Call Her Daddy - Chappell Roan: Are People Scared Of Me?

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Chappell Roan. Chappell reveals she’s currently in a relationship, tells the story of her most chaotic night on the road, and opens up about the moment in high school that inspired her to write HOT TO GO! She also breaks down what truly makes a situationship casual, how she would describe her type, her iconic birthday party at the strip club, and the sexual experiences that inspired her new song The Giver. Enjoy!

What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy. Chappell Rhone, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you. I am so happy to be meeting you. I'm such a fan. So this is like a very cool moment. How are you doing tonight? I'm good. I have to tell you, everyone always wants to do like early interviews. I'm not a morning person. So this is like one of the later interviews I've done.

Are you a night person? I like both. I have insomnia. Oh. So really it's like, I'm an all day, all night person until I take my pills. Okay, great. So you're just up.

I'm up. You're with me right now. I am. Good to know. Okay, good to know. Talk to me about what you are wearing. This is everything. How did you pick this?

Well, I'm styled by Dennis' web, but I'm wearing Tom Brown, and some of this is archival, which is amazing, but it's like a little white and red striped outfit vibe. All of it's Tom Brown. It's just the best of it's Tom Brown. It's just the best.

He's the best. It literally looks like you are the host of the show. You look like you are running this room right now and I'm the outsider. You look perfect. Oh my God, thank you. Okay, you're obviously known for your incredible amazing outfits.

What has been your favorite outfit to date that you've worn during a performance? I wore one for Bonnaroo that was club kid themed and it was latex, medical latex, sexy, kinky girl. And it is kind of like disturbing in a way, but I felt so awesome. I love that. I was gonna say, now I need to go Google that.

Yeah, I look scary, but I love looking kind of crazy and scary, but I love that. I mean, the Lollapalooza one was so fucking awesome because I got to wear tennis shoes. Govball when you literally were all green. Okay, I don't think people know this. I had to spread my cheeks. You're lying to me right now.

I just spread my cheeks and get sprayed with green and like it didn't come off. The way I got that off was I took three baths, not soap, dish soap. I literally poured dish soap in and scrubbed, rubbed my whole body with coconut oil, jumped in, scrubbed with a literal like kitchen sponge and every, all of it came off, except there was a green tint to my skin. So I literally looked moldy for four days. How like humbling when all of your fans are like, queen, slay, you look gorgeous.

And then you're home literally scrubbing your asshole. No, yeah. This is my life. I was scrubbing my bikini lines and my pews were pulling out from it all. I don't have, I'm not even lasered or anything. It's so glamorous. I just can't. I fucking love it.

Okay, how do you usually though dress on a chill day day? Like, are you always going hard glam? Are you always having an outfit? Sometimes I love having an outfit, but usually not with glam. Like this, like I'm not wearing a lash, or, you know, anything like that, or nails, really, but um, I'm not in a lot of color. That's the thing. Like I'm in a lot of blacks and a lot of like, taupes and whites and creams, like nothing. Yeah.

Are you ever doing sweatpants? Yeah. Ooh. Sometimes. Okay. But I'm in like, I wear a lot of skirts. I'm very modest when it comes to my day to day. And I think it's just because, one, I feel like I'm in LA and I can dress more masculine

and not get dirty looks. And so, but I feel like in other parts of the country, it's like, I just dress more feminine, so I don't wanna deal with it. You know what I mean? Isn't it so annoying when you're like, I don't even wanna deal with these comments or these looks, so I'm going to just like blend in for you all.

I don't want to, but I don't have the time of day. So fuck off. I used to dress fucking crazy though. Before like all of this happened and I had energy and like light in my eyes, I would literally just wear my thong out, miniiskirt, bottom ass cheeks out, nipples, see-through in this fucking trash. I dress like really, really bimbo-y.

And like I had, I wore like silicone like breast, like boob inserts to make my boobs come up to my fucking like up to my clavicle or whatever. And so I just like lost my shine. Why? Because it became my job. And then I was like, I'm fucking tired. And glam takes. I mean, at that time, I wasn't like I was just in my room, high as fuck, doing my makeup on TikTok live for three hours every night. And then I would go out in like this like insane drag makeup and like all these thrifted like 70s disco,

always in fucking heels, just a maximalist. And that was so amazing. And then it just got to be, like there was no separation. Like I would be out as Kayleigh in that and then I would be on stage as that. And then there was like no separation. It just got, I would look at myself in the mirror

and be like, what's the difference between chapel and like. I understand that now, because I've interviewed like enough people to have that conversation in a healthy way, I think is you have to find a way to actually know who you are when the lights and the cameras and everything go off, like who you are. And if you look the same exact

and you act the same exact as you do on stage, then there is no separation and there's nothing that you can keep private for yourself and protect. So that makes sense as you do on stage, then there is no separation and there's nothing that you can keep private for yourself and protect. So that makes sense as you've tried to kind of like, give yourself basically your private life. Is that good? Yeah.

Okay, you refer to yourself as a Midwest princess. What is the most Midwestern thing about you? I say, oh, so much. Oh much oh oh I'm sorry oh oh oh P.E. say that a lot. Is that a Midwestern thing? I think so. Oh I'm sorry oh sorry you know that um I still am like I look at the gas prices here and I'm like, golly, over $4, that's crazy. And I'm like, what the fuck, bitch, you've been here for almost 10 years. Like, what are you talking about?

It's never been under $4. I am one of the bitches that are like, well, we got here at the right time. We got at this restaurant right at the right time. Look at the line. I don't even care about, like, as if I've ever given a fuck, but I still say it, I'm like, stop. I get called out for saying roof instead of roof,

but I was like, cement is how most people say it, but I was raised cement. Like semen, but semen-ment. Yeah, semen-ment. Ooh. And I say it, but I was raised semen. Like semen, but semen. Yeah, semen. Ooh. And I say insurance, like different. So there's like those things, but also it's like, I don't know, I wish it was more acceptable

to like be barefoot. I wish that like, like, I don't know. I guess that's like more country, but I'll eat food off the ground. And like, I- Love, build character. I like, my car is so fucked up. What kind of car do you drive? Well, I a beater.

I bought it. It's not a beater. That's actually really dramatic. It's my mom's old car. But it's just like, I'm not gonna fix it. Like I'm just not gonna fix it. Wait, you drive your mom's old car. I've never bought my own car. Why not? I'm like kind gonna fix it. Wait, you drive your mom's old car? I've never bought my own car.

Why not? I'm like kind of embarrassed of cars, like in general. Like if someone has a really nice car, I'm like, it's too much. Too much. It's too much. And also I know I'm gonna fuck it up. But when you were in your maximalist era,

would you have gotten yourself a nice car or still that was like the one thing you wouldn't do? I couldn't afford it. Yeah, do. That's, I couldn't afford it. Yeah, yeah, it's like I couldn't. I've never been a bitch to like with a car, you know? I just don't think it means anything. But to me, I guess it does because I'm always like, eh, ick.

