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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, I'm Daphne. I forgot that I was watching a movie about a bear. I was really frustrated. I don't watch that movie. It's coffee snake. Hello, I'm Daphne. I forgot that I was watching a movie about a bear. I was really frustrated.

Starting point is 00:00:10 I don't watch that movie. It's coffee snake. Hello, I'm Daphne. I forgot that I was watching a movie about a bear. I was really frustrated. I don't watch that movie. It's coffee snake. Hello, I'm Daphne.

Starting point is 00:00:18 I forgot that I was watching a movie about a bear. I was really frustrated. I don't watch that movie. It's coffee snake. Hello, I'm Daphne. I forgot that I was watching a movie about a bear. I was really frustrated. I don't watch that movie. It's coffee snake. Hello, I'm Daphne. I forgot that I was watching a movie about a bear. Hello my dear! Hello, welcome to Café Snake.

Starting point is 00:00:32 Today is Café Snake number 43. It's an episode available to everyone on Spotify and Apple. Just remind you that one episode out of two is only available on our Patreon. So enjoy the episode. Thank you everyone who listens, everyone who subscribes, everyone who shares. The growl tailor, Five Star Spriff. What were you going to talk about this morning?

Starting point is 00:00:50 Well, I'm going to soak my big toes in a subject that inspires me a lot. The Saga bag. I'm going to talk about the la-boo-boo. La-boo-boo, la-boo-la-boo, la-boo-boo, la-boo-boo. It's Chinese set of Chinese sacs that have become a mega viral phenomenon in the world. And there I just wanted to

Starting point is 00:01:09 simply greet a Snakers coffee. I don't know her name, unfortunately I forgot to ask her. But I met her this week at the renaissance and she suggested me this subject and it turned out that it was in my notes. And I wasn't sure if I was talking about it or not.

Starting point is 00:01:27 She convinced me, so thank you! What are you going to talk about, Mounir? Today, as we spent a lot of time talking about federal politics, I propose that we come back to Quebec to analyze what happened in the last week, especially the long-format interview that François Légo gave to Stéphane Burot, to his podcast Contact, but also to talk about the Parti Québécois, the Parti Conservateur, about a kind of digital fight axis that I've been seeing for several months now that I want to talk about. Hmm, interesting. So without further ado, the Didji News! Toodaloo!

Starting point is 00:02:16 Is that your beloved? Cheers! It's super crunchy, it's missing good, it's so good! So people who don't understand reality are people with blue, grey, pale eyes. Those who have blue, eyes, they understand reality. Those who understand seem to be asleep. So we're going to start with some news, it's still unusual, but we should have waited a little bit I think. If you haven't been on Twitter for the last few months, you may have noticed that Grok, the Twitter artificial intelligence of Elon Musk, of ex-AI to say the term officially,

Starting point is 00:03:35 takes an omnipresent place in Twitter discussions because people can constantly ask Grok in a Twitter feed questions. So they will do, at Grok, is it true? At Grok, can you elaborate? At Grok, what do you think of that? So Grok, for the last few weeks, me, is really part of the landscape or Twitter feed. I put in my notes that he had really become a character, so a character of the application. Exactly. And it's kind of the equivalent of Chat is this real? So an expression that we hear a lot in the streaming world

Starting point is 00:04:10 when streamers address their chat directly. So everyone who watches the stream and who slaps, we often say Gruk is this real? As you said. Exactly. So I see people who ask almost...

Starting point is 00:04:21 I can't remember, it's a question of pop culture, like on rap. And then I see the answer from Gruk, who answers first of all to the question. It's a purely of pop culture, like on rap. And then I see Grook's answer, which is primarily a purely futile question, like a joke. The guy asks Grook a joke, and then he says, yes, yes, yes, that's true, but did you know about the white genocide taking place in South Africa? It had no connection, at no time, it was close to being referenced to the pre-import situation that would happen in South Africa. And then I sent it to Daphne, and Daphne told me you had read about it. It's a phenomenon. It lasted several hours, I think. Last Wednesday.

Starting point is 00:04:51 They injected references to the quote-unquote white genocide in several conversations not related to this subject. And what is white genocide? The real reference is a kind of dramatic reversal of power in the afro-descendant populations of South Africa. The indigenous people of South Africa would have taken control of the institutions and terrorized the white colonial populations, the settlers. It's a recurring myth. It's a subject that Elon Musk addresses a lot. Elon Musk who comes from South Africa? Exactly, who is a descendant of a mine owner who comes from South African bourgeoisie. White or black makes no difference to me, but white farmers are being brutally killed

Starting point is 00:05:46 and their land is being confiscated in South Africa. And the newspapers and the media, television media doesn't even talk about it. Trump, who put on stage two weeks ago the arrival of refugees who come from South Africa, saying that they are persecuted and that their lives are at stake, blah blah blah. We put on stage the entry of scene, we give them the honor, they arrive as great survivors while we have a migration policy that is completely inhuman

Starting point is 00:06:12 and that brings people in salvatorean prisons. Here are the good refugees, the white refugees. I think that's a bit subjacent. They are the good refugees, they are the ones we should welcome in our society. Yeah, but we'll talk about the myth of the good refugee. As we told you at the beginning,

Starting point is 00:06:26 Grog is so part of the Twitter thread that there were examples of Grog saying that everywhere. Today, I was browsing Twitter to find examples of that, and they were removed. So Grog deleted... I've never seen that. Deleted posts of Grog in conversation threads. Oh yeah, but that's it.

Starting point is 00:06:42 There are several people, especially journalists, who have asked themselves, is it just a glitch or is it a real interference? For example, from Musk. At that point, we could even talk about massively deployed computational propaganda. And there, of course, there is no other answer than speculation.

Starting point is 00:07:00 That's it, there are no statements from X or Elon. But according to, for example, the journalists from 4reformedia who spoke to people, precisely, AI specialists who worked in it, there would be a potential explanation that interested me, that I found quite plausible, is that in fact, in the big language systems of the GROC type, there are often what we call system prompts. When we talk to the artificial intelligence, we send a request, and the system adds a request to our own request, which would be a system request. In this system request, there are certain instructions, for example, related to the

Starting point is 00:07:41 tone of the answer, the format of the answer, there are also subjects that we want to avoid in the answer, but they will be mentioned in this system request. In the great Claude 3.7 language system, there is, for example, a PROMPT system that tells Claude not to give information about chemical or biological weapons or even nuclear weapons. So every time you send a message, it adds, it doesn't give information about chemical weapons. It adds instructions that we as users don't see. Exactly. And which are not necessarily

Starting point is 00:08:15 directly embedded in the system, in the big language system, but which are literally a request added to our initial request. I hope I explained it correctly. No, a little bit, I think. It could be that there was a mistake, but that we tweeted this kind of prompt system and that we added indications in relation to the white genocide. Consequently, every time we asked a question to Groc, he had access to our question, to increase another question, for example regarding the situation in South Africa. We don't really have an answer to what happened. There were many theories, but some said that he was trained to increase awareness

Starting point is 00:08:59 around what is happening in South Africa. It created this bug. We told him that if we talk about South Africa, put forward the fact that there is supposedly a white genocide. And finally, it would have been badly done or done too quickly. And no matter if you're talking about South Africa or not, the question of white genocide is... You know, I tell you, who is the first Canadian trio? And then it's like, it's Nick Suzuki, Cole Caulfield and Slavkovski.

Starting point is 00:09:23 But have you ever heard of white genocide in South Africa? I had an idea that was promoted by Reid Max, who I like a lot, I often talk about him in Coffee Snake, who interested me. So he talks more from a philosophical point of view, in relation to our attitude towards the great language system. And he says that there are great reactionaries like Musk, but also like Peter Thiel, who are attracted by this idea of artificial intelligence. And even by taking decisions a bit omniscient,

Starting point is 00:09:52 as if we could take our decisions now through these technologies, as a way to escape politics. So an escape from politics in all its forms, a way to even turn political processes like democracy, voting, etc., by going directly to a kind of magic black wood that gives us an answer. Boom!

Starting point is 00:10:14 And we can even put the clip of Peter Thiel, the founder of Palantir, among others, and Paypal with Musk, who says literally, we saw that our political ideas could not progress, but politics does not work, we must replace it with technology. having to constantly convince people and beg people and plead with people who are never going to agree with you through technological means. And this is where I think technology is this incredible alternative to politics. And now I'm going to read a translation of a segment of Readmax's newsletter.

