café snake - Osheaga dans un rabbit hole d’homard

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

On suit Daphné dans un rabbit hole numérique, d'une vidéo de bébé homard jusqu'à la compensation carbone. On discute aussi de l'évolution d'Osheaga et de l'impact des festivals sur la culture pop. Musk ou peupler la planète sans faire famille, Azealia Banks, la gastronomie de contenu, Star Académie, la confrontation des 4 nations +++Notre Patreon: patreon.com/cafesnakeDigi Mix:Jean Leloup - Balade à TorontoSylvie Rancourt: https://www.tiktok.com/@melody.rancourt/video/7473652081086303493?lang=enVive le Québec: https://www.tiktok.com/@martinlecatholique/video/7473561170255858949?lang=enLewislefou : twitch.tv/lewislefouTrump Pfizer: https://www.tiktok.com/@dailymail/video/7473618522439208238?lang=en Bhad Bhaby diss track: https://www.tiktok.com/@bhadbhabie/video/7473251930597526830Kinji00 : https://open.spotify.com/intl-fr/artist/19GYu85T8PlAbWVKKSDWFF?si=a5ZczjxkRl6C_2by7ZqzngUne vedette américaine veut l’indépendance du Québec : https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2025/02/23/une-vedette-americaine-veut-lindependance-du-quebecPublication initiale:  https://www.instagram.com/forevergreen.earth/reel/DF8Zz_zJeUc/That One Song From TikTok, Daily Dothttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sffWQYjR-TQ&t=76sThe National Lobster Hatchery: https://nationallobsterhatchery.co.uk/Pourquoi les animaux mignons triomphent-ils sur le web ?, La Presse, Daphné B.https://www.lapresse.ca/societe/chroniques/2024-10-06/culture-web/pourquoi-les-animaux-mignons-triomphent-ils-sur-le-web.php

The next day... Good morning... de la la la la la la... Yo, it's my nose. I think I'm gonna write it on my social media accounts on Twitter. I'm gonna say, yo, can we set up a meeting? Hello, it's Daphne. Oh, I forgot, I watched a black movie about a bear.

Plus, it was really frustrating. I don't watch that movie. It's Café Snake. Good morning... de la la la la la la... Hello, everyone. Hello everyone! Yoo! Café Sling number 31 today, welcome everyone! Thanks for listening!

I want to remind you that 1 episode out of 2 is available only on our Patreon, so the link is in the description if you want to subscribe and support this independent company called Café Sling. Daphne, what are you going to talk about today? Today I'm going to talk about environment, but I'm bringing you with me in a rabbit hole that starts with a cute animal publication, a dead baby, and ends with a system called carbon compensation. The scam of the dead baby. And what are you going to talk about?

In honor of Ushaga who released their program for their festival this summer, we're going to do a kind of overview of the festival's status, what the festivals mean, and how we can analyze these schedules to see where the Zeitgeist is. Like in the Snake Cafe. Ok, the air of the time. And before long, the Diddy News. Tadadoum! Long live Quebec! Good evening. It's been a week since I left because I wasn't sure I would come back. Then when I looked at my phone, I was at 40 people, so I said to myself,

if you're ready to encourage, thank you for being there. I'll see you when you have a little bit. Today, the smoke of a fire Yellowed the sky and the sun rose The stars in the north remind us of death And you still call me You were sleeping on the bench While I was driving and I hope never to arrive

Look, the stars So he looks forward to watching the game tonight I was driving and I hope never to arrive Look The stars He looks forward to watching the game tonight and we look forward to the United States beating our soon to be 51st state Canada No way she said that! Bro what the fuck! Rage baiting level 1 But it's crazy to know that I live in a world

that even the elite rage, even the world elite of the great businessmen. Thank you, Albert. Thank you. I'm tormented by not having understood Wait, wait, I have something to tell you Heyo Kinji! What do you think of a third referendum? Let's say it to the third referendum! I'm going to start with a news item that I wanted to inflate. I named it, Elon Musk, populate the planet without making it a family. It's sure that I don't want to go so far about Musk because there's a lot of information and I think the goal in there, from Musk, Trump, the administration, is to drown the news a little. And in a new tsunami, we ended up only talking about that.

I thought it was relevant to talk about his relationship to natality. He puts forward, like several other conservatives in Silicon Valley, a pro-natalist ideology. And I had already talked about that in Radio-Canada last year. You will absolutely be happier if you have kids. Absolutely. We're literally, we've evolved to have that, as all creatures have. Their credo is to have babies to save the world. Literally because they put forward that if we stop having children, our civilization

could disappear. But when we talk about civilization, we often talk about Westerners. We talk about ethnicity more than civilization. Exactly, so of the whites. In fact, it still has some kinship with the theory of the Great Replacement. But it mostly goes with other ideologies, especially

Singularitarism. I saw this morning a lot of tweets about Singularity. And especially Eugenism, which is subject to all of this. And I've often talked about this. Eugenism is an ideology that literally crosses the real test movement. The real test, which is a kind of acronym, gathers several currents of thought that are in vogue in Silicon Valley in particular.

He would have 13 children that we know, maybe more, but that's it, I have the impression that his idea of populating the planet does not equal making families, making communities, we could say. It has nothing to do with care. Even rumors that have been related in the Rolling Stone, like in soups with friends, he literally offered his sperm. So it's a vision that I find very instrumental of the child. The child becomes a means to reach an end, it's not an end in itself. There is something dehumanizing in this speech, and we should be very careful. And then, this week, we saw Grimes,

who was in a state of panic, in the kind of state where she was, at least, in a state of panic in court regarding the custody of her children with Elon Musk. She tried to reach out to her ex via Twitter, because he didn't respond in another way. And then she talked about medical emergency, a medical emergency that would concern one of their children and a girl who wasn't able to answer that.