I get what you mean. It's like, I just don't, if I see a cyber truck, I'm like. No, that shit is so fucking ugly. I can't, when I drive up next to it, I'm like. No, that shit is so fucking ugly. I can't, when I drive up next to it, I'm like, what in the brick ass shit is that? Yeah, detent it. Detent, I wanna see who's in there. Who's driving that?

It's so fast. You know who the only person I know who had it? Who? Who signed up for it. I'm not even kidding. Cause you could sign up for it in like 2019, 2020. My ex-boyfriend is the only person I've ever known. And you know what?

He has hentai tattoos, white, white, white boy, hentai tattoos of just girls tied up. He has, I actually probably shouldn't say everything. Actually, he probably, but that's like the vibe. I'm like, okay. His vibe. You're painting the picture for me. I'm just like, I don't know anyone who I'd hang out with

that has a cyber truck. I don't either. So we're in good company tonight. Can you imagine? McCart, do you drive? Do you drive a Tesla? Okay, I don't drive a Tesla. You're gonna hate me.

Can I guess? Take a guess. What if I said a Cybertruck? I would be like, what are you doing? You walk out of this interview. I would be like. I would be like, fuck you. No, I do not drive a Cybertruck. I'm gonna guess a

G-Wagon? No, I drive a Porsche. Okay, that's classy. The only reason I drive a Porsche is because I never could afford a car my whole life and I had to drive my grandmother's car to school and I was that bitch that couldn't just own it and I would like park four blocks away

and I was so mortified because I went to this like preppy ass school that I couldn't afford and all the kids were driving fucking nice ass cars but obviously their parents were paying for it so like kind of embarrassing. And I would park away and the door wouldn't open so I had to get out on the other side

and climb through the window, it was a whole thing. That's awesome. It built character, you know. And then when I got to high school, I remember this one girl that I was like thought she was so cool and she drove a Porsche and it was like the Cayenne or whatever. Yeah.

And so I've only had one car in my life and it's that. And then. Yeah, yeah. When I was a nanny, the family had, the nanny car was a Porsche Cayenne. So I've actually driven that before. It's a nice car, but for it to be the nanny car, go fuck yourself.

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to me, I'm like, I don't know when that's gonna happen for me. Like, I don't know when that's gonna happen for me. Like I don't know when that is realistic, if ever. So. Do you want that? Like get married and. Yeah. I don't know. I like, part of me is like, is it even gonna be legal to marry?

Like my wife one day, you know? I don't know. So, but kids, I, all of my friends who have kids are in hell. I don't know anyone. I actually don't know anyone who's like happy But kids, all of my friends who have kids are in hell. I don't know anyone, I actually don't know anyone who's happy and has children at this age. I have a one year old, three year old, four and under, five and under.

I literally have not met anyone who's happy, anyone who has light in their eyes, anyone who has slept. These are not looking too good. I'm like, why did my parents do that? I'm the oldest of four. My mom had me at 23. Wait, when you're saying that about your friends though,

like, do they think this is all wild, that like how famous you are and like all of it, when they see articles about you, are they like calling you up and be like, Kayleigh, what the fuck? Or are they just like, this is your life bitch, like text us when you wanna come over? Yeah, like they're just like, Kaylee, what the fuck? Or are they just like, this is your life, bitch, like, text us when you wanna come over? Yeah, like they're just like, they're mothers.

Like they're fucking busy and they have jobs and lives. Like I am, I am just their friend. You know what I mean? Like they are so sweet and so supportive and come out to shows and like, they have to get fucking babysitters to come to my shows. And like, I don't ever ever expect like when I go home, I love reminiscing about like destroying public property with them and like doing some illegal shit and like literally hating the

same bitches for 15 years. Like we just can't get over stuff. We can't get, I will never get over. It's nice though. It's like therapeutic when you have those girls from like when you're younger cause it's like, that is the shit that it genuinely is therapeutic to just be like, and that little fucking cunt from,

and you're like, I don't even know where she is these days. I know. They're probably a better person now. That's the thing. I still hate those bitches from high school. There was one girl who said, I like, whatever, beat her in the fucking talent show, like whatever, who cares?

Like I won and she was like, you did so good. Like I can't wait till your voice fully matures. Like I can't wait to actually hear it wheneveratures, like I can't wait to actually hear it whenever you get like some lessons and some maturity in your voice. And I was like, we're the same age. And to like, I will show you. And I think I did. But also, I'm trying to think there's so many things. Oh, here's one. Like, Hot To Go was, there was a line in Hot To Go. I will never forget this.

I was standing in line at lunch, and there were two girls in front of me, like a few people up in front of me, and they couldn't, they didn't know I was standing back there but they were like talking about me and they were like oh do you know who's dating we'll say what's a what's a wind Western mr. John okay Carolyn Johnny Carolyn let's say that's the boy's name. Okay. Johnnie Carolyn, do you know who's dating Johnnie Carolyn? They're like, oh no, no, no, who? Oh, it's Kayleigh Amstutz. Well, who is she? Oh, you know, she's like, she's not hot, but she's pretty.

She's like, she's like pretty, but she's not like hot. And so when I wrote Hot to Go, that's why I'm like, call me hot, not pretty. Cause like that was so ingrained in my heart of like, I wanna be the hot girl. I wanna be the hot girl. I don't wanna be called pretty. But I wasn't hot in high school.

Dude, whoever the fuck was peaked, okay? That's kind of true. Right? Whoever was so banging hot, they're not, they're not doing too well. That's so true, and all the hot guys at my school. I don't know. I don't really know any hot guys at my school. I don't think I grew up with hot guys.

There was no one that I was really attracted to. But that's the shit though, Chappell, that's like how crazy the shit that sticks with you. Like girls can be so fucking cutting when you're that young. Boys too, but girls, it's like, you almost like care more in moments where you're like, I'm pretty. And anyone, if like you don't get it,

it's like that is like the big, they're trying to insult you. This isn't like a nice, but you're like, and then you wrote that obviously banger ass song and now you're making fucking money off get it, it's like that is the big, they're trying to insult you. This isn't a nice, you're like, and then you wrote that obviously banger-ass song and now you're making fucking money off of it, so. It's true. It is like the bad things that happen to me, I can monetize.

That is what's awesome about being a songwriter. My breakup when I wrote my kinkist karma vibes was the worst thing that's ever happened. Like genuinely, I don't think it could have been worse, but I got to like fuel an entire video and a song and a look, a character, just based off of horrible week of my life. And when you do that though, when you publish it,

do you feel like finally, like you've expunged your soul of all that negativity or does it still slightly hang on when you have to perform those songs? When I do the festivals and I look in the camera and I say, I dedicate this, whatever, la la la, I am actually thinking about them or whoever I'm dedicating, but I do think about it. And I'm like, at Lollapalooza, I was like,

fuck you so hard for talking about you dating me. Like, how could you talk about, why are you bragging that you dated me? You broke up with me. That's the craziest part. But it's so telling, it's so embarrassing. It's like, you want clout. How lame is your life?

