Call Her Daddy - Alex Cooper Presents: A Grammy Special (ft. Rosé)

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

In this Grammy’s special, Alex travels to Korea to experience life in Seoul through Rosé’s eyes. Rosé shows Alex all her favorite spots in the city and opens up about finding her identity, healing from toxic relationships, being nominated for her first ever Grammy, navigating intense media scrutiny, and coming back to Blackpink after a transformative year solo. Enjoy! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hi, my name's Reza. Hi everyone. Be there. It's very big. Black Pink is being called the biggest pop band in the world. Billions! We could be a view. Black Pink arrived with such a force.

Black Pink's Rose is her solo project. Can we do that one more time? That was fun. Jose finding huge success as a solo act. To be Getsuangue Game, Lendom Game, game, game style. First Korean female act. Present to you.

Rose. I'm just seeing you so much to me. The final list of nominees for these annual Grammy Awards. For Song of the Year, Apatay. Welcome to a special edition of Call Her Daddy. We are going to do things just a little bit differently today. I came to Seoul to interview someone very special, immerse myself in her culture, and

Maybe have a little fun along the way. So, if you're ready, let's get into it. Founding father, Alex Cooper, with call. Alex Cooper, welcome to Korea. Rose, welcome to call her daddy. Hi. Oh, my God, welcome to call her daddy. Thank you.

Oh, my gosh. It feels like I'm watching a screen. I know. I feel like I've been watching you for hours prepping for this and to see you in person. I'm like, oh my God, it's you. We're here. Yeah, this is crazy.

Okay, this is my first time ever in Korea. Yay! I feel so honored that I get to spend this time with you. So, should we get going? Oh, please. Wait, when did you arrive? Like 10 hours ago. Oh my gosh.

We need you coffee. Let's go get coffee. Let's go. Let's go. Can you even go to a coffee shop? Because we have this entire place shut down. Shut down for you. Like, can you go normal places?

Um, if I like cover up properly, it's a, It's usually like the hair. I have like a cap on and then I look like a murderer, basically. And everyone's like, and I'm just like this dark thing walking around. But if I can just like cover it up, then I can. I mean, you are sitting in front of me. You're a global superstar. But I do kind of want to go back before all of this.

YG Entertainment was holding auditions and your dad encouraged you to try out. Can you talk to me about what that process was like a little bit? I think me growing up, like even culturally, my parents, it wasn't like, it wasn't a normal thing to, like, send me off to, like, something like that or like classes or anything like that. And so I would always just sing at home, just like on the piano. And it was like, never taken lessons before. So it was very, like, organic and stuff. But for him to be like, do and take an audition, I was like, like, what? me like what do you mean i'm like i don't have any i don't i'm not a great singer am i i i'm like

am i dad no you're like wait tell me again dad should i do this yeah but then rosy you go and you audition and you come in first out of thousands of people were you nervous going into the audition or were you like i've got this no i was like laughing because i when i was like in the line all these girls were like playing me they're like hi i wrote this song and they were like wow and they'd play incredible just oh they're really good in my opinion and I was like oh my god this is terrible and I walk in being like well I'm just going to have to consider it a good experience and just have fun what do you think YG saw in you know I've no I've no idea maybe they could have met because I remember they were planning on making this group that

eventually turned into black pink. And maybe I fit that category or maybe I think like since I was from Australia, I feel like that was probably something different. And like I was from like a different area. It wasn't even from the US. And back then there weren't many foreign people in these Korean groups. And then you get the call and you obviously get accepted. You grew up in Australia, but trainees have to live full time in Korea to do this program. How did you feel when you found out that at 15 years old, you were going to have to move to a new country alone? Like, were you scared?

No. I was just excited. I was like, oh, my God, this is so exciting. This is, like, so dramatic. I'm like, leave you. I'm like, bye, everyone. I'm like, where are you going? I'm like, I don't know how to explain it.

You're like, I'll see you guys later. Yeah. It felt so special. And then it all just kind of was like, and then reality kicked in. Was there a moment you can remember where it really sunk in like, oh my God, this is happening and I'm completely alone. Like my family's gone. I'm 15 years old. Here we go. I think it was like as soon as they dropped me off.

So we got to the building and they were really nice and accommodating to like my whole family and they showed us around like, this is a recording studio. this will be like da-da-da-da and then we go to the basement where the rehearsal space was and then they introduced me to the girls and I was like so shy and I'm like oh my god this is so fun but like exciting and scary and yeah and then they and then I said hi and then I remember I looked turned to my parents and they were outside the room they're like all right we're leaving now and I remember being like wait where are you going and they're like you well you have to stay here and now like practice with the girls and I remember be like like oh and I and they were all watching me so I didn't have time to process it and then remember they like okay and then they just gave me like a

rough hug and then the door closes and I remember so they were all looking at me and then I rushed to the corner so the door is at the corner so the door closed and then I like put my nose like on the corner and then just start sobbing and then the girls all came around and like hugged me But I was so scared. Like, of course. At 15 years old, like, I think the most I could equate it for people in America would be if you went to boarding school as a kid, right? And you get sent away for high school and you go on this excursion for a couple years.

What do you think was one of the scariest things back then that you had to like do alone for the first time without your parents once you got into the program? I think just honestly, like understanding the culture and then realize that you had to like, hierarchy and like and having to like put yourself somewhere and amongst all these people when I don't have any social skills yet. I think that's quite scary. It is I had to I guess had to do that quite early on and to start navigating, okay who are who are the people here that are going to protect me and are they going to protect me or is that just going to be me? And I think that's just a question that obviously potentially doesn't naturally come to a 15-year-old.

And just the contrast of having like full family growing up to like none in a day. You're on your own? Yeah. Do you remember a moment that you were like, oh, I thought I could trust this person and that didn't work out so well? I think like I had trust for like everyone growing up because I mean I grew up in Australia and like, Everyone's just, you have your parents as well and you're just in like school and it's protected environments and parents would take me to church and again protected environments. And my parents know everyone that's going to take care of me whenever they drop you off anywhere. But I think slowly realized with that when you're when you're taking away from your parents, I think as a child, you just instantly realize that, oh, like I can't trust anyone until like you grow up as an adult.

yourself and then you know how to protect yourself. That's when you can start, you know, choosing who you can trust. But I think at that time, I feel like I probably realize, like, for now, can't trust anyone. The training process was so intense. And I think there's a lot of people that maybe aren't familiar with it. And it's essentially this 24-7 boot camp where you are training, you are doing singing, dancing, language skills, PR, stage presence. Once you got fully immersed in it and you started taking these classes. What do you think was the biggest shock to you of all of the training that you were going through? Well, I guess, but I went at such a young age that I didn't understand the concept of rest. And now that I'm an adult, now I realize.

And then what freedom might mean. Because in the past, it was just a child. And so, like, when they told me to, I'm like, okay. And then now I think about it to kind of. And then now I think about it to kind of do something like every single day like with no time off like I don't remember from 16 to 20 I don't remember what like hanging out or just relaxing was I mean I didn't have any other friends other than the girls that I trained with as well 11 a.m. to 2 a.m. was our training hours and then I think it was bit shocking that we all had to just stay in this big dance studio and this extra small studio and just share it all together. So we'd all have earphones and like iPads and just sit around and find places to like have privacy. Right so you kind of didn't or you didn't have privacy essentially. Yeah,

yeah. Oh and so like the only time I noticed that I was alone was when I was in the shower. So I would wake up earlier than anyone just so that I can have 34 minutes in the shower. I remember I'd just cry in the because I never wanted to show anyone my tears when I want to look a week. And so like I remember I'd be like cry in the shower and then I'd be like, then I walk out and be like, I'm back. What were you crying about? I mean, being away from home and just, I guess. Yeah. And I was just like also going through being a teenager and everything.

And so I think I remember doing that and just realizing there's no privacy whatsoever. But we even shared a big like the living. room was a wardrobe because we didn't have enough space for everybody's clothes because it was the tiniest apartment back then. And so we would, the whole living room was just clothes. After your debut, you guys all shot to insane levels of global fame overnight. You said in an interview that freedom for you is being anonymous. What did you mean by that? Yeah, I think I still feel that way. So freedom is like, I mean, the feeling of the opposite of the word kind of feels like, because I'm not anonymous, I guess, a lot more people than before recognize me.

