Bussin' With The Boys - Zac Brown Doesn’t Regret His Past + New 'Love & Fear' Album W/ Dolly Parton & Snoop Dogg | Bussin'

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

Recorded: September 25, 2025 Taylor Lewan and Will Compton are back for another episode of Bussin’ With The Boys. The Boys are back on the bus with country music legend and Zac Brown Band frontman, Zac Brown. From his rise in the Nashville scene to selling out stadiums worldwide, Zac takes us inside the journey of building one of the most successful bands in modern country music history. Will and Taylor get Zac talking about spear fishing, swimming with sharks, life on tour, his upcoming residency at The Sphere in Las Vegas, collaborating with Dolly Parton and Snoop Dogg on their new album ‘Love & Fear,’ and the business side of running a band, to the challenges of balancing fame with family. The Boys even dive into Zac’s passion for food, outdoor living, and how he keeps his creative spark alive after decades at the top. Whether you’re a country fan, a diehard Zac Brown Band listener, or just here for some all-time stories from the road, this one is loaded with wisdom, laughs, and the kind of storytelling only Zac Brown can deliver. Big hugs, tiny kisses. TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 1:58 Spooktober Is Here4:47 Titans Watch Party + Vegas This Weekend 6:59 Will Is In Hell8:36 Rules Of Spooktober12:13 #TierTalk25:14 Fresh Set Of Downs26:49 Chad Powers42:33 ZAC BROWN INTERVIEW STARTS43:38 Hobbies Outside Of Music1:05:12 Acting A Certain Way In The Music Industry 1:07:17 Being An Independent Music Artist1:09:01 "I Wanted To Make Music And Build A Camp"1:19:19 How Do Music Collabs Work?1:22:48 Was There A Moment When He Wanted To Stop?1:27:38 Advice To Young Artists 1:31:08 He Knows How To Put On A Show1:32:28 Decisions He Would Change 1:37:14 Power Of Saying No1:40:12 Residency At The Sphere1:41:41 Big UFC Guy1:49:27 Love And Fear Album1:51:46 Emotional Process Of Writing Music1:58:47 Song He Is Most Proud Of2:02:15 Bud Light: What Would You Do Anything For? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's time. It's ready. It's here. It is here. And I'm wearing the merch to show it off right now. Wednesday, 10 a.m. This merch drops right here. Got a hat, got this fun shirt.

Buddy, something about. getting all your decorations ready by middle of September and looking at it and being like I don't really want to look just yet because it's not time but I'm happy it's done because there's so much that goes on in the Lwan household about getting ready for the holiday season

it's a marathon not a spring this is the Olympics this is the torch being taken from one part of a country to another part of a country and the torch is being past and past this is the opening ceremony of the holiday season because if you look even if the even if you look at the weather

in Nashville. 80, 82, 83, spooktober. And now of a sudden, 70s, a couple of days where the lows are in the 50s? I heard there's a talk about some fog hitting up a little bit. The pumpkin-themed lattes and drinks coming out. Don't have to love them.

Don't have to love them. Get one because it's festive. And that's what you want to do. So for me, if I'm walking around and I'm feeling myself a little bit and I see the leaves are starting to drop and it's going to be a headache for the guys to have to rake those up in my yard.

I'm like, buddy, we're here. From this point, 24 hours from now, if it's Tuesday and you're sitting there being like, I'm so fucking fired up for Spook-Toper, we are too. Wednesday, from Wednesday to January 1st, nothing but excitement, nothing but a hope and opportunity. Your team loses, guess what? Pumpkin spice latte. Your team wins. Guess what?

Pumpkin spice latte. Get two of them. And then, listen. The 31st hits, Goals, Gobbles, Gobbles, and Spectres, they go down, they're now under six feet below. We'll see you next year type situation. Gobble, gobble, motherfucker, motherfucker, motherfucker, motherfucker, got some turkeys helmet up. All right? So from November 1 to that third weekend in November, that third Thursday in November, what are you doing?

Getting some lights up, trying to be a little bit more respectful to Thanksgiving, knowing it's there, but you're putting some lights up here and excited. And they have friends, families, loved ones, acquaintances coming over to your house. For what? Football and gaining weight. after that you spend the whole weekend doing what in leftovers because guess what sleeping diet doesn't count on holidays that's amazing you hit that Monday running guess who's holly and jolly everybody around doesn't matter what religion you are because you got a guy in the North Pole working his ass off about a billion elves up

there and eight reindeer's getting ready to get the fucking after it on to on December 24th so boys there's so much excitement and it starts on Wednesday it gets you going on Wednesday and that's what's exciting. And if you want more exciting news, we got a watch party to watch the O and four Titans take on the two and two Cardinals this weekend. Round of applause.

Round of applause. Yes, the Brooklyn Bowl. Brooklyn Bowl. And we're just getting more excited. Yeah, guess what? They suck. We're not good. We're not good.

Okay, got that out of the way. Let's rip the Band-Aid off. Titans are bad. Cardinals probably not a whole lot better. They got a lot of injuries going on as well. They just lost Thursday night football versus Seahawks. But we get to get together. Bring a pumpkin spice lot there.

What do you lean on when- Dress up? Why not? Yeah, why not? What do you lean on when the times are bad? Tell me. Vibes. What can you do? You can come to the Brooklyn Bowl

and bring some vibes. Bring some of that piss and vinegar that you're feeling inside. Get it out at the Brooklyn Bowl this Sunday with the boys. Oh, you live in Nashville and you're pissed off. There's traffic on Saturdays because Vanderbilt's good now, but on Sunday there's no traffic to be had because your Titans suck. Come get vibes.

Come get some vibes. Brooklyn Bowl. Yeah. Be in it. And guess what? Bring me a pumpkin spice latte. because I'll be exhausted. Because Friday morning, after a Thursday night stream in ESPN,

I'll be flying back from Vegas. Friday morning, 7.30 a.m. flight. We're out of there to the West. Why? Because, Daddy can't help it. It's been two months. I got to get the cards a little bit. Got a little power slap going. A little UFC 5 a.m. flight Sunday morning.

For what? To get back to the Brooklyn Bowl. Get back to the vibes. The watch party. And I know last time I went with Jared and everyone's like, is this now Jared's job or not Jacks? I'm taking them both. I'm taking them both. Vives will be high.

Doesn't make sense. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't, but I'm taking them both. We're going to have a great time. Great time. And it all starts because of Spooktober. Yeah. Yeah.

Dude, I'm excited for the weekend. Finally having like a little moment to breathe a little bit. Wifee and I were going to hit in a little staycation. Going to be getting a nap in. Oh. I'm going to be getting some mountain sessions in. Oh. Yeah.

Got somebody watching the kiddos, so she's gonna be me and the wifie. So Mountain or Mountain? Mounting. Mountain. Be doing something. Maybe both. Mountain.

Get the saddle out, honey. Get the saddle and the bridle out because it's going down. Yeah. Mountain. Oh, it's going to be nice. Got a little spa day lined up. Need that. Need it.

Got to have it. Need it. Especially with the back the way it's at right now. Yeah. Yeah. What's the game playing with the back? I am worried legitimately about the back. I don't know, man.

Pray. When you have nothing, what do you have? Prayer. Vibes in prayer. It's just moments that just, I don't know. I don't know. I truly don't. I just had a flashback to him screaming before the damn landing.

Ah! And I'm like, oh, he's about to drop a hammer on us. So what's about to happen? And it just pauses and sorry, my back. It's okay, man. You got a bad back. I find there's some spasms this week. I hope it's got to hope they just calm down, bro.

You know why Will's got a bad back? because he's got the whole state of Missouri on his back and he's got all of Nebraska Cornhuskers fan base on his back and he carries that torch week in and week out, month in and month out, year and year out. Eventually your back's going to give out a little bit. You say, as we're saying that, Sherm's typing up, get a masseuse in the office.

I do have somebody coming through this week. Just got to find the pocket of time that it's going to happen for some stretching and some work. For you or for the boys? For myself. What about a masseuse or a chiropractor during the filming of the locker in. I could hit up Dr. Foot.

See if he wants to come through, I guess, adjust the boys. Yeah. That'd be nice. I could always use a little adjustment. Yeah. Everybody can use some adjusting in their life, man. Everybody can need some deep tish. Some deep tish going on.

Just like Lamar Jackson needs some deep tish on that hamstring. Yeah, because he's got some soft tish right now. There could be a lot of new viewers tuned in right now wondering what are the rules of spooktober. Yeah. I know we'll be leaning heavy into Spooktober. This bus will be decked out with the theme. We're not quite there yet. Chomping at the bit.

There's hundreds of supplies outside of this bus right now waiting to flood in, but we got to give September it's due, knowing that we don't want to jump the gun a little bit. But if you want to dive into Spooktober, if you love Spook, you love the idea of the holiday season, everything we just painted for you. Here's a good way to start your 31 days of fright, right?

October, thing of the past. It's now referred to as Spooktober. Yes. That's number one. Now, this next one is going to be, be a bit of a deal, but if you time it out correctly, you have a good routine, you're going to be able to figure it out. Every day, just put something on a little spooky, okay? And it doesn't have to be a lot. You can go on YouTube and you can find yourself some fall night sounds as you go to sleep

and there's literally crackling a fire, a couple of coyotes or wolves in the background. Do something like that. If you want to go full into it, Conjuring's got a new movie out, weapons, that's a nice one. You can watch any type of spook you want, whether it's, you know, the B-rated movies that Delaney Walker likes, if it's rated R, PG-13, like the ring, or go ahead, this is like Nickelodeons. Some Disney Channel original movie,

hocus pocus-sist type of thing. As long as you are embracing 31 days of fright and spook-tober every single day, then you're going to get everything you need out of it. Third, and this is for you. It's not for me, this is for you. Make sure you take a little time, each week to do something festive because it's going to fly by we're going to get to january

march february and march where it's like depression season everyone's a little sad the weather break there's not a whole lot to look forward to so make go to go to a pumpkin patch get yourself that pumpkin spice latte hit a haunted house on friday my wife and i every friday in the fall when the opportunity presents itself she might be coming to Vegas with me as well we might hit ourselves a nice little haunted house in Vegas who knows Halloween activity and what's the last one will buy this book Tober merch at BWTB.com. That's right. That's per chat GPT.

Yeah. I asked it, hey, what are the rules of spooktober? I love that. Popped right up. Chat GBT, GBT, man. It's official. It's official. It's legit.

Yeah, I didn't even know they did that. But bwtb.com, I'm wearing a hat right now, Spooktober. I'm wearing a shirt right now at Spooktober. We got a bunch of shirts over there that I did on the football recap for Monday and picked up. I'm not going to pick it up this time because it's a little far. Yeah. It's a little far from me right now. We got some fun merch.

We got some fun merch. If you're a four of the dad's guy, if you're a PT6 individual, we got some cute, some cute ass stupor stuff. Yes. Big pup, little pup. We embraced it. We embraced it on our episode coming out as you're listening to this tomorrow morning. We embrace it a little bit.

We talked about the rules. I popped on the old Bane mask. Oh, did you? Yeah. Final phone, Willie. A couple of Bain lines in there. While we're here, let's check in on Will Compton's hairline. It's growing back fast.

A lot faster than I was. was hoping it's like a yard in the summer boys yep some patches of brown other than that yeah pretty green on the edges yeah it's not bad coming back strong beards coming back yeah you're starting to look normal again yeah might have to chop it back down what's that could be the new normal let's see how the huskers do this weekend no yeah Nebraska no yeah Nebraska beats Michigan State is it at Michigan State no it's at Nebraska oh you get that dub you might have to bick it again yeah might not everything's on the table everything's on the table.

Let's get into some tier talk. You guys have questions, comments, concerns. Use hashtag tier talk. We put it out every single week. Let's take a look at Shelby Rice. At Shelby S. Rice. If you could live in any TV or movie environment permanently, what would you choose?

That's a fantastic question. I wish I knew that question before we started the show because I want to take a minute. You could think about it. Live in any TV or movie environment permanently. What would you choose? Permanently. Permanently. you're you're stuck there

Harry Potter jumps out at me for Taylor I'm just saying it's a great one my kids are so about Harry Potter right now we are being Harry Potter for Halloween this year for whatever reason and I don't know why this popped in my head I'll finish my sentence later I feel like being in sky high would be kind of sick sky high

what is sky high Disney Channel original movie sky high just a high schooler like it's like a superhero all the high schoolers have high superpowers all right it's a fun question it's a fun question Jurassic Park comes to mind.

Yeah, nothing like running from prehistoric animals. But permanently, permanently, meaning we're not dying. 28 days later, that's pretty good to me too. You know, constantly fearing for your life. How about the quiet place?

We're not dying. Free willy. Lion King, do I get to be a lion? Yeah. Water buffering. That's a problem. I mean, you're just saying these movies and like they're real animals.

Like you do live in that world. Right. You live in the world. So if we're doing a little thing, give me the quiet place. Let me go sit there and silence west of my life. I'll learn sign language.

my kids See Quiet Place doesn't sound fun to me But Jurassic Park Does Jurassic Park sounds fun to me On an island And you're sitting there And you're in the environment You're in the movie now

And you just know everyone's like Look how amazing this is Oh pretty store Oh they're all gone But now we have them back And your thing yourself There's gonna be a problem I'm like oh will

You're an idiot There's no way You're gonna be able to do this And then all of a sudden A T-Rex Kills Your best friend Me

I'm there with you we're in there permanently, meaning we're not going to die. I don't think it works like that. You just said permanently, you're living in this world forever. Yeah, that is your new world. Your new world. It's your new world. You can die at any moment like in this world.

Bigger's cross. But I mean, like, knock on wood. Knock on wood. It is spooktober. What's a good vibe to live in? A good vibe. Did you see any Adam Sandler world? Yeah.

