Call Her Daddy - A Friendship VS. Reality Tv (ft. Hannah Berner & Paige Desorbo)

Episode Date: November 3, 2021

This week, Father Cooper sits down with Hannah Berner and Paige Desorbo for the show’s first threesome. The episode takes a turn when Hannah and Paige reveal they haven’t spoken about the biggest challenge their friendship has ever faced - reality televisions attempt to prey on their relationship and tear them apart. There are tears, extremely uncomfortable moments and no one holds back. You will hear their friendship put to the test while sitting on the couch of your friendly local therapist…Dr. Alex Cooper reporting for duty. Your father is here to listen… and expose the tea.

what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy hello daddy gang it is your father okay this is drum roll please i guess i have to do it no one's here to give me a drumroll. I can only do it with one hand because I'm... Wait, hold on. Drumroll please because, daddy gang, we are setting a new record. Is it a record? It's the first fucking threesome on Call Her Daddy. And who better to star in a threesome on Call Her Daddy

other than my two friends friends Hannah Berner and Paige DeSorbo. I have been waiting to discuss the concept of friendship on this show so I thought who better to sit down with and have this conversation with than two best friends whose friendship has recently been publicly put to the test. Hannah and Paige both starred together in a reality television show. I'm never going to say the reality television show's name throughout this episode for legal reasons. But so on Summer House, Hannah and Paige were on this show together on this fucking network called Bravo. And they also then started hosting their own podcast together called Giggly Squad. I've had Hannah on the show and I've had Paige on the show separately. In the most recent season of the show that they were on there was a reveal of tons of drama and the tension was at an extreme high which ultimately ended in Hannah leaving the show or

as another narrative got fired off the show there's a lot of speculation people asked me not to say that I don't give a fuck I'm fucking it. I'm allowed to say whatever the fuck I want and call her daddy. I think Hannah got kicked off. There are some people that say she left. Regardless, Hannah is no longer on this reality show. And in my opinion, I think it's because Hannah in this season was falling in love with someone and had a really healthy relationship and the one couple that's on the show has the most tumultuous relationship the guy and girl on the show that's the only like known couple on the show the guy has cheated on her multiple times we watch him cheat and then she takes him back and this has happened like numerous times that That's for great reality TV. The girl is sobbing in the room. The

guy keeps, he cannot stop fucking everything in the Hamptons. And the girl is like, I hate you. I hate you. Let's get married. I'm obsessed. I want to keep watching this fucking shit storm of a relationship. You know what doesn't make for good reality TV? A happy couple. Nope. We want sobbing snot coming out of their nose. And we want this multiple times. Oh, he cheated once. No, let's ramp it up by the fourth season. It's four times now they're getting married. And then right before they get married, he cheats. It's like it can't stop. So Hannah, her storyline wasn't like that. Again, it honestly doesn't matter if you haven't watched the show. It's basically a story of two girls that went on to a reality show together as best friends they literally even shared a bed

together and then Hannah left or got kicked off and Paige stayed and Paige is friends with the people that bullied Hannah on reality tv and I remember watching the season like absolutely at times. It was like, Hannah, what the fuck are you doing? So because she's my fucking friend, I figured, hey, I bet Call Her Daddy gets more fucking views than that reality show. Why don't you come on, sweetie? I'll hand you the fucking mic. And why don't you tell your side on Call Her Daddy? We don't need Bravo. So this is the last time anyone from Bravo is gonna wanna work with Call Her Daddy. Don't care.

And listen, I love Paige. And Paige is in a really interesting position. In this episode, you're gonna hear Hannah and Paige first start talking about, we're just talking friendship. And what is our definition of friendship and what is a good friend? And you can tell there's extreme differences

in Hannah and Paige's description of what a good friend is you're gonna hear a really crazy moment I didn't even know this was happening Hannah and Paige had never talked about the fact that Hannah got kicked off the show and that Paige is going back for another season with the people that literally despise Hannah and the fact that they haven't talked about that and they're best friends it's pretty crazy actually this episode is about how we need to stop fucking picking sides and I will own that I've been in the middle of that myself I will say that it's a really intense story of just two friends that are fucking going through it right now so just listen and have empathy for both sides and I'm just glad I don't have to deal with this anymore also when you guys hear someone speaking and then they go to say something and then there's a beep it's because

I'm beeping out the show that they were on. So every time you hear that's actually just the name of the show. Daddy gang. I give you Hannah burner and page to Sorbo. Let's just get fucking into this this is officially the first threesome yeah on call oh my god wow i love that we are about to hear construction the washing machine was on i'm keeping the ac on because page looks too good with her fucking outfit and i have ski socks on that i don't want to take off because then Paige is going to look at my feet and Hannah just shit her pants in the bathroom.

Did you really? It's a nervous group. We just got here. That's how I perform my best. So, um, welcome fucking back. Thank you for having us.

Thank you for coming. Thank you so much for having us. You guys were late. I wasn't, I wasn't, I was three minutes early, but I didn't want to come up and like, be like,

be awkward. No, not be awkward. Like show that Hannah was late. She didn't want to come up and like be like be awkward. No, not be awkward. Like show that Hannah was late. She didn't want to make me look bad. Yeah, I was like, if we're both late, it's fine. But you ultimately did make me look bad. Of course. Because then she came up.

Because at the end of the day, I look out for number one. At the end of the day. Wait, I have to say something. My ex-boyfriend used to live in this building on this floor right there. The P word? Yes. Shut the fuck up. Yes. Shut the fuck up. ex-boyfriend used to live in this building on this floor right there the p word yes shut the fuck up yes shut the fuck up i texted hannah today and i was like what's the address and she sent it to me and i was like are you fucking with me and she was like what and i was like that's his and we also used to live in this apartment yeah because he was one of those guys who was given free reign

to decorate himself and you could tell yeah he had like a huge post not post i guess painting because he had money of like muhammad ali's face was michael jackson on it too michael jackson you might as well have r kelly he had one of those massive clocks that you get at like pottery barn i couldn't new york is so small it is to anyone that's never lived here like believe us it's so fucking small dude the first time Paige and I ever podcasted together we were like oh you've been on the same fucking date with the one actor guy it was the same time it wasn't even just the same date it was the same night literally the same night I got ghosted because of Alex and I always wondered I always wondered like I wonder who the girl is that he's

hanging with it's me it was Alex and then you're like good taste I appreciate it yeah I was like I don't yeah also we never got to follow up but we talked about how this one guy that was an actor in new york city we both went out with and we didn't even get to follow up that afterwards he messaged both of us and was like what did he say he messaged me and was like oh like the pod like saw the pod haha like so glad you're doing well you don't see a pod yeah you listen literally the same like heard you on the pod. So funny. Great guy. Great guy. Okay.

So, first threesome of Call Her Daddy. Kind of amazing. If we had a threesome, like, what would the dynamic be? Like, who would be, like, in charge? Oh. I feel like Hannah would, like, be, like, speaking the most. Yeah. And then Paige and I would just be like.

I actually, my type of girl is blonde. So, I would probably show you more attention than Hannah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I have a lot of emotions. First of all, you're into blondes? I had no idea. Yeah, because I think it's because I'm so opposite.

Right, you want to go for. Yeah, like we're so sick of ourselves. I want to fuck someone else. I stare at myself all day. I don't want to. But we talk so much shit about blondes on our pod. What'd you say on Giggly Squad? I was probably just sitting over here like with my mouth open.

It's not that I talk shit about blondes. It's just also like every boyfriend I've ever had, their type actually is blonde. Oh, right. Okay. So I'm like, hello. What'd you say about dyeing your hair brown when you grow up? No, I'm just saying grow up and dye your hair brown. Well, I just recently was learning what like chuggy means. And then saw a tiktok of someone being like is now being blonde chuggy I saw that too

no it's not no sorry okay so I just realized I am the Miranda of the group and y'all could just fuck each other who are we though if we were doing sex in the city you're Samantha she called called you ho i would probably be charlotte you are charlotte i have fucking loafers on okay fair fair fair fair fair we need to take a picture of you guys so that i can just oh that's cute okay that's cute okay wait okay i love how i'm taking pictures in the middle of the podcast okay so you guys hate blondes cool now i'm gonna roast you for the rest of the episode here we fucking go what have you guys been up to let's start with hannah what the fuck have you been up to i've been on a stand-up tour i actually was late today

because i came from nashville this morning why were you in nashville oh my god i had two shows you look pretty good oh consider it the bags are in, she's like, bitch, you're 30, and you only have like two fine lines. Are you 30 now? You don't have to attack me. Hannah's actually going to age amazing because she doesn't really drink. That's why you asked me to go to a fucking Pilates class before. Okay, I know you're going to blow my shit up on air. I was depressed the last six months.

