Bussin' With The Boys - Spring Tour: Jim Harbaugh (Michigan)

Episode Date: March 22, 2022

Recorded: March 18, 2022 | For our final interview, legendary coach and certified football guy Jim Harbaugh joins the boys. He talks about the Michigan tradition, recruiting, and the piece of advice from Walter Payton that stuck with him forever. ----- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ----- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: Chevy: Chevy Silverado - The Strongest, Most Advanced Silverado Ever. Duke Cannon Supply Co. Georgia BootFor more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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There's no question about it. Legacy vehicle. Shevies are for legacy. It really is. So last week, we're doing this spring tour. We went to Nebraska last week, Michigan this week, and then we're going to hit Tennessee at some point. But when we're at Nebraska, we were talking to Scott Frost, and we brought

up this idea, and I want to get your vibe, your thought. Do you want to show them the clip? Well, before we do that, I'll bring up the clip. Well, I'll bring up the clip. You ask about the, you ask about the fight. You've got a fight. When we were talking to Scott Frost, we asked him, who would you lose to in a fight in the Bay 10? And he kind of

was, I don't know, at first, then he brought up you. He said, if all the coaches in the Big Ten, if he had to fist fight him, he would probably have the hardest time with you because how scrappy you are. High energy guy, through the roof, getting after you guys. Who do you think? How do you think that fight would go between the two of you? Cool. How a fight with me?

Yeah, and Scott Frost. I would say, I mean... Are you coming out on top of that? I don't know if I could whip anybody. I'm sure all the coaches The Big Ten are tough But I'd have to say I'm not because I wouldn't concede

I mean here's the deal I haven't been in a street fight in about 20 years So Scott Frost would definitely He's a thicker dude Definitely yeah he would I mean if I would pick anybody I mean

Who would all come I mean Scott Frost Mel Yeah Tucker those would probably be my two favorites. Two favorites to go against or you might lose to or you'd probably be. That would be, you know, you'd put it the top. It would be the most worrisome.

Yes, yeah, yeah, because you know you're not worried about Ryan Day. You know, that's the type of guy. I mean, after what you guys, they do in the big house. I don't know if I can whip anybody. Yeah, you know what I love it. Very political of you and I love that. But the way you guys put it on Ohio State, I had to be one of the greatest feelings as a coach playing here,

going through that. And of all the games you played, You've played in the Super Bowl. You've done almost everything. That's got to be the best, one of the best feelings. Yeah, nothing better. I can tell you that. Like anything with a win, you know, they're like your own children.

You know, I've got seven kids, and you love them all. Yeah. You know, you really do. That's what every win feels like. But, yeah, certainly none better than that game with Ohio State here in the big house. You know, our team was, they were highly mostly. motivated. They played extremely well, executed great.

It was everything. It was a dream kind of season. And that game was that was the exclamation point on it. It was absolutely everything. Speaking of rivalries, we're trying to get a little something going between the boys.

And it sounds like it's halfway there. It's halfway there. I just want you know it's halfway there. I'm going to show you a clip of Scott Frost talking about it. Taylor played in Michigan. I played in Nebraska. You guys obviously play, obviously play. Do you guys play every year or is it you guys play two years in a row and then off two or do you know? I do know. They've got this, they've got, the Big Ten has had this scheduling system where, where the East plays the West and everybody's going to play each other

the same amount of times, but it's going to take 56 years to do it. Sounds like some good scheduling About the big time. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, everybody will play each other eight times. Yeah, that's hilarious. Number one, but this is perfect for the situation we're talking about. This is, you get this phone.

Here, you can hit watch again and listen to the clip. Okay. Watch. Watch again, okay. But what do you guys think about this? It's my voice. Every year. Put the thing close.