I was actually just thinking about Hubey Halloween. Yeah. Hubey Halloween be a great one, especially for Spooctober. Movies or TV show. What about Stranger thing? Entourage would be great. Stranger Things would be a vibe. That'd be creepy.

Yeah. I love how we're keeping it spooky in this situation, too. Let me do... If the Wednesday show, Tim Burton's Wednesday show is good. Well, Wednesday from the Adam's family? Yeah. Have y'all been watching that? No.

Y'all would love that. Really? What about haunting a house? Yeah, Will's always on haunting and Hillhouse, those types of shows. No? I wouldn't live in that one permanently. Oh, live in that one. But that's a great show.

Great show. scary you know what I've always kind of wanted to live through a zombie apocalypse kind of wanted like I've always wanted like how would I fare and hopefully they're like the walking not like the running kind of zombies not the I am legend zombie yeah then boys are way too intense for me but kind of going through the process of like walking dead yeah living in that world what about like the zombies from uh last of us those are scary yeah those are scary those are psychos how about uh zombie land got that cast of characters Let me get Woody Harrelson, live at the White House for a little bit, hang out. Smoke some cheats with him.

Live in the Anchorman world forever. That'd be fun. Be a fun movie to live in permanently. Taylor, I feel like it's kind of surprising you haven't said like wedding crashers or something along. See, I love that movie. And 25-year-old Taylor loves it. But like I'm also living, whatever movie or TV show, I'm going on,

I'm bringing my wife and kids. Yeah, but like your best friends with. I'm with you. Friday night internship internship internship would be fun working at Google

working at Google for a little bit literally if you want to know Will and I's life in an alternate university would probably be the internship and it'd be me as Vince Fawn and Will his own Wilson who Will kind of like figures it out

faster than me and I kind of let the team down a little bit and I got to study overnight to get it done but I don't click the button but then eventually hey we need Taylor for sales and I handle business and you have a

nice little Harry Potter reference with the quidditch match. Yeah. I think at the end of the day, if I could be a wizard, my kids would have so much more respect for me. I feel like that's the only answers. That might be the only answer. Living in a world forever, maybe how to train your dragon. Oh.

Can't die. Can't die. Got a dragon you're riding on. Well, have you seen all the movies? Yeah. So you don't have a dragon forever. Not forever, but eventually. Eventually you're just a Viking.

You're still in the world. True. That possibility is a thing. Game of Thrones, maybe trying to take over the seven kingdoms. Yeah, but you got the white walkers. Yeah, but maybe I'm a white walker.

That doesn't sound fun. Yeah, have you started Game of Thrones yet? I've seen two episodes. There's too many storylines. My brain couldn't handle it. Okay, okay. Couldn't handle it. Let's go to Mr. James at the Mr. James 8.

Friday Night Lights. Not a football take, but what is better? Southern hospitality or Midwest politeness. It's a great question. That is a good question. It's a great question. I thought to my wife about this the other day.

And I told her straight up, I was like, the older I get, I think the more I realize, the greatest place to raise a family might be the Midwest. It might be the Midwest. Something about just, you know, construction and winter are your seasons.

Keeping it simple. Kiss method always. Homegrown blue collar. something beautiful about that yeah something i don't need to add to it grew up a midwest boy midwest boy yeah i grew up out west didn't know didn't know some good people in the midwest good people out there where's the last place you would want to raise your family last place i want to raise my family L.A yeah i was born in sacramento Sacramento is a great spot new mexico new mexico yeah new mexico wouldn't be cool if you're

going to be in New Mexico, miles will go to Arizona. So much better. I meant more so, like, regionally. To raise my kids. I would venture to say the Northeast. I'd venture to say the Northwest. You know what I'm saying? No, I don't know.

I don't know. Northeast, I feel like you're just, especially in Jersey. Yeah, but I also think, like, think about Rhode Island. Think about Vermont. Think about Delaware. Like, those little kind of, like, small town, kind of fun, little like beach towns beach towns you have you have harsh winters but like your summers are beautiful man tucket kind of area it's like yeah a lot of money here but it's really cool have a good time

but i'm saying like you think jersey new york and like i have a bunch of friends from jersey new york so i'm not talking about these guys but like majority kind of dickheads and just do yeah i'd rather be northwest than northeast i also think there's a piece of me that's extremely curious about living in a major city like New York. Obviously, I'm at the point where I never will. But every time we fly to New York, I always walk around like, man, how do they do it? Like, this is so, everyone's on top of each other. I'm sure you get into a little routine, but I'm sure it could be fun too.

You know, ripping around, kind of staying in your little pocket the whole time venturing out every once in a while. See something like, oh, that's real cool. Now your pocket just got a little bit bigger. Everyone lives like. Yeah, but all those people, man. I'm with you. Talk with Jared Demon when y'all go to Vegas about, he, he, he has,

was a really good take, interesting take on New York City. He lived and worked there for... Jack lived in New York as well. McPherson? Yeah. Two different people. Two different people. Jared hates it.

Yeah. He takes you somebody who'd hate it. I think I'd align more with Jared too. Yeah. I think it would be really fun for like a quarter of the year. Yeah. Like go three months. Like, hey, you're going to be here for three months.

I think that's enough of a sample size to have fun and realize there's something at the end. Because I know a few people that live in New York that swear by it. This is the best. I love it. I would never leave. It's like, good on you. Good on you, man. I was there for three weeks working on a movie set.

And the, just the laundry situation was enough that I was like, I would never live here. I'd have to carry a duffel bag almost two blocks just to do my laundry. And people are like carrying their groceries home and shit. Oh, yeah. It was rough. Carrying your groceries home. Give me a yard. Some.

space. Yeah, but number one spot I wouldn't want to raise my kiss probably L.A. Would not? Would not? Out on L.A. Sitting out of San Diego. You can sell me on San Diego. Do you even need selling?

Taxes. Taxes and cost of living. That's the only thing really holding me back. For life. Buddy. Can't beat it. Incenitas. Locadia.

So nice. Delmar. Oh, not my real name. Here to see Will again. Not my real name. Hashtag tear talk. Compton calling you a fucking loser on a live stream good your idols becoming rivals good still buying merchandise to show them you can't be faced good love the show guys how

demoralizing was the news to Nebraska fans that Blake quorum is expecting a child Congratulations to Blake Port. Yeah. Friend of the show. Join him Papa Team 6. Friend of the show. Just accomplished Bud's training. Yeah, dude.

Shut up, Blake, man. Good kid, good guy. Seems like he's having himself a nice little. He's starting to figure himself out. The Rams a little bit. Have a good time. Splitting carries, but still having success. Love to see it.

Yeah. Love to see it. Josh Dorsey at J underscore Dorsey 3. Have you guys thought about taking your show? on the road and doing a live show with live audience. Man, what a thought, Josh. Hey, Will, for the bus and bull, where were we? We don't got to pat him on the head, man.

Where were we, Will? We were in Lincoln, Nebraska, doing a live show. Rooka Theater. How many people were there? Hundreds, thousands. 700 people. So, yeah, we thought about it, Josh. Yeah, our spring tour two years ago, that's what we did at every stop.

Yeah, every stop. Great time. A lot of live shows. Thank you for dropping a hashtag tier talk, Josh. KT at K Kyle, Tay Ehler, says what happens or is talked about in a player's only meeting? Hashtack tier talk. Let me break this down for you real quick, buddy. Unless Will you got anything?

They're kind of weird. Yeah. Players only meetings are kind of weird. It kind of depends on the situation. Honestly. To me, it's one guy gets up and talks. he's a captain and then there's five other captains who come up

and say the same thing the first captain said in their own words not a whole lot is thought out other than we got to get our shit right and there's never a player's only meeting when you're undefeated or doing well and it's like

if you're going to have those looking back on it's like guys let's kind of think about what we're going to say before we say it that's all I have yeah yeah no I second that it is how it feels a lot of the time. Unless you get them players-only meetings that happens

and somebody's just getting violent with the way that they're delivering their words. That's when it's kind of like a wait-meal call. Like London Fletcher one time, we had a, like, a player's-only meeting. And he was just getting after everybody. And it was kind of like, it felt like a real, a real players-only meeting. Ones that you would think about or speculate,

oh, man, they had a players-only meeting. I wonder what went down there. I can't remember which one of y' all said this, but it was such a fantastic quote. At every player's meeting, there's always that one guy that stands up to start talking and there's almost just an audible. Oh my God.

What is he doing? Just before you even starts talking. You look around. Oh shit, buckle in. It can be tough. Hashtag tier talk from Peyton underscore P.W. 13 underscore. Could Will and Taylor do a dog of the week segment where each of them picks a favorite picks a college football player

from their own position from any team? Would love to see Will juicing up some linebackers. we've never heard of. That would be fun, but you've got to pay a lot of money to get the rights to, like, footage, whether it be college or the NFL. We got a couple quotes. They are high.

They are expensive. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range. of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down, on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Well, that's lighting. They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears or tears of laughter, and dive into it, unfiltered and unbothered and ask, how hard can it be? I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of my Cultura podcast network available on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, we can do our new set of downs segment, first set of downs.

Which is very similar to what he just described. Right. Basically, fresh set of downs, a spotlighting somebody who's transfer, been in the transfer portal, wasn't playing well or wasn't getting enough work. They're buried in their depth chart a little bit. They ended up getting a, quote, fresh set of downs, going to a new team and have a lot of success. I think we're going to do this for the next few weeks. I actually love the idea, and our guy that we're going to highlight this week is Michigan's own Justice Hayes. Two years at Bama, he played 25 games.

He had 104 carries for 616 yards and 9 TDs. Decides, hey, that's not enough. He's splitting carries last year, Kailin DeBore's first year, comes to Michigan. I'm very excited about it. We get to learn about him and the way he operates,

how he attacks every single week. He's about sleep. He's about biohacking. He's about what he puts in his body. And it's shown quite a bit because in four games in Michigan, he's at 66 carries, 337 yards, 537 yards,

six touchdowns. He's got over 100 yards in every game and a TD this year so far. So, thank you, Alabama. We'll have another. right looking for him out there you got a couple of studs yeah I was watching Alabama Georgia kind of whispering over to GFITems I'll take that guy I'll take that guy like buddy you

you never have a shortage of talent with Alabama Crimson Tide I'm just lucky this guy's in the maze and blue right now he is incredible and like I know this guy Marshall we've Jordan Marshall we have we've had him you know he's homegrown Michigan boy but we got ourselves a nice little double-headed monster over there at the university of Michigan right now in the running game and they're coming along office line is getting a whole lot better which is awesome to see. So shout out Justice Hayes. Fresh set of downs.

Love it for the young man, man. That's awesome. We should do a different segment as well. A shout-out, no free shout-out. Shout-out. Shout-out. Shout-out. Shout-powers.

And I'm going to take a quick. I'm going to clap. I'm going to clap again. We're going to come back on our clothes. Oh, wow. Look at that. We've changed clothes already. If you're listening to an audio,

we are wearing Chad Powers 200 T-shirts. Will you look fantastic? Thank you. You look good as well. You look sharp. You look sharp. Hey, Chad Powers is funny. Yeah, so shout out Hulu, shout out Disney.

They have allowed us to see these episodes a little bit early. We've watched episodes one and two so far. And if you don't know anything about Chad Powers, here's basically the backstory on Chad Powers. Eli Manning had a segment called Eli's Places. He ended up going undercover, a bunch of makeup on, mole on the face, wig, walks into a trial, right? Was it a Penn State? Am I thinking about Penn State? Yeah.

Because he was doing a Penn State trial, obviously the coaching staff and everybody on the back end knew about it. He goes in and ends up dicing up or these other players who are a part of the trial are like, who the fuck is this guy? Turns out to be Eli Manning and in true Manning fashion. They see the opportunity. They end up making a show about it where Glenn Powell, he is the star of this show. And I love this segment of Eli Manning and going into it, full transparency, going into watching these episodes, I'm thinking to myself, how the fuck are they going to be able to go from, This guy's a studs. He's undercover now.

How's it all work? Seamless transition. Seamless. And you can tell me I can't give away any spoilers, correct? We can give away spoilers. We can give away episodes one and two are streaming now. Okay. We are going to give spoilers away.

So if you don't want spoilers, don't listen. Yeah, if you don't want spoilers, don't listen. The first episode, man, starts with a bang, right? This Chad Powers. What's his name in the show? Just to, uh, his name is Russ Holiday. Yes, sir. Just, it is a good show.

I share the same sentiment. It's kind of like, are they really just going to try and, like, beat a dead horse or force fetus of Chad Powers show? But it is funny. Yeah. It is funny. And it's got like, it's got very much, like, I don't know if it's Blue Mountain State I'm trying to look for right now, but there's a certain level of, like, adult humor that goes into it. Yeah. That, like, Glenn Powell does a great job of, like, transition.

Because here's what happens. First episode, shows this guy, Russ Holiday, you know, arrogant. Oregon Ducks quarterback. He's in the national championship. He runs on fourth and whatever. Puts those the ball down before the goal line, something we've seen all the time in the NFL now. And so it was a score,

but then it wasn't a score, they'd call it back and they end up losing the national championship game. He ends up swinging on a cat and knocks over a kid with cancer. And then it fast forwardes to eight years later. It's so funny. It is hilarious.

And fast forward. You're still my favorite player. Yeah. And that's like, hey, can you just take a picture with my kid? He goes, I don't give a shit about the kid. And it's like, it, dude, it's funny. And then he hits him and the dad falls into the kid. And they go in like, eight years later, he's like in L.A.

His dad is this like a makeup artist. Makeup artist, like this world renowned makeup artist, which really helps sell the point of him like transitioning into, you know, this like fake guy that he ends up going to a different school or whatever. But he has his XFL contract. Then all of a sudden there's an eight-year reunion of the callback of the him punching guy that falls into a kid with cancer. XFL pulls his contract and so he gets a wild hair up his ass and ends up the kid passes.