Starting point is 00:10:56 For the people for whom the IA or the IJI are announcing a new post-political world, the quasi-mythical incognizability of the great language models is a characteristic and not a bug. This means that the attempts by Musk to control or manipulate Grok, in any case the alleged attempts, could perhaps ultimately go against this vision of a post-political era thanks to the language models. Because in fact, it opens the way to a political understanding rather than a mystique of artificial intelligence. And an AI that works like magic can have a power of persuasion that would be frightening,

Starting point is 00:11:37 but an AI that we know how to control, by manipulating, for example, the system prompt, well, it must consequently be subject to the same suspicion that we have in relation to any institution or even the media. Because this week, I went into a random deep dive in Peter Thiel, I don't know why. We will maybe do a deep dive on Palantir because I think it's a company that really does

Starting point is 00:12:03 the digital transformation or the creation of digital tools, but for the military and intelligence side, so the American intelligence agencies, the CIA, the NSA, he's the one who left with other people, including his former roommate at Stanford, who is the CEO at the moment. And it's a company that's really terrible, in fact. It interests me a lot because I think I should have talked about it in the episode on Saqlik, because I think the other side of digital transformation in governments is the digital transformation of armies, because they are at the core of all this. The realist, evilist company.

Starting point is 00:12:35 Yes, and I read an article recently that talked about a kind of tone change or desire among Stanford students who, at one point, were neglecting these large companies of military technology to go and work at Meta or Google or whatever. And then there's suddenly a recrudescence among them to join the ranks of this type of military company. The military fever! Yeah, friendship, friendship. This is an actual headline in the Wall Street Journal today. The military fever. Amidst, amidst... And she has spoken to the producer who pitched it. The producer defended the project to the journal saying,

Starting point is 00:13:25 quote, this is not the hunger game. Otherwise, we also wanted to quickly address this idea that appeared in the media, as if there was a pitch to the Trump administration to generate a TV show where immigrants would fight to break the American nationality. By doing several tests. I read, for example, to look for gold at the bottom of a mine. Since we

Starting point is 00:13:51 talk a lot about reality, about TV reality in Café Snake, precisely because we think it's relevant to consider the messages spread in TV reality as representations of values that circulate in our societies, I thought it was important to stop on this news. You had told me earlier in Café Sneaks about a reality TV that aired supposedly racist people who were supposed to make the immigration journey from Africa to Europe. It was a reality TV from the United Kingdom that was proposing this. And what did it end up being?

Starting point is 00:14:22 I think they did it. We didn't follow it. Not only do I think it's a concept that you that we find dishumanizing and a little disgusting, but I think it allows us to identify certain discourses that are filigree with all of this. Earlier you were talking about good immigrants versus bad. I have the impression that through a TV reality, there is always a storyline, so a narrative thread that will emphasize values. I imagine that it will never criticize the immigration system or see in what, maybe, it's outdated or it's to be reviewed.

Starting point is 00:14:55 It's really a tool for statical propaganda. Especially if you open it to the public's vote, like Star Academy, it will really take a logic of who deserves to emigrate, who has the saddest story, who is the most attached, who is a matter of personality. The producer who put forward this pitch, Rob Worsuff, said, ah, but you know, the participants of this tele-reality, it's not going to be people, for example, without papers, it's going to be people who are already in the emigration system,

Starting point is 00:15:21 and what they're going to gain is simply that their procedure will be accelerated. We're talking about good versus bad immigrants, it's as if they already framed the reality as, well, we're not going to take people who are really scoundrels, illegals, all that. We're going to take people who are already integrated in our system to immigrate. It's to pass under silence. Why are there actually millions of people who live in the United States? Around 11 million undocumented people right now who work there, who live there, sometimes for several years, sometimes all their lives.

Starting point is 00:15:57 Why aren't they in this system? Sometimes there are people who cross the border, they are barely one or two years old, they act as babies. But it's also because immigrants without papers in the United States, they have very, very, very little right to obtain a legal status. For example, if I'm without a passport and I was brought to the United States at the age of 2, and then we realize, you, you're an American citizen, we want to get married. For me to marry you and get my green card, well, I would have to be able to leave the United States

Starting point is 00:16:30 to apply for citizenship. If I was without papers and I lived in the United States for more than a year, well, I can't go back to the United States before 10 years. Wow! As you said, you know, there's a form of the immigrants or immigrants who don't have a legal status in the United States, they are deprived of rights, they are treated like less than human beings. And even in the language, they are called aliens, so we think of aliens. And it's a term that was maybe less used in recent years, but as soon as Trump returned to power, he reinstated it.

Starting point is 00:17:21 What I also wanted to say is that I think we're bringing more and more of a tele-reality where we're going to have as a prize, we're going to gain access to primary needs. As these needs are being taken away from us, or access to certain things is complicated. We even want it in Quebec, with double occupancy, what we're selling is access to property. If you win the contest, you finally have access to a fucking property. I've been saying on YouTube for years that it's the same thing that we should brand it. We were listening to, if we liked, in one of the recent episodes we just listened to, one of the participants often makes allusion to the fact that for him, this show is a treatment.

Starting point is 00:18:04 A therapy. There is a kind of tension where the candidate sees herself finding love or whatever, and he is really focused on his personal problems. She has control of her therapeutic treatment in the sense that if she decides that she wants to be with another partner, he loses his access to mental health care. It's the legal status we'll get if we win the contest. But we were also talking about health care with Dr. Pimple in Café Snake. I told her I don't dream about it, but I have the nightmare of a company where we would have access to vital operations because I often watch YouTube operations on the condition of, for example, live streaming our operation or transforming it

Starting point is 00:18:49 into content, into tele-reality. I also wanted to say that the treatment of participants at these game shows, at these tele-reality, is excessively revealing the treatment that we reserve for the most vulnerable in our societies. And there I will repeat again, but the participants in a tele-reality are not considered as workers, they are not considered as people who have precise expertise, which leads us to not pay them, to not pay them a salary. Yes, sometimes they have access to paychecks, but it's not a salary. It also depends if there is celebrity in the name. In Quebec, we're just talking about Quebec. But that's it, but it's not a salary. It also depends. If there are celebrities in the name, in Quebec, in any case, we're just talking about Quebec.

Starting point is 00:19:27 That's it, but they're talents. They already have a status as being framed by the law. But we're talking about a reality TV that uses quidam. Today, I left Radio-Canada to start my YouTube channel. The main reason is because I think that the future of information won't just pass through the media that are in place. The last DG News, the journalist of Radio-Canada, Alexandre Rolet, who left Radio-Canada to launch his YouTube channel, Alexplic. The video went viral, it had a lot of media coverage. He launched the first video on its channel.

Starting point is 00:20:05 Even the Minister of Culture who shared it. Yes, who said with a message, that's why we have to finance our content creators here. But I think it's good that it's finally Alex Plick who made him realize that we have to finance the content creators here. I think it's still interesting because this week I was at a discussion on the future of journalism, on the new YouTube media, with Gaspar G, the French youtuber and Emile Roy who gave a

Starting point is 00:20:29 kind of panel where we discussed that and it was really about their fans who asked them questions about funding, how they financed their project. We were talking a little bit about the chandrikou, the polarization but we didn't really have a notion of the incarnation of content, on the position on the subject. Subjectivity. Subjectivity, it was brought a little bit to the end, but this idea that the journalist we should do on the internet would be the same in the national media, but just change the format. That's a lot of the discourse that has been brought back around Alex Peck, and I wish him good luck in her project. I think that there is obviously an algorithmic void for this type of people in Quebec.

Starting point is 00:21:05 Especially if they focus on the daily, in the current news, day by day. If she is able to produce daily videos, several times a week, there is clearly something to do with that, but it's still a big job to produce that alone in Quebec. And then she often makes references in her interviews that she gave, that if people don't mind me eating pizza, and I encourage them to eat pizza, it's like she's alluding to what she's going to finance her project.

Starting point is 00:21:30 Salvatore. With pizza salvatore. I think that's the common place she's trying to give references. And there are people on the internet, people in the media who are like a little... Especially François Cardinal, who talked a little about this objectivity, with the sponsors, this partiality. But I think that the majority of the media, there are ads on it, it's just a vector to promote advertising. I understand that there is a disconnection between the journalists and the sales department.

Starting point is 00:21:54 They don't communicate, it would be them who would handle all these files. As such, I don't think it has such an impact on the content that an X or someone else announces. What I mean is that I find it interesting that when someone comes from the system that only makes the institution grow, that suddenly there is a kind of great encouragement, not by the public, I knew that the public would encourage it because we are a little tanned by institutions, media, and heritage, but that even the system puts it in front as a kind of future model. I found that quite absurd, actually revealing from the position, because in the speech that Alex

Starting point is 00:22:31 Plique is holding, it's a kind of constant loaning of institutions and a profound will to reproduce what they do on the web. Of course, the institutions will do like, ah, here is the model, it will rely on our articles to say things on the internet. Precisely, I was a little bit annoyed by the media coverage around this news. In addition, it's at a time when it's interesting to see that. We've already talked about it in the United States, there's been a lot of discourse around the resignation of journalist Taylor Lawrence at the Washington Post. Speaking about it, even though there is still no content that has been produced, it's also revealing because the media treatment of everything that comes out of social media, well, often it's impregnated with mistrust.

