café snake - Lignes Ouvertes #5

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

C'est les lignes ouvertes!! On répond a vous questions/takes tout l'été!Films / vidéosLa Nuit de la poésie 27 mars 1970, l’ONF, réalisé par Jean-Claude Labrecque et Jean-Pierre Masse ...– 1970, en ligne : ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_YXwoEVxjw&t=5539s⁠Billy, un film de Lawrence Côté-Collins dédié aux victimes, documentaire, 2025, ⁠https://billylefilm.com/fr/⁠En 1976, Susan Sontag et ses réflexions féministes, politiques et artistiques, Radio-Canada Archives, en ligne, ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YmsexNC_Ug&t=471s⁠Les nouveaux souverainistes (Par Maire de Laval), Mounir Kaddouri, Urbania, 2025, en ligne : ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-b895_6O3s&t=647s⁠Paul Saint-Pierre Plamondon - Assemblés, Mounir Kaddouri, Maire de Laval (Youtube), 2022: ⁠https://youtu.be/37KLdKh_HTA⁠Blake Lively and the Amber Heard Effect, Matt Bernstein & Kat Tenbarge, en ligne, ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aOwIK9q8Ns⁠La série Empathie!All the beauty and the bloodshed (2022), réal Laura Poitras, avec Nan Goldin.SonCapitaine Révolte, « J’ai oublié », ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1sfxaOcj4k⁠Textes“ Speak white ” de Michèle Lalonde. Gestes, postures et devenir d’une prise de parole, Arnaud Maisetti, Presses Universitaires de Vincennes, 2016 : ⁠https://shs.hal.science/halshs-02343470v1/document⁠« Speak What » de Marco Micone, 1989⁠https://umaine.edu/teachingcanada/wp-content/uploads/sites/176/2015/06/2-Speak-what-fr.pdf⁠NOTE: DANS LE BALADO, JE DIS 1980, MAIS LE POÈME A ÉTÉ PUBLIÉ POUR LA PREMIÈRE FOIS EN 1989.Understanding the connections between the Congo and Palestine genocides, Nylah Iqbal Muhammad, Mondoweiss, ⁠https://mondoweiss.net/2024/08/understanding-the-connections-between-the-congo-and-palestine-genocides/⁠ (2024)The Change Report™: Curtis Fric of Polling USA: On the use and abuse of polls, rage bait as a political tool, and making meaningful change in the 2020s, Kyle Raymond Fitzpatrick et Curtis Fric, ⁠https://1234kyle5678.substack.com/p/the-change-report-curtis-fric-of⁠Acute Narcissistic Intimacy Delusion : How to connect with a robot on a human level, Gerogia Iacovou, Horrific/Terrific, en ligne, ⁠https://www.horrific-terrific.tech/p/acute-narcissistic-intimacy-delusion⁠This is what ChatGPT is actually for, Ryan Broderick, Garbage Day, en ligne, ⁠https://www.garbageday.email/p/this-is-what-chatgpt-is-actually-for⁠You're Alone and You're Scared but the Banquet's All Prepared! On techno-animism, Katherine Dee, Default Blog, en ligne, ⁠https://default.blog/p/youre-alone-and-youre-scared-but⁠A.I. is not replacing radiologists, ⁠andreweverett360⁠, ⁠Articles of Interest⁠, en ligne, ⁠https://articles.data.blog/2025/06/21/a-i-is-not-replacing-radiologists⁠You sound like ChatGPT,  ⁠Sara Parker⁠, The Verge, en ligne, ⁠https://www.theverge.com/openai/686748/chatgpt-linguistic-impact-common-word-usage⁠Un demi-siècle de recherches uqamiennes sur le journalisme : état des lieux et perspectives d’avenir, Chantal Francœur, Éric George, Samuel Lamoureux et Jean-Hugues Roy, en ligne, ⁠https://journals.openedition.org/communiquer/4904

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Good morning Yo, it's my name I'm gonna lookie just I'm gonna say, you know, do you, what's gonna say to have Hello, man, it's Daphne Oh, but I'm obliged, I read a film of one hour on an or something
Starting point is 00:00:14 And then, I was just like, I don't this film, that. It's a cafe snake. Good morning, Good morning Hello! Hello, welcome to Linge
Starting point is 00:00:30 Snake. As we have said, we're presently on vacants, but we've enrageted these episodes of Ling Uvert
Starting point is 00:00:36 where you we have made your questions, and we will be able to react to our
Starting point is 00:00:41 capacity. Munnir, when is Kaffe Snke Ruggier Reviourne Reviourne on?
Starting point is 00:00:46 So, we're on the actuality direct for the return to the 19 o'u.
Starting point is 00:00:52 So, just to that every mordy you'll have to have a new episode
Starting point is 00:00:55 of the Lines of Kaffesneye D-D-D-D-L-D. I have a question to pose
Starting point is 00:01:00 to the government. Is he me listen? It's that's it's so.