Oh. They announce like he's like he's getting this deal with the XFL. He's fired up. They're listening. Like all this stuff. Like the entertainment is pretty funny. And they're in this club. And then it's like he's going to the bathroom and he just sees this tweet put up like kid that, you know, what's his?

Russ Holiday. Russ Holiday is known for a kid passed away. Kid dies from cancer. And his agent drops him. And so he's trying to figure out what to do. He's at the lowest of lows. He's like all of us sitting there when the game's just over. If you like lose a state title or national championship,

he's like sitting in his room drinking, doing all these things. And he gets this wild hair. He sees this open tryout for Southern Georgia. Southern Georgia. Southern Georgia catfish. Yeah. And he just gets this wild hair to like, I'm going to go rejuvenate my career through like, you know,

going and walking on at this spot, like wearing makeup, using his dad's like tools, since he's a makeup artist for all these big Hollywood movies. And he starts like working out. And he gets another funny party when he's on this phone with his dad. He's like, dad, he's like, I got something kind of big that's coming. I think you'll be really proud of me. And his dad's like, did you just quote Armageddon to me?

Yeah, yeah. But, uh, he says, I worked on that movie, Jackass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And dude, it's, I encourage you all to watch it. It's a good watch. It's funny. it's well done like getting fowler and herb street in for calling the game when they're playing at oregon like you're always like anybody who like loves ball you're like weirdly uh with a critical

eye watching how they put together like plays that's happening like moments that's happening they do a real good job like you're watching it on tv but it's a good watch it's it is funny it is him trying to like find his voice right him trying to find his voice him trying to tell the story of where he's from ends up being from west virginia like hey we couldn't find a whole lot of film he was like yeah It was a wolf mating season and people were worried about. Did you ever play in a crowd? Oh, it depends. Depends on what.

He's like, wolves? Wolves. They come and get your babes. Yeah. People just would show up or not based on wolves. Just hilarious. And him going in and out of being Russ Holiday and Chad Powers is just fucking hilarious. Also, the thing I love to is this head coach for the Georgia State catfish.

He is, you can see a great story art coming with him. Yeah. The daughter of the head coach, there's a great story. I'm assuming it's going to be a love interest with Russ Holiday eventually. Yeah. But it's just like the show's good. And you know, like we both said it. No idea what to think.

But it is hilarious. And again, say it's Russ, what, Russ Holiday? Russ Holiday. He's like this douchebag, got this arrogance to him. You'll see it. And he like comes across this mascot. A mascot ends up spraying him with Mace because he thinks he's like a school shooter dressing his get up.

Yeah, yeah. They meet in this. mascot is trying to like he's kind of his like mentor in this hero's journey of trying to get him like hey leave the Russ holiday douchebaggery aside you have to create this new character if you're really going to sell yourself and be a leader of this team so Chad powers is really trying to battle with being a douchebag being this arrogant asshole because he he's not like the starting quarterback which is like a reality check for him and uh dude it's it's it's good man the backup quarterback is like my favorite he's my favorite character right now yeah he's funny man

He's like what I got here an hour or two before he gets some sprints in. He's like, oh, some punishment. He does, I love how the scene where he's walking with Chad Powers and he's like, hey, give us a minute. He's like, yes, sir. And just turns around sprints the other way. And then the coach's like walking off the field

and the quarterback starts running. He was like, oh, what the fuck? It's all scared of him. Dude, it's, it is funny. And with the makeup and the mask and the rubber and everything else. There's like moments with him like doctoring up towards like, you know, there's the fly on the inside. He's like, you've got to fly in your face.

And it's like crawling around. but also... It's brewing. It's brewing. Yeah. But since he's like, you know, since he's trying to immerse himself, like as a teammate, you can't get the mask in anything,

and everything wet. So, like, post practice when they're all showering and he's kind of sitting there and coaches asking why he's not getting the showers. He's like, oh, you know, my pee hole's too big. He's just like making up stories. Then they have this cookout, you know, with the team at the head coach's house

and they're doing like this water, water balloon fight. They're all in the pool. He never gets in the pool so they think he's weird for not getting in the pool. Then he does this water balloon fight and he's trying to get this water out of his mask

because the head coach wants to go see him. Then when the mask kind of breaks, he's like, are you crying? The mask kind of pops and it's watering everywhere. It's spewing out of his like cheeks. He just runs off. And he just takes off running out in the woods. He's like, I think he's just a man of the woods.

He's like, he's talking to his daughter. He's like, hey, he just ran in the woods. She's like, I think he just loves the woods. Yeah, I think he loves the woods. Because he shows up. Yeah, he's funny as hell. He shows up to the party like, you know, parking his Tesla like in the woods and then coming out of the woods.

She's like, did you just come out of the woods? If you think about it, we all came from the woods. Yeah. What the fuck? And then when he's talking to the, like the big booster, the gal in the kitchen, and he's like, I have to leave. I can't be within 100 feet of a female alone or something like that. It hurts my purity.

She's like, what the fuck? It is funny, man. Glenn Powell does a great job. These first two episodes, I'm excited to watch that third and fourth episode because it is quality, man. Quality stuff. Yeah, yeah. We feel good about it?

It's a good laugh. I'm watching it alone And I'm laughing out loud At some of the one-liners he comes up with Where he's like What do he say? He was like, I just,

Where he's like, Just flesh They're like asking him If he's like a A male or female Or something like that He has this line like it's just Just being flesh

What does he say? I don't know I got to write these one-liners down It's good But Hulu's Chad Powers Will premiere Tuesday September 30th With a two episode long

launched new episodes, stream weekly on Tuesdays. So if you're watching this show now at 6 a.m., just know it's out there right now. Hopefully we wouldn't spoil it too much for you since we just told you the whole entire first two episodes. Yeah. How old are you? How old are anybody? COVID. COVID, you're not COVID.

You know, I'm old enough but not and still young enough, you know. Oh, the COVID years. Who know? When he said with, when he's sitting with the coach. You know, no, no, no. Yeah. When he's sitting with the coach at the dock, before the coach tells him. he's going to be the backup quarterback and he's like,

you know what's really hurt? I had a bunch of heart issues. You know what the problem was? He goes, the vaccine? He goes, no. Well, maybe.

And it's so funny, too, because this Russ Holiday guys, big conspiracy theorists, like big douche. Like, it's so funny, man. It is,

it is hilarious. And when does it drop this Wednesday? Yeah, it's out Tuesday. It's out tomorrow. Oh, technically. As people are listening, it's out right now.

So, yeah. Oh, I'm watching that. Buddy, you will love it. Yeah. You will love it. It's, yeah, it's Blue Mountain State. It's Shoresy.

It's, like, kind of got all this, like. You have to watch, you because you'll remember all these one-liers and quotes that we're talking about. Yeah, you will appreciate it. Hey, the backup cue actually gives me a shirn vibe. Is that the guy that ran away? Yeah. Sprint. He's just happy, go lucky.

Yeah, when they're sitting there, they're like, yeah. The wide receiver. Brother and Christ, he goes to check his hand. That's the number one of our receiver. Yeah, we have a really good relationship. And then the wide receiver's, like, give them the pussy sign. He's like that. He's calling you a pussy.

I think he, he thinks I get a lot of pussy. Yeah. They talk about him swimming and he just does like a back dive into the water. Yeah. Yeah. What is he saying? Like,

he's like, that's true. It does like a back flop and do it. Does ultimate optimist guy, nothing phases him. When he fucking steals the balloon and starts dicing up everybody in the water balloon fight, then he goes suck my clipboard bitch on top of your back of quarterback. It's fucking good, man.

It's good. That is, you know what? Let's go back to our regular outfits. We're back. A couple more tier talks. We'll be on our way to Zach Brought. Let's do one or two more. This is D3 WalkOn at ZT-37-58.

Hashtyir-Talk is getting that first loss early in the season. Benefit a program. Look at Alabama since Florida State. Yeah, I mean, Josh Pate brought this up on the locker room this past week, which comes out every Wednesday at 6 p.m. The college football edition. And he says, When you get an early loss, it gives you a chance to course correct.

Taste your own blood. Taste your own blood. Understand you're not invincible. So when you get later in the season, you have these big games. You know what it's like to hurt so it keeps you moving forward. So I think that was a big dub for Alabama early in the season. It catch that L early so you can keep moving forward now because they seem like the team to beat in the SEC. And watch you slowly but surely watch Notre Dame start to climb the polls one week at a time.

Two losses early. Started 0 and 2 still in AP top 25. What is Sherm saying here? Just chime in. Sheram, you have something to say. Sometimes you can just chime in. Right, especially on Tuesdays. It helps with the CFP rankings.

I feel like the CFP commission, the voters, they usually tend to forget about those week one, week two, week three losses. Yeah, 1,000%. Absolutely. Seems like they forget to watch a lot of football games too. that yeah yeah um want to do one more that was it that was it there we go what's all we needed awesome guys once again titans watch party this weekend at brooklyn bowl that i'll be taking place while the oh and four titans take on the two and two Arizona cardinals i'm going to

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Hey, listen, you came in bearing gifts. I found out you're a blacksmith. Yes, sir. What is, like, we can get into music. We'll talk about all that, but I want to talk about your hobbies right now. Okay. I came in with this cool case, floats, plays music. Holden keeps your phone nice.

Yeah. But then you started putting out this little blade on me right now. Yeah, what is this device? Yeah, so this is a Demerbox. So the guy James Deamer worked on the set of the show Survivor, and he had to carry Pelican cases to keep all this stuff dry because it's humid and wet and all that. And then he installed speakers in it. So then he started making some of these and putting them on Amazon. Well, I got a hold of it.

And I was like, dude, this is such a problem solver for me. Because I do some pretty high adventure. You know, I spearfishing is my favorite thing in the world to do. A free dive, spearfish, I bow hunt. a lot of the adventures that I go on and do, I need something to keep all my gear safe, even going to the beach, like riding. So this is a 40-hour Bluetooth speaker.

It's loud. It's like a base cabinet. And then when you open it, it's a legit Pelican case. It's got a purge valve, so it doesn't lock down if you fly with it and get air trapped in it. It's got a phone charger on the inside. You take this plug and put it in the lid,

and now it's fully waterproof, and you can float it down the river with you and play your tunes. Or you can use as a predator call box. Like if you're up in a stand, you can put this 100 feet away in the woods and have a rabbit call or coyote call or something. So much more of a man than us. So we know about some rabbit calls. We know about some rabbit calls. Yeah.

Have you, so big spearfishman? Yes, that's my favorite. That is unbelievable. Favorite thing in the world to do. A question I have with that. How long can you hold your breath? That was going to be the question. I was going to go to, yeah.

437 is the best static. Just sitting still, you know. Prove it. But I can show you in 10 minutes how you can do it. in 10 minutes how you can double your breath hold? Really? How you show you 10 minutes? Is it like the hyperventilating?

You got to like hold the wind hoff with it. Yeah. Brian Peters was doing it that one time when we were doing a little pool thing at your house. Well, he's proven that you can control your, uh, your, even your hormone release in your, in your body with your breath. But the average amount of oxygen people generally hold is not a lot compared to people that had to forage and run around climate mountains every day for survival. So, um, it's interesting.

I've been going the last 10 years with people that are some of the best spear fishermen in the world, like my boy, Justin Lee and Cameron Kirkconnell, I learn how to breathe the right way. And it's actually the opposite. So if you hyperventilate, your heart rate spikes. It goes crazy. So you're burning up all your oxygen. So you do the opposite of that. You do these half breaths with long exhales, like 10 second exhales.

And if you can't sleep or you're like trying to go down, you got to wind down and get to bed or whatever, do 10 of these breaths when you're about to go to sleep and you can feel your whole. body start to like melt and relax. And while you're hunting, you want to have your heart rate as low as possible. When you find something that you want to dive for, then you do three loading breaths, which is your hyperventilation, and then you do a normal breath, and then you do a super breath, which most people don't know how to breathe out of their diaphragm. Everybody breathes through, and your lungs are shaped like a triangle, right?

The most volume is at the bottom. So the biggest volume in your lungs when you breathe in is right here. If you put your hand, put your hand on your belly. Now pretend there's a balloon going to don't lift your chest. when you breathe in, just fill up this bottom, which is where the most volume is. So when you inhale, fill up that, just that balloon. Don't let your shoulders come up. Everybody breathes with this top part of their lungs, and that's where you got the least

amount of volume. Yep. So you do that while you're cruising. Your heart rate's low. You're melting in the water, super efficient. Then you get there, three loading breaths, which is just like that, and then regular breath, and then you do a triple, which is diaphragm, chest. and throat and then you go down and then after you've done your breathe up which is just like those

half breathes chilling on top when you go down you got twice the bottom time that you normally would have so I did it wrong for 10 years and I started going with people that know how to do it it's like somebody handing a golf club and being like smack the ball like unless you have mechanics and somebody to show you how to do it you're it's not relaxing at all to try to hit golf balls and you don't know how to hit a golf ball how do you get into something like this I went the first time in the Bahamas um with a bohemian guy there and just fell in love with it like I just love I love the challenge physically you sleep like a baby after you die for a whole day and swimming but you're challenging the ocean you're challenging the camouflage

and the fish you're challenging your breath and when you get something nice it's like you did it and it's only shooting things you can eat so you're getting out in the morning and you're going out and you're shooting your dinner and you know food for the next few days or making suviche on the boat or whatever it is but I love like I love making people feel good I love entertaining people But I recharge and my lady calls it it's too peopley in there. And sometimes I got to just go out and be in the wild. And when I'm spearfishing, there's nothing else in my brain. There's no chatter except exactly what's in the moment right there.

And every time I go, I see something in the ocean I've never seen before. It is another universe down there. That's terrifying. Yeah. Have you ever been in danger? That's you. What is that? That's a dog tooth tuna.