You want clout. You have to sleep so well at night knowing that though of like, ooh, and I still get to monetize off this. Loser, loser, bye. How do you decide when you have people call you chapel verse Kayleigh? Well, now I'm at work chapel, but like none of my friends call me chapel.

Okay, who was your pop of my friends call me chapel. Who was your pop icon growing up? Hannah Montana. Bitch. And Britney. You can't say Hannah Montana to me, it may not. Hannah Montana.

Need a minute. I remember when the first episode came out. The wig in the first episode, then when they changed it, so good. It still looked like I looked back on that and I'm like, they really didn't know if that shit was gonna pop off. And then it was like the biggest fucking thing ever. But that first wing is so telling.

They're like, let's just fucking see if this shit works. And then boom. Did you go to the concert? I went to the one where it was Miley and Hannah. So she starts as Hannah and then she transitions to Miley. Is that the- Jonas Brothers opened? I remember. Kansas City?

I remember that was the point when the Jonas Brothers weren't that big of a deal. And I was so annoyed that they were on stage. And my dad was like, one day you're gonna have a crush on one of these boys. And I was like, I reject that. I'm disturbed by these men. And then I obviously like fell in love with them

like a couple of years later. Nick or Joe? Or sorry, Kevin. Oh. I'm sorry. No, no, of years later. Nick or Joe, or sorry Kevin. Oh. I'm sorry. No, no, no. Nick, Joe or Kevin. I would say at first Nick, I did the whole thing,

cried, diabetes, obviously. Okay. Did you cry too? No, I always hated the Jonas Brothers. But here's the thing, Joe's so fucking nice to me now. I've grown up to love them. Like when I was young, I was like you. I was like, I don't care about the boys.

I just want Hannah. And when they came out, I was like, fucking God. Like I was nine and I literally said, when they came out, I was like, oh my fucking God, I don't care. I believed in God at that time. And I was saying that I literally said, when they came out, I was like, oh my fucking God, I don't care. I believed in God at that time and I was saying that shit in my head. I couldn't get on board.

And then yes, Hannah, at that point, do you remember East Northumberland High, good and broken, you and me together, bitch? I made music videos to that shit. I was religious. And all of this to say, I loved the Joes. When I was religious. And all this to say, like, I love the Joes. Like, when I was nine, I was, I think it was just the lesbian in me that just had no interest in seeing them as an idol as a child.

But now I'm like, work. Yes. Okay, I'm going to ask you, give me the first song that comes to mind when I tell you this. Ready? Favorite song to belt out in the shower. This is the part when I break free Go-to song when you need a good cry I wanna day my Go-to song when you need a good cry.

All along it was a fever, it's cold sweat, hot headed, believer. Stay by Rihanna, which I auditioned to with the, yeah, I auditioned with it for The Voice. I didn't make it on the show, obviously. Thank God. Thank God I didn't make it. the show, obviously. Thank God. Thank God I didn't make it. Maybe it is so much better because imagine if you were like,

not that it's bad to come from the voice, but the story is better without the voice, right? Your come up is just a little bit better. Yeah. Okay. That's the song that belongs on every workout playlist. My favorite song of all time. When you see me in the club, you better think about, or you better think about us, us. Yeah, you better make that shit work. It's the, it's the Will It, I'm gonna scream and shout with Britney Spears. Your crowd pleaser karaoke song.

I fucking hate karaoke. Moving on. Cause I don't wanna try. Yeah. I don't like feeling like I have to try to sing well if I'm not doing it for work. Cause then it feels like, look at me. I love karaoke is for people who never get to sing.

Yes. To sing. And then we sing your songs. And I'm like for people who never get to sing. Yes. And then we sing your songs. And I'm like, like, I hate singing it, but I did, I don't know. One time I pretended I put in, like, I was at a seafood boil in the middle of Apalachicola, Florida. We were on off day on tour and we went to this seafood place

and there was just a dad playing guitar. And it was like, does anybody out there wanna sing a, does anybody wanna sing a duet with me? And my whole touring crew was like, yes, go, go, go. And I was like, oh, please stop, please stop, please stop. And then I was like, fine, I will. And he was like, come on up, what's your name? And I think I was like, Madeline.

And he's like, Madeline, what do you wanna sing? Here are my lists. And I look down and I see Shallow. And I was like, Shallow? And and he was like really you want to do shallow and I was like mm-hmm and like really I did it and I went like up there oh it was all old people and families it was literally like old people and then like moms with four kids who were like tired and like people's like turned around

cause I was ripping it and afterwards, like I just sat down, literally old people just started standing up and they were like, you have to try out for American Idol. You have to try out. And I was like, oh my God, stop, I'm not that good. And then I went to Orlando and opened for Olivia Rodrigo the next day.

Dude, that fucking man just being like, really wanna do this with me. He's like, are you sure, honey? You're like, no, but let's fucking do it. And I was like, I don't know, I'm up here. Hurry up before I fucking leave, dick. That's hilarious though. Do you ever get moments like that of anonymity

where you get to feel like people actually don't know who you are anymore? Do you ever dress up, disguise? I think people are scared of me. Really? I think I made a big enough deal about not talking to me that people do not talk to me. That's, I think, the truth of it all.

And I've been with people like friends who are like artists and they're like, when they're with me, they're like, it's a force field around us. People don't come up to me if I'm with you. And I think I'm just like, damn, say, baby, you say it too. You say, don't touch me. Don't touch me, don't look at me. Don't talk to me. I don't know who you are.

And they won't come out to bother you. What a concept. That is fucking hilarious though that other celebrities are like, bitch, look at what you did. I'm not just by one person, by like three, three or four. Do you love it that you said it? It hurts that I have to.

Yeah. It hurts. I know it really hurts people cause they take it really, they feel like it's me disrespecting them that I owe it to them and that how dare I call it abuse. And it's like, or complaining about success. I get that a lot But I'm not complaining about success. I'm just complaining about creepy behavior. I

Love I love like admiration everyone loves admiration like I just don't want you to like interrupt me at like When I'm having a fight with a girl my girlfriend, please don't fucking be like can I get a photo when I'm having a fight with a girl, my girlfriend, like don't fucking be like, can I get a photo when I'm crying, crying, talking to my girlfriend, that's fucking crazy. You're like, I'm actually in the middle of breaking up with someone or getting cheated on right now. Spare me. Yeah. Take a picture all the way across there of the back of my head. You know, it's like I can't, I of course, of course it's going gonna take a second to,

for people to like really look at themselves. And like, I have to have grace for that. Like I didn't, how would I know any better if I were to see Hannah Montana? I would have to tell her that I love her music so much and that like, she means a lot to me. But in reality, it's it's like no I don't right because that's not Hannah right there that's not Hannah that's destiny oh Cyrus Cyrus

anyway sorry I fucking love you okay you wrote your song at pink pony club about the abbey here in Los Angeles true True or not true? Yes, true. Why are you looking away from me? Have you had your phone stolen there? Have I my phone? Stolen at the Abbey? I've never gone to the Abbey because apparently, well-

