café snake - dossier crypto-épique de santé

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

Daphné enquête sur Epic Systems, la compagnie chargée d'implanter le Dossier Santé numérique. Mounir revient sur la première fin de semaine de Coachella.Plus: Whimsy en force, La Presse comprend...-elle les marchés de prédiction? PSPP a Rebel NewsPatreon: patreon.com/cafesnakeNotesWhimsy en forceWhy so serious? How whimsy became the new dating app buzzword, Times, https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/sex-relationships/article/why-so-serious-how-whimsy-became-the-new-dating-app-buzzword-dj7xk9f67La Presse et les marchés de prédictionsLa guerre sera terminée dans deux mois, Francis Vailles, La Presse, https://www.lapresse.ca/affaires/chroniques/2026-04-09/selon-les-parieurs/la-guerre-sera-terminee-dans-deux-mois.phpDossier Santé NumériqueLes problèmes commencent au Dossier santé numérique, Alexandra Fortin (mars 2026), Radio-Canada, https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2239638/dossier-sante-numerique-epic-systemsDossier santé numérique : la firme choisie par Québec a connu des ennuis dans le monde, Alexandre Duval (2023), Radio-Canada, https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2007903/dossier-sante-numerique-epic-systemsArticle norvégien (2023): https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/ny-undersokelse-om-helseplattformen-_-ni-av-ti-leger-mener-pasientsikkerheten-er-truet-1.16573375An Epic Dystopia, Robert Kuttner, The American Prospect, Octobre 2024, https://prospect.org/2024/10/01/2024-10-01-epic-dystopia/Epic Systems, a lethal health record monopolist, Cory Doctorow, Octobre 2024, Medium, https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-10-02-upcoded-to-death-thanks-obama-566fc045fc73Balado de Fred Savard (avec la chercheuse de l’IRIS Annie Plourde), https://www.fredsavard.com/saison-7/contrer-loptimisation-embrasser-les-margesSur le radar : sa plus récente étude sur une révolution du financement de la santéVisite des bureaux de Epic Systems par The Wall Street Journal : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw27tlKcO7Q&t=319sÉpisode de café snake mentionné par MounirNostalgie Maxxing

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Starting point is 00:03:59 pretty id genius, but I had talked about with Wimsy quality in our predictions
Starting point is 00:04:03 2006 at each the beginning we're doing that an episode and I had predication.
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Starting point is 00:04:14 return in the actual that's the first of the end there's an article that
Starting point is 00:04:20 there's not the New York Times but Times British who did that Wimsy
Starting point is 00:04:25 is been a buzzword in the dating apps, notably on Inge. It's like in the number of
Starting point is 00:04:33 profiles on which mentioned the word whimsy had gripped of 143% and even that the
Starting point is 00:04:42 research Google on the word Winzie had augmented to the last 12% in the last 12
Starting point is 00:04:49 months, and even that his social social such Instagram, X or TikTok, was also
Starting point is 00:04:56 really in forth of croissance. It's an article, in fact, that's that's that's used in a
Starting point is 00:05:02 context of dating. And I'm like the impression that, there's a there's a tendency,
Starting point is 00:05:08 and it's not to ignore, but that this article media is derived of a community of
Starting point is 00:05:14 press that emmene or even the kind of the kind of the space of national
Starting point is 00:05:18 that detient I think it's match groups who has said to do make a image public
Starting point is 00:05:24 in surfant on on a tendency, justly, because their actions degringole in in Bourse, from at least 2022. There's really what we call a dating app burnout, so
Starting point is 00:05:35 the people are tannies, but we also said that the applications who are motivated to make these profits exponential, well, the field of time, what it's that's the product in-so, the application is a deteriorate. It's a process of emmerdification
Starting point is 00:05:51 or denchitification, so the inch of year five years, it's the Inge of today. And it's like if there we're trying to give a good
Starting point is 00:06:01 image. I'm the impression that's to say that yeah, even on the app, there's
Starting point is 00:06:05 kind of possibility to be in an enchantment, in a form of ingenuity, of genuities, of spontaneity,
Starting point is 00:06:13 which me seem to be, in the time that in the time that I'm relatively absent, it's been
Starting point is 00:06:20 very formulaic, you know, ING, it's based on the principle to respond to respond to questions. There's, there's kind of something in the
Starting point is 00:06:26 construction of your image of your and your profile, something where you're going to fill up your formular. No, but he's called it, they're all in plus. Exactly, so it's a loting, can even, of a form of spontaneity. I'm approaching to DJ News, I wanted about Paul Sebir Plamondon, who is
Starting point is 00:06:41 a interview at Reville News, and Alexander Relay, who has received Mark Carney on his channel YouTube slash Instagram. Paul Seabre Plamondon, it has kind of made the controversy. Why I'm in a rapport with the interview of Alex Spix?
Starting point is 00:06:57 Because it's a little the same thing that's about, is that, to say, on the way, we're like, all the whole in fact, and the interview in-tack-
Starting point is 00:07:04 is not particularly good, but I never been a fan of Alexa Lavoie, like, especially, like he these questions, who are really
Starting point is 00:07:12 formulated, like clearly, there's no any, you know, it's clearly, it's, you know, it's clearly, it's, like,
Starting point is 00:07:21 There would have to be more of petrol. We're sitting on gas. And then is like, well, no, not really. There's not like in Alberta. Passing at the immigration. Ah, the prayer of the rue. At least to, like, to talk about rebel news,
Starting point is 00:07:32 and is, is it a media? It's not a media. You know, I mean, to do you know, especially I'm making the video like, Rebel News is not a media. It's not a media. No, it's not a media in terms of it, they partage of the pieces
Starting point is 00:07:45 mediatic. Is it a branch militant of a movement more, and is Relevant, the founder, in the funder, in the funder, in the phone, it's like Steve Bannon? Yes, but is it not a media, I mean, it's not a media, yeah, it's not a media of information, if you want, I'm not attached to this label that. Why?
Starting point is 00:08:04 Because the world are not attached to this label that. The world, they're presented, the pieces mediatic. If there's a clip of this interview that had been viral, the virality would have not been focused around if Rebel News is considered as a media of information by the Council of Press. To the way to, like, to stop, oh, my God, you know, who it's giving an interview to them, but, let's find out of the interview
Starting point is 00:08:26 in-time-tel, PSPP, I think he's really, like, in trying to get sloan, and, you know, it's the attention, it's there, and then we've seen, and then it's been in the time, and it's going to be the image that he had cultivated
Starting point is 00:08:39 like, after the election of 2022, with all the thing that was on the Sermon-Roy, the guy who is, like, who defends, his values, but he's ready to be to remit in question.
Starting point is 00:08:48 There's really an espouse of a sufflement of a year of a top of the top of the sundage where is you see a little he parle to a lot of people
Starting point is 00:08:57 that he envisaged so much as as a premier minister that he talk as a premier minister and the politicians more they're
Starting point is 00:09:05 long in power more we're even if you're not in power if you're not if you're actually you're not I'm a first
Starting point is 00:09:11 you're going to make the decision impopular well you you're to come even not
Starting point is 00:09:16 six months before the elections to be to be passed by the Party Liberal of Quebec, who has a chef that is almost mediatically inexistent.
