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Episode Date: January 28, 2025

On aborde la place du NPC dans la conscience populaire et dans les courants philosophiques qui façonnent Silicon Valley. On couvre aussi l'univers idéologique de 4chan à travers la tragédie de Nashville le 22 janvier 2025. Amazon Quebec, Inauguration de Trump +++ Simulacre et simulations, par Jean Baudrillard⁠https://www.leslibraires.ca/auteur/jean-baudrillard-29765⁠ Full stack Trumpism, dans Garbage Day par Ryan Broderick⁠https://www.garbageday.email/p/full-stack-trumpism⁠ Trump Admin Accused of Using AI to Draft Executive Orders, par Maggie Harrison-Dupré dans Futurism: ⁠https://futurism.com/trump-admin-accused-ai-executive-orders⁠ Pinkydoll, l'épilogue The TESCREAL bundle: Eugenics and the promise of utopia through artificial general intelligence par Timnit Gebru et Émile P. Torres, dans Peer-Reviewed Journal of the Internet : ⁠https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/13636⁠ Self-Made: Creating Our Identities from Da Vinci to the Kardashians par Tara Isabelle Burton, ⁠https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62873964-self-made⁠ Redpilling Normies: An Ethnography of Alt-Right 4chan Discourse https://digitalcommons.butler.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1648&context=ugtheses

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I forgot that I was watching a movie about a bear for an hour. I was really frustrated. I don't watch that movie. It's coffee snake. Hello, I'm Daphne. I forgot that I was watching a movie about a bear for an hour. I was really frustrated. I don't watch that movie. It's coffee snake. Hello, I'm Daphne. I forgot that I was watching a movie about a bear for an hour. Hello everyone! Welcome to Café Snake!

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And I'm going to do a review on Pinky Doll the NPC trend and how it allows you to understand the omnipresent zoologies in Silicon Valley. And what are you going to talk about Mounir? Today I'm going to come back to a school shooting that took place in the United States on January 22 in Nashville, Tennessee, where a shooter killed two people in his school. There was still a huge digital footprint, he even left two manifestos. He belonged to a French internet who is rarely documented or who is rarely decorticated. And I think that if we are to have a podcast on culture, I think we have to address it in one episode. Everything that revolves around the universe of 4chan and the fringe and neo-nazi ideologies

of the internet. It's big. Well, it, but we're in an era that's dark enough. So without further ado, Lady G News. It is the Lord of the Akaka. As soon as I finish my 5th grade, I do my financial class, but a visual conference, if possible. Excuse me, madam, what are you listening to? 360 Charlie XCX Some people don't know where it comes from. Some young people don't know where it comes from. There are young people who don't know where the struggles their fathers have caused come from. They risked their jobs to go on strike.

Three months and six months. I saw that in Asbestos in 1949, in Aluminium in 1952, in Murdochville after that, and so on. It's the union movement that's built for that. Against the bourgeois, against the trade unions, against the elites. As long as we wanted to be on this platform, there are interesting people we want to join on TikTok and we have some great content to present to you. Interesting things, you will learn things, we will inform you. And all that in the pleasure and in the TikTok format.

So you will see the security of Quebec, maybe in a new angle. And that's going to be interesting. So, big week, it was Donald J. Trump's inauguration. We back baby. It's not funny. Interesting thing, the first thing I want to say about the inauguration is that before it happens, I was like, ok, do you want to watch Trump's inauguration? You weren't that conscious that it was a media product, a presidential inauguration, it's a big show. Usually it's outside, but there was the polar vortex, so people weren't outside, they were in an arena.

It was funny. I tried to remember all the inaugurations I saw and I thought that this one was so huge and so huge and I was like ok Trump is really back like high school kid's shows that he plays trumpet a fucking ball at the end where he dances with his family What I find interesting about Trump's inauguration day is that we were able could follow his full day. We saw him for almost 24 hours on camera, when he sits at his desk and starts streaming, signing decrees.

I think that the media product was pushed to its highest paroxysm. We're going to talk about the Nazi Salute that ignited the media, especially because we have an auditor who wrote to us who would like to have an analysis on the controversy of the Nazi Salute and I quote it, the futility to know if it was real or not and its place in political hyperreality. Well, you can order the episodes just if you are on our Patreon. Exclusive privilege. So that's it, there are a lot of things that have been said and written about it, and I don't necessarily want to repeat what has already been said. All I can say is that I've already shared in an Instagram story, and that I can link it to Baudrillard, which I read, so Simulaq and Simulation.

It's dense and literary, not necessarily like something that's completely raw in the book, it's really a thought to decode. I understand his thought to Baudrillard. It's not necessarily like something that's completely raw in the positive in our society, led to general indignation, especially through the media, to perpetuate a form of status quo. And then, I just named what I shared in the story. Baudrillard writes « Last week, we used to hide a scandal. Today, we use to hide that we don't need it. » And that's interesting because earlier in the year, I think in 2024, September 2023. There was a kind of scandal in Canada about this Nazi that we would have applauded, that we would have enraged in the House of Commons. And I remember at that time, I was collaborating

with Toupes Arrivé, and I suggested to them to talk about it, precisely by showing that it was very much flowing with media anchors on that. And it was a way to divert attention from deleterious people, real Nazis, people who are fascists and who have executive power. So really more dangerous than this old man we applauded. Unfortunately, we didn't want to do that segment,

but I'm telling you now because it's interesting. Baudrillard really criticizes the media through the criticism of the scandal mechanism. Compared to other interventions I've read on Instagram, it's a bit the same way that the scandal around the Nazi salute of Ilhan works. Not that you should accept it and think it's something sensational, on the contrary, but it's not a scandal,

in fact. That's what we need to understand, or in fact that's what Baudrillard tells us to understand. We've been seeing an Holocaust perpetuate directly in front of our eyes, on our cell phones, which is being questioned by our leaders, especially, in large part, the President of the United States. Why is a symbol of hate, a symbol of this genocidal hate, which refers to another Holocaust, a scandal insofar as we see a genocide, a Holocaust, which has been part of our daily life for a year and a half? You know, I've even been obsessed with Trump supporters. They say it's not a Nazi salute,

Ilan is just an autistic person. And the thing is, you can't, and that's why it's so real, you can't even argue that the motion, because everyone has a lot of examples of Macron doing this, or Kamala doing that, I think what was distinctive about what Ilan did, it's really the momentum with which he carried his arm forward.