I open about it, I was depressed. And when I'm depressed, working out is the worst thing. I'm like, the only worst thing of sitting depressed is going putting my body through pain and being depressed fair so I'm now I'm getting out of the depression a little and I'm like okay let's do Pilates and you were a former athlete and I was like maybe and you were like don't ever say that to me dude talking to Hannah the other day and she was like well you're in New York like would you want to go to a Pilates class with me and I was just like dead silent i've been to one pilates yeah she did one she basically told you that you guys aren't real friends i was like you don't know me yeah that's that's the kind of

thing that you can drunkenly get someone to agree to in the morning they're like oh my god i gotta i got i'm coughing i can't i'm like i'm not going to pilates okay so you've been on your stand-up tour stand-up tour how is that going it's stand-up tour. How is that going? It's going great, and I have to say, Daddy Gang shows the fuck up. Oh my God, I love that. That makes me so happy. A lot of people are like, I discovered you from Daddy Gang,

now I listen to Giggly Squad or Burning in Hell. Okay, my one Daddy Gang story is I have a joke where I go, my love language is touch. It's choking. And then someone yells, use the belt! And I go, Daddy Gang? And they go, yes! And I'm yells, use the belt. And I go, daddy gang. And they go, yes. And I'm like, they're just so, they're also like these smart, driven, badass women.

And I like to stereotype, but I just think they're incredible. Whenever I see a girl who's like not fun, I'm like, that's not daddy gang. That's not daddy gang. Daddy gang's down for anything. And I'm planning my wedding, which is like interesting too. Okay. So we're going to get back to that. So you're wedding planning and you're doing a comedy Okay. So we're going to get back to that.

So you're wedding planning and you're doing a comedy tour. What the fuck are you doing over there? A page. I'm talking to me. Taking pictures of myself. You look great though. Thank you. I have a boyfriend now.

I know. I need to stop high pitching. Is that crazy? I want. There's so many questions that will come. If that's not takeout. Hello. Who is that that who could be here i'm bringing your ex-boyfriend actually on the show page i will say i did text the maintenance

guy of this building and said hey i'm gonna be in the building would love to see you shut up his name's jose he's amazing were you banging jose on the side wait and also the fact that you're texting jose after all these years what has been one year two years i love how you're texting jose and not your ex yeah whoa he's a real one but he doesn't live here anymore correction no he doesn't live here anymore okay so you have a boyfriend yes which I'm pretty sure I've been like seeing lightly on Dumois I would see things about my now boyfriend on Dumois and I'd be like fuck can I text him and be like hey motherfucker is this true or does that make me look crazy?

No, because it's a public site, right? Right. I actually read something that was like, you know, once you start dating a guy to keep him private, that like you care about it. But Paige is in a unique situation where like you kept it private, but you found a guy now that you could live in the public eye with and he supports you with it. Yeah. But it's going to have those challenges.

Well, isn't he in the public too? He's in in the public but it's also the number one thing that's really been pissing me off is people are like oh they're just like acting and they're doing this as a pr stunt yeah that's what i was gonna ask you if that was true i would straight ben and jen this shit and be posting it all over and i'd have like the best captions to everything like fair no one knew for six months that we were hanging out. So it was six months before you even like anyone knew. Yeah. Like we started hanging out in May and then like now we're officially dating.

And the only reason I haven't posted them is like I haven't taken a grid worthy pick. The aesthetic hasn't been right. Right. This is my real life boyfriend. You're not posting your boyfriend on your instagram until like i think until he says i love you oh absolutely great point yeah like you okay so he hasn't said i love you yet how long have you been dating we just started like being official i don't post i don't post the guy for a long ass time i will never post my boyfriend on social media ever people don't understand what

it feels like to put it out there that you're with a guy and then have every single person give their opinion to your face like our brains are not meant to handle that many opinions about ourselves like that's kind of shit you walk away and tell your friend about don't say it to my face like when i got engaged they wanted people that are like three months top six months top yeah he's crazy like that fucking sucks dude that's why i'm not doing it i'm like i already know people like are going to give me an opinion. And I'm like, I don't want to hear it. I actually don't give a fuck what you think.

I'm happy. Fuck off. People are like, he'll never like her the way he like liked his ex-girlfriend or like she's not even his type. And I'm like, fuck you. And then I'll text him and be like, am I your type? That's the problem because you have the real relationship and then the public persona of your relationship. Well, it's hard too because it goes all the way back to the concept of like Instagram

is a perfect version of what we like choose to put out of our lives. Right. So even the picture that you're going to decide to post, like is his hand on your back or your thigh? That's going to tell something about the body language. Like, are you guys kissing or are you guys smiling or is he not smiling, but you're smiling that he doesn't like you. But then like, do you know what I mean?

In my head, I have the like like you have the picture yeah what is it what is it okay so okay so he has like a golf cart that he drives around like his neighborhood so i was retired to be like we also live in a community home um i want him the picture to be like of our legs in the golf cart and the the caption would be like, golf cart love affair or something. And it's not going to be of your faces? No. So you're just doing the legs. Yeah, I just want to be in a sick outfit with cool shoes in a golf cart.

She loves the mystery when it's like, Paige, everyone knows you've been all over us weekly. Wait, are you going to tag him? Yeah, then I'll tag him. But this isn't for six months after he tells me he loves me for the first time. I think if you post your boyfriend on social media before I love you's have been exchanged, it's too premature. I like knew one guy wasn't right for me, but he was hot. Yeah. Then you go.

There you go. Throw it up. I know. I never posted. I would throw it up because I knew deep down that I didn't want it to haunt me. I mean, I broke up with him because he was ruining my life. But like, I never posted him. I posted one because I was like, oh, I'll get into every club.

Like, this is better. Like, throw him in there to just really exploit him for my benefit. I just didn't want to explain to everyone that we weren't seeing each other because I knew it was going downhill. Okay, fair. You don't want to explain the breakup. Are you still engaged? Yes. She's planning

her wedding yeah okay oh yeah you're like we broke up but we're gonna do like we're still doing the wedding but the engagement is done i was gonna ask when you do like a quick relationship status update okay you're in a relationship you are engaged i'm engaged he's aging rapidly though so we have to get the marriage done yeah um and take a bunch of um instagrams this year you know how kylie does that like she takes a shit ton so that when she's pregnant she doesn't post that she's pregnant you gotta do it while he's a little bit young so that you can like throw him up throughout the years see what how hot daddy used to be two years ago i don't want to manifest this but i have this

really weird intuition that i think that hannah will actually be pregnant at her wedding shut the fuck up like i don't if you don't want that i don't like want that are you happy i feel this so reckless with my birth control when she said that like and he has no idea yeah i have an announcement but i would like to announce i'd love to formally invite you both to the wedding and wow i love that wait really may wait did you change your date no oh okay i was gonna ask you like am i invited to the wedding but i was also like but like we're work friends we met through work and it's like you never know and i would literally never expect anything but i'm like oh that's kind of cool i'll come wedding

invites are crazy because people are like don't invite anyone you don't think you'll be talking to in five years and i do think i'm gonna be talking to you guys in five years i'm manifesting that we'll see yeah we're in like therapy with alex you should bring podcasters in that are i know multiple podcasters who hate each other but go to therapy just to keep the check rolling shut the fuck up yeah i do and it's not reina and ashley it's not they love each other but i know other that's wild that's crazy she's like we don't talk during the week we go to therapy to work you know what i think would be more interesting and then we're gonna actually fucking get into the episode they should almost lean into that they hate each other and publicly announce it and then meet up every week and like disagree on shit no i actually absolutely agree with that like you know like okay you're the reason i watch couples therapy on hbo it would

be like that yes but in a podcast yes well page and i we had like very hard times and trials and tribulations with our friendship yeah and giggly squad was the like highlight and like thing that reminded us like i feel like the heart of what our friendship is but do you guys know how many more views you would get if you actually fought on your podcast? We disagree. Yeah, we definitely. OK, yeah. But on the real shit, I will say I will attribute like this to my ex-boyfriend.

When Hannah and I started the podcast, he was like, look, because he was in business with his best friend. He was like, look, at the end of the day, that's your friend. So you should carve out a time to talk about business stuff like once a week when you're not recording and then like do your normal shit when you're like texting you're like oh my god guess what dude it's it's that's a good starter it's so much more complicated but success complicates success complicates shit and if anything it's fucked up but if you're gonna be in business with a friend i would say putting your friendship on hold if you actually want the business to succeed and find your other fucking friends that you can like bitch to about your

everyday shit yeah because you get to be resentful if the other one you see them do it like I remember I'd be like why are you out partying and doing drugs and I'm sitting here but like it's hard to then so it's almost like better to be like are we doing this business thing then let's do the fucking business thing I don't know about you page but i feel like this last summer our lives really changed where i was like fully on tour yeah i'm with a guy page is dating she's partying she's filming in like my old job yes there's so much that also changed in my life also this past year that's why i could feel all of us had crazy years of change and so so many of my friendships changed some of them really stayed exactly the same and I wanted to get into discussing friendships how they evolve childhood

versus adult friendships so I actually wanted to start off each of us defining what is a good friend to you what is in your opinion like Paige we can start with you like what is a good friend to you what is in your opinion like page we can start with you like what is a good friend a good friend to me is i feel like i'm in middle school please repeat the question in your answer a good friend to me um is someone that's low maintenance oh and like low maintenance she goes don't text me and when you're not around and someone says oh what's page like she hypes you the fuck up yep even if you're fighting or even if something's going on she's never revealing your secret she's like she's the fucking best right i wish she was here and like that's you don't have to worry about what they're gonna say about you and you can call

them with good news if you can't call a girlfriend with good news and she's not happy for you that's not your friend but can someone call you with bad news or that's too high maintenance yes of course they can call you bad news when i cry she takes like um a tray and she just taps me there there i'm not good i'm not good when people cry you're not Why do you think that is? She's dark. I don't know. It makes me uncomfortable. Really?

