Bussin' With The Boys - TJ Hockenson Opens Up About Being Traded + The Differences In All The Quarterbacks He Has Played With

Episode Date: July 18, 2026

Recorded: July 15th 2024 | On this week's episode the boys are joined by fellow boy and friend of the show, Minnesota Vikings tight end, TJ Hockenson. The Boys start off discussing last weekend's wild turn of events. Including, the assassination attempt towards former president Donald Trump. They give their thoughts on what happened in Butler, Pa. how it could have been better handled, and the potential trajectory of American politics. The Boys then take a sharp turn and talk all things football. First, TJ discusses his knee injury he had at the end of last season. How his road to recovery has been, and ways to fight off negative thought cycles. T.J. then discusses the differences between all the QB's he's played with. Matthew Stafford, Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, and Josh Dobbs to name a few. Finally, Will and Taylor ask about T.J.'s mindset for 2024. Does he have any bitterness towards the Lions for trading him? What happened with the Vikings last season and the frustrations that went along with it?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ladies gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Busen with the Boys. Episode 285, I've just been told from the back of the bus. Very special guest with us today. Can we get some enthusiasm? Very special guest with us today. Mr. T.J. Hawkinson, baby. Let's get a big round of applause. Big round of applause.

TJ, it's an absolute pleasure to have you on here, man. I appreciate you guys having us. I see you're cozy too. You got the leg up, lean back a little bit. I've been on here a couple times now. Yeah, dude. You want to sit? You're trying to lock in?

Yeah, so. Yeah, so tell me about these loosies because I haven't had these yet. Lock in. I know, but they're different colors. I put a little more flavor, put a little extra flavor in there. So, yeah, you walked in on the other side and you said, I got my. I do like coffee. I got my Z words all ready to go.

And we said, what we do at the same time? We said, whoa. And then we brought these little boys out. We said we'd have this conversation on the bus. These Lucy's, man, you pop them with your teeth. So you do. You do pop them. Yeah, you can't.

You can't, you don't have to. Or it's just hits you about 20 minutes down the road. Pop two of those bad boys. Gets the nicotine in your system faster, a little orgasm in your mouth. Just hits you right here. What milligram are these? Those are four, but they go up to 12. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Give me another one. Oh, I got one. You got a whole little deal there, huh? I like it, though. They have a little trash thing on the top. Yeah, they thought of everything. They did, yeah. Yeah.

That's huge. The company you're supporting right now, that's big tobacco. That's a big tobacco company. That's a big tobacco company. That's Fortune 500. Big guy, step on the little guys. You don't know what kind of chemicals

are in those things. Lucy, the guy who started this is an astrophysicist. His dad looks him in the eyes and says, listen, you're fucking your entire life of blood.

You're ruining everything. Because he went to Harvard. He's like, you're messing up your Harvard degree by getting, you know, a degree in... Astrophysicist.

What was it? Astrophysiology. Nicotine? I guess so. Yeah. They end up starting this company. So this is like essentially the mom and pop shop

of nicotine. Nicotine. You're supporting a small business just by putting that your lip right now. I do like small businesses. Yeah. That's huge. You want to talk football first? You want to talk about something else?

Whatever you guys got? All right, Trump was almost assassinated two days ago. So yeah, are you Republican or Democrat? Does that make you happy when you saw that or sad? I mean, I think that's just a sad thing in general. I mean, no matter what side of the aisle you're on, I think, you know, that's an issue in the country, obviously, is just they're so divided in any sense. and yeah, that was definitely a tough one. Are you going to play it right now?

Yeah, that was, that's a wild scene. I think there's a few different angles, right? A few different angles. Let's put on the tinfoil hats. Assassination attempt, inside job, or a complete setup move by the Trump campaign. I think there's three, there's three layers out there. You can, you know. Right.

Which one are you meeting? Well, hold on. Before we do that, I think we should also both give the insurance policy being like, yes, that was wrong. no one should have done that. There you go. No one should have done that. It was wrong.

We need to not fight that way. Honestly, it's just embarrassing that we're at that, that we've gotten to this point. Yeah, there hasn't been an assassination attempt since what Bush, right? 43 years.

43 years? That's crazy. Reagan. I thought there was an assassination attempt on OG Bush, but I might be speaking out of my ass. I kind of saw that a tweet and I kind of took that information,

kept it and didn't look and do it at all. You're probably right. There's probably an attempt, but it just got. And there's levels. of badass and I think this is the pinnacle of badass after getting shot like say what you want repubby demi you do whatever you want but when it comes to Trump and getting grayes demi getting getting gray's in the side of the ear standing up and saying I want my shoes and says wait wait

wait and then wait wait puts the fist up as everyone's chaining USA and then that iconic photo of him getting going off the stage with a flag in the background that is badass it couldn't happen more perfectly I mean like With everything that he led up to, I mean, that was insane. Dude, and if that's an assassination attempt, if he just doesn't move his head, he's dead. That's the crazy part about it. You know what I mean? Yes.

Like, he's dead. I know. And there is, I mean, it is fun to jump into the conspiracies of every single situation, right? Do we really land on the moon, 9-11, lizard people, all those types of things, what's Colorado airport about. But this is interesting because there was a video that came out. I wonder if you can find it, Sturm Daddy. there is a video of the sniper to stage right

to the left of the camera view of Trump speaking and his scope is where his gun is pointing a certain direction he looks up and then you hear the gunshots go up and he gets back down and pulls a trigger. So that tells you he saw something suspicious going on anytime you see a guy you don't know with a gun

on top of a roof and the gun is pointed towards the area you're supposed to be protecting probably pull the trigger sooner rather than later. But it brings in the idea that I think a little bit of an inside job. You think it was a set up by Trump? I think it was both a real assassination attempt because you got, you got all the,

you check all the boxes, right? Like, young, white kid with a rifle on top of a roof. Like, that seems what usually happens. That seems to be what usually happens. Then you got what you're explaining with the sniper being up there, seeing something and getting back on his gun. Like, the dude, people, pedestrians are able to take photos of this kid and you're saying the Secret Service

or all the people that are on this job, was not able to see this kid or understand what was happening. And there was another interview after the whole thing. It was this cat with like a red visor on. Yes, with the fake hair, right? He's saying someone was trying to tell the police. And they didn't seem to do anything about it. I think there's a little bit.

Well, there's been videos of like people filming the guy walk up the roof or whatever and then lay down. Right. Right. Yeah. Like calling his name too. What are you doing? Calling the local police. Like, hey, there's a guy up there on the group.

Right. Like, I don't know how that doesn't get relayed. But we've all seen Shooter. Like, what's the other, what's the, what's the, what's the Netflix series as well? Yeah. Is it called a shooter? No. There's a, there's a Netflix series.

It's like, uh, the president dies. So the independent was the vice president. He actually takes over for the country. Oh, I know. It's like, I know. Yeah, designated survivor. Yeah, good pull, JP. And, uh, dude, these teams that are on this stuff, like, you don't miss something like that at all, whatsoever.

And the ability, like, like, you don't miss something like that at all whatsoever. And the ability, like, like, Like I want to say somebody talked about him in a press conference one time but somebody maybe having a gun, they had them off the stage within seconds. This one, it seemed like people weren't back like, yes, and people still standing up. I don't know, it just seems a little fishy to the board. And there's that guy, there's a guy sitting behind Trump.

He's like wearing a black like a fedora. And he's got curly hair. And when everybody starts a duck, he doesn't move at all. And then he mouths something and people are saying he's mouthing like, now you know. Yeah. Or something like that. Something crazy. Something crazy.

Those are the things that I love to like, oh, I wonder what the other. this means. Yeah, that guy right there. In the top left corner of that photo. Yeah, that's wild. And he's like holding his photo. And then you see people like kind of start ducking. He just goes like this. He doesn't move at all. Then if you play the game of total setup job by the Trump campaign, like Trump, he's been in the

WW, he's been in the ring, he's beat up Vincent Man. Like, what if he just drops to the ground and use and he just takes a blade to his ear? To me, insanely genius chess move. If you're watching it from a bird's eye view, just, you know, being like a commentator on the whole thing. Right, because it is, yeah, it's a horrible thing would happen, but now everyone is basically saying that there's no way this guy doesn't run away with it.

Yeah. And what was hilarious, too, as you sat back and this video was going around, like what Joe Biden would have to do to get back in the race of Trump and it's Vince McMahon getting into this limo, and then the limo just blows up. Oh, I want. Yeah, so Lucy Breakers are, you know, it's a great. Great segue.

Yeah, great pouch. to chew on. Well, we didn't get a, your thought, though. You think it's an inside job? And we're having fun here, right? Yes. You're not going to get in trouble. No, no, no, I'm not.

Yeah. I mean, he's in the NFL. Right. Politics. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, it goes either way. I'll be here from Neil pretty quickly. Yeah, no doubt.

He will text you, I'm sure. No, I don't, I don't know that it was an inside job. I think it was definitely a little sketchy on how the whole thing happened. But, you know, I think it is. It's kind of been a lead up, you know, over the last, whatever, 12 years since Obama gotten out of office, you know, the last three elections have kind of been a, you know, they talk about it as a do or die thing. And that's like, that's tough to, you know, somebody's going to take that real, you know. So, I mean, it's, it's hard to continue to the rhetoric of, oh, it's a do or die election and assume that nobody's going to do something drastic, you know, which is kind of crazy. So I think just the rhetoric in the United States and in America, like, it's an election, you know, go vote rather than, oh, this is the end of democracy or this is the end of, you know, civilization if one guy wins or the other. And that goes both ways. But like, it's kind of crazy the amount of, like, people are surprised now that like this happened.

And it's like, it is surprising and it should be surprising. but like there's been such a lead up to it it's crazy and it's also in the in the weird corner of it not being surprising because you know there are people there are people that like you know wish he would got shot right oh yeah which is crazy there's people that wish oh that wish Biden would tip over yeah before it all before the election happens right and to wish that i'm just saying like those are those are things that people out in the deep dark corners of the internet talk about i don't think they're that deep and dark you i feel you a lot of people are like damn yeah but nobody actively comes out and says shit like that oh yeah i saw a bunch of you know what i mean it's like when something

like that happens you'll be seeing stuff pop up on like oh man wish they would have wish you would have died or something like that which is crazy yeah yeah I think we're in a unique spot too because you really the next time Trump speaks obviously everybody's going to be tuned in but what a what a spot to where it's like everybody's just denouncing all this violence and where we've gotten to and all this divisiveness because that's where it's been right I feel like the middle the majority of the middle now are you know speaking up a little bit more just because you feel like you're shunned if you talk about one or the other because it's such a do or die you'll make it believe it's such a do or die situation it's like this

20 year old, he was 12 when Trump first got elected. It's like, wonder what's driving or what's cultivated his mind unless it's like, you know, there's the kooky inside job to where he was just kind of like the kid who was going to do it. And they just took advantage of some mentally unstable cat. But if it was his own doing, he was 12 when Trump first got elected. Like what has been going on in his mind up until that point to where he thinks he has to climb a roof and try to pull a trigger on the president? The vaccine. To be trying to remember that way? welcome the buss with the boys yeah dude podcast for the boys by the boys by the boys i don't know dude the older i get i just feel like it's there's all that deep uh what they call

it deep the deep state deep he's fucking on top of it today he took his alpha brain because he's part of q an honor yeah dude the deep state all that stuff it just seems realer and realer to me yeah there's other people behind the black rocks the ross child everyone's just kind of running things from the background yeah because how could how it how's gonna get so corrupt And now there's so much more information, so many more videos being taken, that things are just being found out faster. And it just so quickly goes by in the media cycle of 24 hours. I've really found myself 32 years of age, kind of believing what people are saying.

Kind of believing in the deep state stuff. But then you got people who are scared to even talk about it. It's like I thought, was it Garrett Wilson? Oh, Sawd Gardner. Sauce Gardner. Yeah, my fault. My fault, sauce. But sauce is, he put up a couple tweets that are like real things.

He almost doesn't. he's trying to like learn about stuff and be like, you know, why does your vote have to be deemed as something that is like, yo, you hate me now because I'm siding with let's say Trump or let's say Biden. But he wrote up a couple of tweets of like, you know, you got new people who are coming to the fold that are trying to potentially educate themselves. And people are like nervous to even do so or even talk about it because you get you get shunned immediately when you bring it up on what you might be on one side or the other. It's like it's like such a side thing, which is a bad place to be. And it's obviously resulted in an assassination attempt. Yeah, it's tough Yeah, can you bring up If you just go to his timeline I think it's the most recent ones I like falling sauce man I like yeah

I like falling sauce He did I saw that And I was thinking to my head Oh no I hope the boys don't see this It's tough Keep going keep going Keep scrolling Yeah you're right it's right at the top

My man tweets Is that it? Hang on, whoa Okay Okay, so bring up that initial when he did before he quote tweeted. Okay, it says in all honesty, I never voted before and I'm unfamiliar with politics, but I do think it's odd to judge people based on who they vote for. Maybe it's not odd and I just don't understand because I'm not familiar with it.

Somebody fill me in. I appreciate that authenticity because I do feel like a lot of, especially with Newcasts coming to the fold in politics, it's like, yo, what is, why are people just so on edge all the time? He says, I say this because it's no such thing as perfect people, which means there will never be a perfect president. it'll always be things that people don't like about what a president does and things they dislike. So people could support a president based on one good thing that he or she will change and disregard the not so good things. So it's not fair to judge someone based on who they vote for because that doesn't mean they have the same exact morals, morals and values as the president. So I thought it was articulate well.