I think that and the fact that his arm was completely straight when he did it, it's indeniable. Even calling him a Nazi salute, I don't think Ilan is a Nazi, he's pro-Sianist, pro-Israel. No, but it's precisely the Zionism that doesn't exclude the Nazism. In fact, the Zionism is a doctrine that is very much related to Nazism. So it's that argument about what he looked like or what he didn't look like. As you said, seeing the world indignant, the knees are going to drop. But if we want to continue with Baudrillard, he says that the media, as an organ that will push to popular indignation, that will push to scandal, work for the order of the capital. He says that the capital is immoral and

unscrupulous, it can only exercise itself behind a moral superstructure, and I quote, and whoever wants to regenerate this public morality, so we will regenerate it by the scandal, by indignation, denunciation, work spontaneously for the order of the capital. He says, and by necessarily talking about the Watergate scandal, so do the Washington Post journalists. That's in his text and just to continue, we can talk about it as far as, as I said earlier, genocide is still happening relatively under a media apathy, there is apathy in the media, while this Nazi salute generates indignation.

And there I continue by quoting Boudrillard, everything that the capital asks us in fact, is to receive it as rational or to fight it in the name of rationality, to receive it as moral or to fight it in the name of immorality. This is what we also see in the media, the genocide of the Palestinians. We want to receive it as rational, we want to receive it as moral. It's legitimate defense, it's a war, it's a conflict, it's a fight against terrorists. So it becomes moral, it becomes logical, and the Nazi salute, it is received as something to fight against immorality and irrational names.

But in the end, what are these two rhetoric for? The capital, which is not moral. Neither moral nor rational. The capital has no social pact. So there you have it, that's my take on the Nazi salute. Question asked, question answered. And then, day went on, speech after speech, live streaming. And then Trump put on stage, on a stage in front of more than 20,000 people,

the signature of his first decrees. How Trump treats his decrees, that's what we read in a newsletter. He treats it like his new tweets. His ways of establishing culture, the zeitgeist. It's to send, to let the internet react to his statements, but in the form of decrees. That's right, it comes from Ryan Broderick, who is the web culture chronicler for the Garbage Day newsletter. I'm going to put the reference in the notes of the show, but his article is called Full Stack Trumpism.

He says we are witnessing an updated version of his 2016 strategy, which was governed by tweets. So governed by tweets. And there it's like a strategy that says cunningly reversed, in the sense that tweets, it's not tweets that dictate policies as you say, or that dictate laws, finally, but laws as fast and as throwable as tweets. Throwable, I think that's the right translation, but I don't know, I don't have it. I copied and pasted it like... Disposable.

Yeah, exactly, disposable. And then he continues by saying that, finally, this kind of massive flood of decrees generates a discourse that ends up feeding the platforms. So it's like there was a kind of reversal, but it ended up doing the same thing. And there he says that the goal of this is really literally to create a form of chaos, it's a cruelty, because there are so many people who are affected in their own, in their survival through these decrees. No matter if they are unconstitutional, if they are illegal, the idea is to create a form of chaos. And then he adds, and this is not something I saw develop really elsewhere, but that

according to some specialists of artificial intelligence, and this comes from an article that was published in Futurism, the decrees or the way they were written and written seem to have been generated, at least in part, by artificial intelligence. As Futurism reported this week, the orders have the typos and formatting. So they even have the kinds of errors that we often find consistent with using programs like Chat, GPT... Or Grec. Or Grec, that's it. And we'll also put the article in reference to Futurism that we both read. That's the dystopia of this alleged artificial intelligence that had to save us according to the giants of tech. It's now used to generate decrees. Well, which creates a kind of legal, legislative blur. Completely.

I saw videos that started to come out of construction sites where there are only 30% of people who show up because everyone is afraid to go to their workplace because a lot of construction forces in the US are people in irregular situations. It's already starting the ICE raids which are their anti-immigration service or which supervise border front-line immigration.

It's a combination of decrees, proclamations and apologies. I think it's more than 200 signatures of Trump. It's not just decrees. There are some who also threaten the health and security of trans people. Seven people in the same room. One, one, the Canadian again, Garnier. Yes, I know, but I'm not sure if I can hear you. Two, two, I didn't drink orange juice this morning. No orange juice.

And now, Monique, you wanted to talk to us about something that's happening in Quebec. Yes, that's right. In Quebec, the multinational company, one of the biggest companies in the world, Amazon, decided to close its operations in Quebec, but in fact, Amazon, how it started, especially in Canada or outside the United States, started by associating with subcontractors who managed the distribution of products in the last mile or in the last mile. This is the last mile delivery. We will create distribution centers and one of the most important parts of product shipping is the last trajectory of the package. The last mile delivery? Yes, it's a term in shipping. The last mile delivery.

In fact, for a long time in Quebec, I remember when I started using Amazon, it was before 2013, in 2014, it was always third-party companies that took care of shipping. And Amazon, to save costs, started a huge integration strategy of... there's just one word in French, but it's streamlining, basically, to control all the chains of the operation of their Amazon services. So in Quebec,

we were able to start having distribution centers, drivers, that are used directly by Amazon. You can see it, it went from Intelcom to an Amazon truck in front of you. Before in Quebec, there weren't Amazon trucks. When I say before, it's like 5-6 years ago. It's really something new.

It's since after COVID that they started to really establish themselves and use Amazon in Quebec. And then they decided to cut their operations only in Quebec. Thomas Gerbet's article that broke the news in Radio Canada. Breaking the news, it's not in French, it's Break the News. Break the News. But we say break the internet. And that's how we can read in Thomas Gerbeck's article that brought the news.

It's, according to our information, the unionization of the 250 employees of the Laval warehouse. In the last few months, it would not be strange to this decision. Amazon has fought for a long time to prevent it. So we're just going to establish the aval that is the head of the pro-worker movement. There are several things that I find interesting in this. I find it terrible because not only are there more than 2000 jobs lost directly at Amazon, but in total, at the end of the week, it will reach over 3000 people who will have to completely change the sector. I have to say something, there are two things.

First, at the moment, the government of Quebec is executing huge cuts in the health sector, and they are disabling nurses from the benefit sector, not just staff and managers. It really has less attention in the Quebec media cycle. Do you know a nurse personally who comes to get licensed? Yes, the mother of one of my friends. 33 years of service at C3S de Laval. Your job is abolished after 33 years. I find that strange as we often hear that there is a shortage of nurses, that there is a shortage of prepositions for the beneficiaries.

