Call Her Daddy - Chace Crawford: Gossip Girl, House Parties & Dating Disasters

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

Join Alex in the studio for a fun and nostalgic interview with Chace Crawford. Chace talks about his childhood, going through an awkward phase (debatable), and what it was really like to work at Abercrombie in the early 2000’s. He then discusses all things Gossip Girl. Chace reflects on the audition process, his first time meeting Leighton Meester, and whether he ever hooked up with a co-star. He spills the tea on his time living in NYC with Ed Westwick, what their roommate dynamic was really like, and details the insane house parties they would throw together - he even reveals which iconic stars used to be on the guest list! Finally, Chace opens up about the current state of his love life, logging onto Raya for the first time, what he’s looking for in a partner and what his absolute deal breakers are. Enjoy!

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. though because you were just telling me downstairs that you kind of were a fan and like i need to hype myself i was listen i'm a little bit nervous right now because i'm so excited alex no i was telling you i'm like maybe i save it for the podcast but i'm an og daddy fan let's fucking go i'd be like you know i'd be like walking my dog i always listen to podcasts i was like who are these you guys are giving insane advice and it was amazing because you weren't giving like just this cliche rote advice to women you're like fuck it this is how we're seeing this is what's the guys were seeing in new york like or whatever right and i lived in new york obviously so but but yeah but you guys are like this is how we're seeing it this is the real stuff we're gonna give give out this is how you play it this is our advice this is what works for us and i thought it was the best thing i laughed i thought it was

amazing i would listen to like full full like oh my god oh so you've really i was entertained by the whole thing yeah i'm og i love your new stuff i love all the stuff oh you were all the way back in like the blowjob tips like you were yeah yeah exactly exactly all this stuff i couldn't turn it off i mean it's amazing it's just great you're like you're giving everyone that like the information that the world needs it's the hard-hitting facts i appreciate you sharing that also picturing you like walking your dog being like that was like the funniest shit in the og days when it was so graphic that people would be like my airpods got disconnected i'm at work and it's like you have to suck the living shit out and she's like

fucking she connects to bluetooth literally yeah literally i'll be walking my dog just very like thinking very like wow like oh Like, oh my God. What a great point. This is awesome. I'm really interested because every time I meet people, I have no idea what to expect. Like with you, I was interested to know, like, is he going to be extroverted? Is he going to be introverted? Like, would you say in your life you're an extroverted person? I'm weird.

I'm weird. I am. I'm both. I know that's like a lame answer, but like, it's a normal, I'm very much like I'm, I compartmentalize things. I can really like go out and like let loose and I'm very social and I can be loud and have fun. Yeah.

But I like my alone time. You know, I like, I like my own bed and like, I'm sort of a closet reader and a nerd and like my dog. I like, I like my alone time. So yeah. What kind of dog do you have? He's like a little rescue. He's like a little, they lied to us at the rescue place.

It was like, I share him with an ex-girlfriend girlfriend actually so you're one of those i'm one of those i'm one of those oh my chase i'm judging you so hard i know oh my god oh my god it's all about him though it's all about the dog no that's fucking bullshit wait that's like a full problem when you meet someone new and you have to be like this is like our child i know it's not even i mean she's got a fiance it's's not even like, I know. I don't think it's a weird thing at all. People think it's the funniest thing. I'm like, it actually is the only way to have a dog.

In fact, I met a cast member recently. She wanted a dog. I'm like, you want to get a dog together? I know how this goes. That is actually mentally insane. It's insane. So you have to see her constantly. You know, not as often as you think.

She does have a key to my house. And so a lot of times i know it's getting more listen it's not that big of a deal a lot of times i'll just like i flew out last week to go work in toronto i'm like hey shine his name's shiner uh after a texas beer very stupid uh i'm like shiner's in the house just go in there and take him and she just goes and picks him up i'm not even there but sometimes yeah we're still like friends and cordial it's great so you're imagine you're like in there on a date with the dog and she comes to pick it up and has the key like you just you have to describe that to new women like listen it's nothing other than just for the dog's

happiness like we share her right right i guess i'd never let that happen i guess i drop him off sometime she lives close by me and good to know whatnot what if a girl said like i can't do this unless you guys give up the dog? Oh, this is girls gone. I mean, this dog takes precedent. I think I might love that dog more than my future child. I'm not even kidding. I will, I will die for that dog. That's how it happens. They get you like that. They really, I get it. I get it. How would your friends describe you to like someone that they wanted to set you up with? Like, how are your friends describing you? I don't know. That's a very good

question. Uh, outgoing, funny, hopefully. Um, you know, I can, I, I like to think I can cook a little bit. Uh, but if they were being honest, I don't know, maybe, maybe, you know, he's a bad texter. Maybe I'm not that grumpy. Honest. being honest I'm not that great you know I think that's a good sign though I think if you treat a woman really well in person and then sometimes you're not a bad texter but you're open about it right like that's okay like Matt my partner is like my husband is like yes not he's not a good texter at all in the beginning days I was like does he fucking hate me yeah totally but now i know i like appreciate it that he's not on his phone 24 7 being one of those freaks like are you on your phone though 24 7 you're just not texting back i'm not no no i like to leave it it's always on vibrate i like to i still like to be always attached to it okay so

that's good but then i'll overthink i like a little anxiety i don't know what to do so sometimes i like for i literally forget to like form a response you know i gotta get back to that so i'll forget about it and it's terrible and i'm just that's kind of how i am i'm a little scattered with the texting but do you think that's your biggest red flag like you're just a bad texter what else what's another red flag i'd like to think i got green flags no i got let me think um you know my exes maybe in 20s, might say I'm bad at communicating. So that kind of ties in. But I've learned.

I've learned. You've gotten better. You've gotten better. Yeah, I'm like late 30s now. I've gotten better. So I'm more vulnerable. I'm good. We love a vulnerable man that can like tap into his emotions and his feelings.

Totally. What are you doing on a Saturday night with your friends? Oh, that's a good question. Usually, what did I do last weekend? Like my buddy, like this next Saturday, he does like six. He does these big like lunches at Jelena in Venice. Yeah, we all bring a bottle of wine in it, but it's like six hours. So he prefaced it with that. I was like, I don't know if I'm going to make it six hours.

And it went by like that. So we do this. We do these little like lunches with random different people. He's kind of in the food industry. So we kind of like have these interesting. you getting like annoyed when you're out like are you getting noticed all the time everywhere you go no no it depends i'm not like you know i'm not like dicaprio level where it's like this i kind of have a nice pocket where it's it's fun to get recognized for the gossip girl thing still yeah for sure which is like still been this like three different

waves of netflix i don't know how it keeps keeps coming around but it's the same age you know female is always like so excited so so i do get it sometimes in more touristy spots like venice or in new york or somewhere kind of there's more people from all over the place yeah but it's fun that you have like a good attitude about it because i can imagine like i've i've talked to people before on my show about like people that are have done so much in their career but there's this one thing that people are like we just can't get past it like for you it's Gossip Girl for like oh my god for other people it's like the OC like I know you've talked talking like Rachel Bilson like totally yeah it's like she's done so much in her career but there's the one thing that people like can we just talk about

this for 19 hours and it's like you can either just be positive about it or like fucking hate it. But like it's what made you super famous. Right. And it's kind of fun for all of us to like indulge a little bit. I mean, when you're young in your 20s, it's like you try everything so precious. I want to be like Marlon Brando. I was so annoyed by Gossip Girl. Right.

And like even the name. I hate it. Dude, it's like it's great. It's the greatest thing. Yeah. It's like it's this weird cultural thing of the zeitgeist of that time to like pre-instagram pre all these things like the first iphone had just come out like it was such a weird amazing time in new york it's fucking amazing when were you in new york i was in new york right i'm a like a little younger

so i was like yeah new york for me was just as crazy but like i had my fucking iphone and it wasn't as fun like i remember college more when i was watching gossip girl in like high school i was like obsessed with it because i grew up on the east coast i like knew the nature of new york city totally but i was not i'm what didn't come from like a wealthy family so like the con i was like with the fucking humphries i would have been down and like even the humphries are in this like loft space it's like a 20 million dollar like that's all bs like I was like with the fucking Humphreys, I would have been down in like even the Humphreys are in this like loft space. It's like a 20 million dollar. Like that's all BS.

