Call Her Daddy - Cazzie David (ft. pick me girls & love bombing)

Episode Date: September 29, 2021

This week, Father Cooper sits down with Cazzie David (despite Cazzie’s last minute efforts to ditch). The two then get serious and discuss family relationships and social media. Cazzie details what the pilot episode of her family’s reality TV show would be and Alex reminds the world that she does in fact have a sister. Building upon last week’s episode, the duo discusses the negative impact of social media along with the popular Tik Tok trend, the notion of a “pick me girl”. While on pop culture they also discuss the D’Amelio show, the Scott Disick dm, and last but certainly not least…Larry David at fashion week. This is Call Her Daddy, so let’s talk dating and relationships. Alex and Cazzie dive deep into the concept of love bombing and Cazzie offers up examples from her own personal experience. The girls give advice on how to recognize the warning signs and overcome an abusive relationship. This episode surely contains a little bit of everything – enjoy daddies!

What is up daddy gang it is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy Hey hey hey we're fucking back baby we're fucking back at it again bitches Hi guys welcome back for another episode of call her daddy This intro is gonna be short and sweet and to the point because this interview is long and thick and juicy. Daddy gang, today I have on Kazzy David. I slid into her DMs about, I would say about six months ago, and I finally got her ass into the dad pad to spill her guts. She is officially my favorite child of a celebrity, but that's also because Lily Rose Depp was not available. In other news, I have made a friend, and her name is Kazzy David. Here she is.

And no, Kazzy, I will not edit the tea out love you enjoy oh my god you guys I feel like I'm gonna lick this like by accident I would rather you lick it than be so far away all right that's fair that's fair I'm pretty quiet so I think it's for the best Kazzy slid into my dms last night and literally and I quote are you sure you still want me to come tomorrow we've literally had this scheduled for six weeks hey are you sure you want me to come in my dms but well first of all I dm'd you because I don't have your number because obviously you want to keep our relationship strictly to Instagram. But you know, when you like have plans with someone and no one's followed up, like I need to follow up like every single day to know that you still want to do it.

And so I'm like, oh, like maybe she does. I was giving you an out essentially. Like if you didn't want to do it. I literally respond. I'm like, yes, Kazzy. Like I will see you tomorrow. And you're like, haha. Okay.

I guess. Literally, I guess. But I feel like you got it. You like know okay i guess literally i guess but i feel like you got it you like know how to reassure someone no i got it and i think that i'm i'm happy you're here now i'm nervous to do what i was about to do to you can i play something for you as long as it's not like my own voice well what okay you're gonna die i was having a vibe that i was like kazzy david was she a fan of the call her daddy like before this like are you gonna play the imitation i made of you i i was planning on telling you i have to come okay so i'm literally sitting here and i'm like there's no fun like i'm

like let me look it's kazzy david like was she a fan or not that shit's wild man like i tried to listen to that and i was like why are you calling me a dirty whore like umsters like i will never believe like what i'm about to fucking do to this fucking cock i was like what i was like hello okay i think we've heard enough i'm like let me explain no i love it first of all i've become an avid daddy listener the last since we decided to do this yeah but when i like they did i did that barstool podcast but i was like looking up barstool shit and i obviously found your guys's shit and i listened to it for like two minutes in an uber ride and obviously I was like I felt like I was like watching porn because of course there was a stranger you dirty whore I was like this is the naughtiest thing I've ever done is listen to this podcast and I listened to it for like two seconds and that's obviously like the imitation I think

it was actually kind of accurate you come dumpsters get in there get your fucking nut get it all over your face and then get the fuck out I was like dying when I watched that call her daddy has evolved and I feel like I don't as recently call people dirty whores like a slut yeah a little skank but it's like in an endearing way I appreciate it and like I would be like honored for you to call me like a dirty skank so like it's fine yeah i think it was just like i liked it you like yeah i like i listen i think that that the beginning show of call her daddy was the most memeable show it was too easy to like go at it like it was so it was right there for you but i feel like that's the thing well yes yeah but i feel like that's also the thing is that like there's nothing there's no shame in like building something really awesome with like what's the shame in that so

you're happy to be here so basically this is kind of the thing that I've been like realizing that I do to myself and maybe you do this too what you get an opportunity or something and then you're like you say yes like my past self said yes but my past self wouldn't have been down to do this at the time it's like oh my future self will like take care of this for me every time I commit to something and then they're like today's the day and I'm like I want to die I don't want to go to that interview like why did past self do that to my future self why did Kazzy commit to coming to this podcast it was so mean I was just like why did you do this to me and they were like oh like I thought maybe you'd want to in three

months and it's like no no I mean I don't know if you're truly aware of this because you have an outlet where you like can speak yeah speak your mind all the time but when you don't have that anytime you open your mouth obviously well this is true for anyone that you are like subject to getting shit on or like hate i can already see it right now the comment alex just bullied kazzy in the beginning of this video she blindsided her she gaslit her people are gonna take it well you also have no idea what anyone is capable of scrutinizing anymore it could be truly anything that you would never expect that's true so yeah it's it's nerve-wracking to pop your head out and like speak about anything well i respect you for doing it and

on the grandest scale you wrote a fucking book you're a brilliant writer oh that's so stupid but you are a brilliant writer i felt a little emo after it in the best way i was like getting my nails done i'm like give me black like i was, this is my mood after reading Cassie David's book. But it is, it's fucking hilarious. What was your parents and your sister's reaction to the book? And like, when did you tell them about it? My dad really enjoyed it because he got off super easy. Obviously, I just like talk about how much I love him.

