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Episode Date: September 30, 2025

Mounir fait une critique de l'essai "NPC" de François Fournier et Daphné revient sur la Dead Internet Theory (Sam Altman la redoute désormais) + HugoDécrypte au Québec, Les Abbatiello poursuivent leur expansion, Riyadh Festival, l’humour et la stratégie de l’Arabie saoudite pour s’imposer dans la pop culture, la fonction PULSE et recommandations culturelles.Notre Patreon: patreon.com/cafesnakeDigiMix:Dead Obies - Friday NightHugo DécrypteLuce Julien : « Je crois profondément encore au rôle des médias traditionnels »https://ici.radio-canada.ca/ohdio/premiere/emissions/penelope/segments/rattrapage/2185966/entrevue-avec-luce-julien-directrice-generale-information-radio-canadaABATIELLOLe Groupe Abbatiello met la main sur L’Œufrier, Alex Fontaine, Le Devoir, 23 septembre 2025, https://www.ledevoir.com/economie/919497/groupe-abbatiello-met-main-oeufrierSketch TikTok, Florent Montmignyhttps://www.tiktok.com/@florentmontminy/video/7553748645326179602RIYADH FESTIVALNetanyahu sur 'importance de Tiktok:https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1971757331928023134Anthony Blinkin sur Tiktok:https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1852851603365036222Elon Musk’s AI Grift, Jacob Silverman, The Nation, 12 septembre 2025, https://www.thenation.com/article/world/elon-musk-ai-saudi-funding/Visions of Mustaqbālna, Edward Ongweso Jr, Tech Bubble, 24 septembre 2025, https://substack.com/home/post/p-173201752DEAD INTERNET THEORY‘Dead internet theory’ gains ground amid rise of AI-generated content, Raúl Limón, 19 septembre 2025, El Pais, https://english.elpais.com/technology/2025-09-20/dead-internet-theory-gains-ground-amid-rise-of-ai-generated-content.htmlAI Generated 'Boring History' Videos Are Flooding YouTube and Drowning Out Real History, Jason Koebler, 404 Media, 3 septembre 2025, https://www.404media.co/ai-generated-boring-history-videos-are-flooding-youtube-and-drowning-out-real-history/?ref=daily-stories-newsletterDetecting and reducing scheming in AI models, Open Ai, 17 septembre, https://openai.com/index/detecting-and-reducing-scheming-in-ai-models/Livre: NPC: Essai sur la fabrique du conformisme, François Fournierhttps://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/NPC-Essai-sur-fabrique-conformisme/dp/B0FQHT3G25Recommandations:Le temps des monstres 003 https://open.spotify.com/episode/3lEx7hTmbev5iFroRUnXhd

Good morning Yo, it's my name I'm gonna lookie just I'm gonna say, you know, do you, what's gonna say to have Hello, man, it's Daphne Oh, but I'm obliged, I read a film of one hour on a horse

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on Spotify and Apple Podcast. What do you talk about today, Daphne? I'm going to come back on the dead

internet theory because that this month this Sal Mountain who is the CEO of Opin AI

who has brought the theory on the table. What do you will talk? What do you let say

NPC of Frank the dedeimmers or his alter ego intellectual, François-Fournier. For the people who know, you know, but it's a figure of the world of podcasting Quebecua. He has created an essay political

on the fabric of conformism. I would say that it's also a figure political of right, libertarian. The right of Quebec, an intervenant in Radio X and co-annuator

of the balladolian and Frank, so he has sent a book, and I've read, and we'll offer the critique or the review, in fact.

Without more tardy... The DJ News. Do-D-D-D-D-D-D-D. We've already been with this police, it's just that we've known the police. Oh, yeah. We've had to have this, I've had a lot of... I've had a contravention,

and he also had a contravention, and he also, because of this police, at every time you did the discourse enne. In this moment, I have a rage in the police who have done that. I'm in coler, I think that's just what it's what's happened. Last line till the club daz,

one last, till the sunrass, white wine, poor the sunglasses, what we all have. The journalist of T. Exactly. If you open the radio,

Qube, he's called the Muslim, Arab, Muslim, Arab, that the French. Living a lot. Every one is It's the last time, but it's never the last The circumstances change

at each time when I hear Andre or other talk through their expertise of centimeters, one of a minute, we never never, of a human, a child of 15-year, a father who has lost his baby,

it's like that he's known. Ready with me for church, I do my everyday simple makeup look, Kerastas, Glazed Drop. Your countries are going to hell. If Caitlin Jenner does it, So, Hugo Describosurant Hugo Dekryp, who's

become a full-blown media in France, he does interviews with all the most big figures political of France, that there's posts of press, at the Elisie, lance of the branch local of his media, who guard the name Hugo D'Ecrib, byr, and that will be in Marseille, Lyon, and now,

on Quebec. So he has made an announcement on a grand pomp. They've got engaged these journalists Quebecoise for part to the penchant Quebecois of media. The first video that they've released, it was a coverture of the Oncate of Tomo Gerber at Radio Canada

on the gestion of the to make pleasure to Olivia Primois, in plus, so all the elements were in their first topos? Is that it possible that the Quebec can't make of water? On paper, we're rich. 3% of

all the odos of the planet is to Quebec he's the he's a he's a year he's a year he has been a

time in the media where is he had been taloned by Marie Louise Arsono on how he he'll alimented

the gaffirme and at what he did not really do that really a journalistic I thought

that it's kind of I think it I'm the space media that don't our media

of our media of his new initiatives we've used all the space of Alex Plick And then Hugo Decrypt, it's like if suddenly, 10 years

the ecosystem mediatic had realized that there had some people who produced some content, or of information or an actuality, on the internet, when it's not relatively new, but in fact, it's like new in this space

media, I think, Hugo decry, politically, where is he's in the same, line, it's a competition direct, in fact, at Radio Canada, there's the same tone, it's the kind of

Macronism, a bit, party socialists French, so it's like a goche social, democrat, but very centrist, in fact, who will all the time relayed the information of the institutions.

