Bussin' With The Boys - Year 10 Update, Nebraska Hires Matt Rhule + Jared Allen Connects NFL To JFK Assassination

Episode Date: November 29, 2022

Recorded: November 7, 2022 | What a rivalry weekend. Michigan & Nebraska both took care of business during rivalry week AND the boys are bringing you a banger pod with Vikings legend Jared Allen. The conversation with Jared goes EVERYWHERE. The boys dive into conspiracy theories, religion, Area 51, and dozens of other topics that Jared Allen as apparently done extensive research on. But don't worry we get into a lot ball as well. Jared talks about his time with the Vikings, his olympic aspirations, favorite teammates of all time, and several other topics that anyone who loves ball is goin to eat up. Should Jared be the AJ Hawk of Bussin' With The Boys?? Intro (0:00) Rivalry week recap (4:00) Nebraska names Matt Rhule the HC (21:24) Year 10 Atlanta Falcons update (38:00) NFL recap (45:00) Shoutout "No Free Shoutout" of the Week/Tier Talk (1:01:44) Jared Allen Interview starts (1:13:29) Politics/Conspiracy Theories (1:24:30) The afterlife and what heaven is like (1:37:00) JFK assassination could be connected to the NFL (1:57:45) WILD religion talk (2:11:00) Jared Allen opinion about 'player safety' (2:17:40) Jared's interesting contract negotiations (2:33:00) Jared's most interesting teammates (2:59:00) ---- SHOP: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/bussin-with-the-boys FOLLOW THE BOYS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bussinwtb Twitter: https://twitter.com/BussinWTB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BussinWTB Website: https://www.bussinwtb.com ---- SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Chevy: Chevy Silverado - The Strongest, Most Advanced Silverado Ever. Rhoback: Go to https://barstool.link/RhobackBSS and use the code “BOYS” for 20% off your first purchase! Gametime: Download the Gametime app at https://barstool.link/GametimeApp and redeem code BUSSIN for $20 off your first purchase (terms apply). Georgia Boots: Go to https://barstool.link/GeorgiaBoot and use code BUSSIN for 20% off Duke Cannon: Use code “BUSSIN” at https://barstool.link/DukeCannonBSS for 15% off your first order. Ridge Wallet: Go to https://barstool.link/RidgeBWTB to save up to 40% off through December 22nd.For more, visit barstool.link/bussinwtbSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You really sparked the flame by talking about the Michigan Wolverines. Can we just get a round of applause? Mitch, out of respect. I think we should. Just out of respect, buddy. It's not. Mitch is our Ohio State guy.

He picked him on the CAA when he was young and wrote with him ever since. Yep. He respects. Hats off to him. He is an Ohio State guy. That was an ass whooping. It was incredible. It was close in the first half and it was a good game throughout the third,

in like the third quarter. What have I said all year? That's where I personally want to give you your flowers saying that you were correct about that. Like, obviously when stuff like that happens and you're saying it's the best second half team involved. time they're doing it against all the, you know, the schmucks that they're smacking. Yeah.

When they did it against Ohio State, I'm sitting back, I'm watching the game because I'm rooting for blue. Like, I just want. I want to play blue when they're not playing corn. I want whoever to win that game. I wanted to be a dominant performance because we truly need somebody to represent the Big Ten. And with that said, hats off. Michigan is that second half team, dude.

It is that second half team. And we need them in the biggest way to represent us in the college football playoff. Yeah. And you know what I found out too? I'm going to, we're going to stick on to Michigan for a little bit, but I need to give Columbus some flowers. I need to give Ohio states and flowers too because they actually deserve it. It sounds wild, but I'm not here to burn bridges. I'm actually here to build them up because they really support the boys out there in Columbus.

Really? Yes. Oh. Oh, it's the boy? Yes. We're in Ohio State colors. Yeah, I will absolutely get into all that with you. But I will say now that the game is over and I know this might be blasphemous, but Columbus, you need to support the boys in Ann Arbor to represent the Big Ten.

They're being disrespected. The SEC is God right now. Let's call it what it is. It's a David and Goli's situation. It's Georgia versus everybody else. I know South Carolina had a phenomenal job. A phenomenal ending to the season that really is going to take you guys

maybe to a top tiered SEC team in the future. We'll give JP the mic. We do definitely need to show respect. Yeah, we have to show respect. But this is, it was unbelievable. I was driving back Vanessa. I stayed for the first quarter. I had to bug you out of there

because your boy had to get home to see his kids. As I'm driving, my old man who drove with me, He's like, whatever it was, it was 2017 at the end of half. I literally thought to myself, good. It's close. Yeah. That means it's over. And then sure enough.

I truly thought that. I truly in my heart of, I've, like, when I left Michigan, I actually hated Michigan. Couldn't stay in Michigan. But as I got older and I learned, maybe hit the therapy a little bit, talk to, talk to Dr. Schwartz for a little bit. We put away the mom issues and really tackled those college issues for a little bit. And it was really more me than it was them, right? Right.

Right, right. So now I'm really, I'm like, I'm really watching Michigan. And I said for the whole year, they're a second half team. I truly believe, like, we have a dominant coaching staff, Harball, and that what he's doing, especially the O'Line coach, I coach Moore, I believe his name is. Absolute stud. I had O'Alignment after the game, text me and be like,

that was for all of you alum. That was for all you guys. That's so fucking cool. And I'm sure they're just saying it. Because they're probably just saying it. But it was outstanding to hear that. If you're a player and you get on the bus after the game, and you're shooting off your text.

Like, you got a shitload of text. If they're taking a moment to write that out, whether or not it's bullshit or not, like, that's special. Intentional. Yeah. They're doing that intentionally. Yes. And I think...

They have that in mind thinking, like, we're fucking... I mean, dude, how long has it been two years in a row and then winning at Ohio State? For the first time since 2000. That's what I'm saying. It was iconic. Did they went back to back in 2000? Or was that the last time they won at Ohio.

The last time they won at Ohio State? Because we beat Ohio State... Did it even longer? with back to back? Yeah, I mean, before last year, Ohio State won seven straight and 15 of 16. So this is like, the first time Michigan has won back to back in probably close to 20 years. And that doesn't hit you until after the game. Like, you're so focused on the game.

Like, I'm sure they're hearing stuff like that. Like, oh, it's going to be dope. Like, let's win, blah, blah, blah. But they're winning for each other. But after the game, when everything's sitting in, everything is sinking in, that, like, yo, we legitimately accomplish something. Like, I think back to the spring tour when we interviewed Blake, God bless him.

Like, they beat him without Blake Corum. They beat him in a way that no one thought Michigan even had. In the air. They didn't beat him in the air. My mind was like, hey, they've got to manage the clock and keep their offense off the field. Legit their defense at Hatham was like, we got to keep their offense off the field. They're really doing stuff out here. The right strategy by Ohio State, like, yeah, let's see if they can beat us in the air.

Like, that was the right move. But, like, again, like, talking to Blake Corum and you could just hear it the way he wanted him. And I'm assuming everybody else shares the same intention as. Like they wanted to change and beat Ohio State. Like, yeah, I don't want to go there. I want to beat them. Like, they get to now sit back. Not now.

Like, obviously the job is not finished. It's just starting. Right. But you get the, after the game, you sit back and you're like, yo, we really fucking accomplish something that hasn't been done in decades. Decades. Plural. With an S at the end of it.

It's incredible. It's, happy for the boys. Extremely happy for the boys. We need everybody who listens to this podcast, whatever Bay 10 team you root for, like we're all one team now. Well, we still have to play the Bay 10 championship. No, no. Purdue, I know with Dennis Kelly, he's a big listener to the pod.

Jordan Ruse also a big listener to the pod. I respect the Purdue Ball Club, but we need good representation in the Big Ten. Like, we need everybody in the Big Ten, players, fans alike. We put the sword down and we have to back Michigan. This is Michigan against everybody. Purdue needs to throw this Big Ten game. Yes. Not throw it, but their coaches need to be talking with the Michigan coaches be like, hey, what looks do you want to see? Yeah.

What do you want to see? Like, how can you run the same? How can you run the same? Who do you want? Like, they need to be impersonating in Georgia. This needs to be a tune-up game to get in the college football football. Yeah. And ultimately, they're probably not going to play Georgia because Michigan's going to be number two.

Georgia is going to be number one. Yeah, we're looking at it right now as the standings are, I'm pretty sure it's going to be Michigan. TCU. No, Michigan. You wins. TCU will be three. It will be three. USC is going to be four.

Now there's a world where Ohio State sneaks into these playoffs. You think two playoff? They're five. I saw something. It was like Georgia has a 99% chance to go in. Michigan has a 97. And Ohio State has the third best chance and 88% chance to get into it. Isn't that crazy?

I don't, as an Ohio State fan, I don't necessarily agree with that. Wow. I don't care. As a Big Ten's fan, I absolutely wholeheartedly agree with that. And again, I'm not bullshit in Purdue. draw up scout team cards, whatever Michigan wants you to do this weekend in the Big Ten Championship.

Yeah. And let's start prepping for who we think we're going to play in the college football playoff. And I think that will be TCU. So let's start getting ready for that high-powered offense. We need the TCU looks on defense. We need the TCU looks on offense, Purdue, if you're listening right now, which I'm sure you are.

Yeah, boil her up. Help us out. Yeah, we've got to secure this. With that said, because I know I just big time stand, Michigan, listen, that's who I'm rooting for. you guys carrying this responsibility, if you guys embarrass the Big Ten again in the college football playoff, that is on you. That is on you and that is on Dave Portnoy. Wow.

As the two Michigan guys out there trying to carry this flag. We are, as fans, we are carrying the flag. That is on you guys first and foremost. I'm going to need you to. Because you're calling for. It's touching now. I've seen Dave say we will bear this cross. I've seen you.

We're sitting here. We're all chips on table. I will bear the cross. If we're asking all of Big Ten country to back you guys. We will do that. But if you guys embarrassed the Big Ten again, that's on you. Yeah, I'm with you. If Michigan has the same kind of showing they did in the first playoff game,

that's a tough fucking deal to deal with. We had to do a lot of reevaluating, looking in the mirror internally, and figuring out how are we going to take that next step to where we can be competitive for a national championship now. We're looking at back-to-back Bay Ten championships, which is outstanding. But you want to get to the top of the mountain, dude, the Bulldogs are standing right there. And that's where you have to take down.

Now, let me remind you of one thing. When we are at Michigan before the Boston Bowl, we spoke to the strength staff. How impressed me you the strength staff? That's just a quick answer. One word answer? Sure. Elite. Elite.

Yes. It made me think to myself, I wish I had known Taylor earlier because this is, I would love to go up there and do all the shit that they're talking about assessment-wise. It's unbelievable. They have because they're juicing me up for year 11, year 12. Maybe year 15 is important. Oh, my God. And with that coaching staff, you probably could get that done.

But were you not motivated? No, no, no. We don't know. Like, oh, we can play for 20 more years with these guys. I want to come back here next week. Yes. Training with these motherfuckers. They are the Michigan strength staff, along with the coaching staff, it is the most

professionally done setup. The most, like the way they. The most detailed. The way they assess things, the way they do things in the way room. It's incredible. It is truly, truly incredible. Coach, I believe it's Herb, right? we don't have

Pull it up for quick We gotta send him a bottle of our whiskey too Because he's a big whiskey fan He's that big man cave garage type set up The Manshed What men do not Is that the right word And if you haven't been able to get

To that whistle pig bustin whiskey It is incredible It truly is a delight in your mouth Ben Herbert dude This guy First off has top five most intense eyes You ever seen your life A handshake that'll make God go whoa

He is one of those dudes He made me take off my red jacket. Yeah, he goes, you need to take that off. I did tell him and tell you that. But I, so this is a long-winded way of, because that was supposed to be a short answer, but we did a long answer, both of us. This is a long way of saying like, I brought up Georgia to them. I told, I said, hey, that shit was embarrassing last time. And he, he legit, he laid down a sword, he put his ego aside, he goes, yeah, we got bullied, we got dummy in, but we know now. We're aware now. And we've been preparing for that. They are ready. I,

I've never been so high on the University of Michigan of my entire life as I am right now. Yeah, I mean, back to back college football playoff. No, I'm not even saying that. Yeah, but if they would have won like they did last year against Ohio State, still a dominant performance, ran really well, but they took it to the air.

They had guys putting burners on and taking it 60 yards for touchdowns. They were showing a different kind of dynamic in their offense that makes you go, this is a fucking complete team. They have the special teams. Their defense does nothing flashy. They're going to be in their gaps.

They're going to edge wall swarm. Their guys are not going to fuck up. They're not going to dive off the dime border and tackles. They're going to do it right. And their offense showed us yesterday, which is Sunday, by the way, when we're filming this, showed us... What's that? Yeah, today is Sunday.

Yeah, they showed us that they can legit win any way they need to. And that's all I needed to see. I am 100% willing to bear this cross. The University of Michigan is going to win the national championship. They are going to win the national championship. I truly, and this is not. Let's look ahead. Like, we will look ahead.

Michigan, focus on your shit right now. We will look ahead and get excited. Taylor's claim a national title. Listen, I'm with it. I'm ready to sell out again, once again. And I truly, I want every Big Ten fan. If you're on a Big Ten team, I want everybody to, we need to be in this together. Right.

We need to be in this together. The minute it's over and it's one, it's like, okay, the target is, on Michigan's package. We've got to take them down, especially next year, September 30th, 2020, at Nebraska. We're taking you down.

But we need that fucking trophy, the Lombardi of college football, in the Big Ten. Needs to happen. Needs to happen. And you might be thinking to yourself, I fucking hate Michigan. I would never root for Michigan.

I like X, Y, and Z team. These are my teams. If Michigan wins the national championship, your team automatically got better by association. The Big Ten is now, the best Power 5 conference there is. And we can fucking ride that train all the way until next season. Then you got to round up and see what happens next time.

Yeah. But you have a full off season to say, oh, I'm a Purdue fan. Oh, you guys are in the Big Ten? That's the best, that's the best conference in college football. Yeah. That is something. Now, I don't... Hang on.

How many points to Michigan put up on Ohio State? 42. 45, excuse me. I know who didn't give up 45 points against Ohio State? Nebraska. Hmm. You know what also didn't give up 45 points? Just think about that.

You know who Nebraska also didn't give up 45 points to? Who? Michigan. Yeah. Wait. That's what I meant to say. That's what I meant to say. Perfect.

Yeah, you bitch. So if Ohio State and Nebraska played right now, and Nebraska's hot right now, everyone in the whole country is lucky. They're not playing right now. To butcher a quote for Moneyball, if you don't win the last game, you don't mean shit.

We won our last game. I know we're going into the offseason. Head hell high. We had a statement. More trend on the tires. No, no bowl game, even though they already played a bull game. You played a bull game. Yeah, yeah.

They don't have to go train for January 1 bowl game. More trend on the tires, more meat and the bone for next year when Nebraska gets real. Because Matt rules in the building, which I don't want to go to just yet. I do want to get Columbus or flowers. I want to continue to say that we have taken control the border between Nebraska and Iowa, we now control the cattle industry. Yeah. It's back in all.

And Iowa, like, hats off to George Kittle with that, Mimi hit me back with and Ray showed me. That was phenomenal. That was phenomenal. I am. But again, what Iowa hated us these last seven years that all we could talk about was the past. Now don't start talking about the past. You want to talk about the past?

Talk about the five natties that we got in the empty trophy case that you guys have. We can talk about the past all you want. Yeah, you got the last seven out of eight. That's fine. We won last. You're only as good as your last game. You're only as good as your last game.

Now, again, you want to talk about the past? That's fine. Just includes the five natties in our full trophy case compared to you have nothing in your trophy case. In Iowa, if you're going to sit there and compare yourself to Nebraska who defeated you. Comparison is the thief of joy. Don't take away.

Don't take away your off season. You just get back in the way room and you keep working. Because guess what? When Michigan wins this national championship, you guys just got better too. You're welcome. This is literally a therapy session

on the bus for the Big Ten. We are coming to take over the entire college football landscape as a conference. This is not just Michigan. This is a conference. This is a conference and a movement going into the college football playoff.

And again, I respect Purdue. I wish they were undefeated too, so we could talk about how this is going to be some sort of a game. It still could be a game. It could be a better not be. Yeah, we don't need it to be a game. We don't need it to be. We don't want it to be. Nobody wants to be.

Not even Purdue fans want it to be. Yeah, I'm sure they want to win. They're a little, you know, obviously the blind loyalty right now. I'm sure all the Purdue fans are like these fucking clowns, dude, thinking that I'm going to root against Purdue this weekend. I trust me, I do understand that. My heart goes out to you guys. I wish I could share that same sentiment.

But there's zoom out a little bit. There's a bigger play at hand here. And that's, again, getting the Lombardi back to back in the Big Ten. Back in the Big Ten. Should we talk about Matt Rulton, Nebraska? I would like to be right before we do that, I would like to give Columbus flowers. Game Time, we entered this podcast to bring you another ad read. Game Time created by fans for fans.

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And back to this episode. You already did. No, I didn't. I said they were fire. I said, I need to give Columbus flowers. And then you continued to talk about how great they were. And I literally said, I brought up Matt Ruhlis. I want to talk about, come on.

We don't got to. No, I'm saying in the very beginning before we talked about the game. I want to talk about my experience of Columbus. That's how the people were so nice. The people were incredible. You can double it down. We'll run the clip. This would be a great time this week to like him saying him.

You did talk about it. He's like, no, I don't think I did. And then we run him saying that him doing it. Yeah, that'd be phenomenal. People in Columbus are amazing. They were great. They were hospitable. And I thought it was going to be an absolute shit show.

Matt Rule. No, hang on. If there's more weeds to dive into on the entire trip and experience with Columbus, what exactly is standing out to you to where you're like,

I've got to give this bouquet of flowers right here in this moment. In my head, when I was driving away from Columbus, when I was driving into Columbus, I thought it was going to be, honestly, I thought it was going to be a shithole. I thought the fans were going to be mean.

I thought I was going to be like just an awful experience being in there. Does anybody mean to you? Like, can we get some guys. Some guys were like, hey, fuck you today. But then they would end up with a tighten up or, hey,

I messed with the, boys or something like that. There was always insult because Michigan, Ohio State are playing, and then it was, finished it with a compliment that literally people fuck with Boston with the boys in Columbus, Ohio, which I thought in a million years that would not happen.

Because they're for the boys, but they're just for their boys. Yeah. And their colors. They're for the boys. They understand the movement. They understand the movement. They're about it. Yes. Yes. Now. The game, going to the game would be a move. Going to the game would be, yes, 100%. Yeah, he said, like, well, it'll be in Michigan next year.

We figured out. Anyway, side note. Fall Tour is going to be back next year. Mm-hmm. We'll see. Mm-hmm. How do you feel about Matt Rule being the head coach of the University of Nebraska? How does that make you feel when those words come out of my mouth? Excited.

And again, I did my little video. I did my video. And I talked about why. And there wasn't a whole lot of, like I've talked to, like I've talked with guys, not to name drop, but also name drop. Christian McCaffrey, Amir Abdullah, Dula, Matt. Ionitis all had really good things to say about Coach Rule. Amir had a full two-minute long voice message to the Husker group chat that we have,

talking about when he played for Coach Rule last year in Carolina. But I'm fired up. But I'm personally fired up because I know I talked about it's been the first time in a long time. The Chancellor, the President and the AD have like continuity because usually like with Bo, you had Tom Milesmore and he was the AD. The AD and the Chancellor didn't necessarily, not like they didn't see eye to eye, But the chancellor, that chancellor at the time was the one who ultimately pushed out Tom Osborne, eventually Coach Boe because they brought in a different, he brought in his AD that he wanted.

That AD pushes out Coach Bo, brings in the coach he wanted. While that coach, Coach Riley's in there, that AD gets pushed out, a new AD comes in. Like, Treve Albert came in a couple years ago while Coach Frost was the head coach. Not that he didn't want Coach Frost to win, but again, like, you have everybody that's sitting in the room. We just hired the president, Mr. Ted Carter. phenomenal resume. Look him up, Google him. He's a stud. They just hired him last year.

So everybody is now the number one priority, not the number one. I'm saying this because I'm biased of the football program, but everybody knows the priority that it is to bring Nebraska football back to where it has been in the past. I'm not sitting here talking about 90s

and naties and everything else, but just being competitive and not being the fucking doormat of a conference. And I feel like it takes a higher in scanning through and thumbing through being like we got to find a coach who can coach ball, build culture, and I feel like we found that in Coach Rule. Because you look at his history, we were talking about it on the phone.

His history with Baylor, I want to say his first year, they start off 1 and 11. Next year they're about 500. Then the year after that, they're 11 and 1. You go back to Temple, they start off kind of the same situation, one a game or two or three the first year. After that, you know, they're about a 500 team. And then after that, they're 10 and 4, 11 and 3, whatever it is. But that right there shows you and then, you know, not to, you know,

You know, not to quote Amir, but obviously I'm talking about the stuff that Amir said. Amir is like this dude is he's going to build culture. He's going to build discipline. The guys who don't buy in, like from his experience on Carolina, he kind of weeds those guys out because he's so big on culture and buying into the traditions and everything else. So I'm fired up because, again, I feel like Trevor Alberts, Ted Carter, the chancellor. I'm drawing a blank to his name.

But again, they're sitting there. I trust them. I trust their leadership. We got to sit in the box with the president. We got to meet the president. Obviously, we already knew Trev, but it was like, you can tell, like, they, they know what, I feel like they know what they're doing. And I trust them. And if that's who they feel like the guy is, that's my fucking guy, dude.

And I'm fired up about it. I really am. I feel like, you know, again, there's going to be a, there's going to be an article and a news. There's going to be something media related probably every day until Nebraska kicks off because that's just how Nebraska football is. The expectation is going to be extremely high. Probably too high at first. But, yeah. I love how we're starting off with high.

in Coach Rule. And if you look at his resume with, like you saying, Baylor and Temple, Temple, how it started, it just progressively got better. We're not expecting, I'm not sitting here expecting Nebraska all of a sudden flip it around and go 12 and O next year, but they're going to get better and better and better each year. I fully expect three, four years from now, as long as they stay true to Matt Rule and they let him have the reins and do what he's going to do, based on his experience and what he's done, I expect Nebraska to be back in a big way in half a decade. And you know, like, that's what he's going to get to do because he's signed an eight-year deal, which is massive, by the way.

