Call Her Daddy - 114- This is Mia Khalifa. (ft. Mia Khalifa)
Episode Date: March 17, 2021This week, Father Cooper sits down for an interview with the one and only Mia Khalifa…move over Oprah. Mia opens up about the struggles she faced while growing up as an immigrant in a post 9/11 soci...ety and the bullying and harassment that followed. She recounts the darkest time in her life and how she overcame global shaming, death threats, and ISIS. Mia tells her story with an inspiring amount of strength and affirms how one’s past does not define their future. It wouldn’t be an episode of Call Her Daddy without a little sex, and Mia shares one of the most intimate sexual experiences she has had with a partner. Lastly as always, therapy is the key to life. ENJOY DADDIES!
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what is up daddy gang it is your single father alex cooper with call her daddy
what is up daddy gang it is your founding father for another episode of Call Her Daddy.
Hello, hello, hello, Daddy Gang.
I hope you are all having an amazing Wednesday.
If not, that's fine.
You're listening to this podcast,
so it's about to turn around real fucking quick.
Daddy Gang, the guest today when she was 21 years old for three months,
three months in her life in 2014, entered into the adult film industry, having no idea how it
would impact her life. And she is here today, a strong ass, independent, successful
young woman because she refused to let social media define her reputation, to define her
livelihood from a decision that she made in her early career. Her journey was painful and it was dark as fuck and difficult and
you want to talk about rising from the fucking ashes this woman is honorary daddy gang
mia khalifa hi hi thank you so much for joining me today.
I'm so happy to be here.
It's so crazy that you are here and I'm so excited to have you on.
I want to start by talking about our story together and how we discovered each other,
how this came to be and like, why are we here today?
I will go first.
Okay.
So when everything broke out with Call Her Daddy last year, I started seeing things about it pop up on my for you page on TikTok
and I became obsessed like obsessed consumed everything I could about it I needed to know
every single detail and I was just so inspired by your strength through it all and the way you
handled everything and especially by that first video you did when you came back, that YouTube video was,
oh my God.
I think I saw someone parody it after the Oprah interview saying like they Photoshopped
the queen onto your face saying the queen after she watches this interview.
Wait, I did not see that.
It was hilarious.
Like it was incredible you showed so
much strength and you made me a call her daddy fan that's amazing to hear because I well thank
you first of all I had always knew like knew who you were and then I remember going to follow you
and seeing that you followed me and I went to dm you then I'm like, I need to have this girl on the show.
And then I saw that you had already DM me and your DM to me was unbelievable. So thank you so
much. It was basically explaining exactly kind of what she said about the video. Yeah. I mean,
I just wanted to like, I knew, I knew you wouldn't see it because at that time you were just getting
completely blown up. It was, I love how you say that. And you have like 20 million followers.
You're like, I just like, didn't know if you're going to see it. I'm like, I'm surprised
you even know who I am. So thank you very much. I think I started it with, you'll never see this,
but yeah, no, I'm a big fan. So thank you. And, um, and I'm a huge fan. I, to give anyone context
right now, daddy gang listening, I am sitting with Mia in her house right now and we hung out last night, which I think was crucial for this interview because we wanted to kind of go through what Mia is going to be comfortable talking about, not talking about.
And just so it can be an enjoyable experience for both of us and something that you're proud of and you want to put on the Internet because I've seen some of your past interviews and the people that interview are fucking assholes.
I'm like, what the fuck are these people doing?
So I want to give you a, hopefully a different experience today.
As we kind of delve into some topics, some are going to be fun, call her daddy topics, and some will be more serious topics. But I just wanted to tell the daddy gang that Mia and I have
had a conversation about what she's comfortable talking about today. Um, and the themes that
we're going to be talking about, hopefully a lot of you will be able to relate.
So I want to kind of go through, Mia,
you just explaining like your childhood and just where you're from
and just giving a little bit of background on like who you are
in case people don't know who you are.
Okay.
I moved to America in 2001 from Lebanon
and I grew up as one of the very few brown people in Montgomery County in the school
that I went to. It was me and a couple Indian kids. And that was it. So there was a lot of
internalized racism against myself. And I wanted so badly to be white. And everyone was white and
Jewish. And I wanted to have a bar mitzvah. And I wanted to do all of these things that everyone
else was doing and eat the peanut butter jelly sandwiches in my lunch bag like
everyone else and there was a lot of bullying and a lot of things that ensued after 9-11 happened so
my childhood was a little rough I didn't have too many friends I was also extremely overweight and just did not fit in anywhere, anywhere. Um, so I turned inwards and I,
I, I don't know. I had a lot of shame over being different, not being attractive, um,
not getting, not getting any positive attention or validation from myself.
So I sought for it elsewhere.
And by the time I was 16, I was dating someone who was 23.
And you were looking for validation through men.
Yeah.
And we had a conversation about that last night.
I think to kind of go through some of your childhood, I think thank you for sharing that because those are like all themes I think that a lot of people
can relate to is one being bullied at a young age significantly affects your mental health and the
way that you look at yourself in your adolescent years and then affects you if you don't get into
therapy or you don't address it it affects you throughout the rest of your life and the decisions
that you make and the relationships that you get into. Um, I can only imagine like you're saying
you, so did you move here around the time of nine 11? Yeah. In January. So by the time school
starts to school started nine 11 happened and being in DC, it was, did you grow up in New York?
No, but at Pennsylvania, but the Northeast. The Northeast in general, I think, was differently affected by 9-11 than the rest of America.
100%.
Because we didn't have school for like a week.
We got sent home and did not go back for a week.
Did you do those trainings of like if this ever happens again in school?
Like everyone was learning how to like where to take cover in the like rooms.
It was crazy in school.
Yeah, code red drills.
Yep, yep.
And everyone brought like lunch boxes that you have to like pack to like have in case.
It was crazy times in the Northeast.
Isn't it so wild that we look at like the Red Scare and how kids were hiding under their desks?
Like, oh, my God, I can't believe they did that.
Meanwhile, we're putting up cardboard over the small window in the classroom in case there's an active shooter or something.
Times have changed, but it's kind of the same, same, same same but different same same but different so was it for you was it so hard coming
from where you came from to then come to the United States and then to be in the United States
around that time at such a young age like did you deal with bullying around not being from America
yeah the accent I didn't lose until like probably middle school so there was bullying surrounding
that there was bullying surrounding the way I looked, the way I acted, the food I brought to school, basically everything.
I just did. And I didn't know anything else. So I didn't know if I would ever fit in anywhere.
I thought everywhere was like this. So you feel very isolated. Very. You said you grew up sort
of from like a, not a military background, but you did go to military school for high school.