Yeah. That's a great. Yeah. Shout out sauce. Shout out the boy, sauce Gardner. Yeah, that's real. I mean, you can't hardly even have a conversation with people that. like, you know, have different opinions because then it's just like it becomes a heated match.

And it's like, that's not, I mean, you can have a different opinion and I can have a different opinion, but like we're still, we can still be boys. Right. You know, like, but that's almost not a thing anymore. I find myself just leaning into more the humor side because you know you're not, if you're trying to have like real conversation, especially on the internet. Like they're just not going to, you know, you're not going to solve anything. No, you can't win. You're not going to change everybody's mind either. Right. Yeah, people are too like walled off to all that. Well, it's crazy that like, When we were kids, you just, like, you don't talk about religion or politics at the dinner table.

And I feel like that's all it's talked about now. Especially when it's an election year. It's like everyone's talking about this, that, and the other. Destroy some families, too. I mean, like, people like, I got a family reunion. Like, people, you can't even talk about it. It destroys bands. What is this?

What do you got pulled up here? We got the conspiracy theory iceberg going on over here. Yeah. You're bringing up Denver Airport. A couple of those things. Yeah, I've always loved the iceberg, man. This iceberg photo is always with a top. The way we've seen the iceberg is just all about your character.

What you see on Sundays? Yeah, what's below it. Yeah. What's mirror world? That we are actually living in the mirror world. And can you give JP the mic? Whoa. The mirror world is like when you go into your bathroom and you look in your reflection,

that what you're seeing is actually the real world and you are the mirror world. So you don't know where you exist. Hey, do you see Neil de Gras Tyson talk about... It's... Neil DeGrasse, that's a scientist, right? Yeah. He was essentially saying, in one clip that I saw,

so I could take this out of context, that it's very hard to argue that we're not in assimilation. Very difficult. Yeah. That someone's not playing a game on us and chaos is always happening, and the only time chaos stops happening is when the player playing our game

goes to the bathroom or goes to sleep. Yeah. Have anybody seen the new TV show Dark Matter? No, I've heard about it, though. I love on TJ's here, but he said like four words. We're all like, yo, what about this? Yeah, bye. Dude, Dark Matter.

So you go into this black box, right? You inject yourself, you go into this black box, but it's like this unlimited universe of like doors you can go into and depending on the thoughts and feelings you have, That's what you're about to open into another world, like another, another world. And so in this, like somebody who was traveling with him stayed in a world and said, I'm not going to go back in the box with you because I'm going to start a new life here because they're in a new universe.

They're in a new world. The universe they want to be in. Right. And then toward the end of it, it's like this guy who's a great actor, he's the teacher and the warrior. Oh. To where all of these same cats make it to the same world he's in. But just all the different realities that we could be potentially living in. It's an awesome show.

It's a good show. Sounds like a little bit of a black mirror. Yes. I haven't watched Black mirrors. Is that where you get to choose like the next scenes? Black mirrors are no, no, no, no. It's not interactive. But yeah, it's episode.

Each episode is a new. So you can just go through the episodes. You can start at like 20 or whatever. Yeah, you put whatever. And it's all like different plots, different ideas. But like a lot of it is like black male. A lot that I've seen is like black male, different universes, different theories, all kind of coming together. And it's wild.

Way out of the box. And no matter where you start, they both have a starting point. And what you end on is like a. an ending to that. Yeah, yeah, it's final. Like, there's no, where they're like an hour and a half. Yeah.

Like an hour and a half episodes and you really, your mind goes into God. It's kind of like a movie. Yeah. But it goes back to conspiracy theories. Yeah. Are people truly this original with ideas? Or are they being fed these ideas

and giving a small little hints to what's really going on in the world? I don't know. People have some. That kind of get you going a little bit? It makes me want to throw back a couple cans, the THC. Yeah, yeah.

For real. Have some conversations. This reminds me about Jared Allen. We had Jared Allen on. Yeah. And we just talked like conspiracy theories. Go back real quick. Go back.

What is the timeless? He's a man. He's a man, bro. Such a good hang. Yeah. The timeless enigma? Yeah. The Elysium network was catching my brain.

Elysium network. What's that? I don't know. I just saw it on that. Oh, you saw it on the thing? You'll see that next. Yo, Jared Allen is the fucking man, though. Yeah.

He is awesome. Big into the curling. He's, I think he's starting a company. Yeah. We did like a curling of. event with him like. Are you like on his team? Yeah.

Yeah. So we're, him and him, me, George. I mean, he's like the top of it. But then George and I are kind of like, um, putting it on social and like kind of doing a bunch of stuff with it. But okay. It's huge. It's sweet sport.

I mean, we're like we go to the T line over here all the time and just go through some rocks, man. And you guys, it's hard? Uh, it would be, it would, it's not that bad. I mean, like you, you, the first time you go is hard because like you don't, you don't. quite understand like how hard to release it or how hard to push off but like you go two three times and then you'll be solid I mean you're an athlete like and eye coordination yeah yeah yeah are you guys like creating a little team that's going to like travel around in the offseason

uh maybe I mean George and I kind of go George me Rob and um we we kind of go over there and and Trent Taylor we all have a little team and go play with the like leagues and they just fit us in every once in a while like Wednesday nights and go over there throw some rounds. I love that. It's awesome. Try to get the T-line. I'm pretty sure. Drink some beer. Jared's trying to like start a leak.

Yeah, he is. Yeah. He's doing all that. Talked about Bussam being a part of that too. Be sick. Curling. Get on it. That would be fun.

Yeah. But it's hard to think about like curling from a TV standpoint, like competing with something like pickleball. It would be like ate the Ocho, you know? I mean, like they have the bags and everything. Like, I mean. We would love to commentate the Ocho. Yeah.

That would be a lot of fun. Bag is starting to pick up, I feel like a popular. I saw Deacon Jones. He was on a squad. He was hitting some. Dionne Dawkins. Dionne shots. Dionne Dawkins is like the same team.

He's like one of the like the main guys in that like Las Vegas League. Yeah. Because he had a stuff about doing that and I think late last year about coming and doing that. I think we would get body bag though. Maybe. Those guys are insane though. They're insane.

Yes. Like block in the front. That is a, an actual talent. Yeah. And then they have the slick and the. sticky side like it goes I don't even know that existed until you just said that just now really yeah I thought they were both

the same thing no my brother Cody when we do our cornhole cornhole tournament during the 4th July he comes with his own set of bags and nobody else can play with him no one can touch them yeah nobody else can play with that is a very Cody thing yeah he's like competing you know obviously to win he did not win this year

oh really no you got if you're the only guy to bring your own bags to a party you lose his brother you got to throw those bags I know it is over is that what you want to do when you're done uh i don't know what i want to do you want to curl i mean that'll be part of it probably i don't know what i'll do have you play a lot of golf curl have you curled since the knee injury yeah yeah a couple months ago yeah we were out there yeah i mean it it really hasn't like limited me too much in that fact like i'm still like a normal person after like 12 weeks was when i could kind of start getting back into doing stuff like

I started playing golf because it's my right knee. It's not the left. So I'm not like torquing on it. But yeah, I mean, it's kind of like a normal person now. How's it been doing? It's been great. Yeah. I mean, we're running now, doing a lot of change of direction stuff.

Like, it's honestly, I mean, you know how it is. Like, when you get injured, like your head goes into a dark place. Yeah, it's a dark world. It is. And like, you're not really sure. like what you're going to do or how you're going to be after and then you know like once i got to probably 15 weeks when like 12 they start running let me run and and i got to give credit obviously to a lot of the pts up in minnesota like they've been incredible like super like hey when you're ready is

when we'll start stuff like when you're ready to do this and that's been perfect because it's like at 12 weeks i wasn't on the field you know like i was starting to run in the pool and then i'd transition to the alter G and then I transitioned to the field and that was like the transition period and rather than hammering on it at 12 weeks and going to the field and like just hobbling around like it was a straight progression and then like my confidence goes up and everything's been like a smooth transition so there's been a lot of people helping and now with Jay Hull like it's it's like regular training you know like Jay's the best and he does all this stuff and cutting everything doing doing some routes and like top of route stuff and getting in it.

I'm only five and a half months. And Jorge in their PT spot. Jorge, Griffin, like Maddie P or Maddie Ice up in Minnesota, like Tyler up in Minnesota, those guys. It was a smooth transition because like Ella Trash did my surgery, right?

Thanks, sir. Yeah, incredible. And then I had a, I was with his PT for like three weeks. Then I came down here with Griffin and, Jorge, worked with them for like four weeks. And then I went up to Minnesota. And that was about the time I needed to start running and like lifting and like do the do the stick in and all that stuff, you know, run and stop.

And then it was up there for like a couple months. And then now coming down here and like starting to get back into the route tree with Jay and like coming out of the explosion stuff with Josh. And then, you know, like all that stuff has has been huge. It's been a straight transition that's been incredible. and then I'll go back up to Minnesota on Saturday and then start rolling. How's the, how is the communication as you transitioned from Elitrash's team

down to here with Minnesota going back and forth? Like, was everybody pretty much on the same page? Yeah, that's been like the cool part about it is like, you know, the people up in Minnesota, like Tyler and Maddie have been really like good about, hey, calling Elitrash, making sure like I'm doing the right stuff out there. and then when I came down here, like Maddie came down for four or five days. That's awesome.

That's my head PT guy in Minnesota, you know. So he came down and hung out, watched what I was doing, did some corrections and stuff, and it was like super cool about everything and, you know, said some things that he wanted to put in there and implement. And then he knew where I was at, went up there. Then I went up there and they knew exactly where I was at, like what I was doing. Who you were with. And who I was with.

And then they like trusted like these people down here because, You know, they're the best of the best. And then going up there, transitioned, and then coming down here again, like, start, like, obviously I'm running and doing change the direction and all that stuff. Like, Maddie came down again, like, last week for a couple days and hung out, watched Jay Holt do his stuff. And he's like, dude, this is perfect for you. Like, this is the best stuff for you. That is huge.

I've never heard of an NFL team trainer coming, going somewhere for somebody to check on them. Right, because for everybody, like, tuning in or listening to this, it's usually, teams are very nervous when they want you to stay with them the entire time so that way they can oversee your rehab and everything else so the fact that they're traveling down and getting to know the crews down here like that is big time it's huge it's huge and then it like it gives them confidence for me to come down here too you know like if you ever have anything like they know who you're working with they know exactly what you're doing and they're happy about it because like like i say I mean these guys are the best but you can only tell them that they're the best but when they

come and see it is when they like truly believe you know yeah so it was incredible you talked about that uh the dark place yeah what um there's a lot of different variables when it comes to going a dark place it never everybody hits it yours being the last game of the season yeah yeah because everyone thinks two more left but yeah at the end of the season because everyone legit i don't know if this goes through you all said but you think to yourself if i'm going to get hurt i want it to be early in the year so i can be ready for next year and then once you hit like that week 10 mark you're like Just be nicks and bruises at this point. Exactly.

Did that play into? Yeah, a little bit. How did you think about that? Yeah. And against Detroit. Yeah. Yeah, that was the tough part. There's a lot of layers to the Depression.

Yeah, for sure. For sure. I mean, it was one of those things, you know, like it's week 16, I think, was it when it was. And, like, you know, I'm knocking on a thousand yards. Like, I'm right there. Like, having a good season. Like, obviously. We were fighting for a playoff spot at that point.

Like we needed to win that game and we were, you know, on the way. And, you know, then that was probably my second or third target in that game. And, I mean, you kind of know how to this. Cover two. Stick, nod, like bending in the middle. And then, you know, I turn around, catch the ball. And I look and all I really see is a flash of blue, like underneath me. And it's like, uh-oh, you know, try to stop.

And I feel it. But I kind of thought I just hyper-extended it. I didn't think it was like I didn't hear pop. I didn't hear anything. And then I ran off the field, like just jogged off. And then they checked it. And I was like, uh, what the? That's that small little twist there too.

Yeah. And so it got, it got ACL MCL, right? And then. Impressive, no meniscus. Yeah, nothing with the meniscus. But, um, you know, like, like I said, I mean, I just turned my head around. Um, went up for the ball, turned the head around. And I was like, oh, no.

and then got off the side they were like yeah I think it might be ACL but you know you're like go shower it's done yeah get the MRI and everything so you kind of get a little bit of hope and then finally get the news that night and it's like man that's that's that really sucks but again they did a good job because it was like the MCL I didn't need to get fixed like I had full range of motion after it happened and then they locked me in a brace for about a week to get the MCL to heal down. And then after that, it was like, all right, we need you to get to 120, you know, degrees to get it to bend. And it was like at 100 after they locked me, you know? So it was like that was kind of a big process as trying to get it in. And elitroches are like,

like I said, a really good job. I went out there like a week and a half before surgery. And then his PT guys were just in there cranking on it to get it to bend and do all that. And, you Yeah, it was definitely a dark place because you're like, man, I don't know what's going to happen. Like, am I going to be the player I was? Like, you hear about it. You hear about the ACL injuries and like everything. It's a scary thing.

But, you know, at the point I'm at now, like, I feel really comfortable about being able to come back and be the player I was and even be better. And so that's kind of huge for me. But yeah, like I say, you're not walking. You're like Michaela's my wife is rolling me around like in a wheelchair You go from like feeling untouchable To just getting up if you have to pee in the middle and like bro How am I gonna go do this? I can't? No, I can't and you get to wake up exactly

Your significant other and then just going from going through it like Playing and having your schedule having your routine the way it is and how intense and how like precise it is And then it's like hey you're done and now you're bedridden for however many days weeks. Yeah. Because with a meniscus, it's like you can't put weight on it for six weeks. Yeah. You're locked too.