Starting point is 00:09:25 So, so there's there also that we see the base electoral on the government, you know, when I say, the base electoral
Starting point is 00:09:29 is just the baby boomer. The baby boomers, they don't even not be able to talk to talk for you, they've got to never, like,
Starting point is 00:09:37 anything said of interesting and he's there's already at their time, I think it's really that,
Starting point is 00:09:41 they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're best, they're best, I think my opinion to me, I think
Starting point is 00:09:48 that the people who are the people who are they're going to have to have been to have to you vote for you like mysteriously
Starting point is 00:09:54 but everything after the time the end up the election, so that's after we don't get until we're doing, it
Starting point is 00:10:00 because in Quebec we're to come new for change Pauline Marwa who decalach for having a government
Starting point is 00:10:08 majoritarian while the audubes adone majorterter, and it's finally with a majorter
Starting point is 00:10:12 liberal in a campaign of a country of It's the kind of of things that's constantly in Quebec
Starting point is 00:10:17 when there's when there's a campaign electoral we're seeing the political and we see the little
Starting point is 00:10:22 the little controversy the year so we're so we're yeah but I'm but I'm
Starting point is 00:10:27 there I'm going to make in rapport with the interview of Alexander with Mark Carney
Starting point is 00:10:32 because again again again we're we're we're we're doing these
Starting point is 00:10:37 interviews to some we're doing the same with assembly where's in the
Starting point is 00:10:43 common section in the sections commenter in fact, we're more more more than the
Starting point is 00:10:49 interview is made more than the content that's the interview and when I look the two interviews that's not that's
Starting point is 00:10:57 that's a way, with Alex it's still, I'll explain because I'm because I'm that's what you
Starting point is 00:11:04 mentioned constantly in the video because the video is not I'm an interview it's like a video, it's like a video
Starting point is 00:11:09 a matter on its project to her but it's but it's a vlog always rave
Starting point is 00:11:15 to interview Mark Carney in the first year of the first of the question, because it's
Starting point is 00:11:21 cool, I guess. What are the questions we're going to ask? Is it what your
Starting point is 00:11:25 color prefer to Mark Carney? But it's that, you know, it's no offense.
Starting point is 00:11:30 I thought just that the interview in time of there was there really there really not like
Starting point is 00:11:37 in total concess of his dossier and the way to just push
Starting point is 00:11:41 a little more to change to she, she, She's like, I'm going to hear of the
Starting point is 00:11:46 media of information are put on on Instagram when they're going to come to do you're going to do you know, I think I'm
Starting point is 00:11:54 like I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, she's like, she says the newvel.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Yeah, she said the newfound she's not on the social. So, there's kind of
Starting point is 00:12:04 matter of confusion, there's not there's no no, you know, that's named clearly,
Starting point is 00:12:08 in fact. When I I'm when I explain, it, I was a journalist at Radio Canada, and I loved it, but there were no news on Instagram. And that's important for my generation,
Starting point is 00:12:23 who's important, who's information, who's informed, very, very, on the radio social. So, now I'm looking at can the return of the news on Instagram? I think it's necessary to have Radio Can, by example, Sub-Intyre in English, to have a diffuser, an importer, any part of any kind of, which is well remunered, which is objective, which is a source fiable of the
Starting point is 00:12:49 information, of the data, and that represent the opinions diverse. In the same time,
Starting point is 00:12:56 there are many channels like Instagram, TikTok, and all that other opinions. But I asked if you
Starting point is 00:13:03 had to have an accord where the media canadiens could come on on the
Starting point is 00:13:09 cartons for the instance? Ah, it's possible. It's possible. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. We'll have a review
Starting point is 00:13:15 to see the last year of course. You know, I'd say, the question on the law C-18 and the news on Instagram, like, I mean, I'm sorry. But I think he can have also
Starting point is 00:13:22 a kind of lost in translation in the sense where I'm not the impression that the capacity of the language French of the language of Karnie are super
Starting point is 00:13:31 Fee. She, she asks to Trump, you can be slacken a little? Because I have the impression that he can
Starting point is 00:13:36 pease on a piton and to kill me to make sure. It's all. In Quebec. Okay. And I don't know
Starting point is 00:13:43 in which Cause he He's Coney he's CASE T, you know, clearly Karnie has
Starting point is 00:13:47 not not quite because he said oh, well, for me, it's important that
Starting point is 00:13:50 Radio Kahn be well, I'm in the same segment because there have been two interviews with the
Starting point is 00:13:56 media alternative and and the politicians high profile it's not for compare
Starting point is 00:14:02 I know I know, I know, you know, you say, Radio Kahn is that the controversy
Starting point is 00:14:07 for your media but it's not to in this optic that I mean, but if I just that it's interesting, that the two are that's interesting,
Starting point is 00:14:14 but again, in the section commenter, on the way to talk about the interview, and it's a little with Rogan, what's
Starting point is 00:14:20 that's going to what's going to get to be sure, the media of information are so much by the ecosystem mediatic that
Starting point is 00:14:27 he comment more that than the content of the interview, you know, they've not made someone who had
Starting point is 00:14:32 already heard of someone to do you not, for real, it's not interesting. All this ecosystem of media
Starting point is 00:14:38 of information. There's It's still a discourse to have to be in the ecosystem mediatics that I think
Starting point is 00:14:43 think it's a moment, it's one of the end of the moment present, it's the transformation that's happening
Starting point is 00:14:49 to be able media. But they're not, they're in the they're just at defensive and it's
Starting point is 00:14:55 and view their febless, it's tough to bring to serious, their critique, of niporte of any
Starting point is 00:15:00 other person who does it because it's like more, but there's just precha for your parois,
Starting point is 00:15:04 I'd say, I'm, they're just their critique and their reloge, I think there's always
Starting point is 00:15:08 like a tear that is a bit maladjusted and there a manke of a point of
Starting point is 00:15:12 a lot of the ecosystem mediatic with a grand accent agateu not just
Starting point is 00:15:19 this difference or this dichotomy or even this dualism that is constantly tracced
Starting point is 00:15:23 between media traditional versus media alternative or new media
Starting point is 00:15:28 or whatever in the case of the interview rebel news so
Starting point is 00:15:31 you have too you have been on Alexa LaVue on
Starting point is 00:15:37 montage. The interview of Departreau of Frances Leguette with Patrice Roy is an interview of 15 minutes, with montage. Why, we're not a two-hour? Why, and the guy he's going to say, and even Stephen Gobeye, live, he's on Twitter,
Starting point is 00:15:50 he's trying to envoye to show his showy to Instagram. Stefan Gobeye, who is the conseilier, who was, what he did? I don't know, but he has changed his bio on Twitter, it's he's written. Oh, boy, he's in crisis. And he has