See the excitement? So what's your, give me your first initial reaction of the feeling of that. Cool. I love that. That's a great start. I love the one word, too. Is it a possibility? Well, here's what I do.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, why not? I mean, it's Nebraska, it's Michigan, you can do whatever you want, right? You guys make the trophy, and then we play for it. You know, it's like... So there's no, like, loopholes if you go with the NCAA or at Bay 10? When I was a coach at the University of San Diego, our main rival was Dayton. And we came up with the idea as a team, let's get something to play for between us and Dayton.

So we made a flag. And it was half San Diego. and half Dayton. Yeah. You know, one was blue and white, and the other was red and white. And we made this flag, and then we took it to the game, and we won. And then after the game, I went up to the other coach and said, this flag we made back here, out of respect for your program and our program, we wanted to have something to play for in this game.

Now, we won it this year, so we'll keep it. but if you beat us, then you can have the flag and we'll go back and forth. And they were totally cool with it. Yeah, I don't think they were cool. They weren't cool until they won it. Yes, and then they took, they like, give us that damn flag. Yeah, 100%.

They weren't, yeah. I don't think they recognized it at all until they won it. Yeah. Then it was a flag. Yeah. So I would say that's perfect. Under that precedent, you could make a trophy and then whoever wins it takes that trophy. Well, you hoist it.

Like, are you going to be proud? Like, let me see that bus trophy and hold it up. Because if you think about it this way, the brown jug between Michigan and Minnesota. It's a great trophy. But like the backstory, we left a water bottle there. And then we left a water jug. Then we call like, hey, we need that back. You got to win it if you want to get it.

If you want it, you got to come win it. Yeah. And so this is as equal to the story. We went to our lawyer. We went to our legal team and we had something. We had something drawn up here. here, if you would want to just sign and say like you're down to do it, says I, Jim Harbaugh. Agree to making Nebraska-Michigan game, the Bustin Bowl.

Oh, my. Hey, let's go. This is, listen, this might not mean a whole lot to you, but this is everything to us. It's electric. This is an electric factory happening right now. And that fires me up, man. We got to frame this. It really does.

I don't think you know what you get yourself into. You're going to see a lot more of us. No, and somebody in the building had mentioned, And maybe some of the, maybe it might have been the players. Maybe they saw your show. They say, hey, I hear we're playing Nebraska for a trophy next year. And I said, cool. He didn't hear about it.

It's the first. If you want to talk shit, talk a little shit. It's all good. It's the first I've heard of it. But now this kind of fills in some blakes. My heart's warm and fuzzy right now. You know, and you saw your wife for the first time in her white dress. Michigan guy and Nebraska guy.

Yeah. You know? How one was to play in Memorial? That was insane. Yeah. What an atmosphere. That, that game day experience in Memorial was off the chain, as the young people say. Yeah.

You know, the music, the third, the thing they do between the third and the fourth quarter. Oh my, when the lights go off and the red lights, yes, bro. What's the song they play? It's a metallic song or heavy metal song. Oh, that's tough. It is tough, but I know. You should know that. I know I should know that.

I was in the moment, Gary, what was it? You know the song? He choked out of that. He just choked. It was a three, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Thunderstruck. That's my fault. That's my fault.

That's like the number one football song. When he looked at me and started saying, what was the song? My heart started just beating. He was thinking of the trophy. Coach Hardball's asking him on the trophy. You were thinking about the truth. So it's kind of like when the Steelers. That's awesome, though, by the way.

I think that's awesome. Yeah, let's do it. Really? Yeah. And the 80 doesn't have to sign off on it? Oh, he might, but either way, coaches are like, yo, let's fight, let's compete, let's do it.

That's outstanding. You have recruits here? Are these recruits back here? Yes. Hey, guys, if you guys come to Michigan? I don't think you're talking. He's like, please. Come right in the building and starts breaking rules

right on the right on the bat, man. I apologize. I apologize. Oh, man. There's rules on that, huh? You can't talk to everybody? You just want to make sure that's not breaking them.