Yeah. I'm just like, oh God, don't do that. Stop. We both are pretty closed emotionally. Okay. I've gotten more open through the past year because I've been forcing myself to. Okay, Hannah. I feel like a good friend is someone who isn't just thinking about their self all the time

and like is putting themselves in your shoes. Yes. And a good friend is someone who knows how to make you smile. You're also describing a dog. A cute puppy. And because I've had like so many different friendships in my life, but ultimately someone who, when you're with them, you feel like a warm feeling and you never feel like you're too much for them. I think mine would be like loyalty is number one.

And maybe that's also cause no, I don't, I wouldn't even say our jobs. I think like loyalty in general means a lot. And then I think isn't a yes person. And maybe that's changed for me as of recent but like I don't want someone that's just like it's a two-way street I don't want someone to just tell me what I want to hear like it needs to be an honest open conversation I asked for advice all day just started doing that to my friend like I was a yes person like fully where I was like okay that makes them feel better I'm just gonna I don't need to put my opinion in doesn't really matter what I

think and now recently I've been like, you're fucking up. Right. You're being stupid. People respect that more. Yeah. I also do think now that I'm thinking about it though, maybe that also has to do with your level of self-confidence.

One. Okay. That's actually, I wasn't going to say that, but that's actually a good point. And then two, how close are you to that person? Yeah.

Like I'm not trying to get in the, I will great good for you sweetie if I'm like no what the fuck is she doing but like I'm not gonna get in the middle of something if it's my best friend though I'm like bro that's I wouldn't personally do it I support you but like yeah I don't agree with that or like help them out and then yeah I guess self-confidence I am just very much a people pleaser yeah and so I would never want someone to be mad at me for like something I said. And that used to like eat me alive. And then I felt like as I got more confident in myself and who I was, I was like, OK, well, if they're mad at me, that's how I feel. I don't write shit.

So now I'm like, it's powerful. I'm going to tell you what I really think. And if you're mad at me, I'm sorry, but that's how I feel. Dude, that's actually so interesting, too, because as we get into like the dynamics of friendships I think it's interesting to see how they change yeah but you don't even have to look at friendship first you can look at just yourself like listen to how much you've changed so that means within the past at least two years like you've been a complete different friend to people because you've changed so how you're going to treat them as change and it's evolved.

And so your friendship then evolved. I really like what you said, Paige, about like, you can go to them with your success. Yeah. I don't fuck with people that can't support your growth and are there for you through change without jealousy or judgment.

Yeah. Like judgment is different than giving them like your opinion and trying to help them. But like judgment where it's like two-faced, I don't fuck with that. Also, women are intuitive. Like, you know. Yeah. You know when they're not happy for you. You can feel that tension.

Yeah. We're really intuitive in that way. Absolutely. Like I've had a girlfriend where it's like any success, I didn't tell her anything. Dude, that's fucked. But when like something was wrong, I would tell her anything that's fucked but when like something was wrong I would tell her and she was obviously like very supportive and like don't worry a little you'll like figure it out and then I have girlfriends where I'm like even today like I texted my girlfriend last night she was like

come out and I was like I can't I'm doing call her daddy tomorrow and she was like dude fucking sick and like absolutely pop off like yes like so supportive yeah so supportive i wanted to go past surface level so i read an article i read it i read it too i haven't read an article in years page definitely didn't did you read it no not okay i sent them an article guys just she read the first sentence lesson picture the beginning of call her daddy daddy gang with me like a couple bullet points i read articles now and yes i can read okay so this article basically talks about the evolution of friendships it's um from the atlantic and it's called how friendships change when you become an adult and i'm sure everyone sitting in this room right now feels

that already like yeah i feel like we're at a very strange age right now which is all right like especially with people getting engaged and getting married for anyone that didn't read the article page um I was on time though but I was on time yeah okay fair fair I look amazing yeah and she looks good so we know this but I thought it was really interesting to actually read it and to articulate it to anyone listening unlike family and romantic relationships there's less of a formal structure and more freedom to what it means to be a good friend with your romantic partner there's boundaries and there's expectations and essentially guidelines that you set like you're not allowed to cheat or like I really don't like when you hang out with that person like a friendship you don't have to follow those strict. It's the wild West. It's the wild fucking West.

And you wouldn't go a year without seeing your romantic partner. Right. But with a friendship, it's a blank canvas and every single friendship is going to be different and there's no guidelines. And so I almost want to like dive deep, especially where we're at in our lives right now, how much our friendships have

changed well if we go back in the years all our anxiety and depression is due to the myspace top eight dude back in the day we used to rank our fucking friends crazy and now it's like follow our friends and now it's like did you like her picture did you like her photo did you comment it's wild hannah and page your relationship you have a very public friendship, which can be strange and maybe risky at times, but it's also great because there is an understanding there that maybe your best friend from middle school or whatever, or your hometown best friend can't understand. Paige, I want to get your version first of when and where did you and Hannah meet Hannah and I met at Betches I was going in for an interview to write like fashion articles for them I was so nervous I was 23 24 and wasn't the most welcoming vibe I wasn't no the office wasn't yeah and I got off the elevator and Hannah immediately came up to me. And it was like a weird instinct that it was like, oh, this is my friend from high school and I haven't seen her in a while.

Like, that's how it felt. And I was like, oh, my God. OK, like she's made me feel comfortable. I can like do this day. Fast forward three months, three or four months. We're both on. OK, like I kind of know her, but I don't really know her and we were put in the same room together and you're just put in such a weird scenario of like filming a tv show like that's just so weird and then to share a room and it was like we just looked at each other and it was like okay so I have your back and you have mine okay I remember the first night do you remember I was like I'm so scared yeah this is like a shark

tank and you were like yes but I think it was like we made each other laugh even though she was so nervous the first night she fell asleep while filming at a dinner table like she just was like I'm out where if I'm uncomfortable I have narcolepsy like no it's the weirdest trait like if if someone dies in my family or I'm going through a breakup like i will fall asleep my body physically is like we're taking you out of this do you know how many people wish they had that like you're like i go through a breakup and i literally hibernate i go to sleep for six months and i wake up and i somehow have a new boyfriend how hard it is for people to fall asleep you know melatonin you gotta put a yeah an app a calm app to literally oh yeah the calm app but it was because i was so nervous there's pressures that come with having a

public friendship i know it very well and also being in business together it's one thing if you guys had just been on some together or a show together but to have an actual business essentially together having giggly squad squad and having to work every week together in some capacity i feel like it almost turns you more to feeling like it's a sister because you are going to fight not just like friends you're actually in business i do have to say one thing on page you could tell me if you disagree a lot of people want our friendship to end so fucking bad. Yeah. It's so weird.

And you feel it. Like, you feel it sometimes. Like, I'll get tagged in something like, why isn't Paige best friends with this girl? She's so much better than Hannah. Or like, I haven't seen Hannah and Paige hang out in a minute. They must be in a fight. Paige texted me once because there was an article being like, Hannah and Paige aren't friends anymore.

And she goes, are we not friends anymore? And I go, what? Dude, it's crazy. I literally feel like the therapist i'm like i've been through it girls let me walk you through the ring of fire i know it's wild and it's like there's something about we've learned from social media recently drama works better and so you two being happy and it's like you guys can fight you guys can bicker and there's always going to be issues in a romantic in a friendship relationship family dynamic but you're also in the public situation so it's so fucking weird that you probably have had moments which i remember i would have you guys are not agreeing you're in a fight but then you have to go do your show yeah so you're obviously gonna put

on a good face but it's like it's a hard fucking line dude I do have to say especially because last season of for me I like to compare it to squid game I actually that's like not a bad I remember when they were like can you trust them and they're like no and then the people come out and they're like are you ready to play I was like I want to go to bed it's crazy but I do have to remind people like it reality tv like it is a game and it was like a social experiment type game and I do think Paige is much better at um at French at friendships that are more like what's the word like general friendships I'm very like I have that bitch that I will like tell everything to, and I'm so close to, and I really trust. Um, and I do think that people just low key call me service level.

He just hired up being a fake ass bitch. Yeah. So Paige is really good at having fake friends and I'm not, no, I actually get what you're saying because I've had, I've been both before. I have gone through times in social settings where no you're like you're fake and you're fake too and I'm the realest one here yeah um so they suck guys um so the point is is it's like you go through phases in your life where like you are open to exploring friendships that like you don't need to call this person all the time and it's a good good relationship because socially it's fun and it works and you don't feel the need to have animosity or issues within the group and then you probably go through also moments and this could change in

your life you're gonna get super close to your fucking boyfriend and all of a sudden you're not gonna be filming for a couple months and all of a sudden all those surface level friendships you're gonna have three girls that you only speak to. And those surface levels are like not as important for you to like cater to for a minute. So I think it ebbs and flows. Well, also there are different friend groups you have in your life. And I think the, the most drama I've ever had with friends are always with the party friend group. Dude, do you guys agree? Yeah. I call my going out friends. You're going out friends. Cause that's the only time I've ever had issues. Cause it's like, they don't know your day to day.

