Call Her Daddy - 117- Backstabbing D*ck (ft. Madison Lewis)

Episode Date: April 14, 2021

DADDY GANG. This week we are diving into the truth behind a very public and messy TikTok real-life drama. Four best friends - two men, two women, now entwined in the ultimate cheating scandal. Madison Lewis’s boyfriend went behind her back and started a relationship with her best girlfriend. The raw emotion and heartache that unfolds in this episode is relatable whether you have 100 followers on social media, or 11 million. Betrayal, backstabbing, public embarrassment, and eventually following your gut to a very hurtful truth... TUNE IN FOR THE LIVE DRAMA AND STORY.

what is up daddy gang it is your single father alex cooper with call her daddy holy shit the tea is fucking hot what the fuck is up daddy king it is your founding father for another episode of call her daddy hello everyone it's alex last week we had someone on that is in her 40s that essentially carved the path for us and this generation and blew the motherfucking doors off of misogyny. And now today, I have an 18-year-old on the show. You may have no idea who this person is. You may be here because you know who this person is, and this is your first Call Her Daddy episode.

You may be so ingrained in that TikTok drama, your finger hurts. You go to bed looking at TikTok drama. You dream about TikTok drama. Your mom has to pull your phone out of your hands to eat dinner and not focus on TikTok drama. Or you could be on the complete other side of this and you don't give a fuck about TikTok drama. Either way, that doesn't really matter today. What matters today, Daddy Gang, is this story is real. It is relatable. It is your friend. It's your older sister. It's your classmate.

It's your best friend. It's you. Daddy Gang, first today, we're starting surface level. So I can give you a little bit of background about what you're about to hear. This story is about two women dating two men and they're all best friends. They're one big happy family. Can't you tell that's about to not be the case? They're all best friends. And then all of a sudden, imagine that your best friend and your boyfriend go behind your back, decide they like each other and start hooking up.

First, the betrayal from your fucking boyfriend. Nice fucking piece of shit that you are. Imagine the betrayal from your best friend. The fact that your boyfriend was willing to fuck over his best friend to go for a girl. Bro, that's weak shit weak shit but then there's so much more to it daddy gang this isn't just a story about tiktok drama this is a story about our guest today had a gut feeling and we've all had that gut feeling your intuition specifically i believe a woman's intuition is never fucking wrong she had a gut feeling. Your intuition, specifically, I believe a woman's intuition is never fucking

wrong. She had a gut feeling and she followed it. She knew something was off and she posted a video on social media. Emotional? Yes. But with her gut feeling, knowing something was off? Yes. And instead of people willing to hear her side, she got attacked by millions of people. Oh my God. She's so dramatic. Oh my God. You're crazy. Oh my God. You're so bitter. You're so big. You're so was she, was she crazy or was she just telling the fucking truth? Whoa. The fucking drop. I was like, whoa, guys today, this young woman. And I say young with nothing but respect because as you hear her story, as I heard her story, I truly cannot imagine. I have no fucking idea. And I would love you all to reflect too. I have no fucking clue what I

would have done at 18 years old with 11 million people tuning into my life and having a say in my relationship as it basically crumbles on social media. Can we all just take a pause for two seconds and really think about that? Think about your shittiest breakup in high school, in college, your marriage, you got divorced. I don't give a shit what stage of your life you're in, the lowest moment that you felt. And now imagine 11 plus million people following that. Daddy gang, the guest today walked into the studio and literally had the final chapters of this drama and her relationship revealed to her half an hour before we started recording this episode. It's about to be fucking emotional, but that's exactly what you would expect when you're going through a

heartbreak. Now the fucked up part, listen, you guys know, I was about to say, you guys know I'm not an asshole, but I absolutely will be an asshole when I need to be an asshole. People were ignoring our guest today. They weren't answering her texts. They weren't calling her back. They were publicly shitting on her. And then all of a sudden this week, she started getting texts back and she started getting calls back.

Why? Why do you fucking think the douchebags and the assholes found out that she was coming on call her daddy oh i no shit all of a sudden now they're like hey hey um just double checking you know like it's really sad what happened but like no hard feelings right and like you're gonna speak highly of me and like, blah, blah, blah. And like, and you're going to end, end, end, end what mother fucker? She owes you shit because you treated her like shit. And for you to tell her not to go onto a podcast and try to silence her daddy gang. I'm going to say no more because i don't need to speak for this woman she can speak for herself all i have to say is madison lewis welcome to the fucking daddy gang

are you okay no i'm gonna die oh my god a lot of fucking shit about happened this morning i'm so sorry i'm like meeting like this oh my god you didn't have to i'm so sorry okay do you want to like talk about it are you fine to talk about it or no yeah i'm fine um i don't know oh my god have you ever have you seen all this shit that's going on okay i like started to try to pay attention when i like i saw your like sort of your side and i was like i felt really bad for you because you're 18 years old and i was like if i post if i had your platform at 18 i would be canceled in two seconds like the shit i was doing in college and i'm like you guys have it so rough as much as people like tiktokers I've been doing it since I was in sixth grade wait you have I'd be a senior in high school

right now but I graduated early okay you so there's more drama yeah I found out this morning that Jaden liked Nessa so yeah go me he told me over text and i have the text so he can't deny it yeah i i'm not laughing i'm like no you're fine i'm laughing what a fucking piece of shit yeah nobody knows the whole story and i get my point like i made myself look fucking crazy as shit for posting that tiktok but i was mad but did you i was mad i had every right to fucking post that and yeah i was mad my intentions weren't to hurt josh my intentions weren't to hurt jayden like my intentions were to show that like fuck you nest out honestly she used to be my best friend we lived together okay okay i'll talk about

it okay i don't care i because i told jayden I wouldn't talk about it on Barstool. And here we fucking go. Fuck you, Josh. Do you like Josh? Josh is one of my best friends. I've known Josh for like three years now. He was my best friend. He's known me even in my past relationships.

