café snake - Post-Naïf

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

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Good morning! Yo, it's my name. I'm sure I'm going to lookie just to write to my sister on Twitter. I'll say, yo, do we're, if we're a certain for a movie team? Hello, Man, it's Daphne. Oh, but I'm obliv, I've got a film of one hour on a horse. And I was just like, I don't know this film.

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The same next week, it's on Patreon. Thank you all everyone who is to be able to do you. I've talked to

talk about in-line this week this week, that's to say, the internet

post-naife. And then I'm my brief react to my recent appearance at the whole people

and I'm going to do it and I'm doing the exercise critical of my own performance and analyze

then the discourse that for the people who can't go to my channel you know

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The 19 October last, the Louvre had been volleed. We have derobed eight joyos of the Crown in a few minutes only,

at the end of a load of charge, four men are sent to we've seen some videos circulate a little and there,

all recently I think it's Saturday, there's been there's there's in the soire,

so I think we've had already of the pieces that had been derobed a little on their chomain, we've retrace

a bit of their displacement. It's kind of a vol spectacular that had been at the opening of the museum of Loov

so over, so few minutes after that the Loove saw over, these men have breached the Loove

had opened to open, the system of security complete had been there was not even

in the gallery in Apollon who had been there was there were there were

people who you have done there, there are people, they've seen But they've profited

to the fact there were there's this part of the Louvre to pass a little unappersu

with the vest of construction. The gillet yellow. But I'm interested especially, it's the

fact that it's really really been a same international. Instantan. Yeah. And we're

we're talking a bit before the crime, that the cambrioleur susite the admiration

rather than the indignation, in the tendance general me seem in their

favor. I'm even view a dance interpretative inspired by the Vol of the Louvre.

And it's also it's like the Netflixization of all what's what I'm all the section in the section commenter of TikTok

for example that said oh my God Netflix will do you make the major movie ever it's like

now I'm I'm an impression that day that there's something in the pop culture or no import an event

everyone is like oh my God Netflix will us out the documenter that's all our documenters that's really

our event but also to true crime, so on crime, so on crime, so they're carded by how Netflix recount this story a couple of years later. So, so I've got to understand a bit of the reception of this crime with, you know, there's a sort of effervescence. The people have been with a certain point of humor,

even. It's a bit like the events that are preceded this thing, it's to say, like, we're in an era really sanglante, there were enormously of mort, of crime.

they're often these crimes who are perpetrated by the state or des states are in scrupule and there

we're asked to see a filmed, there's many there's many times there's not there's not

there's a more, of one. And also there was like a justice that the

people would have served in the sense that the pierceous that had had been

made on these bivou that that pertain to the family

of Napoleon or something of the people Napoleonian in France it's

like de-robed of the Africa so these bivouly in fact he appertained even not

to the museum of the Louvre so the people say you're going to do you know in Africa

and I think it's also it's a little in the response to the event I mean

when when when I had seen to see the world that it did it of Louisie

Manjjione yeah it's a kind of it's a same type of the word of

we know we know we're what's what's it's all it's all crumble

and let's have fun It's like it's an irony posting, it's like, I prefer to all the whole of all the whole

what you say. Well, it's like you say, I think there was also this idea to, we're also

to be symbols of the imperialism French. Justly, the museums are recognized the museums of the

museums of for have some collections of objects of objects that they don't that they're

apartene not to and they refuse also to ramene or to return to the country

who would they're they're some relic historic that appare

to Africa, like you say, and they are even not in their own own their own in the

comments that I said, surprise to learn this week that French and British Museum think

death is wrong? Because that finally the institution museum of these empires

like, the country, the France, it's built, it's irrigated

on the fact of people. What I found what's interesting is that it's really

a vol old school in the type it's very material, it's physical, we see

of people to be disguised and mounte and open and defunce a fenetre etc. I even

view like the images where we were they literally to put in their shoes and then they're

on the street in some world that's really more numeric so immaterial at an

time also where there a experience accru where we we're so it's

a world we seem quite more authentic and also that's

like refreshing it's like old school exactly and I remember a comment

that said, AI could never do this. And I think it's interesting because structurally talking about AI or LIA that we

want, don't we see the ears before now in a few years, it's based, it's fonded

on the vol, the piage culturalel. So, for example, chat GPT or the

generators of image, they are based on the vol of other images who have been

invuled impunement for nourire these programs that and they

entrain. And I think what's what what's the what I'm in particular? And it's what I'm saying

to see, I'm going to see what it's like, the tone mediatic French is so dramatic

there's there's a dramaticization instantaner that we can make some like

9.15 Museum of Lovre 3 Hours arrive in four four

um arrive in four Muppilette he place a month charge that he

had been the world the Loof and And then it's real. And you're like, oh, my God. It's like, so the fact that, like, the fact that, like, the fact that the fact,

they're like, a bit extra, in fact, they're really extra. I know not, like, the media alman. I mean, you know, like, the equivalent. The Americans, it's a tone different. The French, it's, like, really, and I say, when it's what in France, it's all the time, I adore, the kind of dramatization, these emissions, like, C, in the air, or, like, pre-imported TV, or is like, it's, like, totally the same voice, the same cadence.