Because you get your phone, yeah, you get your phone stolen. Wait, what? It's crazy. I have had three friends whose phone got stolen. Okay, so tell me about like the night or the story. Is that the story? Like what is it? Tell me about, I've never gone to the Abbey

because everyone's like, it's not even good anymore. It used to be good, now it's not good anymore. Okay, well obviously when I went, the night was fucking awesome because I was like, it's like, it was amazing. And I just couldn't stop dancing and I was obsessed with the go-go dancers and the music was so loud and everyone was so hot and making out and I had never seen anything like it and I

wanted to be a like a go-go dancer exotic dancer after that and So I was like looking into it. And I just was like, I felt like, really embarrassed if someone from like a record label were to see me dancing, I would just feel really embarrassed because I don't know, like, I felt really self conscious. And so instead, I wrote a song about me being the dancer. So that's what Pink Pony is about. It's like me being the dancer at the Abbey. And like, I'm scared to go to the Abbey now

because my phone is gonna get fucking stolen. And your phone can not get stolen. I mean, would you care? It's true, no. No, yes you would, no. I don't care. There's nothing on your fucking phone. They can't get into it. It's like You're the one that has like this 17 number

Okay, how do you feel about a dance floor make out I Look the other way okay before you were famous would you be down or no? I get really uncomfortable by I am the bitch that makes all the dance floor. I just like, I'm like a hypocrite when it comes to PDA. I'm like, what the fuck? And then I will be like be drunk making out. I've done it with so many different people. It's fun though.

It's so fun. If I'm fucked up, like I don't care. But if I don't really drink anymore. So when I see people making out, like I just laugh, I can't stop laughing. The only way I feel like for a dance floor make out is to be drunk or on drugs. In WeHo, it's like at brunch. You know, it's not even like,

it's not even a dance floor. You've gone so many different places. What has been your most like chaotic night out on tour or even just like on the road. Probably the night. Tell me, please. One night, I thought my bus driver, the tour bus driver was gonna leave without us. It was gonna just drive away. gonna leave without us, it was gonna just drive away. And I called my tour manager and I was like, hey, something's going on.

The bus driver's being kind of weird. And I think he's really mad. He's just stomping around and I thought he was leaving. It looked like he was driving away, but then he backed up. I think he's really pissed off at us and I think we should get on the bus. She thought I was leaving. I like it looked like he was driving away, but then he backed up. I think he's really pissed off at us and I think we should get on the bus. She thought I was kidding. And so she was like, oh, yeah, he's going crazy. I heard he I heard he hit someone and then that, you know, we don't worry about it.

Like the cops are on the way. And I was like. Holy fuck. And then I got up, I got on the bus, bus driver was nowhere to be found. And I was like, everybody on the bus, get your passports and let's get off. Come on! It's literally like the sound team. Like, I'm about to start crying. Everyone's drunk. Like, it's so bad. It's like after a show. It's the night before we go to Coachella.

And I'm like, the cops are coming, everyone get it, get out, get out, the cops are coming, get your passwords, get something that's important to you and get off the bus. I didn't know my tour manager was kidding. And so then I like, I was so fucked up and I was just crying. I was like, something's really wrong. Like the bus drivers being really weird

and we're not gonna be able to make it to Coachella. And my tour manager was like, I was kidding. And I was like, then what's going on? Dude, dude. Like then what's even going, like, but the bus driver is being weird. What do we do? And she's like, I literally don't,

like no one knew what to do. And I was like, I literally don't, like no one knew what to do. And I was like, I'm just confused, we have to make the Coachella, we have to, and we did. This poor man like walks out of peak and he's like, why is everyone acting weird? That is what fucking happened. He's like- You're holding your cats and your passports and you're like,

he's gonna attack us. That's literally what happened. And he's like, I'm not gonna attack you, nothing's wrong guys. And I was just so drunk, I was like, he's on a rampage. Everyone get off the bus. We're like, sorry, sir. We love you, drive.

Dude, alcohol can do some weird fucking shit to you. I don't drink anymore. I shouldn't. The only time I drink, actually the only time I drink is my birthday and I had my birthday. Wait, how did you celebrate? I went to Jumbo's clown room. How was that? No. Tell me everything. The only time I drink, actually the only time I drink is my birthday and I had my birthday.

How did you celebrate? I went to Jumbo's clown room. How was that? No? Tell me everything. It's a strip club, but it's not like a, it's very gay. It's like a lot of lesbian vibes. Are you a lap dance girl?

Like what are you, what's your vibe at a strip club? They gave me a lap dance and it was fun. Usually those things really make me uncomfortable but I was drunk so I didn't care. And yeah, I rented the whole place out. It was a dream birthday. It was a dream come true. And those girls fucking know how to work a pole.

The pole does not spin. Like it's not, they do it. Like it's real. I remember like the last time I was at a strip club, I remember just like staring at them in awe. And I was like, I hope they don't think this is creepy, but like I'm genuinely just so fascinated by how you're doing that because like my neck hurts

and my back hurts watching you do that. You're fucking incredible. They're iconic athletes. Cheers to the girls. How has your relationship to your sexuality evolved over the years? Obviously, I've come into being more comfortable with saying I'm queer with dating women. But I don't know something like fucked up my sexuality. I think like my nervous system is so fried

that I can't even feel like flirtatious. Like it's just too intense to even like be sexual at all. I'm just too sensitive, you know? Do you want to be or you're not feeling like you're missing anything? No, I do. I want to be because I think that like that was a part of myself that was fun and like I feel like that part of me exists on stage but off stage it's like it's this kind of um

I kind of reverted back to of reverted back to a very shameful part of myself and how I relate to sex. Just because it's like when there's so much of you in the world that is exposed, then like being sexual with someone is so vulnerable because the rest of your life is so vulnerable that it's like, it almost is too, I want to save something. Like, I just don't wanna be that vulnerable with so many fucking people. Do you ever though, like resent the chapel rhone moments?

Because then you're, like you're saying, you're feeling it on stage or like enjoying yourself, you're feeling sexual. Then you're going home as Kayleigh and being like, I just don't want to enjoy that. Like, are you ever like, fuck, am I sacrificing my real moments of being able to find myself and embrace my sexuality for people and my art?

I resent myself for, I resent myself for... I resent the job because I can no longer... Yes, sexuality has like, it's just different now. And like, but I resent not being able to like be a friendly neighbor because I can't like go out and meet my neighbors and be like, hi, I'm Kayleigh. I live here. This is what my car looks like. This is what time I'm home and when I'm not, you know, so then people all of a sudden know exactly. It's just a recipe for a stalker situation. So I resent that part of my

career path. There's just so much you don't know that you're signing up for. You don't know that you're signing up that your whole, your body changes. It is like going through puberty. And that's what I was told. I didn't really know if that was true. But the pop girls were like, it feels like a second puberty. I do think like, what I appreciate about you saying that though, is like, I feel like it's important to recognize that your passion for art, the goal is for people to enjoy it because you love it. You want people to connect to it.