And my mom, obviously, I talk about how she's toxic in like the nicest way possible my sister's funny because she just like loves when anyone like knows I have a sister anytime she meets one of my friends they'll be like oh my god I didn't know you have a sister and she'll be like Kazzy never tells anyone she has a sister like she's hiding me the internet thinks I don't have a sister also so you're not alone it just didn't come up like if you asked me if i have a sister like yeah i'm gonna say yes but i'm not gonna just like start talking about how i have a sister right we're right so i think she was happy and i think she like did have her therapist read the essay i wrote about her to make sure it was like fine she had her therapist read it before she read it no after

she read it got it because it was like being published oh got it got it i basically like refused to publish anything that anyone was like not okay with so like that's why so it could have been probably juicier but it was not it could have been juicier but you're like a good human being i have too much anxiety okay fair you're like it's not it's actually not like i would have i would have liked to maybe yeah no spill a little bit more tea probably yeah if your immediate family had a reality tv show i fucking love this question oh my god who what would each of the characters be doing in the pilot and what are each of their storylines that's so good my dad would be like eating old food in the fridge like and someone would be like dad that's like three months expired and he'd be like what like just being like a geriatric that's good um

and then like doing a crossword and like the house catches on fire and he like doesn't notice and he's like still doing the crossword what are you doing while you're he's doing that I'm just like trying to wake him up I don't know you're like dad there's a fire yeah there's a the house is on fire my dad's doing a crossword he's not paying attention my sister is like literally collecting every single thing that's hers in the house and like making sure you didn't steal anything from her because it's a good opportunity to go into my closet and right right and my mom is like talking about global warming while the house is on fire that's the pilot that's actually a really good pilot thank you that's a good pilot i've been trying to write one for quite some time now okay well i think you're on to something yeah i would watch it okay let's go back to the beginning

young kazzy were you ever bullied in elementary school or middle school i was bullied a lot in elementary first of all i just want to say that i think most people do and like let me know this is like something that you experienced yeah because when you're like trying to be funny you end up sometimes leaving like some damage behind oh facts you know you don't really know the difference fully between being mean and being funny absolutely and so i'm sure that like someone listening to this is probably like that's weird because she's my fucking bully from i don't know literally writes in it's like really kazzy david because you fucking ruined my entire life i'll never forget what you said 100 possible i don't recall being like mean about anyone's like looks like i

don't think i would go that far but it's possible because i was trying to make people laugh and you're young and you really don't know what the fuck is up i was constantly trying to yeah like be funny and get attention that way there were times where I took it too far that I look back now and I'm like was that mean it's tough it's a fine line I mean now it's like pretty obvious what's mean and what's not yeah facts we were kids at an age where you could still like have a hot list you know what I mean in your school like top five yeah and it's like now that's I don't know if that happens in right schools but it definitely happens online you know if that happens in right schools but i it definitely happens online you know like that people are just hiding behind their computers but it's the same

shit okay what were you worried about i have huge ears i say this a lot and they were really big when i was little because i didn't know how to like hide them i would wear my hair in this like really loose ponytail that would go like this essentially oh so it kind of like a bonnet so i looked like like a loose i fully wore a bonnet i looked like a bat a woven basket every single day my mom was like really trying to stay out of like anything appearance wise like oh really yeah would not tell you if you had a unibrow or like that you needed a bra like she would just like let it like my boobs were showing and i wasn't wearing a bra and it was like two layers like the abracrombie tank tops like a light like mosquito bite popping through it's like awkward it's like little it's not like the hot nipples we see today it was like it's like really okay i feel that okay so you did like self-discover on

your own yeah yeah i know in your book you talk about how we used to have that one hometown beauty and now every hometown girl you're like scrolling and it's like they're all fucking perfect well it's interesting because you know that whole like Wall Street I know you talked about the Wall Street Journal article the Facebook rep was like you know there's negative comparison in life so obviously there's gonna be negative comparison on social media and now it's like we are exposed to like hundreds of thousands of town beauties from the moment you wake up to when you go to sleep right and like are our brains actually okay with right like what that's not normal it was even easier i think to deal with like the industry standard of like the the models the supermodels in the 90s yeah yeah okay we all aspire to like these like 10 women but now it's like you see a stranger

who looks like pretty much exactly like you but with like a smaller nose or a better jaw body or hair or mouth or life everything and that's like twisted in like a really new way I mean there's so many things Instagram could do that would make it better for our mental health like truly there's a million things they could do that I could even think of 1000% every photo that's edited should have to like say that you could do hashtag like facetune like you do hashtag ad right of course like do we all want to do that no but like would it be better for us yes have you kazzy david ever photoshopped a photo first of all i love that you talked about photoshopping a photo like it was like a true crime podcast literally you were like i uploaded the photo

and the next day they said it was edited it was so funny and my life in that moment seemed to be over i think everyone edits photos if you i mean truthfully like photoshopping is a skill and like i am not good at it and so i do have to be very particular over which photos i bombard my friend you know i only get a few i can't send too many photos or they're gonna be like literally fuck off dude I have friends so it's not all of my photos but it's like the ones I really need help with what would you edit about yourself oh I know my fucking huge nose can you edit this out no honestly my like that's what's so interesting because like there I was talking to someone about fillers and Botox and everything and they my like that's what's so interesting because like there I was talking

to someone about fillers and Botox and everything and they were like it's a slippery slope it's a slippery slope because you think you need one thing and then it goes down and then you do everything that's like no I already think I need everything like there's not like I would not be able to choose it's embarrassing to admit that we want to be more attractive yeah but like of course we all do everyone's like oh like i'm not ugly i'm just broke i'm so insecure that i don't want to be perceived as wanting to be more attractive because i think people talk shit about me even though no one's like sitting at home being like do you know who's so brave for not getting a nose job kazzy that's pathetic that's that's that's me at least she's like cool and interesting because she like

hasn't gotten work done but it's like they're actually just like thinking you're not hot and then have you seen this stuff on tiktok where it's like maybe this is just my algorithm no it's because they know that like i'm obsessed with it where it's like this is your sign to get lip injections it's the tiniest thing that's made my life so much better blah blah blah our culture of like being so afraid the world is ending right yet we're obsessed with beauty and skincare and trends that like make fast fashion so much fucking worse for the environment yet we're all like we inherited a horrible planet but like actually we're gonna buy like more skin products than like any generation in history it's really confusing and i feel like we all know we're doing it people are afraid to stop for fear that they're then gonna miss out but you kind of everyone wants it to stop I feel like right like do your friends

like social media I don't think anyone like likes it I just think we're all super addicted to it and like don't know how to now live without it and I think you know that thing you were talking about it with like getting rid of your likes and comments. That's something if everyone did, everyone would be happy to do. Would you do it? Yeah, I would do it. Especially if I was getting like bullied to an extent where I couldn't handle it. Right. Celebrities can't not have their like, yay, good morning.