And then what do we do? Do we cut their jobs? I wonder if she was very old and maybe she was expensive on a salary scale.'m just wondering if she was old enough to pay for the salary. It's crazy that she's allowed to do that. I can't wait to see. But that's the restructuring of Health Québec. They have to save a million dollars. So cut jobs. In health. Well, that's what's going on. This week people received the letters. And we went through... If you went to listen to the radio every day this week,

it started all the time it would start with Amazon. Amazon. We're literally losing our posts. There's also how the new ecosystem... Because when a news comes like this, that catches the eye, it's not just through the media that this news will spread. A lot of screenshots will be taken over by a big blog ecosystem, whether on TikTok or Instagram. I call it blogs because it's a common language,

but it's not... it's Instagram pages or TikTok pages. And how the news was presented at the base, and I think a lot of people still believe that, is that Amazon was going to stop its activities in Quebec. Amazon is shutting down in Quebec. For like two days, there were a lot of people in the comments who said that Amazon was not going to down in Quebec. For two days, there were a lot of people in the comments saying that Amazon was going to stop existing in Quebec. I think it's interesting to see how these places... The fact that we don't have news on Instagram,

makes sure that a page like mtllatest or mtlstories has control over the narrative of a... What we call news assure. People who are make screen captures, who will take up the big titles of traditional media, and they will spread it on their pages to attract views, clicks, but without really adding

something to the discourse, without adding analysis or another dimension, another approach, another angle. Really just relaying, almost flying, literally capturing some news. And also distorting them, because it's way more clickbait to say you won't have access to Amazon in Quebec anymore, they won't ship anything here. There's an ambiguity, because it's true that Amazon shut down in Quebec,

but they don't shut down their services, they're going to sub-treat it now, they're going to have an adaptation. And I find that Amazon is so ruthless, they hate Quebec so much, the day after they after the announcement, they removed the Amazon logo on their distribution center. I don't know if I should say that it was already organized. There were renovations. I don't know why Quebec is so terrible.

But I think that collectively, Quebec is being... No, but it's federated around a kind of hate shared against the web giants. We've been talking for weeks since Trump Trump and his lobby to conquer us. If the United States made a law on the measures of the guard, and the government, the companies were at the disposal of the government, all the cloud information services, Microsoft, Google and Amazon,

if they decide to stop making this work in Canada, we're completely, we're defenseless. Like, we don't, you know, not talking about a lot of sovereignty or whatever, but we didn't develop technological sovereignty in any way. And it's just the reality. It's still bleak. Another moment of meme politics, François Legault, who comes out after the cuckoo

to give his press conference, but in the corridor he's being hosted by journalists, is asked, hey, this interview in my zone, close, what do you think of that? And the first thing he said to us was, hey, the Canadian won again yesterday. He seduced me, at that moment I was like, oh my god, that's so good. Well, it's just that you noticed his memetic potential. Yeah, no, it's... And you admired him.

Yeah, I thought that was great. So they just grabbed him. And what did he have to say? He said he won yesterday and I didn't drink orange juice yesterday. It's in the idea of fighting against American tariffs that the Quelecois wouldn't necessarily have orange juice if they were partners. Let's go, we're going to buy cut that.

Okay, so as I said, my segment is called Pinky Doll, the epilogue, and I want to go back to Pinky Doll and the NPC trend and say how it allows us to understand omnipresent ideologies in the social and university circles of Silicon Valley, which are particularly focused on artificial intelligence. And that's important, because these ideologies aren't necessarily mainstream, but they're quite common ideologies among men, especially the most powerful on the planet. They were all aligned with each other, thanks to Donald Trump. This is something that we've never seen before. The CEOs of some of the most powerful and wealthy technology

and media companies in the world seated on the platform for the inauguration of an American president. Here's what we know. The CEOs of Apple, Amazon, Google, Meta, Tesla, and of course the social media site X will all appear on the Capitol's west front. And my reflection is part of a tweet that Munir sent me this week,

a tweet from Sam Altman, who is the CEO, the director of OpenAI, who is also pursued by his sister Anne Altman for sexual assault, which would have taken place between 1997 and 2006, when she was between 3 and 12 years old. On January 22, as to shorten Donald Trump's power a little bit... A kind of change in the shoulder rifle like Zuck did. Exactly, he tweeted, he said, I consider POTUS, the president of the United States,

more attentive in recent times. And it really changed my point of view on him. In parentheses, I would have liked to think more about myself, and I clearly fell into the NPC trap. So the trap NPC. In French, what is NPC? It's PNG. Et là il continue,

je ne vais pas être d'accord avec lui, donc avec Donald Trump surtout, mais je pense qu'il sera incroyable pour le pays à bien des égards. C'est vrai que ce tweet-là a l'air anodin, mais à l'intérieur de quelques phrases seulement, on articule plusieurs détenants d'un paquet d'idéologie dangereuse interconnectées entre elles, qui sont populaires of a dangerous ideology package interconnected with each other, which are popular, as I said, in the Big Tech world, and which can be named after the acronym TESCREAL. So TESCREAL is an acronym that was formed by the computer scientist Timnit Gebru, who I really like, and the philosopher Emil P. Torres in 2023. It's linked to a scientific paper that we will put in the notes of the show.

So, test kéal, t-e-s, c-r-e-a-l, and there it joins several interconnected ideologies as I said, which are transhumanism, extropianism, singularitarism, cosmism, rationalism, altruism, and long-termism. Why are these ideologies dangerous? Because they are directly derived from the eugenic movement of the 20th century, eugenics that we find, in particular, in movements like nazism. So that's it, obviously, we still talked a lot, especially in Quebec, about NPC, when Pink Idol was at the top of its popularity. NPC is a character in a video game, a non-player character.

This character, his interventions are pre-recorded, his script is limited, coded and predictable. So by extension, we will deal with NPCs, individuals who seem to lack autonomy or even self-determination. So treating someone as an NPC is insulting. It's insinuating that this person doesn't think for himself, that he doesn't make his own decisions, that he doesn't have a desire for will, in the image of a robot. I'm fucking surrounded by robots around me, man.

Hostile, man, where am I? Come save me, someone, if you hear my message! They're figures in video games. They'll often repeat the same thing. They'll walk in weird choreographies, run into walls, and in GTA, they're the people we're going to kill without mercy. They're NPCs.

And it's never said explicitly, but implicitly, la figure, la métaphore, le personnage du NPC, il est souvent féminisé. On peut penser au personnage de la Fembot, donc la femme robot, disponible, soumise à notre service, qui n'a pas nécessairement de pouvoir d'autodétermination justement. Parlons d'autodé-determination since we're talking about NPC. I just finished the book Self-made, Creating Our Identities from Davensey to the Kardashian by Tara Isabel Burton, a book that I really liked. In her book, Tara Isabel Burton will talk about the idea of self-creation, the self-made man, the self-made woman, the self-made men, self-made women, self-made anything that is central in our Western culture,

it's highly valued and it's put in opposition with the figure of something that would not be self-made, the automatic. What Burton is going to tell us, and I'm really roughly summarizing the conclusion of his book, but it's that this myth of self-creation, of self-made, it ultimately serves to the supremacy of certain people. It allows us to socially discriminate certain people that we consider unable to self-create. So on one side there are those who self-create, the self-made, and on the other those who are created. It creates a social hierarchy. And it's certain that she brought this up a long time ago, like the Renaissance, and she will

especially talk about the dandy, the figure of the dandy that appears at the end of the 18th century in England, men who want elegant, refined, who claim to be a form of eccentricity and that will distinguish themselves from the crowd, from the common of mortals, by the artifice, the clothes, the make-up, a button flower, a way of speaking. A hipster in the background. And these dandelions, I think for example of the figure of Oscar Wilde, are sometimes literary men and they will generate literature, they will write. And there is this image of the robot, more particularly of the female robot, which often appears in their writings.

