Bussin' With The Boys - Will Compton Mourns Nebraska Loss + NFL Week 9 Recap w/ Greg Olsen & Sam Darnold For MVP?

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

The Boys, Will Compton and Taylor Lewan, are back for another loaded Monday football recap on Bussin’ With The Boys. This week they break down one of the wildest slates of the season: Nebraska vs. USC, Michigan vs. Purdue, Georgia–Florida SEC drama, and Oklahoma–Tennessee firing up fan bases. Taylor also battles gout like a true warrior as college football heats up.   Greg Olsen hops on the bus to break down the biggest NFL storylines — Panthers–Packers, Chiefs–Bills, and why the run game still matters in today’s league. The Boys chop it up on offensive evolution, front office moves, and the Dolphins firing their GM but sticking with their head coach.   To wrap, they hit the rest of the NFL slate — Colts–Steelers, Broncos–Texans, Bears–Bengals, and Vikings–Lions — plus Spencer Rattler getting benched, South Carolina firing its offensive coordinator, and the ACC falling apart in real time. Buckle up. Big hugs, tiny kisses.    TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Open 6:50 Nebraska vs. USC 23:05 Michigan vs. Purdue 28:55 Vanderbilt vs. Texas 30:15 Georgia vs. Florida 33:00 Oklahoma vs. Tennessee 37:15 Taylor Is Dealing With Gout 39:20 Greg Olsen Joins 42:50 Panthers vs. Packers 50:10 Chiefs vs. Bills 52:30 The Importance Of A Run Game 1:00:00 The Growth Of Offensive Schemes 1:29:50 Dolphins Firing GM But Not Head Coach 1:40:57 Colts vs. Steelers 1:43:20 Broncos vs. Texans 1:44:50 Bears vs. Bengals 1:52:10 Rattler Getting Benched 1:55:30 Vikings vs. Lions 1:58:10 South Carolina Firing Offensive Coordinator 2:03:20 ACC Is FoldingSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That was a mouthful. That was a lot to take in right there. Yeah. Big weekend took place. A lot to break down. A lot of good fun football to watch. A lot of fun, especially in the NFL games. College football, not so much. much. It was more just me getting ready to watch

like the later slates. Obviously USC Nebraska, Michigan, Purdue, I was really excited about. I didn't get a whole lot of Oklahoma, Tennessee. I think that was because of the dispute going on with ESPN and YouTube and I had to bounce back and forth. That was a bit of pain in the ass for me. Need that figured out as soon as possible. As soon as possible. I had to do that with Vanity, Texas as well

earlier in the day. Who side are you guys on? Are you on YouTube TV side or are you on ESPN? I'm on the side of Get It Done. I don't even know who is right. or wrong in the situation. I just, boys, put the swords down and let the viewer win. You're on the viewer's side. You're on the customer side.

Because we're all the people they kind of take the hit. The YouTube TV was what offering like a $20 credit. ESPN wants it to go over on their app, which, okay, they do have the, they do have the SEC, what, Monday night football? Yeah. What else do they have that are like big? ABC. ABC, yeah. ESPN is just being a bunch of, uh,

Uh, greedy corporate fat cats. Okay. Everybody is. Everybody is. We're sitting back and watching, we're watching like YouTube, Google, Disney. Everybody. We don't got to cut it.

We just got to know that Mitch Carlesy said that, not Taylor 1 and Wilcompton. I get it. In the world of television, everyone's trying to make their money. I absolutely, but I know that a couple of years ago, I had cable. Will sat there and said, hey, you started, you got on these streams. Like the streaming services are incredible. You get everything you want and more and it's less expensive. all the things. And I'm like, bro, yes, I jump on, get rid of cable. Now the streaming

surface is kind of one where everyone's kind of got something. We're like, oh, I need that. I got to have this. What about that? And it's way more, it's way more expensive now. The streaming surfaces have kind of won. Now we're getting to fall, which is a religion to all of us here. Every Saturday and Sunday, we want to sit down and watch our games. We want to make it easily accessible to watch the games. And there is a dispute going on. We got Montague's capitalist type of situation. I don't want that when it comes to us watching college football and NFL. Yeah, yeah, I just want to be able to watch the games because even if you say like go over on all the ESPN stuff, sometimes it's kind of hard to get back and forth. Like sometimes when I'm, when I'm ordering like a pay-per-view fight for UFC, I get confused on, hey, it seems like it's working. It seems like I also got to pay again or sign in. I thought I was already signed in. So I get confused on the, on the ESPN epitimes. Yeah. But if you're ESPN and you're leveraged up, you got all the SEC, you got all, all of the. I don't know what the dispute is with the, you know, what they're arguing back and forth on,

on coming to a settlement on putting them on YouTube TV. But it's just, it's big business. Big business. It's above us. Taking advantage of all of us. We're all the victim. The customer becomes the victim because eventually, even if they come to an agreement, you know prices will be bumped up somewhere along the way, whether it's on YouTube TV, whether it's

getting everybody over on ESPN. It's all a game. We're, we're pawns on the chess board. I will say it when it comes to the apps. I agree with you 100%. ESPN's a little harder to kind of maneuver and get around. YouTube TV seems like a dumb man's

type of streaming service. Very easy. You pop it on. It's right there. You got all the games you want. You can get your multi-view set up. You want custom. It's very user-friendly.

Being able to organize your YouTube TV lineup is the best thing. Money, baby. Put all like the other channels at the bottom. And if you have the app on YouTube TV, if you have the app on your phone as well, when you start to pay, put in like what your favorite teams are it'll tell you on your phone like scores and everything

going on there as well i don't know if espn does that yeah they do that but they've done that forever it seems like youtube is easier for me to use yeah i just want it to be easy like i'll pay i'll pay for a package like i'll pay money for a package i just want to sit down i want to turn on the tv as little buttons the press as possible as little buttons the press as possible because because last year it's like with nfl when basically every kind of network or streaming service had a game it's like all right that's just that's getting confusing to me like like Like, can we just have a one-stop shop to where, you know, all the capital, the businesses, like, they have all their wins and everything else? I just want to simply turn on the TV and watch a football game.

Why don't we get all those major corporations? Just make one app. And you guys all get a nice little cut of the pie. What if we make an app? Yeah, we'll make an app. Yeah, we'll make it out of all the games. Yeah. Bus and TV.

Bus and TV. Think about it. Think about it. I'm thinking about ways to get around to how we do it. I feel like this. We just got to find a few. billion dollars dude and we can we can make that that's what they're all trying to do anyway it's like they're trying to

monopolize television yeah somebody's gonna somebody's gonna be standing there in the end a decade or two from now with all the you know they bought Disney bought this Google bought that Disney buys Google buys Disney somebody's gonna be standing it's gonna come down to Disney and Netflix I feel like those are the two Amazon Amazon Amazon Amazon God you think so yeah I mean just because of who's behind it yeah like yeah Jeff Bezos. If I'm betting on CEOs and founders, I'm probably betting on Bezos.

Yeah. Fair enough. Do you want to get into college football? Do we want to talk about our teams? Yeah, just to let people know, we'll break down college football first. Greg Olson, he will be joining here in a little bit. Then we'll be talking about NFL football. A lot of games, a lot of things to break down.

If you are watching, listening right now, just make sure you are subscribed to this channel. Helps the boys out a lot. Massive weekend of football. Chaos ensuing. And the Huskers were right there. They were right. They were right there. Shout out the boys.

Hey, coming and locking in the foxel with your boy on the stream. All black. Fun stream. We were blacked out. Dark mode with both Tennessee, dark mode with Nebraska. And we both just got kicked in the gut. We probably should have had the lights off in the stream room. Yeah, probably should have the lights off in the stream room.

Could have been the next thing. Do we want to talk about Tennessee first? Do you want to give the floor to Nebraska? Like, really I'm here for you guys. Yeah, it's like I just, the problem is I don't know how long I'll talk about Nebraska. So I don't want to sit here. That's okay. I know. I just don't want to take people's time. At the end of the day, we lost, our playoff hopes are gone.

Our quarterback is injured. He's out for the season with a broken fibula. It was going so well until it just turned and it wasn't. Body, it really was. You could not have asked for a better first half. Like, I'm nervous going on that game because it's USC. They're a very high-powered offense. The blackout, everybody embracing the blackout. And I'll just say it right now.

The blackout needs to happen every year. The blackout needs to be something that happens every year. People are kind of against it saying, no all-white jerseys, no all-black jerseys, yada-a-y-a-y-dude. That atmosphere looked like one of the coolest atmospheres ever at Memorial Stadium. When we were sitting there watching it, as the game was coming on, I just look over Jack. I was like, I made a mistake not being at that game tonight. The way they painted the black end, the black end zones, just, dude, you could just feel the energy.

The black balloons. The way that the Nebraska social team all week covered it, I think they knocked it out of the park. And even the traditionalists, you know, people would be like, are the old heads? Are they going to wear red? Are they going to come in black? But just black from top to bottom, dude. Student section was there, shoulder to shoulder. The bone yard was packed two hours before kicking.

off like that atmosphere looked electric and the football team came out and matched that intensity and matched that energy like you come out it's like we were taking the fight to USC it was before the game was started it's like hey seven points are gonna we're gonna have to keep me three points and you go into halftime 14 to 6 pro and excited like yo we look fucking good we were getting gash in the run game but if you're sacrificing getting gash in the run game it's like if i could i would love to sit and watch the film because i'm sure there's a lot of issues to sit there and correct because we've been ran on a few times this year. But it's like if we're sacrificing the run game and holding the three points and keeping that

and keeping Jordan. What's his? Mackay Lemon and Mikey Lemon and quarterback. Jordan Maelotta. Yeah. Myelotta. Yeah. But keeping that offense through the air where we had them, I want to say he had less than

200 yards on the night and keeping those receivers like they are athletic. They're big. We were contesting balls like the secondary showed the fuck up. and I was just so excited. I was like, yo, we look nice right now. We got to come out of halftime because we got the ball coming out half. We had like two good first drives. And then USC's defense kind of showed up,

was kind of stuffing us. But to get the half of 14-6 with the ball coming out, I mean, nothing but just the piss was hot, gentlemen. Emmett Johnson. Do you have 38 touches? He almost had 30 carries once he hit 25. scored. I'm like, we were saying it. He's got to touch the ball 30 times and he was running pissed off. The old line showed up way better than they have all year long. And then the third

quarter happens. Dylan Raola breaks his fibula. Our, uh, our office. Yeah, Latif comes in. What a moment for him to come in. Just honestly, what is brutal situation to walk into as a true freshman. Do what? Everything else is going to feel like a breeze for him. Yeah, yeah, it's coming to that moment. Yeah, he'll be ready to go this next. so we could UCLA back home. He's from Compton, California. And then we lost our, we lost Pritchett, our left tackle, which we've lost, you know, we were on our third offensive tackle with an inconsistent offensive line throughout

the year. But the week before that you lost your right tackle as well, correct? Yeah, lost our right tackle to an ACL. Then we lost Pritchett last week, big number 57. Damn. And the boys still kept fucking fighting, bro. They did. They kept fighting.

And that's what I was excited about, because. once the game ends, you know, the outpour of negativity ensues, right? And for the Husker fan base? There are some Husker fans that were negative, but there were some that, like, loved the fight, like, you know, it was sadness. The word at the end of the game was sadness. It wasn't disappointment.

It wasn't all these other things. But for a lot of people, like I want to say, there's one motherfucker over there on three, just immediately when the game ended. Couldn't wait to put up Nebraska's record against top 25 teams. Matt Rule's record against top 25 teams. Like that stuff poured on us right away. But watching that game finished to end or beginning to end,

like I was proud of the fight, but just sad on the way home. Stood outside, face was painted. There was a light rain coming down by that point of the night. And I just was looking up. I got out of the truck. The headlights were still on. They hadn't shut off yet. So I just stood in front of the headlights and just looked up to the sky

and thought, and just said out loud, one day we will win this whole fucking thing. Just not tonight. Just not tonight. Because that's where it seems in playoffs are over. Oh, they were never a playoff team. Like, okay, yes, that's obviously fair now. No, it's not.

Oh, that is not a fair statement at all. Never a playoff team's crazy. No. If Raola doesn't get hurt in that game, you guys win that game. Listen, we're a line. Then you play UCLA. Yeah, but we're aligned. But now we've lost three.

so now it is. You are no, now you are no longer playoff team, but you guys were absolutely the way you played USC. You don't have to tell me. I know.

I'm telling you. But there's also a podcast taking place right now where people are thinking, hey, that's crazy. Like you guys, you guys shut down

a great quarterback and two outstanding wide receivers and said, okay, if we're going to die by the sword, it's going to be in the run game. You guys handled that. You're back in your defense is awesome.

Your offensive line who has been hurt, beaten up, bruised, and taking care of a, couple of games stood up the way we didn't expect them to. Emmett Johnson did exactly what he was supposed to do. Dylan Riola stays healthy in this game.

We're talking about a Nebraska win. Going to UCLA, who had a lot of firepower a few weeks ago, now it's kind of like got a little more quiet. You go there, it's a revenge game, and then you have Penn State. Dude, you guys were absolutely a playoff team this year. It just sucks the way it worked out. Yeah, I'm with you.

It's like, it's like, that first half was going on, and I was like, hey, we're taking care of the rest of this schedule. Yes. Yes. And then once a zero struck, it's kind of, you know, it's going to be very interesting to see how this team shows up the rest of the year. Like how any team shows up the rest of the year once they do get their third loss or fourth loss

where they're fully out of it. Yeah. Just because bowl games, like, it's going to be awesome to go to a bowl. But the bowl games aren't what the bowl games used to be whatsoever. It's like it's playoffs or busts for a lot of these teams who are sitting there with a couple losses. So it'll be interesting to see. I'm very excited to see T.J. Lateef play. You know, he came in a very, like that, coming into a game like that,

brutal for any true freshmen. But I'm excited. Like when we played the nobodies at the beginning of the year and he was playing in the second half, like he looked sharp. I'm excited to see a full game playing around him. Dude, there was one play that I dropped in that group chat that we had for the stream, bro, where when he fumbled the snap. And I'm just like, you know what, freshman like that, those are plays are going to happen.