Starting point is 00:23:15 If it's not just, you know, outright contempt. She told me it was Olivier Primo who motivated me to do that. She already instills a kind of hierarchy. For the media, it reassures them that they are like, okay, our power, our aura will be kept by her because she internalized it. Well, that's it, there was still this underlying idea that, well, I think that there is indeed a place for that in Quebec, totally, and I am really happy about it. But like what? It was missing in Quebec an informed and worried voice, the quality of information shared on the internet,

Starting point is 00:23:47 well, it's offensive, especially like, I don't know, from someone who does that anyway. You showed me like a comment that was addressed to him below a publication, I think it was a video that talked about his resignation. Someone asked, hey, finally, will you finally be able to talk about Palestine? Tell the truth about Palestine.

Starting point is 00:24:08 But I think that's exactly what the web or an independent position allows, it's the idea of taking a position on certain subjects that are not addressed in traditional media or that are addressed from a falsely neutral point of view. That's right, but you see, I was

Starting point is 00:24:24 in the discussion with Émile Roy and Gaspard G, the two guys who were put in the International Journalist Festival in Carleton-sur-Mer. Émile Roy was telling us about his video he made following the phenomenon All Eyes on Rafa, which he had last year. He positioned this conflict as

Starting point is 00:24:40 being two-sided and that it's terrible what's going on in the refugee camp in Rafa. And then he talked about it and said that since the media are blocked on Meta, everything we had as information was activists on both sides. And I quote him. That's how he really perceives his video, it was like information. But that's it, we still have this idea of taking a militant position, that it's not journalism, it's actually information that isn't valid. And I also want another aspect of what I think is interesting in the

Starting point is 00:25:12 meta-disco perspective. It's that we're witnessing a phenomenon where Radio-Canada decided to leave these journalists like Olivier Harbour or Julia Pagé or even Alexandre Lait before all this, publish content produced by Radio-Canada on their personal pages. I don't know how the agreement was made, I don't even know if it's said, said, or written, but these people publish content from Radio-Canada on their pages. To bypass the ban on media. Exactly, to bypass the media that are blocked under the C-18 law.

Starting point is 00:25:43 The method decided to block them, it's going to be, I think, in 3 years or 2 and a half. And then these people publish content on their personal pages, generate a lot of engagement and their pages grow. When these people, let's say that Julia Pagé decides to leave RAD and go to her account, does she keep her Instagram page if she generated engagement on content that belongs to Radio Canada? I find it interesting because when I applied to RAD 4 years ago, and I went to the last interview, I was told I was too much of a big brand to work with RAD.

Starting point is 00:26:11 That I was too much of a unique personality to work with RAD. That you were too embodied. That's it. The new word in fashion. Which we say a lot too. But it seems we don't have the same definition of incarnation. I say that because it doesn't come from a bitter place. I'm just saying that for people who are interested in analysis, it's interesting to think about it.

Starting point is 00:26:31 And shout out to all these people. I like the content of Julia, Alexandre, I don't know, I'm dying to see the content. Because it's tough to make SES videos. But I think it's going to pour more into the popularization than a critical mind that is deployed. In the analysis. The analysis, the reflections, all that. I'm not sure what it's going to be. I think it's a success at the momentum that live has created pieces where it outsources the analysis. It means that if I want to make a topo on that, now that I have this media status,

Starting point is 00:27:00 I wrote to this proffesion that he's going to do the analysis, I wrote to that. That's one of the problems with media. I often get called by journalists, « Ah, could you give us your take on this thing? » But basically, you ask me to do a free job. That's true, but it's because you, we've already talked about this, but it's not the same relationship with a teacher or people who just want to raise their profile.

Starting point is 00:27:22 So they're going to accept an interview. Well, raising their profile is difficult because even in the context of my chronicles in the press, I appeal to university professors, but sometimes it's also to spread the knowledge they have in their institution, and for it to go beyond the walls of the institution, you know. But as such, I'm not in an institution, so no, I'm not going to work for free for you. So, we can't wait to see the content. Look what I ordered.

Starting point is 00:27:48 LALABOO! It's really going to be the trendy accessory for his bag. So we're going to open it together. Do I have a new Laboubou? Yes. Oh yes daddy. I have 10. They're little monsters, but cute.

Starting point is 00:28:12 I don't know if they're rabbits or something. I named my segment The economy of the bag's burlap. Because we're going to talk about a Chinese bag's burlap which is super popular right now. The Laboubou. Have you heard of them? Before you send it to me, no.

Starting point is 00:28:27 It didn't catch my attention particularly, but I still saw it on my TikTok feed. So the Laboubous are small keychain plushies that we often see, for example, people will hang them on their bags. It looks like hairy monsters with pointed teeth and small ears. It's a design by the artist Cashing Leung, who was born in Hong Kong and is based in Belgium. He was inspired by the Nordic mythology to create these creatures. He released a series of illustrated books, I think they were albums, in 2015. The keychain version was launched on the market in 2019 by the pop-mart toy company. But it went viral quite recently. In 2024, it started to

Starting point is 00:29:15 rise in popularity after Lisa from the K-pop band Blackpink was photographed with a laby, she talked about her passion for laby. Shortly after, the laby was spotted on Rihanna. So Rihanna was wearing a laby. It looks like we're in the toy universe, so the universe of children, but in fact it's really popular among adults and it's often juxtaposed with expensive bags. And even unisex, it's not reserved for women. There's even the magazine The Man Masculine GQ, which recently published an article on the doll as a popular accessory to put on luxury handbags for men.

Starting point is 00:29:56 It's very coveted merchandise, and they decline in several versions, so it's like a series with lots of colors. And there are even models that are exclusive and limited, so there is a rarity effect that is created, which means that the laboubous are also marketed as collection items. You will collect them, then there is a secondary market for reselling that exists where you can put your hand on laboubous that are rarer, but at a really inflated price. What is the base price? It's about, you know, basic, it's $30 USD, but for the less expensive ones, let's say.

Starting point is 00:30:29 And then it goes up to, you know, on the secondary markets, it can reach thousands of dollars US. I even saw on my TikTok, people who were like hussle of Laboubou, and he created content just to give things to people, like how to get your hand on a Laboubou. It became difficult. Every time Laboubou are launched on the market or on the Pop Mart website, it crashes. There are a lot of boots that they buy. It's like sneakers. That's it.

Starting point is 00:31:12 I didn't have any luck whatsoever in the Laboubou Hunger Games yesterday. I was prepared, I had the method, and once again these companies just let their website crash and not a single person in sight can get into the website. Yet somehow when it finally loads, every damn thing is sold out. Or even, you know, there are huge lines in front of the stores. It's also an item that we find a lot in the heart of several unboxing videos. I find it interesting because it covers several topics that we've already covered in Café Snake, such as speculative life, but also the crisis of authenticity and the saga, which embodies a little this

Starting point is 00:31:45 blurring that we see a lot between the real, the fake, the double, the original, which is at work in several areas of our lives, not just the consumption or the world of commerce, but also in the media. In my notes, I wrote that the Laboubous are part of what we call a kind of industrial complex of surprise. Because they are... No, but it's true. They are sold in what is called blind boxes. This is a very popular concept in China at the moment, but which actually originates from Japan. And then, by the way...

Starting point is 00:32:16 Which actually originates from Ardennes, with the 5-pack surprises from the 2000s. No, no, no. I went to the national office. That should become a coffee segment. Daphne who goes to the OQLF website. The Quebec office of the French language to find out if there was a fucking translation. It's not that it should run, it's... There's no translation, gang!