A dog tooth tuna. Yeah. So that's the first time. You weren't scared when you saw that. That was in Fiji. You know, I was stoked when I saw that. That's what I was after. You saw that and you got hyped up.

Oh, my God. I'm like Jesus, dude. I'm walking on water. I'm getting out of there. Yeah, and this was more recently. But, um. Now what about sharks? They're there all the time.

And you always see the spear fishing videos where guys go down there, they get themselves and fish. You can hear them be stoked. And they're kind of reeling it in. And then this is a little blackfin fellow. You battle them for, um, for the fish sometimes. And it's not intuitive, but as soon as you get the fish to your body and like claim it, they'll turn.

But you don't want to be holding the fish out because it'll eat your hand and the fish at the same time trying to eat the fish. When the visibility is good, sharks know the deal. And this is not spearfish in places where they eat people our size or eat sea lions or things our size. Now, that's a different thing. But most of the places that we go, they're just after the fish or they're after the chum that we're throwing.

Like when we're fishing for those big dog tooth tuna, that's a Spanish mackerel on the left side right there that I'm holding up. But, you know, you read the shark's language. They're like a dog, right? You walk in a yard, you can read the language of a dog. If they're kind of staring at you and they're like, you can tell by looking at them. I mean, we swim with them every time. This was just a month or so ago.

That is a monster, Kubara. A cubara. Cubera snapper. And those things. That's a monster. And if Bahamas, you can't use a spear gun. You have to use a spear. So you have to use a nine foot spear that has a rubber band on the back of it.

And you have to swim down and get close enough while it's loaded and swim under rocks and rustle a nine-foot pole into the rocks and try to shoot things like that. While you're holding your breath. While you're holding your breath. So you have a weight belt, you have a mask and a snorkel and a knife, and then either have a pole spear if you're in Bahamas or you have a spear gun, which is all preloaded. So all the tension's not on your hand when you swim down. So a gun, you just reach out and you can shoot.

Sometimes you have a reel on your gun if you're shooting things that are 20, 30 pounds, you know, you can get that in with, you know, by hand. If you're shooting monsters like that dog tooth tuna, your shaft is attached to to a float line to a buoy. So you shoot the fish and you're not attached to it anymore. And then you have to chase it down before the sharks get it. Pull it up high enough. Sometimes take a second gun.

Before the sharks get it. Yeah. That's nuts. So is it when you're shooting a fish? Is it kind of like when you go deer hunting and you're like, hey, you want to aim for that little like shoulder piece right there with the hardest? Get behind them. Yeah.

If you can break their spine, it's, it stones them. So that's what you want. I've had situations where I'm 65 feet down. the bottom of radio tower. I shoot a permit, the biggest permit I've ever seen in my life. Can we pull up a permit? Because it sounds like you have to get from the city council.

I can show you a picture right here. This is, uh, these are big fellas? They're not normal. This was a 60 pounder. I've never heard anyone catching one on a line that was over like 35, 40 pounds.

But just, just a monster. But, but this one, this one almost drowned me. I hit him a little low. But this thing's about that wide. They're kind of like a pit bull.

Yeah. Like in the water. That's a big boy. Yeah, it's a thick boy right there. That's a thick little boy. I hit him low. I'm 65 feet down. I shoot him.

He takes off one way, ripping line off my reel. I'm trying to swim up. I need breath. I'm like, at the, you have about 45 seconds after you feel uncomfortable to get air and you know you're still safe. So you just mentally have to block it out. Same thing when you're training or when you're whatever. Like you got to just like rip through. You know you're going to be okay.

So I get up about 10 feet from the surface and I can see it and I need air. Well, the line on my reel was gone. and he snatched me back down 20 feet. And then I start snatching the reel, he's either going to break out. He's either going to rip out of him or he's going to turn. So I rip it a few times and he turns. And so I get up and I get a breath as soon as I get a breath,

he pulls me back down again. And you have to clear your ears in the middle of it too because they pull you down deep. So that one was a wild one. My buddy jumped in. He was trying to help. He was holding. I mean, I probably just let go.

Yeah, why don't you just let go? Yeah. But it is the most, if you've never been spearfishing, Bahamas is the best place to, learn it's crystal clear 20 30 feet of water you can shoot amazing lobsters snapper grouper it's i'm telling you it's another world it's hunting and fishing and physical that's a big lobster it's a big ass lobster that was in bahamas is that so the the story you just told us is that like the scariest experience you've had in the water um no actually the scariest ones that i've had have been

using a scuba tank i had emergency service from 120 feet somebody else's gear on their boat they had I'm down there and all of a sudden I've been down like five minutes. It was an 18 minute dive. So I wasn't hawking the gauges like looking at them every two minutes because I'd been, been down long. But I see this huge snapper. And I'm going down. I was at 100 and I went down to 120 chasing this snapper.

And it was like I was breathing out of a coffee straw. The air starts because you have to continually breathe in scuba. So you're constantly making bubbles, which is not great camouflage, which is why free diving is the way to do it. So why do you have to continually breathe with a scuba tank? Because you're really compressed air. And so if you change your, your atmosphere, you go down from 15 to 25 is a different atmosphere.

So when you go down, it compresses the air down and you're breathing it compressed already. So you constantly have to flow and breathe. You never stop your breathing. That's why there's always bubbles coming out when you're scuba diving. But if somebody's in the boat up top, the guy was up at the boat up top, the guy was diving with, he had a bunch of floats on his chest. And he would, if you shoot a fish, you tie the float to it, you blow it up and send the fish up to the top.

And the guy in the boat picks the fish up. and he's following our bubbles. He can see where we are. Well, I was down five minutes. I was out of air. I looked down and my gauge is red. So something that was wrong. The gauge was wrong. The tank wasn't full. It said it was. I was I was 120 feet down. I swim 20 feet up to where my buddy was. He had all those floats on his vest. I'm trying to get to his octopus, his secondary air to grab it and breathe. But when I made it to him, I was already out of air. So I tried to wrestle with it and get that off. What I should have done is taking his out of his mouth and us trade breaths, go up to 25 feet, decompressed. there for three or four minutes and then go. So I knew that all the air that was in my lungs was going to be expanding, expanding as I went up. So I had emergency service from 100 feet. And I blew up my BC as far as I could.

And the whole way up, I'm just blowing out as hard as I can. Just the guy running the boat at the top sees me come up and like breached the top of the water and was like, oh shit. I didn't get the bins, thank God. What's the bends? The bends is when you have to be put in a decompression chamber and breathe pure oxygen afterwards to decompress your body. You can really mess your brain up.

No way. So I don't scuba anymore. That was it. That's how you packed it up. I've had one time when I was spear fishing, I got washed out past a reef. These big roller waves came in and the boat we came out on couldn't get to us. And so for an hour, I'm just treading water. I dumped my weight belt, just threw it off and I'm just cruising on top of the water,

which I'm comfortable doing. But the little guy that was with me was from Belize, he was kind of a heavy guy, but he could swim. And he was out, he was screaming and waving his gun and trying to do whatever. And I was like, oh, shit. So I dropped my weight. And I just cruising on top. And an hour later, the waves settled down and the little panga could get out through the reef to get out to where we were again.

But that was one of the moments where I was like maybe, this may be like five, six hours that I have to just maintain and chill and wait for the tide to turn and be able to make it swim back in. Buddy. I mean, I go in my pool and it's eight feet deep. I can't, I can't, you know. I see it are popping I mean J.P. Make fun of me. I'll be trying to tread water

and I just can't do it. I'll just sink. Spear fishing is the most fun anything I've ever done. I'm telling you. You should go sometime. Bahamas is the best place to go. I got a boat there.

If you guys ever want to go Bahamas, I can take you. Okay. I mean, yeah. I mean, we've just met and you're already inviting us out on a nice excursion. Yeah, man.

I'm telling you. Well, his boy built my house. Matt? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was our builder for the house we're currently in. Oh, no shit. We were actually his first house

that I think it was him and his dad. But during COVID, he just did a little side project since nobody was playing a whole lot. But yeah, what does he do? Is he a guitar? He's my bass player. Yeah, bass player. Yeah. But yeah, very detailed individual.

Oh, my God. Very detailed. He's a builder. Yeah. His dad's a builder. And Matt, I've got two like Berkeley nerds in my band. I've got him and Clay Cook. And so they quantize it all.

They tell me what the math is. I create something. And then they make a chart of what it is so everybody else can play. it and learn it or whatever it is. Oh, no shit. But I'm not the, that'd be like your offense coordinator or defense coordinator, whoever's just like strategy wise. Because when I create something, I don't want to think about the math.

You can break anything into math. But I want to make it based on the way I feel and the way it makes me feel and maybe the way it makes somebody else feel. And then they quantize it. Matt can listen to a song, no matter how long it is, one listen to the song and write a musical chart of all the notes and the timing of the whole song while he's listening to it. No way.

So Matt, Matt's like a wizard. He is thorough. Yeah. He's like sitting there breaking down everything. He's got his little handbook and everything else. I was like, buddy, can I just, I'll just live in the house. And then when something happens, I'll just let you know. You know, I'm kind of giving him the mouth open as I'm staring at him.

Yeah, and he knows he's so passionate about whatever he's telling you too. God. And it was his first one. So he's on it, bro. Yeah. He's on it. So we're into spear fishing. What, uh, do we hunter?

Time out, time out. Have you swam with orcas? I've been in the water with him. I haven't gotten to really have a great close-up encounter. But in Alaska, I've got a place in Alaska, and they're out in the bay all the time. So we spearfish there. And so we've seen a glimpse of them, but never gotten to just like fully see them. Swimming whale sharks, to swim with pilot whales, lots of different things.

They're the baddest machine. They're the badest machine. That's a box. It's a bad. That's where they just play with things. It's like a toy. You know, I've said it a lot. I had the free, you know, free willy, grew up on free willy.

I had the little compass held it near and due to my heart for the longest time. What happened to that compass? I think we just moved and I lost it. I grew up a little bit. Yeah. You know what I mean? Never too much though because you break it out. Yeah.

You realize the compass is just, you know, just that. Yeah. I ain't going to find a whale with this. But those places you can go swim with them too. I know. I want too badly. Iceland you can do it too. Yeah.

They all spearfish halibut there too in those places too. Same as Alaska. I need to get out to Iceland. My wife when we first met. She was like, whoever I marry, whoever I'm with for the rest of my life, I want to go to Iceland with them. And I was like, oh, yeah, we're going to go to Iceland. We've been married for almost 10 years. Oh, amazing.

Still have not gone to Iceland. It's coming, though. Can I check that box? 10 year anniversary comes up in April. I was just in Greenland about a month ago. Yeah? Yeah. How was that?

Yeah, I'm sure you travel. Where are your favorite places you've ever been to? And Alaska is one of them. Have you been to Alaska? No. I think the scale of Alaska is so much bigger than anything else. And just it's the wild. I've got a boat there and you can go off and lower the front gate, it extends over,

and you can just walk off and go anywhere you want to go. But there's a frequency in Alaska that I've never found anywhere else. And July and August and Homer is the greatest. It's 60, 65 degrees every day. It's sunny, world-class fishing, world-class hunting. It is. But beauty-wise, the view from my porch is the greatest view I've ever seen anywhere. You spend every summer up there?

I spend my summers working my ass off. So my goal is to get to where I can be up there more often. Yeah. Dude. Are you a big hunter? Yeah, I've been hunting my whole life. My dad was taking me, you know, deer hunting and hunting birds and squirrels. What's your favorite type of hunting?

I love the bow hunt. This is my favorite because you're in their environment. You're playing the wind and your scent and the camo and the environment and sneaking up. Hunting for me, the greatest 90% of hunting, why I love it is not harvesting the animal. It's because it pushes you out into the wild where you never go. And the amount of sunrises and sunsets that I've seen bow hunting, I can't imagine what my life would be like without having that in my life. It's spiritual and it's primal and you're hunting things that you can eat or that if you're in another country, sometimes the things that

you shoot there, the villagers get to eat it. So you're feeding their families or your own. And And it's, I can't really explain, but being connected to nature and walking places that people don't walk. Like you're not on a trail that's on your map guide on your phone, you know, an app on your phone. You're truly just pushing into the wilderness into the wild. And yeah, that's on my boat in Alaska. What's the hardest hunt that you've been on? Or the hardest animal two hunt when it's pushing out of the wild that far. The sheep, sheep are the hardest because, you.

You know, they're so far out there. I had a huge awakening. I was in Kyrgyzstan, hunting Argali, which are the big sheep that live there, like 500 pounds. You're in Kyrgyzstan? Kyrgyzstan. Kyrgyzstan. Argali. Okay.

Geographically, where is that? It's between China and Mongolia. Gotcha. And it's like home of the shaman, like, land. It's like shaman land. But you're on a horse, you're on a horse that's pretty small. Like it's ever imagined. It's like a scene in a, in Zoolander.

Yeah. You know, I was out in our, where were you at? Yeah, in Kyrgyzstan. Yeah, Kyrgyzstan hunting our galley. But a lot of people don't, a lot of people don't understand the conservation part of hunting as well, because the hunters that pay big money to get tags for things is paying the people that are there protecting the herds of the species and managing them and making sure that they're going to be around forever.

So people are like, oh, he's just a murderer and whatever it is. It's like, when's the last time you gave 300 grand in a year to conserving populations of animal and helping them like making sure they're always there yeah you know they manage quotas of them they they they check the predator to to prey ratio and those things if there's too many predators they'll put the predators you know on a list and sell tags make 30 grand a pop on selling the hunts for those so that they can keep everything in balance i know in africa the poachers slayed everything there's four percent of africa that's under conservation that have healthy herds of animals that are there and it's because of the hunters that go there

The hunters pay for it. Like when you heard it, you heard about Cecil the lion, right? Yeah. There was a very photographed lion that a hunter shot. So they banned lion hunting in that entire area. So then there was no money coming in from the abundance of lions that were there from tags anymore. So all the farmers that live there, they tolerate the lions eating their goats and their sheep and their things like that because they were getting a cut of the conservation. So when they banned lion hunting, the lions just poisoned all the lions killed every one of them.