I know not, you know, I know what, you know, they produce these long format, plus of vulgarization, you know, there are kind of these good videos that are offered, these good interviews,

but on the level journalism, I'm glad to what it's, I think it's a kind of a re-modeling to, like, Urbania, I think

not that it's, like, of what, of revolutionaries for the journalism Quebecois. And also it will be interesting to see how they

going to do you have the place in fact, or at these journalists there in the ecosystem meditative Quequeque is they want to

give their pass of press, is they will they're able to be able to get to the national. You know,

they generate a lot of engagement on their account on their account Instagram and TikTok.

Plus that, for example, let's, well, as much, in fact, that RAD

on TikTok, but what I think the media is not baned on Instagram, on META, you know, normally the media of information

are banned on Canada? Is it only an question of time, before that META repair, that there's a media of information that agies on Instagram? Because in this moment, they're really like the monopolies with them, and just like Alexander Laird, who has, like, she had due to announce

that she had been, that the competition had, and that they encouraged, but, you know, it's like an espouse of mediation who's inscribed in opposition with the media deroges, because in their discourse to rene continually the fact that they're

complementar and that's they're doing they refer the people to see that it's not really in opposition

of any way. And I think it's really interesting because the director's the director of the

interview at Penelope Wednesday because she had announced her retrait and we've posed the

question and here what's what she has responded and honestly, I think

there's there's a place for all the people and it's like we we're

trying to oppose and I know that it's all quitted, all that.

But I, I mean, Nicola Fam, we've worked in a RAD, who worked at RAD. I'm,

I have a respect for all of these persons that who do the content, the journalist. You have a

confidence that the population is also well, that? We can't not make all the

whole people in the same panier, I'm not, because there are the people who are extremely

serious, there are there are there other that are more serious. What I can say,

is that if we're if we're to do the vulgarization, the vulgarization of the newel of the

week, we can do it if we're doing from the news, and I'm not trying to say they're not doing it's not

the role major of a service of information, to informer the people, of the news, on infoing,

on continue and all, but it's to do you find the journalist of enquette, to find the journalist

scientific, it's that the role, to go, to all, to the media. And that, out of the news,

well, you can't be really alone. It's like it's like she, it's like she, it's like she

don't really do journalism, these people are some of the vulgarization. And I think it's, I think it it's a different

of the defundation but I'm sure, let's say something like Alexander Relay did really to the publicization

at their much of its capacity, and it's like, I'm not even like, I'm not even, I'm

even, more of course they're all to what they're going to work but they're and a gross repracheage, and, like, oh, finally,

Toma Gerbet is rendered at least, or, like, Mary Maud, Deny, you know, like, the people who are doing do you know,

so I'm going to be so they're going to be banning of meta. Today, you have announced that the group at Batiello, that's a

pizza Salvat, Topla, creamri, at Mami, Jack Lecoque, you have justed a banier. Hello,

welcome at the Frieree, is that I'm do you put your command? Uh, yeah, I'm going to , shied on the culture

Quebecues and it's made a great fret in all the Quebec. This time we

learned that the group Abatielo continued his expansion in doing the acquisition of the chain of dinner,

Lefriy, there's still 47 establishments in Quebec. Personally, it's not a restaurant

that I know really before to go regularly with the family of Mounet. Okay.

When we we go to djone at Aval, we're at Friyey And as I heard this newvel that, I think

that's maybe it's, you know, it's me that's me that's, I think it's perhaps it's a way for the abatielo to acquire a form of organ mediatic.

It's kind of a family that is very, very strongly axed on the communications that develop even an

espessem mediaatic alternative, you are very present on TikTok, they're so they're being also

with a discourse politics. He exprimed these points of view political on these cano that. And I'm thinking to the menu of the friar, because

it's a menu that's a very particular. Often, these names that are called on the actuality

Quebecoise. And, and sometimes I had like a malise by a how the items on

the menu was named. And I'm on the article in the Devoort published the 23 September

so, so he made just mention of the menus in this decision

that of acquisition. So we'll cite the proprietor original, Mr. Medina, and he said that to departure of his mark, Lefriere, it's something that was not necessarily easy to do, because the degenre is in the culture Quebecoise and that Lefriere had sues differentiated, notably at around these menus.

Elizabeth Abatello, who is part of the group Abatello, who is vice-president or communication, it's often her that we can't talk. She has said that, effectively, the family abatillo, she has been attired primarily by the marketing of Lefriere, which is kind of a little provocateur and still in line with the actuality Quebecoise. So there's something of a plus value in these menus there. Justly, we've made the exercise here. We're going on the internet to consult some

names. For example, in the bowl de jenny, there's one that's called the Petite Fute at Desjardin. So far, so good, I mean, yeah, it's something that's touch many of the people of Quebec. It's

a course there's a bowl of dinner that's a time in

a little I'm in the way that I'm in a lot of a administration of Valerri

Plank there's there's there's there on line we're going to

actually do the people who actually do the after that's after that's

soon the 23 percent of the tariff on the time, I'm not the tariff

on the I'm not certain of where it's And there's a other bowl of degeny that's called BBD.D.D. in Fugh.

There's always that I gogol DBD.D. I've discovered that it was actually the action of bombardier. So, that's the way to know in bourse.

If, let's the group at Batelo has some bombardier, why not? Why not? Why not? Why not?

It's like a journal. The menu becomes like a vector of propaganda to us encourage to get

to get to get to Bombardier. In the category of the Sandwich Smash Burger, there's a sandwich that's called All right at the S-A-A-Q, at the SAC,

and a other that's called the hyper-sensibility political. Even the Mac and Cheese. There's the Mac-N-Cheas, the Mac, not an other

grieve, so, there's not to solidarity for the grievous. The Mac, not a deficit, or the Mac, the influencer,

mal-comprice. So, so, there, like, there, like, there, like, there, like, there are, like,

influencers who are recondued the Mac and boy the taut change does it's also

all the tuss of the entrepreneurial the people who are directly touched by that or

even a pudding on showmeur that's called the guide the showmeur 2.0

maybe I read too much into it but I think it had in filigran a discourse

political with some with the value with you know if you

make the fact that you have been much there's there Indian of Montreal.

Yeah. I think the most great that you can trace is that all that's been considered by

a man sure. I don't know but what I think I think really interesting there's that I'm

about about about the Abatelloecoe and we talk about all the restaurants that all the restaurants

that's yeah, but I think we're also they're also they're envisaged to more

as many as entrepreneurs in the restaurant but to see that there a voluntary, even mediatic.