Locked. And so the only time you take it off is for PT and then you're sleeping with that brace on. Yeah. What those six weeks, like obviously the scaries are hitting you, the depression scares, but like, what are you doing to pass the time? You pick up a little video game? Yeah. Yeah.

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He went in there. He looked at it and when I woke up, he was like, your meniscus looks great. Like, looks perfect. You know, we just had to fix the ACL. The MCL had a stopping point, so we were good there. like you should be good so like that was the best part like you say I was I was nervous that I was gonna get locked in the brace and I was gonna be screwed but like right away they're bending it they're doing everything again trying to get the range of motion back I'm on a bike like so in about

two weeks like it was it was braces on but I'm walking you know and then three weeks brace was off and now I'm walking and so it was kind of like a smooth transition after that but I yeah like I said I couldn't imagine like being locked in the brace for yeah Six weeks. They give you that little machine where you like put your foot in it, like moves it. Yeah, I dreaded it every day. Really? Oh my gosh, dude.

You liked it? I didn't. It's not that I liked it, but like my brain would be like you're getting better just by laying. 100%. Oh, yeah. When it was like 10 degrees every day. They told me 10 degrees every day. So like I started at like 60 or 70 degrees.

Yeah. And it's easy. And then you go 80. And then you go 80. And then like, you know, six days in, you're at like 120. And I'm like, this is like the first two. I might really be Wolverine. Oh, yeah.

I'm super human with this. Like the first two suck. And then you start to get warmed up and you're like, all right, I can do this for how long they want to. How hard has it been to stay patient? Because obviously, as athletes, we all place like expectations on ourselves to get back by a certain timeline. How hard has it been for you to like stay patient throughout the process and kind of

trust what everybody else is telling you? Like going into training camp, I'm sure again, in your mind you have some time that you would like to be back or outdo those expectations. 100%. You know, I think they have done a really good job by like being like, hey, like, I'm not going to let you do this, you know, because I'm, I told them right at the beginning when I did it. And after I got the surgery, I was like, you're going to have to stop me because like I'm

a person that likes to push the limits and like I want to do things and I'll do it. And I'll say it doesn't really bother me even though it probably did a little bit. And so they're, they've been really good about being like, hey, you can't do this, you know? And like now I'm at the point where I can almost do everything. I mean, the only thing right now that's kind of limiting me is I can't run 15 yards and then cut right off of it. Like that's just still dangerous. I could probably do it.

But like they're like, like I said, I'm only five and a half months out. So I got time, you know. It'll be like I think these guys are really smart about the timeline, you know, because like biology is biology. And you come back seven months. There's like a 25% risk of injury. Eight months, like 15, you come back after nine. It's like less than five, you know.

So it's like I think they're going to be really smart with how they do it and how they transition. And they have a lot of science and a lot of like, you know, measurements where they can measure my left to my right now. And so that's huge. But yeah, I mean, like I'm fortunate enough that I'm in the time I am with medicine. and like how everything is and PT and the progression of everything. Because if this happened 10 or 15 years ago, you know, you talked to guys and they're like, yeah, my knee's still screwed up.

But like I said, I'm only at five and a half and it's starting to feel like it was again. You don't have any of that, no pain, nothing? I haven't really had the pain. I mean, like, yeah, like I'll do a little shockwave if I get something, but then it's gone. so I haven't really had the like crazy pain in it. So it's been huge. But yeah, I mean, like I said, I've been, I've been kind of fortunate enough because it's kind of been like a smooth progression.

And I haven't had a day where like, obviously knock on wood, but like I haven't had a day where I'm like, oh shit, this is worse today than it was yesterday. Like I've been a smooth progression up and that's been huge. It's awesome to have a doctor like Elytrosh who has like this, like almost like too confident like cocky kind of attitude about him he drags about the scar yeah but this the the poison which he comes unless he floats into the room and the way he speaks to you're like this is the guy I definitely want doing my surgery and then his team as well I thought when I would spend a couple weeks there I thought they were absolutely incredible amazing unreal dude and it was great

too because like you know I again I was at 120 and then I went I went in for surgery like three days or four day, it might have been five days before I actually had it. Like I went in the day before, like that day, had, was going to have surgery. They shaved my leg. They like give me everything. They put me on, hook me up to an IV. Elitrosh comes in and he's like, he bends my knee. He's like, nope, not there yet. I go home. Like, what do you say not there yet for? Like, because I wasn't at 120. Like I was at like 115 or 118. He's like, nope, not there yet. So it's like, oh, okay. So he sent me home and then I went to the PT like an hour later they were cranking on it and then I got to 120 that day and then five days later I was at like 130 you know so he was like good thing we waited

and then five days later I went and got it and he's like this is going to be perfect like you don't have to worry about anything he's like the surgery went absolutely incredible like couldn't have gone any better you know and I'm like all right let's go. God there's words that make you too feel like let's go you know yeah the uh great job oh was your hit it back into it. Yeah, I was going to say, and with that, TJ, obviously, the boys, we don't play anymore. We're a little washed up. But we are, as you know, with Bustin with the boys.

We got to be a voice of the people. So let's you say we're in the different hobbies. Let's call it fantasy football. Would you advise us to put you on our draft board? Are we looking waiver wire, let's say, London game week five, week six? I don't know. You'll have to call it Roger. I don't know if I'll get in trouble for any inside information.

Fair enough. What a way to try. Yeah, yeah. Like, hey, should we put you on the day one board and we're all in Taylor's house drafting for fantasy football? Yes. Are we looking, hey, my name better be up there. Your name's going to be up there.

Just how far down the list is it on there? Yeah, I think that's for you to decide. Fair enough. Late round guy, late round guy still drafted. Got to. Because you see the article's coming out. They say you're what, return week five? Week six.

And you see, you guys are playing in London. Have you ever played in London before? I haven't, no. There's that. That'd be a little bit of excitement. Yeah, I'm excited to go. Yeah, I'm excited to go. Or hey, thank God I might not have to go to London.

Yeah, because can I tell you something? It sucks. It's a great experience, but it does suck. Yeah, I'm sure the time changes insane. It's, it depends how you do it. You guys are. I think we're doing the three-day thing, yeah. Yeah, you're probably, we're central.

You're probably going to go out, flather on Thursday back after the game. I think so. That is the, I think the best way to do it. As far as, like, you just shocked the body, because you're supposed to sleep all the way there. And on the way back, you stay. up all night, which is a nice little deal because you basically land back in Minnesota. And you have the buy week though, right? Yeah.

You land back in Minnesota like I think in the morning or at night or something like that. It's if it's in a way where you can go to sleep when you land back in the United States. Or you can go to sleep when you land back. Yeah, you might on the way there you throw yourself a little ambient in, knockout for about seven hours. And then it's at the ground run and you got to make special things. Does that work? I've never tried it. Ambien?

Yeah. Yeah, it works. Does it? It does it? Yeah. I did it for our first London game from Washington. Yeah, I think it got me, just goes just as far. It doesn't, it doesn't work, like, it doesn't work that well because you're just,

you're all fucked up anyway. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, before you travel on the plane, you have the rookies or the guys go get whatever it is, let's say pop bellies. And you're eating that as your meal before you get on the plane. You're trying to fall asleep. You can't necessarily fall asleep because it's truly right after practice.

Yeah. And then when you got to make the meetings right when you get there, like it's abysmal. Now, the positive is, coach is usually pretty good and you only do like a helmet's only practice, It's like a walkthrough style just to get. And let's just get off the body under us. Like just put your focus into this voice. We know this sucks. Right.

And the flight home. The food there's not that fucking good. It's ass, dude. Brutal. It's fucking ass. Brutal. Look at that photo. You got fishing chips right there.

That's fish. That's all you'll get. There are eggs over there like the hotel, the hotels that I've been at over there. It's like when they cater the food in the morning or make the food in the morning. The eggs taste different. It's just not that fucking good. Bro, that's, because of. There's like the soggy eggs that you get at most hotels?

Kind of. The soupy eggs. Dude, why do we do that? Just cook it all the way. They'll do. They'll like have those little eggs sitting out. I don't,

what do you even call those? They'll, like hard-boiled kind of. That's a soft boiled egg. That's a poached egg. That's a poached egg. No, though post-ins don't have the shell on it, do they? The bacon's real,

the bacon's real thin, real thin and floppy, not very appetizing. Not a lot of ass behind them. Yeah. But a, uh, London is where 4.5 started by Corey 11.

We get there. On the way there, right? They give us sandwiches. and Corey goes not a whole lot of ass behind this. And we're like, oh, rate it for us, Corey. And he literally described it and then just said 4.5. And that's truly how 4.5 was established.

I don't even know. You know, you've seen this, but a lot of people think it's Shane's been. I know because of something's burning. Something's burning. That is truly, that's actually Corey Levin. Yeah. I was going to give us the credit, but that's Corey Levin's joke.

That is Corey Levin's joke. That is core.5 is a rating system that we do. But we never do 4.5 out of blah. We just give a description. And at the end say 4.5 in the, whole rating system is based on the description you get right so if I were to say it could be out of 10 or it could be the best 4.5 you've ever heard or the worst 4.5 but we know we know in life nothing's perfect that's why it's always a 4.5

even it's out of 4.6 that's wisdom right there that is always always always a little piece to get better yeah we did our wedding in Hawaii like three weeks ago hey congratulations on that thank you I appreciate congratulations on that that that time change coming back kicked my ass yeah that is five hours like behind then I had to do a photo shoot the next day sucked I was photo shoot for the yeah oh no no no yeah like yeah like yeah something cool yeah yeah something cool yeah unreal yeah how is your how was your game in the proposal uh it was good it was super chill like we're we're kind of like uh we're we're

we're two people that are small town people obviously and it's not like it's not like like a big ordeal you know like what did you do tell us about your bag well she's a she's a big horse person so like we did it at her mom her mom's got some land out in eastern Tennessee and yeah there you go she got some land out in eastern Tennessee so we did a little horseback ride and then after we were out in the middle of the field or whatever and I got down and she got down and we we hung out for a second and then it You all love just dudes, bro. Such a dude story talking about his feelings.

You know, we were in the fields and I asked her, bro, talk about how nervous you were too asked. Oh, insane. Everybody wants to get the ring. I was not nervous even like on the, on the like horse ride. It wasn't more nervous at all. And then when we got on our feet on the ground, I was like, shaking. Yes, bro.

It is so scary. Even when you make the decision, you're like, this is going to be the person. Oh, yeah. And you feel so good about once the ring like. And you know they're going to say it's in your hand. You're legit like, oh my God, what am I doing? It's the scariest thing ever. Yeah, it is.

How did you ask? Do you have a nice little, do you write a little something out? Or did you just say, hey, listen, here's the deal. Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, I kind of blocked out. So she could tell you a little better. I mean, she says I just said, I love you, right? What do you marry me?

I don't know. Was she crying? Yeah. Were you crying? Yeah. No, I wasn't then. But at the wedding, I had some tears coming out. Let's go, man.

Did you guys do the whole, like, don't see each other the day of the wedding thing? Yeah, no, we didn't. She didn't sleep in, like, in the same room with me the night before. Traditional cats, I like that. Traditional, yeah. Going to heaven for sure. Yeah, that's the plan, man. Thank the Lord above.

No doubt. But, no, it's been fun. Yeah, it was an incredible experience. We were out there for a week with just both of our families and a couple, like, real close friends. And it was 30 people and did boat rides, like, played golf, chilled out. That was good. Super intimate. That's a little deal, man.

Hawaii is a beautiful destination. Did Neil gift you some, uh, a crystal piece for the wedding ring to sit on? No, he, so Neil got us meat from, like, as a wedding gift. Yeah, like, hell yeah. Yeah, wagoo beef, sorry. And sent it to our house. From where? Do you know where?

I don't remember where he sent it from, but it's incredible. Like, dude, he was on the phone for like an hour one day. I think, JP, you were in the car. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Diamond J. Wagyu from I think that's what it was. Yeah. Because he like, you know,

he just probes you on Costco and fucking, you know, yoga. Yeah, but this has nothing on Costco. He's like, this is the best. You can't go anywhere.

Miozate Costco? No, he loves Costco. He loves it. You get the king crab legs. That's what I mean. He just talks about Costco. You'd be hard fought to find a person that doesn't enjoy Costco.

Yeah. He's big on Costco. You brought it that you and your wife are both from like small towns. how much of a culture shock was it for you when you got in the NFL all this money people wearing jewelry driving rolls royces around coming from a small town yeah i try not to get caught up in that fact but yeah it was nuts i mean when you go and like obviously from a small town you know like like who you're talking to you know but then we go to a big city and they know you but you don't know them it's a little weird you know like yeah uh hey dj however you know and you're like hey man like what's going on Like, how are you? What's your name?

You know, that kind of thing. You get stuck in the awkward, like, am I supposed to know this guy? Yeah, like, yeah, that's kind of what it was. And no, but like the whole Rolls-Royce, like, all that kind of stuff. Like, I've never got to, I've never been like an intangible person. Like, I don't need certain things to feel, you know, successful, I guess. Did you ever felt like kind of like you should maybe get something because you're in the NFL? Did you ever feel like you see all the people, you see these 10-year-old?

vets with all these things. You know he's got it so nice for himself. Yeah, no question. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There is that small town cat in you that's like, I'm always going to be a small town cat. I'm always going to be a Bontan, Missouri, a Cape Creek, Arizona, dude.