That's like I can't afford shit. What the fuck? My first apartment in New York City was quite literally a shoebox. And I'm like, yeah, it's not looking so glamorous, but you still go out and you can still go to the similar places. That's what I love about New York is like, yeah yeah you can go to where dicaprio is or whoever the fuck and new york is cool like that where la is a little bit more snooty where it's like you can't get in here where new york it's like anyone can get in anywhere and they'll treat me like like it's it's kind of nice because everyone is like way too cool for school yes they don't

give a shit about anything at all i don't even like look at me i get the thing i'm like okay listen i mean get lakers tickets to save my life. Everyone wants it. But the Knicks, they would always give me Knicks tickets and Rangers, baby. So yeah, that was it. That's fucking amazing. Shout out to them. We're going to talk a little bit more obviously about Gossip Girl at some point, but I do want to talk to you about your childhood because obviously you're this, like you became this heartthrob.

Your life changed, I think around like 22-ish was Gossip Girl. Yeah, 21, 22. You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like before that, like how would you describe your childhood? It was interesting. I was born in Lubbock, small town, Texas. Not much going on out there.

I kind of woke up. I was in Oklahoma City. First memories, so random. Parents are from there. Dad's from there. My parents met there at a small, very small like religious college there. So Oklahoma City, very. And listen, my parents had me very small, like religious college there. So Oklahoma City, very endless.

My parents had me when they were like 20 and 21. So that's, you know, a very, very southern thing. Yeah. I mean, they were still growing up as we were. I can't imagine having like a 15 year old right now. So so they were young. My dad was in med school. What happened? We moved to Minnesota for four years for his med school.

And then we moved back to Texas when I was like nine or 10 years old in Dallas. I'm from Dallas, like North, North Dallas, a little bit suburbia, a little bit out there in the sticks, but more suburbia, you know? Yeah. Were you raised religious? Yeah. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. Were you? Oh my God. It was, it was tough. Cause obviously I can't imagine being from the South and being raised religious. Like I was raised Catholic every single Sunday going to church and I was from Pennsylvania. So it wasn't like probably as intense maybe as like adding on the South. But it was just confusing because I always felt more like pulled to the arts and like pulled to these things that just like weren't as traditional. Me too.

Right. And so you just kind of feel like a fucking weirdo and you feel like art naturally like pushes the boundaries on conversations right and when you're raised religious it's a little bit like what are you doing here like you're like coloring outside the lines and if you were raised in Los Angeles it's like go sweetie you're doing great so it's like it's just a matter of where you were raised like was it hard for you with like when did you know you wanted to get into the arts i was i was like an artistic kid actually i was always drawing and stuff i i never wanted to be an actor i had no idea about acting or any of it i know it's like that shitty story that's like no one wants to hear i'd like no that's good that's good yeah yeah like i was very naive about about the acting thing i just yeah when there was like

this like this, like this, like secular world, right. That's like, you know, even though I was sort of a bit policed on what music I was listening to and, you know, all these other things, it kind of makes you feel just claustrophobic in a way.

Right. I remember like always really wanting to just travel or just get out of the bubble and meet new people and go out and do that. But I was a pretty good drawer and like charcoal and like a little bit of painting when I was like, you know, like middle and like a little bit of painting when i was like you know like middle school i started kind of i'm not grabbing like i was good for like a sixth grader okay like good for like a good for like 100 kids in my grade okay i was like the best artist at like 100 kids in dallas right right no no but but uh so my parents did kind of like foster that a little bit they let me you know i went into like photography

classes and those are my favorite favorite stuff yeah so did you ever have an awkward face oh yeah totally oh my god i should yeah i wish i had a picture of me in like sixth grade with the abercrombie and the puka and like oh i'm talking full highlight cap like my mom highlighting my hair through the noodle cap but wasn't that like low-key hot at the time yeah i thought i mean we all thought so the puka shell was like if a guy was wearing a puka shell i'm like you were the fucking shit like you had confidence wait why were you awkward i just was awkward i wasn't good at talking to girls i had no idea like you know you think you think like one plus one equals two at that time

you like a girl they're supposed to like you back and when the first girl did not like me back at all i was like oh shit like i was like okay i guess i didn't even really come into my personality until like middle of high school i would say yeah i think that's kind of normal though i feel like boys either are just like so outgoing and loud and like kind of annoying as shit right there's like the little artsy guys that like blossom eventually i was a little bit more in that yeah yeah you know what i mean what were your friends like so i had some good friends i i they were kind of geeky you know outdoorsy you know like go-karts and bikes and and like just little like all you know outside doing you know sports with sports is a big like you know texas thing so like everyone it's gotten even worse like every weekend is like sports for kids.

And it's just this whole. And you didn't play football. I did, but not like, not like Friday Night Lights football. It wasn't like the Panthers. It wasn't like Riggins. I love Kitsch. He's a, he's a buddy. But you know, I, I actually, I actually auditioned for that, for that show and didn't, didn't

get the quarterback and I was devastated at the time. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. And you must've been like wanting that too, because being being from Texas that kind of went like a full circle fun moment oh devastated yeah I was like oh my god that's so bad but but it didn't it didn't work out so you didn't get it in real life and you didn't get an acting no yeah yeah scarred forever yeah yeah I was definitely not my dad was like you're not you're not gonna you're probably not gonna go

over six foot so let's um he was like let's maybe stick to golf and something easy yeah golf tell me about golf because i'm gonna be honest when i think back to high school and i think about the guys i'm i'm not you know i'm not gravitating toward the golfers however i feel like they figured no listen now in hindsight if i have a son one day i'm like get your fucking ass into golf right right those are the guys that like get the scholarships and are smart and have their life figured out and just like look put together where like the meatheads like god bless them but like where are they i know i mean you can keep you can keep playing golf touch your life and i'm not even like i feel like i it seems like i play in these little charity things that they invite me to and

like so i yeah so i'm like but I'm not that big of a golfer. I played growing up because there was, because I just wasn't going to be big enough for football. So that was sort of the impetus there. Can you imagine if you had gotten Friday Night Lights? That is interesting. It would have been totally different. Because the next year I got, I got the Gossip Girl things.

It would have been totally, totally different. Oh my God. Either like you playing football or you being like trust fund Mr. Swab in New York City? Yeah. I feel like that fit you well. Not that you could have done football. Okay. I want you to know I would have accepted that role too, but I think it was meant to be. It was meant to be. Okay. Wait. So you got denied by a girl. Did you ever go to prom? I did go to prom. Yeah. Yeah. How did you do a promposal? Come on. Oh my God. I actually ended up going. I i one of my best friends in high school was this girl alissa alissa weldon lover we called her woobie so we used to like go to prom together just because i

had i think i had a girlfriend from a different that's right a girlfriend from a different school and there was like a thing where the girls didn't want you it was just like if you you can't bring a girlfriend to school so i want to bring my friend woie. And we will be tore it up. Me and will be tore it up. Yeah. So that was it. Do you remember the first time you drank? Yeah, I do.

Actually, I do. I do. It was back of a Honda Prius. No, Mike's hard lemonade or no, it was a, it was a,

it was a grab bag. It was Mike's hard lemonade and Smirnoff. Let's say Smirnoff or something. But it was's Hard Lemonade and Smirnoff. I don't want to say Smirnoff. Smirnoff. Or like Zima or something like that. But it was Mike's Hard Lemonade and Smirnoff. I think I had one of each. Oh. But it was one of those things where you don't know if you're drunk and you don't know how

to act drunker than you are. I think I'm feeling great. You're like, try and do it. It's just water. We've talked with you. It's just water. Well, you're not even like fucking tipsy, but're like no guys things are really starting to feel different and like nothing is different we're just driving and it's like moving a little bit okay calm the fuck down

exactly wow okay so like you had like an okay experience because i feel like to say that you had that for your first drink like i was like going into my parents liquor cabinet and like grabbing like a disgusting brandy and like holding my nose and like vomiting back into the bottle and just trying to get like a couple steps you had a nice little mike's no no i had a bad moment with vanilla it was i think it was vanilla coke or vanilla sky it was like vanilla some vanilla flavored ruined it forever that'll do it that'll do it so that's your drink that was my bad moment it was like coke and some vanilla like vanilla coke something mixed with vodka bad night you can never now not drink that and think of that no it was great because then i just kind of would like i switched the beer as you want one dozen texas you switch to some beer so um abercrombie and fitch what the

fuck what the fuck like i was so awkward about you were an abercrombie and fitch boy no i worked there i actually i worked behind the counter i was like doing the numbers you still had to be hot you still had to be hot and cool. Like you still had to have a thing going. I think I lied about my age too because they're like, I thought it was like cool to be picked. Like would you work here? I was like, yeah, maybe. Maybe.