And so it does kind of stop me from having some experiences. And so I feel like if I were to be anonymous for a day, then I would feel free to do so many fun things. What do you think you would do? If you could, all the attention, the noise is turned off, no one knows who you are, you're allowed to go anywhere in the world. What would you do? I would go to, like, the busiest place on earth and just, like, walk down and just...

Like where, New York, Seoul? Yep, New York, Seoul. Or, like, any, like, theme park and just walk on the streets. And then, like, I don't know, just, like, that's what I... Yeah, so, like, I still go, but, like, I, like, you know, kind of have to, like, hide, but I'd look cute, first of all. I'd dress cute. No, like, scarf around your face. None of that. I'd dress really cute, and I would go with friends, or...

This is, like, the funniest thing. It's been my... I don't know if I should say it, but... Like, my dream for a long time is, like, I don't... Like, I've always, like, from, like, when I was, like, I think a teenager, dreamed of going to a theme park with a boyfriend. Rosie? No. You know how like we kind of shade the people who are like in love and line? You know how we kind of like, ugh, but I've always wanted to try that.

You're like, I want to do those cute cringe things, like hold hands on like... And be annoying and have people be like, oh my God, and be like, well. And like take cute pictures and like have no one watching you, but like have a moment where you could just be cute and corny and cheesy. And not I have to think about anyone taking pictures. If anything, you're the only two taking pictures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, wow. I know and how crazy.

It's like the world would do anything to see you actually do that. Because they're like, who is it? Who is she with? Yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, my God, maybe we, you know what? Someone needs to get that for you for like a holiday. Like shut down the theme park.

Let you go with a boy. And go and enjoy yourself. Hiss on the Ferris wheel. I'd go home and I'd like write in my journal. Today I finally. Dear diary. Dear diary. Today I went on the tilt whirl and we held hands and kissed.

And kissed. I'm happy. I'm free. I'm free. Oh my God. That's a door. I know. It's really dumb, but yeah.

It's not dumb. I think you can dream about those little things because you're also still a girl at heart and you're still normal to yourself, right? There's so much you just said that I want to unpack, but I think we should do it over some food. What do you think? Oh, please. I've actually been really hungry this whole time. Right? I feel like I have the best tour guide today.

I'm like, take me to get some food, Rosie. Oh, my God. There are so many things I can think of right now. And I'm really excited. We made it. We're here. Tell me how you picked this place. Well, I was like thinking, where could I take Alex?

So traditionally they're like way more but I think a lot has kind of disappeared but usually outside there's like a tent and they're called pojang macha and this is the kitchen of it obviously so we're not in the tent but then people used to that like on the streets there'd be tents and if you go inside it's like really warm inside and like plastic tables just very like cheap like furniture and stuff and a lot of people just you know on their way to back from work or they would stop by for like a drink and some really good Korean food. And I think it's like a really traditional thing. And I haven't actually been to one in a while.

And I thought it'd be like a fun experience to kind of come with you. I am honored. I also was thinking I'm so happy that I'm able to bring you somewhere that obviously you couldn't go normally every day. And yes, we shut this place down. But I also wouldn't have found this myself. So we're both here. And we usually wouldn't be able to.

able to come here because I wouldn't have found it and you can't because you're too famous. So let's cheers to that. Let's cheers to that. Okay, what are we drinking? I think at a place like this, you have to do the somec. Okay. And it's just beer with a shot of soju. Here I'm going to show off my skills.

I just learned this skill, so I hope this is going to be great. I literally learned it like last week from my friends. Um, so this is what they did. Let me... What is this skill? What is this skill? They just get two surgery glasses and measure it like that and then usually it's like best if you kind of Oh my god.

I am your bartender basically and you mix this with the beer. Mm-hmm. Is this kind of traditional like everyone drinks this? Yes. Othdea? I'm asking the cameraman here. Um, yeah. Some more,

don't do you, what are you asking him? I'm asking him if he thinks this is a good, um, ratio. Okay, this one. Okay, I'll have this one, this one looks good. Okay. What makes one look good and one lot not look good? I think I did a bit more here.

And then I think that's just what they do. I didn't put my mouth on that, so there you go. So you don't stir it, you just hit it? I mean, apparently, I think that works. Okay, there we go. And then, cheers. Cheers. Cheers.

After you start drinking this, I've tried just be beer on its own and it's a bit like boring. So do you drink this usually if you're going out for a night out? In Korea, yes. Okay, and what else are you drinking if you're not in Korea? Are you a tequila girl? Oh, I'm a vodka girl. Tequila tastes like vomit from the worst nights of my life, so I just, I cannot. Okay, but you've drank it on the worst nights of your life. As in the best and then worst endings of my life. So fair, you have to keep it for like special occasions. Okay, we're about to eat a lot of food. A lot, a lot.

Oh my god, thank you so much. This is Gernambani, which is like an omelette, basically. That looks delicious. With vegetables and... This is kimchi stew. This is gonna keep us warm. Guys, it's freezing in Korea right now. We're not just being like bougie with our jackets on, we're actually cold.

Thank you. Wow. Oh my god, wait, wait, wait. This is like one of my favorites. What is this? It's just dried squid and then this is a really good sauce. We'll let this cool off. Let's just start with culture.

You left Australia, you moved to Korea, you've talked about how it was a culture shock. Like you were one of the only Koreans when you were at school in Australia. Then you come to Korea and it's like, are you Korean enough? Yeah, no, that's a really good question. Like, I think I always grew up feeling like I definitely look different from everyone in my class. in my class and that was fine but just somewhat felt like a bit different and my culture at home was different because my parents were both from Korea and I think moving to Korea I was very excited and I instantly thought that you know everyone there would be like me and obviously I haven't

grown up here there was so much to learn from and I think just like in terms of how people are you know, like when certain people meet for the first time, like manners are different. And in an elevator, like how your manners would be in an elevator to like buying things over just a counter. And like in all of that, everyone has such different mannerisms. And just like learning from like about all of that was much more difficult than I thought. And yes, they came the question of, am I Korean enough? And I definitely have felt a little bit like, because I'm just purely half, like, when I went to school, half very, like, Australian culture.

And then I'm also, like, not. And then coming here, it was just like, my whole life has been a bit, and I'm sure a lot of people share the same feeling of just trying to figure out where I belong. But lately, because I've been traveling a lot, I've been traveling to like London, to like New York, to L.A., back to Korea. And then, like, for tour, we go to, like, Asia, like Thailand and all in Japan. And because I'm traveling a lot, I think more and more I do that, I feel like I just belong to myself. And whatever culture I am, it's just a mixture of a bunch of things. and I think late 20s now I feel much more comfortable and that's why I love traveling

and I feel like I relate to a lot of people and yes I do feel a bit alienated from certain crowds but I think there's a beauty in that and there was a time where it hurt a bit like when you're much younger but like you know that's why I'm really grateful for my job as well because it you know it gives me the art of taverning

and I think what's so beautiful which is a good message for anyone listening It's like you at first are just trying to fit in and you're trying to be like, I'm like this person or this person. What makes you so beautiful is that you are unique and you have these different backgrounds that make you who you are, that made you stand out when you did that audition and YG saw you and thought, oh, this girl should come, right? Like there's something about it that's also so beautiful that you bring these different elements into your life that you have to look at it as a positive. Okay, let's see. Shall we?

What is this called? This is just a ozinger, which is squid. Okay. And this is Congyang chungang chungchumayo choyer, which is like basically saying like chili pepper and mayonnaise. So we just break it off? I would usually grab it and then rip it. I'm, if you, this, this, I don't wash my hands, so I just asked her to... Ripe it for us?

Okay. And then that's just omelet, so you can try that with ketchup, so it's good old. I'm going for the omelet guys. This is my heaven. How is the omelet? It's so yummy. What is this? This is pork.

That with this, okay, this is, oh my, I'm going to teach you. So get a piece of lettuce. It's like a big one as fine too, yes. You grab a piece, you grab a bit of sauce, like that. Oh, so we, Cheongyang-coch who can you can't. Thank you. Whoa.

What? What? I'm just really excited. I need to come back here again. It's so funny, I eat the same things every day and I still get excited. Whenever you come to LA, I'm gonna take you to my favorite spot.

Sweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. I realized that I haven't acknowledged. I started this episode and I referred to as Rose A. Oh, yes. And then now I'm calling you Rosie. Something happened.