They want to they're doing meditically, they want to put their discourse. We'd have really to start

to them envisaged more than a business familial media. Well, it's because it's at that

their croissances, they're going to poste on TikTok early, it's because they've got to invests

in the pub not cheire in the podcasts, and they're going to have been the gross

podcast. I've discovered, it's what Pida Salvatory because that it's the first

the first the first announcerer of the podcast, pre a break that's at his debut, and he was in plenty of

croissant, so she, she, she, she, she, she'll she'll have done before,

uh, the chame and other entrepreneurs, they're just of his strategy, resosos

social. You know, he's he's defus the menu of the frier, it's also

a mediate. So, so what's your predictions of the theme of past, oh,

it's like, a low who, it's like, it's like, a knife benedictictit. So,

My next subject, it's in Arabi Saudi in fact, but it's implic these Americans. There were the Riyadh Comedy Festival Riyadh which is a new village in Arabi Saudi

who tries to be more and more to get in the pop culture world, in fact, the Arabis Saudi in general, but principally Riyadh

that organizes these festivals, the combat of box, the combat of M.M.A. and there, it's in the

actuality because it's been a kind of of news for the humorists to say in their podcast that they've

refuse these extremely good that's for to perform to the festival

of the festival there were there's Kevin Hart Bilbur Aziz Ansari Whitney

Cummings all the like A-list humorist American, and the humorist American,

Schingielis is on his podcast to say he had refused and when he he said

he said he said that he said he said it was a lot of many the port

of his community but also the internos in general but I thought it interesting

how the discourse had been recorded when you know, sheen Gilles in his podcast he said what he justifies that he

justifies that it's they're doing it the 11 September Everyone's like yeah you should do it everyone's doing it for Saudis

weren't those the 9-11 guys I asked me to go to the Middle East soon what? Where? Why?

Saudi Arabia and UAE or Dubai Dubai? Dubai? I think I'm going to pass

yeah I mean how do you even promote that. You know, like, from the folks that brought you to 9-11... Schingales, it's not necessarily the humorist the most adroit

in the podcast, bro. Certains, he would qualify even as like liberal, but, but he's very good-amied

with Joe Hogan. He has kind of surfed on the movement of the humorists that's vell, commentator political, you know,

he's always, he's never, he's never really made the two men there just all the time just all the other people

like, like Andrew Shultz or Joe Rogan. I think it's interesting to see how the Arabi Saudi's position in the pop culture American because I think it's to be more omnipresent. I think they're a different strategy that, let's on the Cator,

by example, who has, like, acquired the Paris-Sin-Germain, who is full-active in immobiliate in Europe, they detain plenty of property, plenty of stad, you know,

they're really the Cater and more in the affichage, in the brand awareness, and the Arabi-Saudits are in a little more what they want to mobilize like the tourism, and they want to create

these events and see create a presence in America in the North particularly. And I thought there was an image

that was really that's like they're like they're they're like their soft power they've done they've made

people in signant Karim Benzima Cristiano Ronaldo these immense contracts to play in their league of

soccer. They've also with their league of golf live golfing where is they offered these cashets

and the conditions of travel really incredible golfers who have many people who have quit

the PGA it's created a lot of controversies. And there, he's done with the flag football.

He's said to start a league of flag football and they've announced that in direct of a broadcast of a party

of football, the NFL, where is that Tom Brady, who is rendered at the retrait, who is an

announcer, has announced that he was going to a league to flag football. And the frame was really because in the

camera you saw Tom Brady and at the otherity general in divertism of the Arabi

Saudi, which is Turkey Alche Alshah I guess. And he is there with his abbey traditional Saudi, but with the lunettes of the sun, reband, and he doesn't

a word, but you see that he has demanded to be there, and Tom Brady, all right, like, yeah, because, and he's like an espious of awkwardness that is so palpant. So I'm very excited to announce that I'm coming out of retirement and teaming up

with his excellency Turkey al-A-L-L-Sheikh, Fanatics, OBB media, and my friends at Fox Sports to launch the Fanatics flag football class Even in the comments the people are

like you know who we understand they're Saudi have a lot of money weird that like these guys are all the time and they're not

a crisis of moot and then why the Arabis Saudi and all these countries in the peninsule Arab

the Emirates Arab Unis the Kuwait the Kato why all these countries want to become

the force of tourism it's because there there would remarked that one

one we'll have more more of dependence to energy fossil we will

so crack how make of the energy much more more poliant or we're going to continue the transition

that's automated to make like the electricity so they want to they want to invests with all the money for invests

in the tourism create capital cultural around the country like the Arab Saudi, there's plenty of new

historic. They want develop the tourism religious notaman but it has part

of a plan vision 2030 I think. The tourist religious is already excessively

developed that it's there's there there's the there try to develop more, you know, in this plan that, to diversify the economy, to conserve, finally, a power geopolitical.

I've seen also that the Arabis, said, is one of the most gross investors in all the start-up technological, in particular, all the whole thing has a lot of with intelligence artificial. So, you know, there's kind of people who, before several years,

and then, recently, the discourse, the font, it's intensified, but who talks of a potential bubble technological that's because there it's like if we invests

the million of dollars in these companies like OpenEye but the returns are not necessarily so spectacular.

It's a consumm enormously of resources, an energy, so it it's always more money to make sure

to make a good article in fact, I'll put two articles that I've read in the notes,

notably one who has puted in The Nation who talked between the Arabi Saudid

and Ilun Musk, too particularly They have invested in Twitter Like they're, they're some of

Twitter Right, exactly, these gross actioner of Twitter. It's like the line between Silicon Valley

and the Arabi Saudi, it would be reinforced to the legit of Prince Eritier Mohammed