And if you, it's, it's a little more chaotic energy with those friend groups. So do you guys both have like childhood friends still in your life to this day? Yes. Are you super close to them? My best friend from high school.

Yeah. Like she knows everything that like, I don't talk to her every day but I definitely talk to her once a week okay Lauren is and I always say second grade and people think we made that up like she moved from Louisiana to come to my Catholic school in second grade she only stayed for one year because then she was like I'm not Catholic and I don't want to receive the quote unquote body of Christ like what fine print yeah six years old and she was like i object literally i object i need to leave but anyway so i have a childhood best friend and her and two others that i'm still super close with but i came to this realization recently where like

i think there's too much of a stigma around when people are like if they don't have childhood best friends you can tell something about a bitch if they don't have childhood best friends, you can tell something about a bitch if they don't have childhood best friends. No, cause kids are assholes. Dude. Also, we are essentially, I'm so scared of children.

They bully the shit out of me. The thing is, is like, if you look back at that, like there's absolutely pros to having those childhood best friends. Cause it's a different relationship, right? Like essentially our parents almost picked them for us.

Yeah. Right. Because they chose our school. And then like our teacher kind of also chose it because it's like she was sitting next to me. Yeah. And I think there's something to say about a person almost more sometimes about the adult relationships that they form because it's a very different level of work.

But both are great. I just think we need to stop being like judging a chick if she doesn't have childhood friends like whenever i agree i and i will admit like maybe i used to know you're like forced to hang out with a lot of them like your parents are still friends yeah i grew up in new york city so i grew up in brooklyn where you don't know your neighbors okay yeah so my thing was very different like you're in a public school also you see how like economics changes things because at a certain level people start going to private schools people don't yep then by the time you're you're going to different colleges certain people are getting

internships that other people aren't the next thing you know everyone is like kind of just in their like whatever wealth they have which is crazy in new york because it could be like a huge gap yep there's also this stigma with girls that it's like if you don't have a girl gang yeah like you're not having fun and if you don't have this like sex in the city you're not a girl's girl yeah you're not a girl's girl or like you don't have these four girls that like ride or die for you like you're not cool basically and that is just so untrue because every like group of girls that I've ever been in that we hang out for like a full year, we go out together every single weekend. Like there is some shit in that group.

And at one point, like someone's calling me talking about the other one. And then the other one calls me and talks about the other one. And like eventually that group is going to get apart. I feel like for me, one-on-one friendships, I'm so much better one-on-one than the group dynamic. Because groups naturally, I do have social anxiety and there becomes like a hierarchy. And I'm very egalitarian.

Hashtag egalitarian. I like everyone have equal opportunity. I hate when there's a Regina George of a group where I don't suck dick. And I don't mean it like oh fuck you you have power but like I hate when you see like someone has followers and then when that person wants to turn on someone everyone turns on them just because of one thing and there's a lot of girls who reached out to me the last couple months and been like hey I've gotten kicked out of a friend group and I just want to say thank you I really love that you're bringing

that up because listen like I think that it's really fucking hard to navigate friends and I think it's hard especially with social media and I even had it I remember people being like Alex doesn't have friends and I'm like my best friends don't I have two of my best friends don't have social media and I that's why they're probably my best friends like they and so I like jelly dude but don't you feel like sometimes you have to prove your friendship via oh I haven't posted this person a lot like my Lauren McMullen recently she was like I need a break off of social media and literally just deactivated her Instagram I have hundreds of people being like are you and Lauren in a fight i'm like we've actually never been better because they want it right exactly i read this quote and it said it's from greta gerwig k guys okay g unit she said in college and right after college there's this sense that your friends

are your family it's really painful in your late 20s when you realize that they're not your family and they're going to make their own families yeah i feel right yes we're at this stage the late 20s is the weirdest thing you realize we're adults and now you start to watch like we said friends are getting engaged slowly everyone's parsing off into their own little unit well like it's weird look at your mom like your mom isn't calling her friend every single day and on the phone with her all day long like you growing up you knew your mom's friends right like it wasn't like oh my god you're calling her every like so that you just grow up and now that we're getting older and people are getting in relationships i think about my bridesmaids all the fucking time oh you're

gonna confuse yourself i'm about i am so quality over quantity i don't give a fuck the number of friends i have i want the quality i want to have one or two or three girls that i can hit up at any time and they're there but that's hard for i get your thing of bridesmaids that's why i will never do that i don't think i will either bridesmaids are you the first thing they do they go is page gonna be your bridesmaid i'm like i'm not doing bridesmaids it's why i will never do that i don't think i will either have bridesmaids are you the first thing they do they go is page gonna be a bridesmaid i'm like i'm not doing bridesmaids it's drama it'll make people upset and also like it's also like i don't have a like my group of girlfriends that i'm friends with some of them don't even know each other like they're not it's my group of girlfriends but we're not a group of girlfriends the my the my space concept is basically implemented

in the bridesmaid situation yeah who are your top seven that you have these like six girls that you grew up together in like my life for example like i've lived in so many different places and i have so many friends from different places and it'll be fun to just get drunk and celebrate that um but i do think that i have a question for you yeah your societal success has really popped off recently has that affected any friendships yes I'm so lucky that I have my like who I just talked about those two friends that don't have social media my best best best friends are my friend Jackie Kristen and Lauren and those people I will say I've definitely gravitated more towards because they knew me before all this I will say that it's weird that

the friends that like were like more surface level definitely started like coming towards me a little bit more once it's weird yeah or they're the ones or they're the ones that talk the most and i i bet they do like i and that's why i think like my circle is so fucking small that like i one of my best friends i would say like is literally my sister now who i didn't have the closest relationship to but like that's my blood and like it's hard to fucking trust people those friends will get you through anything and I do have to say shout out to like I have some really close friends who when I publicly was losing

friends and being accused of like being a bad friend whatever yeah like with no evidence of whatever having them to be like hey this is real life we love you your cat loves you yeah it's gonna be okay the comment real life my boyfriend does that to me all the time when i'm like spiraling and he's like alex look at me and he'll grab me and he's like real life right here it's so true fake it's so someone my therapist would be like okay yeah they hate that persona like oh those people are mad at that persona but like you but it's so my therapist would be like okay yeah they hate that persona like oh those people are mad at that persona but like you but it's hard because that persona is such a part of you sometimes if i can give anyone advice listening if you're like struggling at a time in your adult life where

you're feeling like i've got some people that are close some people that i wish i was closer to like it ebbs and flows like you said with our with our moms, my mom, some of her best friends are mothers. She met through her children. Yeah. And it's like, it's going to constantly change based off of you. And you're changing it. I think like,

it's not a coincidence that page found someone right now. And you're also getting to a point that you're like saying no to people and being more yourself. Because if you just want everyone to like you guys, girls, friends, like you don't get that depth where once you find that x factor that is you that differentiates you that's how you get real friends yeah who know you and friends are also ones who love your imperfections friends are like

Paige knows every side of me yeah she's seen the ugliest sides of me and she understands me yeah and like I'm not afraid to be any type of way because you know everything I'm doing comes from a place of love with our friendship yeah and like when you're saying back to like if she doesn't have friends from childhood like she doesn't have real friends I really feel like until you're out of your party phase which really doesn't happen till the end of your 20s that's when your real friendships like take precedent like it's when they become top priority because you're so different like I purposely wanted to stay single this entire year and I'm so glad I did

and it's gonna sound so surface but like because I wanted to party your my face off I wanted to go out every night I didn't want to answer to anyone I wanted to go out with any guy that I wanted to go out with I wanted to get it out of my system so that I didn't was never in a relationship again and was like damn I want to really go out I think it's so smart and any friend that makes you feel bad for not wanting to party anymore or for meeting someone new like not a good friend no that's actually so true because I think I love that you said that page of like people listening like when you're in college it's so different it's so different you can get an amazing friend from college but like you're given essentially an artificial setting yeah it's like

this is where you're at and these are the needs of people everyone has the same sort of idea of what college is supposed to be. Then you get out and then you're moving to the real world. And then it's like New York. I need a fucking friend. Oh my God. Like I'm new here. I don't.

New York is terrifying. Terrifying. Because if you don't have a friend, you're not going out. You're not going anywhere. And if you're not going out, what are you doing? The best advice my mom gave me, I remember in, I think it was high school. I was like trying to befriend the cool girls and when I say cool girls I mean like the coolest New York City like their parents are famous and

they're wealthy whatever and I just was like oh I guess I've watched movies like you want to be in that scene and I remember sitting and like it was super boring I was like a little too goofy for them I like didn't do drugs and I remember just it felt like I was putting a round peg in a square hole whatever you know I was trying to say and I remember my mom being like can you just find someone who's kind yeah can you just find someone who's kind and I met this girl who's just so nice and every day we'd meet at my locker and my I was just such a happier person so I think I don't know what I'm trying to say with this you know what I would like to say to anyone is I also don't want anyone to feel bad for moments of trying that like when I lived

in New York I had this group of party friends that like I couldn't trust one of those people all I could trust them to hopefully do is answer my text when I'm asking them what bar they're at and yeah see there but like I needed that in that moment I needed those type of friends and like I'm always going to be grateful to them because they included me you're exploring your identity in your 20s you need to put yourself in different friend groups and see do I like myself with these people that's what fucking dating is and I really think friendship is so similar to dating you ever meet a new girl I mean we could discuss like what is your method when you meet a new girl and you know you're vibing how do you go about it to make it a friendship?