Starting point is 00:32:38 Okay, French language minister, tok tok. When I went to Japan, I saw a lot of blind boxes everywhere, especially for people who wanted to buy figurines or miniatures. So you buy a box of cardboard without knowing which model it will fall on. But you know, what does that mean? It's very popular here too. It's just... We've always been doing card-hockey unboxings, card-hockey packs, card-pokémon packs. There's even the Remy Card Trader here, he makeski cards, the Pokémon cards. There's even here the Remi Card Trader, he makes good surprises, but from Jersey. That's it, just to come back to Japan,

Starting point is 00:33:09 what was really popular in Japan from the 80s, it's toy distribution machines, because we're really in the world of toys, which are in capsules. And when you walk in the streets in Japan, there are everywhere, there are even toy distribution machines. It actually comes from another Japanese concept

Starting point is 00:33:29 called the Lucky Boxes. It's linked to the advent of large-scale stores in Japan. And what we did was that all the items or objects that we hadn't sold during the year, well, during the New Year, we put them in surprise boxes and we sold them in surprise boxes and sold them in a discount. And that's super popular, it dates from the early 1900s. Often, the total value

Starting point is 00:33:52 of the items inside the box will be higher than the price of the box. So that's also what stimulates the desire of consumers. But it's not a desire that is so particular because it's not associated with a specific object or a material need. It's the desire of the one or the one that speculates, a speculative desire to know what the value of what I'm carrying will be compared to the value of what I paid for the price. I think it's a nuance that's about to go out of hand because the concept of the blind book is really good for social networks. It looks like it's all designed to create content because we take advantage of the lack of uncertainty that is underlying the blind book. And also, not only to make content, but also to make content live too, because the unboxing of Pokémon cards is mega popular, and this aspect of the hockey card live, because there is always tension. Yes, and we film ourselves opening our surprise bag, because the labels come in a box, and inside the box there's a bag, and you have to open the bag to see.

Starting point is 00:34:51 We're going to try to capture the emotions we feel. It's the idea of not only unboxing videos, but also reaction videos. So the surprise, the euphoria, the disappointment at the time of unpacking, it also becomes a product that we as internet users can consume by procurement. But it's interesting that you're talking about the fact that the box is packed and then we can pack it back because precisely, and I'm still making the same parenthesis, but there is a card company in North America, I don't know the name exactly, but if that's their business, their cards are just mega packed. So it starts in a cardboard box that you take away, then there's a bag, then there's a metal box that you take away, then there's another bag.

Starting point is 00:35:29 And then you unpack 4-5 things before you get to the hockey card. Well, that's it, but desire is stimulated by all the obstacles you have to overcome before you get to your fucking It's experiential, it's sensory. The industrial complex of surprise is part of what we call the experience economy. The process surrounding the purchase is also important, if not more, than the product you buy. It's the experience of the purchase that makes us play. Everything that it underlines,

Starting point is 00:35:57 a bit like the chocolate tasting in Dubai. By the way, I was talking about TV reality in a written retreat that I'm in right now. And a student told me that her father was a fan Dubai. D'ailleurs, je parlais de télé-réalité dans une retraite d'écriture là que j'en ai m'amégué en ce moment, pis y'a une étudiante qui me dit que son père était adepte d'une télé-réalité qui s'appelle Storage War. Ben oui, Storage War, j'écoutais ça quand j'j'étais petit, c'est la moire, c'est digé. Fait qu'aux États-Unis, en tout cas en Californie, quand tes trucs, des fois, le même temps, tu déménages, t'as un surplus de meubles et tout, tu vas les mettre dans un locker, you're going to put them in a locker. And if you don't pay your rent for three months, and then you lose the property of those properties, they're going to be sold at auction. So you see these people who don't really have the right to...

Starting point is 00:36:35 They have five minutes to inspect the content just with their eyes. They can't touch it, but that's it. And then they'll say, okay, after five minutes, you say, well, is there potentially value in there, yes or no? You're going to bid at the auction, you're going to buy the content, and then it's a surprise. You go inside the locker and you unpack a lot of stuff. It can be, oh my god, like I just bought a locker full of buttons. But especially that it's in Los Angeles, but they have it in different they made different cities. But sometimes it's like a closed suitcase at the end and it's like, oh, here's a microphone Prince sang in it. And then he authenticated and then he just made $ 50,000. The version on Canalist was called

Starting point is 00:37:13 the War of the Anchors. It was broadcast a lot in Quebec. Exactly. You see the speculative dimension in there? It's a lottery. We buy a box that we have a Labubu, in short, to come back to the Labubu without knowing which one we're going to fall on. Is it going to be a red bubble wrap? There is one that is brown, called six-quat, which looks pretty convoluted. There is a blue one, in short, it looks like the buy of four hockey. I found that interesting because we talk a lot about speculation and how it infiltrates in all parts of our lives.

Starting point is 00:37:40 But there is really a casino dimension behind this form of purchase. I found a translation. I propose the translation, buy blind. You make a 9. Ok. You know what the laboubous were when I was in elementary school? No. It was the little winnies-de-pouille that were in distribution machines.

Starting point is 00:37:54 Well, for me, it's the Beanie Babies. For me, it was in a distribution machine. There were some in some restaurants. We went after school and there were people who brought them. There were lots of winnies-de-pouille. But you know, it was a financial flex, it cost two dollars, you had to help two dollars. A financial flex.

Starting point is 00:38:09 The blind purchase, what stands out is the possibility of falling on a rare item whose potential resale value is higher than the one you paid. So that's why you might think you're going to make money. I often talk about this when we talk about speculation, but we live in precariousness. And what we're told through this form of consumption is that we can't get out of precariousness. The only way to get out of it is by diving deeper

Starting point is 00:38:35 or taking the risk of diving deeper into it. We're poor, so for example, I don't have a way to get rich the next day. So what am I going to do? I'm going to go to the cashier, I'm going to buy a car ticket. I'm going to the casino! So I'm going to accept to lose even more money to potentially have the chance, a chance, I don't know how many millions, to get out of my poverty. That's it. Just to finish this speculative parenthesis, I have a dystopian version to offer you.

Starting point is 00:39:06 To offer you. Go ahead. Imagine a world that would be entirely speculative, where uncertainty is not just an option, but that is chained to each of your purchases. Imagine that, for example, you go to the IGA because you need to buy eggs. And the speculation is linked to the price of your 12N2. So you arrive at the IGA and you have to flip a wheel to know how much you're going to pay today for the 12N2. Or even at the item you bought.

Starting point is 00:39:39 So we go to the IGA, we only have $10. We can just spend $10. We're going to buy a box of food at the supermarket at a fixed price, $10, but we don't know what's in the box. It could just be potatoes. Imagine if the price of eggs at the grocery store wasn't on a piece of paper, but it was a small screen, like a morning alarm, and that could fluctuate even during the day. Imagine if all the food prices in grocery stores fluctuated on a market that changes in real time during a day.

Starting point is 00:40:10 Yeah, but I think it's like a dystopia that's not necessarily unrealistic. That's what's in the pocket. I'm going to continue with the Laboubous because as you say, it made you think Winnie the Pooh. It makes me think of the Binnie Babies. So it's at the end of the 90s, it created a economic bubble. I think there's even a documentary that was made on it. There's an article by Guardian that I talked about through the La Boubou Chronicle, so the journalist Van Badham. It's that people were collecting the Beanie Babies really thinking they were going to become super rich. There's even someone who committed a murder that a detective would have described as a Beanie Baby Deal Gone Bad. And there's a super famous photo

Starting point is 00:40:52 that I sometimes come back to, which you can easily see on the internet, where you see a couple who got divorced, who are separating their collection of Beanie Babies in front of a judge. And I remember going to visit a friend of mine when I was little, her daughter. She was about my age and she had a big collection of baby babies on her wall. She explained to me the concept of racism and that it was worth it, but that it would take value over time and that it would become super rich. I remember my feeling of, ok, I'm from somewhere. Already there, I was not in the boat, I didn't invest quite quickly.

Starting point is 00:41:28 It's me when I saw that bitcoin was at $400 and I said to my dad to buy it, but I didn't have enough press. Oh shit. With speculation and our speculative life, there is also this perpetual feeling of false words, the fear of missing out. But it's that, and it feeds the typical Q's will. It's like me, I'm next. Also, what I'm going to say is that Popmart reproduced the concept of

Starting point is 00:41:49 limited-edition distribution that aroused the appetite of the Beanie Babies. And that makes me think, I don't know much about this culture, but the sneaker culture. Well yes, I've already tried to go to a store in Laval until 3am to get a ticket to buy Yeezys in 2016. Okay. And I don't have any. Damn.

Starting point is 00:42:08 I'm not against the Laboubous, but be careful because it's this kind of situation that gives birth to economic bubbles, or what we call speculative bubbles. Where the price of a good is normally higher than its fundamental value, its real value. So when it pops, but your object, your la-boubou, it's not worth much. This kind of speculative bubble is a fertile ground for counterfeiting, the creation of dope, so that is to say a replica of la-boubou but at a lower price. So there is a big market for that, and I even bought one. You bought me a Lafoufou? Yes. So the Lafoufou, in other words, are called in the internet jargon, Lafoufou.

Starting point is 00:42:53 It's like, I bought you a Lafoufou and you're going to do an unboxing. You really bought me that? Yes. There's a lot of content on the web that also teaches me a form of competition, of jealousy between the crazy girls and the crazy girls. And what's interesting for me is the proximity between the crazy girls and the crazy girls. The distance is narrowed, the two plushies are really really similar. It's hard to see which plush is true or which one is false, because the crazy girls arrive in boxes, pop marts crazy girls arrive in Pop Mart boxes, they arrive in bags, they have all sorts of little...