Like, yeah, give me an application. And I was like lying on the application. How? Okay. To all the Gen Z people that are listening that may have like no idea about the 2000s Abercrombie craze. Can you just describe what it was like to work there? You have no idea. First of all, okay, you get to the mall, you walk in,

you can smell that store from any entrance point in the mall, right? Woods Cologne. I can smell it and I can taste it right now thinking about it. It's kind of disgusting. They probably still have it. God. Yep. And then as I'm getting closer i can hear the same fucking mix that they've been playing on repeat for 48 hours i can like know this song and now i probably love every song on there but

like it's the same thing you get in there there's like greeters standing there sometimes shirtless back in the day i mean you were never one of those i was never one of those they tried to actually i had enough at least self-respect back then. They were like, I'm a math guy. Put me behind the register. So time went by way faster. I was not a greeter, but you get there, you might be introduced by some shirtless guys,

and there's all these photographs. There's those Bruce Weber black and white photographs. Those were kind of the iconic thing that made it so. at the time that was very like racy and like oh it was like you know because we got like a little bit of penis lines going with on like the boy's side and like the girl's side was like these abs and i was like i literally don't even have tits right now they're like 25 years old right completely completely not like high school kids and the smell i was thinking about it though like hollister was 10 times worse because you had to walk in there with a flashlight they turned all the lights off and it was like a

madhouse like and you're literally like grabbing clothes and you're just checking out it was awful yeah it was terrible yeah i worked at both i worked at hollister too for a summer it was terrible it was awful it was awful jace you had you are like that guy the guy that just like worked at abercrombie and hollister yeah i know i kind of love it though yeah it was cool back then embarrassing it was it was cool yeah it was cool it's not it's not embarrassing it's cool it's cool because back at the in the day like i feel like half the time i would walk in that store and that was like maybe my sexual awakening being like whoa like these boys are like so gorgeous again like you said 25 year old men um and it was I think it was like a whole experience that back in the day like that was the

coolest thing going now we don't even have malls anymore no there's no malls the Bev Center is great it's empty it's like kind of nice you can walk my dog it's kind of nice in there it is a ghost town so okay we're talking about G girl again okay okay the audition process i think it's fascinating to think about like you obviously don't get friday night lights and then you go for this like what does that even entail like how long was it did you even know what the show really was gonna be like no i had no idea i mean i like a lot of kids why i watch I grew up in the OC in high school and into my college the best uh in my college year was the best show loved it but it was weird I I went in there it was like a process of like a six six hoops to jump through it was

actually kind of a wild process but I knew that Josh and Stephanie did the OC they're phenomenal and I knew it could have this potential to be cool and I'm like oh they're definitely gonna change the name that name's never gonna stick you know it's based on these books whatever but i went in and then right away uh if i remember correct i wore like my most new yorkie jacket possible like my preppiest you know whatever i'm obsessed and uh but at the same time i was a little bit like again i'm like younger i was a little like eye roll like this is kind of not beneath me but i want to i wanted friday night live yeah right yeah so i'm like younger. I was a little like eye roll. Like this is kind of not beneath me, but I wanted Friday Night Live. Yeah.

So I kind of went in there with like a very kind of blasé, like whatever, which probably worked in my favor as those things kind of do. But they wanted to do like a test, you know, thing right away, which I thought, great. There's going to be like one more audition or whatever. But then it was like back with producers and then like producers and director and then it was like it's different it's all different now now you now it's all self tapes and you just kind of put yourself out there right you know but but back then it was like it was cw so it was cbs and warner brothers who had to go to like the top of like the

warner brothers building and i remember one of the final maybe fourth or fifth times i like walking in this big like 40 row conference room you know and i think i tested with a few actresses few girls for like blair or whatever and i remember thinking like i'm like god that's a really great part like she's got some great chunks of dialogue it's like funny and you know no no they didn't really i was like that's i just don't really see with these girls and i got this big conference room and there was just this one girl kind of sitting with their back turned i walked all around like hi nice to meet you and it was like late and turned around and before she even said i'm like that's she's like so perfect she was like hi nice to meet you like that's the girl so we both were like super nervous and we had to like go in and test

it's silly it was like a theater seating dark room one stool like lights and it was like you go in and it's like the silliest scenes ever you're doing like in front of like all these people i'm like talking about nathaniel's paxil and all this stupid stuff oh and so uh anyway so i i did that i was like i don't know if it went well and i guess i got the call so i got it so that is i love also how you just like knew layton also she was so fucking perfect for that part like no one else could have had the headband on the audition she flipped around like and i think i'm in love with you literally you're like

i love you and then america was like i love you too yeah yeah yeah did you always know you were going in for nate yeah always for nate yeah i think they they switched around some of the roles kind of like the play i remember going into and reading with Blake and a few other guys. They were trying to fit the pen to the Dan role. So, yeah. I think it's just so fascinating because I've heard some people go in for someone and they get switched. But, like, when I think of Nate, your character, like, had a very different upbringing than, like, what you were used to. Like, when you first started filming, could you relate to anything about this person

no like nothing no absolutely nothing i had no idea i didn't really know any northeastern people i had no idea like the whole thing i was it was all new to me did you have an accent money i had i had a like a subtle i kind of lost it in california when i went to college for like four years but like i get drunk i have a little accent yeah but but i had uh i did think about that though i'm like how do these you know what is that new york thing you know what is that preppy thing right uh because you went to pepperdine for one year i did yeah for about a year and a half yeah exactly did your family think you were losing your mind that you dropped out kind of i mean they like i i i kind of freaked out i didn't know what i wanted to do with my life i kind of had a freak

out moment and just they were supportive i graduated high school a bit younger i was like 17 so they were like take a year off like do whatever and of course i found this acting class i'm like i want to be an actor so you know but they they were somehow supportive they shockingly because i didn't think they would be right my dad being a doctor and whatnot so i was gonna say because i remember pepperdine when i was picking schools i remember looking it up because i was like so fascinated with california and i look up pepperdine i'm like this looks like the most magical place on earth yeah and then i was reading and my mom was like sweetie you can't drink if you go to the school why am i bringing that up to you i don't know didn't know that by the way till i got there i didn't know how strict it was we got there i'm like guess i'm joining a

fraternity which i didn't necessarily want to do yeah, that is like notoriously one of the strictest schools. Like you can't drink. Oh, yeah. You can't have co-ed. Past like 11 o'clock p.m. You can't have any girl in your room. Vice versa. Yeah.

Did you do anything that like broke the rules your freshman year? Oh, yeah, we did. Yeah. Quite a bit. Somehow. Yeah. We could have got in a lot of trouble, actually. I think we like skinny dipped in like the president's like pool or something crazy while

he was not there like something crazy yeah yeah yeah yeah so you had a good time story i love it we had a good time yeah yeah they're not gonna invite you back no that was a one-time thing but it was like we kind of like found like i met some really actually three of my best friends they end up all being from texas and they were like from austin and one was from like amarillo texas and somehow we became like instant good friends yeah yeah so uh it's so fascinating to think about you in college doing one year and then dropping out and going to Gossip Girl do you think that like anyone in your hometown was surprised to see that success or was everyone like oh guaranteed they were so all everyone was probably super

left field surprise really yeah yeah yeah they had no clue you'd be doing that. No, I never wanted to be an actor. And I also wasn't that guy. I wasn't like Johnny, like, you know, heartthrob on the TV show. I just wasn't. Right. I mean, I was a late bloomer. By the time I was 21, I kind of started to come more into my own, right?

Have, you know, real confidence. Confidence. Did you have like random people reach out? I feel like all those people start kind of like crawling. No, yeah I mean like you probably speak that like yeah he's like it's weird like certain things happen people act weird around that kind of stuff you're like wait a second we did go to high school together and you never talked to me why are you texting me yeah how do you actually have my number yeah there was that a little bit actually isn't that weird yeah it was weird it was weird yeah when did it get like really big after season one it kind of just popped right i remember the fall of 2007 like right when it started airing

it became big like right away yeah it was really insane do you have a moment that you remember that you were like oh my god my life has forever changed? I don't really, I guess there wasn't that one moment. There was me and Ed Westwick, who played Chuck on the show. Yes. You know, he was like an 18-year-old kid from outside of London. He thought he was like Pete Doherty, right? Love, obsessed. And we, I'm from Texas, I was just in college.