Right. I think it's, you don't do anything. It's just, if it keeps going and it's natural, like one of my best girlfriends, I only met her a year ago and it was because I was single and I went out with another girlfriend and we were at a party and we,

it was literally like we started dating. Like we just started laughing at the same things. I was like, damn, I think I'm vibing with this girl. And then all of a sudden it was literally like we started dating. Like we just started laughing at the same thing. And I was like, damn, I think I'm vibing with this girl. And then all of a sudden it was just like, we're going to go out together. Like we're both single. But it got so much deeper than just going out.

And she was the girl that I texted last night and was like, I can't do it. And she was like, good for you. Good for you. Like, I will hype you up every day. I'm interested to know, Hannah, have your friendships changed since being engaged oh that is great well also what I was dealing with which was very difficult was a pandemic yeah so we filmed a season of a show and then we weren't, we were all good. Right. Were we not all good? And then we didn't see each other cause we're in the heat of the pandemic.

I'm living with my mans and then the show airs and no one saw each other. And then you just think of, you're just seeing online what people are saying about you and it becomes this whole thing. And then I realized like, okay, I have this safe person with me who knows me and understands me why would I want to get involved in more toxic drama with people who don't have you felt just like friendships changing because now you're just like at a different point in your my friendships have changed as in I'll meet someone who's also engaged and I'll get excited.

I'll be like, tell us. Tell us. Or we'll start talking about wedding planning because I have some friends who like they don't want to hear about the wedding. Right. Not because they're not excited for me, but like they don't like I didn't know anything about weddings. Like they're like, I don't care about flowers. So you just are in a different mindset and a different place in your life. Yeah.

That I think is. And again, it's okay because it doesn't mean you still can't be friends with the people that aren't wedding fucking planning but it may mean that you're a little less close with those people that are also like say you have a party friend in the moment and you're planning a wedding like it's gonna be a bit challenging and friction because you don't have similar interests right now. We also need to normalize for girls going through periods of not having any friends, like feeling like, damn, I don't have any friends right now. And like not hanging out with anyone and not going out and not having a boyfriend.

I went through that a little bit this year. In the moment, I was like, I'm a fucking loser. Like, I can't even call a girl to like go out right now it was the best thing ever like you have to have those periods I would argue it's like when it's people say choose to be single sometimes choose to take a break from people because that's I mean I know when I was dealing with some depression and I dealt with like some really bad social things back to back I had PTSD where, I didn't want to go outside and see people. Cause I just felt like people hated me or people were like projecting things on me.

You know, especially if there's public shit going on, I can imagine how you felt going on public. So then like recently to my friends reached out, who've known me for a while and got dinner with me. I started crying at dinner. I was like, I haven't felt loved like this in so long.

And it's different than your boyfriend or your fiance. Like, it's so different. A girl friendship. But it's hard. Because they're choosing. They don't think I'm hot. Yeah. They're not with me because they're looking at my titties.

Yeah. Facts. Oh, that's why girlfriends are so great. Because they actually like you for a depth that, like. Yeah, it's so past. They don't need you for shit. COVID, like, jump-started that for me because like when you're at your parents house for three months it's like wow you really realize

who you texted to be like would you watch on netflix yes like it's just it really cut down so many girls that i was like wow that is she is my going out friend still love her still if i see her out i'm gonna be like damn can't wait to take a shot with you but like i don't need to talk to you every day and see like and you're not gonna talk to the stupid guys who like you can't get dicked out by them you're not talking to any guys so you're hitting up your friends who make you laugh and who you can open up to yeah like we facetimed i think every day in quarantine for like four hours that's how we were like let's go live because we're saying some funny shit like that's how it was born

what are some of the bigger issues you two have had this past year are you asking us yeah what are some issues that we've had i do have to say well i didn't i never got in a fight before yeah we've never like yelled at each other but i will say the biggest not tension but like awkwardness for us that I don't think we ever really really talked about was when she didn't come back yeah to film the show you guys didn't talk about it we talked about it in the sense of her being like I'm not doing it and me being like damn it's gonna be weird but we never like talked about it and we like went in like it's us versus the world. Right. Like we're going to do this together. And I always felt like because then I continued to do it. Does she think I'm betraying her?

Like, does she think I'm going to talk shit about her? Or does she think I looked out for number one and kind of threw her under the bus? And I never. Oh, my God. I almost like started crying. I never said that to her. Like, hey, I don't want you to feel like that. And do you feel like that?

Like I never asked her. I just kind of shut the fuck up. Why do you guys think you didn't talk about it? It was a scary time. It was really volatile. And I took all the heat. Yeah. And just kind of was like.

I think I never said anything to her either because she was going through, like I would go on her Instagram and be like, damn, how the fuck is she doing this? Like how is she surviving with people commenting this shit on her page? So I never wanted to like text her and be like and bring it up if she was at that moment like not looking at it and she was cool I never wanted to be like hey which is hard to win friend land because then you could feel like she doesn't give a fuck but I get what you're saying where you don't want to like trigger her and bring it up but then Hannah may be like why hasn't she reached out about it and I also think I do have that vibe and I think that's also why people can come for me on tv sometimes because I act really together and strong I act like nothing you can

say or do will hurt me like tough girl like I don't give a fuck I don't give a fuck I'm so fucking strong but I'm like so sensitive so sensitive dude the people that do that the most are the most sensitive internally and I wish people would like normalize like that's how you cope and that's your defense mechanism that's how you literally get through every day if someone's coming at you you buck up and be stronger yeah and I think that's why I can't deal with people crying right okay I'm like that's right not how I but I think that's really wild that you guys didn't talk about it so to the extent you literally just said like I'm I'm not doing that. How did you decide? Can you talk about that? How did you decide not to do the show? People didn't want me back.

Yeah. And I've never dealt with such a public performance of exclusion in my life. When, like, I just wanted a fucking great entertaining show. And I didn't know going in and I I don't know about Paige but I don't think Paige knew to the extent of the like overall um like that it was gonna get that bad yeah yeah never in my life thought that she wasn't gonna come back it just didn't cross my mind and I also was like how could they split us up you know well I think from an outsider because like I also think it's wild to me to see every show needs a villain right there needs to be friction there needs to be

an issue in every episode or we're we're bored so that breeds a really unhealthy environment and if anything Hannah I would go to say someone's gonna be the next you yeah so like you just were the one that ended up being the collateral damage but everyone in next season watch the fuck out because who's the next her because there's got to be one of them right you're gonna dislike yeah someone and I think we've seen it in the past like I remember there was people hated her or people hate like there were people that you went through and you disliked but no year was it this bad I will say was I don't know if it was the pandemic but also because we weren't with each other there was a lot of talking behind the scenes that I wasn't involved in

and I had no idea coming in how many people had a plan that I wasn't aware of. To the point that even saying the V word, I don't even like saying it because I had no fucking clue. I had no clue. I mean, we also live in such a weird time where it's like the other day I had to check and be like, wait, why? Why do we hate Chrissy Teigen again? Like, why do people dislike her again? Or like, wait, why, why do we hate Chrissy Teigen again? Like, why do people dislike her again? Or like, wait, does Stassi still have fans? Does Stassi still have an Instagram following?

Like what's going on? Like you don't. And it's just so confusing. It is. And it's, I will say Hannah for you now that you're sitting with me, because I, listen, I was seeing it. I was literally watching all of it go down it's disgusting it's literally disgusting what happened to you for you going on a reality show but Alex I'm gonna be

honest in my head I'm like was Alex not gonna want to be my friend now because she saw this fake entertainment if anything I'll say this about you Hannah I think it shows you're one of the realest because I think in reality no I'm dead ass I'm dead ass and I'll say it about you, Hannah. I think it shows you're one of the realest because I think in reality, no, I'm dead ass. I'm dead ass and I'll say it and sorry if it's going to piss people off, but I think it's like, you got to be really frictioning with the fucking producer's idea

of where they want to take shit. Sorry, sue me. Don't give a fuck. Like you, people watch for 45 minutes once a week. Right. There are hours and hours and hours that we film. They have to cut it down right to a strict 45 minutes so people that are coming on our instagram being like oh my god i hate you i can't believe

you said that i can't believe that's what you like that's whose side you took like it's kind of like well you actually don't know me right you you saw a clip one percent of what my real personality is and like the vision that you have in your head about me isn't me and the vision i have in my head about who i am also isn't the full me back like people loved me my first two seasons i was about to say that you were like to the point that like that is also like you can't let your head get big with that but i went in i'm a people pleaser. I'm very coachable. I'm a formal athlete.