Yeah, 100%. Speaking of rules, a lot of things have changed. The NIL deals have been a big transition to college football. What do you see Michigan doing? Because we had a couple of the offensive linemen on, to be brutally honest, I'm a little disappointed. Because I was like, hey, what are your NIL deals like, Mr. Spots? Which is a fantastic place. Keith's an amazing guy.

I love him to death. But at Nebraska, kids are making $100,000 over there. And that's going to, I mean, Lincoln's not much to look at, but kids are going to come for that six-figure deal. I don't know if he's even allowed to talk too much about numbers or others. Because you guys aren't allowed to really be a part of it. You guys aren't really a part of it. Can't be a part of it. Can't have any fingerprints on it, which we don't. But, I mean, I'll give you my take on it, which is I think it's a very good thing.

I think players should be able to profit off their name, image, and likeness. But I don't want to lose what Michigan is. And it's a transformational experience, not a transactional. experience. But with the NIL, it can become transactional. So we're not going to recruit players and be promising them money to come here. Right. But if you do, it's been proven, you come here and you play well, then your jersey starts selling. You start getting these deals. We have players that are making from what they've told me, you know, in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Hundreds of thousands.

That's six figures, right? And that's six figures? That's absolutely correct. But that, I mean, yeah, it's so kind of that transformational experience, you know, can become transactional if you play good. I think that's a good model. I mean, would you ever want to be on a team where some guys just coming in and he's getting money to come in? Like it hadn't done anything yet? I got to live that life right now in the NFL.

It's kind of like what it is every day, right? What the heck's going on in? Yeah, it is kind of crazy. The thing that is becoming more transactional in the college football world is this transfer portal. Yeah. Because when I was playing, it was like if you transferred, you have to sit out a year, it can't be in conferences, all of these crazy rules. And now it kind of seems like a free-for-all. Do you see, like, the way college football is morphing kind of seems like it's coming, turning into like an NFL in that way, like a free agency almost?

Yeah. And the other side of the coin. To me, why I was always for the transfer portal. was because it didn't seem fair that of the 38 sports or 40 sports that there are in college sports, there was only four at the time that you couldn't just freely transfer to another school if you wanted to. Football, men's basketball, I think it was women's basketball and the other was hockey. Now, I'm not 100% if those are the four, but all the rest of the sports, all the country club sports, all of their sports, they've always been able to transfer freely without having to,

sit out. So that's why I was for it. I mean, it should, I mean, the rules should be really uniform for, for all the sports, right? And, yeah, I mean, if, just like if your, if your son or daughter wasn't having a good experience someplace, I mean, they should have the ability to go to a, to a school where they can get that great college experience. Yeah, my worry with that stuff, I'm so sorry for cutting off, well, I just wanted to finish this thought. But my worry with all that stuff is like, you know, a lot of times when the way, like, you know, you know, Kids are growing up now, even like in our childhood, a little bit in the participation trophy thing,

when you go somewhere and you don't get that instant gratification, like, is there, like, kids are more bound to get up and like, well, I'm not giving what I want, I'm to leave. It's not necessarily a, there's just ways to manipulate that process. It's not saying, like, I'm having a bad experience at a Michigan or at Nebraska or Wisconsin. It's like, well, I'm not starting, so I'm just going to leave. And that kind of, to me is a bummer.

I think the transfer portal, I agree with you. I'm just saying that's another way to think about it. Now, you bring up a good point. I mean, does it, does it hurts, hurts the experience of working through a tough time, having some endurance, having some resilience. Yeah. I mean, tough to argue that one. Yeah.

I think for overall, though, I think it, I think it's a good thing. Does it make it hard, like, knowing that the pivot, it's kind of made with the transfer portal and then all the NIL stuff happening, that feel for taking on an extra gig to where it seems like, you got to recruit these kids all year around now. You know what I mean? Again, with the unhappiness or dudes doing this and that, obviously for you, if you're a head coach, you're like, yeah, I mean,

if these kids aren't for the wrong reasons you don't want them as part of the molding culture that you're trying to build here, but doesn't make it harder, does it kind of put you in a spot to recruit kids all year around with all this stuff happening? Well, I mean, first of all,

I try to be the, in terms of recruiting, be the kind of coach, be the kind of place where under-promising and over-delivering. And, yeah, so I try to deliver every day, you know, that they're here to make it a transformational type of college experience for them. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, that is outstanding.