No shit. And so people think they're solving it by one way of getting what they want, but the result is actually way more horrible than having someone manage it and make sure there's a healthy population of lions always there. But poachers come in and sell, just trying to feed their families, you know, killing things. And people that I've seen do it really well, they're conservationists. They come in, they'd hire all the poachers. And they run them through a two-year ranger school and teach them how to protect the animals and how to look for people because they're the best hunters in the world. these people that come from the bush in Africa and they can hide in a bush right next to where you are. You have no idea that they're there.

They'll set 20 snares to get one animal. The first animal that gets caught, they'd take it and sell it to somebody that's trying to buy parts off the animal or something like that. And then the other 20 animals just get snared and die. No purpose whatsoever. So there's always a huge conversation. It's always polarizing. And I haven't really talked about my hunting life just because I've got fans that are. super left and super right and I always wanted my music to be something that brought people together

of all the backgrounds. Everybody buys Jordan's, Democrats and Republicans. So I have like a stance exactly. Exactly. So I don't talk about my politics. I don't talk about those things. I haven't really talked about my hunting, but what it's added to my life and just for my peace of mind and being able to be out in the wild. And there's lots of hunts that you go on. You don't get anything, except the experience of catching every sunrise and every sunset and being in that environment of being in the wild. Like, it just helps return me to just be in Alaska and the ocean and hunting. All of that makes me feel small in the best possible way.

Yeah. Like, it's the greatest. You brought up an interesting point about, like, people have different views. Like, you have a lot of different fans that both sit on the left and the right. When you were coming up through the ranks and, like, gaining all this traction, having all these singles, these Grammys and stuff like that. Was there ever a time that maybe someone part of your team tried to get you to act a certain way because they wanted to make sure you were unscathed from one side or the other?

I think that was more of my initiative that was there. And most of the people, like now we don't have a management company. Like we have our managers in-house. We're not with a label. We're all independent. So I know when I'm dealing with people and partners and sponsors, whoever, I know how those people are treated. They're representing me. And I can say, I can vouch and know how that they're going to handle people in situations

and things. but I think you've got to be really careful. I never wanted to be a celebrity and get to like and try to just be a celebrity. Like I wanted people to know me through music. So when I'm on a stage, I like attention because that's what I'm doing. I'm trying to be there to move them for that night and inspire them and help them have a great night. But otherwise in my private life,

I just try to live my life, raise my kids. I got five kids. I got four girls and a boy. My girls are 14. One number of that boy come in. He's last. That boy, he finally give us hope a little. He's 11. Four girls and then the boy. He's 11, but my girls were 14, 16, 17, 18.

Ooh. He's in it right now. No, it was. It's awesome, dude. I love my girls. I love them. And it's like anything. But half of my life as opposed to a lot of people and artists that don't have kids or whatever. But I have my kids half the time. And when I have them, that's my 100% focus. I'm their bitch. I'm all the games, all the things. And I want to do that. I don't want to look back and miss out on those things. You know, I make a lot of sacrifices to do what I do. But that eats up half my time. And in the weeks that I don't have them, I can work, I can adventure. I can refill my cup and detox from all the stuff, man. You know, try to be creative. Yeah. But being the business leader and being a creative or hard hand in hand, because you can be consumed by all the fires of all the stuff you have to deal with all the time. Right.

Independence. That seems like a rare thing in your industry. Was it always that way or did you, was there like a break? No, I had management early on. I had labels early on and all of that. And it was necessary at the time. And then as you get your own machine going and figuring it out, it's like you look at it. And you're also competing with other people.

Like if you're with a management company, they have 20 acts. Right. So you're competing for attention with everything else that's going on with the other people that they have. And for a lot of people that don't really have a left brain. They aren't really business centered or whatever. Like they need that. Like I need a business manager. I was terrible at paying my bills.

Like not because I couldn't figure out to make the money. just because putting us, I mean, back then we didn't have auto pay. We had to like put a stamp on a check and put it in the mail. And I was allergic to that. Like, I don't know why. But I would drive to the place to pay my power bill. Like drive over there and like give them a check. I don't know what my mental block.

But as soon as I had somebody, soon as I could afford to have somebody that was like paying my bills for me, that helped me a lot in my life. So I'm definitely, I'm good at what I'm good at, but there's things that I'm awful at. And I got to have my team to back me up on those things. Yeah, isn't it funny how like you can do some of the hardest things that most people can't do? But when it comes to the most simplistic things, because we're the same way. Just do it. Don't speak for yourself, man.

I am that way too, but speak for yourself. Okay, I will speak for myself. They're the basics I can barely do. I can barely do the basics. So I'm with you. And I told Kendra when we got together like, look, I'm good at some things. There's some things I'm like, I'm special. Yeah.

You know, like, I'm special. And she's like, no, you're not. You're whatever. And now she's like, you're whatever. And now she's like, I told you. I never, I'm trying to hide it. I'm still on my family plan from high school. Yeah.

My phone bill. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a podcast. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about,

what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano,

and our podcast, Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves,

I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think, Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Obviously, you've had a bunch of success. Like in the beginning, though, like, how long did it take you from at the start of like, okay, I want to be an artist?

I want to do music too. Okay, this is my big break. So I was 14. I know I want to play music professionally. I know I want to build a camp. Those are the two things that were most important to me. Build a camp. Is this the hunting?

Camp Southern Ground. No, no. We built a campus like a university. level campus where we serve kids and veterans. Okay. And that's in Georgia. 14 years old. 14.

I want to do that. I want to do that. I worked at camp. I was a counselor, product of camp. And then I worked at staff for three years after that, living there all summer. Kids that don't have any mentorship in their areas where they are, if you dip them in the right environment for a week and let them show them a different way. Like, it's cool because the camps that I worked out in my camp now is a diversity model.

So we've got kids that are on the spectrum. kids from underserved areas, kids from military families that might have lost their parent or parent was dismembered or taken their life. And then you have kids, mainstream kids that might not know how to appreciate anything they have. They're just like spoiled and have everything, but don't have any perspective. But when you take everybody in that group, all of them are in the same group together, running for a week together, having to overcome things, having to learn about people that are different than them. It can change the trajectory of their life entirely in a week. So I was a product of that. Camp opened my eyes and made me want to be courageous.

I went to public school. So if you got up and sang something or did a skid or something in public school in front of kids, you're going to get roasted a lot. It's all for roast. Sixth grade is the most brutal thing in the world. So camp was the place that was like safe to like be yourself and do that. And a lot of the things that I'm not afraid to do things. Like I'm not afraid. What if someone thinks this? Well, that's not my problem. Like people are going to hate anything you do. When I first started building the camp, we had a huge public hearing because we were going to have dwellings on the property. We had people throwing vegetables at people that worked at the camp, trying to knock on the door, telling them what we were building close by and things. People were up at arms and like trying to figure out what nefarious reason I would be like building a camp. They're like afraid I was going to build subsidized housing and stuff like that. But it doesn't matter what you do in this world. It's because we hear the voices of so many idiots.

if we were in a tribe, if we live in a tribe of people, if you couldn't hear what someone was saying over earshot, you're not supposed to be able to hear what they have to say. Right. Nor have they earned the right or respect or any accomplishment in their life where I might even want to listen to something that they would say. But we live in a world where you're in kids, I can't imagine kids having to make it through and figure out who they are because if you don't really pay attention, the devices in the Internet will raise your children. Yeah. If you're not there to know who they are and what they're becoming. and the things they have to deal with these days compared to, I used to have to break in my parents' room,

break in a dresser, break in a box to get a dirty magazine. Yeah. And now kids with an unlocked phone can, yeah, can watch Becciality with whatever they, like, get a hold of, like the innocence is gone.

One kid with an unlocked phone, like, hey, look at this. And it's like, God knows what. That's how it started for me. Not bestiality, but the unlocked phone. Yeah.

Or you have that old sidekick and they flipped the open on, I was like, what we got here? I was like in eighth grade. It's a weird time. Like find ways around everything. It's like, remember when you could like jailbreak your iPhone. Like yeah,

you can get away with pretty much anything. Yeah. It's wild and they know so much about it and they're so savvy. Like they pick it up so fast. They get really smart than you way faster, I bet. Yeah. But so you wanted to do this.

So you went to camp, you realized how much of an impact it had on you and you wanted to make for somebody else had that as well. Yeah. So at 14 years old, going through puberty, you're like, I want to do music and I want to give back.

I want to do a camp. What was the process and getting all that started? So I love that I had a purpose from that age because everything that I did working toward that, the amount of time I spent practicing my guitar, listening to other music, learning cover songs. So by the time I was playing in bars when I was 17, I knew a thousand cover songs. So I could play whatever. I would look at the people that were sitting there by what they had on by their age,

try to figure out something that they might like to hear because the chances are when you see somebody playing in a restaurant, it's a 50-50. it's going to be terrible or it's going to be okay. So you got to win them over. And so you try to, you know, I prepared myself trying to figure out how to reach people. And maybe if they listen to a few covers that they like in that vein, like, again, you test out some Floyd on them or test out, you know, some Bill Withers or something like, see whatever makes their head tap. Then after you kind of earn their respect, then you can slip in an original song. Yeah.

So what I did is I created a business model. So I went into sports bars that didn't have live music. And I just said, I'm going to come here and I'm going to play. And I did this for six years. Six years, six nights a week, I played four to six hours a night in sports bars. And I went to the places, talked to the owner and just said, let me come play here every Tuesday night or Wednesday, whatever day it was. And this was in Georgia, Alabama, in Florida. I hired a guy to drive my truck for me.

I'd sleep against the window in my truck through the night, getting to the other places. And then eventually I just said, I want the door. Like we'd charge three bucks or five bucks at the door. So on a Wednesday, Tuesday night in different places, I was bringing in two or three hundred people into a sports bar to come in to see us play. And I was making, you know, 900 bucks at the door. And I could pay a good sound guy. I could pay a band. I could pay people to come there.

But if I had gone to Nashville and tried to get a gig, you making 50 bucks a night playing where it's so saturated. The guys working at Waffle House are better guitar players than me. I'm serious. Like wicked crazy players. There's so much saturation. and there's not a market for it. So what I had, and one thing that I've always had, and I think it's the most valuable trait in success period, is hustle.

I was slinging candy out of my backpack when I was in elementary school. Amen. Quarter blow pops, three dollar rancher sticks for a dollar. Those kids were the best. And chocolate bars, bro. You get like a dollar 25. You go to class, you know, a little Johnny over here. That's right.

He's got everything for you. I was living on. Open that thing up during recess. That's it. In the bathroom, whatever it is. I'd sell, but I was a big time consumer, too. Big time consumer. I was only a consumer.

So that was my hustle, man. Music was my hustle. And it was my way of doing it. And I had no idea where it's going to end up or whatever. But I wasn't going to let anybody talk me into not doing it. And about when I was probably 20, record labels started coming sniffing around, seeing that I was bringing in and selling out theaters, selling out, you know, places with, you know, four or five thousand people in them.

And they were trying to figure out what it is. But they were like, you got to figure out. I remember one of the record label heads talked to my lawyer when they were like leaving town. He was like, he's got to decide what kind of artist he is. He just doesn't know that yet. And they would come and go, we're going to put a cowboy hat on you and some boots and stuff. And we're going to, you know, get you. And I'm just like, I'm just going to be me. So it took 10 years from that point to actually feel comfortable enough to sign a record deal. So for the first six years, there's me and a drummer grinding six hours a night, six nights a week. Then four years of playing

with different people around Atlanta to getting to the point to where we could afford to have a bus where I could actually lay down flat and sleep while we're traveling. And then basically, you know, so it's 10 years after we set out like we're going to make it. You know, we're going to be big next year. It was 10 years after that to get to the beginning. And that's when chicken fried came out. We made the right record with Keith Stiegel. And then it's a winding path.

It's a long story about how it all went down. But we'd signed with a huge brand new record label that had like Madonna, JZ, U2, and us. And we were the developing act and the thing. then that whole record label dissolved. And I had the album I made on my own, and then I released it with them, and then I released it again with Atlantic Records. But I had some leverage by then,

because we had a number one song on the radio and no label. So I was able to strike a deal with Atlantic Records, who was my first big record label that I worked with. But I was able to leverage getting my master's back. It took eight years to get them back. That's when you re-released Chicken Fried? I re-released Chicken Fried. It was the third time that album had come out with the second record label that it came out.

And we'd already had a number, we had a number one currently. How does that process work? How do you release an album three times? Yeah. I released it on my own. Okay, got it. And then there was a huge thing cooking with this big, huge company that was trying it. It wasn't their model, but they were going to do a record label.

So then we signed with them. And when you sign with them, they now have the master of chicken. They have the masters. So when you, when that break up or whatever happens, you can't use chicken fried anymore. No, I can use it. They just make the majority of the money from it. Got you. Okay. So it's broken down into three buckets, right?

If you're a songwriter, if you're an artist recording artist and a songwriter, your songwriting is broken up into your writer's share and a publisher share. And I own both of those. And then there's your masters, who owns the actual master recording. That makes about five times. And I know this because I'm one of the only artists that owns their masters. So I actually get the payments from all the DSPs. I get the payment from Spotify and from YouTube and all those things myself.