So you were kind of on like a, I wouldn't say like a straight and narrow path, but you definitely
were not living in a way that like your eyes were on you, your parents not restrict, but like you're
going to military school. And so when you get to your adolescent years, you go to college and like,
can you talk about your experience with weight in college and like
the transition from feeling like insecure and not confident in yourself and then having that body
image changing in college to getting your boob job? Oh, the crazy thing is my body image didn't
change until maybe like four or five years ago. Even when I, even after I lost all the weight
between those few years after high
school and, uh, my early twenties, I thought it was my boobs that made me feel so low and so
self-conscious about myself. But after I got my boobs and I was still, that one was a breast lift
and implants because of my drastic weight loss. I had 34 triple D's and then I lost 60 pounds and I had 32 A's, but I had all of this excess skin to the point where the doctor couldn't put implants in.
Otherwise, my nipples would face like my toes.
So they had to do a lift and then put implants in.
And did the weight loss also affect other parts of your body, not just your boobs?
Yes, so many parts.
Got it.
Yes.
It was really hard for me to struggle with, especially having so many friends my age.
Right.
Seeing their bodies compared to mine.
I looked like I had three kids.
Like I still have all of this excess skin and stretch marks.
The stretch marks I don't care about.
It's what my skin does when I sit and when I move certain ways that you can tell that's like, there's no way to fix that other than
having it surgically removed. And I lost the weight in the worst possible way. What do you mean? How
did you do it? Not eating, just being completely unhealthy, abusing laxatives, just doing all of
these things to put my body through the ringer and lose this weight so drastically. Where were
you like mentally in that state of your life? I hated myself. I didn't see the person that was actually there in the mirror.
Even though I had already lost 60 pounds, I looked like a completely different person.
I still saw that chubby girl that I kind of hated and was ashamed of.
And I didn't feel as pretty as I was.
So whenever I got attention from men, I felt like I need to hold on to this.
I'm going to lose it.
I might not ever get it again.
Like, I don't know when this will pass again.
It's like a shooting star.
I need to hold on to this and do whatever I can to make them happy so that I can keep
getting this.
Because you hadn't gotten any of that while you were younger.
Yeah.
If anything, you were getting shamed about your body.
Yeah, exactly.
Any type of positive reinforcement about the way that your body looked from a man was something that you had not experienced.
So it was like something, again, I get what you're saying you wanted to hold on to.
That's a lot of weight to lose, obviously.
And we had talked last night a little bit about your struggle with body image and having openly saying you were comfortable talking about having an eating disorder. And I think so many women struggle with weight in general, but to acknowledge and understand that you have an
eating disorder, like, can you kind of walk us through that journey and how you've, well,
you're saying it's been the past, what, four years you started to really love yourself.
Can you kind of talk us about like what that journey has been for you therapy I love
therapy there is nothing that will fix you like therapy Mia and I I was like nervous to ask her
because I'm like oh god like is this rude to ask if she's no we need to normalize asking people yo
are you in therapy right I don't want you in my life unless you're in therapy are you actively
working on yourself last night I looked at Mia when she said yes I was like okay now I fuck with
you this is amazing we get along and then to ask each other like oh are like our significant others are you actively working on yourself? Last night I looked at me and when she said yes, I was like, okay, now I fuck with you.
This is amazing.
We get along.
And then to ask each other like,
Oh,
or like our significant others in therapy.
And we're like,
absolutely.
And I was like,
I will never date another guy that isn't in therapy.
No,
you're a child if you're not in therapy.
Yes.
So you got into,
what age did you get into therapy?
2016.
Okay.
Like five years ago,
I was 23,
24, maybe got it. Um, and it completely changed my life. And I, I've ago, I was 23, 24 maybe.
Got it.
And it completely changed my life.
And I've heard you say you need to try different therapists.
Totally.
And I fully agree with that.
It's like dating.
Yeah.
It's like dating.
It's like having a trainer.
It's like having a dermatologist.
Like you're not just going to mesh with the first one you go to.
And that's okay.
Yeah.
So your experience with therapy has helped you dealing with that body image. Not just the body image. A lot of other shit. Yeah. Yeah. Everything seems
to tie back to shame. It's the most powerful emotion a human can experience. It's crippling.
It's debilitating. It can change the way you look at yourself. You look at others. You,
it's the number one thing that you should probably work on. If you have any other surrounding issues, everything leads back to shame.
Well, I, that's what I wanted to talk about. So daddy and Mia and I had a conversation. I think
we're sitting here and obviously there is an event in your life that happened that I'm sure
you're tired of talking about. And it has definitely affected your life.
And everyone listening,
you may or may not know about that event.
We're not here to talk about the event.
I almost want to start now,
like after this porn scene goes viral,
who was that girl the minute that goes viral?
And like from then to now,
because last night you were saying
you're the happiest you've been in your life to have the most isolating feeling like you're alone.
You have people sending you death threats.
You have your family at the time not supporting you.
Where like where was your head at and like how did you get here today?
You know what I'm saying?
Like a lot of people wouldn't have been able to get through that mentally and your mental health. I'm wondering like, where were you mentally post
that video? So I don't know where I was because that is around the time that I started dissociating
and just compartmentalizing everything and pretending like things never happened to the
point where I didn't even talk about porn for the first like three years after.
I just went quiet, never spoke about it.
Anytime I would do an interview, that was the one thing they were not allowed to ask me about.
I refused to even acknowledge that I did it.
And it wasn't until therapy that I realized how detrimental that is.
I can't just scooch things under the rug and hope that they go away. That's not how it works. You have to face them head on and acknowledge them and talk about
them. It's, it's that feeling of like, I don't want to talk about it because I don't want to
bring attention to it, but I need to talk about it because I need to explain myself because everyone
is just misinterpreting the whole thing. Right. So it's that catch 22 of not wanting to bring it up and needing to bring
it up because it's the it's like the elephant in the room everywhere you go I remember last night
you saying like you're at first the your pseudo name Mia at first was like hard for you at times
to hear because you're like oh my god it probably brought you back to those days in porn and being
like I don't really want to associate with that person we were joking it was almost like the miley cyrus hannah montana effect where like you're living two
different lives yeah and that mentally can fuck with someone like if you're living two different
lives it can directly affect your mental health and it's like well which one who do you address
first mia or who you actually are and like how much of mia is you I guess I'm trying to understand like as a young
woman feeling so alone in those moments like if you were kind of not thinking about it what were
you doing in your life post that video like where did you go like what were you doing how were you
making money I was working as a paralegal at a law firm and then I was working as a bookkeeper at a construction firm
and then I was like okay I'm tired of living in this $500 a month efficiency it was disgusting
it was so bad cockroach infested it was the worst times of my entire life and you were not really
making money no no that was like such a like such a topic on the internet of like how is this girl
lying about how much money she was making?