Starting point is 00:16:04 We've got to shied of people on Twitter. Like, legit. You know, there's a man of the felon, I'll repeat, I like, he's a... He adored the phoenies. He has treated,
Starting point is 00:16:12 Regist, it's the bomb of, like, the more sombre and mesquine personage of, all the life public Quebeccoise. Ah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:18 It's, now that's, so that's, it's kind of, the crash-out of Stifalgobe. It's, they're just
Starting point is 00:16:23 excessively on X, commonly, commonly, we're called, we, we, we're called Twitter, we,
Starting point is 00:16:29 but, he tweet constantly, choice distinct. He decided to go there because, clearly, he, in his lecture of the political, the electorate who he can go to go to, like, nationalists PCQ, but they're not full
Starting point is 00:16:47 libertarian. He saw this kind of penchant at right, of several generations of he wants to go to get to search this auditor that, who has, can't even this regard on the PQ as a
Starting point is 00:17:00 sort of repair of center right. It's the party Quebecuan, it's he's who's made on the majority of the programs social who are in Quebec, and there's
Starting point is 00:17:09 the leg that of the party social-democrat that PSPP try to can't even re-ecre, and try to
Starting point is 00:17:16 get to bring the front the efficacy of the state, the charge of the bureaucracy on our system,
Starting point is 00:17:22 on our budget. He talks really much more of independence in terms of affranchism
Starting point is 00:17:28 of the class managerial of Ottawa and that in fact, you know, it's that that's the deficit, you know, there's been
Starting point is 00:17:35 too of functionaire, and that the sovereignty will be able to create an state more petite, and without deletess the service public. It's really,
Starting point is 00:17:44 it's the line, the PSP. And then, there's arguments for the independence based on the emotion, the culture, the history,
Starting point is 00:17:51 you're really, no, no, no, it's just... A question of optimization, perhaps. Well, it's that, because I think
Starting point is 00:17:57 there's a lot of people, more aged, also, who are refractive, but also more young, who they want the independence,
Starting point is 00:18:03 it will be the argument of, we don't have to the economy for, we don't have not the money for, he's trying to like really just
Starting point is 00:18:09 visor this branch there, and he deless a little the argument the argument emotional or cultural because these people are going
Starting point is 00:18:17 already vote, but I'm really in his reasonnment and Paul Seper Plonon on Twitter
Starting point is 00:18:23 in response to the fact he had made this interview and he was quite critiqued
Starting point is 00:18:27 on the on the on the on the return of Radio Canada has said that he was ready to sit
Starting point is 00:18:31 with any part of any part of the media, you're on like the like I'm in like I'm in like I'm down
Starting point is 00:18:35 like Christopher he's like a portrait, he puts a interview go to pivot you know, I'm gonna for this content
Starting point is 00:18:44 that, like your chives of Chicago, you want to talk to talk to everyone during the day. But they've
Starting point is 00:18:49 had been there's yeah, they're so biff yeah, but now it's so bork,
Starting point is 00:18:54 but no I'm just why why the guy who wants to the guy who wants to work to Quebec a a country
Starting point is 00:18:59 will guard a beef personal against a journalist it's not a par rapport, he's
Starting point is 00:19:02 there's a part of it's like it's like you're to do you do you do you're
Starting point is 00:19:05 to do but you know, I'm at pivot I'm going to the content of this
Starting point is 00:19:11 interview like the interview like the interview for me was for me where it
Starting point is 00:19:16 would be more more than it's more that's what he will say. A new news on
Starting point is 00:19:22 the press and the market and the market in cafe snake so polymarket
Starting point is 00:19:28 market Carl She etc And there Francis Valle, I don't know if it's like that we pronounce his name, but he has published a chronic in the press the 9th April last, which is called The War Serener in Two Month, and it's a chronic that for, genre, or sous-titre, so on the pariahs.
Starting point is 00:19:47 So we're really in the idea that the market of prediction can become a source legitimate of subject mediatic to abhorred. And there, just in her chronique, Francis Veyer, We will talk rapidly of a series of predictions geopolitical
Starting point is 00:20:04 that have on the market on the market. So, we introduce really the platform of prediction as an interest
Starting point is 00:20:11 media, potential, and we're even just to say that yes, certain could be
Starting point is 00:20:16 judge, that the pariah face of the money, when the life
Starting point is 00:20:19 human is in I'm in you know, I'm there not so long that we could parry
Starting point is 00:20:24 on, by example, the utilization of the, the arm nuclear. Francis
Starting point is 00:20:28 knows, it's still recognize the advantage of a telf market two points. The movement of the pariah
Starting point is 00:20:34 to do you make to us know to know on the probability percied of this
Starting point is 00:20:39 okay, I'm the impression that the press will really gobe the pillule finally, the platform
Starting point is 00:20:46 of prediction but without any rapport critical. There's not the mention, by example, the
Starting point is 00:20:51 far to the far, the deal of the dimension also casino, gamification, of all the ramifications of
Starting point is 00:20:58 the And the fact also that the line editorial of the markets, it is controlled by the market their own. So, they finish by orientate also the attention of the pariah. And then, obviously, we'll divulge a series of predictions geopolitic, but he has never made mention that, outrude these predictions, there are several other markets where we can, pariet on the number of times that Trump will say Mexican immigrants in the last week. I'm even the impression, in fact, that, that I'm going to make in the notes, who
Starting point is 00:21:28 don't necessarily the principle of the market of prediction? I'll read a phrase, mona, and you will be saying,
Starting point is 00:21:35 if you know if you're that's me that's stupid, you'll me say it's you're in the comments on
Starting point is 00:21:39 the Patreon for those who are people who are even just to write, and like the pariah
Starting point is 00:21:45 misappableable of the money, we can't be able that they seepally the information
Starting point is 00:21:50 that's so there, so, so, all this idea, the monitoring of situation, like I
Starting point is 00:21:55 often abhorred in a cafe snake. But there he continues, and he said, his predictions are so necessarily integrated in the price of the price of the titres negotiated in burs or on other markets. If the market is full-strong on a position, he says that, it's going to have an impact on
Starting point is 00:22:14 the course. And what is he is signed also? It's a mal-formuled. It's the people who are the same money that are they're ached these actions. Yeah, also, but it's mal-formulated because we say, Necessarily. integrates in the price of the tickets negotiates.
Starting point is 00:22:28 We don't say that it's going to influence for example, the emotion. After that, it's direct,
Starting point is 00:22:33 we're salt to other predictions interesting, and we're talking to predictions on the Cup Stanley. Bye,
Starting point is 00:22:39 Yoo, shout out in the press. Tonight, I want to show you what you got a billion could have bad.