Starting point is 00:01:09 The Lings Uvert of Caffe Snake Yeah Hey
Starting point is 00:01:14 Hey! and Hello, Mr. Hello. Today, I'm talking to Nick Souzoki.
Starting point is 00:01:21 And this year it's the Laurenti Yeah, there's to please this place,
Starting point is 00:01:25 yeah, yeah, it's good for the camping. Cole Coffield, he has
Starting point is 00:01:29 not marked 40 buch. The society in general. Well, it's
Starting point is 00:01:34 I'm not, I think that we feel that's I'm playing not.
Starting point is 00:01:39 I'm because Okay, so, okay, so now, we're looking
Starting point is 00:01:42 the tech of Kev Hello, Daphne, um, um, um, by
Starting point is 00:01:46 a take in the cafe snake, I'm not the take but I'm
Starting point is 00:01:51 like a question and I'm like you would say you can hear of your view,
Starting point is 00:01:55 your analysis on the it's like some of the impression a little general
Starting point is 00:01:59 but it's that I think I think I'm the presence of the art at the
Starting point is 00:02:05 fact in the in the media of the media of and on the
Starting point is 00:02:09 web in the universe of the podcast of the blog all
Starting point is 00:02:15 it's, no, the platform, at the phone, because I'm in the front, I'm like, as a person who can't
Starting point is 00:02:22 be able to a podcast, it's like, it's, it's really the ballado on the art because I
Starting point is 00:02:28 get over the minute, I'm doing this. Because I'm really of that for, like, to comeble my culture
Starting point is 00:02:32 general. You, let's say that I know, I'd like, I'd rather not the
Starting point is 00:02:38 realisators Russian in the next year, but I'm to have an idea of what he does that realize at a time, and all the time
Starting point is 00:02:48 to read a book there's I think, I think, I think, I think, the balladou, it's really, you know, rich for that. You know, I'm I'm going to,
Starting point is 00:02:54 I'm going to, I'm going to some of the United that I've got, on the literature, notably, sometimes on the theory also,
Starting point is 00:03:03 like, a little psychanalise, theory, theory, kind of white theory, or, well, I'm, in the case. So,
Starting point is 00:03:13 that for to compel my culture general. And I see that it's a long time that it's a lot of
Starting point is 00:03:17 it's not a time you know, I've even made a question about when I'm on the research on the
Starting point is 00:03:23 space that's that's that's in general in the mediaa, you know, it's really from 20
Starting point is 00:03:29 25 years, there's really a reduction mathematical of the space, the grandeur of the world of
Starting point is 00:03:33 all that, and I say, I would say, I'd say that now, it's more of the,
Starting point is 00:03:40 the critique, not the with a sense to reflect on a new that's a bit
Starting point is 00:03:45 of the promotion or some the interview with the comedians of the film to make the point
Starting point is 00:03:50 to do and it's not even a reflection at a part of the art that you
Starting point is 00:03:54 can debouch on the society on blah blah blah and
Starting point is 00:03:58 my other constant is that on Quebec but
Starting point is 00:04:03 but even even everywhere let's even on Instagram there
Starting point is 00:04:06 there there not no no more there there
Starting point is 00:04:11 have, but they're not in grand quantity, and if we're on the art Quebecois, there's really pretty much less nothing, I know, I don't know, and I'm not, I know, and I'm not, I'm never seen, I've never seen these real Instagram,
Starting point is 00:04:24 or these videos Instagram, or these stories, Instagram, who proposed, let's see, an analysis of film, you know, Quebecor, or a, badado to Quebec, on the artists
Starting point is 00:04:36 here, on the music Quebecoise, with a number, you know, like more analysis, critiques, all that, reflection, or even the literature, so, so, so, so,
Starting point is 00:04:48 is, is that, is that you, is that you, is the same consta a little, that the way, in the media of heritage, and in the media,
Starting point is 00:04:55 let's, there's, like, a lot of, representation, but also, and, perhaps of reflection, on the literature, the cinema,
Starting point is 00:05:06 the arts, visual, And then, how you'll explain why is why is let's just let's let's get
Starting point is 00:05:15 plenty of content of analysis on my media on Instagram but I have any content
Starting point is 00:05:21 of analysis let's say let's talk on the page I'm like how how explain that why it's
Starting point is 00:05:27 why it's not been invested by the people by the people who prof of university, the doctorate,
Starting point is 00:05:35 how much explain this vid, so, you know, it's just a little brouillon, it's a bit, it's a bit, it's just
Starting point is 00:05:42 to open a piece, if it's just to, like, it's a pertinent for you, and if there's not pertinent, and if you're full fan of what you