It's like, oh, I mean, is that... Does he have to give his other bags back for this bag? I don't know. It seems like it's like eight years. It's like, is that the right thing to do? Like, give a coach eight years worth. But again, talking about it too. Like, if you're a head coach, everybody talks about how non-desire or undesirable the job is

because how hard it is to recruit, the expectation level, yada, yada, yada. Again, he's coming in with a group that picked him together, pushing the wagon the same way. And he's not going to have to be a coach. just like, who am I going to have to please while I'm here? Like, oh, shit, they brought in a new AD. They brought in a new chancellor, a new president. Like, who's asked, am I going to have to kiss? He knows he's their guy.

Yeah. And he's going to get to work. You said half a decade, we're going to be back. No question in two years. I love that. I hope you're right. You're not meaning anything malicious by it. No, no, no.

It wasn't mean anything. It forced me up on Mike, man, if it takes half a decade. Like, I don't think it will. I don't think almost 40. Yeah, like, I think next year we're, we're, I want to temper my, expectations. I do think we're winning eight games. I think you guys are above 500.

Okay, that's fair. We're going bowling. Is it bowling? Six games? That's 500. Without pulling up the schedule, we won't do that whole thing. That is in due time. That is in due time. Yeah. With, hey, all that, man, hey, we got to get Coach Rule on board with the bus and bowl. Listen, if you're, if you're coach rule and you're thinking, okay, knowing what I have done in the past, how long it takes, how do I

get people excited about the now. How do I fast track? How do I fast track the excitement for now? Well, if you do pull up the record, the schedule from next year, Minnesota first game. That's going to tell you a lot. Conference games out of the gate. That's a tough team now. That's a W. But that's a tough team. That's an important game. Is it too out of the year? I thought it was Minnesota, a couple of whatever's, and then Michigan. I think it's two conference games out of the gate. I guess we're doing this now. You got to pull it up just for clarity. I will not give, I will not give the result of the game. But we're starting.

off 4-0. I'm looking at the schedule right now. I'm looking at the schedule right now. We're starting on 4-0 with the Bustin Bowl on September 30th. I'm fired up about it, boys. That's going to be huge. But yeah, yeah, Minnesota, Minnesota, Colorado, Boulder, those boys are too high to play ball. They ain't got it going there.

Northern Illinois, they're the Mac, right? They're a pretty good team in the Mac. That's a dumb. Louisiana Tech, they're not going to be able to come in a Nebraska country and be able to handle that kind of business. I fully expect...

I expect Nebraska to be four and oh going to the fucking bus and bull. Yeah. And Matt, if you want to get people excited about this season, you being here... You're right, until he gives us the... Coach Rule, if you want to get people excited about the season and things going on,

you in Minnesota, people are starting to talk. Yeah. All right? Colorado comes in. Pack 12 team, but still a Power 5 conference. You win that one. Now there's murmurs going on. You sign this people. piece of paper in the spring when we come in for the

Boston Bowl, people are literally going to be saying holy shit, we could win that this year. And if he wins the Boston Bowl, if he wins the Boston Bowl in his first year, the Brasker is back. The Brasket will be back. If he wins the defending national championship team, if he beats the defending national champion team, I mean.

Literally last year we were three points off and some people say the rest stole that game. Some people. Some people do. We won't talk about that, though. You guys whooped our ass this year. It is what it is. It is what it is. JP. Yes.

I wish Jack was here. I know. Me too. You know why he's not here, though, because he doesn't want the smoke. He doesn't want the smoke. He doesn't want the smoke. But hey, brother, congratulations. South Carolina, like, they really pissed me off when they lost in Missouri.

You know that. You saw the emotion when that happened. I was really on their wagon before that, the bandwagon with them before that, trying to be like, hey, you got a good ball. Why are you feeling that way? I'll let you explain yourself. But the way you guys have finished the year, I saw the article you commented another two that was posted on Barstall.

It's South Carolina the best team in the country that nobody knew about late in the year. If this is March Madness, we're the hottest team and we're going to make it run. But it's not March Madness. Is this my turn to speak on South Carolina? Absolutely. This is your platform. How you felt after the Missouri game is how we felt for the last seven years. Seven years ago, it was dark.

we were coming off 11 and 2 win seasons then we go 7 and 6 Spurrier built everything he gave us a name third week into the 2015 season spurier leaves us dark we go 3 and whatever three and nine we're like all right who we hiring there's rumors we're going to hire rich rod we're going to hire whoever we get embarrassed none of those coaches come we hire must champ we're like oh man we've seen must champ's resume he comes in takes us to a bowl game year one. Lightness creeping in. Year two, nine wins. Oh my God. We're coming back. Year three, darkness. We just slowly decline, decline, decline. We have dogs. We have Debo. We have Hayden. We have J. Van Kinlaw. We have J.C. Horn. But no wins.

We leave, we lose. We win three games again. We're like, man, where are we going to go from here? in 2015 while we were in the darkness there was a young man by the name of shame beamer waiting for this moment he was in south carolina with spurier in the light and now he was at oklahoma prepping prepping for the moment of this season hey this season come on the beginning of the year they're like oh no shame beamer maybe he wasn't the guy he heard it he addressed hearing these rumors midway through we get a big win over A&M. Beamer's our guy. South Carolina, we're coming back.

Then Missouri happens. Oh, no. Hey, back against the wall. We were being written off. What's the record at this point? We're, let's see, Missouri, we need to check. But this is like classic South Carolina. We beat A&M for the first time program history.

Yeah, I was mad at JP. I'm like, why are you not? Like, I was like, hey, how do you feel about this Missouri game? He's like, oh, I don't know. I'm like, bro, like, how are you not excited? Like, they seem like they're a good fucking team. Like, why are you not excited? And then they did, they lost to Missouri.

I was like, you know, you guys fucking suck. You could feel it in South Carolina during the Tennessee game. There was like four minutes left in the game. They're up like 28 points. Tennessee scored touchdown. You could feel the same and go, oh, no. They're going to go back. It's going to happen again.

But, dude, we lose to Missouri. It's like, oh, God, barely score any points. Then we go to Florida in the swamp. don't score an offensive touchdown. Our punter had the same amount of passing guards as Spencer Rattler until like the fourth quarter of the game. Scored like 19 combined points. Tennessee, just when it's like,

everybody on college game day picked Tennessee. What happened? Yeah, they're the five team of the country. Hung a 60 burger on them. Shane Beamer didn't care. They wrote them off, he didn't write back. The next week, what'd they do? Everybody picks Clemson.

Shane Beamer? he picked the Gamecox. He picked Spencer Radler. He picked all of the boys. And, hey, going into next year, we should be favored to finish top two or three in the SEC. And the Gamecocks are back. What do you feel like that depends on, like, Radler staying? Yeah, we definitely need Rattler to stay.

And I think they just have given a confidence to the team that, like, we haven't had. Like, guys saying they're going to drop their nuts on dudes, that was, like, Spurrier's team. DJ Swanginger. Swagoo. Swagoo. And now we're saying we're going to drop our nuts and, like, that's a good sign. The goons are coming back. Need the goons. Need the goons.

Need the goons. So you think Radler has the opportunity to leave when your punter is the only person to score points against Florida? Like, his last two games have been incredible. No, I'm with you. There's just like, you know. We're actually saying that too, like media like. Yeah. People are talking about him potentially like leaving.

I have no clue. If he leaves, what's he going to be made around traffic? Yeah, like I don't know what the quarterback draft class looks like this year compared to what it would be next year. Yeah. And like he's a good combine guy. Like he has a strong arm. He's fast,

whatever. But, I mean, if he stays another year and has a year similar to these last two weeks, it could be a top round draft choice. I like their colors. I like the logo. I like the logo. It seems like the game to atmosphere.

You guys were there and could talk about it. But, I mean, it just seems like a place where it's cool when they're doing well. Yeah. I think SEC dominates the big 10. and when it goes to college atmospheres. Yeah.

Which is unfortunate. Yeah, it is. But there's just things they got to change a little bit. Like when you roll Sandstorm out, I heard that fucking song eight times in that game. And the lights flashing people. That seems dope. Hey. Like, it was pretty insane.

And it's not like, at the moment, it was like South Carolina is a middle tier at best SEC school. And I was seeing that kind of atmosphere at the end of the year. It's tough to think that there's. a place in the Big Ten that's going to be like, has that atmosphere. Michigan, amazingly big stadium. You can fit more than anybody else. It's quiet. They got to figure out a way to,

they got to take out those stands and put in aluminum stands like Washington does and Seattle does. Like get the echo going in there. Close up. Make those sweets. Close those things up. Even if it's just metal. Just close the thing up and funnel that shit down. You get 115,000 people going in there finally.

It's going to get loud. But you got to figure out ways to start making sure that loudness goes on to the field because South Carolina ripped. They were getting after it, dude. It was cool. It was a very cool situation. One thing that we do have to hit on, the Black Friday sale,

absolutely murdered. Like the fact that we had, matter of fact, we do need to still DM that dude. Yeah, I've been messaging with him. The dude that said he spent 800-something. Who had the double receipt.

Yeah. Tried to get that four-spot. I mean, I think we got enough for five of them. I saw the other dude be like, hey, you can just have the four spots all good. I know. I saw that. But the fact that we had, we've like, I mean, there's like $10,000 spent between like four or five people. And the top three people spent over $11,000.

That's nuts, man. That's incredible. Crazy. The tier ones are. The tier ones are them. We've moved, like, we've moved thousands of units. And that is nuts, bro. Thank you to everybody who shops.

And, like, yeah, the sales over, but we have a shitload of inventory still left with all the new items. Like, we had 23 new items. Like we had 23 new items. Like this was a massive drop. I know we were all like kind of nervous on your people, but we almost have too much. Like I think our shit's the best shit. Yeah. There's so many things to pick one from.

You can't just sit there and dial in on like what our ballpark is. Like we have the lightning teas. You want to sit there and have a post about the diamond hats. Those are like the best sellers. You still got the old pocket tease with the logo, the bow tie logo. Yeah, that one back there. Derek Knollad, the girl that stuff, the lightning teas, the just the collage. With legends.

The collab with Seeger. That has a few units. Yeah. It's so tough to keep up with to where you're like, man, it would be nice if we could just focus on a couple things, but there's so much shit. But as always, the fucking tier ones and the people that are for the boys showed out. They really did, dude. It was incredible to see that happen.

And I was extremely nervous with 23 new units coming in right before Black Friday. But it seems like there's a lot of people redoing their entire closet because those things are moving like crazy, we can't thank you guys enough for what you guys have done for us to keep this thing going. When you guys do that, we're paying salaries here.

We're paying for doing more spring football tour stuff, doing more fall tour stuff, giving you guys more content. And it's our way of saying, thank you. We're going to do something special. We say it every time.

I mean, we're always going to be doing giveaways and shit like that. But on the whole redoing the closet, like when I loaded up the Chevy to drive down to Atlanta, I just took the box of like all of our new stuff from our shoot. I was like,

yo, I'm just going to wear all this shit. 100% on repeat. She looks hard. A couple bottoms like, yeah, do we have any pants? You own two pairs of pants. Yeah, I know. And they're black too.

Yeah. I've worn these pants three days in a row. It's all good. We should get like sweats or something. But I was a couple bottoms and I was like, I'm ready to just throw it in the truck and roll. Yeah. It legit is, it is a incredible thing with Black Friday.

They really showed out in a heavy way and that was, that's unbelievable. We can't think you guys enough. You brought up a little point right there that I do want to knock on. year 10, a lot of people are wondering what's going on with year 10. Yeah. And I don't know how much you can or cannot say right now, but if you can give the people a nugget so they can feel a little better or a little worse,

or at least they have some sort of clarity on their feelings, that way they can go to bed tonight thinking, okay, no matter what, Wilcoff is going to be all right. Yeah, like I see everybody asking what's going on. I would hope everybody understands when I'm not saying a whole lot that they just know because usually I'm a guy who puts everything out there. I talk about everything. I take everybody on the story.

all that stuff. All that stuff is still happening. As far as like remembering stuff, I will be sharing it like in due time. But like right now, essentially I drove down Tuesday morning at 4 a.m. Got a physical, took like 10 seconds. Have you gotten injured since you were last year? No. You go up.

There's contract stuff getting sorted out that I can't talk about right now. But I will be able to in the future. Everybody listening to this right now, it's Tuesday. We're sitting here Sunday night because we're going to. New York to do the telethon. We're going, who knows what's going to happen tomorrow with any of the contract stuff that's going on? That could get, the stuff could get figured out by the time you listen to this.

But if you're listening to this and nothing's happened yet, like, you know, in due time, there'll be a time and a place for all that. But just know, your 10 is alive and well. And let's just, I was telling you, because we had a good conversation on my drive down. It was like early, you were up doing your thing early in the morning. And you're like, bro, how do you feel about everything? Like in this wild, and it was just insane that everything has kind of just like came full circle and it's all happened and the opportunities happen. And I'm like, as far as I'm concerned, year 10's happened.

Like I got the call to go out there and sign whether or not we get something to figure out. Everybody's optimistic. We all feel like there's going to be a solution. But at the end of the day, it's just, it's insane that this has came all the way around and year 10 has been manifested by talking about it all year long. That's incredible. And there is a part of every NFL athlete that's like, I just want to go out on my own terms. I don't want people to say I'm done.

I want to be able to say I'm done. Not saying year 10 is the end of Wilcompton. I'm saying if Will Compton chose for year 10 to be the end of Will Compton, he's making the choice. Not somebody's making the choice for them. Yeah. And to that, sir. I appreciate it.

That's incredible. Same handshake. You did the exact same thing. What was it the Raiders when they offered me? When I ended up playing for the Titans, what was it 2020? It was going to 2019 because 2018. 2019, I went to the Raiders. Yeah, but 2018, I remember sitting,

we were in my driveway talking, we're talking about football, how much, we're doing the class of conversation, how much long do you want to play? Oh, I want to play seven more years. How long do you want to play? And you were, I don't know how much you want me to go into this. You know the conversation, right?

Yeah, I don't mind. That was like three years ago. Yeah, you were like, I think I want to be done. I think I'm over it. I don't know if I want to do this anymore, blah, blah. And then we had that conversation. And then we had that conversation. And, like, I love busing.

Yeah. I love everything I'm doing. Yes, exactly. But there was also that point where you could see it affect you. And it would affect me if I had to walk away by someone making me walk away. You're like, it'd be nice to go out my own terms. And every single year since then, you've been able to do that. And that's awesome.

Yeah, it's just funny. You think about like each year there's been a conversation. Like, remember it was the COVID year and we were playing spike ball. Yeah. And the Raiders had offered that minimum deal. And you're like, hey, you can say no. Right. You can see me done.

You got it. You got an offer. Every time you've got an offer. That conversation, I've literally said to you, congrats. You can say no now. I know what I'm saying? And then August, dude, he's pushing his fucking love, over and over again. Then later in August that year, I face time, you know, I'm like,

bro, guess what? And you're like, you're fucking lying. I'm like, very able to take for you. Dude, that was the most, I remember. I was pulling into Oku sushi to pick up something during camp. And you call him and you're like, hey, you want to be teammates? And I was like, no fucking guy. You're like, you're lying, bro.

Dude, that was the most insane. saying shit when I heard that. That was crazy. I had to go be a little bitch in my right knee and get my ACL torn. We could have hung out the whole year. I know. I know.

Yeah. Because we were, we started off like 7 and 0, remember? We started off 5 and 0. The ass beating on Buffalo was brought to you by Zoom. Yeah, because we didn't practice that whole week. Yeah, we didn't practice for like,

what, nine days straight? Yeah. Because we had to play on Tuesday. They, like, they pushed the game, they delayed the game. Then they were supposed to play the Steelers. We were supposed to play the Steelers. No, no, we were supposed to play the Steelers.

So we were planning for the Steelers. and then they like, because we had more and more COVID, they were like, this is your guys' bi-week. So we like kind of practiced, kind of didn't practice. That sucked. Yeah, they're like, they took away our bi-week. They moved the Steelers to what our bi-week was going to be. And they're like, you guys are playing the bills in four days or whatever it was.

So I don't know that exact time. And literally I'm at my house in my dining room on a Zoom call going over what the bills do. And we literally were getting ready for practice. From me to JP, that's how the closest player was. masks on, triple masks, fucking helmet, hazmat suits walking into practice going, we're going to get our fucking asses kick this week because the bills are still practicing.

They were still practicing and doing their whole thing. And all we did was prove that you do not have to practice in the NFL. We were so fired up. We were like, yo, we don't have to ever practice. We won, like, 42, whatever. It was 42. Like, I don't think they scored two touchdowns, did they? It was like 42.

I want to think Josh Allen had like two picks. It was awesome. We were going crazy. Because before that game, we're like, it's either going to be a close game or we're going to get our asses beat. Because we would do these zoom. meetings and you're like man let's get the zoom meeting over with because you would like

they'd be like well hopefully you guys go out and like do something outside yeah because they couldn't they couldn't make us do anything so you're kind of having all these off days and bro because he's he's staying at home and uh jen he's like joking on jen he's like i think she burnt a fucking pizza yeah you're the fire alarm going off like it happened in the alarms going off and shit and brayble's just getting madder and matter about all that stuff yeah that he has to be home and he's like yeah i'm our place it doesn't fucking matter we're going to show up and we're going to beat some ass, dude. Do you remember when also, like, all of a sudden, we got a massive amount of trouble for practicing? Like, the guys were practicing on some sort of weird, like, high school field?

Yeah, each position group was going to, like, different parks around the city. Different parks around the city. Like, the old line was in, like, a grass field at Lipscomb. Well, yeah, we were at some nearby parking. It was just us five line backers when we were doing our individual and just going over tips, tips that we had learned, just learned on a Zoom call. Like, hey, try to go over these formations or try to go over these plays. And there's five of us. We're trying to, like, line up comments. No plan. No plan. No plan. That's how it was me, Ben. Ben, Ben, Ben. Jones and Roger Saffold, we're like, all right, I guess we'll leave this thing.

And then we're like, what do you guys want to do? Like, we stretch. We're like, all right, zone right. All right, zone left. A couple past sets, boys. Like, we didn't really like, what the fuck are we going to do? And then somebody, like, take a photo or like talk about it. Yeah, you ended up getting in trouble.

We ended up getting in trouble again because they're like, they shouldn't be holding practices with each other or something. They're defeating the purpose of being separated. And then they come to find out that every, and then they started watching our security cameras. And they're like, we'll see if these guys are really wearing their masks or not. So then buttholes are super tight when you get back at the building, you're walking around with the tip of your nose showing out.

You're getting a couple of lashes. You're getting verbally assaulted. Rightfully so. Yeah, right, because but holes were tight. Say we get coffee. We'd walk in and we'd have a mask down because you're used to just talking. Yeah. And you're like, okay, as long as I'm drinking or holding a drink,

you can have your mask down. So everybody, I would be your right-wing guy on a flight. I'd be right there holding my cup and my mask could be down a little bit. One pretzel in his hand just kind of just holding up to his mouth. We started to get investigated, right. It was fucking tubs, everything. You're showering.

Hey, put your fucking mask. gone. Right. And they're like, all right, are you? Dude, I remember Paul Kaharski and Buck Rising, like, texting me and being like, you guys are about to get the hammer dropped on you. Paul wanted the hammer. Paul wanted to hit down.

Paul wants chaos, dude. He's the Joker in a non-cool way. Like, he wanted all that shit to go down. Then before they started to penalize us, they start looking at everybody else. They're like, oh, we can't do shit about the Titans because everybody, like, people were way worse than us. Everybody else started to, dominole effects are acting. Yeah, it was wild.

We just happened to be the first patient zero. Yeah, we had to get the example made at us. Yeah. sucked, but... That was fucking a nice little rundown memory lane, dude. I know, bro. That was a cool deal. Speaking of the Titans, dude,

what a fucking bullshit call. It's Sunday night. The game was played five, six hours ago. That is crazy. Yeah, they're going to call strong on that. That is one of those plays, yes, it's against the rule. So all these Bangle fans that are watching this, I know you're watching, when you're watching, oh,

it's been a rule forever. Bangle's fans, dude. They all, they're like, hey, that's a rule. That is a rule that happens, and they say, hey, don't do that again. They give a warning to the coaching staff. I know, bro. It's just when you just see them fucking refs rip the flag, I'm throw it's so high in the air. Yeah.

And change the game, toward the end, it's just so stupid. Like, to me, the longs snapper sold it a little bit. You did a great job. He was going through the inside shoulder, the inside V of the guard. He wasn't on his head. Yeah, he wasn't on his head. Yeah. He was going through the inside Vee, a couple of them were.

Right. Hit an old boy. A long sniper. And he just fucking Academy Award winner. They're bringing up tier tart too. Listen, it's a V technique. That is a legal play. Even if it's not a legal play,

this ref should have gone over and say you can't do that. Like, why throw the flag that hard, dude? Come on, bro. That's a flop tech, dude. And let's see, Bramble might be mad at us talking about this right now, but hey, we're the ones that are fighting the fight for you right now. We're doing what you can't, bud. That is fucking ridiculous.

That, the game was over. they literally just took a knee after that I know that kind of ruined the game a minute 50 left in the clock a minute 43 it's hard for timeouts it's hard for tart because tart is getting a little more head up like strong wasn't I thought strong was completely fine by what he was doing I just felt like tart did go

a little more center yeah you know what I mean like look at strong he's going through the inside V you look at Tart Tart goes right to him I think the longs never want to leave into the hands buddy the refs you're going to say all the right things all the right things at the end of day it's never one one play, it's never one drive, it's never this, it's never that, but it just sucked that. A football game like that, the rematch of the Bengals

and the Titans, everything that happened last year, both teams are hot, both teams are playing well, that that's how it ended. That's what sucks about that. That's just crazy, dude. I hated that I loved the O. Lyman on his way out. Did you see that video? Yeah, yeah, he's saying, fuck the Titans, fuck Tennessee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, what exactly

he's saying, but it kind of fired me up. It was like a little W. W.W.I. I hate that he's doing it to Tennessee fans, so I love what this guy's doing right now. I agree with everything you just said. I agree with that. It's, if you're a banal fan watching that, that shit's cool. It juices you up a little bit. He's going to put that in his roll of decks of look what I did. Get fucked.

Bad body baller, dude. Karas. Shove it up yours, Tennessee. Points of somebody, fuck you. Like, that is iconic. I hate that I love that because it's a Nissan. Yeah. Good for him.

I know. If he didn't start, yeah. Oh, man. If I'm out there, I'm adding that to my bag. Buddy, that's an iconic move by him. Hey, fuck you. Yes, dude. Yeah, yeah.

Was that the equipment manager? Dude, that shit was bullshit. You have a minute 50 left at the clock. The weight 10th is throwing the ball, too, on a bum ankle. They could have won that game. I know. They were playing well. And I was part of about Trailing Berks, too.