Like they need it. They feed off of it. Well, half of the shit they're posting is to get that yeah which is why I think like ever since I turned the comments off like I'll admit it feels weird and I feel like exponentially happier like I literally feel alleviated of stress but that's so that's would you say like likes and comments were the thing that made you the most insecure on Instagram? I get hate. Obviously, people like you dumb cunt.

Go fucking kill yourself. I'm like, thank you. Good morning. But I think I just recognize like, wait, if this is bothering me at all, like if it's causing any level of friction in my life and in my mind, why? Why? Just you literally just press off. I really do feel like you're actually super strong about stuff like that the hate has evolved in such a way where it's actually like so much more clever

now than it used to be because it used to be like you're a jew and i'd be like yeah yeah and now it's like insightful in this way where it's like you can't even be like oh what a dumb fucking troll in the race man it's like do i agree because this is so do you clever what do people fucking say in your comments I have no sense of my own identity at all and I think like having exposure for my book and having like more people be able to form an opinion about me I'm not gonna write a book about how stable I am that's literally the worst thing I would ever imagine reading yeah so like I think the perception is like oh this girl's like bipolar like narcissist just what I've seen a lot of I'm like insane and like yeah it's a book of personal essays I'm not gonna write about like

your loving right my life and how lucky I am right my life is great like I fucking love everything so unfunny to talk about how happy and okay you are not that like the main goal was to be funny but I do think it was though I do think something that yeah it was I do think the main thing that comes from like a lot of hate is people feeling like well I could do that so much better so I'm gonna fucking shit on this because it's unfair and that's totally valid and I feel the same way about a lot of hate is people feeling like well I could do that so much better so I'm gonna fucking shit on this because it's unfair and that's totally valid and I feel the same way about a lot of things so yeah that's fair I do understand what's interesting about what that person said to you about like being upset about the like that whole photoshopping thing is that they were probably really upset that you were able to use that for material and like control your narrative

dude I'm so jealous of the ways in which you can control your narrative like why because i can't do certain things like that because i'm like not a normal i'm like not normal that's please please edit that out kathy's not normal why people are gonna call me a pick me girl dude what is a pick me girl okay so this is actually the funniest i see people write it to me all the time. You're such a pick me girl. I'm like, really? But this is what Tik TOK needs to,

they need to come together and have a straight up definition for what these things are. Because I saw one that was like qualities that make my friends pick me girls. And one was like, she likes to rock climb. And one was like, she listened to the Smiths. And it's like,

these are just qualities like i need to i need i need a clear definition so i can avoid it well apparently i'm not a pick me girl because i don't like the smiths and i don't rock climb and i know i've said things that are like you're a pick me girl like yeah okay i maybe i am but it's not for like male attention it's just for nothing so okay like what am i getting out of being a pick me girl if it's no men like me I'm just kidding wait the definition for me is someone who's like I'm so quirky and weird I'm just so weird or it's like I don't like drama like and I'm like friends with guys and oh so that I understand like fuck that girl like we all hate that girl we never had a name for it

once you come up with a name for something it becomes so much more shameful to be that before there was a name it was just like i don't like people who like act like this yeah a pick me girl is essentially yet again we're pinning girls up against girls every single time we tear another girl down another man advances the reason people started to shame pick me girls is because the nature of a pick me girl this is according to tiktok is misogynistic they don't want to be associated with other women i don't like other women like i don't act like those girls right so that's misogynist yes however it's also misogynistic to shame people for doing that and that's what is so fucking confusing about right now on the internet where it's like one person comes out

with an idea and then another person comes out with an idea about why that idea is problematic and then another person comes out with an idea why that idea on that idea is problematic and it's like we're circling and then there's like actual like fucked up shit going on and like why are we why are we focused on pick me girls let them live their fucking life is it affecting you in any possible way you're just seeing a girl on the internet do something that you feel like is to appease to what the male gaze let me guess though the person that's deeming that as appealing to the male gaze is a woman i bet none of the men what man is saying she's a pick no it is the men no guys no no no no they're not but the guy

guys are like it's girls that are being like you're a pick me girl i have girls fucking in my dms all the time yes because the definition of pick me girls i'm like no it's fun but that's the thing is you could say anything's a pick me girl like let's i would love to just narrow down what a pick me girl is so i can join in on the fun I would just say it's a fucking desperate human that's just like looking for validation in any corner of the fucking room in order to fill them up I think it's the girl that's like drinking beer just for the guys to like talk about how she's a cool girl okay yes that's fair that's fair she's like but also going out into the rain and being like, just come out here. It's amazing. And it's like, no. But also then I go back to my college self.

I would have been absolutely down to go to like the hockey guy's dorm room by myself and have a beer. But it was also for self-motivation of like, I want to get with this guy. So I'm going to fucking do what it takes to like get in there. Because socially, I want to fucking rise to the charts. And I want to get invited to the charts and i want to get invited like i just i don't think that's a pick-me-girl i don't think you're a pick-me-girl oh that's just my okay you're not either well i say things that are but i'm at my core not because i think you have to do it for male attention and that's not something i do for that yeah no I do other things for male attention like what

like I'm gonna try to think too what do I do fill in my eyebrows absolutely like I'll wear like tight jeans yeah if I'm going out to dinner looser or way comfier but gotta suck that asshole and really show up gotta show that butt you know what i mean wait let's chopstick mine melted while we've been here what is that question for you what is there anything in your life that you feel protective over and that you wouldn't share with your friends like if you have a really good playlist like or you have a really good chapstick like that you would want to be protective over because I feel like the thing with TikTok is that they are willing to share any tip that they find that's good they they want everyone else to

have it too which I think is very nice but I'm curious because sometimes I share things with people and I watch them later on and I'm just like, I regret. I regret sharing that with you. Like what? This is why I don't do what you do, because these are my questions versus yours. I'm going to answer that question. You're like the millennial Barbara Walters. Stop.