While he was sitting there, talking about, I have become meme. So many things that happen at the same time. I often find tiktoks of his trans daughter, Vivian. Vivian Jenna Wilson, who said in an interview that his father was an absent and even cruel father. This week, there is also the conservative influencer Ashley Sinclair, who declared to be the mother of the 13th child of Musk and who would have even started a lawsuit or at least a legal action to get custody of her child and even to make Musk's paternity recognized. We say in the details, and this has been re-labeled, especially the first time, the first journalist to talk about it,

is Taylor Lawrence in her user mag newsletter. So she says that Musk would never have asked to have her child, he would never have communicated deliberately to have news of this child, he would never have asked for photos of the child and he would have met him a total of three times. And then we even had access to screenshots of conversations, text exchanges between Ashley Sinclair, this influencer who would have had a child with Elon Musk and Elon Musk, who says, well listen, I can't put my name on the birth certificate because I am one of the men after Trump who is the most in danger on the planet. We literally want to kill ourselves. So if I do that, I'm going to put our child's life in danger. And I found it interesting

this way of using-called vulnerability, when you're literally the richest man in the world, to not have legal obligations towards a child. Not only that, but at the same time, to parading one of his children in a lot of political meetings, especially at the Oval Office, we saw Elon Musk with the little X, who was getting his nose dirty.

And who was going to kill Trump. There is really a double standard. Men succeed in putting their vulnerability on the scene, while they are literally the richest man in the world at the moment. For him, the parenting doesn't seem to be a commitment, it doesn't seem to be an experience we live to create links, to create a community, or to give care. It's really a genetic heritage matter. Even a conditional link. Between him and, for example, his trans daughter, the contacts have been broken. According to him, in his eyes, his child is dead. It's not even a link that is inviolable. Always in relation to the

genetic thing, it is also noted that Elon Musk, his children, at least most of his children, he had them through assisted procreation. So still an approach that allows in fact to select particular genes, for example, do you want a guy vs a girl? And that's what's worrying because it has a potential to pour into the eugenics. Because we select the genetic facets of the embryo. There's a movie that's really cool in Silicon Valley, I think it's called Gattaca, 1997. It's a movie about the future, where everyone is born by the fertilization of a vitro, and everyone is the optimal version of themselves. It's like a kind of dystopia or utopia, depending on the point of view. So that's all I had to say about it.

So the next topic I'm going to talk about is really going to go fast, but it's simply a subject that has been interesting to me for a while, and I think I'll elaborate it, dig it. For now, I don't have much of a lead, so I'm going to talk about it now. If you have ideas or leads to suggest, you can write to me. It can be on the Patreon in the comments or in another way. Because on my TikTok feed, I constantly come across ASMR tasting. From people who either eat candy filled with wax, so obviously we don't eat wax, it doesn't work, it sticks and then it rips. Or what we call silky gems, or gems, it's some kind of crystal filled with wax, again, that are crunchy and that are like

coated with a layer of gelatin, a gelatin that would be like dry. I swear, it's a video on, at least a video on 10, of someone who eats these candies that have a pretty satisfying crunch, so I'm going to put an extract. I spent $116 on wax candy. This is Oodles wax candy, they're extremely popular all over TikTok right now. Homemade wax candy cupcake. Wow. Let's try it. Oh wow.

develop a gastronomy of content because it's a gastronomy that flourishes according to the content that it can potentially produce. And it's not candies that are cheap. There we see people who are starting to make their own wax candies, but for example the company I hear the most about on TikTok is a company called Oodle, which wants to sell for example three big wax candies for more than $100. I have the impression like when you buy these candies, you're still in the speculative economy, you're in a speculative attitude because you think, well yes, I'm going to pay the money to eat, to experience these candies, but it's going to bring me back because I'm going to attract engagement, I'm going to get involved in this trend, and it's like a way to put a little bit on his TikTok account, his personality. So that's it, it's not even candy that looks delicious actually.

Most of the time when I go on Reddit to try to find more info on it, everyone tells me or everyone writes, it tastes like shit. There are plenty of clues to explore, I even feel like sometimes it's... it's a kind of hidden food disorder. But that's it, I just wanted to throw that into the universe. And if you have anything to tell me or if you want to bounce back on it, write to me. This week, what happened that is still amazing. It's funny that in three episodes, we've talked about her twice, but Azealia Banks,

who is an American singer, who's known mainly for a song called 212, which is really good, I love this song. It's like a house rap or electronic music that was very famous in queer culture, especially in the 2010s. But now she's on a decline musically, and she's renewed as a rage-bater or like... Twitter personality. Twitter personality who constantly comments on... Not just on Twitter, but on Instagram too. She constantly comments on pop culture.

She's drawn this character of a connoisseur, of a critical thinker, who has a taste in the high art. That's why people listen to her takes on Beyoncé for example, or on whatever pop culture news. But she decided she was a Souranist when she tweeted, Quebec should really be its own country to be honest. So Quebec should be a country honestly. Well I'm going to add a nuance here, she was replying to another tweet, a quote tweet where there are Canadians who were trolling this imperialist idea of the United States

to annex Canada and he was doing a kind of counter exercise. He was proposing to some Canadian provinces to annex some American states. And she was like, jump on the trend. That's it, a little series of tweets, because it all started like a week and a half ago where she tweeted that Quebec was the best place in Canada, that it was the only place that had a distinct culture. And it's funny because Daphne and I talked about it...

We didn't even talk about it on Twitter, I talked about it on Twitter. I talked about it on Insta. On Insta, that's it. And then, as we gave both quotes to an article from the Montreal Journal, I just wanted to say that I personally made it for the meme. I thought that if Azealia falls on this article, it's funny that we talk shit about her in the article. It's like it's going around in the Quebec's sovereignist sphere. There's even Pascal Biroubet, a deputy of the Parti Québécois, who posted on his Instagram.

There's no idea. It's funny, in the article of the Journal Amoural, she's doing all her lore. It's like the infamous video of her who deters a dead cat. It's like it's really classics. But she still lived in Montreal. There was a moment in the story, in the lore of Azalea Banks where she was locked up in the mansion at Musk's. And she waited for days to collaborate or do something with Grindz without success.