Which I know you were vocal about how you basically didn't make any money from this,
the videos that you made.
And then they ended up making so much money and like, whatever that topic was, I'm sure
hard for you.
Cause then you're living in slumming it in a place that you're like, everyone thinks
I've made it.
Like I'm not, I don't have shit to my name right now.
I have like 2 million followers on Instagram.
Everyone thinks I'm living it up.
Like that is not the case.
And you had lost your Instagram. I did. 2 million followers on Instagram. Everyone thinks I'm living it up. Like that is not the case. And you had lost your Instagram.
I did, yeah.
It got hacked.
It got hacked.
And then I didn't create one for like a year
and then I created one in 2016
when I decided to move to Austin.
Why did you decide to come back to social media?
Because I knew at that point
there is no turning back.
Everyone knows who I am.
I can't work anywhere.
That's why I left the law firm job.
It was very uncomfortable for me to work there.
Well, actually, the company dissolved, but I was very uncomfortable working there.
Can you explain that experience?
Yeah.
It's very weird to go into a job interview thinking, oh, I'm just going to go back to
normal life and having the interviewer ask you if you did porn.
Right. There is nothing. do you think they're asking
you that because they knew yes yeah they recognized me and I went to a couple interviews where some
comments were made and then I finally got a job at the law firm and then I got a job working for
a friend's company at the construction firm and then I just realized I you feel uncomfortable I
feel uncomfortable everywhere I go.
Like I can't be sent into the field.
They have to be careful about who they let in the office because some subcontractors are creepy.
Like I started to feel like a burden
on the person who was taking a chance on me
and giving me a job.
Wow.
To say you felt like a burden to the people
that were giving you a job.
Yeah.
You are an educated, smart woman
who deserves to be at that job.
You made a decision in your life
that a lot of women make.
I've made a sex tape with a boyfriend
and maybe it didn't happen to go viral,
but there was a chance.
People's nudes get released.
People decide to do porn.
But I think back to the point of you being a paralegal,
the fact that you were a paralegal the fact that you
were a paralegal Mia like you're I didn't say I was a good one no I I know you were a good one
no but I can tell you're a smart educated woman so like I that was the first thing when I sat down
with you last night I was like this girl's fucking smart and the same way about you so but it's it's
crazy to then think that you had to feel you couldn't fully
get into a job and allow yourself to go full force at a job because you were being haunted
by a decision you made in your past yeah after you left and decided to get back into social media
what was your like mindset like who did you want to present to the world were you thinking that
you were going to have to completely remake yourself or you knew people were going to
comment like how did you think how did you kind of
strategize the way i got myself to austin was i started camming and i cammed in austin for about
a year before i decided okay i i don't want to do anything nude ever again can you explain camming
to people that yeah it's just like oh I had a very different experience with camming.
Okay.
I was probably the worst cam girl in history.
Mia, I love the authenticity.
I would leave the camera on in my empty room
and hear like the tips go off
knowing that they're trying to get my attention
to come back in,
but I'd be watching Netflix in the living room.
Shut the fuck up.
I was so bad.
You're like, guys, this is an unbelievable episode of America's Next Top Model.
I can't miss it.
Hold your money.
I'll be right back.
So you were just like not invested in it.
No, I was, I would, no, the entire time I was doing it,
I was trying to get my foot in the door doing other things.
Like I was writing for this website called Fansided.
I think their website hasn't been updated since
like 2005 it's just it's so bad but i was writing this like weekly column of my top seven picks in
football and doing all of these things so you're trying to venture out while also being like okay
i need to try to make a living and i'll try to do camming while i'm trying to figure out where can i
place myself and where will i be able to fit in not something sexually oriented yeah and complex took a chance on me and they gave me
a little gig hosting a show with my hero Gilbert Arenas that's amazing also yeah it went well
so you're living in Austin you go from camming trying to now find jobs you get a couple gigs
then where does your career take like where does it take you so you decide I'm done with camming. Yeah. When did you make the decision? Was that when you made the decision? Like I'm
completely done with anything sexual. Yes. I think it was June 17th, 2017. Were you nervous? Like in
that decision? No, no, because I gave myself a one year timeline and I did it in 11 months.
What do you mean a one year timeline? I only wanted to cam for one year. And if I didn't
figure it out, that fucking sucks. I guess I have to move back into an efficiency got it I don't want to do
this you gave yourself one year of like you can rely on this like sexual aspect of your career
but once that's it's done yeah so and we when you're saying Austin how did you end up in Austin
because you're saying I'm oh everything happened in Miami all Got it. My worst years of my life were played out in Miami, Florida.
Do you ever go back there?
I went back once.
Oh, my God.
Is it scary to go back?
It's so scary.
Like PTSD a little?
Yes.
Yes.
I'm very sensitive to, number one, smells, and number two, places.
Right.
So anytime I drive by a place where something happened or I have a memory there. It's like a visual trigger. Yes. Right. So anytime I drive by a place where like something happened or like I have a memory there.
It's like a visual trigger.
Yes, very.
So being back in Miami was like, God, there was streets I couldn't drive down.
There was places I couldn't go to.
Food I couldn't order.
We said we're going to keep it vague, but toxic manipulative relationships and men in your life.
What do you think was like the reason you got into them and how did you get
out of them?
I got into them because I didn't think highly of myself.
I thought that that was the best that I deserved.
And even more than that,
I thought,
let me overextend myself and over deliver and over just,
just do everything to the extreme to keep this person happy because they are the best that I can do.
Right.
I can't do any better.
How did you get out of, like, one of your most toxic relationships?
My most toxic one I actually got out of around the same exact time that I got out of porn.
Because I came to the realization that these two things correlate. Right. And I would not be here if it wasn't for
the other thing. So recognizing that made me, it made me, it made me grow pretty fast because
it made me realize a bunch of other things about myself and the decisions I make. But I think the
most that I took away from it was I have not been thinking for myself and I have been making
decisions with other people's best interests in mind, not my own. I've been trying to please
people who aren't worthy of that instead of taking care of myself and standing up for myself dude that's so profound
too because when I think back to our conversation last night of you being saying it went hand in
hand with deciding you were done with porn deciding you were done with a relationship
the way that you've spoken prior to like about that effect it had on your life it also makes sense then like how you almost probably
felt like so out of control of like wait wait and and i feel like everyone may have those moments
in your life where you go a little too far like you're dating the bad boy for a little too long
and then you're in jail right literally and then you're in jail or you wake up and you're like oh
god like i've been partying too hard and now i'm in jail or I got a DUI. And like you, when, after the video came out, how long after did it take you to be like,
what am I doing?
It took, it took a month or two.
Yeah.
