Bussin' With The Boys - Zane Smith On His Rivalry With Carson Hocevar + Riley Herbst Wants To Change NASCAR Practice

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

Recorded: July 7th 2026 | Welcome back to another episode of Racin’ With The Boys. This week we have two lifelong friends, Riley Herbst and Zane Smith. The guys immediately get into their friendship and what it like growing up with Noah Gragson. They get into how they started racing through Baja racing in the dessert to then moving to North Carolina to get into NASCAR.  Riley and Zane get into their offseason hobbies including heading back home to do some more Baja racing. They talk about how dangerous it is with the fans surrounding the track without any fence. Which then brings up the conversation of what is the sketchiest/scariest track on the NASCAR circuit, the answer may surprise you. Finally, the boys end the pod with our “one word to describe the driver segment”. This opens a whole can of worms as Zane opens up as to why he doesn’t like Carson Hocevar. He talks about some of their run-ins with each other and why they have a rivalry. Come join the boys for a good hang, enjoy fellas.   0:00 Intro1:58 Their Friendship With Noah4:15 Finding The Love Of Racing9:44 Baja Racing vs NASCAR11:51 Pressure Of NASCAR 15:40 Offseason Hobbies 18:16 What’s The Vibe After You Wreck Someone?21:01 Terrible Herbst Family Oil25:30 Zane Growing Up In California & Getting Into NASCAR29:18 Fines In NASCAR33:24 Baja Races Are INSANE36:08 Are There Sketchier Tracks vs Others?37:56 Superstitions42:07 Big Cold Plunge Guys48:22 Describe The Drivers In One Word59:14 Keeping Your Composure Throughout The SeasonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Lolli Herbst and Zane Smith, these two individuals turned left for a living. They grew up together in the same area doing Baja. Also, Noah Graxon, friend of the show who's been on here. as well all these guys grew up out west one in huntington beach the other one and los vegas nevada um incredible time can't wait a round of applause for the boys dude um you've already pulled the jamie thing we brought up noah he's an absolute psychopath he came in here just absolutely gritting his face off like what is the relationship between you three hell you know what basically tell me your love story dude tell me how you guys met i met him in a park before the first day of

fourth grade and my life has been changed ever since. I don't know if it's good for the good or bad, but yeah, day school started on Monday. I met him on Sunday throwing a football in a park and yeah, there's a photo of the three of us. That one's so bad. We made our first time off right there. Dude, that's kind of nice, right? That's kind of a bad little deal, a little bass in your hand. Dude, the carp is crazy work. Yeah, carp my bad. Yeah, for sure. It is crazy work. That's what I meant. I didn't mean bass. I meant carp. I mean just off a sugar high right there. Just rip in life, man. Is there anything better than just being eight years old and a bag full of sugar in your body?

Just getting after it with your boys knowing the crash is inevitably going to come. Yes. That's awesome. Was Noah? Was he the same way as he is? He was worse. Yeah, I'm sure he's like the 80D poster child of NASCAR. Yes.

Did he tell you he went to military school? I don't think he did. Did he tell us that? Yeah. He got sent away for a year and a half. No, he was a bad boy. He was being a bad kid. What was he doing, dude?

He was a mess. He was a mess. He was just Noah. a younger version of himself. Was he pedaling or was he a fevery? What was going on? He was in the weeds in Las Vegas? No, no weeds.

All right. There he is. Left side. Yes. No, no way. Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Jamie.

Yes. That's incredible. Noah's still deep down has that character in him, man. Yeah. The military with the sword character? Dude, he'll just like go through, I don't know, times where he'll get on a kick and, like, you'll go over to Noah's house one time, and he might just be dressed like that

just for the love of the game. Dude, I do actually love that about, like, I don't, clearly I don't know him very well, but you just know, seeing his energy and just how he was bouncing off the walls, left, right and center, I can definitely see him playing a bit and just being a random Wednesday,

but you know what, I'm gonna put some military clothes on today. 100%. And just maybe one of my boys will come over and see me, dialed in like that. Yeah. Well, how did, what's fascinating to me

about the racing thing is like, I grew up in traditional sports, right? I played hockey, baseball, basketball, football, and then clearly football ended up being my thick. how like how did you guys find the love of racing yeah i mean i mean since we're talking about no like no it didn't get his start in racing till he was like a he was late like probably what 12 yeah 14 yeah 14 i like for riley and i i mean i've been racing since i was three years old i grew up on

bmx bikes and i wanted to race supercross uh still really into supercross but then got into carding and just we grew up around racing our our whole life and so my dad was a team manager for the off-road race team, which Riley's dad at the time, he actually raced. And so, like, we just, yeah, grew up around it. And that's all we've ever known. Just going to the race track, just spending time with your family. I don't know.

We were talking about being eight years old. We always kind of like thought that everybody went to the racetrack on the weekend. Because we didn't go to football practice. And then you start to get older and you're like, oh, people are going to prom and shit. And you're skipping everything. Right. school. Now, are you guys homeschooling this?

Are you guys like, and we're doing public school, but we're just kind of. Yeah, we're like, I got kicked out actually of high school. Okay, so you're also the bad kid. Well, I missed too many days of school. They're like, yo, this is not going to cut it. Really? When did you kicked out of school? Halfway through sophomore year of high school.

And that's when you're going GED route all the way. Yeah. No shit. Yeah. I don't even know if I got one, honestly. Like, and you bailed too. Like, okay, so we just got a bunch of bad boys out here, huh? Well, like, so I moved to North Carolina when I was like 15 years old.

pretty much and I was like going back and forth but was out there and I just raced all the time like you go from on the West Coast you only race I don't know like a couple times a month and then when you go to North Carolina you race like a few times a week and so there is no time for school and so not good but I mean I graduated eighth grade went to like and did online school and pretty much did my freshman and sophomore year and then sort of just kind of gave up on it no she just gave up on school Yeah, I mean, like I just... What are you gonna do, man?

Love with the game. Yeah, if you love what you're doing, just go ahead and chase that dream. It's also like the, it's like, you see so many people, even in their late 30s, like having like an identity crisis who they are or what they want to be.

It's got to be like the most fring thing in the world to be 14 years old, 15 years old and be like, I know exactly what I want to do. Yeah, but it's nervous too because if you don't, if you don't get to the top, then... Yeah, then you're in your 20s

with no high school degree. Just hopefully figuring it all out, dude. Yeah, what do you do? Zane, you were saying that you did Supercross a little bit? No, I wanted to race Supercross. So were you like, so were you like, I grew up in Arizona and like my, I'm clearly older than you guys, but I was all until like Krusty Demons, Metamilish, Nitro Circus, like Travis was strong on, Brian Deagle, like those are my heroes growing up.

Were you getting on the bike and doing it a little? Oh, yeah. I mean, I never like, I mean, probably the biggest bike I read was like a pretty much like an 85. Yeah, yeah. A little bit. Just getting after a little bit. Like, do crusty demons, what a throwback.

I'm like, I was probably like five years old, the spiked hair sitting on a Krusty Demons bike. Probably some frosted tiffs taking place too, dude. So popped. Dude, you both pop those little DVDs in there. And you're like, how do I live the life that these guys are? Watching those for hours after school? Hours, dude.