And he was like my best friend. He fucking hates me now. Okay. It's going to be okay. Thank you. I'm here. Don't worry. We can talk about it i don't care i'm just gonna bawl my eyes out you can that's fine um okay this is i'm i already i'm like emotional for you right now because i have been there where you find out that your boyfriend i mean

just think about it like she's my best friend i don't give a fuck if she's not my friend anymore I like I wish her the best but it's like you were my best friend and I know like like we can start recording okay okay okay let's start recording okay um I first I was gonna ask you like how the fuck you got into social media like all this I can tell you the whole fucking story yeah because I'm like you are so young yeah and i think like i wanted to have you on because i'm like i feel like so many people are like oh my god tiktokers are so fucking stupid they're embarrassing they have no talent and i'm like i understand what you're trying to get at but i also have to say like if i was fucking 18 right now and had the platform that you have it's not like college when i would post it in

college it's like okay my friends can get pissed at me and then you like discuss it in the dining hall you're like oh and 11.6 million people are following you how did you get into social media i got into social media well first off i downloaded instagram when i was in fifth grade um so that was like eight years ago nine years ago and i i would just did it for fun whatever and then my friend in sixth grade showed me this app called musically which is what tiktok was before it was like you know tiktok and i did it for fun and it was an app where you just lip sync and just like you know live your best life like no one judged you at all like social media was so fun back then honestly i just

don't think it's fun anymore um but so yeah i started on musically and then and i was getting featured and featured just like this little red box that like goes on your videos and it like shows like the app shows you like, oh, they like your content. And it was called the featured page instead of the for you page, which for me is so crazy because I've seen this app like evolve and like develop into like what it is now. And then, so I kind of blew up on there. There's a thing called crown, which is verified, got verified on there at like 5,000 followers, like really like not that many

followers at all and then you know i just i just did it you know just have fun and then i started to blow up and then i got a million followers two million three million i got three million followers and then i stopped doing it because it changed to tiktok i went to that party two three years ago i think it was three years ago in november when that party was like transforming from musically to tiktok were like, and TikTok is here. And me and my friends were like, you know, like Baby Ariel, Zach Clayton, Jacob Sartorius, Lauren Gray. We were all like, that's stupid.

Like we had our time. The app is kind of childish now. We're going up. Let's just pursue our dreams and acting, singing, dancing, modeling, everything. Because, you know, we believed in ourselves. And then we were like, you know what? There's a new wave of people that we could be friends with. You know, being in social media is really hard, like making friends with people and because people judge you for like lip syncing and stuff like that and you know a lot of people in my hometown didn't believe in me and believe in

me and a lot of people related that like people doing social media i'm sure you hometown people are like what the fuck are you doing yeah you got famous for lip syncing right and so we were like okay let's do it and we all just did tiktok and we realized wait it's actually kind of fun it's not toxic i mean it's the same thing just a different name and we're like you know what let's do it you can kind of tell we are musers because we did like our videos in fast motion right and so we kind of transformed it into a tiktoker and then i was still verified on there because i was like you verified on musically and then i now i have 11 million followers on there which is insane i love my supporters so much i always call them supporters

because i feel like they're family to me, and I love them, and I wish them the best, honestly. And then I did YouTube after I did Musical.ly, and I used to get a lot of views on there. I just stopped doing it because it was really draining, mentally draining, filming your videos, editing your videos, and just feeling like you have to film your life. You know what I mean?

So I actually started saying this quote, just remember you're beautiful, which is AYB, which is my merch comes in. I use the symbol of a butterfly because for me, a butterfly is like a butterfly can't see how pretty it is. And a butterfly is one of the most beautiful insects ever. Their wings are so vibrant, so bright, and they can't see that. And so I always resemble myself as a butterfly because it matters what's on the inside, not what you can actually see on the outside. Because in my opinion, I don't think anyone's like beautiful unless your soul's beautiful and i'm not like degrading people's looks i'm just no i totally get i see

that on your instagram yeah i i love that you do that it's like really dope that you're like always posting that always hashtagging that i think like a lot of women obviously and girls like resonate with that yeah no of course and even guys like i mean i have a lot of guy supporters who say like you know i know this like beautiful is a very girly word but i mean it helps like a lot because i just want people to feel loved and know that i'm not trying to force any like christian or catholic or anything like that onto people or like godly things but i'm a christian and i think that if you believe in that god thinks to do the best things you'll do the best things if you just believe in yourself and believe in him and that you're loved whether you're loved by a lot of

people you're loved by him and so i want to spread that as i love them too so then you get 11.6 million followers and everyone's like everyone has an opinion on your life everybody do you do you like wish you weren't in the spotlight or do you um actually no for me i take it as a learning point in my life of like people are going to say what they're going to say that's why i say uh let the hate build your beauty because instead of letting someone's hate comment make you feel bad about yourself make it feel good about yourself because they're going out of their way yeah to comment on your post yeah you have no idea who they are if you're gonna be honest i have no idea who you are but you're commenting

this rude comment of how i look ugly in this photo. But you still went out of your way to comment that. So I just let that build me up instead of bring me down. I think that's really smart. But I also think like you are in a way relatable to like there are girls in high school and college right now that don't have as many followers than you. But they also get so much hate. Like girls are joking because that girl posted a selfie and she didn't look as cute. And then her friends are talking shit behind her back and it's like how do you get through that