It took long enough for me to realize I'm being put in danger.
I'm just going along with what people want to do.
And I'm putting myself in danger.
Like these aren't shackles.
I don't, I don't have to be here. No one, no one can force me to do this if I don't want to do and I'm putting myself in danger like these aren't shackles I don't I don't have to
be here no one no one can force me to do this if I don't want to and as soon as I realized that I
I knew I could get out but do you feel like what the minute you knew you get out and I guess that's
where it almost goes then to what we had been talking about about your job like a lot of girls
I feel like don't get out of it regardless of whether it's porn or a bad relationship or maybe you're not happy where you are in your life at like a job or
college like the the concept of getting out of something when you're so deeply not only deeply
ingrained but then in your situation to the extreme of like can I get out yeah is there
where am I going if I get out into an efficiency in north miami moving into the
cockroach infested efficiency that's how you get out right and so then you're like so so that that's
what i'm trying to understand like as a young you were 21 yeah as a 22 as like a young female with
you don't have the finances to be like oh i'm out of here i'm gonna go get myself a nice apartment
a lot of girls usually cling to bad relationships or in your case stay in something because they're like i have
nothing else how low mentally you had to have been to then how strong you were to be like as low as i
am i can't stay here did you ever think once you went to the efficiency to be like, I, should I just go
back? No, you didn't. No. And I, I did absolutely nothing for a year. I didn't decide maybe it
wasn't even, maybe I should go back. It was more so like I, I rationalized what camming was and I
knew that I could do it from a place where I felt safe. I could do it from my home. I don't need to see anyone or interact with anyone.
And I can do what I want to do.
Right.
So I rationalized that as this is the best decision I can make for myself in my life right now.
Now, I made the decision in a bad way.
I could have completely done it on my own.
But instead, I went back to a place I should not have and worked for them
got it people that yeah that you've known prior and that was my biggest mistake
had did you I'm interested to know because I think like the the theme of loneliness I'm sure
maybe you can tell me if I'm wrong but maybe that was probably the loneliest time in your life. Yeah. Did you have any friends that
like girlfriends at the time or were you so isolated? I was so isolated. I had no one but
the guy I was dating at the time and even then my only friends were were his friends. So I had
no women. I had no girlfriends. I didn't really speak to anyone from back home. Right. My family wasn't
talking to me. I just had these two dogs. I've had, I've had these two dogs since I was 18, 19.
Do you understand how that sounds? Like I'm trying to, like, I have so much respect for you because
I'm like, you decide to leave the porn industry. Your family is not in your life at that point.
You have a boyfriend that wasn't
obviously the best decision you're also saying so like you're alone how like how did you mentally
where like you were just blacking out like where how did you even cope with that like I'm I feel
so I want to give that girl a hug I feel like any female being by I mean man or a female like being
by yourself in that moment,
having no one to turn to no girlfriend, you can call and cry to like, who were you crying to yourself? And you're like, how did literally myself in that little efficiency on the Ikea bed?
Like I, I spent so much time in my, in my room just crying or going for drives because I felt
pretty free being able to drive and having a car.
And at that time, did you go out in public and people knew who you were?
That was one of the things that made me feel even more isolated.
I was so scared of going out in public because I was alone most of the time.
I saw my boyfriend Saturday, Sunday.
That was it.
You know, if I saw him that week.
But I was alone most of the time.
I was scared to go to the grocery store. I was scared to go do laundry. I was scared to go do anything that required me getting out of the confines of either a car or my four walls because I had already been at that
point followed to my car. Death threats, rape threats, everything you can think of, like thinking
at the time being banned from my home country like them literally saying you are not welcome back on our soil like all of these things that made me feel like no one knows what I'm going
through and I don't want to tell anyone because I don't feel like I don't feel like the people I do
talk to about it will be able to to fathom what I mean when I say I feel alone like I feel alone globally not just like oh I'm lonely right it's
not like oh I'm feeling lonely tonight yeah I am but it wasn't until I started talking about it
that I realized so many people feel this way for so many different reasons right you don't need to
have Twitter completely against you or an entire army on the internet coming after you for you to feel
this way. It can be something as small as your family. Just look at like girls that, oh, or men,
you have a family member that doesn't want to accept you and you feel lonely, or you have a
bad relationship with your parents or your friends. You lose a friend group or you're in college and
you find out that your best friend was talking shit on you.
And now it's like, do I need to find a new friend group?
Those are obviously lower to what your extreme was.
But like the concept of feeling so alone and having no one to go to is something every single person listening to this podcast can relate to.
Everyone is fighting a battle that they feel like telling someone about they won't understand when you I guess it's just fascinating to me you being
in that low place because like I said I have so much respect like how you were now sitting in this
amazing house like what do you have anything you remember other than those drives are amazing that
you're saying you took was there anything else that you would like have in your brain that kept
you going like did you have a goal or did you have like what was what was in your brain that kept you going? Like, did you have a goal or did you have,
like, what was, what was in your mind of like, I am so alone globally and I'm getting banished from
where I was literally born. Like, where did your head go to? Like, what kept you going in those
moments? I, I don't know. My number one, my dogs, like what kept me alive and kept me from actually
giving into thoughts that were entering my head was literally my dogs. I had no next of kin at that
point. I thought like I had no one to take them. I was the reason that they would be alive every day.
So they consumed my entire life. And that's why I love them so much. Especially this one,
my firstborn. You, you asked me yesterday, who's your favorite? I was like, Oh one my first born you you asked me yesterday who's your favorite I was like oh my first one but like right ask that right I know but I had to ask so your dogs which
like people can like laugh I think that's like very like reasonable are you kidding me a bond
with an animal absolutely makes sense my dogs and finding communities online like I found a little
sports community and I found I just found different different places
online that I felt like I could be myself and be at home and I didn't really start to feel like I
had a place in the world until I met my best friend in the entire world Rachel oh who by the
way is freaking out that I'm on this show we really yes shout out Rachel yes shout out Rachel
Ray I fucking love you we Rachel Ray not the chef Ray, not the chef and not the girl that Jay-Z
cheated with. Oh my God. That was her Instagram bio for the longest time. Wait, that is actually
amazing. I'm like Rachel Ray. Like really? Wow. Wait, how did you meet Rachel? Online on Twitter.
We started DMing each other. One day we realized we were wearing the same.
She posted a picture on her Twitter, and then I posted one on mine, and we realized we were wearing the same thing.
So we literally DMed each other, should we move in together?
Stop.
And I said, yes, I'll move to Austin right now.
So that is when I up and decided I'm moving to Austin.
I have a life in Austin now.
I have a friend.
I have my first girlfriend in years.