And I think that it's also that's it's added to the fact there's a fact that

there's exactly the expert are out of it's definitely the effort of a group organized a group

of a group of museum, like they're in a actual film like the panting rose

the type exactly and I think that there in France has sulebe by a lot

to the security in the museum and is is the the museum are

are still is even they're even they are they're even the directoress of the museum, she had offered

her decision to the Minister of the Culture, and the Minister of Culture had refused to her dismission, so she had done at the Assembly National, explained that the security had been quite,

she was made, meanwhile, the government French, there's a new new Prime Minister who demission, who's been re-emboche four years later,

you know, it's kind of the meldown, democratic or institutionally in France in this moment also, so, so there's so that, so you know,

it's a, like, it's like, it's evacue, it's evacue, the world is like, oh, yeah, we're set We're going to do a space of crime scene, and inquieted, and I'm going to find who

who has made of what, you know, it's... It's a... It's been a lot of when he had used the Mett Gala, and the people, he's been revolted a little, I don't know, it's what the theme? She's not, but the girl, she said, the Demy of Cake, like, it's... Yeah, it's like a sentiment in general, too, you know, the precarity augment, all that, so, so, finally, the bijou of the crown, is it? Is it not, like, a species of fetishism for the power, you?

It's like, there's a form of fetishist in fetishism over the imperialist French, but also the monarchy,

a nostalgia in over the monarchy. And it's that overall, I think, like it's the bivou

of the crown, it's a symbol of the power, and then we think, who has the power presently if we can

pass to the class political, notably in France, and it's some people who are

people who are even ensnced for that. And it's so, so it, so it

It's our second DJ News in French. It's Nicholas Sarkozy who has made his grand entry inaugural in prison this week, who has been marked by many of the content. For the people who know, Nicola Sarkozy

has been recognized culpable, various forms of fraud electoral for a campaign presidential. And it's had to his condemnation to the prison

firm, so he'd really go really on center of detention. There, he will demand a liberation at domicil,

but he has like a delay of treatment, so meanwhile, Nicolas Sarkozy, he is just in prison. He is in security maximal, but he's in the

same prison than a lot of people that's made. And there's a lot of content that's made around to that, the first day that's coming, yo, Sarcoe is just at the coat. Yo, Sarcoe, you've got to kill Gaddafi. I'll put the clip.

The prisoners who cried in the... Some hours after his incarceration at the prison of the health. Nicola Sarcozzi has made the object of invective and of menace of other detenues.

We're going to vogue Gaddafi. We're in un-courableable Turned by by the prisoners These videos have been published on

on the social. There's a whole of Sarcozzi who's going to make his pen

and he will resortire he makes three books the biography of Jesus and the Count of

Montecristo in two tom I think I think it's a form of rebranding maybe

you know you'll really profited to that at the final well

what's like what's what's what's what's when it's when he's when he's

when he's out, it's that this kind of again, again a new one kind of the president is a convicted

felon that's a mugshot we're going to do it on TikTok with the rap it's like

you free the guys free Trump it's all this aesthetic or this imaginary of rap that call to call

to the liberation of his friends you're like you free him free him free young

tug free Maxby whatever and then it's like free Trump and it does

it's like Sarcozzi because commenced at the end of the edit of Sarkozy with a song of rap French, it's he's a privy, pige, pige, pige,

he'd vending to the doth, but he compared for crime he's a pige, pige, pish it's, it's been, fern, fern.

He was a little in the view public but, then it's a man, but with this space of generation that not only

made some blake on him, but also on his family, and there, it's a bit in the aspect people.

I think that when Sarkozy will start out of prison, he will write a book. It's a lot of course. But I'd say that, like you reproach that, the rap, I'm in accord, but with the choice of the book, you know, the biography of Jesus, I think he will capitalize

on the image, more the hero sacrificial, which is very, very made of the avant also by the right, by the right religious, notably. And also,

it's that in the last year, we've had even covered in Cafe Snake, but her wife, Julia Sarcozzi, has been a person important in the world of memmetic French, because she has

started to do live on TikTok in talking, and I'm trying the words of the internoisse, in the language of the city,

she has... She's a... She's a big accent that's proper to the banlure parisian, she's like,

she's like, she's like, she's like, her in Sarkozy. Really, this little Jackie, I'm to goof.

Because I can see the petite, on, it's 14- in bo'clock of two-moon, with the magnum of champagne,

The weekend just before her his father was incarcerated It's like she's attached to an aesthetic that's not

the same the Nepo Baby Fee of President Well, they'll imprinted Laura and the aesthetic

of class more popular let's turn but it's classic of the class bourgeois haze

or even very very bourgeoisas because they have a form of plasticity social

that's they can adopt these codes but without the the

negative. They're just farm the aura, finally. Well, I think that also,

but I think that it's that really the domination culturalal of the culture that emaned of the country that

that's someone of 13, 14 years who's develop on internet in that that,

it's about this culture that that you gravite. There are plenty of people that you go to

see the fiss of grand in the company American, and they, who,

who they like, they're up a rapper SoundCloud they're they're not able to a certain

fashion, they're they're like the culture of their parents or whatever they're like,

no, I'm like the rap, I'm si, I'm so, and it

is like a troupe in the popular in the film, in the family,

rich, but who is in an interregue to, because it's that, it's the

domination cultural. Like, like the son Trude like the Fis of Trudeau. But with the

Fis of Trudeau, is Ontarian, he's certainly passed a lot to Toronto until he came to Ottawa, but Drake has kind of Dominique

like he's there's not there's not the calke with the criminality or even how he's he's very old

money coded compared to Jula Sarcaise But Julia I'm often on some TikTok that's not

published by her account to her but the account of his manicurice that he made his

false angles and she mons all the time with a little song

on background like I'm not I'm not these ankles because I have my own I'm not

I'm not I'm not sure because I'm but I'm super young just 14 years Yeah, it's so

and she's there when his father had been in prison with Carl Abruni his wife

it's kind of I think the next territory yeah maybe there's maybe I think it's

full blonde tele-reality yeah I think to start he will he will write he will

come out in plenty of emissions to make some documentaries these emissions of cuisine. Proximation of the news, I'd like to

a new news, I'd like a cafe snack, it's to say, the view speculative, or we'd probably call it the economy of casino. It's a term that I've viewed popped in the media this week.