As far as like under-promising, over-delivered, I heard you're quite the recruiter. Now, I did not have the opportunity to get recruited by you when you were at Stanford. You were recruiting a player, but I don't know if you remember him, Craig Rowe. Yeah, he actually came to Michigan. Yeah, he came here. And you came to my high school and they're like, hey, you got to look at this kid, Taylor LeWan. He's kind of coming up. And he looked at my transcript and you go, it's not going to work out there.

It's not going to work out with the Stanford. Sorry, yeah. Yeah, it did not work out at all. So, but I've heard like you come over in cleats. You're staying over at houses. Like what makes you want to recruit in such a unique way? Well, there was, I mean, some of the things get. Oh, missing 100% right?

It's a big fish story. I never were. Not that I can ever remember or know Did I ever wear cleats To somebody's house And I always take my shoes off When I come through it. Really?

That's important to know. That is important to know. Always. You know who AJ Brown is? AJ Brown, wide receiver here. We went to Ole Miss. Okay.

And I believe we might be wrong on who it was. We could be wrong in the person. We could be wrong in the person. He said that you didn't take your shoes off and his mom got mad. I always take my shoes on. And you had cleats on. This could have been Isaiah Wilson.

It's a complete lie is what it is. I take exception to that. Okay. And I respect. My mom and dad would take exception to that. Yeah. That would be very offensive to the home training that I had. What is one of your unique recruiting pitches that you've swung and missed on?

Like what's something you look back on? You're like, all right, maybe I'll scrap that. And then, you know, do something different. Like, what's a recruiting story that didn't go your way? But when you're starting out, Sam here you go. As far as, I mean, again, the pitch, I mean, I'm not like the, there's probably a lot of people better in terms of the car salesman type of pitch I'm pretty much, I'll tell you what it is.

I mean, it's the same thing my dad told me. When I was in high school, trying to decide, you know, what's the best school here? My dad said, son, this is the ABCs of picking a college. A, academics, go where you can get the best education possible. B, ball. Where can you go and play early, play often, play well, be developed, and win. see college experience

where are you going to go and be truly happy and feel like you know that's going to be home so easy ABC rememberable and I found to be spot on

and that's been the same advice that I've given hundreds and thousands of kids as in my role as a head coach yeah do you have a good do you have a good recruiting story where something was just

I'll give you an example we had Bo Poline on. He came on the bus back in Nashville. And we were talking to him about recruiting stories. And he told this recruiting story where he went, it was either in Florida, Texas, one of there. Him and his coach, I want to say, was maybe Tim Beck at the time.

But he's like, bro, we went into this house. And the whole time we're trying to recruit this kid, somebody's watching porn in a room close by to where you can hear everything. So the entire time he's sitting there trying to recruit this kid, you hear all this moaning and groaning going on in the background. But just a hilarious story. Do you have anything like that that you think back on?

You're like, what a wild situation that was. No recollection of it happening. I've never had any kind of any kind of situation that hasn't been great. I mean, it's always the same. I mean, wherever you go, I mean, you go and you got families that, you know, they really care about their son. Right. You know, they want what's best for their son.

Not watching porn. Right. It's probably not best for the brain. development, right? The tough deal. Cerebellum. Yeah. Dopamine.

I want to see there's another one where they, you know, you get into the... Cool thing I think. I mean, one thing I think that always strikes me every time I, is, you know, go out and recruit and wherever it is. I mean, across the country, it's like football is really strong. I mean, people really, really love football and, and, yeah, family, and the families are strong. So those are two things that always are.

super encouraging me when I'm going out and hitting the recruiting trail or making home visits. Yeah. Well, being a guy that played at Michigan, and like I said before when we first started this podcast, like when I got here, Rich Rodriguez was here, and then Rich, it wasn't going great. Everyone's like, we got to get Harbaal. That's the guy, the Michigan man. We got to get him. And then Brady Hope comes in.