Ben Salman. At the base, even, I think, you know, before that it's a

one of Twitter, it's, it was, already, the Arabis Saudi were kind of

power user of Twitter. It's so, it was a subplored because there abe, the repression

political is very strong, just to just rapped that, For example, in 2018, there's a journalist

who's been assassinated and demandre at the consulate of Arabi-Saudit at Istanbul. It's interesting to see like the link between the Arabi-Saudit and Twitter at the

time, before it's in a country where the word is very, very, very policed where we don't let's not the place to, let's be

vocal, the emphasis that Twitter on the liberty of expression, you it's really that also that Musk he made from And, just,

at this time, there there were many of Saudians that used the platform because it

they were to break finally, the law regional or local. Even if he did it

so the cover of the anonymity, the platform they never really protected, they never protected their

identity, which is that the Arabi Saudi, in having a link directly

with X with I with Ilun Mosque has the potentiality to go to go,

just, investigate, tracked these citizens who bris these laws. And then

Musk had had made the purchase of Twitter, there was the Washington Post

that had said that the investors who apparently invests more than $250

dollars in the company, so which includes the regime Saudiian, well,

it would receive a more great access to the information of the company or

this, but it's this information that or this has never been really been able to

Decised, it's what? But we can say that if, let's, let's talk, the musk, the health of these companies, of these multiple companies, depend on the Arabisaudit, well, clearly, that could be a little bit of connivance with this regime that. So, so, the government has invested these large sums in X, in X, in AI, and now it's rendered one of the same company, and we say, if the bule eclats, well, perhaps that, they, not only only they go ecoped, but they're like, they're like a little bit of the artisans of this bubble. It's a lot, in fact, that I've found interesting, that you've invited.

Yesterday, it was a clip on Twitter of Netanyahu who talked about the woke right. He said, I call it the woke Reich. That's a brilliant conversation. The woke right, because these people, you know, they're not any different from me. Woke, the left, I mean, they're insane, they're going to easy. But they're actually meeting on some of the things.

And what we have to do is we have to secure that part of the base of our support in the United States. That is being challenged systematically. A lot of this is done with money. Money of NGOs, vast. Money of governments, vaster. Okay? We have to fight back. How do we fight back?

We're going to have to use the tools of battle. You know, the weapons change over time. And the most important ones are on social media. And the most important purchase that is going on right now is Class? Five followers. TikTok. Number one, number one.

And I hope it goes through because it can be consequential. And the other one, what's the other one? That's most important. X. X. Yes. Very good. And, you know, so we have to talk to Elon.

He's not an enemy. What I've got interesting there. And, you know, that's not new, but it's really to really Who controls the media social? It's really Devenue, you know, an issue geopolitic.

And then, TikTok will be to have to have retcheting in part in any of the TikTok of the United by these companies American,

and we'll see potentially, with a billet Zionist. It's who, who said, that's the old Secretary of

Anthony Blinkin. Oh, but it's just when there had been the original that came out of Anthony Blinkin

who said with Mitt Romney. Which is some wonder why there was such overwhelming support for us to shut down potentially TikTok or other entities of that nature. If you look at the postings on TikTok and the number of mentions of Palestinians

relative to other social media sites, it's overwhelmingly so among TikTok broadcast. So I'd note that's of real interest. And the president will get the chance to make action in that regard. Well, it's like a little obscure and even if you bring up in, let's on Radio Carolina, or no, no, no, they want to have to do it. He wants to

Tick-Tock, at cause of Israel, we're treating the myth of anti-Semit. Exactly, or of complotists. Exactly. But it's been done, like, verbalment. By the Secretary of State, you know, but, but there, really, Netanyahu, who is mask-off moment, you know, it's, like, the affair the most important, it's TikTok.

It's literally... It's... And then, after that, he did X, and, and then, you said, X, but because it's really where the policeians is where the police, it's where there's the most of Nazi. It's said your take, so? Well, my take, he

said, because the question that's been made posed was on some of the figures that are very popular on Twitter, just like Candace Owen, Stoker Carson, he

said, the problem is TikTok and Twitter X, because there's there's a lot of discourse not only anti-Sionists

but just anti-Semit Nazi, you say, we're proche of Ilan, he's got to work with Ilan, but that's the

problem, it's TikTok and Twitter. Okay, I have an other theory to advance, is that in the

two cases, that we're talking about of TikTok or of X, finally, there are some of the interests

that's in those of the United, because Ilan, it's a little a little bit an electron liberal,

and if you think that the Arabi Saudi has invested enormously in their company, but there

there's probably to say that there's there's there's a way to normalize his reports with Israel.

I think on the question Israelan, Iland, it's not an electron liberal

to do you what I'm what I'm literally this There were a week, there were a lot of articles that that were talking about the relation to Israel and the Arabi-Saudit, because the rapport had to be normalized a little bit before 7 October.

There, there, the Arabis-Saudit had a lot refraudy, say, let's say, let's say, you know, his position, and even more, with the announcements of the government Israeli, that he project annexed the Cisjordani, so it's really a limit to not franchere. So, in this moment, there's

kind of a tension between the Arabis Saudi and Israel. In the same time, there are plenty of articles that sort like the Arabis

Saudi is at fond in the Aye and certainly in Fond in X and X, it's maybe for

that they talk about X that it's not it's not, it's not it's a meta, and META

and META are a functionist that. Prochain New News, we'd learned this year that

there had a new function that's integrated now at Chach GPT, the function pulse. I think it's important to talk to a point of view

technological, but also the point of view of the branding, you know, when we talk about Pulse, I'm, I understand directly the pooh, the batement of the heart, the core that is in a space of symbolism, the siage of the

love, of the emotions human, you know, when we want if someone is more of an attitude, the reflex, is to take his poup. So it's like if, in this moor, I I mean that we try to infuse even more of simulacres

of life in the intelligence artificial, that we're to be a coache a coche of more in the anthropomorphization. And I'd say that if the model initial of the chatbot

is the maybe of the model that will be perhaps be made to be to become to more the influenceer.

To revenue to Paul what's what is that, in the fun it's a functionality of the IA that makes

more than to respond to questions, in fact, it's anticipates your business, and it's

to propose these subjects of conversation, of the things to what you think, in function

of the data that you have shared. I'll read a couple of great

site that I saw, because yesterday when you did my research,

I had not seen the media Quebec who we had called.

Open and I launch Pulse a new assistant personal internalized, integrated to chat GPT, who will everer in the

Ombr to anticipate your business. Chat GPT becomes effraient. With the new function Pulse, LIA, respond to the questions that we have not still asked.

So, a flu that will us propose to do the content in function, it's that, like, I said, of the

data, that's the questions that we have already posed, and I think that we can also give access to

our couriel and to our Google Agenda. And it's like he We would propose, d'emble, to be a

proactive, a little of the conversation where he will know more more than he was more

more than he will be able to be able to talk about he will not be able to respond to this courier,

you've got this encounter. It's that does it really an back-and-force.