And I was just like, I'm ready to do the best I can. And I'm going to stand up for myself or suck in this house. But I do think that. Well, I think your narrative also didn't work. Let's just be real. You had Luke the year before and you were the thriving little person that everyone was like, what's happening with the relationship? Now you're engaged. Yeah.

People may be like, oh, that's not fun anymore don't care bye yeah so i do think you understand more than anyone what it's like to have people pick sides on friend fights yeah when they don't know what actually happened i don't think hannah knows how much i really do love her and see her as like one of my best friends because I am still involved with the like I am still on it and I will say this too I love her she is also one of my best friends like I was just in her wedding yeah and I loved being a part of it because her and I have a different bond but in no way does that and I got so much shit for this on Instagram, and just, like, I'm two-faced, and, like, I am a people pleaser, and I tell people what they want to hear.

And it was, like, no, like, I love these two girls. And at one point, the three of us laughed our asses off, like, every night at a dinner. We were best friends, the three of us. And I hated that, like, we weren't anymore. But I wasn't 16 years old and having to pick whose lunch table I'm sitting at like I can be friends with both of them and it'd be totally separate but I never wanted either of them to feel like hey when I'm with Hannah I'm talking shit about you and hey

when I'm with a man talking shit about you like because it's just not what it is because we're adults I would inevitably being so candid if I was Hannah and I think everyone try to put yourself in Hannah's shoes there's inevitably and you can correct me if I'm wrong and you know you're not pissed at Paige but like there's gonna be a little resentment of like come on yeah like come on have my fucking back. Then sitting where you're at, it's like, I've got you, but I can also be friends with someone else. And there's this weird dynamic of like, I don't know what I would do. I never wanted, I never want, I remember sitting at the reunion

and her whole body was shaking. And so I wasn't even listening to what people were saying. Because I was like, oh my God, she's like freaking out. And I have to have her back. And I'm yelling at people. I'm like, I don't even know what I said. But then I'd look across the room and I'd see him crying. And I was like, damn, I love her too though.

I don't want her to think that I'm just like all back up Hannah. But then I'm like, well, I don't want Hannah to think that I'm totally on her side. It was a lot. And I, my defense and the way I dealt with it was I just didn't say anything to either of them for months. And I never brought it up just thinking like, this will go away and we'll move past it. And like, we'll never talk about it again. How did you feel that you guys didn't have a conversation about it, Hannah? Well, we have to remember, this is reality TV we're talking about. And in real life, if there was a fight, it wouldn't be like eight people yelling at one person with cameras everywhere.

And I remember afterwards, I was like, okay, well, can I talk to a one-on-one, please? Yeah. Because also in my head head we never did anything to each other wait I don't know if I'm allowed to like talk about all this stuff either okay like I don't know if I'm really allowed to say something else and just in general like no names okay it's not but you guys can talk about the two of you. Yeah. Okay. Do you feel betrayed by Paige at all? No, because,

um, if I were you, I would a little, I just think if Paige didn't do what she did, she would have been in my position. I don't know if I agree. I, that's what I tell myself.

Okay, there you go. That gets you through the night. Yeah, fair, fair. I just know that, like, if she really, like, stood by me the whole way, it could have been both of us in a really bad position. But, okay, let's go back to friendships and how they evolve. If I was in high school and my friend was fighting with someone, I'd all day have her back and be like,

shut the fuck up, you don't even know. But as an adult, I also have to look objectively and be like, okay, well, I don't have an issue with this person. He didn't really do anything to me and I'm not really mad at him so I can't like blindly just be like fuck you because like okay well what is well and I also think let's be real here there are careers on the line yeah like well that's a big elephant in the room that no one's talking about yeah yeah like let's be really candid it's really just just career. There are large paychecks. Yes. That I would like to keep cashing. Got it.

Yeah. So like I can't. But I'm just saying there were moments when a certain person was accusing me of things that like he was also kind of talking about you. But I kind of like took the heat. Yeah. Yep. And honestly, it was like.

And I don't know why that I have gotten away with that shit since high school. My best friend from high school will be like you never got blamed for dude i hate you i hate you and i'm like i don't know how dude i think every single person listening maybe you are page or maybe you're the hannah but like there are people that literally somehow if there's two people in the fucking room saying the same exact thing it's gonna hit completely different when it's coming out of page and i we are different people so different and my energy when it comes to a dude who's trying to control people yeah it's gonna be different page is better at dealing with that than me yeah i'll kick some in the nuts i don't like i don't like how i i wish

like we can get better to it social media stuff is like when people make their apology videos or however, like or people are like you, like you're trying to defend yourself. You I see you at times you start to get emotional and riled up. Yeah, I got emotional back with shit. Yeah, but it's also because you're trying to defend yourself full. And like I joke page page this season was like you're so defensive. And I'm like like i feel like i every angle someone is coming at me about something and i'm on national tv and my nightmare is looking bad on national tv yeah your nightmare is looking stupid your nightmare and you're having

people hating you imagine going on a tv show and someone just yelling you're a bad friend with no and then everyone else just agreeing and you looking and feeling lost and being like I don't know if I could get out I can't imagine how much you wanted to just be like wait can we pause for a second I didn't pause no I quit the show like four times during filming yeah crying hysterically I was losing my mind is there anything if you could go back you would change and then you would change okay great question um this is gonna be really sad okay I can't trust people yeah like I just got really like it was really bad and I was like very trusting yeah and um I just I just hope like I did this for a reason so people I always just wanted to be a strong girl standing up for myself.

You can't trust that people, just because you're being authentic to yourself, that it's going to go okay. And then don't get crazy animosity towards people because they're dealing with their own stuff that you don't always understand and even if they're yelling at you very personal things on national television you can't get like your animosity get too big yeah because I don't hate any of those people like when I really think about it I don't I think also it's really different and I want to hear your answer page no I I literally started crying for you because I I think it's really really really weird we're talking about friendships

right and it's we're not talking right now about natural friends I've just refused to give up on my friendship with Paige like yeah despite what everything happened like if I lost I've lost everything yeah I've lost jobs I've lost. I can't talk to anyone from that show and I'm not going to lose page. Yeah. For you page. Like this is the time to be a friend to this person right now, because like this, like if this was you just,

that's where you really got to put yourself in her shoes. Like, I mean, Hannah's the only reason I could even do the first season I sucked I was horrible at being on camera I was horrible at having conversations Hannah was my security blanket the entire time yeah I couldn't speak up I couldn't do things like she's the only reason I am where I am today. And I mean, she's the only reason I feel comfortable talking about sex ever.

She's the only reason I feel comfortable being like, I don't have to wear makeup. I don't like I can put this on Instagram and be fine. She really I met her at such a pivotal time I was 25 when I met her thinking like I knew everything and this is the persona I want to put out on national TV and then she looked at me one day and was like but you don't have to put that out because that's not really who you are you don't have to be perfect yeah and she just changed a lot of who I am as an adult female would you change anything that how it went down I would have spoken up more and I would have like we had fun we had so much fucking fun I love doing it like I love being on television I love filming a tv show I love being on television. I love filming a TV show. I love showing my life.

And I loved doing it with my friends. And I loved doing it with Hannah. And I would have gone back to the start of when shit people started fighting and been like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, let's not do this. Like, let's listen to each other and let's not be so self-centered in ourselves. But also, we're not in the Peace Corps, you know? Like, we're supposed to. Well, I was going to ask you, Paige, is there any relief that Hannah's not coming back next season?

Yeah. Yeah. And that's just honest yeah there was because I was like okay well now I'm automatically not in the middle of the two of them and I can have my friendship with Hannah and I can have my friendship with these other people and they will never be mixed again and I got a lot of heat of like I was Hannah's puppet and like I only did whatever Hannah said. And I was like, well, that's that's dumb because I am my own person, too, and I have my own opinions and make my own decisions. But, yeah, I would be lying if I didn't say there was a relief because there was so much animosity when we were all in a room together.

Yeah. And I was the only person that was directly in the middle of it. And I had two sides being like what are you doing yeah like why are you siding with this person and why aren't you siding with this person and it was a lot and my defense mechanism is falling asleep and shutting the fuck up and that's exactly what I did all season because I was like I don't know what to do so I rather say nothing and it's hard when like for me to survive I needed Paige yeah because I was fighting with a couple yeah that's so that was a hard thing it was a number and then the couple has a lot of power right so they have a bunch of people that are following them

and I thought that I had I didn't realize there was such a hierarchy everyone that we were like our friends with and like that we did a tv show with like no one to their core is like an evil person like they really aren't people are dealing with different we're putting real extremes we're putting real extreme yeah well I'm just gonna say too what's happening right now is exactly what the empire that is reality tv wants two friends that started this loving each other you just talked about how she built you up as a woman yeah you went into this so genuine and now look where we are yeah that's the monster of look where i was a year ago like that's the monster that is what social media has created you said you left there in the pandemic after filming and not much was going on and the middle of the pandemic this shit airs and your

entire fucking life changes why because millions of people have a fucking opinion like that's fucking wild and what's also sad about it though is like this is a tv show i i was not in this last season so i couldn't work it out with these people is there anything you would want to say to them is there anything you would want to say or do you feel like you have your closure um you can't have fucking closure hannah there's no i don't know i don't have closure but i feel i just feel like i'm i'm working on like really trusting in the universe yeah and i'm trusting that like all i know is i'm i'm safe right now okay that's good people can try to do stuff but they can't take anything else away from me right because now i have my own stuff

and um i just hope that they don't that history doesn't repeat himself itself i don't wish what happened to me on any of them if you could i don't also want hannah to feel like she's hated by all of these people that's pretty hard probably they're trying really hard to make it clear that that is i mean exclusion is very difficult and this is on a very public platform yeah first fight i got uninvited to their wedding and I'm like okay this is clear is there anything that you during all of this like wanted to say to Paige but you never said fuck you no no no no my thing is just like sometimes I might have felt like I needed her to like for a second get out of the game.