For the people who not have not we've got to criticize this phenomenon, that's called the reality speculative. Yeah, to, I think we've registered it the year past, but it's a subject

which does a lot We've been a lot, that it's a lot of cool d'ank, also, also in the United, and I think it's interesting that we're talking about also few. Here, in Quebec, I

think it's probably that it's all about, that's all over more of place in our life. Not just the speculation bourseer, obviously, we can

parry on about all about all right to do you know, there are these platforms. There are the market

like Polymarkette where you can parier on the possibility that an event to produce or not. There's now there

a dereglementation a few years in the milieu of sport for the paris sportive. It's now

the middle the milieu of the sport is very, very well enraceen with this culture that

of the speculation of the casino. And so it contaminate the language, you're viewed at the

optics of the optics of the over, the under like, especially if you're someone who consume

a lot of support, you can be in a group of simicid, all be all via

all all the language of Paris and also I think there it's kind of

this current memetic of like all the problems are going to get to be able there's a lot in the last

in the last year on the last to like to go to put on the I think it's like, I think it's true.

The price of risk is very in the discourse that circuls particularly the discourse of crociance

personal with these kinds of bro the culture of the hustle it's not have to have afraid

to be free to make to make to be after the pandemic there has been many

there have been out on the market like Wealth Simple, Robin Hood, or who permitted to, Mr. Madam, all the world, to transige, to the bourse, to buy these actions really easily. We, we had applied that the view speculative, but as I said, there we're talking, we're talking about

economy of casino, in the journals, in the media, or even of casinofication. To have, what term you preferring, but, for example, this week, in the New York Times, there was an article that's called, It is Trump Casino Economy, Now You'll Probably Lose. It has been published the 26th

October. And I'd say that's not necessarily in rapport with Trump, this affair that. It's despise Trump largely. I think that it's bad before Trump that it's arrived. There, I just talked about the gambling sportive, but, justly, it's

linked also to the precarity, to the volatility of markets, and to this idea that there's like a mobility descendant, to, instead of being ascending in the class modern of our years. So, maybe there's this idea

to betty, to make a paris, to play to the money, it's it's not not necessarily

of the sport to get to their patrimon, to think they will be able to

do the money there's there's many other other articles that are out of the

last last time in the Rolling Stone who talked about the gambling sportive

and of the problem that would that would say that like there's now a casino

in everyone's pocket. There's really particularly to the sphere

journalistic who cove the tech and all what's what's that's a

part of the culture web and there's a text that's recently

recently by a blogger tech who also for a

firm of capital risk Alex Danco who talked

about this sort of this paradigm predictive speculative in

the society and he said that it was the prediction that

was success to postmodern in the society and

honestly I have really very I've been very commented this kind of this is particular

it's niched to a sphere of journalism tech and internet but I've quite seen many view a lot of

comments on the text there and I see not too with the postmodernism and the sort of

reality speculative but perhaps the idea is that the prediction that's it's

actually part of the postmodernism because what is the postmodernism is the fritement

of the fritement of the great meta-recy it It's amends a form of uncertainty, the possibility to be in constant redefinition. So, that's a state that is, by definition, precarer, so that can us amny to us engage in the speculation.

But I think that this idea, with the sphere of the tech, especially in the capital, risk, the vici, by experience personal, they aim really make their line with their domain, their sector of the economy, and the world of the art. They are always in trying to imagine as like as artists. And it's like that

also often that's envisaged in their bush. We're talking of innovation, to bring these risks and they're almost

sort of like to language-in-garde. D'Earer, in the text of Alex Danco, he makes a and he says

that for him the crypto, it constitutes a form of avant-garde and I remember also, there a couple

years when he had been a space of buzz on the NFT, how they have tried to frame

that like the future like the future, so it's really people, that's really

personal to me, it's very subjective but for their talking about and exchanged

with them, it's people who are there people who I've said my name. But I

think not that you do it in Mackey no, in show serious. I had

an episode entire of show serious that's my podcast there's that's

my tech bro to me and at an epoch, obviously, where I didn't know my name, just you just to be precise, but I recount a date-inch that I had had with a capital riskier. In fact, in the text, Alex Danko, he said that the fact of, to be in advance or in retort on an information, on a product, on something,

disoomé, it becomes, ascential to the relation that we want to entertainer with this thing, because this idea, to be always at-affue, to know everything, And I was wondering if it was not a way to us incite to always consume an information? Because we're really in an ecosystem mediatic where there's like an overdose of information.

And we don't know where donate the head, but this idea where all becomes a market predictive, it's to always consume more information in the view to be able to be able to make

these good predictions. And in the article Alex Danco, he says notam, and that I'm going to finish with that, we're all participating in one great online game.

So we participate all to a gross game in line. And our view is to be the person or the

predictor or the predictress of the game, rather than be predied by the game.

We'd react to Steve Bannon who did a turn mediatic in the

last year where is he's his vision of the movement Magu and the

future of Donald Trump. For the people who don't know Steve Bannon he is decry

or characterized by a lot of journalists or analysts like the architect of the movement Make America Great Again I think his role is a much more complex but, but

he has his door a bit on the pooh of a certain portion of the coalition of Donald Trump we think really that's he the head-pensate

behind the strategy mediatic or of communication of Donald Trump but I think it's a much complex But now he he's not for

him personally but he was really the architect of 2016, it's that he had even pre Trump on his Nell and who has tried to be

to convince to be present to the president several before. And there he martel

a little that Trump would have a third mandate, so that's just that that Trump

will make a third member so it's so so that for the moment it's anti-constionel

because that's according the 22th amendment you have not do you're not

more to do do that we'll see about that we're going to fix that up but

we're going to make an interview that's just a interview And I thought that, really interesting. I went on an extract. He's going to get a third term.