But when I saw that play, like on Twitter the next day, USC was in cover zero sending the house and we had a middle screen that was going to be wide open. Oh, fuck. He might be spicy. Like, bro, he's quick.

He's fast. He brings a dynamic that Dylan didn't have as far as with his legs. If they can run some RPO with him and Emmett Johnson and make people play on the line, he can also throw it. They might, I don't know. Big opportunity for him. Nine and three is alive. Oh, yeah.

Nine and three's alive with the Huskers, for sure. Yeah, nine and three is alive. To me, it's just the mentality like, hell on everybody now. Yeah, yeah. It's the mentality of the team showing up. Like, it'll be interesting to see how the team shows up the rest of the year, knowing that nine and three is very much alive.

It doesn't matter if you don't have Dylan because Lateef, like he's got his own game. I'm sure he's excited to play. I feel like everybody around him will elevate their game a little bit. You guys play Indiana? No, we have UCLA, Penn, state and Iowa. At Penn State, but then Iowa's in Lincoln? Yeah, yeah.

All three, I think, will be tough. Yeah. All three, I think I think. I think UCLA will be tough because you just have a very draining emotional game or it felt like everything was poured into that game and the boy showed up for a fucking fistfight. Yeah. Toward now you've got to travel out to UCLA, get up for that game, stay up for that game. Then you'll have a buy week.

Then you play at Penn State, which their roster still does. their roster like they're still going to have cats and then i was they had a really competitive first half against ohio state like they looked yeah yeah yeah but the same thing took like at in the second half when ohio state continued to punch them in the mouth it's like these guys and it's so hard for those players that continue to stand up weekend and week out after so many dominoes that fell in the direction of negativity they just eventually are like yeah we're not one in this game you just kind of see it fold away that's how you beat penn state at penn state you hit them in the mouth over and over again you break their will and it's like you can you can

you can do that with that team. UCLA, this is a revenge game. You said Latif, he's coming back home. He's from Compton. And a quarterback that uses his legs that's coming in for a quarterback that really didn't use his legs, having a week of preparation to get the RPO, the options. Yeah. You guys are going to be sneaky against UCLA that they're not going to know what to expect

from you guys. Right, right. There are even a couple moments in that game to where he made something like, you know, he'd get the first down just by running, like knowing it's kind of a broken play and just quick enough to get past the first down marker. It was tough, though, bro. God, it was fucking, I wanted that one so badly. So badly, man.

And then for Emmett Johnson, unfortunately, trip on that fourth and one, my heart broke for the young man. Because you know he just, he put that, he was in that moment. You know he was putting that all on him. Yeah. I hated to see that. I hated to see that for him because he is an absolute dog, bro. He is good. Like, if people are talking, he could potentially work his way into All-American this year.

year. He's a hell of a player. But brutal loss, came home, walked in, like everything was off. Charles was in bed, reading a book. And I just walk in my room, face still painted, quietly shut the door. And she just, she looks up and she says, I'm sorry, babe. And I'm like, me too. I'm going to go wash my face pain. You get in bed with the face pain on? Dude, that. One day, sweetheart, I told I say, hey, babe, one day this pain will all be worth it. One day this pain will all be worth it. She's just looking at her book.

We're reading the same line over and over again? Because we are, we are just, like, it's coming. One thing I did have, one thing that I thought sucked, that I will say, you got to go for it on fourth and one. When you're in enemy territory. You got to go. We tried for a 52-yard field going to miss it. But in that situation, I'm thinking, dude, just go for it.

What part of the game was this? Fourth, third, fourth quarter, Latif was in. Okay, Lateef was in. Yeah, Latif was the score of the game at that time. God, USC up or down? It's all such a blur. It's all such a blur. I want to say, because they won that game, what, 21, 17?

I want to say at that point it might have been 17 to 14. Yeah. 17 to 14. You understand the logic, right? Tie it up. Well, defense is playing well versus, you know, an offense that puts up 40 plus points a game. Yeah. fourth and one, fourth and two, you're in enemy territory,

you're staring at a 52-yard field goal. We burned two timeouts to that series, so that killed us. So then you call timeout and then go for the field goal. I'm just like, you got to go for it. Yeah. Which is interesting to hear you say, because you're always a guy that I can, you're always like, hey, take the points. Take the points.

But again, it was 52 yards. True. Fair enough. Fourth and one. We weren't in like the red zone. And early in the game where it's like, get your points, get your points. Yeah. me it's like you have the backup quarterback and you've been kind of inconsistent shaky with moving the ball offensively throughout that point you're now in enemy territory it's fourth and one or fourth and two like cook something up yeah cook something up and keep the drive alive i can't the thing that bothers me the most about everything you just said was the fact that as soon as the game struck zero as soon as it was over that there's a level of negativity that comes out because i was watching that game but then once i

I saw how Michigan was playing against Purdue. My panic mode kind of set it. And I was like, oh, we got going over here. And so I kind of like wasn't as into the game as I probably should have been. But like everything that I saw was a defense that played up to the level against an offense that is number one or top three in the entire country. An offense that was moving the ball between the 20s, it seemed like at ease at points, doing the exact game plan that we talked about that will make you successful. And so it's like, yeah, you guys should have absolutely won that game. Rayola stays hell with you win that game.

Who's the corner? Is it Marshall that I was shouting out? The cornerback blitz when he picked it off. Just go to my... Just go to that... God damn. It breaks my heart for me. Dude, here's another thing I love to see.

I can't shout out this secondary enough for showing up that game. Because that's an offensive skill positions where I'd see... Andrew Marshall, where it feels like all those boys will be playing on Sunday. What are Marshalls out there? Or Marshes? We were Marshall. So we were sending a couple cornerback blitzes and

the Q was doing a great job. Like USC's very tough in that RPO scheme. And the minute the corner would take off, it's like he's faking the hand off and then going right out to the receiver.

One, he baited him. Marshall baited him like he was going. He went like a few yards, like once the ball snapped and then sunk back, picked it off. And bro, I was just so high.

It was great, man. Do what? He's from California. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know we have, I think, right transferred from USC. But I feel like the skill positions all across the board, too, offensively just they were like bringing the fight to USC, which was juicing me up, especially in that blackout environment.

Yeah, blackout needs to happen more. That looks so awesome. They do the drones. Oh, yeah. They do the drone, the whole thing. This is, when we said we needed everybody, we threw the kitchen sink at this game, bro. We threw the kitchen.

sink at this game. But, you know, got to beat UCLA. Gotta beat UCLA. We need everybody. Yeah. Gotta get up for this game. Have to get up. There's no time to bleed. There's no time to bleed. Right. And the bowl game too, it's like, I know you said like, hey, bowl games are still exciting. Like, you guys have to check the box of bowl game. And I know this season's not what you want it to be. But it's like, you go nine and three. The conversation all off seats in is like, Rayola stays healthy. We're a playoff football team. Not only are we playoff. Who knows how far we go. We're a game away.

And so that is my question is more of like, I'll be curious what it seems like with the mentality of these teams when they are out of the college football playoff. Yeah. Not like they're going to quit. You're going to find out the culture of your team this week. If they can keep inspired football, continue to play inspired football, what do you got? I was just going to ask how the Michigan game went because we didn't really watch a ton of it. Yeah, dude.

I know, I know we, but I don't want to cut you off. Because we had, it was like we had the Nebraska game on. I want to say we had the, World Series game on and then we had Tennessee, Oklahoma. And we're kind of keeping up with the Purdue-Michigan game. And it seemed like it was close the entire game. Yeah, it was close. Like the game, so the game for us was never like, it never felt like Purdue was going

to like take the lead. And I thought that Michigan did a good job of, hey, coming out, you're playing it's a secondary that's not very good. Let's get some more reps under Bryce's belt of like more complex passing schemes, throwing the ball a little bit more. And it was definitely a game where you sit there and you go, oh yeah, he's a freshman. And the thing that upsets me is like we're now in week nine. And he's having these kind of, we're thrusting into, hey, we need this quarterback to develop from a passing standpoint.

But we waited until week nine to really start having him throw the ball a lot. And I think our receiving cord did a great job of getting open. I thought the offensive scheme was really good for this game as far as play calling goes. But Bryce, unfortunately, was just missing throws. He had one to McCulley, number one, who he just missed. He beat his receiver. he had separation on that. There was a broken play he rolled out to the right.

There was Marsh in the back of the end zone. No one was around him. He decides to check it down, gets picked off. We get into the red zone. He goes to run the ball, scramble to get a first down. It's like, all right, this kid, he's using his legs. He's realizing, he's taking the next step, realizing, okay, I need to get out of the pocket and move forward. The ball gets hit out, gets hit as he's falling to the ground, goes into the back of the end zone,

touchback for Purdue. So it was just one of those games you look at, and it's like you never make an excuse for winning. Like, hey, we won the game. That's exciting. Our hopes and dreams are still alive of making the playoffs. But you're just like, we, peace of me is like, man, I wish we would have threw them in the fire a little bit more against these New Mexico, against these smaller schools to where we get into these back half of these games where we're going, if we were going to play Ohio State competitively, because Ohio State, I watched the entire Penn State, Ohio State game. Like, there is complete of a team as there is in college football.

Then I know we won them. They got aliens. And the aliens, bro. after the ball's tips is that what you're talking about who's the other kid yeah you got jeremiah smith card out cardinal tate bro and they did a they did a thing on him before the game started about his mom getting shot in chicago and every time he gets a first down or a touchdown he like kisses and puts this guy for his mom and how his mom was so supportive in his life then the kid continues to go off versus uh penn state like they have got a wrecking crew out there and that saying kid i tweeted

out i don't know if this kid's electric or he just has aliens around him but he throws it bro, he throws a beautiful football. So I'm watching all this and it's like, we won last year because Ryan Day's ego decided to be like, we're going to play the same game as Michigan. And they got punched in the mouth. Like they tried to run the ball against us and we just continue to keep it close that way.

I don't see Ryan Day making that same mistake again. And we're going to need some sort of passing threat and able to like, you know, continues to like five game win streak. So I just, I'm not going to apologize for winning. I think our defense is elite, especially when that Jayon Barshan kid, he's number one, he got hurt first series of the game. It's like an upper body injury. McCulley comes out with an injury.

All of our tightens are on our third string tied in. We're on our like third and four string linebackers except for that earnest. They get that transfer from Nebraska who's a dog. And so, you know, the bywicks coming at the right time. But we got to just, there's got to be another development of Bryce if we're going to go and, you know, compete for a playoff, a playoff spot. So who's left on the schedule? We got Northwestern at Wrigley Field.

We've got Maryland and then Ohio State. At Maryland. Maryland just fired their head coach. Yeah. Crazy. But the game, the game itself, like Jordan Marshall, like Justice Haynes, he didn't play in the game. He ended up getting surgery.

He's getting surgery. Who knows if he's going to be there for the Ohio State game or not. Marshall won's for 185. He has like 180, maybe 165, 185 all-purpose yards. Like our run games come alive and it stayed consistent. There was a couple throws of you. Okay, yeah, there it is. But just some mystery reads here and there that are just above me when it comes to quarterback development.

But you just want to see that next step taking these next two games going into because both these games are very, very winnable. It's just about can we show the development on the opposite side of ball so we're not so one-dimensional? Because I think we have a championship caliber defense. Our demons is that good. it's just about getting this kid to be who we think he is. And I think he is him. It was just, it was tough to watch this game and not walk away being like, damn. There's a couple throws here or there.

He's just a freshman, man. So we'll see. Yeah, if you guys can get to Ohio State as a two-loss team, like that, it's like the crop of Michigan, Ohio State. But Indiana, Oregon, USC. Yeah. And Washington's right now, correct? I think they're 20. Yeah, they're ranked.

Washington has to play Oregon still. And Washington always kind of does well against Oregon. There's a lot. Oregon's got to play Washington right now. No, no, no. Oregon's already played Indiana. Yeah. But they still got to play Washington.

They're still got to play USC. Like, it'll be, it'll be fun. This feels like, um, this feels like, um, this feels like it's going to be Ohio State and Indiana in the Big Ten championship. And then I don't know who wins that game. I think Ohio State wins that game. Yeah, I think Ohio State wins that game. Yeah, I think Ohio State, dude.

Their defense. I think the first eight games they've held every team under 17 points. It's just so impressive. Yeah, their defense is for real. They are absolutely for real. Matt Patricia, incredible higher in season when knows left to go to Penn State. Which is crazy. And then you got the SEC now.

SEC shaking or rattling the tree a little bit. Texas handling Vandy. Handling and then Vandy having a spark of life coming back in the end. Yeah. But it seemed like a little referee love, huh? And dude, the on, the two point was crazy. So nuts, man. Dude, and hey, the onside kick.

Bro. They literally almost had it. That would have been so sick. I know. They cut, yeah, if they would have came back that game, bro. It's nuts. Because Archmanning, it's like, as much as things change, they stay the same. Like, Texas is very much in it.

And can be a team like in the playoffs. All year. Bro. And one thing. Holding on. It's holding on, but also the offense kind of coming along. Like Arch Manning's had like close to around what, 700 yards and like six touchdowns. In the last two games.

Yeah. And I mean, like Vandy, everyone says Vandy is not built to come back. And obviously they didn't come back enough to win this game. But they made it interesting at the end because they were getting blown out earlier to where you see a lot of Twitter. Everyone's like, well, this game's over. Vandy's not built to come back. And Diego Pavia, man. Something happens.