Something happened. Because I think a lot of people are familiar with, you know, know, pop stars have these alter egos on stage, and then they're also a little bit potentially different behind the scenes. Can you talk about what the difference is between those two personas? I think, you know, like I started off as my whole career started as Black Pink, and I feel like it was so much fun creating this character on stage, because I'm just from like Australia, like in my bedroom, but like it was so much fun creating. this like pop star like character.

It was so much fun and then I think creating my first solo album, it was my discovery of like, you know, who am I? And like when I was naming the album, I really thought a lot about it. There was like options like, you know, number one girl. And then a lot of people did, like was like, what about Rosie? And at first I was like, oh, it seems a bit like narcissistic. Sorry that I'm like, I'm not sure. Right.

And then it slowly grew on me and then, you know, just the idea of it being rosy. Because rosé has been such a big part of my life and that's what we present ourselves as black pink, black pink rose. And I felt like this was very opposite. Thank you. Yeah, I'm so I noticed that it was closer to kind of introducing a different version of me Like, because it combined all the stories I would talk about with my friends and family. And they call me Rosie at home. And, of course, the online name that the company had made for me at the beginning of Black Pink,

I remember when it happened. It was like the day before they released my profile picture, they were like, rosé and like the name got announced. And did you get to pick that or did they come up with it? They actually came up with it and I freaked out. It was like, I think it was like eight hours before it came out. And I was like, I was like, what? I mean, it's a great name, but like. I love it now.

But at the time, I was like, what is it? Rose. I'm like, at first I was like, I sound like a grandma. At the beginning, until it, like, has settled. Did you know that you were going to have a different name presented? Or did you think you were going to be presented as Rosie? I don't know. I don't think I really thought about that.

And everyone called me Rosie. And I guess back then I had no clue about like, I'd never questioned what's my name going to be. I never even questioned that. And then they were like, hear me out Rosie. And then they like, type it on the computer and they're like, look, it's going to look so cool. And then I saw it on screen and that's when I was like, okay, it looks nice. You know, yeah, and so, yeah. Perfect timing.

Okay. Wait, we still haven't tried your favorite thing. That one might be a bit interesting. We'll see if you like that. What do you mean by that, Rosie? It's just dried. What are you trying to say? Should I go for it?

So it's dry squid. Okay, dry squid. And then I usually just dip it in the green one. It's a bit spicy, so you have to... Okay. I don't know how good you are with spicy, I'm not sure. I think I'm pretty good. Okay.

I say that in less. Take that big chunk off. Yeah, that might be better. I'm not. trying to kill you on our first hangout okay ah, thank you. Ah, yeah,

it's really hard. Okay, you don't... You have to chew on it, chew on it. Or rip it. Do you want it? Just take your time. Okay. Okay.

You're like, what? I wasn't ready for that. It's just, it's not that crazy, but it goes really well with beer. You're like, what? This is why? I was so excited for this though because I would never have ordered this myself because I would have been like, what is that? I don't even know what to do with that.

And the fact that I now have enough information that I can go to my friends and be like, this with beer is amazing. Oh, that's really interesting. I've never tasted anything like it. I think if somebody introduced that to me, like after I grew up, I'd be like, what? But my parents would like, every time we watch TV together, my mom would like get one and then like, you know, kind of grill over. over the stove and bringing it's like nice and warm and then it'd just be like so good. I want to talk to you about how we don't obviously have this in America but you are literally referred to as an idol, right?

And the pressures that initially come with that culturally when you come to Korea and you become okay pop star, like how has that impacted your self-esteem? I think from a young age it's just kind of like trained my brain to dream like big. And I think, which is crazy this is kind of almost happening now, is that like I always kind of thought like, I really want to like be as big as like like, I don't know, like Beyonce and I loved her and like Michael Jackson and I thought like I'm going to be big. And then I guess over the years I think reality kind of hit. Now looking back, I think it means way more to me than I thought it does.

And myself and many other girls and kids around the world who are now seeing a bit of a difference in culture. And I think it does excite me, and it scares me a little bit, to be honest. But ultimately, I think it'll just make me really happy if any girl in high school now just feels like they can go to school. and talk about Korean food that they like or anything different or the type of music they like. So whatever that music is, even if it's not like the cool thing at school where everybody likes it,

even if it's a bit different, then everyone accepts, oh, there are people who like different things. And we're all from the same world and we're all now connected, you know, with this era of media and technology. I'm grateful to be a part of it. I think now I'm just like, you know, it's a bit like I'm so flabbergasted. Well, it's cool too because what you're essentially saying is you didn't have fully someone of representation that you could luck up to as a kid that was diverse in the way of where they came from and what they did and what they were doing and what they wanted and they weren't vocal about it. And because maybe there wasn't a platform or there wasn't someone who existed, you're now.

the girl that you wished you could have looked up to as a young child. I think so. And so how cool that you're providing that for young women now, even if you're different, even if you don't have the same story of the people that you see online, then create your own story and share your own story and how beautiful is that? Yeah. And I was just thinking as you were speaking, like, even vice versa, like, even coming to Korea, I think there was a moment where I was like, oh, I wish I was just, I wish I went to school here. And I wish I like knew the same jokes as all the other girls and I wish I was as cool as like the girls who went to school here in Korea

Because I was just like I'm like a foreign I kind of seem like a foreigner like my accent is a little different and the way I say things isn't as cool as the other girls here So vice versa I think there was even a period that while I was here too like I wished like I was part of like the majority And so I think it's it just obviously proves to show that like anyone around the world can feel bit isolated and a bit alienated But it's amazing to see so many people like just being given the same platform and given the same flowers that as anyone else has Who has achieved something or has done something amazing or has worked really hard on somethings and I get nervous thinking about it and I don't know why and I feel like I just everything's happening so quick Yeah But why like you feel like you don't have time to digest it and like kind of sit back? I understand the meaning like what that means to me I think I always kind of thought of

was very simple, like if I get up on stage and even the VMAs, you know, and just, I thought it'd be very simple and, like, straightforward, but I feel like maybe because I, you know, a lot of different things, like... It's complicated. Yeah, who do I want to be for the people that I want to inspire? And what does it mean to me, first of all, like, navigating all of that. But just this whole thing has just been really, really incredible to watch. I also think that, and that's so relatable for a lot of young women.

to older women is like, feel like we're always lost and torn between feeling comfortable in our own skin, feeling like an other in a room, like you said, feeling like you wished you could relate to those girls, but now that's actually your superpower that you had this advantage of, but at the time when you feel like the other, there's nothing worse than that. But then when you look back and you have the perspective of how that made you special and unique, you wish someone would tell you that in the moment. So I think sometimes we're trying to come to the conclusion of anyone watching and listening of like, why do I feel alienated and why do I feel alone and how do I make sense of this?

And it's like sometimes you really just have to live through it and not try to overcomplicate it and just let yourself be in your emotions. And a lot of times it just has to be perspective, lived experience, right? But we all are so understandably insecure and we want to fit in because that's... We're human. Yeah, we're human. Yeah, we just want to feel normal. And here we are from such different cultures and such different backgrounds.

And I feel like already being in Korea, I was so excited to immerse myself in this culture and learn about you. And I feel like there are so many similarities that I find between us as human beings. And to feel like home wherever you are, just as long as people connect like that, I think it's like, it's really magical and I'd feel really grateful. I wanted to thank you for inviting me to your show this weekend. Oh, yes. Yes. To anyone who doesn't know, Rosie has a black pink concert this weekend, which I'm going to be going to. And so I thought it would be fun for us to maybe head to your recording studio and talk a little bit more about the magic behind how this album came to be. So I think we finished eating and then we get into it.

Sounds good. Okay. Yay. We have your gorgeous, famous dog with us today. Your mom's just going to talk about a couple things about her album and then you'll be done. Tell me about what headspace you need to be in to be your best in the studio. I just need to not think. Personally, personally, the last album, I realized that it was so much more free-flowing in the studio when I was just myself fully.

I feel like everybody has stories to tell on like a day-to-day basis. And usually you would maybe talk to your therapist about it or you'd talk to your boyfriend about it or you'd talk to your best friend about it. But I'd kind of save that. And any time I felt something, felt like speaking my mind, I would quickly find a studio and the people that I love to work with

and just pop in and I would just, you know, kind of let it out there just so that, well, for the last album, so that it feels very intimate And so it feels like a journal. A lot of times when you write something down in the exact moment, you may not feel that way tomorrow, right? So to be able to capture exactly how you were feeling in that moment, it's important. No, I agree.