Do you share your chopstick with your friends? No, it's a good question. I'm trying to think, but what do you what have you shared that you regret and then let me think about that answer this chopstick okay it kind of looks like a lipstick this is black cherry clinique black honey okay and i got it two years ago obsessed my friend told me about it and i use it all the time so i did have to hear about it from someone in order to have it so it's not like i found it but this year it got really it went trending crazy on tiktok they shared it with everyone now it's sold out i feel like maybe when i was younger

anyone who tries this will want it that's the thing about it you don't is that just the only thing on your lips right now yeah it does look pretty good but i i i feel comfortable with my pomegranate okay good but i may try maybe and i'm not gonna go for yours because i don't want it's one unit i get to be one that takes it away from you no i actually do hate this quality people when you're like where'd you get that and they're like oh like yeah i don't know like you know where you fucking got it dude i remember i had a friend in middle school elementary school vibe she used to wear this perfume and she didn't want me to wear it she's like the guys like it will be weird if we both smell the same and then when i was at her house i looked through her fucking shit and i was like it's the juicy

couture like fuck you and then i like you're probably just embarrassed that it was juicy yeah and to this day i still will use it good it sounds good i think that's that should be the rule is that i'm willing to share anything about my life as long as you share with me too and if you don't share like i'm not sure yeah um yeah let's just move the fuck on people hate us so far or what how do you think we're coming off we're cruising you know we're like we're just talking we're just talking we're just there's nothing to judge here we're just chatting we're just chatting like we're literally chatting okay let's talk about the D'Amelio's TikTok show yeah what are your thoughts on each character Charlie Dixie mom dad you can give me also your opinion on the creepy Greg manager guy but you can leave him last if you don't if you don't want to go I genuinely have no thoughts about Greg Greg you gave me not one critical thought

which is actually worse I will say fucking Charlie is really has good instincts about this shit and the fact that someone that young knows the cycle of getting hate that she knows that if someone compliments her she's gonna get hate and she doesn't want anyone to compliment her that's like really smart one but and two really fucking sad that she has had enough experience with that to know the cycle of it dude she's 17 and literally what was it she was about to be on the top 100 whatever the fuck time shit and she was like no I can't I can't do this for her I will get shit on yeah but it's it's really fucked it's sad okay so Charlie you think I mean I think anyone who comes away not being able to empathize with Charlie and Dixie is a sociopath I agree with that they had observations about fame that I thought were really perceptive

like Dixie saying I love that we're getting so serious about Dixie Dixie shout out it's true she she said this thing about the mental health conversation which is that so many people come forward with their mental health issues and everyone supports them why does that never happen for me and it's true it's like how do we pick and choose who we're supporting and who we're not it's not right I agree with you I think I felt absolute empathy in the aspects that they discuss with regard to mental health and the connection to how social media is basically deteriorating it one day at a fucking time I get it though if I was fucking 17 and people were talking about me i would be reading that shit like ingesting it like fucking breakfast lunch and dinner like how do you look away the way i feel like and maybe it wasn't

shown correctly but if your kids are like fucking sobbing and wanting to kill themselves over this like wouldn't you try extra hard to just tell them to stop dude like i really wish i saw a moment i saw like you don't have to do this but i didn't see like you need to stop right like get get the fuck out of our house cameras everyone like it didn't really make a lot of sense to me and i feel like if your kids are going through that you would try harder to put a stop to it and maybe you would even give the kids a choice the amount of times you see the mom like on the ground like sobbing being like oh my god like i just wish she could get a break okay give it to her she's literally 17 years old she's a minor give it to her tell her agent not to come by tomorrow and to cancel this month give it to her she's literally 17 years old she's a minor give it to her tell her agent not to come by tomorrow and to cancel this month give it to her why are you acting like it's out of your

control it makes me sad but overall i think the the charlie and the dixie dynamic i have i have nothing but like empathy i actually feel really bad the and this is really weird to me also is that like the public humiliation that we put people through is so insane because one when someone does something wrong like let's say they say the wrong thing or whatever it is the comments regarding that are just as like offensive as what we're like canceling someone for if not worse have you actually ever had one of those like crying breakdowns that you saw Dixie having yes me too I know I love how he asked that I was like wait she's gonna say yeah of course yeah it's I know you had a comment let's talk about quickly Scott Disick and it was kind of irrelevant just because Scott is in the public eye does he deserve his dirty laundry being

aired I think this is a bigger conversation about, it's not just about Scott Disick, guys. Screenshotting. And when you're in a legal battle, great. Have your screenshots. But to post them on social media should be illegal, in my opinion. Wow. I mean, there's other things we should do first right hold on kathy real back no i i hear you but there's certain things that happen in pop culture that i see everyone siding with someone on and i'm like no no no

like in the scott disick thing thing yeah Benjamin what I don't know Benjamin Benjamin Benjamin Benjamin Benjamin Eunice okay okay whatever we're not gonna say his name anymore Scott obviously in a moment of weakness weakness and loneliness obviously had no one else to reach out to and wanted some companionship someone who understands what he might be going through reached out to benjamin unicef and said oh my god dude our our ex-girlfriend in venice pda i mean we all recognize how much PDA this couple is having, right? It's wild, yeah. I know everyone thinks it's, like, adorable. I don't. I never find PDA to be anything but grotesque.

Anyways, and then Benjamin Unicef screenshotted the message, posted it, and was basically pretending like he was the bigger person. Like, I'm not going to indulge this. And then everyone's, like, humiliating Scottott for sending scott's already humiliated like let's not we should never be beating a man beating beating a dead horse beating a man what's down like whatever the phrasing is he's already embarrassed we should be shaming benjamin yeah you know the chloe kardashian thing like when that photo and everyone like hated on her because she wanted a photo deleted like she's already embarrassed she's tone it down we don't

need we get it she's like perpetuated like an unattainable beauty standard like imagine what's going on in that woman's brain like i literally prayed she wanted a photo deleted who the fuck cares you saw it take some solace in that like oh she doesn't look like that like we saw it okay and like don't be a fucking asshole and then go like troll her yeah it's just i feel like people are always siding with the wrong thing and the mass humiliation is something that i feel like is evolving even though it's something we as a society are like actually speaking up against right but it's rising at the same time and we support it and indulge it i don't know it's like a weird like contradiction do you have one of the many on the internet do you ever troll anyone in their comment section kazzy if someone hangs out with

someone i hate i'll like dm them being like wow wow so cool. Stop. And then what do they say? They'll be like, stop cyberbullying me. Or if they post something that's like a show that's super mainstream that everyone loves or like something that like everyone's obviously obsessed with. I'll be like, oh my God. You're hard on that. Yeah. Like just we get it.