I didn't know how expensive New York is. It was insane. I'm like, my dad had to give us the't know how expensive New York is It was insane I'm like My dad had to like Give us the Like security deposit In first month And last month's rent Until we got our first paycheck

It was like hilarious So I'm like I'm like Ed You want to like Room together Like this is crazy Like this rent I'm looking at this

He's like oh yeah sure man You know he had no idea And I And we had And like first summer We like moving in July Like probably just turned 21 or 22. And we were at the Summer Series in Central Park.

I don't know if you remember any of that. But they had big concerts out there. And it was like the Black Keys, Arctic Monkeys. I might be dating myself. But it was awesome. It was awesome. Suns out, beers. And the show hadn't even come out.

We'd shot the pilot. We just moved there. And we were having a blast. Just him and I just exploring the city. And these girls did come up to us. And it kind of freaked us out a little bit because we didn't know and he kind of looked at me he's like i think we're fucked mate he's like show hasn't even come out yet man he's like this whole thing and uh that was that that moment is pretty crystallized in my mind because it was all like the black keys were playing it was just like you're just being

like normal dudes like sitting chilling and then it's like hello that was the very first time i think anyone ever asked for any type of picture so that was that i do remember that as being like a defining like oh interesting that's a weird feeling as it like really started to pop off like how did you initially handle that like fame and attention not well actually not well it kind of made me paranoid to be honest like slightly i don't want to say it was like this terrible thing it was no but it was fun it was fun but like you said people come out of the woodwork like think people start acting weird around fame and you start realizing all these things that you can only realize from that sea

yeah um but i mean i don't want to act like it was this thing. It was, we had a blast. For me, it was all about having fun. Like I had so much fun, but it was, you just are always kind of like, you can't like, you kind of aren't present all the time. You kind of just kind of like unwary about people or phones like a little bit, like not, you know. I think that's okay to say, like, and I get what you're saying. Like, that doesn't mean you're not so grateful for everything that came. Right.

But it's like a very odd experience as a human being to be like oh all those people are staring at me right now and watching me and they know who i am and i have no idea who these people are they think they know you right like you're like i'm not nate archibald as much as you want me to be i am not my name is chase i'm from texas yeah yeah yeah and new york's interesting because it's like all you get all these influx of people and tourists and you're not only you're you're that character in that city so it's like mickey mouse and disneyland they all want to see like take a photo with like mickeys you feel like they just come up and hug you and it's like you're in this costume wait that's so weird can we talk about that for a minute because i didn't even think about that most shows that are like even movies if they're like set in

New York spoiler they're not fucking shot in New York most of them are shot in Canada Toronto Toronto yes and you guys actually were living breathing filming shooting in New York City the show was set in New York City so like you're walking then to get breakfast and you're not working but you're like walking wherever you're walking and someone sees you like, were people calling you Nate on the street? All the time. That was it. That was always, it was always the character's name.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. And also fun. But like, it was, it blurs the lines a lot, you know? And, and, uh, it was just weird. It was like a really weird, like if we were shooting exactly in Toronto, it's a different

thing, but people are visiting New York and it was its own character in the show, you know, and people are like, you know, fans of the show. And when they see you actually in that environment, it's like this whole like their mind is blown, you know. So it was a doubly interesting thing. And it's also weird to be in New York City as you like. I think it's interesting because I just asked you at the beginning of this like, oh, could you relate to anything? You're from Texas, this character. And you're like, no. And then all of a sudden you went from not being able to relate to anything about this character to like you almost were becoming a part of this character was getting.

Yeah, I was right like that. Yeah. Yeah. Like I live in New York City. I am getting paparazzi. People want to know who I'm dating. And so I started off being like, I can't relate to this fucking kid at all and now it's like yeah yeah and I think it was like like Perez Hilton or whatever the gossip girly thing was at that time was really I always thought it was like funny

stuff but it was the same thing happening you know what I mean and and I thought I wouldn't even like New York I visited in like high school and of course we went to all the touristy awful spots and I was there for a month I'm like oh god I love this fucking love this but that's the thing about New York don't you feel like when you visit New York it's so overwhelming you get sent to the touristy spots where you're like Times Square and it's like all the places that if you live there you would never go right then when you live there you like find the pockets and you're like this is the best place this is the best place ever yeah we kind of had the keys to the city and it's like your twenties in New York, as you know, it's just, there's nothing better.

So it was like, it was so great. So you're friends with Ed. You guys live together. Like I'm obsessed that you guys were roommates. I didn't know that until I was like doing research for this where I'm like, I didn't know you guys fucking live together. That's epic. What was Ed's best and worst quality as a roommate?

Oh God. What was Ed's best and worst quality as a roommate? Oh God. He had a lot of bad ones. Let me tell you that much. We lived in this little apartment. I think it was like a, they call it like a junior one where there was like a real bedroom. Right.

And then there was like an office you could put in a closed wall. And I was like, we'll just switch. Like, and I'll pay a little bit more. Of course we never switched. And I'm glad we did

because Ed's room was like, you know, it was like a lunch pail with like overflowing cigarettes and like i mean you thought like the joker lived there it was insane i'm not even kidding i shouldn't be calling him out like this but i love it i love it but he's 8 19 i'm 21 like you know and and uh he was just messy i'm a little oc i mean i'm not ocd i'm like a little bit on that side of like i need things put in the right place and stuff so oh so him he's literally like an ashtray walking around you're like clean up clean up clean up like shoving the stuff in his room shoving the door and like and then it was like and he's you know at the time like ripping cigs i was

like stop that you know so that was probably i didn't like the cigs but we had an absolute blast in that place we had like a roof dot roof deck yeah we have to go down the elevator and to the thing but no one was ever up there on like 26th and 10th or 11th and and uh six and ten what is that like it was just like it's not midtown built chelsea i guess technically yeah yeah yeah but it was kind of close to the water had the like this amazing view on this roof deck and we just called it roof deck and he would like invite a bunch of people we bring a bow speaker and some like you know big balavaka whatever and just like have like a party up there all the time okay first of all to think about the two of you throwing a party yeah on your roof deck yeah what was the difference between chase and ed's parties versus nate and chuck's parties

not much except the money involved we didn't put much money behind ours you know we weren't making quite that you know i know i ended up being like the president of the world at the end of the show but it was ridiculous and he was owning hotel chains but uh his was very much skewed more like like british underground rock scene you know and i had like like the beers going and but they did turn out to be pretty like fun kind of well-known parties like people would like show up from all over the place and like wait all the city i mean is it true that you lived in the same building as the chain smokers oh it's a great story yeah no next door actually jessica zorro i love the death she's getting married in august

and i can't wait to see her she played vanessa on the show and we'd all all hang out and then she'd be like guys and and she she's in 555 we were like 535 so it was she was literally we were next door and she'd always be like my my uh my my roommate my this guy down the hall like play alex like plays what is this accent you're doing i'm trying to a wisconsin accent it's terrible it's terrible wait is she the one you have the dog with she's from wisconsin no no This guy down the hall, like, Alex, like, plays like – What is this accent you're doing? I'm trying to do a Wisconsin accent. It's terrible. It's terrible. It's really bad. Wait, is she the one you have the dog with?

She's from Wisconsin. No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, my God. I was like, this is too full circle. No, no. We've all been, like, great friends. This is your Wisconsin? Do that again.