I'm just just that we've developed a relation parasoscial with Liat. We've had already talked

by example of the sub deal, of all the people who develop some little a little bit amourous with chat GPT.

Now, what could happen also is that not only there's a relation parasocial that is developed, but if, at the travel post, we can us serve these types of publicity, they're saying, hey, you've got fatigued, have you already thought to consume the vitamin C, it's good for tell, tell, tell, tell, reason,

well, it's going to be a relation parasocial a la influencer. It's like if he wanted, ultimately, automatically, automatize the relation parasocial that is created on the web with these people that who do you want to be

like the publicity it's on chat GPT it's. It's so, but he tries to create an influencer personalised in function of your

data. I think that it we push in a role very passive where we have even to pose some questions,

we don't even to think to what we it's a bit like the principle finally of the film algorithmic of TikTok

where you've even not to go to go to go to do the content all the to do you have to

do you have to find to find that you're doing on the recommendation that's... I think the

case of the chat GPT really is the assistant personal that you can't you look

and you he has he knows his apt to because surely ultimately a day

you'll be able you'll be able to you're going to use your telephone

for that you talk you talk to talk about that they become every morning every

way to like to like to like plenty of applications, and to do you have plenty of things, then it's all right,

and that's a chat GPT. Now, I've read a tweet of Sam Motteman that he cried the 25 September for talking about

about this new functionality Pulse. And again one time, he said, Pulse works for you overnight. Like if there

had this entity that while you were you were doing, you'd work in the ombred.

He us counsel, so to treat CHAPT a bit like just an assistant personal hyper

competent, with who it's worth the pain to partage our preferences, our boughs, for that he can be used to do a good

work of a very effective and extremely personalised. So it's a burden on you, the chat GPT

function not with you, it's because you've mal fide, you've been mal-formed. In a

sense, the intelligence artificial can be so much the time, and there, we're really

in a, in a, tangent anthropomorphismate, you're really in this idea of someone who

working for you, and it She also, a form of conversation constant, but with a tsu, you know, an interlocutor, who is synthetic, that exists not. You missed it, but the Internet died five years ago. Is 50% of the Internet bought? Have you heard about the dead Internet theory?

No. AI will flood the Internet so much, where the Internet will just be robots communicating with robots. Dead Internet theory is a conspiracy theory. The dead Internet theory relies on the idea that the Internet as we knew it died back to... I wanted to talk, notably because, I'd revere my my subjects

preferry, the intelligence artificial, and all what we can do you know, and I had the good to return on a

theory. I think I never talked at Cafe Snake that's called the Dead Internet Theory,

and it's sure that it makes part of the school in a certain moment,

but this month, it's in September, it's revened in the Bouch of Sam Althman,

so we had written on X that finally there had part dead internet theory so effectively

real. In the fact, this theory that stipule that one year, all the content that we will find out of

internet or the major part of the content, well, it will not be made by these humans,

but it will be generated by these bots or in any case, it seems that it's not

a time to turn to the sense that it in the time, in the firm

Imperva that had estimated that the maties of traffic on 2022 was created

by these bots. So, I see, but it's possible that maybe not totally the content, but kind of a lot of the content, so generated by these bots. I pass a lot of time. I procrastine

a lot of internet, and I'm going to magazine. I've already said so much that. I'm magazine, but I don't necessarily, there's cochenery. I just read the commenters of the acheter. And, at that, it seems that I'm like a rapport relational with the rest of

world, like literally at through my aches or my potentials I'm the feeling of an community that's a lot of

maybe it's a lot of it's dystopic but I listen to tell little the new new levels linear, you

in direct, let's not necessarily the TV, that it's a way to me to me to me

to be a way, I think that I think it's quite fascinating also that we talk often

of internet or the media social like these technologies anti-social, because, at my sense, Internet and the media social, it's these technologies that are eminently social. But it's not say that it's these technologies social, that's good for the sociality or for the humans or whatever, but it's always in relation with someone else.

I wanted to know in a cafe snake, but it's just not to do it, but I've read a good article in 4FourMedia, which is a co-op journalistic in the U.S.A. who cove not much the tech and it and it's called

the account YouTube that's for the people who are so that

it's like some of the trams sonor on a channel called a sleepless

historian the tagline is boring history for sleep so it's like it's like

it's like it's like it's like it's per example you can come on a video

two hour the title is like the peasants medieval, survive on the night the more more in the core.

You're talking like a little story, like, of the facts salliant on the peasants on medieval. Hey, guys, tonight we begin with the remarkable lives

and incredible resilience of medieval peasants, the everyday heroes who, despite the odds, managed to survive some of the coldest and most brutal nights in history. It was kind of

a market that existed before. I don't know because I'm not particularly of insominy, but it was made by these human, and then it's generated by

the IA, and it's a voice IIA, and it's even the fact IA. It's just, I mean, I said, I said, I'm kind of quite as an article that's, like, I guess, this type of video then, and I'm going to consultate one of these videos, and I just went the comments, because I said, like I said, like,

I said, like, I said, I'm fan of the comments, and there were, there's super-touching, of people everywhere in the world, he is mined in India, I'm anxious, I question everything in my life in this moment, Thank you for this distraction.

Bonnue to all. There, there was another. It was like, I adore to be connected to everyone in the section of the comment. I think to all the world in this moment.

I want you want to do what you want. I've got from the series. I've even read one that was really more

deep, where there was like a addic to cratom and he had been in desintox

of cratom she was not able to Dorming, in reading these comments I was touched. I was like, wow, it's just the humanity. You know, it's, it's so often the feeling

that I get when I read the comments in the video YouTube. Then, all right, I'm going to to find out of the 404 Media, and I got

that finally, these comments that were potentially these scams. Like the journalist it said, he said, it was potentially

written by these comments that had been remarked by plenty of people on Reddit, that several commenters,

were repliqued in several videos, brief, that it was potentially kind of a slup. Finally, the effect of community,

the effect of something to think I'm part of something of something that's a thing that's that Maltman

has tweeted the 3 September, you know, that he had never put the dead internet theory

on serious, but that there had the impression that it had been something to be a real.