And at the end of Brady Hook's tenure, like, Harbaal, we got to get him. And so being a guy that played here, your experience, like, in college, and then coming back here, like, how much different was it for you to see, like, you know, 30 years later? later where you're at? It's been great. I mean, I've just always had a love, love relationship with Michigan. Always been extremely blessed and just have a lot of gratitude, attitude of gratitude for this place, everything it's done for me personally and my family and just everything.

You know how some people, you probably know, you know, your own school, Michigan or your own school in Nebraska. I mean, they, um, sometimes they had that love-hate relationship with it. You know, 18 wonderful things might have been done for you. Yeah. While you were there. But there was one thing you took exception to and, you know, this big, you know, this place, you know, didn't do enough or didn't do, yeah.

Sounds like me. It sounds like me. Yeah. Absolutely. No, I get, I just love it. You know what I mean? And, uh, if there's, yeah, stuff that, uh, you know, it's, uh, you know, You know, didn't go your way or you weren't, you know, whatever.

I mean, it was, that's, that's life. Yeah. That's stuff, you know, that, uh, but the things that I was taught here by my coach, Bo Schembeckler. The legend. The legend. Yeah. I mean, they just, priceless, like, I mean, nuggets of gold that I was able to receive,

you know, when I was 18 to 22 years old. So forever, forever, thankful. Shall we get into the, I think it's time. Because I know we're at the 21st, yeah. I know we're at the 21 mark now. And we got a couple good ones we want to ask. Absolutely. So this last segment, oh, dang.

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Yeah, very nice. That's nice, right? It needs to be in every locker room, Are you guys the kind of show that gives the guest a little gift for coming on the show? We plan on that. We plan on that. Here's the issue. So we had the last thing.

I know. You used to be radio shows back in the day. We do that. We have one. Trevor or Zach has yours. We had three. You were one, main one on. Cade was.

We didn't know if Zach and Trevor were coming on. That would be a great tradition for you guys to bring back. I was a kid growing up in Michigan. Ernie Harwell used to do the Tigers games. Legend. George Kell and Ernie Harw. They would always have somebody on either in the post game or the pregame interview. And I think the tagline was always, thanks for coming on.

You'll receive a pair of floor shime shoes, which were kind of dress shoes. Nice deal. Yeah. So you got a pair of shoes. You guys can read that back. It doesn't have to be Floorstein shoes. It could be, you know, something. Do you can.

Felicia? I think that's a phenomenal idea, too. I think that's a great idea. But she's saying like she's going to get the whole line boxes, she's going to, you're obviously going to get a package. You're going to get one of shit. Yeah, absolutely. It's really is good. But this last segment and talking about locker room and everything like that,

you've obviously been in the coaching game for over two decades, for over 20 years. But you were a player for 15 seasons, bro. You were there, Walter Payton's rookie year. You were coached by Mike Ditka. You were a baller like me. When I was a kid and you got money and the book fair came to your school and you bought those posters. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah.

Your Indianapolis Colts poster was hanging in my room. So you played a lot of ball before you were a coach in all this madness. all this buttoned up collared stuff. If we're going to loosen up the tie a little bit and talk about a good old fashion six pack of beers in here, locker room story from back in the day, whether again, whether it's references, Payton, Dittka, a fun night out, something that you just love to tell that you wouldn't normally tell in like a mainstream media show.

I mean, like, so many. So many. So many. We can go one at a time. Yeah, we got time. We got all time. We got nothing to do. Again, you've been in the game for over 30 years, bro, both player and coaching.