It would always be, I would come home and it would be CMT on the TV. I would watch whatever was on probably Dukes of Hazard. And as soon as like that episode ended, I would put in. Usually, Nighter Circus was my go-to. Krusty demons, I had to put on my parents were on date night or something like that. Dude, nitrous circus was electric. Dude, night just.

When I came to town, you had to go. Dude, I went to it in 2015. Yeah. And it was awesome. I hit up, um... Travis? No, God, I didn't have that kind of connection. It was 2015, so it was my second year in the NFL in Nashville, and it was Adam Jones.

He, like, I DM'd him and I was like, hey, bro, I'll be the thing. He's like, you should come before. And I go down and we're in the, like, walking through, like, to the Predators locker room and there's like a pull-up bar and I tell my boy's like hey you should do a pull-up my buddy he can't do a pull-up to save his life Travis Pistrano walks by he gets in on it and I'm like this is fucking incredible and we went in the locker room they were drinking some some bud lights having a good time I'm like I should you guys be focused be doing this when you're about to be like backlips stuff like oh dude this is this is easy this is like riding a bike

for this is nothing and we went out all night dude and just got after it with them it was like it's one of the greatest core moments of my entire life I love that yeah it's Cool. This is not a podcast about me though. So you guys. Oh, I love to hear it. You like to hear my fun stories. Yeah, man. I was going to ask you about Big Blue. I was going to ask you about Tennessee and stories. Where's Willie Boy C? Yeah, Willie Boy C. He's in foreign territory right now. We, uh, America sent him out. Yeah, America sent him to try to do God's work to help out with the World Cup. It didn't work out last that. That was a beating. Ah. Dude, I popped in and out. One of my favorite things to do this past

couple of weeks is put on the World Cup, but on Telemundo, and just listen to the Spanish guys just get after it. But it was a heartbreaking loss. Heartbreaking. Were you guys following it? I was. Just the team USA. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's really all you want. And it's, it's, the worst part is like this game going into Belgium, we were all thinking to ourselves like, it's a long, I think we could win this. Yeah. I think this is finally the time. I was on the bus yesterday doing an intro that came out this morning after we lost, being like, we can look past Belgium. Let's focus on Morocco or Spain now.

So who we got. We want Spain. Yeah. And just got it. It was messy. No doubt. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. When did you guys, okay, so your family was in it? Off road, yeah. Off road. Yeah. And so it's very, I know a lot of guys grew up racing and stuff like that, but off road's kind of a more unique game to get into NASCAR. Yeah.

It's very different. It's like running through the deserts of Mexico, like wide open. There's no rules. Exactly. That's what it was. It's so much different. Even just like the depth of like the people and like, I don't know, like the vibe of an off-row race.

No, not like that. Go right there. Or all the way up to the top, yeah. To the top right. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, there's a, if you're in that position in the last car, you're in a bad spot. Yeah, exactly. You're not supposed to come off the ground like that.

So this is the origin story of my two boys here. You guys were into Baja type racing. Yeah, I mean, like when we were younger, I mean, yeah, wanting to do this when like we didn't know about the sport. That sport's more like, yeah. do this for a living. Yeah, you can't do that for a living. That's more of a hobby. Doesn't make sense? Like, I hate to say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you just don't make a lot of money. There's no money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And at the end of the day, like, we'll have our passions, but also we need to make bags as well. Those are, those are businessmen who do that on the weekend. Yeah, these are, yeah,

exactly. Exactly. Did you guys ever, the only thing I know about Baja racing is the Baja racing is the Baja 1,000? Like, growing up in Arizona, it was like, hey, it's taking place for a little bit of all November, whenever it is. Did you guys ever race in that? Yeah, I do it, I try to do it every year. Oh, yeah, because the NASCAR season ends like, like, the first week of November and the Baja 1000 starts the week and half after that. So it lines up pretty good. What's the, how different is it for you to get in a NASCAR? There I am on the top right.

Yeah. There you go. You get a little, little air there. Yeah, there you go. Not bad, dude. Not bad at all. What, um, how hard is it like kind of going from NASCAR, completely different car, completely different type of driving, completely different team to this?

Quite honestly, that's just, I go to like kind of unwind after the year. Like my cousins are doing it. We're down there drinking beers before the race. Like it's super low key. No doubt. Yeah. NASCAR is like a job. Like it's high pressure.

That's relaxed. Have fun with your family and friends. And go have fun. You mentioned the pressure of NASCAR. How hard. How much pressure did you guys put on yourselves when you first got the nod in the cup series? I mean a ton for sure. I mean like you work your whole life to get there.

And then it's like, right now it's even. harder to stay here. And so that's where that level of pressure comes from. And you go from like racing guys where it's like you're normally racing 10 guys for a win at like a lower series now. It's like everyone is super good. And you never know like what the weekend is going to bring. Like you could so easily just be a little off and it's the difference maker in your weekend.

Yeah. The crazy thing for me is like learning from guys that like you'll know early in the race how competitive you're going to be. 100%. How like how frustrating is that? the first lap in practice. No, in practice. Yeah, I mean, pretty good idea.

Like recently we practice it Friday? Thursday. Sometimes Saturday. It depends if you have like a full practice because then we're able to like make adjustments and like think on it and then qualify the next day, kind of like what we did this past weekend in Chicago, yeah. San Diego. But like normally it's 20 minutes of practice.

Then you're like fired into qualifying and you're like you just don't have time. You can't change the car really. Why not? You have a thousand. You have a thousand. guys, COVID. COVID, yeah. Too many masks.

These cars are triple boosted now. I get it. Okay, I see what you're saying. COVID. They took our practice away. Fruel. The mask deal, man. You'd be in the porta potty

and just pull that thing down. Just absolutely brutal, especially in the summertime. Just sweating on yourself. Dude, in the steam room 24-7. Yeah. Look like we'd a thong on our face.

Yeah. So COVID changed the entire game for you guys. Absolutely. Because who was on here? Was it last week or the week before somebody was talking about how was it Chase Elliott I think it was Larson

Carl Larson he was talking to us via Zoom talking about how much it's gone from you used to practice like Wednesday Thursday Friday like understand your car, be in the car more and now it's like you got 15 minutes and rip Has there ever been as drivers would you guys like to go back

to like the old school way? I would like that but like me and Zane never really got to experience the old school way like used to be able to go practice and go test all you want and now it's against the rules you're not allowed

to. That's so odd. Like if you are a kid wanting to go play basketball at Michigan, you can go to the backyard and put up a thousand shots. Yeah, absolutely. And it's every single day over and over and over. We can't do that. So you can do guys, but you can do the Sims, correct? Yeah, but like, all day every day, or is there a time limit on that as well? Not from NASCAR, but the manufacturer puts a time limit on it because there's so many drivers that they have to like. Oh, no way. Yeah. And like, honestly, like, Sim is so hit or miss. Like some weeks, it's like, okay, that actually correlated pretty well. And other weeks is like, man, this might have hurt us.

Yeah. And so like, that's, it's a little bit of a guessing game. But that's what makes like rookie season so ugly sometimes too. Like, I don't know, both of our rookie season. It's bad, bad, bad, bad. And it's like the back half gets a lot better. But like, I don't know, you're seeing it with Connor too. But I think that's from like, we just don't have time to like the next

Gen Cup car is like so much different than anything we've ever driven. And so, yeah, you get 20 minutes to figure it out. When you guys are in the off season, are you allowed to get behind the wheel a little bit more in your cup car? No, can't touch them. Can't touch them. Got some weird rules. The shops are in the offseason.