On the Twitter, in the case, it's more navigable. Exactly. It's for that I prefer

Twitter, Quebec, because there's not really really a lot of a lot of it's kind of, let's a great tweet just about Dillon

the first question it's all about it's all about that's about what he says in the tweet. I'm asked why he had

tweeted this kind of thing because he had been in part of responsible of that you know, he's behind the

technology that we use to spam for spammy anything for create the AI that.

And I continued to learn a lot of these tweets it's just it's been it's that the bots,

it's these agents just personnel so much who have this possibility to know

to do you manipulate. So for him, the dead internet theory, yes,

it means an internet that's a internet dangerous, because an internet that's

an internet that will be not in the space of the kind of like an internet who is dead

who is more, if there is an internet that is made by what? But no,

because after the bots are created by who are in where who they oppose, who support, who

who is celebrated? Exactly. And then, if I see you look like like, by example, the communications of OpenEye that he has

retweeted, it's a mantended on the current of the month. The 17th September, he retweet the communications

of OpenEye who talked of an research that had been made by Opin AI the company,

and he talked of the comportment that had adopted certain of their models, so they

They call these frontier models. They employ, I'm interested, because they employ, there's a terminology that seems to frontier, we pass to the grand explorators, this idea of progress linear where it's always over the frontiers. And there, they say that they've seen these certain comportments that could be afraid or who could cause certain disagreements, but for the moment, nothing to serious. And there, they don't a non to this comportment that, that they've seen certain models

frontier adopted, they they call it skimming. Schiming, the way they say, they say it's

when it's when you know, in appearance, all in cashing, these veritable objectives.

It's an intention to give a voluntet to your models, like if there had a

voluntary proper, an conscience proper. Because scheming in French, it would literally say complot, conspired, or

organize a complo, managhanced, it's supposed a conscience, a voluntary, who, for the moment, is the attribute of the beings, of living, and not of these intelligence artificial. We have studied and

attenue these problems and apported these ameliorations significative to GPT-5 by rapport to the model precedent. So, now, we'd should be like, okay, oh, my God, Not only the robots can plot

behind our but they're because of OpenEye they've they've been they're continue.

At measure that the I'm sure that charge of complex and at long term having an impact on

the world real, the potential of complo so steaming of the complo that would

be augmentable will augment and finally our measures of

protection and our tests will have evolved in consequences.

They say even in general more a model will be powerful, the more he will be

intelligent, more he will have the potential to catch these these veritable intentions. They will affirm that the

core of or inavent of the research anti-skiming so anti-complos who they will do have to consist

to really to really understand the reasonment and the performance of a model, like if

we're really like if you need the human. And then then they will say,

well, we explore also the way to sensibilize, to collaborate with other companies of the IA, because it's super important. It's the robots who become complotist. We have a lot of the mind that we want to encourage

the transparency of the research in I.A. at the scale of the industry, when Sal Maltman tweets on things and he wants us inquieter, there's always anguze, I mean, that's to say that the power that will make make it in us, will always be instrumentalized

to do financement. We want to levy these capitals. When we think to, okay, dead internet theory, why he do we do

us do? How he did it do do you do us insti to the power that the public the web

will be controlled by these robots more these robots are intelligent but more they have tend to complotet

in our door and so what that means? It means a pipeline of cash without fin

So we have always money even if we arrive to create the more grand model of language the more

proficient, the more intelligent, between guillem we'll have even need of investment,

we'll have encore because there have developed these techniques sophisticate for power the

control or to power lineinginging it's a term that we employ in the lingua of the

intelligence artificial because it is question to say that we We want aligns the models with our values, but there you have to ask, but what value, like, like, the genre human, had uniformlyly the same values.

He construed the menace of the intelligence artificial, complotists, intelligent, to construct, this necessity, to be the control. How they control? Well, it's got more of research. There's, you know, an article in El Paix, that, which is a grand cutient in Spain, which is also available to tradue

in English. And even to the article of LPAis that covered a little this idea of Sam Altman

that the Dell Internet Theory, the article was biased and reprenate many

the point of language of the entrepreneurs in tech because he made that it's

equal more of slop, more of Kaka on internet, more of the commenter

generated by the robot but it's not a report. And then the article

in saying, in resum Ilia would not manipulate the users

for serve these proper interests. That's it's just supposed to the I

have a interest to her. Or those of these developers, nor cause of

prejudice social like the disinformation, but it's not the AI who create the disinformation

it's the people, the people who are people who they're using, it's just,

it's really things I think, I think there's things to be there's

attention to discos, not necessarily at the technology in so, the hardware, the software,

Now, we're really in a discourse publicistair, a discourse political, a discourse marketing, we want attire of the capitals. What are the strategies rhetorical? What are the new words that appear, soon, in a coup, in the discourse? What is it is this idea of scheming? Why is we should, because OpenEye

came to say that we've done to do a research and they've identified the scheming, why is we should have accepted this information there as being real and neutre. There are these products

technological that this company that create that, which, along this same company, would be

to plot to be in the do the dog of the human, like, it's not

the first that's used, the same the just of the other the Yoshua

Benjo he talks all of that there's there's kind of it's kind of an idea

that's coming in the two during the two years, but that's

it's disrespons I've been talking a lot, you know, the responsibility is not the idea,

it's the company that deploy, that's the company that deploy, that create, that code. But I'm what I'm that the investors

want to have the return at the report on the new to chat GPT, they want the model

super-intelligent that we reprimed in three years or there four years, I don't, I don't know

what, that you're not, you know, it's open and that's very well that it's

that will be need to be blocked always more of capital so that will invent a new

new recis a new story for new bernet you know. Thank you. Thank you my subject

concern the NPC so we're complementar I've used the essay NPC of Fransso

Fornier it says essay on the fabric of conformist it's a book print on

demand and it's on the number one of Canada for five years

so I I think it's interesting to read. For the people that know who, Franç, is the co-animator of the balladour, Yan and Frank, the detenteer of a metrize in philosophy. For the people who know it, Jan and Frank,

it's a podcast, a day or Tuesday, where is he decortique the actuality. The co-in-eater, Jan Senechal, is an ancient candidate of the ADQ,

someone who has parted of the Tink, and the group of militants just to make to the avant the ideas libertarian. It's the people, Jan Seneeshal,