Something's going on with the back end of that Texas defense because they just allowed things to happen. and it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting. Everyone's kind of fighting for the life in the SEC. The ACC, did you. And also, before we get off the SEC,

I get having integrity and having some respect. But if you're up for, and the cover and the spread is seven and a half, and you just, you're on the one yard line, Georgia Bulldogs, I need you to score.

Yeah, got to score. Yes, absolutely. If you're outside to five yard line, I get it. Take a knee. Take a knee. Yeah, I get taking a knee. But you on the one yard line. Score.

Score. Take a knee and then score the next play. Right. Yeah. I don't care, but you got to score. And, dude, yeah, Florida, I mean, they played a good game there. Georgia is just one of those teams that no one, everyone refuses to look at. Everyone's like, Georgia's just over there.

Ignore them, ignore them. They just continue to win games. It's because they have all these, like, close games. But they just, they just win. Yeah, I feel like they should have beat up on Florida a little bit more than what they did. Florida's got, I mean, the question isn't, has never been Florida's roster. Like, they have a very, like, they're a really good team. It's just they can't, for whatever reason, put it together.

Yeah. Yeah, but it's like, take off that uniform and you put on, like, the Penn State uniform. Nobody talks about Penn State like that way. We might acknowledge that they still have a roster. But nobody's sitting there and being like, hey, Penn State is still tough. They just haven't put it together. And people just continue to just stomp on them. down there.

When you get beat by UCLA, it's kind of hard to defend Penn State. Yeah, but I mean, Florida, Florida. They got beat by Georgia. They got beat by. Have they played Ole Miss? I don't know. Like, they've gotten beat by highly ranked teams. I mean, USF is not that.

At the time they were. UCLA at the time when they beat Penn State, they were like undefeated. Well, since they made their coaching change. No, I think that. One game. I think that was the first game. Then they went on a three-game run. That was the first game.

That was their first game. That was their first game. Still undefeated with the new coach. Yeah. What do we think about? Florida, I mean, LSU, that's a fraudulent LSU team when they lost to them 20 to 10. They only scored 10 points. Yeah.

Listen, the SEC is wild right now. This is where those conversations start to come in of the when it starts. Like once it gets into the offseason, the Big Ten SEC, I do think the SEC is deeper, But when we're getting to a point where it's like, hey, Florida's still a great football team. It's like, no, they're not. The SEC being deeper in Auburn, LSU, and Florida fired their head coaches. I know, bro. All these jobs that are open now.

Hey, Jack, what's the deal with Heipel coming up? Yeah, that's crazy. People say, yeah, people having the conversation about Heipel, not being the guy. That's insane to me. That's just classic Tennessee Twitter rhetoric. Just fans that are frustrated and upset after that could go down as one of his worst losses as his tenure. Obviously, he went to Oklahoma. That was a big prove-a-game in Neeland, night mode.

Supposed to shut down Mateer. He's running everywhere. Everywhere. We're beating ourselves around every corner we can. So many just small mistakes. They were giving them opportunities to score. We could have gone up 14-0 real quick in the first quarter. have that fumble.

Their guy tears a hammy still puts 80 yards on the field, gets to the end zone. It was just... Strip sack was wild. Max Gilbert misses a huge kick for us. Their kicker was on fire. It's brutal, yeah, to have an away team come in. I'm pretty sure what was the stand? I think it was Oklahoma's first away SEC win in SEC.

and since they've joined the SEC, which you don't want to be the first team to give up that loss. And the first time that they scored over a certain amount of points against an SEC opponent. 17? Yeah. Brutal.

Brutal. And it felt like we were in it the whole time until it just, we weren't. I mean, I don't even want to talk about Matt Malone and what he did at the stream. Well, what are you doing? So, Chef, obviously, Chef being the cycle that he is. Chef was like, I'm going to listen to the rest of the game

on the radio. I think there was maybe two and a half. half minutes left. Well, also remember Tennessee scoring chef was out of the stream room, so everybody's like, you have to stay out there. Yeah. But essentially, Matt Malone has the remote and decides to turn off the Tennessee game when there's probably a minute and 48 seconds left.

Yeah, I'm trying to be nice with that. And I'm like, I'm frustrated. I'm on my phone. I'm diving through Twitter, seeing what's going on. And then I look up because Nebraska's has ended and the World Series is going on. They put it on the main TV. and I'm like, where the fuck is the Tennessee game? And Matt goes, I turn that shit off, man, we're done.

And I go, I'm like... You're like driving. There was, like, a crucial moment. Jack's like, it's not over, and I pulled out my phone. I'm like, they just kicked a field goal. They're down six with over a minute left. Like, Matt Malone in the last few weeks has been inching forwards to being like a bona fide Tennessee fan again. And in that one moment, he stripped everything he's worked for.

And it, honestly, it, It could be a thing where I won't ever take his fandom seriously for the remainder of life. It will take a lot. I got to see what he's built for, especially in these last three games that we have. I don't know. It was brutal. The atmosphere, you know, in Neeland looked all time, just like you were saying about Nebraska. I thought the stream was so much fun.

All the boys there. Two blackout teams just getting their dick kicked in. Just in the foxhole together. Yeah. And, you know, the hopes of a playoff burst. are now over and you know the only thing I can look forward to is that the Titans and the Valls are both on the by week this week so big week for Jeff thank we God and I will be out of the state so yeah the energy was good the energy was fun all stream yeah because Nebraska started

first and oh my God bro yeah it started off three and out JP started off three and out and then a 14 play drive touchdown and we're just Juice, bro. Take the fight to him. Oh. I saw the shisties on Twitter and I had to get the ski back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Garrett ends up coming in.

He's got to pull down. Even Scarlet made it on stream for a minute. Yeah, yeah. She was being awesome. Just we're screaming and she's just a sleeve. Just shirt and shoulder. Like, fuck. No, it sounded like it was a lot of fun.

I was in hell. Until it wasn't. I was in hell Saturday. The foot, yeah? Bro. people are impressed by Dylan Raola walking off the field throwing wristbands people didn't see me Friday night with my kids full gout walking around and I'm in so much pain after that dude it was I was in pain walking down on the way back it was like inches I could barely walk I literally

thought about crawling at some point and we get to Saturday I wake up in the morning go to take my piss I put my foot in the ground dude and I might even my heel like my foot is so swollen I had to get crutches from downstairs And I was crutching around the house Elevated foot all day long Looking at the streamer on 6 o'clock Like kind of jealous like man I kind of want to go to that But I couldn't move

I could not move it was so horrendous What does it feel like? What does it feel like I've never? Dude so gout is it's like a uric acid buildup in your bloodstream And so when you have like sugar red meat Um Something else like there's a uric acid buildup And it all goes down to like your lower extremis you could happen in your hands or in your feet, and it crystallizes in your joints.

So there's like little sharp crystals in your foot that are like scraping, like, essentially irritating the joint. It feels like needles. And it, dude, it was the worst pain ever. I had, uh, Nathan, my lawyer was in town with all his kids. Saturday, I'm like, you guys have fun, man. Like, I'm like in the man cave foot elevated. Anytime I moved or anything, one kid came by and like, accidentally hit my foot almost

cried. Like it was, bro, I was in hell. I was in hell all weekend. Like Bailey was able to walk today. It's awful. King's disease? King's disease, I know. Wine, all the good stuff. Dude, we were, 22, yeah, we were playing the Jacksonville

Jaguars. And I, like, Wednesday night, we had, like, O-line dinner. Thursday wake up, I'm in so much pain. And I'm like, hey, I think I have turf toy. I jam my toe. And the the trader's like, hey, we think this is gout. I get tested. The york acid isn't that high. But that's when Vrable comes up.

He goes, got the King's disease, huh? And that's what I first learned about King's disease. But, dude. Thinking about you hobbling around dressed as Dobby? Bro, I was hurting so bad. I couldn't tell at the time. Thank you. We'll cover it on a bus.

We need to talk about football right now. Buddy, I'm telling you, I was in true hell. True hell all weekend. Yeah. Not about me. It's about the kids. Great goals. Just give great a little bit of a round of applause.

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How are we feeling, dude? Doing good, man. Doing good. How are you guys? Living the dream one day at a time. I don't know if you heard about my gout spell, but it's been a tough weekend. I just heard you talking about it right now. How did you get gout?

Dude, I have no idea. I truly have no idea, but I got for the first time in 22. Have had like three or four episodes, but this one's, started Thursday morning when we're in New York. I was going to say we're flying back. You're starting to feel it a little bit. Yeah. Like as like the show's going on on Get Up, I'm like, are you good now? I'm all right now. Like I'm doubtful for any game. But like I can't push off my foot, but I can walk around. I was on crutches yesterday and the day before. That's how bad it was.

So I'm a survivor, Greg. We'll, we'll make it through. I mean, I have a feeling if it was game day, you'd figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. I've never seen a guy on the injury report, Gout. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like you just can't. You just have to just refuse to let that even be real. I will say when I did have Gout in 2022, we played Jacksonville.

I end up playing that entire game. Didn't miss a snap. Of course. Because that's what we do. That's what we do. We play, baby. Hey, Greg, I don't know if you know it, but your squad, your team over there, you think, sent me a North County Raider, some North County Raider merchandise with my high school.

Why aren't you wearing it? I don't know. That's a great question now. I saw you pop on. How'd you like it? I love it. I loved it. It's pretty cool.

They're like, hey, Greg and his team, they sent you this, opened it up. I saw the blue and gold, NC Raiders, and it juiced me up, man. To bring back a lot of good memories with the boys. Oh, yeah. 80s rock in the locker room before and after the game, just getting after it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then the who's nuts.

Like before kickoff our stands, the bleachers, they'd just be stomping. And be like, who's nuts. Who's nuts? who's nuts? As the ball's getting kicked off and you go and, you know, obviously you're trying to deliver the biggest hit of your life

and to earn the hitman shirt for the next week. So a lot of memories. A lot of memories. Yeah. Klum pulled up on me. He hit me a box. He goes, hey, this was sent to you

and it was a chaparral 77 from your company as well. Like nostalgia out the gate, man. It's awesome. To be able to get cool gear for your school, your travel ball, premium. It's, I'm telling you, man. It's the only place.

People think we're crazy. People think we just make sideline videos yelling at kids. But there's a lot. There's a bigger play in all this that I think is super cool. Yeah. You got the Dionne's Daynes and we comment. Before we get into football, I noticed you a little sunburn going on? Where were you this weekend?

No, you know what? I don't know why. Here's my only two thoughts. You ready? Because it's funny. I just, I logged on and I was like, God, my face looks red. Two possible scenarios. A little bit of a reflection.

yesterday. It was a windy. It was overcast, but you know how you get like a windy. It's an open booth in Green Bay. Very windy. Heavy cloud cover, so not sunburn. But maybe like wind in my face, hair all over the place. Maybe a little wind. I also went, went to the club this morning, did a little like executive workout, did a little sauna, little shower, you know, just a little freshen up on a Monday. So maybe it's just a kind of the residual. of just getting the body temperature up. I'm not exactly sure why my face is red. Bro, what is, what's happening in Green Bay?

You called that game yesterday. Tough loss of the Panthers. You even had a, you even had something up top where they're talking about the coin flip, where they're kicking the ball, how it could end, where they could be utilizing the win in the end for a game winning kick. It comes back around.

I see you going back and forth with somebody on Twitter just being like, I was like you were on top of that strategy and how much strategy does go into. If people would just listen to the broadcast, they'd learn a lot. Yeah, I agree. But talk to us about covering that game yesterday in Green Bay because I lost to the Panthers, man, Jesus. Yeah, I didn't see it coming. I'll be honest. You know, I go neutral when I call Panther games. You know, some Panther fans think I hate them. The other team always thinks I'm a homer, which is fine. I try to just call it like it is.

I thought coming off that home lost, they looked bad against Buffalo, banged up offensive line. They were getting Bryce back. I thought the best thing they did was get Rico back, you know, Rico Daudel. Instead of splitting carries with Chuba, they just went right back to Rico getting all the carries. I thought that was a great move by Canales. He's just needed to happen. And listen, the exact way the game needed to be played, if you're Carolina,

muddy it up, take them into the mud, slow it down, limited possessions, make them go the long way. I mean, all the things that we set up at the top of the broadcast, it's very fun. funny that it works out exactly how Canales would dream it up, which is, you know, most teams get about 10, 10 or 11 possessions in a game. Green Bay had three in the first half, eight total. That's a win for them. They were over in the red zone. They settled for two field goals. They missed a field goal and they turned them all over twice. Like, that was the formula for only giving up 13 points if you were Carolina. I thought Green Bay tried to play the

game Carolina's style. You know, Carolina wanted to run it a thousand times. I think they just threw for over 100 yards. But that's what they wanted to do. And then I think Green Bay came in. Jordan loves playing as good a ball as anybody in the league. I think they're a better pass protecting group than they are a run blocking group up front. I think their run games okay. They're not overly explosive, but their past game is. I don't know how much the wind. I don't know how much the weather kind of got to the floor and just didn't trust pushing the ball. but they had their best success in the quick game pass. And I think every time you ran the ball,

every time you went first down run, you played exactly the way Carolina wanted that game to be played. And when it all came down to it, Bryce took him down on a nice, you know, end of game kind of minute, it was just under the two-minute warning. And 49-yard field goal into the wind, which we said at the top of the broadcast, you know, why win the toss and take the ball if you're the pay?

Panther is well twofold. A, you want to keep Green Bay's offense on the side. We just covered that. But B, by taking the ball when you win the toss in the first half, you get your choice of direction to start the third quarter. And they chose to get the wind for that exact same situation. Kicking going the other way was a disaster. They missed an extra point. Green Bay missed a field goal. And then obviously going the other way, which they ended the game, was the way they wanted to kick. So great decision. First decision was a great one. And the game cooperated if you're a Panther fan. Yesterday, lions lose, Packers lose. Rams look incredible.