So Trump 28. Trump is going to be President 28. And people just ought to get accommodated with that. So what about the 22nd Amendment? There's many different alternatives. At the appropriate time, we'll lay out what the plan is. But there's a plan. And President Trump will be the President of the United States.

And the country needs him to be President of the United States. We have to finish what we started. Trump is a vehicle. I know this will drive you guys crazy, but he's a vehicle of divine providence. He's an instrument. He's very imperfect. He's not churchy, not particularly religious,

but he's an instrument of divine will. And you can tell this of how he's pulled this off. We need him for at least one more term, right? And he'll get that in 28. What I retinne in, it's really when he talks of President Trump, who says that Trump is a vehicle of the divine providence, that it's an instrument,

that he'll be able to not be perfect, not be churchy, like he said, so to go to necessarily to the churchy, or to be really observed very well the regs, the custom of his religion, it's, in these

words, an instrument of the Voluntet Divine. And for me, I, I'm talking about the religion this time this is really

important to prate attention to these little dog whistle Christian. And that, it's a long that I've been

in the coffee snake, but it's never the time or the opportunity. But there, I've got to for me, when we

when we talk an instrument of the Voluntity Divine or also of vehicle of the providence

divine, we're in the second coming of Christ, so the second coming of Christ on earth,

or a form, an iteration of this in French that we call the parousy, which is

present in several incarnations of the religion Christian, which, not the

branch evangelic of the right. There are all sorts of versions of that that's where you're trying to see the Mormons. What is interesting there in, when we read the text sacre, or that's

a bit at this second venue of God on earth, is that Trump can very well be an instrument divine and in the same time to be a vector of chaos. So like he said Banon, there's not necessarily to

bring the peace, the bonoer, There's not need to observe the faith for being an instrument of God.

What's is that if we consider that Trump is a figure providential that

an anons this second coming that of Christ, well, it's necessarily

some sign precursor that are not jojou like, these catacly

major, a apocalypse, the wars, the famine, the epidemines, the

catastrophes natural, all this is predid in the book of the

apocalypse, all of calamity, who would have just before the second coming of the crisis

on the judgment there, and the people who observe this time that, and who, they'd

they'd like that it would be that they're the abutisman of the humanity, yeah, exactly,

it's the end of the time, and the people who are that they will come to come

and they're really for it's the bottom of the mar and they would really really that

that happens. And I think it interesting to see how it's evolved all this aspect religious around

Trump because in some of the figures who are a bit more like atheistic like Joe Rogan who's

who's seen you Donald Trump at the last he goes in a church but he has been often in opposition

with a religion abuglement but he he even denones a little the integrism

republican because you know I'm still I'm a bit in trying to hear Joe Rogan so I'm to listen

to hear him he's an talking to to say at what's what's going to Texas with with the

schools, the schools, he said he says it's not a lot of sense, it's not a lot of

so I think it's interesting that in the coalition of even there even there some people, they're

in trying to really implement this profoundly yeah. Yeah, and just to return

to the second this second there, there would also the venue

of the Antechris on the Antechris who would an instrument

of satan, who would be passed for the Messy, who would pretendry of a nature divine, who'd direct, literally, Drom could be the Antichrist, he would be quite positive

in the view of someone who would be able to see the parusie. And there also this idea that, along different Christians, the return of Christ

is intrinsically linked to these events in Israel, notably the return or the reunification of all the Jews on the Earth

of Israel. So, that also it influences their way to envisaged the genocide. And I think that ultimately, it can mean a form of accelerationism

where, finally, all what's going to be the re-chofeement climatic, the war, the atrocities, can be perceived with a lot of positive in saying, well, it's correct,

it's what it does be to be able to the end of the time. The accelerationism, just for revenue to that, it's an ideology where we would push-er,

we'd intensify, by example, the capitalism in the idea to, just, accentue the tendency auto-destructress

and parvening to the chute of the chute of any any particular regime that regs the

world, just for to add to that I think I've said, but I had been to get a

New York Time recently, recently created an infolet religious, and we say that even if the

number of practicant or the croyant doesn't drastically, it's certainly also

the power, the power political of the faction religious that augmentation. So, monseignement on the internet post-naive, what is it?

Well, as I said, it's a term that I've seen a little partoo for a week. It's a bit of a text that's been published on a site that I didn't know. It's called Modilla Foundation. An essay visual, that has been made by three persons, Severin Matussek, Nick Hood, and Paloma Monizze. And I'm gonna make... Nick Hood?

Yeah. Is it a Quebeco? No, I don't. I'll make it in the notes for that you can't to go to consult the famous text. He sullying a shift in our fashion to envisage the web internet. It's like a changement

which we've discussed quite many for years. It's to say that the idealism or the vision utopic that we had the World Wide Web at the whole

debut of the early 90, well, in this moment at our time we have faced to just the cheques of this utopi and we're in

a constat that is perhaps more realist or even perhaps more disenchanted. We abandon the idea of the web like an space

which is just liberal, gratuit, open to all the internet today, not only only

it's quite quite it's a cooperative, but he's also more and more populated of bot

of instance where we don't know is that is really a human, is that is more

just a robot who talk, the content poory, the slop, as we also,

and many also of content who want to imprinted the logic of the appell to the

rage bait, clickbait, all that for to attire our attention and eventually vend more more of publicity.

All that with the fact that the giant of the web are more more of the act on political explicit,

although there a few years he made really the event the fact that was impartial that was for the liberty

of expression all that we've got really, by example, with the genocide in Palestine

that no it function in function of an agenda political sometimes explicit that they will censure

the content that will not correspond to this agenda that, for example... I don't know if it's not really because during the COVID also, but there, the correction that's just my opinion, I don't know that before he was

neutral, don't know, they've never been neuter, but the difference, it's the discourse. That's it, that, we'll say, that, we'll say, in a way, explicit.