So I have optics into how much the labels make. off of that where most people don't. Every time you sign another record deal, that pushes your masters of getting them back like another eight years, 10 years. So they have a way to figure it out, but I'd heard all these stories about people getting taken advantage of and I was just stubborn enough

to fight for getting the leverage to be able to get them back. And then as the time went on, I was able to hire my team of people that handled most of the day-to-day stuff that we needed to do. So then we just stopped using managers, we stopped using the label, and kind of, kind of, to do it on our own and now we know what it earns and I can take some of that and keep good

people around me to help manage it but I'm not competing with other artists I'm not competing with other releases and things like that yeah it's a lot of work but I know how people are treated I know I'm represented at all times by everyone in my business right and who's associated with you you know how they're going to treat other people right Zach Brown Band and Taylor Swift I know that was a massive deal when she got her master's like Taylor's version or something like that she just re-recorded them all so and asked her fans to listen to those yeah yeah yeah she's got an army out there man. Yeah.

You got to watch out for them. It's a full-blown military. She's a force, man. Yeah, this is the most powerful military in the world, actually, is what it is. She's a force. Dude, you've collaborated with so many different people, like Alan Jackson and Jimmy Buffett and Kid Rock. Like, how does that, how do those conversations take place?

Like, you've done the master's thing. You're just stubborn enough to ask the right questions and get what you wanted. And then these big time stars as well. Like, how do those conversations take place? Like, hey, I like your shit. You like my shit. Let's do something together? Is it that simple?

You seek them out. It's like, this is a dream. Like I want to have Jimmy Buffett on a song. I ended up meeting him at a campsite. Like he's sitting there eating a pie and me and my bass player walking by and like sit down and start talking to him. And we ended up being friends from that. And then I sent him a song like, hey, we got a song.

We had traction. We'd already had, you know, five or seven number ones at that time. And so I think our success and then us being real genuine fans of him, talking him into doing it. Same way with Dolly. We just released the song with Dolly Parton. just came out a couple weeks ago and she is the best it's called butterfly um she is such incredible there'll never be another dolly like the most published most brilliant female writer ever but that was a dream it was a dream to have like a full orchestra like 40 people come in

record 40 pieces of an orchestra and put it in so we did it on the song with dolly and um she's an angel man but she's what she's saying on this i send her the song and like sing whatever you When I got back what she sang, I was just like, she is a fucking ninja dude. Yeah. She is a ninja. Didn't she have like a song that she wrote and produced that she like buried under like, was a Dollyland, Dolly World or something like that? That will not be released until she's passed away or a certain date. That wouldn't surprise me.

I just heard a crazy story about her like that. Just next level thinking. That's next level thinking. Legacy. And I love to know if that is if we can find out because I saw that in passing probably Instagram and I'm like, oh shit. You see this? you know who's a collaboration you'd love to do in the future adele's one that i've always wanted to do i love adele i love her voice i met her we played she played at some country thing she was

singing something with darius rucker at this thing she came up to me i'd never seen her name before this is when the record heard record 19 was out i hadn't heard of her and she walked up and she's like i really love your music and i was like oh thank you and i thought it was like adelae or something i didn't know we didn't know how to say her name really and then it the next year she came out with 21 and it was like the biggest record ever. And she's exploding. And I listen to her when I ride my motorcycle, I would put that record on and listen to it like a thousand.

So when I could just like, whenever I listen to it, I can almost feel the wind on my face. Yeah. And I just, I was late getting to the, I was late getting to the scene on her because I could have talked to her and connected with her right there. But she's pretty untouchable now

and kind of does what she wants to do. But she's definitely my top, like, dream collab. Is there any conversations taking place? with her right now? Not currently. She was at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame when we did the, we were the band for Dolly for her rock and roll Hall of Fame induction. So we got to back her up on all her songs.

And she was there, but I didn't get to meet her. You should just like shoot her DM. Like, what's up with this collab? Yeah. The eye emoji. Yeah. It says, it says your Dolly buried a song in a time capsule at Dollywood that will be not be heard until she is 99 years old.

I mean, Sturm just wrote that. so you could have just lied. Is that? Copied and pasted. Copied and pasted. So you know it's factual. Yes, sir. From the internet.

From the internet. Got to have it. Was there ever a moment? Because you're right. I agree with you on the hustle part. But six years, especially when you're in like the late teens, you know, you're a young man. Like, you know, just young, wild and free. But as you're playing, you know, six nights a week, six hours a night, is there ever a moment where you're like, this is about to be it?

Whether it's a breakthrough or even. this might be it, like I'm going to have to turn and do something else. I was never going to turn and do something else. Because we left, we went to Panama City Beach with our van and our new CD that we'd had made of five songs CD and my dog and like all our gear and drove to Panama City and we would set up and plug in anywhere where somebody would give us a power outlet. We'd plug in and set up outside and we played. We did that for a week or two.

Played at this guy's Daccarry Shacky, like a trailer with the Daccarry machines in it. And we play sitting outside of this thing. And then that turned in to meeting some people that own a really nice house on Robert's Drive that let us sleep in their garage. So me and the drummer sleeping in a double bed together for like a month. And then we found a house gig at this place that let us play every week. And they let us play 10 nights in a row, six hours a night for 150 bucks a night. So he's giving us $1,500. And we had to prove ourselves sweating outside in Panama City in the summertime.

time. And, but I, I love the whole process. I loved all of it. There were moments that I thought, yeah, we're going to meet these people and things were just going to be big. You know what I mean? And then when we left Panama City, we did that for a few years. Then we left, then we went to New Orleans. We're like, okay, now we're going to go conquer New Orleans. We left New Orleans so fast. I think the devil lives in New Orleans. Vampires definitely live in New Orleans. If you were there, if you were there, when we drove in, it was like three in the morning in our busted old van that like five out of the eight cylinders worked in it and gas is just like spraying inside the car it's like I sold my life insurance policy my

dad gave me to buy this $1,200 like van from the 70s like a good times van like bubble windows like orange shag carpet so we're living out of this van and we get to New Orleans and uh that was that's Oprah that was a different one that was led that was much later well that's a nicer well that's a nicer but the good times van was the first uh vehicle we were in but when um I I thought we were going to make it in New Orleans. And we went there and it was all jazz and blues. Nobody would have us. Nobody would let us go in and play.

Three days, we had 20 bucks left. I was living off a gas card. I was like, I could get Doritos and bologna and white bread and natural light. If you made enough money and tips, you could drink Bud Light. But, you know, you're on the natural light train for a long time. So then we had to kind of come home and regroup. And I started playing more around Atlanta and then only going to Panama City for some of the summertime.

But, man, it was always a grind. And there was, giving up was never an option. It was like, what's the next thing? How can we get in front of new people, new audiences, and things like that? And once Chicken Fried came out on the radio and we had a song, then we started opening for Alan Jackson and Dave Matthews Band and Kenny Chesney and opening for people and getting to play in front of people. But we've been honing our craft and our skill.

I mean, having a band is a lot like having a sports team. Like, everybody's got to be good at their job. They got to show up and be solid. They can't be, you know, drunk and wasted. Like, you've got a good life skills, discipline. And we did that. And then not long after we stopped anybody drinking before the show, because we would smash a bottle of Yeager before the show. This was when a four piece band, a bottle of Yeager during the show and a bottle or two after the show.

And so like all my rock star days and shit like that was like from 20 to 23. Oh, short lift. So short run way. Yeah. But after that, it was pretty much like it was business after that. But I knew what it does. And I've been sober now for eight years. So I.

Congratulations. Yeah. For me, I know what it does. And I just want to feel good every day. Yeah. And anything I can do to invest in me feeling good from life coaching to therapists to plant medicine to whatever. Like I'm, I'm in on that because as you get older, like you guys 40 yet? No, no.

He's pretty much started. I just turned 36. Yeah. Yeah. So when you turn 40, your warranty runs out. So you better start investing and feeling good. You can get away with it when you're younger. But for me, it was, you know, I've got.

got a lot of kids to raise. I've got to stay on the path. I got to figure out what's happening. Yeah, that was when we were first to five piece, man. Yeah, it's fun when you're like 23, 24. And then right around 25,

every time I would have like one or even two drinks, like the next day, I just feel terrible forever. And then you have kids. Yeah, you live feeling terrible. And your kids want to play the next day and you're just like,

Dad, can't, man. I should stop way sooner. Not because I had a problem with it, just because it was taken away from things that matter. Yeah. And it doesn't, nobody's life gets worse because they quit. No doubt.

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We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what should be. should call it.

We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of my Cultura podcast network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What would you tell, like, young artists who have the big time hustle mentality and you're kind of living through those moments of probably discouragement, like when you leave in New Orleans and everything else where you're feeling discouraged, but all. So you're trying to balance it with that intensity and focus to like stay locked in for the bigger picture to like keep going. Yeah, I mean, if you're people always told me like I had to get a degree.

You have to get a degree. You have to have a plan B. I'm like, if I'm putting energy into plan B, I'm not putting it into plan A. The people that succeed are the ones that never give up no matter what anybody says. Unless you have the grit to be able to do that. Yeah, you can't you can't quit and give up. and you got to be really good to everybody along the way. That's the way you treat people is a direct result in your environment that you keep.

Your environment of your friends and people, if you don't keep expanders around you as your friends, if you've got people, you've been boys a long time, but whatever, they love to get trashed and whatever, if you slip off into that world with them. So you have to really be tight with your circle. And that will directly determine your success, the environment that you keep. Keep the things around your house that help you feel healthy and feel good. Like I turned all my bars into like, you know, team. and juice and, you know, smoothie bars and stuff like that.

So I still have something I can go make that I like, but it's different context, you know. But I wish that I had learned sooner and I tell people this, like try to stay out of debt, treat everybody like gold, be around people that are really good at what you want to do. So you can learn from them, clean their toilets, bring them coffee, do whatever you got to do to be around those people. And you got to work your ass off. Like there's no shortcut. There's no way people that get made super famous on YouTube overnight.

and stuff like that, like you're happy for them, but the dues that I paid grinding as much as I have made me appreciate people so much. And that love is all the way through my crew and my people. Like, everybody's job is equally as important as mine. And they come to bat for me. And Charlie Daniels has one of my favorite quotes. He was like, my greatest accomplishment is having 37 of my friends

help me for 35 years, like play music and do that. So the team that I have, the people around me, you can't buy culture and you can't buy momentum. them you have to build those things for yourself and then every decision you make is a crossroads yeah and and there's so many times just one decision could have changed things but even when you get beat up or whatever you got to get back up and keep going or you're not going to make it so there are people that like yeah i think i want to do music it's like you better fucking know right you better give it everything you got and you better learn everything you can from anybody around you you know and only listen

to people that are doing better than you because there's all these people and they want to tell you you how to create, what to do whatever. The people that write reviews on shit and slam other people's stuff have never done anything in their life to fucking create anything. Those are the people. They hide behind their screens. They'd never come up to my face and say this stuff. But they're the ones that are always tearing you down. And it's, you've got to be resilient. And I think when you have a big light that you're trying to shine out there, there's forces that are always going to try to be distracting you from who you are and what you're doing. And you just got to not let that steer your joy and try to keep going. I'm no master of that.

I deal with stuff all the time. I'm like, really? Like, again. Like, but it's, I know that it's my cross to bear and as the leader. And it's really not up to the fan. Fans shouldn't have to know the struggle and all that. They just know that they come to a show and they get an amazing experience and they can come back the next time.

And it's competitive in that way. If you're not doing something that's special, every time you come back to a city, if you play the same show, they're not going to keep coming back. So you've got to keep reinventing what you're doing and how to engage and have a great show. On that note, matter of fact, my wife. and I, when we were dating, you were, you guys were the first concert we went to together as a couple. Let's go. And I, your boy was fired up when inner sandman comes into the fold.

Can you talk about, you know, mixing over into that genre? Yeah. You're covering you got inner sand man going to Metallica. Next thing you know, they're playing at your shows. Yeah, for sure. It's, you know, I love those curveballs where you play things that people would never expect you to play. Like, we'll pull out some rage or we'll put out some Beastie Boys or pull out something. And I love being able to just play what I want to play.

There's nobody that's telling me I can't do that or I can't record this or I can't do that. But for us dynamically, like, there's not a lot of people that just love one little type of music and one thing. There's some purists, but a lot of people, like, we're exposed to lots of things. Like, I love good hip-hop. I love good EDM. I love good jazz, good swing, good, whatever it is that's going on. And so we make the music we want to make. But in our live shows, if you haven't seen,

our band's one you have to see to kind of get it and understand what it is. And it's different every time we come, but you know there's going to be things that we're going to play that no one would expect us to play. Like, oh my God, what are they doing? Buddy, went in her same and I looked over my, wow, what do you know about this one, sweetheart?

We're going to rock up for one in a minute now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. I love that. You talked about every decision you make as a crossroads when you're going through the path that you're going through. What are some decisions that you might have made in the past that you would change now?

Man, I think maybe opening my mouth a little bit about how I feel about certain things. Like, I definitely have strong opinions. I'm definitely, you know, as far as music goes, like, I can respect that somebody has their hustle and a lot of people love it. I might not love it. But I think I shouldn't maybe looking back on some of the things, I shouldn't really talk about how I feel about other people's craft necessarily. Just because it doesn't do it for me. It doesn't mean that it's bad. And I try to preface it with that, but I'm a music snob in the sense that I want to hear something that moves me.