Wait, that's so interesting. Cause I'm going back to
social media for a lot of people is the antithesis of everything. They're like,
I hate it so much. It makes me feel small at that point. It was your escape completely.
Cause you didn't have to leave your house house it felt weird saying social media was my escape because social media was probably the spawn of most of my pain right
but in the beginning when you that i dude the fact that you couldn't go outside and you felt
so unsafe did you was it also safety but was it also like not i wouldn't i don't know if it's
the word paranoia but um like does that
has that man watched my video like is he staring at me through my clothes type shit my anxiety would
completely take over and I couldn't look anyone in the eyes without wondering oh my god how they
do they know right do they know have they yeah those thoughts oh like even even being in this
room right now like I that that goes through my head and makes me feel uncomfortable to like walk by people or get too close or like all of these
things like wondering like oh did they have they googled me before like have they looked at my
shit before like is that something that like still stays with you today yeah and you're working on
that there I am working on it yeah I try and ground myself when my when my thoughts go to that and i try and think and right yeah like where where what has you have you gotten in therapy
from that like where do you are you trying to get mentally when you go out and because i imagine
public settings for you i understand now like full ptsd anxiety driven yeah has this person
looked me up before?
Not that there's any fucking thing wrong with it, but understanding that in the beginning
after that video came out, judgment, societal judgment and shame was put on you.
You can feel however you want about it and you can have your, oh, I shouldn't have done
that.
Or, oh, I wish I had.
But for other people to place judgment on you, that's where I have the issue of like,
why do people continue to bring it up?
Nothing is changing from the decision you made and to be the woman you are today it frustrates me to see people still commenting on a decision you made seven years ago if we all
fucking brought out our skeletons in the closet and continue to bring them up every fucking time
you post a picture or something it frustrates me that that is one negative social media that they
can make things live forever that don't need to live forever people grow people change um and again like i said you did nothing
wrong so i guess the rachel you finding a friend because that's i mean any daddy gang listening
like i think back to like you're saying you didn't have a girlfriend it was the first time i felt
unconditional love in probably since I was a teenager so you
meet online did she know who you were yeah yeah okay we met on twitter like she full-on knew who
I was right from the beginning did not care and from the beginning was my bulldog and she was the
only reason I was able to go out and enjoy things in Austin because for the first time in my life I
felt like I have someone in my corner if like something happens or if someone comes up to me and tries to tries to do something or say something right because prior to
that you had been fully alone and then any man in your life was also had a hidden agenda so
trust also issues must be huge for you she really helped me rebuild my trust in people in general
and I think that if it wasn't for her I wouldn't be in a place in my life where, where I could,
where I could have someone who deserved me.
Right.
That's interesting.
I think like, it's so crazy because friendship is so underrated.
Cause I feel like a lot of time in the podcast, I'll talk about like, who is your significant
other?
And half the time you couldn't maybe have gotten to a place to have a significant other.
Had you not found Rachel first because Rachel was showing you unconditional
love.
And I'm sure the relationship and the dynamic between you and men was so
threatening to you mentally at the time from what you had just gone through.
So then to have a female in your life,
maybe that was like the best opportunity for you to like, start to put your toe in the water of like, can I trust people now?
Has your, let's talk a little bit about with regard to your relationships.
I know you had mentioned that you had a very toxic relationship that was, you were young and
whatever, and you felt like it was very strange, imbalanced relationship of him
being older, you being younger. I've had, I've been in three relationships in my life, including
my, my, me and my husband right now. Got it. Um, the first relationship I was ever in was the most
naive facade of a relationship you could ever imagine. I don't, I don't even want to call it a relationship because I was,
I got married four days after my 18th birthday.
Yeah.
If a guy ever says you're mature for your age,
fucking run,
run the other way and call the police probably to be safe.
That is like,
that is,
I'm too old for you,
but I'm not cool enough for any girls my age.
Like the motto.
The littling of you.
No,
that is, that is their motto. That's like what they wear on the patch that lets others know, Hey, I'm a cool enough for any girls my age like the motto. The littling of you. No that is that is their motto.
That's like what they wear on the patch that lets others know hey I'm a groomer.
Right.
Like I'm going for younger girls.
Yes.
And you're so mature for being a younger girl.
Yes.
You're so mature for your age.
Like it was ridiculous.
You started dating when you were 16?
Yes.
That's fucking young as shit.
It was very young.
So you kind of were like unaware even of really what you were doing. And then I was immediately thrown into the wife role and the,
I need to please him,
keep him,
like do all of these things to make,
to not make him lose attention or to,
to not make him lose his focus on me.
Right.
His interest.
Yeah.
Yes.
But do you,
do you think that was,
um,
half in your head,
half the way he was treating you or was it fully by the way he was treating you? Or was it fully by the way he was treating you?
Or do you think it was still in that self-validation?
Like, I need him to love me, love me, love me.
I think I was vulnerable enough to where everything that he tried went through like a hot knife and butter.
Got it.
It was just too easy because I was so low mentally.
Yeah.
I didn't see anything in myself.
I didn't see anything special or worthy
or important. And I just, I let him tell me what I was worth. That's like a deep ass statement.
Cause we talked about that last night. I remember we were exactly where we're standing in the
kitchen and we talked about how, how unhappy you are with yourself directly affects the partners you choose. And that's why it's so
important to have, you don't have to have a lot, but like friends around you. And that's probably
why it was hard for you to get out of these things too. Because like you said, you didn't have anyone
to be like, Hey, um, Mia. Yeah. I was so isolated. He moved me across the country and I didn't,
I was in a completely different time zone than everyone else I ever knew. I was in a new place every like one, like how, how to get out? Like, it's not easy. Like, and it's a process.
And I know friends and family members who have been in toxic situations that it's like,
it's okay if it takes you a year to first start self-actualizing and having the conversation,
like how would it look if I leave him and how would this and, and your safety and what's going to happen? Like there's so many things that go into leaving, but for you
specifically using your own story, like how could you help younger women or, or women that are
married right now? Who fucking knows how old you are, young you are. How did you personally be like
enough is enough? Because I couldn't imagine going back to the way things were after I,
after I came to the realization of this is, this is not me. This isn't what I want to do.
And it'll be hard and scary. And I do not know what that road looks like, like at all. Right.
I was fucking terrified, but I knew that I could not go back to that relationship because it would
still be that same vicious cycle of right the his perverse
thoughts and his fetishes and all of these things that I no longer wanted to be a part of or play
into or placate or pretend like I had interest in right because at that point I realized you don't
deserve me I am better than you yes full judgment yes bitch I'm so much better than you. Yes. Full judgment. Yes. I'm so much better than you. Yes. Oh my God. I
want to like cry, but it's so hard to tell women like you're better than that. What you need is to
it's first working on yourself to even know what you need and who you are and what you're not just
working on yourself, but talking to the people around you and not being stuck in that, in that
mindset of they're not going to
understand if I tell them they're going they won't be able to comprehend the things that I'm going
through yeah take that step it's scary but take that step and talk to people first a relationship
I wanted to talk to you about in the sense of like unconventional sex and things that, you know, there are some girls that are like,
Hey, like my boyfriend, um, wants me to peg him.