because you get it on a grand fucking scale i mean honestly everyone that does social media that's your fault for putting your life on social media in general you can't blame any of your supporters for being like well you do you're talking about this stop talking about this you have to admit that you bought it onto social media and then take a step back and like think about what you just did because you put it out there and so i've cried on social media before i've gone live before and just told them that my mental health is awful and then i just need a break and you know my whole thing is to help those people who go through that and i can't help them if i'm not help myself just like i say if you're not happy you can't make someone else happy because if you're

not happy you're making them feel better in the wrong way. I had seen you posted something like it was like months ago, maybe a month or so ago. And you're like, hey, guys, I'm taking a break from social media. Like my mental. What do you mean by your mental health? Like, is it your are you going through it because you're going through it because of social media? Like, is it the hate comments? Is it body? Not even that. I mean, whether it's social media that's making you feel bad about yourself or just your life in general just life situations things that are happening behind the camera there's a lot of things behind the camera that people don't know your supporters don't know at all and sometimes you don't want to tell them you don't have to and so my point of not

being on social media and me being not on there when i meant break i didn't mean for a month i didn't mean for a year a week i literally just meant for however long i wanted and that was two days that's all I needed. Yeah. To just regroup, go back to God, lean on God, instead of just leaning on the people that don't actually even know me. Are you close with your family? Oh, yeah.

I really, I am. I talk to them all the time, every day. Wait, and aren't you a- I'm a triplet. Dude, that's fucking nuts. Yes. Yeah. Wait, which are, so you have, is it two, is a boy and a girl?

It's a girl and a boy. I was last born so there's a b and c my sister's born first her name is riley and then my brother named dakota and then me yeah we're all born on christmas eve too what the fuck yeah we are you guys is it true like the all the twin shit i hear of like you guys have like telepathy like is it three of you i mean sometimes it's true i mean like we'll say certain things and we'll be like oh my gosh no way you just said this that you were thinking that and then i mean some of I mean, sometimes it's true. I mean, like, we'll say certain things and then we'll be like, oh my gosh, no way. You just said this, you were thinking that?

And then, I mean, some of these guys, I mean, it's a cool thing. It happens sometimes, but we're not identical. We're fraternal, and I kind of feel like that affects it in a way.

That does. I might be just, I might sound stupid. I don't even know what I'm saying. No, no, no. I agree. If you walk in the room and you look identical,

people are like, holy fucking shit. Whereas a lot of times people wouldn't even know if you walk in. Right, and you really have to know them to tell them apart

and things like that. Did they live in LA? My sister does. She lives with one of if you walk in. Right. And you really have to know them to tell them apart and things like that. Did they live in LA? My sister does. She lives with one of my friends in Indiana. Okay. And my brother still lives at home in Smecula. And you are moving into a house with a bunch of girls. Yes, I actually already did.

Yeah, I live in just a house LA. Literally the most open-minded, sweet-hearted girls I've ever met in my entire life. Do you think that, though, you have to be careful because you see how quick quick shit changes no not at all these girls are different like i'm when i say different i'm not just hyping them up like they are different they have my back i have their back like i just love them so much they're really sweet okay so you are going through a public breakup yes so you are going through a public breakup yes and i feel i literally felt so bad you walk in crying today i'm like holy fuck you didn't need to come so thank you for coming of course um can you kind of explain the situation to anyone that doesn't know yeah of course okay so sorry

right now if i cry um it's okay but i just want to say a big apology to josh oh um it's gonna make me cry um i fucking love love Josh so fucking much. He's literally like one of my best friends. I've known him for three years now almost. Um, I went on tour with him. Um, and I just, I got to know him throughout the three years and I saw how much he really loved Nessa and he saw how much I really love, you know, Jaden and stuff like that. And the fact that he called me crazy, um, I don't fucking blame him at all um because i did release that video of that edit and i never realized when we posting that i'd be hurting josh yeah but i was because that is literally his ex-girlfriend so i'm an idiot for posting it um i feel like i had

every right to post it because i was mad and it was my feelings but i honestly didn't have to post on social media and i did so i just want to say sorry to Josh. Because I love him. I think he'll respect that a lot. But when you posted it, I think any girl can relate. Like, when you think that your boyfriend is being fucking shady on you or cheating on you, whatever the fuck. Like, I'm sorry, but your eyes just glaze over, and you're going to do whatever the fuck you want. Yeah, I mean, you just get mad.

I mean, you lose self-control, and you're like, oh my gosh, get mad i mean you lose you lose self-control and you're like oh my gosh i'm so mad and then you make stupid decisions but then if people are like okay but like she should know better because she's a platform i don't think so if i was fucking 18 i'm posting that video are you fucking kidding whether i have a platform or not i built that platform because i wanted that platform because i love all my supporters and i want them to feel loved that is that is what i want right so me posting that is my decision yeah that's your story doesn't matter if I have followers or not if you didn't have followers and you did have followers you would still post it can you post it even if I had a thousand followers exactly I think any girl would

have posted a thousand or 1.6 million right why did you how did you post it what made you think that you are your friend was cheating on you with your boyfriend okay so I'm not gonna go in full detail but I'm literally just gonna say the exact truth I don boyfriend. Okay, so I'm not going to go in full detail, but I'm literally just going to say the exact truth. I don't care if anyone thinks I'm crazy after this because I know I'm not crazy. I don't think you're crazy. Thank you.