And then you get to the league and you see these guys rocking, you know, Mazzarotti's and that, you're like, maybe I should get something for myself? And there's always that, like, that fight of character. Yeah, you got to fight. But there's always a little bit of a deal where you're like, should I be doing this though? Oh, 100%. Yeah.

Yeah. I get that a lot. Yeah. Like a little demon on this shoulder and then one like chirping my ear on the lens. Yeah. And then you get something nice and you're like, I wonder what my boys would say back home. Oh, you're driving this now? You've changed.

You've changed. Have I changed? That's the worst. Yes. That really gets you in your head. It really does, ma'am. Yeah. Off that what has been your biggest purchase, because you signed a nice little hefty deal not too long ago.

Biggest purchase so far? Yeah, like something that you've been like, all right, I'm going to splurice now on myself. I got some land. I got some land. You got some land. We're at? I got some land in Iowa. 150 acres.

Let's go. I feel like Brandon Sheriff did the same exact thing. Yeah, I mean, well, I'm looking for some down here, but it's insane. You got 150 acres in Iowa? Okay, after you spent that $47, what did you own get? That is a one. Oh, that's crazy. Oh, great deal.

$1,000 bucks in acre. How much that cost, $150,000? $300,000. No, come on. You're right. Way less. What is it? What?

it's dude people love hunting in Iowa like it's straight hunting land so like what but what's the real estate out there like a per acre uh because in missouri like in missouri it was like one to five thousand it's probably like 10 8 to 10 like in where i was looking because it's like like I said it's like the best hunting land that you can get you know so so you got some stands out there you got a camp set up some stands some cams like I mean the I think the state record at least don't quote me on this but this is what I was told the state record yeah of course the state record was probably like

15 or 20 miles away from my land that was a buck so yeah dude hunting is such a thing that I want to be into so bad it's fun I want to be that guy yeah you just aren't no I just I don't think I've had enough access I went and did uh I was gonna say you kind of just we did the meet either thing I gotta get you on that trip too

to yeah yeah but like I have a bunch of boys that are always like you should come hunting with me. You should. And I just don't. And I should. But when I do go, I think to myself, it would be great to do this more.

But then I get by myself again, I'm like, where do I fucking start? I can buy the gun. But after that, it's like, I'm just going to walk around. It was like, oh, you're supposed to sit here for a war? Yeah. Oh, bro.

Yeah. You can go down a rabbit hole for sure. It's just a crazy world. I just feel like I'm so far behind now. It's hard for me getting to it. Because you get around the meat eater guys like Steve and them. And they're just encyclopedias when it comes to hunting this, that.

the other of all the things you can do and it's like man do i really want to dive into this world and i don't know all that like i'm not on that level yeah but you could probably make a duck call you could yeah i can make a fire i can call on a turkey yeah like i can i can do all that but i mean i don't know a lot of that stuff like i'd love to go hunting in alaska like they talk about like elk hunting moose hunting bear grizzly that'd be so sick there's a buddy of mine that was like he was falling this bear for a long time and like five or six miles and they were tracking it and then the bear they turned around and the bear was tracking that oh shit and so like a mexican standoff yeah like that's that's scary yeah like you'd have to have a guide for that but

yeah i think that would be sick like this is how green i am like i was in canada camping with my family for 12 out of 14 days and legit every morning i woke up i was kind of nervous i want my wife to with me outside. I said there'd be like bears and coogers everywhere. Didn't see either. Yeah. But I just think to myself, these motherfuckers are out here. Right.

Oh, 100%. They're out there doing their thing. Yeah. My brother's like big into, like, going to Colorado and like camping. He's got a Jeep that's like all set up. He's got a rooftop tent, all that. And he'll go out. And he's like lights at campfire.

And then he finds like a little wooded area. And he's got his dog. But his dog will like just growl into the woods like around him. And like he'll hear like cracking. and stuff and he's just like can't think about it you know you can't think about it but like he's also got a you know a gun on his hip and everything but like that that's that's scary yeah being out there by yourself no one around anywhere canada it's like tough to get a gun they don't really do the whole gun thing up there really so you do a hand-to-hand combat with a bear like that is just

have a little pocket night that's crazy I'd feel so much safer I've had like a give me even a 22 something like I can just crack off hey hey you know give me a pellet gun just get yeah just get Yeah, something, man. But it is kind of scary. It's so funny seeing my wife and her mom, and they're just like, yeah, it would be fine. It's fine. And I'm thinking myself, bro, it's not. Because I'm the only, you get a dude here.

We are not fine. We're not fine. Because I'm thinking, if something does happen, I've got to be the one to sacrifice myself. The whole women and children first thing, the Titanic. I'm the only guy out there. Yeah. And they're saying it's going to be fun. It's like, yeah, because I have to die.

Right. You know, I'm the first sacrificial lamb. Yeah. And I'm just, I don't know if I'm. enough to do it brother. Like a pack of wolves would be the scariest. See, I don't think so, man. What do you have? Like a pack of wolves? Like, you talk about. A pack of wolves would be... That'd be insane. That's what I mean. Like, I would rather see a grizzly than a pack of wolves. I don't know, dude. See, you would piss down your

leg. Pissed down your leg. If you were to pack of wolves out there, but one dog's gone. You see a bunch of wolves. No, no, so you see a bunch of wolves. It's like, all right. Like, you know shit's not going to go your way, but there's a... In my mind, you're going to take one of those fuckers out first. Okay. Or at least get a couple punches. You see a big, like, there's a bear. There's a video I just saw a bear like rummaging through and photos can take

of it and it's just a, I mean, that's pretty. JP, you got something to say, grab the mic, man. Well, and then they like... And by the way, if it is one wolf, like, you like your chances, right? Yeah, that's different. Yeah, that's different. Yeah, I like, but you're talking a pack of wolves. Like, they're chirping from each angle.

Like, you're like, where... Angles. Like, yeah. Like, which one's coming at me first. But part of me is, like, if I just see one, I'm like, I'll start fighting this one. Then eventually I'm going to get took. But like you see a bit like you see that motherfucker right there just looking at you.

That is so much scary. Bears to me I'd be scariest. And people in Canada, people up in Canada are like, oh, you don't have to worry about bears. You got about cougars. Because you don't see them until they got you. I'm thinking, oh my God. JP, you had something? Look at this dude, pulled a pistol out. Yeah, of course. You filled in.

You checked yourself. We were having an argument about would you rather fight a giraffe or a wolf? I find a wolf A giraffe or a wolf? Yeah A giraffe is like stomping on you

Everybody was unanimous Except for JP What? And Look at this One-on-one Look at that thing I don't think they're getting as low

As you are though That's what I'm saying But you're getting stomped No dude I was at the I was at the Nashville Zoo And I was feeding like lettuce Exactly

Their herbivores Came out His face is here And then he stuck His tongue Their tongues are this long They got that Will Compton. Showing that thing a quick little.

Ha! That boy can definitely touch his nose. But dude, yeah. And they got them, they got the horns on top. They just, they just, put that thing on you. Wolves to me, I was just a, that's a dog, dude. Y'all have to see Lord of the Rings. I'm fucking a wolf up.

They're bigger than a dog. I know they're like 145 pounds, but I'm telling you, bro. Yeah. I mean, there's a pack of wolf taking a, yeah, Taitonka. I mean, we've all seen the gray, right? I have not seen the gray, right? But I've seen this scene where he's like breaking the body. Tapping his hands and he sees the wolves

I've seen that scene on Instagram Which is like, yeah, that's crazy See, that's a whole bunch of boys working together Yeah, let let JP get some words in Oh no, have you seen Lord of the Rings? Yeah No, when I was like I was like a scared Legless and them are taken down mammoths

And a mammoth Would be a whole lot tougher to take down And then a giraffe This is a fictional movie It's a fictional situation Bro A giraffe is fucking you up First off, to get to any main artery, you've got to climb up a damn tree to get that thing.

They're not even killers. Who? Giraffes. They'll kill your ass, no question. We'll see. You're a giraffe out there listening to the show. Pull up. This is the clip we're talking about that's realistic.

You are a crazy person. Just climbing out there. The most insane shit ever. Bro, what are you talking about? Just this dude climbing up a 30-story elephant. Just this dude. It's Orlando Bloom, bro. Yeah, who was he playing?

Like the look. I went and saw the first Lord of the Rings with my grandmother when I was like 11 years old. And the one with the guy, one of the main dudes is like hiding behind a tree and these dudes on black horses are chasing him. I looked at my grandma. I was like, we got to get out of here. It was too scary for me. You're Gimley. I don't know.

I'm going to take that as an insult, I guess. Don't laugh like that, man. You can't laugh at jokes I don't know. But yeah, you got to take down a wolf, ma'am. A singular wolf, that's not. A singular wolf for sure. I mean, we're going to lose to a single wolf, but we have better chances against a wolf. Easier death against a giraffe.

It just soaps you're done. Wolf might tear your arm apart, might get your foot. Yeah. And you just suffer. Wait a minute. You think you're taking down an alpha wolf? I think I'm taking down like a mother wolf. No.

Like an old wolf or a baby wolf. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. An older one, like one that's been in the block for a minute, dude. Can I admit something? Yeah. I've started the keeps process. Good, dude. On what?

My corners. Do you see the light corners that are happening? Okay. Yeah. You see them? I see them a little bit. Yeah. I've started like putting the dripper.

A nice little V. The dripper on it. Yeah, yeah. Nice little Vee. I think at this stage of the game for like hair loss, for hair loss or we like retrieving your hair, it's no longer a taboo deal. Like you play in the NFL for nine years. You do it. You're right.

I shouldn't be embarrassed. No. I started doing keeps. I started doing keeps. I started doing keats. Ryan Ralecker. I was on the phone with somebody that we know I will not say on this on this show right now who was like, dude, I'm going to do I'm going to get hair transplants.

I was like, you should just run that and just do it and be proud of it. Yeah. Yeah. I think the problem is, though, I don't know which parts of my head I'm going to, parts of my hair I'm going to lose. So I feel like if I fix like the corners right now, what if something came later on? Go back. I mean? You just go back.

It's going to be the sooner you do it, the less dramatic, the change is going to be. Yeah. Because they just take the little back part. They take this part right here and they just put it up here. And you can do 20,000. Hey, let's see you in a couple months from now. I think Keeps is going to get me right. I think you should go to Turkey.

After Keeps. I mean, Keeps is going to save your ass, but... What's in Turkey? That's where, like, people go to your hair transplants. Oh, really? Yeah, they actually have, like, a crazy medical system up there, but... It's pretty nuts. I've been a little wormhole with those things.

But there's, like, a bunch of, like, videos of people flying back from Turkey, and they all got, like, the coldest sack with the bandages on top, because that's, like, it's, like, cheap and, like, well done there. That's wild. Get in, get off. it out dude kirk got his hair done and i don't think it's like a known thing oh well hey now you know yeah i think i think i've i think i've said it a couple times on the pod before let's hope for his sake yeah i get to see him like the day after his face was all puffy and so on i was trying to get a photo

he wouldn't let me take a photo it's like you with your little jiblet teeth i can't get that photo i know i showed you though you showed me but i want the photo i know you do i would never post it unless yeah he did he said he showed me a little photo of him because he had like you had the temps or before they put the temps on? I put the, yeah, they shaved it down and then I got the temps. So I was at your wedding with the temps in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then a couple weeks later they get the, you know,

the moldings and everything else to put them. So do you have all of them or is it just just the top, just the top eight? Because they're like based on the way I talk and smile and everything else, you only see my top ones. Okay. Yeah. I would show my bottom ones, but they're a little off tone and a little off color. Yeah, but yeah. They gave me some whitening to do to match it and I just

never got to it. Never got to it. Busy schedule. Busy schedule. Yeah. busy. I got the white out here that you got down here. Yeah, speaking of you get TSA pre check it? J.P. Oh, bro. You're TSA pre? Oh, yeah. I know. Dude, we were in, we were in Vegas and I was essentially lecturing JP on you need to get it and he's like, I'm going to do it on Monday. That was two weeks ago. That was two Monday. Today's Monday though. Today's Monday. But you're not signed up right now. You challenge me to have to buy something that already have. No, you challenge

yourself. You go, I got to do this before. Yeah. It was like before you're like you put in a for it. Right. And then you have to make another schedule for it to go get your fingerprints. Dude, you fill it out online. You fill out all this stuff online and you just go to the Staples, which from this spot right here, there's a staples four minutes away. Yeah. And you just pay $75 and they like, did you do your fingerprints? I don't think so. They got you, bro. That's global entry.

Oh, I had to do my fingerprints. My fingerprints are out there. I had criminal record. All of them boys are on there. Oh, no. And they gave you pre-check with criminal? I mean, they got put down the misdemeanors. You know, I worked it all out. Hired a good team.

Yeah. Shout out, Michigan. Yeah, but you're not going to do that today because CFB 25 comes out in about an hour. No, bro. What time we had, it's 2 o'clock on a Monday. The game releases if you got the deluxe edition, which we did, you can start playing college football. One hour. One hour from now.

Are you as fired up for that as it seems like everybody is? Yeah, but I don't have. No, you're not. No, I mean, I'm not like as fired up as everybody else is. But, like, I got my, I don't have my PlayStation down here. in Minnesota. You know a 5 guy? Yeah.

You know what I think it is? Are you an Xbox guy? Mm-hmm. The problem is he's young. So your whole time in college, you were not in the game. I bet he was playing NCAA 14, though. Yeah, it was. Yeah.

There's something different about. C.J. Fedorowitz. Something about being in the game, the 14. Yeah. I'm so stoked for it. Do you know I was overall? No. Do you?