What a game he had. The effort plays the big time catches. Yes. He eyed catching the ball. He balled. He balled out. He's coming along because he did it in the last game, too. That fumble recover for the touchdown.

That fumble recover for the touchdown, dude. Yeah. And not to be weird, but decent looking cat. Beautiful eyes. Great eyes. Yes. No, I'm with you, dude. Man.

You see him when he got drafted. He had the cowboy boots on, the shirt tucked in and everything. Oh, he's way different than AJ. Yeah, I find myself. You have to. If you're a fan, you're like, we traded this guy, then we drafted this guy. Like, that's just going to happen. I find myself clicking on his press conference videos, not even the list in

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what the exchange was, but just seeing the reaction, it's like, oh, these boys are fed up. They're over him. They are so over Russell Wilson. I think someone tweeted that this is going to go down

as the worst trade in NFL history. Potentially, I mean, I mean, look at all that money going, like, all of that happening. Yeah, isn't something going to switch up? Like, go in... He's probably saying, hey, jog off the field. I bet he was saying run off the field.

No, he's probably just saying, believe in me. He just asked probably what the fuck he was saying. Shut the fuck up, boy. Shut the fuck. Buddy, that is, I mean, and watch Russell kind of quiver at the end, too. All right, okay, I got you, man. I got you, man. What do you do in that situation?

I don't know what Russ said, but if that dude comes back at you, you're kind of like, oh, shit, I'm a little embarrassed right. And everybody's kind of just seeing it. All right, brother, I got you. Take it easy. I mean, I feel like, and this is not a shot at Russell, but you have to be delusional right now in your life. That's a shot.

I feel like that's a shot. What do you mean? It's not a shot, dude. It's just a reality situation. He's not playing well. And it's not like I'm coming out. I'm saying, I'd be a better quarterback. That was just funny right there.

I'm not trying to take a shout up Russell Wilson here, but I think you're pretty delusional. No, he needs to be delusional as life. You have to be delusional. Oh, you're saying he has to be delusional to get back? He has to be delusional to, like, pee able to work through what's going on.

All the heat that's on Russell Wilson right now, all the shit that guys have told us, guys have texted us someone that I know on the team I've had a personal conversation with that I've told you things about like he's got to be delusional and he's got to literally look at the mirror

and tell himself whatever he's got to tell himself to get through the situation get through it and then unpack the trauma later because right now you're in the thick of it let's get to the off season let's unpack it you're going to be on the Broncos next year no one's picking up that contract no one's going to trade for him

you know what I'm saying he's got to just put on a fake smile You know that meme, the gif of the guy crying with the smiling mask? That's got to be him for the next seven weeks of the season. Or you just sleep well-known. You've secured the fattest of the bags. And not to mention Wisconsin hard Luke Fickle.

Like, that's got to be exciting. Like, you know, in the middle of this dumpster fire of a year. Like, oh, Wisconsin the Badgers, my second school picked up, Coach Biff. Yeah, I guess so. I can't talk about that. That's so funny. Dana Beers has got to be mad. about that.

He's got to be, I saw your tweet to him. The Cincinnati Bearcats logo on his leg. Where's skyline chili? And I, you know, like him, like yeah,

you're rude for Cincinnati. I know it's more than just football. Like you got basketball school too, but like knowing you got Coach Fickle there, he called him Big Dick Fick. It's, uh, wow, that's got to be shitty,

especially. That's the worst hells than Russell's thinking right now. Rattling off two in a row there at the end too. What is idiot? He had it coming for him though. He had it fucking coming. for him. The way he's the way he swung dude, just not

I thought he was going Michigan State the whole time. I thought it was going to be Michigan State or South Carolina. Yeah, those are good. Those are two good options. Because you got both football and basketball. And he even had a tweet that was like, I thought I had my pick after Michigan State but South Carolina, you guys showed blah, blah, blah, blah.

Like it was... Is South Carolina good at basketball? Okay, I was thinking Michigan State and Cincinnati. I thought, like I thought Cincinnati had a shot just because, because they're in a shit conference with ball. They're going to be solid with Luke Fickle there, but they're good at basketball. So I thought he's going to go.

Everything's on the up and up. Everything's on the up and up with soccer. Club hockey team's doing well. You guys are going to be all right, dude. Yeah, what an idiot. They'd be it. Yeah, that's tough. I hope we could see him tomorrow.

Jets? Yeah, was his name, Mike Mason? What's his name? Mike White. Lightning Mike White. Yeah, dude. Dude, if you're got to watch out for the horny quarterbacks, they're going to fuck you.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They're gonna fuck you. That's a tough deal, dude. And I was hearing all those things in the officers. I'm like, oh, this kid's not that scared BYU you kid with all the guys doing the signs. He got a little nervous of the draft thing.

Yeah. This guy's a fucking stud. He's taking down moms. Yeah. Not just moms. Moms are friends he knows. And now this. Yeah, I mean, that's a tough look.

Especially, like, I know there's like a little bit of a laundry list with him. I feel like it's not massive. But after that press conference he had last week, when he took zero accountability when he had an opportunity to be like, hey, we put up three points. I got to bail the defense out a little bit more. When he just said, no, no, I don't feel like I could have. What was the question?

I was like, do you feel like you let the defense down? He's like, no, no, not at all. Yeah, exactly. Kind of like, you know, touches. You just see the body language. You're like, bro, you're the quarterback, dude. What's that dude, bugger? He had this whole long thing about how he.

He could be like an entitled. Yeah, he's entitled. He came from money, blah, blah. It's like, listen. That's, that's a terrible take. There you go, J.P. That was a bad take. Like, he needed to do a better job with that, but that benching was probably going to come regardless.

And the rest of that clip, like, Booger ends up talking about it. He's just trying to, he's just, I felt like he was trying to paint the picture on. Because, again, you can justify and give background and context and story to literally anybody's decisions they've ever made in life. You go back far enough. Oh, that's why they did that. Let's empathize and justify it. It's like, no, not in the league, not in the performance-based business. where you have to be, you have to do certain things the right way or you are going to

fucking get snipped, dude. 20 quarterbacks. You can't just be making decisions like, oh, boy from Oregon, just yopping that dude in the mouth after the game. What's with Oregon guys? Like, you're at Blunt? Yeah. He did that thing in the Boise State?

Like, what, like 10, 12 years ago? That was probably longer than that, wasn't it? You know what I mean? At least there's like some, at least there's some back and forth probably going on in the game. Hey, Blunt fucking bitched his ass too. This dude. The guy's, his eyes. The Oregon dude, too, he threw a shot.

He threw a shot, but, you know, it wasn't like... Yeah, yeah, it was a sucker punch. That dude was looking right in Blunt's eyes when he fucking do that thing. I don't know. And people are like, yeah, fans should be storming the field, X, Y, and Z after the game. It doesn't fucking matter, bro. When you're in that locker room and you're wearing that uniform and you're on a team and playing for a university like Oregon, really any university.

Like, the fans and the people of the world are waiting for you to make a fucking mistake like that. Right. It doesn't matter. And I'm not going to say losers, but say that fan. Like say he said some loser-ass shit. Like that troll, that is what they want to happen. They want you to fuck up and do that. You're not doing nothing except hurting yourself.

That's just the way it's going to be for you. It doesn't matter what was said. You're just, you're hurting yourself in the long run. Hey, there's one thing that fan could have said. That is, would make it justified. For sure, for sure. But in the direct, like, you're letting all the emotion take over the, the zoomed-out version. it ain't worth hitting some fucking troll-ass loser fan

over that it's not like I get that that is a bad fucking like you can say something that marks somebody off like no you got to draw a line somewhere I understand that I'm just saying in the in the massive picture say this guy I don't know where he is draft board league he's a senior transfer from Miami stuff I know that about him I don't know the entire picture of like what his career and all that can shape up to be but again you let a loser motherfucker trigger you in that moment. I do understand that.

It's not like I'm trying to be like that doesn't fucking matter. I'm just saying like in his best interest long term after that bigger picture, don't let a fucking loser drag you down to their depths like that, dude. I'm with you. I literally had that same exact situation go down with me.

Really? What situation? When that assault case I had going out of my senior year, we lost Ohio State and these 29-year-old kids were trying to beat up my brother, who was 19 at the time. I walked into a bar. My girlfriend at the time was like, hey, your brother's better to get in a fight. I looked out and there's four guys, Ohio State,

and they're pushing my brother. I move one kid to the side and... Yeah, yeah. It was just one bing. And he... This kid hit the ground so hard, he spun in a circle and I was like, holy shit, I think I killed him. And I went and like... Oh, fuck.

And I'm sure when that happened, you're like, oh, fuck. Oh, yeah. I thought I was like, I should... Why the fuck did I do that? But in your moment, I'm just thinking, hey, I got to pregnant my brother. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And this guy,

it's not like he's, like, it's a different situation for a couple reasons. One, you just lost a game. I get it. That sucks. It's against a rival. It's a civil war.

But it's not like you're, if he transferred from Miami, it's, it's one year. Like, you don't have loyalty to Oregon. Mm-hmm. Your loyalty's really not like that.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, in that moment he's thinking, he should have done that. Yeah. He shouldn't have done that. Yeah, like you said something to me and this is,

this is a no, not this is a non-negotiable for me personally which again you can make a story and say enough to justify any action that you make I didn't even think about that too like the stuff and then getting questioned in the combine I'm sitting here saying a speech you're saying oh

no because when you're saying no when you're you're saying that I'm talking to you after I'm literally I'm trying to I feel like in that moment trying to grab you back what are you fucking doing bro right we're in public we're in public right now just like that dude is what are you doing Yeah.

Don't, you know, you just... No, I'm with you. I'm also 31 years old now saying, hey. Absolutely. I shouldn't have done that. Like, I can sit back making that mistake when I was younger, looking at this kid going, bro, you can't do that stuff. If you have a future in the league, you just hurt yourself.

You just took money away from yourself. That's a bad fucking deal. You shouldn't do that. But I was, when I was speaking, it was speaking from the point of view of I've been him before. And I know what it's like to how you get your emotions, your emotions get the best of you. You piece some kid up. And it's like, I fucking...

Then clarity hits 10 seconds. later. You walk in the locker room, you're like, oh, I'm such a fucking idiot. No question. And you see the coach grab him. It's just like, ah, God damn it, dude. What are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing? Really? He should have just fought a football player. He should have, if he got in a fight with another, like, Oregon State kid,

it's like nice. Yeah, do it like Michigan State. Yeah. Like Michigan State, Michigan. Just take 100 of you and jump somebody there. Holy shit. Oh, that's jokes. Man, that's just jokes. It's just jokes. Should we do?

Let's seriously. Those guys should be arrested. Should we do a shout-out, no-free shout-out? Ooh, dude, yes. And we're going to do tier talk rivalry games and player. I know we're running on an hour right now. It's like we got to get it fast. Do we tell the people we're not going to have a tier talk today? Or do we do a quick tier talk?

Because the tier talk is rivalry games in college football. I guess we could do, yeah, we could do that. Yes. We can make it all quicker. The shout-out, no-free shout-out. Yeah. Let's go around real quick with shout-out, no-free shout-out. Blossie, you got it, baby.

Don't take mine. Don't take mine. My shoutout this week is going to go to a game that just concluded. It's the number one defense in the NFL right now. Four second half shutouts. One complete shutout. And that is to DiMiko Ryan's in the San Francisco 49ers. Here we go.

There it is. There it is. Hats off to the Niners. Like, they're balling. They're balling. You never sleep on the Niners. Don't ever sleep on the Niners. Mitchie?

Mine goes to something we were talking about a couple weeks ago. It's that holiday season now. And typically near like in the end of the semester, this goes back to high school. it's those pizza parties you have in your one class you know you're going into that class we're not doing a thing we're doing school work today

it's like where we're just going to chill eat pizza and maybe throw on a TV throw on a movie and just have a good one I thought the way you were saying it's getting to be that time of year my shoutouts to pizza parties something and hang on it let's talk about I thought he was like going home

and having a pizza party of his friends I'm like hey you rounded it out well and we're going to You normally have like a half day or something. Like, hey, we're just going to have a pizza party. Yeah. Hell yeah, dude. That's a hitter day.

That's a hitter day. JP. You like that meat. My shout out. No free shout out goes to tell them, kid. The South Carolina Gamecocks for being back. And shout out to our punter.

Who saved the game for us. Also, this is still South Carolina because they brought it to me twice, storming the field. Bro, you stormed the field three times this year. You know who needs to watch out. Who? Ron and Caleb.

Will? My shout-out, no free shout-out, is it's getting to be that time of year where it's cold out. I'm somebody who leaves my water bottles in the car all the time. And now that it's getting cold out, you know you're going to have a fresh cold water. Every day a water bottle sitting there, maybe a few to pick from, a litter to pick from.

And that water turns cold in the wintertime. And, you know, your girl, anybody's like, yo, what do you carry all these water bottles? Now is the time of the year where you're like, this is the fucking reason to carry these water piles boys. So my shout out goes to those water those water bottles that turn cold overnight. That's outstanding.

That is outstanding. My shout-out, no free shot. I'm going to keep it short and sweet. Goes to the future national champions in college football. I, listen, dude. Two times in a row, Columbus, Ohio, with a donkey stopping like that, 22 point differential in the score. I got to give it to the boys in blue,

especially that offense a line that is literally going to win the Moore Award two years in a row. That is my shout out. Shout out of the year. Maybe it's the year. You guys end up winning the Natty. Like that's the shoutout of the year. All right. So we're going to do tier talk. We're doing rivalry, college football, correct?

Yes. Okay. Willie, you got him? Go ahead, Bob. So my tier three is going to be, I'm choosing a game too. That it's not like I always watch it, but I'm always like, oh shit, it's that week. Like, it's going to be cool to see how this plays out. My tier three rivalry game is going to be Oklahoma and Texas.

Red River rivalry. I am a fan of that game. And it's early in the year, so it's kind of cool. Like, the sun is bright. You just know, like, these two teams are about to clash. It's going down. Texas, Oklahoma, that's my tier three. My tier two, hats off to the game.

Michigan, Ohio State. That is historic. That is probably the most. traditional. That's probably the greatest rivalry game when you take into account the history of college football. But we're talking current college football rivalries. My tier one. And yes, we're what you got? My tier one. And that goes to, oh, it's not that. Damn, I forgot about that. I should have said, I knew he was going to forget. But start over. No, my tier one. Fuck.

Start over. Just cut all this and start over. In my tier one. Oh, wow. This is not going to surprise anybody. Nebraska, Iowa. One and seven in the last eight years, yeah, that's tough. But we have, like I said earlier, we have controlled the border between Iowa and Nebraska.

We, Casey's gas station is ours. We own the cattle industry. And we own the Heroes Trophy currently. that's my that's my it's my list are we doing one words yes we're absolutely doing one words predictable

shit the fuck up loss sorry sorry sorry I want to throw in a few words disappointing missed bad okay my tier three there's a lot

there's a lot of great rivalries out there I think my tier three is going to go to a game that in recent years has been amazing Like last second wins. A lot of times is who's going to play in the SEC championship. That is going to be Alabama versus Auburn. That is the Iron Bowl.

That is my tier three. You don't even watch that game. My tier, this is my time. My tier two is going to be the newest, yet the strongest rivalry game, possibly in college football, the next couple of years. And that is two elite historic teams go at it, September 3rd. 30th next year, Nebraska, Michigan, bus and bowl. That is going to be in the near future, probably a tier one rivalry game coming up.

And my tier one goes to the greatest rivalry, not just in college sports, but all of sports in general. The game. Ohio State and Michigan. Woody Hayes, back in the day, win for two when they were up by multiple touchdowns at the end of the game. And when they asked him, why did you go for two? he said because I couldn't go for three.

That's the kind of game we're talking about. That is elite. You are hurt by ears, huh? Solid. No, I love my list. Oh, sorry, boss. Go ahead. Say it again?

Solid. Thank you. Good. Respectable. You holding that thing in? I felt it right when I got done. I was like, oh, I'm saving this from my one word. And I pushed a couple times just to make sure, like, it's going to come out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you knew he was about to push. Like, you got one. one moment to figure that out. It didn't take too long either. It was so lame. Right when you ended, I was already like with the push. And I was like, all right, just push it down there and execute.

Push it down there and execute. Don't get your stage fright, Will. You guys didn't say Army Navy? I don't watch that game. As much as I would love to. I respect the truth. That's not a good game. Yeah.

It doesn't mean anything. Uniforms are always cool as hell, though. I think was like, fucking grab the mic. Bring it in here. Whoa, take it easy, boys. Oh my God.

The only reason I didn't choose the bus. Maybe Matt. The only reason I didn't choose the busting ball is just because we've only played one game. Like, it hasn't built that way. And we got our ass kick. So. But did you think to choose it?

You literally said you forgot. No, when you brought that up, I did forget about it. Okay. But I was still pretty gung-ho on wanting to, uh, I thought the Red River rivalry game is a fucking great pull. I was like, I can't take that from it.

All I was thinking about is like, man, what big rivalry games do I actually like watch or try and keep up with? I think it's lame. It's in the middle of the season, though. I don't like that. I like the last game of the year to be everyone's rivalry game. That's such an elite week of college football. I will say in this past weekend was a good one, bro. Really good one.

Great rivalry week. Great rivalry week. It's off to everybody. Listen, this week you're going to listen to. a crazy podcast. Jared Allen comes on. Don't know what to expect. We know he's an elite football player. He likes to keep to himself quite a bit. But we talk about everything under the sun. That man talks about, we go conspiracy theories. We talk about religion. It truly is, it was one of the more fun podcasts

that we've ever done. I was literally going to ask, like, how much fun if we have on that pod? Like, there's some stuff somewhere I'm sure we're sitting there thinking like, all right, are we going to go down this rabbit hole? Do we have a guess that where it's all going to flow smoothly? And dude, it was like, it was like sitting in the basement, playing some video games, just talking shop with the boys. It was one of my favorite episodes we've done in like a long time. Yeah, it was a great time. There was a couple times when the religion stuff hit, I was like, are we, are we doing too much here? Is this too much?

You give a big apology to the, it was the Mormon community. But just know that all the stuff that was said, we enjoyed ourselves, having fun with you guys, but we didn't mean nothing by it, especially the Mormon religion. and I think Scientology was, we dipped our toe in Scientology as well. A lot of conspiracies. It was fucking awesome. There was a lot going on.

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The highway system. I feel like it's more the highway system than the crappy drivers. It does make people bad, bad, worse drivers. Everywhere. Getting anything done out here, like, I'm coming, you know, Arizona, it's like the labor market is stacked out there. You can do whatever you want, whatever you want. Boom, you got 13 people knocking at your door to get something done.

In the West, I don't know, we just kind of. We hustled a little more, I think. I got here, I was like, you know, no one would return an email for like three weeks. That is a fucking deal. That is a bit of a weird thing. What is the ghost texting? Is that just a Nashville thing?

I don't know. You'll be in the middle. I'll be in the middle of texting somebody. And then it's just like, oh, I guess they're done. Yeah, that sounds like Taylor Lewand to me. I was going to say, brother. Textbook me, dude. What are you going to be in the middle of a deep conversation,

you'll send me a text this long and I'll put my phone down and it'll be three days later. Like, oh shit. Yeah. Or like, you text them. somebody then they don't respond for like three days and you're like well fine okay i'm gonna getting exposed over here um so no it was then i honestly though i didn't realize how much it ran so we got here and the year we got here i think it was it was it 2017 it rained more in nashville than it didn't seattle and i was like this when were you here what time what time of the year came in september right so we that we went through that

winter there's like that 8 2018 was miserable like just rainy gray so we were gonna move back but then we just couldn't find the right school again to put our kids and so we stayed and now building the house here. Dude, when you get in the winter months, bro, here it is always gloomy, raining, snowing. It's got some good months, but it's like, my kids are that age, I can't just go in. It's not a lot. You know what I mean? I'm just like, have ever thought about homeschooling?

Yes, so the, dude, the pandemic was amazing, right? I say that not amazing obviously. Yeah, trust me. I know what it took it more serious. Because my wife and I were in a situation where I was like, I don't have to be a part of it. Yeah. Both don't work. They offer virtual schooling for our kids.

And I was like, so we're just not going to be. a part of it. So, right? We just got in the RV and we pieced out. Yeah. Took them kids all like the National Park, stayed in town and stuff like that. And I say that because like I felt bad for people that were considered you know, gosh, what's the word I'm looking for?

They had to work. What was the word? Gosh, they were. Working remote? No, no, no, no. Like, essential. There you go. Sorry. Yeah, like my buddies in construction, right? So he got, he got deemed essential. And so it was like, he's working. You know what I mean?

And so, like, people like that are like people that, you know, you got kids that need to go to school for meals, right? I'm just like, if I don't have to be a part of the problem, I'm not going to be a part of the problem. Like, we're going to sit back and chill. But yeah, we, we have a lot of it's great, right? It was tough for us coming back because now the kids are in all the sports and we're running like crazy.

Right. But to have my young kids with me and we, like I said, you guys want to go to the beach for three weeks? Let's roll. Just out of there. Gone, that life of retirement, dude. You want to go to the hard work and now you can just sit back and we're like, I'm built for COVID because it gave me an excuse to say no to everything.

You said no to us a few times. Yep, multiple times. Oh, on the bus. That's good. With people? No Mac? We can do Zoom. We're just like, if he lives in Nashville, we want him on the bus.

Yeah. She's like, oh, no, he's not doing it. And literally in my head, I'm thinking, he doesn't seem like a guy wouldn't. It seems like somebody would probably come around to people. Yeah, he doesn't seem like I had to wash his hands a lot. Like, you know, he's probably not wearing him as. Yeah. I mean, actually, you see his truck?

Yeah. That's like the Oskine Maga hat. He's pulled up in there. I'm actually... I'm actually... I got so much help for it. Like, I was a Republican that wore a mask, right? Yeah.

Because I don't like... First of all, I'm not a big human being fan anyways. Like, people, like, I'm like a non-social social, social guy. Like, I can do it. Yeah. But if I have my dredthers, I'd rather just hang at home or, like, go hunting by myself. Or people like, oh, you went golfing day? How come we know golf?

I'm like, I don't really want to golf with you. It's not for me either. No, did I rock the mask? And I did all that, and it was great because then people don't talk to you either. So that's a huge deal. So I rock the mask forever. I was like, man, my kids haven't been sick for like a year and a half. This is amazing.