The shops are like a ghost town because all the cars are basically getting. And that's where we go and hit Baja and get after. Yeah. Have a couple BLs. Yeah, yeah. Relax a little bit. Put up 135, 10 times. Like it's nothing.

Mind if a white boy gets a little emotion? Yeah, I tell you what, dude, I was worried about you. when you got into that bar. I bet they was going to squeeze you for a second. And you put up no problem. Yeah. All right. What do you like to do in the off season?

What's your, uh, honestly, like a little beers. Yeah, pretty much just deleting beers. And, uh,

I like, I like spending time just fishing being out on water. Yeah. Typically go down to like the Florida Keys and spend some time down there and, yeah, just do a whole lot of nothing. A little offshore action. Hell yeah.

Dude, the Florida, something about the Florida keys. It's so much fun. Got some chickens running around. It's wild. It's so awesome. It just.

not feel real. No. And it's just like everyone just so much more laid back like Jimmy Buffett understood before all of us. Facts. And it's honestly like I was just down there right before the season started. And it's kind of it's turned into like a like a mini Nashville. Like everyone's playing live music.

Everyone's having a great time. Always some great weather at night. It's always a ton of fun. I'm with you. Last time I was there, I went into this like small bar like there was like a, I was walking down whatever the main street is and there's like an alleyway. It was like four or five bars. So at the end there was a band playing.

like some 41 blink 182 good like some yeah my like this is my number one genre of music and that is like kind of a vibe yeah it's kind of just a spot out there to hang out yeah besides smack and beers and getting rowdy what's your what's your go to in the off season i like to snow ski no you can do that contractually i actually i don't know i've actually never really read it i just i just been snowskien since i was like four so i just no way yeah that's crazy like in football when you sign a contract in the NFL you're not allowed to do essentially anything that could possibly hurt your body like if you get hurt off the football field that you practice on your contract could possibly be void oh damn so snowsky yeah i love it dude that's what happened

to kislauski before the season no he slipped in he slipped on two black guys that's like a it's close yeah you're the chase elliott broke chase elli yeah yeah he broke his leg no way from just slipping on black eyes uh kislaski did yeah oh Okay, got you. Nightmare scenario, man. Yeah, nightmare scenario. Dude, he was walking on a cane for like half. Yeah.

Something about a cage is kind of pamphed though, dude. Yeah. If you're going to have a cane, you can't do that, that medical bullshit gray one. Dude, you have to have one look at that. No, yeah. Yeah, like a carbon fiber, a little, little six on it. It was, yeah.

Yeah, that kind of goes hard. That stance is powerful, too. Media day. Yeah, I like that a lot. Yeah. What though? He was mad at me that day, dude. Yeah, really pissed him off, man.

What were you doing? Well, I went for the win of the Daytona 500, and he was trying to go for the win as well, and big wreck. Big wreck. Who ended up winning that race? My teammate, Tyler Reddick. Okay, so it ended up working out for you in your team.

Yeah. What is like the vibe after a race when you wreck somebody? And you guys are both clearly going. It's competitive. I'm assuming it's not intentional, but one of you guys is going to feel some type of way. Yeah, I mean, Zane was a, here too yeah this is a hectic glass lap but i mean this is this is our super bowl i've

probably heard that a million times yeah looks good right there now you is that you in the way car no zanes in that 38 up top you'll see the old three five coming into picture oh that's the white flag lap we need the next lap just a couple of here you go yeah zanes pushing jace elliot yeah i thought i had this for a minute so you're the second car right yeah i'm fourth right out of frame So I tried to set this up to win Where you got to back up for help I'm pushing my teammate there Just chase was all over it

And it just kind of stalled both of us I get up to try to get Kislauski and Oh damn Yeah I bet Redick was stoked though huh? He was pumped yeah He was fine He was pumped with me

He thought you a little piece of that bonus Or anything like that? No Okay Yeah sadly One thing I've learned about NASCAR Selfish industry We don't hook up our boys at all

Oh, do we? I mean, we're teammates, but we're not. Nah, that's understandable. I'm more talking about the pit crew boys. Okay. I have Paul Swan in here, and we've talked to Bubba and the fellas, like, we need to start normalizing giving gifts to your boys on Christmas. Yeah.

We got to start doing stuff like that, especially you help your boy out. You wreck the entire field so he can just go and take the check of flowers. That's a good payday for him. Yeah, yeah, pay day pay. What's something like that pay? You can probably look it up. Everyone's contracts. It's all.

Oh, everyone's contract. It's not like a buy. race sometimes like uh it could be like you're a set amount or or it could be a uh percentage of the first whenever the Daytona 500 takes home an estimated one point is that six 1.6 to two point two plus million dollars couldn't break you up a hundred piece you know what I'm saying I mean we set the record this year for the biggest purse for a 31 million bucks for what the race that's what it paid out from first to 40th no way yeah That is just crazy.

What did you finish in that race? I actually got eighth. I was eighth across the line. So you're sitting there in second or third. And it was a huge pay cut for me. Huge pay cut. Huge pay cut. To go from third to eight.

But if I would have won it, I would have been, that was it. Yeah, you would have gotten broken off. I would have gotten broken off. I would have got the biggest trophy, the ring, the Rolex, all of it. Oh, shit, you get a Rolex too? Yeah, I always forget you win a Rolex. That's got to be like the nicest little bonus. Oh, shit, I can get this.

I was going to buy this anyway. Yeah. $2 million. It gives you it. Instead, I'm just going to rip it up, dude. That's awesome.

Dude, I was looking at these notes before, and I read something, terrible herbst oil company. Is that your family? It is, yes. Okay.

Like, we looked up the estimated revenues from 2022. Yeah. You're talking about it. We, listen, we sat here and I'm like, yeah,

it's crazy. You know what you want to do? You're like, yeah, but it's scary because what if it doesn't work out? I'm thinking of myself, it's going to be all right for you. Hey,

We brought in a quarter billion dollars in 2022. No, more than that. More than that. You're deep. And what was the, it was the, God, the greatest showman, P.T. Barnum. The P.C. Barnum of the oil. Who's PT Barnum.

Have you seen greatest showman? I haven't. It's basically, I don't, if I say it the way I'm thinking, it's going to sound disrespectful, but P.T. Barnum, he, like, started the circus act. That's fine, yeah. And people were, like, upset about, like, because, like, shows back then should be, like, more classy.

and there's a way to live if you're on a fire in the play. See, actually that checks out, yeah, with how the nickname Terrible came about. So that makes sense. So is that actually the company's name or is that just added into Wikipedia part? No, it's Terribles. It's Terrible's first oil company. Yeah, my great grandfather started it in Chicago right next to the water tower there. Is that him right here?

No, that's my grandfather. So his father started it. And he had really bad asthma and they didn't have medicine at the time. So the doctor told him to move west. And so he'd go to a town, run everybody out of business. business by undercutting them on prices. And then once he ran everybody out of business, he would leave to the next town and do it again and do it again and do it again. And so there was a newspaper headlines saying that no good son of a bitch, Terrible Herbst is coming to town. Be careful.