No, she's, like, from Wisconsin. It's terrible. I can't do it. Wisconsin. Do it. Do it. She's like, guys, my friend Alex is playing oh my god he's like a DJ

and then it's terrible she's literally gonna call you and be like why did you why did you act like I speak like that on that show

I love her too I'm obsessed but she'd be like yo and it was like three in the morning I mean you know New York goes very late so we'd be out

she'd be like come back over we're gonna go to Alex's house apartment it was like a little tiny apartment yeah yeah yeah and it was Alex from chain smokers and he would he just liked playing he's the best I still see him out and about and we would just sit there and rip and like just like chop it up talking and he's like DJing playing music and uh yeah what a small world that's crazy to think that like you guys as like young guys and because

they weren't even formed yet were they no they weren't they weren't uh because he hadn't met drew yet exactly he hadn't met true yet that's right so i think there was someone else involved but he hadn't met drew and our mutual friend with with jessica was this guy will malnati's still my best friend i met him through her but he worked in nightclubs kind of or hospitality right so alex was like hey can you get me into these places and he did well i hooked him up and got him into these like nightclubs to dj and stuff like that so they're the best yeah yeah they're so fun i had them on and i was like that's right you did have them on yes i won't ask if you and um ed have had a threesome together but i did ask them that what'd they say what was their answer absolutely they literally go uh which which one and we were And we were like, I was like, what? And they're like, which time? And I was like,

I don't know. Tell me about them all. And Alex at the time was like, stop Drew. And Drew was like, okay. So the first time I'm like, oh my God. Okay. This is quite fun. Um, who would you guys invite to these parties? Because at the time where you like hanging out with industry people were you meeting like chicks at like nyu um sometimes yeah like so i i don't know exactly who would we bring up there we'd bring good friends but then sometimes they'd get really out of hand and it'd be like you know like it'd be insane i remember one time i went this is very like a 2000 early 2000 story but like we would have you know it got a lot of hand but that but the doorman loved us and they would like kind of let us do anything they would just say like do this or that don't do that uh and so he called i think a doorman called me he's like

yo there's you gotta come down there's some commotion going on down here and i'm like what's going on and i go down the elevator and you could see you could see like all the way down and there was just floor to ceiling windows at the front of the building. Right. And I look and it was like Lindsay Lohan and Sam Ronson. They were dating at the time. It's very 2000. We're like walking down and there was just a wall of photographers in the

window. I was like, Whoa, we made it. Did they ever come up? Of course they came up and it was great. And I think we'd met before kind of, and they're amazing.

Like Sam's great. And I haven't seen them in ages, but like they came up and it was great. And I think we had met before kind of, and they're amazing. Like Sam's great. I'm obsessed. And I haven't seen them in ages, but like they came up and it was like a very early 2000s. These are the details we needed, Chase. Yeah, these are stories I haven't ever told. And then, and then, and then we like, you know, raged up there. Did Paris ever come to a party? She did not, but I saw, I saw Paris recently actually. Really?

I did at this fancy, some Oscar thing. She said, hey, I went up to her and said, hey. I'm like, you remember the first time we ever met, right? She was like, I think she said, I think so. I was in college. I hadn't done anything yet acting-wise, but I was living. I just moved to LA. My sister was

in town with a buddy and we were at like Teddy's that nightclub back in the day which was like the best and I was like we and like you were so nice to us you hung out there's invited us to your birthday party and we all went and it was amazing and she was like no way I'm like yes she's literally like I don't remember this at all she doesn't remember any of it she I think she acted like this she's amazing and so I always we always say what's up when I see her. But that was like my other early 2000s story. I'm obsessed because Paris is like the nicest fucking human. The nicest.

When you meet her, you're like, oh my God, you're even better in person. She's lovely. But I love how for Paris, that probably meant nothing at the time to her. She's got Leo at her parties and she's got everyone. And she's like, oh my God. And and meanwhile you're like my life is made yeah my sister was in like college i was like barely out of college i'm like are you fucking kidding me she invites us to her birthday but she's being so nice i'm like yeah we'll go it was great at her house it was a blast like it was really really cool like that is fucking epic 2005 or 6 probably who knows did any of your rooftop

parties ever get shut down they never did actually they never did there was no one really like the noise didn't travel because it was so that's the that's you being having it in with like the doorman yeah yeah yeah but no one ever used it either like it was really wild i don't know how we got to have a rooftop yeah and to have a one junior suite thing that's like a one bedroom, that's pretty insane. That's a great little gig. It's a great deal for me. I got the main room. Sorry, Ed.

Okay, what would he say your worst quality as a roommate is? Oh, I don't know what he would say. What would he say my worst quality would be uh probably probably falling asleep so easily when we're when he was like trying to tell a story we'd be watching like just like cds of entourage just playing and he was like look at that i'll be like passed out but like i don't know what my worst quality was i was a great i'm a great roommate i'll never have another roommate so help me god i need to have ed on now and he watch him be like come with a list yeah yeah number one no it seems like if you're the one that's like cleaner like you're maybe he'd be like he was annoying as shit he was constantly cleaning my shit like leave my shit alone yeah

when i when i had to like move out i think he was like heartbroken i think he was a little bit mad at me actually built and made after like two years i'm like all right buddy like i need my own we're successful the show's gone we gotta like just have our own place and he stayed in that place and like knocked the wall down and like made it his own he did yeah with like an axe he like knocked his little wall down it was very dramatic yeah wait were you like are you insane that you're staying uh a little bit yeah yeah actually yeah bro we got the paycheck like we got the thing yeah it was like two two. We had two good years, right? Look, let's go.

Okay, have you ever hooking up with a co-star? Oh, God. It's just such a night. You just did it so, you know. And then you go for the water so casually, acting like I'm going to forget what I just asked, hoping I'll go on to a next question. Listen, I would say those things are

inevitable uh you know when you're in your 20s like or whatever could be for anything like workplace but but you know the thing is the thing is you're on these things it's not like people would probably think it's like these sexy scenes or whatever that kind of it's like that's like the worst part of it it's like 60 people watching it's like the sexy scenes or whatever. That's like the worst part of it. It's like 60 people watching. It's like the downtime. You're doing this show. You're on set for like 12, 14 hours a day. And usually there's some pretty interesting people from all walks of life.

The danger is if you connect right away with a sense of humor, at least for me, if you have a rapport and can kind of banter and give each other shit. Yeah. For me, I'm like, ooh, I got to like watch out. Watch it. For myself because I'm like I'm going to like start, you know. Liking them. Yeah.

Well, and I bet it's like, yeah, that's a good point. You're spending so much time with these people that obviously the minute if you're like emotionally connecting with someone, that can be your person like while you're like sitting in between scenes. Like you start to just get closer and then naturally – okay, so you're going gonna leave it to all of us to guess who it was i can't i mean listen i've done like other shows and stuff but yeah you know it's oh yeah but like i love how you had to take a pause take a sip of water and you got really centered with yourself and then you like made eye contact with me and you gave me the most perfect pr answer like sometimes when things get heated and the emotions are there it's inevitable but you know we've all moved on no it's fine it's fine um did you ever know if co-stars at the time

were like hooking up and then you like kept their secret for them yeah absolutely yeah absolutely and by the way there's a lot of like actors and people coming on to the show so they're like over the years and then i had i was fortunate enough to have like friends in the city there were actors but they were outside the show and i had a really good like friend group and then like they everyone else has their little friend group and so you know you meet people in those in that wider circle it's not just like you know that tiny little like circle everyone's like putting a map together like so you know it's a lot of people involved uh but you know again it was like our college experience you know exactly one year at Pepperdine three years at Gossip Girl University can I ask though if you weren't dating let's say someone in your cast

what was your dating life like during gossip girl because now you're famous people know you you're in a city yeah what was it like it was I mean in the sense of like dating life it was kind of non-existent I didn't really like I was never like doing the well I never like doing like the interview like sit down like going on dates it was like I was meeting a lot of people out all the time um and it was very uh like it was very much like meet and meet people through your friends and and like for me i guess it was i don't know i guess it was experience based like you kind of do something or you go off and and meet people through through a crazy experience i would kind of connect with them

and then and then we would we would date and you're so young. Being 22, 23 in New York City, at that point, I'm assuming you were not looking for a relationship. You're having fun. You're meeting people. You're hooking up. You're going to work. You're starting to make your first real paycheck. Fun. Yeah, yeah. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, we had a lot of fun. And in high school, I had one girlfriend and it was very like kind of that thing. And so I was kind of, you know, wanted to get out there. Fun. So. OK, how did you feel when we found out that Dan was fucking Gossip Girl? I felt happy that it wasn't me. I was just really happy that it wasn't Nate, because then they told me they were probably they were thinking about why would even be me? I'm like, your character was like to like laissez faire, like you wouldn't have time to get on your computer and type away.

No, yeah. He's in politics now. He's a senator now, right? Yeah, he's a 26-year-old senator. Yeah, I kind of always thought of Nate as just kind of like go with the flow. Although I hate when you hooked up with that older woman. I didn't like that era. I didn't love that.