Yeah, because when they start going to school, it's hell. It's hell, right? Everybody's sick. That first year of hell. It's like, what are we doing here? I mean, not even COVID. We're talking about flu, stomach virus, the RSV. The name.

I don't want that. And it just goes on the line of the family. Get the kid, gets the mom, gets you. You're kind of out there playing dodgeball. A game you're going to lose every single time. So yeah, we, We just again, we were like, you know what? Nope, not happening.

And, you know, we had actually, in Florida, we had a couple people get it really bad at the beginning. And I was like, that looks terrible. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm also, I'm also another believer, right? And I had an old neighbor business partner in mine at someone with the time he said, the pioneers were the ones that took all the arrows.

It was the second and third way of settlers that found all the gold, right? And he was like, the lesson is, don't be first. Right. He goes, find a niche. Don't, everything's been thought of, right? just do what other people do better. That's the philosophy. Sounds about right.

I was like, that's legit. I think like, even with the COVID thing, when you're sitting there, red or blue, regardless, I think when we were sitting there

back 2020 in March, everyone was a little nervous. When that shit started coming, you weren't nervous. I was in California like, oh my God. We were supposed to go. We had a,

we obviously got inducted into the Big Sky Hall of Fame, right? And it was in Boise. But this was 20, 20 and it was so Washington had the big outbreak right in the in the conference was going to be in boise my mom and stepped out or in boise and then we were going to go see some people in Arizona Arizona had like one case and we're like okay we're not worried in anybody in Nashville right right right and I'm like here in Washington so I go on I'm like there's like three people from Washington coming to this thing

and I was like oh hell nope we're good no shit no I don't want this to hear about people people dying well they didn't have canceled the event right yeah yeah yeah spill it over in Idaho But that was a thing. Yeah, it was nerve wracking. I was like, and you know, Jerry was saying no to everything. Oh, he was running out.

There was times where it got a little far out and Peggy was still saying the same thing. And I'm like, I think we're all in the clear here. Like, we've been level three. I took his, I took full advantage of saying no.

It's like, ooh. And she's like, will we have to book him? I'm like, we want him. He literally my brain. I'm thinking he lives in Nashville. We're not wasting our energy doing him on Zoom when he lives here. One day.

He'll get the legend on the bus. Yeah. But even my buddies were like, you know, even when we started traveling again and doing all that stuff, everyone was like, we were able to, like, play it off for so long. Like, it was like,

I came home from somewhere and he was like, wait, you want to plan again? I was like, oh, bro, I've been traveling for like the last, you know, six months.

I just out there. Just out there. That is crazy, dude. We were able, I guess that we were able to maximize it. And that was my thing with people. I'm just like, I didn't really care what people's,

because when it got political, I'm like, I told people, I was like, unless you're a medical doctor, I don't care what your opinion is. And the reality is, I just have compassion for people, right? And so, you know what?

If someone tells me, hey, if you're going to be in a crowd, put on a mask and you might protect somebody, you know what I'll do it. Yeah. I don't really care. You know what I mean? I'm not the same reason I put my seatbelt on. It is what it is what it is. So unfortunately, people got crazy about it. And I think we showed, honestly, when I said, I said he showed how mentally weak the United States was, right?

Like, we didn't even have the mental capacity to like just band together. Just choose. I don't even care what size you choose from. Just band together. Right. Like, I hate you. Yeah, things got crazy quick. We were five.

What do you need to eat me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You didn't even tell people you just coughed in the car before you walked inside. You're like, I don't. When it was mid-pandemic and you were at the grocery store or something, and you're thinking... And you're dead. You're fucking dead. You do that.

It's over. Sort of God. I swear to God, I don't have it. Yeah, I'm good. But then you would know. You could be... I got it twice. I got bang the first time.

Okay, so I just got it for the first time, like, a month ago. I came back from Canada. Month ago. Month ago. in Canada. Oh, for real. My wife was pissed because we were trying to stay healthy before we had to go to Minnesota and had little sniffles and I was like, I'm just going to test just to make sure because

I always test when I came home just in case. And sure enough, I was like, dang, I made it two and a half years without catching COVID. And then you literally got through the whole thing. You finished the race. Finish the race, done. And you got caught by a straight bullet. That's fucking wild. A volley bullet caught me in the neck.

Dude, that is. So how did you feel? It was a bad deal? Mine was super super super solid. Yeah, my daughter had it. My dad, she got a daughter guy. My wife, my other daughter didn't get it. And she had like a fever for half a day.

I had a stuff. You know the worst part was like day eight. I got a sinus infection that was, I tested up for like 14 days, which is actually another great thing because then it was like all of a sudden I started binge watching like blacklist and all these random Netflix thing. I'm like, man,

I forgot how awesome was to sit at home and just watch TV. Oh, yeah. And then it all soon people were calling me again. Like, hey, can you do it here? to do this or hey we got something i'm like ah i got covid and then all of a sudden it's like phone stop ringing yes that's great i like and then we came knocking again yeah and i was like i'm like nope i don't have code i'm like you know how it's going back and forth of peggy at times but peggy she's just always dialed that she's like hey he's hunting for a couple weeks here he's going to be back in the next week

i'm actually out now el-cutting he's going to be out like on the 14th or something like if you want it'd have to be this week right it has to be this week yeah yeah god she's just like you know it's getting like, do we, do we have them or do we pass? Because we've been playing the limbo dance for, we have been two years, two years. No disrespect. I apologize for that. But yeah, we just, I guess I got to know back to normal now. But, yeah, it was definitely, well, then, you know, then I get, I get it, I get it

in a curling club. And then, you know, I thought for sure someone's going to have the flu or something from Minnesota being around like 80,000 people all weekend. Nothing. Nothing. You thought for a second to be able to get out of it today. I'm like, oh, no, no, no. I was like, all right, we're here.

We're good. It's, you know, right time. I can still pick up. Yeah, no doubt. And, but. I'm not, I'm right. Well, you know, part of it was I just wanted to make sure your guys' success level was up to par. You know what it means?

Like, we've officially hit the bar for you. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, all, they're good. You know, good enough. I mean, we're in like this weird warehouse on a bus. Like, anything could happen? Yeah. Cool, let's roll.

We all test deposit for COVID today. So I mean, it's a little wrinkle we're throwing and everything. Yeah. What do you want to start with? You want to start with you want to say? We all just got canceled just so you know. No doubt. No, no, no. You tell how quiet me and Will got.

We are political views or whoever, if you're talking right now, you're Republican, so are we. No, but that's kind of like, honestly, I tell people to tell them, like, you know what? The world needs more independence, right? Like, earn my vote again. That's what I want someone to earn my vote. But, no, that's politics. I try to, my whole philosophy is that just don't be a bad person, right? Yeah.

Be a good human being, and we can get along. To me, it's just like when you see that look in people's eyes when they get big and you just know they're very, like, opinionated about somewhere. I'm not even going to say opinionate like it's wrong either, but passionate. I'm more like, all right, you know, I'm not, I'm not trying to. You're usually in a smile and nod, but doesn't go. I'm just like, all right, this isn't a good place. So I have a philosophy. If you don't, if you're not like intelligence wise or on this topic, what societal,

the minimum of what societal norms are, right? Like, if someone would talk to you, like, I would talk to you guys like, okay, these guys would be considered intelligent people by societal norms, right? Yeah. Not a bunch of turds, right? or if you've read at least two books on the subject, I'll listen to all your point of views. Yeah.

If not, like if I, like, my, it'd be like a homeless person trying to talk to you about your finances. We're just not even going to entertain that conversation. Yeah, yeah, I get that. Because we're not on the same level. Like, the levels just aren't even there. And you're not going to understand what I'm saying. And I don't really care what you say because you don't have any, you know,

proof behind what you're saying. Right. The problem of, with information. Yeah. is you can, if whatever your opinion is, you can find literature to support your opinion. And that is, because it's just the internet.

You have all this flooding information. If you're like, I feel like the world is flat. You feel like the world is flat? You can find all the information you need to know that the world is flat. Yeah. I tell those people start driving. Start driving. It's just a fun conversation to have like.

Shoot me a text when you get to the end. You should go through a world is flat situation? A world is flat? I don't think so. Like with somebody else? No, you said something to me. the other day, I think we were like on Instagram, you like DM me something like, is the world actually

flat? I don't know if I'm like. I DM'd you like somebody doing like a conspiracy thing of basically. You're saying they got some points in my will. I can't do this to you. I love like, I just love any kind of conversation. Like if somebody's a flat earth and they want to sit here and talk about, I love doing it as long as like, we're not sitting here yelling at each other because

I just, I enjoy when people are just fluid in their thinking. They empathize with the other person they see. We're all being good points back. I think we're not going to figure it out. Yeah. And I think that's the biggest thing with like what happened with COVID is I think you used to have what used, and probably social media, right? You used to have the ability, like,

Walter Kronkai would come on and spout some crap off, and then you'd go have a couple beers with your, you know, whether you're a liberal, whether a conservative in the minute, whatever. Yeah. You'd tell me your viewpoints. I'd tell you viewpoints. We're obviously friends because we have some characteristics.

We enjoy about each other. So, yeah, cool. Then you go about your business, right? But like you said, all of a sudden, it was the ability to agree to disagree, went away. Yeah. It was like ultimatums. People got contentious.

You did you're dead to me. People were like stopping becoming friends. They were like, like, our morals don't add up. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. And then when you're on the internet, too, like, it's not, you can't just be fluid because it's not like we're all sitting here talking. So it's just harder to.

Yeah. That's the kind of thing. I was just like, you know, and I mean, I'd have a conservative buddy because I'd be wearing it. I'd call him like, oh, what's up? Biden lover. What's up? You know, literally like, you're no longer, you can't be your culture, yourself, a conservative

because you wore a mask. And I was like, wow, and you're a Christian, and I'm a Christian, and you sound like a complete A-hole right now. So I'm like, want to go down that road? So, no, dude, I think that's so funny because I actually enjoy, like you said, the conversations of people who think differently with me. Yeah, yeah. Because, A, I might learn something, right? B, it might just be absolutely freaking hilarious. Yeah.

I want someone to try to convince me the Earth is flat. Like, I look forward to that because I'm just like, this is going to... A good conspiracy theory goes a long way. Yeah, there really does. No, see, I couldn't get in that. That's when you got a business. I didn't wait. There's two of the storylines.

Couldn't get into. Me and my wife tried twice to sit down and watch it. Could you get any old the other one? Everybody's going to hate me for it because freaking, what is it with Jason Bateman? Ozarks. Brother, what the fuck? Tried twice. Started that thing twice.

I even got to like episode 12 or six or something like I even know what it was. It's the same, it's the same dang story every day. He's trying to launch some money for a drug dealer and he's trying to buy a bit. I'm like, this is ridiculous. How many people are going to do? try to kill him. Like, this is dumb. I couldn't do it. I've never seen the show, so this is Will's Battle of the fight, but it sounds like you're in the situation right now. Awesome. But what? I never got it. Every, every, everything was the same. I'm like,

okay, he just bought another crappy business. His family hates him. He's laundering money for a drug dealer. Yeah, but the story like continues to build. Like, obviously you stop. But what it was the show that you love? Uh, good, dude, so no what I got. So Anarchy? That's what I was going to say side note. I know we're talking about the hell's angel stuff. Like a great one to binge. Like sons of anarchy, bro. I had a heart. Hard time getting into it, dude. That's kind of the same thing all the time.

They're trying to get out of certain situations. Yeah, but see, I appreciate it. Trying to take it from violence and guns like, hey, let's do a cleaner, sketchy business. I appreciated the individual character building in those, right? Versus, like, in Ozarks, his character doesn't change. You know, the wife character doesn't really challenge. Oh, that you're wrong. That's what you didn't watch long.

You didn't watch long. And even game of the sounds like, there's a bunch of characters and they're building through the whole time. I guy. Like, dude, I'm sorry. I can't get into that. Same reason I didn't like a hated Neverand story as a kid. the big flying dog scared the crap out of me when I was little.

Right. And it still kind of does. But I'm not. What about Star Wars for you? Nope. You take out the dragons. Game of Thrones is like based on a true story. Hey, you take out the dragons.

Game of Thrones is basically based on a true story. Huh? No. What story? What's the story? It's way back in the day, dude. Oh, and that's not a true story. That's a place.

That's applies. Based on three of men. It's like based on shit to that. You think dragons are real? You think dragons are real? No, no. Oh, I would love, see, that's the thing. I don't think I would love to say dragons are real. I think your dragon, dude, I don't want to watch that.

I'm going to sit here and say. I think dragons probably were real. Don't know. Don't know. So, but, uh, so, you know, with, uh, we build houses for handicapped veterans, right? For wounded veterans. And one of the guy who built a house from, he was the first, uh, sergeant first class. And he was like, absolutely 100% believes in dragons. I love that.

Without a doubt. And he said, this is why. He said, when he was in Afghanistan, right these people don't even have a word for TV so you get up into like the up into the up into the the candlelight valley as to like he's like you're talking about literally people that have lived in caves they have no outside interaction right except from their tribe and their individual he said they don't know what a TV is they don't they don't have words for this but they have words for dragons so he says somewhere along the line someone's

I believe that you're telling me that is all I needed to hear that is all I'm in That's what he told me, I was like, that's actually strong. See, that's why, like, have a conversation. You got to be like, dragons, bro, like fire breathing dragons. Yeah. Now, maybe it was some sort of flying terra-dome. Prehistoric. Prehistoric.

You never know. Right. He absolutely, when he told me, I was like, well, that makes sense. I mean, if they have a 5,000-year-old word for dragon, who am I to say that they're wrong? Exactly. I don't have a 5,000-year-old word for anything. Nothing. Nothing.

But the thing that I sent you is like a conspiracy as it continues to zoom out, like, we're basically all within the wall and like all these spots with snow and everything else that we don't actually ever go travel to and see where are you guys that on conspiracy theories that's beyond the wall it's like sky room yeah like you can get to the edge but that's it yeah so where you got we're all inside something are you just I love all of it I think it's fun to to talk about I think it's fun to talk about I just like I don't have a big belief system in much in many things I kind of just like let them let everything fall where it may like I kind of to just let everybody else tell me their opinions.

I just kind of consume what I want. Yeah, yeah. Regurgitate would make sense. If I could pick a couple things up. Yeah. I will go with that. I don't have an original thought. I'm like, ooh, I hear that.

It's cool. I'm going to tell that somebody to make me sound. But if you think about it, does anybody actually have an original thought. No, no originality. There's no original thought. Your business partner, there's no original idea out there. Blueprints are out there. You just find ways to kind of regurgitate it and maybe do it a little bit better.

Even when you're a child, you're taught certain things, things you picked up from your father, your mother, those types of things. your friends. So. Although I got to say flat earth was pretty original. That came out of nowhere. I don't know. Yeah, yeah.

You got to have those people. But to me, it's the door opens when I see somebody's like, oh, you're an idiot. Or once I see like, oh, they're not trying to hear that at all. This is where I need to figure out how do I poke them to start. I think you're just being like, I think you're kind of stupid. Yeah, I love stoking the flam for sure. Like, oh. This guy over here says that if you're a flat earther, you're dumb.

Yeah. You guys talk. You guys should do it. Have you ever been to An article? You've done piece of shit? No, you haven't. You haven't seen those letters videos and then just start fucking spamming their inbox. YouTube is a hell of a place.

YouTube is an incredible place. I'm telling you, I think you need to rethink this. And then they just think you're fucking crazy. Lizard people might be my favorite. I don't know about that. But it's only more. I might agree with you. The barbershop, dude, I only went down.

So the lizard people, again, I'm probably getting this wrong. So I apologize to all lizard people who I am probably greatly offending. Yeah. And now I will no longer be allowed. loud in the lizard people culture. But basically that we're all effing lizards or something. They got to send down from a mother ship and shape-ship. You're talking about Scientology.

We're talking about Scientology. Basically, Scientology and lizard people pretty much the same from what I understand, right? It's about right to me. But yeah, we're talking about the barbershop, but they literally think they're going to get transformed into some freaking lizard. Bro, that's amazing. Wouldn't that be so cool? I guess.

Like getting abducted by a UFO. And it's always in the Northwest, by the way. being abducted by a UFO sounds like a deal you don't want to go through but if you threw down a ladder or something I'd poke around for a bit about this. COVID pissed people off so much. I heard this from a comedian

actually based out of here in Nashville. Nate Bargazi? Yes. You heard that line but he was dead as theirs. I don't think so, but he is a Nashville guy. He was him. COVID was so divisive that the government came out and said

there's UFOs and everybody's like, yeah, cool. Yeah, fuck it. Yeah, nothing. That did kind of go by. That's the real thing. There was a couple of headlines that came out. I'm like, hang on, why are there's UFOs? Tom DeLong was right the whole time.

He was, that's the lead singer for Blank 102. But he broke up with the band to go chase aliens. He's got, he's got documentaries. And this shit finally comes out. One of the biggest questions, are we alone in this world? We don't know. We're not. There's no.

Hey, by the way, there's aliens. Everyone's like, I want more. Are you wearing a mask or not when you're telling us about aliens? I want more proof, though. Like, I want to see an actual alien, not just like a floating light. Those Air Force pilots The 60-minute thing is fucking insane, dude And you listen to a few of those guys who've worked at Area 51

That's been on like, you know, Joe Rogan's podcast Yeah And you get some nice stories My grandfather, so my grandfather was 23 years of Marine Corps He's passed now, First Force Recon, Top Secret clearance, all sorts of stuff, right? So I remember my brother, when he were little I had to do like an interview somebody,

interview your hero. And he interviewed my grandpa and he asked him. My grandpa, Grandpa's answer always stuck at me. He said, didn't say no, didn't say yes. He just said, the government has stuff that people don't need to know about because they would ensure pure panic. No shit.

I'm like, dude. That's better than saying yes. That's my point. I'm like, yes. I've hung on that word since I was like six. And I remember the last time I had breakfast of them before it passed, I was like, grandpa, like you need to just like write a book. Like just record it.

Record everything you know. Give it to me. Right? I'm not doing anything with it. I just want to know. Like, I just want to have a family. Right. He's like, all this top secret clearance, everything you never learned from time

so you took it to the grave with him. He was that hardcore. He's like, nope. No shit. He knew a great job. Cool. He knew a great job brainwashing him, bro. That's super fucking cool.

He did that. But I'm just curiosity. I know. I tell you what, do you. The government does a great job brainwashing. Throw that out there. He just out of nowhere out there. Look that, huh?

Grenade. I'll tell you what they do. Great job brainwashing. They got him to take it all the way to his grave. He won. He would just, he was dying. They were putting them down.

They go, Mission accomplished, boys. That was the one we had to worry about. And you're sitting there at the funeral and this motherfucker. Didn't tell me nothing, dude. Didn't tell me nothing. What about ghosts? But he was probably tapped the whole time.

Our ghost real to you. Yes and no. We're almost 30 minutes into a podcast. With no football. No football. Right now we're in it. We're right now. We're after practice and we're regurgated.

We'll talk about football eventually. We will talk about football eventually and make sure you mark it down boss when we start talking about football. so we can tell people in the intro. We, like, yes and no. So as a Christian, I believe when I die, I go in front of my maker, right? Like, but I've experienced some creepy stuff.

I know people that have experienced some stuff, right? So I don't think it's past the realm of possibility that you can be visited. You know, I believe, dude, I believe there's angels and demons on earth, right? You know what I mean? So, yeah, I think things can happen. Do I think ghosts can harm me?

No. Yeah. What about demons? Have you seen paranormal activity? Yeah, I don't. I don't like, I don't like, like, spiritual horror movies. Oh, you're missing out, buddy. Those are the scariest ones.

You don't want to believe in those. You don't want to believe in those, you know, I don't think demons are. Because as a Christian, as someone that, you know, has confessed my faith in Christ, I, I'm untouchable from that. With the Ouija board then. No, I don't, I don't, I'm not trying to push that either. I also know my limit. No your limitations.

No your limitations. Know your boundaries. I ain't touching the Wii Gets of the same reason. I ain't going drinking with a male's angels. Yeah. I'm going to say something stupid. They're not as bad as they seem. They're not as bad as they seem.

No, I'm saying. Like, I'm either going to want to join them. Yeah. Or I'm going to say so stupid. You're dead. You know what I'm with you. You know your limitations.

So yeah, Ghost, I think, um, so yeah, with that said, I think you can, you can have some things, but I don't think on that,

that whole like, man, I'd be honest, I don't know. But paranormal activity, I think that's a bunch of crap. I think it's, you need to watch you don't Netflix.

I don't know. I don't know, brother. I don't know. Buy ourselves. It's like Bigfoot, right? It's like Bigfoot. Hang on.

Hang on. A different situation. Did you hit a knock again? Yeah. We'll never get a picture of it, but we heard a knock. There are photos. Would be so mad. They are you right now.

Photos, there's video evidence of Bigfoot. Let's not get hung up on the ghost. Let's say on the ghost thing. Bigfoot's also a Northwest conspiracy. Northwest has a lot of a nice conspiracy. Might as well be a ghost. No. He's been, I'm out on that.

You know, have you heard of the movie The Conjuring? Annabelle. Yes. Okay. Those... Great horror movie. Those two people who, like, found all that stuff and had their little museum downstairs in their basement. Yes.

They had this philosophy that it takes 28 days to, like, really experience and either affect, take away demon or whatever. 28 days get to be isolated in an area. So Netflix has done this thing. It's like these paranormal activity people, they go into these haunted areas with no information about anything that's happened. And they spend 28 days. I think it's three teams. all three of these teams find out what happened in there,

who did it, and all this crazy shit that they had no pre-registered information to. They just say they had no pre-registration. Listen, I understand how TV works. I get what you're saying. Until I see someone... Buddy, some guy's in there.

And they're sitting there, and all of a sudden a ghost jacks them in the face and it's choking them out. We got a buddy going, and the power of Christ compels you in a fucking jar moves off a thing, flies. Actually, we had that in college. Ancicist.

It's a true story. 100%. I agree. I agree with that. 100% I agree. Do you believe in purgatory? Am I fucking point out of? I believe in you to go to heaven? I agree you.

Either you're in heaven or hell. So you don't think there's a big fucking waiting list to see God. You think when you die, you're going to be in front of him? Yep. But there's a lot of people that die every single day. Yeah, but you can't. But the Bible says you can't even comprehend.

Your mind cannot even comprehend. I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that statement at all. Listen, I feel like I figured, I figured it out a little bit. Holy. And I was banged up a little bit. Oh, yeah? I was up in the sky.

My boys in a car accident. I had a little edible. And I was telling my wife, I was like, I think I figured out what heaven is. Stick with me, boys. I'm here. I'm listening to break down the Mormon religion because I think I have a couple ideas. I don't know. Literally.