And it's as if they had developed an obsession for robots, because through the industrial revolution that appeared at the end of 1700, the beginning of 1800, they have a kind of fear because technology, the social changes that live, democratize elements of self-creation that, until then, were clean, were expensive and allowed them to distance themselves from others. The figure of the humanoid, the android, appears, this kind of human-face robot that often has the traits of a woman, and which serves us to establish the difference between what would be a real person, in quotes. This real person is generally a man, an artist, a genius, and the false individuals, the false people who would be produced in

series, machines, androids, the female robots. Libertas literally tells us those who the modern language of Twitter could call the NPCs. She says it's not exaggerated to say according to her that the dandies were literally obsessed with robots because they were obsessed with what these robots represented. So the idea that some people were real, had more value, and that others were mass products from modernity and precisely that had less value. Often in their writings, in the imagination of dandism, the robot takes the traits of certain people, particularly women, people of color, or lower social class members.

In these stories, the female robot is artificial, like the dandies, because as I said, they use the artifice to distance themselves from the common dead, but far from being a self-made woman, so a self-made woman who doesn't self-create. Someone who has the capacity to determine his own destiny, his own presentation to the world, she is, and I quote again, Burton, simply a product formed by the ingenuity of a genius. We see that through this great myth of self-creation, which is fundamental in the West, there is an hidden inequality. Otherwise, the idea that self-creation is the supreme development, it allows us to update ourselves as human beings,

and we think of philosophers like Nietzsche, but it's like not everyone could self-create, could achieve this kind of emancipation. And in the figure of the automat, there is this idea that there are some people who can do it, others don't. So consequently, some people are more human than others. And that's interesting because self-creation is a key concept in the test-realistic ideologies that I was talking about, which are running in the Silicon Valley. These people in tech don't necessarily see self-creation as a simple possibility, but it's really a moral obligation for humans to self-create.

Not only self-create, but it's also a culture of self-optimization, of perfection, you know, the grind culture on... Biohacking. Yes, biohacking in particular. Brian Johnson, the tech entrepreneur who sold Venmo for $800 million, has spent a fortune on a quest to stay young forever. Don't die is the general theme of what we're trying to do. It's humanity's only objective. These are ways of thinking that are also very present in the web culture.

And it goes as far as the transcending of its humanity. It teaches us to transcend it, or it pushes us. We want the fusion of man and machine. We even want to surpass the biological reality of our bodies. That's why there are plenty of rich people who die, who will be made to cryonize in California, especially with the Alcor company. And that's part of the extropianism,

this kind of delirium of cryonization, because we were saying, hey, in a few years, we'll have enough to advance technology to finally just be able to download your consciousness, I don't know on what support, and just plug it into a machine, and you'll be able to live without your body. For the fervent people of extro-pianism, there's obviously a question of self-experience and optimization of each aspect of their human existence.

But there's also the idea of getting rid of all limitations that are linked to their human condition. And these limitations, we can understand them as social limitations. So we would have to get rid of not only limitations of our body, but also beliefs, customs, the nature of things, which would be like a break to our freedom, let's say, from our possibility to update ourselves. And literally, not only to give ourselves back to birth, but tocreate the entire human history. When we talk about test-realism, all these ideologies,

they are ideologies that push us to re-inscribe ourselves in society, in its customs, in its traditions. It's the Contrarian thought line. We've already talked about it in the Snake Cafe, but it's like that also that Musk likes to show off. You know, when he went to a Trump rally and said I'm dark, gothic, maga, it's like he was showing off like someone who was out of the ordinary, a bit like the goths in high school, the rebels, the people who were not like the masses. In the 90s, there are a lot of people who weren't like the masses. In the 90s, a lot of people went to change their names,

to rename themselves, so erase everything that could make a sign towards a form of tradition or custom within their name. And there's even one who went to get rid of the human character of his name, and he renamed himself FM Traduion 2030. And I don't know if you're like me, but it reminds me of the name of the first baby of Grimes and Musk, that Musk parades everywhere in his public appearances. I don't even know how to pronounce it, but XAEA Traduion 12. It feels like we're in front of a machine.

We can also talk about Peter Thiel, a billionaire who has generously funded the GDVance campaign. He wrote a book for entrepreneurs called Zero to One. Even the title of this book, the myth of self-creation, is present from zero to one, where he presents the founder of the startup as the ultimate creator, the ultimate god, the secular heir of the Renaissance genius and the man of the wall business who uncovers the strings of the custom. And there I quote again Burton. Burton will quote Till who says, the most contrarian thing you can do is not to oppose yourself to the crowd, but to think for yourself. Think for yourself.

And that's exactly what we find in Sam Altman's tweet. So, I wish I had done more of my own thinking and definitely I fell in the NPC trap. So, all this idea of self-creation, of the self-made man, of someone who thinks by himself, in opposition to those who cannot think by themselves, who are less than human, hateful. When he continues, he says to me, I'm not going to agree with him on everything, so I'm not really going to agree on everything, but I think it's the right direction that our state is taking. But it's also to reiterate that I'm happy that it's him, let's say the president, but I continue to be a self-made man. So I continue to think for myself.

In Montmain, there is a precedent of being not only pro-Trump, but anti-Trump. So he puts this last sentence at the end to say, no, but I'm not selling everything I said, everything I said before, now, as I'm going to keep a kind of edge that will make sure that I'm not agree with everything, but we'll see. Well, you know, in my opinion, and then we come back to my intervention in the Didi News, but what is in all this is not a political point of view more than the capital. Exactly. That's really it.

Because it's the day after the announcement of Stargate, which is an investment of $500 billion for open and health infrastructure. It's like, yes, yes, I don't want to agree with him on the genres and the TV work, but... What's your opinion on the genres and the telework. Let's go back to Pinky Doll, who is a figure from the Quebec media landscape, which has not necessarily, I think, been analyzed or understood as it should be. It's just a value. No, exactly, by the Quebec media. The Quebec figure is also emblematic of the web in that it became a bit of the standard for NPC streams in 2023, I think. Where she was doing streams on TikTok, often repeating.

Pop, amazing! Ice cream so good! She was playing the role of this non-playable character in a video game. I'm so good. On TikTok, the money donations take the form of gifts. It can be an ice cream cone, it can be a galaxy, a cowboy hat, and every time you send her a gift, depending on the size of the gift, she would react with certain sentences. When Pinky Doll becomes famous, we end up inviting her to talk about it, after half of the world has already talked about it. And just to say it, Pinky Doll is a Canadian-French Quebecer. She speaks French. So obviously, she will undergo treatment at Nellie Arcan, because Pinky Doll is also

an erotic worker. She has an OnlyFans. She's a black woman. We don't take her seriously, but rather from above, with a dose of disdain, but also fascination. In the eyes of Guillaume Page, we looked at the segment yesterday where she appeared to everyone, it's as if the global phenomenon of NPC streaming that she ends up embodying in the eyes of Quebec, but also the public who watches these streams, so the public sur TikTok qui lui donne de l'argent. Ben moi je comprends. C'est qui ces gens-là?