I actually, like, have thought about that recently as in, like, listening back to some of these songs. I'm kind of shocked because there was obviously, like, a time in my life where I was, but this was a really big subject. But, like, now I think about it. like, I'm like, wait, oh, yeah, yeah, no, I think I remember, but if I listen to the songs, it was such a thing. And you were so affected by it. Yeah.

And now you're kind of like, oh, that thing. But to imagine that these things just get lost in time, there's an unreleased song that I heard. Randomly, I was getting my makeup done for, like, something. And I was like, what happened to that one song? And then, like, I searched it on my phone. I found it and I played it. And I remember I almost cried because I was like, oh, my gosh. God, I was really serious about that, and I almost forgot.

I was like, oh, yeah, that happened. Next. Why didn't you release a song? I wrote it after the album. It's more like a recent thing. Oh, my God, would you ever release it? That one I would love to. It is one of my favorite ones.

And then I only realized that it was such a special song months after. I remember when I wrote it, I was like, oh, it's a bit cringe. That's what I thought in the moment. So it was obviously too vulnerable at the time. I was like, oh, I don't know. just too, too sweet and I don't know, I don't like it. But then I heard it again months later when I was completely over that. And I was like, oh my God. Right. Like it's so sweet and honest to what you were going through. And I was just like, I almost forgot about that.

Wow. Okay, we're going to get into all of this. Late 2023, Black Pink took a break so that you and all the other women could pursue their own careers. What were those behind the same? scenes conversations like? Well, we kind of had like a time frame to kind of decide what we're going to do. And, you know, we had fans waiting to hear about how things are going to be after that long contract ended. And so I remember we were on tour, then the last tour. So there were a lot of times we were like, you know, together.

We were like on flights together. and it didn't happen over like one conversation. It happened over a few. And it evolved and I think we allowed each other enough time to, you know, kind of really think through what we as a group and individually want. You know, we still have a few things we need to do as black pink. And, you know, we have to have more time to celebrate the things we've achieved. but we are also growing up right now and we haven't had enough time to be fully ourselves or explore that ever. We weren't really allowed that.

And so we allowed ourselves that one year and to see all the things that all the members have accomplished. It's really fun to watch. And I think it's, yeah. Were you guys nervous to tell the fans? I don't think so because we had the plan to be back and we're on that tour right now, the promise that we had made. I think it was such a healthy decision that we were more excited to announce that. Obviously, there's so much speculation because I agree. Like everyone kind of knew that that was a long contract.

And then to re-sign a contract, I think obviously so many of your fans were so excited, understandably. I don't know how much you can share but like is it longer? Is it shorter than the first one? Can you give us any details? I don't know about length but for sure we learnt much more. Yes. About the things we should really like focus on for the benefit of the whole business

and so yes it took much longer than the first contract. I don't even remember doing the first one like when did we even do that? We just like sat down and signed your name. Yeah, did we even read? Nope. I'm sure we did not read through anything. But I do know that there are a lot of other people who do sign things early on in their career without that. So, you know, now even more aware, we're more aware and we understand the weight of signing these things as musicians and, again, about protecting yourself.

Of course, because it also comes with experience, right? Like, I have signed contracts myself. And I remember when I was so young, like, you don't know what you want with your career. You don't know where you're going. And I think what's so beautiful is you guys having this time to have your independence, you've also grown as individuals. And so you're now able to advocate for yourselves in a way that you didn't, you maybe weren't capable before. I agree. Have you guys ever talked about what would happen if one of you didn't want to continue in Black Pink?

I think we've... I don't remember like specific conversations, but no, I think, I think, yeah, if one of us feels like at that time, that's not the right thing, then we're all in. We will, we will understand. And Black Pink, like any relationship, if one person is not ready for something, then it should just be respected. And I think we will always be ready to do that because Black Pink is only four members, first of all. So we will not be able to neglect anyone's, you know, decision at any time in their life. And we trust that every decision made is, you know, the right decision for each person. So, yeah. Okay. Fans are constantly, I feel like they lose every group, but like they're

always speculating, obviously, of like, what is the group's dynamic? And are you guys sisters? Are you best friends? Are you just coworkers? Like, what's the vibe? Like, I want to hear from you. How would you describe your relationship with the women in Black Pink today? I think it's all of that. I feel like we're best friends. We are sisters. We're like family. We are colleagues. What else did you say? What else was on the table? It's really all of that combined. I do agree that it is a very unique relationship that we have. But over time, more layers have been added on to the type of relationship we have, but even more so I think it feels more solid. And as I've actually had that one year apart from the girls, which we were very much apart,

everyone was so busy flying around the world, like we couldn't tell who was where. We've also created unique experiences outside of Black Pink after coming, after, you know, sharing all of that together and growing together. We all went out and experienced the world individually past that. But to come back with those experiences, there's nothing better to feel like there's somebody that understands exactly how you might have felt or what you feel. And it is a unique experience as everyone has their own. But just knowing that Even my actual family doesn't understand what I feel sometimes, or even my best friend doesn't see the world exactly how I've seen it.

But, you know, there are so much in my life that Black Pink understands. And so it's so nice to meet the girls along the way of this whole journey and being able to talk about things and feel like I'm being heard and understood. And I don't have to make it up. I don't have to explain over like hours about why I'm feeling this type of way. And I feel like that's just going to keep going over the years. Did you have the girls listen to the album before it came out? We were so apart when that happened.

I let Lisa listen to a few when I was in Korea and she was in Korea. I'm like, thank God you're here. What was her reaction? She loved 3 a.m. It was named something different back then. We were traveling so much that I, and then I met Jenny once in New York. Wait, what was 3 a.m. called before 3 a.m.? Um, want it to be you.

Okay, let's talk about the album. Obviously, the Grammys are coming up. You are Grammy nominated. How are you feeling? Oh, wait. That's a big question. I know. Hi.

I was like, oh, wait. You were like talking about Lisa and like 3 a.m. Then I'm like, yeah, hi. We're Grammy nominated. How are you feeling? It feels like I thought of this when you asked me about getting selected from YG at that opening audition to fly to Korea. And I was trying to like, and then it made me think, I think it's the same feeling as this nomination. I remember when that happened, it was like, I thought that would never happen.

Like, I never thought I would ever fly to Korea and live in that city ever. Like, I always kind of dreamed of like, oh, it'd be so fun to live in Korea. Like, I grew up in New Zealand and Australia, so I'm like just living in Asia and that city is just like so fun and different. I thought it would never happen and going there to like, you know, chase after my dreams. Like, how fun. And then again, the Scrammy nomination, it feels like, oh my gosh, I, I know. I never thought that would be possible. Like, yes, Black Pink, and we're getting so much love, and I'm so grateful for that.

And it's so exciting, but that I didn't think it would be a possibility. But I feel like they're quite similar. So it's like the second chapter of my life. I mean, like, oh, my gosh. It's really exciting, and it's incredible what you've done. And to come out with the solo album, be Grammy nominated for the songs. It's incredible and you should be so proud of yourself. Thank you.

I want to ask about your song number one girl. In a lot of interviews, you've obviously referred to the song as disgustingly vulnerable. Talk to me a little bit more about what you meant by this. Well, this one was about, like, I'm sure you go to a lot of events when you're in L.A. There are like so many fun, exciting events and you feel so lucky to be invited to and it's like so glamorous and fun. But I was, like, invited to an event. And it was at the very beginning of this one year, before this one year, like, started.

And I went to the event, and I felt like just really, like, it was in a place that was supposed to feel so glamorous and exciting. I felt really like, like I was comparing myself to everyone. I didn't know how to act. And I remember coming back home feeling really depressed and, like, I don't feel very special. special or good. And then the next day, I remember I just, like, cried in the hotel. And then I was like on Instagram. Oh, that's literally the worst combo. You're crying and then you're like, let me open

Instagram. And then you're like, yeah, that just made it worse. Yeah. And there were like comments, like, there were comments about like, where are she going with her career? She hasn't announced this, this or that. Like, she has no idea what she's doing. And I had just started the year. And I had just started the year to like I'd gifted you know you know with the group we've gifted ourselves this time to be free and explore and and really kind of just for myself I think I don't know I feel like I can't speak for the other girls but for me I think I was looking for what my passion was again and what made me really happy and driven and excited. And it hadn't even started. But that's what I saw. And I was just like, oh my gosh, I feel terrible. I remember in the morning I had a session that day and I was getting

ready. And I remember like I couldn't put my like makeup on because I was like, it was just a bad day. You know, we go through it once in a while. Of course. Yeah. And then I got to the studio. and they were like, what should you could write about? I'm like, I don't know, I've just been feeling really, really bad. Like, I feel really, really just, I feel shit, basically. And it sparked. I was like, can we write a song that's, because I know a lot of songs can kind of have hope in it

and have these hopeful feelings in it, but that's not how I felt. And I needed a song that I could relate to. Because a lot of the times on the, like, I want to be presented to my fans as like, I'm independent. I don't need people's approval. I don't. I'm my own thing.