But I liked when you and Serena were together. Yeah, yeah. The white party. The kiss to make everyone jealous. Yeah, yeah. See, you're a fan. I love it. Okay, okay you know you don't even want to know how much of a fan i am when it ends i think i've talked a lot about with people when they're actors of like understandably there's this fan base that is like don't you fucking dare say you weren't sad to see it end but most people are like i gotta move on with my fucking life it's time to go like right how did you feel when it all was ending were you like let's fucking go i uh or tears i had i went through like a major depression i feel like looking back not really but i i it i wasn't i wasn't like prepared for

it to end i guess i thought i was but but it was more like new york it was it's your family it's like you wake up and you and even the drivers like you you know what i mean it's like the hair makeup girls like they're they're awesome and that's your whole day that's like your whole identity like now it's like a young i was ready for it to be done but um i mean me and ed would talk about all the time it's like this is the greatest job we'll ever have because it was so it was easy it was an easy thing it was fun and we would laugh about that. But more, I was just mad.

I had to like, I was like, I guess I got to go back to LA. And like, you know. You're like, I really liked it in New York here. I liked it in New York. I should have stayed for a little bit, actually. Why didn't you? I don't know. In hindsight, with real estate, I should have just bought in a place and like kept it. Like, what was I thinking?

You should have gone back and gotten the place that Ed had been renting out. And like, bought a whole floor and renovated the whole thing fumigated the whole thing yeah uh but you went back to la i went back to la yes yes and had to you know so talk to me about your state of depression i can imagine it's like kind of an identity crisis right it was yeah it was an identity crisis it was just a weird it was a weird thing it was it didn't last very long but it was like a few months of like it was just a daunting thing of like there's no auditions now and like going back and how do i and you're putting a box a little bit you know what i mean you're kind of the guy that a cw show who looks a certain way it's it's definitely uh like okay i gotta i gotta

find something to kind of break out of that so there was there was that yeah and i feel like also i mean wait how long was Gossip Girl? How many years? Six years. About six years. That's like a long ass time to be in something like at what, like towards the end of the last year, you guys knew it was ending, right? Yeah. Yeah.

We knew. Yeah. But you still have to start to, it doesn't probably feel real until it's over. And it's almost like a college experience plus more to be with people. And then like, do you keep in touch with anyone kind of you know how it goes i mean yeah like i yeah we're on text sometimes and like you make loose plans and then yeah penn texted me out of the blue the other day actually because he was shooting i think his final season of you in our old our old sound stages so he was like texting

me we're kind of like catching up and uh that's sweet so i'll see pen every now and again and layton in town and you know blake's like i think in westchester we'll text sometimes actually and i saw ed in in europe recently kind of that's awesome so that's awesome so yeah yeah but it was more it was like the material i was really ready to move on to different material yeah in a different role but like new york i guess i wasn't really ready to leave new york do you think you'd ever go back i'm too old i mean i i i think the way to do it is to have one in both i know fuck good place there at all i i have thought about it but yeah it's weird because like you're right you hit a certain point where like new york is so beautiful when you're in your 20s and it's even when i look back like i had the like this shitty ass apartment where

there were like fucking rats and i had really i had the ed room where like my two roommates got to have like the normal rooms and then we like there was like a built wall for me and i'm like just putting a mattress and i could barely fit and it was some of the best years of my life totally but now when i think about going back to new york like I like like a backyard and like being relaxed and like not having to like walk outside and get like hit in the head and like push to the ground and like screaming people I'm like yeah I like to go for a trip and then get the fuck out totally yes and the winters are kind of brutal right I like my car I might like to go to the grocery store with my dog and like cook and have space and yes the dog spoiled with the sun now too the ex

girlfriend with the dog still not over that now too the ex-girlfriend with the dog still not over that let's talk about your love life yeah are you in a relationship no it's a dumpster fire out it's all dumpster fire what's going on what is your type 2024 it's just this is things times are tough out there it is fucking tough it is It is tough. Okay. What's going on? You're very single. Are you going on any dates? What are we doing? I joined Raya like a week ago.

How's it going? Terribly. It's really, no, it's scary. I, I, I actually like it.

I actually, I actually enjoy it. I, Oh really? No, I actually enjoy it because like people, everyone told me not to do it. And so I had like,

I think I had a few drinks on one night. I'm like, I'm doing it. And I just did it. I'm like, this is great uh i haven't been on one day no don't don't get me wrong i'm like haven't engaged at all i'm a total creeper face like figuring this thing out what is this thing it's uh have you done it any of the apps oh my god yes i was on raya but the problem for like a lot of i feel like the women is like the guys are very. I don't know, like a lot of them are DJs.

OK, I don't I'm not looking for like I wasn't looking for a spin the beats guy. Right. A lot of them like lived in Australia or it would be like UK. And I'm like, can I set my settings closer? Like i don't want to go on my first date across the fucking world yes it was a little bit of like a proximity thing a little bit of like a intimidation thing too because like the other dating apps is like oh this is like a nice normal person this is like who are you and like what do you do for a living and like everyone's net worth and you're like i'm just it's overwhelming yes so i could see why you like have a hard time getting off the app for that yeah yeah yeah i know it's definitely weird and i definitely have no like i'm just it's overwhelming yes so i could see why you like have a hard time getting off the app for that yeah yeah yeah no it's definitely weird and i definitely have no

expectation i'm not like i don't even know really what i want i'm just trying to you know it's just like another avenue to maybe meet somebody right but yeah the only connection i've had is like oh cool oh indonesia like what yeah okay great what am i we're gonna go to bali never okay weird i remember there was this one guy that i remember i like randomly matched with and i think he was on like he was a he you know he was on what was it called oh vampire diaries and i remember being like i'm a big fan of vampire diaries and so i'm like oh and it's like he's shooting in toronto and i was like well i live in new york city close by. But you're still like, am I getting on a plane to see this man? Yes.

No. Yes. No. You're like, yeah. No. Maybe. But yeah, barrier to entry. I'm like, you ever in New York?

He's like, you ever in Toronto? I'm like, no. Unmatch. Bye. But I'll watch next season. Yeah. Great talking to you. It sucks.

It sucks. You're going to figure it out. I know you're going to figure it out. Do you consider yourself a romantic? I do a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,. Do you consider yourself a romantic? I do a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what would you consider romantic?

I think someone that like when you're in a relationship, you're like very like you like to set it up for this like very romantic setting of like you're not just like do like walking through the process. It's like candles and roses and you want to like make time together and you're very like, don't know sweet and cute and yeah i think i think i think just say yes so i am i'm not canada i like to cook so i do like to cook for okay that's romantic i like to and i'm a home buddy so i like to when i'm in and i do i really do like to focus and like do the thing and like be very thoughtful i feel like i'm a thoughtful person so yeah how are your first dates are you good at first dates? Bad at first dates? I feel like I'm okay.

Okay. I mean, I mean, everyone, they're awful though, right? But, but it's like,

I, you have generally met people through friends of friends or through kind of indirect ways. Yep. So the first, the first dates are always like interview process campaigning, you know what I mean? So,

but you, when you know, you know, kind of like right away, I can still get through a first date. That's you don't you know it's like okay we're gonna be friends maybe but that's a good point i feel like first dates you know that you like the person if it feels less like an interview and you're like oh we're making like headway like no first date is gonna be like this is like the fucking best thing ever like i would hope there's

room to grow and get better right some first dates you're like 10 minutes in and I'm like, I gotta fucking go. Yeah, and then it becomes, I've definitely been awkward on first dates. Do you just say the whole time? Yeah, you know, you can't, what are you gonna do, ghost out the back? I was like, oh, I left my keys.

No, that would be fucked. And then someone would like write online about you being like, he's the biggest fucking douche. Like what the fuck? If people do that though, I've had friend buddies that like girls have done that. Well, because a part of it is like, you could be respectful and being like, he's the biggest fucking douche. Like, what the fuck? If people do that though, I've had friend buddies that like girls have done that. Yeah. Well, because a part of it is like,

you could be respectful and be like, I literally, I know this is not right. Let's just like not waste each other's time. But some people would be like, you fucking piece of shit. Yeah.

Fuck you. And then you're like, oh, I don't want to be a dick. Yeah. Have you been in love before? Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, how many times?