Okay, so I broke my phone this morning. Not this morning, but I broke my phone one morning, and Jaden was going to Laguna with Nessa, Cooper, Quentin, their manager, and Nessa's manager, Bree. Okay. And they were going. They've had that planned for like a week now and he went and I was like,

okay, I don't care. Go with your friends. Go for it. Because Cooper, Quentin, and Jaden all live together now. And I was like, go for it. Cooper's mom wants to celebrate them like her son moving out

and she wants to make dinner for them. Do it. Go for it. They went, okay? I broke my phone that morning. Something happened. I broke my phone like my her son moving out and she wants to make dinner for them do it go for it they went okay i broke my phone that morning something happened i broke my phone and he gave me his phone okay like my own boyfriend gave me his phone because he did it for a safety reason oh my gosh i'm leaving my girlfriend doesn't have a phone let me give her mine he comes back into the house after he left 10 minutes later and is like give me my phone and i was like why and he was like my manager i'm not gonna say her name my manager thinks that you convinced me to give me

you me to give me your phone because like you broke yours that's your fault you broke it so now his manager convinced him that he was wrong for just giving you his phone for a safety reason okay and i was like okay fine he has an ipad right oh fuck so he gave me his ipad okay but before he gave me his phone he deleted a message on his phone because i saw it you know when you see someone yeah yeah and they're like this and they go like that yes i saw that motion and i'm like maybe i'm just crazy maybe i'm just crazy and i was like did you delete something off your phone when you before you handed it to me and he goes no i swear to god i he swore to god i swear to god no i didn't but if i know better it's on the gonna be on the

fucking ipad it's on the ipad right fucking idiot okay so i have his ipad i did not think anything of it go through his ipad nothing i was like no it's his privacy i'm not gonna go through it i didn't go through his phone when i had it i didn't go through his ipad right later that night he hasn't answered me at all the whole day usually i was at a darty which is a day party right they're swimming i was in a swimsuit he's always very very protective not jealous in a way right it's very protective he was very like hey um he would always be like hey are you okay just want to make sure okay nothing literally not one thing six hours later went by and which is fine i'm not crazy i'm not trying to get but you know the patterns right yeah i said hey i just want to

make sure okay did i said all this other stuff six hours later i went by and he said uh wait how are you messaging him i went and got a new phone oh okay actually got a new phone but you have his ipad yeah i have his ipad and i was like okay got my new phone got it i'm gonna leave his ipad whatever so wasn't looking at his ipad at all get on my phone hey i got my new phone just want to let you know hope you're having a great time okay also like why the fuck aren't you texting me what's going on right that was in the morning didn't text me six hours later and then a couple hours more went by and I had this gut feeling and I was like no why am I getting this feeling why do I every time I think of Nessa and Jaden why do I have this feeling I mean it's not weird that she's there I mean that's Cooper's best friend and like whatever

I mean Sab is Cooper's girlfriend um didn't think anything of it i was like no no it's just them it's fine it's whatever and then i got this gut feeling so i went on his ipad and i was like no i'm snooping i can't do that had a gut feeling did it anyway i went on his text messages with his manager because nessa's name didn't pop up right and went on the text with his manager and there's a text from him that says i'm coming to laguna and then there's voice recordings from him and then he says delete those to Laguna. And then there's voice recordings from him. And then he says, delete those. Don't save them. She doesn't save them.

Then she sends two voice recordings of her saying, I'm so glad you're coming. That makes me so happy. The feelings are mutual between you and Nessa. You just have to make sure you're not with Mads. I'm so glad Mads isn't coming. You just have to break up with her. Hopefully this time you'll have another moment, meaning him and Nessa, and that hopefully you guys can pursue what you already started. So in my mind, my heart's racing hella fucking fast.

My blood is boiling. You know, as a girl, that is my boyfriend. I'm like, wait. And you pressed play on these voice messages. I pressed play. And I'm such an idiot that I didn't screen record these, but I swear on my life they are real. Because I have a text with Jaden that says about the voice recordings, and he says, yeah, I'll tell Josh that there's voice recordings because they're real. I know. Okay, wait.

Were you fucking nervous that if you listened to it, don't they, like, disappear? So what if he didn't get to it? No, they disappear after 24 hours. Okay, okay, okay. As I was reading them and listening to them they were disappearing disappearing okay okay i'm literally shaking right now because also it's fucked because you're right now it brings in josh where it's like right now his girlfriend in my mind i'm like holy fuck josh josh and at that point nessa and josh

were already broken up got it nessa and josh broke up like two weeks before but it doesn't matter because josh's best friend was jayden like yeah there's loyalty though that's supposed to be so anyways i'm literally shaking okay so i see the voice recordings are disappearing i called jayden doesn't answer me called him literally i don't give a fuck if anyone calls me crazy called him 20 times i would too called him 20 times okay and he doesn't answer. I text Cooper. I'm like, tell Jane to answer me right now. And he said, okay. Calls me back.

And I said, you have one chance to tell me the fucking truth. I was like, I just want the truth, Jaden. He said, okay. He was like, I don't like you anymore. And he told me he doesn't like me anymore, which I believe him because we just weren't happy. We weren't healthy. And we weren't making each other happy. Like like i said you can't make another person happy if you're not yourself right so it was like a god thing it's kind of like okay we jumped into our relationship too quick of trying to make each other happy and

it didn't work but you don't go cheat on someone go behind their back like and it cleanly and so that was why we broke up not because of nessa not because of anything was happening not because he went to Laguna. Just we weren't happy. Right. And we should have broken up two weeks ago, but we didn't. Loved the kid. I wish him the absolute fucking best. No, he did not cheat on me.