We love to be that way, but it's not really realistic. Realistic. That is why your fans were so receptive of this because, yes, it could be considered as a human being. You're like, is this embarrassing? I'm wanting this validation and I'm wanting this attention. And I think it's such a relatable feeling, but it's something that we keep really close to our chest. and were embarrassed sometimes to admit. I was so embarrassed of myself.

That was the day I think I woke up and I was like, oh, my God, I feel so embarrassed. Like, I don't feel confident at all, but like how embarrassing. I was on Instagram all night looking at these comments and I felt embarrassed that I had let those emotions really affect me. How do you think for you personally your desire for validation and acceptance has impacted the way that you let people treat you? I have let people get away with, I think a lot of things that has made me sad and, like, has made me cry. I think I'll let a lot of things make me really, really sad. But I've noticed this thing where I sometimes protect people. And I don't know why.

I think I, I'd like to think I have a lot of love for certain people in my life. But to a certain extent that I, I want to be validated by them. And then their actions of making me actually sad or feel sad is forgiven. And I turn that around and I understand them. And then I would probably blame myself. I'm still living through that. I'd like to think that's because I'm still in my 20s.

And hopefully people say when you're like, when you turn 30, then like things start to make sense. I'm just hoping that kicks in soon. You're like, I feel like in a couple of years it's really going to turn around for me. No, that's relatable. It's like you can't please, please, please, if you're up there. Please. Let's talk about a major theme that I do think relates to this, which is in your album, is toxic relationships, right? You open up about some of the toughest moments that you've been through in your life, essentially.

How was writing about these feelings healing for you? I think first of all, even in therapy, I feel like the main thing the therapist kind of makes you do is acknowledge your emotions. But a lot of emotions I feel like is kind of looked down on. And that's a good thing because online and on media, like we're going to. encouraging each other to love yourself more and accept yourself more and be confident in yourself. Like, don't be sad. Be confident. Be a boss girl, right? Sounds so easy. Yeah, sounds very easy. No, it's obviously not. And so I feel like, first of all, being just true to how I really felt. And I don't know if it was easy because it was my,

first time in LA and I didn't really know anyone. I just like talked about anything and everything. I might be more conscious about it now. But at that time, I just like talked about everything. Like, I would be like, oh my gosh, I did this and I did that. And honestly, I feel this and that. And it'd just be funny. I'd make fun of myself. But it was just true. And so as I did that, I was accepting my flaws. And. And so, and so. funny because over time now when I do that I realize I do become more conscious because I want valid I'm you know I have that in me too when I talk about some like certain themes or like certain subjects I do kind of go like like maybe I shouldn't feel that maybe I should act more

sophisticated maybe I should act a bit more like I have more self-ressex because sometimes I don't but I think relatable so real Yeah, and of course a lot of the times I do, I do love and respect myself, but then like, you know, sometimes like I'm still growing up and kind of navigating the world of like, you know, wanting to be loved. Of course. I have sometimes, you know, abandoned some of these things. And yes, later on I could regret it, like a more mature version of myself, a more experienced version of myself could be like, Rose, you don't need to be like that. But I feel like in the moment, like I'm still learning and growing. But then. So like in these songs, that's me just being, um, accepting that emotion for what it is and laughing about it at the same time, but not being conscious about, of about, like, what other people would be thinking about me. But I think that's why people were so receptive of this album, because I feel like you've spent the majority of your career, we saw you trying to be this perfect girl, right? And there was an image that was upheld. With that, I think then your fans would assume, like, there's no way this girl has experienced heartbreaker. there's no way that Rosie would get herself into a toxic relationship.

Like, she's better that. And it's like, no, we've all been there. So I think it was a breath of fresh air probably for your fans to be like, oh my God, you too. I think it felt really liberating just talking about it and being reckless. Because anyone who really like cares or love loves me might be like, Rosie, just don't say that. People might think you're a bit like a bit of a wreck. But I kind of didn't care. And I felt so liberated.

But the funny thing is, even after feeling that, feeling so free, I think I have come out of it and I still experience the shame of like, I do feel this. But then I like say it and then I go, is that person going to think I'm like, I don't have enough self-respect? I really want to like stop doing that, but it's a habitual thing where I tried to keep filtering the things I say. I feel like society also kind of makes you feel that shame. Yes, feel bad. Like, why aren't you better? Why didn't you leave? Why did you stay for so? Yeah, yeah. I wrote down that in one of your songs, you know, you talk about knowing the relationship was unhealthy from the beginning. That is so relatable. But you're like, wait, but like it also feels good sometimes. For you, what were the signs that it was toxic? I mean, I was young too. It was just not a good match. But we liked each other. So we just kept it going for a bit. And yeah, I think it's just like now I know a bit better than that to identify we might not be very happy together, maybe.

But I also think again, having grace is like so many young women will be listening to this. And it's like the feelings of love and happiness, they bring you back even if there is something toxic or there is a red flag, right? Like, because then you move forward and you forget the red flag because then you go to dinner and then you're happy. I still experience that. Yep. You're like, girl, this is happening to me right now. Thank you. Full therapy session.

What is something you know you will never put up with again? First of all, if they're kind of like not being like super nice to your friends or family, as in I think they should make an extra effort. People that are not good to your friends and family. I agree, ladies, if you're watching this, like, please note that you're not being crazy and your friends and family aren't being crazy because sometimes they can convince you like, oh, you know, so it's like, no, no, no. Yeah, like, if I've introduced this girl as my best friend, she's my best friend. You can't be like, I was busy talking to other people. She's my best friend. Put in the work. Yeah, because I would, if I meet anyone that's, you know, my boyfriend's best friend, I'd be like, I'd be like, like, oh my God, I want to be extra nice to that person because I care. So it's very weird if somebody's like, it just means he's either thinks he's really amazing

or he doesn't really respect you. Yeah. Or hasn't learned how to respect a partner. I agree. One of your favorite lyrics you wrote was that I wrote down from your album was, did letting me down get tiring? How in your life in past relationships have you felt let down? All of the ex. Yeah, I don't think all of the X's, maybe?

No, Rosie. I mean, let down, let me think. All of them except one. Really, girl. We're working progress. Okay, yes, we've talked a little bit about the themes from your album. And they did give a little insight into your day. life, but I recognize that you have never been in a public relationship. Why do you think for you

keeping partners completely private is the right approach for you right now? I think a lot of it has to do to protect the person that I love. I've noticed that it hurts more if like any of my friends are attacked or the closer the person is if they're ever attacked it really really is is like hurtful um and also i am okay because i'm in the public eye and it's my job and it comes with the territories and i'm like okay ever uh but you know i think it's a bit unfair but i not saying like i'm against it but like for now with the like fan base that i've experienced which I would love to in the future maybe really fully trust the media to protect me and be there for me, then I might feel comfortable.

But for now, I don't know if I felt completely safe. I'm sure a lot of other people understand what that feels like and experiences that. I think that's really understandable. I'm curious, had someone know, feel like you're hiding them. Because I could see that if like then the partner's like, wait, are you just keeping me private because you don't want to share me with the world? Or have they been understanding? I think it's been like a two-way thing, like both ways. I think one of the toxic ones. Yeah. That's like I feel like how every conversation starts. So one of the toxic ones actually, I'm like, yeah. Because there are some toxic ones. Not toxic ones. There are some where like you feel where.

that's coming from like the protecting you know element of it and and I believe it but there was one if I think about it now I look back on it and like why were you so paranoid like what? You're like wait you're not the superstar over here I can like say it like that now but I'm like I do kind of look back me like wait because I was I think I was younger then I was more younger and like more, I guess more insecure and I was just very like, I'm like in love and whatever. But then anytime he'd be like, oh, like, even like to his friends, he would kind of, he'd be like, oh, I just, I'm just going to go like hang out with my friends. And like it's just, I don't want to have you there because it's like, and he'd make it seem like he's trying to like limit like talk or whatever. but I'm like, why did you need that?