And she started tweeting in a really compulsive way. And that's like in the annals of the internet. It created a story that was also staged in a theatrical wayulsive way. And that's like in the internet analysis, it created a story that was actually staged in a theatrical way here in Montreal. When you went to see a show, it was inspired by Shakespeare so it was all written in green. I wanted to link that to the story of

Azalea Banks, now in Sovereignism, because we have Kinji and Azalea Banks. With all the Canadian fervour and anti-American that developed with the NHL 4 Nations confrontation Which I find interesting because hockey is really crossing the line trying to take market share in the US And this effort to replace the star game by a confrontation of the nations has paid off I think When you go deeper into the reason why the national league does this

It's because at the base they created this kind of tournament because they wanted to steal market share from the olympics. They tried to reproduce what's happening with the nationalist fervour around the olympics. And also around the soccer world cup. They wanted to bypass the IHF, which is the equivalent of FIFA. And create a private company that will put on stage national confrontations. I think it's ironic. I liked the tournament, I like it because we beat the Americans. But I prefer it to be done in the context of international organizations like the IHF or the FIFA or the Olympics. They organize tournaments instead of a company like the National Ducky League organizing a tournament.

I understand that they managed to have all the best players but at one point the. The idea was to get the players from the national league out of the Olympic tournament to get them to play in this tournament. But I liked that Connor McDavid, all along the tournament, who is the best player in Canada, put forward that this tournament was not a real tournament, that it was just a show and that it was fun, but that it had Olympic cars. All the speeches around that, I think that Justin started,

it's funny at the same time that he was fired, but his tweet that he tweet after we fought the US where he said you can't take our country, you can't take our sport it was lame a little, I would have been even more dirty but after the worst... You would have been dirty? What would you have said? I would have said fuck the US Mark Carney who makes the most cringe tweet ever after the Mcdavid video

who invented a nickname for Mcdavid called McDee when nobody calls him tomorrow it just looks like the person who wants to do I only know hockey but there is no idea who Conor Mcdavid is so yeah let's go McDee his nickname is McJesus

it's not like McDee you see when the police try to have the a down with the people and it's just a mess. It's totally out of date. What happens with Azela Banks? That's what I said in the article and Daphne doesn't find it funny. Read the extracts of what she said about Quebec. The rest of that doesn't have a strong enough cultural identity to really mean anything to be honest.

Let Quebec be independent and y'all just become states. You guys have maple syrup on your country flag and even the maple syrup comes from Quebec. Like bro stop trying to make Canada a thing, it's really not a real thing LMAO. So that was it. What I wanted to say is that this kind of manifestation will continue to happen. Like when Sunris tweets for the liberation of Quebec. By the way, there was a shoutout in Quebec in the White Lotus, the TV series on HBO. So it's like Quebec Mentioned. There's something in the air, feel it.

So, Daphne, your segment? Yes, so I called my segment Rabbit Hole Carbon. My segment is a bit tied to my media consumption at the end of the evening when I smoke a little bit of pot just to help me sleep. So it's really very participatory as a consumption, but it happens to me when I smoke pot to fall into rabbit holes where I put to dig endlessly a content that is after my board really banal. That's what I'm going to dig into a content that is, after my board, really banal. That's what I'm going to do with you today if I'm going to retrace one of my rabbit holes.

It all starts with an Instagram post from Animal Cute, as I said. In this case, it was a dead baby. We see a microscopic dead baby who is released into the water by a human and who seems to be writing cute little cute little cuties. There is a little fantasy sound track that plays it's a TikTok sound that's quite popular, and we're going to play it right now. I went to see a Daily Dut's publication on YouTube, which makes segments called That One Song from TikTok,

and they're really going to do a deep dive to understand the origin of the popular song on the TikTok app. And then we explain a little bit the genealogy of She Was a Fairy. It's two mixed sounds together, including an extract from the Disney movie Malifika, which was released in 2014, and an instrumental song from 2009 created by Sparky Death Cab. And mix of the two sounds was used on TikTok at the beginning, was used by people who pretended to be fairies, by putting on stage, floating in the air. Then it was used to accompany some kind of Frankenstein dolls that people made with all kinds of recycled items, cut Barbie dolls that floated in the air at the end of ropes.

And that's what the journalist describes as highly creative ways to showcase their own version of what a fairy looks like, including of course modified Barbie fairies. A dead baby can also be a fairy. And it's an interpretation that sticks to the meme because we feel that in the video, the animal literally looks like it's floating in the water because it describes little quills, and we really have the impression that there is a lot of joy in finally finding its freedom.

The water is really transparent. That's it, it was in a kind of small capsule, and now it's really set free. Is it really happy to regain its freedom? Because several people in the comments say that Bro's dead. He's dead. I'm not sure. That if the baby died, it looks so fake, it's because it's actually a baby's carcass and not a living baby, basically.

That's why he describes the skulls, because there's no more control over his body. I carry my carcass in the streets of the city Like a dead body hidden So there I put an extract of Jean Leloup that we also put in our DJ mix, simply because it's a nod to the fact that Jean Leloup seems to have won by committing to TikTok for a few weeks, and that would be parallel, in our opinion, to a rise of nationalism in Gen Z. It is what it is!

Which makes the video, I think, of the little dead man, it's the kind of contradiction between the fact that he looks either dead or finally free and able to savour his freedom, which is not mutually exclusive, he could be free and dead. Anachronistic! It's a publication that works well on Instagram. And I even saw a girl in the people I follow on Instagram share it. I'm not the only one to fall for it. The page that publishes this video is forevergreen.earth and it accompanies the publication of a legend.

And there she says some scientific information about marine biology, and she tells us that it is one of the smallest species of homoarch that is commonly called, and then it is written in English, of course, the Pégimie locust lobster. And the final paragraph, and then I translated it with pearls, it says, For ever, Gréin is committed to promoting awareness of marine biodiversity and the importance of conservation of the smallest inhabitants of our oceans. Follow us to learn more about the fascinating world of marine life and learn how you can support conservation efforts. Click on the link in our bio to get involved. Comment FG to register on the waiting list for our application.

The idea of ​​an animal that is out to promote an application, that's what got me thinking. But I admit, I was a little puzzled, and it gave me the urge to investigate. Because when I hear application, I immediately think of Techbro. When I hear Techbro, I mean capitalism. I don't mean biodiversity, invention,

or even science. I literally just hear Gling-Gling. I just wanted to say, I don't think that are drawings that are explicitly evil behind all of this, even behind the app. But I also notice that the entirety of the page for Evergreen is populated with videos of animals that have been recovered a little bit everywhere on the web. So it's not the creation of original content, it's really images, videos of nature that have been captured and

republished. And there's even imagery generated by artificial intelligence. And me, since I'm the kind of ecological varnish that comes off the page and find it so weird that we use AI, because the generative AI, we know it's harmful for the planet, that it uses a lot of energy. And later, when I realized that the little explanatory text that explains what kind of microscopic homo is, well, it's just bullshit. It's just a simulacrum of educational content. What we see is not a locus-lobster pygmy, but a baby homo. Probably dead.