And then when they got to Vegas, he just started his company called Terrible Herbst. Okay. All in shortness of breath. This guy, this guy could barely breathe, but he's still running everybody out of town. That is a dog. That is fucking awesome. Yeah. And is your family, we still own the business. We still do all the things? Yeah. But I kind of made a decision to like not go that way. Right, right. You don't want to. They said education, college education, big in my family.

And I said, I'm going to go turn left down in, down in the south. Okay. Riley's been in college for like 20 years. Yeah. And they're like, you are probably not making the best financial decision. You're definitely, I can promise you, you're not making the best. You could have the greatest NASCAR career of your life and you're not making the best version.

Yeah. So my cousins run it. My dad and my uncle run it. And, yeah, still in Las Vegas. And, dude, I read that the original home for your family is now a part of the MGM grand property. No, that was their original casino. Yeah. So if you pull up the MGM, that small little tower up front was the original one.

In Vegas? Yeah. In Vegas. See, the bottom one? Right. No. back. Go back. One down. Nope. Left. Right there. Yeah. So that that see that's nope to the right. Nope, to the left. The centerpiece. Yeah. See how that's like a, it's own building. And then they just built on to connect it.

So that was your family's. My grandfather's and his business partners. Yeah. Gotcha. So your grandfather goes in. He starts running in through town. See the 60s in Vegas. Undercuts the market. Undercuts the market. It gets to Vegas, gets a nice little sliver of the downtown store. It's drier. And he's like, yeah. That's wild. I didn't know that. And decides to start his own casino as well.

Yeah, I started the casino business too. Yeah. That was the building. Yeah. No way. And is your family in the casino business at all anymore? They have super small truck stop ones in towns you've probably never heard of. Firmly Nevada and just Searchlight, Nevada.

You've probably driven through Searchlight coming from Arizona. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. Is that near the Hoover Dam? Pretty close. Okay. Then, yeah.

Yeah. probably have done that drive a few times dude my brother would always my brother played um travel hockey okay yes you've seen it it was always anaheim california fun fact that is um that is the birthplace of harry reed the uh the long time politician really search like Nevada yeah okay i didn't know like a population of 800 people i also got to see a picture of harry read i need to see a picture of that oh you you know who he is yeah bro how do you know this guy how do you know this guy he was like like the third highest person in the u.s government for all was you really yeah Yeah, I know that, dude.

Shouted our government, dude. Weird kid. Weird kid. Weird kid. Yeah. Zane, you grew up in Huntington Beach. Yeah. When did, how did you get linked up with Riley and Noah?

So, yeah. I mean, I've known Riley all my life. Yeah. So my dad has worked for Riley's family for since I was born. And then Riley introduced me to Noah. I think I was, when I first met Noah, I was racing. go carts in like the Mandalay Bay parking lot. Supernats.

Or yeah. Yeah, yeah, the Rio parking lot. The Rio parking lot in Vegas. I think that was the first time I met Noah, but Noah was like, he was a big kid, man. And then didn't see him. Before the weight loss he was talking about.

Yeah. Then he went to military school. Before military school. Yeah, we started, yeah, we started racing in the bowling together. And yeah, we were all kind of buddies since then. But honestly, like, I was in Vegas with them.

pretty much every weekend racing at the Bullring, which is a little tracker outside the big speedway. And yeah, we would all kind of stay together. I would either stay at Riley's house or Noah's house on the weekend. And it was a ton of fun. That's awesome, dude. And so did you guys all decide to go to Charlotte together?

Was it like a team? He was first. Yeah. You were first on a roll? Yeah. So at first I lived like in a trailer park in my motorhome. And then my parents loved it out there as well. and like they were wanting to move out there eventually and they now do and kind of lived out in

the country and then I actually got like a fake ID and I got my first apartment. I was probably like 17 years old. Nice. And by then I was living out there full time. No shit. Yeah. So a boy grows up in a trailer park ends up in NASCAR. And everything I've heard about NASCAR is like you need.

I think Bubba was talking about like $250,000 a year just for him to be able to like do the race like get racing done like how much sacrifice did your parents make for you to be able to go race and do all those things yeah I mean mine was certainly uh different like how I got to this point so like at an early age there was like a group of investors that invested in me and if I was to make it to the cup series level then then I would pay them back once you should have a private equity company come in and be like we want this one black rock yeah black rock came in and snagged you yeah shut down private equity it's fortunately like all people that like no racing like you're not going to get anyone that's like financially smart to invest in this because the risk is insane.

Super high. But it was more so like of a sponsorship of like something that makes sense to do. And so that was how I got my opportunity to take that. That's a good story to the very top. Oh, yeah. I don't recall that. What happened? What happened here?

I just got wrecked. This is way back. man. 2018, I think. Yeah. It's got wrecked and we, we fixed it, went back out there and just, just, what's the headline there?

Destroyed both of us. But it was, um, archifined driver, Zane Smith for retaliatory act during Saturday's race at Salem. Oh. Oh, dang. I do not recall. I do not recall. Salem, dude.

Yeah. It was a trial taking place in there. Like, who were you retaliating again? Uh, being a nasty boy? No, I just got, I just got wrecked. And man, a big part of our sport is like, if you don't stand your ground, you'll just get eaten up. And so, yeah, our day was done. And we halfway fixed it.

And, yeah, settled the match. So you fixed your car to go handle business? Yeah, fixed it halfway. And I knew what I was going to go do. But yeah. I love it, dude. How much did you get fined? I don't remember.

I don't know. I think it was like a team fine. What did say on it? It was probably like points. It was five grand. Oh. What did you get? 70 racks for a cussing a ref out or 30 racks?

Yeah, it was like I find 30,000 for cursing out, um, a group of refs after a Jets game. Yeah, it was electric. Yeah. I love that clip. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah. I got find, I got to find a lot of money to the point I had a guy pull me in the pro bowl one

time. He's like, come with me real quick. It brings me to a computer in a big room. And he like pulls up all the fines and he showed me how much I, I've been fine through like five years of my career. And he's like, you understand you're just wasting so much money. Is there fines we don't ever hear about? Yeah.

How much was that number after five years? I think it was like 400,000. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Oh, no, it was like 360 something. And the funny thing about it is the guy who showed me that was John Runyon and John Runyon played for the Eagles. And he was, I think he was unanimously voted the most dirty player in the NFL like multiple

years running. Yeah, he also was a senator, I believe, is. well. You can tell him the story about Vrabel finding you for the being late to team. Oh yeah. So I was late. I was like two times in my to practice or to the facility in my NFL career. Once when I was a rookie I overslept called the coach. It was Ken Wisen on. He's like, hey, I'll go just get here. No worries. Nothing ever came of that. And then 2018 was Vrable's first year. I just signed a concert. Highest paid office alignment in NFL history. There we go. Big deal. Thank you so much. And it was like short lived like six months.

and at the end of the year, I was like, maybe top 10. But I was, I ran late and I called Vrabel on the way in because he's like, all I want to know is like, we don't want to be searching for you. We just want to know if you're going to be late, call us and tell us you're going to be late.

So I called him. I was like, hey, I'm running late. I'm really sorry, blah, blah, you're making all excuses in the world. And he just goes, hey, thank God you're rich and hung up the phone. And I thought, okay, like that's a funny joke by Bible. Go to practice, come back.