You're like, but again, that's what we're talking about, right? You're like, in hindsight, you're like, that doesn't make sense. At that time, I thought he was really serious about his job. And I was like, that's hard. Rosie? I was like, you're so serious about it that. No, and then some people are, and I really respect it because, you know, for the things that you want to do, we want to, we don't have to have, I just, I don't feel that way either. we don't have to have our like love life involved in it and I respect that because I feel that

a lot of the times too but then with that guy he was like overly like no we can't do like anything like we can't go anywhere now I think about him like sure we could have done I've met people after you who are bit way more like higher profile than you that was just like that would do crazier like you know more things with me and I'd be like you're not and I remember the first time they would want to do things I'd be like you're okay with that and I was so gaslighted being like you're okay doing that and they're like why not and I'd be like oh oh because I learned from this other X that like we couldn't do any of anything dude that's so real though when you have X is to compare to where all of a sudden you're like wait a second yeah why are you okay

with it that wasn't normal yeah yeah yeah yeah but in the moment you convince yourself here you are Rose, you're convincing yourself he cares about his job so much. I was like, oh my God, he cares about, he's such a, that's so hard. I was like, no. And now you're like, wait, I was fully getting gaslight and he was fully acting. Like, no, that is. But again, it's so real. It's so relatable.

Like, you don't even have to be famous to be in this situation where a girl is like, dude, I'm in high school. I'm in college. And this kid, like, won't bring me to the party. And I'm thinking it's because, like, he's protecting me. Meanwhile, it's like, babe, he, he may have a side, he may have a side girl that he doesn't want you knowing about or whatever it is. And then you put two and two together and you're like, yeah. Okay.

Okay. I'm not going to let that happen to me again. Yeah. I still can't tell why he. I don't know. It's weird. Okay. Like, I'm going to write that in my journal tonight and try to do that math equation and figure that one out soon.

Okay. How have you avoided getting your picture taken with, a man and paparazzi and all of that. Oh my gosh. You're good. You're good. I've had some crazy ones. Once was so paranoid.

Wait, oh my God. I was so paranoid. I'm like, I can never be like, you know, seen ever. And like, I ordered online from, like, it's basically like Amazon, but in Korea. Are you going to tell me you got a wig? I got a wig. I got a black curly wig, like a short one. And then I ordered, like, I studied how, like, older people, like, elderly women would dress on the street.

Like, I'd be like, oh, hey, they wear that kind of a skirt and then those shoes and that kind of a bag. And I would, like, study it and I would order it. And I would dress stuff. And then you would go on a date looking like an older woman? I would go like to his house because we can't go anywhere. I'm dead. I would like travel that way just in case somebody I did that once. Wait, so then would you show up to his house and then like rip the wig off and the granny?

I'm like, I've arrived and he's like, can you take off your prosthetic nose and your wig and your granny band? He's like, can you get back to Rosie for a second? You fully were walking in like an eight-year-old woman. And so, like, for a while in my house, you know, we got rid of it now. But, like, I had like a whole section of just grammar clothes because I went wild. I just ordered like all cut like light blue, like flowery skirt, but like all like long skirts so that I could cover all my elements. How long did this phase of dressing up like a granny laugh? I think at least six months.

Rosie, you were. committed. I was so committed to keep the secret. Did he ever dress up like a grandpa to go to your house? I think he kind of did. Yeah, like a little more grandpa-ish, but not as crazy as like a wig, because I needed a wig. And I think at one point, like, I even imitated how she would, how they would when we stop this, I need you to show me how you're... Oh, and the funniest thing. I don't even know if I should say this. This is so funny. I met my grandma the other thing. And I was looking at what she was wearing and I'm like and then I go to my mom and like mom is that that and she's like oh my god it is and she's like that's her favorite coat she was wearing one of the ones that I would wear rosy and mom's

like I go I go is that's that's her favorite coat and I was like I'm dying once you're over your granny phase your mom was like okay rosy can I at least now give this to your actual grandmother so she can put this to good use after I broke up with that accent I'm moved on to my, I'm like, I had a new one. And then she said, you're not going to wear this anymore, are you? And then I'm like, no. We're turning over a new leaf. I'm going to actually show up to his house looking like my damn self. That is iconic. Okay. Do you prefer to date someone in the industry or not in the industry? Um, in. Wait, how, what? I'm so, okay, in only. because they get it yeah there was like a phase where because from 16 i'm just like not even fully formed

human being yet going to this dorm like full time in that space and everyone i meet is just related to that to whatever I'm doing. You know, I only met teachers. I only met other girls that were training with me. I only met like the producers there like every day from that to like coming out as like pink. When I would meet like even like cousins, I would kind of feel like I don't know how to act. And most more than that, I think I, because I don't know what the experience is, because everyone just usually goes to school, goes to college and whatnot,

has like a similar, like somewhat of a similar, you know, experience growing up. But I would like meet people and it'd be like, I don't know what you're thinking and their expressions and I was just really just, you didn't trust them. Yeah. And I was just like inexperienced, even like, talking. talking new people and talking about things. And I'd always feel like such an alien. They'd talk about like all these things.

And I'd be like, I don't know how to relate to it. All I know is, you know, what I've done. Yeah. Like three years ago I was like in a dorm and that's the only thing I know how to share. And also like being private and stuff, like going out and like how I always feel really conscious. Like I'd be out at a restaurant and I'd always be like, oh, I think somebody's taking up. picture and then somebody would be like, I don't think they're taking a picture, but then me feeling like sensitive about that, I didn't blame them. I would blame myself. I'm so paranoid that

I don't want to make people feel uncomfortable. So even with that, I'd felt kind of like a bit of a distance growing up. And so partners too, I think for me to feel fully just natural and like, So if anything, that guy being like, we can't be... I'd rather relate to that being like, rather than like, why aren't we going out? Like, why aren't we... Post me on your Instagram. Yeah, that would freak me out even more. So true.

So I think I felt more, if anything, more safe in that one. I'd rather be more controlled that way because, you know, I relate to that feeling. So now we just need to find a non-toxic guy in the industry. Yes. That's the goal. So easy. So easy. Let's go.

Like, there's so many of it. those perfect i'm free like next week so perfect i'll let you know if i have anyone in mind um are you seeing anyone right now oh my god you almost just flung off the chair because i just feel like if i'm like no like oh such a lie you can tell i am i am looking for love okay so maybe you're talking to someone do you think it's really funny how i react to these questions rosy you just physically clung on to the side of the chair you move you your body away from the microphone, you looked at your best friend for dear life and you were like, tell me what to say? And I'm like, you know what? But I respect it because you can tell like,

you've come into this industry, you were trained to, you know, be a specific way. You've worked so hard. You've been private. And so I get it like to answer a question of like, are you seeing someone right now? You're like, wait, am I allowed to answer that? I'm still like, oh my God, this is like the first thing when you ask something like that, it's like, like all the articles, all the comments, I just see it like rolled down and who has like been plotting my downfall being like, this is the comment we take to, so if anything happens, this is the interview we go back to to tie this crazy story about how addicted to, for example, like that's all I think about. So I would love to just be like, yes or no, like, but being

like, is this going to define who I am? How sad? How sad of a reality is that? That makes me sad. It makes me sad for like a lot of the industry and how, oh my God, stop. This is gross. No. I'm only sad because it's like, oh my gosh, no. I feel like it's just like a normal thing. Just because I was from a K-pop group doesn't mean I am a different type of human being. I think we're all born with legs and arms and, you know, everyone's human. And I feel like just how certain things, like I have to, not because it's me, but a lot of other people too have to like think about that. And me being a girl and what that means to me, how will people try to use?

use my comments to create something. And it's not like I'm saying the craziest thing right now. No. Am I saying like I killed someone? No. I'm just asking if you're seeing someone, not even if you have a boyfriend. Like, do you have someone that you're currently texting that you, whether you have a crush on or whatever it be? I guess my question back to you, though, when you just got emotional there, which makes me sad for you too is like, at what point do you think that you can find a way to almost just...

live for yourself and be like, you know what? Yes, I'm seeing someone right now. And if the comments come, the comments come, but you also have to live your own life and you, like, I think it puts in perspective when I sit with my grandmother, right, or my husband's great grandmother. And she, and you hear these older women especially say, like, I lived so much to please people and to be humble so I didn't come off as too much or whatever and I just wish like why did I do that we are alive once we're here once like yes it's so incredible what your career is but like how is how are you are you fulfilled in hiding so much right yeah like will there be a point where maybe you're like you know what pocket like that's why I feel like writing that album made me feel closer to that and oh my god like

a lot has actually changed um after number one girl, I'm not joking, but there were so many people online who would tell me what to do with the way I put my makeup on, the way I was dressed on stage, they would like harass my hair and makeup team online. See, again, those people are people I love and that work with me and, you know, that's part of my team and those are my best friends too. But I've felt like the ache where when, you know, people online, they know, I feel like they know what they're doing. Like they're really mean to them and that like affects me. And they be like, do this to your hair, do that to your hair, why are you not doing this and

that? I got closer to it because after number one girl came out, you know, that happened. But after I explained the song, my team has not been getting comments like that anymore. And I remember it was such a big chunk of all of the girls relate to it Because we would talk about the stress of that Like weird controlling of like kind of like a mom Like one of those cheerily, what do you call it? Like a cheer mom?