I think we got something there. You know how, you know how when you dream, like, you're just in a dream and then suddenly you wake up. Obviously, when you're dead, you never wake up. What if the entire time, like, you're in a dream? Everybody always like, oh, when you go to heaven, you're going to see this. pressure you're going to see all these different people, right? No, and not. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. But you're in your own dream. Like, you're in your own heaven. You're seeing everybody that you've, like your grandpa that you've experienced.

You're seeing him in his best ways that you know him to be. Like, all of your people that you're seeing, like, you're just in a constant dream that's yours forever. Like, my dream in heaven's going to be different than your guys is because we're all going to be seeing each other differently. Okay. So, hey, let's think I think it's just us being zapped by being dream. Well, it's dreaming. Like, we're just dreaming. We're going to dream. Basically, you're saying, you know, when you die, your soul becomes your subconscious.

Yeah. And you're just, like, because you never like wake up. You never wake up and get up. Like, I'm seeing my mom. I'm seeing my grandpa. I'm seeing my kids, my friends. I'm seeing them in the ways of the memories that I remember them. And then obviously, it's dreamland.

Like, we're all doing the best stuff of all time. What about scary dreams? That's hell? Maybe. Maybe you're living in hell. Maybe that's the way it is. Maybe you have so many bad things that you just have in your brain that you're just, you're experiencing, like, that's just your way of,

That's your eternity. It's basically an ashtwaganda trip or whatever. Yeah, Iowaska. Ayahuasca. Iowaska. Which we need to do that too. By the way, but if I don't want to go to hell to find myself, like, how lost are you?

The only way to it is through it, boss. The only way to it is through it. I think you need to face the demons. You probably got a couple of skeletons in closet that are just itching to come out right now. Like, yeah, when you get arrested, you know, when you're in the NFL, they all come out, you know what I mean? You got arrested in the league? A couple times, yeah.

Would you get Deweys? Yeah. Hey, listen, we'll unpack that later. Let's stick on the heaven and hell thing. Because I really think the Mormon religion kind of has it like a full proof plan to get to heaven. Hang on. What did you think of what my... I thought your thing was good.

So the only thing that is unexplained on that, right? I actually pretty good. So I believe in the rapture that one day Jesus is going to come back and then we will inhabit the earth again in eternity, right? But then what do we do? God created the earth. We'll have a different body, right? That says you'll get your heaven's body. And one day life will basically be eternal.

no sin, no sorrow, that stuff, people that are in hell, is living with the absence of God. Okay, but real quick, just off that one statement, how boring would that be? Well, you don't, I mean, but you got to remember everything, in my opinion, everything fun that's been created and awesome is from Christ. So it might be like just endless, I mean, you might be at the ears that run perfectly straight, just endless loops. Here's where my dream makes sense, though. You know what I'm saying? What if you had a raining horse that had a hundred foot slide?

What? Yeah, you're getting, hey, plus ones. Plus one. Let's go. Hey, here's where my head. Here's where my dream makes sense with that one, though. It's like you're relieved of all of any pain. Like, you're just in peace and happiness because you're in dream. Yeah, you're just in subconscious world.

Yeah, it's like taking ketamine and just being in that state at all times. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. What'd you say? It's like taking ketamine and just being there all the time. I love the subtle this. That's how highlighted it. Just throw some subtle crap in there.

Talking about heaven. He's ever talking about ketamine, right? Boys, I think I figured heaven out. You got some guy right? Will Compton figures out heaven. You got some guy right now listening on cat tranquilizers like, I'm in heaven. And until tomorrow. Yeah, then he's got to wake up.

And he's at Al. He's like, whoa, my, then they all kind of wears off and them scary. What's your Mormon thing? In Mormon levels? I want to talk about the Mormon. I want to talk about what I think heaven is. Okay. Real quick.

Is this the Mormon? No, this is you. I will tell. This is me. Okay. If heaven is truly real, which I'm not saying it's not, my saying it is. I'm just saying for the arguments out there, I think when you. I think when you die, you go to whatever land that is, it's paradise.

And every single person you know is also there with you because time is no longer a concept. So like, let's say I die. The minute I die, you're there with me. You might have died 40 years later. But I get to be with you right now because there's no longer a feed of time. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Like my grandfather dies, he's going to see me the minute he opens his eyes and goes to the gates.

I think that is exactly what I'm saying. That is? That's actually, Thank you. That's actually. Yeah, I was going to say, I was playing off a wheel

saying I wasn't, I think that's very much. But I think like what you just said, I think we're, I think we're figuring this shit out. I think. Because again, like, like, this is a whole new stuff for bustling.

Like, we could, we could be dreaming tonight like our own dreams and we're in them. Like, we're just, yeah, you're sleeping. You're in my dream every night.

Yeah, but me and you were hanging out in my dream currently even though you're sleeping. Yes. You know what I'm saying? No, 100%. I really.

Inception. Oh, you're talking about a simulation, dude. Well, think about all these creeps living in the metaverse that don't know about reality, but what if the metaverse is reality? Oh, my, like Ready Player 1. Right? Yeah, or like inception. Because it's hard for me to believe that my conscious has been doing all of this stuff for life.

And then all of a sudden it's just black. And there's no, there's no like standing up or. But it's just black. You won't feel anything. It's just over. Why is there a reason of fear death then? No, no, no, no, no. Well, I think you for your death is because no one ever really knows.

I'm like, I love life, so I don't want to die. Going all the way back to the dragons comment, right? Right. You got these people that have a 5,000-year-old word for dragon. There's not a civilization on earth that has existed that does not believe in an afterlife of some form. Yeah. See, I can't, I can't believe. Like, there's a zero part of me that can believe there's just absence.

Well, then it's just zero part. Try to. Try to think of absence. We've been trying to talk about it before. It's impossible. Yeah. The thing about absence, because even when you think about absence,

you think about black. Like, if you're in a room with everything, you can't see anything. But then even in your mind, you're like, I'm saying nothing. So you're still seeing.

Is that crazy as shit ever? Oh, yeah, bro. If you believe you have a soul, then you believe you don't, you're not just. Right. So, right, right, right.

This is the shit I live for. This is what I love when you talk about you, like, you know, you know, having disheard or your conversation with people of view differently. I like having conversations with, know, atheists or agnostic people or people that don't believe. Yeah.

Right. And then because I like to go back and say, well, you know, it's like, oh, I don't have faith, right? The whole concept of faith throws people for a loop. But the reality is everybody has faith. Just what is your faith in? Right. Some people just have a faith in nothing.

Right. Right. So they're just like, well, my faith line. You're still believing in something. But yes, but you're putting all your eggs in one basket. Like, I'm like, listen, I'm not a gambler. Right. You know, if I believe over here and I do what's right to think that I'm going to get right.

Like, if it really is nothing, my bets are hedged. if you have all your faith in nothing. Allegedly, though. But if all your eggs are in the basket of nothingness and heaven and hell does exist, ooh, that's a dark existence. Yeah, but there's so many different varieties of your religious choice.

Like there's 47,000 religions, let's just say. So every religion has the same premise of a higher power. So I should say the main ones, right? They have the core points. The core points, right? You know, you got, you know, I don't know what the Hindu religion and that kind of stuff, but you take like, you know, Judaism, Christianity and Muslim, right?

Like the premise of it is it's the same God. Our variances are on how you, what, how we get there. We Christians believe in Jesus, he's the Messiah, right? Muslims don't, they believe Jesus was a prophet. And they believe, obviously, more of the Old Testament of the Cran of, it almost works will get you to a certain level. Judaism is the same way. Judaism believes in obviously God as the whole,

but it doesn't necessarily believe Jesus himself is the Messiah, the Messiah still hasn't come, right? And again, for all the scholars out there don't hate it, but that's the simplistic version. But at the core... Just a few... You are really dropping some knowledge, though, right now. At the core of it, at the core of every religion,

there's a higher power, right? That you're deemed to have to atone to. Even Scientology, they believe in a freaking mothership, and you have to pay... You have to pay with the one guy a lot of money, and then you're saying... Right. Your sense are forgiven because now you're neutral.

Whatever that is. It's a wild deal, but definitely don't want Scientology not on your bad side. Like, you want to keep them... No, because you'll probably... Well, Mercury are just, like, kind of chase you around a little bit, right? your phone call, phones or something like that. What you're saying is, so you're saying there's God.

And everybody has, like, Judaism, Muslim and Christianity. We're all going to put this as right here. That guy is the exact same. 100%. Well, but you're having, just in those three religions, you have three different roadmaps, which one actually leads to the God? Because not all three can, right? Otherwise, we can believe in all three.

Correct. And that's where faith comes in, right? So through the Bible, there's a book called A Case for Christ, right? It's actually written by an atheist. I won't spoil it for anybody who wants to go to. He's a Chicago. That one's a popular one too because I felt like I'm a Chicago. He was a Chicago investigative journalist, right?

And his wife was a Christian. He was an atheist and he goes down this entire investigative journey. And at the end, he has to take all the evidence that he has. And he's like, basically, I'm at a crossroads. You have to make a decision for or against, right? But with that said, it's, again, it's, you know, yes, through my study of the Bible, through my belief system, what I've taught, right? I obviously,

even Christian, I believe that Christ is Messiah, and that's the way we're going. Not to say that, you know, again, I mean, Muslims are one of the oldest religions.

I don't know how God's going to view, like, you know, a devout Muslim, you know, because they have, again, same God,

obviously different, we believe sins are atone for differently. That's kind of the deal. So, yeah, with that said, that's the dice,

everybody rolls, I guess. And you were basically saying you enjoy having those conversations because ultimately, like, it's like a faith-based thing. I do,

because I think, you can find supportive, you can find supportive information within, like, in the Bible, because the Quran, the Old Testament, and the Torah are pretty much the same, right? How man is that his homework? They do say, you know, like 90-something percent of all relations are basically the same? It's the New Testament for us that's different, right? So, again, I enjoy, you know, learning roadmaps and especially talking with scholars and stuff like that, because I think you put that mic up just a little closer to your face.

You expand, you expand. I'm not used to having things in my mind, like, right? You used to it here, brother. No pause. Yeah, we'll do, we'll put anything anywhere. I'm saying? Welcome to the bus. That's why we're in a warehouse on a bus.

Yeah, I don't tell people where this is now. Oh, never, never. This is like the back cave. This is nice. Without air conditioning. The air conditioning. You know, us to turn it up? That would be nice.

I'm a little sweaty. Can we turn up the AC back there? Or just start, like, breathing out of your gap. No, not up there. I'm talking about outside there. You guys don't have, you guys, you guys, you guys don't have like just someone like fanning you. I wish, man. We haven't made that kind of money yet.

We were going to work on that. Back there like this. No, we can have any blowers. No blowers in the bus just yet. We're still working on the fluffs. Obviously, all super interesting, incredibly interesting ideas. And it is, like, how do you figure out? I think on Joe Rogan's podcast, he had something on there.

And it was like... Love a bro Jogan talk. Love it, love it, dude. Yeah. I never listened to it. Oh, I think you'd really enjoy it. I think you'd really enjoy it. I think you'd really enjoy it.

I think we're at a Rogan pod writer. I have never listened to a podcast. Oh, really? Until? After today? Well, I mean, after now, I'm not really like listening to myself talk because I'm pretty sure I'll say

something stupid along the way. Yeah, but that's the best part. Then I have to relive it. I'm like, ooh. We say dumb shit all the time. People remind us all the time. People, and that is great when you go on the bird and people are like, you said this.

It's like, well, I've changed my mind now. Yeah. Like, it's that easy. Yeah. I should you remind about anything. But Rogan had some guy on there, and either Rogan said this or this gentleman said this is like having us understand the idea of life in the universe

is like trying to have a mouse understand a cell phone. 100%. Like you can't. we can't fully, our brains can't fully grasp the idea of what's truly around us. Have you ever seen just like, been on Instagram and seen somebody show you like

what our solar system is and all the other solar, like it shows like, let's say where you are and it just starts zooming out. I sent you that video. Did you send me that? That's for the, the beyond the wall one. No, this is a different one. But I have seen that one.

It just zooms out. And then all of these things you never even. Lying in bed like on a room and they just zoom out. It's insanity. Yeah, it's like, is that? Because if the space is truly infinite. Well, just look outside when you're on an airplane. Yeah.

You can also see the curve on a clear day, the curve of the earth. Yeah, but I... Yeah. Oh, it's no flight of Earth's really right now. Because it's mirror. There's a mirror. Yeah, it's fucking reflecting back at you. I don't know, dude.

Like... Honestly, that's probably the one topic. I would love to have the conversation with somebody. At some point, I'm probably going to be like, probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Which one? Which one? These things flat are...

Dumber than lizard people? It's up there. It's other because it's rational people telling you, like, a lizard person, I expect them to be off their rocker. Yeah. I can understand that. You're talking to them for an experience. Yeah, like, you've got his tongue... He's got his tongue-splined scales tattooed on him.

Yeah. He made his life decision. It's not very good. He's done it. There's, like, normal people, like, arguing about flat Earth, and then I'm like, you're not so normal anymore, and I'm just like, there's a globe and planets and have... telescopes and they look at them. Like, we're the only flat planet? We're spinning 800 miles an hour east.

Some people say that's the government trying to control the way we're seeing everything. Government conspiracy theorist. Maybe your grandpa didn't tell you because he was tapped the whole time. He realized if I tell him they're going to kill my whole family. I guess, right? Imagine if you were the reason why your whole family had to die? Because he talked him into it? I'm like, oh, dang.

God, that'd be so tough pill to swallow before the footman figure was pulled. Explain how I took off in Australia and I ended up back in L.A. Well, there's a whole conspiracy theory that Australia is not even a real place. There is a whole conspiracy theory. They put you up in the air and they fly in circles for hours and hours and hours. And they land you somewhere Australia, whatever, that is like that. But really, you're not very far at all from where you were. That is another conspiracy.

So it's like flight three. What was it? The Indonesian flight 386, right? There is a flight from like the 50s that took off in New York to Miami. And I'm going to butcher. but the flight disappeared off the radar. No one could find it. And then like 20 years later in the 70s,

this flight lands in Miami and all those people thought they're on a plane for two hours. Netflix called Manifest. Yes, bro. I've watched it. That's a show. No, no, no, no, that's a true story. I've never seen that show.

That's a true story. Prove it. Oh, you're serious? And then when they landed... I promise. Google it. And then when they landed, the government was basically trying to kill them off

or control them for experimentation. Okay, I don't know that part. I just know that part. that this shit happened. Prove it. It's Manifest based on a true story. You read it well. You know what I get a reading.

Well, Manifest does reference real-life events, artifacts and people. The show is not based on a true story. It is purely a work of fiction. I'm from the mind of creator Jeff Rake. I'm standing by it, dude. I'm standing by what I fucking said. But really?

I've never seen the show. Right now. But right now, right now, somebody out there is just like, well, the one said this, right? Right. Gospel. And that's now getting posted. And I guarantee somewhere in the metaverse, there is going to be a freaking time travel, like something about time travel.

Somebody's going to be in a cafeteria lunchroom, like vein sticking out of their neck trying to prove what you're saying is correct. Yeah. I stand by them. And going off the whole element of the faith and all this stuff, like one of the human needs being certainty. Every people find certainty in like making themselves believe those things are. Like atheists and they're certain that that's not going to happen. 100%. here's it here okay here are ones that are more like on the on the arrow jerry might have to be a regular on

the show we might have to create another year hopefully coven doesn't happen again i could be your guys as a j hawk pop on for an hour we're not doing it in zoom though you have to fucking drive here and we're not even talking ball we're just talking eight minutes from a new house do you really good for you uh one okay what how do you feel about jfk was that an inside job by the government or the mafia so let's go down this road i'm that's a fun one too When you played in Dallas. This is a perfect segue to the NFL.

Okay. Lamar Hunt. We're connecting JFK to the NFL. Thank God. Buckle the fuck up, boys. I know people really want to see it. Yes. I know people actually want to talk to Paul.

So if you read Lamar Hunt Jr.' He talks about his dad. So his dad was an avid, like, right-wing Republican pretty much, right? I hated JFK. They found a business car. The FBI,

they say they, they say they obviously investigated all this. the guy who drove Lee Harvey Aldwold, right? That's who shot him. The driver of him was found with Lamar Hunt Jr.'s business card in his office. He interviewed for a janitorial position at the hunt business. Really? And the theory was like, why would a person for a janitor job be interviewing with the president of the company,

the son of the owner of this company, you know, Lamar Oil, whatever, Hunt industry? I don't even know what their company name is. The chief's owner? Yeah, the old, not the new, Lamar Hunt, so Clark Hunt, it's on, Lamar Hunt Jr. was there when I, when I, when he drafted me. And Chiefs that cheated this past Monday and that football game? Sweet, sweet, man, I love, but it's in, it's in their own book. So they obviously, but yeah, the, the guy who drove the shooter of JFK was found with his business card in his pocket. And his dad, no, Mar, not his, Mar Hunt, senior, uh, Mr. Hunt, Mr. Hunt, Mr. Hunt, Mr. Hunt.

Lamar Hunt Jr. is not, Lamar Hunt was the owner of the cheetahs. Lamar Hunt Jr. is still alive. Sorry, I corrected myself. That's the son. But, but yeah, so Lamar Hunt's business car was found in this dude's deal. And it talks about how his dad had like two separate families, right? Like, they didn't know about it.

Like, he had, on two separate size of Dallas. Right? But he was apart, obviously, he was a lot of that. It's a limited to do. But JFK's assassination. It was investigated through the potential. connection of the Hunt family, which is in the, you know, obviously the NFL owner.

They on the Chiefs. They on the Chiefs. Which cheated last night. Yeah, I didn't watch the game. What happened? I saw the Times were smoking them. That part's not important. I really want to dive into this JFK thing.

Obviously, you played in Dallas at some point in your career. Did you ever go down to where JFK? Buddy, they literally have Xs where the first shot was, the second shot was, and there's conspiracy theorists all over the place. And then there's the building with the windows still crows. still cracked the way it was when he was shot. It is a wild deal. Not only that,

have you heard about the similarities between Lee Harvey Oswald and John Wilkes Booth? That's the guy who shot Abraham Lincoln, right? Yeah. Have you heard? Like, it's like insanely similar situations. Insanely. And so they didn't have a son-on-out-two.

How fast Gerald Ford, was Gerald Ford, I believe. No, it was Johnson. I'm sorry, Johnson got, Johnson was vice president, correct? I don't. Listen, I'm... What year? We'll do the internet.

It was it? 54, 60 something. Vice president of JFK. Yeah. Anyways, how fast he was... Yeah, Linda B. Johnson. Like, he was like, Air Force 2 was there. And they're like, that shouldn't have happened because they should never been in the same spot at the same time.

My Air Force 2 was there. He was immediately, like, sworn into office, like, before he was even confirmed that he was dead. No way. Yeah. There's all sorts of weird. So where do you stand? What do you stand on JFK?

Was it an inside job? Shady as hell. That's all I'm going to say. I don't think it was random. So, yeah, I'm not a conspiracy theorist by far, usually, right? But I do think I'm also not like a big coincidence guy. Yeah. Like, there's too much shady crap that you can, you can piece together with real evidence to say that JFK,

likely not a random event. Yeah. Yeah, I'm buying that stock. Yeah. I mean, just like basically. I mean, there's a grassy-null situation, too, with the mafia. I just don't understand the point. Again, I have to go back and read up on it so I, you know, read up on it.

But I don't necessarily what the benefit would have been, though, to take them out. I mean, I don't know. I'm just presidential fit, you know, he was probably doing something on the inside. We didn't know about. And I think that's another thing that goes back, that kind of circles us all the way back to the COVID thing. Or just in general. Like, us, the gen pop, we sit here and we pretend like we have all the answers. No, we have no idea what's.

going on in the government. We have no clue. I mean, we have, there's clues. There's clues, but we truly have no idea what's truly going on. There's movies, there's YouTube. But this is what I like, and then people get on, I understand that. People get on whatever side they're on, and then they start yelling really loud. Yeah. And they're like, don't follow

the herd or some crap like that, whatever they're saying. It's like, you're just getting fed, you're getting fed right-wing information. This idiot's getting fed left-wing information. Right. Right. And then like the majority of us are just too busy working trying to make a dollar. you know, the care, or it's like, why all the squeaky wheels get the grease?

Yeah. But it just, oh, it drives me nuts. People were like, nope, that said it. It's like, oh, my goodness. I can't remember when I was talking to something. And I asked him, I was like, where did you get that information? Oh, it's right here on like freaking BKXT news. You don't have BKXT?

I'm like, what the F is that? It was like some type of site. Yeah, it's tough. Any site you have to log on with like a back slash an abbreviated word. And it's like dot net. Like, it's not a real site. God-day, dot truth. Yeah.

If the title says this is the truth, it's probably a lie. Yeah, it's got to be a tough deal. It's got to be a tough deal for us all to figure that whole thing. But, yeah, we're all just getting fed crappy information and the information stream. No one knows it's infinite. Right, that's why you got to have a fluid. That's why you just got to have a fluid mind and not take life so seriously. Exactly.

100%. Enjoy the ride, man. Have fun with everybody around you. Get on board, baby. Yeah. We're a positive vibes podcast. If you got hit by a bus tomorrow, probably pretty pissed off that you were down at like the school board screaming and, like, threatening doctors and stuff.

Probably. Probably. It's a better way to waste your last breath. Yeah, for sure. But, you know, people are just addicted to problems. I think people are addicted to drama. Yeah, but yeah. It's just not, you know, drama equals problem.

Yeah, true. A lot of people like to insert themselves and other people. Yeah. And problems help people, like, relate to whoever's, like, in their tribe just so they feel like some sort of significance. Seriously. Yeah. That's high for this.

Or they want to be a fixer. Everybody thinks they're a fixer. Right. They're going to fix everything. Yeah. I got the answer for that. You go diving into some ball? Five minutes.

What do you want? About Mormons real quick? You're interested in that, bro. You're intrigued me because I went to school the bunch of Mormon. And everybody who was listening, probably, like, fuck, they got off the, they got off the subject. Okay. So I'll be quick. So this kid, and he was, he's a Mormon kid.

By the way, if you meet a Mormon person, are they not the nicest people you ever met in your life? Ever. They're, I have a lot of nice. They give you up to something vibes. Because if you're going to be that nice, you up to something. You know? I have a problem. I can't trust anybody that doesn't have vices.

got to have a vice. Gotta have a vice. So this individual does not have any vices. And there's another kid in our room who's Christian, hardcore boom. And the most fun thing is you get a five-minute break in meetings, and you just watch them go at it. You get your popcorn out and you're just enjoying it. And then once it starts to slow down,

you kind of pepper something in there. Oh, for sure. If it keeps going. Yeah. Now, I was in Tampa Bay. We were practicing against the Buccaneers. And I pulled down. I was like, hey, give me the rundown on being a Mormon.