Starting point is 00:23:00 So, my segment this time, for the people who didn't know also I'm not even re-sue, it's the two fine of the semester of the
Starting point is 00:23:08 last year, for the time of the time of the year, Coachella, it's rendered two fin of the week. You know, we've maximized the revenues. It's like a repeat of what what's the first time of the week, the stars are there, the Kardashian, whatever,
Starting point is 00:23:23 and the other end of the second after, it's the pleb? No, in the two fine of the week, there's the same show that's repeated. There's what we call, like, Pours People, Coachella, and there are the rich,
Starting point is 00:23:33 influencers, and there are even, the grader of Rish. It's impossible, because it has to cost super
Starting point is 00:23:36 chere, all right, but you can ask you with Clarna. You can uh, you can, uh,
Starting point is 00:23:41 you can't, what Clorna? I've done after the thing, that's a now, pay later,
Starting point is 00:23:45 the world to get their billet with the microfinancement and anyway, yeah, that's,
Starting point is 00:23:49 that's an aspect that I want to come back, but for Arrater, it's a tourn justice in 2020, the suit of the annons, that had a syndrome neurologic muscular,
Starting point is 00:24:10 there was a syndrome that had a symptom that had a certain that had a face, there were some end of health, he had some documentate. After, there were some documental, there had some documentate,
Starting point is 00:24:20 an espouse of reconversion, or a relation plus etroit with the religion, you know, like, there's really the grand return after the album, the year, Swag, Swag, 2,
Starting point is 00:24:31 who has kind of received an immense success popular and critic. We've seen perform to Grammy it's like made the table
Starting point is 00:24:37 and there's the full set at Coachella. Coachella, is a festival that has been pretty pretty
Starting point is 00:24:42 is a different and streamed in a fashion professional. And the more the years of more professional
Starting point is 00:24:51 all the stage are filmed and they're being on direct on direct on YouTube. So, yeah,
Starting point is 00:24:56 a event in person there but it's a eventment mediatic. Not just just by
Starting point is 00:25:02 this aspect that, also by the fact that it's been a sign of an accomplishment professional for people who are
Starting point is 00:25:09 in the creation of the world of the influencers, that we're to be present at Coachella. It's a piece of
Starting point is 00:25:15 a piece of a rite of a coceor, of course, that a mark me envoces and we're a delegation
Starting point is 00:25:21 Quebecoise that was there also this year, they're invited by Ardenne. I'm going to Viner,
Starting point is 00:25:26 they all had all over Chaulelele it's like that I've learned, it was what Choelelele because the
Starting point is 00:25:30 people that I was going to see her on Vine, they were all at Coachella. With the return of Justin Bieber on the stage of Coachella, it had caused a frenziesie, really, that had been rarely
Starting point is 00:25:39 seen the... Guys, the Bieber effect on Coachella is 100% a real thing. Take it from me, 41 years old, settled down, start a family grow up
Starting point is 00:25:45 Unk. I've been doing this festival for 10 years, never in my life. Have I seen anything like it before? $1,800 VIP bands going for $6,000
Starting point is 00:25:54 $8,000 going for $9,000. Houses, $15,000 for four days, usually. going for $50,60,000 Airbnb owners kicking people out
Starting point is 00:26:05 who booked houses months ago to resell them three days before the festival for 200, 300% markups. These companies that decide that, no, finally, we'll offer a brand deal
Starting point is 00:26:15 but we'll offer a mere influencer, finally, who has accepted because he just come to see Justin Bieber. He had really a frenzy. We're saying that Justin Bieber
Starting point is 00:26:23 had been the artist who had been the first paid of the history of Coachella, he would be paid $10 million for the two fine of the So, now, I don't
Starting point is 00:26:30 do you know, for real, because I think that the year I think that's I made a segment on Coachella, and there's also a segment that I've made in the first year
Starting point is 00:26:39 of Cafe Snake that was the impact of Justin Bieber and the fans, oh, it's when Lyam Payne had done a segment also
Starting point is 00:26:47 on the impact of the culture of the stand culture on internet, how it had formed the language and the dynamics
Starting point is 00:26:55 that we observed on the social at this day. So just like a little topo For the people who I'm interested, I'll make the name
Starting point is 00:27:00 of the episode of Cafe Snake that's it in the description of the episode but I'll make a brief resume.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Justin Bieber for the people who are in my generation and even more young it's been the
Starting point is 00:27:11 reason on why plenty of young are coming on internet. Many of
Starting point is 00:27:16 people have their first on internet with a name that's like Bieber fan
Starting point is 00:27:22 one two three, Bieber fan Quebec. The industry of the page of the
Starting point is 00:27:26 of the fan page had to its appoge and it's structured a lot of the adolescence the life of
Starting point is 00:27:34 young adult and in fact of the life of the people who are made like between 95 and we're
Starting point is 00:27:40 if we're a gap of 10 years so that so that so he's inscrate
Starting point is 00:27:45 also in where is he's he's where is he's the first influencer
Starting point is 00:27:50 in fact what's what we the first YouTuber the person who has
Starting point is 00:27:54 exploited the leviers of virality of the internet the most rapidly, and the way of the way of an infant
Starting point is 00:28:02 that's a lot of the planet who's been the most pop store in the world before even to have 18 years. It's the story
Starting point is 00:28:10 of Justin Bieber. So, there's that also in the recis of this movie of this is like where's where's what is
Starting point is 00:28:17 put to us where's we're we're running. And then, I think Justin Mibu had seized the ampleure of
Starting point is 00:28:23 the moment and he's a lot, and he's a performance. But in the show, is that the show has been divided in three acts. There were the first act, which was,
Starting point is 00:28:32 the first act, which had, he had, he was out of a laptop, who had made the stream of chat on the grand screen of Coachella, and in the phone, the camera that we saw on the gross screen, it was the camera of the laptop, and when he, he was
Starting point is 00:28:48 filmed, we had, we saw the screen of the laptop on the gross screen of Coachella, and we'd see to go ahead on YouTube. So he reprehne really the code of streamer, in fact, the desktop streamer, because especially, of point of view,
Starting point is 00:29:02 to look at leastance, I'm not, I don't know I'm not, I don't know what, it was, but when you look at the production of that, and then, they'd go to YouTube, and he'd search these years videoclip, and they had played, and there, it was a boot throwback, let's on, let's own, let's all the whole world, attendent, because it's, I'm
Starting point is 00:29:17 I don't know how many years, that Justin Bieber has not performed Baby, let's or Never Say Never, or Confident, or whatever, it's Ed that, he does that, and he's he makes in scene really that he is in a time to look, it's like if there's a dialogue. Between, he, his archives, mediatic.
Starting point is 00:29:36 And the public, who, he, re-voys, like, pre-adolescent, pre-adolescent, in trying to discover the videoclip of Justin Bieber on YouTube, and he will not just watch these videoclip, he will see his first cover, he has posted on YouTube, so he does really a space
Starting point is 00:29:53 of history of his progression on YouTube and you know also that YouTube is the partner
Starting point is 00:29:58 official of Coachella so there so I think that he has permitted in fact that just
Starting point is 00:30:04 he will not just react to his video he will like browse YouTube and he
Starting point is 00:30:11 will say is you you're to make the video of these notes is he
Starting point is 00:30:15 is he shant by the deuce the deuce well when when he
Starting point is 00:30:20 when he when he's when he's when he's It's really because he chanted, but he chanted
Starting point is 00:30:25 like, a domitone or even a full tone more than more than that's changed. But,
Starting point is 00:30:32 there was he made it he said that he were able to chanty exactly like the song was, but
Starting point is 00:30:38 when, let's say baby, you know, you saw it did it by express to chant
Starting point is 00:30:42 grave. Okay. For, like, mark that what he wanted to,
Starting point is 00:30:46 in fact, it's a duo, it's a duo, you, a duo with the past exactly.
Starting point is 00:30:52 So I think, you know, I think he has He's not about about his new music or so, you know, and his new
Starting point is 00:30:59 music has had some moment for Chiney, but it's a moment of nostalgia for a generation that for
Starting point is 00:31:05 a lot, it's not like the back shit boys to be to be, it's like, we're not
Starting point is 00:31:10 like, fucking in the 30th advanced, we're, we're we're coming
Starting point is 00:31:15 the conclusion that, yo, like, you know, so, you know, so,
Starting point is 00:31:18 you know, it's your generation. Yeah, it's that. Fin-20. You know, I
Starting point is 00:31:23 think there's many people who come to do you know about this decision that of Justin Bieber to make in
Starting point is 00:31:28 a show like that. I think I thought it brilliant because I think he represent it like the 15 years years
Starting point is 00:31:34 it. It's a story, but also not just the history of Justin Bieber, but in fact the story
Starting point is 00:31:39 of the media. It's so, it's that throughout the history of history of internet.
Starting point is 00:31:43 Because you to be when he has come when Twitter existed before Twitter existed
Starting point is 00:31:46 before YouTube existed for two Instagram existed even not, TikTok existed even
Starting point is 00:31:51 not. So it's like if it's like chronologically we're able to just he's on a laptop
Starting point is 00:31:56 in direct, listen the video YouTube like, like, recounted all the image of that.