Starting point is 00:43:30 Yeah, but you showed me a very very young child who unboxes a labubu and who realizes in a fraction of a second that it's a fake. There are things that are developing on the internet for example, you have to count the number of teeth and all that. No, but she felt in her hands that it wasn't the right material. It reminds me of the speech of the luxury bag that was rather stanny, and the growing difficulty in distributing the real bag of the false. And besides, through my research on the laboubous and blind boxes, etc., I came across an article that article published in Daze in 2024, written by the journalist Alexandra Hildreth,

Starting point is 00:44:10 which goes like, In 2024, designer bags became the battleground for fashion authenticity. So that's really where the kind of authenticity crisis we're living in crystallized in the fashion world. So the journalist was talking about her own way about what I called the Saga bag. And this thirst for authenticity that can be read through several societal movements. For example, we talked about Hermès Burkin Bags, which are really coveted, it's really hard to buy them.

Starting point is 00:44:39 And there were Burkin Bags that were sold, well, counterfeits of Burkin Bags that were sold at Walmart, which we called the Workins. When we weren't able to share the truth from the false, there was a tendency to see the authenticity of a bag through the fact that it had wear marks. So a bag with a vehicle was perceived as more authentic. There was a form of customization of the bag, and also when we hung up on the necklaces or other accessories in the bag, we had the impression of being in front of a bag that was more real. As if the accessories, the keychains, they came to provide evidence of a life journey of the bag. You know, ah I went to the Caribbean, I brought a keychain in the form of a turtle, you clip it. So that's also a reference to the OG of the Birkin bag, that is to say Jane

Starting point is 00:45:30 Birkins, the company of Serge Gainsbourg, who is a British singer-actress. So this bag was created by Hermès for her, so that's why it's called her. And she died in 2023, but she was often photographed with her own Burkins bag, which was very worn out, with stickers on it, and watchtowers, a bit like a fridge. When a fridge is full of lovers, full of photos, you get the impression of a kind of VQ. This VQ is transformed into a simulacrum through the lullabies.

Starting point is 00:46:05 Because all of a sudden, it's like we were pitching ourselves to order a trailer of a trailer to give a vehicle effect to our car. But it's not anchored in anything real. It's just a mouse click that allowed you to accumulate the lullabies. It's not your life. That's why everyone hated on my old backpack that I wore since I was a kid until we bought one not long ago. But that's what had made the world go round. There were a lot of drawings through the years that I could tell.

Starting point is 00:46:31 There were schools here, they were almost no longer working, the straps were no longer holding. But like it was my backpack for almost 10 years. Everyone hated on me. No one had a vision. They didn't understand. But that's it. The journalist I was talking about earlier who wrote an article in Daze, she talks about a memeification of wear. And I found that interesting. So she's not only referring to Jane Birkins, but also to the sisters, Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. Because they too have luxurious bags that cost over $30,000, like Hermès, Hermès' Kelly Bag. Often, their bags are very worn, stained with wine stains, and all that.

Starting point is 00:47:10 And at some point, it gave birth to a trend. And there was the influencer, for example, Victoria Paris, who had created a kind of holly, because she had tried to Jane Birkinify her Gucci bag by repeatedly hitting it on a patio door. There's even a fashion designer, Lauren Sooyoung, who did the same thing with some luxury bags she had. So she cracked some eggs and even twisted them to try to create an egg effect. It's a meme idea, we've already talked about it, but it's like taking

Starting point is 00:47:45 an idea very superficially. So that's what I had to say for the laboubous. I think I explored the phenomenon from several angles. I love my lafoufou. And on that I say to the sacoche saga, see you next time! So I called my segment Back to Quebec because with the federal elections behind us, we can finally focus on what really matters, which is Quebec politics. Last week, it was quite dynamic. There are a lot of interesting things to talk about in the context of Café Snake. Or we can do political analysis, but it's really a methodical thing that we say we do or we do. So I want to start with François Legault who accepted to do a long format interview without an appearance editing at the podcast of Stéphane Bureau. And I said without an appearance editing because I didn't notice any cuts while listening to it.

Starting point is 00:48:35 But I'm telling you for the coffee snake viewers, it's really easy to edit in a long format podcast and you don't notice it at all if you didn't know there was editing. Just cut a shot and paste it when it's on another shot. That means if we had a podcast of Daphne and me talking, if we cut at the end of a sentence of Daphne saying something, the footage I put after, it's me asking a question while changing shot. It could have been five questions later, and you don't realize it, you have no context before. I'm not telling you that because I think Stéphane't realize it, you don't have any context before. I'm not telling you this because I think that Stefan Buro did it,

Starting point is 00:49:06 but I'm just telling you that we often think that there is no editing. If the animator doesn't make a point of saying that there is no editing, like let's say Jogan, there is no editing. He says it all the time. We should assume that there is maybe. Not assume that there is maybe, but know that there may be. Like me, in fact, I didn't do any editing, but there are still 4 or 5 times in the history of Fête d'hiver where there were cutters in Fête d'hiver.

Starting point is 00:49:30 Hmm... Okay... The dough in the bag? There are also really obvious cuts. Because it's not me who complained that there was a cut. Ah, I understand. It's your guests who sometimes say, Hey, please, I said that, but I would like to say that. So the interview starts with a perfect question for us. I thought Stéphane Bureau was listening to Coffee Snake. It's a meta question.

Starting point is 00:49:57 On the fact that François Legault agrees to do this interview. And I thought it was a good question because it takes advantage of the strength of podcasts which wants to be more intimate and authentic. So we let François Legault talk about why he's sitting there. That, if I find, is the first way to break the wall, to get closer to François Legault. Then François Legault starts talking about the media. He starts telling us that there is a difficult relationship with the media. He tells us about his strategy of coming, in fact. It's meta-disco. From the beginning of the episode. So, how are we going to do for this segment on the podcast of François Legault? It's that we're going to listen to François Legault. Daphné, she didn't listen to each other,

Starting point is 00:50:38 so she's going to first react. But I was going to say that it's interesting because I read you this week, Stéphane Burrault, I have the impression that he becomes or tends to become a kind of Quebec juror. So a content creator. I think it's more Jer Allin who's going to become Juror Guineca because he's a cartoonist. Stéphane Burrault is more of a Quebec juror. I don't want to compare them politically, but in the kind of person who worked

Starting point is 00:51:03 for a long time in the media. That's it. But they still develop, quietly speaking, their place, their position in the Quebec alternative media. And I find it interesting that even there, it's a figure of traditional media, heritage, which will quietly penetrate another media sphere. And then all of a sudden, boom, he still gets François Legault in interviews. And I don't think that would have been the case if he hadn't already been in the media. Yeah, and you have to say, his podcast has really been a success. If they have 107 episodes, it's like he's produced a lot of podcasts.

Starting point is 00:51:35 No, it's great. He's done a lot of work. That's it. But we'll start with the first question. It's Lucien Bouchard. It's not that he was the boss. It's not for you to work, but if you want to support me, you are welcome. So, stop. Damblay, I notice the appeal to the support, which I have already highlighted in the podcast of Olivier Primo when he received... What's his name? Pierre Poiliev.

Starting point is 00:51:58 Yeah, that's it. The first thing Pierre Poiliev tells me is, you can support me. It's really about setting up a climate of intimacy, more relaxed. In fact, what happens is that it's immediately putting forward what ultimately separates us from the tone of traditional media. That's it. And just that, because I wanted to show you something else. Ah ok. But just before that, it's that François Legault, he's the one who talks about it. He says, you told me you wanted me to see you. Yeah. So let's see you. But I think Stéphane Bureau wanted it to be said in the open, if he was talking about the Vosvoyes, and that he was going to start with the Vosvoyes. Because if you're the interviewer who interviews a political figure,

Starting point is 00:52:37 and you don't like that he gave you the right to talk about him, everyone in the comments, especially the older people, they'll say that you lack respect. to be able to see him, to see him as a citizen. Everyone in the comments, especially the older people, they will say that you lack respect. First of all, I'm glad you're here, but we were saying it to each other, mic off. I had the impression, until quite recently, that you would rather or would prefer

Starting point is 00:53:00 not to expose yourself to the media or to long interviews, as if you had an antagonistic relationship with the press for a long time. It's the first question, we're one minute in. I'm surrounded by people who are specialists in communication, each has their own method. Some say we should talk to journalists only when we have something to say. Others say no, we have to talk to them every day, otherwise they will release news

Starting point is 00:53:28 as they want. So there are a lot of techniques. I admit that for a while I did a lot of scrumming every day. And well, last year I had people around me who told me you shouldn't do scrumming every day because there is news on subjects

Starting point is 00:53:44 that we don't want to see in the media. And often, it's reactions to controversies. So it's not easy. I admit that I criticize a little the way we sometimes do the scams at home, but I have no answer to give. How do we make it a it less negative in the media? It's very negative in the media, in my opinion. So I see it. How do we get out of this? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:54:14 Well, I don't know what to say. If it's negative, it's not just a question of the media. It's also a question of the consequences of your actions. Exactly. But I find that in this clip there are a lot of things to report. It's true that the head of cabinet, the advisor, Stephane Gobay, the head of cabinet, Martin Koskinen, they're all people from the comms. They're ultra-media. If you go to their Twitter account,

Starting point is 00:54:38 he says he doesn't do a lot of mediation, but if you go to his advisors and his right arm on Twitter, his tweets are increasing. That's what he's trying to shape. But if you go see his advisors and his right-handers on Twitter, his tweet in Chris... He's trying to shape narratives, he's trying to build stories, but I find it interesting because I think that even if you're forced to react to controversies every day, I think occupying the media space every day so that we are less obliged to report what you have to say. It's better, it's Trump's strategy than Biden's strategy, let's say, which is like never talking and letting people talk.