Yeah. I want to be inspired by it. I want to hear somebody say something in a way that hasn't been said with the right melody, with the right harmony, with the right thing to move me. So I definitely think there are times when people have asked my opinion on things. And I didn't think that that was going to be shared out to the fucking world that did, that got shared out. And it was like, that wasn't my intention to do that, was to try to, you know, say something. you know, about somebody else's craft, you know, I think, I think there's a couple times where I wish I just not shared my opinion about it on things. So I try to be a little more aware of that,

but it's also the level of sensitivity that's required these days compared to when I grew up as, you know, it's crazy now the level of sensitivity a lot of the world has. But hopefully it's swinging back the other way a little bit. I see some good hope and good things. And I'm a big comedy fan. So I grew up with listening to Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy and, you know, George Carlin and things. And seeing there was uber sensitivity of the last few years and now it seems to be lighten up and people can just do things for a laugh again. Like we need to laugh. We need music is medicine. Laughing is medicine and those things. So I love those things too. And I write like some dirty, raunchy songs. My sense of humor is dark. Like I have a dark sense of

humor. And I love it. That's what keeps us laughing and going down the road. But my heart is solid gold. Like I don't, you know, I never want to do anything at the expense of someone else. Right. You know, and I think sometimes in the past when I've talked about certain things, that's something that may be that I would change. But I would also not try to do 80 businesses at one time. I would be more singularly focused on the things that are the best use of my time. You know, you drink out of a fire hydrant. I tried to have a record label. I had a huge building with like 165,000 square feet where I was manufacturing things, manufacturing knives and leather bags and CNC wood shop, C&C metal shop, and all of our graphic artists,

our film company, all of our accountants, had an auto body shop in there. We did like custom vehicles and things like that. And literally everything. Everything. And the more. And trying to be a dead. Yeah. I ain't trying to be dead. And trying to write music. Yeah. I would have definitely simplified things a lot, but I think that's something that I had to learn on my own that, you know, you only have so much time. And if you can't do something really well, which takes a significant amount of your pie chart, if your time is a pie chart,

those things take up time. And if you have so many things, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should, you can collaborate with somebody that's already making it or doing it or doing something and be creative in a way that you want. But I'm an artist, like, not just in music. That's just one of the mediums. That's the medium I've spent the longest time on.

But I like to make things. I like to create things. And I'm always studying gear. like people's people's gear that they make like as far as the knives go like i would get knives and there would be one thing i hated about it i love the knife i hate the clip or i love the clip hate the knife and so i wanted to fix that like all the things that i know functionally that a knife should be i want to make that so we did it american made and um you know but it's but it's hard it's hard for knife makers right now especially because like instagram took all knife makers off

they don't allow it on there they know they consider it weapons and really So so many great knife makers right now don't really have a marketing vehicle to broadcast and sell the things that they make anymore. That's part of the sensitivity for things. But, you know, I've carried a knife in my pocket since I was five years old and I feel naked without one. Well, five years old doesn't feel very responsible. I did.

I didn't take it out. I didn't brandish it. I wasn't like showing it off to other kids. But I had one. And I just like knowing, yeah, this is our site there for Southern. He's a beautiful knife. He's a beautiful knife. He's a beautiful.

Mom, come on. I love the knife. I love the knife. Gives it to and then grabs one in a little secret spot. He's got another one somewhere else for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Figure out how to say no when everything's kind of going your way.

It's got to be a very difficult thing. You have to say no a lot to be saying. Yeah. Everyone's, everyone he wants something from you. You believe in your head because you're younger. You're like, I can do everything. And they say yes to so many things.

And all of a sudden you have so many iron. and so many different fires. And it's like, what do you really have time for? Because everything's kind of turning out as okay, not great. You don't have time to take care of yourself. Right. And you have to look every few years and redefine what success means to you currently. Because at first it was like, okay, how do we get number one songs on the radio?

How do we do that? And then we built a whole team to be able to do that and did that for six years. And then it just, you don't get a number one song because you have a good song. You get one because you serviced every major company out there and giving them free shows and free things and showing up and done it. And then you have a good song too that's reacting. But giving that much away when I had little ones at home for so long, I just got to the point where I was like, I don't care how it affects my, you know, the amount of money that I make. I care about just being a sane human being. And I had to disconnect from it for four or five years.

So I stopped doing all of those things and just focused on playing shows because you become a politician. You become, you know, it's all political, all of those things. If you're going to win an award show, it's because you're with a label that has a huge voting chair and the amount of votes that go to that thing. And then they trade with another label that has, like, they might want this label's votes for their artists that they don't, not competing in, and they will trade their votes and things. So you look behind the curtain on a lot of those things. And I'd just rather not be someone's horse than to have to go, you know, be the monkey they let out of the cage and tell you what to do, what to create. how to create it and all those things we're ever going to win entertainer the year or anything like

that or whatever because we're not part of those we're not one of their horses and they do a great job glorifying their artists and the perception of public perception of those people by doing that but for us i mean we sell out stadiums and that's an award for us every night and i try to remind my band of that because they'll they'll invite us to come and nominate us but we're they won't have a chance in hell and winning. And it's always disappointing for my band. I'm like, hey, like we're winning. We win because we get to do what we want

to do, be ourselves, play the music, connect to our fan base, which no one can take away from us. And it's just a different kind. It's just how you measure it, you know, how you measure your success. And it's always a moving target and always feeling out. So this was a year where I was like, we need a spectacle. We need

something that's a big reminder to cut through things because people can listen to a million different things that's free on their phone. Yeah. You can on YouTube and listen to millions of different things. Yeah, the access to music is bigger than ever. And so you need to have something to cut through that. What are you going to do that's big enough to make people pay attention and realize, oh shit, they're not just complacent and slowing down and just like, you know, riding off into the sunset. Like, we're pushing the boundaries of what we can do for our fans. And that's why we're doing Sphere. You know, the Sphere show,

December is the biggest project we've ever taken on by 10fold. And it's important to do something that's unforgettable there to just remind people. I want to be in that same, you know, legacy era or legacy act as like the Rolling Stones or the Grateful Dead. And what that requires is your community that you create around your music and your following and all those things. You have to do something to keep them engaged, to keep them going. And artistically, this is the greatest canvas that's ever been created for creativity.

Yeah. And getting to do that is a huge honor and it's a massive undertaking in the middle of everything that's happening. So making this album, finishing it, producing it, the same night of the first show of the sphere is the album release. So all the promo this entire year is leading up to that first night at the sphere. But making great music, you know, I feel better now than I did 20 years ago. Like, I feel great creatively. I've learned a lot. I've learned a lot about producing how to make the music translate the way that I want,

leading the band. And it's just, it's cool. This is a cool year. It's one of those years to bet on yourself because it's not a big money-making opportunity, but it's exposure-wise and prestige-wise is the biggest thing that there is. Have you been able to check out a couple shows at the Sphere? I've been to five.

Buddy. We were able to go to the UFC in September. That's my favorite sport. And then, my God, it was like a Mortal Kombat scene every single time. And they would change it. there'd be a storyline that brought up both of the fighters.

Like, I've never seen anything like it. And you're watching it and looking up. But then you look behind you, and there's even more going on behind you that it's truly like almost a 360-degree view of all these incredible things. It was amazing. I love Dana that Dana did that there. UFC is my favorite sport. So I competed in judo in college.

And then I learned about all of the positions and everything in MMA. and watching from like King of the Cage, like super early on to watching Pride to watching, you know, UFC when it started. But I've been like a fan of it. Like religiously, if I watched like I play football 11 years. I love football. But UFC is my, that's my jam. Yeah. Like religiously watch it all the time.

It's a big Gracie fan, were you? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, and watching the evolution of the sport. Yeah. From back when it was single disciplines of everybody coming in, compete. meeting with each other and then Jiu-Jitsu was just so superior early on, but now everybody trained Jiu-Ti. They all train wrestling, they all train Moitai, they all train boxing, they all

train. And now you've seen literally the worst guy in the UFC would have killed everybody back in those early UFC days just because of marrying of everyone's discipline from all over the world. Remember that first UFC was like the big fat guy? Emmanuel Yarbrough. Yeah, where he catches the kick, where he catches the kick in the mouth. We're thinking of the same one. You know what I'm talking about? about JP? J.P's, talking about Paul Varland's maybe.

The guy that got leg kicked to death. Yeah, well, there's this, there's this lanky guy gets his fat dude. And kind of catches him on all fours and just slices them right there in the mouth where there's like no weight classes. There's no weight. Oise Gracie's wearing a ghee out there.

That's Ken Shamrock and Oish Gracie right there. Just putting the heel in the ribs. My God. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a sport. Like, you play football. for as long as we have to play and you're like, man, we're really tough. And then you walk in and watch those fights go down.

If you, I don't know if you've ever been to one, but if you can go check out UFC Apex, like the smith or smaller, like, maybe like 200, 300 people in there. The intimacy of that fight is crazy. It's just like family and friends. Right. And people come in. You can hear every blow. You can literally put a headset on and listen to them, the corners talk.

It is crazy. And not that the dudes aren't the hungriest at the top in the main event, but those are the those are the, those are the guys. They're all going for a. knockout. Like they're going for the kill every single time. It's so much fun. And we've been to, I don't even know how many now. I love going to fights when I can go. We're going out next week. I can't wait. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. It's a yeah. There was back then there was a guy, Manuel Yarbrough, who was a, he was like a sumo wrestler. He was like 600 and something pounds.

And he fought this dude, Keith Hackney, which was like 220 and he was like a Kenpo karate guy. I mean, the guy was curling like four plates, the summa wrestler guy. No shit. Just just, just reping. four plates like this. Just unbelievably strong. But that guy like, that's him. That's him in the yard, bro. He got chopped. Taylor,

no weight classes, bro. The first Keith Hackney comes in and chops him like a ridge hand on his nose, knocks him down, and then breaks his hands, like, smashed it on the back of his head because he couldn't get up. But you can watch the first part of this, first part of this fight right here. This dude just walling out to the middle. He's 600 pounds.

You don't say. That is. There it is right there. Right in the nose. He's not coming down. And then. Oh shit. Oh shit.

No rules. He gets out. He gets out. How did he get out? He got out and then he couldn't get up. And he broke his hand smashing, trying to punch this guy's head was like a rhinoceros. Throwing out of the cage. Broke the cable ties on the cage.

Just wearing clothes. Yeah. He gets him. he gets him down again. Get back in there, man. But he couldn't compete further. Because this is back when it was brackets. You had to fight three times a night.

No way. This is back when it was like Dan seven days and guys like that. So these guys get done. He went down again. Now look right here. This is where he broke his hand. There's no gloves. The wrists aren't taped.

He's just getting smooth. It's just straight. This is bloods. Yeah. This is cockfighting. Yeah. Whipping that thing. The ref just not calling the fight.

I know. That's John McCarthy too. John McCarthy. Yeah, I love this sport so much. It is my favorite. And getting to hang with the fighters, so I was telling y'all, I think from,

I've never lost a game of slaps in my life. And so you put your hands here, one guy's here, one guy's here, and you have to hit their hands, and when you miss, it's the other person's turn. And whoever gives up first loses.

But I've been playing with some of the UFC fighters, like we'll go to the fight and hang out beforehand. Like I played with Diego Lopez and some of the guys, but it's a, it's a super fun game. And I love watching the slap fighting, too. It's so fun. So you'll go against the UFC guys and beat them.

Again. Oh, yeah. And you know, too, they're sleeping on TV. Video evidence of this? Yeah, it's online. Of you beating them in slaps? Yeah. Okay.

Pull it up, Sher. You said, look at his eyes, man. And you said you competed in Jiu-Jitsu and college? Yeah, I was on a judo team in my college. So that begs the question of all. the musicians out there that are around your age and weight class. Is there anybody you think that would give you run for your money in the octagon? Oh, I'm not going to, I'm not, I don't, I don't roll anymore because of my fingers.

Fair. So you're going to rip your fingers on geese and stuff too. So I don't roll anymore, but I love, I love to watch it. And I'll play slaps with somebody. That's, that's my game. I'll play. But you're slapping each other's hands instead of each other's faces. Yeah.

We would, uh, in high school, we would, during camp, we would do, like, all the freshmen to get us all together and make us do like slapboxing. And then we'd all go into like somebody's room and they're like, all right, you two, you have to slap box each other. And I never sitting there as a freshman being like, please God, I don't want to do this. Right. But then all seems like you have to.

All right. Fuck. See you did. Well, you're a giant, dude. Yeah, I was tall, but I was like Mike from Monster's Inc. Dude, I was like kind of round in the middle, skinny little limbs. I got my ass tossed around a little bit. I'll be honest.

But yeah, it's about as much fighting as I can do. We want to hit Bud, like, question. Me and Diego Lopez. Just pull up both of our names there. Yeah, let's say, we got to see it. So you start hands on the head, you said. Hands on the head. The other person puts their hands down.

And if you separate your hands more than like four or five times, then the other person that can change hands. So then you got to keep it together if you've already given your whiffs or whatever. But you read when they're going to do it. And it's just straight down slapping their hands. And you try to slap them as hard as you can. but there are people that are just tough and wouldn't give up. I played with one of the dudes that was an American Gladiator.

Remember the guy Wolf that was like, did you ever watch American Gladiator? I remember watching American Gladiator. I played with him in a bar and he wouldn't give up. And his hand was like swollen that far. I busted all the blood vessels in his hand. And he just, he wouldn't give up.

And I'm like, it hurt my hand from slapping him. Yeah, he's a, he's a guy. Yeah. He wasn't as fast as me, but he was just tough. He's just like, I don't care if you break my fucking hand. You know, he's not giving up. But Zach's, he was a guy.

music for a little while he's got this big like deep voice so he was hanging out around Nashville for a while that's awesome love and fear what do people have to look forward to and do you feel a sense of like nerves knowing the expectation of Zach Brown band coming out with this new album not at all i've bled over this album and these recordings and all of the press and all the content for sphere and all the things so I'm super proud of it I was proud of this as any record I've ever made, spent a lot of time writing it, a lot of time producing it and arranging it with my band. And I love it. Every three years, you get a snapshot of, like, the best songs that I've written in that amount of time. But having Snoop on a song, having Dolly on a song. And then I wrote

with Dave Grohl on one of the tunes. It's, uh, I love it. Those are my babies, man. The songs are like your babies. I chase songs all the time. Chasing them all your year long and then the best 10 or 12 or 13 or whatever you put on an album every two or three years yeah dude isn't it we were saying it before we got on but isn't it wild that you've like owned a decade of music like do you ever have those big perspective moments it's like yeah i'm always focusing on covid was the first time that i slowed down enough where i actually could reflect on what i've done because i'm always moving forward i'm always like where we going not where we've been but but I wouldn't want to have to figure it all out again.