And basically, I'm going to butcher it. So if you are a Mormon out there, I'm so sorry. but basically there's layers to heaven. It's like Taramisu. And obviously the one, the top notch dog is what you want to be. Like you want to be in that one. If it's a space shuttle, I don't know.

That used me strictly for the rich white people. Allegedly. I, oh, okay, so just for the white guys. But they've changed that, along with the multiple wives. They won't claim that. But, yeah, so if you look at the hierarchy calendar,

it's just a bunch of old white dudes. I mean, yeah, but everyone has to think. It was like, yeah, if you were a person of color, you couldn't get into the highest levels of heaven. Mormon religion. That's a tough deal. That's a tough swing for the Mormon religion. But there's all, like, you know, the Catholics have their priest boy thing going on. I think the Christians were big on that. Wild shot at the college right now. I'm just saying, I'm not actually more abuse in the

Mormon church. I'm not doing this with you. I'm not. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Overstepped. I'm sorry. I'm still outside my zone right now. I feel like the water's not as deep as what's happening in your head, right? I really know. I really know. I'm not thinking about him. I'm thinking about him. I'm thinking who's listening. I know you are. Tell them, Jared. No, my point is...

We're in the south, dude. We're in the south. I'm doing my best. My point is, when you got certain things, there's, like you said, my whole point is when people seem too perfect up front, are usually hiding some crap.

I don't disagree with that statement. Explain the elevator. So there's levels. Obviously, the top one is spaceship just for white people. And I was like, okay, so what happens when you're done? Go back to the picture. He just had it pulled up.

Go back to the hierarchy picture. of all the founders. I just saw it up there. Oh, back again. But we keep going. It had the big imagery of the... I think he's just going back and forth with two things.

He's looking on beam, bang, bing, bing, bing. Yeah, a lot of pale skin. All right. Look at it. That's a tough deal. I didn't make this up. I'm not Mormon. It doesn't hurt me.

This doesn't hurt me. Are those the levels? No, those are the left. Like, are those are people who are officially in, you know? There are people that are officially in. So when you die, die if you don't believe.

If you're like, if you're like me who's not Mormon, you go into purgatory. It's like a waiting room. Yes. And you can only leave purgatory once you believe. There's really no hell.

Like called, the bottom floor is purgatory. So I asked him, I was like, what is the first level? And he's like, it's like earth, but a little bit better.

Yeah. And I go, that's perfect because I love Earth. I will literally, I might be Mormon now. Because all you have to do is once you die, you go into this waiting room.

Some reception at the desk is like, hey, they'll see you when you believe. Fill out this paperwork. But the issue is, as soon as I die, gunshot, boom, I'm gone. I wake up. I'm in a waiting room. I am now sitting here with a lady going, hey, once you believe you can leave.

What is it like the DMV waiting room? No, I, well, no. Are you insured? Do you have your insurance course, sir? And you forgot. You forgot all your shit. You literally, once you get into purgatory, you've already, they've proven. So there's, now you believe in what's real.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? So literally, Bain Mormon is a full-proof plan to getting to heaven. Full proof. What's level two? I don't know. I didn't go that far. I was really just focused on level one.

I know I can get there. I've been to a Mormon wedding. So I've been to a Mormon wedding. And I've been to a Mormon wedding. And I've been to a Mormon wedding. And you're not allowed to go to the temple. Right. So this is fact too.

Oh, buddy. I got something for you. Women can't get to the levels of heaven like that their husbands can unless they get called by their chosen name. which I like I assume it's like like an alien name like yeah people they know what they're no that's why they get married you have to be cleansed or whatever and then you can get into the temple and only certain people can go into the temple during the marriage ceremony because that's where I guess the wife gets her chosen name or whatnot and then that'll bring you that that's a level

that they can't get to the temple they can't get to the next level of heaven unless like they get called by their for their husband's chosen name and again probably getting canceled for this um because Well, I learned this years ago. But my favorite argument with Mormons are is I ask people, I go, oh, when was your religion founded? And they're like, oh, you're like, you know, 1796 by Joseph Smith

or Brigham Young, whatever it is. And I'm like, oh, that's funny. Mine's just the beginning. I'm sorry, but if you haven't established and I have good friends that are Mormon, I've had this conversation with them. Right. If your religion has an established date.

If the starter has a social security number. It's probably not on par with what Some other religions are. I'm all for it. That's pretty far back for me. Because we could start one kind of. Yeah. A lot of people start them.

I mean, the tax breaks. But no, I just some of the, some of the smartest people I know. We got to do something. Kind of smartest people I know are Mormon. And I just,

I shake my head sometimes. And because you got the book of Mormon and the Bible. Yeah. So you can't have, well, Joseph Smith found that book of Mormon. Yes. Joseph Smith was. And at one point,

I'm pretty sure there was. Well, yeah, but listen, who wasn't a horse? The lowest of low back of the day. That's a Martha Smith-Dyf, R-P. There is, so when you're talking about a temple, there's like things you have to go through in the temple of Mormonism to, like, get in, there's actually secret handshakes. I went as far as to learn one of those secret handshakes.

So he would, honestly, if that got found out, if that got found out, he wouldn't be allowed in the temple. Oh, that I'm not going to tell the story. Like, if the temple. Those the chart of the guys on there? Yeah. If they found out. Yeah, like that's, you can't fuck you.

That's no wonder. So, first of all, too, so... I didn't find out through him. I found out somebody else. Oh, okay. But, yeah, not super security. When we were in, when we were in Tampa, I went up to him and I did the handshake to him.

And he's like, big, smiley guy. He's like, don't ever do that again. Don't ever do that again. He was, like, legitimately like, don't ever do that again. I was like, to the point where I was like, I am so sorry. I obviously found an envelope and I pushed it too much. My point to that being that there is proof that it's cultish.

Hold on. I mean, you're not far off there. That's like that. I like that. It's like a fraternity. It's like a fraternity. Or you throw up a cute dog sign. If you're not a cute dog.

I get that too. Crap kicked out. My point is it's a club then because if you're going to fight somebody over a handshake into your club, like religion is supposed to be all encompassing, all welcoming. So you can't fight me because I learned your handshake. That's not cool. That means you're hiding some crap. I got a question.

I got to get in that temple. I got a question. I got to get that motherfucker. The Mormon stuff, I'm not as, like, privy to all this. Are we going to get killed for this conversation? I'm kind of nervous. You kind of taking a... Literally, you're our grave digger right now.

I feel like you just keep taking this deeper. It's just an opinion by Jared Allen on Mormonism. These are all his opinions. Listen, I'm afraid of myself, Taylor, too. He got some stuff going on. Hey, whoa, dude. I'm pretty boys. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

But again, it's fascinating because I'm like, I just have, we just have a church. Like, anybody going to our church and do the church. Yeah. Right? I don't think, yeah, what's with the secret temple? Can we put, and again, can we pull the picture back up.

We pull the picture back up and highlight this. That looks more like a stockbrokers, like a banking system than it does a, an unaccompancing. A lot of bald heads. A lot of bald heads. A lot of bald heads. I feel like I can find my CPA right there, not necessarily my pastor. Listen, this has been fun.

This has been a blast. We got to, we got to get, once we'll bump up death, I was like, we really should get the fuck out of here. By the way, on 8th, have you been on 8th? 8th, the Scientology building. Have you seen the Scientology building? No, I'm learning. No. Go in there Monday through Friday. There's free personality tests. Wow. Go check it out sometime.

Free personality test? Yeah. Why, Ron, does anybody know what on the one on Hillswood? Is it Minka, Micah? What's that temple all about down there? Tell my Bethel? No, not Bethel. The one on Old Hickory and on Hillsborough and on Hickory. It's, or I think it's on that,

or it's like the... Like you're going to Franklin. Or you're going to Leapis Fork. M-I-C-A. Like, yeah, if you're going south on Hillsborough, right? No. No, no, it's past it. All the way down, right? On Old Hickory and Hillsborough, there's that, like, M-I-C-H-A, Micah, Temple or something. I don't know about Bethel.

I know Bethel, there's a lot of people up in arms about Bethel, which is on Old Hickory right before Granny White. Yeah, I lived down the street from there. I've never gotten in that one, but yeah, I've known. It was just like a Baptist church, isn't it? Well, I don't know. I just know that. I used to live off Mary Helen and Granny White, which was like,

right next to Graney White Market. And there would always be these big signs, like stop Bethel and stuff like that. And I was like, oh, well, yeah, they were trying to, no, they were trying to build. They were trying to do some light show or something like that. Yeah, it wasn't nothing about the church. All right, all right.

That's a Christian-based church. Oh, so you're going to protect them. No, no, no, no. Listen, I've never been in there. I have a world outreach church. World outreach, I think, right? Yeah, okay. My man, it's educated.

But, no, I will say this to all the moral listeners. It was like, I have, you're just just half joking, but I got a lot of good friends there. But again, I love how we're all trying to tie up loose hands here. I'm next. Go ahead. I'll go ahead. There's a lot of good people in the Mormon religion. A lot of good people.

I was actually going to say, I was actually going to say, I wish someone you would explain this to me. Yeah. So when I was in college, I went to school with a bunch of missionaries, right? And they came, they came back and they can play football to 30 because you get, you know, an exemption. You're going to kill your NFL career. Yes, for sure. But they weren't allowed to drink Pepsi on their missions trips or go in the water. It was sponsored by Coke.

Well, yeah, then they went and bought, like, these 50s. I think they ended up buying 51% of Pepsi. And they could drink Pepsi products. You're lying. No, 100%. It's true. And then I was told by a person. You can just say 100% it's true.

No, the Mormon church. The guy can fucking hang out with it. The Mormon church. The Mormon church at some point owned like a large, chunk, I believe it was in Pepsi. Again, verify me if I'm wrong. I apologize. But I'm going to put out what's your social media? I'm 100% right. Go ahead and verify me and wrong. I do apologize. I'm right. But no, I was straight of told this out of the horse's mouth of a return missionary that said they weren't allowed to go in the water, like

why they were on their mission trips? I was like, why couldn't you go on the water? They were like on the other. They said because in their belief or whatever outside United States or whatever was that the devil controlled the water, they weren't allowed to go into the water. They were Water. Interesting. Again. Levels. Levels. Levels. Levels. Levels. Teremosu.

I like to go next. I'm sorry, Mormonism. I just have seen as much that I've heard. I really don't know. Hold on. Here's what you got to ask yourself. Is Mormonism a real word? Yeah, oh, absolutely.

Yeah, Mormonism. Okay, I just didn't know if we were just putting in the back. By the way, hey, did you notice this? I did. I saw the little in the bag? You didn't say nothing, boss. I didn't know. I had on the whole time. Are you going to mullet?

I'm going to mullet. I'm going to mullet. I decided about a week ago. Went to Allen. Shave me now. I see he didn't give you a... You didn't let him give you a fade, though. I don't want to fade.

You got to fade that thing up right here a little bit. I don't want to do that. I'm telling you. What do you mean telling me? That's the next move. I'll do it next time just to fucking do it. But I don't like it real tight on the sides. I like to have a little bit of something here.

Yeah, a little play. You might like what you see. The wings, you never know. I do look. Like you faded yours on the side before? I've had it tired. I've had a low slith. Sometimes you've got to let the racist stripes in there.

Sometimes you've got to let the flow go. Yeah. I get it. Listen, Mormons. I'm sorry. All right, let's go to ball. Let's go to ball, boys. We interrupt this episode to bring you the Ridge Wallet.

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We have announced standing audience. Our audiences. All three of us are comedians. Yeah, we're comedy. We're comics. I got a comedy card in my wallet. There you go. You're part of them.

I did five minutes to stand up. Like, I'm a comedian. Yeah, I was with him that day. I can't. We did a live show. We're comedians. We did a live show at Zanis. We're sold out.

And we were done. Nice. I like it. Yeah, it's kind of a big deal. Anyway, let's go to football. At a minute, sorry, an hour and eight minutes. I have a question. Go ahead, Will.

How have you been feeling about this, this, new, uh, roughing the passer, all these roughing the pastor penalties. We're just, as long as we're going down the path of being brutally honest and defending everybody. Yeah. Absolutely. No, it's, it's the stupidest thing on the face of the earth. It really is. Um, like, again, I just don't understand.

Like, they make the most money. They should assume the most risk. In my opinion, the quarterback should assume the most risk. You make the most money. That's a strong start. The NFL wants to protect it. I get it. But don't, but come out and just be honest about it.

Don't say you're protecting it because of, player safety because it's not players safety it's player singular safety you're protecting quarterbacks that's all you're doing um and it i think it changes the outcome of games when from a defensive standpoint you can't rattle a guy right i think anything malicious needs to be taken out right and that you want to talk about player safety take away you know intent you know inside out or outside in uh low blocks right and take away and intent like even if a guard's pulling and you know We used the knife knees of guards that were pulling, right? Crackbacks, I get all that, right?

Take that, the militias out, but you take, like, the Jones play. You take the, there's so many examples of guys making great plays, and then you're getting punished for it. Or you take, you look at, I've used this. Tackle on Tom Brady a few weeks ago with the Atlanta game. Come on, do you look at it. Now they're saying, like, I mean, you got pads on, right? So how are you supposed to be running full speed,

tackle somebody, but, oh, let me gently lay you down. Sorry, I was never in that control of my body. I'm not that good of an athlete. So I just think you hinder the tactics of the game, right, flashing in front of a quarterback. And you know it. More you try to, like, we try to be in contact with a quarterback all the time. I'm bumping them on the way back.

I'm talking to them. I'm telling them letting them know, like, we're coming. We're going to be around them. Because if I can get you to chicken wing a ball or, you know, I think you're going to get your hand hit on a helmet, or, you know, if I can, you know, look at the last play of the Green Bay, commander's game a few weeks back, right?

He steps in there and makes that throw to the side on the out with a de lineman trying to like chicken wing him in his chest. What if that de lineman would have ran through his neck? You know? Put his helmet right underneath his chin or had his arm up not worrying about accidentally tapping him on the face mask getting to 50 yards. Maybe that arm gets pulled back.

Maybe that outcome is different. So I don't know. I just think like, you know, malicious hits should go away, but things that happen in the act of play, you know, by throwing a flag on how somebody put somebody on the ground. I mean, that's ridiculous. So you think falling your entire body weight

on a quarterback is fine? 100%. Okay. The rules are pretty ass backwards because if you're in the pocket, you can't go low in the quarterback. As soon as the quarterback breaks the pocket, the smartest move is to go low.

Because if you go high, you can get a roughing the pass. 100%. It's a backwards deal. And even on the one with Brady, again, that dude, it was the most, he,

cowboy tackled him and just rolled him over his body. Yeah. But he was saying he threw him too hard to the ground. Yeah, which, you know what I'm saying? That's wild. It was basically like a rap tackle. He's doing everything right in the situation.

It's a violent sport. I'm not going to go on top of him. I'm not going to be up top. He's around his waist and going like this. And doesn't even like whiplash him. No, as soon as he knew he was going on, he let him go. Football didn't become popular because of the dancing and the end zone. You know what I mean?

Like it became popular because it was a violent sport. Very violent. And people like watching grown men collision and, you know, and see the athleticism amongst that violence, right? So to take that away or try to enact that, again, you can, if he tackled the running back like that, right? If he tackled the running back like that, totally fine. That's fine. But because it's a quarterback, so you're saying the quarterback's a bigger wist than everybody else, right?

I mean, that's my point of it. It's absolutely stupid. Yeah. I mean, it affects the outcome of a game. You're penalizing a guy for winning. You're penalizing a guy for tackling somebody how he's, and he's already adjusted, right? He could have slammed him over. That right there is egregious.

Like Tom Brady should try to kick him. Look at it. He should throw a flag on him. They should test the air on the ball. Oh, shit. Tom's taking strays. Yeah. That's hilarious.

If you pancake me, right? If you were to dump a defensive end... What happened in 2016? I don't have to watch the tape on that one. Let's review that. Let's review that, please. 2016 it probably happened because I didn't play in 2016. 2015?

Yeah. Yeah. Can we throw the review flag on that? I'm saying if you get dumped, right, by an office line or defensive lineman, they're not calling that. If I blow my shoulder out because what's happened to me? I got landed on by somebody, blew my AC joint out, and like 08, right? And I can remember what game it was.

And that's not a penalty. So why is it that if a running back or a quarterback gets flung to the ground, all of a sudden it's 15-yard? And the statistics that show, like, if you get a penalty within a drive that continues to a first, like most time at least do a touchdown. Right. So you're generally affecting the score, and that's what's ridiculous. Yeah, I was thinking about this last night when the Titans were playing the Chiefs.

There were so many flags thrown on both teams. I think it was equal at the end. But it seems like every year when you sit in team meetings, they always have refs come in to practice and they say, hey, these are the new rules. This is what the point of emphasis is. And it's always like, it's their idea of trying to make the game better and safer, but it's like there's so much more to worry about. Now you're thinking about too much shit when you're trying to play the game.

They want to make more high scoring. They have these stupid ideas in the uniform, too. Like, who gives a shit how you wear your uniform? The big thing this year was you have to have your knee pads all over your knees. It's like, who fucking cares? I want to see the stat that says that little thin piece of foam. Yeah, good luck, ball. Good luck.

I'll tell you now. I'll let you know. Hey, if you would have had your knee pad properly. Yeah, it probably would have worked out just fine. It definitely wasn't. It was definitely up here. But it's just frustrating because it seems like they do these tiki-tacky things to make it seem like safety as a priority. when you can do other things for safety

the helmets have gotten a whole lot better from when you started playing to the end of your career you could see the helmets getting better. I rock the original Rydell the whole time. I saw the one, I wore the same one and it was a badass helmet, but they discontinued it in like, I think 16 or 17. The problem is they came out with a concussion-proof helmet

and then you take these dudes that are running, like you got linebackers running, you know, sub-4-4s these days, right? Low four-fours. And you're telling this guy he has a concussion-proof helmet, and so he's going to lead with his head and just Right. You know, it would destroy himself.

Yeah, it's just fucking, the whole thing is a little frustrating. It seems like some of the pageantry of the game is being taken away. Yeah. Well, again, yeah, I think it just, and they don't, I don't think they realize that there's, there's strategical things about everything, right? It's the same way, you know, you guys just be able to motion a tight end, you know, from the outside.

Oh, yeah. At the snap. And get earholds as I'm in full pass rush mode. It happened like two, three times yesterday. And guess what? They still allow that to happen. That's brutal. I wasn't Vanombosh.

I think the Texans did it against you guys. Vandenbosch gets flown across, takes out of detackles and knee. And again, that's okay. But again, I'm like, all right, let it ride because that's a heck of a way to deter a defensive end from. Coming on. I definitely got to, I got to recognize that. So, I mean, again, at what point is it like, well, a chip block? I mean, think about it.

If you haven't taken a chip block to the rib cage, It doesn't feel good. You know, your liver. You're like, gee, many crickets, how am I not defense? I'm engaged with somebody else and you're going to attack that way. So, I mean, you go down that road and I think it's just, it's ridiculous. They need to, everybody needs to assume the risk. Everybody's making a truckload of money.

We all signed the dotted line on the contract. Nobody goes into the NFL or plays football with this idea that they're never going to get hurt. And if they do, they're full of it, they're liars. And every single one of them, too, you know, that was the big, you know, thing. That was a big, that was tough to watch. And then before he signed a $100 million contract, you're going to get your head snapped off the turf and miss a couple games with a concussion. You still want to do this?

He would say yes every single time. I mean, you're not turning down that kind of money. You're not turning down that kind of passion. And again, he probably told the guys he was good to go back. I'm not saying you don't need to look out for people, you know, you got to remove people from themselves sometimes.

You definitely have to do that. That's definitely a thing. But at the same time, the assumed risk is there. And you just, you're, you diminish the product. in my opinion, the more you try to oversight it, oversight it oversight. Yeah. They get to the point to where they neutered a little too much. Just because, again,

you assume the risk going in. I understand taking out some of like the cut blocks, the knifing guys out, like going low on quarterback. Like, you're trying to make it to save as safe as you can. But again, it's like part of that gladiator violence that you... Yes. You were like... People pay for. You were like into.

Growing up, you like love seeing that shit. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, Will and I talk about this all the time. Like, when you're younger, you're in high school in college, even your first couple years in the league. Like, you think to yourself, if I die out here today, what a way to go? What a way to go out? What a way to go out? Oh, I'm going to like, catch a one-hand of catch, get hit on the knee, crack my neck and just me lay in there.

But you caught. But you caught it. Yeah. It's just fucking. You can get a movie, Jeremy McGuire. Yeah. I mean, come on. Right, right, right.

What do you say? He's like, just let me take it in. Let me just take it in. Show me the money. It really is like this idea we have, like, you get brainwashed in front. football. Like you legit go in there and you're like, I'm willing to die for the University of Michigan or Nebraska. Yeah. I mean, I don't know so much today with the transfer portal. That is way different. We miss that. Like, the transfer when, even when Will and I played, it's like,

you'd have to miss a year, sit out of year. Like, there's a whole bunch of different hoops. You'd have to jump through. Oh, yeah. And then you couldn't, you couldn't go accept money if you didn't get your release. And then you had, yeah, there's now, it's like just a ferrous wheel of what was your recruiting process like in high school? Oh, it was good. I decided to play a prank and, well, not me, but I said, I was a part of it. The football team, the seniors on the football team. Excuse me.

Yeah, you can't clear your throat no more. And now everybody, we just made fun of laughing at me. Your voice anyway, you sound like the exact same. Like, you sound like you got to clear your throat the entire time. You got COVID from making fun of people. What a jerk he is. But, no, it was my root process was strong until we decided to, steal all the yearbooks at the school and by steal borrow them because we thought it was funny.

The school did not think it was funny when, you know, a bunch of people that paid for the yearbooks didn't get their yearbooks. How'd you steal the yearbooks? We took them. Where? Is it a storage room? No, no, no. So, like, we knew everybody in the yearbook committee.

So the entire football team and, like, the senior pranks, we went and, yeah, we took the boxes. And then, like, I had, like, three in my car. And, you know, I sold them to a couple people at a discounted price. Opportunity. I saw opportunity. It's opportunity, man. Opportunity. Entrepreneursy.