Yeah. But that's probably my Instagram. I'm like, I'm rewatching Friday Night Lights. No, that's's not it it's like people who like um i feel like it's literally not it shut up i'm like oh okay i need to talk about something serious and i know this is probably going to be difficult for you to talk about and it may be too soon i can't tell if you're joking if this is a setup for a joke because it's so trivial or if it's actually serious can you talk about the first time that you saw the video of your dad sitting front of fashion week this is so not gonna be like what I don't care you want to hear from this I want to hear whatever what anyone would want to hear I found it like so like disturbing like I'm happy everyone was like thought it was so funny and like relatable

for me it was like this is like a man who was like dragged to some place he doesn't want to be that he didn't know what it would be he doesn't know what a fashion show is like someone's like will you please come to this fashion show with me like but he didn't know what a fashion show is like someone's like will you please come to this fashion show with me like but he didn't want to go obviously like I know him so the moment that's going viral that's like me watching my dad be like um he looks like he's having like a breakdown like truly like he looks so miserable and I obviously don't like seeing my dad miserable whether or not it's funny but he would never also do something to try and be funny anyone who thinks that like he was trying to be funny I don't think he's ever done anything in his life like that to be funny he's like if you're funny like great but like if you're not funny don't try to be funny

ever what was your family group text or what was your text with him like what was what did you what happened I don't think I even texted him about it because I knew that he was getting a lot of texts about it but you never me and my sister texted each other and we were just both just like oh this is so sad oh my god I know it's so weird it's so weird how different like your reaction can be then. Well, I think that's also helpful. Now that you're saying it, I can so see it. It was simply just too loud for him to be there.

Yeah. Like it's just, it's very sad. Thank you for confirming. Okay. So you never brought it up to him? No. him no love bombing i figured kazzy david hey girl yeah um have you ever experienced love bombing sure have um yeah um a simple thing about like love bombing is just like you are treated as essentially like you're in a romantic comedy you know extreme gift giving compliments neediness, excessive communication, like all these things, which is interesting just because it's the thing that like you and me, when we were growing up and watching movies, it's like actually these are all red flags like every

movie you've watched like if there was a part two and it was realistic would actually turn into like the abusive relationship love bombing daddy gang to anyone that is not familiar with it what kazzy is basically saying is like it's this person essentially drawing you in by showing you such an extreme amount of attention and love and affirmation but it's all an attempt to get you so fucking close and latched on to that person to later manipulate you yes with that it works It does. Like, it's once you're in a relationship with that person, you're constantly trying to get back to this time when it was, like, amazing. Right. And it's like, why wouldn't you be able to get back to that time?

Like, it was right there. Like, I experienced it. Like, of course I can get back to that. Right. So it does. It exists because, like it it works what is something someone's bought you in a love bombing phase tell me I would say just like excessive amounts of jewelry or like doing things that are obviously

putting someone out of like an extreme inconvenience that you would never like ask for showing up at your door randomly is like actually inappropriate and not like oh my god this is everything I've ever dreamed of would you think like in the movies yeah they stroll up and it's like hi and meanwhile you're like this is creepy because if it does turn abusive which it slowly is about to then they just start showing up right well also when you're super insecure which like you're a confident blonde so I don't know how much you can relate I actually am your opposite I'm just noticing like I have black hair and like hate myself and you're I think it's like the outward persona absolutely you would think that that's me I'm like you in the upside down and then if you literally look

at middle school photos you would be like okay wait never mind you've just been running from like who what you actually are and you are just like me and I spent half more than half my life hating myself the point was is that okay when you super insecure, all you want is someone to be like obsessed with you. And so, of course, it's like a dream come true when you never were told anything about like emotional tactics to like keep you into a relationship. Well, they don't teach it in school. No. At what point did you recognize in your experience that it was like manipulation? I think when like, so it's this kind of thing

where it's like over time, everything is your fault. Like their unhappiness is always your fault. And so I think it was when the reason started to become so stupid that I couldn't put myself in their shoes and be like, oh, I think I would be like upset by that too and try to justify it. When I genuinely could no longer justify it, like even like with gaslighting and manipulation,

I was like, oh, I know what's going on here. That doesn't mean it was easy for me to like get out of it. Like it wasn't, but I knew it would like never end. And there would always be that next thing, especially when it was like something like screaming at you because like you wore a tank top to a party, you know, like, okay, like I know what's up now. Like that, yeah, something's wrong. Or like once you accomplish the things that they're saying are wrong with you and then they find new things like well you're hanging out with your friends too much and you're like I actually haven't seen my friends in like a very long time you realize it's just like a never ending cycle yeah I've talked about this on my show but I've never like gone into

detail and I do think it's very important to lay out for people and again every situation is going to be different and there's such a difference between like a toxic dick that's just like literally doesn't like you and just is not texting you back and treats you like shit because he doesn't care for someone that's like ill and is manipulating someone and their ego is the driving force to every decision they make and unfortunately you're just a pawn in another game for them unfortunately that's just feeding their ego well also one is oblivious to the fact that they're even hurting you and one is like getting off on your emotional reactions. Yes.

There is a predictable pattern in relationships that you need to look for that Kazzy is starting to outline essentially. And the language and communication style will essentially change depending on which phase of the abuse cycle you're in. So the beginning phase is love bombing is what you're describing. So this person is focused on charming you and it's

like intense professions of adoration. It seems like they're almost rushing for a sense of intimacy at times. Oh my gosh. Like I've never felt this connection. Like you're so smart. You're so pretty. You're so building you up. Essentially. They're basically doing this to essentially understand your emotional weakness. Like, oh, she's insecure. Like she loves when I give her compliments about that. Keep that in the back of my head. So later on when it turns not love bombing and we're going to go to the evaluation, you can throw it in to break her down.