Explicit. You know, I, for example, it's chocked a bit recently, there was a video, like circuled, a journalist of

Radio Canada that had explained to a public young, why the journalists of Radio Canada employing not the word

genocide. And I've wanted to write on the video, that's only that, and Instagram

has blocked my comment I mean, I mean, there were there were there people who

I mean, it was never been neutral on the moderation on the social, and it's like

on TikTok at the so that we've invented the AlgoSpe because

at least on TikTok you could nothing to you can't you're reason, but I think

It's more the pretension to the impartiality who have abandoned more than than the impartiality in so. Finally, the internet

post-naiff, is something that is like in response to this ecosystem that, this environment and that, and that proposes

an internet would be local, collective, and that pertain to a community. I wanted to because I think that

Kaff and Snake that makes a bit echo to that. Surto, especially the idea of Patreon where we

can be to write, and change in an space which is relatively niched. You know, it's a little

community that will discuss of the subject of society. I and you never necessarily to try not to become viral.

You know, it's not a podcast that is filmed, we don't do clip, it's just sonor but we have always

to achieve the good public, the public who wanted just to discuss of these

issues with me. I think it interesting this concept of internet post-naiff and obviously

there's a lot of people, there are or of chronicer even, who are also on this concept this

week. For example, Kevin Munger, and I'll put also his text in the notes, which is

written towards the post-naive internet, so via the internet post-naive. And he said that the institutions post-naive,

like Kaffir-Snike I guess, are based on the model of the dark forest. I don't know if we've

already talked about here, but... I think we had already failed in about 25 Okay. The model, I don't

like to traduce it in French, but the model of the forest sombre. It's a metaphor that is tiried of an trilogy of the scriven Chinese, Liu Sishin. I hope that I'll name his name, but, but it's this idea that the internet is become a forest that is dense, that is sombre,

and it's a bit like if we were in the night, in the forest, and each si-brue will attire the attention. We can't really all. In this And this endroarer, we're going to go to stay, we'll go in a terrier, by example. So, the internolds will quitted the places public of

internet, where they're tracked, where there's bad, blah, blah, blah, and they're going to be refugue more in these groups niches, by example, these groups of discussion private. The serpeers on Discord, of the telegram. Or even a Patreon.

Well, how I'm, how I'm understand also, is that it's these places that are not researchable on the motor of research. Also, exactly. There Yansis Trikler who has said,

the internet is dying on the outside, but growing on the inside. So, no, the way of the conceptualized, but, like, yeah. I don't think it's necessarily a utopia, this idea of internet post-naife, because there's kind of an effronement of a reality mediatic that and in this context, where we're all in our little group private, it's really difficult to bring the pooh of the world. Not only that, but if we quit the spaces public, For example, you know, when there's

the exode of all the journalists who are parted to X for all over Blue Sky, well, what it's what it

has left to the chant liberal, the ethno-nationalists, the racists of X to Quebec, to just proliferate

and now there's a capor completely X to Quebec. That, plus, like, the libertarian,

plus, it rest. You know, I see not for you, but I'm the impression

that there there are many people of the Kake, and the party Quebec,

and the liberals. He's trying to the pooh of the Quebecois and they're by example on X and they're

just watch these comments racist, Islamophob, and they're saying, hey, it's the people people

that they fashion their politics in function of their opinion public that. I'm not it with their

output and their engagement. What's they resonate with the audience that on this platform?

And for the party to government, they have they have just some they're just they find

Honestly, it's kind of interesting to see to gorelly on Twitter X, whatever, like Stefan Gobeye are his own concierge, right, who adore the feline,

it's a photo to profite, it's always a philin and it's very fear, in fact, to think it's these people that take the

government. Like, if you can't you put it with the and it's like he's like, they're working

at the cabinet of the prime vines. Exactly, and there, we're also of the part of the

part of the discourse mediatic that they're serving in their commune of press and all, it's really quite gloke.

The KACC has tried to this new current with these pages who are like associated to party

but they're like there's not, there's a there's a phone Twitter that's about the Replic

which is like a kind of kind of Kamella H. Kew, which is like the Kack who tries

to make some more sarcastic and direct where is who is he attack at the discourse

in the media or other politicians of the opposition and there also the Kaka in

the media that who will try to clip form of the apparitions of the different deputies and ministers of the KACC so they have

kind of an approach on Twitter they're... They're very present on Twitter and it's quite interesting

in the sense where I'm the impression that their presence mediaatic on the other platforms

is more aggressive why X exactly it's just a because I say Twitter is the platform of content

ultimate it's like the Zaiai soper. There Kevin Munger who revened

to the fact that, that's the Pache original of Internet, it's been to decide to the finance

by the publicity, and that's like a decision technical, to not integrate the micro-payment.

So, I've heard many about these micropemans in the structure of the web that has

managed to the web that we're financed by the publicity, but the fact that

that's that's also that created the economy of the attention and the logic of clickbait, the logic

of the engagement, the logic the rage bait but it's that that propulsed the development

of the web really rapidly. Is it in, he talked of that in their affair of web

post-naiff that also the fact to comment and identify these behavior, like that's

the clickbait, it's a fact that that's that's being meta also that we're

a look on a 10-to-dagebage so we're not people? It's it's kind of an article

I'd say that's quite super-stiel I thought that's interesting that we're talking on

about of the other. But, well, I imagine that it's kind of a subject that interests the people that I like, but the people like, well, we're like... Oh, yeah, it's so, well, we have already said, it's, it's, it's also part of the view speculative, or the espest of attitude, where we're always trying to

make these words, to forger these new terms, for identity, for the current, the Zad Guys, etc. But it's that, it's, it's, it's a few times that I've heard about, like, to the revenue of web, it would be, it's not, like, we're, on, for example

to dovoire, or we we're on the Netflix, but that every time

we want to get good to watch this film that, I pay, perhaps one dollar, two dollars.