Starting point is 00:55:12 If I had like a... If you were the prime minister. If I was the prime minister's advisor. I would be like, no, but just go out there, give them a clip, give them something. And at worst, give them something crazy, you know? Yeah. I would be like... Well, Reggie Bay.

Starting point is 00:55:27 Yeah, that's talking about something that doesn't make any sense. It's like when he left the office of the Prime Minister, he was like, hey, Canada won! Yeah! But I have to admit that it's interesting to see him comment on the media, to have a speech on the media. Because in my opinion, being Prime Minister is a media role above all. You know, the interview went on and we're talking about

Starting point is 00:55:50 the different successes of Françoise Legault in the last eight years as Prime Minister. I find it interesting that this interview came out this week because this week, you know, in France, the TV1 show Emmanuel Macron against France took place. On TV1, it was a TV1 show, Emmanuel Macron vs France, on TV1. It was a 3.5 hours live show on TV1, where Emmanuel Macron was there and answered to several questions one after the other. I listened to both of them almost the same day. I realized that both of them had the same speech. They have been prime minister or president for the same number of years. Macron 2017, François Legault 2018. And both of them did their best,

Starting point is 00:56:27 but there are really external situations. Covid, Trump, the war in Ukraine, especially for France. I make sure they didn't reach certain goals. And Macron has even more crises, the Yellow Vests, a lot of things. So it's like me, but we have good costs, no one supports our good costs.

Starting point is 00:56:43 A lot of problems that came to us are due to externalities. That's what François Le Gauve said. No, but we have the economy growing faster. The media just focus on Noltevold, but you don't talk about it. There's a lot of good news. So that's really what's missing in Macron's speech. We just focus on what's wrong.

Starting point is 00:57:00 Another funny thing, François Le Gauve never did that. There was his podcast, and his podcast was really controlled. How long did it last? It lasted an hour and a half. No, no, his podcast. I think it's like 15 episodes. What's interesting in François-Legault's language, I'm going to make you react to two moments. And I just want to make them play for the world too.

Starting point is 00:57:20 Double expertise. You know, we can upgrade the headquarters of the great Manic. You know, we can upgrade the headquarters of the great Manic. As representative of the Kivikwa office of the French language, I give you minutes. What? Wait. Macron said he's not like Trudeau, you know, because Trump is really cocky. Cocky? It's like a mix of cocky and couch. I have no idea where this came from.

Starting point is 00:57:57 Because his right arm, Gideon, is accused of having sex with the cokes. Ok, you think that's the only reference to François Legault? He means cocky. He makes cokes. It's like cow and cock. I don't know. I just want to say, I'm directly underlining, I'm happy that François Legault uses anglicisms. I love that.

Starting point is 00:58:24 But don't make an advertisement like the one from the Falcon, which was made a year ago, that uses anglicisms because it says whatever, down, are you down? I say yes, I'm down. There are words, he upgrades and Trump is cocky. He's the prime minister. So I hope that Jean-François Robert is listening right now.

Starting point is 00:58:43 So that's really for the language of François Legault. He's using it in the I'm not saying that François Legault has the same politics as Donald Trump. I'm just talking about the style, the delivery, the character. Maybe those who are in the same generation, and both are businessmen who built businesses in the 70s and 80s. They come from the same era. I just found that there is more of a stimulus, while Pierre Poliev never struck me like a Trump. Pierre Poliev, I always said that he is someone who is a close up to the 40s. Not even the 20s, not even the 30s, at the 40s.

Starting point is 00:59:30 So there are a lot of resentment that he took in his life and that he has come out. This is my diagnosis of Pierre Poliev. François Legault is not that. François Legault is a guy who has always been sharp. Who has always had what he wanted. This is more Trump than Pierre Poiliev. So there, I'm just going to put the clip that proves my point a little, but just in the discourse. And even Stéphane Bureau points there.

Starting point is 00:59:53 Yes, and everything called artificial intelligence, data center in the United States, they will need a lot. I don't see how they're going to find this electricity. We have a plan where we are doubling the capacity of Hydro-Québec. I wouldn't say we're going to be dead, but it's going to be the age of art for the economy of Quebec. All of this for you. So now he's projecting in the future, he says that the challenge of the 21st century is going to be energy. Electricity. We in Quebec have electricity and we're not even close to producing the maximum capacity we have. We're going to double the capacity of Hydro-Québec and we're going to be laughing our asses off.

Starting point is 01:00:32 It's going to be the golden age of Quebec's economy. What does it make Donald Trump think about? Even Stéphane Bureau. I want to stay. It's too exciting exciting But you're giving me a Trumpian answer At the end of the podcast, Stephane Bureaux asks François Legault How did you meet Trump Because he met him at the inauguration of

Starting point is 01:00:54 Notre Dame Cathedral And François Legault tells that he went to see him They had already interacted in the past Because François Legault had a company called Air Transat And I don't know if you had already tracked Air flights, whatever all the airlines have Air Canada, it's AC, and then you put the name of the flight. That kind of name?

Starting point is 01:01:11 Yeah, which is international and which works according to the rules. Air Transat had TS before its flights. Trump had just launched an airline called Trump Shuttle and had called François Legault directly to offer him to buy the TS. an airline company called Trump Shuttle and had called François Legault directly to offer him to buy the T.S. Then he tells the story and Trump says yes, yes, I remember, I remember very well. François Legault would have said to him

Starting point is 01:01:34 do you remember what I answered you? And Trump says no, what did you answer me? Then François Legault said in English No fucking way! Then Trump got laughing and Who's the cocky guy? And then Trump would have laughed at him, he would have slapped his shoulder and said You're my kind of guy.

Starting point is 01:01:51 Ok. My boys club? Yeah, but I think... That's why I'm telling you that he matches better with Trump than Pierre Paulier with fucking Trump and he would have been like Ah yeah, uh uh uh uh...

Starting point is 01:02:04 Anyway. So according to you, François Legault has several similarities with Trump. And there's like, Claire Paulier with fucking Trump, she's like, oh yeah, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh want to listen to from François Legault, which is a little longer, but it's because it's a series of links that are so complicated and so interesting to decipher how François Legault's mind works. And again, there's like a call to the media. So it's going to be really interesting because we're going from afar and we end up somewhere else. Difficult and intimate at the same time. So there, Stéphane Béreau said, I have a difficult and intimate question at the same time. So, François, Stéphane Bureaud said that I have a difficult and intimate question at the same time. The state of our health system is people who are older, or rather, who are threatened by death,

Starting point is 01:02:52 and who, rather than taking a chance with the health system, will choose to find a way out. Euthanasia, medical help to die, we have all kinds of words to describe that. We are the champions of the world in terms of medical help to die. And I don't question it. Restore yourself to practice. I think it's the right choice to have the choice. But when doctors tell you, I have patients who are afraid.

Starting point is 01:03:18 I have patients who... Now you're making me the guy's face. Who says I agree, who doesn't agree. Because what is difficult in our central system... Can I just get to the end of my question? Yes. If you were... obviously you're the Prime Minister and you'll be... I'm the mother of 96.

Starting point is 01:03:38 Okay. Obviously, she has a good contact. But the question is, could you imagine that in the end of life, in a system that would look like the one we are going through today, you would say, I'd rather get out illegally? I wouldn't accept that, and I don't think, I hope it doesn't happen even once. Because in our health system, what is here is to go home. But people who have serious problems, so close to dying,

Starting point is 01:04:14 I hope there is no one who doesn't have the necessary services. I hope... They tell me that in Pageti, for example, it's difficult. I don't hear that. Honestly. I don't hear that. I honestly don't hear that. And if I heard that, I would say it's unacceptable because, especially our elders, we have the duty to treat them well, the others who let us what we have today. And, sincerely, I didn't hear that there are people who are going to seek medical help to die because they don't have the services. There are more in Quebec who choose medical help to die. It raises questions, but we are in a society where it is very negative.