Cheer mom, what do you call it? Yeah, like a stage mom. Who's like, do this, it look like this. But you have like thousands online. Millions. Millions. Millions. And like, girl, I love what you do, but please change your da-da-da-da.

And you're like, Wait, I like that little accent you just did. You went full Valley Girl on me. You're like, girl, you better get your shit together. Girl, I love you, but come on. Those are not the shoes you want. Like that. And they would like do that.

But my team hasn't been getting any of those comments and I haven't had any pop up. And so after the album, one thing I love is that I don't, I'm not conscious about if my fans will like or dislike. my look today. And for such a long time of my Korean black pink, I was so, like, you know, insecure and conscious about what my fans would say. They'd always be like, put a full red lip on. Why can't you do your makeup? And I'm like, maybe I don't feel comfortable in that. Maybe that's not fully me. Maybe that's somebody else. Maybe some, like, big celebrity online does that and is looks amazing and feels amazing that way. But maybe when I do it, I don't feel amazing. So it's just like, you're living a really heightened experience as a human being right now. You are figuring this out.

There is no book that anyone handed you to be like, this is exactly how you get through this, Rosie. When I go back to your comment about freedom is being anonymous, what you're really just saying is freedom is people not being able to dictate. if you feel comfortable to acknowledge that you're in a relationship or not, or if you are having a bad day or not. But I love, though, that one thing that you learned through this album is that actually being vulnerable and honest gave insight to people and allow them to be like, oh, I'm not going to make that comment again. And maybe that next step for you could be allowing yourself to enjoy your romantic life

and not being afraid that maybe people will come for you in that way. person and that who knows when that you'll be ready for that yeah but maybe one day you'll be ready i don't think i'm fully that we're fully there yet because i can tell we come back to the you know toxic ways the media always finds its way back but it gives me hope it gives me hope i really thought that me coming out of this you know um industry um where i've come from i didn't think i'd have hope i thought okay i'm forever going to live in this system where I can't fully accept the way I am because they will twist and turn it. But I see a bit of hope and I'm really, really happy about that. I'm really happy for you. Thank you. Okay. Should we go get

a drink? Please. Let's go. Let's go. Cheers again. We're back. First of all, we need to talk about your song, Apet. Did I say that right? Yes. Apatte. What was the moment you you personally knew that this song was going to be a phenomenon? I think I kind of, it kind of slowly, like I slowly warmed up to it because when we first created it, I went home and I listened to it like all night until like, like I had it on repeat. Right. And it's quite a crazy song to have on repeat. Yes.

I slept to it, you know. You slept to it? Yeah. I still kept playing. Yeah. Oh, my God. You're a psychopath. You're like, again, again.

Right? And then in the morning, I had my producers and songwriters deleted off of their phones. Oh, I read this somewhere. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I still, to this day, don't quite know what it was that made me do that. I don't know if it was like fear or something or like, did I feel like it was big or did I feel a bit like scared of it? I'm not sure. but I feel like I'm just guessing,

but I feel like it might have had something to do with the fact that it's so close to my culture and I felt like it sounded big, but I wanted it to be like right before people just had it on their phones and, you know. So nothing got misinterpreted or if you needed to fine-tune anything, you had the ability and it didn't just get sent out.

Yes, because it had a big part of my culture in it. But I'm not sure if I fully believed in it yet because it was like, as it is, it's kind of like when everyone listens to it, especially from the beginning, it's like a Korean chant and you're like, what's happening? And then like the song starts and then the chorus, like, we're just saying some random words. And so I wasn't sure. So I got rid of it. And then slowly I started bringing it out and playing it to people that I trusted and that I loved.

And they would, they really reacted to it. It's so funny because there are so many songs that has become. like the main songs, you know. But every time I feel like it's something like that, I seem to hide it. And then I like, I would play like 10 songs. And then at the end I'd be like, oh, this is just rough. This is like, you know, we were just like messing around. You might not like it.

And I'd play it. And that's usually like the songs that like people seem to love, which is weird. Okay. But do you think it's because in your heart you know it's so good? and then you're almost downplaying it to see if like, do I think it's just this good? Okay, maybe. And you're like testing to see like, oh, this is just a little thing. And you're like, am I the only one that thinks this?

And then you see the reaction. You're like, I was right. Oh, my God. I have something on my hands here. I need to be convinced by people. Instead of me hyping it up first, I think I get scared of how I feel about it. So I don't want to hype it up. I just want to see people's like raw.

Maybe you're right. You're literally my therapist. Honestly. We've been trying today. And can you clarify for anyone who maybe is not familiar with the Korean culture and apatite? Like, what is this chant and what does it mean? And what is the significance? So it's just like, so when I turn 20, it's like a cultural thing where your friends who are already 20 or over 20 would like get you in a room and be like, today's day.

You like, you die from a hangover. And they will literally make you the craziest drink because, you know, it just waited your whole life. I even remember the day I turned 20, Black Pink got me and Lisa and I turn 20 the same year. As soon as the year turns, you know, like January 1st, you're allowed to drink. So everybody like gets together and we did that too. Us four were in the dorm and they were like, get ready girls. It was a while this night. And then like, that's when we, like, played the drinking games.

And it literally has been a part of my, like, 20s living in Korea. Who else is on your list of dream people you could collaborate with anyone? Oh, my gosh. Give me, like, three. Top three people. That's way too hard. Okay, two. You know what, I see Miley on the screen.

I would die to have a collaboration with her. She is iconic. Literally a legend. I love her so much. You said that you met Taylor Swift. When you met her, you wanted to ask her some questions. What advice did she give you? I was like, so that was when I was like trying to look for a label and everything.

But before that, I was learning about, you know, how to protect myself. What does everything mean? What is it that I need? What is, yeah, even catered to myself. What is it that I want? And therefore, what do I need? I was navigating all that. And, you know, I was really great.

I'm grateful. to have like met her along the way at a party that I was invited to and and she was so nice like you know as she is and we were chatting and I explained why I was you know out in the US and then I was like oh I was kind of struggling with this and she's like asked me anything and she like you know pulled me aside she's like asking anything she was like you know whenever you need anything like ask me and she was really really really helpful when did you find out that that you were Grammy nominated and what was your reaction? I remember I was in Korea.

I had just gotten home and then like I brushed my teeth was in my like PJs like fully. And then I look at the time and then I remember somebody from my team being like, oh the nominations are coming out at 1 a.m. your time. And I didn't think, because I've never really experienced this before. Now I know like to mark it in my calendar. It was kind of part, I'm like, oh, okay.

So I go back into like the text. there was a link. And so like it was a 12.50 a.m. 10 minutes away. And I was like, oh. And then I just like turn the TV on and put in the link. And then I was like and then it started. And I'm like, okay. And then I get a face time from like my team and my sister. And so and then I'm like, okay. And then like a category comes out. And I'm like, should we just group call? And we did like a group face time. And then it just happened in like five minutes. And then it just happened in like five minutes. And it was just like, oh my gosh, wait. I almost missed that, but did that just happen?

And then it was done within like, it was done so quick. And I'm like, okay, I was going to go to sleep. So I slept. I went to my bed, I slept. And then I woke up to like, you know, tons of messages from people that, you know, were so excited. And that's when it hit me. I was like, oh, wait.

This is crazy. So exciting. I'm so excited for you. I think that we sing karaoke to close out this incredible day and then after we sing karaoke I think we go to Tokyo and I watch you do the real thing on stage.

What a crazy life. We sound really like, let's go to Japan. Let's just go to Japan. Cheers, we're back. We're in Tokyo. We made it. Yay. Cheers. Okay, I have a gift for you. Bring them in.