There's an envelope. It was like $10,000 or something like that for being fine. for being late to a team meeting by a couple of minutes. Dude, they'll get you. They will happen. And then when you repeal these fines.

Who gets the cash? The team? I think the team gets it. And then they like donate it. It's like it's a charitable donation. So I've done a lot of charitable work. I've done a lot of charitable work. No,

yeah. On and off the field. I forgot about this number. This is, yeah. Yeah. I had, I think the most,

what's the most I've been fined? Yeah, those are just a few. Got a list of them. Wow. Got a list of them. Taunting. I'll take you this, dude.

Some of these. RBS. I'm not. No, no, they're all real. Okay. There was one, I got a stinger, and we were playing Thursday night football, and the sky cam, it's, like, over my head. And it's, like, clearly zooming in on me, and I just go ahead him with one of these, like, one of those. And there's actually a photo of me, like, giving the finger to, uh, giving the finger to the sky cam.

I'm not that. That's when I got ejected from the Packers game. What did you do? Uh, they jumped off sides and hit Marcus Marriota. This was first, like, first drive of the game. It was the second drive of the game because the first drive of the game, we had a 75-yard run to the left. And so I was, I was in the game for, like,

more than half of DeMarco Murray's rush yards. And I was, like, proud of that. We ended up winning that game. But I got fined 30-something thousand for that. And my agent was like, oh, his head was getting looked at. He was disoriented. And they actually rescinded that fine and brought it back. So that was a big deal.

That was a big dub for me. A big dub. Once again, not my show. No, I love it, man. Not my show. It is your show. It is my show, but you guys are absolutely the guest. I love it.

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It says here the notes, Racing Family and Off Road Roots. What's scary for you guys, racing in Baja or Talaida? You already said Baja is like, just that's a chill session for you. Man, the only thing, the scary part about Baja racing

and Zane's done it too a little bit is just there's no fences. So the people, they get very drunk on some BLs. Yeah. And they stand in the middle of the road and see how long they can stand there until they want to run away from the moving vehicle going at 90 miles an hour.

Yeah. And it, yeah, like, it's just, like, this is the most psychotic photo I've ever seen. Yeah, it's just, like, it's not smart. And then they get super drunk and they'll throw snakes in the cockpit with you. It's just that. Hold on now. Let's, let's put a quick, let me get up on that. They put snakes in the cockpit.

Well, they're just. They're just trying to, like, get entertainment. They're just having fun. This is like their party. Like one of, uh, the, one of the, one of the, one of the, one of the, myself if that happened to me. Herb's trucks, they,

a cow came out and they smoked it at like probably what, 130? Yeah. And so like, that's, it's obviously really bad. This is old. 2011, yeah. So this is not,

not very scary. It's more just like, extremely entertaining. It's not scary for the driver. It's more scary for the individuals. The scary part for the driver is hitting somebody. Genuinely.

Yeah. Like all, in all seriousness, because that happens. And it's super sad. And, yeah, I'm sure going 130 miles an hour, Or even, yeah.

Yeah. That's gotta be awful. Was, um, so Talladega by far is, is much more terrifying than doing Baja. Is there ever a moment of like fear for you guys? Like a level of anxiety that takes place? I talked to so many drivers and they're like, yeah, I really don't get nervous before races.

Like for me, I would get, when the national anthem's playing on a Sunday afternoon and you're just sitting there staying across the field and you're just thinking yourself like, I hope to God I don't get found out today and exposed. Oh. Like there's a level of anxiety. And then once you get the first hit out of the way, you're back in it.

And you're like, all right. I mean, the super speedways for sure bring like a different level of like that feeling. Because like there's so much out of your control. So like, yeah, you're just a part of other people's mess. But I don't know about like scary. I mean, sometimes we will see a wreck where like someone might get upside down and get like airborne. And you're like, oh, gosh. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And especially like once the car, you know, you see some wreck. where they get into the catch fence. Like that's scary for, yeah, us, but the fans too. What was it, Larson at Daytona? Yeah. Yeah.

Awesome. Dillon. But the Super Speedways are always those races with those big wrecks. So like it's just kind of expected of like those things are going to happen there. Now the big wrecks, they happen on the bigger tracks or on the shorter on the shorter tracks more often. The big tracks. Super speedways. Okay.

Super speedways. Yeah. So when you're racing in a place like Atlanta this weekend when it's only a mile long track. there's not a lot of room for these massive big powerups. Well, they kind of, Zane can help me here. They kind of reconfigured it. So they just added a shit ton more banking.

So they just stood the corners up like straight up basically. So we could go wide open because the fans like that type of stuff. And so we're, we're wrecking them at Atlanta now. I mean, we're wrecking at Atlanta. The fans want it. They're gonna fucking get it, dude.

Yeah. I think Atlanta is like one of the most fun. It's sketchy, but it's a ton of fun. Like, it's a stochiness because of the bank. Well, it's a super speedway essentially, but everything happens 10 times as fast. So like a super speedway, like you have a lot of time to like think about a move you're going to make down the straightaway. And like, I don't know, there's a lot of time there. At Atlanta, like you get these huge runs and you got to do something with it.

And that's why the racing and the finishes have been insane there. And I've honestly enjoyed it. It's yeah, super sketchy and like, yeah, there's probably going to be a solid wreck this week. But like it's just hope you're not in it. Yeah, exactly. Just hope you're not in it, man. Pretty much. Is there anybody, go ahead.

Is there a track besides Daytona or Talladega that you find like really sketchy, maybe other than Atlanta too that just people wouldn't realize is kind of like you get yourself into more hairy situations and what meets the eye? I feel like Texas is sketchy. Texas, but I also thought this two weeks ago at, we raced on a Navy base in Coronado. Yeah. How was that? It was cool, but like you just keep pushing the edge of the envelope and then it's so slippery.

I mean, there's jet fuel, there's everything, there's curves, there's potholes. And so if you push it too much or you're done for it. Yeah. It would be nice to have a wax and crescent in that moment, huh? You're telling me, dude. Yeah, I know. Dude, at least 6% more grip. Yeah, exactly.

But we didn't have one. When you have jet fuel on the ground, you got to have it. It's slippery. It's everything to you guys, huh? When did you guys learn about the waxen crescent? Me and Noah and Briscoe learned about it together because we're on the same team. Yeah. And Stuart Haas's racing before it shut down.

And that's when we, you guys found out. Yeah. We're headed to Richmond, Richmond, Virginia. And we're like, why back in the 80s was Richmond all of a sudden so fast one time? And then we pulled up the moon phase and it was a waxing crescent. What made you pull up the moon face? Because we were doing our homework studying for previous races. And it was like, sometimes Richmond is like really fast and sometimes it's really slow.

And then we're like, let's see what the weather was. And then we didn't kind of stumbled upon it. No way. When you Google like, what's the weather? Like weather in Nashville right now, most of the time will come up. with the moon face tonight. Let me check that. Scroll down.

Yeah. Let's see what's going on here. It's a Stuart Haas legend right there. Let's see here. Moon face. Weather? Yeah. 81 degrees in Nashville, Tennessee as I'm speaking.

Sunsets at 807 p.m. All right, yeah. All right. Next full moon is in 22 days. There you go. It's a last quarter moon, whatever that means. Yeah, who knows, man. Who knows?