Is he gay?
Like you've had sexual relationships where, or a sexual relationship where you were like,
Oh, this was different.
Yes.
And, and the process of how it transpired and how it unfolded in him explaining to you
what he wanted.
Um, can you, can you explain that?
Because I think it's not, we're not shaming anyone.
It's almost like you want to explain the process of how it was presented to you.
Yeah.
And in an accepting way.
Like we want to talk about it.
It's call her daddy.
Like, can you explain what that dynamic was sexually?
It was the most unconventional and eye-opening sexual dynamic I've ever been a part of.
And I'm not going to say who the person was.
You don't need to.
But I do feel like it was very much a shared experience.
And I was 50% of that.
Great.
And it then becomes one of my life experiences as well.
And I treasure it and I'm still curious about it yeah so I want to talk about it because
I've never talked about it before yeah yeah I had a relationship with a guy who was very curious
about being the woman in the relationship and dressing dressing the part acting the part to
the extent of me pegging him and me playing the part of the man
yep and it started very gradually like early in the relationship testing the waters with
just my underwear and then it extended into my lingerie and then it extended into getting him
his own lingerie and his size and then it went into full-on wardrobe and outfit and shoes and wigs like really good quality wigs
you're like well we're spending a lot on this this is high quality sex baby four hundred dollars on
a wig one holy shit so and and um Mia Swatka through because I remember you had said like
how did how did he first engage like how did he first let you know that he was interested in this
like it was so minor basic right it was yeah it was like very small steps right and I think he at the same time was was experimenting with it I
don't think it was something that was he was also you're saying like coming to this in his own like
he had never fully gone through this so we were very vocal with each other about about what we
wanted to try next and what he wanted to do next. And I just kind of was like,
we're down.
This is your safe space.
I,
you tell,
you tell me what you want to do next and I will do what I can to make that a
safe,
comfortable,
enjoyable experience for you.
So that ended up being the only relationship where I was cheated on in my
life.
Like that was one of the worst relationships.
The guy that you pegged.
Yes.
Wait,
what an asshole. Yes. You give him the dick and he goes to find new dick? Oh my God. Not only
that. Do you know how expensive fake boobs are? No. Not like my fake boobs, but like fake boobs
to put on him, to put on a man. Yeah. You bought him. I invested so much into that. Really? I bought
myself a dick and you tits. Okay. And where do I get, where does that get me cheated on? Wait,
you bought him boobs. Yes. And you bought him w, where does that get me? Cheat on. Wait, you bought him boobs.
Yes.
And you bought him wigs.
Yes.
Why were you buying it?
Not him.
Just cause you had the money or no.
Yeah.
You were just do, or you were just go to the store and get the shit.
Yeah.
I would go and like, try it on and got it like the wigs and stuff.
So you were fully committed to this, which is great on you.
And we, didn't you say last night that was some of the best sex you had ever had though?
Yes. Because it was just, it. sex you had ever had though? Yes.
Because it was just like all your inhibitions were both on.
You're just like,
we're trying something so different when someone puts all of their guards
down and no pun intended,
but they're right in front of you and probably the most vulnerable position
they will ever be in their entire life.
You can't help but feel a connection.
The vulnerability aspect.
Yeah.
Like,
sorry, but pegging your dude in front of you, like that man is on all fours. I mean, help but feel a connection. The vulnerability aspect. Like, sorry, but pegging
your dude in front of you, like that man is on all fours. I mean, that becomes a shared experience.
Like what we did isn't just his experience. It was also mine. And it made me question things
about myself. Like I liked being in that male role. I really thoroughly enjoyed that, like
genuinely. And I think I'm conscious enough now like as old
as I am after all the therapy I've been in to recognize the difference between doing something
to please a man and doing something that I also enjoyed do you think that had anything to do and
I could be reaching her but do you think it also had anything to do with like you've been so out
of control in some things in your life that like maybe it was kind of hot for you to you to
be the one I think a lot of people write it off as oh she's a boss at work so she or no she's he's
a he's a boss at work so now he wants to be like treated like uh I think a lot of people write it
off as being that but what but what I came face to face with was my own gender identity and like
questioning who am I who do I who do I think I am like who do I want
to be what role do I want to play do I want to be in a relationship with a woman where I can be
slightly more masculine and enjoy that dynamic and fascinating that opened my eyes to it and
therapy also opened my eyes to the possibility of that is probably the case. It's not, it's not just,
oh, you know, I'm a boss at work. Yeah. It's, it's, that's pretty surface level to thought.
I, that's fascinating. You had, you had those thoughts prior to that relationship or no,
I was in, I was in a relationship with a woman when I was a teenager and she was,
she was, she was incredible. And I've, I've always loved women I've never I've never written off
dating a woman but it made me it made me question what type of relationship I would be in if I was
in a relationship with a woman and it made me realize I think I think I would want to play
the not play I don't I don't even know how to talk. This is actually my first time ever talking about it. No, I appreciate it because I know so many men and women write in.
And what would my, I think it was more of like, what would my role be?
Yeah.
It made me question what I want, whether I want to be with a man or whether I want to be with a woman and feel that way.
Because I really liked the tenderness that came along with taking care of the version right of him that you know we explored
together i kind of love that too that you're saying like you both were getting so much out
of that dynamic yeah and i think that's a huge point for sexual exploration to daddy gang listening
it has to be mutual yes and you have to create a safe space for the person who is just being extra vulnerable.
Yeah, being the most vulnerable.
Yeah.
Can we talk about the thing that I told you right before this interview?
What?
Malala.
Daddy King.
Oh, my God.