Seattle looks incredible. Eagles on a buy week. You got a lot of these teams, two and three losses. Before the weekend started, I would have, I'm sure all of us would have assumed it's like lions, lions look really good, Packers look really good, dark horses were kind of the NFC West. Who would you have coming out of the NFC today to go to the Super Bowl? Yeah, 24 hours ago, Green Bay, you know, Green Bay, Detroit. Philly, you know, kind of the usual suspects there. After yesterday, I think Seattle,

I think Seattle's really good. I think Sam Darnold has carried over the Minnesota, Sam Darnold, or he won 14, and has picked up where he left off him and Kubiak. I think the way the offense has been built around him, big personnel, you know, it's a passing offense, and people continue to say that it's a run offense, which is another one of my Twitter, like, drives me insane when people just say things that aren't true. It irritates me. So, yes, I was shocked that, I'm a little shocked that Detroit lost. I'll be honest. I thought Minnesota was reeling a little bit. I thought Minnesota, the first couple weeks was a lot better than they were the last few games. I know there was controversy about, you know, getting

McCarthy back and, you know, when's playing banged up and why they didn't just turn back to JJ earlier. But they really answered the bell, Minnesota, so you got to feel good for them. But yeah, I still think when the dust settles, Philadelphia, I still think, you know, is the team until someone proves otherwise. I think Detroit's in the mix. I still think Green Bay, when everything settles down, is going to be in the mix. I still think they're very good on both sides of the ball. Detroit, Seattle, we said. San Francisco's kind of sneaky. You know, it's just so hard to think that they're going to continue to weather the guys that they're missing for long periods of time. yet all they do is figure out how to win. I think Shanahan's awesome.

You know, obviously McCaffrey and Kiddle. Those guys are incredible. Can they weather some of the defensive losses of Fred Warner? Can they make the playoffs? Yes. Can they win the Super Bowl? I guess anything's possible. I think it'd be tough.

But yeah, I think for the first time and a long time, I think the NFC is actually a deeper conference right now than the AFC. And you didn't even mention the Rams. Yeah. Oh, and the Rams. Right, right. But I'm saying, like, like the Rams, like that is how deep it is.

Yeah, so that's going to be San Francisco's challenged. The way it looks right now, they're going to have to get in as a wild card, as a, they're going to have to get three from the West in because barring a huge fall, you know, disaster. It looks like, you know, Seattle and L.A. look like they're in the running to win it. And then San Francisco obviously try to sneak that second wild card spot. But, yeah, I mean, NFC West might be the best division in football.

I mean, North, yeah, I mean, I think the NFSI. think the NFC for the first time in the last couple years is a deeper stable of teams that you could make an argument for competing. When the last couple years, you kind of felt like it was the AFC had more options to represent them in the Super Bowl between Baltimore, you know, Buffalo, Kansas City, of course. And then you had like how good of the Denver Broncos going to be, how good of the Chargers going to be. I kind of feel like the tide has shifted a little bit to the death of the NFC. Yeah.

Tampa Tampa I think they played really well It seems like they've lost It seems like they've lost every player on their team And they just continue to Baker Mayfield it out dude Yeah They had to figure out anyway

AFC is super interesting Because obviously we had the bills In the Chiefs game Which I'd love to get your thoughts on that But the Ravens they're making a run That we kind of all expect them to do After their by week Then you got the Broncos who are seven and two

Just beat the Houston Texans In a defensive battle So one can be said for both sides is like there are there's like five or six competitive teams on both sides you can go yeah i can basically see any of these teams making it to the super bowl on on either side but were you able to watch that bill's chiefs game at all i wasn't i was flying back i followed some of the game cast and on the plane i saw some of the highlights from from what i've kind of gathered the score actually wasn't even really indicative of how the game oh yeah i don't know if you

guys would agree with that that's kind of the gist that i'm getting you're getting it's kind of the gist that I'm getting from the follow-up. If there was a different team playing the Bills, when you're watching that game, you would think it's over. The only thing that kept your heart in it was knowing that Patrick Mahomes is on the other side

and truly anything can happen. They had a two minute at the end. I think they had like 45 seconds and then three plays, dice them up, get all the way down the field. Either way, still is a set-up, Mahomes, Allen, Bill's, Chiefs, rivalry game to where they're up seven

and Mahomes has the ball with about six minutes left. Yeah. And then he ends up throwing a pick around the four-minute mark in between four and five minutes. But it was, yeah, it was a juicy game there at the end. But it felt like the Bills, the whole theme of this episode for me, he's been taking the fight to him. But it does feel like the Bills kind of took the fight to the Chiefs out in Bill's Mafia land. Right, because the Chief's defense do such a great job against the run. The Chief's defense in general are very, very good.

But Bills, what they do? They lined up under center. They ran the ball. And every run they had, they set up a play action off of that run that was successful. So they had the Chief's defense guessing. Some rap leads. Some rap leads gashing him, Greg. You'd love it.

You love that film. Greg's not big in the run game. You heard the way he was talking about a week ago. Hates the run game. He thinks the numbers in the run game are ridiculous. Let's talk about the run game. I've been looking forward to getting on with you guys because Will teased me last week, you know, not teased me, but like tease that we were going to talk about some of these

bigger concepts. The run game is super valuable. I just hate hearing people talk up how the run game is, what sets the tone and sets the stage for everything else that we do. The run game is a great way to win games once you have the lead. The run game. Now, are you last year's playoff Philadelphia Eagles where you're running for 75-yard touchdowns? That's a different run game.

Yeah. That is more like an explosive passing game where now you're starting to get into the elements of what makes the pass more effective than the run is to generate more yards per play, generate more explosive plays. That's why the pendulum supports passing the ball. Now, if you can run the ball for 30 yards, 40 yard, 40 yard touchdowns, by all means, you should run the ball on every single play of the game. So that's a key point to make.

But the biggest advantage of a run game is third and short, fourth and short, goal to go, end of game, run the clock out with the lead. That's where a really good run game can alter effectiveness. this. If you want to score points across the board consistently over an entire season, in the regular season, if you want to score points, the correlation between passing the ball and scoring points is non-debatable. What do you got? I hate it. I think, listen, I agree with you that obviously passing the ball is going to correlate to more points. However, if you're a team like the Buffalo Bills.

And you have Josh John who the last couple weeks has been like a little iffy in his past game. They haven't been consistent of marrying the run to the past. To me, as an offensive lineman, a guy that wants to see a lot of balance, because I think balance plays a lot of really well, especially when you get into November and December, when you run the football effectively and you have play action passes off of it, it is way better for longevity of scoring consistently. And I don't know numbers, you're probably pulling something up.

I'm just saying, if you can. win first down, right, by running the ball by four more yards. He starts looking over and says, he says, he's going to pick up numbers on my ass. No, I'm just, if you can do that, go ahead. I'll make my point after. If you can run an outside zone to the left, right? And you run that play effectively. Then if you're doing that, now all of a sudden you have linebackers flowing to the left

side and you're pulling, you're pulling the ball. You have a bootleg. There's so much more open on the right side of the ball, the right side of the line of scrimmage. So I just think when you're able to run effectively, it opens up so much. more in the past game, which gets you down the field. And then if you run the ball effectively, then the third and short, fourth and one's goal to goes,

goal to goes, that is going to open itself up as well. It turns like if you have, if you can run outside zone of the left, and you have Taylor-Lan and Roger Saffold, and you have Derek Henry in the backfield, Ryan, Ryan Tannell, under center, and A.J. Brown on the outside,

and you can successfully run the football. I would run the ball there too. No, no, no, I'm not, okay, you run the ball to the right, whatever. I'm just saying if you're able to run, run plays that you can set up play action off of to get your shots,

especially when hit the middle of the field. That is a recipe for success, especially when you're under center, quarterback puts us back to the defense or the defense now. It's the second guest over and over again. If they're in a cover two, those linebackers are going to start cheating up a little bit.

It leads a lot more holes in the middle of that defense. That's the kind of offense I love, as opposed to just pass first always. Oh, I'm not saying, I don't, listen, you're not going to find a bigger supporter of under center, heavy personnel, 12, 13, under center play action, turn your back to the defense, pass game, than me. I think, and again, we're not talking about Washington, but I think what Washington,

and I hate seeing Jane Daniels got hurt, but that was an awful scene. But just because we watched them play last night, playing in the shotgun pass, it doesn't work. It is virtually an impossible strategy. You're seeing Jalen Hertz now get more under center. You're seeing Josh Allen get more under center. You're seeing Patrick Mahomes. that have played almost exclusively from the gun for the bulk of their careers are now getting

under center, turning their back because we all know play action is the most efficient and effective pass play, especially on first and second down. I'm not disputing any of that. But let's take Seattle last night. Okay. They are playing in 12 and 13. They run the fewest amount of 11 personnel. So they have three receivers on the field at one of the lowest, if not the lowest rate in the entire league. Okay, so the assumption is that, okay, people are so scared of their run game. They're playing heavy boxes, which they are. They're playing big base people, which makes sense when you bring out two, three tight ends. And what does Seattle do to you?

They throw the ball. He's 14 for 14 for 14, 15 for 15, whatever he is for 280 and four touchdowns at halftime. Do you know how many yards per carry for the season? the Seattle Seahawks average on the ground? Tell me. Five. Three point eight yards a carry. It's not great.

So I ask why, now listen, my point is what they're doing is exactly if I was a coordinator, what I would do. The question I have has nothing to do with Seattle. I give them all the credit in the world. My question is, why do these defensive coordinators and why do these media types, and why do these people at the podium continue to get up there

and beat the table about how, important it is to stop the run. Why would you walk into a stadium when Sam Darnold has the second most efficient passing game in the league? Why would you walk into the stadium and say, you know what we need to do? We need to stop the 25th ranked run game in football. We need to make sure they don't get out on us. And instead, you let Sam Darnold throw for 250 plus and four touchdowns at halftime. It doesn't make sense. If at the end of the game, you run the ball 25 times for 160 yards, unless 150 of them were in the second half because you're up by two scores, you probably lost.

That's fair. That's a fair point. It just, it doesn't, what people are saying and the talking points that get just spewed over and over and over. It's just not true. No matter how often people say it, it's not true. Now, Buffalo, they ran for 240 on the Panthers last week or, you know, two weeks ago. and Josh Allen didn't have to throw the ball. Yeah, because they averaged, he had 17 carries for 215 yards.

Of course you should keep handing the ball to James Cook. But that's not being an efficient run game at three and a half, four yards of carry. And people are going, oh my God, we can't let him go down our throat. Do you think that either team yesterday in the Green Bay Carolina game cared how much both teams wanted to run the ball at each other? And the final score was 1613. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair.

You just can't score any points unless you're going to score 50-yard rushing touchdowns. If you do, hand it to Saquan every play, and I'll be the biggest cheerleader out there. But that's not the reality of the league. Like most teams don't have Derek Henry and Saquan and guys that are going to take 50-yard touchdowns week in and week out. It's just not the way the league works. And that's just the way the modern game is being played. This last thing I'll say. Rushing attempts are not up across the league.

because offenses have come to the realization that you know what's in my best interest to score more points. I should run the ball more. It's because defensive coordinators, by and large, especially the really good teams, are saying, you know what, I'm going to play too high shell. I'm going to play nickel to base. I'm going to play light boxes. Run at me 40 times. Great. You're going to have less possessions. I'm going to fight my ass off to get a turnover or two and a kick a field goal or two in the red zone. and at the end of the game, you might score 20 points. And if I have a halfway decent offense, I'm going to score more than 20 and we're going to win. Yeah, I love this conversation.

I feel like I'm honestly, I feel like I'm learning a lot, listening to you two go back and forth about the run game. The conversation I was wanting to bring up last week that I said we could talk about this week is just kind of how teams are getting back to that 12, 13 personnel look, just the way the tight end has developed

over the last decade, I feel like, because again, you said it, the top, these top tier quarterback They've spent most of their career in gun, and now you see teams getting back to under center. And I'm just, I'm wanting to know your thoughts because I was kind of feeling it when I was a backer who would play mostly in base personnel when I was in a backup role

or even as a starter and you'd go to third down and I might come off the field. Or if you had a team that would be in 12 personnel, but it's because they're doing more predominant 11 looks. So you're like, hey, we're going to play nickel to this. So you're kind of deciding as a coordinator, do you want to run, do we want to put a nickel package in there against base? And now it's, to me, you almost, at times you could make a mistake putting in nickel bodies in base packages because against these teams like Seattle who can have 12, 13 personnel and give you traditional

12 and 13 personnel looks, then you can kind of look to, hey, we might be running the ball more this game because they are staying in nickel packages. I think it's fascinating how it's developed again back to getting, I'll say getting under, After listening to your guys' conversation, I would, beforehand, I would have said getting back to run game type personnel, but getting to more under center personnel because there was a shift over the last decade of, hey, we need to put our smaller bodies because even though they're in 12 personnel, they're predominantly lining up in 11 looks. I know that makes sense to you, but for people out there listening or watching this, 11 personnel is wearing you're having three receiver looks. Teams would take 12 personnel, so two tight ends, one running back, and they would make. a tight end be more of a receiving tight end and flank him out or or cut him away from the line of scrimmage to where now it's you're having to make a decision to are we going to be in more

base packages versus these 12 13 personnel looks and i'm just kind of curious of what you've seen over the last decade of this shift coming back to under center run game and how again it's like coordinators are it's like are we going to stop the run you're a little bit more vanilla when you're in base packages because you've spent most of the last decade or so 15 years building out a lot more complex nickel dime packages to where it's like, hey, now we're going to make the call. Are we going to play base to this 12, 13 personnel team? Because a lot of these 1213 personnel teams like Seattle is having a lot of success

just being under center now and looking more old school. Yeah. So, and I can give you, again, when it first kind of dawned on me, but everything you're saying is where the conversation needs to start going towards because what you're saying is 100% what's happening. The 2022 season, that playoffs, we called the Super Bowl, we had Detroit and San Francisco in one of the playoff games. I don't remember maybe the divisional round or I can't remember exactly what round of the playoffs it was. And the conversation back then was San Francisco was so good in 21 personnel. Okay,

so they had two receivers. They had McCaffrey, Kittle, and Ushack. And they could be in a type plays because of the flexibility of McCaffrey and Eusecheck and Kittle. They could be in 12 types, so two tight end type stuff because of Eusecheck and Kittle. And it was putting a lot of pressure on defenses. And one of the big issues that the Lions were having that year was matching those base personnel looks. And we said at the top of that broadcast, this was three years ago, that Aaron Glenn at the time was the coordinator, that if I was running the Detroit Lions defense, that they should not worry about personnel at all.