Ordinary. Average. Probably dead. Ordinary. Average. Normie. By doing my research, I realized that it wasn't a pigmy locus lobster, especially because there were front claws and his body wasn't flattened. And the original video comes from a tiktok account of a British resort called Endra Holidays, which deals with a British marine organization called

the National Lobster Hatchery. This organization releases dead babies in nature and the organization has a relatively legit 31,000 subscribers and a website where you can adopt dead babies. I'll tell you that I recently adopted a dead baby in your name. Really? Yes. Did you pay? Yes. What's that on your wallet?

Yes. So what's happening with him? Well, we have a killer code to save his evolution and I called him Petit Chou. Oh my God! That's to say that the content of cute animals is something that is easily circulating on the web, which generates a lot of engagement and which can obviously be instrumentalized, which seems to be the case with Forever Green Point Art. That's what interests me, among other things.

I named this phenomenon the animal baiting, like the rage baiting. But it's cute baiting. Yeah, well, we've already blown the subject it in the cafe when we talked about penguins, our love for penguins, and how we sent each other videos of penguins, pictures of penguins, and in the end, we always came across content of penguins that brought us cheap merchandise to the penguins' figs. It's even the name of a tear on our Patreon. Yeah, if you want to subscribe to our Patreon, Penguin Dropshippee, the place to be.

I even wrote an article in the press that I will put in the notes of the episode called Why cute animals triumph on the web? Like other animal babies, Homer participates in what several researchers call the economy of the cute. It's an economy that is mostly visual and that involves the creation, the circulation of image in a market where attention is taken. I'm quoting myself, but I'm going to read what I've already written. The cute subject, because of its very juvenile nature, is perceived as vulnerable and it then creates a relationship-based link

based on care and empathy. So when I send you a homo, it's like a way to make a sign, I care for you, basically. And there's something to say about that, because animal imagery on the web is also considered a bit neutral politically. It's rich, sometimes like in a tampon zone,

by sending cute animals like that. It's like if you could take a break, breathe. Because there is also her counterbalance, there is the economy of dangerous animals. Someone like Joe Rogan who spends his time listening to bear videos, it's like a meme, because he thinks that bears are the most dangerous animals. So he's always going to say, have you seen this video of this bear doing this? Of this bear doing that? So there's also the danger economy, the animalism that exists. Yeah, but that's what I was going to say, ecology itself, it can really... It's nonetheless the laws or the legal framework of

businesses and all that. It's a subject that can be adopted both on the right and on the left, especially when nature is summed up to images of cute animals. In the episode where we talked about the 3-hour interview with Donald Trump and Joe Rogan, and in that interview, he literally says that he feels for whales, and that he has always wanted to be a whale psychiatrist. There's also that that can be staged, no matter your political allegiance. It's like a statu quo, but it's also something that's not debated. The kind of quote that I've heard, like, everyone wants to save whales while we trample dead bodies on our streets.

There's this meme that was a lot around Palestine, if you really want to react, let's say, the liberal women Women show their dogs that are being mistreated in Gaza. And the world sees them as images of a dog living suffering. It's more emotional. I have some people who are human. Ecology is also a theme that was instrumentalized by Musk. Especially with all his story of saving the world with electric cars but also natalism. So it's not necessarily the idea of saving the world or protecting the planet or the whales or the dead babies that are controversial, but it's mostly how we frame the threat to fight and the means to fight against it that will change depending on your allergies. For some researchers,

as I explain in my article, the circulation of cute images also presents itself as a way to make the web, which can be hostile, a space, a place that is more habitable. But now, let's go back to my rabbit hole. My notes on this are a bit all over the place, but by searching on forevergreen.earth, I realize that this page, Instagram, which is said to be an organization for the preservation of the environment, is linked to a company, more precisely a start-up, or a young push in French, which is managed by three boys, Jack Pearson, Joe Pearson, so two brothers, and Zach Yardley, literally three Americans who are about 21 years old. It's really 3 young young young boys. Basically, I see this page, this company as a kind of student project that is not necessarily ill-intentioned, but I was like, ah it's interesting to see how these 3 boys see ecology. They are representatives of the Gen Z, I'm not part of it. And they often say that the Gen Z are super engaged in the environment, that it is one of their number one priority topics. But I also saw through this project that for them,

ecology is not necessarily something that opposes capitalism. If we go to their website, it says that the foundation of their Forever Green is based on a simple mission, that is to say, make climate action easy and accessible to everyone. And what does the app do that wants to sell us? Well, it allows people, companies, at least people, to calculate their carbon footprint and after that it offers us a way to get rid of this footprint, so to get rid of our guilt by buying carbon credits. This kind of company acts like a middleman. It's like a courtier between me and the thing I buy to have good conscience. I don't think it's

something new. No, but especially at the scale of a company, carbon credits are even mandatory in certain jurisdictions for companies that will want to reach carbon neutrality. That's it. It's the first time I've been interested in this in a more obsessive way, let's say. We sell this as something that allows us to balance our negative impact on the environment, the world. So we're going to buy carbon credits through the Forever Green intermediary, for example. And they tell us that these carbon credits support environmental projects that are verified, that reduce, eliminate and actively prevent CO2 emissions. All this phenomenon is called carbon compensation.

For example, I am a company in Quebec and I decide to modify my heating system to save energy. So, use less electricity, which will make me generate carbon credits. And these credits, I can sell them on a secondary market, and they can be bought by another company, which, on the contrary, does not modify its heating system and therefore generates a lot of pollution. And in these markets, credits are really treated as commodities or shares, and their price will fluctuate depending on the supply and demand.