That's a good question. at least two at least two because have you had those where you're like was that love or it was love in the moment but now that i've grown up maybe you like redefine it a little bit right one was pretty instantaneous and then another one was over time over time so i've kind of experienced both and i don't really subscribe to the idea that there's like one soulmate for you i think there's a handful maybe uh however you want to but it's definitely once in a blue moon that you meet very rarely you're going to meet someone that you really connect with and what you do with that you know is is a timing thing and then maybe you know it can it can work out or it doesn't um but we all have those things that might not have closure

you know what i mean and that's okay so you don't have to have like closure but there's those open-ended things you think like maybe if i'd been more evolved or like i'd been like five five years older or a different place in my life there's a few times where i definitely not regret but i'm like i wish i'd been a different place in my life that is interesting where you like oh that's such a good point where you like look back at it and you recognize who you were compared to who you are in the reflection stage where you're like oh my god imagine how different i would have been even if i was me in that relationship now right probably would have been fucking prospering and happy amazing yeah i could have had it all yeah it's like picky blinders no but but but yeah i've like been and i'm like god i was such a i was such a head case back then i

couldn't have like just like not been an asshole you know what i was doing my own stuff like i was just you know you know whatever you call it mental health stuff it was just like i was in a bad place and not dealing with it yeah you know what i mean? I was like, like just, just avoiding. Oh, and that's a really interesting topic because that means you're growing, obviously. Right. But I think that when you have your own shit going on,

there's no fucking way that you can be like 100% present for a partner. That's hard to do even when you're in a fucking healthy relationship. Of course. Exactly.

Like when I moved back from New York and I was in that kind of funk, I met a girl who was like, incredible and went on to be very, very successful. But is that the one with the dog? No, I'm trying to figure out who the fuck is the one with the dog. So I worked with on a it was a bad TV show, but it was like in 2015, maybe or something.

OK, so we're still good friends. She's great. She's very great. Shout out. Yeah. And we both travels. We both have to do with the dog. I'm defending myself. No, it's OK deal with the dog. I'm defending myself.

No, it's okay. It's okay. I'm just fascinated. Like, oh, how would that work? It works. It can work. I'm telling you. Oh, man. But so you kind of fell for a girl after that weird moment.

And then it just didn't work because you weren't in a good headspace. I wasn't in a good space. And I just kind of let it slide. I let it kind of float away. And she was like, we'd be in town and reaching out. kind of had it you know hooked I had a thing in New York when we're both there and then and then um yeah I just I think about some of those things like if I just been in a different you can't help that though you're you're you're you get what you get and it's a time thing and it's just life but I do think about those of course kind of missed moments

from time to time but I think it also allows you like into going into this next chapter of like whoever you're gonna find like that allows you then to like reflect and be like i know i'm not gonna do that i'm gonna be more present like whatever you know you fucked up on then you take that and like move on no totally yes how long has been your like longest relationship about three four years okay probably yeah yeah what are the top like three qualities right now that you'd be saying you're like looking in for a partner we can put this on your riot profile too like just clip this and put this very sparse my ride profile i think i think every photo is cut like cut off like i'm like eyeball like i'm like i'm not screwing with it i don't even care

i'm like whatever you know what i mean right just like picture of dog, dog, dog, half face. It's out there in the world. It is. No, it is. It's half my dog's face and half my face in one shot. Yeah. It's great. Right, because you're hoping they won't fully notice you and then they just click.

So like the dog is nice or something and it's not like – I get it. I get it. It's not a signed head shot or anything. Right, right, right. But no, things I look for, guess i guess for me i do i am like a closet reader and like kind of a nerd i do like to be able to have like kind of you know in you know in-depth conversation uh sense of humor is kind of a big one for me like and you know and that's kind of an umbrella thing right that if if they have that wit and you kind of

have that back and forth and that weird that weird connection you know where you can make each other laugh yeah and that's an umbrella like personality wit intelligence thing it's like if that that's kind of the number one thing yeah you know do you care if they're in the industry i'd prefer not actually at this stage in my life right yeah i mean i think it's that's part of the reason i was like, my, I saw my buddies on dates with these like med students and neuroscientists. I'm like, where are you? Where is it? Yeah.

They're like, Raya. I'm like, okay. You know? So there really are. I've seen so far. I'm like a weekend. There are other people that do other things. And I'm like trying to, it's such a bubble out here.

You know what I mean? So it's a lot. You're like, I want, I want that doctor, that nurse, the dentist. What about a therapist? Yeah, probably. Yes. I would love. Yeah.

I see psychotherapists on there sometimes. I'm like, perfect. There you go. Save some money. Yes. Switch therapist right now. Right now to my girlfriend. Yeah.

What's a deal breaker for you? Deal breaker. Oh, man. Fred yeah um what's a deal breaker for you deal breaker oh man um oh bad tats I don't know bad tats like how bad like what have you seen that you haven't liked I don't know you know that's that's a stupid one like because I really don't care about that I'm obsessed we maybe like a neck tat it's probably like a deal breaker you know i guess a neck tat or like you're not you're not loving the neck tats have you gone on a date recently i haven't that's the thing it's actually never happened where did that come from i don't know he's like picturing her face and you're like just if there's a neck tat

okay no neck tats you know but tattoos are so ubiquitous but but like yeah they're not bad but but uh it's okay a neck tat we're moving on punctuality too okay that's really switching gears you are really on time you were early i'm like a little bit early embarrassingly yeah you're like at the door like yeah hi ready to go it's like an anxiety thing i like if i'm running late it's it's over i can't i hate being down you know oh i've had people so fucking late for the show so i appreciate that you're early i'm like let's get it going so thank you thank you have you ever been cheated on once kind of not really i think i think So we had like plans, like holiday plans, and like moving into the next phase of the relationship.

And she abruptly broke up with me. And then I found out that it was like she was... There was like an opportunity for someone, like a famous person, a really famous person, like Uber. And then she thought that they were going to date and that didn't happen. But... You're like...

But yeah. But that was the only closest thing yeah to to that that sucked oh that's sad but then like you know my perspective it was like i have perspective on that so i was like okay whatever well and i think it also tells you something about that person totally no it actually helped it actually that kind of helped we're like oh you were basically with me i was like oh i didn't see i didn't see that coming like that's a very interesting thing to know but that can hurt if she goes from like you to Brad you're like yeah yeah you're like I get it but it also indicates like what you're looking for right right right okay right okay um have you ever gone through a

partner's phone I have not no I'm actually very I have like almost the opposite of trusting I'm almost like too trusting yeah I'm like just go do your own thing I need my own space I'm great

she's like fully cheating on you girls night go to Mexico yeah yeah go have fun yeah yeah have you ever walked in

on someone going through your phone someone did go through my phone once it was bad did you walk in on them going through it? Or you found out?

No, I woke up in the middle of the night to them freaking out. No. Yeah. I mean, listen. Listen, okay. We love this on Call Her Daddy. This is good. If you're going to go through anybody's phone, you're going to find something that you don't like.

Totally. Even like a text with their mother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to find something you don't like. And I will say, there was nothing bad. I wasn't cheating or anything. But but you know it was not fun and i was very felt violated but you can't like you know it's like a weird thing oh my god and in the middle of the night that like the ambush of like wake up and you're like yeah yeah yeah it was so stressful you're

like you piece of shit yeah yeah and then you're like what's happening and at first you're like someone's coming into the room there's someone in the house like what's happening and they're like, you piece of shit. Yeah, yeah. And then you're like, what's happening? And at first you're like, someone's coming into the room. There's someone in the house. What's happening? And then they're like, I had your phone. Oh, I'm like, oh, God. I'm like, what? And then the first thing I was like, wait, what are you talking about?

Right. Like, what did you read? I really don't think I have anything weird in there. But yeah, it was a moment for sure. Interesting. Did you stay with the person? Yeah. Oh. Yeah, we did.

Yeah, we worked it out. Yeah. How. Did you stay with the person? Yeah. Oh. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we worked it out. Yeah. How much longer did that last? Another year. Okay. Day and a half. Okay. Yeah.

Wow. Another year and a half. Did you hear about that incident a lot? I didn't actually. Okay. I didn't. I didn't. But I got dragged to couples therapy.