And I'm the only one that's going to be able to build her back up. It's very well developed and it's a Pentagon level scheme. It's like, yeah. and it's I bet so many people are listening like wait okay I did hit it off with this person really early on there is a difference yeah of course I mean yes there's like obviously moments where like relationships move really fast and they could be the love of your life yeah just saying that like oftentimes like this happens and it's actually uh yeah yeah it's a warning sign they attempt to show you that like they appreciate you and understand you like no one else can

and you're thinking early on wow he knows me better than anyone so then when there's ever conflict you have a struggle of breaking free of that relationship and so people are always perplexed like how did they stay like how did she say how did he stay usually this is one of the primary reasons because the love bombing phase was so intense that that foundation is hard to shake because especially if you're insecure like it was filling so many things that you felt you were lacking in your life and this person is fulfilling them meanwhile it's just a fucking tactic they don't actually fucking think this shit or they and maybe they do because like you're

they're your only you're their only focus whatsoever and maybe they don't even realize what they're doing but they're still following all of these things like you can literally like be in a relationship like this and you look it up online and it'll be the exact same things that like you experience like to a t the language like everything and it's not that they're like studying it necessarily to do it right it's just like either they were like brought up a certain way where they um have like an emptiness that they need you to fill they are so hyper focused on you that in the moment it's wanting to basically gain all as much knowledge so they understand what's your weakness because it's the mirroring concept of like they are building you up more for them than you essentially because it's like their image of themselves at times they need to be with

a partner that you're like you're you're amazing because in their mind they're like I couldn't be with someone that's not amazing or well that's because anytime your attention isn't focused on them they feel like you're treating them like shit yes so it's like if you can't answer the phone it's like wow you're like an actual like really cold unloving person because you're like doing work and like you don't care about me but that's the thing is like when we talk about like oh like that's the reason why people stay in these relationships like we actually like should just eliminate that part of the conversation entirely because it doesn't really matter why they stayed it's just like at all it's what matters is like

giving people like the tools to be able to knock it into these relationships yeah and how to get out of them once they are if they i think that's a great i a point because i have death i have someone very close to me that was going through something like this and for others to be like you're so judgmental like why can't you just felt like that's never going to be the option because if anything you're just pushing them closer to the person that's being abusive and then that person will isolate you because they find out that you are against them yeah and you're judging yeah when you go from the love bombing phase to then essentially the devaluation phase which is it's just constantly basically tearing you down and making you feel like shit yeah i would say it's like the timeline

is different for everyone obviously and like the devaluation could just be like a week and then you're back to like some goodness and then it's back to that and it's like up and down right but the devaluation is like it's basically like a lot of like black and white thinking so it's like oh you're the greatest person in the world and it's like actually like you're a fucking pathetic whore like because you posted that picture on instagram and then it's just like non-stop with that until you're like i don't want this person to think I'm like that. Like I'm not like that. Right. And it's like constantly proving yourself to a made up concept that they just like. And it's never ending. Yeah. It's basically I know in research I was seeing

like it's like this circling cycle where you start to actually be like, am I going insane? We make up, then they come back at me with something. And then I try to make up for it. And then all of a sudden I'm perfect again. There's no like in between normal balance. It's such extremes was usually your response to just immediately try to get back in good graces. I think over time, once you realize like the cycle and that no matter what you say it's just going to keep going you do try to speed it up by apologizing yeah or like whatever it is that you can do to make it stop you pick up on certain things you say that work that like might make it go by faster but

in the beginning it's like you're just so confused that like someone could treat you or find something you do so insulting that you could be sobbing on the floor for hours, but they're not going to care. They're just going to keep going at you. So it doesn't matter how often you apologize or whatever. Usually it just isn't going to make a difference. But actually arguing with any logic doesn't work at all, no. Did you think you were going to be with this person for the rest of your life yeah oh my god of course oh really yeah yeah well you're you're

young one and you don't again like you don't know like it's so stupid now to think like that I wouldn't know that that's like a cliche even like what was a point for you that you could like tangibly hold on to that if someone's listening and they're like am I in this like what allowed you to take the step to get out it's like sad because it's it was almost like when you your entire soul genuinely can't take it anymore was when I like finally it was literally like I cannot physically mentally emotionally take this for like one more second and so like that was it whereas like there's some people who are like I know that are like so secure and stable that they would know these signs immediately and just be like fuck that i'm not dealing with that shit like ew but yeah i was not i mean i was like

very young so i don't know did like you ever like confide in your like parents no because like you don't want your parents to like hate the person you're with until like it's over yeah and then so you're just protecting like what this person looks like to your friends and family right for as long as you can did your sister know my sister just like knows everything so she just like knew early on and it was like annoying that she knew would she like shit on you and like say shit to you be like hello kazzy or like no supportive she would like try but yeah i think it's the kind of thing where it's like you go so above and beyond like this person would um like they hold you like very emotionally hostage so you can't escape the situation that you're in so it's like if someone's like verbally abusing you and like screaming at you and you're

crying or whatever you can't leave because they'll be like if you leave I'm never gonna talk to you again or if you leave I'll break up with you or if you leave I'll do something that is like self-harm yeah whatever it is if you like get off the phone I'm gonna call your house and your dad's gonna wake up and blah blah and it's like because you just don't want your dad to know right that you're like yeah so you can like you just keep going whereas like that would maybe end like something but it's like right like it's like constant threats the literally the only option is to agree or to run but the concept of leaving is basically kind of shut off by the way that they're abusively like

telling you the options in front of you well you also don't think you can get away with running because like you think something will happen that's not worth it like you're dealing with those people who like don't use rhyme or reason like you could genuinely have never hurt this person and by them seeing like a text message they could do something so genuinely hurtful to you and think it's like equal so you're you're constantly walking on eggshells because one little thing could be as big to them as something like, you know. A text message. Like full cheating in front of them.