Représente pour Guilla une bizarrerie, une étrangeté du monde moderne. Un signe de déclin. Exactement, de la dégringolade. Un spectacle en vertu duquel on peut quoi? Se sentir peut-être plus humain. Ou du moins, on peut mesurer notre propre humanité contre celle which we can, what, feel more human or less? We can measure our own humanity against that of Pinky Doll or even those who send her gifts. And there, we take up the logic of the dandies who talk about robot women, but we also take up the logic of the freak show that we have already addressed in our episode called The Hour of Authenticity. But if we remind her that she is an erotic

trans woman because he's going to talk about her account OnlyFans, we don't recognize the erotic charge of her performance because she embodies a form of fantasy. As if human sexuality was not completely diverse, burst, sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's weird, sometimes it's awkward, and that often includes funny games.. And around the table, I don't remember exactly, there's Catherine, the French singer, and there's also Marie... Marie-Lynne Jonquo. Yeah. Who does a lot of...

Blag. Intervention. Who participates in this kind of collective fascination. I don't know, I love the character! Incrudility. It's like if there's a Page, talking about this phenomenon, asking Pinky Doll, he showed us that, well, I would never give money, but it's because I'm not the crowd, I'm not stupid at this point.

Me neither, I would never say ice cream, so good. I would never play the zombie, the NPC in front of my screen to receive cash. This kind of judgment, we feel more human compared to those we look at, that we find less human than us. We give ourselves value by distancing ourselves from them. It's a non-playable character. We who are... Playable characters. The artists! Well, it's interesting that you say that because what really separates Guillaupage from Pinky Doll? The two play the same role. They earn their lives in the same way, being entertainment figures. They are both entertainers. And from there, the idea that this kind of distance, of fascination,

it's a bit like what dandies have towards technology, robots. It's about anxiety and fear in relation to your own status, to your own power, to the social hierarchy that you occupy, because suddenly, it's in the a lot more visibility than you. Because that's the underlying theme of this interview. Yeah, what are you doing? You're going to devalue them, you're going to distance yourself from them. You better value yourself. And you're going to start like that too, it's a classic thing that the biggest youtuber in France, Squeezie, has denounced.

Because you know, he was one of the figures who really had to go on the traditional media and make his art edition, which is a little bit of a guide to the page down there. All the big French media all the time, like, offer a pop version of what is the creation we need for the introduction to the mass, it was Squeezie, who was there at the time in France. And he, he had to all the time,

every time he started an interview, how do you earn your life? How do you make... as if you had to come and defend a crime, like... How do you make money? Does Revenu Québec hear you? Does he ask this Guillaume Le Page? Explain to us how you make money? Does Revenu Québec hear you? Does he ask him to have the page? Explain to us how you make money, how you proceed, and why you are paid.

Because Revenu Canada and Revenu Québec are aware of this? Or they take it away from you? Yes, they are watching me. But it's not the kind of speech we would have if we invited a comedian to a lecture, or an actor or an animator. would contain if we invited a comedian, a great listener or even an animator or an actor. And that's like, it's specific to the content creation. We always ask ourselves how you earn your life, but it's like advertising revenue like you who has the page, and in addition, who has the page, it's on the public broadcaster.

I just want to point out that we're talking about self-made, the myth of self-creation from way back, but she points out in this interview, in addition, and I'm want to point out that we've been talking about self-made, the myth of self-creation for so long, but she points out in this interview, in addition, and I'm going to put the extract, that she's in a process of self-creation, that she plays a role, that she plays it deliberately, so that she has a power over herself and that this power and this job is lucrative. You see, everything I do, I know what I'm doing. This world I created, I created it. It's interesting because Pinky Doll is also known because she comes out of her character. She's a single mother, she has to take care of her young son at home.

So during her streams, she manages to get out of her character. And when she comes out of her character, she stops speaking English and starts speaking French to her son. He teaches her the discipline. So that became known internationally because people were fascinated by that kind of character. Exactly. And that's one thing, because all these figures that have become really popular in the increase of streaming NPCs, if there is one that succeeded, it's him who made the NPC Miles Morales. Miles Morales is like the African American version of Spider-Man in the new Marvel comic books.

So he disguised himself as Spider-Man, he does the same stream, the same shit that... Maybe less erotic. No, not erotic, it's just more funny. He has like these things, but what like, what does he do in public? So he's often being sarcastic or intimidated in public. And the moment that he's interesting or put on Twitter

is when he's going to push back. When someone insults him and then he's going to say, hey, leave me alone, I'm doing my stuff, why are you bothering me? And then everyone puts him on Twitter and is like, OMG, NPC Maz, he got that dog in him. Like, oh my God, I didn't know he was going to... He was going to fart.

And that's what became his entertainment. And it went on until a year, two years later. All of this is interesting, and the day after his passage, everyone talks about it. I, who don't watch TV, I didn't necessarily consume its media coverage, but I saw a trolley of comments on Facebook, and journalists, well known and respected, who were protesting their disgust and disgust against this interview, who were calling for empty words, the person

is empty, the phenomenon is empty, it's, as you said, a kind of sign of a certain decline in our society. What I read in those comments was a pitophobia and a black misogyny that was barely seen, but that the people who mediaized it didn't seem to be aware that they were doing that. More broadly, I think that in this context, we are seeing the contempt that traditional media have long cultivated for everything that was very attracted to digital culture. So something that really didn't help them in the end, and which I think today contributes to their crisis. It also comes from a form of ideology

called digital dualism, where we have reconduced, and we still reconduce in the media, this kind of binary opposition between what would be physical and digital. And when we talk about binary opposition, we often give more value to one than to the other. So we value the physical and we devalue the digital, which would not be the cover of the real life. Whereas the real today is digital and physical. We can't save each other's lives. We don't have the same respect for the web culture as the so-called ordinary culture. We don't have the same curiosity. We don't have the same openness. The right-wing has become the exception of some major media and even of some major platforms.

I think, for example, of Donald Trump, who was banned from Twitter for a while. What pushed them to do was to really put on foot an entire ecosystem of alternative media. They didn't devalue the web. They understood that it was an extremely powerful tool. They didn't take it from above. They studied the functioning of the meme. They really took advantage of all its potential and now it's them who are unfortunately dominating the media ecosystem. I think that if the media hadn't had this attitude, and if they had tried to see a little further than the tip of their nose,

we might not have gotten where we are today. And I think that's a responsibility that traditional media don't take. In the same way, everyone talks about it, it would have been necessary to understand that Pinky Doll is a Quebecer who marked the history of the web. And that in this, she is perhaps more important and less forgettable than a Guillaume Page or a Marilyn Jonka. Or anyone sitting at this table tonight. Because she marked the imagination of internet users up representing what was a streamer NPC. What the NPC figure, the concept, the meme, the metaphor tells us about the world we live in, is also important. And it was interesting that at the time of NPCs, when it became really popular,

we talk about it in the media. But that's what I just did today, by talking to you about the NPC's figure and how we can link it to ideologies that date from the Renaissance and that are now embodied in Silicon Valley among the most powerful men in the world. Let's go! a 17 year old boy named Solomon Anderson shot 10 shots in a school in 17 seconds in the cafeteria at 11am killed a 16 year old student, Jocelyn Soraya Escalante In the US in 2024, there were 83 school shootings that were monitored by the school shooting tracker that CNN has.