also, who is in a committee economic formed by Eric Du M. So, they're really proche of the party conservator of Quebec, and we're coming to emerge, in any of my radar. During the pandemic, because

it was one of the only endroredeck in Quebec who supposed clearly, like, on the cover-feo or like the passport sanitar. There, he saw his

book, who called NPC, who want to decortiqued the phenomenon of conformism. So a new phenomenon, not really, but he wants

the approach with this angle that, to talk about the NPC, it's what? The NPC is the non-playable

character so let's you do a game video, there are many of the characters who are

just like AI, or they're just to sort of to do you do get to do the

action repetitive, they are just there for popple the map,

peplier the environment and it makes that you interact not with them,

but they have been a part important of the culture popular because

often we're to make reference to people who are these people who are not like to think of reflect or

to have an gentivity or to control on what's they're doing. And we're saying that person is

an NPC, tell person is a NPC because he has not there's a real real to really

that that Fras Furnier aboard in this leave and he part as premise

with the elections of the election of Mark Carney on the last election federal

who he was like he like the epidome of the movement NPC

and I I thought to see like this leave, that, who's a little like an

book, really not like an essay, we're doing some different, we're doing, we're saying,

this thing this is all affair, tell a affair, and it's all the time,

we're all the time we're still, you know, it's continually, I have often more the impression

to read just a essay of sort of, sort of, at the university or like at

Cep, it's really very, not essay even, like, dissertation, you know,

just like, okay, this is a paper sort of this subject that what's

what's what's that's what's it's a lot of there's like a

kind of when it's clearly like inclined politically and he was all the kind of

the phenomenon to be an NPC or to be not just at the right also, he

he brings all the time in reference the people who were not only opposed on measures

sanitary but he would Bill Gates the Puss of the class

Schwab these people but it It's kind of funny because it's like it's like

it's like it's like a lot of conformism or to the non-conformism and in the episode

preceding that I'm really really talking about this, the conformity, the transgression and how in so it's

not essentially good, nor meve it's not the right or the gosh,

it's just something that can be instrumental to do all sort of fashion. Well,

it's that the conclusion that comes in the book, he says that it's like, you're like, you're conformist on these things,

conformist on other, like he's finished with, we're all too, we're all this we're not, you know, it's all the same way, it's all right,

you know, he's said, like a bit, you know, it's like, it's, like, it's been corrected by Mr. Drok, who's madame

Chad GPT, that's that he's written in the credit, in the correction. I'd say, correction, but perhaps also

reformulation, like, sometimes I have the impression to read, of, graph at chat, GPT, I don't know that

sometimes I feel like I feel like when it's always, and sometimes I felt when it was when it was over-formuling. That's, it was quite

fashant, sometimes. It was like a critique literary of this live. I think that exist well

all all alone. If you've not listened, like I'm like I'm like I'm just one or two times per

a week, I'd listen, if I know their inside and all, this book would not

too sense than that, because he reving all the same place of their inside on their insides

on the phrases that he qualifies he says all the time of Carney he has a good CIV

or plenty of elements like I'm I'm familiar with their sense of the humor because I have already

seen their show but like you'd be like in the library he's not in the library but if you

don't know it's like who's what he what's what you mean? And I think that just

we have a definition of NPC his role in the culture web you know he's a

meme the Wojack the I support the current thing that we see on Twitter

But we're like, but we're like, but we're not more, like, the role of the culture web in, like, genre or in the diffusion of ideology politics, like, how it's interagery on the web, this concept of NPC, how it's to develop? It's what the role of the web there. But the rage bait, the kickbait,

the, all, that. It's just like, it's issued the culture web, Fortune, Reddit, blah, blah, blah. When you can maximise the reactions, it's sure that you can't be non-conformist. And it's, and it's, like, it's like, it's like, we've also a lot of Cafe Snake,

the Contrarian, that's the show, like, the keynote of Peter Thiel on, like, Be A Contrarian, or, or, just, the tweet of Somaltman,

of, like, and, like, the thesis of all the book, it's, like, it's, like, the people, it's, like,

it's interesting with that, is that, is that, he's not , he's not the question of where it

has been that, and how historically he is arrived to think of that? Well,

yes, he's he did plenty of chapters, the psychology of NPC, the economy, the NPC, the philosophy

of the conformism, in fact, so he's made the history, and he talks of, you know, the banality of the mal, and all these things of all, and he goes to cites, okay, what's what he said,

what he said, he has made 10 person in a piece who have pointed, which is the last long, and they are all they're all they're all

every person. But at each chapter, it's like, I'm sure that it's like it's something like, it's like, it's like, it's

the resumies of studies, and at the end of the chapter we're saying it's like when Karni we said

it's like a good CV it's like what you what's what you're doing finally it's what

it's what he's what it's what his own point? His point is that we mean

to think to think to think it's not bad to think the same thing

than other people but you have all time know why we're all

that's fair use of think critical. It's like the moral

of the history, the benefits of like the individuality, the individualism you have to think we're

that you're that's that's that comes in part I think that this discourse

that is influenced by the Christianity evangelical who puts a rapport

individual with the sacred with the Bible so that's inscries

in the fuller of individualism Occidental, it's typical it's not just you think

by it's read the text sacri by it, interpret it.

And it have a relationship, like, like they'd say, who's in person, and it's like, yeah, it's true that there's people who are

that they're, but he's not necessarily, to feel to them just at cause of that, and I think there's a certain

way, like, it's true, that it's true, like, to, like, revelishing to the information that

is submitted. But, I mean, there's a reprie, or not a repri, but,

like, a lack of on the phenomenon political when he thinks that the moment have voted for

Karni because of the conformism political, It's like, just like, for him, it's that, you know, like,

this is what's what's the people, they're not in the gentivity, and there's anything that's anything like,

and politically, or socialally, for they convict other than, like, like, want to, like,

they're coming all the time, it's like, they're ostracized, they're, they're, they're just, people,

who are unique, who are they've finished by, you know, by saying, at least, we know, we know,

that there's, that there's all the percentage of the population that will I think it's like... Well, I think it's kind of... Well, I think that's

perhaps one of the book, finally, the human aim to feel special. But it's that, but I think that... A great

Verity. But I think just if it's that, you know, it's one facet of his analysis political. It's sure that

the world will not the time to see the politics and the world won't get an affair and they're going to

their opinion with that. But to think that's that's that to make to the election to Karnie,

without ever kind critiqued the campaign of Pierre polioble. I know that's not that they're talking, but I mean, he says he's the NPC, and that finally, they're all

voted in bloke, without past that there are different forms political, that the spectrums, that the spectrums, and the spectrum? And what are the values of these people that, you know, it's not everyone who has their same vision of the world than he?