That's how it's treated, you know. Right. I would say if someone hurts your feelings and they genuinely don't care how it's affected you, that is like the biggest sign ever. The lack of empathy. And yes, you're right you'll be able to gauge that if it's literally like you're screaming crying on the floor and they're standing there essentially like continuing to beat you down I had this really I'll probably make you delete this but I had this was like one of the first signs that I was like what the fuck is wrong with this person he was like coming to visit me and he texted me before the plane like I really need to talk to you when I get there

and so I was like oh like they're breaking up with me like they're coming they're flying here to break up with me which is like I guess nice that they would do it in person but there's no chance that like this isn't them breaking up with me right they made me text them the entire flight like I couldn't leave my phone and it was like we really need to talk we really need to talk something's not okay and so obviously I'm like panicking like what the fuck is going on they finally get to my house um we need to talk and I'm like I know just fucking do it and he's like you don't have sex with me enough and I was like what do you mean I don't have sex with you enough he's like you don't have sex with me enough I'm really unsatisfied all my friends have sex with

their girlfriends every single day like you don't fuck me enough like it's really fucked up and I'm unhappy and I'm not gonna take it anymore and so even when you're like okay like do you want to fuck right yeah you're like should we go fuck it's like taking off your pants yeah it's like you were out of town so we weren't having sex because we weren't in the same place but like to approach something with any sense of like I'd rather not humiliate this person right so like maybe I should be like sensitive about the topic because I don't want them to be embarrassed what was your response at first I thought it was a joke but then it was like after I like said I would obviously have sex more with them and was like apologizing I was genuinely like humiliated I was like I'm

so embarrassed that you like feel this way and that you've like been thinking about this even like it's so embarrassing for me but it just didn't stop it like didn't stop it was like hours gone by it's like you don't fuck me enough like you don't fuck me enough like blah blah blah like just non-stop you're just like on the floor crying and they don't care and that's like the sign i guess after like obviously 100 signs but i also want to point out which is so embarrassing this is a total change of subject okay and i only bring this up because it's like just the first thing that came to my mind demois posted that i was asexual shut the fuck up but it's not and it was so embarrassing but it's something that i can't defend myself from because i can't be like so weird because i do fuck all the time and i love sex because you just sound like you're covering up but anyways this story made me

feel like this is not good for my overall image of people thinking of me. I don't think I have sex. Okay, everyone, you don't even need to say that out loud. First of all, even if you were, that's not for the Okay, I'm not though. No, I know. You're not. You're not. Cassie is not. Basically, I just want everyone to know if that story ends up making it to air i'm not asexual and i don't think anyone i fucking fuck okay i know you fuck that is something that someone has said to me before that you're asexual nope yeah i highly doubt that no no you got me so excited you're asexual people think you're asexual too, Alex? I will say that I've had a guy be like, you're not fucking me enough. And I get what you're saying. I can relate so much when you're like,

so do you want to fuck now? Like, should we? And then yet, like, if we fucked right now, that would be so inappropriate. I would literally be crying while you fuck me. Yeah. And it's like, there's such a different way to bring that conversation up. If it's like there's such a different way to bring that

conversation up if it's ever brought up to you in that way anyone listening please know there's so many more fucking issues than your sex life like if someone is literally like you don't fuck me enough and like screaming at you that's actually like the least of your worries i get it i people write in all the fucking time like hey like my boyfriend and i aren't fucking enough like and i feel like we're off like the way to go about something like that is so fucking wildly different that this kind of has nothing to do with sex honestly yeah i would just say also that like those things are usually like based from like no facts yeah yes like like you said like he's gone it's gonna be random shit that like you would have never thought of that is a problem because it's not thank you whoa everyone's gonna be like

kazzy can literally shut up about everything um actually i think not at all if anything i think like the respect continues to elevate in the room as you like are more vulnerable so thank you dude it's also call her daddy sorry we love it i'm happy we love it i'm so happy because he's like i'm even horny because i'm not asexual so like i'm turned on right now i will say the difference once you're in a healthy relationship yeah you almost feel like they don't even like you not that they don't but it's because it's like healthy you don't need to text all day every day you could even go a day where you don't text it's probably at all yeah or that they don't say that you're literally the most incredible person they've ever met in their entire lives oh that's

helpful though for someone that's been through what you're explaining and then to try to attempt for a healthy relationship, like it's hard. Yeah. Which I think is, you think they don't like you because you're like, you obviously don't think I'm blowing up my phone. Yeah.

Why aren't you telling me? I'm literally the most, most perfect, like intelligent human. You almost start to like have toxic traits yourself. Cause you, you're, you've been programmed to think like,

that's what love is but it's not are you dating right now i am yeah like in a relationship wait how long can i ask or no how long i'm not gonna ask who unless it's timothy chalamet then because i did see your dad with him so i was like it's been a it's been a while yeah okay that's great so and just keeping it basic of like that you've now you're almost like learning a healthy relationship okay well good for you you deserve it thank you and you're having sex I have to go have sex with him right after this literally hurry before du mois gets on your ass it's been a couple hours but actually to wrap that also up like what is in your opinion the difference between the toxic frat boy and someone who is truly emotionally abusive and also i'm going to say not toxic frat boy boy or what it's like a fuck boy like or woman um women can be great yeah

they really fucking can yeah it's they can be worse. It's the same thing. One is oblivious of the fact that you're in pain and is more just like an unselfaware, unevolved person. Yeah. And the other, again, gets maybe not even pleasure, but like feeds off of your emotional reaction and you being in pain and and crying essentially that's a good point because like i've had a guy that's so oblivious and he's like what wait no i didn't know like it's like that the reaction when you

start crying they're like wait i'm so sorry i didn't mean that is a fucking classic idiot fuck boy that's just like, Oh fuck. Or they just like, don't answer. Cause like, all right, this bitch is crazy. I don't even like her that much.