He did not get with Nessa. That's what he said. That's what I'm going to believe. He did not get with her at all. He said he would never do that to Josh. Okay? He would never do that to Josh? No.

I love how he doesn't say he wouldn't do it to you. Yeah, whatever. Okay. Anyways, where even was I? Okay, so. So you finally find this out. You listen to it. I find this out, yes. So you break up. And so he wouldn't do it to you. Yeah, whatever. Okay. Anyways, where even was I? Okay, so. So you finally find this out. You listen to it. I find this out, yes.

So you break up. And so he told me that. We break up. We talked for like an hour, just crying on the phone, whatever. Is this then you go and release the video? Then the next day, we have a really great conversation, me and Jayden. Okay. We talk.

We apologize. Left on a great note. You know what he told me the night before? What? First thing he said. What? Don't tell Josh. And I'm like, why?

If you didn't do anything wrong, Josh has every right to know of those voice recordings and their manager and Nessa's intentions, because obviously their intentions were to get Jaden to like Nessa, to be with Nessa, but to break up with him. Why do you think the manager gives a fuck? In my opinion, I think it was for clout. I agree.

I think they're brainwashing him to wanting Nessa to be together because it looks good they're on the same song together which also I just want to say screw every person who says I'm jealous of the song that song is so good I'm so proud of them I mean Kimmel Ellen that's so cool amazing so cool amazing literally I'm not jealous but how would you feel if your boyfriend then all of a sudden it like makes sense what's happening and then josh says on the podcast that i'm calling him crazy or calling him i'm crazy i'm calling him thousands of times i called him twice i said hey it's important he said okay you can text it and i was like no i want to talk to you yeah he runs to jayden obviously if it was me i would run to my friend and be like why is your ex texting me right they didn't know we were

broken up at that point so josh is like yo your girlfriend he's probably like yo your girlfriend's calling me what's going on jayden didn't tell him anything too clearly because i was on bff's podcast and literally josh was like i really hope like it's not true i don't think it's true i don't think it's true this poor guy is walking around and i'm gonna clarify again they did not get with each other i believe they didn't get with each other so i'm just gonna continue to believe that they didn't get with each other but he still did that that. He still went to Laguna. He still lied to me about the message he deleted. He still lied to me that seeing her, he literally saw her all the time. Yeah.

And I always told him, you know, that was my best friend. Now she's my, like, enemy kind of. Please tell me if she's ever somewhere. You would want that. Absolutely. You would want, if you were in my position, you would want that if that one guy was there. Absolutely. It's called respect.

It's not called being crazy. It's not called being controlling. It's called fucking respect in a relationship. a relationship there's nothing worse than finding something out when you're not supposed to find it out by someone that you're supposed to be able to fucking trust literally like where's the fucking loyalty so josh calls me crazy whatever all of that happens on social media then after telling josh and me and jayden having a good conversation i think in my mind and i'm like damn i heard the sound that says sabotage i'm like so true i posted it as a joke yeah i was mad i still posted that video as a says sabotage. I'm like, so true. I posted it as a joke. Yeah, I was mad. I still posted that video as a joke.

Sabotage for me didn't mean cheat. Sabotage for me did not mean, oh, that's like, oh, what? No, you're going behind my back. You were my best friend and you do that. Yeah, it's kind of worse. I wish you would have gotten with. Yeah, like that would have made it worse. Yeah.

You guys are thinking about doing something, talking about it. You're there like like what the fuck you're going behind your back so when does josh does josh know yet um uh this morning um i saw some stuff on twitter that said that nessa was at jayden's house late at night because you know i haven't blocked on everything right same with nessa and i saw things on twitter saying that she was at his house late at night at 12 o'clock and then she was in his car at seven in the morning this morning okay and I know them I know my ex-boyfriend's car I've been with you on and off for a year I know your damn car right okay she's in his car at seven in the morning and I texted him again you have one chance to tell me like what's going on I look crazy I'm

texting back and forth I'm texting thousands of times calling him don't care I don't care if I look crazy I want to know the truth he would not tell me and then at the very end he told me i like nessa and i literally have screenshots this morning this morning that's why i came and cried this morning i literally have screenshots if you want to show them on here i have them he cannot deny that he didn't say that i sent it to josh and i told him i'm not sending this to hurt you i'm not sending this to make anyone look bad i'm sending this to you to show you I am not crazy. When I have a gut feeling, I know it's true. Right.

What did Josh say? Bad. He gave a thumbs up. He gave me an emoji of a thumbs up. And Jaden texted me and said, Josh already knows. It doesn't matter. He's a man and wants me to be happy. Josh must really hate himself if he's okay with that.

Dude, Josh is not. Josh is not. Josh said a week ago i'm in love with that girl yeah no i'm gonna marry that girl and i think we're gonna get back together two days ago he says it's not i'm not gonna be with her because he found that out yeah of course he found that out and i found out this morning which is like if you liked her whether you liked her two weeks ago a month ago or else maybe you got feelings for her yesterday you tell me that right you don't leave you to have to fucking see it two days ago or a week from now a month i could have found that out a year later well i also think it's pretty

fucked you're in an interesting situation where like you you've had a gut feeling you called him out you guys break up and then it's like well well, wait, how do we, how do I go from here? Because you're saying that nothing was happening. And then now something's happening. And so it was like your, your premonition was right all along. Something was fucking going to go down. Yeah. And now it's probably going down.