So they didn't really like me at that school. I was on an inter-district transfer, and I was a little bit of a hellion as a kid. And so I took the fall because, you know, snitches get stitches. I refused to rat on anybody. What a guy. And I took the fall.

They kicked me out of school. I picked your crew for a hell's angel. Yeah, for real. And we're right back at the beginning. And now you know why. became a Christian, right? I got recruited one way or the other. One way or the other.

At that time, I probably would have been open to Mormonism. Were you getting recruited by big, were you getting recruited by big schools? I committed to the University of Washington. I thought I was going to U.S. I was like playing in the Pac-10. That's all I ever thought, right? Ended up at Idaho State.

And they were beating down my door every day. Like Coach Ray was like every week was there. So, but yeah, that's how mine got. Then I went to Las Gatos, and then I'll never forget, I committed to ISU, went there. And I came back one time I went into my coach's office, and I saw my box of, like, all my senior film was still in his office.

I was like, no shit. I got a call from Stanford. They came to practice to viewer tied in. He had like a 4.8 GPA or something like that. I got a call from a random number. I was at a, you know, high school volleyball game or something on Friday, so acting like a real idiot. And I was like, yeah, I was like, this is the coach from Stanford.

And he was like, you know, we watch your practice day. We'd love, you know, you know Greg Schindler, we'd love you to come up and take a visit. This then there. He's like, what did you get on your GP? On your, are your SATs? I was like, 960. Yeah. He was like, you plan on taking him again?

I was like, nope. He was like, all right, well, don't you later. No doubt. Dude, so I had a 2.7 GPA at the end of my senior year. That's how I got in that motherfucker. But like, when I was like going through that process, Stanford, Jim Harbaugh came to my school. They were recruiting this kid, this DN, Craig Rowe.

And they were like, hey, we love your film. Like, they looked at my transcript. They literally laughed. Yeah. And they said, hey,

there's no shit. And they just left. And they just left. We get one, we get one, uh, scholarship a year that we get to push through. Yeah.

Like, and we always use that on a skilled position. And I was like, okay. Well, I was like, look, if you stay,

wasn't on my list. Yeah. Idaho State wasn't on my list either, but I ended up there. Idaho State the Bengals, maybe. Then I actually, so my sophomore year,

I was going to transfer. Our coach U. Poressa was our office coordinator. and he transferred, he went to USC, and he called me, he's like, hey, we got a scholarship, your name on it if you want it, right? And I was like, yeah, I'm in. So I go to get my release, and my coach was like,

nope, and see, no transfer portal. Right. So he's like, you got to stick it out out of those there. Which I'm glad I did because I, you know, I hadn't accomplished all the goals I wanted to there anyways. What year was that for you? Goodness, so I could graduate of 2000. It was 2002, going to that 2002 season,

I was trying to transfer to SC. I was like, like, no, sir. I was like, dang, all right, coach. So you ended up getting drafted by Kansas City in the fourth round? Fourth round, yep. Fourth round. And obviously, it seems like things were going well in Kansas City.

You get traded for a first and two third round picks. That's pretty incredible to Minnesota eventually. But before that, you had to go through like a tender year and a franchise year trying to get a deal. Yeah, so that was the frustrating part, right? So when I played out my contract, you know, got a bit of trouble my third year. So I told them, I was like, hey, let me prove to you guys that I matured out. I got this handle. You know,

I was just acting like a dumb kid. Were there issues in the first couple of years? No, no, just 30. I mean, at some point, you know, you give a young kid with nothing but time

and too much money in his pocket. At that time, you know, not, I mean, I don't know what it was. What year did you come in? My first year was 2014.

Oh, geez, your league minimum was insane. Our league minimum was $225. Yeah, and they took half of that in taxes. And that was $4.50. Yeah. I was still fighting a good fight.

It's so, uh, it was first round. Relaxed. Relaxed. I was buying that good fight. After the signing bullet was still going to hurt. After the signing was, that shit was hurt a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah, we still find a good fight. I got to buy a brand new used truck. That's what I got to buy. And so, I didn't know where I was going with that now. But. So you're like, I'm making six figures. This is insane.

So getting troll a little bit, my third year. And are you able to talk about the trouble? Oh, yeah. I got two DUI's. Are you drunk right now? No, no, no. I'm just kidding. You need a five-month fan?

Yeah, it was a bad, bad time for me. I was really a bad time. I was just ignorant and dumb and just, you know, actually no responsibility, right? Yeah. Living like he had no responsibility. He didn't understand what being a role model was or being a productive part of society. Because I was a complete meat stick, right? I play football, drink, that's what I do.

Yeah. When you went on jackass? No, no. I went on jacket, years later. My heroes. And so, I went through that. I told them, I was like, hey, let me, let me prove to you guys. I got this handled, right?

I mean, I went and did this, you know, outpatient, like, alcohol classes, all this stuff. I was like, I got to figure if I got a problem, I got a problem. Own it. You know, literally, talking to my grandfather, he called me. He was like, listen, I didn't bring this last name through three wars and multiple conflicts for you to eff it up. So I figure it out. No shit. Yes, sir.

So I was like, let me figure this out. And honestly, I mean, it was a maturity issue. I was like, I was a distant, dumb kid, you know, hair on fire. Like, I used to think, like, I played on the edge so I'd live on the edge, right? Oh, I love that. And so, you know, I went down. But so I went to them and told them like, hey, like, let's just, let's pause this. I'll sign my Tinder, right?

But I told them, I was like, if you franchised me, I'm going to be pissed. So, long story short, we get through the Tinder year, right? Going to, you know, lead the Lik and Sacks, all that stuff. get ready to get my contract. You led the league your tender year. Yeah, my fourth year. What a win, by the way. Yeah.

In 14 games, right? So I'm like, you know, we got this. And I'm thinking I'm getting into, you know, we gave them what we at that time, which was going to be a great contract. They turned it down. And I'll never forget. The break and straw, we had a phone call. We were supposed to be on with Carl and Peters and a Denny Thumb.

Me and my agent jump on the call. They set the call up, by the way. It wasn't like, we were like, hey, can we call this time? Yeah. So we got on the call. We wait for 20 minutes. on hold. Denny gets on the phone and goes,

we're going to have to reschedule. Carl had to leave the country. Like, just on a whim, you had to leave the country? You guys scheduled this call? You didn't know what? You didn't know what? That's the last draw.

I called Clark and I was like, here's your guys the option. Do you either trade me or you rent me for two years? And I promise you I pull a hamstring every time. Like I'm coming in week six and pulling a hamstring. Yeah. Or week 10, I think I'd play six games. So got them to trade,

got them to give his permission to trade, During the franchise year. No, no, I didn't play the franchise year. I never signed the franchise tender until we had the sign and trade and deal with those. So I got them. What's the kid? What's the, after six weeks? What did you have to do for six weeks?

No, so you have to play at least six weeks. I'm sorry, so I could show up week 10. You have to play at least six weeks to get accredited year. Got you at that time because now it's three games. That's three games now. Now that's time you had to be on the Ross, you know, six weeks. So I could basically hold out for 10 weeks, show up for six. And I told him I was like, I'll pull a hamstring.

Yeah. Be good. So, you know, got them to allow me to trade, get the trade, and talk to Tampa, Minnesota, and they got the deal done with Minnesota. But during that time, it was like, God said, dude, because Dwight Frini comes out and breaks the bank, right? You know, back then, I was trying to get seven a year APY, and because I was right run where Jason Taylor was getting. He was top five in the league at the time.

And then Frini comes in, gets 12 a year. And I'm, like, sitting here like, well, my numbers are better than Frady's numbers. Yeah. I'm getting super paid, right? Super duper paid. And so it ended up working out. And, you know, it was tough because, you know, Herman and I have a great relationship. He was my coach at the time there.

I have a great relationship to the Chiefs now. Like, you know, they've had me back multiple times, so no hard feelings. But yeah, it was a tough time because I'd never, like, I was still just meets. Like you said in college, your brainwashed. Like, you run through brick walls because they say, and I come in with Vermil, who's old school, right? Like, he'll beat you into a pulp and then give you a hug and tell you he loved. you and you're like, yep, you're at my going. I didn't even know I needed your approval like a father.

I'm good relationship with my father, but I'm in. Yeah. You know, it's like you're your home. That's how they fucking loyalty, man. And so then, you know, so I'm dealing with the business side of this thing now. And it was, dude, it was hectic. I'm not going to lie. But like I said, worked out great Minnesota.

It was phenomenal. Obviously, my career paths worked that okay. But, yeah, I'm one of the lucky ones. All my trades, I asked to be traded and ended up in the place I wanted to be and never got cut. So it worked out. What was that situation like where you were literally with Kansas City, say, I'm not playing for you guys anymore.

You have to trade me. So obviously it's cold. It's stressed. And then you get Tampa Bay in Minnesota and they're both, you're negotiating a contract while you're getting traded, right? Yeah. So, yeah, so you got permission. At first, they were only getting me permission to talk to Tampa, right?

Which was fine. I'm a Gruden fan, a group of Raiders fan. Yeah, Gruden Grinder. Yeah. And so, I don't even know what that was, but it was awesome. He was a Gruden Grinder, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I got the T-shirt and everything.

I love it. I'm like, I don't have one of those. That's accomplishment. So, but then there, I think, was it Bruce Allen? Was it Bruce Allen or? He was the team? Yeah, yeah, Bruce Allen had to him. Then he went to Washington.

So he starts talking the same nonsense. They were, like, wanted to put restrictions on my contract because, you know, oh, he's at risk, this, that, and the other. And I was like, man, I'm not going from one organization that doesn't believe in me to the next. Right. And then, you know, so we went to visit Minnesota first. and they just didn't let me leave and, you know, so it worked out all right.

So you actually went to Minnesota and was like checking it all out and everything. So we got permission to get to seek the trade, right? We went up there. Like I said, you got to hammer out the contract, right? So now, but not only that, we're trying to hammer out the contract hammer out, but they're trying to hammer out compensation for the chiefs. So, I mean, they could have paid me whatever, but if the chiefs didn't agree to the compensation,

then it's. Yeah. So they're also like, really not only with you, but they're in a great job for you. Yeah. So, you know, for them to give up at that time. you know, a first, two-thirds, and make me the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history. It was a nuts.

It was a nuts three-year-old. It was, I'm not a liar, stressful. So not only like that, you're just like, not only did they make me the highest paid, you know, they mortgage the farm to make sure I'm not a bus. So luckily for me, I'm kind of, you know, I try it out to have a rest of my laurels, right? I'm like, I always trying to want to do myself and very self-motivated. So it worked out. But, yeah, it's a stressful time when you're dealing.

I was in the room for all the negotiations. and you're sitting there like, what the hell is going on here? Some fucking button-up collar shirt that you found in the back of your closet. I guess I'll wear this today. You're sitting there, it's still got wrinkles all over it, and they're over there hammering out business calls, and you're just like, holy fuck.

Yeah, dude, it's gnarly. Was it a fresh start in Minnesota? Is that a thing where you're like, you know, you're about to go to a new team and you're kind of like fuck? Like, I really wanted to be with... Here's the deal. Like, it's actually scary, right? Because now, that's why I actually got respect for Brady

on what he was able to do in Tampa his first year there, right? You go from being in somewhere your entire career. coaches city, you know, routine strength coach, everything, right, to figuring out something new. So I got, like, Minnesota was awesome because, like, I had my trainers in Arizona that I worked with, right? I'm coming off, you know, but I, you know, I got my weight where I wanted to be, just the league in sacks. Like, I have, I'm in a rhythm now. And I'm like, all right, this is, I know how I need to train. I see what success is. And but a lot of times you go somewhere new, like, when I went to Chicago, like, they went out, all of a sudden they want you in the

weight room. Everybody wants to coach the new toy, right? And you're like, so I got to get Minnesota credit. Like I told Brad, I'm like, listen, I'll come up here for a little bit of, you know, OTAs and stuff like that, but, you know, get settled down. But, you know, I got to get back with my trainers. You guys, you guys want me at this level. This is the level I got to be at. And Tom Canavy, you know Canavey. I know Canavey. He was my strength coach. Big Jared Allen fan, by the way. And so, but, like, he had no ego and wasn't, like, hammering me on, like, have to do his workouts and the other totally cool. Like, hey, what do you need for me type of guy? Yeah. And it was great. And so they made it feel like home.

and then I had Kevin and Pat, who, I mean, our D-Line room was so crazy, crazy competitive. Like, it didn't even matter, like, you didn't want to show up, you weren't worried about showing up on film on Sunday, or, I mean, on Monday to, like, for the team meeting or defensive meeting to get ripped. Like, if you had a bad game, you didn't want to be at that D-Line room. You were- Really? Because all you guys were chirping each other.

Tor apart. Like, I got there. My, my, I think I had, like, 57 tackles in 14-and-a-half sacks, sorry, 15-and-half sacks in 07, right? The year before that had like 65, almost seven. One year I think I had close to 70 tackles in Kansas City. And I got there and they're like, we play the run here, bro. You better check my staff. You can play the run.

Yeah. From Marty Ball. Hey, the OG JJ Watt over here, dude. I was like, we come from Marty Ball, dude. You know what I mean? I'm like, back in the day where, you know, we're playing San Diego and they got a 300 pound tight. Jason Dunn was a 300 pound tit in with us, right?

And so they're giving me a hard time. I'm like, you better, we earn the ride around here. And I'm, my first of all, I got more sacks than any of you guys got combined. But I love it. Yeah. He pulled that shit out, dude. He was fucking there. Kevin and Patty came.

Kevin's one of my closest buddies, dude. And I love those guys. My brothers, like, because we just pushed each other nonstop. Dude, it was just like, I mean, again, you couldn't slack because they were coming. I was never forget. Kevin jumped out. He had like five or six stacks early in 2004. And I was sitting at, like, one or two.

And I'm like, dude, they're going to, like, they're paying me all this money. I'm getting beat by a three technique. Yeah. I was like, this dude is on insane pace, but. The numbers up, homie. Yeah, it was. It was one of those deals where it couldn't have been better for my personality for that time of my life, my career, to be in Minnesota because, you know, federalist thing, iron sharpens iron.

But, I mean, it was, you know, more like you had bulldozers pushing you because, you know, you didn't want to be that guy. Yeah. What were, uh, what are some teams or tackles now that you look back on your career, like, what were games? and players that you looked at, you're like, oh, I'm about to eat this dude up? A lot of them. A lot of them. You got to, he, I mean, as career, you average over 10.

If you look at, you play what? 12 years. Yeah, 11 and some change. Yeah, like, you're averaging 10 sacks a year, like. It would stylistic, right? You had to know, like, all right, I'm about to get a bump this week because I'm going to get so-and-so.

Yeah, well, it depends. It's stylistic, too, right? So you hate to play a guy. No, you hate to play a team. Like I said, I would rather play against Taylor, right? All pro guy because they're going to leave them alone. You're not going to get all the help, right?

So it's going to come down to who's better that day. Yeah. Versus you're playing against, you know, I don't know, when Green Bay had like, they moved Darren College from Guard out to tackle. They had a T.J. Lane. They're going to slide. They're going to do this. Yeah. You're going to get chip. You're going to get this.

They don't have a technique. Or if you're playing against a guy who just likes to float back and gather, like, you know, a lot of times you play against the guy. like, oh, this dude's a scrub, I'm going to, I'm going to smash them, but guess what? You're going to get tied-in chip. You're going to get this. You're going to get this. Where if I got a guy that's okay, he's rhythmic, he's got strong, he's got strong hands.

Like, let's hand-fight. Like, we're going to hand-fight. I'm going to eventually win at some point, right? And so guys like that or, you know, even, you know, a quarterback, you play a guy that's got a decent tackle and a good quarterbacker. All right, they're going to, they want people downfield. They don't want people inside, you know, to help it out. So that was more of the deal of what games I was going to get my matchups.

I want, right? Versus games like, oh, crap. This dude, they got a vomit quarterback, you know, playing the backup quarterback. We're playing the backup quarterback. We're getting three step all day long. Yeah.

That's why I love playing Jason Peters, right? Our style is matched up against each other for me, well, because he's a pro bowl attack. They're not going to give up. He doesn't want help. He has a similar set every single time.

Similar set every time. I know how to rhythm break him, right? Like, you know, the same thing. It's like, you know, you've been playing against you. Like, I would know your rhythm, right? But that, that screws,

that goes against me. If he rhythm breaks, right? If he does something, you're going to catch him. But also, then that quarterback, so when they had Marriota, you get not,

not only you're rushing against the tackle, you're rushing against now a mobile quarterback. So, what might work. So he can get away with, he could get away with probably being over the top more,

for example, because if I take an inside move, Mariotta's just going to slide. He puts it in his vision right away. You get around it. I'm in his vision. He's going to, the side step over. Walter Jones was that way. Walter Jones would cut you off and bail straight

back and you'd think you had this inside route and then hassle back would step, you know, just slide over or wall sit like a wall. Right. We roll out and you're just like, I feel like I'm getting such a good rush. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm getting no results. And sometimes that's how it is. Sometimes you might have a good rush game, but you get no results. Some days it might be sloppy as all hell and you might take too, you know, take too home with you. Yeah. It's one of those games. But yeah, there's certain guys. And then you can see trends of office. right like so you know you never want to play a team right after they just gave up like eight you're like oh that's you want to you know they're getting murdered in the room you want to play a team that you're like all right do they've been giving up consistently like

two or three four game you know what I mean and then you're like they're not gonna they're not gonna go overboard because they still in just score points and then yeah um so yeah we we had to play Chicago I got to play Chicago one time after I think uh what was it the dude from the nineers got like five on them Yeah. It's like, oh, great. Yeah, yeah, it's not going to happen. It's not going to be a solid day. Yeah.

Well, here goes Max Pro every freaking day. Yeah. Seven man pro, H2, H3 type stuff. Yeah. That stuff's while. When you were at Minnesota, you guys were playing Tampa Bay. Yeah. Fourth quarter.

You guys are down, I think, 13 points, 30 to 17. And Donald Penn, I don't want to say big dogs you. But he kind of big dogs you for a second. Oh, yeah. from the right. At the helmet off, he had you bleeding down the nose. It looked very cool, by the way. Yes.

He looked very cool. And then there was like a minute and a half of time stoppage so you guys could talk shit to each other forever. And obviously the next play you get a big sack. And that fucking, that old Minnesota stadium was going fucking wild. Yeah, that was a cool. What was that situation like for you? So Donald Pinn and I, Donald likes to chirp as much as I like to chirp.

Yeah. And so most of the time plays in my hand. I remind him, I'm like, brother, like, you've never not gotten a sack on you. That's a tough thing to tell somebody. You know what I mean? So eventually it's happening. Yeah. This is going to happen.

Just lay down. So I take it inside. I take an inside move and, you know, he's given a little extra, right? You pull that clip up because it goes hard. I slide, you know, and I kind of like, I'm already down. So he's trying to bury me into the ground. And I'm like, bro, like, we already watch. But you stand your feet too, which is incredible.

But I'm like, so I'm like block me. So I'm telling him, I'm obviously talking trash because I know he's pushing me inside. Right. So I'm like, I'm like, dude, you know, block me straight up. Why you hit me in the back? You know, you said some choice words. And in the process, you know, of exchanging my helmet comes down and bust my nose open, right? Helmet comes off.

You know, I hold them, you know, like my seven, you know, like your little brother or whatever. Yeah, I mean, see, I kind of for an inside move? See, that's the one right there. That's the one I was like pushing you and trying to finish it. It'll show a replay of a second. I'm already on my knees. Like you're going to try to, now you're trying to take a little extra, which again, I get it. I'm all for it.

No mullet there, by the way. No mullet. A helmet comes off. You think they're throwing punches at me. He rips my helmet off. I have by the face mask. All I do is holding by his face mask. And so.

Oh, we got a, we got like a fight right here, dude. Just wait to watch this. Watch this. So I go for an inside move. Hey, that's a terrible, terrible rush by me. Right there. I trip. This is the one I had causing.

It's right there. And now you still want to go, right? That's where my nose gets bloody when my helmet comes off. So. I see you throw a little jab in there. The best part right there. Oh, dude, you never want to beat the guy. You got long arms too, bro.

That's a bitch of a move, dude. Those dudes you have the long arms and there's fucking holding you at a distance. So is it is a volume on this thing because you can hear the whole stadium is going for a fucking wild right now. Why are they throwing the ball up 30 17 to 30? 17 to 30. You can't. Oh, he's coming in a bitch. You see him?

He's like, oh, yeah. Oh, you can hear. Here's my address, bro. Like, here's my address. And while this clip is going on right now, Chris Collinsworth is just doing this. He's unzipping out, but he's pulling that fucking thing out. And he's about to go a ham on it. I was watch this guy.

I guarantee they're not exchanging phone numbers right now. They just started really getting into it. I probably did. I probably gave him my number. You're lying. You're lying. Here's my address. He's a big ass dude.

Here's my address. This is the very next play. This is the very next play. Here's my address. Here's my phone number anytime. Any place that's wrong. Oh, slow, a little start. Oh.

Like, what a fucking deal that you couldn't have drawn that up better. If they would have went on to, I would have drawn that up better. It would have been on two. I would have just the best feeling, bro. I would have. I would have jumped outside. You were going. You were fucking going.

Losing your fucking mind right now. That was a dope moment right there. That was a good one. You go, I get a sack on you all the time. Just let it happen. Yo, I know you're hype right there, bro. Is it a game? See, they try to chip me too.

Like, you know what I'm saying? No, I wasn't here. So Everett was like, what do you want to do? And I was like, just go. I'm running through this dude's neck, right? Like, I've got all there is to it. It's all that happened. You know that it was going.

But that actually worked at his distance. advantage, right? But that's my argument. Yeah, you got to pick and choose the time if you talk shit because if you're looking at a third and 17, you're probably going to wait to that first and tan to go back. Hey, remember when I bitched you? You remember that? At the same time, I'm sitting over there, and that's what I was

trying to tell. I'm like, bro, if you're that good, like, why are they chipping? Why are you chipping? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Donald was a big man. I mean, he was hard to move. Not only that, but he'll go, he'll like, did, he went after a troll in the parking lot when he was on the raiders. Got out of the rolls. He was telling what's what. I did, honestly, like, his personality,

I love his personality. It was great. And he was an undrafted guy too, right? He was on Minnesota's practice squad. He came through hell. He always, he always, he came from Minnesota's practice squad. When you were there? No, no, before I was there.

So he always had something to prove against Minnesota, right? And he went on to have a great career at the Raiders. And so him and I always mouthed and jog back and forth at each other. I actually, to me, those are the fun of skate. If you want to actually get to me, don't say anything. If you're quiet and don't talk, like that's not fun. Yeah. Now it's like, okay, I got no one to talk trash to.

