this program with this last year. Zero point different. You know, I've been out spouting off about the best three and nine win of all, best three win team of all time. But being so close, and as you guys know, once you get removed from the season, you ultimately just become what your record was. And being 15 and 29, like going into 2022,

what were a couple of things that you guys get in the room about? You've made coaching changes. You have a contract restructure. You're doing all these different. things. What are a couple of things that you're in that room and you're like, yo, we got to tighten this shit up. Not because you actually feel the pressure or you're on the hot seat, but you're just like, I'm sick and tired of being just this fucking close. Yeah, first of all, every coach is on the hot seat every year, essentially. It is what it is.

I tell you, if we don't get it done here, it's not going to be from lack of effort or knowing how to coach or doing things the right way. And we had a big hill to climb to catch, there's a lot of good teams this league and to catch a lot of these teams. in our league. But I agree with you. That's some of the reason I made changes not because we weren't doing things the right way. Just, you know, we needed to have a little bit different approach with some new energy, some new ideas, and some new enthusiasm. And I think we got that with some of the new players and coaches that we brought in. Our entire team is excited because they know how close they are. And like I said, I think there's a hunger there because of the way

we lost games and how close we were. And also, strangely, through losing a lot of the game. lot of confidence in our team because we played again a playoff team and had them on the ropes and had a chance to go ahead of Ohio State in the fourth quarter and and I can go through the games but there's a lot of confidence frustration but also confidence within our team and we're going to keep doing things the right way and keep trying to add to the roster and the talent and keep getting the culture better and then all you can do is go out on Saturday and give it everything you got I love it, man. Yeah, and another thing, too,

like last year, Harbaal was on the proverbial hot seat, and we weren't even ranked top 25 and went to the playoffs, like it happens every year. Yeah, winning solves everything, right? And the thing people need to be more understanding of is when a coach comes in,

like, it's not the players he recruited. And so now you're going into the fifth year, right? This is like, these are your players, these are your guys, these are the guys you guys came in and have had the whole entire time to develop. And so you know how to it is. People just don't.

Yeah, you see coaches that get jobs where they're already on top of the mountain and they take over for somebody else that got it there. That's a lot easier, particularly coaches that inherit a team where they've been coaching, a coordinator gets promoted or whatever. Right, right. Usually the jobs you get as a head coach are the ones that aren't doing real well. Yeah. And it's a fix.

And this has been a fix. And the great thing is, I think the hard work is behind us. And now it's just more fine-tuning to make sure that some of these close results. change. Yeah. We have the outstanding fans that are behind you and we walk down this place. Every single person, huge Nebraska fans that sold out since 62. I'm excited to see you guys ball out this year except for one game. Yeah, I'm room for you guys, man. Thanks. Obviously. Thanks for your what? What? Yeah. No, thank you for you guys' time. Like, this has been a blast and I'm fucking pulling for you. You know I'm ready to just pop off at the mouth anytime on that bus.

No question. And the crazy thing is you should have me to ask that last question. Because you went to Nebraska I got no ties I can make them upset Well I mean but still You see like You see a couple Husker guys Talking shop

Yeah Like oh they're giving us the real shit I mean my you made my man Lena sit up I loved it I'm like okay We're fucking We're doing this

Yeah Love the energy dude Fuck yeah No but thank you guys man You guys got anything else for us No good luck to you Thank you Thank you

Appreciate you guys It's been awesome Yeah dude The Battle for the bus Is on its way Love it here first subscribe, Ray 5 stars, all that fun stuff. Hey guys, it's us.

The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

We get to ask other people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.

Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Your 20s can be so exciting, but they can also be really overwhelming, confusing, and honestly, just kind of lonely. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, and the psychology of your 20s is breaking down the science behind the biggest roadblocks we face. I was six years into my career,

the 80-hour weeks, and just the first one in, the last one out, and I ended up burning out. There was a large chunk of my 20s that I, like, was just so wanting to, like, be out of that phase out of my skin, and I just really regret not living in the present more. You don't need to have everything figured out right now. You just need to understand yourself a little bit better. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the IHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.