And they should only play down and distance. On first and 10, the tendencies of the Shanahan office was under center play action pass. So play under center play action pass. If they hand the ball off and get seven yards, so be it. And just go through down and distance tendencies and play your personnel, whether it's four or five man fronts, whether it's three safeties, three linebackers,

four, whatever your personnel groupings are, and base them off down and distance. So that was two and a half years ago that we were having that conversation of a playoff game, and that is exactly what the Lions did. Anyway, fast forward to today. The conversation that needs to be had is why do the Rams play almost exclusively 11,

yet are very good at running the ball? And the answer is because they build 11 personnel groupings. You play me and nickel. And I'm going to line up in tight condensed splits with in the old days, Cooper Cup. Nowadays it's Pooka Nakua and company. And those guys are good edge blockers. I'm going to add gaps to the run game that now all of these defensive backs,

five, six defensive backs and nickel and dime have to fit the run. And I'm going to get all those big bodies off the field because you're going to match nickel against my 11. and I'm going to run the ball at you in first and second down, and then all of my play pass stuff looks exactly like that because the way McVeigh builds it. Now flip it to last night with Seattle. They're doing the opposite.

They're bringing big bodies onto the field under the assumption that you're going to match me with big bodies, and I'm going to make you go big to throw it. And L.A. is trying to make you go small to run it. And that's the starting point of everything they're trying to do. They are manipulating the personnel groupings you bring on the field, and then they are going to play the game accordingly. That's why, if I was running defenses, I would match things more often than not on tendencies of down and distance. Where I don't care if you come out in 12 personnel.

If I know you're a first and 10 past team, I'm going to play first and 10, two high safeties. And I'm going to, if you run it, you run it. That's where the league I think is going from the conversations I have with defense. of coordinators and really smart defensive people, that's the indications that they're giving me. If you don't give up explosive runs, which teams are now starting to realize putting more guys at the first and second level, actually on a play-by-play better, you'll like this, Will.

On a play-by-play basis, defenses will support the run better in eight-man spacing, 5-3 spacing, 4-4 spacing, like more first-and-level defenders. but what we're finding is against Derek Henry and Saquan Barkley and those kind of backs, the explosive runs are happening against single high coverage because once that play pops through, it's gone. Yeah. So teams are going, you know what I might give up five or six, but I'm not going to give up 50. I'm going to put a net.

I'm going to play everything from high to low. I might be light at the line of scrimmage, but that's okay. And I'm not going to let you run the ball for 40 plus yard plays and chunk me to death in the run game. that's a problem. The good teams are all doing that. The bend but don't break, make you go the length of the field, make you snap it again. I could get a sack.

I could get a holding call. I could get a false start. Every time an offense snaps the ball, something bad can happen. And that's become the model of today's NFL. And I think it's just going to continue to go more and more that way because teams don't want you to throw the ball and they really don't care if you run it.

Yeah. Yeah, this is, I could talk about, we could talk about this all day long. I just think it's so fascinating because, again, you brought up the Rams in the way that they're able to run the ball in 11 personnel. Because usually, again, when you're going nickel bodies, you back, like back in the day, the nickel wouldn't be coming in. It had to be very savvy in the run game. Say, hey, you're going to have the B gap on this snap. They're only going to run it a few different times. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hey, it's swell personnel. And he's breaking the running backs and legs because he's so physical. That's a different animal. Yeah, yeah. And also, even in the bigger person. So take the Buffalo Bills, for example, like the development of the linebacker over the course of the decade has gotten more athletic, faster, maybe a little smaller and leaner. And if you take the Buffalo Bills second level, they're a little light in the ass. So when you're going against these 12, 13 personnel teams, it's where you could struggle in the run game because you don't have bigger bodies.

And then you get caught between a rock and a hard place on, you know, when you hit free agency or what you're trying to stop or eliminate. Do you get bigger bodies now? It's just been fascinating to see these offenses adapt year in and year out to the personnel. It's like, again, we've been a little bit more gun, run heavy in the gun. Past games opened up because bigger bodies have been out there. Now we're making teams go nickel. Hey, now we've learned that if we go 12 personnel, we have very athletic tight ends. He can block at times.

He could be a receiving threat. Now they're a lighter in the ass across the second level lining up against 12, 13 personnel. Now we're able to run the football more because the second level is now, lighter because of how defenses has had to adapt over the last decade to a passing threat offense. This is what I just sit back and think about. And I'll give you another one that's super timely. Buffalo, they play a ton of 13. So three tight ends.

They get, they get Knox, Kincaid, and then the rookie. They don't do as much 12 as you would think with Knox and Kincaid because when they go 12 with Knox and Kincaid, what defense do they bring Now, what personnel group? They play nickel. So you lose all of your advantage, and Kincaid isn't really going to gain that advantage back. So to be an early down passing team out of 12, Buffalo has said, you know what, that doesn't really do anything for us. But you know what?

Does get you in base and does get a lot of big bodies on the field? 13. Yeah. And then you know who my Z receiver, in essence, is Dalton Kincaid. So now I have Kincaid. I have my X, whichever receiver they leave on the field, depending on the play. And then Dawson Knox is the, is like the F. And then the rookie is the big Y.

He's like the on the ball, true tight end. They could line up in double wing and run it down your throat. Or what they like to do is they can spread you out and they can throw it because they feel like that's the one personnel grouping. Right. They are getting a pass advantage because they're not great on the outside. They're not dominant at the outside receiver. So they're doing it with screen games to Shakir and they're doing it with play action pass to the

tight ends and obviously James Cook in the run game and the screen game. So it's another great example of Buffalo and Joe Brady being really intelligent of how do I get big bodies on the field when I want to throw it? And how do I get more little bodies on the field when I want to run it? Right. That's what everyone's doing. And if you match personnel, you're as a defense, you are now at the mercy of the offense. Right.

They're dictating to you who's on the field. And making the secondary even especially corners like play savvy. in the run game enough to mess with their eyes and hit them on these play action passes. Of course. And again, without getting into the weeds, too complicated on all this, but this is where the McVeigh, Shanahan, wide receiver, pre-snap, jet motion and all that stuff that everyone looks at and goes, man, it's to distract the linebackers. It's not distracting the linebackers. This is not middle school football where you send a guy in motion and all 11 guys on defense, watch him go. It changes the run fits. Yeah. It changes now that that backside nickel

who's an edge player off the slot, all of a sudden that guy goes in fast motion, he's now the backside BGat player. And we're running wine back inside zone. And he's at the point of attack now. And the front side linebacker, who's Will Compton, he's your run player, he just got bumped to the edge because now it's a three by one formation. And he's got to play outside the box. And he can't make the tackle.

Like, that's what's going on in all of this. And it's a hard thing to get across in the broadcast because the timing and it's a little in depth. It is a fascinating evolution of offensive football the way that it's being played nowadays. Because, again, even the defensive back, like just the inexperience of playing very detailed on the run game, you get them to pat their feet just for a second and the gap's going to move or you're going to get the body on them eventually. And just that little bit of enough inexperienced to where, hey, you're putting them in a very much a run conflict situation to where that's all you need to pop an. supposed to play. Let me ask you this. You brought up the bills of the 13 personnel. It's the only way

to get these defense is to go into base. If you are a defense coordinator game planning against the Buffalo Bills, how are you playing their tendencies? This is kind of for both of you. Oh, sorry. I guess it depends what my team is, right? I guess I would have to look at my personnel and say, right? So what's been the advantage of the Eagles over the last couple years? It's twofold, right? So as I'm building it, if I put my defensive coordinator hat on here, my first question how good is my offense? And if I say my offense is a 25 or more points per game, maybe we're even closer to 28,

I'm sitting there saying, I don't give a shit how much you run the ball on me. You're not going to score 28, 30 points a game doing that. I'm going to play high shells. I'm going to control the front. I'm going to control the run game with my front. That's been Philadelphia for the last couple years, right? That's Vic Fangio's kind of touch on NFL defenses over the last decade

is high shells, everything from the top down, be really dominant at one or two spots in the defensive line, and those guys control the game. And now my back seven are all past first, run, second, downhill run and chase players. If that's my personnel and my offense is that compliment, that's exactly what I'm going to be. It's why Dallas really struggled last year, and everyone overreacted to Dallas needs to be better against the run.

Well, in 2003, when DAC was a potential MVP, and they're scoring 30 a game, no one talked about Dallas's run game because it was Trayvon Diggs and it was Duran Bland having picked sixes and Micah Parsons having stripped sacks with DeMarcus Lawrence and they're just rushing the passer the entire game because you can't run and keep up with DAC in a 30 point offense. Dak gets hurt. All of a sudden the passing game goes to shit and it turns into the Rico Dowdle run game. Well, all of a sudden now we're playing a lot lower scoring games as a result because I'm not chasing Dallas anymore and I can run the ball for four quarters and all of a sudden

the weakness of the smaller bodies, the lighter bodies, the way Dallas built that defense over the years to complement a 30-point offense has now completely broken down. So I guess to answer your question, how good's my offense? Am I playing low 20s, high teens games, or am I making this a race to 30? That changes my decisions drastically. And then do I have one or two interior defensive linemen that are just an absolute game wrecker that I can hold the front? And you might get me here and there, but at the end you ran 20.

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speaking that would be my approach yeah and just understanding your back seven like again And it's like if you're sitting there stuck between a rock and a hard place, are we going to go bigger personnel this game or not? Well, if we're going to go an extra backer here, an extra backer here, number one is he detailed enough in the past game to where he can run and play in space. And if not, do you have a secondary level guy or a defensive bad guy who can play in the run game and be like, all right, we'll give up some in the run, but we really need this guy in the back end to eliminate some of the explosives through the air.

So it all depends. and it's just been, it's just fascinating to watch this game continue to adapt, you know, a few years at a time and then see teams go after certain body types, certain body types. Like again, even when the tight end was becoming more of a receiving threat with all these very athletic tight ends, Jordan Reed was one of them for us,

to where you're kind of more, you're trying to get teams more out in space, but anytime you knew Jordan Reed was in the game, let's just say he was number 85. If you knew 85 was in the game, you're going to put lighter personnel out there because you know 90% of the time they're going to throw a pass

because it's Jordan Reed versus if you got Logan Paulson 82 who's a blocking tight-in. Now you're just seeing these semi-positions become just super-athletal like these freaks that they're finding that can kind of do both things. To Greg's point with Buffalo

where you could put 13 out there and Kincaid can play the X or play a receiver. So I... It's what Kyle Pitts. They tried to do with Kyle Pitts. It's what they tried to do with Kyle Pitts. It's what they tried to do with Kyle Pitts. in Atlanta with Arthur Smith. Yeah, yeah. Yes, great example. It's the exact same thing. The problem

was early in his career, and I haven't had an Atlanta game this year, so I don't want to make a blanket observation because I haven't watched Kyle play this year. But obviously freak athlete, wide receiver type, body type, skills, ability to move. I mean, he's a rare dude to have TE next to his name. The problem was they played him as a Z receiver and you lose a little bit of your matchup, right? Like, I, the worst thing for me, The best thing for me in my career, I'll just speak about myself. It's easier than judging other guys. Early in my career, when I came out, when we went two tight ends in Chicago, Desmond Clark, who was the other tight end with me, the vet, he was the Y.

He was the true tight end. And I was the F. I was in the slot. I was the third receiver. That was never my game. I was not comfortable out there. I didn't want to run choice routes. I didn't want to run underneath.

Like, that was not who I was. The best thing for my career was playing the Y. because I was the why, whether it was 12, 11, 13, 21, it didn't matter. I was the why. So my matchups were linebackers and safeties. I was in the run game. So I was in the game every single snap. So there was no tendencies.

Hey, Olson's in the game. Let's play nickel pass. Olson's not in the game. We can play run. Like when you can play every down and you don't have to be so predictable in your personnel groupings based on your tendencies. Right. That was the best thing that ever happened to me.

If I had to play early in my career when Charles Woodson's, was in Green Bay. Don Capers was the decorinator, and then I forget who took over for him. My rookie year, we're breaking the huddle, and I got Charles Woodson guarding me in the slot. They made him like a dime linebacker. So, I mean, this was 15 years ago.

Yeah. And they made him the dime linebacker. They played two high safeties. He, in essence, became the other nickel. And he would play me two men in the slot. And he was a Hall of Famer. And I was in my first and second year. That was a bad matchup for me.

I'm saying put me back in the box. I want to run routes against linebackers. I don't want to guard a hall. I don't want a Hall of Fame defensive back. Who's a corner now at this part playing safety. That's not in my best interest, but teams played us nickel to 12 early in my career. And the better I got at blocking and the better I got at being on the field

in all personnel groupings, the more of an advantage I got in the passing game. Think about you in some of these offensive schemes nowadays, Greg. Oh my God. Bro. It's like that that's I watch the league nowadays and I'm like, oh. And just seeing how much offenses have grown schematically, the thought process, utilizing the personnel.

Like that's why George Kittle is such a beast because he's somebody who, again, who can be a true why. He can block. He can receive. Versus like a Travis Kelsey to where you'll have that extra tight end in there, maybe they give some disguise and you've kind of got some freaks around him on the outside. It's where you can still be in the gun at times. You know he's more of a, a past savvy tied in.