Starting point is 00:05:49 do you feel like, and I'm better to hear of your emissions of the year too. Ciao! As soon. I hope that you go well. Yes,
Starting point is 00:05:55 thank you. Yes, thank you. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, thank you. I'm rejoined because what's what he made to watch YouTube
Starting point is 00:06:02 when I was like at the beginning, it's just this community of critic of cinema on YouTube. I've started to listen to YouTube
Starting point is 00:06:09 only in listening to American, the Moisli, in fact, just American. It's kind of it's not
Starting point is 00:06:16 developed to Quebec in the time that it's developed in the world. And I think there are diverse reasons. I just if we
Starting point is 00:06:21 if we're if we're talking of the aspect YouTube, not the aspect media, heritage. It's really the reward, in fact. It's just that I don't, I don't know how the people, they're going to say, oh, it's a little market, there's nothing to do it, really. But I
Starting point is 00:06:32 think the ecosystem has changed, it's murray, he's rendered plus gross. I think just the fact that, let's make this remark that, like, live, maybe it's going to inspire the person who will be the person who will do. I think that in a future approach, it's what he will have more on YouTube. Even, you know, the critics of music, you know, I've seen plenty of people, in the years, to become
Starting point is 00:06:52 the needle job or the fan tano of the critic of the album, of music, it's never durier really
Starting point is 00:06:57 long time, but I think eventually, like it's quite confidence on the web in the way,
Starting point is 00:07:01 but for to talk the domain that I know not an analysis literary, really you know, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:07 if we had the same constap, and I know, I have been at the same
Starting point is 00:07:11 reflections than you, it's sure that at the base, I'm mifies a bit of the
Starting point is 00:07:15 phantas of the reflex that we I would have to think that it was don't much before, but I would have tend to, you, ,,,, me range at your
Starting point is 00:07:25 side to say that, in time as literary, that artist, that intellectual, whatever, I'm, I'm frustrated of the lack of offer in the media at large, by rapport to,
Starting point is 00:07:36 and, like, you, I'm often, you, I'm abreve to, some sources, so, French, like, on the podcast, or, especially American.
Starting point is 00:07:43 It's, it's I was thinking also at, in the case I did some years, and I was a time of anthology, a interview of fond of almost one hour, with a journalist of Radio Canada at the time in 1976, and Suzanne Sontag, who was in her apartment, entouried of these leaves, at Paris. So we had literally paid a journalist of Radio Canada, Quebec-wise, for that they take the plane, that she's on air at Paris, and that she'll encounter Susan Tagg, for
Starting point is 00:08:13 jazes like that during one hour. And I think that's not something that we'd envisaged today, at least I, I don't know that, I see what, it's going to do you know, I think, that, our mission, like, demandaire, Radio Canadian, on the lecture,
Starting point is 00:08:27 the more, and we, you know, it's, it's good, it's a good point, it's more good point, but it's a lot that it was in fact that we have, kind of, every year, or almost of the week, a one hour,
Starting point is 00:08:37 one and a minute, I think, alluie to those art, to the lecture, to the literature, and it exists no.
Starting point is 00:08:42 And there's nothing to my view that in the pageage mediatique Quebeco. Honestly,
Starting point is 00:08:47 I think that there's a re-nove of the offer, by the part of the literature,
Starting point is 00:08:52 notam, at my sense, it will pass more than the media papiers, maybe the
Starting point is 00:08:58 ballado, of the espos maybe a tempo who is a tempo who is perhaps the problem
Starting point is 00:09:03 also with The radio, it's the mode cabaret, the radio on live, in direct, that, which is often applied, where we're afraid of silence, where there's too many around an table, all the world, and all the world, and it's all that it looks don't anima, and don't enliven, the fact that we're not in the direct, maybe the balladour, it would be an space to envisage. Perso, I don't know the TV, and I read,
Starting point is 00:09:23 I mean, I've got the eyes glued, or a, or at my screen of an computer. So, you know, even when I was abonded at these revue literature, I'd finish by not they'd, because I had already, a sur-encher of books. And I think what I'm
Starting point is 00:09:36 with the ballado is that I can listen a ballado by example in marching to go to go and
Starting point is 00:09:42 in doing my vassel. So it's it's in some time in the moment of the I do you
Starting point is 00:09:46 do you know, and I think there are many intellectual university who are connected to the culture.