You want people to experience it. But that obviously comes then with the fame aspect and then fame is the thing that I think people get so frustrated by you saying that, but it's like, no, no, no, like you love your art. That's not what you're saying you don't love. You're saying you don't love the thing that comes with that. And I think, but the beautiful thing is the art. Like what do you think chapel ran would mean to young Kayleigh?

I don't even know if my younger self would be able to register. That is a part of me. That's how we moved. I was so, so, so like opposite of me now. Like it just wasn't awoken, it awakened in me, you know? Like young Kayleigh, it just felt so restricted because I was so, I was a very, I was a very, I was a problem child and so angry and so depressed and just felt like no one understood me. And now that part of me is so alive.

And I always did want to dress up and be super girly or be really like tomboy or I just wanted to be free, but I didn't ever think that it would actually happen. And now that it has, it's like, I don't think she would believe that at all. I don't think she could ever believe that like this is what I do. But doesn't that make you now happy?

Yeah, it's awesome. It's like, that part is awesome that I really honored my inner child to the max. I think now what it is is like, how do I honor my adults to the max? It's like, I don't know because this is all new and no, but there's no rule, but there's like, every artist, every pop girl,

the next move is like a question mark. Yeah. Cause some girls put out the first song, had an incredible first album Want a bunch of shit then take five years off Some girls go right into it and then they end up releasing something they hate and then they Release another one that they love like they never stop some just tour for there is no game plan of like

How do I make sure I make the right decision? that's There is no game plan of like, how do I make sure I make the right decision? That's so fucking relatable. And obviously the things you're dealing with, there are elements that certain people will never understand, just like we may never understand certain parts of each other, just like people watching this are like, you guys would never understand what I'm going through. But I do think it's relatable to say,

and I don't think that you should be criticized for acknowledging that there is an element to your life that is very confusing right now, and it is okay to be so grateful and also be so fucking confused and angry in moments because that's life, and I think that when someone's sitting in this chair like Chappell Rhone, you're supposed to,

in people's mind mind have the answers. Be grateful, smile, tell us if this is the coolest fucking thing that's ever happened because all of us wanna be famous. But then it's like, at what point are we gonna start to realize that so many people that do end up in the spotlight are yelling like, this is not all that it's cracked up to be.

This shit is hard. We're not asking for you to like feel so fucking bad for us, but a little bit of empathy goes a long way with human beings. I think that's chill to say. And I don't think, and who gives a fuck if at one point they don't understand it? I really like that you are being honest about it

rather than smiling and be like, I fucking love my job, Alex, everything's good. You're not robotic. I think it's also, people expect me to play by different roles because I'm gay and I should be more politically correct about that and I should actually be way more knowledgeable about it and so I get asked a lot of fucking crazy questions

that a lot of my peers would not get asked and that's because I'm gay and And that's because I have my opinions, but that doesn't mean I'm completely, I don't know everything about every topic I have opinions on. I don't know everything about being gay. I don't know everything about being a woman. I don't know everything about fucking fashion

or drag or performing. I try to know everything I can, but when I don't answer a question correctly or I don't acknowledge one community, it's like, how can I do it all? You can't. How can these girls, how can these girls tour, write, perform, interview, sleep, eat, and eat, and fucking

work out? And like, how can they do it all and lead a team and be a boss and pay people and like and be like fucking so politically educated it's it's exhausting and it's also impossible also why the fuck are you looking to me for some political answer you think I have the fucking answer but you're like listen to my song bitch turn it out like I'm a pop star I wish I had the fucking answer. But you're like, listen to my song, bitch. Turn it up. Like I'm a pop star. I wish I had the answers. I wish the president was a pop star, but she's not.

I feel like something that you just said that is very apparent and I was excited today too, was like this, what you're saying, we could do 19 fucking hours on because it's like the double standard of one, you being a woman, two, being a gay woman. There's so much that comes with it. because it's like the double standard of one you being a woman to be a gay woman There's so much that comes with it and it's like everyone in interviews Like you said like there's people asking you questions that you're like, I don't fucking know and that's why I'm excited that like I feel

Like it's been I'm excited that we're gonna have fun today We're having fun and talking about more light topics because it's clear that like you're fucking funny You're funny. You're funny. You're a good time. I wanna play a little game. Okay. Okay? This is kind of inspired by your song, Casual.

Love the song. I'm gonna give you a situationship scenario and you're gonna tell me if it's still casual or not. Are you ready? Yeah. Okay. They meet your entire friend group. Ha ha.

What? Apparently it's casual. Apparently it is. Apparently it's casual if you meet your parents. Apparently. Okay, but you don't want it to be. Wait, the parents is fucking crazy, Chappell. Apparently.

Apparently it's casual if you sexed for three months. That's fucking crazy. Wait, have you ever brought a new hookup around your friends and they're like, absolutely not. We do not fuck with this person. Yeah, and then I've dated them for four more years. You're like, love you besties. But you're not like, yeah.

That's how it goes. And then when you break up. That's just being stupid. That's like, that is just actually like, listen to your friends, fucking listen to your friends. If your friends are telling you this guy is like weird or this girl is weird, like something is like off, but you don't, you can't tell really.

No one's, it's like, it's not bad enough for anyone to tell you anything. Just fucking listen to them. If the vibe is off, it's something is wrong. Stop seeing them. I know, because your friends like don't care. Your friends usually aren't trying to fuck you. Uh-uh. Well, sometimes.

That's we're moving on. OK, casual or not, they make solo plans with you to celebrate their birthday. That's a date. I mean, I guess it could be casual. No, I think- No, that's not fucking casual. The birthday's crazy. That's not casual. Thank you, the birthday's crazy.

What is a safe gift to get a situationship? Just buy their dinner. Don't, I don't know, I'm not a gift. Don't make them anything, that's for sure. Don't fucking make a casual person anything. Yeah, that's fair. I think you can get them like a bottle of alcohol. Yeah, a bottle of alcohol is nice.

Probably like not a card, maybe a card that is- Oh, you're gonna say a car. I'm like, chapeau. I'm not the girl. Maybe a card that is- Oh, you're gonna say a car? I'm like, chopper! I'm not the girl. I'm not her. Um, a safe gift? I mean... Ugh, I don't even want to think about it. Just buy a fucking meal. Just pay a ticket- be like, hey, can I take you out for a movie? Do an experience. So you don't have to like,

no one hates a stuffed animal more than me. Have you been given many stuffed animals? That's so dumb. That's so bad. That's so bad. Did you keep them? I think I burned a pile. There was something going on when I was 17.

Okay, they start calling you pet names before you're official. That's like flirty. Oh, pet names like Boo Boo? Oh, so like what? What is the pet name that you? I don't know, what's the pet name that you've been called? What's the cringiest pet name that you have ever had called to you or you called someone? Don't lie to me. I don't know what is wrong with me. It's just gonna give away who it is. I can't

do it. It will? Yeah. No, it's fine. It's fine. What do you I mean, I don't know what is the I'm maybe obviously they're like babe and baby, but then there's like the weird ones where it's like. Cuddlekins, that type thing, or like stuff in movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was good. Cuddlekins, I've never heard that. Okay, what is the most extravagant thing you've ever bought someone?