But like yourself, Greg, like Kittle, Gronk. Yeah, Gronk was a big one that changed a whole lot of things because you have no idea how to seem up against them. It's a great cut. You guys got me, I'm taking my jacket up. You guys got me so talking ball. I'm sweating. Yeah.

It is so interesting to see like the thought process of defensive coordinator. Are you playing against the personnel? You're playing against tendencies. And it's something that as an office alignment, you don't only think about. You just think, okay, we're in 12, 13 personnel. They're going to bring base out here. And now it's like, that's no longer the case.

When I was playing, that's how it always was. Hey, we're going to put bigger bodies in the field because we had a Delaney Walker. Yeah. Who was kind of that wide tied end that could, he could run block a little bit, but also he was one of our best past catchers. And you just, you start to learn the game of chess that has to take place week in and week out. And then hearing about, hey, how's my offense? Because that's going to change dramatically how I call this defense. It's, it's awesome.

The guys are more versatile now. Taylor's in a great place. The guys are just more versatile now, Taylor, than they were. or, you know, even when we were playing five, you know, I'm out five years. So eight years ago, 10 years ago, like guys are more versatile, right? There's receivers now that are legitimate threats in the run game, blocking edges, adding gaps to the defense. Like, Pooke, well, yes.

In the line of scrimmage. Pooka Nukau. When did we ever, what was the, when we used to run run game, especially even nickel 12, it didn't matter what it was. Nickel run. The receivers were out on the numbers playing Patty Cake with the corner every once in a while if it was quarters and it was Bob Sanders or. It was a dude at safety.

We would crack replace and we would go and the receiver would go dig out that force player. That was the extent of receiver run game responsibility. In a lot of these offenses now, especially the real tight condensed formations of a floor tree, I mean, the McVeigh and Shanahan type tree, you can't play in those offenses as a receiver if you don't block. Yeah. So it's just a completely different mindset now. And, you know, we can say the same thing about running backs, right? like the McCaffrey's of the world.

Like McCaffrey's McCaffrey because of what he can do in the passing game. He's a receiver. He is so uniquely talented compared to other running backs. That's why his value is so much higher. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like I would sit there in defensive meetings when they'd be going over. If like, say I would be the guy out going nickel against like 12.

And I would just be sitting there thinking in my head, why wouldn't the offense is just, if we're going to run nickel this, if I'm the OC and I kind of see that, running nickel, knowing how they're trying to coach this nickel right on, hey, Mike's going to make the close call, let's say left. You just go line up on the right, find the open bubble. That'll be your gap. I'm thinking in my head, if OC's just understood this conversation being had, why wouldn't

they just live in this personnel, keep us in nickel, and force this defensive back to play in the run game, enough so to where now he's all fucked up because he's trying to commit to the run game so much, and now you crack him over the top with a play action pass. and now seeing it happen, it's just, it's fascinating. You're ahead of your time. I'm like sitting there, I'm just thinking in my head, if you're just, if that OC was just sitting in this meeting room and knew this is how we were kind of trying to adjust,

like, hey, they're going to be in 12 personnel, but they're kind of going to show us more 11 looks than anything else. We're just going to stay a nickel. And if they do line up at ace or put two tight ends in, hey, buddy, here's where you're going to kind of fit. It's going to be unlikely. But if it does happen, just take care of this B gap on the backside for us. How many teams over the years when they brought two tight ends, let's be honest,

how many teams could bring two tight ends in 12 and be equally good in the passing game, both guys, not just the F. Right. Both guys be equally good in the passing game and both guys equally good in the run game. How many offenses in the last 10 years have been able to do that? Do you have the answer? It's not very many. It's less than a handful.

Yeah. Yeah. But now it's trending to where you're calling. Because these body types are changing. Yes, yes. That's what I mean. I think it's a lot. My point is it's a lot more relevant today.

Yeah. Than it was earlier in my career where there was, that's the blocker, that's the receiver. And we're going to treat them as such, even though if they're both in the game, I don't care if we call them tight ends, H-backs.

That guy could be a right tackle. Yeah. He has zero threat to do anything in the passing game outside of a spot route or it's sticky. That guy, he's not digging out a C-gap power player. He's not cutting off the backside zone. He is a F wide receiver. That was the game when I came into the league 15 years ago.

That has really been muddy. The lines have been blurred between the ability to do multiple things, not just that tight end, running back, wide receiver, O line. Like, it's a lot more positionless in today's NFL on both sides of the ball than it was when I came in the league 15 years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, I love this boys. Yeah, yeah, this is.

This juice me up. The tight end. How many 270-pound three-four linebackers play in the league anymore? Levant Kirkland and those Pittsburgh Steelers guys. It's like you see guys every now and then. It's like Nick Bolton. Like that's somebody who we stick and will knock your dick in the dirt, but he can also run. He can rip.

Yes. Because who's the guy for him? How much you think he weighs? Ah, 240? Maybe. Yeah. 245. But when we can do, right?

He's like six linebackers. Especially if you were a three-four, like all those AFC North teams. you know, the Steelers and the Ravens. I mean, when I first came in a league, three, four base linebackers were 260 pounds. Yeah. Nose guards in three four were 350. Yeah.

Yeah. And then they would walk off the field and you would go nickel and they would, the lines being blurred between you're a three technique, you're a nose. Sure, you're a mic or a will. I don't know you all kind of everyone kind of looks

the same body type wise oh here's how we're going to defend this wide zone scheme now it's coming into the league right like we had very different we had mess up so much which I think it's super fun

to talk about we I had Terrence Knighten in front of me one year was on like the back great example and he was they called him pot roast like he was massive like 350 360

you would just have to if there's a if there's a YU tied in it's like you're having to gas him and just get him going to the side of where you're assuming

the wide zone's going to be just to get them running. Dude, my rookie year, we were playing the Bengals, and they just most recently played the Ravens, and I saw Ray Monoluga on a pinpole scheme, take a tackle out, like declet him. And it's like, you don't really see that anymore, those types of linebackers that are just like, cowboy caller-esque type guys,

the Ray Lewis is that are just murdering people down there. So ask yourself why? Because the evolution of the tight end, it seems like, right? The tight end has truly changed. Ray Lewis probably, Bray Lewis is probably not the example, even though he was that big, tight body.

But the reason those guys can't play anymore is because they're not three down players and their weaknesses, as physical as they are and as stout as they are in the run game, their liabilities in coverage, their liabilities to match man. And if you're forced to only play zones, can they tackle in space?

Can they cover? Like, the liability and coverage is not worth the advantage gained by their stout and physicality in the run game. because defenses realize this guy might be great stopping the run. But if he's an absolute liability in the passing game, he can't be on the field. Yeah. He is going to be attacked. He's going to be isolated.

And we are going to die a lot faster death. This guy being exploited in the run game in the passing game than him on first and second down being really good against will lead ISO. Like, it just doesn't matter. And those superstars, they don't really walk around. It's like you got Keith. Yeah. And then, of course, you get the guys that can do it all. I mean, there are good backers who can play all three downs,

but at a superstar level like a Keekley and Fred Warner, like they're, yeah, those guys, that's why when you get them, you pay him $30 million and you don't let him walk out the door. Yeah, yeah. There's always exceptions to all of these rules, right? Like, that's why those guys are the elite of the elite, but every other team is trying to figure out.

Most teams are trying to figure out how to be good in all these areas without just having the best player on the field. If you have the best player on the field, it makes coaching a lot of these intricacies a lot simpler. Yeah, you got to assume too. These are how a lot of these staff meetings probably go and trying to game plan. Yeah. What bodies are we going to be putting out there?

This was fun, Greg. It all goes hand in hand. It all goes hand in hand. What are we going to see eye formation again, 22 personnel? You saw some, yeah, you're seeing it. Again, like yesterday. Downhill ISO type stuff. Yesterday, Joe Brady, they were gashing them with some rap leads.

In 12, like 22 personnel, like some good old-fashioned rap. please that we're gashing them spags they adjust to it in the second half but again it's like you're just seeing some of these old like some of the traditional sets just coming back whether or not it's all run game and everything else but it's been fun it's been fun to i think teams should do it more now does everybody have a fullback that's a different conversation that's kind of a lost art but like i think teams should run more too back i think it really works well under center play action i think it really does a stressful job on the defense changing gaps and now we're splitting with the lead blocker, right?

So now that B gap will insert play that everyone ran for, it was like the first install any of us ever learned, right? It was eye formation to the weak side and the fullback and the will linebacker just smashed into each other. Yeah. Well, the part we never learned back in the day that now defenses are realizing is, well, all of a sudden, that B gap became two gaps.

So now you need to have two players, someone on the outside of the blocker inside. It's hard teams. These kids don't grow up fitting fullback ISO anymore. They don't do two-back power anymore. Like, these guys are not used to defending these plays. So if you are good at that element, it can be a very effective kind of wrinkle that defenses are not accustomed to defending. Yeah. Yeah. Before we get you out of here. Yeah. What do you got? Ravens destroy the dolphins. The dolphins fire their GM, Chris Greer, but they don't fire McDaniels.

How do we feel about that? So I'll be, I want to be very clear. I, never call for anyone to get fired. I think we're in a society where I've been cut, I've been released, I've been traded, I've been on teams where my position coach got fired, and I had to sit in his office and like literally sit there and be like, dude, I failed you. Like my tight end coach, you got fired. Like that was because of me or offensive coordinator, head coach. I've been on a team with the head coach.

So I've experienced all that. So I never, I think we're in a society where fans really disconnect, like these are human beings with jobs and families and they're losing their livelihood and they got to uproot and go somewhere else. I get why because the environment and the competitive spirit. So I just want to preface it by saying I don't ever root for anyone to get fired. Yeah. I was shocked that if a change was made, it was going to be in the front office. Like watching that game, I don't know if at any point now, are they the most talented roster? No. But did I watch that game and be like, man, if the GM did a better job, they wouldn't have wasted that time out.

Or the GM did a better job. They wouldn't have gotten that illegal formation. Or like all the little details that kind of fell apart for Miami, especially early in that game when they were still competitive and they were in it, I don't, to wake up the next day and see change was made, maybe wasn't surprising. I'm not saying I would have fired Mike, but I don't know.

That just felt, that felt personal. That felt like it had been brewing and there was personal animosity. between ownership. Again, I'm speculating. Right. And front office and like the owner just felt like we have to do something. We're in bed with this coach. He's our offensive play caller. We don't want to replace the OC and head coach, which ultimately you would be doing. But our fans are also not going to wake up this morning and just say status quo is acceptable. So it kind of felt like that to me. But that was a tough, that was a tough ball to watch. There was a lot going on in that game.

just bad ball. They were in fourth and goal once, and I think they went maybe an empty and threw a fade ball to the running back in the slot. This might be his favorite red zone. And I'm like, what in the fuck? It was, yeah, it was horrendous to watch. You want to throw a first down jump ball

to Justin Jefferson? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, the reason why I even brought that question up is, uh, running back. The reason why even bring that question up was that Stephen A. Smith the next day he's going on a tangent.

I think he was making like a racial thing about everything going down there. I'm not going down that road. I'm looking at from a longer play standpoint where you know Mike Daniels at the end of the year when it's the the Black Friday or the Black Monday whenever they start getting rid of head coaches. I think his name ends up getting called and cut where the dolphins need a new head coach. The thing that I think makes this a good move or where I can look at it and be like, okay, I can see why they did that was you look at teams like the Titans or other franchises that have had like this up and down where you hire a head coach, then you get a general manager. Those two don't necessarily get along. So then you fire the head coach and then

it's kind of back and forth. We're losing one, gaining the other. You're behind the eight ball somewhere. Always. So maybe in this way, like you know who your general manager is going to be in the future. You figure that out to where you know who his guy is going to be. So it can be one smooth transition when he gets the new year, the new year, the new season. And you have a GM, a head coach that are aligned with the ownership. That's the only place I can look at them and be like, all right, maybe this is a good chess move for the dolphins. Am I making any sense in that? You're saying if you get rid of the GM now, you're on the lookout. You're trying to figure out your GM.

You're going to find out your GM guy who's essentially going to be as well. Because you go get, you fire the head coach and the GM's there. Well, obviously they're not happy with the GM. He gets rid of the whole entire secondary from last year. Their secondary is not great. Like they haven't done a good job of establishing a competitive roster. So he's going to be gone as well. You might as well get the top piece first before you insert this head coach piece.

So everyone's kind of a line top to bottom. Does that make sense? Yeah, I can buy that. I think there's an order of operations. Yeah. That is part of this whole entire picture, right? And then you factor in how many teams have we seen do the alternating front office head coach, draft the quarterback, then fire the coach.

And that song and dance just ends up, you end up chasing your tail. There is an order of operations that makes sense to all of us. It doesn't feel like that's the order that most teams end up operating in. I'd also add to that. Like, when was the last time? I mean, I guess when the Panthers fired, they fired Rule and promoted Wilkes, I would argue that they got better. But traditionally speaking, what team that's so bad that they fire their coach during

the season promotes an interim and things get better? Like, let's look at this year. Like, are the Titans better? I mean, you follow them, obviously, Taylor. Like, have things gotten better because they fired their coach in week five? No, I think so. Did last year with the Jets when they fired Sala, did things get better? I mean, like, generally speaking, firing your head coach might feel good.