No. Which I actually loved. You did? I didn't, but I got dragged to couples therapy. No! Which I actually loved. You did? I didn't love it, but I thought it was a good – it wasn't what I thought it was going to be. I think it's great. I think guys are very afraid of that. I've always been open to therapy. I do it now.

Yes. And I think it's like going to the gym, right? It's like you go to the gym for a certain thing. It's a very specific thing. People make it this like there's a stigma behind it. There's no stigma. no relationship is perfect and i actually had a couple's therapist on the other week and she was just talking to me about like it's so weird that now we've like normalized therapy but couples therapy yeah yeah yeah it's like what's wrong with you i'm like who doesn't fight

in a relationship who doesn't have problems who does like no relationship is perfect so it's almost like i commend the people that are honest about it like i had said like i went to couples therapy and it was like the best thing for my partner and i where i was like yes i feel so much more aware of where he's coming from because you have a person in the room that like is so unbiased neutral moderator and it's like this time you can you can air out those things safely yeah and it's just about being a fucking adult like you learn how to be an adult like at least for me in this relationship and i was like okay and it was very nice you know and when you're doing it doesn't feel like going to the dentist kind of you don't want to do it but it's you know it's like you do it and it was a really great thing so yeah okay

let's talk about your show obviously i'm like we're talking about gossip girl i apologize but obviously we just had to get through the og shit right your show i'm obsessed with the fact that you went from a man who was dressing like this like uppery cider this like kid with a trust fund to a superhero are you loving it like being in the one costume the whole time because i feel like a whole part of gossip girl was your outfits obviously no and now obviously i'm looking at you in the same outfit every scene i'm like this is kind of interesting obviously if people haven't watched the boys this is season four for the boys yeah come and tell me about it it's great it's the most fun i've ever had doing anything really i mean not not like you know just like work-wise

like the character it's it's comedy it's so much fun. Right, right. We're making fun of like the privileged, you know, male asshole. You know what I mean? Like that guy. The costume's great because I never have any fittings. I don't have to come in and do extra fittings.

So it's like one little thing. Costume's a little bit of a pain in the ass, but it's okay. But it's great. Yeah, the show's awesome. What happened with the whole penis? Dick thing? Penis. What happened with the whole penis situation think about that till you started doing i'm like i know exactly i forgot about that how do we

there's a story there tell tell everyone the story which is really funny because it was great press for the show when it first came out because no one knew if the show was going to work but uh but also the creator was like never tell anyone that was never tell anyone the real story that was you you're like really? it was me no but this calendar came out right

this calendar came out of me and the character and there was this massive rocket in the suit and they made this calendar and it was really funny and very in character too

but no one knew it's a satire of a show yeah people are seeing this like what is this? Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg produced it they're amazing and they thought it would be really funny in the genesis we hadn't filmed anything we were doing the suits that what if the deep just had like a raging

erection in like a third of the scenes i thought it was brilliant i'm like that's great it's hilarious so then the fittings i started showing up when they had a box the character's name is the deep they had a box called little deeps name is The Deep. They had a box called Little Deeps and it was like all these different foam like pieces, all different types. I'm obsessed. Settle on one.

I'm walking around. Oh no, first we did, so that's what happened. We did a big, we did all these like screen test camera shoots, photo shoots with this thing in it.

Yes. So we hadn't actually shot. Amazon hasn't really even seen anything. Oh my gosh. My first day on set, it's like a big, I'm in Toronto, big stage. I'm in front like 2 000 people like come out i'm like introducing aaron moriarty's character and everyone just starts laughing because it's so

funny the light you can really see this were you at all like anxious about it or you thought it was hilarious i thought it was hilarious i wasn't anxious about i kind of thought though i'm like guys we got to remove it sometimes right it can It can't be in there forever. It looks ridiculous. It's so obvious. It's so funny. It's so funny. And so I'm like, and literally, Amazon gave us no notes. They let us do whatever.

The only note first was like, you've got to take that thing out of Deep's pants. You've got to take that thing out. So they actually spent so much money frame by frame editing out that scene just in that area for that scene in the pilot's first episode everyone forgot that we did all these so so whoever thought in the pr thought it'd be funny to make a calendar out of it was was was genius but i'm obsessed but the calendar came out and then people didn't know what they had no idea what that was i mean you're right it was great pr because like everyone was talking about it it was like oh my god look at this penis like what is happening with this like big schlong?

Like it kind of looks real. I mean, it looks very real. You never think it'd be like a fake. Absolutely. Boner calendar. I mean, you know, it was great. So you're loving it. You're having a good time. Loving it. Yeah. Yeah. Still loving it. So what was that audition process like? It was complete opposite of Gossip Girl. It was like Christmas time. They were like, we got to cast the superheroes. And the superheroes are the bad guys for no one's watched the show. It's like the satire. Because they said they had to make the suits. Anyway, I'm like, there's no way that they're not going to bring people back in the new year.

Dead Zone is December. Even Thanksgiving through. I'm like, I really got to go in for this audition. I love the material. I'm like, this is amazing. Get there there it's complete opposite i'm like very annoyed i'm like last right you like don't think you're getting it there's a ton of actors in there well it's just like a cow it's like a lot of actors i audition and they audition everyone no matter who you were uh but i went in there and felt really good about the audition i felt i had the creator laughing and the scenes were funny kind of felt like i nailed it and then they're like oh we want to test him or whatever like the day day after

and i'm like perfect great so we'll go back in for like round three four five like in the new year and she's like no they're just going to use that that tape you just did and i was like well do i need to do it better like can i make some changes and i got nervous because i'm like they're like no they're just going to play in front of all the amazon sony people and i'm like that's how it works these days i'm like i have been out of the game right but but but they and that's what happened it was like very quick they kind of did the deal and they did it between me and i think some other person and then we and then they and then yeah i had the job like before christmas i was like wow this is awesome i don't have to go through like a month of like pulling my pulling my hair out right like it was one and

done yeah yeah because then the longer you go the more you want the job if you like it you're like I want this thing and I'm like used to completely waking up like what if I get this job so yeah it was a very quick like week-long process well it's fun to see you obviously like back on screen and I feel like you yeah your character is like quite hilarious like it's so funny to see you in such a different light obviously because of like the gossip girl ogs that like will follow you to whatever you do it's such a departure from that that i kind of love that though because i think you needed to do that i needed to do that yeah i think i still need to do it even more but i liked it was a

complete shake up and a complete um yeah it's a kind of dark comedy does some weird stuff in the first episode but it's like very dark and and and they and they give us an opportunity to show some range so it's like comedy and some weird like insecurity there and like it's good good to show the color so um what are you doing this summer i'm not you know i i got no i'm going to tahoe with the family and like in july is around my birthday i do like a a 4th of July in Idaho with some friends up there. Fun. Displaced Gaza or whatever. And then Tahoe. And then got no Italy plans. Got no Italy trip this year. Me either.

I think it's okay. It's okay. I think it's like a little. It's okay. We're over it. It's a lot. We're over it. It's a lot.

We're like, no, you guys go do your thing. We'll be here. No, I think Italy is amazing. I think like the vibe is to not go in the summer. I think so too. i think so too i think so too it's like earlier like late season yeah yeah yeah yeah and it's probably not as expensive but there's also not as many people there like right it's we're convincing ourselves why it's good that we're not in like coffee we're like it's fine we're going to tahoe okay um okay

so you're going on some trips wait i didn't realize your sister is married to tony romo she is yeah that's kind of fun. Yeah, it's great. He's awesome. We grew up big Cowboys fans, so that was like a good, really crazy time of our life. Do your parents fucking love that? Oh, they love it. Yeah, they love it.

And so he's the one playing in the Tahoe Golf Tournament with some friends. Fun. And so it's this whole like, it's like my dad, for him, it's like better than Christmas. He loves that little Tahoe trip. Right, right, right. So yeah, yeah, yeah. We go out there and hang out with the family. I am so happy that you came on.

I think you're such a great, cool guy. I really had no idea what to expect, if I'm honest. Like I was like, is he going to be a little stiff? Like is he going to, because I've never really seen you do that many interviews.

Right, yeah. You don't do much. I guess I don't, no. And not like in a cool, great format, conversational. You're the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this was great.

I was really excited about this. Did you have fun? It was chill. I wish they were all like this, Alex. Thank you. You're awesome. Thank you. Thanks for having me on.

Thank you for coming on. This was so fun. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Thank you.