I'll probably like Vin Moe and my brother $500. I love that we're playing a romantic game and you're like, uh. Oh my God. I forgot. You're like, uh, my brother. Oh, I thought it was in general. That's very romantic.

I said the most romantic. That's actually so fucking crazy. I said the most romantic thing you've ever done to me. My brother. My brother, Venmo, duh, 500 bucks, bitch. I mean, maybe. I'm most extravagant gift is like writing music for them. I wrote an, yeah, I wrote an entire EP for someone

and never came out. What? Yeah. Did they hear it? Yeah, they loved it. Actually, they didn't love it as much as I thought they would, but I worked really hard on it and whatever. Wait, Chapel, can you walk me through that moment

where you're like, I'm going to show you, how did you tell the person that you had this for them and what was the reaction? I gave it on a CD, I burned it on a CD and I gave them my old CD player and my headphones and I said, you should listen to this, I made it for you. And then there was like an entire five track EP. Were you in the room when they listened or no? I don't remember, but I did like hand write all the lyrics

and like, it was like honestly awesome and I think I've never given a gift like that again because I was so burned by like the relationship. I'm like, fuck that, I'll never do that again, bye. How long after did you break up? Like two and a half years later or something like that. Yeah. It was crazy.

You would never release one of those songs? They're not good enough. Okay. Okay, you sleep at each other's houses multiple times a week. Apparently, I can't stop saying apparently because I've been in all these fucking situations. And like... I don't think so. I think that's like...

That's... I mean, I guess it's kind of casual. No. Like three plus times, it's not casual. Yeah, three plus. Two times is like fine, what the fuck ever. Like a Friday and like a booty call on like a Tuesday, fine. Do you feel like you're usually in the position where the person you're seeing is in the power position or are you in the, I'm getting a little bit of a vibe here,

Chappell, that maybe you're not. Not in power? Yeah. Yes, because I've been in the past desperate for companionship, so I will go along with what they want. Relatable. And will give up like basically my values. And yeah, I would just give away my,

I throw away my personality because I don't wanna be lonely. And then I get mad at them for like, being like this is casual, whatever, you know? And I'm like, but I threw away my entire personality for this, like, I gave up my weekends for this. Like, you know what I mean? And that's why I'm like bitter about it.

But honestly, yeah, it's like, next question. I just want you to know that that clip is going to replay in people's mind because that is the most relatable fucking thing anyone has ever said sitting in that fucking chair because I have done the same fucking thing. And it's never worth it. Never. And the thing is like all the people that I threw my entire life away,

my self-respect, like I disregarded all my friends, I disregarded all like my gut feelings, I disregarded. You know what? It never fucking works out. Ever. It never works out. Anyone you have to throw anything away for, it never works out. Or you get married and then you get divorced. And you think that'll get better when you get married, but it never does and only gets worse. Yeah, rewind to your friends having fucking kids. You said they're in hell. But they're in hell because they love their kids.

Ha ha ha ha. Have your friends ever successfully set you up with someone? No. I'm hard, I'm hard. What? Wait, yes. Oh my God. Yeah, I dated someone for a year because my friends set me up. Bad or good decision? I mean, the whole thing was casual,

but we dated for a year. That's why I'm saying on this stupid shit. Fuck. Yeah, but this is life. Are you kidding me? I've been fucking dragged through the mud by a man and I'm just like, but I still love you. And it's like dumb bitch.

He is literally giving you every fucking sign and more. And you're still like, I'm just reading into it wrong. He didn't mean that, yeah he did. You're like, I see the best in them. It's like, no you didn't, stop. Stop, stop, you're disgusting. I look back at myself, I'm like, you need to be done. Go fucking celibate.

You didn't know. I know, it's so fucking sad. Are you a good wing woman? Like in the sense of? Helping your friends find people? No. No, okay. I don't wanna try.

I don't try. I don't wanna ever set anyone up. I think people should be single. Okay. I'm assuming you're single right now. Imagine you're like, I'm actually so in love. Imagine you fucking look at me and you go, two years in, babe. Never been better.

Wait, are you single? No. You're fucking lying. We are you single? No. You're fucking lying. No, you're lying. You're fucking lying to me right now. Chapel? how long?

Six months. Is it casual? No. Serious. It's serious. It's serious. How does that make you feel? I'm very in love, but I am pro single.

Everyone should be single. I'm serious. Be single. Stop dating. Be single. Stop dating. Be single. Have a great time alone. Find out for yourself if you can 100% be okay alone before you date.

That's what I found out. I had a great time when I was single. And I know that I will be okay. And now I have an awesome time that I'm with someone. Like, how'd you meet? I'm like rewind, bitch. You can't just drop that I will be okay. And now I have an awesome time that I'm with someone. Like, how'd you meet? I'm like rewind, bitch. You can't just drop that shit and be like, but anyways, be single.

And any next question? I love being single. But you're not. It's awesome. But I, even if I was, I'd be okay. Being single is the most incredible time in your life to actually be so fucking selfish. So that the next time you get into a relationship you know you're like I'm never gonna put up

with this anymore because guess what doing this shit by myself is better so unless you're making my life better fuck right off okay come on what's the question how did you meet their friend but it wasn't a setup okay just like yeah I just like add up. Who made the first move? Me. I'm usually the one to make, like in every circumstance, I make the first move. Can you explain to me how you start

the dating process with someone? Like, are you having to have them come over to your house? Are you going out in public? I haven't dated someone since, like this all like really, really blew up. Yeah. Like before I became I'm I'm dating the same person that I was dating before I got like, they blew up. So I'm not sure how I would do now. I think it would actually be a nightmare. I think I would be like, so fucking single right now. Yeah, because

you're terrified about their intentions. I'm scared. I'm scared. I don't trust... I don't trust anyone. I just think in my head I'm like any new person that I am texting, I'm like I'm assuming they will screenshot this and like send it to someone else. That's like why I can't Feel like I guess we're getting married. No Lucky for you. Yeah, um, how would you describe your type? I Really don't have one. I know everyone said that but Like I don't know. I love I just love

As far as like looks and stuff, I don't like really have a type But I love art girls like weird art girls girls who? Love to read and love to like who are of like very niche Like I probably like a girl that collects things and like is okay with an exotic pet, owned a hamster one time and would own one again, or like doesn't give a fuck about their car, will pick up a worm, is not scared of like bugs and snakes, can get down watching a foreign film,

would be okay like having zero plan. So like, have you ever taken the Enneagram test? I have, and I cannot tell you what my fucking number is because I did it so long ago. I think I'm an eight. Are you gonna walk out on me? I'm an eight. No.