The only thing we worry about is the waxing crescent. That's correct. Yeah. Dan, what did you figure out with the waxing moon? I was never. Crescent, excuse me. I was never a part.

I always hear Noah just yap about this. And it's never, never worked out for me, no matter what, no matter what the moon is. Right. Does Noah talk about it enough for you to go look into what moon is going to take place?

Yeah. I mean, honestly, it used to be like Legos. Noah used to only really talk about that it became, became just moon phases and eventually it became in one year out the other yeah i feel like with no there's a there's a finite amount of time of actually listening to him you just got to find piece it's like

a little remote you just got to yeah hit the mute button on that i did it how about uh what's your sock game like my sock dude i was down a dangerous road of like my lucky my lucky socks yeah um some serious athlete's foot taking place i have double athletes foot right now do you really yeah so disgusting man i got it so bad when i was younger so my love foot all All right, but my right foot's the one that burns sometimes. He thought he had bunnies too. Yeah, I did. I thought I had a bunion, but I know.

My foot just bangs against the inside of the, like, tunnel of the car. And it calluses and calluses and calluses and so it gets super wide. So it gets a little bigger. I can pull it out if you want. Yeah, I'll take a peek. All right. Just foul, dude. You see it's like.

You get that ain't away from me, man. You see how it's like that? Yeah, yeah. I thought that was this incoming bunion. I don't see a whole lot of athletes foot on that foot. No, it's in between my toe. Oh, okay. See, how it's purple and shit?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a little yucky. Yeah, that happens, man. You had to put some, uh, some that spray on there. Dude, I had it so bad. It was like from like my toes and then we'd go up my feet a little bit. No, I don't have that, dude. I feel like I was starting to scale up a little bit. I guess bad as relative.

That was, that sounds terrific. Yeah, yeah. I was like 10. I think puberty was just starting to make its way into my world. Gotcha. And then the sock, my hygiene must have not been great. Still not awesome. Like, I don't have the best hygiene in the world.

but you just keep it pushing no matter what, you know? Yeah. So lucky sock. Yeah. I had like these like slot machine socks where like majority of my truck wins. I was wearing those socks. And then eventually you're just like, this is actually like super fucking disgusting. Yeah.

Yeah. And and then yeah, now I just rip whatever comes comes to mine first. But honestly like I've been down the road of like lucky underwear. which is also like super gross but I mean they're always like fresh it's just like those are those are my sunday underwear you just want to make sure those are clean by sunday you guys have that in the football world some guys are stitious I'm not very stitious I like to um I would have like a routine in the way I would get you know ready for a game it's cold type of a certain time chiropractor are different cold shower before we'll listen to the same song in the shower without headphones on are you still a

big cold plunge guy dude I do I've actually been lacking big time in cold Bull tops for the past few months, but I have one at the house. He loves them. Riley introduced me to a coal plunge. Yeah. Best thing in the world. Dude, it's the best thing they do in the morning. It's the hardest thing to do in the morning.

But if you can do those three minutes. Starting your day out shitty is. Buddy. Yeah. You get out of there. You feel like you're just, it's a level of high. Yeah. That's like, okay, I'm going to ride this to about 2.30.

Like you can never get used to it as wild. Yeah. Like there's levels of like, um, tolerance maybe. Tolerance will get a little bit better. The more consistent you do it. but it's always like that I don't want to fucking do this right now. And then you're going to do it. And then once you get out, you're like, I'm so glad I did this.

But I've looked at my cold tub the last shit. Since April, Ben just like, I got to get in there. And I'm like, tomorrow, get in there. My disciplines have not been great. Cold shower is so much worse than a cold plunge. See, I don't mind the cold. I think the cold shower, you just get in there, you hit it fast. And it's the friction of the skin to me that saves me a little bit.

That cold plunge, like, there's no, there's no getting away. Because the more you move, the worst it's going to get. We had one of our breaks the barrier. Exactly. During his wedding, we were like on an island and like we were all in these like huts and like we were like,

this is during the off season. We were all like pretty hung over and everybody had cold showers. And we would literally all be like turning on the shower probably at the same time. Me and Riley would be like how long you stare at that thing, man. I just don't want to get in it. It has to get warmer, man.

Is there a really? any um what like what put you on cold tubs like is that like a oh uh so we're in uh coba this is right after i won the uh truck series championship and uh we flew out with uh riley and went down there and there's like this like uh i don't like men's lounge type deal where it's like a sauna and yeah sounds sounds bad but yeah uh there's like a cold plunge oh yeah there's us oh yeah that was me that was the night out right there. That's you. Yeah.

Squid Row will get everybody, man. Dude, Squidrow will take you down. Squid row is undefeated. Yeah, that's super bad. Yeah. But I remember I was like next level hungover and Riley's dad was like in the cold plunge and just sitting there like I just thought it was like pretty much a hot tub or like room temperature water.

And I remember walking in there and like I was in shock and I had like never heard about it or anything. And I went from like, deathly hung over to walking in there and instantly cured. And so since then, I'm like, these are cold plunge, man.

Cold plunge is the absolute game. It's the starter pack of all health and wellness. Yes, facts. Have you ventured into any more biohacking things? Sona guy. Yeah, I'm a big sauna guy.

Infrared or traditional? Infrared. Got you. So I got kind of a funny story. I raced, I did a cup race, like, it was just a one-off deal at Martinsville, and my everything cooling failed. And it was like the hottest I've ever been inside the car. And I ordered a, like a, it was a nice sauna, but I ordered it on Amazon on my way home as my wife drove me home.

And I'm like, I'll never be that miserable in the car again. And so like, you're supposed to only sauna for like 15 minutes, 20 minutes until you like you break a sweat. But like I'll, I enjoy like sitting in there for like an hour. No shit. just like, yeah. Yeah, the infrared, they'll get to like 165. Yeah, that's what I can see,

165. It feels way hotter than 165. Dude, those, yeah, because they have those fucking panels and then for whatever reason it cooks you from the inside out. Literally you're sitting like on the panel.

I went through the infrared for a little bit. I'm definitely into the traditional now and I'll do like 200, 200 degrees at 20 minutes and I'll hit that like three, four times a week, but there's like HGH protocols you can do that are just horrible.

That's like with the rocks. Yeah, it has like the traditional rocks, but like the protocol you do is like you 30 minutes at 200 degrees and you get out and you just air cool for five minutes and immediately get back in for another 30 minutes. And it's like you're talking to God type of like you just feel horrendous. Then you take a couple hour break and you go back and do the same 30 minutes, five minutes, 30 minutes, and on a cold tub. After you do it, you feel amazing or super drained, but you should only do like once every week every couple of weeks.

And it's supposed to trick your pituitary gland into releasing like testosterone, healthy things in your body that can grow muscle, recovery, all those things. Yeah. It's interesting, dude. There's so many things in the biohacking world that's just nuts. Have you heard of NAD?

Yeah. Have you done it? Yeah. Dude, how miserable. The drip? Yes. Dude, it was, it was crazy.

So we all, shout out COVID. We all got COVID and we were headed on a family vacation. And we have some buddies back home. right when this kind of started saying that this will help the COVID stuff. And so we all got the IV drips of NAD. And that's a head rush, man. Yeah.