Starting point is 00:32:04 It's like the vector of transformation mediatique also. It's has been a figure
Starting point is 00:32:08 so popular that we can't understand the new levier like that different that
Starting point is 00:32:14 this infus of Ontario become this phenomenon Worldial. And I think
Starting point is 00:32:18 there's a clip so much perfect, Justin Mubri who has 13 years, he'd give an interview
Starting point is 00:32:22 to see a TV, a channel when he had a new up and there's a hierarchy in a interviewer
Starting point is 00:32:28 who is like an actress and like you know, she's like, hey, she's near he said,
Starting point is 00:32:33 you know, it's like you know, I'm going to get in the episode, she said, ah,
Starting point is 00:32:36 you're new at Strington Ontario, he's, yeah, I'm, it's just that someone
Starting point is 00:32:40 like someone like someone like someone who's who's someone He's like me, no, but you don't know, but you're not going to be like, you're basically a product of marketing. Okay.
Starting point is 00:32:55 That when it comes down to it, it's all the YouTube hype, it's all the attention you get online. Okay. Do you see yourself as a product of marketing hype? I think that everything happened organically. It wasn't something that the record label was pushing. Coming from Stravert, Ontario, it basically gave others, like, hope because I come from somewhere that, nothing really comes from there. Wait, Lloyd Robertson has come out of Stratford, Ontario and been famous.
Starting point is 00:33:22 He anchors the national news on CTV. I'm just saying there hasn't been somebody to come out and be known worldwide. Okay. Do you agree in that point? Well, you know, it's hard to say because I... You think Lloyd Robinson is known in a little town in Germany? Probably not because he anchors the national news in Canada. So you're saying you've got international appeal.
Starting point is 00:33:45 That's the point you're making? Yes, ma'am. There's that, that's for the aspect Biebercella. Also, what I wanted to say? Concerning Coachella, which is, like, different a little. And for real, I'm not the espouse of exploration
Starting point is 00:33:55 deep down in the stand culture and all that, because she has already been in the cafe single. I think it's the episodes public, so it's like... Well, I know. I'll see what.
Starting point is 00:34:03 But, but abone you on Patreon, so. Also, what I wanted because it's about a bit of your in-and-out that you had made like the out, the influencers,
Starting point is 00:34:10 Influencer Culture, like, this year. But the influencers who are the, the, the, the,
Starting point is 00:34:17 beta of what it was a influencer, you know, that's that's to take some of
Starting point is 00:34:23 those people lifestyle, you know, mayo of ban, without necessarily a expertise
Starting point is 00:34:30 to make to an end of an discourse X, X, Y, because it's that we see,
Starting point is 00:34:35 it's the people who develop these new niche. Or just, maybe not even not
Starting point is 00:34:38 not going an overview, without what you know, without what you could, you create. But,
Starting point is 00:34:42 by example, to talk of nutrition or to talk of, I don't know, the desksue, of the fabrication, of the cosmetic.
Starting point is 00:34:49 I think you can do make doing more on Instagram, but it's a sentiment that's a feeling that's
Starting point is 00:34:55 the content that's the most perced in my For You page, it was not the content
Starting point is 00:35:01 just of Tannamango or the fucking streamers that was the content of people who were in camping at Coachella
Starting point is 00:35:09 what the people called the poor side of Coachella it was like this year we had for the
Starting point is 00:35:14 access to the world that would have to do camping in their char because there's many sites of camping at Coachella you know you know, you know,
Starting point is 00:35:20 you know, I'm just focused on the Infoencers who, they're dorms down but no, but the majority of people who are there
Starting point is 00:35:27 camp, like, so, like, go, see, see, I've seen a series, I'm gonna
Starting point is 00:35:33 regular ass bitches at Coachella Final Day 3 Woo! This is our last OOTD is a very special OOTD
Starting point is 00:35:45 because it's the last but it's also my birthday OOTD. So everything is honestly from Amazon. But we do have an update. The Hokas were a lot better than the Doctor Shult. So I invest in. It's really the experience that I saw that I'd value by the algorithm.
Starting point is 00:36:02 So I think it's on do so the evolution of our rapport to influencers, as a person like Elizabeth Rieu, who was there about financed by Ardenne, Gross Villa, Arden. I see plenty of people. In English, I'm playing Elizabeth Rio as example,
Starting point is 00:36:14 but she also, like, by many time of others, they go there, and they're like, the sole content that generates, it's, oh my God, I've crossed, Jacob Eraldi, I've crossed, uh, Northwest. Oh, my God, I'm like everyone. All right. It's justin'all fucking Trudeau with Kathy Perry,
Starting point is 00:36:32 at Coachella. Hey, all the world, you talk to, you? You're scandalized. No, but I've seen too much doing these TikTok, like, oh, my God. I'm like, why not? I'm like, I'm not, I'm sorry. Okay, Daphne, I'm ex.
Starting point is 00:36:42 I'm not scandalized. It's just that I think it's like lame. I mean, this couple, you've been Buccied since long ago. Very, I'm just, at the beginning,
Starting point is 00:36:52 at least, I think, one of the first episode, I'm the first of the album of Kati Parry, the degringolade neoliberal,
Starting point is 00:37:02 and after that, for the real, she grow on me, it's that that's what we in a sense where I'm, like,
Starting point is 00:37:08 at which this person that represent a form of feminism neoliberal, and at what how it fits just with Justin
Starting point is 00:37:15 Trudeau. But it's that, but, like, I feel like that fit so you ship and you stand,
Starting point is 00:37:19 you know? No, no, I'm not, and I'm not someone who's not someone who's not I'm not
Starting point is 00:37:24 I'm just just say that the gringolade of person. I'm not I say just just that in jeans
Starting point is 00:37:32 with his red cup in trying to make the ramen, you know, there's a it's totally, it's like,
Starting point is 00:37:38 yeah, but justomor I think that this misan line there may seem in accord with the
Starting point is 00:37:44 personage, Like, I'm not surprised. I mean, what I said, what I said? What I said? I think, I think I feel just that he fit much in this view people, than the life political, and now that I see it at the exterior
Starting point is 00:37:57 of the role of prime minister, I'm doing, I feel like, why you've done this? But what's what you'd have to do, it's a repo, Daphne? Exactly, but... If he's not... Exactly, but...
Starting point is 00:38:08 No, I see. It's like... No, because it's to be... To come to... ...a Justin-Rudeau, who is a rapper live, He made an interview with a dude random of fucking Bremton
Starting point is 00:38:18 and he says, is he wants to be a prime minister a day? And he doesn't, he even can't get to be able to he's exprimed, he can't
Starting point is 00:38:23 he doesn't, he considers as an option valid. Yeah, it's like Bruceki, why you're, why you're doing when he's,
Starting point is 00:38:32 in the fact, that's the yearn, it's just to be a story, you know, and that he has been
Starting point is 00:38:37 the role of prime minister to for perhaps like, like, like, live that.