That's rare. I remember taking it, everyone thought I was gonna be a two. What the fuck is a two? And you're an eight? I'm an eight. That's iconic. Do you like me more now? I am. You're gonna say you love me.

Yeah, we're both eights. What is that mean? I like a seven. A seven is someone who's like the enthusiast. Like someone who's just like, woo, party. I just wanna have a good time. Maybe that's what I am, the enthusiast? What's Nate called? The challenger.

I'm the challenger. That's me. Dude, that's me, what the fuck? That's cool. That's why I'm like pointing at people on the red carpet. I'm like the challenger. Okay, good to know. What is the boldest thing you've ever done

to shoot your shot with someone? Send a nude, I guess. I don't know. Just like we'll be talking like regular and I'll be like that was one time. Another time. Oh, this was so... This was so fucking stupid. This was so fucked. This was so fucking stupid. I do not think, I'm actually not proud of this. Ex-boyfriend's at the club. I'm at the club. I see him hitting on this girl.

And I'm like, why the fuck is he doing this in front of me? This is evil. Like, we're both single at this point, so whatever. He goes to the bathroom. I go up to this girl. I'm like, I think you're so pretty. And then I steal her. And then at the end of the night, we were just making out

and he's just standing there. That's weaponizing gay. No. Actually. Chapel, that is. That's called being evil. And it's like, I was so fucked up. I was on multiple drugs. So was that girl. He I don't even know what he's on. Like, and that girl like, her

name was something crazy. It was like Prince Lee or something. Like, I was crazy. Were you even into her? Yeah, she was so pretty. Then I threw up outside and I was like, actually, this is so dumb. What am I doing? Did you wake up the next morning with the scaries or were you like, victory? I was just like, yeah, shame on you.

You weaponized gay. I will never do that again. Okay, but it made for a good fucking story on Call Her Daddy. Do you have any immediate deal breakers? Car shit. Yeah, you really, this car shit is not. Something happened to me, I don't know. What the fuck? Something happened to me.

Jesus. Bad breath. Chewing what their mouth open is gray gray. People who are, who like don't tip. Oh my God. That freaks me out. Or if they treat their waiter bad, I will never talk to them the same.

I feel like people always, whenever people are like, oh, that's obvious, but I'm like, no, but I feel like when it's rare, but when it happens, it is so fucking crazy and you sit there and you're clenching your body. You hear about this in the movies and it's fucking happening in front of my eyes. Get the fuck out of here, you freak. I don't like that. I don't like when they talk about their exes badly or the women in their family badly.

I don't date men anymore, but that was a common thing. It was like talking shit about their mom, about their sister. Yeah, dude. It's like I'm sensitive to smells, though. But I'm thinking about immediate deal breakers. I don't know, dude. Like, I think their music tastes as a lot.

What would turn you off? Like if someone doesn't like Beyonce, I'm like, that says a lot more than what I need. You know what I mean? Is there anything they could be into that you're like, no. You're like, you can't say that. I can't say that. I can't say that. Okay, let's talk about your new song,

The Giver, what is the story behind it? Well, I was just, God, I'm so annoyed with literally just I'm so annoyed with literally just the boys when I grew up, where I grew up, like just like literally talking about having sex with these girls and how like the girls loved it so much. And like, I think about me and how performative I was and like how actually like,

when I started having sex with women I didn't really even know what to do because I was so used to performing like everything just like so performative and and I think about hooking up with women compared to men and like how much women give to their partner instead of with men. Obviously I was dating some not awesome people, but the common denominator was they could not get it through their head, what they're doing wasn't right.

And even if I was being like, I don't think that feels good, they were still doing it. But at that point it's on meets, like bitch just break up, what is wrong with you? But the fact that I have dated so many guys who do it wrong and don't really, they haven't figured out that they need to do better, that they need to give more, the giver.

What I'm saying in the song is these country boys are not gonna give you what you need if you want to have an orgasm, which a lot of ladies don't apparently. No, no, I didn't. I didn't care about it. My whole life. Obviously. Until I met women. And so it was like such a like holy fuck. I'm gonna write The Giver about showing that actually sex should be a giving experience. And it's, of course, we love the kinky girls. Of course, we love the doms.

We love the subs, like love. But there's still a give and there's still a giving, whatever. So I wrote The Giver about that. Just about like, I think specifically in femme relationships, it's such an understanding that it is so a giving give. It's mutual.

It's yeah, and I just feel like when I was with men, it wasn't mutual. I'm like, how did you date me for four years and you weren't concerned that I did an orgasm not once? Again, it's on me. Like, boo boo, you decided to stay in that relationship. But it's like, if I could not get my girlfriend there, I would do everything.

I would do anything, however long. I don't care. I would do anything. Why did they not do anything? Why didn't they want to do anything? Why didn't they wanna do everything for me? We just start crying. I'd do everything for my girlfriend, you know?

No, it's so fucking sad. I was in the same position. I stayed in a relationship and I literally would just lay there and be like, I think he actually thinks he's hitting the clit. And like, he's at like the bottom of my labia. But do you tell him to go up? I in moments would, but I would find like,

it's fucking hard, cause then they shut down and then they're like, And then they're like, and then it's like, Oh my God, I'm so sorry. Like your little fucking ego, you piece of shit. But no, then you're just like Jesus Christ. And then you're like, I literally would like go in the shower and just fucking master me.

Like God bless me in America. Fuck. But then eventually I started to get fucking vocal towards the end of like, if you can't fucking find it in 30 minutes, this is, I gotta go. Yeah, then it is kind of on you. When I started hooking up with women,

I realized how easy it is actually. Thank you. I realized how easy it is to eat a girl out and how this whole time I thought it was, your neck hurts so bad. I, oh, it's like hard, my jaw hurts. You know what's hard? Sucking dick. Eating a girl out, you can lay down.

It's actually... I was fooled. I was foolish to think that, of course it wasn't as hard of what I was doing for them. Of course it wasn't. That's why I would never do anal because I was like, then let me peg you. They would be like, oh, no way.

Why not? We just try, let me peg you. And then we can, maybe we'll try. Right, like let's, uno reverse. We both, if you wanna do it, I wanna do it. And then they're like, no, no, babe, babe, I, I, what? That's one thing that we both have.

We both have that type. We both have that whole figure it out. But when I started hooking up with women, I was like, fuck you guys. This is one, enjoyable, first of all. Finally. Second of all, way, way easier. It's actually fucking crazy.

It's actually fucking crazy. So what, you can't find the clip. Work harder. It may take 10 minutes longer. That's fine. I was always confused why my boyfriends didn't want to go down like because they're so fucking selfish. Is that what it is? Or do you think that do you think that men don't actually like vulvas? I think they do. You think they do like them? I think they do.

I think they're terrified of their masculinity being threatened if they don't really know what to do because they're so fucking dumb. So then they just are like, I guess it's different with certain men. Have you hooked up with a woman? No, should I? Yeah, first of all, yes.