The other one is like, you're crying and they're almost egging it on to continue the crying and they want it to, you want, they want it to like sink in. Yeah. Yuck. Um,

Kazzy, do you want to talk about ex dysmorphia basically like the person your ex is now with yeah becomes the most amazing the most creative the most effortless human and it makes you rethink anything you once believed or liked or thought where it's like, maybe like singing I love rock and roll at karaoke is cool in an ironic way. You become delusional. Maybe I should take up rock climbing. Yeah. Maybe I should do that and I should start listening to the smiths listen when when you have someone in your life and they move on and you see them with someone it's not always easy

but for me I think I will literally admit this up until like I would say last year still this year a little linger I have like ex-boyfriends on ex-boyfriends on ex-boyfriends that like I've picked up do you have a fake account on Instagram yes she nodded just say it out loud yeah obviously okay thank you I have literally like if you go like I need to know can you name one person that's like the people you stalk from your fake account could I literally say their name yeah do you think that's everyone's biggest secret i mean we all know who they are it's anyone your ex has dated or your or your like new boyfriend's ex or yeah yeah anyone who's threatened you in any way yeah no no i can't

say any of them but i do i yes like literally Like literally all exes, all exes slash. I feel a part of their lives now. Like we've been on this journey for so long, girls, like my old, old, old ex. That's like three fucking removed. Like, do you watch their stories? I still watch. OK, when I was dating that person, his ex girlfriend isfriend is still in and around my fake account I'm like what are you up to sweetie and like I've had five boyfriends since then I'm like oh my god like

Georgina or whatever the fuck I'm like oh my god like she's doing great oh my god she moved she looks like Georgina's still someone you must I need to check on and it's because like it's so I don't know why but like because of the obsessiveness in the moment of me stalking my ex's girl, ex-girlfriend or girlfriends, then you move on to a new guy and then you add a new girlfriend. But still the fascination to the other twice removed ex-girlfriend is still there. Well, you spent you spent so much time also relentlessly comparing yourself to them that you can't just like peace. Forget that time. Like it's ingrained in you can't just like peace forget that time like it's

ingrained in you i just want to normalize it it's one thing if you're obsessed does it sound like i'm obsessed yep anytime you talk about the stuff it sounds like you're obsessed but it's like it is it's we all do it i don't think it is normal i don't think it's normal but i guess comparison is normal right to a certain extent if being normal is the definition of something everyone does then it's normal but if us all doing it doesn't make it normal also I think for me though it's gotten to the point where like like I wasn't in pain like I wasn't upset it was more just like this is so interesting I would try to like picture their lives together and be like huh like I don't know it's a weird concept which like model like Instagram model do you stalk the most oh

I maybe uh who are like the people like the breed of people you're jealous of you're gonna hate this answer and I would hate it too but this is genuinely honest you're not jealous of anyone because you are the coolest person no no no i feel like in the past year knowing myself and how fake shit is on social media i don't get jealous anymore because i don't believe anything i fucking see i like need to spend more time with you please it's true it's like i look me oh like sometimes i just want i like stalk bella hadid i'm like damn your face like whoa what's going on this is crazy like you're so skinny you look incredible in that outfit. And then I'm like, hold on. I know there's backstory on the family. Like you have to have so much empathy now for people almost. And if you're

jealous, I also have the insight of me, what I post and what I'm literally talking about. I'm like, Hey, Vegas fucking sucks. I felt fat. Like it's not, it's not real anymore so I feel like my gauge on jealousy is more if I feel like I'm slacking in my career I haven't felt that way lately but I have at times in my career that I'm jealous if I see someone else advancing because I'm like fuck I should be spending more time on that shit other than that no I have the same thing yeah I have like an invisible job it feels like where I write every single day I've written probably like 300 pilots in the last like five years um but like no one could think I like have worked a day in my life it is it is interesting how immediate the reward is for podcasting but also how draining it is like you never got a moment to stop and just be like damn

that episode was good I'm on to the next every single wednesday i would say they're like opposite professions which is why so many people have started podcasts i was looking at i mean i looked up your podcast yesterday to listen to the new one yeah but i saw like comedy podcasts and it was literally like every alt comic I've ever seen on Instagram, their face like, nah, and like their fucking punny podcast name. And I was just like, like scrolling through, I was like, oh my God. Like it was like a nightmare. But it's because they need, people need outlets to like get their material out. And this feels like them, yeah, the most.

Your privilege. Yeah. get their material out and this feels like them yeah the most your privilege yeah what do you feel about that with regard to like your career it's pretty obvious I would not have a career without my father I don't think that's obvious well it's obvious people think that yeah okay that would be an impossibility for me to have ever made it without my dad people do not like kids of celebrities they really hate us except for when you are so attractive or so cool like you have to be lily rose depp or zoe kravitz and then they're like step on me yeah but if you're even like if if you're just like, honestly, not beautiful, they'll be like, why the fuck does she have anything? That's what it feels like. Yeah, people want this, like, you trudged through the mud, like got nothing handed to

you. And like, you made it, baby. And it's like, everyone's gonna say I'm entitled anyway. So like, what do I do now with my career? Like, should I pick a different fucking profession? Well, that's the thing is like I actually like can't and I always believe like if there's something you can do that's outside of your narcissistic dreams like do that so many kids feel like they need to follow some kind of creative dream in order to feel like their life has a purpose because if you don't have a job that like

creates content do you exist and it's like why would you choose being a doctor over getting attention right but like I would have tried to do this if I was adopted into another family or like whatever it is I honestly have no other skills like i wish i could do something else but i hate kids of celebrities too so it's like i want to be part of the club where it's like no not me you guys like i'm one of you guys like no no but not no like i'm all them like trust me like i'm cool like you don't need to hate me like i'm with you guys like they all fucking fuck those people they just get their opportunities but it's like yeah i i do understand why people would shit on me well you made a great fucking book thank you and i thought it was wonderful thank you look i have your book right there i know it's so nice of you i'm just contributing to your bank account you're

welcome i mean same yeah thanks for coming on here you're welcome no i'm just kidding thank you for thank you for having me seriously that was great there's this book and i want you to i think i bookmarked it it's so cute it's basically your birthday and it describes i love it okay but i kind of peaked may 10th right yeah okay read it out loud oh this is already so embarrassing you are persistent mentally alert and level-headed and you never let failure or adversity deter you nope your effort or lessen your spirit no you are courteous diplomatic and gracious i don't know about that never showing your true feelings unless they are pleasant no literally the complete opposite could not be less accurate which is interesting because these things are so good because they use very like vague adjectives that anyone could be like I am

a loyal friend it's so weird they know like I do like adventure so yeah this one's dead wrong like I thought mine I thought mine was accurate. What's yours? August 21st. I forget it though. You're Leo. Oh, yeah. What are you?

Duh. I know. Come on. I'm a Taurus. Oh, duh. Bye.