But yeah, him and I had some battles, and it always ended in people getting dog cussed and all that stuff. But see, that's right there. This is what works right there. So he knows I'm coming for a bull rush, right? He's leaning. So he's leaning heavy. And he leans.

And actually, he knew he had chip help, so he stopped short, right? Yeah. So that allowed Everson to clear. So if he actually wouldn't have had chip help on that, and he would just set, we never would have got to the quarterback. but you know talking ball you know you have

that is a big that has a big win when the coaches see a fiery talk going on yeah hey we're gonna throw my chip real quick just to make sure everything's smooth just to make sure everything goes

is planned you can't look up a side like you appreciate you ball yeah but like more times and not the chipper can screw stuff up right yeah now is that everson Griffin you're talking to

yeah so every Arizona kid he was like he was like what do you want to do what do you want to do? like you need to just get out of my way. Yeah. Yeah. They said they almost got me off sides there.

Yeah. I have a mess right there. We were all going. I tried I'm like, whoever gets there first. We ended up winning this game. Oh, they did. Probably that score. Probably that score. Anybody else do you have like big rivals with like that?

Hold on before you go anywhere. Nothing says hard or white guy like that barbed wire tattoo you got going on. Oh, the old bill. What a boy? Not barbed wire. What we got going there, Bob? It's triber. Tribal. That's tribal barbed wire.

That's back when Goldberg was hot, dude. Him and Brian Erlacher fell victim. No, Burlacher is a street barbed wire. I got some tribal. That was a college. That was a freebie in college right there. That was a freebie. Yeah.

But that's back when those were hot. That's what you go to Idaho State. Folks, you go to Idaho State, you get you a nice old travel like that. Yeah, that was that was, that's one I wish I could probably take back. People say, like, oh, I have no regrets in life? Yeah. Tons of them. Tons of them.

I'm not saying it. It didn't make me who I am. Right. I think Frank Sinatra said it best. You'd regrets you have a few, but then again, too few to mention. Yeah, right. But yeah, no, tribal tattoo, and I'm not, there's nothing tribal about me. Hey, listen, hey, you see this?

I'm getting that removed right now. Yes, I love it. This place in Nashville is a pico laser. Get that thing done, you'll get that thing off in six to eight sessions, no problem. Yeah. I don't think you should. No, I just want to staple you. I'm already in.

I only litany of bad tattoos, though. Like, it's not even... What's your least favorite one besides that one? Well, it was my favorite. Then I had, I told my mom and my wife when you guys... It was my favorite. No, it was dumb. So I do a lot of things.

I've done betts or just because I say, I'm going to do something. I don't ever welch. Yeah. So I told my brother one time I was going to get like a dollar bill tattooed. You know, like I... You just graze your fingers across your lower stomach. What's going on?

And I saw when you're pumping that tarp off. There was something down there. Yes. You got a butterfly coming off the crotch or something? No, it's a deer. with a gun underneath. Oh, yeah, dude. That screams and broke back

mountain stuff, right? Well, the buck is a cover-up. The buck is a cover-up. The gun is a cover-up because it used to be like a word puzzle. What? So it used to... Oh, what's the word puzzle?

Well, it used to say... Like a Sudoku? I know. I'm like, I got it. How do I say this? I got... They're never going to hear this, but the tattoo, I can't hide from it, right?

it used to say all you can eat buddy that it let me that's fucking awesome dude yeah no I get it I know exactly when it's applying so

you should have never got that covered up I tried probably my mom cried when my mom found out she cried when I met my wife she was absolutely disgusted with me before it and I was just like yeah I was I was like 22 when I got it I thought it was way cooler than

so I told my mom Like as soon as I get married, I will cover that up. I mean, I think we went from our wedding reception to the tattoo parlor. No shit. I put a gun under it. And now it just looks like I like hunting so much. I put a freaking, you know, elk or a buck with a gun underneath my belly button, which is so, dude. That's probably one I need to get removed because dudes shouldn't have lower belly button ink or low back ink.

I disagree. And I disagree wholeheartedly. I think you did it. right. I think you did it right. Inspiring some college kid with a mole like, oh yeah, I need to get that. All you guys are like this. All you can eat. Yeah.

No, we're crossing. That's one, I don't think. I said this story alone. It's just incredible. Are you done getting tattoos? I say yes, right? I think, like, if something cool, like, I don't know, like,

at one point I was like going to sleeve my arm up with my kids and all that stuff, and I'm like, you know, at some point you can only have so many names on you that, you know, my kids know their names. I know my kids' names. Right. You know, I don't know.

I like tattoos. I think they're cool. I'm more feeling like, well, I don't really work out like I used to. And, you know, tattoos and like dad boss, saggy kind of dadbods don't really vibe. So, I don't know. Yeah, I disagree with that too. I think that shit goes hard, dude.

I think that shit goes hard. People always say like, oh, wait, why would you get tattoos? Why would you put a bumper sticker in a Lamborghini? Buddy, we're not Lamborghinis. We're not Lamborghinis. We're on a civics at best, dude. That's pet my ride. True.

You know what I'm saying? Let's get fucking wild with that thing. I'm a fan of tattoos. I have no problem with them. I feel like if you're going to do it, though, you have to understand. First of all, you have to be that guy, right? So, like, for a dude from, oh, Rudolph, Kyle Rudolph, right, from Minnesota. He loved Kyle Rudolph, but he came from Notre Dame.

Yeah. You know, the big, big old white glove hands. He's like the Pillsbury guy, right? Yeah. Everything. Next thing, you know, he's sleeved up. I'm like, I just don't. know if you've had enough struggles in your life to be sleeved up.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but I get in demons. You got to be a little, you got to be having to have a couple stories that go, okay, he's been through it. Especially when you have bad tattoos like me, right? Like my life story, you're like, you would expect me to have some bad tattoos, 100%, right? You're like, yeah, that you probably has some really crappy tattoos. Right?

I've outgrown them. Outgrown them? But it is what it is. Yeah, but the thing you got going for you, dude, is you got a nice little, you have the you have the mullet going. You have the belt buckles. you've driven your path of what your style is. Yeah, yeah.

And I think the tattoos play perfectly into that hand. It goes out and gets a neck tattoo. You're like, okay, now you have to be an athlete or in music, right? You're limiting your life skills. Right. But if you're going to get sleeved up, you know, you got to have a little edge to you, right? Like, I'm like, okay, yeah. I don't know your history, but I'm like,

that's my point. I'm like, yeah, I see the tattoos. Like that makes sense. Like, how much harder does it get? It makes sense. I mean, tattoos make sense. How much harder does it get, Willie? You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Grew up on a ranch. Come on. Hey, hard working. Hard working, dude. Muckin stalls at 4 a.m. in the summertime. Yes, sir. What y'all do?

Come on. But you're like a California-Arizona guy. You're not like a Texas-Arizona guy. I mean, I think what I'm wearing right now would definitely support what you're saying. But where I grew up would be, I guess, more Texas, Arizona. You've been up to Cape Creek, you know. I've been there. So you know.

Yeah. But I've chosen my path. Actually, I haven't chosen my path. I think I wear different shit all the time and, like, kind of contradicts itself. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, 100% do it. But it's because I'm still sure.

I don't want to fucking draw my line too soon. I want to have multiple lines. Is that possible? Gary goes, yeah, sure. Yeah, absolutely. Idaho State, Charlie Regal, my head coach at Chapparel High School, is now the head coach at Idaho State University.

I'm sorry, a big sky. We go full circle. Dude. It is. It's like the seven degrees of Kevin. bacon. That's what's happening right now. And I think that what do you think Charlie Rego is going to do for that university? I don't know personally. I've, uh, I've, uh, I talked to him on the phone. He's a high energy guy.

High energy guy. Um, at one in eight or one in seven. Mm-hmm. Well, we're building. Don't know what his coaching style is or isn't. Yeah. So I don't, I don't have an expectation, other than, um, next year obviously can't get much worse. So it's got to be better. There you go, baby. Expectations low so you can only go up from there. That's the key to happiness. Yes. I had a fortune cookie one time tell me if you never climb, you'll never fall.

There we go. That's big brain thinking right there. That's big brain thinking, dude. I think you guys are going to be solid. I think, as a motivation guy, he's incredible. I think you'll be able to recruit, and I think guys will play for him. So I think, like I told you earlier,

I think they're going to ask like 35 people to leave the program. So I didn't know you could rebuild in college, but I guess they're going to do it. We talked about before. You need to go to the nearest juvenile detention center. Yeah.

Get a baker's dozen there. And then you get a couple guys that are good leaders. And let's just point this cart in the direction we want to go. Yeah, just, we need like old school raiders. That's what I said. I told our idea,

I said we need, we need an identity. So we need to figure out what that identity is. And in my personal opinion, unless you have a rock star quarterback, go get the best O-Limon you can possibly get and run the ball. I would be, I would be in freaking wing T style.

Just, I would be in heavy, the overload wing right just power eye back football what's the military school that runs that navy it's the arm no air force air force runs wingtie i would run wingtie but i would literally go back to straight power eye football because the thing about everybody's a specialist these days no one wants to get hit in the face anymore yeah so i would just i would just murk i would put a freaking 250 pound fullback and just i so just kill guys every single time do you do that in juco you you eat all the juco kids up there no problem because you're d1 right yeah

D1, what is it, FCS now, D1A. Oh. You guys are D1A trying to compete with like the North Dakota States of the world? Yeah, it's hard. Is Idaho State that they had success back in the day? Back when I was there, yeah, we did. We just had our 20-year reunion for winning the big sky. But we were some ruffians.

But that's what we did. We ran the ball. We literally ran the ball down people's faces. We just made it happen. We did a couple good quarterbacks, good Roger Schievers. We were all 1-8 players that got in trouble. And so ended up in Idaho State. That's incredible.

That's exactly what they need to do. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, I believe in Charlie Regal. I believe in Charlie Regal. I don't know him personally. So if you believe in them, I believe in you.

Fuck, yes, dude. I love, look at us. Look at us, dude. This has been incredible. Yeah, this has been an incredible podcast.

Who's the most interesting player that you played with in your locker? I got to wrap this up as simple because I got to get to my daughter's karate class. But, um, interesting player? Oh, gosh, dude. Played against? Played against or played with?

No, played with, like in your locker room that you've seen. Interesting. I know you've had some cats in there. Like, Griffin, like, he was an interesting. You're like, we would hear, I would hear from afar in the Washington locker from that he would, like, beat his own teammates up. No, I never saw him beat anybody else. He was like a violent teammate.

Percy Harvin, you've heard stories. Love personal. I was with Percy. Percy was actually a great teammate. Everson got, Everston had a few issues. But when we were there, like, Everson, he actually, he knew his role, like, where he was at, right? So, EF was actually very manageable.

always knew he had an incredible skill set, right? Just if he could keep the mental side, you know, in check and going. But not even just just focused, right? Yeah. If you could focus on his task, the dude was, I mean, you could see it. He's a monster. Didn't he run down on Gunner? Yeah, like he's a fucking gifted beyond measure.

But I got to play with the likes of between Tony Gonzalez, right? Wheel Shields, Willie Roof, you know, Randy Moss. I played for a little bit, but even Kevin, like I said, Kevin and Pat Williams. I got to play with Thai Law. Like, you know, so the list of guys just from a skill set that I got to play was insane. And as far as characters, I mean, Eric Hicks, I mean, he was like, you know, Vonny Holiday. All these guys were my, like, big brothers, you know.

Man, I'm trying to think probably. I mean, you probably probably brought up as well. Honestly, one of my favorite human beings was probably John Browning, right? He was just a soft-spoken dude. but his John Brownie Willie so Willie Robes probably one of my all that my all that favorite so Willie Rose

way he retired well the way I remember it was so we were at OTAs and we were Hermit get we're getting after pretty good right Willie gets in his car after practice one day and you know leaves and no one thinks so he doesn't show but OTAs no one's really thinking much of it yeah uh training camp comes Willie's not there I remember Herman one day like

hey Shills anybody anybody I guess he decided one day during OTAs. He was done. He just left. And that's how he retired, but just like didn't. I'm sure. I haven't asked him of a story. I just remember one day he was at OTAs.

And then I never saw him again. That's iconic. A competitive football field, yeah. That's an iconic way to go out. You also had an iconic way to go out riding the horse up into the sunset. That was my wife's idea. I got to give her all the credit in the world for that.

She came up with that idea. and it became legendary. It became, yes, that was legendary. When did you know, like, I'm done, I'm hanging it up after this? I knew I was done at year 10, right? I was done at year 10, and then the Bears threw a contract at me. I couldn't say no to. A two year?

It was a four year, avoidable four, three year, but I made all my money in two. So I took it. And then when I asked them, you know, then I asked them, you know, they had a whole regime shift. I asked them to trade me to Carolina, right? So I get traded to Carolina. And he's like, hey, we're good. Like, you know, you're going to have to pay any of that back. Cause I knew I was going to retire too, right?

So everybody was so worried about Cutler's, you know, $10 million roster bonus that they had to get. Yeah. They forgot about, they wouldn't even pay attention to mine. God, well, win. And then, like I said, so then I get traded. I mean, the bears are still paying the 80% of the salaries. So why are, you know, why are the Panthers going to convert anything over to signing bonus? So after, you know, X amount of games, your roster bonus is locked in.

I got to keep it all. I got paid for four. You almost got a Super Bowl. Almost, man. I was close. I'd tell you, it was more painful losing the NFC championship game

than it was a Super Bowl. Because you're there. You know, you're there. You're experiencing it yet. But yeah, it was a rough of me. We played well, too.

It was a heck of a game. It was an awesome game. And we just got out, we just got out played on defense, right? If you think about it, I mean, and we play, we held Peyton 186 yards.

They scored on defense. We didn't. Yeah. Vaughn Miller just went nuts. Yeah, he went nuts. He did. Dude, how legendary is Luke Kikley? Oh, dude, dude's a stud.

That dude, that dude was balls to the walls. Like, he was every bit, every bit of what you thought, that's what he was. Smart as all can be. Love Keeckley, huh? Fucking hard, dude. Love him, dude. He's a hard dude. When you're a backer, dude, Kikley was like, he's,

he said, like, you wanted to be called a poor man's Luke Kikley. And that's the deal, like, and he was a blue-collar dude, just worked, worked, worked, always at practice. The problem is, like, if he could stay healthy, he could argue to be one of the all time. All the time. Yeah, man. Is he not? Yeah, he might be. He might be.

Yeah, he still is. It's kind of like the Patrick Willis saying. Patrick went out after nine years. Right. You got to say 10, 12 years from a longevity standpoint, Patrick Willis, another one. Yeah, he would, he, because he only played nine and just studs. Bounce.

Yeah. That's crazy. I know you got to get out of here, but, um, Hall of Fame. Yeah, man. If it happens, it'll be one of the greatest treasures. Like, I'm, I'm hoping it's, it's an odd process, right?

and, you know, you kind of, you know, being a first ballot finalist with Peyton and them. Yeah, it was an incredible class. Like, crap, that might be arguing the greatest classes ever, right? So I don't get it on that class. I'm thinking, well, I'm a shoeing for the next class, right? Yeah. Don't get it on that one. I'm kind of like, I had no expectations first year.

Then I'm kind of sad face for a few days. But I generally try to keep things in perspective, right? Because I'm getting rejudged on things I already did. There's literally zero I can do. You can do. And if it's, and if it's, and if it's, you know. It's a popularity contest, and you know, it is what it is. I'm not going

into the page. I mean, you're pretty fucking... But, yeah, buddy, the popularity's there. Yeah. You're OG, JJ, what? Well, hopefully. You know, it's batting balls down way before that cat. Yeah. He had the moody and the celebrations. Like, you were the fucking...

You were on jackass. That had to be one of your greatest accomplishments. That was great. Those dudes are tough. And they became friends. That's a quality bunch of guys. Like, honestly, like, Knoxville and those guys were freaking phenomenal. Talk about not, you know, judging a book by its covered great dudes. So yeah, I mean, the Hall of Fame to me, though,

it's, this is why I tell people, it'll be one of the greatest honors bestowed upon me, right? But it's not going to change my life, you know, to have a gold jacket

versus not a gold jacket. I mean, at the end of the day, the pomp of circumstance will be phenomenal. It'll be great to represent the NFL, you know, my body will work and be a part of that fraternity.

It'll be insane. But it's not going to make my wife love me anymore or less. My kids aren't going to love me anymore or less. And at the end of the day, I'm still going to be, you know,

muck and stalls of my dad I'm still picking up dog crap. Loss got to get mode. So I try to keep it in a circumstance, like in perspective of that I have no control over it. So do I want it to happen? Absolutely. When it happens, will I be elated? If it happens, absolutely. If for some reason it never does, I'm not going to look at it as a failure. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's hard to think that it's not going to happen.

I think it's just a matter of time for you. And the perspective you have is incredible to be able to know those things. Your life's not going to love you more. your kids are going to love you more, but that is when you play football. That's what we all dream about. Yeah. It'll make you cooler for sure. It'll make cool. If I get that gold jacket.

And every this podcast, I might need it. There's some people not thinking of like cool. The Mormons are definitely coming out of you. You're about to fucking elevate, brother. This is going to help. I really, I think you do a phenomenal job if you started a podcast, especially the things you love, horses, all that stuff. I think you would do an incredible job.

That takes time and effort. Then I couldn't be on, you know, you know, I couldn't just be the gas saying dumb crap, you know. Fair. Yeah. Maybe we just, maybe we all do a show one day. Listen, I'm always I'm always owned for ideas. I guess you lives eight minutes away.

I mean, I'm just saying, AJ Hawk, love AJ. He's great. You want to do that? I'm just saying, I mean, I think I could be the AJ Hawk of... You watch enough ball? I can't.

Would you? Sure. What do you need from me? Or is it more like a macro dosing style show where we just talk like the first hour? Yeah, you guys, hey, listen, I'm open to all possibilities. I think the more this man's on the podcast,

the better for us. I'm opening all possibilities. You know what I'm saying? I'm throwing out numbers like 100, like $100 million. That McAfee, he'd be cleaning them up. You just throwing out numbers like that? No, I said McAfee.

McAfee was on when we first walked on a bus. How'd you say crazy numbers to will? I'm like, bro, in three years we're going to be here. We're going to be here. You know what I mean? Can I be big, kid? Green fucking big. Can I get, there's just a slice of that?

You know, yeah, I got, you know, between curling. I mean, I could make the up, dude, curling in itself. That's a... Oh, yeah. How much longer is that bad? I know you got to go. It's the last question. Roll back question.

Roll back question right here. I have this Olympic cycle to make good on the bet. And you think you got a chance? Yes. Well, I'm all in. I am paying my teammates to live here in Nashville and curl full time. Curly doesn't bring in the greatest amount of sponsors. So I actually had some buddies that were going to help sponsor.

They've just never paid their check. So if they're out there listening, dude, write the check, bro. Also, Boston's always willing to sponsor an Olympic team. That's what I'm in. Like, come on. We can make it making money. We're not going to pay you nothing, but we'll buy the pennies. We could.

You never know. Perfect, dude. We could. Bags. Bags. Dude, if Barstle needs content, like, you know what I mean? Just throw. Buddy, we would.

The next Olympics. Just telling you. Do you really think you can be a rowback question? Do you really think you can do Matt Hamilton? If you're going to do row back question, you got to read the rowback thing. Do that? Can you pull that up, Jack? Pull the row back question up real quick.

Hey, you're going to see how good. I'm a pretty good reader. I have to read it. My daughter's class. Come on. Roadback question. I'm going to go. My daughter's class tomorrow.

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Everything was going so well as that last line. You were crushing it. I was crushing it, dude. Literally, I'm actually really proud of that. This is the robot question. Do you think you can truly beat the legend, Matt Hamilton, into getting the Olympics? Explain yourself.

100%. Well, first of all, I think I have ultimate faith in myself. Sound like Liver King when he said that. And I think, I don't know who that is, but hey, if he sounded like that, it's probably cool, dude. that yeah and I just think in a matter of time like we're all in I mean we curl every single day all but we have nothing do my team is what we do we curl I mean I got other things with the kids but every morning we're at the we're at T-line right here in Nashville just throwing stones like that lean that

Ben that oh yeah you do that swisher swisher uh well everybody sweeps everybody throws so I play second so I actually play Hamilton's position and I'll be playing them this weekend no where Minnesota. In Minnesota. He's in the opposing pool. If he's, well, I don't know if he's going to be there.

Schuster's going to be there. So Hamilton rotates with Colin Hoffman every once in a while. But, but I have to say, we're going to find out. Have you played against them yet? Yeah, my very first curling match was against Schuster and Hamilton, right?

My very first one, I could play the gold medalist. That's how ridiculous curling is. That a slub like me came off the street, paid my entry fee of $400. And I was going to go, curling against the gold medalist. How'd you do?

Oh, we lost misery, but, or miserably, but me and Matt had a side bet. So in curling, if you're losing bad enough, you'd just give up, right? Right. And my coach at the time, who was filling in for our other teammates was mad that he wanted us to give up. He threw, I actually played really well. He threw a piss poor shot. We gave up like five points, like the third aim when it was close. But I had like a six point cushion with the buses falling apart up here.

That's cool. That's how we roll, brother. It's an authentic, bro. That's all right. And so, yeah, me and Ham's curl had a freaking, uh, had a side bet, he gave me like X amount of points and we already knew we're gonna play it through. So I lost, I had to give him a jersey.

He's a Packer fan. He wanted a Carolina jersey, so I sent him a Minnesota jersey. And yeah, that's my guy. I like, I like that. We like to talk trash to each other. But yeah, if I didn't think I could beat him, then, you know, got to beat him at some point.

Otherwise, I'm going to welcham my bet. Yeah. I love that. When do we find out about that? I'll let you know with the bet. Yeah. Olympic trials in about three years. Love you looked at your not wash.

I wasn't there. Yep. Three years, too. We got three years. Busts with the boys. I'm betting on you. I'm betting on you. I love Matt Hamilton.

I love Matt Hamilton. I love Matt Hamilton. You bear no expense to make it happen. Oh, really? I won't. You'll get on PEDs? No, gosh, I get tested. I can't cheat.

You literally just said you do whatever it takes. Yeah. I'm not going to cheat. I'm not a cheater. I'm not a cheater. You're a cheater. I don't know how PD is going to help me in curling anyways?

You never know. blood doping, I guess. Why not? You blood dope to blood dope Yeah We appreciate having you on man It's been incredible And that's that's the goal

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