Like I just needed like for a second because like there was a game being played that I lost the rules. I freaked out and I was behind. But it's hard because I still want Paige to succeed. Yeah. it's hard because I still want Paige to succeed yeah how do you think now your friendship has like changed because of this are you guys not as close anymore I actually feel like we're closer because I it's just like I don't I don't have anxiety about filming with her. But that seems pretty selfish.

Yeah. That is absolutely selfish. I would say that you probably are saying that though. And if I think about that, like you also, you guys just told me that you never fucking talked about this. So I wouldn't say that's that close. I will say, I do feel like I was, I'm a people pleaser and I would never want Paige to get mad at me but I I wish I pushed her more yeah to help resolve the issue not pick a side but to help be like yeah can you talk to her

because you guys just just saying all this shit and then just leaving her alone on an island and you guys are getting what you want right like I wish that Paige was like guys I know what you want right like i i wish that page was like guys i know what you're doing and i know you're winning this like reality tv fight to fuck off the dog is dead let's move on because there's real lives and money and hurt like it is a miracle that like i'm but here on the okay now i have to be devil's advocate no go for it yeah the way she's feeling they also felt like they felt like she was coming for them and i would have to say to them she's not she's not she thinks that you guys are i mean look at the confessionals yeah you don't i i didn't have a voice it was just people criticizing me all season. Yeah, you were never in confessionals. Yeah, we never.

They took my story away because my story was my truth. Yeah, you were gone. So when people said that was coming for them, I'm like, I'm being called lazy, sleeping in bed all day, avoiding any conflict because whenever I walk outside, there's a different accusation that I am badly defending myself at. I do think that I suffer in silence. I have my mom and my fiance.

For some reason, like, I don't, I'm bad with, like, calling friends and, like, emotionally dumping on them. Because also, like, it, and also Paige is a part of something that caused me so much pain. Right. So I'm not about to call her. And, like, I want her about to call her and like, like I want her to focus on her shit. Yeah. And cause I'm,

I'm team page. Yeah. And I know, I know like, I know that I have to focus on myself sometimes and like going back to what hurt you is not always the way to solve it. And I really take it like it's a course correction. Like the universe was like, get get out because my fiance was like you would have never

if if you weren't walloped if you weren't if they didn't drag you by your hair literally because I'm a fighter yeah you are I will say to you Hannah like I have a lot of respect as much as people can say like I wouldn't have done it this way that you're standing your career is thriving and you're fucking here I called her multiple times like during the whole thing like when everything was going on and said if this happened to me I can already tell you there's no way i would be where hannah is my instagram would have been deleted i would have been probably in a full psych like there's just i don't know myself as a person i'm not that strong like i just know i'm not and hannah i did google psych wards there needs to be like under a psych ward like a more more socially acceptable psych ward. Yeah, no, a retreat.

I want that. But like I need something more serious than a retreat. I wanted an in-between. And I think that speaks a lot. That's what you should hold within yourself is like the strength. But I do want people to understand that like my response to depression and anxiety is work. Because if I have to sit there with my thoughts and feel my shit, that is terrifying. So your girl is on tour your girl is cracking jokes but through that I do have to say like

daddy gang has helped me because daddy gang didn't meet me through reality tv yeah daddy gang met me through you yeah daddy gang was like oh I started watching us a little and I was like oof rough season they're like oh we don't give a shit. Yeah, we don't care. There's also these like internet crusaders who are like the social media police who are like, I heard her say this and like she should be canceled. And it's like, dude, oh, you've never said a sentence before that like you regret saying or that didn't come out the way you meant it. No, yours just aren't filmed or captured because no one gives a fuck about you. Sorry, but the numbers don't lie. Like people follow us. They don't follow you.

I don't know who the fuck you are. But like I know for a fact you've definitely said something at one point in your life that you regret. But I don't have the time to find it. But I bet you can. But I can't find it because no one films your day to day like they film ours. But I do have to say. That's just what it is. We are obsessed with making women great or evil

black or white and there's and everything is gray there's light and darkness to everything there's light and darkness to me light and darkness page light and darkness to you but the internet loves to be like this person is horrible it has to be one extreme and like i'm three weeks from now i might get like a great gig suddenly hen is incredible and you know what right blake horseman this guy in the bachelor once told me because he got a really bad edit once and he was like just remember as viewers the person you love is not as great as you think they are the person you hate is not as shitty as you think they are yeah and we're all vibing on different planes and different energies and dude that's a good one i'm just at the point where i don't know what the lesson of this is yet tbd next up it's coming but i'm here yeah i had a producer tell me when i first

started reality tv and they said 50 will love you 50 will hate you and neither of them are right and that's fucking terrifying yeah it's terrifying and so like i'll look at comments of people being like you look so pretty. I love this outfit. And like you get a little high from it. And then you have to be like, yeah, but like there's a filter on this. And like, yeah, I'm actually like I can't read that. But you find that one that's mean. People don't come for you unless you're loved.

That's true. Facts. They can't. People don't hate you unless they care. Yeah. They can't bring you down unless you're up yeah it's really fucking awful i do have to say i've gained a lot of empathy for people as in yeah i used to love being like what shit is going down with this person who they fucked up and even on giggly squad page and i now like something will happen to someone and we always try to see like the full picture because it's so we we don't know them though it's so fun to jump on the bandwagon

it's so fun to be like we we've hate them we love them dude every fucking time i see drama now i will admit i used to be like this is fun i now being the center of it was like you look at those moments and then the minute you see something online it's a fun moment for people to like gawk over like this is so fun like think about what that person's fucking doing in their room right now miserable psychology behind like the idea of the group yeah and like it's like if we were all started to like stand up and sit down everyone would start doing it it's like we see someone leaving a bunch of hate on someone's page we for some reason think it's okay it's the group think mentality and it's okay it's the group think

mentality and it's disgusting yeah that's where like when people get mad that like we delete comments on our instagram yeah i don't want to read a comment over and over that says to go kill myself like i'm gonna delete it this is my page yeah i would love to know what you would do right on yours you need to come through to your house with messy shoes we got another metaphor y'all no yeah it's okay but i get where you're going with it but it's true it's like do when people like she deletes comments i'm like no shit you fucking cunt if you people post like lies straight up on my page and i'm like i'm not leaving that up my grandma follows me now reading i did front page news

all the time and i haven't done it in a while i started to feel like icky about it because i was like okay i will read things about celebrities online and be like damn that's crazy but now you're too close to it that you're like and now i'll read things about myself and i'll be like well that's not true how many things have i read that also weren't it's the media chain so now i've sticked to talking about like what did jlo wear in that picture with ben like i don't care if they're not really dating or if they are i just like them this like i like these things but it's hard to have an opinion on other people's lives when you don't really fucking know them and like just because they're an actor or a singer and you want to know what they're doing because you like them i get that i love that i also have people that i'm like obsessed with but like i don't know them yeah and like

people don't really know us what do you guys think would happen if giggly squad stopped i think the only way giggly squad would stop is if hannah was like hey I'm doing like a full fucking comedy show where I'm doing one every single night for three months like I don't have time to do this or if I was like hey I'm gonna go do this clothing line or something like it would only really stop if one of us had another opportunity that was like I gotta do this but do you feel like if it did stop your friendship would kind of wane out we would have to have a different schedule of our lives I mean if anything giggly squad is just we don't have to set up dinners right because we have like full two hours where we talk shit every week right the only reason we don't talk as much during the week

is because I'm like fuck I'll save this for the podcast. We literally have a list where we just add. But I do have to say about Giggly Squad. And Paige, tell me if you disagree. It didn't start as a business. It started as... It never does. You never think it's going to be successful.

And we started just during quarantine at 10 p.m. talking so much shit. And I do think the success of Giggly Squad added to a lot of drama this season. Yeah. And it's just like people saying like you don't have a job, like you don't do anything. This is fucking mentally draining. Like on another level. Even just like getting on a podcast and talking about all this shit. I'm already running in my head like, damn.