Starting point is 00:38:41 But in some like that I'm like I'm a role of a Prime Minister, it's really a role
Starting point is 00:38:46 that's a whole of the question, it's a person, it's a person behind the decision nevralgic? I'm not there
Starting point is 00:38:55 to re-and to re-est, I'm trying to get to more quickly, she, you know, it's a time of the
Starting point is 00:38:59 community, you, in the public, it's a form of theatre, it's a form of spectacle mediatique,
Starting point is 00:39:07 and it's also that explains a party of the population that is in a rapport in desillusion or who vied a a piece of
Starting point is 00:39:15 detachment political in saying that it's the characters mediaatic before all. So it's all for me
Starting point is 00:39:22 it's Cotechella we'll see the year next. It's the beginning of the festival that all the time with Cochella
Starting point is 00:39:29 that mark the tone. I think that the nostalgia for 2016, it's been one of the lineup
Starting point is 00:39:35 that it appeared, the most artists who performed who had had been the clip
Starting point is 00:39:38 memorable, apart Pink Pinterest like Pierre Edison Rake, we've done these sets incredible. But, you know, Young Tug,
Starting point is 00:39:45 Swilly, all this, the rapper. You know, the nostalgia of 2016 favorize the rap because in 2016
Starting point is 00:39:50 the rap, it's cool. So, so it's a cross with the dossier health numeric. In fact, I think,
Starting point is 00:39:57 I've already heard about, probably, I'm going to hear about. Oh, yeah, we? It's all,
Starting point is 00:40:01 we're talking in the cafe snake, but it seemed like to be long to me,
Starting point is 00:40:05 just to until it that it has made the mons the men, because I I remember that the Minister of Cybersecurity and the numeric, Mr. Gilles Belanger,
Starting point is 00:40:15 he has made like a sort of mediaetic by rapport to this DSN, that, which is pre-view for the month of May. And then, he has said, contrary to the DIR of Health, Quebec, that is like a new organism that has been created, I think, a year, I think a one or two, that he crain for the security of our data, that we're not ready, finally, to deploy the platform numeric, where would be reunited all the dossiers
Starting point is 00:40:40 medico of the people who have to be patientate, he has seamed the doubt, the trouble that's not everywhere in Quebec, it's not
Starting point is 00:40:47 by a sort of deployment in a little scale, and then, if it can't, if it's
Starting point is 00:40:52 going to it's a question of technology, obviously, there's and that Mounier,
Starting point is 00:40:58 he has often talked of suotratence in the numeric on the local
Starting point is 00:41:02 provincial. I'm I'm interested particularly at Epic System, which is the company to who we have
Starting point is 00:41:09 acquired the contract in 2003. The government the Gaul. I'm not not even though there's a lot of
Starting point is 00:41:16 literature, you know, so it's about journalistic and scientific on the web on this company,
Starting point is 00:41:21 on it's rated, it's been it's been it's covered. And there even these red flag,
Starting point is 00:41:27 let, like that that have been this year and there even two years, by Radio
Starting point is 00:41:33 Canada by a this fornisher the Epic System. It's a society private of logistics
Starting point is 00:41:39 of the health care it's American we're talking about the monopoly there's there's
Starting point is 00:41:45 more of the majority of those States who are detunue by this society private
Starting point is 00:41:51 and we say about 2.5% of patients in the world in 2015
Starting point is 00:41:57 it's immense in an article of Alexander Duval published
Starting point is 00:42:02 in September 2012 So at the moment where the government Logo has decided to go with Epic System. We note, just, that the experience
Starting point is 00:42:11 of transformation numeric in health turned to vinegar in in many countries where we've employed this firm that
Starting point is 00:42:19 American, notably in Norway, in Denmark, in Finland, and also to the Royalom Unie.
Starting point is 00:42:26 And there, just for you don't an example, I consulted, an article that is parue in
Starting point is 00:42:31 Norway, in 2022, It's a little, like, Google Translate, but I'll put it in the notes, like. The Norway, they, have introduced Epic System in 2022, 10 months after the deployment of this, of this system that that had
Starting point is 00:42:46 had bought at Epic in a hospital. We're saying that, pretty of 9th medicine on 10 at the hospital estimates that the security of patients are menaced by the system of dossier medico. Not only that, but we're
Starting point is 00:43:00 that, but we say that that many of them are at the repuisman professional and envisaged to change of employment. Apparently,
Starting point is 00:43:08 they're going to discover new error in the famous system, they crave for the patients, and also they say they pen to
Starting point is 00:43:15 find a satisfaction in their work. And four men, six, declored that the system
Starting point is 00:43:20 of the social the system of the decissioned, or to be misdionioning, or to research actively
Starting point is 00:43:27 a new employment. There, There's someone who is interviewed who says, I maintain that, that the platform of the state is not made for us. It doesn't function
Starting point is 00:43:35 not. And we have been other systems that are adapted to our situation Norwegian and our way to work.
Starting point is 00:43:43 We're afraid that simply the patients have an experience of life more because of the platform of the health.
Starting point is 00:43:49 I know where I've seen that, but I've learned that the system epic system is mondial
Starting point is 00:43:55 known for its inefficacy. All the contrary of what we woulder or what we'd attend would in the idea of just transfering
Starting point is 00:44:04 our data in one single system informatic and that all interoperable and that all the same place. Epic System, it's the most
Starting point is 00:44:12 society in the domain of the dossier-informatized, but it's not necessarily because it's the best product that it's really
Starting point is 00:44:21 costo, it's really in the $500 million to $1,000 to $1,000 to implementer, that one that we've deployed, even partiallyly, it's very difficult to change, to
Starting point is 00:44:33 make volt-of-face, even if it's a marred. He's, like, often too too far for it. And the other point, which is really important, because it's certainly also in the, in the places where it's been deployed at the country, so not in the States of the United, that it's really merded. It's that, just, it's a logitial American, and that's built for the system of the system of health American, and that is very different to system of health Quebec.
Starting point is 00:44:57 It's a logitial that is a concept of a model that's a lot of
Starting point is 00:45:01 a public in a public for-profit abuse lucrative. The system
Starting point is 00:45:09 of the system of private, it's not public like it's also
Starting point is 00:45:13 in function of that structurally that, let's this logit it will
Starting point is 00:45:18 determine what what do what do is that a patient by a patient, by
Starting point is 00:45:26 not enregistrated. You know, what are the data that are being are used? It's really a logicel that's been
Starting point is 00:45:32 in a logic marchandre. I've read a blog of a medicine that's called Julio La Torre
Starting point is 00:45:38 that said that it had to be a register countable disguised in documentation. We say
Starting point is 00:45:44 that just Epic, it's imposed as the principal forniser of the base of
Starting point is 00:45:49 medical, because it was the system that not only only were able to be to be the
Starting point is 00:45:56 certain conformity regulatory, what we have also in in fact that when we've made to make the appell
Starting point is 00:46:01 of offer, but also because that's that's able to optimise the revenue of the
Starting point is 00:46:07 hospital. It's really that the Nair of the Gare of and in fact,
Starting point is 00:46:10 how is that how is that it can't, when we can't classed
Starting point is 00:46:16 the acts medical, depending on what we want to what we do you
Starting point is 00:46:21 use the code, and Epic permit to optimize the utilization of codes that determines the amount
Starting point is 00:46:28 of the payment, the reimbursement, it's et cetera. It's made to do upcoding. So, we could
Starting point is 00:46:34 be traduiting by sur-codification, which is a practice of facture frauduleously of the soin,
Starting point is 00:46:40 in using these codes that correspond to the services or the diagnostics that are
Starting point is 00:46:44 more more more more more complex or even more
Starting point is 00:46:49 more grave than that's really really for to try-to-finement, for finally obtain these
Starting point is 00:46:54 reimbursements more level, because there, we're always in the system American, like, to have this logic, like,
Starting point is 00:47:00 these reimbursement of who, by the company of insurance or or the programs governmental like Medicare. It's important to be a
Starting point is 00:47:07 part of the press that I put also in the line, but if it's really that that that's really that it's probably
Starting point is 00:47:15 that's that it's so that we're already long in the processus, the solution is implanted. everywhere
Starting point is 00:47:22 the Rios to the R. The total the contract could be able to $1.5 million. For a year.