I love Jaden. I wish him the absolute fucking best. I want him happy. So if him being happy is being with Nessa, be with fucking Nessa. If you being happy is being with anybody else, be with them. Because I want him happy. So if him being happy is being with Nessa, be with fucking Nessa. If you being happy is being with anybody else, be with them. Because I want you happy. His album, fucking so good. Yeah.

Literally can't wait for it to come out. I will sit in the back and literally watch him perform. I don't care. It is literally the greatest album I've ever heard in my entire life. And I'm not capping because I'm in love with this person. Yeah. It is so fucking good. And it's going to change people's fucking life when they hear it.

Because I know why he wrote it. He wrote that fucking album for Cooper. And I don't know if you guys know Cooper's story. But I fucking love that kid. And he's gone through so much fucking shit in his life. And I realize that that album is about Cooper. About losing someone. Whether it's love, a family member over drugs fucking mental abuse eating

disorders anything that album's gonna change people's fucking life and i'm so fucking proud of him and if him being happy with her then fucking do it like that's i think that's mature of you to say i hate that you're getting called crazy because i think it's really frustrating dude when guys when guys come out and they're like oh are you like nobody calls a guy crazy ever it's always on a check it's literally always on a check and it's like how every i'm sorry every girl is crazy guys make girls crazy juice world once said right all girls are the same and he should have fucking followed it with all guys make girls insane right and all guys are a pain he should have just fucking followed it with that. All guys are a pain. They make girls insane.

That's what he should have said. Dude, it's so fucking true. It's like, no, no, we're not crazy. Why am I being crazy, though? Because you're being fucking shady. Don't do shit that makes a girl crazy, period. Dude, what are you? Okay, wait, what are you thinking with Nessa then?

Okay, wait, what are you thinking with Nessa then? Okay, I know that she's probably going to say some shit. I fucking love Nessa. I also wish her the fucking best. I know she goes through hard times okay I know that she's probably gonna say some shit I fucking love Nessa yeah I also wish her the fucking best I know she goes through hard times I know her entire life story I know her backstory I know everything about her family I love her to fucking death and she was my best friend yeah we lived with each other for about three months all we had was each other right this is when me and Josh and Jane and everyone we all broke up okay this is a while ago this is around 4th of July, two months before that.

We had nobody. We literally only had each other, okay? And Nessa told me that she'll be there for me always. I'll be there for her always. It reaches 4th of July, right? I've been living with Nessa for three months. And I go home because something happened. Me and Jane got in an argument.

I went home. I wanted to go home. I live two hours away. And then I called Nessa the next day. Hey, can I come up? I'm in Me and Jane got in an argument. I went home and wanted to go home. I live two hours away. And then I called Nessa the next day. Hey, can I come up? I'm in the Hype House at the time. Right. You know, I was like, can I come with you?

I'm going to go. You know, I just wanted my mind off of everything that's going on. She said no. Nobody wants you here. Nobody likes you. And then that's it. And so at that point, I knew she got with Chase. And I hate to bring this up because I know this is really sensitive to a lot of people i love charlie i love chase i love josh i love i love

nessa so i don't mean to bring this up but i know she'll come out and say this because i'm a bitch for this right so she was being rude to me and i was like in my head i was like i'll be a bitch you want to be a bitch i'll be a bitch harder right me and jayden were talking again he texted me the day after jayden text me. I go hang out with Jaden. And then I was talking to Jaden. We were hanging out. And I was like, hey, this is eating me alive. So I just want to tell someone.

You can't tell Josh, though. I don't want to hurt his feelings. I was like, Nessa got with Chase. At that point, that was like one of Josh's best friends. And was he dating Charlie at the time? No. Nobody was dating. So it wasn't technically cheating.

But that's still like, yeah, bro code. Right. Right. I was laying in the same bed as Chase and essa it's a studio apartment i was in the bed with them okay i look over at chase and chase goes i fell back asleep so i tell josh because jayden said if you don't tell josh i will right i was like you know what i told you i'll tell josh we called josh he was on his way home from vegas and we said hey we have something to tell you he goes i swear to god if you're about to tell me what I know you're about to tell me I'm gonna be

really fucking mad he already had a feeling like you had a feeling now yeah so it gives me chills oh it's so gross so he came home and I was about to say it and then all the guys Cooper Jaden everyone that was there goes Nessa got with chase and he threw the ring light through it so pissed done with nessa nessa called me crying and saying your relationship with jayden's not gonna work out so you better take blame for me you better say you got with chase you better say it wasn't me you better do this because she doesn't know i told him and she's like your relationship with jane's going nowhere my relationship with josh is going somewhere you better take the blame for it do it now and i And I said, okay. I hung up. Didn't do it because I'm the one who told him. She ended up finding out. I told

him and I said, yes, I did. I'm not going to deny it. Bitchy move. But what she did was a bitchy move too. And at that point, I didn't even think she was my friend anymore. Months go by. I'm with Jaden. She's with Josh. We meet in a room and we're like, hey, I forgive you. I'm sorry. I love you. I want to be friends with you again. Just let's forget the past. We were stupid, immature young girls. We're over it. Right.

She was becoming one of my best friends again. We were getting so close. And then they filmed a song together, Jaden and Nessa. Song was great. I was like, go off, go for it. Yeah, I was kind of like iffy about it. Me and Josh were like, okay, Josh, let's make a song together. Right. Fine.

Then she started being rude to me and everybody in the house. And we were like, okay, it's fine. Maybe she's just going through something. It's fine. And then she apologized to everyone but me. And I was like, okay. So obviously something's deeper. Right.