It makes me think, and I'm sure I'm not the first to make this parallel, but to what we called the trade of indulgences within the Catholic Church. You heard about it. So that's it, we were supporting a sin and we were buying indulgences to be forgiven. So I read Wikipedia, the business of indulgences was the trigger of the protestant reform. At a time when there was the development of the print shops and people could read directly the bible and criticize some of these interpretations that were proposed to them. So we say that the indulgences business developed at the

end of the 15th century. They say that the bands ofence trade developed at the end of the 15th century. They say that the mercenary gangs slaughter the weakest, killing a lot of people. And then they buy their way into paradise through the indugences. So they paid. Literally like credit cards. What's interesting is that this operation deals with many middlemen. So if I buy a credit card at Forever Green, on the application of the little boys, they will buy their credit card at another middleman. I often have the impression

that the economy of applications is a middleman economy. It doesn't produce anything in itself, but it acts more like a tenant. So we rent a space where we will pay a rent or pay a tax to have access to services. So we buy a carbon credit to Forever Green, who buys it from another company, who buys it from another company, and so on. And every time we pass a middleman, the middleman makes a cost. And in the middlemen, which are used by the three little boys from Forever Green, there is the Quebec Sustainable Community Project. Have you heard of it? No.

Me neither. While doing research, this project belongs to a Quebec company in Belle-Eye called Solution Will. A weird business that seems to sell online NFTs in of an NFT online and who is a private company. Seriously, it was really difficult when I got to this level of work to just understand what I was reading. I wanted to know what the Quebec Sustainable Community Project was, and I came across a paragraph, really it was verbatim in the GPT chat. The Quebec Sustainable Collective Project is a global initiative aimed at improving energy efficiency and the re-increasing of solid waste in various facilities in the

province of Quebec. By relying on a consolidated system of monitoring and data-based technologies of information and communication, this project allows to effectively quantify emissions reductions, by aligning itself with the best practices in the field of sustainable development. So what is a sustainable collectivity? Is it sustainable development, mimified, remixed? What does it mean to improve the re-increasing of solid waste? Re-increasing where exactly? And if we improve the re-increasing, does that just mean that we make their expulsion faster in a lake? It could mean that.

We're saying that we're relying on a consolidated system of following the databases. We're in the universe of data, but it doesn't tell us anything. We don't know. Information and communication technology. Did you mean that you use the courriel to talk to you? It's fucking vague. It's really a good example's a good example of corporate text that is produced by artificial intelligence, chatjpt. On the website, we even say that the project aims to group up to 10,000 client facilities, which would be part of this sustainable community.

And to potentially achieve a reduction of 22,852,000 tons of CO2 between 2010 and 2020. So that's like, that's your potential goal, but we're in 2025, 5 years later, why are you telling me that your goal is potentially to do this by 2020? This potentiality ended 5 years ago, so it's just dodgy. There must be so much fraud, because in the end, the carbon credit you buy, how do you really check its impact on the environment? And I just came across a recent article published in January 2025 by Kone, Kone & Cola Pinto, which is an international law firm specialized in the fight against corruption and the right to alert launchers. And there was a whole paper that was designed for carbon-related fraud. And there they tell us that there are several companies that will decide to buy, as they say,

carbon credits because it's something that costs less than finally reforming their entire business model to be really sustainable, to really be better for the environment. And that there are also many scams that exploit the increased demand for climate solutions of this type and that, for example, offer carbon credits that do not represent real emissions reductions or that overestimate their environmental impact. Essentially, carbon compensation is a mechanism that allows people, organizations and especially companies,, organizations and companies to consider themselves neutral in terms of carbon. But it also allows them to crack down on the carbon market to improve their environmental score and attract investors who are concerned about their environmental footprint. So it's really greenwashing. The company of the three boys was also dealing with a tree planting thing, and that's something that was still raised in question, especially by Greenpeace, but they say, you know, reforestation, yes, but when we talk about it for carbon crisis, it's still a bit ambiguous because there is a really big temporal shift between the time when pollution is released in the atmosphere

and the time it takes for your tree to compensate for it. It's also a question of variety. When you plant new trees, yes, okay, but in a real biodiversity, there are several tree essences. Sometimes, tree planting projects have planting projects, for example, for the impoverishment of biodiversity. So it's not necessarily good for the planet. Anyway, that's my deep dive, my rabbit hole. If we want to see how the agendas, or at least those three boys, envisage the environment, it's interesting to see how it becomes an argument

to sell rather than a goal to realize. It's the kind of theory that Mark Carney, his specialty, the potential of future prime minister of Canada, is this idea that to fight climate change, you have to find a way to make it profitable. Green capitalism or something like that. Wicomni is literally its specialty. Well, I didn't know. Thanks for teaching me. Let's continue to be on the lookout. Smoking cannabis. You, Munir, what did you want to talk about?

Well, I know. I don't know. I wanted to talk about Cheaga, but just festivals in general. Because Chiaga's lineup is out. I think I've already talked about festivals in Café Snake. I had some flashbacks of doing the notes of this segment. I'm like, have I already talked about it? But I think I've talked about it vaguely at some point. I think music festivals are really interesting to study

to understand our time, the changes through the years. And just understand pop culture. I think it's really important to talk about through music festivals because when you analyze the evolution of Shaga's lineups from 2015 to now in the last 10 years, you can still trace clear trends. First of all, specifically to talk about Shaga, I think they are facing a new golden age. I think Shaga's most beautiful years are in front of them. I read in the comments below the video, everyone was like, this is a bad line up, this is a bad line up.

I wouldn't think so, I think it's a good line up that is in phase with all the other line ups, whether it's Coachella or Lollapalooza. You know, Olivia Rodrigo has a festival this year, maybe she's releasing an album, but she's not going to tour, definitely. So she's not only doing Ochiaga, but she's doing Coachella, she's doing Lollapalooza, she's going do tournés. She does not only Oceaga, but Coachella, Lollapalooza, she does everything. It's not even unique in Montreal.

When I first saw Olivia Rodrigo, I was like, oh my god, a big pool in Montreal. What I noticed, I don't know if you'll talk about it, is that people say there aren't many Quebec artists in Montreal. Yes, that's it.

I'll talk about it a little bit, but I think this Golden Age that I call Oshaga started if I identified it for myself. And that's really subjective observations. But when Billie Eilish had her headline two years ago, I had rarely seen so much viral content produced by a performance at Oshaga. And Billie Eilish, I think she didn't do festivals as such. So the fact that she did this show, there was a moment with a rapper who came to the stage.