And this is what I wanted to talk to her about because I was saying, you know I I wrote down I was like the question of how far do we let the
public go in defining us as women before we take over and define ourselves and I am what I'm
reading online before this interview and I'm looking up that Pakistani education activist
Malala who is the youngest woman to just win a Nobel Peace Prize you tweet
at her no I commented on her TikTok and so you comment on one of her TikTok saying queen yes
and she comments recently created one and she comments back and Mia didn't even know this
until I sat down today news to me I started freaking out wait no you sat down and you were
like can I ask you about Malala and I'm like why why are we talking about Malala and like because of the article I was just reading and how she
commented back to you and she's getting scrutinized on the internet I think I got up screamed and ran
for my phone the article discusses how she commented back to you and said my bestie and
she's getting was getting scrutinized on the internet for having any type of relation with you and it frustrated me in the sense that
like the relationship between the two of you and who you are as women that says so much to me about
that relationship why is this woman getting scrutinized for for something that happened
in your past seven years ago yeah like that makes no fucking sense to me yeah and so i thought that that article was profound in the sense of like people on the
internet just want to bring up negative shit to bring up negative shit yeah you have two
unbelievably educated women who are yes in their careers doing different things but at the end of
the day the fact that she has she has respect for you and you have respect for her and then there's people shitting on her for associating with you how has that affected you mentally in like have
you had issues with people not wanting to work with you or like backlash like explain that kind
of yeah I mean I've been rejected from a lot of female hosted podcasts like oh not not brand safe
sorry like oh well on call her daddy here sweetheart
we don't focus on brand safe we focus on real and authentic we focus on not losing our sponsors
every week yeah well I thankfully I have sponsors that trust me so here we go thank god but no I
know what you're saying so people have have turned you away I've had brands turn me away I've had
podcast hosts turn me away I've had people tell other people not to associate with me because of my past.
Like, I'm very used to having that door shut in my face.
But it hurts a little bit more when it comes from women.
And it hurts a little, like, it hurts even more when I see other women getting shit for interacting with me. Like, Mina Harris started getting shit for following me on Twitter
and saying, how can you be in the position of leadership you are
and follow a girl who's on OnlyFans or follow a girl who did this?
And I started to have imposter syndrome.
Like, yeah, I'm not worthy.
Yeah, this woman is a badass leader.
Her female voice is so incredible and impactful.
I started having thoughts of, I should probably just deactivate my Twitter.
I'm not worthy of having a follow from her.
I'm embarrassed for anything that's ever been on my Twitter, anything I've ever said,
because I don't want to disappoint this person.
And this person is like clean and untouched.
And you know what I mean?
Well, I think Mia think mia one she clearly sees
something in you she made the decision to follow you no one forced her to follow you so give
yourself a little bit more credit because seriously like she followed you for a reason
also like thinking about how i've changed as a person in the past year past two years past three
years not saying that you need to change and like we need to wipe
clean anything you've done you've done nothing wrong it's not change it's growth that's what
we've done we've gotten older we've grown we've learned we we see a version of ourselves that we
want to be and we go after it and to be put down like mine is on such a smaller scale so i never
want to compare but like but you run the biggest podcast in the world no but like we talked about
this last night i was like i have had in the beginning before it got big, my family, people were looking
at my family like your daughter is a slut.
Your daughter is talking about blowjobs.
Your daughter is your daughter is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And my mom got frustrated because the only comments that were ever made was like, what
does her father think?
What does her dad think?
Yeah.
Why?
Why?
Why?
What is it about my dad that what's
the difference my mother birthed me why are they so focused on the daughter to father dynamic and
it's just because of societal stigma that people have put on that the dad must be so disgraced that
the daughter and it's like what the fuck you just encapsulated middle Eastern female issues in one fell swoop.
Really?
Yeah.
That was insane.
The first thing that an Arab woman gets asked is, what family are you from?
Who's your father?
Like, anytime someone sees them doing something haram or just not up to their standards, the
first thing they're asked is, what family do you come from?
And it's like, what does it matter what family? I don't speak for them. They don't speak for me. I am my own person. It doesn asked is what family do you come from and it's like what does it matter what family i don't speak for them right speak for me i am my own person it doesn't matter
what yeah what does it have to do with my family same thing like they need to judge your entire
lineage based on the decisions they are watching you make and and then it goes now to someone
following you on in or twitter now it goes all the way to that to be like why does someone following
you that doesn't mean that
that person believes everything you do yeah but why it's just so crazy to me like and i think
it's been frustrating as females to sometimes like try to have a voice and then people can't
fully take us seriously when we talk about sex or we have had a sexual past like fuck first of all
fuck all of you because you've all had sex you're alive
because your parents were fucking maybe i have a sex take somewhere that's gonna come out am i not
allowed to do something because like mia has porn oh my god so that defines you for the rest of your
life it just it really aggravates me to think about like the dynamic of how something in your
past can continue to like people are saying haunt you why oh I mean it goes both ways too it's either
it haunts me like how dare you have done that or I get shit for doing anything I do now like I'm on
OnlyFans doing non-nude and people are mad at me for number one not being nude or number two
having the audacity to be on a site like OnlyFans and not do nude content. Wait, can you explain that?
Yeah, what is your, well, one,
how did you decide not to post nude content on OnlyFans?
I just haven't done nude content.
I was on Patreon before,
and I just decided to switch platforms.
I was tired of Patreon.
It wasn't user-friendly.
I hated running it.
It was too much work.
I just decided to do what I was doing on Patreon,
but on a different platform
and i didn't think much of it and the reason i switched to only fans is honestly it was meant
to just be not i needed to raise a hundred thousand dollars okay to send to the lebanese
red cross after the beirut blast and i thought only fans everyone's on only fans it'll be the
best way to make money.
And then I got shit for using money I made off OnlyFans
to donate to the Lebanese Red Cross.
People were like, how dare you
send this dirty whore money to Lebanon?
We don't need this. Like, what?
Wait, what?
You need spam.
You're not in a position to pick and choose
where the money is coming from.
You are graciously offering.
The lira is worth, like, a fraction of a cent.
You have no place to sit and nitpick where the money is coming from to the Lebanese Red Cross.
Wait, so did they accept the money?
That's not on them.
It's, yes, the Lebanese Red Cross, except, donate to the Lebanese Red Cross.
Holy shit.
They'll accept money from anyone. It wasn't the people who were actually in charge of getting it it was backlash
from lebanese people now there was also a lot of support and a lot of appreciation from lebanese
people but what i'm saying is you cannot please anyone you can't anyone it's like me is like i'm
gonna use my only fans and i'm gonna take all my money a hundred thousand dollars and i'm gonna put it to an amazing cause and then they're like that's disgusting mia
that's from only fans as you're not stripping you're not doing and if you were if you were
fucking putting a dildo in your pussy who gives a shit you're giving to an organization and it's
like a cause that you are passionate about how has your relationship we're swerving here but like I'll go back to OnlyFans in a second how has your relationship after being banned you were banned
from Lembadon for how long until they decided that you know I was allowed to come back recently
right okay and my relationship with my home country has changed 180 in the last year. And it was, it was after the Beirut blast
that people really started to, to, to realize what is important in life. Like every, everyone
was taking stock of, of things in their life. And I think a lot, a lot of people were just
more open-minded. We were all just in a set in, in a mindset of we're Lebanese. We need to protect
each other. We need to protect each other.
We need to support each other.
Exactly.