Starting point is 00:47:29 For a year, but we say that this amount could even attain $3 million of dollars.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Because they're they're like they're able to do you're able to make the appell of fucking not
Starting point is 00:47:41 share. Yeah. And then legally, the government is obliged to be able to get
Starting point is 00:47:46 in the contract, there's like, like, Francis dego he's not the food of the
Starting point is 00:47:50 Kake, because it's the liberals who have signed its click, but the depplement of costs were not being in cardered in the contractual.
Starting point is 00:47:55 So, they're getting to facture fucking plus. Okay, but imagine, we're talking the million,
Starting point is 00:47:59 we're just in the million of dollars. There's a red flag that's been left by the minister of the cyber security
Starting point is 00:48:04 this week, but let's me you say that after having read on Epic System, obviously, we can't
Starting point is 00:48:10 be sure that for the security of our data, but I think we also we have also many other
Starting point is 00:48:15 inquietude to have and I have the discourse mediaatic will really orientate.
Starting point is 00:48:21 the object of our power. Now, all of a whole of the domain of the cyber security, of the security
Starting point is 00:48:26 of the data, there's a I don't know, but... It's cryptography, I don't know. Hey, we'll say this
Starting point is 00:48:34 word that, because it sounds really nice, it's a thing... I've heard absolutely the clip, you're like
Starting point is 00:48:39 this person, and it's not to know what to do that. Exactly. It's legitimate to have power
Starting point is 00:48:43 to that, but there, we know, we're not there's still there's there's there could probably
Starting point is 00:48:48 who could are extremely alarmed. Even before the first of the former minister of cyber
Starting point is 00:48:56 security, there had been a article that was on the site of Radio Canada, of the journalist
Starting point is 00:49:02 Alexandra Fortin. It's paru the 17 March, and that also I'm in the notes, it was
Starting point is 00:49:07 intitulate the problems to the dossier health new, you've heard you've
Starting point is 00:49:12 heard of the problem, I've heard of the coffee Sting, actually because we
Starting point is 00:49:17 had talked in the In the time it's the autone, the people had talked, Tomas Gerbert, we're talking. Okay.
Starting point is 00:49:21 The problem of traduction, of debasement of coup, of logiciel poor intuitive. There's a problem that we
Starting point is 00:49:27 see often when this logicel that is deployed at the international. By example, I'm talking to the language, the English,
Starting point is 00:49:35 the English to the other language, a language of so, in the occurrence, now, it's the
Starting point is 00:49:40 translation, it's these transactions that are often super inexact where we have the information that the Google Translate. It's not
Starting point is 00:49:48 so grave, the way, the translation, it's not obliged to be precise, but there, we're in the domain of the
Starting point is 00:49:54 health, where you have some in the intervention chirurgical, and by example, in Norway, the man
Starting point is 00:50:00 right, like we say in English, right hand, it was translated in Norwegian by the right hand,
Starting point is 00:50:08 right hand, right, right. These errors like some, but these errors also in the terms
Starting point is 00:50:12 medical, which were not classed, not as we're as a good name as a bit of the errors in the non-medicamance. So it can become a real problem. It's introduced even more of paprasse and of bureaucracy. Because as I've said, the logical of Epic System,
Starting point is 00:50:29 it is, d'aboard, it's inbriquet in its structure. So it divides each soin in act payable and also in donny potentially-est-estudable. Because one of the arguments of of this system is that after that, one of the time that you've
Starting point is 00:50:48 allotted, you've got enormously data that you could potentially use for create these studies.
Starting point is 00:50:55 So, for administer each medicament, and that's really in the article of Radio Canada, we say
Starting point is 00:51:03 that it will have a series of particular questions or an evaluation to do. In CHSLD,
Starting point is 00:51:08 it will be 20 to 30 minutes per patient for distribute the medication. And so, it's just for the medication
Starting point is 00:51:16 the morning. So, normally, administrate a medicament, it's only from 5 to 10 minutes. You imagine, you, the time required of plus? In an article paru in 2024, it's
Starting point is 00:51:28 called An Epic Dystopia, and that's paru in the space of journal in line, The American Prospect, the journalist is Robert Kutner. We say that,
Starting point is 00:51:38 just, the contrains that are imposed by the system epic on the time of work is enormous. And it's more the more the path to do you
Starting point is 00:51:46 know, it's a system of bureaucracy, of papras, of gestion rather than to donate these soins.
Starting point is 00:51:54 And there, we say that these studies, that the saise of the system
Starting point is 00:51:59 epic, mobilise around two hours of a time of a medicine for each hour
Starting point is 00:52:05 consacred to the care to do the patient. There also another article
Starting point is 00:52:09 that I consulted, that's written by Corey Doctoro, so they're an writer who's a writer who's about talking to technology,
Starting point is 00:52:16 even of intelligence artificial. I think it will be a lot than more than it's preview, because they
Starting point is 00:52:23 they do they do they're in two establishments in two regions for coming because
Starting point is 00:52:27 all the systems, all the dossier numeric live in all the hospitals are pretty
Starting point is 00:52:33 are different. Yeah. So, so let's you want to implement this in a hospital,
Starting point is 00:52:38 you've you've got a crew there, that that will pass many to time there's a
Starting point is 00:52:42 because it's sure it's not all the same the same, it's sure, it's not there's not
Starting point is 00:52:47 there's not there's not there's not interoperability between Epic System and other systems of other
Starting point is 00:52:53 provider, which has permitted also to the fact that Epic System is a monopoly that
Starting point is 00:52:58 because if there's not interoperability it's you have to apply to make the same
Starting point is 00:53:04 same to be the same to power to be transfer the money.
Starting point is 00:53:07 I'm I'm I also asked if you apply Epic System at two hospitals, let's see, or two regions of the Quebec, how these regions will be able to communicate with the other hospitals of the other regions if there's not an interoperability? Just to revenue, to rebecca, what I said, is that Doctor Who, he cried, that one of the principles of arguments vans of EPEC, like I said, it, it resides in the capacity to export these data for, to then do then do
Starting point is 00:53:34 do these data and we're saying that they're going to be anonymized. So, we're going to get to be
Starting point is 00:53:41 that, but that but that, yes, it's enthusiasm that to conduct of some of the data. In so,
Starting point is 00:53:47 it's like a richest to have enough of data, but that anonymized these fichies that contain
Starting point is 00:53:52 these information sensible, it can really rapidly turn to gochmores, especially when these
Starting point is 00:53:57 don't anonymized are transferred like a tier or another company, an other company, an other enterprise,
Starting point is 00:54:02 and that it's notoerable of the data anonymized and that they can't be re-identified. The security of our data is still in-geau. So, in the foot, your text,
Starting point is 00:54:13 is that, yeah, we're talking about the data, the protection of the but we should be worried that on more than you.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Oh, my God. Well, I, I've heard the ballado of Freds Avaar, and I'm listened,
Starting point is 00:54:26 and just there was a researcheus at Iris that was an interview who was going to
Starting point is 00:54:30 to be to be a new 15th April, so on the site of Liris. And she had been to be a subject who farmed on the manchette or the actuality, which is the new mode of financement of the hospitals, which, according her, tend really ver a form of privatization, because, like, you, we've, you know, we've got to the remuneration of the medicines this year and of this project of law that who wanted to remunerate at the act.