84? I mean, that defense. That's when the brats. That's when the brats. is too. Stop it. Hey, you like, how he showed you on your birthday? Yeah, get out of here.

What happened? I saw that. I was like, I'm not even a reply. He tweeted and goes, it was his birthday. He's like, I appreciate everybody for all the birthday wishes. I'm blessed or very blessed or whatever it is. And I said, you're not blessed. You went to Iowa.

And he just put him into oblivion on his birthday. I was like, what? You got him, man. That's crazy. You got them. Yeah. Yeah, I think this game's going to end a lot of people's relationships and careers. I heard the field goal thing is hard.

I haven't seen that. It goes like super fast that a meter does. Does it really? Yeah. I mean, it should be difficult if you're trying to kick a game winning field goal. See, this is where, dude. I know you want the game to be a video. You want it to be a video game.

Yeah, I think. I mean, but college kickers are worse, right, in the NFL. So it should be harder. And not only that, but we're talking like a route tree. If you want to give a receiver a hot route, they have 12 different routes that they can run. So you can, like, build, your own system like on the fly.

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H2H2H3, which is all great. And that's awesome. Yeah. But I'm... That's a lot of controls. When I look at like NCAA 14, how simple the game is as far as like you got your juke moves. You can do X, Y, Z.

If you press harder, it's more of a bullet pass. If you tap it, it kind of arcs it over. And then you go to Madden. It just seems like they put so much realism into it. that it kind of takes away the enjoyment of playing the game. And I am more of a pessimistic when it comes to... You're more of a casual. You're more of a Joe.

Separates the pros and Joe's. Yeah. I like the casual stuff. No, I'm with you, though, because I don't play the game as much as I probably could or what, like, should. Yeah, but you play real life, though. Yeah. I don't want to know, have to learn all the controls every time I play. I can't wait.

It should be easy. It's going to be fun to see. I just, I couldn't have come in a better time. Are you a dynasty in with Nebraska or what? Oh, yeah. Come on. That would be. Honestly, probably the best team to do a dynasty with.

I'm clearly biased. I'm clearly biased. But I'm talking like the parameters of what would be a good, a good team to start a dynasty. What are the parameters? For me, it's like you got, we got Raola, so you got good, a good young quarterback who's at first. To start a good dynasty.

Somebody who's not like above 90. You want a team that you can build up to be like a five-star program. I think Nebraska is sitting around a three or three-and-a-half star. That's tough because they were five in 2014. They were. But they were. They were. They were.

A lot of the streamers are saying, like, Nebraska is, like, the best team to do it because of exactly what you're saying. Like, they're in the Big Ten, they have Ryola. They have, like, some good players, and, like, you can bring it. You can bring, like, Nebraska back to start. And when you're playing.

That guy really wants to keep his job. When you're doing, Mitch. When you're doing recruiting, I'm sure there'll be challenges. I'm sure there'll be challenges trying to recruit guys to your school since you're not like a premier school. Let's just do it as a tier talk, then. Okay.

Best dynasties. My tier one is Nebraska. Okay. Are you aware of your talk? Yes. All right. We started three. Go to one,

obviously, you can give out of mentions you can want. But we're going to do best dynasties. Best teams have started dynasty with on CD- Do you do them all at once? Or do we do three and then?

Snake draft style. That's what we do with kiddle in the stadiums. We could do that again if we want. So once one gets drafted, it's off the board? It's off the board. Okay. So we'll go.

Okay. I like that. I like it now. So we started tier one then pretty much. Because you start a tier one. You're doing. your first pick. All right.

Honors. DJ. Yeah. I'm doing a Hawks, obviously. God, you should have took Nebraska.

I know. I thought he was going to. I was trying to serve them all. I know. The Hawks would be a good one too. Yeah. 185. Yeah.

You got yes. And then you can, if you're going to get players, you can get a bunch of on offense too. Mm-hmm. Phil Parker really in the defense. But that's like Iowa football, man.

Never score over 20. They don't have to. Play good, hard-nosed defense. You guys never have to. What you mean? Because the defense is so good. They're keeping them under 20 every time.

Those last two games you guys played, though. But also didn't the OC get fired last year? Yes. Yeah, Brian. Yeah. So that's a positive, right? Well, I mean, yeah. Was he your OC?

Yeah. I love Brian. So I know you're not going to. So that was a little different. But they had a lot of energy. You like scoring 10 points a game. We didn't score 10 points a game. We scored a lot more.

Oh, come on now. I don't know how many. Look it up. What's Michigan's waiting in the game? 2017. 2018. It should be 94. I mean, I would need to more offense.

So you call it what it is, well. Yeah, I mean, but they're a pro-style offense. I mean, in college, college is a little, like, that's a little different, right? Because everybody's doing spread now. But. They're adapting with the times. Yeah, I mean, but it's, I mean, they have more people go to the league because of it. Well, tight ends. You guys have tight ends.

Well, yeah, but a line too. Some old line, too. He's have tight ends, old linemen, and a white defensive players. Oh, yeah, bro. Yeah. How about that? Cooper DeGine. That's got to be the proudest moment for.

you are what you guys produced the first white db since like 1800s yeah yeah no that is wild i mean de jean's insane though like if you go back and like watch him playing basketball and stuff too like he's just a freak athlete so taylor i could totally be reading this wrong but michigan is not listed in the top 25 on cfb 25 that's incorrect it's got to be it's got to be because that's those are all offensive car records when they go Oh, those are offensive. Okay.

No bad ideas. No bad ideas. Because I do think they're not, they're definitely not below an 83 overall as a team. Yeah. We're, I think ranked in the top 10. You guys lost,

going into the season. You guys lost a lot of offensive power. Yeah, but you know. Good linebacker. You guys lost a good linebacker. Right. Good boy.

We got JJ now. I know, dude. I want to talk about that too. And it sucks you brought that up just now because we're in pure talk. So remind me to talk about that. Because you go with a lot of good quarterbacks. Yeah.

And just footnote that. Nebraska with my first pick. What are they? 88? Slept on. I love it. I love that. All right.

I'm going to Nebraska for all things we talked about. You got a young freshman quarterback who's an 80 overall. He's going to be trending upward very fast. You're talking middle of the pack in offense and defense. I think they're like an 84 across the board. 84 overall, 84 offense, 84 defense. There are three and a half star program on CFB 25. you got an opportunity to build them back up to what they were back in the 90s.

Some also say the Pellini era. I'm going to go with Nebraska. I think a great foundation to build. It makes it recruiting a little challenging, which I think will be very fun. So Nebraska, my first overall pick. Yeah. Based on the parameters, I've just been told that that's a good pick. And I wasn't going to pick Michigan because I thought they would be rated higher.

I thought they'd be in that upper echelon, like in the 90s. But I'm going to, you know, I'm not going to take Michigan. I'm going to leave Michigan off the table. I'm going to pick a team like... Ohio State. No. I actually hate that I'm picking this, but it might be the best pick, and that's South

Carolina. If you think about it, I mean, you got that cat you were just telling me about who has the acceleration of the speed of 99, but you've also got... What's his name? Nick Harbor. Nick Harbor. You've got a program that is in a prestigious conference that has been a middle to lower

pack and you want to bring that prestige back or to a program that hasn't had a whole lot of success and kind of run a conference that is arguably the best. We all know a second best conference, but arguably the best conference, I think the Gamecox is a good pick.

That's my pick. And if you throw it on Heisman mode and like take your licks and try to get like, say, seven, eight win season, like you have some challenges that will make that dynasty fun. Yeah.

Which I've never really done before. That's a good pick. They were, they were, that's who I wanted for my second. Yeah. That's what I wanted for my second. And I wanted to leave Michigan out of it because Michigan is a tough dynasty pick just because they won the national championship last year. Yeah, they've lost a lot of guys, but they are top dogs.

They're top dogs in the food chain. Some say it's not a good look. They lost a lot of guys. Yeah, it could be not a good look to grab my team, but at the end of the day, like, we're playing make-believe right now. I'm more care about what's going to happen during the season. And we'll find out September 7th when Michigan takes on the longhorns. That's going to be a great game.

I know. but we're not going to fucking be there because you Colorado Nebraska like that's a bigger game it's not come on will I'm telling you and everyone in here is probably going to agree with me that that is not a bigger guy I'm going because I

fucking I love you bro and I know that game means so much to you but I'm pretty sure we'd like to see the Longhorns who were in the college football playoff last year versus the reigning national champions in Ann Arbor Michigan I'm I'm pretty sure we'd rather that would you guys rather be

yet. Look at them. Don't say his. You guys know my name. Well, I have the mic. Say it loud. I think if a couple things go a different direction for Nebraska last year, they could have won some games.

They could have made some noise and made the playoff, making this year's game a little bit more interesting. But. Slash, I want my job. There it is. It's smart. Michigan versus Texas is the game. That's the game.

Without a doubt. Okay. Mitch. I hate that we have to do this right now. Yeah, I mean, Michigan, Texas is where you got to go. I need more built-to-board material for my season. Michigan, Texas, for sure. Garrett, I think if the game was in Austin, I would go to that one.

But I like the Memorial Game Day atmosphere better. You look how quiet it is? Quiet, how quiet. Hey, you know week two that she was going crazy. I went to a game in Memorial last year, and it was quiet after the first quarter. That's a different time, bro. It cheated. Bro, what is...

Is that the home opener? The definition of insanity. No, I'm talking about it. Here's what I mean by that. Let me hear JPs. South Carolina's got Kentucky on the seven. All right, but that's not one of the choices. Yeah, Michigan, Texas.

And it's insane. You're just trying to go against the ground? He's right. He's right, though. The atmosphere is better at Nebraska than Michigan, but the teams are better for Michigan versus Texas. You wouldn't want to go to Austin? I would want to go to Austin, yeah, but also going to Michigan, I would want to go to Michigan.

And it's gotten a lot louder, by the way, guys. You should know that. It's gotten a lot louder. I think it was actually rated top 25 loudest stadiums. It was in the 20s. It was in the 20s for sure. Iowa's got to be up there. Iowa does get kind of loud.

Iowa was a fun atmosphere. But. Because they put the fans right up on you. All that being said, I'm going to go to your game. No, I know. And the point I was going to make is with Michigan coming in, like being the number one overall team, it didn't take much of absolutely deflate that entire stadium

because you're right. But I'm saying the expectation going to this year, we're in the spot to where the expectations are like, yo, we really got a shot. And week two of Colorado. Not that. What? The expectation is make a bowl game.

Listen, I'm telling you right now, the expectation is not to just win six games, bro. Is that what you're trying to tell me that all Nebraska, we're just rooting for six wins this year? If you, if we get to the end of the season and you guys are a 500 team you're going to be so proud.

No, I'm going to call for rules heads. Shut the fuck. There's no way, dude. I'm going to have to throw my hat in the ring. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This wasn't the thing I saw. This wasn't the thing I saw.

Take that off the screen. Take that off the screen. It was in the top 25 quietest. That's not what I saw. That's the thing with the internet, man. You can find anything to support it whatever you want. Who is your second round pick? I would take Texas.

Manning, you got the quarterback. He's not even starter. He's not? Well, still on the team. I don't know. I just like Texas. I don't know. Texas is a cool program.

Yeah, like I grew up, like, watching them, going to a lot of their football games, baseball games, and so I kind of just like them. So I would pick. All right. Yeah. Okay. Period.

Let me go. I wasn't a huge fan of that pick. I like the Texas. pick you got the young quarterbacks you know but you are a team that's already you're already establishing yeah they're already establishing like he's somebody he's somebody who wants to go in and with you can only fail yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and from my understanding i've never played dynasty before you want to pick a team that maybe doesn't have the prestige you want to have yeah with my with my own i think i'm going to go with uh the university of miami i think that'd be a very fun

that's a good pick that's a good thing back to life in the acc at the moment um i'm going to go with Miami. The recruiting would be a lot easier down in Florida, but that would be a fun team to bring back. Give me Hawaii for my pick. I play an NCAA 14,

man. I remember making creative players and just going to Hawaii and being like, let me just bring this conference who has never seen the light as far as having any prestige at all and bring them some success.

Make Hawaii Honolulu a hot bed for recruiting where all the boys and girls want to come and be a part of a national championship team. Hawaii's my second pick. That'd be a very challenge. challenging one too. I respect that pick.

I also really don't know what I'm doing right now. I'm just saying shit. I'm just throwing people out there. Yeah. No, I'm with you. I think the Air Force would be sick. Damn. Oh, let's go.

Let's go. Got to support the military. Yes. Yes. Have to. Man, I want to hit a fun when there are a few out there. But I think where I'm going to dial in on it. I was thinking about them,

but I think it's going to be, I don't know. That's a fun one. Let's go. Let's go Arizona. Let's go Arizona. Fun team right now, Big 12.

I don't know if I want that one. Take it off the board. Colorado will. Colorado would be fun, but again, they got two of the best players in the game. It's like to me, in my opinion,

you'd be able to, with Charder and Travis Hunter, you'd be able to win very fast, in my opinion. because I was dabbling with you got Arizona I like Missou Missou would be fun

Kansas would be fun Kansas would be fun Kansas State would be fun let's go Mizzu let's go Mizzu because we're talking SEC they're a fun school

it would take a lot to build that program and really compete year in and year out in high as mode in the SEC I'm going to go with MZ

and they had that DN that came out in 2013 that's your favorite Oh yes what was his name again Sam something Sam what was his last name

I can't remember I remember. I only remember him from the videos. Is it Michaelson? Yeah, I can't remember. I can't remember. Now that you say it, Michael Sam. Yeah, my pick is going to be Arizona State University. I think Dillingham out there.