I know that. Right. Yeah. When you have a level of success, when you look back on it, it's like, I can't believe I did all that. That's awesome. But then the thought of like, if I had to do it again, could I? Yeah, I know.

Yeah. Because there's so many trials and tribulations. There's my lady. Man, that is. I thought you were a dog. I am. What's going on there? I got a daughter going to UT.

Okay. I got a daughter going to Utah. And I got a daughter going to Georgia Tech. So now I'm a-oh. Oh, my God. Georgia Tech. That's crazy. Yeah.

Part-time. Yellow Jacket, part-time Longhorn, but always a dog. Unless, I mean, Texas is playing the dogs. I'm going dog. It's a house divided. Got to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. House divided for sure.

Yeah. Like that last game in the year, you got to play Georgia Tech. Yeah. Last year, that was a crazy match. That quarterback almost gutted it out for us there. They can get sneaky, man. Georgia Tech's solid. They're a good squad.

Bud-like question? I think, I'm thinking of a, there's a couple more brewing in my brain. Go ahead. Brew away, dude. When you were writing, like when you're writing music, what is the like emotional process like to where you're writing for healing or like writing to like open up an old wound? Like what is that, what is that, I guess, overall process like for you? Sometimes is like, are you diving into something?

You're like, I kind of want to back off of this. You know, it's a good, that's a good question. It happens all different kinds of ways. Sometimes you'll finish a song in two hours. Sometimes I'll sit on a song for 11 years until I have the right line. missing. Sometimes it's about something personal to me, but maybe from a different perspective. Like there's a song on the new album that's coming out.

It's called Thank You for Loving Her. And it's a love song basically telling the guy that got her next, like, thank you for taking care of her because I care about her even though it didn't work between us. So when I find something that hasn't really been done, I've never heard anybody write a love song to the other guy that ends up with her, right? Yeah. So it's, for me, it's always what, what do I have to say? If we have a conversation and something said and I'm like, that's something that I believe

in. How do I turn that into a phrase? How do I make that a hook of a song? It, man, it happens all different kinds of ways. Sometimes you have a melody, you have a guitar part and you're like, you write something to sing to it. Sometimes you just come up with the melody of what you want to hear and then you put the words into it. A song kind of finds you in a weird way. Like it's, there's bits and pieces

of things, but I like to go somewhere really beautiful, like on my spearfishing trips. That's usually when I write. Like, we'll go somewhere beautiful, spearfish all day, come back, hang around, sit with the guitars and buy the ocean and write, you know. Being somewhere really beautiful helps with inspiration to write. But, you know, some songs are just to be like the Snoop song we have on there. That's a song about smoking herb. And it's like, if I might have a song, about that we got to get snoop on it um that's the the purpose of that's not as deep but then there's songs there's one on this new record called the sum and that's like as far as i can see the way that you choose to live your life no matter what other people says or does you have to you let me explain the

the lyrics of it so it says no good deed goes unpunished and no turn left unstoned so i find sometimes the people that i've done the absolute most for are the ones that feel somewhat entitled. It ignites some greed or ignite something where they're coming back. And then next thing you know, if things don't work out and they're gone, they're the ones trying to, like, extort you. And people ask me like, well, how do you ever trust anybody? But I think all of that is a test to see if that's going to change your fabric of who you are. If you get jaded by other people's behavior and it changes the way you handle things, I like to err on the side of generosity with people always because I know I did everything in my power to do it. So even necessarily if that person,

doesn't necessarily deserve that, I like to do it because I know I did the right thing. And this is the song about that. And it's, you know, no turn left unstoneed. It's like, sometimes when you're trying to do the most amount of good is when you, the shit falls and flies on you faster than anything. So it's, you can't let those things change you. And I made a reference on there, you know, if we try to act like Jesus and end up on the cross, remember we can rise again no matter what we lost. It's like, I think being a good person is doing the right thing, even if someone doesn't deserve it. And knowing that's who you are and not letting the amount of times that people come stab you in the back, change the fabric of who you are. And that's the sum of who we are.

All the hardship we've learned, the dumb shit we've done and learned not to do that anymore. Like the breaking we have of ourselves and the healing that we have, like, we're the sum of those two things. That's the sum of who we are. It's like, and you need the dark to see the stars. So all the bad things that happen help you really appreciate all the good things. good people and good things like that. So that one's as deep as any song I've ever written. That's on,

that'll be out on the 17th of this month. That one and the one I'm with Marcus King. It's coming out. Oh, Marcus King. Yeah. That's awesome, man. Yeah. Let's hear you explain it to it too.

It was incredible. I was just going to say it's really cool to have you on the bus. Me too, I'm a massive fan. I know you got a lot of massive fans. You have the vacation songs and everything else. You guys are crushing it. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's because of guys like you that are willing to come on the show. Yeah. That's what it's all about. Likewise, you're helping me spread my message too and, you know, the show at the sphere. We got to make it.

We should go out to one for sure. You should. You should. It's. The sphere or spear fishing? Little column A, call him B. Yeah. You know, make this into a little relationship.

We have a rock song on the album called Animal. And I got Brock Lesnar to come out and film with me. And there's a full, like, Marvel movie fight between me and Brock in this scene. He's like part of my, like, alter ego, basically. Because we fight between being an animal and a civil. man all the time internally. Like, there's times when we just want to punch somebody. Yeah.

But we don't because we shouldn't and we can. So, but there's that part of us that's doing it. So it's like me splitting into two people and it's me and Brock and we fight each other. And then we come back to, I did challenge Jason Aldine to a slap fight. For charity. He's like, there's better ways to make money. I think that was his return quote. That's funny.

That is funny. Brock Lesner. Yeah, man, two wolves. Better be a warrior and a gardener. in a garden than a gardener in a war yeah all those phrases man they all play well those are songs man those are things that you hear and you're like i can make that a story yeah i can make that apply and you try to write something so it applies if it applies to me and hits me really deeply if i'm doing it right you're going to feel a resonance in your life of what i'm writing about that's why

great country songs is like the last true form of american poetry that people like actually listen to i mean there's some people i'm sure into poetry still but you hear a good song it's timeless Like a good song will live on and on. So that's what I'm chasing. That's what I'm chasing. That's my main medium. But that's how I've been able to build a camp and help kids and help veterans and raise my family. So I encourage young people to take, find something.

When you find what you want to do, don't chase money. Stay out of debt so you can chase that down with everything you have. But find something to give back that you believe in and start that early on in your journey. Because that's going to directly feed your success and feed a bigger. calls other something bigger than yourself because serving you can be people think they're happy when they're rich and have cars and a nice house and all this shit or whatever that's not what makes people happy what really makes people happy is serving other people and until you do that and learn that and align it with your business then you're you're kind of missing out on a lot of the meaning i feel like

we're here to sharpen each other we're here to help each other raise each other up expand each other help each other to be better um that's in in my tribe in my world that's what i try to keep around me but that served me really well. Well, said, man. That's awesome. That is. You want to hit him with the Bud Light? Well, I do have one question.

Okay. Of all the songs that you have at are out right now, what's the one song you're most proud of? Right now, it's the song with Dolly Parton. Yeah. It's called Butterfly. It's the first song I wrote on the piano because I can play piano, but I don't really write on it. So I sat down and tried to write a song, and that's what came out and a song for my kids. But having Dolly, the legend, absolutely murder it.

when you listen to what she's saying on that and how she's saying it you wouldn't know she was 25 or 80 it's it's unbelievable that that one is one right now that i'm so crazy proud of and i just love her and everything she stands for she's done so much in philanthropy as well with her career just an incredible woman and she's truly one of one and she's hot yeah kind of she's about to be 80 years old and she's hot and she's still as talented as any human on the earth she's awesome man I do like when I was with the Titans there was those fires in Gatlinburg and they were doing like a telethon for it. Yeah. So the Titans the Amy Adam Strong, she gave like a, I don't know if it was like a $50,000 check or whatever, but we, me and Drell Casey presented it to her on stage and she kissed me on the cheek.

Oh yeah. There you go. I went home and I was like this is one of the biggest moments of my life. Yeah. It was unbelievable. It is. She is such an icon, man. I remember those fires.

I sent my food truck up there and we fed people. That's awesome. Because that's back when I used to do eat and greets. So every single show, we brought- The Indian Great Idea. We set up, we had a feather-like tractor trailer, a million-dollar kitchen. That was in a tractor trailer, this full self-contained, full 12-foot vent hood, tilt skillet, walk-in, freezer in the front of it. But we'd feed people every single show that we did.

We'd have 150 fans and sponsorship people and people like that. We'd feed them. We had a local chef and a bus that had hospitality people that ran it. It was like throwing a wedding every day. We did that for six years on the road. No shit. And it got a little bit dangerous where there were some crazy people that were coming in. And sometimes when it literally felt dangerous, like this lady just gotten out of jail.

She'd been writing letters about it. If I can't have them, no one can kind of thing. And coming in and the lady's pacing behind me while I'm talking to people. And the access it gave got a little sketchy after a long time. But that's what we threw every single show for six years. And they go to local farms and whatever town we're in, whatever state we're in in Ohio. our chef rusty who's this big huge personality that's him uh Cajun chef he's hilarious hell yeah but he would go get local protein local produce and come back and we would cook it up for

everybody and serve them food and just to show them that we're one of the people um and it was a great connector for us and our fans it was it was a lot of work but it was it was great that's awesome and that is also terrifying somebody getting out of prison writing letters about if i didn't kill me was that is that the scariest interaction you've ever had that one was and she was pacing behind me saying I can't go back to jail I can't go back to jail I can't go about to jail and like her eyes is shifting and the whole thing dude like it I don't know shit but it was yeah it was sketchy a few times like that and I was like okay we can't do this anymore like it's just another thing that you know yeah but but we sent that food truck to gatlinburg when that happened and we fed

all the first responders and all the people during the fires and we had people slinging food out of there for a couple weeks for them great people up there it's a very well like look at old I know. I love the pit up girl too. Chef Rusty. Russ is a dog. And that's some good food we were serving too, man. All right. Bud light question.

Right. People would do anything for an ice cold bud light. What is something that you, Zach Brown, would do anything for? Besides my kids. Yeah, I can't say family. Can't say my family. Man, I think I would do anything to help people. I think that's something.

Like, I'm not one of those guys that's going to watch somebody get stabbed to death and stand there and film it. Like, I don't understand that. I would have to jump in. I don't have a choice. But I would do something to help someone. If I saw someone getting hurt or whatever, I would definitely jump in to try to help.

Like, I don't know if that's the most interesting answer, but it's true. You know, I protect my people, my business. You know, and I don't want to make my decisions based on fear. that's the whole concept of love and fear. You're making your decisions on things. If you let fear govern what you're going to do, you're not going to do anything great.

You got to be tough enough to suck at what you're doing long enough to be good at it. And then keep plowing. Keep going. I love it. I do too, bro. This has been amazing. Yeah, thank you.

Really appreciate you. My pleasure. Mass of fans. Let's go spear fishing. Let's go spear fishing. Let's do that. All the boys get down. All the boys get down there.

He said, I want to see you again. I'm stuck in cold weather. Maybe tomorrow will be better. He's like, ah, fun. Can I call you then? That's one of my favorites. Is it? I've been reading to write a song.

That's the follow-up to that, and that is the sum. Oh, really? The song is our follow-up. That new song I was telling you about. That's the follow-up to colder weather. So there's a sequel. There's a sequel. Nice.

Oh, that's sick. It comes out the 17th, October. Yep. It's even the best spook to-over. And what's that, what's that song called? The sum. The sum. The sum.

S-U-M. All right. Do you have any special feelings about the holiday Halloween? I love Halloween. Do you? I love, it's my favorite holiday. Are you serious? Favorite.

Oh, buddy. That's a, we're a spook-tobre podcast. If you would have came next week, this bus would have been decked out. Yeah, all the web's fake blood. Spooctober, bro. I love Halloween. Really? Love it.

Do you still go a hundred houses? I mean, I'm covered in Day for the Dead artwork. It's all the way this whole arm is all. I got dead Bob right here, Bob Marley. That whole De Los Maritos, Day of the Dead, the Halloween world is my jam. Let's go. I love it, man. That's a outfit that we wore.

Oh, that's you? That's me. So that whole suit was airbrushed with blacklight paint. So it looked like a normal blue suit playing, but then we're playing and literally that we hit to turn the lights off and the black lights on. and then we're human skeletons playing music. That's badass. That's one of our gigs.

The whole band was like that. I was tied into a harness. They'd picked four of us up off the ground, and I would fly out over the crowd in the freaking skeleton suits. That is awesome. Sphere is all the gags and stuff we've pulled on steroids because nobody's about to expect what we're doing there.

That's what we look like under black lights. We all had custom masks that were made. Dude, that is so awesome. Yeah. The sphere, if this is anything with the sphere is going to be like, it's going to be 10 out of 10. It's going to be sick. What, any, uh, Halloween traditions you have?

Um, we used to do like a trunk or treat. Okay. At the kids and stuff. We used to just have all our friends come bring their cars and set up trigger treats and stuff like that around. But now the tradition is going over to Trillith, the neighborhood that's, that my, um, my kid's mom lives in and they have huge neighbor. There's like 1,500 houses that are 10 feet apart from each other.

So it's literally just fill up a trash bag full of shit. shit, you know. But when I was a kid, I would hide pods of candy all over everything. Nobody told me as a kid I shouldn't eat all this garbage and stuff. So I was just going nuts with it. I was in the inventory for the next week. No doubt. Let's give a right applause for Zach, man. This has been awesome. Thank you guys. Appreciate you. Great to meet you, man. Likewales. Like wise. Make sure you subscribe. Big hugs. Tiny kisses. Hey guys. It's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.

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