Yeah, well, I mean, I had discovered a tracker of that kind. All the public schools in Nashville are equipped with an artificial intelligence system called Omni-Lert. Which is a live analysis of camera wires, where it promises to detect weapons in fire. It's a system that's sold at schools and the system failed because it's not that it didn't see the rifle. It's just that the rifle was hidden. He came in with a gun. I'm just going to read the description of Omni-Lert. Powered by artificial intelligence in parentheses A.I.

Omni- J.P.T. Omni-Lert gun detects reliably and rapidly recognize firearms and immediately triggers multi-channel communications and automated predefined safety protocols. It's not really the point of my segment, but I just thought it was interesting when I started looking at it. That all the schools in Nashville have an AI system to detect guns. But how do they detect a gun?

So the three steps. AI detection. Continuously scans camera feeds for visible firearms. After, if one detects the AI, human verification. So it's like a camera that monitors the camera wires live. And when there's an alert, someone verifies it. If it's conclusive, they call the police. But it's a kind of recognition through algorithmic patterns that relate to the shape of an object.

Exactly. But it could very well take another object for a weapon. It's this, but that didn't recognize it. And here it was already on the preamble. It's a rather bleak subject. I think that if we want to cover web culture, we also have to talk about other parts of the internet that are not mainstream and that are not necessarily well documented.

Because the young man who took his life during the fuselage had a fairly important digital footprint which was defined in the media as a black neo-Nazi, a a white supremacist black. Because the young man was afro-American and it's still atypical in the profile of the school shooters usually. It's even a kind of meme that's popular, that it's like Couds-du-Bourrises who are going to make jokes. The school shooter is a problem of white or whatever. There is so much school shooting in the United States, they are making jokes

about it now. So there, it already marked the imaginary because it was a young afro-American who was the school shooter, who defined himself as a black white nationalist. But he seemed to be quite politicized. Exactly. He left a huge manifesto, he left a 22 page diary. I don't necessarily want to go through that, but what I notice is that it belongs to a kind of lexicon, and an imaginary, and a universe. It's close to an internet corner that we commonly call the Alt-Right. We don't really call it that anymore.

How do we call it now? I would say GROYPER-RIGHT It's GROYPER, it's the new word I hear often. How do you write it? GROYPER It's all adjacent to the fact that Elon bought Twitter and freed the neo-Nazis because he was banned before. But in the end, it's that we can be neo-Nazis in a de-complexed way.

Exactly, on Twitter. Apart from when you directly face Elon Musk, you're banned. My first exposure to the violence we can find on this website is in March 2019 when he was shot at Christchurch in New Zealand. I talked about the internet to everyone through my experience with it because I don't think I'm necessarily an expert, but I'm just someone who's been on the internet for a long time. I mean, there aren't many people who do the web culture journalistic coverage yet, but the first thing you have to do is not go to school, read your books, it's to be on the internet.

Exactly. It's to participate. And often I find that I've read that somewhere, but I was like, I relate. The coverage of the web culture done by people who aren't on the internet, it appears right away. I was already familiar with 4chan because when I was a teenager, in the quest of where the memes came from, and I already told you that, I saw memes on 9gags, on Facebook, and I wanted to know where they came from.

I was like, where does the world take that, who creates these memes? And it was like, what, you know, at 13 years old... Minimune... And in a comment section on Reddit, I saw someone who said all the memes on the internet come from 4chan. And I was like,

Oh my God, what is 4chan? It's the Alibaba cave. That's it. And what is 4chan? It's an image board site. The translation is like an image forum. There is a lot of content on the internet that explains what 4chan is. an image forum. There's a lot of content on the internet explaining what 4chan is, especially on YouTube. There's a lot of trial videos that I think are really better than the coverage we'll find in the media.

There's this famous clip that's always referenced where we see a CNN host talking about 4chan and saying that the hacker known as 4chan refers to 4chan as if he were a person. He's like an hacker. which refers to 4chan as if it was a person. I'm talking about 4chan to talk about this tragedy at Christchurch because for me it's a bit the same culture. 4chan is the place where it flourished and really defined in recent decades. I think it's the site that has had the most importance for the neo-Nazi or white nationalism currents in the 2010s. Because the type of discourse that is in it on 4chan spread a little everywhere on the internet. It's mainstreamized and it has developed figures that with their faces will defend these ideas like the neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes who is is pretty prominent on Twitter and everywhere on the internet.

He's relatively young too. Yeah, he's 24 years old. There's no reference to 4chan in Tennessee's history, but it's just the lexicon of his manifesto. It's a reference now. Yeah, at least it starts from there, it evolves, it's spread on the internet. But basically, like the heart, it's really this culture of this image forum site that was created in 2003. So to go back to my experience in this universe, in search of where memes come from at 13 years old,

I see that, I'm told it's on 4chan, on a board called SlashBee. It's a bit like Reddit, it's like 4chan.org slash. There's Bee, there's Poll for politics, there's TV, there's like you know, there are several topics, people are discussing. But Bee is for random. So it's just, no matter what people publish, what's important with 4chan is that people are discussing. But B is for random. So it doesn't matter what people publish. What matters with 4chan is that it's anonymous. And that there aren't many memories on the 4chan website. So publications that don't have a lot of engagement

disappear pretty quickly. And publications aren't permanent. So everything disappears eventually. What I saw at that age already made me realize how much the internet was out of track. And I didn't really realize that at that age. But then you get to Slash B and all they had was a lot of porn and memes through that.

I have an anecdote, okay? The first time I saw something out of the ordinary, it was people on a forum, a kind of a site, a girl who vomited in the mouth of a guy, and then the guy who vomited his vomit in his mouth. And I was so excited. And I was like, I have to show this to my father, he's going to be pissed.

But it didn't excite me, it was just like a find, you know? I showed it to my father and he got really angry and he was like, you're never going to see this site again. When I say the point, it's like the point angry and was like, you'll never see this again. When I say the point, it's the point of detracking. There was a kind of calm down for when the actress, who was like me, I'm telling you, it's an actress who's in a lot of movies, Chloe Grace Morat, was going to become a major. That's my introduction at 13. I'm not back on 4chan anymore, but I knew it existed now.

There were people who anonymously published completely trashed shit. It really marked me at that age. So when the Christchurch story arrived, I saw on Twitter that the person had not only livestreamed, she had livestreamed on Facebook, but she had published a manifesto on another site that is like 4chan, but it's an alternative that's written called 8chan. I've read everything that people say about 8chan.