And I, dude, I talk about this all. I have no idea why ASU is not a hotbed for recruiting. You're in Tempe. You have Old Town Scottsdale. You got Phoenix. You have sun every single day. You literally got great. girls going to school in their bikinis.

Like, it's one of those schools where it's like, you got Blue Mountain State written all over it. Yeah, but the facilities suck. Yeah, they suck because they've never been good. Right. Yeah. So you go, you bring some boys in there that can really get it done. And then all of a sudden, the money starts coming.

But guys aren't the theatrics. Arizona by far is the most like fair weather fan base of all the states, I believe. They don't give a shit about sports teams unless they're good. And the minute you start getting good at ASU, it is going to be a crazy pride all around it. You didn't go there. Yeah, you're right. I was trying to go to the league. And everybody who's trying to play high-level college football wants to go to the league.

And all you got to say is, hey, don't worry about all that external bullshit. You want to come to a real program, an NFL hotbed. You come here because you're going to spend the majority of your time in the facility. Yeah. An argument to that is, you can enjoy everything and also be a star immediately. You can build something beautiful. And that lay a foundation for a prestigious university. And you can be one of the pillars that stands on with your statue sitting outside because there's only Patrick Tillman.

And you're the example. You did not go there. Yeah, you're right. I didn't. Well, N. There was never, ASU offered me. I thought, hell yes. But no.

No shot. Yeah. Like official visit. Let's take one. A big reason why I didn't go to ASU is a bunch of kids from Swarrow. We're going to ASC. And I was like, I don't want to play with these guys. But you can't win with your guys.

I don't know, put these dudes. Yeah. Will NIA help them? What? Will NIL help Arizona State? They got to find somebody to give them money. No. No.

Dude. NIL helps the biggest programs. The programs like Michigan, like a Nebraska, like these schools that have a lot of history and a huge alumni. Michigan has one of the largest living alumni. So they will have a bunch of people give money and they have people that, you know,

the guy who owns the dolphins also owns Michigan. Look at Ohio State. If they win this year, it's not because of their culture or how awesome they are. It's because they spent the most money and most NIL money out of any program. And talk about Astrid. Everyone talks about Michigan.

That's an aster written all over. You guys didn't earn that. You guys bought that. Yeah, I mean, you guys had some pretty hefty allegations last year. Yeah, and where are they now? Still there. They're fucking gone. People don't give a fuck anymore.

Still pending. Hardball dipped. Everyone's like, I guess we're cool. I guess we're cut. I'm going to run more now. Yeah. NIL helps teams that, you're only going to know what kind of walls that they have if they pour into the facilities.

You don't have anybody that pours into any facilities at Arizona State. So even though you think that NIO would help them, I'm pretty sure there's, you got all these boosters and not backing up the brink trucks to go pay for a roster. You know what I mean? They have so many holes too. But that's why I think ASU is a great pick for Dynasty because now you get to make all that happen. For sure.

And Dillie's the man. Dilley's the man. The thing I love about Dillingham, that's a head coach for ASU, he doesn't want to go anywhere else. That's where he's wanted to be forever. Born and bred Arizona cat, went to high school with him. And that's where he just wants to be. That's what the Texas Tech baseball coach said too. before he went to Texas.

Mm-hmm. Well, great point. That's a good point. Dillie is the man, though. You sit there in his office and listen to his passion. He oozes with it. Really? Yeah.

That's dope. Yeah, you like him. Bring back your reminder, J.G. McCarthy. J.J. McCarthy. Now, you play with a lot of good quarterbacks. We can get into that in just a minute, but you talk about the 11th overall pick of a national championship winning team.

J.J. McCarthy comes in after Kirk Cousins is now in Atlanta. What did you see from the boy? Yeah, he's been incredible. Has he? Yeah. Well. Fuck you. He seemed like a worker.

Yeah, no, he is. He's grinding in the film room. He's grinding in the classroom. Like, he's a baller on the field, obviously. But, like, to have a guy, like, especially a rookie, you know, when you come into a facility and to the league, like, you usually need to shut your mouth and, like, go to work. And that's exactly what he did.

Like, he's earned the respect of a lot of guys in there. Obviously, we have Sam Darnold, too, who is a ball. and can play the game at a really high level. So it'll be interesting what happens with those two. But I'm excited that JJ's on our team and on our squad. I mean, like I said, he's a leader. He did that in Michigan. And, you know, I'm sure it'll carry over to the league just as well.

Before the draft happened, were you pretty bummed that Kirk went to Atlanta? Yeah, I mean, you know, I love Kirk. I mean, just a great dude, but you can't fault a guy. I mean, you can only play this game for so long. And so, you know, you may as well make the most of it as, you know, that he's done. I mean, he's made a lot of money in this league. And so you can't fault him at all. And obviously that's where Julie, his wife is from.

And so they have their roots down there and they have family down there. And, yeah, I mean, I wish nothing but the best for Kirk. I mean, just A-list guy, like just such a good dude. Tom Nodge cat. Yeah, like, I mean, he still texts me like, hey, how are you doing what's going on you know like hey can you you have any plays that you know like that we ran last year that would be good that you remember you know stuff like that it just keeps in touch and so you got to love that for my guy you know because it's not at the end of the day it's not

just you were a teammate you know you're a friend and so that's that's pretty sweet from him you've got to play with some awesome quarterbacks as taylor was saying how would you if you did tear him out Oh, that's, that's aggressive. Well, you play with great quarterbacks. So let's say, the standard great quarterbacks. Yeah, 100% they're all fantastic quarter. I mean, like, coming into the league, you know,

and I have in Stafford, like, that was huge for me because Stafford was a guy that was like, just get open. Like, I'll throw it to you, you know? And so, like, that kind of let me be free my first couple years in the league. Like, okay, all I got to do is beat this guy in front of me, and I don't really have to worry about much, and staff will put it where I need to. And so that was a real stepping stone in like where I've been able to get into the league.

And then going from staff to J.G., you know, J.G. is like, he's all about ball. So, like, he knows, like, where you need to be at this certain time, like, when you need to be there, like, at what depth and that kind of stuff. So that kind of taught me, like, the analytical part of it, like, why I need to be there based on coverages. and like, okay, you know, the league's gotten from, you know, a lot of man to three match to zone to, you know, like cover two and being able to, you know, Ben Johnson was the OC and he was my tight ends coach for a few years in Detroit. And so, like, he taught me a lot of that. And then, like, he when he became the OC, he was, he let me, like, read coverages and like, you know, hey, we have a pressure right now. if it's cover two, let's just hook on the inside of the numbers because that's what avoids that, you know? So I think that was huge for like another stepings and like actually learning defenses

and understanding like what's going on rather than like, hey, just get open, which was awesome. Like I love that. Don't get me wrong, you know. And then going from that to Kirk was, you know, it was kind of like a mix, honestly, because Kirk was like, hey, I don't care how you get there, but like get there. this timing, you know, because, like, I'm playing off my back foot at this point, so just get open at that time, you know, and that was huge and kind of taught me a lot of, like, the quarterback's progression, like, okay, hey, I'm on the backside. I'm running a basic route,

but, you know, they say it's at 12, but really I can push this to 14, give them a little sauce at the top and be there for when Kirk needs me, you know, and you're, you know, you're running pressure, okay, hey, you're my first read, so if you don't get all the way to 10, not a big deal, like hit it at eight and we'll move the sticks, you know? So like that was huge and just learning the quarterback position a little bit, you know, and understanding what they're doing in the backfield. Like they're going from here to here to here. And that was, that was a nice thing for me to like kind of learn. And so, yeah, now to have JJ and Sam, like those guys, I mean, obviously they're kind of learning their own and like figuring it out. Sam's obviously been in the league for a while.

while, but like JJ, to have him out there and like, you know, he's, he's trying to figure it out. And like, it'll be, it's cool because like you can talk to him about different things and like, hey, like, what would you like here? And he's like, well, I don't know, let's try it, you know. And so then you go out there and you try it. And he's like, I like that or I didn't like that. You know, like that'll be cool to kind of be able to have that communication with a guy like that that's young. So, yeah, I mean, I would, I've played with a lot of really good quarterbacks and each one of them have been different, which is cool. How different is that for you having the quarterbacks with all that understand what they already like and what they know to now

being the position you are where you're like kind of teaching more than you are learning? Yeah. I mean, it's it's definitely, you know, like I say, it was really good because each quarterback that I've been with is obviously at the top of the league. Like and then they have each have their own different little like thing and like what they like. And so for me to be in the position I'm in right now with a young quarterback coming in, and you can talk to him about like, hey, this is what staff liked. Hey, this is what Kirk liked. This is what J.G liked.

You know? And I'm sure he can take pieces from all that, you know, because. And having a head coach who was a quarterback. Yeah. And Keo is incredible. I mean, like, Keo is one of the best, like, people like head, like, he just knows what's going on in football. and he understands the game so well and he's really good at, you know,

you get around coaches that understand the game really well, but then they can't, they're not as good at teaching it. And Keo's like really, really good at being communicative and like teaching you like why this is and like why you do that. And that's, that's hard to come by because you know, I mean, everybody in the league knows the game. But like to be able to communicate how they know the game and like where they see it,

and how they see it, that's different. And so to have him in that room with, you know, with JJ and it's going to be a lot of fun for him and it's huge. And to have K.O. around us, like, he comes in our room with Ange and, you know, sits down and then he'll come out and he'll talk to us. And on the field, we're running routes. He'll be like, hey, keep this more vertical because of this coverage. Or like, hey, keep this, you know, you can spin out of this a little quicker because of that,

you know, like you're the first reed, you're the second rig, you're the third. third read or the last read, you know, that kind of stuff. So it's definitely, you know, like my knowledge of the game has grown a lot just because of the people I've been around and the people in Minnesota are incredible. Ben Johnson was somebody who was in kind of like the, you know, people wanting him to be their head coach. Do you see him being a head coach one day? Yeah, I mean, he can do, like Ben can do whatever he wants to do. I mean, he's one of those people that if he puts his mind to something, like he'll do it. And he is, again, another one of those people that, like, is really good at teaching the game

and breaks it down into simplicity. Like, he'll, like, I can't, you know, I mean, like, my rookie year, like, I had a tight-ins coach who, you know, wasn't the best in the world. But, like, Ben and I would go and, like, sit down and watch film. And he was the quality control of the guy at the time, you know. So we would go to another room. We would sit down, watch film, and he would break down, like, hey, here's Travis's film. This is why he does this.

This is why he's so good. Here's George's film. This is why he does this. This is why he's so good. And then, like, being able to pull that and do, like, and understanding releases. And, like, he'd break down, you know, different route trees and, like, each part of the route, you know. And so that was huge. I mean, Ben's one of the best people.

I mean, like I said, I talk to Ben a lot. he he he can easily be a head coach in this league and you know he's a he's a guy that people like to play for so yeah take us to the moment where you got traded yeah how was that for you were you bitter at first no i wouldn't say so i mean like i kind of there was a lot of articles coming out um because we were i think one and six at the time like articles of you being like on the trading block yeah because was that your contract year were you coming up to the end of your Yeah, like I was in my fourth year at the time. And so like I kind of like understood, hey, either they're going to want to keep me here or they're going to want to get rid of me and try to get some

draft capital. And so like I was having a really good year at the time with like not, you know, I wasn't getting the ball a ton, but like being able to create separation. And when I did get the ball, I'd make the most of it, you know. And yeah, I think the last game I had a like three, targets, three catches, and like 90 yards or something like that because, you know, we played Miami and it was, like, I could understand, I understood that they were, you know, they were kind of starting to get to that point. And, you know, you, you have conversations. You see, like, what's going on and you see the articles coming out. You know, you just have conversations with the guys like, oh, like, what's going on, you know? And everyone's like, you're not leaving,

you know, you're not going anywhere, you know, but they don't know because it's really solely up to the GM, you know. And so at that point, you know, I got a call on Tuesday and was like, hey, you were getting traded to the Vikings and appreciate it and have a good one. I was like, all right, cool, sounds good. Were you excited? Bomed? No, I was excited. I was excited. It was a fresh start for me. Obviously, I knew, like, I was going to play for Coach O'Connell, who was a young coach, and like it was his first year, and he has, he was six and one, or something. something like that at the time and like just a really up-and-coming coach and then to be able to get around him and it was the best thing for me like God put me in the right place like I love Minnesota I love the

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Because we're not just interested in what happened. We're interested in why everyone's talking about it. Because everyone watches women's sports. Listen to everyone watches women's sports on the IHeart radio app. Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. of that and like to build relationships with those people in Minnesota and with the vikings has been incredible like you don't find a a bad human being at any point like whenever you turn a corner there's there's somebody that you know and you'll you can have a conversation with them for 30 minutes and just like just about life it's not about anything and you know if there's a bad person that's in the facility it's found out really quick and they're gone you know like that's just what it is and

And so they really only attract good people. They really preach love and, like, being a team and, like, actually as much as a team as you can be in the NFL, you know, like, it's hard because everybody's in and out the door. But they're incredible. It's really the best place for me, and I hope I'm there for a long time. Take me through the timeline a little bit more of, like, how the whole trading thing started. Like, when the rumor started, who was your first call? because I know there's a lot of people probably listening to this

that don't know what goes on behind closed doors in a locker room. Yeah. And a lot of times guys find out they're traded on the ticker. And they just, then all of a sudden they get a call from the GM for you, when the rumor mills start and then when of the actual transaction happened? The rumor mill started, I think, the week before I got traded, like that week going up to the trade in line.