OK, when people listen to this, are people going to text me? people of course me of course like is like am i gonna get in trouble at work right i'm already running through that i just said to you hannah i was like you're not speaking what the minute all this turns off and you all leave and then if i pulled you aside i'm like what did you actually want to say to page you'd be like stand the fuck up for me yeah do something but you can't like everything has to be calculated in a way that's like so fucking unhealthy yeah yeah people can use anything against you anything i mean the whole argument in my like reunion if people watched was that i talked on podcasts about because i was i was fighting as hard as i could to save my online persona yeah fighting and they didn't like that because they wanted me to die like a dead dog that sounded so new york die like a dead dog die like a dead dog which you

kind of did which you kind of did baby i do have to say we have been through a lot of shit together where like if you can survive reality tv it does bring you very close to next time. I don't know if I necessarily survived it, but like we did make it. Well, it's just a, it's just a situation that like not a lot of people can relate to it and you can't really relate to it unless you've filmed a reality TV show.

So I would also just like to say like, you guys have to try to remember if I could give you again, any advice of like, you are the one that's sitting here right now like you could be next page although history saying since high school that you never get in trouble with fucking shit so maybe it's not gonna be you but there could be another version of this and it's like remember who was there for you and also just like keep in mind that like, it just keeps going. Like the shit eats all of us. I mean,

I actively film now and think of Hannah a lot of being like, okay, I never spoke up on certain things I should have spoken up. Do it now. Like you can, I'll never be able to go back and change anything. I can only be better this sounds so cliche but like every day forward but like now I do find myself in situations where I'm

like no I don't agree with that or like no I think you're actually wrong which I'm sure again you've learned so much too with to a certain extent don't go so hard though because look what happens but i do have to say in a friend group if you become isolated it is so easy yeah to be snipped that's why i feel like people listening like i feel like everyone can relate to that whether like high school middle school college like i've been there where like you ever walk into a room and feel like everyone was just talking about yeah it's the worst feeling because they were like that's literally where they were but then but then for the world to judge it and be like you deserve that dude it's fucked worst feeling because they were like but then but then for the world to judge it and be like you deserve that dude it's fucked oh my god girls i feel like we just had like a little

therapy session i feel cry on camera i feel lighter i feel like that's the point of call her daddy you come in here you have a little fucking i love how you've literally went from teaching how to give a double hint to luck luck seven billion and then now you are sitting angelically zen mode and you've transitioned to but you made me cry in an interview you don't just do that like you're the reason i went back to therapy shut the fuck up yeah i listened to the podcast where you had the therapist from a girl yeah and i was like damn i need to start again it changes you yeah it does and i feel like a way better version of myself to myself to my boyfriend to my family to my friends and also to this show yeah and we want to thank you for giving us a platform to

be ourselves i'm so happy that you guys also in a weird way kind of got to like open a conversation that maybe wasn't gonna happen without like a mediator look at me we're in couples therapy yeah um but it's it's really cool to see also your guys journey individually and also together and like i'm fucking proud of you guys like as women like you guys are killing it and just remember like this moment here. This is what matters. Not all the bullshit online. Okay. Daddy gang. I felt like I was sitting on a therapy couch.

Couples therapy with Hannah and Paige and daddy gang. We can all relate to being caught in the middle of a fight, being hurt and upset with a friend and having absolutely no idea how to go about it also not knowing when you can pull the friend card and be like I need you to stand up for me you can't be in the middle you need to take a fucking side or is that ever right I think in friendships especially it's so easy sometimes to sweep things under the rug and be like, well, if I don't say anything or act like anything happened and time passes, everything will be okay. We equate confronting a friend to drama. I'm telling you, it's not drama. It's necessary. I don't know. I think it was really behind the scenes and under the surface of what's

going on and I'm really fucking fortunate to have had that as our first threesome on call her daddy so thank you Hannah for your vulnerability and thank you Paige for being so open and also giving us a very vulnerable side of yourself daddy gang you know the motherfucking drill I will see you fuckers next Wednesday as if you guys didn't get enough um Paige hannah and i we discussed page's relationship and just even more girl talk there was so much from this episode if you guys enjoy summer if you guys enjoy reality tv all the drama all the relationship shit enjoy here's a little bit more of the interview i mean i'm in a very new relationship and I don't think I've. How is that going? Amazing.

Like, I don't think I've been this happy or this excited to date someone since I was in college. Did you give your ex a heads up or no? So funny you ask that because I texted like a bunch of my guy friends who are friends with him. And I said, do I need to tell him that I have a boyfriend or is like that weird? Right. And my girlfriends were like no like what would he tell you would you care right and he texted me a couple weeks after it happened to tell me something about like a mutual friend or something and I said

he was like and how are you and I was like well I'm actually dating someone he said no I know like very happy for you and it was was, like, very cordial. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Do you. She was boring. Yeah. She was boring.

Let me try to get more tea. Interesting. It was really, really cordial and great. She goes, it was mature. It was really healthy. Yeah. Why do you like him? Can I ask you that?

Yeah. We. I've met him three years ago. I always had a crush on him. I was always, yeah we I've met him three years ago I always had a crush on him I was always like obviously attracted to him but as I got to know him more he just got me and this is gonna sound so dumb but like listened to what I said and not like agreed with me but had just like a similar opinion on things like we saw things the same and I instantly felt very comfortable with him. I mean, I filmed a TV show with him.

So you're already have this like weird bond. And I just always felt myself gravitating toward him. And I just like it. Like, I just like him. What is his personality like? He's fucking crazy. I don't know anything about this yet I need to like google no he's very opinionated he's very loud like when he's in a room you absolutely know it but he is also one of the most compassionate

people I've ever met in my entire life like ever he does all these like charities and like we'll be walking down the street in Charleston I'll stop and have a full conversation I'll be like how do you know him he's like that's Joe and he's like just got a job and he like and says all these things and I look at him and I'm just like wow I know we don't say I love you I yeah like in my head I'm like oh my god like it's just a different feeling have your parents met him no have you met his I've met his they're so nice it's like why haven't your parents met him I just like I haven't taken him home with me yet he's filming he's met my brother though which is actually the most important to me didn't when we had our episode we were like our brothers yeah we'll be like does he like him yeah and well

he met him before we were dating before we were even talking oh okay we'll be like does he like him yeah and well he met him before we were dating before we were even talking oh okay that's helpful and they hit it off immediately they're both lawyers and they started talking about something and i walked over to them and i was said something and they both looked at me like yeah like we're talking and in my head i was like absolutely love this like know that i will date this guy soon wow yeah so i'm really excited about that we is this crazy that you're actually in a relationship like a reality tv relationship yes it's terrifying because every single from start from the start has been filmed so like when you start a relationship you're awkward it's like you don't know what's gonna

happen and then for like a camera to be in your face and be like how do you feel dude that's like yeah no it's terrifying and so people are like why isn't she posted it like this is a pr stunt it's like no i haven't said anything because i'm scared would you get paid extra money if you say the first time you say i love you is on tv don't lie no no no no no are you gonna be one of those girls that has your wedding on reality TV page? No, I actually do not think so at all. And he feels the same. He was like, I don't know if I would ever film my wedding.

And I was like, I don't think I would either. We do have like similar perspectives on big things. What does he do for a living? So he's a lawyer. And then he also owns it's called sewing down south okay so he owns this like whole pillow and like home line can i be honest yeah i am a little like i would be especially because of your ex like i would be a little weary of a guy that's on reality tv i absolutely ran through my head like i'm like why are you on reality tv like what

are you doing with your life and like are you a fucking weirdo talk and be like we're not like like my boyfriend went in film and she was like who cares because like you don't want to be with someone who's on reality tv anyway yeah and i was like you're so right and then i've dated all this year and i never felt the way i felt when I started like seeing him then you know and I was like damn well maybe this does work and my biggest problems in my last relationship was because he didn't fucking get what I did so like being able to sit on the couch with Craig and be like I'm fucking anxious yeah and him be like I totally get it don't watch the episode I would actually say that I I can agree with you on the fact that in this world, and I'm

sure Hannah, you feel the same way about Des, like we are in very weird situations that you can't go. Like I said, all the way back to the beginning of you can't maybe go to your childhood best friend about the shit that we're talking about right now. Like, I love that my boyfriend, someone in the industry, you can now be like, I hated how they made that edit. And your old boyfriend would be like, I hated how they made that edit. And your old boyfriend would be like, huh? Yeah.

No, seriously. And he'd be like, why do you do it then? Like, what do you want to be? A reality TV star? And Craig will be like, your one liner was so fucking good. And like your outfit was so good. And I'm like, this was the validation I needed. It's like, you got to have people around you that are supportive and like believe in you yeah the

girls listening i don't care how fucking successful he is if he's draining you and dimming your light you're not gonna be happy you're not just gonna hold his ass down all the time you're on the rise of your career right now keep in mind the people that fucking matter yeah that's what i would say to the two of you right now and have a fucking conversation more often than not and it's gonna be painful we're gonna get in the uber after this and be like what the fuck are you mad about dude just like a romantic relationship communication this shit especially if you're in fucking business together and then after this everyone else listening don't get into business with your friends bye yeah it's weird i mean i don't think i ever would get in business with a friend other than it being like our

public persona, like talking. Like I'm not starting a clothing line and bringing in at some. But I do have to say also Paige and I are not financially dependent on Giggly Squad. And I think that's great. That's good. That's really good. That actually,

because literally if Paige was like, I don't want to do this show or whatever, I'd be like, right. I'm not going to be like, but I need this to be my brand and I think that we're lucky in that way that's really good