Starting point is 00:09:52 When I talk to culture, it's not to study kind of word passant or
Starting point is 00:09:56 be able to it's really the here and now what's what what's it's very important to be
Starting point is 00:10:01 I think permeable to that to have an interest, a curiosity invers that. I've never ensigned necessarily with a task and I think
Starting point is 00:10:10 there's a charge administrative that comes with the post that's finished by eating a lot of time. There's this idea also to publish
Starting point is 00:10:16 or perish at the same of the university and with the fact it's more more difficult to have a post permanent
Starting point is 00:10:22 so there's a great precarity. The people who have in this milieu there are always in a process
Starting point is 00:10:28 where it's just to save their poe, to bemarked for eventually maybe have a post, so they're not necessarily all the time they would be, like, for
Starting point is 00:10:37 to be kind of a critic and to the absorption of work contemporary. It's so, finally, I go down a colloquy university, and then there's still, you know, I, 15 years after
Starting point is 00:10:50 that I had made my back, who are talking about one hour of the color, of a cravat in a book of Proust. And I say not that it's not important,
Starting point is 00:10:57 you know, to study Pruss, but I think that it's super important for the vitality of the culture to be interested to these ecrivene
Starting point is 00:11:05 who are practicine today. One other thing I'm mentioned that I'm the impression also
Starting point is 00:11:11 that sometimes at the university, we don't not to do the culture, to be a actant cultural,
Starting point is 00:11:16 it's a particular, to participate to the culture, to be able to share that it's something
Starting point is 00:11:21 of living and it depends not necessarily in fact it's not not an institution
Starting point is 00:11:25 in the culture, it depends really really just it's like finally,
Starting point is 00:11:32 these lives that are already consacred. It's a little to keep a little to the place to it's a place
Starting point is 00:11:38 to it's like you know, at a moment of a moment of the time, I've got the culture Quebecoise,
Starting point is 00:11:43 it's we we're doing it also, if there was maybe not a mark of artists and intellectual
Starting point is 00:11:49 at the internal, at the same in the institutions mediatique, that the problem is it's not
Starting point is 00:11:55 necessarily in the choice by example, on me often tend to the micro, quite I'm maybe not really a good example.
Starting point is 00:12:02 In the sense or like I've often felt like, we, we want to I would that I'd like I jose of all and of nothing. But I think that the problem that's more in the conception of the show, that's on the TV, at the radio,
Starting point is 00:12:14 in the media, the rubric, the chronic that we don't know in the journal. You know, the conception of the products in-so, who envisage the
Starting point is 00:12:23 mediaatic, who they make, who foment the questions, the subjects, the thematic that we're going about the table. I think that's also one of the
Starting point is 00:12:31 of the issues, because, I often I'm always re-trowed on these plateau around these tables, and I didn't feel that I had the space for myself, Daphne-B, and really say what I had the good to say. I felt like, we'd give a role to play, by example, the role of the feminists
Starting point is 00:12:46 millennial, and it's to say, if yes or no, I wanted to put the chape, you know, we'd encodry my parole. But I'm like this impression that in the era contemporane in which we life. There's like a desire generalist who is really well-enerned in the institutions mediatic, where these
Starting point is 00:13:05 people have, at the information, or even in the emissions cultural, have tried to pluror at the more number possible, or they've decided to attire the public the most large possible. And I think that's important to have this desire, to be cultivate, to want to be able to address to all the world, but I think there also these emissions that there are these
Starting point is 00:13:23 spaces that should have to be able to get to be public more circumscried and more niched. What they
Starting point is 00:13:28 think, they're, ganged in audience, in being hyper-generalist, they'll they lose
Starting point is 00:13:32 also in pertinence. I think, for example, those emissions in France Culture that you
Starting point is 00:13:38 listen sure like me, or the productions mediatic independent, particularly in the United
Starting point is 00:13:44 just around the mode. It's really like, it's really in the three years where there
Starting point is 00:13:50 really these podcasts, the creator of content, who are made to decortique the mode but to do
Starting point is 00:13:55 the angles sociological, historic, you really, with a regard analytic, by example, the ballado
Starting point is 00:14:02 Nimfet alomnai, or also the creator of content French, lias, who talked
Starting point is 00:14:07 in English in these capsules. So, he has developed these thoughts around an
Starting point is 00:14:11 object cultural, that's the mode, it's their expression artistic preferred to
Starting point is 00:14:16 these people, and we not in a paradigm of the information
Starting point is 00:14:19 not more to say, genre of promotion. We're really in the thought critical, so it's almost essayistic, as a product
Starting point is 00:14:28 cultural. And after that, there's a other theory that I've said, you know, it's a couple of times that I've asked
Starting point is 00:14:34 to do that with Muneer. I think there's some, you know, we talk to the crisis and media,
Starting point is 00:14:39 but I think there's that the years 70, on the level even of the profession
Starting point is 00:14:44 of journalists. And, in fact, it's that, I think that the journalism, is something
Starting point is 00:14:49 who's professionalized in the 70, 70, and even more, in the 80. So, it's all recent. Before the years 50, there were long my
Starting point is 00:14:58 research, there had few of formation formal that existed in Quebec for to become a journalist. And, often, the journalists
Starting point is 00:15:04 were auto-dict or issued of other disciplines. It's to be maybe he had made a matrize in letters like
Starting point is 00:15:12 where he had been by the law, or the economy, or the social, And then, then, he'd arrive and he'd be to cover these subjects, so he developed also
Starting point is 00:15:22 their co-journalist on the top. So, there had already a formation general, cultural, in fact, that they were quite in these domains circumscried. They'd not in communication. At the years 70,
Starting point is 00:15:37 there'd have been a floraison of programs in journalists in Quebec. I'd see interested, in fact, in an article that I'd in the notes of the episode, but that's retrace, finally, the parkour of the program in
Starting point is 00:15:50 in column, in journalism, at LUCAM, because we talk often of LUCAM as, as a reference in the studies journalistic. And I think that it's kind of quite quite I'd be curious also to hear the comments of the auditors, auditors.