Like, there was a bunch of articles that were coming out. Like, hey, do we trade Hawkinson? Like, who could we trade, you know? And then I just called Ben because, like I said, I had the best relationship. I had the best relationship with him at the time. And Dan was new-ish, I think, at the time. I think he might have been a year in.

And so I called Ben and was just like, hey, like, what are they thinking? He was like, dude, you don't really have anything to worry about. You know, like, I love you. I think everybody around here has a lot of respect for you and what you're doing. You're a good player. And I don't think that's the thing, you know. And so I was like, all right, cool. Sounds good.

And then we lost to Miami that week. And I was coming off of a game against Seattle where I'd like 156, 176 yards for two touchdowns. Like I was coming off a game and, you know, we lost the game. But, you know, I was playing well. And so I wasn't too worried about it. And then Tuesday came around and I woke up and I was like, well, see, put my phone on ringer, you know. And I was in the facility for a few hours, just doing PT and recovery stuff. Then I left, go to a chiropractor and got a call on my way to the chiropractor.

I was told I was traded. Even up to that call, your worries about being traded were pretty much put the rest because your conversation with Coach Johnson? Yeah, I mean, pretty much. Like, I still had a feeling. Obviously, you know, Neil kind of knows a lot of that stuff and he, like, can hear stuff. And so I kind of, you know, still was like, okay, it's definitely a possibility. Right. But like for them to trade me within division, like I wasn't expecting that at all. But I mean, again, I'm so blessed and able to be there. So I was excited when that happened. But yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't really necessarily expecting it. But came and it's been a blessing. Is there a level of you're with the Lions and they haven't won a division in like the last 30 years until this past year. And then you leave and now they're having that crazy success. Is there a.

part of you that's kind of like bitter towards that success um i mean you know obviously they're still in division so you like want to beat them and you want to win the division as much but you personally but i mean yeah not not not not crazy but like i mean you you see it and you're like like what's going on you know you talk to people and they're just like that i played with and they're just like you just started clicking like it was nothing got ready you and everything just came into place yeah yeah well i mean you think about it like the first like the first like Like, I was only there for six games when Coach Ben got moved up to OC, like, had OC. So, like, it was a learning curve for everybody.

Like, it's not, that's one of those places, too. Like, the terminology is a lot different. Like, Ben makes it complicated, so it's easy, you know, like, if that makes sense, like, you know, each way is a different term. Like, so if you're on the right side, it'd be, like, I don't know, it'd be one term. and if you're on the if you're going to the left same play it would be a different term so like you can still do all that at the line but it was a learning curve for a lot of guys because that's not what you do you know and they'd be code names so it's like lobster and and whatever you know and so that was a learning curve for everybody and so everybody was trying to figure it out and get used to it and there was a lot of hiccups throughout that first seven games um and then we all started kind of getting it after like week five and so starting to kind of figure it out. And then, you know, now they, they've gotten it to click. And Ben's, I mean, there's no doubt in my mind that Ben's, like, a huge part of that

because he's just, you know, kind of like a mastermind in that kind of sense. And, yeah, I mean, but I like bitterness, like I really was happy for like the boys that I used to play with, you know, like, obviously they, I was in it for a long time. It's a, it's not fun to, like, go out and play and not really have any success. and then, you know, for them to have some success, like I was happy for the guys that I played with. But, you know, I mean, to obviously be in the same division, there's a little bit of that because you guys want to be the team.

We want to be the team. And also, like, every player ever played with, they got traded or left their team. Anytime we played that team, that was circled. That was like, we got to, hey, boys, we got to fucking get these guys. Yeah, 100%. It's got to, we can lose them all, but not this one. This is the one we have to win. Yeah.

So I didn't know if you had any of those types of feelings. 100%. I mean, you always get a little juiced up when you play them. Yeah. I mean, you just want to see them. And, you know, at that point, like I said, when I got hurt, that was that game. And it was for really a playoff birth for us. And so that was a huge game.

And, you know, it could have gone either way at the time that I got injured. And then, you know, I get injured. And it's still a close game. But I think that was tough for all of us. So when the rumor mill starts are you, did you and your girl ever play the game of like, hey, this place would be cool. Hey, what about this place? Well, we heard Miami. That was the biggest thing. Kind of got excited about that, didn't you? It was, I mean, it's warm down there. And, you know, but I mean, when it, when you talk about Minnesota and their name kind of started getting like,

we heard like, Neil heard their name. And I was like, that'd be nice because it's my, like my family goes every game. My parents go to every game. They haven't missed a game. I've been, you know, 13. And so, like, they were driving to Detroit all the time, and that's eight hours there, not including Chicago traffic, you know, and then eight hours back. And so it's only four hours from my hometown, Minnesota is. And so it's incredible for all of them and for me to be able to be around family. My mom's from Minnesota.

So I have a bunch of extended family there. So if I ever need anything, you know, I'm able to call them. And I mean, there's there is such thing as Minnesota nice, you know, like people around the, the block, around in your neighborhood, like they just love and they want to help out, you know, without being weird about it, you know? Like, you know how some people can be when, you know, you are who you are and then they're like getting a little too close, you know. But that's usually not a thing there. So it's been, it's been awesome. And like I said, the facilities are beautiful. it's brand new.

There's a reason it gets, you know, top two last year is number one in the NFLPA score. Like, they do it right in Minnesota. And it's, I'm just super lucky to be there. Dude, take us, talk about the temperature of last year. Because you guys started off. How did you guys start? Did you start 0.4? Yeah, something like that.

Which was, I know had to be insanely frustrating because when we would do S&P and everything else, it's like, yo, this is the best four lost team in the NFL. Like, you guys only lost games. because will there be a bad turnover, somebody dropping a ball at a crucial time? Like how frustrating was it? Because I know I would almost assume that CO, the post game, conversations and everything else,

is like you're trying to keep everybody up. You guys start to make a run, a very small run, until Kurt blows out his Achilles. Take us back to early last year and the temperature of everything. You know, Docson came and took over and crushed. Yeah, went out. Right, and then Dobbs comes in, which is,

that's an awesome story. It was a wild year. in terms of a lot of things, you know, we were, we obviously were a good team. Like, we knew it going into the season. Like, we were really excited about the season, especially coming off a 13-1 year, the year before. And so, you know, we lose the first game, you know, and it's like, all right, there's turnovers. Like, that's on us.

Like, we need to win, you know, and then lose second game, it was a third game. And it's like, we really got to pick our shit up. Yeah, it's like, like, everybody had like a, you know, your butt hole gets pretty tight. and like you're just like let's go like what are we doing like we are so good and we're not showing it on sundays which was frustrating for everybody and including the coaching staff and um so i mean it was turnovers like turnovers are the biggest thing you guys know it's all about the ball like you get those presentations every week and um you know we just couldn't hold on to it and that was like the biggest issue and then we lose j j j and you know and yeah well we lose j j j j j for

first. We kind of go on a... Oh, oh, yeah, my fault. My fault. I'm just thinking, McCart. It's been a long day. Yeah, yeah. You guys see a B-25 on your... Yeah, we lose Jets. We lose Jets first and with a, you know, a hamstring. And then we start going on a run. And it's like, okay, like, we're good. Like, let's get back. And, you know, when Jets comes, we'll go off and we'll start playing in the playoffs and we'll have a successful year. And so, you know, we start on a run. And then, you know, obviously Green Bay. happens and we're playing really well and we're up by quite a bit and you know we come out of half and we have a full swing full two touchdown swing and that was um huge for us and then kirk goes down in the last you know a couple drives and it's like what the heck just happened you know like because nobody knows you know you don't know and he's over there like i just rolled my ankle i just

rolled my ankle and and your achilles is gone yeah and then he gets carded off and you're like oh man It's a hell of an ankle, brain. Yeah, like, what's going on? You know, and you get into the locker room and we won the game, but it's kind of like a somber feeling because you lost Kirk, who, again, like I've talked about Kirk. He's one of the best dudes, and so you don't want to see that from him. But, yeah.

And then the next week, Dobbs comes in. And then the next week, yeah, we're in Atlanta, and Dobbs comes in. And, you know, we're going through the whole quarterback. thing. You know, we have, you know, you start one guy and then he gets injured with a concussion and then, you know, Dobbs is up, basically. And you're like, okay, like, let's, let's see what it is. But isn't that he doesn't know? He got in and what, Tuesday, Wednesday? Yeah, and he doesn't know the offense. So he's like just repeating what he's hearing,

but he doesn't know. And he's like, hey, what's my first read? And he's like, it's the left. I was going to say, how is the game playing changing in real time to, like, corral around him and help him out. That's kind of what it was. You know, we were all in the huddle and we're kind of like just communicating to him as well as him communicating to us like, hey, like, because he was like, what's this mean? Like, what's this route called? Like, or what's my concept? You know, we have fun, you know, flag under. And so it's like, you know, that's what that means. You know, like, this is your first read. This is your second read. And so he, he was balling that week. And he used his legs a lot. and we were able to do like a scramble drill kind of and you know that's i i hadn't really had that

for many of my quarterbacks and so um to have him out there and he was you know that was that was kind of fun because you guys just playing like some backyard yeah like backyard is exactly what it was was your expectation too like everyone's expecting you guys is not we got nothing to lose right and he he does a game winning drive on the last last drive which is nuts too which was huge you know and then we come out the next week and i actually broke my rib in the Atlanta game um fractured my two ribs on my right side. I still got a nice little bump. And then the next week is the Saints.

Did you play? Yeah, yeah. Went off. I had like. I see you beast. I had the 135 in the first half with Dobbs playing. And that was sick. You know, we had a lot of fun.

We came out hot and then. Does one as, as, I'm sorry to cut you off. When Dobbs comes in and you know, he's obviously going to take over the next week does the game plan is it all about like simplifying yeah it easy for him for sure for sure yeah i mean like just our you know can you know you have your first day first five day camp install plays like that's kind of what we were running um which were was easy for us and he was in the he was he was like i was when i first got traded you know he was like not eating eating with the guys he was in the in the he would go grab his food and then go to the film room and and like kind of learn everything

and then a lot of communication, a lot of, like, talking to the guys and figuring it out. But, yeah, I mean, he was incredible. I mean, I love playing with Josh. He's a great dude, and he's special. I mean, with his legs and everything, he's a special talent for sure.

I mean, yeah, for anybody coming in week of, especially the quarterback position, slinging it a little bit, game-winning drive. I just imagine all the guys in the huddle and then Dobbs getting the call and he's just repeating it, and all the guys are like, this is what I have, this is across the board.

This is the protection. That's exactly what it I got half that We're gonna figure out what goes on now It's basically hey we're just running a boot here Boat to the right Boat to the right look for us And then Garrett or center

You know he would he was like at the point where You know because a lot of the time the quarterback Will change or like telling you to TEO it And stuff like that for the tackle And Garrett's out there like hey T O Tio you know Like calling all that stuff That is probably taking it off his plate Having a smart center is

One of the biggest assets you can possibly have Our whole line is was like a quarterback out there. Ben, yeah, a lot of guys, a lot of times Tana Hill wouldn't even worry,

well, Tana Hill would be great, but anybody else who was ever in there, Ben would be like, I'll just, I'll do the protection. And then that's one in the quarterback

doesn't have to listen to it all. Yeah. He's kind of wait for Ben. He'll point one way back. I guess we're going this way. Yeah. But Ben would also manipulate shit too. We'd be like,

we were playing Houston one time and it was like 42, 14, and JJ is at the nose. And Ben goes, fuck it, R, puts me one-on-one, and then everybody else it'll full slide down bend right

RR sorry Taylor yeah it's like Jesus Christ yeah but it's a bit of a deal dude should we have some uh do we have anything else to hit I feel solid we have a couple fun little segments let's do some segments shut out no free shout out yeah let me pee yeah go pee go pee oh I'm in

on that you trying to go pee yeah I've been all right go pee man I've been doing it for a while and it'll make you feel better I don't know if you're like me my back and ass is sweating violently I've been over and trying to touch it no You can do, yeah, you can deviate it however. So if you feel a bullet's coming, you can either slide if you feel like you need to do a full slide. And the back will block the one on the end.

But you'd want to slide it away from the back so that way he can pick up the end and not have to go across the protection. I have to go across the formation. Yeah, they put me on a few 58s this year. It's tough. Yeah. That Jordan Addison one when like right before half on the 49ers. Yeah. They put me one-on-one with Bosa, 59 protection.

How was that? A die of slow death. We've scored a touchdown. So you handled them? I mean, yeah. You win in nine times? I did my job. You went in nine times out of ten on Nick Boza?

Don't do that to me. Don't do that to me. I feel like tight ends, they do get a reputation of if you're one-on-one, if you're a pass-rusher, if you're one-on-one with the tight-in, you must win basically. You have to win every single time. Yeah, it doesn't always happen. Do you pride yourself on the blocking? I do. I do all right

I do my best I got a couple I can never ask for yeah I got a couple fun questions when you get the job done right couple fun questions before we get into our segments

number one prediction from Minnesota in 2024 like a record prediction yeah let's hear it oh man I don't know how many 17 17 or no

that's the only right answer that is is the only right answer. Also, which, my second question, which quarterback cheed your ass the most? Ooh, I got a couple, I got a couple licking from staff. Really?

Yeah, that would have been my guess. But I, but like, that was the best thing for me. Productive, like, yeah, like, it was, it was great. And I was a rookie, and so, like, I was, I didn't really know, like, what was going on. And so to have that and, like, And you know, like, well, maybe you don't, but like staff is like one of those people that like doesn't really like he's not a loud talk or he's soft spoken like he's just a boy.