Like there's not many of us
and even our own are trying to kill us.
Like we have to stick together.
And that is when the conversation around me
and Lebanon changed.
And I'm so thankful for it
because I think that has to do with why I feel like
I'm in such a good place in my life.
Can you explain to me what is your career right now?
And like, where are you kind of like seeing it going?
I'm at a weird place in my career right now
where I can take it any direction I want.
And I'm so fortunate for that.
I have so many exciting things ahead.
But right now I'm loving being on OnlyFans.
I'm seriously loving it.
And it's not just me being on there
that I'm enjoying. I'm really enjoying learning about the sex work community and getting to know
sex workers and hearing all of these different people's stories and their experience in the
industry. And I think, I think it's very, very important to acknowledge that sex workers need to be treated better and need to have more protection.
But I also think it's important to acknowledge the amount of grooming that takes place online when people start glamorizing the industry and porn and all of these things that are really detrimental for young women who are watching and listening and thinking, looking for an out, honestly, and seeing someone post like that and instantly think this is
my escape because it's not.
I don't encourage people to go into the sex work industry, but I also will like die to
protect people who are in it, especially in the the last year like just getting to know so many sex
workers and people who basically taught me how to be on only fans because I for for for as much as
I'm considered a sex worker I know fucking nothing about the industry and I want to learn because I
think it's irresponsible for me to be this quote unquote face of it for better or worse and
not know what's going on with the people who are actually in the industry.
That's fascinating because I respect you a lot for saying that, that you've at one point
really tried to take yourself out of that world and now being on OnlyFans and knowing
there are sex workers on there there you do want to continue to
educate yourself on a world you were previously fully ingrained in took yourself out of and now
i remember seeing you doing an interview and you had said um even just something as different as
adjusting when a say it's a porn company is handing a young girl a contract kind of like what
we were joking about in the perpetuity aspect when you're handing a young girl a contract kind of like what we were joking about
in the perpetuity aspect when you're handing a young girl a contract just as simple as she's
not allowed to sign it that day what about even just putting instilling that type of rule just
because like you said you're sitting there with men staring at you as you're about to sign this
contract the word perpetuity is on there you don't know what it means but they're staring at you and
you're feeling a little bit like i guess i should just sign this because there's three men staring at
me and like i don't understand half of these words and it's like embarrassing and you don't feel like
you're you just are like i guess i should sign it for it to almost be instilled that like
there needs to be some type of guidance there needs to be a lawyer in the room to help someone
understand what they're signing protection because if the industry is allowed to target 18 year old girls those girls need protection in place you just as
young females or males signing something that you don't have an understanding of is detrimental
especially when you're in your adolescent age of your brain is still forming how are you going to
make a smart decision when you don't even understand what's in front of you exactly i mean
there's so many things it's going to be cool to see what happens with our relationship because we had talked about last night the whole like child pornography thing and like what happens when you're younger.
And if a girl I didn't realize that when a girl's picture, if she takes a news and sends it to her boyfriend, most of the time they don't prosecute if it gets spread around because the female underage female also gets prosecuted for distribution of
underage porn even though it's her it's a double-edged sword so no she can't she these
girls are backed their back is against a wall because they can't report their image being
circulated and sent around by the guy they sent it to because then they would be admitting to procuring distributing taking
underage pornography how is that even it's so fucked up that's like what did we say last night
we're like let's put our suits on what will we wear we need to write a bill alex can you imagine
to get yes we need yes i can actually that's the scary part episode has taken a turn mia and alex are
talking about passing a bill we will be there in our night we are going to be legislators dude i
mia i think sitting down with you has been one of my favorite interviews just because i can tell how
one genuine well you are genuinely authentic so smart so educated but also with your past to be sitting with you today you you can tell
you've done the work you can tell that you have been through an experience but it's kind of as
much as I said last night like although you would maybe take it back when you were younger like
would you be sitting here had all this not happened you know what I mean I think I think
that I would I would take back the reason why I made the decisions I made.
Yep.
But, man, it made me grow up very fast.
For better or worse, it made me grow up.
I did not get to have the same early 20s as most people my age.
And I don't know if I regret that because I think that I would be in a different place at 28 than I am now if I did.
I think to hear the way you talk about your husband and to hear the way that you talk about your life right now, my friend Lauren and I are so corny recently, but we keep saying, I really do believe everything happens for a reason.
You may not have met him.
You may not, we may not even be sitting here.
You know what I mean? And so to look at the positives of at what one point in your life was the darkest place in your
life to see the woman you are today and to meeting you. And I feel like I've learned so much from you
already. And I've, this is the second day I've hung out with you. It's inspiring, honestly,
to be in your presence. So thank you. Thank you so much for coming on call her daddy. I'm cheering
up. Thank you for coming on call her daddy. I hope that I hope I'm excited to see where your journey takes you in your career. And I'm excited to see where we end up. I feel like we're already friends. Yeah, me too. Thank you. Seriously, thank you for putting out the things that you put out because you have no idea who you're inspiring and how much you're inspiring them. You made me, you made me feel like
I can literally do anything I want. I can start a podcast if I want. Like I cannot believe she's
doing it on her own, editing it, writing it, doing everything on her own. And also dealing with all
of this shit she's dealing with, facing the internet, sitting in front of a camera with
amazing lighting and talking about all of it. Amazing lighting. God, it took a minute to get that. New York apartment had great windows. It
did. Great windows, great exposure. I love the way you had your wall set up with all of the
shelves. It was so cute. Yeah. We love it. No, thank you. I have chills just like talking about
that video. You seriously made me feel like, oh my God, anything is possible. Thank you, Mia.
You've been amazing daddy gang go
show her love tag yourself where they love you daddy it's just mia khalifa go follow her on all
things social media go subscribe to her only fans so she can continue to use her money for good
i love you i love you okay dude that was great thank you so much daddy gang that is it for this week I hope you guys
enjoyed that episode it was one of the most rewarding interviews I've ever done um having
gotten to know Mia on a personal level on a interviewing podcast level it all was such an
unbelievable experience I hope you guys took
something from this interview I know I did and as if this day could not get any better
I wanted to give you guys a quick update that all of the merch that I have ever released in my life night is going on sale everything is 30 off alex huh what yes you heard that right bitches i have
been working on an entire new merch line and as i work on that i thought why the fuck not do a nice
fat fire sale and get you bitches hook the fuck up so go now it will be for a limited time and
obviously i'm only promoting it on the podcast
for a little bit so you guys can go first get your merch today go to barstool.com go shop call her
daddy and get yourself hooked up with some nice call her daddy gear because i know you bitches
just like me are unwell daddy gang you know the motherfucking drill i will see you fuckers next
wednesday fucking drill I will see you fuckers next Wednesday