Starting point is 00:16:03 Monair also, I'd like to see your input. Selon, this document that, it's really in the second year of existence of LUCAM, so he has started in 70-171,
Starting point is 00:16:14 that the family of letters will offer a module that's called information culturalel. And that I really found that interesting
Starting point is 00:16:23 that at its inception, you know, at the beginning, the program of Com or of journalism, it's part of something of
Starting point is 00:16:30 a more large that is of one, liable to the literature, and of two linked to the culture.
Starting point is 00:16:35 And then, this module that, it becomes the year following, literally a baccalaurea specialised in what, in information cultural.
Starting point is 00:16:44 Again, we look at the concept of information cultural. And then, we say that, despite, at this epoch of this baccalaurea, they, they're, they're, they're in the family of letters. So, it's like if he's revondike an independence by rapport to the department. And there, they've been a manifest that's called, to module
Starting point is 00:17:03 of information cultural, we aspire to the communication, point of declamation, and he decided to declare their independence. The people who have written this manifest, they're revented, to inventing the communication. You know, we're really on the debut of these studies in Com, in Quebec. And there, we say that the debate between the module of information cultural and the rest of the family of letters provoke these dissensions profound and a tension extreme at UCAM. In a report deposed in 1712, there's a vis-doying who decry the relations
Starting point is 00:17:37 like, and there I make these gimmee, but it's that's the text, the Vietnam of LUCAM. The crisis between what the practitioners and the theorists?
Starting point is 00:17:50 So, from there are some bar, there are some people who are in the theory, in the analysis, the critique, and of other,
Starting point is 00:17:55 there are some people who want simply do the practice. There are a schism. For the people who are
Starting point is 00:18:01 more of the party-pried of the practice, they're afraid, finally, that their discipline not fully recognized if they're just integrated to the family of the letters. For the people who are, they're espouted by the tendencies empiric of their confrars
Starting point is 00:18:20 and they're going to be able to be able to impose to them as a conscience regulatrice. There, finally, the majority of the chargey of course of the epoch, and the, the, The excresant majority of the students of the segment of Information Cultural, they will apply the work of the director of the France, who will, just demand to demand the independence, so the creation of a part entire, who will be called communication. Two years later, this demand, that, will be concretized, so there's a committee
Starting point is 00:18:49 of implantation of the Department of Communications that is made on foot. We project also that, just, the second cycle, the Maitrice, will be accessed on the intervention, the practice, rather than the research pure or abstract. We want to form these practitioners rather than
Starting point is 00:19:04 the researchers. In 1975, from the entry, so Lukam proposed for the first time a baccalaurea
Starting point is 00:19:10 specialised in communication. The Devoore will even titrate one of his articles, and that I
Starting point is 00:19:16 think there's not a title like there's not a title like communicator or communicator or communicator or
Starting point is 00:19:22 Explorator slash concepter or what the fuck? to talk of all this tumult at UCAM in the module of the communications and how they try to
Starting point is 00:19:32 define their practice and their angle of there's really not that, you know, I think that's a good illustration of how, finally, we're
Starting point is 00:19:41 talking about we're not in the journals or in the spaces of a gigar internal in the department of
Starting point is 00:19:48 letters at UCAM, it would be not the object of an article, I think, in the different,
Starting point is 00:19:54 I'm the impression that will finish by s'epuised. And since I would say that the
Starting point is 00:20:01 journalist has been the first specialization to start to get to do bacalorea in communication for form
Starting point is 00:20:07 a program of the first cycle distinct of the program of communication. I have the impression
Starting point is 00:20:12 that that through this professionalization of a job of journalists or even of the
Starting point is 00:20:17 domain of communications in general, but we have perhaps heard also like this idea
Starting point is 00:20:22 of education humanist or the people will develop these knowledge very particular in certain
Starting point is 00:20:28 domains who after that will be able to be able to apply to their work journalistic. Finally, I
Starting point is 00:20:35 would say that perhaps what we want to be collectively, will be to be able to be a
Starting point is 00:20:40 kind of like Caffe Snake, or maybe that it would be going to have a certain
Starting point is 00:20:45 power of financement. I think also that the magazines cultural Quebecois, like I
Starting point is 00:20:52 think at LETT Quebequoise, the Vos, spiral, et cetera, would, if it's not already
Starting point is 00:20:57 made, develop these podcasts because, personallyly, me, it's really something that I'm really more
Starting point is 00:21:04 than the review. So, why not? I know, it's, it's probably of little reflections.