That's crazy. Dude, the NAD is so crazy because it's like the number one fountain of youth Joe you can do. But while you're doing it, you feel like you have the flu. It's insane. Yeah, you feel you're going to throw up. I've thrown up multiple times doing it. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Dude, the first time I did NAD, so like the normal amount that people do now, like the max was like 750 of N8. of NAD And the guy I met He was an anesthesiologist And he was starting the IV He was Adam Bobo

He was a company called Eritay here in Nashville He's like, hey FDA have done studies Up to 1700 or 1850 Of NAD So we'll just, we'll do that So I would do 1850 of NAD Straight to the dome And him and him and my wife

Would get high and play Mario Kart While I for three hours Like sat on this drip And just felt like I was absolutely dying It was the most horrendous experience In my life It is a crazy feeling why it makes you feel like that.

Yeah, but after, dude, I mean, cognitively, you feel fantastic. It's, yeah, it's supposed to be unreal. Have you done it? No, no, no. Never even heard of it. It's awesome. It's horrible when you do it.

But once you're done, you feel like a million domestic. You feel good about it. Anyway, all of it. That's that. Do you guys want to play a little game? Let's do it. All right, we're going to put up some photos for you guys. Oh.

And we're going to give you one, you're going to get one word to describe the individual that you see. Yeah. All right. You're excited? You don't look very excited about this. I don't know. Just the photos.

I don't know what's one you're going to get. I hope they're like fun photos. I hope they are too. I haven't even seen them. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. This is if you're mad about any of them, the two guys in the back, they're the ones that did this. All right, first photo. Oh.

Boss. Rich. Rich. Nice. Okay. All right. Next photo. Unique.

I was going to say I was going to say that you actually stole it all right next photo oh my god mess hot mess hot mess hyphenated

is yes yes is there any individual more psychotic than this guy right here no he's just it depends if he's on his medicine or not he's on that riddling that riddling game yeah whatever hi-hires man

High dose guy. High dose guy. Are you guys able to share the story of why he went to military school? Yeah, I would love to hear that. I had no more. I mean, just enough was enough, right? Like, yeah. I don't know if there was like a specific incident where it's like,

no, it was not a specific. Here's like a good example of like, no, when I first went over to his house, it was like everything was very like clean, immaculate. It was like his room was over here and his sister's room was on the other. And like you'd see a sister's room and it was like spotless spotless. You go in Noah's room and dude, it's just a, it's a train wreck. It's not even like a normal 12 year old kids room. I guess just like.

Dude, he had like a nice shower with like every sticker you could think of from all over the glass. And then he had an obsession with like Noah starts his career, pole position go card like indoor go car track. And he would keep like every sheet. You know when you go to a go car track, you get that little sheet of paper? Like, where you ranked? Like, I was fourth today. Like, he would, like, save it and, like, hang it up on his wall. I've been to a go car.

They give you a sheet. Shout out, Cracker Jacks in Arizona. Shout out. They give you a sheet. It's like, where are you placed? Yeah. Okay. Like, you know, I never got that.

Like, literally, I have never, I think every time I've, like, went to an indoor go car place, I've never once looked at one of those. But, like, he would save. Dude, I mean, like, a hundred of them. And, like, stapled into his, on this wall. Very nice home. Oh, no shit. And also had like, everybody that came in his room signed the wall.

Like, did like the gardener. Yeah, the gardener is the pool, man. Like, it's just, it was out of hand, man. Like, it would be like a Coke can. Like, no, let's throw like this thing. You know where I got that Coke can, man? This is such a cool design. It'd be like, he would do see his brain would get infatuated with the designs of Coke cans.

Or just like random. Just like, yeah. Like he would, he might have stole something from this bus, man. As like an antique to remember when he was on the show. Yeah. You should probably check. Check the cameras. I wonder, dude.

You know what we should do is after the podcast and just keep the cameras rolling just in case. See if you like snag something to leave no doubt. Yeah. So there wasn't like a unique story, but it was just like, it was just probably a lot to manage. I can't imagine. I'm assuming you guys don't have kids, correct? No. Okay.

I can't. I have two kids, one in the way. I cannot imagine the way you're explaining Noah as a child, like being the parent and not sending them to. military school. It's got to be. At some point, as a parent, you're going to be like, we can't fix this. And then all of a sudden, he finds his thing. He's obviously clearly very successful.

That's good for him. That's awesome. It all worked out. But at 12 years old, being like, hey, honey, the gardener just signed the wall. First off, the gardener needs no better. Sign the fucking wall. What are you looking to a 12 year old kid for? And the bad thing, you've clearly probably told your kid multiple times, like, please stop having people sign the wall.

And he's like, don't fuck that. I know, like, he didn't, I bet you he like told the gardener, hey man, like, come, come inside. I need you just, like, sign the wall. And then I know, Noah's mom was probably like, no, do not let him sign that wall. Just ignore, man. Just ignore.

She's cool, man. She's cool. Don't worry about her. She doesn't sign your check or anything. She's like, I don't fucking, okay. That's so funny. No, every signature was on that wall, man. All right.

We got a, we got one more photo. Yeah. Oh. Yeah bum fuck I don't know Bum fuck That's two words That's two words

Hiphonated Bum You could yeah You could unhyphanate it Just for one I just I don't like how he drives With his shield open

Pisses you off It does That's not the way You should be driving cars No it's just that I said one word man I know man That's a headline

Yeah give me one word Give me one word We can talk about him And Hmm His fans are the worst part Have you ever seen like I'm thinking go for it

Zane? You're seeing like the South Park huge guy that's like typed in on the keyboard Yeah yeah yeah

yeah trolls Those are like all All this fans So the fans come for you huh? Yeah God

Yeah he's at the worst Fans is what you're saying Pretty much Oh I mean I feel like The whole industry I don't think that's gonna bode well

I don't think that Clip is gonna bode well For the fans in your relationship Yeah for sure That's it That's them right there That's them right there

That's fucking funny Carson Hose Ofers fan base Very much right there So his fans are the worst part of him or he's the worst part of him? Both. Yeah. Okay.

Both. Yeah. I mean, yeah, both. All right. Hey, you know what I love? A good storyline. I love something that just gets people more invested into what's going to go happen and in this case on the track every Sunday.

Yeah. And there's going to come out and his fans are going to be walking to your car and they'd be like, oh, fuck you, say. Fucking piece of shit. It's a lesser. Yeah. It's kind of nice to be hated sometimes. Yeah.

People go out. give you some shit, get after it. And then you win. And you're like, what you're saying? Okay, what's your word? A nuisance. A nuisance. That's awesome.

Nucence. I mean, how's, that word checks out perfectly. A nuisance. Like a gnat. All right, fair enough. This is my favorite driver, by the way. I know it is. He's my favorite driver.

Never met him. Yeah. He rocks 77. I love, and I have your face right now. Like, our relationship's dead in the water. I appreciate it. Here's why, here's why, dude,

every single driver that's come on this bus, well, you guys have been the most blunt about it, but after I'll be like, no, fuck that guy, the way he drives, all this.

I think Larson said, um, basic question, like, basically said, I don't respect the guy because the way he drives. And something about some dude

just solely sitting on an island and being hated by everybody, essentially the Joker from Batman is just like, he's like, yeah, fuck it. Does he have any friends? friends at NASCAR.