But I'm fascinated. Like, I know you've been. a meat peeker, right? Like, we joke with all the players. Hey, hang on now. Mercy. Stay with him. Stay with him. Stay with me. We sit with all the players. Like, I'm the guy that we go, we'll go around at practice during walk through. Hey, be honest, man. Do you peek in the shower or stuff like that? Like, busing balls with the guys. And I know you remember what that was like. Number one, were you meet people? What were you meet peaker back in, back in your playing days? No. Come on, man. That's tough. That's a tough lie. That is a tough lie. Because I would go around

and I told, like, say it's Taylor, I beg, you know, I bet you 80% of guys say they don't, they don't peek in the shower. But sometimes you just notice in general. Yeah, sometimes you just notice in general. Right. But all that being said, we know you know what it's like to be one of the boys. I want you to take us back a nice little story that you can give. That's Jim Harbaal, the football player.

Be our Bo Schembeckler. Yes, bro. Maybe a dick. Maybe a game you think back on you, like, fuck, I really wish I would have had that game back. Maybe it's something with Ditka. I know he was like a crazy bastard. Well, not, I was coaching. Walter Payton, you were with him for one year as a rookie when you got drafted.

First round, congratulations. Okay. All right. That sparked something right there. I love it. Hey, you kept treading water and the life preserver came out. Yes, I need that. That's outstanding.

Well, done. So my first game ever, getting ready to play the Miami Dolphins, preseason game. It was actually the first time Joe Robbie Stadium had just gotten opened up. So first game in Joe Robbie Stadium. and I'm sitting on my locker. Already had everything dressed ready to go, just waiting to go out for pregame. And Walter Payton comes up,

Tass me on the shoulder, and he goes, you nervous? And I said, no, I'm a first-round pick. I mean, I played at Michigan, you know, in front of 100,000 worth 100,000 people every week. He goes, well, I am. I get nervous before every game I play. I go, I usually throw up in my hump.

before the game. Throw up once before every game. And he goes, let me give you a piece of advice. He goes, get the first hit in. Seek it out if you have to, but run around, hit somebody, and then all those butterflies are going away. And then he walked away. Into a cloud?

Yeah, into, yeah. Just disappearing. And I was like, you know, and I was really nervous. Right. All the butterflies were doing cartwheels in my stomach. And, yeah, I took. that piece of advice with me the rest of my career. And it works.

I mean, go hit somebody. Get somebody. Yeah. You know, hit your offense alive. Get tackled. I mean, get that first hit in a football game and those butterflies go. That's true. I feel like kids sitting around a campfire.

That is a true statement. That nerve and then I just need that first play. Because the worst part of it before a game, I'm sure you remember this playing, was after warmups going back in the locker room before you go play. And then that point for me is like, God, can we just go play now? And so because you just wanted to get that first hit in. As soon as you get the first hit, you're like all the nervousness of what could happen is out the window. Yeah, crescendos.

I mean, it's like you go back in after warm-ups, go to the bathroom, you do it. You know, you get your uniform, everything feeling good and comfortable. And you kind of sit in there. And then all of a sudden, I mean, every coach has ever coach football, right? Two minutes! Calls everybody up. And then you just come up. And yeah, just look at each other, right?

I mean, staring, you know, like, okay, this is it. Time to go to battle. And, yeah, and that's, then you run out and you, no, butterflies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get that first hit it, right? No doubt, national anthem's going on. You're trying to be your patriot self,

and you're like, God, we just got to play. Exactly, bro. That's the way you should be. That's the way you should be. I mean, it should be. That's the way you should go into a game. I mean, the, like a thoroughbred race horse, When they try to mouth for that buglers call at the Kentucky Derby or whatever, I mean, the ones that are winning.

I mean, you can see the heart pounding. Nostrils are flaring. Eyes wide open, right? I mean, they got a sweat going. I mean, this isn't like some horse that's taking people around in New York City, you know, pulling a cart. Just another day. They're there. Yeah.