Starting point is 00:21:12 I don't know what you have to be able to. It's really interesting. It's definitely a subject that's
Starting point is 00:21:18 plenty of intersections of discourse content in in Kavisnik, the history of, the back in or the Bacom or the Baccon Journalism, Malukam, is
Starting point is 00:21:24 passionate, so thank you. Thank you, it's very interesting, I think. I don't know if someone has already studied this link, maybe, but the journalist, it's kind of them who, who, who, filthre the world, and who are retransmit, you know, a version of, like, what, the reality in which we live? And if there's a changement
Starting point is 00:21:42 at their education and in their cursus university, well, it's clearly that it will detain in the actuality that we consume and in the way that the newvel are conced. Yeah, 100%. So, next, Susan.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Hello, Daphne, let me hear. I want to try one time to ask you for this super year of cafe snake, it's a malade. My question concerning, my question on take concerns the transformation of the consumption of consumption, of product cultural that media, where the web, and I'm wondering, how you see the place of the fiction
Starting point is 00:22:11 in this transformation, that, which is often, quite a lot of money, financier and technical for that. So I'd be wondering, how you see that? There's still, there you're still in a place for the fiction in this universe that it's developed. And sometimes I'm maybe we're
Starting point is 00:22:22 going to be more going to be to find out of the form that's a bit of course on what we're going to be right, what we're
Starting point is 00:22:27 I imagine also there's a place for the fiction at a petit deployment, and I'm quite a lot of the storytelling
Starting point is 00:22:32 on what's what's going to get to be more the people it's like a quote, it's like a bit of course, a cultural,
Starting point is 00:22:38 so I'm wondering that for the fiction. It's like that for the fiction. Great question. Thank you, thank you, Susan.
Starting point is 00:22:44 Thank you, for your question because, yes, I like the documentaire but I'm also the fiction. in the fiction, in fact, I think that it's not
Starting point is 00:22:53 dethrone like having the potential of the form of content of visual or cultural or cinematic the most powerful than the most popular than it.
Starting point is 00:23:02 It's just that it's always more often, but I think that when it it happens, it's always to think,
Starting point is 00:23:09 even against the model, if we've seen live with empathy, start a fiction to success to fashion
Starting point is 00:23:14 abdomadair and even not in model binge like Netflix, I think that's the fashion of diffusion
Starting point is 00:23:19 cultural. The potential to be the most important in a culture or in a discussion cultural, especially in how the cano of communication are organized the fact that you drop an episode, he's
Starting point is 00:23:30 a week, most that all the people talk, after an other episode, the suspense, how it's like to the opposite of how we consume the content of
Starting point is 00:23:40 a way instantaner, we don't even not to attend, but that's a force to take the time, to attend, to think, it's a lot of the
Starting point is 00:23:46 end of the TV, the end, no, it's got to start the series, all the episodes in in the same time. Maybe there are
Starting point is 00:23:51 some euphoria or like House of Dragons who's out or like Lastovus on Hsu
Starting point is 00:23:58 HBO and that every week every year a new cliff so I think the fiction is a new
Starting point is 00:24:03 risk high risk, high reward. In the phone, it's a great risk financial
Starting point is 00:24:10 but if you do the good fiction you have the potential at the moment to have an impact
Starting point is 00:24:14 that is immense and I don't compare to a impact that was before, like, the eventment of the internet, it's sure that there are
Starting point is 00:24:21 people who were going to run to get the fiction, like there were just the little bit of the TV, or the bougon who's, it's not the same thing, but I think
Starting point is 00:24:28 there's still the potential to attain an immense public and generate a discussion that you could not generate just with the documenter. I think that the
Starting point is 00:24:37 fiction, it's created what, by the attachment to person, by the liberty also, by the freedom, and I know when we're
Starting point is 00:24:43 when there's the liberty, there's the choice that we're there's the choice that there's the financial, it's sure that you have plenty of ideas, but they're some of the limitations, oh, tourne out, turn to go out, tourne the night,
Starting point is 00:24:53 turn here, turn there, there's, there there's limitations like budgetary in what you can imagine as a sign, but I think that often in the fiction, on Quebec, we're not that's like dialogue heavy, that's like a little, like a succession or like these series, where are really based on the history, on the story, on the
Starting point is 00:25:10 person, on the analysis, on their regard critical, for the society. By rapport to the fiction, plus the part literary, I mean, I've read recently, We're talking often of speculations at a cafe snake, that the shirt list and the long list of the books, notably in traduction, for the booker price,
Starting point is 00:25:26 really, you know, the fact that what's he pung in this moment is the fiction speculative. You know, you talked to a raconteur, I think that there really this dimension that. You know, I just didn't know in which episode it will start, but we're talking to orality numeric. So, so that dimension that also,
Starting point is 00:25:42 I think, he's deployed. By example, with these characters like Missatissa, is we're in the fiction or the auto fiction this dam that's for those and those who are people who
Starting point is 00:25:52 they're talking in 50 episodes on TikTok how she had married a mentor compulsive Who the fuck did I'm Mary
Starting point is 00:26:01 and I see a lot personal, it's it's like these figures that, how you want you're how you want to
Starting point is 00:26:09 let mepice for that we it's seen in aline and all right and sometimes it's actually it's transformed
Starting point is 00:26:14 in film At the time, you know, like the fiction on the social, but, you know, the sketch, it's always been something that has always been popular on the social, it's sure that's more humoristic, but it can be also dramatic, so to create these universe
Starting point is 00:26:27 condensate, these characters condensate, that, it's sure, it's at all the time, it's all over on internet, and it's what, let's see, who, met, who has been quite working with the humorists in Quebec, but could function in a nature dramatic.