What? Bring them in. What? These are so extra. My gosh, so extra. Oh my God, thank you so much. You don't need to keep them the whole time, but I got these for you because I was like, You just put on a three-hour performance and I just sat there screaming and cheering.

I was like, I need to bring you something. You were amazing tonight. Okay, I'm going to put these in your room. Thank you. I'm going to put these in her rooms. Can I, may I have this like, I'll just keep in here. Yeah, you'll put it there. Thank you.

Of course, of course. I had so much fun. I showed up as a fan. I was with all the people. I was looking around. I was, like, nervous for you because now I'm, like, so invested in your journey. I'm like, oh, my God, I hope she does perfect eye. And then you got out there and I was like, oh, she's a full professional. Did you feel like a, like a stage mom at all? Me, being like, Rosie hit your cue. And also you being like your dance moves. I'm watching you. I'm like, she hit it. Yes, boom. No. It was so fun seeing you up there. How did you feel? I felt really good. It's been like two months since we, like, we've been on a break. Right. So I completely forgot that like version of me like completely. So yesterday was the first show. So today was a bit better. It was wild to watch Black Pink and then it's so cool that you each have your solo moments.

And when you went out for your solo moment, I was having another stage mom moment where I was like, oh my God. Like toxic till the end. Yeah. I was like literally getting emo. I like almost started crying. I'm like, why am I getting emotional right now? Black Pink just announced a new album. Oh, yes.

casual. What can you tell us about it? Well, so it's an album that we've all kind of obviously come back from after that year of exploring and all being our individual selves. And so I think it was like really interesting to kind of come back and see what was created after that. And so I really like all the songs there and I love him, including Jump and which was, is already released and we have like a fun collaboration that's coming up. Oh my god. And I feel like

it it's like so I played it for like a bunch of my team and my friends and they all were like like it feels like jump but it's like so different. It just and they just say it's it sounds so different from anything else we've done and I feel the same and I feel like like a lot of the collaboration is the reason like why that probably sounds that way and I feel like um, It's very new and visually too. I don't think we've actually used as that much like CGI before. I'm so excited. Yeah, it's like a big like funky mixture of like all these things.

But for some reason it like it works. And I'm really excited for the fans to see that. And yeah. Oh my God. I'm so excited now. I feel like I've been on this journey with you. And again, to see Black Pink and then you have your solo moment. Do you think you would ever tour?

Oh, that's been a big subject amongst obviously, like my fans, like they are, I mean, definitely dying for me to be on tour and I am too, but I've always just thought like, I want to be able to create a like a real like solid world to present to everyone. I didn't want to feel rushed because that first solo album, like I mentioned to you, like the whole thing was just like a learning curve and I needed that time to really learn about the album. And so I feel like to create like a whole world on stage, I need more time to build on that with extra songs as well because right now I have like what 12 and I feel like I don't feel ready to like create a whole body of work for everyone yet.

But I feel like it's slowly going to kind of come closer once I feel like my second album or like more music comes out. But yeah, I just want everyone to be patient and I just wanted to, because I feel like once I do start, I feel like I'd love it so much that I would want to do it for so long. So I don't want to ruin that experience. Do you love being on stage? I think I do. But I also don't love being on stage when I feel like I'm not fully like, it's not fully me. So I understand that when it is fully me, I love it. Like I want to repeat. Even like yesterday when I got when we came back from the break I was like I love this like I can't believe this is coming to an end It's so much fun and I feel like for Black Pink this is like the most

Defined like show we've put together So that excites me and so like even for my solo thing like I can't wait for the day that like I kind of Create this world that I'm obsessed with also that I just like want to be on stage all the time because that that's your fork for everyone. When you look at your future a decade from now, two decades from now, what do you want for yourself in the future? What are your dreams? That's a big question. I've now noticed that like I feel like when I was younger, like it seemed really simple. It's just like one dream. And then once I'm there, everything will be like, I'll be like so happy.

I'll feel like I'm on top of the world, all of that. But I've noticed that. there's just so much that goes to get to anywhere. And I've also noticed that like what I love changes, like my interests change and what makes me happy is always kind of ever evolving. And so I feel like it'll be hard to be like, I'd like it to be like this. But now, after everything that we've all lived through,

I feel like, I hope at the end of like 10, you know, in 10 years or 20 years time, I'm just at the place I want to be and I've found what makes me happy in that moment and that I'm peaceful, whatever that means. What that means like I'd like to be, I would love to live like Beyonce or I'd like to like, you know, become an expert at embroidery or I don't know, whatever it is or I'd like to work at a hotel and like whatever it is. I hope I'm like at a place that makes me feel inspired, creative and just peaceful. It's amazing. Yeah. To wrap us up this incredible trip. I know. I know. I'm like sad to say that. But we'll keep drinking after this. I think throughout this

entire trip I've felt so lucky to get to know you. I feel so inspired by you as a woman and an entertainer and as a person, but I'm curious. I know you don't do a lot of interviews. So, one, how are you feeling about this whole experience with me and this conversation? Because you've opened up a lot. Like, how are you feeling as I'm going to leave soon? I'm a festival very sad. I'm almost like, Sarah, season two of this, about K-drama that we've created. We'll do a part two at some point. Yeah, I'd love that. But I feel, like, so after like the interviews we did in Korea, there were like these moments where I even went to my team and I was like, do you think everything I said was, I had like in the moment I felt

so comfortable and I feel like you helped me really like open up and feel like human and like safe enough to share my thoughts. But even still, I noticed like once I went home, I was already asking my team, like, do you think anything like I said? will kind of turn back on me again. Do you think any of like the people online will use these like information as bait to like, you know, twist stories or whatnot? And I was already back in fear. And that's when I noticed, like, I remember the conversations we had.

And also my team listening to these conversations were like, no, remember like the conversations that you have with her? I think it should be okay. And it's a good thing what you're doing. And so like this whole experience I've had with you is like another learning experience. And yes, we'll go off and this will be online and we'll see what people say about it. But I think it's just a, it's like, you know, even still I feel like I haven't opened up much. And I'm hoping that the next time we meet I'll be even more comfortable.

I'll feel even more safe out in the open. And yeah, so I feel like it's just like a lot of emotions have been coming through doing this with you. And it was so much fun. It was an honor. You've given me so much confidence. You've given me confidence. Again, I feel like we have so much in common. And maybe we came together being like, I wonder if what will we bond over and what, and I feel like I'm leaving being like, wow.

I feel like I have so much to think about also even just moving forward for me as an interviewer. You've really been so, it's been an enlightening couple days. So I appreciate your time because I know how busy you are. I know you just got off stage after a three hour show. you've been at that stadium all day. Like, thank you for your time. This is a treat to speak with you. Thank you. And I hope everyone watching this, you shouldn't have anxiety because you have said nothing other than your own feelings and your thoughts about your own life. And so anyone watching maybe just keep in mind that this is Rosie's life. And so to comment negatively or whatever it be, like maybe think before you write anything negative because I think you've really opened up in a beautiful way. and the way to continue to get more of you and you to share is for people to be receptive of your vulnerability. So thank you.

I hope the next time we can just have fun talking about funny things. Girl. You know, the fact that we have to like go back down to it. Like it sounds very depressing. Like we really crying. Right? Part two is us. Just having fun saying whatever the fuck we want.

I'm actually still not over me being like, so. Rosie, are you seeing anyone? You went like this. You flung off your chair. your best friends in the room being like, Rosie, get back in the chair. I know, she was like, get back. You know what?

I think that's what's so fun is I've only interviewed a couple people in my career multiple times, and I know you're going to be one of them. I really? I really do because I feel like I feel such, I feel like we're right, if anything, at the beginning of this chapter for you. Like, this isn't the middle or the end. Like, I really feel like this is such a beginning of you and what we're going to continue to learn about you,

and you're going to grow. And so I'm just honored that I got to meet you. And I will be here whenever that next album comes out, girl. And we will sit down and we will talk about the tea. We will dissect. Every, oh my God, wait, I already have like, what, five songs. I like, my friends, when they listen, they go like, Rosie. And I'm like, I'll go about it later. Stop, stop. You can't tease me that. Okay, you'll tell me off camera. It'll be perfect for color, daddy. Next episode, part two. Rosie. I'm so excited. Cheers.

Cheers to that. Thank you for coming on Color Daddy. Yay. It was an honor. Thank you.