Well, because I can imagine, like, at that point there's tension. Because, like, your boyfriend is with her. And then you and Josh are kind of like, there's a lot of tension that came over happening with this song right and then obviously it escalated and unfortunately like your worst fears came true and all of a sudden they're like basically now together yeah we're not together but yeah and so yeah that's literally the whole story and have you talked to nessa no that night i texted her fuck you which is probably really bitchy to do but i was heated in the moment and i was like fuck you right i was like if you don't answer me right now i will tell josh right and she didn't answer nobody would answer me except for jayden do you feel like you're it's unfair that you're getting painted

as like being ridiculous for coming out with this do i think it's unfair no because i did post that video and sabotage could mean multiple different things. Right. Am I thankful that I get to say my side right now? Yes. Because I'm not crazy. Anyone listening to this can even say, no, she's crazy. She's doing this. I want to know what are you crazy for? What did you do?

You called your boyfriend when you thought that you found out that he was basically potentially going to hook up with Nessa. And he said he wasn't. So I believed him. And then he told me this morning he likes her. But if he's happy, he's happy. How do you feel right now? I kind of feel at peace. But you were so emotional when you came in.

Was it just because you got hit with that news? Yeah. I got hit with that news. I was crying all morning. I was like, oh my gosh, I have to go on this podcast. I'm so sorry. Dude, you didn't have to come. You're fine.

It's better now than later. Right. I was new. I was going to cry anyway. So I was like, I'm I have to go in this podcast I'm so sorry dude you're fine you're fine it's better now than later right right I was new it's gonna cry anyway so I was like I'm not gonna cry now and then I saw you and I was like I know I know and it's the first time we're meeting and I'm like fuck like now we're like you know when someone's like are you sure you're fine you're like well fuck you now I'm not yeah now I'm not now but I know you walked in I was like hello are you okay and you're like no she like literally walks in with like sunglasses or hood up. I'm like, Oh my God. I was literally like, dude, I, I have a lot of respect for you that you're able to sit here. And one, I think it's great that you're telling your story, but two, I just feel like, I think people need to be more understanding of you guys right now. I think that like, yeah, people can say like, Oh, they're like these little spoiled kids. Well, what well what if you were what if you had this platform what the fuck would you be doing and so

i think it's like these are kids slash teens slash adults that are just trying to figure out their fucking life right now and you have a huge spotlight on you and i feel like your mental health of every single day someone being like i saw nessa even saying like someone was like kill yourself and like you shouldn't be on this earth anymore it's like dude this is like go back to high school and college like you guys are dating you're trying to figure it out there's gonna be catty shit there's gonna be people i've been cheated on i've cheated on people like shit fucking sucks but unfortunately people have to remember that you're on a larger scale you're on a platform that now everyone has an opinion and so yeah people can say you're crazy but i like to break it down like you're not crazy why are you crazy you also have to think of these things

you lose your boyfriend or your girlfriend you lose that entire family yeah you lose that entire other family that you made your own yeah i don't i don't have his sisters his mom you know what i mean like you just lose all of that he gave me a promise ring and he broke it he didn't break the ring gave me a promise ring that i'm gonna marry you and i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do that and then you know things change and i don't wear the ring anymore what i can tell you is at 18 i had a boyfriend that i thought i was gonna marry and then you're gonna look back and be like probably half of these people won't even be in your life but i I understand right now it hurts so fucking much. Dude, something about the iPads.

I found out my boyfriend was cheating on me through a fucking iPad. All I have to say is if you want advice, I'll give you advice right now. Girls, boys, if you have a gut feeling in your stomach, it's most likely 1,000% true. Thank you for coming. Do you want to share anything else? Dude, I'm so... Same as like I said from the beginning. Love Jaden. Yeah.

Forever and always. Like I said, I will sit in the back of your concert just to watch you perform one more fucking time. Because I know how talented you are and I know how much you actually want this. I know his backstory. I know his family story. I know everything about that kid. I know him better than anybody will ever know him. And I just wish him the fucking best.

Because I did think I was going to marry him. But I already told him if he wants to marry someone else and that makes him happy he can do it i think that's a good way to look at it i also would say i actually think it's good that you kind of have them blocked not in a catty way but like you got to start to try to figure out like what your life is without them and maybe you'll eventually one day get back together but like for now it's like you got to do your own thing and you can't be weighed down by two other people making a decision to either be maybe they won't even be together who fucking knows but like you've got to figure out your own shit and you got to take care of yourself and clearly you've got a little battle to go uphill

right now because you were burned someone lied to you you were getting you people were being shady that creates trust issues yeah like how now all of a sudden the next boyfriend you have you're gonna be like let me see your fucking ipad right like it breeds insecurity when men are this happened to me or women whoever does it if you're lying to someone when you're in break up with he should have just broken up with you the minute he had feelings for her or was thinking of it he should have broken up with you yeah and he tells me after we broke up that's when the feelings like came to play not but it's like you were his girlfriend and you were listening to those voice messages while you was girlfriend so no yeah all my friends are telling me i'm oblivious and i don't

see it but i just i believed him but it's hard to people can say it when you're looking on the outside like oh you're oblivious like well no because you're in love with someone and so it's really hard to see no they were saying i'm oblivious as isn't like he fully is trying to get when that's it and you don't see it right and i'm saying but how were you supposed to see that when you're like well he's my boyfriend i believe him you believed him because you wanted to give them benefit the doubt because he's giving you a promise ring he's saying he loves you he's saying he's gonna marry you we just went into it too quick of we're gonna make this work that it just made it worse do you think there's any future of you guys ever getting back together right now no okay um yeah no not at all so just focus on yourself literally that's all you can do yeah focus on

yourself if you're a believer lean on god um what are you gonna do people who are gonna treat you right and not talk about him or her yeah i was gonna say like what are you gonna do to get through this breakup because it's so fucking public i'm doing everything i can i mean i kind of feel like me and jane were holding each other back i mean i did acting lessons this week i did dance lessons i did vocal lessons i'm literally doing everything i can to just make myself a better person um acting is my one of my biggest goals is to be in a marvel movie oh my god i know you do well sometimes people when you're in a relationship that's not not moving forward. You get too comfortable. Yeah.