Not? But like, sorry to cut you off. No, I I? Yeah, first of all, yes. Matt? But like, sorry to cut you off. No, I'm just saying, I think that there's a different level of men depending on how fucking toxic masculinity they're working with. Because I think some men are just like, I'm not fucking doing that. Then other men are like, I really want to try,

but then they need to be taught, but their ego has to be intact for them to be taught. And then they can be taught. Trust me, they can be taught. Sucking dick. You only do one thing. Sometimes you can get crazy. But really, it's only one type of motion. Volvas are so different and so intricate that it's hard. It's harder to find a clitoris and do exactly what someone with a clitoris likes than sucking a dick. That's completely fair. Cause it's like you have to also stay at the certain pace.

If they're gonna like, it's a whole. Yeah, like it is a lot more complicated, but like, I am just confused why like, I'm just confused. You know what, I'm confused by myself for staying and settling. I think that's fair. I think a lot of people are.

Do you like to give first or receive first and with your partner? Give first. Okay, PDA or keep first in with your partner? Give first. Okay. PDA or keep it private? Don't fucking do that. Don't actually legit don't. I just got like really stressed out.

FaceTimes or phone calls? I like both. I like both. A lot of like, I feel like a lot of Gen Z is just FaceTime instead of call, but like I like both. Yeah, depending on the vibe. Late night or morning sex? Late night.

Late night. Make the first move or be pursued? Make the first move. Back in the day, drunk sex or high sex? God, both are awesome. But I probably high sex now. Yeah, agree. Wand or rabbit? What is your favorite? I guess wand. Or like the little, the rose thing, but it's not the rose. Have you tried the one that like pulsates and it's like the womanizer thing? Yes! Like I just like go like, I'm gonna go with the rose. I'm gonna go with the rose.

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I'm gonna go with the rose. I'm gonna go with the rose. I'm gonna go with the rose. I'm gonna go with the rose. I'm gonna go with the rose., but it's not the rose. Have you tried the one that like pulsates and it's like the womanizer thing? Yes! It kind of just like pulsates on your clit. It's the best fucking thing ever. Yes.

I use it like every time I have sex. Work. That is like what is also so different about, for me, it's like, for some reason, a lot of men that I've been with, I've been really uncomfortable with me using toys, For me, it's like, for some reason, a lot of men that I've been with have been really uncomfortable with me using toys, but I think it's a given with a lot of gay sex,

so it's kind of awesome that that's not even an issue. I think that every single person should be able to bring toys into the bedroom, and if your partner doesn't let you, he's a little fuckin' bitch boy. Okay, I promise, wrapping up, just a couple more questions. I want to just talk to you about, obviously your career has been fucking insane this year. Like, I don't even have words to describe it and with so much of that comes like what we've been, we were talking about earlier of just like

pressures and things that you don't know how to handle. Like have any female artists in the industry ever reached out to you to offer support in all of this? Yeah, like almost every girl. Wow. Yeah, it's really awesome.. It's like everything is going to change, and everything is going to hurt and everything is going to be uncomfortable now. And that like, there is a way to make life bearable again. And just like, Katy Perry literally was so straight up. She was like, just don't read the comments. Good night. And she like, when she came up to me at Brad's,

at Sweat Tour, she was like, just don't read the comments, honey. Bye bye. And she's like, hopped off. And I was like, actually, yeah. like, yeah, why am I doing this myself? And she is so like. These women have fucking done it like and are still doing it. And the way they're still doing it is.

By ultimate protection. And another, I mean. The best piece of advice was spend more than you're comfortable with on security. That's the thing you don't realize. You don't realize how many people are watching you when you don't realize they are. Like, everyone wants, some people want me dead. Like, it's crazy. People know everything about me. People know my flight numbers. People know everything. That was the crazy part.

It happened literally overnight. Like I landed, like everything was normal, did Govball, it was fine. I was walking around New York. I was getting stopped, you know, like, oh my God, love you, la la la. And I was like, oh, thank you. He he he then I do Fallon fly back the next day from Fallon land at the airport There is someone waiting for me at my gate and this has never happened before and I was like, oh

What I was like, how did you get in here? And like they have like my album and stuff and they had bought a ticket to get through TSA just to get to my gate. And then like when I got to baggage claim, there were five people waiting. So literally overnight and then it like happened so much after that and it like stuff has been happening like that sense. The feeling of being watched is the weirdest fucking thing. I get why it's addictive though. It's addictive. It's addictive to walk in and know that everyone's looking at you. And that everyone's saying that's addictive. Fame is so addictive. I get it. I get why people want this forever.

Do you have moments where you're like, holy shit, am I too in it right now? Do you ever have moments where you try to pull back, whether it's like, I need to pull back on public appearances a little bit, I need to fucking be in a reality for just a little bit more before I push myself back into it?

Well, that's why I do like stuff like this, cause it's fun. Yeah. Doing stuff that's soul sucking is actually where I lose myself. Yeah. So if I'm like, I can do my job, but as long as it's fun,

then I feel like I haven't lost myself. But what feels like I'm too in it is when I start caring about numbers, when I start caring about charts, when I start caring about checks, when I start caring about charts, when I start caring about checks, when I start caring about like, well, what is she doing? Oh, she's doing that much touring? Okay, let's add some more.

It's like, that's when I'm not in reality anymore because like, actually the only thing that matters is like I go out on stage and like make like me smile and then some other people smile and then I get off stage and pay my rent and that's it. Tell me if you have to in just like one of the accomplishments or just a moment from this past year that you're the most proud of.

I mean, the VMAs were so awesome. I had a great time. I had a great time at the Grammys. Like, I think I'm real- what I'm really- what I'm actually most proud of myself for is like, dang, I didn't- I didn't bend at the knee. I did not kiss the ring. That's actually what I think I'm the most proud- I did not do like- I did not jump through the hoops that I was told I had to to get a fucking Grammy or like I did not have to kiss the ring of what- whoever. Like I just- whoever like I just You either like me as I am or don't invite me to a party or don't invite me to an award show or don't

Expect me to like I Don't know I I'm very I'm most proud of myself For doing what makes me feel like a good person over what is the most, how can I get the most money? You know, like I turn, I just wanna feel like a good person. I don't care about anything else in this world. Like that's my deepest fear of all time in my heart of hearts. My deepest fear is feeling a bad person and doing everything I can to be a good person and then still realizing

I'm actually bad. But that's some Christian guilt there. Dude growing up Catholic I was like, you can't you can't shake it. It's fucking hard. Favorite song to perform? That's fucking hard. Favorite song to perform? I like Mykika's Karma. Love. Who is your dream artist to collaborate with? SZA. Fuck, that would be good.

You started off 2025 winning a Grammy. Can you tease anything else to the daddy gang of what is to come this year? Oh, The Giver is not the only song, I will say that. And girl, you know I'm gonna be coming out with looks for the festivals. Chappellrone, thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. Thank you for having me.

This is such an honor, you blew me away. Like one of the best interviews ever. You're fucking insane. No, you're insane. Like, no, and you are, you are. And good vibes, thank you. I like your questions.