That's so, so I thought that I'm like, okay, it's interesting, he wants decortique the conformist. I think that, you know, in the lecture, it's really redondent, to read, to read, it's like, it's like, it really, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's

like all the time this modus operandi to like to find a an institute Hopkins, no, no, no, no,

I said that's like, okay, okay, nice. Like, it's so long, let's, let's talk, because,

let's say, because, let's say, because, I mean, he's, like, Matthew Bocote, you. And it's like

different to Matthew Bocote, because Matthew Bokote, it's these long paragraph that durd and then it's long, you know offence,

but I'm not say, It's like a long... Loggeret. Yeah, loggerie. Like, like he parr, but it's even worse. When you read, it's encore pere, and they're part of a phenomenon

of actuality, and they're back, and they remode in the history, and then, you know, no, no. And, and, in fact, he recount a lot more a story, that, like, Francoff Forney. I think it's interesting

how it's received in the middle of, like, the right of Quebec, on Twitter, and all, he receives full of engagement, you see, it's these people that they're actually, the live is number one

of the vans, and, like, I heard the critic of Yan Sinichard, and he's like, yeah, it's really a work intellectual, we know, we know,

we know, we know, you know, it's like, we know, it's like, we value, in fact, the travel intellectual

of Frank, which is like, like, like, anypone of any other work to do that, I think that,

I think that, I think that, I think, I'd like, yeah, leave to Frank, it's, it's the estimate

because we don't know the solution to the issue of the society of the same but in same time,

if I was just a critic direct, it's like, like, what you want to be in this

book, or the way to me to say to be in a case, you know, because you have you

have you have to the case, that the phenomenon NPC, in the society in this moment, it's a

first of the book for that I want to read the rest of and I think that

has never been made like seriously I, it's never I've made like, it's right

the world I, I, I, I, I, In fact, in the front, you'd have wanted someone of a little bit

more talented at the level to convince of these ideas of droid. But I'd say, he'd create a fucking full book on 200 pages.

No, everyone can create these books when you're auto-publied and that's auto-public, and that it's quite complicated. In fact, I just said,

there's just a time, I said that there's many, many people who search to make that on their LinkedIn,

their CV, are these published authors, and that that does essence, to a market

even secondary, you know, of ghost writer, because we live in a space

of culture of the entrepreneur where it's well, it's good, to have a book,

you know, whatever the garbage you put in the book, we can get,

like, it's like, add, there's, like, a chapter or a

section on the NPC and the depression, and try to make the

ghostists are more depressed, so, in the In fact, it's more the NPC, because when you're depressed, in fact, you care plus about the opinion of the other. It's so a bit the logic of that.

You care about the world, and the world will not be bad, so you're depressed. And then, they're on the graphic, at the beginning, that's like, okay, well, the Republicans and the United, they're not so much depressed one than the other. And then, finally, they're on a other graphic to say, well, you know, in this graphic, it's really different. So, he'll get it with that. And then, he says, there, I said, yeah, these results suggest that, that, in an environment social or numeric saturated

of opinion and norms, the persons depressive risk to become these relays passive of points of view dominant, not by conviction, but by lack of anchorage internal.

Inci, the NPC not is reduced to a caricature of a mangue of intelligence, his comportment can result of a suffering

interior, in parenthesis, and of a abandon of silenceous in its sovereignty cognitive, liable esteem

of his proper capacity or of his judgment. But that's kind of interesting because it

has been medicalize in fact a position political. It's so the return to the

return to the biology. And at the beginning, because he said at the NPC, it's depressive.

And then it's like, in the point of view political, it's that you suffer

of malady mental. But it's that, and he's he goes all the time like to bring this

that that's not just the right because the ultra-completists at the right they're also they're not because they're

they're Anne and Frank during the pandemic he had not particularly like he was opposed to measure sound time

but it's the new order world it's a complo blah blah they want they're all

they're just like fuck the fuck the go they've let's get the people but not like

all this exist not but he's he's they're like hardcore complotists opposition

control the people. It was like you're like with a whatever but you want to

do you want to like that you're not you want to you're just, you want to do cash on the views

blah blah so he he's all the example to say here like here at right

but much more at gosh I think I think I think I think it's like

it's but for me the complotists all it's people who have people

who had to try to try to to give a what's to do

had not necessarily of sense. So he has tried to try to find a explanation and it's a

reflection, and it's a real thing, human, normal. We're we're talking of the

story before the time. So for me I don't know that like something

of necessarily a sign of folly or even of stupidery of nisery. The book is like

almost 200 pages it's at a coup of little paragraph or sometimes of

sections of two page it seems to like an an espess of an

piece of it's like a little strange. I think it would have been more interesting on fact.

We don't in plenty of of the universe radiophonic or podcast of their podcast for

to understand a little it makes in a little of ideas that he partage often

I think his tone is really different in the book in the podcast

in the podcast they have more they have kind of divagate and it's like

it's like it's like it's just that it His name is Frank the dedomisor. Dedeomizer, it's because it's this image of the universe of Jeff Filion

that the Quebec would be under a dome that would be influenced by the rest of the culture either American or Occidental in general. So, he de-domis it, it means

that he'll leave the dome on the Quebec and he's shocked in fact. He's it. He's allowed to be in contact with the Zadgeis. Exactly.

This is his idea. Thank you. Thank you. Well, thank you, Mnir, for this segment. I wanted to make a recommendation cultural, before they quitted. I wanted to recommend the new podcast Quebecoise The Time of Monstre.

The last episode that I've was an interview with Judith Lefebvre that I really, really appreciated, so to listen to this episode. Yeah, it was really good, because they said that I was cute in the episode. Okay.

So, so on that, we'll do, at the week next. The week next, it's going to be an episode is available only exclusively entirely on

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