Starting point is 01:05:11 What is negative? So there, I show you this clip and I let him play for a long time because there he talks to us about medical aid to die, and there I pause, we will continue, because it's really interesting what's going to happen next. Stéphane, the office asks, is it a fact that since the medical aid is available, Quebec is the place that uses it the most in the world? I wonder if it's not also a relationship with religious institutions that could potentially explain this abundance of suicide in Quebec.. We're religiously disaffiliated in Quebec more than elsewhere in Canada. And maybe that influences our relationship with death. Maybe, really.

Starting point is 01:05:51 And Stéphane Bureaux tries to make a link with people who are really afraid to enter the health system, to be in palliative care, to have a lack of care, to have a shower once a week, once a... You know, when you're in complete loss full autonomy and you're being taken care of badly, and I'm trying to be in the suffering. You're in the loneliness, the suffering. Exactly. And François-Legault says, it's unacceptable, it doesn't happen, we don't say that. Yes, I understand that it's difficult to have access to certain services when you're young, maybe in mental health, in health. But if you're affected by a deadly disease and you're going to die soon,

Starting point is 01:06:25 we're going to allow you to have a doctor. That's what François-Legault Besséclis says. Great! Because look at what he's going to talk about, okay? Yeah, I'm listening. It's not just, okay, we're in a society... It's very negative. There was the pandemic.

Starting point is 01:06:41 There was the cost of living. There are a lot of bad things, good things. It's very negative in the media. If we add all that, do you think it's the media's business? Check that out, what are your office fans doing? Can you see it? So the media would be correlated with the rise of suicide. I prefer rather believe... I'd rather believe that there's editing, that it's really the link that made it. And look at what Stéphane Burot did. It's still crazy. Check his hand.

Starting point is 01:07:13 Do you like all this? Do you think it's the thing that's leading to... He touches... He touches François Legault. But it's a contact, man. Yeah, contact. Is that the name of the podcast? Even him is like... Yo, do you really think it's the media thing? If... Ok, we're going to continue, because it's getting worse.

Starting point is 01:07:29 It's like a water crash that's starting. Ok, ok, I'm getting ready. No, but I put them in the package. It's very negative, actually. Traditional media and social media. And when I add all that, I tell myself, I should find hope, something positive. It's something that really touches me, and that negative atmosphere... Excuse me, but it's something that really touches me. What does it touch you?

Starting point is 01:07:59 The negative atmosphere. And the negative atmosphere is due to the media. Among other things, social and traditional media, to take back those words. Well, I think there's a need for a mandatory web culture course, to implement that in the program of the Egypt, as I said in my article in the press published last Sunday. There was also an emigration that involved Trump, the Marine Le Pen and company, but you And you have your... It would be added, there is the fight for climate change. There are lots of bad news that have been added in recent years that make people negative.

Starting point is 01:08:34 But when I do it, I also have a lot of trouble with that, to meet someone, I won't have children because I don't want to put them in this kind of society. I have trouble with that, a lot of trouble with that. Is it a political failure that... I'm not talking about you. No, no. ... of the political class that not being able to counter precisely this pessimism and to make a generation, not all young people,

Starting point is 01:08:59 and that some say, I can't put myself in the world today. Yeah, well, you know, I can't do anything else than look back when I was 20 years old, everything was possible. You know, on June 24, we went to Montaigne, we were proud. But I think it's a bit like one of the biggest dangers of the great language system, which is irresponsible behavior. And then she's at work in her speech. There's no responsibility. Doubt. You're like the doubt that directs Quebec, that makes important decisions. And then everything that happens, it's just

Starting point is 01:09:35 the atmosphere, the media. The people, the negative... We've had bad news one after the other, you know, that's what they say. Migration again, which makes its appearance. Well, that's the immigration that caused Trump and the penalty. That's his diagnosis that he's coming to pose. It's still interesting because through that, he doesn't really define... But I think he's convinced of what he says.

Starting point is 01:09:56 Oh yeah, he says it like he's not on the facts. It's just like he got to these conclusions and he quickly goes over it. And when I was young, everything was possible. We went to Montaigne on June 24, and life was in front of us. I think it's the best image. França, the guy grew up in Westmont. He grew up in Outremont. He went to Mont-Royal on June 24, and he thought life was possible.

Starting point is 01:10:16 He grew up in an era where it wasn't expensive to study at university, where you had access to property easily. All things that ultimately, his government is in a worse place. Today, people are very negative. It can't be done otherwise than to disappoint me. That's why I always have two big priorities. Yes, economy, and it's not an end in itself, it's giving us means. But also the pride of being Quebecois.

Starting point is 01:10:48 Ok, so we have to remember that we're all in a segment of one question about medical help in dying. Ok. And now we're back to the economy, the pride of being Quebecois, and it's still a rewriting of François Legault's speech, because supposedly he got elected and every election he said the same thing, his biggest priority is education. But the times have changed, it made the economy and the pride of being Quebeceran. But François Legault was always the candidate, saying that the ideas that are, that are, that are driving educational institutions like universities. Everything that has to do with, for example, the use of the word system and all that, it's knowledge that comes from universities. So necessarily, there has been a change in tone in relation to education.

Starting point is 01:11:39 Yeah, but that's it, but him, when I think he says education, you know, his first big measure when he got elected, it was the 4-year-old maternity leave. I think he he says education, his first big measure when he got elected was the 4-year maternity leave. I think when he calls for education, it's like the mandatory course, whether you're in school until you're 16. He thinks of the maternity leave, the primary, secondary, that's the idea that he never... you never hear him talk about... But he might not be able to evoke education as teachers are in their feed. And then they talk about the fact that they're from Quebec and they look at it and we end up with that. So just to remind you, we started from the medical school in Montréal. And...

Starting point is 01:12:17 I'm worried about what's happening in Montréal. I'm worried about the French place and our values. I'm worried. There are people... My office is just in front of McGill's office. And to see that we import conflicts in Quebec. That we talk about the conflict between Hilo and the Syrians. It doesn't matter in the meantime.

Starting point is 01:12:40 Because it's not our conflict. It's ours. You know, that's the argument I see on Twitter all the time. It's not our conflict, we don't fight. Why do we send them money? We finance it. There are weapons that are built in the Rivneau, in Montreal. In the Panthémy.

Starting point is 01:12:59 Fuck. At worst, it's not our conflict. We completely finance it. But it's the conflict of people who are here and who read it from afar. You see, Stéphane Burrough just exposed his foot. It's as if, and no offense, you have no genetic connection with Palestine as we could go back to maybe 1500 years

Starting point is 01:13:20 before your ancestors were in Palestine. No offense. Okay. But it's like, it's to believe that everyone who took this cause is a Muslim. But that's what life says, Stéphane Dero. Like people in Palestine, I consider myself a human being. So for me, the way we treated humans, it touches me.

Starting point is 01:13:43 Yeah, I know. What I mean is what he says live, is to believe that everyone who is caught in this conflict, doesn't care, because they are here now, and what he doesn't say yet, because we're going to talk about the country, is that they are Muslims, they are islamists. That's really what I wanted to say. It doesn't surprise me coming from him. It's really that, that the discourse... It doesn't surprise me coming from him.

Starting point is 01:14:07 But it's not to recognize that when you go into a pro-Palestinian manifesto, there are a lot more... There are a lot of Caucasian people who are very hipster, very grievous in 2012. Like us, it's a stereotype, but you see the image I'm trying to make. Well, I've seen a lot, a lot of old people, actually. Well, yes. Old people committees, even more than people your age, for example. I see Megil just in front of my desk. I read that all summer.

Starting point is 01:14:36 For months. And... You know, we're all... If you go to Megil, there's no violence. Honestly, it's like, listen, that's what makes me happy. I'm just not able to we talk about a genocide, we talk about violence that is even exposed at all times of the day on social networks. There, there is a little less because there is a lot of censorship, but you know, a year ago, I was falling on... Even today, I saw a baby with the head exploded, like, violence, sorry!

Starting point is 01:15:17 Well, I tell myself, people who see that, well, they can't do otherwise too, than say, it's going to die. So now, he's making a link. Because at the beginning, you have to follow the idea. He's talking about medical help to die. He's back, people are negative. People don't want to have children who are negative. And his diagnosis is that people see what's going on in McGill. And they don't have the choice to say that it's going to hurt in Quebec.

Starting point is 01:15:43 Ok. It's like that. I'm trying to follow what he's saying, he's the Prime Minister, but it's like... I'm going... It doesn't make any sense, like, reasonably. Yeah. And wait, here we come and I think... That's the murko... But what's sad is that I have no...