Like he's one of the boys. So he wants to get close to you. Like I went out to dinner with staff and his wife and, you know, a few times. And then like on Sundays like if I screwed something up, he'd get into me. And that that's like it's a good feeling. You know, like I mean. What's a story that you remember? What's one that like sits there and like are? staff remember that one time when you ripped my ass um yeah i actually caught a touchdown and he ripped me but it was it was my fault 100% like we were uh i can't remember who we were playing but we were on like the three yard line and there was this play that he would check to um but the whole line would slide left and we'd leave the dn free um and because a lot of the time like the dn would have to carry the flat and then they would screw up. So it was like a three-man set over on the right and he checked to it. And like I was supposed to bluff the end to like make him think I was rushing rather than pulling me to the flat. But I just kind of went to the flat. And then that leaves

him a free runner, you know, rather than the D-end. So he was he like turned around and he saw the defensive end coming. He side-arms it, score a touchdown. And I'll have a lot. I was like, let's go. And then I just see staff shaking his head run to the sideline. And then when I get to the sideline, he just gives it, he lays it into me. But I needed it. Like I was, I think that might have been my first or second year. And it was like, you know, you got to know that stuff.

So it was like the little details, you know. But like, so I appreciated it. So like there was never anything where like I've never gotten an ass shooting where I'm like, I didn't deserve it, you know. Like, so I kind of respect it. And it was like, all right, cool. My bad. I'll get it next time.

You got to respect that you scored touchdown. Yeah. It's like, hey, it's not good enough. This is not good enough. It's not about the result. Yeah, yeah. No, you got to love that. Oh, you want prediction for Iowa.

They're going to be Nebraska. What's college football? Not 12, 12 games. Eight win season, for sure. So I'm going to go nine and three. Okay. Strong. Who they lose to?

Pull up the schedule. Yeah. Thank you. I'm in. Yeah, I'm down. I'm in on that. Whoever loses, you have to do a video saying that this school is basically like your alpha male, your daddy. Okay.

Done. And this program is better than our program. Okay. I'm in. I like that. You guys got a pretty easy schedule here. oh yeah yeah dude we might go 12 and oh dude you guys are not you guys are gonna oh oh oh oh oh oh state okay so there's there's oh oh oh oh state i would say that one's a close

one let's just call that one a loss just to be fair right washington the that'll be a tough one so you want to call that a loss two weeks in a row i don't know if that can happen under kf though washington is at iowa too yeah so i think we get that one is UCLA any good this year? No. I think Wisconsin's going to be tough, man. Are they last year? The last couple years.

He's now into his second. Okay. His second year. I think they'll be tough. That will be a tough one. Michigan State's not even good anymore, right? No, they're not any good. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. But where's the one more? I don't see the one more. It looks like Friday, November 29. It might be 10 and 2. I like 10 and 2. I like 10 and 2.

I know we're not listening to. It's always right after a Thanksgiving. I know we're not losing Black Friday. That's never a thing. That's what you'll do, too. It's at Iowa. That's what you'll do too. You lose.

You promote our Black Friday sale. Okay. All right. What's your Black Friday? Just like busting, busing merch, 20% off. You talk about how great Nebraska is,

how they're way better than we ever can think to be. Also 20% off. Yeah, 20% on Black Friday. Yeah. All right. I like it. It's at Iowa, though.

10 and 2 is not a bad. not a bad deal there it's not no it's not that's very much is that what you guys were last year no I think we had nine right you might have been a 10 win team last year you guys might be well I don't know what's that because we lost that BS one with Cooper was it was it was Michigan yeah yeah that was he was not I know he was not that was a terrible and then like this like what what are you talking about yeah you guys You guys are like a smelly, a stinky good team. Yeah, I always need to look good.

Always pretty good. Yeah, but they're, you know, they kind of have a stench. It's never pretty, but it's beautiful. Right, they kind of have a stench to them. We gotta clean them up. If you're unfamiliar with shout out, no free shout out. It's, we're shouting out simple things of the world. Whether it can be a person, it can be an event, it can be a little moment.

Recently, I want to say Quentin Nelson, he shouted out, or maybe JP did with cold water fountains back in high school, back in the elementary school. JP, I want to say shout it out the wall, like a concrete wall, something small. I think I got one, yeah. Yeah, could be a person. Am I going first? Yeah. Sure.

Or do you want to hear one of us go first? No, I got it. Okay, shout out, no free shout out, right? Airport dryer, hand dryers nowadays. I was washing my hands at the airport the other day. I flew back to Iowa City for like three hours and washed my hands. and they have them now where it's dual-sided, it's right next to the, to the washer, to the sink.

And dual-sided right there actually work. Because, you know, they never really work. Right, when you got the one pipe just going, it's kind of like, and then you're hitting it like five times. Yeah, but that one was legit. I really enjoyed that. Is that the one? No, no.

It's right next to the sink. And it's like, slowly. And it's both hands, too. Like, you don't have to do one at a time. It's perfect. And in your brain you're thinking, like, how do I do this? You put him in there deep first and you would give him the slow. It was attached on top by the sink.

It was incredible. I was thoroughly impressed. Man, you got to find that. That's a one of one. That's a good shout out. It's a good shout out. Thank you. This dude can't smells nice.

You got one? I do have one. Go ahead. My shout on, no free shout out. I don't know how people are going to react to this, but overall it's a very positive thing. My old man, he quit drinking. Really? Yes.

My dad quit drinking. You see, yeah, big, big. Shout out to Bill Compton. Christmas is going to suck this year. Thanks. Yeah. Having them at the house. He'd be a dud, bro.

When he was telling my little brother, Wyatt and Scott, when they came over, he had them over. And basically was like, I'm glad you guys both came here. I got some bad news. And they thought it was like a really bad thing. He's like, I quit drinking beer. And they're like, what the fuck you're talking about? He quit drinking beer or he quit drinking alcohol. Quit drinking alcohol.

I mean, he's a beer guy. He's a beer guy through. I said, no, if he was like, I'm going to go harder. Yeah, I mean, this is somebody who puts down at least probably six, eight. Yeah. I mean, Bill's staple is going to a party, finding the best chair, sitting in it, putting in a lip in and drinking as many cold beers as he possibly can. With a fat. That is Bill Compton.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he quit, man. He quit cold turkey. And he said it was not hard. Really? And he shot me a text the other day. I asked how everything's going because this is about, this is about two weeks old. And I asked how he was doing.

He said, I've been owning my mornings by the way, up before 730. weekends getting my walks in weights are getting up close to what i was doing a few years ago so i'm fired up for bill compton let's go that's huge that's a knock that's a knock that's a knock and i think it's good that because he'll be watching this it's good for the public accountability as well so he's got to stay true to it has to but very fired up and the minute if he does relapse it anyway you have to call him out in this podcast have to yeah yeah you hear that dad we have to call you out of bail in any way but i'm fired up for him but christmas is cool bill because i need you for did you bring your house.

Maybe holidays. When you're at my house, it's like it doesn't count. Yeah. Yeah, holidays don't count. Yeah, holidays don't count. My shout out for shadow is not a small shoutout. And it's going to go to OFB, which stands for, oh, yeah, I'm a fuck boys. Now, I went to a wedding in Canada.

And this wedding was a unique wedding like I've never seen before. It was 100 people. Everyone went to this big field, 180 acres at this guy's property and they had trailers. Everyone just stayed in trailers. And everyone's kind of camping out and doing those things. And I meet Dallas Sanger. Dallas Sanger is Taylor's Tailen's cousin. And Dallas is a good boy.

Top-notch cat. But I met his friends. And his friends were the best group of friends I have ever seen in my entire life. They all have OFB tattoo that they all gave each other. There's a tattoo gun that they're all sharing the same needle and tattooing each other different things. but that's not why I'm shouting them out. Everybody knows like when you and your boys that have been around each other for a long time go out and everybody gets drunk. But one guy gets too drunk where he starts getting like nostalgic and teary eye and he wants to tell you how much he loves you.

And it's like, bro, come on. It's not the, you just know you got to put this guy to bed soon. What I witnessed at this wedding as a son was setting at 11 p.m. in Canada, all these guys were equally that drunk just loving each other. No one was the, hey man, we don't got to do this right now. It was around a bonfire and these boys sat there and told each other how much they loved each other. There were songs playing. They're singing as loud as they can.

There's 50 people sitting around, but to those six, seven boys, it was just them. And I sat back in a chair and just watched them being like, that is the pinnacle of friend groups, something that probably none of us have ever experienced. It was one of the most beautiful, rare things I have ever seen in my entire life. So my shout out goes to OFB B. I'm trying to that to OFB and myself

I did get offered OFB He was like hey how do I get in the screen I declined it How do I get this tat? Yeah they had a bunch of good boys out there man Good shout out no free shout out Yeah For this next segment

Our twisted question comes to us from Mitch He says he has a good one As of right now CFB 25 has been out for 12 minutes As of right now So we got a This one This one comes from

This has been a great podcast. You've been awesome, dude. This has been a great time. Appreciate you, yes. Appreciate you, yes. Appreciate it. This one comes from JP. This one comes from JP Hovey.

Would you rather be an unknown superhero or a famous villain? Ooh, that's, uh. Unknown superhero. That's easy. Yeah, unknown superhero for sure. I don't know if it's easy. I think you all flirt with the idea of like, you could be a badass villain. Yeah.

That's known and you're just, you're calling your own shots. It's like the Joker. I'm pretty low key, though. I'd rather just, I don't need to be famous. Yeah, I'm just thinking of my brain Like when you get those RPG games And you get to either go villain or good guy You start off thinking about the idea of being a villain

And it's a video game So nobody's gonna know right But you ultimately end up making the good decisions Just to get back in good favor with the crowd And the town and everything else So I'm gonna go with unknown hero That's a good one I'm gonna go villain

100% dude Just being like And the first person that always comes to mind Is the Joker From Dark Night And that is all time just calling your shots doing what you want everyone knows you don't know what his moves are because he don't know because he's a fucking wild card if you're a super famous villain you know you're

known for being just multiple steps ahead of the government and that's badass and that's badass i'll take that i'll take the villain good question that is a great question good question what would you go with you'd go with the hero i would go unknown hero for sure yeah i mean be on a be on a bunch of land Just be able to freaking do whatever you want. It should be Clark Kent. Oh, so sick. Yeah. Wear some glasses.

Nobody knows who you are. Be so sick. Have superpowers? Yes. You have superpowers? You get to be a hero. It's a hero or unknown hero? Superhero.

It's changed the game a little bit. Yeah, but nobody else. So you couldn't go play a sport. Right. I mean, you could. You're Superman and you're like, I don't really feel like protecting people. I'm just going to go be the best football player ever. Never get hurt.

Never get tackled. Yeah, exactly. which is based around Superman, he was a very good high school football player, did just enough. I remember one time he was throwing the ball, and right when he released it, he ran somewhere, saved somebody,

stopped something from happening and got back in just to get hit and throw the game weighing touchdown. Yeah, yeah. Well, you tell me, Superman didn't make the league? I'm just saying in Smallville in this show, which was a phenomenal show, and shout out my boy, Logan,

that we watch this every week. This is one of our soap operas every week. All right. bangers show bro Lana You know Remember remember like him and Lana They had the relationship And I remember when the song

That Lifehouse song Hit super hard What was the name of that song? I've just heard it yesterday On TikTok Hey type in Type in Smallville Lifehouse

Lifehouse Lifehouse Incredible song You would know it We will all know this Because it's you and me and I love the people with nothing because he loved Lana and he's it's almost like he didn't know how to tell her all the time bro this is a classic bad acting storyline show you would

love it back in the day back in the day this was great this was a great routine smallville and then you'd also hit one tree hill the next day Lana reminds me of too hot to handle you've seen that show my wife watches it all the time that's right there gosh she's a box but yeah she's no tapanga she's no tapanga but she's a great one i think tapanga was our age groups like i mean that was the come up that was the crush yeah that was i think everybody in our age group's first crush yeah tapanga you about maybe he's there he's younger than us who is your like celebrity crush in the tv show world growing up tv show

uh i was a big friends guy so jennifer ansson was yeah it's That's a good one. That's a good one. But Megan Fox and Transformers. Yeah. It's a movie. Yeah, I know.

She took everybody's hearts. When you said show, it changed me. She did take everyone's hearts. Disney Channel needs to bring back their original movies. Patty mayonnaise. Oh, yeah. Oh, Patty mayonnaise. Get into the animated.

Halloween Town. Halloween Town was legit. A little sneaky. Oh. Just out of nowhere. Just a bent over pictures. She looks. So different now.

That's one of the most iconic photos of all time. Of all time. You can put that one next to Trump. How's her body moving like that? You put that one next to Trump. Johnny Cash with the middle finger. That might be top three photos. Oh,

this has been a fun podcast, boys. TJ, thank you, man. Appreciate you guys having me. Hell yeah, dude. This has been a great. Yeah, this has been a great fun part. Got to start with a good, you know, put on our tinfoil hats,

talk about the president, or talk about the former president Trump. and then get into all dive into all the i'll see your heads at well you know see what happens we'll see what happens where my vote goes yeah subscribe uh leave comments if you are listening on audio make sure you're following the boys on spotify and apple podcast and let all your boys know let the group chats know we got to get the subscribers up oh not to mention and shout out shout out sorry we forgot to hit it but uh shout out to you guys we got up to i think each of you we rounded it up so everybody on the

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