It was very viral. And everything I saw in the comments, thousands of comments on the posts, it was like the who this moment. It's an idea from Drake who says the best moment of a rapper's career is when people ask who I hear. So when a song plays, it's like who is this?

That's like the moment when you know that you're in a kind of effervescence. So when everyone song plays, it's like, who is this? This is like the moment when you know you're in a kind of effervescence. So when everyone wanted to know what this place is, what this Oceaga is. So this year, the headliners are Olivier Rodrigo, Tyler The Creator and The Killers. I think this headliner combination is good for the festival, but it's more because of the other invited artists that I find interesting to see. And I'm going to start with a personal experience. I went to Oceaga only once, it was in Ushaga in 2016.

I went on Saturday. I chose Saturday very specifically because that day I could see rappers all day. I don't like Logic but it started with a Logic show, then a Post Malone show, then a Jazz Quartier show, then a Future show at the same time as Lana Del Rey. I could watch rap all day. Can you believe it? Lana Del Rey missed it. And if I wrote in my notes, I, a 19 year old, at the prime of the American trap, I didn't even have a second to think. I just learned live that it was a show by Lana at the same time.

The Future show was so bad, there were so many people, it wasn't even a good show. The best show of the day was Jazz Carti, who was an artist from Toronto. But anyway, Jazz Carti has been doing love since. It's sad. He could have have a good show. The best show of the day was Jazz Carti who was an artist from Toronto. But anyway, Jazz Carti has been a fell off since. It's sad. He could have a great career. But Drake...

He's all about Drake. Drake can't have bigger artists than him in Toronto. Through the artists from Aga Book, we can find all the other artists from the big festivals this year. Gracie Abrams, Arthémas, Shabouzy. They're pretty much on all the lineups of all the festivals. So I think there's some sort of order that's set up. Shabuzi, they are not bad on all the lineups of all the festivals. I think there is a kind of order that is set up of what are the big festivals in America

I could name them there. There is like Coachella, Lollapalooza, Goffball in New York, Oshaga in Montreal and there would be maybe like Chem Flog Nog which is like the festival I Tired The Creator. Apart from that, in the big festival season, I think that Oshaga now has its place. That's what I find interesting. Because Montreal, to use a technical term, has a lot of affordances that other cities don't have. And I think that's what contributed in the last two years

that it has become more popular. There is, first, the fact that it is the least expensive city of all these cities to visit. If you compare it with the desert valley in California, Chicago or New York. I think one of the best things about Chagas is the site where the festival is. But it's also one of its strengths because on Saint Helene Island, Parc Jean-Drapeau, there isn't a lot of space. But it's really special to be on the waterfront or to have the live view of the skyline of Montreal during a music festival. For a few years, Eushaaga has been trying to become the moment for the girlie pop. As the double-occupation candidates would say. How I define that is that it wanted to be a cultural moment for pop fans, but especially for female pop.

Is that a girlie pop? Well, for me, it's true. There is no scientific definition. I think they are on the right track. Before, the argument for Echaga was that it was cheaper than other festivals. This year, the ticket for the three days was $415, which is always cheaper than Coachella and Lollapalooza. But especially with the Canadian motto, which is really less... For an American who looks to go to Coachella, especially with our dollar right now, it's a lot more interesting than going. I saw that there was a rise in the cost of the ticket, but it didn't reflect on the employees

of Hush Haga who didn't necessarily have a rise in salary. Yes, because Hush Haga, their employees, and all the people, there are not a lot of people who have... I have friends who worked for it, but because the companies they hire to do like the staff or to do the activations, whatever, they are agencies that hire you for the summer, you go to Oceaga, you go to the Festival Just For Laugh, the Jazz Festival. So it's like the subcontractors that actually, them, Oceaga, the people who work, because also Oceaga, it belongs to the C.H. group, it belongs to Evenco, it belongs to the Canadian Monréal actually.

Ok. All in Montreal. A little bit like the other two. That's it, I think it's a moment for female pop. It's written in a heart-to-heart manner with how female pop dominated last year and the last few years. And the step back from rap.

I think that's what's interesting with Oshaga. We talk a lot that there are no local artists. I saw on the lineup that I recognized Rose who won her album R&B last year. I like their album. But there are surely other kevkos artists that I didn't recognize on the lineup. Before, the main kebab artists that were booked in Ushuaiga were either Charlotte Cardin in Headliner or rappers. You could see several kebab rappers in Ushuaiga.

2 years ago, I think when Raccoon was in Ushuaiga, I think there were rappers like Underground or not so well known, who were booked in Oceaga because they were passing through the record companies of rap in Quebec. But since it's not that anymore, in the middle of the 2010s, they were taking the transition from rap. There was an headline, in 2016 it was Kendrick Lamar who had an headline, in 2015 it was Future with Larrond Del Rey. There was always a day that was dedicated to rap. Not that there was only rap, but that if you were a fan of rap, you could go and just listen to rap shows. And what does it mean that now they are showing off or they are denying this cultural dimension of Quebec, of Montreal? I don't know if it's Quebec, of Montreal, it's just that in the mainstream pop culture in general, rap is no longer its status of grace of the 2010s, its mainstream version is no longer there. It's state of the art of 2010, it's mainstream version is no longer there.

And now it's niche and it's still very popular. They could have created a rap day where it's just going to be rappers that are said to be underground but not really underground, that are very famous, that the day starts with 2Hollis after you have Netspenn, after you have Osomassom, it ends with Ken Carson, who are all rappers who are in the same tone, the same musical flow. It's not necessarily mainstream.

The audiences who like Olivier Rodrigo may not know a single song by Ken Carson, they won't know any of the others. But these rappers have fanbase mostly dedicated young men, who would go to the festival. I think that Hoshage will rebrand itself with a bigger partner, let's say Garage, who will be there and do some activations with a lot of influencers. It's really like a feminine festival in Hoshage. And it's correct. Let's say that Dochi is booked in Hoshage and Tally De Queiroz is booked in Hoshage. These two rappers. But what's interesting with these two rappers is that their majority audience is white.

And it's something that... You know, I love Tyler from Kuiehler. I love Dochi. Well, vaguely. I'm still a Dochi-hater. I love Dochi vaguely. Ok, what does that mean? Well, he's a little manufactured in his success, but it's a big trend nowadays.