I'll read this article I'm paying but it's very payment but it's elective. But it

was even even with the App Store when I'm too, even the music iTunes. So,

so, brief, I'm medited if you have something to say that will make a

pleasure to be for the people who for you Vend the Patreon is that there a section

commenter on a community, we're in a great community, there's a big discussions, of the best

if you want to you'll just subscribe Patreon.com by oblique cafe Okay, my name.

So, we plug the patty d'affel like that. In the context of 30th anniversary

of the referendum of 1995 that had used the 30 October 1995 1515 all people

on all people on invite Kinj. J. Zero Lou Adrian Cassidi

and me, you know, it's all right, you know, it's, like, it's made, it's a bit, that it was discussed, that it was going to do. The addition to Lou Adrienne was recent, after the appearance of the article in the press, on its positionment, by rapport to the question referendaire. I want, like, address, these affairs that I did, but, like, just like, they, they're terminated, so, there are a lot of things that, I wanted to say, that I've realized to say, but not, to complete. And it's, because it's, it's, again, you have to talk to the format,

of everyone on par, it's kind of cool, we were three, we had 15 minutes, and I think

I'd have used to more to get to add up to the discussion. So, there's two affairs

principally that I want to like, and the first is by the question that you

had used on the non-nationalism in the mission. So, let's make the extra

on what I did. Mounier, you're of origin Marocan Kinji, you're

born in Portugal. Is what you consider the movement sovereignist inclusive? I

the only thing that I can say, I'll take my words, my song Equip,

is Quebec on the Coalice where you're near. Yeah, he said, say me

not where you're going, do you go. Exactly. I think to characterize the

movement sub-svernous or nationalists as a ethnomationalists. I personally not that the identity

national is attached to ethnicity. I don't think it's the social that it will

be that we're not that we're there's a tension, and there's a there can't

there can't there a fear to disappear of these people, and I'm I'm going to

a piece of empathy over this fear that, because there's a cycle mediatic that's constructed

about to generate to more more of power. So I think I'm can characterize the movement sovereignists

by anything than what what we decide that's the and I think that this that this

youngness revendique, it's, yeah, when we're when we're saying that when we're

saying we're saying in time real, it's what, and if there there's nonationalists,

we can't you can't, you can't not change. I think that you're I think you're talking in my voice

at plenty of regard because I'm all the whole time in a piece of logic where I know that it had it was 45 seconds that I

had a minute 20 that I saw that you saw you know I was like if I had not the time to finish

I had not the time to finish that it would just be bizarre so when I when I said there's

there are these nonationalists we can't change it's like a racorci that characterise not really my

I don't think that. I think I think that I think it's like lute ideologically

culturally against these discourse that. I would finish this phrase that

saying, there are, we can't change that I can't in contradiction with what I

think, there's there's all to be all right to make you the explain to the

clear and limpid I think I think I'm I'm my my objective

with this question because I know that it's to explain clearly I'm not

ethno-nationalist. Here's what an ethno-nationalist? I think that it's just plain out single... Like, the ethnicity is not

attached to the appartenance to a nation, but after me. But after, I'm like, so I'll take the L but, like,

it's like, it's like, kind of high-stakes and all people were stressed, like, it was kind of a vibe

survolta, the fact to do that, you know, we're making in a context that, we're doing that,

and we're sub-bayon of the project of Lois 2. When we arrived, I had no idea, there was almost 1,000 people who were in radio Canada.

I mean, like the belle of my friend of my wife, who made, because we we had said that Christian

Dubbe had rested maybe during a block after, so that it would be that would be

there's like there's like there, I'm like, there's like, I'm not to enter, that I'll say,

if you're an independentist, it's not because everything on the last interview, I've seen this phrase

there, and it's completely out of the type, like I'm... You said you said that the minister Duby

had looked a little special? Yeah, Christian Dube was in his office,

with his security before his when he's like a number, and I'm, like,

I think, I thought, in real, when I was, because, you see, I'm even demanded to get,

I'm even the same, it's even not the bonnete, he made full pole, and, like, you're like, you know,

it's, like, you're coming up. You know, that's a issue racism in the macuage because often

the people who have a coccasian blanche, they have more of option on the makeupage.

But she's just she's just that she has been mal identified. The mackeyes are maybe better more

good for to find your tonality. So, so when I 've seen, in real, like,

makeup up, like, like, all, like, you know, this guy that has looked

not, it looked there may have looked totally that, you well, I'm sure

that I I've also heard a lot of testimonies on TikTok of different medicine, and unfortunately I've been not used time to read the project

of law this week, so pardon to those who wanted that we'd make it to make sure but I'm content of the

intervention of the doctor Dominique Sinott present on the plateau especially because there had not no more of medicine who

had been invited to make counterpoint to the discourse of the minister and I liked that when she had

talked of indicators of performance that the KACC you're implanted when you decide to control or to try to regulate or to regulate the

performance of medicine, it's like if you were like some people who had been in the control that, you know,

that they didn't not, like, just, dign of confidence by about the exercise of

their function. And it's also of a rationalization neoliberal that we see, that

we've seen a bit everywhere, who tries also to convert all the things human, in data, in statistics, in

measures. We are in an approach of optimization, and it's something that is very present in the society or in the life speculative. We have always a retroaction of each one of our actions, of our gestures. For example,

on the radio social, we have some of the number of abonies, the number of like, the statistics, of the podcast, all sorts of things. We're called, also, to control, to note,

to note the performance of the workers precar everywhere around us who serve like the chauffeur the chauffeur of Uber, magazine Eti who I want

these books of reels. We're doing always some we're doing always the police of the other and we do it's always

sometimes sometimes without it's even me when I when I was at my last year in the

university at a moment to it's my mittries in the translation and then we demanded

to evaluate my parents when he had these Oro and I refused to do that I'd give a 100%

at all because for me it's all right to dover to become a police for me it's absolutely deleterate

this way to envisaged the things it will recadry our way to envisaged the soins

for me it's not something quantifiable it's a kind of approach technocrate that is typical

of the CAC it's really not surprising of the part of a government who for

For example, we're implanted these services of intelligence artificial for, so-de- optimise, by example, the soins

the health of the first line. In any my impression of the thing, it's that

it's that eman directly of people who don't have to have an experience of the terrain.