It might just stop having that question asked in the press conferences and articles stop being written. But as far as actually affecting the outcome and the competency of your football, there might be a couple outliers where interim coaches have actually improved it. Wilkes is the first one that comes to mind in Carolina. Wilkes, Basaccia. with the Raiders a few years ago when Gruden went out? I mean,

Mike Balarkey, when he was the Intermed coach, we won one more game, we went 9 and 7 the next year. Yeah, but overall, overall, overall. Yeah, so there's a couple outliers. Traditionally speaking,

it just continues to unfold. Right. You fire- You're usually bad for a reason. You're usually getting fired for a reason. Every now and then, can a message connect better? Sure, when we fired Ron

Rivera with, I don't know, three games, two or three games left in our 2019 season, it got exponentially worse. Like, I don't know. I just, I'm not a big fan of just like doing shit for the sake of doing it. If it's not going to have, if there's not someone on that staff that you go, oh man, let's make this guy the head coach and I want to see what turns around. If that guy's not potentially your full-time head coach going forward, there's no reason to make them the interim for the next seven games and just delay the inevitable.

Yeah, I agree with that. Fire head coach with three games left is just insane. That's the pressure of the outside and always getting to you. Antonio Peters. Maybe it was three or, it might have been four games. You get past that week eight mark and there's not a guy that you're essentially saying, let's see what this dude's resume is as an interim head coach on your,

in staff. There is no reason. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it is like a tryout kind of a thing. if you feel like there's the person on your staff. And I guess that's probably fair. There's also this fake reality of like getting a head start.

I don't buy that. Like I don't think in today's day and age head coaches are like, well, I don't really want to go to the Tennessee Titans, just for example. Like, you know, I don't want to go to Tennessee, but they fired their coach so they could contact me earlier. So I'm just going to take that job instead of waiting to see. I don't think that's how the system works. I think good coaches get hired,

whether you fire your coach in week five or you fire your coach in the second round of the playoffs. I think, I don't know. I don't know. I just think a lot of that is overblown. Yeah, I agree with that. I'm solid.

Greg, you are the man, bro. Do you have any more for him? No, I appreciate you. Great, thanks taking time. Great ball talk. What coach is jumping on today? Who do we got to that? Last week we had Elko jump in.

Yeah, how cool was that to hang out with Elko? It was great. Dude, seeing you guys talk about a couple of Jersey boys just hanging out for a little bit, that was awesome. Yeah. We got Tony. Tony Vee's coming on the bus, new manager for the San Francisco Giants. I interviewed him on my pod a couple weeks ago, like literally two weeks before he took

that job, I interviewed him. He's the man, bro. He's awesome. He is awesome, but he's coming on the bus to join us. I don't know if we have any head coaches tuned in. Yeah, no. No, not this week. Just you.

Well, you guys are the best, man. I always love coming on and talking ball with you guys. Appreciate you. All right, Greg. Thank you, bro. Let's get a big round of applause real quick. Appreciate you, Greg. Appreciate you.

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verified warning this product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical let's get back to this episode uh subscribe by the way stealers beating the colts Yeah, I mean, $179 million defense. You know what the biggest thing was? They got after the fucking quarterback, dude. You watch all the film of Steelers. It seemed like all that money up front. High Smith, Watt, who's the D-Tackle?

Cammer-Haward. Cameron Hayward. Like, they weren't really getting to the quarterback at all, but this game, for whatever reason, against an offensive line who gave up the second-most sacks in the NFL, they were getting after Daniel Jones's ass. And that was the biggest difference maker to me when watching that film. Yeah.

Who's last name Peyton, 41? Peyton Wilson, he's NC State. He was a linebacker that we got late in the draft because he has no MCL's and his knees. Best linebacker in that class, dude. Bro, he can run to. Combine dog. Like his 40 was insane.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All white team. Yeah, it might be out there. But yeah, I thought that was a massive win for Pittsburgh. Tough too for the Colts. I want to say Danny Dimes through three picks. Three picks, two fumbles. Yeah.

Tough day at the end. Johnson Taylor didn't get in the end zone for us either. Kind of needed that. Yeah. We had it for two plus. It makes the AFC North. It makes it way more interesting now. Because the Ravens are going to continue to, I think they're going to continue to win.

They continue to the thing. I think they'll beat the Vikings this weekend. But the Steelers, it's like, do we fall back in love with the idea of them winning the AFC North? It'll be, I mean, it'll be close because they're what, two games apart? Two games apart right now. They play December 7th. is the next time those two teams see each other.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We are in a spiral of Jacoby Myers rumors for all of Pittsburgh right now. Like we're begging for another receiver, and that's every chatboard right now. I thought we looked okay. I thought we were going to beat the colds. But like Pittsburgh is begging for something. Oh, you were going to beat the colds. I can't stress enough.

No one thought you'd be the Colts. No, no, no. Those are the games we win. We're going to lose to the Browns. We're probably going to beat the Bengals and split. We'll lose to the Ravens. We'll lose to bad teams. We beat good teams.

That's what Tomlin does. He brings us back every single year, brings us back in. Have you ever been on the stanza of Tomlin needs to go? People close to me, believe so, but I've never said those words. Tomlin is, we're never going to find another guy that's just better than him. Would I eventually root for him

on another team? Yes, I would root for Tomlin to coach a different team if that happened. I have never asked for Tomlin to not be my head coach. Buddy, yeah, you don't want to lose him. You don't. Another team I just don't want to quit on is the Texans. I know you don't.

And honestly, like, if CJ Strz doesn't get hurt in that game, like Texas probably walk away with that game. The Broncos are winning games like the Chiefs did last year. I know. Some bull crab game. And Wings and get them, their defense is so fucking good. Were you guys tuned into that game? Yeah.

So did you see when, what's his name? Is it R.J. Harvey? R.J. Harvey scored out of the backfield to catch that touch all that. And on that linebacker from Alabama on the Texans. To-oh, to-oh. To-oh. Athletic linebacker. But again, hey, no BAM call.

Running back comes out of the backfield and sets him up on an option, right? So you're thinking he's going to break in or out. He takes off behind him. Easy touchdown. Easy. And everybody's like, I'm sure everybody's screaming. Tooto, whatever.

He can't cover, get him off. That is such a hard fucking route to cover. That's why you got to use that bam call. Gotta use it. Don't try to be a hero. Sean Payton offense, Drew Brees. Bam. A staple for him.

Can I ask you guys a question? I know we're going to be sitting on this bus road. I'll take one. Yes. Yes. Coffee's, anybody? Foffies, one, two. I'm good.

Three. God bless. It's November. Yeah, it's what we doing? Spooktober's over. How great was Sputov at the end of Sputober? We'll get to that in the recap. We'll get to that.

Get to that busing tomorrow. I'm doing cold bruskies. Hey, and while you're talking about that, Jay, anything else on NFL before we get back to college? Did y'all hit on the Bengals? Yeah, the Bengals. Did not hit on Bengals Bears Got to.

I wasn't, I didn't get to watch. I got to see the clips after and seeing Jamar Chase just needed one. Like everybody just kind of going in on that defense. Like if you get any type of life on defense, like you win that game. You should have been watching because T. Higgins decided to have the best game of his career.

He saw that. He's on your fantasy. Yeah, he's on the fantasy team. I saw he was sitting around like six to eight points before that. Went off. Went off, bro. Two touchdowns. Yeah, yo, get the fuck.

off me catch oh my goodness the bangles are the first team ever to score 38 points in back-to-back weeks and still lose both games we were talking about this bro that has to just i mean you saw it on everybody's face but just the morale death that just happens when it's like the defense it's out of the bangles just one possession we were talking about this in our pre-pro meeting conversation to be had about Joe Flacco in the MVP conversation. Per Mitch, per Mitch. Yeah. If we need to make an MVP, like a senior MVP,

if we could have like the top five oldest NFL players be like this is our guy this year, that needs to be a thing because Joe Flacco is doing things. Because what was the stat? He might be better than Brady at this age. What was the stat that was just said? 38, first team to score over 38, two weeks in a row and they lose.

Yeah. Like if you're going to be the MVP, like even if we hypothetically play this game of Joe Flacco being the MVP, like, The Bengals would still be turn around and coming back in, like, winning games. But I wouldn't say like, bro, they won the game. They're putting up. They're putting up 38 points.

Like, you would like to think scoring 38 points, you're going to win every game. Every game. Joe B didn't win the MVP last year. And that was the entire story of the season. It's just he doesn't have a defense. If he had a defense, he'd be walking away. Yeah. And honestly, I think there's an argument.

I think Joey B should have won it. Like, his numbers was above him. Yeah, but this Joe B who's been on the team the entire time. Like, he was also on the Brown. I agree. Listen, we're losing the water. At the end of the day, we're talking about Joe Flacco winning the MVP, which I know is not the case. It's a conversation. It's a conversation. I do think Joe Burrow should have won the MVP last year because it's like who's the most valuable player. And Joe Burrow, after going, what, three and five or whatever their record was, like ends up being like one or two games away from getting into the playoffs. Like without Joe Burrow, that doesn't happen. Joe Flacco, buddy, he's incredible. To where we, we put so much on the Cowboys deal. defense, it's like, it's kind of muzzled and we kind of forgot about the Bengals defense. The Bengals defense, there needs to be an indictment in all of them. Every single guy out there needs to be questioned.

Well, the difference is the Bengals being the AFC North, you know, everybody's talking about the Ravens come back. Steelers kind of have the division right now at the moment. And then with the, with the Cowboys, like the Cowboys, they're still in conversations of the division. They're not. Everybody, as everybody else convinced, I guess we can be convinced of the Eagles. The Eagles of all the divisions,

the Eagles are the most clearly going to win their division. Most clearly. The commanders just lost bad. Commanders just lost bad and their quarterback when they were 38 to 7. He's still in the game with seven minutes left. The Cowboys defense is horrendous. And if they play all their games at home, yeah, I could see the Cowboys making it to the playoffs

so they score 42 points a game when they're at home. And then there's the, Giants. Who just lost Cam. And it's like, yeah, you had Jackson Dart who put up 24 points last game, but it's the 49ers

who have all their first team out, who are literally down the most people in all of the NFL. That division is, it's over. And I feel very comfortable saying that. That division is done. Two weeks ago, you were buying the Cowboys.

You're like, this team. Right, and they broke my fucking heart, Will. I sat there. I did the whole girlfriend thing. We dated. I felt. in love. I said, I love you first. You know what they said back to me? Thank you. Turns out they were cheating on me with a hotter guy. Like, that is the feeling I have for the Cowboys right now.

Your offense is a championship caliber offense at home. You're a different team when you're away. And your defense, regardless of your home were away, you're bad. That's how it is. That's point blank. I just don't think it's Philly's like the most clear cut division winner. I like, it's like, I did just say that. Pull up the divisions. Pull up the divisions. You got the bucks. And it's Falcons Panthers that are behind them. Colts have the game they do. It's like the Jags and Hugh, like Will is not willing to give up in the Texans. So that, that, we fill them out the window. AFC West obviously is not just a, the Broncos are running right with it.

The North, that's it. That's going to be a shit show. The Bengals should be in that conversation in these last two games, but their defense sucks so bad. The East, it's Patriots and Bills. All right. Now, NFC East, Eagles, clearly. Okay, go down. NFC North.

We have no. idea who's going to win that division and breaking news confirmed test reports Tucker Kraft torn ACO oh very sad news for the boy and he was on pace for a really historic yeah people were saying best tight in the NFL yeah best tight in the that is heartbreaking should we have a moment of silence for Dirkcraft hats off beer Olympics alumni we love you Tucker we love you Tucker dog that is heartbreaking breaking.

NFC West is up in the air, but look at the NFC South. NFC South. Yeah, that's a great argument is the NFC South. Yeah, that's a great. That's a goal. But it's like the Bucks are

that the Panthers are weirdly sneaky. The Falcons are like the most inconsistent team in all of the NFL, but like you could see some shit going down, especially with Tampa Bay being as injured as they are. They may drop a couple and might get weird in December. That's the argument there. I do think the bucks walk away with that division.

NFC West, we don't even need to have a conversation. That's a good. That's a three-way race right now. Is that it? It's like if you're looking at all of these divisions, we can all sit here and confidently be like, the Eagles are going to win the NFC East.

That is, I'm willing to put responsibly my mortgage on it, responsibly. Where did the Cowboys just rain hell tonight? Next week you're going to be like, the Cowboys are back. I can't do that again. And if I do do that,

that's when your boys, when you're always going to talk to relationship, like you've got to sit them down. And you guys say, they'd be like, Taylor, listen, you did this two weeks. weeks ago, don't do this again. And Derek, honestly, I'm looking at you.

You got to be the guy to get me on that one. Pinky promise. Done. Because I am a cat. I'm a hopeless romantic. I will fall for that trap again. You see me with the Steelers. I'm in the same relationship right now, but I don't want anyone to tell me to get away from

the relationship. I know what I'm doing. I'll sign up for it. But I'll protect you from what you're about to get into. I can respect that. And Mitch, I didn't ask you, but I got you a seasonal bevy. I got it hot, though. Is that okay?

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Yeah. Don't sleep on that. It's what we all want, dude. It's what we all know. Someone said on Twitter it's either going to be a 6 to 3 or 85 to 87 final score. Yeah. We'll see. J.B.

What happened to Rattler, man? What do you mean? He got benched last week. He got benched. Yeah. We talked about this last week. I know. On the bus?

Yeah. Oh. But yeah, tell us, dude. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's unfortunate. There was the wrong move, but I hope Spencer Rattler ends up. J.J. McCarthy had an amazing game, but he would be nice at Minnesota in the backup role. If he comes in, that's somebody that Coach McConnell could have dialed. Yeah.

I mean, the Saints will see. The Saints probably won't win another game. Like, I don't know if y'all watched their game at all. This week versus the Rams? I just kept up with it. I had it on until it was 27. I was like, I'm out of here. It was horrible. Yeah.