Starting point is 00:26:38 So, thanks for your question, Susan. Thank you, Susan. We'll react to take of Esther, of Yassin, back-to-back, we've decided to be together, because we found out because we thought that
Starting point is 00:26:48 the proposal were all. Ah, yeah, okay, okay. Okay. Monty, it's that I think I think the users are
Starting point is 00:26:56 often for their behavior toxic, misogine, and a little obsessional, will be position, like being being a person
Starting point is 00:27:03 who are a critic objective of these influencers that, without to make create these patterns
Starting point is 00:27:09 and these people, they're their own own them denounce. So, so often, the passioner who serve
Starting point is 00:27:13 right. It's the page that's extremely misogine or the most of the people who
Starting point is 00:27:18 are victims of the women, and these pages that they're going to tritke the appearance,
Starting point is 00:27:24 the abimement, the poe, the churgy that are made or not made, we'll speculate on the
Starting point is 00:27:30 appearance, and also we'll remet on question the parentality of certain.
Starting point is 00:27:34 And I think that we don't not that on the other so it's very rare
Starting point is 00:27:36 that have these men have these pages these pages these pages these pages
Starting point is 00:27:40 that come blue the line between to be an hitter or a fan because they're
Starting point is 00:27:44 going to see these people like a same type of a fan who's the idol or the person that he'll
Starting point is 00:27:48 thank you know and then we're okay, hello monier, I'm very much the podcast and your other project,
Starting point is 00:27:54 thank you for all the question, I'm going to the textos web are dominated by a very little
Starting point is 00:28:00 minority of users. Is it you think that's true? What are the applications? I have
Starting point is 00:28:05 two observations to apply this test. The first me've beenue when I'm asked me me can't see
Starting point is 00:28:08 the streamers on live. And I'm I've gotten to know that it was a group, proletive-notive-on-while, who'd recorded their live and reposted the clips of the viewers. It's only a cause, or grace, to these power users that the people
Starting point is 00:28:18 know who are, by example, speed, and assage. I've been in a second observation, which is that in the different spheres of Twitter that I frequent, I've found, I'll re-posts and we'll re-posts. We'll see, don't know,
Starting point is 00:28:28 with a minority of people who, who, has been a lot on the discourse percied by the majority of the people who, they, do you want to work. Again, once, thank you for your job, and I'll just say,
Starting point is 00:28:36 a great day. Thank, Yassine. Hey, I'll just reactire really rapidly to take of Esther, yeah, we're just we're doing because I think
Starting point is 00:28:44 they're going to because I think that's what I'm that's what I'm that's the reason in the there's like a relation
Starting point is 00:28:51 intimate, finally, that's the person who, you know, the person who, you know, that's execre because
Starting point is 00:28:57 that finally that person that's finished by occupy his psyche quite relatively often in the so there's
Starting point is 00:29:04 like, you know, there's a there an intimity who, at the same type that could exist if you're a stan of this person and that you make to think
Starting point is 00:29:11 to often to her. On Quebec, on Reddit, there's not really of snark dedicated to one person. A snark, it's like a page of potting,
Starting point is 00:29:22 but often it's some potten a little bit like critiques, how we could say snark, it's a contraction of two words
Starting point is 00:29:29 that's issued of snide for sarcasm and of remark for comment. And so, in Quebec, it's like
Starting point is 00:29:35 more some of the babiore like generalised so in the phone we snark all the creators on our influence Quebec
Starting point is 00:29:42 or snorke influence Quebec or or causeery less on causeery it's like more desir to the culture, I think what's
Starting point is 00:29:50 we're not and it's it's about with the take of Yassin it's at how point these subredit
Starting point is 00:29:55 like particularly in Quebec but not at the more large scale in the more subredit are being
Starting point is 00:30:01 sometimes the same users if you navigate these subredit there take a little the instant to regard the
Starting point is 00:30:06 name of who who he publish and you will realize that often the people are the most invested who comment the
Starting point is 00:30:12 most often, it's not all all the same people. Yes, there are these power user who
Starting point is 00:30:16 control the internet and in fact I have a more more than this, is that I