The crem to the crown. Vades. You kind of get you fired up, right? Yeah. Let's go. dude. That's what I am I do, I do, you're 10. Yeah, your 10.

No doubt. But we were talking about it this morning, like, you know, not naming anything, but talking about circling a certain game. But it's just like, yeah, you just, you got to get the fight started. Yeah. And that's the whole analogy. It's just like, you know, don't wait, like go fucking. Be the first one.

Be the first one. Get it started, bro. Like when you grow up and your parents talked to you about getting a fight you never started, but you make sure you're finished your time mentality. Like with football, you got to start it right away. That's the only way to do it. You go in there and you throw the first punch and then just keep swinging to you're exhausted.

Man, you get a little, my dad trained me like in a fight, like you wanted to get the first. Oh, he trained you like that? Oh, he trained you? All right. What did he do?

What did he like get you like, hey, son, come downstairs or something? Like push you a little bit. Yeah, yeah. My grandfather was a boxer. Semi-professional boxer had about nine fights. And my dad could handle himself really well. But yeah, he's,

you never want to, if you're facing off a guy, you never want to, you never want to be square to him. You want to come in a slight, slight angle. And you want to always throw the first punch. And you go for the tip of the nose.

Why the tip of the nose? Because that's the most sensitive part and will bleed. It will first, it will bleed, you know, the most, you know. And the easiest. And a lot of people, when they taste their own blood, sometimes their will and their resolve will lessen mightily. Hey, you're firing me up right now. I'm sorry.

I'm thinking, oh, Scott might be in trouble. I think he beat Scott up. He's a big dude. He's like a little more girthy. Would your dad make you demonstrate? Be like, all right, do you do it? And he's angry, too. He's an angry dad.

Yeah. Scott? Yeah. I respect that. He seemed calm, cool, collect, but we went out to practice the next day. And there was a fight or something at practice. He got that look at his eye. He's got that look at an eye where you got.

He's a little nuts. He's a little crazy. Matter of fact, what did you think when you saw the clip of your brother shaking Vrabel's hand, they had a little disagreement. Are you sitting there like, oh, yeah. Hey, John, I don't know. Way to go, John, that's my brother. That's my guy, yeah.

That's how I felt about that. Because he kind of gave him. That was, I was hurt. Jim texted him, he's like, hey, throw the first punch. Don't wait, get the fight started. Yeah, no doubt. Because he came in, and John said something to him, and Braybill kind of did this thing.

Did they all look away. Bad blood move. Bad blood. Over a thing that the Titans we've done forever is we just go in the middle of the field. Go stop on our other. Go stop on the middle of the hard? No, we go in the middle of the radio. It wasn't happening to the rave.

They were taking it to that. Oh, no doubt. They were pissed. They were absolutely pissed. Hey, this has been awesome. And they won that game, too, the Ravens. No? No, not that one.

Yes, they did. No, they did. We won a divisional game. Yeah, yeah. We won the regular season game. But we won that game that we're talking about. And the divisional game, y'all, the one that mattered the most. Okay.

I say y'all, like, it's you guys. I really thought they went out of two. I thought they won out of two, yeah. He's always ticking. You strike me as a guy that, and we can be done whenever you want. We're kind of just mudding the water now. But you strike me as a guy that's always got his mind on fall. like constantly focused on the prize at hand,

which is the Bayton Championship. But I think the Big Ten Championship is now, like you obviously want to win that, but you guys made it to the playoffs this year. And so I feel like your personality, the intensity in your eyes, you seem like a dude's like, that's what it is now.

You know, that's what we're going after. Yeah, we're just, I mean, exactly. Cool. Yeah, it's been a pleasure. Did you used to get after it as a player, like off the field at night? Uh, no. You were like a straight, you were like a buttoned up.

He's a quarterback. Like, you know, never got into some trouble. Like, all you guys say is, oh, yeah, I used to get after. Then that's it. I don't need a story. I'm just wondering like, like a lifetime ago. We're trying. We're trying too hard.

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