People talk about Sid Ochi, he's an industry plant. But his performance at the Grammys was nice. His Tiny Desk was nice too. Whatever. That's it, but these two rappers, they're not the same audience as, let's say, a Future who comes from Atlanta and makes trap music before having a very Caucasian audience. Because when rap became mainstream,

audiences became very Caucasian, but before that, there was a core fanbase in clubs, in strip clubs in Atlanta. Couldn't we think then that people who have a certain executive power at Haga, who make decisions, it must be quite white girlie pop? You know, it's been since lot of white girlie pop. You know, it's been since 2020 that I said that rap is falling off and everyone is like no no no and when I say everyone it's like my brother or my entourage. But there was clearly a decline and last year, and this year we give a rap show at

Superball, I find that Kendrick Lamar and Drake, their beef last year, it really was the sign of rap. But you say that and at the same time, we were talking about what it generates as an engagement, beef, and after that it can be generative even in terms of creativity, you know, to be engaged in a battle. And there is that right now on the internet, on TikTok, where there is the rapper Bad Baby, who is 21 years old, who has been popular since she was 14 years old because she was in a TV reality show. Dr. Phil. Dr. Phil.

And she is... It's a bit of a mess because she was involved in the makeup community, but recently she just had a baby and she had cancer. And then Alabama Barker, who is the daughter of Travis Barker, who is the husband of one of the Kardashians Hey, that's complicated! is supposedly sleeping with him. So Bad Baby and Alabama Barker are in a kind of internet feud. Is it orchestrated, instrumentalized, is it a staging? I don't know.

But it generates a lot of buzz and then Bad Baby, they say she would be out of her retirement, so out of her retirement to produce songs. And then she started producing a song that will be released tonight in antique, we will put it in the news, but that makes people talk. I think the rap battle universe... I'm not saying that hip-hop will never disappear. When I say it's the song of the rap sign as being the genre of music that is most dominant in the world, that's what happened. In the 50 years of hip-hop existence, it it has never been the most popular genre in the US.

That's what happened in 2018. So that's unprecedented. And I personally, in those years, I was like, ok, that's rap, that's what's happening now, it's going to be the dominant genre, it's so good. I was really a fan. And even I find myself listening to more Jean Le Loup than Kendrick Lomar. So even I lost myself. Well, it's like you said... what were you saying? Basically, it can have a positive impact because... Well, that's it. Because rap is re-nichify, it will be underground-ese. It revitalizes itself.

That's it. And there is a new generation of fans who like a new kind of rap. In one of the DJs, we put a song from Netspend or Two Hollis, which was in Montreal, at the Soda club, which filled the club 2-3 weeks ago. And it was all young people from secondary schools in Montreal who were at this show. So yes, the hip hop will never disappear, but it just think that it's the dominant genre of music. I think that even in the big rap media in the US, we don't really address it yet. We're not really aware of it yet. I think Kendrick and Drake's beef was really... It was a real mess. I didn't like it as a rap fan.

I know it was a lot of fun I was having fun at the moment, even in the first episode of Cafe Sneak we did. I think it was the second one, called Certified Pinon. I was saying that I didn't think it was a good thing for rap. And I think that all these festivals that released their programs, because it's like the season that releases their programs, we see that rap has getting bigger and bigger. At AGA, there are rappers in their line up. Big X, Tyler, Dochi, I've seen other rappers but there isn't a day where you go see Post Malone before he blows up or Jazz Cartier who is such a big random pool of someone who knows rap in Ouc Canada to book Jazz Cartier, which is such a big random pool of someone who knows rap in Canada to book Jazz Cartier.

When we are the second, I'm the second who listened to it in Egypt and I'm like, oh my god, he's in Oshua, you know? There's no such feeling, I think. And to talk about festivals in general, they are often called the influencers' olympics. It's crystallized in the 2010s with a generation of Zoomers who grew up following the Coachella Vlogs of their influencers. And even that, there was that in Quebec. And not only with American festivals, but with Quebec festivals. With the old Candidaudés who will again be in Chicago, who will find a brand that will give them two tickets to make a sponsored story. And that really, I think really works in two ways. It does marketing for the festival,

and it does marketing for the influencer, who is like, here I am in the VIP at Oshaga, I am where all the cool people are. But you know, you were talking about affordance, you know what affordance is? In fact, it's like devices in an application, for example, or a platform that will encourage certain behaviors or that will allow certain behaviors, we could talk about the abundance of events or events. And I think that this idea of Get Ready With Me or Outfit, so presentations of your fit for the event, is content that is very social coded. What Coach Haga allows, that's it.

It's like there were several content formats, kind of videos, that we already associated with the event. Because it's an event where we dress outside the ordinary, we will pay attention to our clothes, where it's well seen, where we won't be judged because we dress in a certain divergent way. And that's it, and I find, and you bring up outfits, and that's what I find interesting with Oshieaga, is that their visual identity or stylistic is very close to Coachella. If you look at the outfits, there's not a kind of... I find that Oshieaga fit looks like Coachella fit. And then you have to know, if you know at the outfits, I think the Oceaga fit is very similar to the Oceaga fit.

And you have to know if you know you know, but it's very dreamy. For me, it's all about the cultural appropriation that was put forward, especially through the outfits, the clothes of influencers who arrived with feathers or references. A shaggy one? Yes! It really made me talk a lot for a while. After that, yes, there's the idea of Dreamy, but I also think that it worked well in parallel with fast fashion. Because fast fashion allows you to dress up, to adopt a style that is not necessarily yours in everyday life for one day. And it's like, what are you going to lose for that? What are you going to have to pay?

It's still quite minimal. So it can allow you to buy clothes that are extravagant, exuberant, that you're just going to wear once. You know, the first festivals that really, like in the time of Woodstock, in the 60s, 70s, it was really the big culture of music festivals. And then what happened is that we started to have images of these places. And that's what really increased the place that festivals take in the imagination of young people

wanting to go there when we started to have photos, videos of Woodstock. And I think Coachella is really them who brought it to another level because for almost a decade Coachella has the one who brought it to another level because Coachella has been streaming for almost 10 years now. There is a big deal with YouTube and with music labels so that artists who will do sets at Coachella will be filmed and broadcasted live on YouTube. Everyone can follow Coachella everywhere in the world. And in fact, it makes Coachella become such an influential festival, where people aren't necessarily there for the music, but just to be there.