And the tone of the terrorist attack, by criticizing how they could optimize the number of people who kill... Who are more Arabs. With a kind of detachment and a deep hatred, the tone that is used to talk about the life, the death of people who are not white, who are not European. Who are less human. Today, this kind of place on the internet to attract teenagers has been mostly replaced by Discord. In fact, it seems surprising because it's a platform that is associated

with chatting with your friends while you play video games or listening to a series like Daphne and I, who listen to Occupation Dope remotely. But this site is actually full of servers that are lures for children to introducing them to grooming or ideological grooming. Sexual or ideological grooming. It's a big problem on Discord that the company recognizes. And the young person who did this murder in Nashville

was really active on Discord. I don't want to demonize the site completely because even I use Discord. I love Discord. But you have to be aware of how intrusive it can be in the life of a teenager. Because people develop their identity. Discord has this idea that you spend a lot of time passing on it. People are in voice chats doing other things. People are in text chats writing constantly.

It becomes another life that you develop on Discord. I think that when you're a teenager and you're intimidated by this guy or whatever, it becomes your real life. I mean, you replace your material life with that, it becomes your real life. The place where you've grown up or where you exist. Socially. Because you're always in a relationship with other people. It's like us when we're on Discord together. We're each in our respective apartments and we open Discord and we can talk about anything. And sometimes we were watching something in the city hall.

I'm going to try to decipher, and I found a paper that analyzes language on 4chan, but I think that's the most important thing. I'm going to link it in the episode. The paper is called Red Pilling Normies, An ethnography of all tried 4chan discourse. It's at Butler University in the United States. I'm going to give you some clues to know

when you see something on the internet that belongs to an ideological universe. The first one, we can see in the writings of the shooter of Nashville in his manifestos, is that everything revolves around the idea of race realism. Free translation, racial realism or scientific racism. There is already a link in the name when we say race realism, it's like it's created in something real. It's the idea that the colors of skin, the ethnic origins are essentially one thing or another. We come back to in essentialism. Exactly. Let's say that European whites are superior, innovative, intelligent.

Afro-descendants are less intelligent, more athletic. South Asians lack hygiene. Basically, it's the kind of... how did I write that? Stereotypes. It's an attempt to intellectualize racial stereotypes with a white supremacist vision. In fact, that's just it. The shooter of Nashville accepted this reality itself as an African American person.

He defined himself as inferior to the other. That's interesting because it's like misogyny. I'm not a black woman, but I'm a white woman. But I internalized misogyny. If it wasn't outside of me, patriarchy is really something that's part of me. Maybe sometimes I feel inferior. The second point, there is one of the pillars of the discourse that we will hear about in these forums or in this ideological study, it's all that surrounds the discussions between men and women. It's the great injustice

of their lives. Women are not interested in themselves, it's not their fault. We often call these people incels, but there is a claim of the term that developed over the years. So we're going to talk about true cell, fake cell. The young man in Nashville called himself an N-word cell. So that's how he defined himself. Wow. There's all kinds of varieties. Exactly. Another one, and I'm really not an expert, but you'll be able to see it in the paper I'm going to give you. It's all around the language.

I couldn't define them all now, but they're constantly evolving. But there are common ones, for example. If you see someone say hello friend on YouTube, on Twitter, F-R-E-N, this word friend, a common name on slash pole. That's what we want to talk about the community. Elon, a few years ago, a year ago,

was often going to say in the morning, good morning friend. So he was going to take that language back because he always wanted us to identify him as being part of this Internet fringe which is in the Internet's collective internet, the most powerful fringe. In 2010, 4chan convinced young Justin Bieber fans to cut their hair for Justin Bieber. They orchestrated this on Twitter, in general with the commitment on hashtags.

They manipulated the internet, they made crazy Shia Labeouf with his American flag. 4chan's lore is so deep, this non-organized, decentralized community has managed to accomplish a lot on the internet. And yes, even if she's a racist, white nationalist demoniac, she has a aura of respect for her power on the internet. But wouldn't the aura come from the fact that they are, as we say, contrarian? So in the opposite direction, they are inscribed against society, against social contract. And that's also what's attractive. We've talked about that, the ideologies of self creation, self-made self-creation. When you use their terminology, you make a sign, you say, I know this, I'm not outside of this, not a normie.

Exactly, it's all about that,. Not a normie. Exactly. It's always normie. Normie can become, in a way, after that they have all the pointy sense, but normie could be a synonym of NPC. There is also in the language, when we want to designate an ethnicity except the whites, we will always call it by the most derogatory term. You will discover that all ethnicities have derogatory terms. But if you refer to an ethnicity, you have to call it by the worst word possible to describe it. It's essential, it's terrible to say. So that's the language for Chan.

When I read his extracts, his manifesto, I was like, Oh my God, it's not only a white nationalist, but he comes from this online universe. I know he claimed a lot of Candace Owen. It's that he takes up the codes of different terrorist attacks, including the murder of Christchurch that I mentioned at the beginning, where before killing Muslims, he said subscribe to PewDiePie. PewDiePie was the biggest and most popular. At that time, he was competing with the Indian T-Series channel to remain the most popular channel in the world. It was a big campaign, Subscribe for PewDiePie. And he said that and it became a big thing that made this terrorist attack come out of the water.

And it was really reused, reused, and PewDiePie had to talk about it. This idea of when you're going to make an attack like that, incorporate things from web culture, that it's part of the self-discussion of what you're going to do. So not only did he talk about Candace Owens, he said he was visiting the subreddit RMarkaPlyer. But it's a public relations strategy. It's a public relations strategy. It's a public relations strategy.

It will include other prominent figures in your crime so that it transcends you. It transcends your person and it will affect those people who will have to express themselves, to talk about it. Oh my God, he mentioned you in his manifesto. He said in his manifesto that he takes takes the same format as other manifestos, from the last few years, where it's like he's interviewing himself. So it's like, why are you doing this? And he answers the question. And he says, I visit the subreddit a lot, rmorkapplier.

He's a YouTuber who does gaming content. It's like a legend YouTube icon, who has never had any controversy. You know, a wholesome creator on YouTube, you have like Mark Applier who comes to mind. There is no hate in his subreddit. And now he's putting this community, the internet, on blast. It's just to make people jazzy. I think we really need to be careful when we talk about memes,

because imagine in the media of heritage, they'll say, oh, Pepe the Frog, symbol of 4chan. But for example, Pepe the Frog, it's an emote on Twitch, which is on Twitch since Twitch's creation. On the chat, in his outfit, you'll see people using different PP declines. It's not a symbol of the extradote universally, it's an original meme on the internet of PPDeFrog. But after that, like a word, I mean, semantically, it's fluid, it changes the meaning that we attribute to certain images.