I might meet him and hate him. Yeah. I'm so new to the game. I might just be, you know. I don't think you'll hate him. I mean, he's. Yeah. I don't think you'll hate him.

He's got some friends, right? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. But he's not you guys. No, and like a lot of it's like an act to get people to like buy in on it. The Jersey Jerry bit, man. He's got me. Is that what you're saying?

Yeah. Yeah. He's Jersey jared me. Yeah. Damn it. But I mean, it good for him. But like, to be fair, I don't. really have many friends either. It's just like Zane and Noah. Yeah. What a top two friend group to have,

though. Yeah, just three electric friends. Yeah, you look at those two boys. You're like, I got them. That's all I need. Yeah. I love that. I love that. But Zane puts it best, like, because I don't know, you've been to, you came to Nashville, right? Yeah. Yeah. Did you see the driver intros at all? I don't think I did. Well, they like hurl you onto this thing, like cattle. Oh, so I've been a part of that before. And Zane's like, what do you say? Like, Why am I going to try to small talk with you? It's like, yeah, like whenever, I don't know, someone like that where you'll have like run runs ins with like certain guys and you'll have that throughout your career with like certain people. Like he'll like try to talk to you after saying like, hey, we're not like, I don't talk to anybody out there.

Like he's full of shit. Like he tries to be your buddy and then we'll like go and screw you. And so it's like just don't talk to me in the first place because like one, I don't like you. and we're going to eventually have a run in together. So like that's just not talking the first place. Yes, you're drawing a line in the sand right away. Yeah.

Is there, was it actions that you've seen that made you be like, no, no, fuck this guy. I don't want to deal with him or is it actions towards you? Honestly, like my approach with like Carson because like he's fast.

Like, so me and him had a run in together at, uh, at Iowa. And like we've like raced hard and whatnot and like, there's difference between like certain guys will like race you hard like he'll just put us both like in a bad spot

to where it's just like costing us lap time like neither of us are benefiting from it. Yeah. And so like that part gets like frustrating but I remember it's like made a mistake or I don't know if he made a mistake but wrecked us and then like I'm not

he spends the rest of the race like waving at me like playing nice guy of like oh man I'm so sorry so sorry and then goes on social media and like post like uh admit one like i don't give a fuck like take a number yeah like when you're at the deli line it's so yeah no shit so it's like if you're gonna be the guy like hiding behind social media like i don't know that's a coward in my opinion like act like act that way in person like say that to my face yeah and it's like all right like i'm gonna be the same way but don't be one way like in person and then hide behind your phone and as if you're not going to see it then pretend like be

friends all over again. Yeah. That makes sense. I can understand why that's extremely frustrating. Is this guy, I mean, everything every week, is he in a wreck every single week?

Yeah, yeah, he causes stuff pretty often. Yeah. And is he also the one he's being pulled out of the race as well? Or is he like causing a wreck and somehow getting out of it?

Definitely getting out of it. Yeah. So that's got to be even more infuriating. Yeah. I mean, like, I don't know. You don't like,

you don't like try to just like go down a road of like, oh my gosh, I hope he, he gets wrecked or something like that. Like you're focused on your own own race, but it's just, it's, yeah,

the behind, hiding behind the phone is what's the most annoying part. How hard is it for both of you to keep your composure when you're having run-ins like this, whether it's Carson or somebody else? Like, I'm sure there's been multiple times throughout your career. There's always going to be a bad guy in your mind of like,

okay, he's done X, Y, and Z to me. And you're on the racetrack. You're right next to each other. Like how, how difficult is to have the discipline to focus on your race? and not focus on the individual next to you.

Well, it's, it's tough, at least for me in the beginning, because, like, sure, if it happens on, like, week seven, you got, like, 32 more together. Mm-hmm. Or if, like, you get into a run-in with, like, Josh Norman. I don't know if you'll see him again until maybe the playoffs or something like that. Yeah, I haven't seen him since. Yeah, exactly. So, like, for us, it's like, man, you kind of don't want to get ran over, but it's also,

like, you guys kind of have to coexist for 39 weeks of the year. And so, like, I don't know. It's a weird dichotomy. Yeah, you got to, there's definitely a balancing act that has to take place because you have to stand up for yourself. Yes. But also you have to realize, like, there's a line that you can't cross because if you do, they could take it one way. Yeah. And you have a career to worry about.

You have a whole season to worry about. So it is, it's a fascinating dynamic that this guy's kind of put into the NASCAR world as just a viewer sitting back and watching it all unfold as if it's a storyline, truly entertainment for me. Like, you guys are sitting in a world of like, this is your careers. I'm sitting here as a fan of the sport watching. Yeah, that part's great. Yeah, and so it looks. It's fun. It's much different.

Yeah, it's fun. It's more fun for the viewer to see these things. I'll tell you what, dude. When's somebody going to swing on this guy? When somebody... They can't now. You get 75 grand. 75 grand immediately.

Yeah, but also like, you know... Come on. We all know the story of the bully, right? Like, there's always the schoolyard bully. He's a jerk. He treats people. He takes people's lunch money. He's a little bit bigger than everybody else.

And all it takes is one kid. Just kiss him right. the chin and then all of a sudden that bullies acting a little bit different someone's got to step to the line you know i don't know why i'm trying to talk you guys into fighting and take 75 grand he's like uh just something to think about he's like uh the slim reaper like kd man he's tall lengthy yeah yeah yes he's got some reach in him a lot of reach and honestly i would have been like hey he'll probably take you no problem but after watching that bench press like you got 135 for 10 yeah 135 for 10 10 you did your body weight 10 times yeah something like for the kid extremely impressive yeah thank you

So if you guys went toes, you think he'd get in that body a little bit? Oh, we're talking octagon? Yeah, we're talking octagon. All fair and love and war. Yeah, man, I feel like I got, man, I feel like I got the endurance. I think I could wear them out. Yeah. Just be a, be a nap-in-knit.

I'll be the nuisance. But yeah, be the nuisance over and over and over again. Zaneski? I would love to. You've woke it up with a smile and so I would be like, man. You're dreaming about smacking them. You've paid many of fines, man. If you'll pay my fine.

I won't pay your fine. But I don't make what I used to make. Back then I was like, hey, this is just, we're fine. Write it off. Now I look back in the mind, I really should have fucking thought about this. Yeah, I could have used that, right? Yeah, could have used that. That'd have been nice to have.

Yeah. They don't tell you that football just ends abruptly for you sometimes. Yeah. It gets out of there. But yeah, 75, I feel like there'd be a go fund me. Yeah, we, yeah, there's a go-to-fund me. You're right about that. They'd be a go-fumme.

And it would at least, like, let's just take 40%, 50% of that final way. Now it looks a whole lot nice. Yeah. And you can write it off. The question is true. It's two thirds. Now you're kind of locked in. It's got a freebie.

It's a freebie. Yeah. For the kids. Yeah. Exactly. For the kids, dude. For the kids. We'll start a 501c3.

We can just take it. Yeah. All of us. Your money. Our pockets. Perfect. People helping people. That's powerful stuff.

It moves the world, man. It moves the world. Boys, do we have any more questions in the back? Anything? Good. Gentlemen, I appreciate you coming on this show, dude. And thank you for me to open and honest about it. This is awesome.

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