Dconnected completely of the work of the medicine or what what's what's

in the case, and I'm saying, but who is at even to really

to really to understand the job of the Well, especially for categorize the patients. The minister has a back

in administration of the affairs, like literally okayn't qualified for doing that to implement this type of law, like zero.

D'allure, the Committee of Expertsed by the government to repense the access to primary line, he has never recommended this

option that. The other thing I think interesting is the quadrage mediatic in this moment of the

medicine by the CAQ, their image, they're doing a image of chowler, of grudur, of rich who's

who's pung the bang and also all that all over with a feminization of the

because there are more of more of the women who do you know, and I think consequently,

because there are a lot of women, the conditions degrade. It's that in all the domain

of the work where there a majority of women that work, that's the education

or also the the soin infirmier, the little infancy, and that it's

all people on part, just by the doctor who was on place. But when we talk to doctors who

do time partial, I think that's not really something that's necessarily generalised, and the statistics that they don't know the number of hours who are passed to

ensigny, or even to do the research who, who, are two sectors indispensable. I'm also, you, what's what it would be to

propose to the KAC, to them remunerer, they're even in function of their performance? Evident I didn't the

first to me to pose this question there, because I was on a letter of opinion that that had been published where the

person had asked the same thing. She rappled that the deputies of the CACC had adopted the

6 June 2003, an augmentation of remineration of 30% which is entering in vigor on

the champ and the project of never been in commission parliamenter as much

the view the Coutume they're so they're doing like the ministers the the new

paid of Canada so I'm like what what the fuck I'm I'm discouraged, I'm

disgoted, I'm revolved, and like I can't believe that's they're in the state of the state. And by the

course, if we were they were in function of their performance, I'd say that their indemnities they'd beck in tabarnack.

Wow. I'd never that had a drop the hard hack. It's sure that in a certain

way, you invite three artists, you're not resort with the more big teke geopolitical or

economic, It's sure that I'm, I'm personally I'm doing in Cafe Snick, but when you're running there, you're not like, oh, I'm going to my theories on the world

or the functionment economic of a Quebec sovereign. I mean, I think the Quebec economy, I think the Quebec sovereign economic would be economically

viable, but I'm not there for this argument and I think that's a real, the reaction of the public is like a

in fact, that is really disconnected of all what all what's going to all the culture. I'm sure

that I'm some, in Quebec, who says, or who is, like, we're carded like the future of Quebec, or the future

leader of a movement, it's like, we're not these chief of state, the jurists, we're not, we're not,

we're not, we're not, actually, all the stuff that's a back, I'm, I'm not,

I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm not, I'm not

presented, you know, I'm not the idea that I'm maybe more transmit, that,

it, Quebec independent, I think personallyly that it's always good that the Quebec aspire to because, based on its history, she has never put really abuture the finality of the state of the nation Quebecoise, and that it's a work constant, and that's this flambe, and this esport for

that it's for better, that it's to be able to express. And I think that I've got passed it. In fact, I'm not passed to because I haven't had been in the

sense that's that's been well, it's been well, I think the idea that I'm the idea that I'm

sure of how I'm communicate, it's really by about the culture in parallel but even it was

a long intervention of my port, I think it's like one minute, one minute and a minute and I'd

have made that, I had in what I'd say, because if you'd listen to the phrase,

as you're at one of these rare intersections where is there a culture that's bullion, and I don't, I say

nothing, but it's ecligeon. I don't, that's a rare intersection between two cultures that's developed in these ecosystems mediatics, different. One on the TV, and one on internet, the culture web-quequequeous.

There are some people who've done for some of these hours to bring these photos with Cheyenne and Ali Brasson, like it's been, for that's like, permanent record,

of, like, what's what's what I'm, why I say that there's there in parallel? Yeah, the phrase is, well, the young don't, the young don't, the culture

that it's not interested to them whatever. It's like a good idea but I'd like it's like it's like

more like it's like it's like it's like you know what you know what you know what to get at

how point this phrase was important kind? Well, you want to talk about the environment

mediaatic also more than a schism generational or in fact the two sort.

It's that it depends the and that I think I've been been more said,

it's me that's more that I'm the article of the last year according to Marr de Laval, I mean, I'll explain

more clearly but, you know, it's an discussion of an hour and a minute with a journalist it's not, it's not the

same thing, it's basically and in plus, I'm with two other person so, so, like, I don't,

I think, I've talked about 40% 40% I think it's a stretch, because Gia, I think,

has been a 20% of time, it's so, so, so these questions are totally fucking long,

and we're we've got to the KINj during a minute and I'm, I'm, I'm, I think I'm going to break down

the interview play by play but I think that's a moanwele of the discourse it's literally

that's like as meta as we get and I think what's what Kinge has in this interview it's iconic

and it's going to live for the wrong side of history Yeah, he had 17 years I think

that Lou Adrian has really partaged his idea by the kind of how we put on

on the piece of the culture Quebecoes the years of 90 of 80 and

in fact I think it to rejoin the discourse on the literature, it's so. I'm at first I'm really like that when you're

because I think it's similar also in literature. It's so. And, you know, we said, ah, to read the grand

classic. Even when I was, you know, I made a back and a mitch in the literature and we made me

and we've made to read a lot of books, but you know, even when I'm returning at McGill

because I didn't, I'm saying, in fact, I was, I was, maybe, that it's changed

a bit, but there's there's kind of quite a proff who are even not in current of what they're doing

and that's it's a lot of it's so that that makes that the middle is living, and it's so that also

that the artists are capable to live because they are not only learn, but analysed, criticate.