Starting point is 01:15:57 Like, I couldn't do a video reaction because I'm still someone with an apathetic, but I have no emotions about it, no surprises. The industrial complex of surprises doesn't work with taste. I'm not saying that what's happening in Gaza, what Netanyahu did, I can't agree with that. What's happening in Ukraine, I can't agree with that. But, that we find ourselves in Montreal and, you know, that we don't recognize ourselves anymore. Not just our language, our values, our laicity. Yes! That was a close call! That was a close call! Laicity is important. We, with the 21st law, we took a step forward,

Starting point is 01:16:46 but Bernard Dreiville is taking another step forward. Jean-François Robert, I also think that we need to be able to say, we have our values, and we have our language, and we have our culture, we have to be pure, and we have to get out of this legal state. Well, that's the end of the reaction, but I think he's talking about secularism, and it's like he's evoking the Quebecois values, and I don't know what you're going to say. Well, no, but I think that evoking values is a discourse that made me think about when I translated the biography Saputo's biography, L'homme d'affaires. It was a common place that was very often brought back, the values, my values, the values of our family. But it was never explicit. What values are you talking about?

Starting point is 01:17:35 That's it. I don't want to continue listening because that's the question that Stéphane Bureau will ask him. What values are you talking about? He'll say let's start with secularism. And then he'll talk about secularism. But what I mean in this clip is that it really evokes we have our values and we want to have fun. And I think that if there's one thing that he said in the whole interview that understood the Quebec psyche the most, it's that I think that at the heart of the Quebec identity,

Starting point is 01:18:02 it's to have fun. To have fun. I like everything to have fun, to have fun. I want fun. And I think it comes back to, you know, we question ourselves a lot about why humor has such a big place in Quebec, why humor and this cultural industry like that in Quebec. But I think it's one of the fundamental flaws of Quebec, it's like having fun. So I agree with him, I'm just on that. Clearly, it's off the cuff. He makes so many strong links, his speech is so uncoated, but you see that he thinks while speaking, at least he gave us that. Yeah, the pleasure.

Starting point is 01:18:34 No, but I mean, at least he gave us the exercise of not repeating lines of like, but really. A conversation in a folded stick. Exactly. And there is, but I find it funny that they put laity and pleasure, that's the Quebecois values. I'm like, ok François, it's like the vision that conquers the world. So that was it, you can go listen to the interview in full, but for me it was really the clip we just listened to, the rest was just like, what we just listened to, I think it was like the most important thing. But it's interesting because pleasure also teaches us

Starting point is 01:19:01 our relationship with death. We want to have pleasure, we want to enjoy life, we have an hedonistic perspective knowing that life is ephemeral. So it's the idea of taking advantage of the time we have on Earth. Okay, and I know it's a long segment, but I'm just going to make a quick summary. There is a partial election in Artabasca that should be started in the next five months because Eric Lefebvre, former deputy of the CAC, resigned to join the Conservative Party of Canada. He was elected as a deputy. So the government has six months to start an election. And I don't know why, the day after the federal elections, the Conservative Party, the Quebec Party, have launched a campaign as if François Legault had started the campaign

Starting point is 01:19:38 before summer. Which I don't think he will do. I think he will start it by coming back directly. And it gave way to an online confrontation that I talked about before in Café Sneak between the libertarian right-wing conservative, which on Twitter is called the pirate right-wing, and the Quebec nationalist. And there, it's really a full frontal fight between the Quebec Conservative Party and the Quebec Party on Twitter. And it's really interesting because I think that's one of the final divisions that will happen in Quebec politics. It's going to be the Sorenesses against the libertarians.

Starting point is 01:20:13 And if we plan that in the future, maybe it's going to be that one day. There was an event that happened, I don't know if you followed it, but Éric Duhem decided that he was going to be in the party. It still hasn't started. And the PQ announced a candidate, Alexandre Boissonneau, who had been, it was released right after his nomination, he had been a member of a militant group called Germinal, militant of the extreme left or militant of the anarchist, anti-world, anti-capitalist left, who, during the Summit of the Americas in 2001,

Starting point is 01:20:39 organized themselves to make a popular uprising, destroy the clout, the clout that we defined as being unfrashable. There was a big media myth around this clout, the leaders of the world will all be in security. He wanted to destroy the clout so that the protesters could demonstrate as close as possible during the Summit of the Americas, which gathered, among other things, George W. Bush, who was really hated. There were a lot of things were happening during that time. He was a contender. He was wiretapped by the GRC. The GRC arrested him.

Starting point is 01:21:13 He was in prison for 40 days during the American Summit. He was released and sentenced to community work. He was barely in the community. He had a pardon in 2011. He became a journalist at Radio Canada for 18 years. That was his life, his career. The members of the Conservative Party on Twitter, especially Eric Duhaime

Starting point is 01:21:32 started to act as the SJWs, the Social Justice Warriors in 2015. They started to treat the supporters of the racist PQ. They started to say that Alexandre Boissonneau had to be canceled. They started to hold speeches that themselves

Starting point is 01:21:51 that they saw as woke when it was someone on the left who did that. I found that so interesting, this return where the conservative libertarians on Twitter suddenly found themselves in the call out. They are like, oh my god, it's unacceptable. They retweet Peket tweets, they're like, look at a racist. It's like, yo, what the fuck? Like where is it? Well, those speeches are always at double standards. They bring people closer to the things they do, it's correct. You know, it's another thing that conservatives are doing right now.

Starting point is 01:22:21 Mark Carney has removed all the counter-tariff against the US or almost, but he did it like underwater, it wasn't covered when he did it, he said it, but he didn't pay attention to it. Now it's out in the media, someone makes a media story with that. Now Pierre Poliev and conservatives are like, oh yeah, you did that, you said you were going to fight for Canada, blah blah. These people were against the counter-tariff,

Starting point is 01:22:41 they thought it was a bad idea. But now, seeing as Carney did what they suggested, they're suddenly sticking to the hypocrisy. There's no ideological foundation. If your ideological opponent did what you thought was good for the country, well, okay, fair enough. You know what I mean? And I think that's a bit what happens with the PQ and the PPC.

Starting point is 01:23:00 It's a fight of cocks. Where ultimately, decisions don't matter much. The goal is to have the other. The goal is one thing, the other. The staff, the Canada, we don't care. All we want is to crush his opponent. Exactly, and you know, Eric Duhaime, the press trade of terrorists, there are people, conservatives, who compare him to Alexandre Bissonette, the guy who shot at the mosque in Quebec.

Starting point is 01:23:22 So it's completely, it has no good meaning. I find it funny because now Alexandre Bolsonaro is defined as a right-wing center, but he's like obligated a little bit because it's like the only vibe of the county. I don't think he's a right-wing as such. He's left-wing but he wants the state to be efficient basically.

Starting point is 01:23:38 So there's a Gabriel Lando Dubois who said that two years ago. So just in politics, what's the point? It's a long segment, long episode. I hope you liked Coffee Snake. Ah, it's over, ok. Well, thank you, my friend. It's been 2 hours. We wanted to take the time to talk about a summer plan for Coffee Snake.

Starting point is 01:23:58 In fact, we really need a month off. So we thought we'd take July off. But we're still going to produce content. That's it, after producing almost, well at this moment it's almost 50 episodes of Coffee Snake. Every week. Every week we said that to give a fresh wind, we really had to stop the production. To take a little break, it's also time to maybe promote a Coffee Snake live, live with you or even the production of merch?

Starting point is 01:24:29 Not just that, or just like rethink the format of the segments, have new ideas, just like just live without having to do that for a couple of weeks to recharge. I think everyone will win at that. But as we said you, we don't want to leave you without Café Snake. So what we would like to do is to open the lines open like on the radio and let you intervene in a series of episodes of Café Snake that we will release in July. Or are we going to respond to your takes, your observations or your analyses of certain things that we would have said in Café Snake? Not necessarily topics that we have already addressed in the show, but really, you know, topics that are linked to the web culture, politics, the media. So your theories, if you have your sacoche saga or your... Explicit your ideas, your theories, that's it, and we're going to comment on them, you know?

Starting point is 01:25:20 That's it. So that's going to be it for the episodes. The world on Patreon, you're going to have the exclusive episode on Patreon during these weeks. It's just that we're going to have them pre-taped so they won't be up to date. Yeah, unfortunately that's it. So our plan would be that you write to us, that you send us vocal memos on our respective Instagram accounts. In the description in the description. But if not, your account is Mare de Lavage. My account on Instagram is Daphne B. Blou. We can't wait to hear from you and to react to your cultural diagnoses. That's our plan. Thank you for listening. See you next week.

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