Starting point is 00:30:23 think that the state of existence that is to be chronically in line I think
Starting point is 00:30:28 it's a step following of the evolution human, it's like those
Starting point is 00:30:33 people chronically online, live not the same experience of the existence than the people who are not
Starting point is 00:30:39 chronically online. And it's they're in fact that they control the discourse that we're going to talk about they're talking about
Starting point is 00:30:47 the comments, who are the first even to commenter because they navigate the subreddit by new or the way
Starting point is 00:30:52 it's like a change of a paradigm to not see, I remember when I started to go to Reddit or Segeb
Starting point is 00:31:00 I'm like oh yeah I'm I'm sure I'm just the top common, but I want, I want to make
Starting point is 00:31:04 part of the people who decide what's the top comment. I want to have a
Starting point is 00:31:09 power. Is that you consider it like a top user? So Reddit, I'm a lekeur. I'm,
Starting point is 00:31:14 I post not on Reddit. On Twitter, for example, I'm still, I'm just, I'm like, I think,
Starting point is 00:31:19 really, this state that, to be chronically on-line, I'm still envisaged like,
Starting point is 00:31:24 just a other state of existence. I think it has nothing with just not being on-
Starting point is 00:31:29 being, to be passively, to watch the IG wheels before What is your friends have you envoyed? I mean, I think to have this rapport with the internet,
Starting point is 00:31:38 it's like I'll intervie maybe as to be the future, is it's possible? I'm wondering at what? At what's the point it's a gross proportion of the population? Like, I'm really,
Starting point is 00:31:47 they're who, they consume these streamers, but it's also they're who who can't obsessional by a part to that, and that we're going to be like these trop misogene
Starting point is 00:31:56 that will be repeated or, like, but, you know, what's interesting, is that on Reddit, in Quebec, in the case, what I see what I see
Starting point is 00:32:04 these subbeds, is that it's a lot of, you know, they're in how much they're in their message, and it's often they're like the plus to detestate
Starting point is 00:32:11 Alicia Mofet, by example. So, there's like all this rapport or to detest the mom, fointu, to talk to
Starting point is 00:32:16 their rapport to their report to expose their children on internet. You know, it's a perspective that is
Starting point is 00:32:21 kind of feminine. But the misogynies, it's something that's something that's something is something that
Starting point is 00:32:26 I'm not say, I'm not just interesting to remark it's interesting to remarked this. Yeah, the first it was the snark page
Starting point is 00:32:34 of Wheelchair Rapunzel who is like a creator of American who is attained of a life, that's in she's in
Starting point is 00:32:44 house, and she was also active on OnlyFans, and then she had been a baby. So this snark
Starting point is 00:32:52 I don't know how many there's an user but at the time where I consulted, there had
Starting point is 00:32:57 about 15,000 users who published several times per days, even several times
Starting point is 00:33:03 per hour, and particularly when they they published she was in a video or a photo on a
Starting point is 00:33:09 of his count, it's sure that someone would be able to the snark. And I
Starting point is 00:33:13 thought that was that it was that it created literally of the community where you
Starting point is 00:33:18 felt like the people were people was made anonymous, but at the
Starting point is 00:33:22 commentator of the snorke there, he developed there, and I said,
Starting point is 00:33:27 the, the socialability, you, we're reunies, sometimes on the basis of
Starting point is 00:33:32 an love for something it's like it's probably for a group of music for the
Starting point is 00:33:38 fans of a group of music but the hate also, it's federator
Starting point is 00:33:42 and it's like it's like it was a on an hostility partaged. So often,
Starting point is 00:33:49 I've talked of the mid of the victim perfect, but clearly wheelchair
Starting point is 00:33:53 Rapunzel, there's there's there's a thing that has made that I'm not
Starting point is 00:33:55 too of course so it's like they used it for justifi
Starting point is 00:34:00 morally, all the other remarks that were very sexist, hyper misogine, hyper putofofeb, hyper capacitist. In the fact,
Starting point is 00:34:08 it's a victim also, Wilcher Opensel of all, of these remarks, of this inne that, and it's important
Starting point is 00:34:14 to see, she's important to see, it's the end of this episode of the Lings Overte of CafeSnick.
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