I think overall this interview was the genie because we had the three, the three, we had a

three, we have a single, it was really to not to try to I think, to me, I think,

so it's just to talk to my film, the new sovereignist. How, for me, what's

what I wanted to? It's the movement that was perceptible for a year. We're talking in a

cafe snake, but no media had perceue that. So what's what it would say

on our ecosystem media? You'd have more on the media? Yeah,

I'm to say, the politicians, they're not in the piece with us, why we're

we're talking we're doing the future? I'm like, oh, my God, what I'm talking to what I'm

trying to the time that we're repeated in the interview or that we try to make sure,

and that's not partisan, what party you denounce, is that you denounce the PQ, QS, is liberal? I think that the view

the view maybe to not depolitize the discourse. The discourse is imminently political. The idea that

is made to the end of political, it's a independence of Quebec. It can be a demarch

cultural, the independence culturalele, it's a economic, no import, ecologic. But,

But, like, it's not to arrive there and say, yo, we'd have all vote for this party political for this. It's like,

no, here's three artists of the same generation that's a little younger than me and I'm whatever.

We, we think it's fucking important that there a continuation of this movement that that has ported

the 50 years years of Quebec. And in fact, the phrase that I

forgot in the interview and I'm mad is that we've talked in a cafe Snake but the

evolution of intrinsically liable with the evolution of the technology mediatics.

So of course that the internet will be appropriated the stethics my pre-entreview was so much my interview I've been realized

I remember that in my pre-entrevue anyway so yeah I agree like after it's like oh my god

there'd have to denounce the security on the sign religious and the schools and

like the PQ I think what's what's it's just to denounce clearly the ethno-nationalism

I'm don't know that they are endonationalists but I say, it's rare that Pasperando arrive and

and he says I'm against the nonationalism, I think it's not good, he's not often,

he's not a time but it's not some, so I think, I think it's that I think it's that you

think it's to not to be able to be able to their electorate. Thank you my,

I have some recommendations cultural, in fact, I think a cafe Snaker, Snakeers

who me read Dereida at several repries and I have done to read

and I've got to read, and I'm trying to read, that I've been been on a excellent text of an intellectual that I see before few, which is called Sy Cantorrell. The text is called Living with Ghost Machine,

and I recommend absolutely to read, in plus, it's more long than to read a book, and it has made really powerful, and I think very parlant, and the work of Derrida

and the technology, in particular, what Derrida call the anthology for to be haunted like hanties like the phantoms

and for him it would be the trace of the past that is visible and invisible at the way and who haunt the present

it's like a theory a bit of phantom and it's also related, I said the tech but certainly the media

it's related to media and I think that Sai Cantrell she explains very well in this text the principle

of LLM so the grand model of language like chat GPT and how they are

a bit enchase, fonded structurally on this logic of entice that. I don't know if I

vulgarize well, but it's in talking about Derrida and of his report to the media.

And he said, in the phone, the media or the cinema, it's the art of

phantombe. And he said even that the most of the development modern in technology,

in communication, on the way to diminue the reign of the phontombe, in fact,

he propulss their power and their ability to these phantoms that. By example, when we regard an image

in a cinema, or, let's on that I regard the interview of Mounier, to all people all know, the image of

Mounier, it exists, but it's at the way not in the past, and in the present, and it's like

in an kind of two spectral. And it's that, he says, when we see,

it's that when we're not Mounier, but we see only only the trace of Mounier,

his image is dissociated to the moment where it has been registered, he has

been captured, Like the allegory of the cavern? No, it's not that, really. Like I repeat, that I've not read, I just read that, I just

read that, but for DeRida, in the fond, it's that the media do they preserve not the real, but

they produce these phantom. And it's that also that makes the intelligence artificial generative. You know,

CHATGPT, it's always a result statistic of all the texts, of all the phrases that have existed

before, and who have been integrated to model, that we have done to to eat,

to get to get something there's a very anthology in the technology of the I generative,

which is always like haunted by something that's not in the present, that's

some of the ideas, the sense, of the history, and trial said that's that's that

that's that makes, the images, the video generated by LIA really really strange,

it's they are structurally phantomatic. And they're going to recrache the discourse, but it's not necessarily the discourse, it's something of statistics at part of the past.

And what the chat GPT will crash is never really a communication, it's just a collage statistic of phantom. It's a discourse that is without

locutor, a communication that is without relation, a creation that has, there's not an intention, that has not of conscience. I thought that

this text that was really interesting, He made the link, finally, between Derrida and the technology. I'll make that in the notes. Okay. Have you braced your teeth?

Yes. You've got to do asses, eh? No. What's what I'm going to do with you? The last recommendation is that I've learned that Samy Landry, a drag queen that I like a lot, who is quite

quite present on the radio social here, who is Acadian, who does some of the sketch with Gzignia Gould. at the season 6 of Canada Drags Race so that

just to announce the participants at the mooture number 6 that will start 7 autumn in November so I think

that I'm give the good to I've never listened Canada's Drags Race Thank you

for the recommendations yeah thank and uh the same next the music is

Azulo A ZLO Prene soin at the next Zoo Poo! You know,

meh. And