I know that at the base, when PPDeFrog came out, I worked in a bookshop specializing in comics. It was a really underground comic, not so popular. And it had nothing to do with the political right. It was recovered by the right. After that, the creator tried to recover his own symbol. And I imagine that with the years, it's moving too. It brings me back to Ilan and the Nazi salute. I want to talk about it a bit because for me personally,

my theory about the Nazi salute at the inauguration was really just to point out the online shitposter. Ilan has his theories and when he's in events like that, his dream, his ambition is that as soon as the camera is on him, he does something that will become a meme clip. He's going to do thumbs up, he's going to jump, he's always going to try to get involved in the lure of the internet. Here is an image of reaction, it's a meme.

But that's it, it's like he studied the meme, he studied it intuitively. It's like when you're on the internet, when you're a power user, you understand everything you do in the physical world, it has an impact afterwards in the digital world. It's like a media representation, when everything is filmed, captured. And cultural slacking is always a step aside. It's always a little uncanny, a little weird. Like the little movements, the little jumps he makes when he jumps. Because as far as I'm concerned, it's much worse that Elon a year and a half ago said Good morning friend, or posts memes of Pepe memes of PP coming from 4chan universe.

What does he mean by making a semi-Nazi greeting at the inauguration? This is really a message to people on his website because the idea is that Elon, before he really got involved in politics, the idea was that Elon was secretly based, but he couldn't say it. So he made little signs like saying good morning friend, or posting memes, sometimes a little edgy. It was like this idea that he couldn't say it, but it was one of theirs. What happened with the visor crisis?

A bit like when you're now part of the queer community, and there's all kinds of signs that, for example, maybe less at the moment, but like back in the days, when it was a lot harder, and well, it's always hard to be queer, but The Light, there were these markers that you could put in your way of dressing a little scarf in your pocket that indicated that you were part of the queer community, and it was just understood and read as such by other members of the community. My theory is that Elon, over the years, has used their language, their memes, since the debate on qualified immigrants in the United States and their unconditional support for Israel,

he has become not only not one of their own, but a hated figure of the right-wing, the white nationalists. He has become the enemy to be defeated. He is the person that, oh my God, Ilan is not one of our own at all, even if he is our enemy. So for me, how I imagine it is, he wanted to be a meme for them. He wanted to shitpost, even Nick Fuentes loved the Nazi saloon. He thought it was a perfect day, we had a Nazi saloon. The only thing that he missed was the rabbi's speech at the inauguration. It's really the kind of anti-Semitic speech he was saying.

I think that often when we are confronted with right-wing ideas in the media or online, or whatever in the leftist space, we will often have the reflexes of extreme right, as Mathieu would say. Any manifestation of the right, we will say it is the extreme right. I find it easy and it makes sure that we do not debate on ideas. If I have a case on why my idea is better, I do not need to make your idea infrequent by saying that it is of extreme right.

I will not try to put it in a category that I can't face. But everything I just described, for me, that's extreme right. That's neo-nazis. When I refer to that, it's all contingent on the internet. For me, I'm not embarrassed to say that as it is extreme right, I don't think it's something extreme right. And I'm just saying it because I think that yes, you have to give reason to the right that this term is equal to Vaudé. This term I find it similar sometimes.

We will often say that something is extreme right, just to not engage intellectually with it. And I think that if we have a mainstream popular leftist discourse, we have to recognize this weakness in fact. But after, it's to be interested in all these varieties, these flavors of right, extreme right. I don't know, you know, it's complex in the end. And I don't have a solution, a proposition to fight these ideas online,

this online contingent that contributed to a terrorist attack even here in Quebec. We could see that Bissonette was in that universe. But I think we have to understand the codes, and it was a simple introduction to this segment. So that's it. Thank you, my dear. To be continued. University of... Coffeeof Coffee Snake. ...Fortia. ...of Fortia.

Okay, we decided to end this episode with some cultural recommendations. Do you have one? Well, Kinji released a new song. I love Kinji. There's a trend on TikTok. Fake Ho is a federalist. Ah, well, yes. And we talked about it yesterday before going to bed. Of course. We thought it was just that it was a bit of a con, because there was a suspicion of being in the opposite direction, in the sense that the lyrics are a little misogynistic. It takes up the rap cases. that precisely the fact that it's not policed... It's not politically correct. It's not politically correct. It can't be recovered because it's a song that is nationalist, which is for the separation of Quebec, but it can't be recovered by a political party.

It can't be recovered by the institution. Exactly. And that's what I think young people like, because the song is catchy. No, we really like Bad Bunny's album, Mass Photo, by the B-team. Mounir even cried listening to some of the tiktoks from certain songs. Yes indeed, watching great-grands-Portuguese-crying made me cry. I'm just guilty. The concept of the album is really about preserving the heritage and the Puerto Rican culture through gentrification and the accommodation of all their resources.

It's a very nostalgic album. It's an album that makes this kind of constant parallel between the nation and a relationship with a woman. There is always this ambiguity about whether he speaks of his love or his love for his country. So it's like a line that is really interesting. And I don't necessarily have the total understanding of the lyrics, but I find that the internet of our days makes that through the experience and the testimonies that I see, for example, for Turkic or even from all Latin America, I develop a attachment for this album. I even saw some kind of editing that I repost on TikTok with songs from the album Abedbeni, but to show a kind of nostalgia for Gaza before the war. So it's appropriate for all the struggles against imperialism, because in fact that's what this album is about. I also found it interesting that there's a bridge between the present and the past.

I feel like we're often projecting ourselves into the future, especially at the moment. The bridge is made even through the styles of music. So sometimes there's a mix between old songs like Salsa and Reggaeton. In any case. The violin! Otherwise, I have my article in the press that appears today, so it's Sunday, January 26th.

I'm taking back some ideas that I had developed at the very end of our episode available on the Patreon last week. So I'm talking about platform nationalism, so a kind of nationalism that would have developed on TikTok. Hello, it's Daphne. I forgot to mention that samedi, le 1er février, à compter de 19h, y aura un hommage qui sera rendu à Jean-Sébastien Larouche à la sala rosa, donc je vais lire l'annonce. Jean-Sébastien Larouche a été toute génération confondue, une figure marquante de la poésie québécoise incontournable. Merci à tout le monde qui de près ou de loin a partagé le deuil suite à son départ

soudain. Thank you to everyone who, from afar, shared the grief following his sudden departure. On Saturday, February 1st, in Soirée, he will be waiting for a grandilogue homage, Grunge. He needs a microphone or to cry, especially, he needs to hear his poems dive into his universe. So here it is, he will have surprise guests, poets, of course, I'll be there with Mounir. It's at the Salarossa 4848 Boulevard Saint-Laurent, Montreal. The doors are at 7pm and the tribute starts at 8pm. It's free. So that's it for today, we're happy. If you're still listening to us, you've made it to the end of the show. So that's where we can tell you, in this case. The secret of humanity. Well, basically, the next episode will only be available on Patreon.

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