Starting point is 00:54:55 But, finally, we're now financing, And, as well, to have a financial as a bit of the ballado, so to be
Starting point is 00:55:02 based on the indexation of the cost of the life, they want, they want to adopt the
Starting point is 00:55:07 financement to the activity. So, really, to finance the hospitals, by the
Starting point is 00:55:13 acts of soin that these optes that are going to don't know, and
Starting point is 00:55:18 it's introduced really a logic marchant privatized, and tell
Starting point is 00:55:23 so I, let's say, let's a R. R. on a servo, it
Starting point is 00:55:26 it will be what the money that's we're doing by IRM to Quebec? Well, they're going to make a
Starting point is 00:55:31 cost in different hospitals and they will be the middle of the world. So, there's there's really
Starting point is 00:55:38 more equipped than it's a more expensive, and there there's a Rwain Aranda where you do you have
Starting point is 00:55:44 paid some pay some the price of the loyement, or there perhaps it might be
Starting point is 00:55:48 the better the way it's quite it's quite if you receive just the price the price
Starting point is 00:55:52 medium, from the IRM to be sub-financed if you're an hospital at Rwainoranda,
Starting point is 00:56:00 because because that's not the same capacity than an opal to be able to england it's
Starting point is 00:56:06 an deficit that you have been obliged to combly in a certain fashion. So it can be very
Starting point is 00:56:11 demasable. It can make in sort, for example, that an hospital for able
Starting point is 00:56:15 to have access of finance will have privileged certain interventions rather than
Starting point is 00:56:19 other. Perhaps, if an an intervention that gives more an opportunity to do more often, than it will have to have more often than a even if the patient has no more of the I mean, let's say, no,
Starting point is 00:56:31 but, let's on the cell of accouchement, and the hospital will receive much more of the money because she has made a caesarian, but there, perhaps it will be pushed to have more of cesarene. I think, I just as like, hey, Epic System, is what the advantage of Epic System?
Starting point is 00:56:46 In the level of the codification of the there's a surcodification, is that the hospitals would be made them to decodified? Of that, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:56:54 it's a logic, maybe it's that the gestenaires have viewed, they're going to
Starting point is 00:56:59 their logic marchant, so they adopt a logit of the software that made these mark in a
Starting point is 00:57:06 logic market. It's interesting because in the article of the article of radio Canada
Starting point is 00:57:09 we said that it's difficult to obtain to the information on the
Starting point is 00:57:13 advancement of the first, you March, because at the interned, Health, Quebec, interdise to all people who work for the DSN
Starting point is 00:57:21 to address to media. What is bizarre also is that we're to adopt an epic system, although it's from the middle of the
Starting point is 00:57:27 years, that there is enormously of criticism on these logistial and that, and that's engendry
Starting point is 00:57:33 also in the countries who adopted this, these problems enormous at the public financial,
Starting point is 00:57:38 and, like I was some the problem also of interoperability between the institutions.
Starting point is 00:57:43 If you utilize not the service of Epic Systems, it's very difficult after that to communicate between hospitals. Just for the idea of culture of an enterprise, this enterprise
Starting point is 00:57:54 that has been in the years of 70 by a mathematician, and she has a revenue annual of about $5 million of dollars. So, it's immense. It's like a campus of university, it's 1,670 ochre to Wisconsin. It's for so that I've evered to risk. You know, it's true that you said that. Yeah, no, but
Starting point is 00:58:12 it's plenty of building. but they have them, like, like, like you know, so you know, a building that's like a little
Starting point is 00:58:22 to go to go to P. and you're like, you're like Tolkien, there's a little nia a hobbit,
Starting point is 00:58:28 and you can pass around, some house in paint, d'epis, this logic that of decoration that's pushed
Starting point is 00:58:35 not just at the exterior the building, it's even at the interior. So, it's like a great culture of
Starting point is 00:58:40 enterprise that certain have compared to, like a, a cult. It's flashed, and it's really for seduire, surely the, sure, the
Starting point is 00:58:46 functionaire or the visiter, and I'd imagine, John François-Legov, or, let's Genevieve Biron, who visited the campus in a little house in paint of epists. And, and then there's a video, that, that
Starting point is 00:58:58 has made the visit of this campus, or of this campment that, which is paru, like, in the World Street Journal, and I read the comments on YouTube, and there a lot of people who did like, oh, I'm, I'm,
Starting point is 00:59:09 I have some people who are there, and it's really the burnout culture. So it's like a facade, all this idea of the pay of the marvels, and the hobbit, for a little cache the reality of the work of an enterprise private. I'd listen to a comment of an infirmier who'd say, After 35 years, I can't help but look past the whimsy. Again, the term WINSI, who WINSBERG, And wonder how much of that spectacle is
Starting point is 00:59:38 paid for in the end by patient and a strain health care system. And there's another who said, exactly, it might seem whimsical, but the reality is the customer always pays the overheads. And the next step also of
Starting point is 00:59:54 this enterprise, evident, it's the intelligence artificial. And then it develops these logicians of capture of data medical. There, they have access to many of the medical,
Starting point is 01:00:04 and they develop these technologies of intelligence artificial for help to help to do you know,
Starting point is 01:00:12 so by example, the I that's implemented in your system, it's the time for munir to
Starting point is 01:00:18 have a price of a sign. He create these algorithms that interpret the data
Starting point is 01:00:22 that they have amassed. It's kind of when a whole society private
Starting point is 01:00:28 detain not only only only the but also the models entraned to these data and then the orientation
Starting point is 01:00:36 of the different countries in many of the United. In this orientation of the intelligence artificial, it's like if
Starting point is 01:00:43 the hospitals were made to shift a shift to a focus. Lettons, in the capture of
Starting point is 01:00:50 the data, in the capture of the way, to make count of what it's happened, of the act
Starting point is 01:00:53 of soin, of the state of the patient, there, we've become these agents who
Starting point is 01:00:57 they're project in the future, and we prevent, speculate, predi, anticipate, the soin that we'll have to give, perhaps, in the future rapprochet. So, there's really this orientation, like, the speculation. What I think is
Starting point is 01:01:11 interesting, is that the director of Santee Quebec, as I said, it's an ancient director of Biron, which is a group of health private. There are many of the part of this society of Biron that appertain to a fund
Starting point is 01:01:22 of investment that's called Nova Cap. And now, now, they are in majority or in control, there are in and they invests largely in these logioles
Starting point is 01:01:32 of data that could probably benefit of this transition to get a end up in other than the press that
Starting point is 01:01:40 is out of two months, where we said that Nova Cabe was really a mer of opportunity in technology. So they
Starting point is 01:01:48 are really branched on the AI, the technology of production, the speculation, but in the milieu of
Starting point is 01:01:53 the medicine, and they could be in trying to invests massively in this type of logicel that. You could have the pond on the service, for example,
Starting point is 01:02:00 that Epic System not fornice not being, it's not being implemented in Quebec, so we're going really, you,
Starting point is 01:02:08 I'll really, you, profited of that. Well, thank you, and then get the links over, right? Yeah,
Starting point is 01:02:15 forget us your text. It's really pleasure when we all right. So, it's the Info Cafe Snake at Jemel.com,
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