That an artist like Ice Spice, last year, performed for the camera. Yeah. There's a camera on stage, as it's streamed and represented on another platform. And it becomes the best content, the best image. So they are hot to give to the camera and not to people in the audience. Exactly, that's it. And it's a bit the same thing as with the Superball. When we see images of the Superball, it wasn't necessarily very interesting in the stadium, but it's a performance that is made because it will be mostly consumed

media-wise, on television. So that really increased the popularity of the festivals. And I think Coachella signed a contract with YouTube, it will be on YouTube until 2026 at least. So that's really the edge that Coachella has on all festivals. But I think Oceaga is in the right line. But wouldn't that have transformed our relationship to the show or to the performance of the musical artist if we're just there to be there, just to publish content.

And the artist when she's on stage, she does it in front of the camera. Exactly, but you see that, it plays the game of Oceaga, which I find its branding, it's for the real music lovers who don't want to go to Coachella, and who want to go to Oceaga. I think that the biggest demo of Oceaga soon it's not going to be the west of Ontario or the east of Ontario it's really going to be the United States. I think that's their push.

But is Oceaga streaming or...? No it's Coachella. But Oceaga is positioned as being that's the branding I see on TikTok, that we are the festival for the real music lovers who are in a smaller city, who will still have access to the same great artists as Oceaga. So you kind of distorted the image of Oceaga's brand and how it is positioned compared to other festivals in North America. Yeah, that's it. That's the segment.

I finished my segment. Well, thank you, Mounet. I would have liked to be an artist. Cultural recommendations, well, it's not really... We've decided on this segment. It's not going to be just... If we do it, it's not a segment. We've already mentioned cultural recommendations. We've decided that it's going to be either recommendations or things we've listened to this week.

And Daphne had a lot of exciting recommendations or things we listened to this week. And Daphne had a lot of exciting ideas to share with us on Star Academy. Yes, that's right. Mounir trained me a little in the Star Academy hall. But we really didn't go far. It's a bit like that, we often listen to our shows late on everyone. So we already know that such a person is going to be eliminated and we are not at all in the elimination. But we started listening to Star Academy. And what I found interesting yesterday, is that at the first evaluation where each person performs in front of a judge, are people in danger? It's that the guys are in evaluation this week, it's a week of guys, a week of girls. So the guys are in evaluation this week, and they perform in front of the coaches.

The teachers. The teachers. They told me, I had fun with the terminology of this academy, but I've never seen that for real. So there, all the teachers will go with their critical comments, and what came out at all costs, it was really the idea that we insisted on the human experience, the depth, the feeling of the performer. And we even went so far as to say that some young performers didn't have enough experience to sing such or such a song, for example, for you to still love Céline Dion, as if, I don't know who said that, if it was Garou or something, who said to interpret the young man.

And you know, it's not just being in love, it's really the state of madness, irrationality, in which love plunges us, maybe you've never experienced that before. But I think it's like, the lyrics that I know I'm able to sing. Yes, OK, my love feeling, when you're 13, you can know what it is,

but there, it's love madness. In my head, it's like's not going any further than just, why do you miss me on a love song? It's more than that, that song. Because everything I see is a well-fabricated building. But what's the wood underneath? I didn't have any emotions. If she had a little more depth,

she's really on the first level of the text. I proposed it like that at the beginning, but it's not that far. He lacks depth. That's what I think. And there's a door that doesn't open yet. There's a door that doesn't open and I think... That's it. There was so much... That's just what was coming back to each guy. It was so important that I thought that there was a whole rhetoric of emotions and body and of the experience experienced, which is so present that

I thought it was interesting that it was that, maybe it's always that, but it seems to be synthetic voices of artificial intelligence, of the auto-tune and of the music generated by LIA. And I thought to myself, isn't that kind of the reflection of a certain anxiety from the part of the performer? A resistance to the speech of Lya who says that we will replace all the artists. And by saying no, in fact our value to us and what is really important, it's not necessarily to have the right note or to sing just, it's really to embody the song, to feel it with your body and to have lived it. It's crazy because it's another observation we made while watching the show, but Star Academy is full of young people, the youngest candidate is 16 years old,

and maybe the oldest one is 24 years old, it's a basin of young people. Instead of taking the opportunity to have young participants and put forward their culture of young people to attract a young audience. It's really a kind of reproduction of the boomer culture. We always go... you talk about songs, but they were imposed songs by Diane Dufresne, Céline Dion, or whatever... a brand of the prize or something like that. And it was always like that, the theme was the legends, and we were going to do songs of the Rolling Stones. And then when the variety started, the animator was like, we're going to bring back memories to the territory.

So this show is just for BB Boomers. Well that's it, it's interesting. And we're in a Meta Discours podcast. But I found it interesting because this show has the possibility to highlight our heritage of songs, our cultural heritage, and also to pay artists who are invited to the shows and provide them with a certain income. But then it gets interesting when we say, well, what do they think is part of our cultural heritage and what is not? What songs are admitted and what other songs do we decide not to mention, not to sing. As we know, we worked a little on TV, we heard practitioners and all that.

TV viewers in Quebec, it's not those who stream the shows, but really TV is 60 years more impression. And that was interesting because I listened to TV a lot when I was young. My grandmother raised me, half raised me, in the upper house of my house, and she was someone who had a TV always open. And I spent hours watching TV with my grandmother, TVA, all those TV channels. And I watched shows with her, variety.

And that's what's weird, is that 20 years later, while I was watching it with Mounir, I feel like we're still watching the same TV I used to when I was with my grandmother. And now my grandmother is dead, I'm an adult now. It's like we're in another era, but the TV hasn't back next week again. It's going to be an entirely available episode on our Patreon. So patreon.com bar oblique, Café Snake. Yeah, thanks for listening everyone. And that's it, share. Café Snake hype train continues. We grow up, we become the biggest podcast in Quebec. Intro and outro music is a creation of Aslo, A-Z-L-A. And we decided to put the musical sound sources of our DJ mix right now. In fact, it's really a selection of the sound zeitgeist of the week that we offer you every week. Exactly. Thank you, see you next week! Thanks for watching!