Like the only way they moved the ball was some like a roughing the passer penalty that led to a touchdown. And Taysam Hill. Taysam Hill. He had their biggest play of the game. Thought about picking him up on fantasy. It was a bad, it's a bad move by the Saints. If you took Chuck in the second round, you see the way your season is going. The last thing you really want to do if you do think he's your future is get the fan base.

against him in this season and yeah because nothing's going to go good you should have kept rattler out there man should have absolutely kept because now they like you can't go back to him if you're the saints right like yeah it's a long season like i never know that one win situation it's like just keep doing your thing man right like i think whatever the saints want to do we just kind of let them do yeah we don't judge anything from here on out titans though titans and saints if it's so clear that these are the two teams that are going to fight for the number one draft pick I feel like there needs to be

an executive order that the winner of that game gets the number one draft pick Yeah Oh, that would happen That would happen Could it? Who did it pull up the Jets schedule real quick If you don't mind because

I mean buddy you put any They want I mean Unless they're playing each other Like Justin Fields I could see them sneak in the Browns The Dolphins Yeah, they got the dolphins Who knows about the Jags too, man

I just don't know what's going on there That's huge game Big, pivotal game Saints last two of three They got a chance to fuck it all up Yeah, December, the last three weeks Could tell a lot Rattler in the last three weeks

Go three and O That would mess up everything He will be a starter in the NFL again I'll say that He has to go to Minnesota Has to Do we think JJ's back? No.

Two, too. No. Dude, against the Lions? Yeah, but it's at the Lions? It was like 140, 140 yards. Like, he made the plays he needed to make for sure. He threw for two touchdowns, ran for one. Like, he like didn't look lost.

He didn't look lost. I'll say that. See that? See that? Yeah. No. No. Raging.

Oh, oh. Coach talking. I love his mentality. Yeah. That throw to ice the game. Yes. That back shoulder is. Unreal throw.

He had one to, was it, there was one to Addison. One to Jefferson. Bro, he like threw it under the DB and like, it was beautiful. He had a beautiful ball too in the end zone to Addison. Yeah. Yeah, Addison dropped, right? Yeah. He's showing sparks, but it's just like, you need obviously.

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I mean, I guess Ram, yeah. Dude, I will buy the Seattle Seahawks. I will buy that. J.S.N. is the best receiver in the league. Yeah. JSN is unbelievable. And how was he open all the time? And Puka, bro.

Like, I don't, did his game, was this first game? came back from the injury. And I don't know if y'all saw the pass, his first touchdown catch. Oh, my, the ball was a dime, but the catch was just absurd. Like almost double coverage, late hands right on the front side of the pylon. Like, it looks unfair. Him and Devante are getting like plus 20 points in fantasy each on the same team. Rams are nice.

Stafford. Stafford, D. Stafford, Mbp. Sammy D. Drake May. I mean, those got to be the three. Josh John will still be in it. Brinks my heart with Daniel Jones, man.

Pat will still be in it. This could be the end of Daniel Jones. Overreaction. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. But that is a game where people just throw that, you know, like if my homes or Josh Allen had a game like that, people wouldn't write them off that quickly.

I think Colts losing like that. And Daniel Jones having three picks, it'll be quick. One of them wasn't his fault. You know, I'm ready to say. Yeah, you know I'm ready to say, yeah, overrated. Dude, when I saw your tweet saying maybe I was right, I was like, God damn it, Will. That made me sick. And also, like, people, Patrick Wilms had his worst completion percentage of his career.

Bro. Needed him. Yeah. And he had the ball. Had the ball. Six minutes left. Throw a big. That's why you need a good run game.

Yeah, something to keep an eye on. Greg. Greg, by the way, he's talking, like, we're essentially having the same argument. Like, yeah, like, he's saying, like, he's saying, like, the run game is good but you can't just have a run game. I'm saying the run game complements the past, and that's what it helps your past game. Got to be able to throw it and run the ball.

You got to be able to do both. And if you have a good run game, it's easier to throw the ball. That's all I'm trying to say out here, all right? And Taylor's saying outside zone left. I think that boy Taylor just talking directly from his own experience of you run the ball left. If you're able to run left,

you're able to run left. If you can run a run play and have the same exact action and I play action and play dude and be successful in the run game, you're going to win a lot. You're going to score a lot of points. Yeah. You're going to score a lot of points.

Yeah. That's all I'm trying to say. Any more college football talk. Hey, JP, I see you guys fired the OC. Mike Schumer. I'm going to make some moves. Something about firing an OC just breathes life into a fan base. Why not go 3 and 0 make a bowl game?

Why not? And I would not want to be Texas A&M. You got them this week? Well, we got to buy. That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying to tell you. The game co-cocks are going into college station off a buy. Yeah.

With probably co-offensive coordinators. Yeah. Good luck game planning for that. You bring up the mirror theory of the locker room. They should have like one of the, you know the carnivals when you walk into those rooms and there's mirrors everywhere? There's a bunch of different angles of you. That's the move in the locker room this week.

Correct. Just all mirrors everywhere. You can't look anywhere without looking. come back at yourself. Dude, I saw Biber getting in his ass. On the headset. Yeah, on the headset. Yeah.

They're like, can somebody tell me who Mike is? Because you guys were close there for a minute, yeah? Yeah. What's, oh, yeah, dude, it was, oh my gosh. We made a stop and we were going to get the ball back. I think it was 1417. They punt it. Muff the punt.

Oh. We hold them. They're down there at our five. Our defense played incredible. We hold them. Punt. and it's just like I guess they kicked a field goal

we just do nothing with our drive we rank in the bottom like five teams of offense in college football heartbreaking but now he's gone so now top five for the last three weeks yeah top five top five weeks classic which OC is this

do you think you guys are the nail in the coffin for dabbo no no he'll be there next year for sure but I was at that Clemson game and you want to talk about some fireworks though the offenses were going nuts. And if you're a Clemson fan, you're sick that we fired Chula because that was probably the only hope they had to beat us. But it was, yeah, that was, Dabo did not fall down the hill. I was, this is one of the main reasons I went.

The season's going bad. There's a chance. It's the ultimate image of their season. If Dabo finally trips going down the hill, no injuries. But you know he likes to run fast down there, do his thing. And I was so far ahead of the team. I wanted to be sure I was there. in case he did fall.

Are we talking, you'd like to see something where it's light enough to where he's just in a boot? Yeah, boot would be fine. Boot for a week or two? Yeah. But he could pull off just a roll where, you know, you kind of bounce back up. I know he's a little bit older now. Yeah, but something just to slow him down. That run down the hill.

I hate that. I absolutely hate that. I just post a video not really thinking much of it. And then after the game, I look, and it has like a million views. Everyone's just hating him. It's like, oh, perfect. Yeah, dude, dabbo saying, I don't know if I'll get fired. That, I mean, that was.

Yeah, which if you're Clemson, now, you would want to see that because the defense just completely fumbled. But him saying that in front of the athletic director is just one of the more arrogant moves you could make. And not a good move. He's like doing this posturing game. He's in uncharted territory is what he is. Like, he's never had this kind of fire on him before. I know. And he's trying to figure out what move is the best.

best move and he's going about it multiple different ways and he won't just pick a lane like pick a lane and stick with it because buddy you're making it look way worse stadium was so quiet too was it really it was crazy do you think though where's the game this year of south carolina clumson south carolina loud no matter what no matter what you guys have been here before we've lost 22 games in a row before like we don't think we don't let a give a shit yeah what are we talking about you guys yeah you guys are like it's like a movie You think I'm not scared of this? You think I'm not scared of this?

Yeah. You got up to your head. Yeah, bro. That is crazy. Crazy. Oregon goes to Iowa this week? That's going to be a spicy game. Ooh.

Dan Lannning, not going nowhere, he says. Not going anywhere. Kirk Farrant's talking shit to Laining? Did you hear about that? I heard there's some text coming out. I saw some things. You don't want to wait for the locker room. Yeah.

Wait to the locker room. We save that for the locker room talk. Save that for the locker room talk. God, I'll tell you what, dude, Justice Hayes, having surgery on his foot kind of breaks my heart. The other guy bawled out, though. Yeah, Joe, dude, I mean, one thing's for sure, Michigan's going to run the football. Run the football, play good defense, but I just, I just need that passing. And, like, I truly believe in Bryce Underwood.

I just, there was four or five plays there where it's a completely different stat line. That I was, I've already said this. I'm doubling down because I'm just thinking. about it too much is like that was that should have been the game plan let him throw the ball and buddy is just a couple of reads couple of misses 2026 though a and him going to missou a and a big game that's a big game a and him uh Georgia tech lost yeah yes oh my god what is going on the acc just they're just trying to ruin the college football playoff that I feel like that's a positive.

That's a win for the playoff. I think that's a win for the playoff. We need ACC team to start losing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Tech lost Louisville and Virginia won. Virginia's like top 15 right now. Yeah. Bro.

You know what, dude? If the ACC kind of messes around and everyone's kind of got like two, three losses everywhere. Then it works out. Can we be looking at a 9 and 3 Nebraska Cornhusker team in the playoffs? No, I listen. I ain't going to talk to that type of delusion right now. Hey, it's worth of thought, right? I ain't going to talk that type.

And the ACC fucks around that much. SEC's kind of beating each other up every single, in every place like A&M's probably going to make it. Alabama's going to make it. Georgia's going to make it. Who else? Texas. Texas.

Just, we just say G5. Big 12 gets all the best teams play each other at the end of the year. Memphis. Costco playoff rankings, the first ones come out tomorrow. God. It's going to be interesting, boys. This next couple of weeks are going to be awesome to watch. It's going to be awesome, but how depressing is it that we only have three weeks left?

Pretty depressing. It is pretty sad. I need this off-season. Dude, but you know what the thing is, is like right after the season's over, we're all, it's transfer portal. It's we're getting this guy. What's happening? Like, that's equally as fun of a game. The other things Michigan is getting everybody.

I'm not thinking, I'm hoping. I'm not thinking, bro, I truly am just like sitting there being like, man, if we just had, every day, I have like a, like a, the yarn and the pictures, everything in my room right now. You're asking for players that if you're talking about Bryce can't throw the football, what's that going to do? No, no, no, no, no. He can throw the football. We just need, like, you need the trial on air to get out there and develop a guy.

Like, he got in. And it was like he's not going to be the start at the beginning of the year. then this keen kid gets hurt. I don't know exactly what his injury was. He's thrust into a starting role. We play very conservative early in the year when I'm thinking, hey, maybe let this kid rip a little bit, make the mistakes. He's done a good job with taking care of the football up until this game.

But it's like he needs reps. Dude, he's got the talent. Like he's shown it. The Washington game, there's a very good football team, by the way. They are ranked now. Like he can throw the football, but you just need the in game game experience. That's like you've got to take advantage of that in the Northwestern game and the Maryland game.

but those two teams aren't teams you can sleep on anyway. Good thing is we have a run game that seems like no matter what is going to be successful, which is a great feeling. But this guy's got to get reps under his belt. We have a bi-week this week. I feel good about it. Because the receiver stepped up this past game. They were getting open to say the least.

He didn't have any tuddies? No. No, Marshall had three of them. Yeah, I see. All three of them. Average 7.4 yards on the ground. 25 carries 185 yards. Yeah.

Yeah, buddy. Bryce. I know. It was bad. You know a stat line? It's bad. Do you know it? It's like under 50%.

11 or 22 for like 130. So 50%? Yeah, 130. Two weeks in a row of a bad passing stat line. But I'm, dude, I'm telling you, there's things he did in that game. You're like, he's a learning.

Getting out of the pocket, there's a little bit of pressure on him. Looking down the field, gaining yards with his legs a couple of times. There's, I'm telling, there's four or five throws in that game. If we could just have those back. We're talking about a,

completely different Bryce Underwood right now. And we have a bi-week, which fires me up. A lot of injuries. A lot of job openings too. Yeah, but we're talking about Michigan. A lot of job opening. What are you doing right now? I'm just saying a comment.

Okay, what's your comment mean? Just a lot of job openings. It'll be interesting. All of a sudden, he wants to start throwing mud at me. What mud am I throwing? I'm talking about Michigan football and you're going a lot of job openings out there. There's like 14. It'd be interesting to see what else comes open.

Lane Kiffin's going to be coaching 14. Hey, the Lane Kiffin joke happening right now. He's just basically coaching for every team. I'm hearing Lane Kiffin loves it at this place. Auburn, Florida, has he came up with Arkansas? Tennessee. Oklahoma State and LSU. Would you love Lane Kiffin, Jack?

If he went back, that's what I was seeing. I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that, like the second the Tennessee game was over. It's always in. question. I'm sure a lot of Tennessee fans would, yeah, accept him with open arms, but I'm not ready for that conversation one bit right now. Did a high pool? Did he still have a tea time?

Did he still hit his tea time this week? That seems like it. Yeah, that's something chef would know, but Hey, that was, that was crazy. Hugh Freeze the whole tea time incident. Twitter, Burner, Twitterverse is truly up there

with the CIA. Yeah. Yeah, what I can't get over is you guys are having this conversation, and I have just completely supported Nebraska, and we'll just talk about job openings. What's going on? Just support the boy, support Michigan. Yeah, I hope you guys do well if you guys go to the college football playoff.

All right. Onward. Onward. Is that you, is that what you wanted out of your Nebraska support? No. For me to come fully on board with Michigan? That's what I wanted my friend. But I'm just talking about, like,

I'm talking about the lanes to get up a college football. There's a lot of job openings right now. Yeah. Unless you know who your guy is going to be, why would you get rid of a head coach this year? Bro, what happened the first time the Penn State rumor came up with Coach Rule? Yeah. It was very clear. Like, no one's talking about Michigan losing their head coach.

I'm just saying a lot of job openings. A lot of job. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what else comes open. In the odds, he was like plus 300 and the next big one was like plus 800. It's like, yeah, hey, this is a real possibility. You're just muffing in one out there. Well, yeah.

I could be. I could very much be muffering one out there. Okay. Just a lot of ball left. A lot of job openings right now. It'll be interesting to see if any other jobs come open. It's like the most job openings. This has got to be the most job openings.

Onward. Onward. Feel good. Yeah. Great show. Big hugs, tiny kisses. We will see you tomorrow, bussing with the boys. Tony V.

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