And then you're like not focusing on yourself because you're focusing on the other person. And clearly the other person was focusing on another person. I went through this breakup. I met Jaden and I immediately started dating him, which was a mistake. So it's like, you have to heal that hole in your heart, fill it with God, fill it with good people, fill it with good friends, and then be with that person. You have to completely heal 110% be healed and then be with that person that you say to completely heal 110 be healed and then be with that person that you say you love or else it's not gonna work yeah you got to be whole on your

own and we just weren't healed we weren't making each other happy and that's not that's not our fault that's just how our love is so i appreciate you telling your story thank you also please nobody hate on them no we don't dude there's no there is no hate i think that's why everyone always has to tell their side of the story i think if you were just to like keep going you're gonna still keep getting hate but it's like always know there's two sides of the story and usually both sides there's gonna be differences in it because everyone's biased to their own opinion so it's like nobody will ever know the inner workings of your relationship with jayden because they weren't in bed together with you guys right no one will know the dynamic of you josh nessa

everyone like no one's gonna know that but your story it makes sense i think calling you crazy fuck right off anybody that's gonna say that from this story because i'm a good i'm a good test to be like no that's a little crazy i can be fucking crazy you did nothing crazy you had a gut feeling you went with it and now we're sitting here yeah thank you for coming on thank you for having me dude he doesn't even know I'm coming on here, and it sucks because he told me, he goes, if you go on Barstool right now, which, like...

What does he mean, go on Barstool? He goes, if you go on Barstool, it's Josh's podcast, so he'll just make you sound more crazy. Oh, well, they forgot there's a fucking other one, bitch. Yeah, and I was like, and it's better, so... Yeah, fuck. There's another one here.

All my friends were like, because if I'm going to be completely honest, I literally never heard of your podcast until my friend, Busher, her name's Taylor, she here. All my friends were like, because if I'm going to be completely honest, I literally never heard of your podcast until my friend, Busher, her name's Taylor. She goes, she's moving to LA

and she's literally going to make, like, do this big thing and I was like, who is that? And she's like, greatest podcast you'll ever hear in your entire life.

All the girls I live with was like, I want to be you right now. Stop. She's like, I don't, they were like, I don't give a fuck

if I had to go through what you're going through. You're on, on your daddy podcast and I was like, okay. Oh, you're like, okay, fine, I guess this is, okay. Have okay fine I guess this is okay should I just make a tiktok of just like

have you ever seen mean girls yeah you look like Damien in the back fucking shit okay damn um daddy gang I hope that you felt the respect that I did for Madison coming on and being so vulnerable, so forthcoming, honest and open. And Jaden, obviously now, if you don't know this, they're publicly open saying they're together and all these things. And having had calls with Madison after this interview and seeing her hurt, I do have to say that I think, you know, meeting her and hearing her story, she is the positive side of social media. She's put her whole life out there. And with this episode, she trusted she's trusting the social media community enough to put her whole life out there. And with this episode, she trusted, she's trusting the social media community enough to share this whole story of hers. She's being super vulnerable. And I think it's crazy, like meeting someone, I get it. Some people be like, what the fuck are you having this person on Alex? Or like, oh my God, Alex, thank you so

much. Whatever side you're on. I think like this person coming on and being open, she is Gen Z. And you have to think about it. Like this girl has been doing social media since fifth grade. She spent almost half of her life around social media. I think social media gets such a bashing and there's so much negativity on social media. Listen, I am no fucking better. Two years ago, I was absolutely making fun of this shit. What the fuck are these kids doing? Like what is going on?

And I think I will admit, I think I'm happy that I was like, well, let me see. I want to evolve. I want to learn. I want to understand. And I know I feel like I learned a lot. I've now talked to, I've now met Madison. I've met Josh. I met a Griffin who's another TikToker. And like, these are good kids that are trying to figure out what the fuck they're doing in life on a huge fucking platform. And so hopefully we can just be more, I don't know, like I know it sounds fucking corny, but like accepting of everyone. We grow, we evolve. And I feel like it's pretty fucking cool that, you know, forever this girl's story will be on Call Her Daddy. And it's brave.

And I hope I have her on again one day at a higher point in her life. I wish her nothing but success. And I think we should wish all of these kids nothing but success. So Daddy Gang, that is wrapping There are now, this was the fifth. So there are now four more episodes until we reach the 40th episode of Call Her Daddy for this year. It's fucking crazy to say. So next week is my last week off and then we've got four more to go. This is fucking nuts. I feel like it was just yesterday

that I was sitting on here being like, hello, this is the funeral episode. It is your single father. I'm taking over this show. I'm doing it on my own. What the fuck is this year going to hold? And this year has been in fucking sane. I never thought I'd have a TikToker on. I never thought I'd have Miley Cyrus, Holly Madison, Mia Khalifa, fucking Harry Jelcy. Like I had no idea where this year was going to take me, but I am so grateful that I've been able to use this platform and to have so many amazing women and men come on this show and tell their story. So daddy gang, you know, the motherfucking drill.

Sadly, it's not next week, but the next, next Wednesday, I will see you fuckers then